Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Antivirus Software Memory Issues
Hello, In my opinion, http://grc.com/su-bondage.htm is a good web-site that goes into exactly what Phillip described. They also test the vulnerability of your computer/network to attacks from the outside. I have used Shields Up to check my computer and the network at work each time I installed or changed network equipment or software. The major topics of this site are; Shields UP! Home, Explain this to Me!, Am I in Danger?, What Can I Do?, Network Bondage, Evil Port Monitors, Personal Firewalls, Further Reading, Public Forum, Be Notified, FAQ, Site Evolution. Cheers! Drew - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Antivirus Software Memory Issues From: Phillip Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Not to start up this thread all over again, but you may find this link also useful in making your system a bit more invisible on the net: http://grc.com/su-bondage.htm ^^^ Can you provide a brief explanation of what the site contains? Our Net Security folks are quite prude about where they allow us to go, and the above title contains one word that will surely trigger the WebCensor. FWIW, a brief explanation might allow those of us who are under such terms of usage to send appropriate email to the local SysAdmin for subsequent cancelation of the automatic webblock for sites containing certain topical words in their definitions...If you know what I mean? Thanks, aj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Design Rules
Howdy, I do not know if any of the higher priced packages accomplish this check. I do know that even Allegro's Autosilk function does not correctly or always prevent text on pads. Valor does check for these violations, though it may not be an economical solution. Cheers! Drew - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Design Rules On 09:17 AM 28/12/2001 -0500, Anthony Whitesell said: Does anyone know if it is possible (or how to) set a design rule to check between the overlay and the soldermask layers? If you place a designator over a pad or via then it does not appear correctly on the finished PCB. I have simplified the solution to check the reference designators versus the [inverted] soldermask of the same side and make sure they don't overlap. I was hoping to automate the process with a design rule. Any ideas? Anthony Whitesell Sunrise Labs Out of luck I think - there is no possibility using the current set of design rules (from memory). I was asked about this some time ago and spent a little time looking at it but I can't even remember where we got to. I know I am still doing it with a visual check so I guess I did not work out a better way. I would certainly like a better solution. A server could be written to do the check but there is absolutely no incentive in writing such servers unless you have lots of free time or your company will pay you to do it. There may be some combination layer colours and Transparent layer colouring that would show up violations clearly but this does not do much for mis-registration (there is no clearance parameter). I know that some of the CAM packages can do an overlay/silkscreen cut to prevent text on pads but I do not know if Camtastic has such a checking function. A design rule would be nice. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PROTEL TO ORCAD CAPTURE
Hello,
Protel exports the older SDT version of OrCAD. More unfortunate is that Protel does
not export the parts you need. Therefore, Protel does not export to OrCAD at all.
When you open an SCH file, OrCAD looks for the SDT.CFG file to find where the parts
are located for the SDT schematics. Without these parts, only the wires make it
through.
You should have an SDT.CFG file in the 'samples' directory of the OrCAD installation.
The process may not be worth your time. However, if you still wish to tackle the
import, I will do what I can and my time allows.
Cheers!
Drew
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Saputelli
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] PROTEL TO ORCAD CAPTURE
Does anyone know if it is possible (and if so how to) send ('export' or
save as) a protel schem to orcad capture
i have orcad 9.2 (and 99SE SP6)
in protel i can do a save as orcad *.sch (not *.dsn)
when i try to open .sch in orcad it complains about missing SDT
WARNING [XLT0012] Unable to load the primary SDT Configuration file:
'N:\V100\V197\164 amp smt\orc-schem\SDT.CFG'.
WARNING [XLT0063] Window's environment variable 'ORCADPROJ' is not
set.
WARNING [XLT0012] Unable to load the primary SDT Configuration file:
'SDT.CFG'.
ERROR [XLT0070] Translation failed.
ERROR [XLT0071] Translation Notice Error(s) encountered. Please check
the Session Log.
this appears to mean that it is looking for earlier orcad files which i
do not have
does this mean that protel cannot export back to a modern version of
orcad?
