Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Wheels

[Derek Clews]

Sorry correction.  Some like the 15 inch wheels, not 14 inch!

D

> On 16 Oct 2022, at 22:50, Derek Clews  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> The originals were 13 inch wheels.  The data I have is:
> 
> XR2 mk2 
> 13 x 6
> 4X108 PCD. Bolt Thread M12x 1.5 mm
> Offset in 35-45mm range depending on your body requirements.  
> Tyre 185 x 60. 
> 
> I have been running 14 inch wheels (14 J6) with 185 x 55 tyres on them for 
> years.  The actual tyre wall is 101.75mm instead of the 13 inch 111 mm on my 
> 13 inch wheel Coupe.  
> 
> There seems to be a range of choice that works.  Some say that deeper tyre 
> walls are a better ride and soak up the potholes better but that also depends 
> on your suspension and ride height.  Everything works together.  
> 
> Most wheels will accept a few different tyre widths but it is common to find 
> 14 J6 and 14 J5.5. wheels.  Others love the 14 inch wheels and there are more 
> of them to choose from.  I find the rubber band tyres don’t work for me.  
> 
> Remember this hobby is meant to be fun!  
> 
> Regards
> 
> Derek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2022, at 22:28, Darren Siepka > <mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes they are std ford pcd 4x108
>> I would have thought the rim width on a 195 tyre would be far more than a 5? 
>> 6-6.5 perhaps would be more suited. 
>> My last set of 2+2 wheels were used by the last owner on his KA and Mk5 
>> fiesta. They were aftermarket and don't have the et marked on them.
>> On my first 2+2 I had Sierra 14" fitted with special sleeved bolts due to 
>> the hole size in the rims(quantum supplied bolts) the offset on those was 
>> pretty good too.
>> 
>> Darren
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, 21:30 'Mark Alford' via Quantum Owners Group, 
>> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 2+2 Wheels
>> Hello fellow Quantum Owners...
>> 
>> I'm at a stage where I need to replace the tyres and wheels for my 2+2.
>> I'm not sure what wheel settings I need to use.
>> 
>> Please can you help here for 15" and currently have 195/45 R15 Tyres.
>> 
>> So  <>far I believe its..
>> PCD 4 X 108
>> OFFSET 35 - 42?? ET40?
>> WIDTH 5J
>> 
>> Many thanks in advance...
>> 
>> If anyone has a good set of four second hand please let me know?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Mark
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Re: [Quantum Owners] E10 petrol.

[Derek Clews]

I found my coupe with the 2 litre injected did more to the gallon and just 
about covered the cost and it was smoother.  So I only use super/high octane 
petrol now.  

Derek

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> I’m told that the Super Unleaded fuel is still E5 so that’s an option if you 
> can stomach the extra cost per litre.
>  
> But then I’ve been wondering if maybe my Q might prefer a younger engine 
> rather than drink watered down E10 petrol. 
> Having been very impressed with the one litre 125PS Ecoboost in my Focus, I’m 
> thinking that might make a lot of sense. Anyone tried fitting one of those in 
> a Q yet?
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Front strut spring cups.

[Derek Clews]

Sorry , Yes you are right.  Must keep looking.  Hopefully someone is 
remanufacturing.  Maybe Fiesta owners club might know?  Sprayed mine in wax 
oil, so still there. 

ATB

Derek

> On 31 Aug 2021, at 20:32, Jim Hearne  wrote:
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> Those are the lower spring seats from the rear axle.
> 
> Jim
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> On 31/08/2021 20:15, Derek Clews wrote:
>> Hi Rick
>> 
>> Good luck with the rebuild.
>> 
>> Seems others have had the same issue.  Found this with a search:
>> 
>> Pattern new items,
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373687674702?fits=Car+Make%3AFord%7CModel%3AFiesta=14044536971=item570185674e:g:tOgAAOSwLFJfdHus
>>  
>> <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373687674702?fits=Car+Make:Ford|Model:Fiesta=14044536971=item570185674e:g:tOgAAOSwLFJfdHus>
>> 
>> Have a look.  
>> 
>> ATB
>> 
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 Aug 2021, at 18:37, Rick Finlan >> <mailto:rickfin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>>  Front Spring cup 
>>> photo. XR2 1985. This one has been in rust remover for 5 days  but it 
>>> hasn't cleaned up. Any suggestions where I can get some better ones? thx
>>> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 10:23:15 AM UTC+1 Rick Finlan wrote:
>>> Hi, I'm having difficulty finding new or good front spring top cups.  
>>> Rebuilding my saloons front struts using new springs and shocks, the top 
>>> mount and plate are good ( galvanised I think) but the spring cups below 
>>> mount are both rusted through and very thin after cleaning them up. Does 
>>> anyone have or has recently successfully found a source for these parts?  
>>> 1985 XR2 I believe. Thx 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Front strut spring cups.

[Derek Clews]

Hi Rick

Good luck with the rebuild.

Seems others have had the same issue.  Found this with a search:

Pattern new items,

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373687674702?fits=Car+Make%3AFord%7CModel%3AFiesta=14044536971=item570185674e:g:tOgAAOSwLFJfdHus
 


Have a look.  

ATB

Derek



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>  Front Spring cup 
> photo. XR2 1985. This one has been in rust remover for 5 days  but it hasn't 
> cleaned up. Any suggestions where I can get some better ones? thx
> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 10:23:15 AM UTC+1 Rick Finlan wrote:
> Hi, I'm having difficulty finding new or good front spring top cups.  
> Rebuilding my saloons front struts using new springs and shocks, the top 
> mount and plate are good ( galvanised I think) but the spring cups below 
> mount are both rusted through and very thin after cleaning them up. Does 
> anyone have or has recently successfully found a source for these parts?  
> 1985 XR2 I believe. Thx 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Stoneleigh

[Derek Clews]

Thanks Andy,

See you Saturday

Derek


> On 26 Aug 2021, at 21:39, Andy Heaton  wrote:
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> Derek it is a much lower key event this year with the club on stand 
> 51...small gazebo and tea coffee, finger food on both Saturday and Sunday.
> Enjoy 
> Andy h.
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> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021, 09:46 Derek Clews,  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Sorry I am a bit out of touch on Stoneleigh this weekend.  We are planning to 
> go.  Is there much happening from the club?
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> Cheers
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[Quantum Owners] Stoneleigh

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

Sorry I am a bit out of touch on Stoneleigh this weekend.  We are planning to 
go.  Is there much happening from the club?

Cheers

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Fiesta mk2 Brake master cylinder reservoir

[Derek Clews]

Hi Russ

This one looks exactly the same as our Quantums, all MK2 XR 2 base.  

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254977562455?hash=item3b5dd8d757:g:dXoAAOSwzi5gnSjY 
<https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254977562455?hash=item3b5dd8d757:g:dXoAAOSwzi5gnSjY>

ATB

Derek



> On 7 Jun 2021, at 08:19, flob...@gmail.com  wrote:
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> Thanks for the suggestion but I've tried ebay and their are plenty of master 
> cylinders of right type but no reservoirs, the m/cylinders with attached 
> reservoirs are the wrong type. 
> Russ
> 
> On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 8:27:21 PM UTC+1 Derek Clews wrote:
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> You have to be careful to get the right one but eBay seems to have some bits. 
>  Including a complete unit with eveything attached:
> 
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=fiesta+Mk2+brake+master+cylinder&_sacat=0
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> ATB
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> Derek
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> 
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>> 
>> Does anyone know where i can get a brake master cylinder reservoir ? New or 
>> second hand i don't mind which. I think the mk1 & 2 are the same and 
>> possibly the mk3 can anyone confirm that?
>> Russ
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Fiesta mk2 Brake master cylinder reservoir

[Derek Clews]

Hi Russ

You have to be careful to get the right one but eBay seems to have some bits.  
Including a complete unit with eveything attached:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=fiesta+Mk2+brake+master+cylinder&_sacat=0
 


ATB

Derek


> On 6 Jun 2021, at 12:12, flob...@gmail.com  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone know where i can get a brake master cylinder reservoir ? New or 
> second hand i don't mind which. I think the mk1 & 2 are the same and possibly 
> the mk3 can anyone confirm that?
> Russ
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Screen trims.

[Derek Clews]

PS the rear screen top mid area can be very ‘flexible’ so make sure it is 
supported for bonding.  Mine has been strengthened in the bodyshell with an 
extra moulding to support itself properly.  

Derek



> On 18 May 2021, at 20:34, Derek Clews  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> The last one we did was just bonded in and the adhesive spead round to finish 
> against a tape edge and then wiped smooth.  No rubber at all.  Looks fine.  
> 
> You can just use any generic fitting rubber filler trim if you want.  At one 
> time in the past there was advice to tension the screen against the rubber 
> surround and adhesive.  But I have found that to be unnecessary.  So it’s 
> just cosmetic.  Your choice.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Derek
> 
> 
>> On 18 May 2021, at 18:20, Dave English > <mailto:dandh.engl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All.
>> I'm currently in contact with a new Saloon owner (Marc) and he's asking 
>> about the front & rear screen rubbers on the Saloon. I believe that these 
>> screens were bonded in and a trim piece was added. So does anyone know who 
>> supplied the trim piece and if it's needed. Thanks
>> 
>> Dave English
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Screen trims.

