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Stephen, Working for some companies that wouldn't foot the bill for me to attend over the past 16 years ... My last employer (EDS) and I had worked out a deal where I paid for the conference and they paid for my time off as training days so I didn't have to take vacation to go to conferences. It is not ideal, but it got me out the door. I did get them to pay for a couple of inexpensive local things, but conferences that required travel and hotel were on my own nickel. EDS just didn't have much of a training budget anymore when I was there. Now that I'm back to independent status again, my conference budget it back at its former level of importance, but certainly I don't have a lot of cash to spare at the moment. We are still building our house! Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ok Kris, so where's the link to the pictures of the project in it's current state? Do you have a webcam up on the property? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:04 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: FoxForward -- thanks Stephen, Working for some companies that wouldn't foot the bill for me to attend over the past 16 years ... My last employer (EDS) and I had worked out a deal where I paid for the conference and they paid for my time off as training days so I didn't have to take vacation to go to conferences. It is not ideal, but it got me out the door. I did get them to pay for a couple of inexpensive local things, but conferences that required travel and hotel were on my own nickel. EDS just didn't have much of a training budget anymore when I was there. Now that I'm back to independent status again, my conference budget it back at its former level of importance, but certainly I don't have a lot of cash to spare at the moment. We are still building our house! Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Kristyne McDaniel wrote: My last employer (EDS) and I had worked out a deal where I paid for the conference and they paid for my time off as training days so I didn't have to take vacation to go to conferences. It is not ideal, but it got me out the door. I did get them to pay for a couple of inexpensive local things, but conferences that required travel and hotel were on my own nickel. EDS just didn't have much of a training budget anymore when I was there. Now that I'm back to independent status again, my conference budget it back at its former level of importance, but certainly I don't have a lot of cash to spare at the moment. We are still building our house! I wasn't aware that you were independent again...when did you leave EDS? That was what...a 2-3 year run for you? Time flies... -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael, I wasn't aware that you were independent again...when did you leave EDS? That was what...a 2-3 year run for you? Time flies... Yes, it has been in the plans for the last 9 months or so. All the programming jobs in the entire division where I work got shipped out of country, and I decided it was time to go ahead and let myself be laid off rather than to attempt to transfer to a different group within EDS. I finished up on 9/15. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Kristyne's house (was RE: FoxForward -- thanks)
John, Ok Kris, so where's the link to the pictures of the project in it's current state? Do you have a webcam up on the property? Good question. We have a few photos up, but there's a couple hundred more to post that aren't there yet. I was working excessive hours until 9/15, then went to a conference last week to kick off my new start as an independent, and am transferring files to a new computer right now. I should finally have all the photos up in the next day or two. The link to the ones that are there and the new ones that will be coming up is www.shamrocktrails.com/ranch/house/ Right now, we have all the basement walls up but the framing hasn't started yet. There is one more grout pour on the block wall remaining, and a section of wall has to be cut back that was built too far forward by 6. We should be framing finally next week. The house is a 2 1/2 story Lindal cedar home with a basement. And the seismic requirements for the basement were interesting to say the least. :-) I haven't put up a webcam yet. The thing that is stopping me is getting continuous power to it for a reasonable price since the home site is 300' from our camp site. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Kristyne McDaniel wrote: Yes, it has been in the plans for the last 9 months or so. All the programming jobs in the entire division where I work got shipped out of country, and I decided it was time to go ahead and let myself be laid off rather than to attempt to transfer to a different group within EDS. I finished up on 9/15. You were doing VFP/Fox work, right? Any idea which country took away your jobs? My guess: India. Sometimes when you're laid off and your job is eliminated via shipped out of country, you're eligible for retraining on the company or govt's expense. I'd take advantage of that if I were you...when again will you ever get free job re-training? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Kristyne's house (was RE: FoxForward -- thanks)