Dennis Saputelli
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Re: [PEDA] Starting out with Protel99, Questions
Howdy, 1) Is there a standard or rule of thub that can be applied to the seperation for a split plane ? I use a 50mil separation everywhere I can unless there are rails over +/-12. If the difference in voltage of the split planes next to each other is over 25V I try to use a separation of 100mils. This is an imperical method and may not be practical in all applications. 2) For plated pads and vias, is hole size in layout before or after plating. ie if i set hole size to be 50mil, will it compensate for fact hole will be plated and compensate drill size so hole is 50mil after plating? It can. I specify Finished Hole Size in the drill chart on the fab drawing, and I have never had any problems from doing so. If memory serves, the Copper Connection advises against against what I just wrote. 3) Is there a standard or rule of thumb for dimensions of pad in relation to hole size ? From most of the library components I looked at, it seems hole is about 2/3 pad size. I use a pad 20mil over drill (10mil annular) for pins unless otherwise specified or impractical. 4) Is there a standard via size/sizes ? I use an 11mil drill and a 25mil pad due to the board houses my customers use. When I need to get a 5mil trace between the pads of a fine pitch BGA, I use a 24mil pad. 5) For a given size diameter component lead is there a guidline for hole size ? For round leads, I like to use 10mil hole over the lead size. 6) for a component with square pins, .025mil (+- .005) mil on a side, I was going to use pads of diameter 80, hole 52. This sound reasonable. For square leads, I like to use 5 over diagonal. Pythagorean's theorum is a^2 + b^2 = c^2. |\ a| \ | \c | \ - b To find the diagonal of a right triangle, c = square root of (a^2 + b^2). 7) For a thick track, say 30mil to 50mil, is it normal to use multple small vias ? Absolutely. I prefer to use multiple small vias rather than one large via for most designs. Any other pointers welcome. Any help greatly appreciated. To save my customer money in the fabrication of the board, I will combine hole sizes within 2mils of each other, except for press-fit or other critical applications. The aspect ratio of drill hole to board thickness is a very important issue and can greatly affect the cost of the design. A hole size that is ten times smaller than the thickness of the board may affect the cost of the board more than any benefits gained. Try to stay at or under 8:1. Cheers! Drew * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] was multi part and Orcad Capture
Hello, i just bought orcad capture 9.2 to do some work for others and although i don't know the prog very well it does not seem to have the global edit features does anyone know about capture? Yes, (SDT3 - v9.2.1) five years experience... and counting. Cheers! Drew * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] AW: OT: stupid question - AW: --thank you!
Ben and George, I thank you very much for your explanation, and it is much appreciated. I do love the way the German language sounds. I took a few German language classes in high-school, though my knowledge of the language is miserable due to my being the class clown. It never entered my mind to use AV's translator. Thanks again! Cheers! Ðrëw * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] OT: stupid question - AW: --?