[Derek Clews]

Hi Dave,

The last one we did was just bonded in and the adhesive spead round to finish 
against a tape edge and then wiped smooth.  No rubber at all.  Looks fine.  

You can just use any generic fitting rubber filler trim if you want.  At one 
time in the past there was advice to tension the screen against the rubber 
surround and adhesive.  But I have found that to be unnecessary.  So it’s just 
cosmetic.  Your choice.

Cheers

Derek


> On 18 May 2021, at 18:20, Dave English  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All.
> I'm currently in contact with a new Saloon owner (Marc) and he's asking about 
> the front & rear screen rubbers on the Saloon. I believe that these screens 
> were bonded in and a trim piece was added. So does anyone know who supplied 
> the trim piece and if it's needed. Thanks
> 
> Dave English
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons

[Derek Clews]

I have had contact with specialists in Coventry.  They seem to be more into 
racing and modifying as the main workstream but would help with or build 
whatever you wanted.   Also had a gearbox reconditioned around five years ago 
and that was fine.  Tried looking at reconditioning a starter motor but decided 
it was not worth it. 

Derek  

> On 26 Mar 2021, at 16:45, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> I remember all a lot of engine re-conditioners needed was a pressure washer 
> and a can of black spray paint...
> Fixes all problems...
>  
> Does anybody get an engine reconditioned nowadays ?,  i think most normal 
> cars would be scrapped if they needed a engine rebuild, either that or 
> another s/h engine  fitted.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> From: list...@liberator-systems.co.uk <>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2021 4:29 PM
> To: Quantum Owners Group <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons
>  
> I was planning to drop a 2.0l blacktop and possibly turbo into my saloon. 
> This piston availablity issue is making me think twice. Is it the same 
> problem for the old silvertop? How many manufacturers are there for standard 
> type pistons? Wondering how the engine reconditioning businesses source their 
> pistons.
>  
> John
>  
> On Thursday, 25 March 2021 at 18:36:23 UTC nige...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks Jim, will respond to your other later, some interesting points! 
>> Oversize pistons for blacktop are quoted for on plenty of web sites, but are 
>> never available. Supplier calls the manufacturer and they all come back with 
>> same story.
>> Regards
>>  
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, 16:23 Jim Hearne, > wrote:
>>> As you say, i don’t think Ford sells pistons for a Black top Zetec as a 
>>> spare, they want you to replace the whole bottom end.
>>> The Zetec SE is the same.
>>>  
>>> Jim
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: susanandmartin <>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:28 PM
>>> To: quantu...@googlegroups.com <>
>>> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons
>>>  
>>> Not that it helps with your quest, but (hopefully) of interest.
>>> When I was working at Ford we had an engine being tested for cold start 
>>> durability at a University. As proof (if it was ever needed) that starting 
>>> an engine repeatedly from cold with a fuel-enriched intake mixture would 
>>> wreck an engine, there was a need for new pistons after several months and 
>>> x000’s of start procedures. When trying to source new pistons, however, it 
>>> was found they were not listed as a spare and could only be bought with an 
>>> engine block. As this wouldn’t help our engine block durability testing, 
>>> great discussions ensued taking several hours and it was agreed some 
>>> pistons could be supplied direct from the assembly line (maybe one car was 
>>> released without pistons? ). This is a good example of how Ford goes to 
>>> great lengths with their testing (and probably other manufacturers do as 
>>> well).
>>> Martin Scott
>>>  
>>> Sent from Mail  for Windows 
>>> 10
>>>  
>>> From: Nigel Plant <>
>>> Sent: 25 March 2021 12:15
>>> To: Quantum Owners Group <>
>>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Probably one that's right up Jim's street.  Does anyone have the Ford 
>>> specification for 2L Zetec blacktop pistons.  Need gudgeon pin diameter, 
>>> compression height essentially all the key dimensions.  I have broken a 
>>> piston on  my Xtreme turbo such that it needs reboring and cannot get any 
>>> standard but oversize pistons.  Am also told that Nural and Mahle have no 
>>> production plans to manufacture any.  I can get forged pistons and rods, 
>>> which would be better performance wise but didn't want to drop compression 
>>> to 8:1 or fork out £1200.  9:1 is my ideal for the power I want.  I have 
>>> found a custom piston manufacture for forged pistons alone, but they 
>>> require a piston (no problem) and the key specs.
>>>  
>>> For information, I have learnt one interesting point that people may find 
>>> useful.  Although the silvertop and black top have different length conrods 
>>> (ctr to ctr) and different compression heights.  The combined total of 
>>> conrod length and compression height for the silvertop and blacktop are the 
>>> same, meaning a set of silvertop conrods and pistons can be used to replace 
>>> the blacktop ones.
>>>  
>>> Thanks for any help on the specs.
>>>  
>>> Nigel Plant
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation

[Derek Clews]

ke cabin air would 
> have a pretty restricted path to exit?
>  
> Re: Parcel shelf vents - I had also considered this but I would have thought 
> to be effective their needs to be a low pressure opening in boot area 
> somewhere to pull cabin air through. External rear quarter vents from Buebird 
> seems like they would work well to achieve this but I am not keen chop body 
> in visible area. I am thinking a simple tube type duct/vent through boot 
> floor may work - I already have boot mods for fuel pumps, swirl pot, ARB 
> mounts etc. so another mod will not matter there.
>  
> Re: Heater leak - always a possibility but I don't think mine is leaking 
> (fingers crossed!). Since I stripped interior and dried it out there has not 
> been any further water in footwells (car is under cover now). With engine 
> running and cooling system under pressure this could change but at moment I 
> cannot start engine to test.
>  
> Re: Heated windscreen - I always liked these in my Mondeos. Who supplies 
> these? Were they a Ford factory option for Fiesta Mk2? If my screen has to 
> come out (when I start chasing leaks) I would consider this if cost is not 
> too bad.
>  
> Obviously any water in the cabin is going to cause condesation problems so I 
> will be trying to chase down any possible water entry points as I rebuild. 
> One obvious area looks like the front window rubbers - I have at least a 5mm 
> gap bewteen glass and rubber lip.
>  
> John
>
> 
> 
> On Monday, 22 March 2021 at 22:40:59 UTC dar...@siepka.me.uk wrote:
>> I have a BMW 180A alternator fitted for just such a reason, that and the 
>> EPAS which also pulls loads of power too :-).
>> Not sure whether that alternator will fit on a cvh or zetec mind you
>> As fitted to N47 on e6x ,8x and 9x BMW and mini, cheaper than a fiesta unit !
>>  
>> Darren
>>  
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 18:57 Derek Clews, > wrote:
>>> That is huge on a standard alternator!  Must take an hour of running to 
>>> recharge the battery after a cold morning start?  
>>>  
>>> Derek
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:52, Darren Siepka > wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Ah no , this is an auxiliary heater matrix, runs on 12v from the car! 
>>>> Pulls like 80a or so!
>>>> See piccys.
>>>>  
>>>> Darren
>>>>  
>>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 13:37 Derek Clews, > wrote:
>>>>> On my 2+2 rebuild I am going to fit a sump heater to use 240V to preheat 
>>>>> the oil in the engine to reduce wear and provide quicker heat for short 
>>>>> journeys.  At present I have to drive around 5 miles before the car is up 
>>>>> to temperature.  
>>>>>  
>>>>> The energy required to heat water like you are doing using 12 V is a 
>>>>> great deal.  How does that even work?  Or is it 240V as well?  Reading it 
>>>>> again you don't say.  240V only works when you are starting from home, 
>>>>> not the works car park.  
>>>>>  
>>>>> On a really cold day start I have been known to runout a cord and mains 
>>>>> fan heater to warm up the car before I go! 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Derek.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 13:16, Darren Siepka > wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> The electric elements as fitted to recent diesel OEM vehicles work 
>>>>>> amazingly!
>>>>>> They do draw lots of leccy so beware.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I have put one in supplement to the water radiator in my current 2+2 
>>>>>> rebuild to enable near instant hot air upon startup , they reach temp in 
>>>>>> about 60seconds!
>>>>>> I am using one from a focus/Volvo ( same parts) very simple to operate, 
>>>>>> a simple pwm signal sets the output, but there are other versions like 
>>>>>> the ones on Mk7 8 fiesta that use a multi wire approach to level setting.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Darren
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 11:35 Derek Clews, > wrote:
>>>>>>> I have taken the low tech approach and just crack the windows open as 
>>>>>>> necessary.  Beginning to think the electric screen is the right idea.  
>>>>>>> Pity they are only in clear colour as all my Q’s are light green glass. 
>>>>>>>  Put have wondered about the latest generation of

Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation

[Derek Clews]

That is huge on a standard alternator!  Must take an hour of running to 
recharge the battery after a cold morning start?  