= -Original Message- = From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel = Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:55 = To: 'ProFox Email List' = Subject: [OT] Kristyne's house (was RE: FoxForward -- thanks) = = John, = = Ok Kris, so where's the link to the pictures of the = project in it's = current state? Do you have a webcam up on the property? = = Good question. We have a few photos up, but there's a couple = hundred more to post that aren't there yet. I was working = excessive hours until 9/15, then went to a conference last = week to kick off my new start as an independent, and am = transferring files to a new computer right now. I should = finally have all the photos up in the next day or two. The = link to the ones that are there and the new ones that will = be coming up is www.shamrocktrails.com/ranch/house/ = = Right now, we have all the basement walls up but the framing = hasn't started yet. There is one more grout pour on the = block wall remaining, and a section of wall has to be cut = back that was built too far forward by 6. We should be = framing finally next week. = = The house is a 2 1/2 story Lindal cedar home with a = basement. And the seismic requirements for the basement were = interesting to say the least. :-) = = I haven't put up a webcam yet. The thing that is stopping me = is getting continuous power to it for a reasonable price = since the home site is 300' = from our camp site. = = Kristyne McDaniel Kris is a free woman again! Good luck, Kris! About the power, won't you need power to do the framing (air compressor) or are you going to use a generator? Even having the cam up 6 hours a day would be very kewl. But you have a lot on your plate so do what is best for you. Don't put up the camera just for our benefit. We will make do with what we have and continue or miserable uneventful boring lives, setting properties and writing queries etc. etc. HALinNY ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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MB Software Solutions wrote: You were doing VFP/Fox work, right? Any idea which country took away your jobs? My guess: India. I thought it was an American company that took her work away. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/456 - Release Date: 9/25/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Michael, You were doing VFP/Fox work, right? Any idea which country took away your jobs? My guess: India. I was doing VFP/ASP/etc. work. Lots of system support, web back end stuff, and a good share of VFP as well. Lots of VFP middle tier work. Any retraining I do comes out of my severance so rather than go through a government or company program I'm paying for stuff out of pocket. That's where the conference last week came in and the class I took last week as well. I'm going into energy consulting and internet marketing in addition to custom software development. I have a degree in mechanical engineering in the HVAC discipline, but haven't worked in the area since my days at General Dynamics doing thermal calculations for rockets and satellites. So I decided that California's Title 24 market had a Kris-shaped hole in it and am taking training classes so I can get into that area. It looks good so far. I will still be using VFP to support my energy calculations, of course. :-) Also, I will be at SWFox as a vendor next month. More coming on that in a couple of days! ;-) I could not make it to FoxForward because my 9/15 end date was too close to the conference date. I was delivering a bridge software project and was working ridiculous hours right up until the last minute. I had no idea whether I could make it or not so I just didn't try to schedule either conference until I actually left EDS. Now that I am gone and am almost caught up on sleep, I can say I wish I had been able to make it to FoxForward, and that I'm looking forward to SWFox next month!! Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Kristyne's house (was RE: FoxForward -- thanks)
We always suspected that about you. We will make do with what we have and continue or miserable uneventful boring lives... ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Stephen Michael, You were doing VFP/Fox work, right? Any idea which country took away your jobs? My guess: India. I thought it was an American company that took her work away. All those jobs going out of country are being SENT there by American companies. No Indian company is able to come here and grab them without help. I've known about the move for a long time. Sure, it bugs me. But it was not a surprise. EDS let us have all kinds of warning so we could prepare. No job is forever. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Kristyne's house (was RE: FoxForward -- thanks)
Wow, Kristyne, the house is beautiful! Great job! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I want to emphasize what kris is stating here. The majority of work going overseas is to AMERICAN companies that are footing the bill and reaping the profit by paying sweatshop wages to overseas workers at the expense of our economy. In time we will see just how devastating this ME ONLY attitude is to our economy. Virgil Bierschwale Armstrong and Skipper Real Estate (830) 329-6774 Cell (830) 864-4726 Home (830) 864-4799 Fax http://www.geocities.com/vbierschwale/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:29 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: FoxForward -- thanks Stephen Michael, You were doing VFP/Fox work, right? Any idea which country took away your jobs? My guess: India. I thought it was an American company that took her work away. All those jobs going out of country are being SENT there by American companies. No Indian company is able to come here and grab them without help. I've known about the move for a long time. Sure, it bugs me. But it was not a surprise. EDS let us have all kinds of warning so we could prepare. No job is forever. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Kristyne's house (was RE: FoxForward -- thanks)