Hello, What does the AW: part mean in the topic of an e-mail? Though infrequently, I have seen this used in the subject of some e-mails. Cheers Drew * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Annular Ring question, via question
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** Jeff, I agree with everything John states below. It is well written and good advice. Also consider the smallest drill to board thickness, a.k.a. aspect ratio, that will change the price of building your design at the board house. A related issue is the count of different sized holes made by your design. Cheers! Drew - Original Message - From: John Haddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Annular Ring question, via question Jeff: First step for a question like this should be your board house. They should be able to tell you right off the bat whether there will be any impact on their yield (read: cost to you) with the lower annular ring. Another alternative would be to drop your trace widths and clearances. 9/9 is very generous - most board shops will do at least 8/8 with no cost penalty, while 6/6 is also not unusual for high performance shops without yields suffering (bleeding edge at 4/4 and below is another story...). As an example, one of my local (ordinary quality) board shops has a standard set of design rules (i.e. high yield expectations) that include: 0.15mm (0.006) track width 0.15mm (0.006) tack spacing 0.25mm (0.010) annular ring With this shop, I regularly do 0.175mm (0.007) annular rings (by mutual agreement), and with a consequent yield impact (i.e. I'm happy to pay the extra cost). If you do drop your annular ring below the board shop's accepted standard, then you should restrict the use of these pads/vias to only the locations necessary. The more instances of exceptions to rules that exist on the board, the higher statistical probability of a board failing in mfr. Remember that the principal reason for min. annular ring specifications is to guard against drill breakout. There are alternative design techniques that can allow you to shrink the annular ring, by allowing controlled breakouts (usually on interior layers) without sacrificing board performance. For example, teardropping to a pad provides a guard against breakout on the side of the connection. (If you use this or other techniques you'll need to give your board shop explicit permission to allow breakouts) Hope this helps, John Haddy -Original Message- From: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2001 6:15 AM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Annular Ring question, via question Cheers Protel Group! 1. Since I am using a small via to make routing SMT easier. Small via having a 10 mil dia. annular ring (pad of 31_21). Am I free to reduce the annular ring on other parts without any harm. Specificly, reducing a Pad of 75 with a drill of 43, to a Pad of 61 with a drill of 43? A pad of 61_43 would make a connector much easier to route. Board info: So far I'm trying to keep the PCB at space 9 mil minimum, trace of 9 mil minimum. 2. Will I save money by using a Via of 31_21 only when necessary and using a Via of 50_28 everywhere else. Thanks in advance! Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc Westerville, Ohio, USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Wolfgang Schenke, in memoriam
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** Woe, I found his post mentioning OMNINET from www.rsi-inc.com for Netlist conversion, then I read you acknowledgement of RSI. Now this in all of two minutes. ... I just reread through the past two months of his replies, what a loss for the group... one person does matter. Drew - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: [PEDA] Wolfgang Schenke, in memoriam from the RSI web site: It is with great regret that we must announce the passing of our founder and President, Wolfgang Schenke. I am shocked and saddened. Wolfgang was always helpful, one of the lights of our industry. He was a frequent participant on this list, I had wondered why he had not responded recently. He is missed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Windoze versions compatible with Protel?
*** Todays forums are sponsored by Ian Martin Limited Engineering/Technical Placement Specialists www.ianmartin.com *** rant W2K is the *only* OS that I do not publicly bash, and the only OS I feel that is worth paying for every individual seat. I loved not having to watch system resources while running Protel. At home, I play W98 games with a lot less crashes than my machine had when it ran W98. I regret paying for WinME and it sits on the shelf. Bill bin Laden or Osama bin Gates can take a flyin' leap if he thinks I'm going to put up with Microsoft's XP registration scheme or bail out anyone having problems who is using XP. /rant IMNSHBTAIAIBAO! - this will amuse me through the day I die, aj. Cheers! Drew - Original Message - From: HxEngr To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:56 PM Subject: [PEDA] Windoze versions compatible with Protel? I'm thinking of upgrading my system pretty soon and wondering which Windows version to go with. I know that NT (now 2000) is the approved solution, but that cuts out too much of my legacy hardware and software. I've heard things to indicate that ME is a poor choice - is it any better or worse than 95/98? And has anyone yet had enough experience with XP to give any solid yea or nay for that one? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Allegro Conversion
Ivan, My reply is regarding your experience with eCapture stated in the second to last paragraph of your post included at the end of my e-mail. I come from the extreme sides of both loving and hating OrCAD for what it is. The two and only problems I experience when importing SDT III files into Capture v9.x are because of an incorrect or nonexistent SDT INI file and missing symbols. If you think that my experience or the 'e' version of Capture is your problem and I can help further, I will do one conversion from SDT to 9.2 for free, even if one is all I do. I am experiencing a three month itch, and I want to keep in shape. Cheers! Drew - Original Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Alegro Conversion I have a few thoughts on file conversions that might be of help. Of course, this probably won't help you with your problem now. But going forward into the future, it might. Rule #1: NEVER get rid of your old CAD program software. Keep the original media and make a backup copy every 2-4 years or so. This goes for the OS it runs on, too. Rule #2: If someone wants to clean house and get rid of old software, see rule #1. If your company leases vault space, you might consider putting software in it to prevent it being thrown out. Rule #3: Save some non-native format versions of your CAD files. For example, a Protel SCH should be saved also as a ASCII file, a DXF, and a PDF. That way you can at least print a fresh copy when the old ones have been worn out or lost. Rule #4: For any current (still shipping) designs that you may want to revise, bring your CAD data forward into the latest Protel version. But DO NOT delete your old Protel version CAD files. Rule #5: Make new archival copies of CAD data every 2-4 years on whatever the current media is (yesterday floppies, today CD-R, tomorrow who knows?). Rule #6: Keep a PC that is capable of running those old CAD programs should you need to resort to one. This is easy now since the PC is still king, but when the X86 architecture is left behind, you're going to need that old dinosaur PC. This week I am going through my old designs (some of which date back to 1989) and bringing them forward. It would be much more difficult if I didn't still have those old CAD programs. I tried that eCapture thing to bring Orcad files forward to Orcad DSN format, but never could get it to work. It was easier to use SDT3 itself to make SRC libs to import into Protel v3.X. Then I saved it in Protel 3.X format and imported it into Protel 99SE. Some cleanup was required, but the results were pretty good. Why did Protel not put the ability to import Orcad SDT3 schematics in 99SE; it was in 3.X? Every gizmo you ever design will be a legacy item some day. So, keep all your Protel versions! And other CAD program versions! Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Colin Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Alegro Conversion Folks, What version of Allegro are you trying to convert from? The reason I ask is that we have files in version 8.x from 6 years ago. When I investigated converting these to Protel it didn't appear possible. Cadence themselves could only bring our old version files into their latest version be iterating through every version of software they produced since version 8, one at a time, all separate installations. Needless to say that also required a great deal of sucking up and money to accomplish. We now have a contractor manually convert any old files we need to rework, depending upon the level of changes. Other than that all the legacy files are kept in CAM350 as Gerbers. We did keep the netlists which makes the checking easier when redrawing the schematics into Protel. To summarise, from our investigations, apart from the converter you mention below, I am not aware of any other solutions. Version 2.8 of Protel is the only version RSI seem to support. We have a design from Veribest/Mentor RSI have a translator for, and it too is for version 2.8. At 02:47 PM 15/08/2001 -0700, you wrote: Bob, I don't know what Allegro goes for but the converter I researched was $11,400 to go both ways. Ouch! Jim McGrath CAD Connections Inc. Bob Jones wrote: Hi Jim, I guess nobody cares about your Allegro problems What's cheaper the converter or Allegro? Bob Jones Digitized Technologies 2 Summit Road P.O.Box 7284 Prospect, CT. 06712-1541 Tel: 203-758-6312 Fax: 203-758-3338 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice: This message is intended solely for
Re: [PEDA] MTBF Software