Derek



> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:52, Darren Siepka  wrote:
> 
> Ah no , this is an auxiliary heater matrix, runs on 12v from the car! Pulls 
> like 80a or so!
> See piccys.
> 
> Darren
> 
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 13:37 Derek Clews,  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On my 2+2 rebuild I am going to fit a sump heater to use 240V to preheat the 
> oil in the engine to reduce wear and provide quicker heat for short journeys. 
>  At present I have to drive around 5 miles before the car is up to 
> temperature.  
> 
> The energy required to heat water like you are doing using 12 V is a great 
> deal.  How does that even work?  Or is it 240V as well?  Reading it again you 
> don't say.  240V only works when you are starting from home, not the works 
> car park.  
> 
> On a really cold day start I have been known to runout a cord and mains fan 
> heater to warm up the car before I go!  
> 
> Derek. 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 13:16, Darren Siepka > <mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> The electric elements as fitted to recent diesel OEM vehicles work amazingly!
>> They do draw lots of leccy so beware.
>> 
>> I have put one in supplement to the water radiator in my current 2+2 rebuild 
>> to enable near instant hot air upon startup , they reach temp in about 
>> 60seconds!
>> I am using one from a focus/Volvo ( same parts) very simple to operate, a 
>> simple pwm signal sets the output, but there are other versions like the 
>> ones on Mk7 8 fiesta that use a multi wire approach to level setting.
>> 
>> Darren
>> 
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 11:35 Derek Clews, > <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I have taken the low tech approach and just crack the windows open as 
>> necessary.  Beginning to think the electric screen is the right idea.  Pity 
>> they are only in clear colour as all my Q’s are light green glass.  Put have 
>> wondered about the latest generation of electric blower demisters.  Seems 
>> that are good enough for Caterham to get approved with only them fitted.  
>> 
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 10:43, kynastonp . >> <mailto:kynast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I built my saloon people were complaining about misting of the side 
>>> and rear windows , the factory suggested fitting the astramax vent in the 
>>> rear of the door opening . I also fitted vents under the rear window to 
>>> allow air through the parcel shelf and more vents from the sides of the 
>>> boot into the inner wing . Never had a problem after that . The vents some 
>>> people have fitted in the rear wings are from a Nissan bluebird from 1986 
>>> onwards.
>>> 
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Darren Siepka 
>>> mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk>>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:17:48 AM
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
>>> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation
>>>  
>>> Further to what Jim was saying about air pressure, 
>>> I was told that the venting assisted in making sufficient air movement in 
>>> the cabin to let the blower pull in air more easily whilst not causing a 
>>> negative differential to the outside which would have encouraged leaks..
>>> I have the grey Slat type vents in my saloon door post.
>>> 
>>> The best fix for windscreen misting would be to put an electric heated 
>>> screen in , which are a straight fit :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 10:05 Jim Hearne, >> <mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote:
>>> My understand of the issue with the ventilation in the saloon was more 
>>> misting of the rear side windows and rear screen.
>>> Hence the fitting of the vents in the B pillars (mine has those) or in the 
>>> rear quarters.
>>> I don’t remember having any real issues on my saloon but it does also have 
>>> the splash guards in front of the front wheel arches.
>>>  
>>> As you say, the only real exit from a unmodified saloon is via the door 
>>> hinge openings.
>>> Although, remember when the door is shut 99% of that ar

Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation

[Derek Clews]

On my 2+2 rebuild I am going to fit a sump heater to use 240V to preheat the 
oil in the engine to reduce wear and provide quicker heat for short journeys.  
At present I have to drive around 5 miles before the car is up to temperature.  

The energy required to heat water like you are doing using 12 V is a great 
deal.  How does that even work?  Or is it 240V as well?  Reading it again you 
don't say.  240V only works when you are starting from home, not the works car 
park.  

On a really cold day start I have been known to runout a cord and mains fan 
heater to warm up the car before I go!  

Derek. 


> On 22 Mar 2021, at 13:16, Darren Siepka  wrote:
> 
> The electric elements as fitted to recent diesel OEM vehicles work amazingly!
> They do draw lots of leccy so beware.
> 
> I have put one in supplement to the water radiator in my current 2+2 rebuild 
> to enable near instant hot air upon startup , they reach temp in about 
> 60seconds!
> I am using one from a focus/Volvo ( same parts) very simple to operate, a 
> simple pwm signal sets the output, but there are other versions like the ones 
> on Mk7 8 fiesta that use a multi wire approach to level setting.
> 
> Darren
> 
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 11:35 Derek Clews,  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I have taken the low tech approach and just crack the windows open as 
> necessary.  Beginning to think the electric screen is the right idea.  Pity 
> they are only in clear colour as all my Q’s are light green glass.  Put have 
> wondered about the latest generation of electric blower demisters.  Seems 
> that are good enough for Caterham to get approved with only them fitted.  
> 
> Derek
> 
> 
>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 10:43, kynastonp . > <mailto:kynast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> When I built my saloon people were complaining about misting of the side and 
>> rear windows , the factory suggested fitting the astramax vent in the rear 
>> of the door opening . I also fitted vents under the rear window to allow air 
>> through the parcel shelf and more vents from the sides of the boot into the 
>> inner wing . Never had a problem after that . The vents some people have 
>> fitted in the rear wings are from a Nissan bluebird from 1986 onwards.
>> 
>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> on 
>> behalf of Darren Siepka mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk>>
>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:17:48 AM
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
>> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation
>>  
>> Further to what Jim was saying about air pressure, 
>> I was told that the venting assisted in making sufficient air movement in 
>> the cabin to let the blower pull in air more easily whilst not causing a 
>> negative differential to the outside which would have encouraged leaks..
>> I have the grey Slat type vents in my saloon door post.
>> 
>> The best fix for windscreen misting would be to put an electric heated 
>> screen in , which are a straight fit :-)
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 10:05 Jim Hearne, > <mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote:
>> My understand of the issue with the ventilation in the saloon was more 
>> misting of the rear side windows and rear screen.
>> Hence the fitting of the vents in the B pillars (mine has those) or in the 
>> rear quarters.
>> I don’t remember having any real issues on my saloon but it does also have 
>> the splash guards in front of the front wheel arches.
>>  
>> As you say, the only real exit from a unmodified saloon is via the door 
>> hinge openings.
>> Although, remember when the door is shut 99% of that area is blocked off by 
>> the other half of the hinge.
>>  
>> I believe there have been cases of the bonded in glass popping out when 
>> doors are slammed due to the air pressure.
>>  
>> Jim
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group <>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 8:12 PM
>> To: Quantum Owners Group <>
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation
>>  
>> John
>>  
>> Am I correct in thinking that, like many Q saloon owners, you are troubled 
>> with dampness in the cabin and the consequent high (in comparison with 
>> mass-produced cars) tendency for windows to steam up and such?
>>  
>> Prompted by a drive in torrential rain last year which caused the windscreen 
>> to i

Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation

[Derek Clews]

I have taken the low tech approach and just crack the windows open as 
necessary.  Beginning to think the electric screen is the right idea.  Pity 
they are only in clear colour as all my Q’s are light green glass.  Put have 
wondered about the latest generation of electric blower demisters.  Seems that 
are good enough for Caterham to get approved with only them fitted.  