Vince, Wow, Kristyne, the house is beautiful! Great job! Now all I have to do is continue to make enough money to be able to keep it. :-) All the plans are in place but you know how these things go. Anything could happen. Steve and I bit off a lot when we decided to go for a Lindal house on 20 acres of land. Our last house was easily affordable. This one is a whole ~nother story. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Kristyne McDaniel wrote: All those jobs going out of country are being SENT there by American companies. No Indian company is able to come here and grab them without help. Let me be clear: I don't blame our foreign brothers/sisters at allthey're offering their services, just like I would. What I despise is the American corporate culture that is so short-sighted and is selling us out for a quick next quarter profit blip but without (much) regard for the future. I've known about the move for a long time. Sure, it bugs me. But it was not a surprise. EDS let us have all kinds of warning so we could prepare. No job is forever. Isn't that the truth! Retraining for me would be going back to school to become a teacher. That's a job (if you're in the right school district) that has the best chance of longevity of many of them, imo. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Kristyne McDaniel wrote: I'm going into energy consulting and internet marketing in addition to custom software development. I have a degree in mechanical engineering in the HVAC discipline, but haven't worked in the area since my days at General Dynamics doing thermal calculations for rockets and satellites. So I decided that California's Title 24 market had a Kris-shaped hole in it and am taking training classes so I can get into that area. It looks good so far. I will still be using VFP to support my energy calculations, of course. :-) Good luck in those endeavors! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Loyalty from a company is just a fading memory. To think that they would sell out Americans for a few extra dollars (and the long-term profitability is still suspect) is disgusting. Just as I'm trying to promote the Citgo boycott, there should be other companies that should also be boycotted. I wonder if anyone's compiled a list of the biggest offenders. I suspect Dell would be one of them. --- Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to emphasize what kris is stating here. The majority of work going overseas is to AMERICAN companies that are footing the bill and reaping the profit by paying sweatshop wages to overseas workers at the expense of our economy. In time we will see just how devastating this ME ONLY attitude is to our economy. Virgil Bierschwale Armstrong and Skipper Real Estate (830) 329-6774 Cell (830) 864-4726 Home (830) 864-4799 Fax http://www.geocities.com/vbierschwale/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:29 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: FoxForward -- thanks Stephen Michael, You were doing VFP/Fox work, right? Any idea which country took away your jobs? My guess: India. I thought it was an American company that took her work away. All those jobs going out of country are being SENT there by American companies. No Indian company is able to come here and grab them without help. I've known about the move for a long time. Sure, it bugs me. But it was not a surprise. EDS let us have all kinds of warning so we could prepare. No job is forever. Kristyne McDaniel www.mcstyles.com www.shamrocktrails.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [OT] Kristyne's house (was RE: FoxForward -- thanks)
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Kristyne said: Let me be clear: I don't blame our foreign brothers/sisters at allthey're offering their services, just like I would... Companies offshore work or it works the other way round and they keep salries down by convincing government there's a skills shortage - In the UK 24,000 IT work permits were issued last year and pay data also shows that 66 per cent of IT work permit holders are paid less than the equivalent of £30,000 per year. Given that the average salary of an IT professional is £32,500 in the UK... Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ** ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[NF] Offshoring (was Re: FoxForward -- thanks)