sounds better than RelCalc from www.t-cubed.com which I used at my previous employer. Cheers! Drew - Original Message - From: Brendon Slade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] MTBF Software Not wanting to push any particular product, but my boss has asked me to look into using Relex (www.relexsoftware.com). It appears to have a CAD interface wizard which is what interests me, however I haven't actually put it thru it's paces yet (to weed out the marketing fluff) so I can't comment on that. Unless you order the CD, it's a ~22MB download, so put the jug on. Good luck. Cheers Brendon. - Original Message - From: Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] MTBF Software Do you know of any www links for a starting point to read about this? -Original Message- From: Soren Juel Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2001 4:12 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] MTBF Software -snip- Today you use derating e.g. how much of the max. specification of a device do you use, which is much too large a subject to talk about here. You will have to read about it. Best regards Soren Juel Andersen Vince Vlach wrote: Does anyone know of a MTBF software package that works with Protel data? TIA, Vince Vlach PCB Designer IOtech Inc. 25971 Cannon Road. Cleveland, Ohio 44146 Tel: 440-703-2221 Fax: 440-439-4093 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Annotating Schematic
Hello all, I have a one-page schematic that I created mostly by block copying parts of other 99SE schematics. Some of the reference designators are duplicates, others are new with question marks and so-forth. I have tried to reset designators and then annotate, and I also tried to annotate all. All that happens is that I get a blank report file and none of the designators have changed. If I export the schematic and the library that I created into 98 schematic, the above annotate functions work fine, I then import the schematic back to 99SE and all is well. Is there something that I am doing wrong in 99SE? The above is both with SP5 and SP6. Andrew W. Riley III Talon Instruments 150 East Arrow Highway San Dimas, California 91773 (909) 599-0690 [voice] (909) 599-6529 [fax] www.taloninst.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Annotating Schematic
Mr. Lomax, Yes, it is reproducible. The reset option has no effect. I have tried every option available to me even though it is only one sheet. Drew -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Annotating Schematic At 09:02 AM 2/8/01 -0800, Andrew W. Riley III wrote: I have a one-page schematic that I created mostly by block copying parts of other 99SE schematics. Some of the reference designators are duplicates, others are new with question marks and so-forth. I have tried to reset designators and then annotate, and I also tried to annotate all. All that happens is that I get a blank report file and none of the designators have changed. If I export the schematic and the library that I created into 98 schematic, the above annotate functions work fine, I then import the schematic back to 99SE and all is well. Is there something that I am doing wrong in 99SE? The above is both with SP5 and SP6. If you take the original file and try again, does it fail again? I.e., is it reproducible? If so, does using the reset option have no effect on existing designators? What options are set for the Annotate Tool, including the Advanced tab? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: having W2k installed, can I run...
I have been trying to send this for over four hours. Please accept my apologies if it gets duplicated as our ISP seems to think [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not exist. Robi, Will W2k tolerate modem-sharing? Yes. ICS is included with W2K, though I recommend and use a hardware solution instead. Also, I upgraded to DSL shortly after I bought W2k Will W2k tolerate dual screen-setup with totally independed screen-settings? Yes. At home I use NVidia's GeForce2 MX (a dual-port w/TV-out) running a 20 Silicon Graphics @ 1152x864 and a 15 Magitronics @ 800x600, both at High Color (16-bit)... checking e-mail while watching a route is great eye-candy for me. Will W2k tolerate a DOS-Shell? Not nearly as easy to answer as the first two. I would rather you pull my finger nails out. If a program can be run from the 'Command Prompt',.. I have no problems running a DOS-based MTBF program, however I never got PCAD 5.0 or 7.0 to run w/W2k. With a batch file to switch between the different settings and a second (much older - remember when they had a switch on the bottom?) mouse, I was able to run 7.0 from within '98 and 5.0 in '98's MS_DOS Mode. I have an extreme hatred of P-CAD, based on the two versions I have used, so I do not really care to put more of an effort to getting it to run on any of my machines. Now, I know that last one didn't help, Drew Andrew W. Riley III Talon Instruments 150 East Arrow Highway San Dimas, California 91773 (909) 599-0690 [voice] (909) 599-6529 [fax] www.taloninst.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
[PEDA] FW: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: having W2k installed, can I run...