Derek


> On 22 Mar 2021, at 10:43, kynastonp .  wrote:
> 
> When I built my saloon people were complaining about misting of the side and 
> rear windows , the factory suggested fitting the astramax vent in the rear of 
> the door opening . I also fitted vents under the rear window to allow air 
> through the parcel shelf and more vents from the sides of the boot into the 
> inner wing . Never had a problem after that . The vents some people have 
> fitted in the rear wings are from a Nissan bluebird from 1986 onwards.
> 
> Get Outlook for Android 
> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Darren Siepka 
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:17:48 AM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation
>  
> Further to what Jim was saying about air pressure, 
> I was told that the venting assisted in making sufficient air movement in the 
> cabin to let the blower pull in air more easily whilst not causing a negative 
> differential to the outside which would have encouraged leaks..
> I have the grey Slat type vents in my saloon door post.
> 
> The best fix for windscreen misting would be to put an electric heated screen 
> in , which are a straight fit :-)
> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, 10:05 Jim Hearne,  > wrote:
> My understand of the issue with the ventilation in the saloon was more 
> misting of the rear side windows and rear screen.
> Hence the fitting of the vents in the B pillars (mine has those) or in the 
> rear quarters.
> I don’t remember having any real issues on my saloon but it does also have 
> the splash guards in front of the front wheel arches.
>  
> As you say, the only real exit from a unmodified saloon is via the door hinge 
> openings.
> Although, remember when the door is shut 99% of that area is blocked off by 
> the other half of the hinge.
>  
> I believe there have been cases of the bonded in glass popping out when doors 
> are slammed due to the air pressure.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> From: 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group <>
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 8:12 PM
> To: Quantum Owners Group <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon Ventilation
>  
> John
>  
> Am I correct in thinking that, like many Q saloon owners, you are troubled 
> with dampness in the cabin and the consequent high (in comparison with 
> mass-produced cars) tendency for windows to steam up and such?
>  
> Prompted by a drive in torrential rain last year which caused the windscreen 
> to instantly and heavily steam up, reducing vision to near zero, I 
> investigated and as a result modified my Q as follows, which has resulted in 
> dramatic improvement. The mod is simple. Block off the heater air intakes in 
> the underside of the front wings just behind the headlights (I used some nice 
> springy closed cell polyurethane 50mm sponge cut oversize to the roughly 
> triangular shape of the intakes). The heater now draws air only through the 
> door hinge holes, where the air is relatively dry. The front intakes, 
> effectively within the wheel arch, drew not only moist air but water droplets 
> when driving in even quite light rain. Other owners have fitted wing arch 
> panels to shield the intakes from heavy tyre spray but I believe that to be 
> ineffective in the more extreme wet conditions. You will be wondering whether 
> the area of the hinge openings is sufficient, as was I, but although I was 
> prepared to drill a couple of additional 30mm dia holes each side that has 
> not been necessary. The area of the hinge holes is approximately equal to the 
> area of the gap around the lower (below waistline) portion of the door and at 
> 80cm2 each side appears to be sufficient.
>  
> B pillar vents -  mine has them but I believe the only real benefit is on the 
> nearside, to prevent a build-up of petrol fume in the event of an imperfect 
> seal in any of the filler pipe joins.
>  
> If you would like a chat to discuss further, my contact details are below.
>  
> HTH
>  
> Best regards
> Bill 
> 
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[Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

Can anyone confirm the Q Coupe and 2+2 (i.e. Fiesta Mk2) Brake system?  I want 
to get a flaring tool and think it is using a 4.75 DIN ISO 3/16" Single Bubble 
Flare.  Is that correct?

Cheers

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Car cover recommendations?

[Derek Clews]

I didi not get on well with a straight car cover and so got one of these:

https://www.canvasandnylon.co.uk/portable-garages/ 
. 

It was good over 10 years so last year I bought a second one.  My type are the 
perambulator style.  The frame holds the cover clear of the car body and there 
is ventilation.  Beneficial winter or summer.  Works well on the front of the 
house with no permissions needed.  I did use some good ground anchors and even 
gales will not shift them.  One of the ground anchors holds the folded over 
section closed to the ground with a padlock.  

Derek





> On 5 Jan 2021, at 17:00, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> I’ve not had good experience with covers on painted cars, i’ve always found 
> that they get damp trapped under the cover (even supposedly breathable ones) 
> and it makes the paint blister up with blisters full of water.
> This has mostly been Quantums but also on production cars.
>  
> If your car is in gelcoat rather than painted then it may be ok.
> A good coat of polish before covering it may help.
>  
> I’m guessing that more modern paint absorbs the moisture and somehow it 
> accumulates under the paint.
> I’ve even had it to a degree on my 2+2 under the edge of the hood where it 
> sits against the body and the 2+2 has never been left outside.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> From: mgaskin via Quantum Owners Group <>
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> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Car cover recommendations?
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> My Q2+2 has been temporarily banished from the garage and I’d like to find a 
> car cover that’s a good fit, rather than a plastic tarp that’s already blown 
> off the car several times since Christmas despite the use of multiple 
> bungees. Rather than just take a punt online, do any of you have good reports 
> of something that fits well, doesn’t do any damage, and stays on?
>  
> Many thanks in advance
>  
> Matthew
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Gelcoat query

[Derek Clews]

Also you cannot let them put the car in an oven, it must airdry at low 
temperature or the body can distort.  

Best of Luck

Derek


> On 7 Jul 2020, at 19:42, Derek Clews  wrote:
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> Hi Mathew.
> 
> My 2+2 Yellow going the same way after 20 years.  Heard it said that a 
> respray will last 10 years but I am sure many make them last longer so 20 gel 
> coat is about it.  Wondering what to do with it mayself and looked at home 
> paint systems.  
> 
> A professional respray can cost £3-4K.  Much of the cost is time and the prep 
> required is massive.  So some have done a lot of that themselves.  But the 
> prep has to be vey good for a modern gloss finish where every little thing 
> will show through.  How perfectionist are you?  Gel coats often need some 
> crack repair too.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Jul 2020, at 13:06, kynastonp . > <mailto:kynast...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> This happened to my saloon at 18 months. Quantum paid for several cars to be 
>> painted as the gelcoat colours they used were not UV stable . Polishing or 
>> cutting is only a temporary solution .
>> 
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, 11:56 'MatthewG' via Quantum Owners Group, 
>> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm trying to get my Q back on the road after a long break. She's been 
>> stored outside and badly needs a polish but what I'm finding is streaks that 
>> seem to somehow be deep within the gelcoat. They aren't coming out even 
>> after a good polish. I've attached a picture of a bit (pre-polish) to try 
>> and show what I'm talking about. Have any of you seen this before? Is the 
>> fix just to use a cutting compound instead of polish? Or am I going to have 
>> to just accept that this is inevitable on a 24 year old car? (Possibly 
>> related question: how much is a respray these days?)
>> 
>> Any thoughts very gratefully received.
>> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Gelcoat query

[Derek Clews]

Hi Mathew.

My 2+2 Yellow going the same way after 20 years.  Heard it said that a respray 
will last 10 years but I am sure many make them last longer so 20 gel coat is 
about it.  Wondering what to do with it mayself and looked at home paint 
systems.  

A professional respray can cost £3-4K.  Much of the cost is time and the prep 
required is massive.  So some have done a lot of that themselves.  But the prep 
has to be vey good for a modern gloss finish where every little thing will show 
through.  How perfectionist are you?  Gel coats often need some crack repair 
too.  




> On 7 Jul 2020, at 13:06, kynastonp .  wrote:
> 
> This happened to my saloon at 18 months. Quantum paid for several cars to be 
> painted as the gelcoat colours they used were not UV stable . Polishing or 
> cutting is only a temporary solution .
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, 11:56 'MatthewG' via Quantum Owners Group, 
> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to get my Q back on the road after a long break. She's been stored 
> outside and badly needs a polish but what I'm finding is streaks that seem to 
> somehow be deep within the gelcoat. They aren't coming out even after a good 
> polish. I've attached a picture of a bit (pre-polish) to try and show what 
> I'm talking about. Have any of you seen this before? Is the fix just to use a 
> cutting compound instead of polish? Or am I going to have to just accept that 
> this is inevitable on a 24 year old car? (Possibly related question: how much 
> is a respray these days?)
> 
> Any thoughts very gratefully received.
> 
> Matthew
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[Quantum Owners] Brake guide pin covers

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

Silly question maybe.  How important are the brake pin guide covers (you know 
those little caps you have to take off to undo the guides) on a disc brake?  
They are part of a build/design as they are present when a car is new.  But 
often seem to be missing in later life.  Even main dealers seem to not be 
fussed.

Keep well

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Quantum 2+2 Brakes advise please (and fan switch!)

[Derek Clews]

HI James,

Don’t know if this will help, but I ended up fitting a 102/93C Cambiare VE7096. 
fan switch in the standard housing for varying reasons.  Not least running out 
of time for re-mot’ing the car and having it in my hand!  That one has a 
slightly different range than most, but I find it works well as it takes the 
temp down a noticeable amount before switching off again compared to the often 
quoted 103/98C ones.  I also found that ebay suppliers frequently 
miss-represent the connectors and this one had two standard spades, which is 
easy to DIY replace getting rid of the old ford connector.  There seem to a 
number of different ones that fit the housing and thread, so there is a lot of 
choice.  I also went for the simple approach and just made a short jumper cable 
to add to the car kit if I wanted to manually switch it on in future if there 
was a switch failure.  But will probably never have one again!