Andy Davies wrote: Kristyne said: Let me be clear: I don't blame our foreign brothers/sisters at allthey're offering their services, just like I would... Well, to be clear, I said thatnot Kristyne. Companies offshore work or it works the other way round and they keep salries down by convincing government there's a skills shortage - In the UK 24,000 IT work permits were issued last year and pay data also shows that 66 per cent of IT work permit holders are paid less than the equivalent of £30,000 per year. Given that the average salary of an IT professional is £32,500 in the UK... Oh yeah...supply and demand indirectlythey open up the supply and hence lower the demand. But, we're getting quickly off topicso I'll at least change this to [NF]. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ed Leafe wrote: On Sep 18, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: I went to the UT game and watched a tough fight and loss. : ( Otherwise I could have had a few Dr. Peppers for my friends. Good thing you weren't there, then. The restaurant we went to that night was filled with Florida fans who got so loud when their team did well that it kept us from having continuous conversations! Well my tickets for this game were in the visitor corner so I guess I did experience it. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I wholly concur, Michael. Good sessions, great networking and I learned a lot. Actually, it was the best conference food I've experienced in quite some time (I go to six or seven national conferences each year). Our company was a sponsor, and we'd be glad to do that again. Dave Dave Bernard, MCSD, MCDBA The Intellection Group, Inc. http://www.IntellectionGroup.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FoxForward -- thanks I wanted to just say that I had a great time at FoxForward this year. It was great meeting all of you and seeing familiar faces again. Kevin did a great job and I look forward to next year's event! Kevin -- if you had a mailing list set up for FF attendees, please pass this on to them! Thanks, --Michael -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Thank you for the kind words. My board of directors helped me out immensely, both in advice and with hard labor. Without my family's support, everything would have been a mess, no doubt. Without the speakers there would have been no 'value' in the conference. Michael, I'd like to thank you, and all of the other speakers that took time out of their busy lives to prepare their presentation, travel to Alpharetta, and to give so much to the attendees. The brain power at the conference is humbling ... and inspiring at the same time. I had an absolute blast! Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net MB Software Solutions wrote: I wanted to just say that I had a great time at FoxForward this year. It was great meeting all of you and seeing familiar faces again. Kevin did a great job and I look forward to next year's event! Kevin -- if you had a mailing list set up for FF attendees, please pass this on to them! Thanks, --Michael ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Kevin, Will the course material/notes be available for Purchase in any way once it has been produced or will that only be for attendees? Unfortunately, I wasn't able to come over as I was in Prague, but I'd be more than happy to pay for the content to swell the FoxForward funds for next year and if the dates are OK then maybe I'll even be able to attend. Dave Crozier The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly, and to lie about your age -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: 18 September 2006 14:49 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks Thank you for the kind words. My board of directors helped me out immensely, both in advice and with hard labor. Without my family's support, everything would have been a mess, no doubt. Without the speakers there would have been no 'value' in the conference. Michael, I'd like to thank you, and all of the other speakers that took time out of their busy lives to prepare their presentation, travel to Alpharetta, and to give so much to the attendees. The brain power at the conference is humbling ... and inspiring at the same time. I had an absolute blast! Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net MB Software Solutions wrote: I wanted to just say that I had a great time at FoxForward this year. It was great meeting all of you and seeing familiar faces again. Kevin did a great job and I look forward to next year's event! Kevin -- if you had a mailing list set up for FF attendees, please pass this on to them! Thanks, --Michael [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 18, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: Without the speakers there would have been no 'value' in the conference. Michael, I'd like to thank you, and all of the other speakers that took time out of their busy lives to prepare their presentation, travel to Alpharetta, and to give so much to the attendees. The brain power at the conference is humbling ... and inspiring at the same time. I had an absolute blast! I certainly enjoyed myself, and you were a great host. I got to see a bunch of old friends, and definitely made some new ones. I think since Fox has been around for so long we are used to seeing the same big name speakers all the time, but I think some of the more interesting sessions were the ones done by the first-timers. Here's to FoxForward - forward! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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The lack of a watering hole (without having to drive or walk) was a slight inconvenience to me, even though I'm local. We managed to get sizable groups to go to places nearby pretty easily, although the groups might have been a bit larger if no driving was required. Craig, Bo and I even went out for a bucket of beers at a really cool blues joint after dinner Saturday night, and didn't discuss word one of technology! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Allen wrote: I think one of the biggest draws to a conference is to meet like minded people. The actual content is second to that. Just my opinion. The sessions are to my mind the start of the thought process that needs to be continued using material from the sessions. Otherwise its too much to take in. Exactly. That's why the lack of a central 'watering hole' hangout was the most serious shortcoming. Even if you weren't a drinker, being able to hang out together and socialize in the evening hours is valuable, and that represents some of my best memories at conferences. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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This is similar to the Prague experience. But our little group met up at various food places in the evening and had a good time. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Bernard Sent: 18 September 2006 20:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FoxForward -- thanks The lack of a watering hole (without having to drive or walk) was a slight inconvenience to me, even though I'm local. We managed to get sizable groups to go to places nearby pretty easily, although the groups might have been a bit larger if no driving was required. Craig, Bo and I even went out for a bucket of beers at a really cool blues joint after dinner Saturday night, and didn't discuss word one of technology! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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-Original Message- From: Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Allen wrote: I think one of the biggest draws to a conference is to meet like minded people. The actual content is second to that. Just my opinion. The sessions are to my mind the start of the thought process that needs to be continued using material from the sessions. Otherwise its too much to take in. Exactly. That's why the lack of a central 'watering hole' hangout was the most serious shortcoming. Even if you weren't a drinker, being able to hang out together and socialize in the evening hours is valuable, and that represents some of my best memories at conferences. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com HERE HERE!!! I don't want to go to the same place to eat each night. I'd like to go to an establishment that is not a chain local to me. I don't want to sit next to the same group of developers each night. I want to hear what others are doing; give and get feed back on these things. Little tid-bits of a conversation have stuck with me, and ended up in code 3 or even 4 months later. (wish I could remember the name of that face that said that...) I had a lot of fun, talked with people I've never met before. Got some ideas from the sessions, materials, and conversations outside the hotel. Craig Boyd told me to start a blog (well suggested). So I'm working on getting WordPress up and running on the user group site to blog from there. When I get the code pastes to look right, I'll come back and give the link. For those presenters that need to change the font sizes quickly: *-- The following sets the font to Lucida Console 10pt Local laEnv[25] Set Library To (Sys(2004) + FoxTools.fll) Additive _EdGetEnv(_WOnTop(),@laEnv) laEnv[22] = Lucida Console laEnv[23] = 10 _EdSetEnv(_WonTop(),@laEnv) Release Library (Sys(2004) + FoxTools.Fll) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Tracy Pearson wrote: For those presenters that need to change the font sizes quickly: *-- The following sets the font to Lucida Console 10pt Local laEnv[25] Set Library To (Sys(2004) + FoxTools.fll) Additive _EdGetEnv(_WOnTop(),@laEnv) laEnv[22] = Lucida Console laEnv[23] = 10 _EdSetEnv(_WonTop(),@laEnv) Release Library (Sys(2004) + FoxTools.Fll) That would be me! Thanks for the tip, Tracy! Good one for a macro or code in the startup.prg file as a menu option. --Michael -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I forgot to give a plug to the restaurants across the street. Definitely within walking distance but most of them are far too small for a group of 20+. A couple had bars but are also small. A couple had outdoor seating, but again small places. Kim and I were talking that if we do this again next year, we'd have a place in mind ahead of time, with printed maps/directions, and phone numbers of local attendees that could help out if attendees get turned around. Live and learn, and learn, and learn. -Kevin Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Dave Bernard wrote: The lack of a watering hole (without having to drive or walk) was a slight inconvenience to me, even though I'm local. We managed to get sizable groups to go to places nearby pretty easily, although the groups might have been a bit larger if no driving was required. Craig, Bo and I even went out for a bucket of beers at a really cool blues joint after dinner Saturday night, and didn't discuss word one of technology! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Allen wrote: I think one of the biggest draws to a conference is to meet like minded people. The actual content is second to that. Just my opinion. The sessions are to my mind the start of the thought process that needs to be continued using material from the sessions. Otherwise its too much to take in. Exactly. That's why the lack of a central 'watering hole' hangout was the most serious shortcoming. Even if you weren't a drinker, being able to hang out together and socialize in the evening hours is valuable, and that represents some of my best memories at conferences. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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-Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks Tracy Pearson wrote: For those presenters that need to change the font sizes quickly: *-- The following sets the font to Lucida Console 10pt Local laEnv[25] Set Library To (Sys(2004) + FoxTools.fll) Additive _EdGetEnv(_WOnTop(),@laEnv) laEnv[22] = Lucida Console laEnv[23] = 10 _EdSetEnv(_WonTop(),@laEnv) Release Library (Sys(2004) + FoxTools.Fll) That would be me! Thanks for the tip, Tracy! Good one for a macro or code in the startup.prg file as a menu option. --Michael This needs to be in a keyboard macro, menu item, or toolbar button It won't help unless the window is currently open. Tracy ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Point taken. Several people mentioned the same thing. When I originally signed the contract, the hotel had that poor excuse of a bar in working order. When I returned for the walk through, they were doing construction. I asked them Will the bar be finished and restocked by the time of our conference in three weeks? They assured me that it would. It wasn't much but it was supposed to be something. The Mariott down the street had much nicer facilities, and a full bar, and a full restaurant right on the premises. They also charged a lot more for the conference space, plus required a lot more for the food minimums, plus required that I guarantee double the hotel rooms, and the rooms were $89 per night (instead of $69). Basically a lot more risk for me when I didn't know what was going to happen. If we do it again, we'll do better in this area. Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Ed Leafe wrote: On Sep 18, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: Kim and I were talking that if we do this again next year, we'd have a place in mind ahead of time, with printed maps/directions, and phone numbers of local attendees that could help out if attendees get turned around. Live and learn, and learn, and learn. Not to be persnickety (now there's a word I don't get to use too often!), but something in the same place as where the attendees are staying is important. People who are going to their first conference might feel out of place and not want to impose on the others, so by having everyone in a central location onsite it will be much more likely that someone will stumble into us and join in the conversation. I enjoyed the conversations I had the two nights I went out with the group, but I missed meeting and talking to those who weren't at my table. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I'm not sure we could afford to fly them down here from Canada. g Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: Yeah, me too. The conference was fun and informative. I'd like to make a recommendation for next year though. We need some entertainment. How about Bare Naked Ladies! John ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I think Ed is talking about how many of the conference hotels had a central bar that was an informal meeting place. People would go out to eat with different groups, but before and after, they would just sit down and introduce themselves or listen to a conversation and jump right in. It was always great to be able to do that, particularly if Ken or YAG or any of the Fox Team happened to be in there, or even the legends like Rick Strahl. The problem with the dinners is that you can never get everyone at the same table, it's too noisy to carry on a discussion, and it just doesn't achieve the same results as having a meeting place in the hotel. John Harvey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:49 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks I forgot to give a plug to the restaurants across the street. Definitely within walking distance but most of them are far too small for a group of 20+. A couple had bars but are also small. A couple had outdoor seating, but again small places. Kim and I were talking that if we do this again next year, we'd have a place in mind ahead of time, with printed maps/directions, and phone numbers of local attendees that could help out if attendees get turned around. Live and learn, and learn, and learn. -Kevin Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Well, don't y'all have ladies in Hotlanta? VBG John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:15 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks I'm not sure we could afford to fly them down here from Canada. g Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: Yeah, me too. The conference was fun and informative. I'd like to make a recommendation for next year though. We need some entertainment. How about Bare Naked Ladies! John [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Yes, but not where you capitalize the first letter of the words. We have bare naked ladies in the city, but we don't often get Bare Naked Ladies. ;) Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: Well, don't y'all have ladies in Hotlanta? VBG John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:15 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks I'm not sure we could afford to fly them down here from Canada. g Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: Yeah, me too. The conference was fun and informative. I'd like to make a recommendation for next year though. We need some entertainment. How about Bare Naked Ladies! John [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Yes, you are right. I did miss Ed's main point. Sorry about that. Even though the hotel bar was under deconstruction, I should have asked someone to bring in drinks. We could have gathered in the common area downstairs where we had the Meet and Greet. By contract, I couldn't have brought in drinks or food, but someone else could have. Next time! Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: I think Ed is talking about how many of the conference hotels had a central bar that was an informal meeting place. People would go out to eat with different groups, but before and after, they would just sit down and introduce themselves or listen to a conversation and jump right in. It was always great to be able to do that, particularly if Ken or YAG or any of the Fox Team happened to be in there, or even the legends like Rick Strahl. The problem with the dinners is that you can never get everyone at the same table, it's too noisy to carry on a discussion, and it just doesn't achieve the same results as having a meeting place in the hotel. John Harvey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:49 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks I forgot to give a plug to the restaurants across the street. Definitely within walking distance but most of them are far too small for a group of 20+. A couple had bars but are also small. A couple had outdoor seating, but again small places. Kim and I were talking that if we do this again next year, we'd have a place in mind ahead of time, with printed maps/directions, and phone numbers of local attendees that could help out if attendees get turned around. Live and learn, and learn, and learn. -Kevin Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Potayto - potahto John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:28 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks Yes, but not where you capitalize the first letter of the words. We have bare naked ladies in the city, but we don't often get Bare Naked Ladies. ;) Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: Well, don't y'all have ladies in Hotlanta? VBG John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:15 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks I'm not sure we could afford to fly them down here from Canada. g Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: Yeah, me too. The conference was fun and informative. I'd like to make a recommendation for next year though. We need some entertainment. How about Bare Naked Ladies! John [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Hi Dave, I believe you are in the minority. In fact I believe most people on this forum are already in the minority just by participating in the online community. It has been estimated that only 10-15% of Fox developers hang out online. Even fewer are attending conferences. My assertion is 50% of conference benefits are the materials presented and 50% is the networking. Granted each developer will vary. There are other factors like costs, location, accessibility, etc. that factors into what draws a person to conferences in general. They likely help determine the location one might select if travel costs are an issue. The number one reason people don't attend conferences is the direct availability of content on the Internet. A distant second is cost. This is based on direct feedback I have received from developers. The facts are plain and simple. Conference attendance has gone down year after year and content on the Internet has gone up. I meet people at every conference who are surprised to learn the networking is such a big benefit. Everyone who attends a conference knows this is a huge benefit. If we use the arguments presented on this thread: it has nothing to do with content . Lets just say it boils down to 100% networking. We make all the content available online. No problem (and in fact I am not totally against this). All that is left for conferences to draw is the networking. Well, all I have to do is turn online. I have ProFox, FoxForum.com, Foxite.com, the UT, Open Tech, Tek Tips, phone numbers and email to my friends, etc. to get all the networking I need. So now conferences have zero draw. They all disappear. Now the community has a gap. Or maybe not! So now we are asking people in the community to spend an enormous amount of time to establish a white paper to post on their web site for all to share. Cool. But I am guessing this will rarely happen because there is no deadline to meet. This is just one possibility. I believe Kevin's asked the most important question: How much would it hurt? Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.rickschummer.com 586.254.2530 - office 586.254.2539 - fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Bernard Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 03:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FoxForward -- thanks I couldn't agree more with Michael about the networking; that's the biggest value for me and our company. No matter the material available via screencast, it wouldn't change my conference plans one nit. -Original Message- Rick Schummer recently blogged about screencasts and how it may actually hurt Fox conferences by removing the need to attend. I see his point. The question is ... how much would it hurt? Perhaps we're worrying about nothing at all? Or could it kill a conference or two? While I can see his point to a degree, I doubt it would kill a conference. The screencasts are nice, but they don't replace the conference experience, and certainly not the networking and comradery (sp?) that happens. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Perhaps we're headed for virtual conferences that are something like a large set of webinars or screencasts that have some kind of interactivity to it. If that happens, I'll just have to create some networking events that feed my need for person-to-person interaction ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks On 9/18/06, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number one reason people don't attend conferences is the direct availability of content on the Internet. A distant second is cost. This is based on direct feedback I have received from developers. The facts are plain and simple. Conference attendance has gone down year after year and content on the Internet has gone up. I meet people at every conference who are surprised to learn the networking is such a big benefit. Everyone who attends a conference knows this is a huge benefit. The numbers just don't bear that out, either in the VFP market (which we know is at best not growing): http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~VFPConferenceAttendance (2005 had the second highest attendance since 1995) Or in other computer conferences. Some go up, some go down, pattern is really hard to discern. Nine-eleven squashed attendance, Katrina did it again. Folks are less inclined to fly into the US. US attendees are less inclined to travel. That internet content goes up while conference attendance goes down is at best a correlation, not a cause-and-effect. I really think that making content available has to be tested to determine if the overal result is good or bad. Folks can show their bosses what can be learned at a conference; the smart ones send their developers; the dumb ones think they don't have to. I agree with you that cost is a factor; I've often heard that cited. But availability of materials I haven't heard. Google can find our white papers whether they're published on individual sites or by the conference attendee (although conference banners would be great to stick in there). I don't think finding the answer you need now to a question on Google has that much to do with whether you choose to attend a conference, but I'd like to see more information on this developed by both sides. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Sep 18, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: Even though the hotel bar was under deconstruction, I should have asked someone to bring in drinks. We could have gathered in the common area downstairs where we had the Meet and Greet. By contract, I couldn't have brought in drinks or food, but someone else could have. Porta Bar! http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~PortaBar~People (somebody needs to update the picture on that page, though!) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Another view here: http://www.ipbartenders.com/php/gallery.php?id=4 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks On Sep 18, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: Even though the hotel bar was under deconstruction, I should have asked someone to bring in drinks. We could have gathered in the common area downstairs where we had the Meet and Greet. By contract, I couldn't have brought in drinks or food, but someone else could have. Porta Bar! http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~PortaBar~People (somebody needs to update the picture on that page, though!) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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John Koziol really wanted to bring one but the attendance numbers of the conference hindered the financial feasibility. g Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Garrett Fitzgerald wrote: What? No PortaBar? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: FoxForward -- thanks
Kevin Cully wrote: John Koziol really wanted to bring one but the attendance numbers of the conference hindered the financial feasibility. g I went to the UT game and watched a tough fight and loss. :( Otherwise I could have had a few Dr. Peppers for my friends. Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 9/18/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: FoxForward -- thanks
MB Software Solutions wrote: I wanted to just say that I had a great time at FoxForward this year. It was great meeting all of you and seeing familiar faces again. Kevin did a great job and I look forward to next year's event! Kevin -- if you had a mailing list set up for FF attendees, please pass this on to them! Thanks, --Michael I had a great time as well! Bill ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: FoxForward -- thanks
On Sep 18, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: I went to the UT game and watched a tough fight and loss. : ( Otherwise I could have had a few Dr. Peppers for my friends. Good thing you weren't there, then. The restaurant we went to that night was filled with Florida fans who got so loud when their team did well that it kept us from having continuous conversations! -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