Andrew W. Riley III Talon Instruments 150 East Arrow Highway San Dimas, California 91773 (909) 599-0690 [voice] (909) 599-6529 [fax] www.taloninst.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 100686794 -Original Message- From: Andrew W. Riley III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: having W2k installed, can I run... Matt, Now you have me doubting my setup, darn it! I will verify when I get home, and post whether or not my new glasses work or my addled brain is in dire need of a rest. Drew Andrew W. Riley III Talon Instruments 150 East Arrow Highway San Dimas, California 91773 (909) 599-0690 [voice] (909) 599-6529 [fax] www.taloninst.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 100686794 -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Pobursky Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:31 PM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: RE: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: having W2k installed, can I run... On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:05:10 -0800, Andrew W. Riley III wrote: snip... Will W2k tolerate dual screen-setup with totally independed screen-settings? Yes. At home I use NVidia's GeForce2 MX (a dual-port w/TV-out) running a 20 Silicon Graphics @ 1152x864 and a 15 Magitronics @ 800x600, both at High Color (16-bit)... checking e-mail while watching a route is great eye-candy for me. Will this really work? All of the dual head video card sites I've checked (Matrox and ATI) say that Win2K limits the 2nd display to the same resolution and color depth as the primary monitor. They SPECIFICALLY say it's a Win2K limitation and not a driver limitation. I am running a Matrox G400 MAX 32MB Dualhead card on a Viewsonic 21 (1600x1200 32bpp) and 17(1280x1024 32bpp) with Win98SE because of this. I would LOVE to switch to Win2K as my primary OS if I don't have to give up dual monitor support. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Eating Crow (was: having W2k installed,can I run...)
Hello again, The second port on my GeForce2 MX has decided to quit working. Two weekends ago I re-moved my dual boot (W2K/WinME - upgraded from a single Win98 installation) option by starting over (clean W2K install) with a bigger HD. And now I have no evidence to back up what I said in my original post. I do not know if I screwed up the second port, it had something to do with WinME/W2K drivers or all of the above. It was my mistake in not verifying my video card's abilities before publishing it to this thread. I DO now know that it is extremely possible that I was talking out of my a... since I can only find info that supports Andrew Jenkins' statement of W2K's limitations with one GPU driving a dual-port card. So (eating crow),.. I say 'nay', one cannot actually change the individual resolutions of two monitors driven by a single, dual-pipeline chipset video card within Windows 2000. You, Andrew Jenkins, are most correct in your advise to Robbi Bittler. Andrew W. Riley III Talon Instruments 150 East Arrow Highway San Dimas, California 91773 (909) 599-0690 [voice] (909) 599-6529 [fax] www.taloninst.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew J Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Eating Crow (was: RE: having W2k installed, can I run...) On 07:28 AM 2/20/01 -0800, Andrew W. Riley III said: I never saw my post here or at work even though Outlook has it in my 'sent' folder. Andrew, Regrettably, I think that's been the case for many of us. The list server (or apparently its host systems) has been acting quite particular (though not apparently selective in any identifiable way) about which messages get thru and which don't, to the frustration of many, including myself. Frankly, for me, it's gotten so bad that I don't know whether I should instigate or respond to most anything anymore, because I am not sure that it will get sent to the group, which group members will actually see it, or whether anything will actually get resolved as a result of my efforts, to my benefit or anyone else's. The thread to which which you and I are responding is just one example. In response to an in-preparation-for-specification-of-a-new-computer-system query that Robbi Bittler made, regarding independent screen resolution configuration for dual-monitors using a single card solution w/in W2k, one respondent said authoritatively that it was possible (Matrox G400 dual-pipeline, single chipset), and two (myself included) responded that it was essentially not possible using most comnbinatorial video solutions. For all intents and purposes, the thread was simply dropped, at least from both of my locations, as I received no further mail on the subject at either until today. I mean, what's the point of explaining or detailing some process, asking a question, or answering same, only to have it vanish into nether-space? I don't know about the rest you, but I need some sort of acknowledgement (agreement, disagreement, explanation, counter-query, simple nod, flip-o-dee-bird, etc...anything but routine dead silence) so that I can confirm that I'm not just speaking to myself and the void. Otherwise, what's the point to having these groups? I don't think that it's meant to provide a forum for hearing ourselves speak, or if it is, then it should be torn down, as a mirror costs a great deal less, and at least provides near real-time response... BTW, assuming that you actually see this message, (toss of a coin?), and since the thread (Dual-head limitations) was left dangling...What IS the outcome, yay or nay? Can one actually change the individual resolutions of two monitors driven by a single, dual-pipeline chipset video card within Windows 2000, or was it actually incorrect advise to Robbi Bittler, ie, are the published limitations accurate? Original participants speak? regards, aj Andrew J Jenkins. NCMR @ NASA-GRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] The opinions expressed herein are soley mine and do not represent the views of my employer, nor the views of its employer. This email and its content may not be redistributed to any third party for any reason without first securing a signed authorization from the author. Failure to abide by these terms may result in legal remediation against the offending party, at the sole discretion of the author. This is not public domain information. Standard commercial- use disclaimers apply. Commercial use requires author approval. If you cannot abide by the full aspect of this disclaimer, immediately delete the message, as you have no rights to its contents. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Eating Crow (was: having W2k installed,can I run...)