Keep well

Derek





> On 7 Apr 2020, at 11:22, Dave English  wrote:
> 
> Hi James.
> 
> I know your car is a 1600 so I'm guessing it's XR2 based with vented discs. 
> My early build manual for the 2+2 says to use 17.5mm cylinders (OE number 
> 1630360). These would normally be fitted to non-XR2 Fiestas with rear brake 
> compensators.
> 
> The 2+2 manual also says to use the rear compensators with these cylinders. 
> As I started building mine before the manual came out and was working from 
> the Saloon manual, I never fitted the compensators but I still use the 17.5mm 
> cylinders.
> 
> So, if you've vented discs at the front, use 17.5mm cylinders at the back, 
> with or without the rear compensators.
> 
> As far as I'm aware Ferrodo are still fine, I usually get my brakes from 
> Halfords or Exhausts Unlimited and haven't had any problems.
> Discs - a quick look on E-bay came up with Mintex and QH discs for less than 
> £30 a pair and Burton Power do a pair for £36 + postage.
> 
> As for the switch problem, sorry, I can't help. I have a 24" 'Breaker' bar 
> and a single hex, double depth socket, so when I changed my switch, it didn't 
> resist for long!
> For it's replacement, look for a switch with a 103-98 degree range (or there 
> about). I fitted the (supposedly also correct) 95-88 one and it's too low 
> with an 88 degree thermostat.
> 
> Regards
> Dave English
> Q2-009
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Stoneleigh Kit Car Show postponed

[Derek Clews]

Yep, seems everything is closed until further notice.  Happy to be retired.  

Stay Healthy Everyone.

Derek


> On 20 Mar 2020, at 19:10, 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
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> Just looked at the Stoneleigh Kit Car web site. It won’t be a huge surprise, 
> there is a message stating the show has been postponed (New date yet to be 
> confirmed).
>  
> Keep safe
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
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> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Fuel hose
>  
> Thought we needed to get the ethanol resistant hose these days.   I have 
> bought and fitted SAEJ30 R9 hose.  The R6 got eaten relatively quickly.  
>  
> Derek
>  
> 
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2020, at 10:15, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
>> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Geoff,
>>  
>> This blog has a good explanation and links that might be useful.
>>  
>> https://blog.heritagepartscentre.com/blog/2014/05/15/e10-fuelling-speculation/
>>  
>> <https://blog.heritagepartscentre.com/blog/2014/05/15/e10-fuelling-speculation/>
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Steve
>>  
>> On 13 March 2020 17:15:35 Geoff Ward > <mailto:carole.ge...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Does anyone have any recommendations on where to purchase good quality 
>>> fuel hose. Needs to be suitable for unleaded, fuel injection and last 
>>> longer than a year or two!
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Fuel hose

[Derek Clews]

Thought we needed to get the ethanol resistant hose these days.   I have bought 
and fitted SAEJ30 R9 hose.  The R6 got eaten relatively quickly.  

Derek


> On 14 Mar 2020, at 10:15, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> Geoff,
> 
> This blog has a good explanation and links that might be useful.
> 
> https://blog.heritagepartscentre.com/blog/2014/05/15/e10-fuelling-speculation/
>  
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Steve
> 
> On 13 March 2020 17:15:35 Geoff Ward  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Does anyone have any recommendations on where to purchase good quality 
>> fuel hose. Needs to be suitable for unleaded, fuel injection and last longer 
>> than a year or two!
>> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator repalcement questions

[Derek Clews]

Hi Pete,

That is an interesting solution.  it looks like you need to buy their fans to 
go with it?  

Derek


> On 11 Feb 2020, at 18:37, Pete M  wrote:
> 
> 
> Merlin Motorsport has a Davies Craig one :
> 
> https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/digital-thermatic-radiator-fan-switch-adjustable-0444
> 
> 
> On Sunday, 9 February 2020 19:17:05 UTC, Derek Clews wrote:
> I was, forgot, now you mention it. Just googled and got:
> 
> Kenlowe only supply fans to vehicle manufacturers/engineering companies and 
> field replacements for existing specialist applications. We no longer make or 
> supply thermo electric fan packages for retrofit on individual cars for the 
> automotive aftermarket.
> 
> Who’d a know’d it?
> 
> Derek
> 
>> On 9 Feb 2020, at 18:25, Ken Needham > wrote:
>> 
>> Gents, are you aware of the Kenlow fan thermostat. This has a variable 
>> switch point and may be fitted to any rad. They are not cheap but do perform 
>> very well.
>> Ken
>>  
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>>  
>> From: quantu...@googlegroups.com <> > on 
>> behalf of bill >
>> Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:27:19 PM
>> To: quantu...@googlegroups.com <> >
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator repalcement questions
>>  
>> Hi Derek, on my car I have a two speed fan and used to have the lower speed 
>> connected to a manual switch for some time, over time and probably due to 
>> another failure of a radiator fan switch the lower speed wasn’t connected 
>> anymore. The fan was now fed through a relay as when the switch was used to 
>> directly feed the fan the switch was prone to failure. I found the dual 
>> temperature switch on eBay although I only searched for radiator fan switch, 
>> when the dual one turned up I thought why not. After that I bought a simple 
>> on/on switch so I can select which ever I want, a lot of this stemmed from 
>> when I changed the zetec thermostat and found the fan would be running at 
>> the engines normal running temperature, hence the original reason for the 
>> search. I like to be able to power up the fan whenever I may want but also 
>> have the fan stop when the temperature drops, without anymore input from me
>> Bill
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 9 Feb 2020, at 13:11, Derek Clews > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> So you found an unusual replacement, then?  Just wondering what advantage 
>>> that would give in real world conditions over a manual switch to back up 
>>> the standard thermostatic single output switch.  Or worth fitting a two 
>>> speed fan as well?  
>>> 
>>> Still that is why it is worth asking a question on here.  Folks come up 
>>> with all sorts of ideas and experiences.  Great!
>>> 
>>> Derek
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Feb 2020, at 10:27, bill > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The last radiator mounted fan switch I fitted was a dual output for two 
>>>> speed fan, one output was 88c the other much higher, I run on the higher 
>>>> temperature leg, I’m going to connect both through a common on/on switch 
>>>> so I can easily select either 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 8 Feb 2020, at 10:18, Dave English > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Derek
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had to replace my fan switch last year and ended up with the lower 
>>>>> temperature one (88C-95C), my thermostat is the same as yours, an 88C 
>>>>> one. If I were you I would go for the 98C to 103C you mentioned because I 
>>>>> find the fan can come on with the engine at normal running temperature 
>>>>> (needle in the middle), which means it's on a lot more.
>>>>> The switch I took out was a 98C to 103C but, as I was doing the 
>>>>> replacement with a full water system, I didn't fancy holding my finger 
>>>>> over the hole until another switch came through the post!
>>>>> The next time I need to drain the system, I'll fit a higher temperature 
>>>>> switch. (Shouldn't be long, the increasing differential whine means a 
>>>>> replacement gearbox is now required, so I'll need to drop the engine 
>>>>> down.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Dave English
>>>>> Q2-009
>>>>> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers

[Derek Clews]

He! He!  Yes when we were looking for our current house the joke with the 
estate agent was that we wanted a Garage with a house attached……

Derek

> On 11 Feb 2020, at 14:27, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> I think you have that the wrong way round, you need the garage first to put 
> all the tools in for fixing the house.
> And, make sure its big enough to take the Q as well 
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:25 PM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers
>  
> It will be quite a while before it gets done anyway.
> I bought a new (150 year old) house which needs ‘a bit’ of work.
> Once the house is done I can build the new garage THEN carry on with the Q 
> rebuild !!
>  
> Chris G
>  
> From: 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 1:51 PM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers
>  
> Be careful mixing stainless steel and aluminium.  You might quickly find you 
> have less aluminium than when you started!  Use some plastic/rubber washers 
> to isolate the 2 if possible.
> Regards,
> Steve
> On 11/02/2020 13:44, chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group wrote:
>> The bloke who built mine had made some out of aluminium (badly) and had used 
>> steel self tappers to hold it on.
>> The screws had rusted solid and had to be drilled out.
>> I intend to made some better ones out of aluminium and use stainless rivnuts.
>>  
>> Chris G
>>  
>> From: Derek Clews <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 10:12 AM
>> To: Quantum Owners Forum <>
>> Cc: Derek Clews <>
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers
>>  
>> My coupe had S/S fasteners and it was a non-event to take the nose cone off. 
>>  (Sorry to those who have struggled!)  It was a more recent refit with the 
>> redesigned front lights shape. If you do not have liners I would have 
>> thought the lights and wiring would have got a pounding and would need to be 
>> very waterproof.  
>>  
>> My covers are plastic, but my son’s car has aluminium. 
>>  
>> Derek
>>  
>> 
>>> On 11 Feb 2020, at 08:31, Jim Hearne > wrote:
>>>  
>>> I think they are partly to stop mud etc building up in the back of the nose 
>>> cone.
>>> And also they make more of a shield to the void between the inner and outer 
>>> wings that supplys air to the heater system.
>>> I imagine that without them that it might be possible for water from a big 
>>> puddle to splash up there and enter the car.
>>>  
>>> Jim
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group <>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 7:56 AM
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <>
>>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers
>>>  
>>> Hi Derek et al
>>>  
>>> My saloon does not have and never has had such covers fitted and I've not 
>>> found any downside to that. 
>>>  
>>> Just for interest, the radiator originally was in the engine bay but during 
>>> a full rebuild a few years ago, I moved it in front of the bulkhead to 
>>> accommodate a decent tubular exhaust manifold. 
>>>  
>>> http://quantumforum.proboards.com/thread/522/quantum-saloon-full-rebuild?page=6
>>>  
>>> <http://quantumforum.proboards.com/thread/522/quantum-saloon-full-rebuild?page=6>
>>>  
>>>  
>>> As you've probably discovered, removing the nose cone can be a pig if 
>>> stainless fasteners were not used to mount it, but all are reachable, just, 
>>> with a cutting disc on an angle grinder.
>>>  
>>> Best regards
>>> Bill 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Monday, 10 February 2020, 19:36:59 GMT, Derek Clews 
>>> > wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Dear All,
>>>  
>>> Took off the nose cone today.  The inner wheel arch covers that fill the 
>>> back of the nose cone within the wheel arch are pop riveted on.  I did 
>>> wonder if there is a better way of doing it?  The rivets are quite 
>>> practical and easy enough to reset, so maybe not.  But I note that 
>>> production vehicles now use a plastic clip system for the same job.  
>>> Rivnuts and dome head bolts seem to be the deluxe version.  But maybe they 
>>> would not last

Re: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers

[Derek Clews]

My coupe had S/S fasteners and it was a non-event to take the nose cone off.  
(Sorry to those who have struggled!)  It was a more recent refit with the 
redesigned front lights shape. If you do not have liners I would have thought 
the lights and wiring would have got a pounding and would need to be very 
waterproof.  

My covers are plastic, but my son’s car has aluminium.  

Derek


> On 11 Feb 2020, at 08:31, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> I think they are partly to stop mud etc building up in the back of the nose 
> cone.
> And also they make more of a shield to the void between the inner and outer 
> wings that supplys air to the heater system.
> I imagine that without them that it might be possible for water from a big 
> puddle to splash up there and enter the car.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 7:56 AM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers
>  
> Hi Derek et al
>  
> My saloon does not have and never has had such covers fitted and I've not 
> found any downside to that. 
>  
> Just for interest, the radiator originally was in the engine bay but during a 
> full rebuild a few years ago, I moved it in front of the bulkhead to 
> accommodate a decent tubular exhaust manifold. 
>  
> http://quantumforum.proboards.com/thread/522/quantum-saloon-full-rebuild?page=6
>  
> <http://quantumforum.proboards.com/thread/522/quantum-saloon-full-rebuild?page=6>
>  
>  
> As you've probably discovered, removing the nose cone can be a pig if 
> stainless fasteners were not used to mount it, but all are reachable, just, 
> with a cutting disc on an angle grinder.
>  
> Best regards
> Bill 
>  
>  
> On Monday, 10 February 2020, 19:36:59 GMT, Derek Clews  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> Took off the nose cone today.  The inner wheel arch covers that fill the back 
> of the nose cone within the wheel arch are pop riveted on.  I did wonder if 
> there is a better way of doing it?  The rivets are quite practical and easy 
> enough to reset, so maybe not.  But I note that production vehicles now use a 
> plastic clip system for the same job.  Rivnuts and dome head bolts seem to be 
> the deluxe version.  But maybe they would not last?  
>  
> What have you done?  What is the best?  
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers

[Derek Clews]

I got the coupe as a part finished rebuild but Eddie fitted the new nose cone 
during the respray and pop rivets were his fit.

Derek

> On 10 Feb 2020, at 22:12, susanandmartin 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used the minimum of self-tappers for mine which (mostly) wedge into 
> position, so If I recall only 3 screws. Were yours supplied with the kit? I 
> had to make my own.
> Martin
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> Cc: Derek Clews <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> Took off the nose cone today.  The inner wheel arch covers that fill the back 
> of the nose cone within the wheel arch are pop riveted on.  I did wonder if 
> there is a better way of doing it?  The rivets are quite practical and easy 
> enough to reset, so maybe not.  But I note that production vehicles now use a 
> plastic clip system for the same job.  Rivnuts and dome head bolts seem to be 
> the deluxe version.  But maybe they would not last? 
>  
> What have you done?  What is the best? 
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Derek
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[Quantum Owners] Coupe front wheel arch covers

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Took off the nose cone today.  The inner wheel arch covers that fill the back 
of the nose cone within the wheel arch are pop riveted on.  I did wonder if 
there is a better way of doing it?  The rivets are quite practical and easy 
enough to reset, so maybe not.  But I note that production vehicles now use a 
plastic clip system for the same job.  Rivnuts and dome head bolts seem to be 
the deluxe version.  But maybe they would not last?  

What have you done?  What is the best?  

Cheers

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator repalcement questions

[Derek Clews]

I was, forgot, now you mention it. Just googled and got:

Kenlowe only supply fans to vehicle manufacturers/engineering companies and 
field replacements for existing specialist applications. We no longer make or 
supply thermo electric fan packages for retrofit on individual cars for the 
automotive aftermarket.

Who’d a know’d it?

Derek

> On 9 Feb 2020, at 18:25, Ken Needham  wrote:
> 
> Gents, are you aware of the Kenlow fan thermostat. This has a variable switch 
> point and may be fitted to any rad. They are not cheap but do perform very 
> well.
> Ken
>  
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> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of bill 
> Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:27:19 PM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator repalcement questions
>  
> Hi Derek, on my car I have a two speed fan and used to have the lower speed 
> connected to a manual switch for some time, over time and probably due to 
> another failure of a radiator fan switch the lower speed wasn’t connected 
> anymore. The fan was now fed through a relay as when the switch was used to 
> directly feed the fan the switch was prone to failure. I found the dual 
> temperature switch on eBay although I only searched for radiator fan switch, 
> when the dual one turned up I thought why not. After that I bought a simple 
> on/on switch so I can select which ever I want, a lot of this stemmed from 
> when I changed the zetec thermostat and found the fan would be running at the 
> engines normal running temperature, hence the original reason for the search. 
> I like to be able to power up the fan whenever I may want but also have the 
> fan stop when the temperature drops, without anymore input from me
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 9 Feb 2020, at 13:11, Derek Clews  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> So you found an unusual replacement, then?  Just wondering what advantage 
>> that would give in real world conditions over a manual switch to back up the 
>> standard thermostatic single output switch.  Or worth fitting a two speed 
>> fan as well?  
>> 
>> Still that is why it is worth asking a question on here.  Folks come up with 
>> all sorts of ideas and experiences.  Great!
>> 
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Feb 2020, at 10:27, bill >> <mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The last radiator mounted fan switch I fitted was a dual output for two 
>>> speed fan, one output was 88c the other much higher, I run on the higher 
>>> temperature leg, I’m going to connect both through a common on/on switch so 
>>> I can easily select either 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Feb 2020, at 10:18, Dave English >> <mailto:dandh.engl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Derek
>>>> 
>>>> I had to replace my fan switch last year and ended up with the lower 
>>>> temperature one (88C-95C), my thermostat is the same as yours, an 88C one. 
>>>> If I were you I would go for the 98C to 103C you mentioned because I find 
>>>> the fan can come on with the engine at normal running temperature (needle 
>>>> in the middle), which means it's on a lot more.
>>>> The switch I took out was a 98C to 103C but, as I was doing the 
>>>> replacement with a full water system, I didn't fancy holding my finger 
>>>> over the hole until another switch came through the post!
>>>> The next time I need to drain the system, I'll fit a higher temperature 
>>>> switch. (Shouldn't be long, the increasing differential whine means a 
>>>> replacement gearbox is now required, so I'll need to drop the engine down.)
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> Dave English
>>>> Q2-009
>>>> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] New car effect

[Derek Clews]

I have been followed home in both the Q Coupe and the Avion so the other driver 
could ask about them.  

Sorry not a Quantum story really.  But I went to the pub in the Avion and 
parked right at the back out of the way.  When I came out there was a Ferrari 
parked next to it and a father and son looking at the Avion, ignoring the 
Ferrari.  They preceded to ask me all about it and showed no interest in the F. 
 (I was still interested in it, though) But I suppose you don’t often see some 
nit with a car that has no roof, door or windscreen these days!  

But the funniest one was an offer to buy the Avion.  The first unsolicited 
offer was while I was waiting to SVA it

Interestingly, I would also have said cheap insurance.  Until this week.  The 
only production car we have is a Jag XF.  It has now reached 10 years old and 
Adrian Flux came up with a 37% decrease in premium over last year to £245!  
That is cheaper than the Q Coupe last year.  See what that comes to next time, 
but it has been going up each year.