Hello, I hope you understand, Andrew Riley, my purpose was not to challenge you to a duel of whit, but simply to correct or stand corrected. We had definitely not reached the point where any flaming was taking place, nor did I expect that to be the case. Andrew, I do realize and understand your point. My only intention was to publish the fact that I stand corrected. And, I could not accept your duel as I am currently unarmed,..g On a serious note, I realize the impersonal nature of e-mail and that its intentions are, more often than not, (mis)interpreted - I did not mean to seem defensive/challenged. In other words, No harm - no foul. Anyway, on to your B B Q; It's the list server I have issues with, because I can no longer be sure that threads are being maintained, or whether their content is only reaching a portion of the list... On to bigger and better questions. Intel or other chipset? if not intel chipset, then make sure you have all of the most up-to-date chipset patches installed, as well as the companion MX drivers (must be the correct pairing), as the MX cards are more than finicky with non-intel chipsets. Via? (I've read a lot of blank-secondary!!! type messages in which the user has a motherboard using the Via chipset. Known prob, known solution. I believe this may be a problem in my configuration. I will have to check this when I get home - I do have a VIA chipset. I have recently installed the new MB (chipset?) drivers using Windows Update. First time ever there was actually something in the drivers section. I do not really know how current the updates are. Would these be the chipset patches that you referred to? Also, I do not have updated MX drivers. I did not know there were updated MX drivers because I have not found them but then again I have not looked very hard. Thank you, for your help. Drew - always here, not always there... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
[PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Archive Request
Hello, Would someone be so kind as to e-mail or post to the Yahoo Groups their current archive from this List Server in Eudora, Outlook or Outlook Express format? I lost my year 2000 (since August, I think) and January - 2001 archive due to a check-box I missed in setting up my computer two weeks ago. I currently use Outlook as my e-mail reader and downloaded Ian Wilson's Eudora Archive. After a few tries I was able to get Outlook to read the files. The key was in Ian Wilson's readme file. I had to create a file called DESCMAP.PCE with one line containing Protel,Protel.mbx,M,U (without the quotes) and keep it in the same directory as the MBX and TOC file. Outlook then had no problems importing the archive. I now have from the beginning of May 2000 through the 10th or 11th of August 2000. So, if someone would fill in any blanks, I would greatly appreciate it. Your servant, r w Andrew W. Riley III Talon Instruments 150 East Arrow Highway San Dimas, California 91773 (909) 599-0690 [voice] (909) 599-6529 [fax] www.taloninst.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: is anyone getting my e-mails
I also received three failure notices today that are dated yesterday afternoon PST,.. I never posted to the list server. Andrew W. Riley III Talon Instruments 150 East Arrow Highway San Dimas, California 91773 (909) 599-0690 [voice] (909) 599-6529 [fax] www.taloninst.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brendon Slade Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: is anyone getting my e-mails Ted Yesterday I received three bad posts implying that the emails I'd sent a week ago never made it. I know this was not the case. I don't know what's going on but it does seem a bit odd. Brendon. - Original Message - From: Ted Tontis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:27 AM Subject: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: is anyone getting my e-mails I just received a e-mail I sent a week ago and it never made it through. Just wanted to make sure. Ted Tontis Design Engineer Engage Networks Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] PH 414.273.7600 Ext. 7607http://www.engagenet.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