Derek


> On 9 Feb 2020, at 16:26, Darren Siepka  wrote:
> 
> Yes I agree , I intend to keep my Q's especially in view of the low cost 
> insurance and the tax exemption ( one is the other two in 2025)
> 
> There is one other factor that is priceless,
> Parked up near some very classy expensive OEM cars and getting asked "wow 
> what is that ? Looks smart! "
> 
> Darren
> 
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, 14:26 Derek Clews,  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> HI All,
> 
> Interesting to hear about the new kits that may be coming to market.  I did 
> wonder what the effect of that may be on our existing ones?  Change the 
> resale value?  Raise awareness at least?
> 
> I have built two (and a half) Kits. But I wondered who would buy and build 
> them?  I personally used my 2+2 that I built as a regular car and commuted in 
> it since 2001. And then the coupe also when finished off.  We have now 
> retired and we do not need 2 (or 3) regular cars anymore.  I plan to keep 
> mine on the road and use them at this point.  
> 
> I also have a very impractical Blackjack Avion for fine days.  I note that 
> the trend in Kits is for the more outrageous and impractical kits to keep 
> their value and more practical ones to behave like production cars and 
> devalue.  I have certainly been offered as much as it cost to build for my 
> Avion and I think with a bit of effort I could get a some more.  
> 
> It has been a sore topic of discussion just how little Q’s seem to be worth 
> secondhand.  Certainly a lot less than their non-rusting practicality.  I did 
> for a while consider selling all three of my kits and building one other as a 
> replacement.  In the end I decided that cars are not the place to put any 
> money in retirement and I would spend on other things and keep what I had 
> serviceable with slow-time rebuilds, using SORN to keep costs down.  
> 
> What do you think?  
> 
> ATB
> 
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[Quantum Owners] New car effect

[Derek Clews]

HI All,

Interesting to hear about the new kits that may be coming to market.  I did 
wonder what the effect of that may be on our existing ones?  Change the resale 
value?  Raise awareness at least?

I have built two (and a half) Kits. But I wondered who would buy and build 
them?  I personally used my 2+2 that I built as a regular car and commuted in 
it since 2001. And then the coupe also when finished off.  We have now retired 
and we do not need 2 (or 3) regular cars anymore.  I plan to keep mine on the 
road and use them at this point.  

I also have a very impractical Blackjack Avion for fine days.  I note that the 
trend in Kits is for the more outrageous and impractical kits to keep their 
value and more practical ones to behave like production cars and devalue.  I 
have certainly been offered as much as it cost to build for my Avion and I 
think with a bit of effort I could get a some more.  

It has been a sore topic of discussion just how little Q’s seem to be worth 
secondhand.  Certainly a lot less than their non-rusting practicality.  I did 
for a while consider selling all three of my kits and building one other as a 
replacement.  In the end I decided that cars are not the place to put any money 
in retirement and I would spend on other things and keep what I had serviceable 
with slow-time rebuilds, using SORN to keep costs down.  

What do you think?  

ATB

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator repalcement questions

[Derek Clews]

Hi Bill,

So you found an unusual replacement, then?  Just wondering what advantage that 
would give in real world conditions over a manual switch to back up the 
standard thermostatic single output switch.  Or worth fitting a two speed fan 
as well?  

Still that is why it is worth asking a question on here.  Folks come up with 
all sorts of ideas and experiences.  Great!

Derek


> On 8 Feb 2020, at 10:27, bill  wrote:
> 
> The last radiator mounted fan switch I fitted was a dual output for two speed 
> fan, one output was 88c the other much higher, I run on the higher 
> temperature leg, I’m going to connect both through a common on/on switch so I 
> can easily select either 
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Feb 2020, at 10:18, Dave English  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Derek
>> 
>> I had to replace my fan switch last year and ended up with the lower 
>> temperature one (88C-95C), my thermostat is the same as yours, an 88C one. 
>> If I were you I would go for the 98C to 103C you mentioned because I find 
>> the fan can come on with the engine at normal running temperature (needle in 
>> the middle), which means it's on a lot more.
>> The switch I took out was a 98C to 103C but, as I was doing the replacement 
>> with a full water system, I didn't fancy holding my finger over the hole 
>> until another switch came through the post!
>> The next time I need to drain the system, I'll fit a higher temperature 
>> switch. (Shouldn't be long, the increasing differential whine means a 
>> replacement gearbox is now required, so I'll need to drop the engine down.)
>> 
>> Regards
>> Dave English
>> Q2-009
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Radiator repalcement questions

[Derek Clews]

Thanks Dave,

Good point. I will go for a 103-98C I think.   

Also thanks Susan 

Derek

> On 8 Feb 2020, at 10:18, Dave English  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Derek
> 
> I had to replace my fan switch last year and ended up with the lower 
> temperature one (88C-95C), my thermostat is the same as yours, an 88C one. If 
> I were you I would go for the 98C to 103C you mentioned because I find the 
> fan can come on with the engine at normal running temperature (needle in the 
> middle), which means it's on a lot more.
> The switch I took out was a 98C to 103C but, as I was doing the replacement 
> with a full water system, I didn't fancy holding my finger over the hole 
> until another switch came through the post!
> The next time I need to drain the system, I'll fit a higher temperature 
> switch. (Shouldn't be long, the increasing differential whine means a 
> replacement gearbox is now required, so I'll need to drop the engine down.)
> 
> Regards
> Dave English
> Q2-009
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[Quantum Owners] Radiator repalcement questions

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Need to replace the coupe radiator as it is split.  Items available on ebay and 
elsewhere. 

Looking at the job it looks like you have to remove the nose cone to replace 
it.  Or do you know of a way to get round that?

While the coolant system is empty I thought I would replace the thermostat and 
fan switch and check the wiring as they are relatively cheap and both seem to 
give regular trouble over the medium term.  Also thought I should run a manual 
fan switch for summer traffic queues peace of mind as well.  

The Haynes manual has the spec for the thermostat temperature (opening 85C to 
89C) but not the fan switch temperature.  I am looking at Lucas SNB710.  The 
part seems to be the right fan switch and is says from 103C and to 98C which 
sounds fine but others I found were lower figures and of doubtful parentage!  
Can anyone confirm the right temperatures?

I know the instrument is not very accurate, but what temperature is the start 
of the red arc on the top of the ford temp gauge?  I now have an infrared 
thermometer and can do some proper checking. 

Thanks

Derek. 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Tax exempt?

[Derek Clews]

Interesting.  So the Logbook needs to read historic?  I wondered if that had 
changed as we don’t do tax discs anymore and the whole taxing process is more 
automated online.  

Showing my ignorance here but what donor is the 1978 car?  That would be Fiesta 
Mk1?  

They certainly have changed the reg system over the years, then.  

ATB

Derek


> On 24 Jan 2020, at 13:06, Darren Siepka  wrote:
> 
> To change the log book you need to apply for tax in the post office.
> Complete section 7 tax class, change to historic.
> They will give you your free tax disc and send off the logbook to be changed.
> 
> All three of my quantum only have a single date of registration.all are 
> correctly registered as the appropriate quantum type.
> On one there is a note on front page in sect3 special notes: states 1.kit 
> built converted- assembled from parts all of which may not be new.
> 
> There are no other notes or comments.
> My saloon is dated 85 , one 2-2 86 and one is 78.
> I don't know about the other two but the 78 2-2 I built and kept its doner 
> reg in full
> They all only have simple rivet on plates that old q used to issue.
> 
> On Fri, 24 Jan 2020, 12:51 Derek Clews,  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Cheers Jim,
> 
> Good point.  I have forgotten it was as late as 1998 SVA came in.  Both kits 
> I built myself were early 2000’s and SVA’ed.  My Coupe (which I did not 
> build) has a single 1986 age.  On the tax free issue, you get road tax 
> online. And you have to apply for it as usual but pay nothing.  So I sort of 
> assume that if the reg date is 40 year or more ago you pay nothing with no 
> human intervention?  
> 
> Interestingly my chassis number is a long format one but I was allowed to 
> rivet a pre-stamped plate on the 2+2 frame and another on the fibreglass 
> body.  That was Aberdeen in 2001.  My Blackjack Avion number came moulded 
> into the fibreglass body tub.  That was 2004.
> 
> Derek
> 
> 
>> On 24 Jan 2020, at 12:41, Jim Hearne > <mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> >I would say most Quantum’s are pre-SVA
>>  
>> Except for the Xtreme’s
>>  
>> Jim
>>  
>>  
>> From: Jim Hearne <>
>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 12:40 PM
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Tax exempt?
>>  
>> I would say most Quantum’s are pre-SVA
>> My 2+2 is probably the closed pre-SVA, i took the paperwork down to the 
>> local VRO office the evening of the very last day before the SVA came into 
>> force in 1998
>> My 2+2 is a B reg, not the donor reg but another allocated one. It has 2 
>> dates on the registration, 1985 (donor age) and 1998 (registration date).
>>  
>> The trouble was all the different VRO offices had different interpretations 
>> of the rules. 
>> Mine let me have the chassis number as Q2-099 but i know many other VRO said 
>> it had to be a minimum length.
>> I was also allowed to have my chassis plate screwed on, other VRO insisted 
>> the chassis number was stamped into the spaceframe.
>>  
>> A lot of older kit cars were still registered as the donor car, for quite a 
>> while you could get it corrected by the DVLA without a problem but nowadays 
>> it’s a lot of hassle.
>>  
>> Jim
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Derek Clews <>
>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 12:25 PM
>> To: Quantum Owners Forum <>
>> Cc: Derek Clews <>
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Tax exempt?
>>  
>> Hi Daren,
>>  
>> Thanks for the info.  That would seems to indicate it is the reg doc date.
>>  
>> My Q 2+2 which I built was SVA’ed and given a first registered 2001 as a 
>> Quantum but age related plate due to donor parts qualifying as 1989.  So 
>> which age is zero tax reference? 
>>  
>> Were the older Q’ss even pre SVA?  I know there was some issue about a few 
>> kit cars that were not registered correctly as the Kit type they became.  
>> But my Coupe certainly is registered as a Quantum, but just 1986 still.  My 
>> Son’s Coupe is a Q plate, but registered to donor date.  So many 
>> combinations.  If the reference is the plate a Q can never be tax free as 
>> there is not associated age, but the 2+2 is only 9 years away from tax free. 
>>  If it is the reg doc date new ball game and Q’s can be tax exempt. 
>>  
>> Derek 
>> 
>>> On 24 Jan 2020, at 09:06, Darren Siepka > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi, yes my 2+2 has already gone over her 40.
>>> She was a pre sva build on an s plate
>>> There are no notes on the v5 

Re: [Quantum Owners] Tax exempt?

[Derek Clews]

Cheers Jim,

Good point.  I have forgotten it was as late as 1998 SVA came in.  Both kits I 
built myself were early 2000’s and SVA’ed.  My Coupe (which I did not build) 
has a single 1986 age.  On the tax free issue, you get road tax online. And you 
have to apply for it as usual but pay nothing.  So I sort of assume that if the 
reg date is 40 year or more ago you pay nothing with no human intervention?  

Interestingly my chassis number is a long format one but I was allowed to rivet 
a pre-stamped plate on the 2+2 frame and another on the fibreglass body.  That 
was Aberdeen in 2001.  My Blackjack Avion number came moulded into the 
fibreglass body tub.  That was 2004.

Derek


> On 24 Jan 2020, at 12:41, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> >I would say most Quantum’s are pre-SVA
>  
> Except for the Xtreme’s
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> From: Jim Hearne <>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 12:40 PM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Tax exempt?
>  
> I would say most Quantum’s are pre-SVA
> My 2+2 is probably the closed pre-SVA, i took the paperwork down to the local 
> VRO office the evening of the very last day before the SVA came into force in 
> 1998
> My 2+2 is a B reg, not the donor reg but another allocated one. It has 2 
> dates on the registration, 1985 (donor age) and 1998 (registration date).
>  
> The trouble was all the different VRO offices had different interpretations 
> of the rules. 
> Mine let me have the chassis number as Q2-099 but i know many other VRO said 
> it had to be a minimum length.
> I was also allowed to have my chassis plate screwed on, other VRO insisted 
> the chassis number was stamped into the spaceframe.
>  
> A lot of older kit cars were still registered as the donor car, for quite a 
> while you could get it corrected by the DVLA without a problem but nowadays 
> it’s a lot of hassle.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
>  
> From: Derek Clews <>
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> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Tax exempt?
>  
> Hi Daren,
>  
> Thanks for the info.  That would seems to indicate it is the reg doc date.
>  
> My Q 2+2 which I built was SVA’ed and given a first registered 2001 as a 
> Quantum but age related plate due to donor parts qualifying as 1989.  So 
> which age is zero tax reference? 
>  
> Were the older Q’ss even pre SVA?  I know there was some issue about a few 
> kit cars that were not registered correctly as the Kit type they became.  But 
> my Coupe certainly is registered as a Quantum, but just 1986 still.  My Son’s 
> Coupe is a Q plate, but registered to donor date.  So many combinations.  If 
> the reference is the plate a Q can never be tax free as there is not 
> associated age, but the 2+2 is only 9 years away from tax free.  If it is the 
> reg doc date new ball game and Q’s can be tax exempt. 
>  
> Derek 
> 
>> On 24 Jan 2020, at 09:06, Darren Siepka > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, yes my 2+2 has already gone over her 40.
>> She was a pre sva build on an s plate
>> There are no notes on the v5 showing when it was converted to a Quantum.
>> The area around q reg is very confusing , with some saying they have and 
>> some not.
>> Darren
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2020, 08:38 Derek Clews, > wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I understand that after a rolling 40 years your car is classic tax exempt.  
>>> In the next few years are any of our Quantums falling into that category?  
>>> I realised one of my Q’s is registered as 1986.  Must be the original donor 
>>> date……….. but that’s what is on the document.  Does anyone know what 
>>> happens about Q plate cars do they also get the tax exempt?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Tax exempt?

[Derek Clews]

Hi Daren,

Thanks for the info.  That would seems to indicate it is the reg doc date.

My Q 2+2 which I built was SVA’ed and given a first registered 2001 as a 
Quantum but age related plate due to donor parts qualifying as 1989.  So which 
age is zero tax reference?  

Were the older Q’ss even pre SVA?  I know there was some issue about a few kit 
cars that were not registered correctly as the Kit type they became.  But my 
Coupe certainly is registered as a Quantum, but just 1986 still.  My Son’s 
Coupe is a Q plate, but registered to donor date.  So many combinations.  If 
the reference is the plate a Q can never be tax free as there is not associated 
age, but the 2+2 is only 9 years away from tax free.  If it is the reg doc date 
new ball game and Q’s can be tax exempt.  

Derek 

> On 24 Jan 2020, at 09:06, Darren Siepka  wrote:
> 
> Hi, yes my 2+2 has already gone over her 40. 
> She was a pre sva build on an s plate
> There are no notes on the v5 showing when it was converted to a Quantum.
> The area around q reg is very confusing , with some saying they have and some 
> not.
> Darren
> 
> 
> On Fri, 24 Jan 2020, 08:38 Derek Clews,  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I understand that after a rolling 40 years your car is classic tax exempt.  
> In the next few years are any of our Quantums falling into that category?  I 
> realised one of my Q’s is registered as 1986.  Must be the original donor 
> date……….. but that’s what is on the document.  Does anyone know what happens 
> about Q plate cars do they also get the tax exempt?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Derek
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[Quantum Owners] Tax exempt?

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

I understand that after a rolling 40 years your car is classic tax exempt.  In 
the next few years are any of our Quantums falling into that category?  I 
realised one of my Q’s is registered as 1986.  Must be the original donor 
date……….. but that’s what is on the document.  Does anyone know what happens 
about Q plate cars do they also get the tax exempt?

Cheers

Derek

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[Quantum Owners] Fuel pumps

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

As I am changing the engine now is the time for mods.  Do you think it is best 
to fit an electric fuel pump to a Carb’ed Q when the time comes to replace the 
old mechanical one?  I have found a replacement mechanical one for £32.

If so, what pump do you recommend for the 1600CVH?  

Cheers

Derek

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[Quantum Owners] Fuel Pipe Leaks

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Happy New Year.  Hands dirty again.  Got back to work on one of the Q’s and all 
well until running it and smelled petrol and found it running out of a fuel 
pipe onto the garage floor.  Had to drop the tank and replaced both flex hoses 
to the top of the tank.  Fitted the P9 for ethanol.  The ‘old’ ones were not 
that old but only P6 spec.  One pipe was through in multiple places with a 
multitude of cracks.   Definitely not chafing.  So a timely reminder - those 
hoses need updating as we go through other jobs…….


ATB

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Insurance

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Good one Bill,  

You must be one clean living and driving individual!  What mileage?  Is that 
commuting to work as well?  Seems that there are a lot of reason for different 
prices…. 

I had not seen the laid up to road combo before.

ATB

Derek

> On 25 Nov 2019, at 18:02, bill  wrote:
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> I’ve been using 2-gether insurance for several years for both my kit cars, 
> never paid more than £125 fully comp, are they any good? After my no fault 
> accident I was paid out in less than five weeks, good enough for me.
> Bill
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>> On 25 Nov 2019, at 16:18, Derek Clews  wrote:
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>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Someone might be interested, hope it helps.  Just re-insured the 2+2.  In 
>> the end Adrian Flux did a hybrid insurance for me as I am just about to SORN 
>> the car for winter overhaul.  So it was a Laid Up policy of £70 for the year 
>> and simply call them when I want to go back on road and pay the pro - rata 
>> of a pre agreed road policy price. i.e. just right to get it MOT’ed and 
>> sorted again next year.  
>> 
>> Interesting that I had to describe the (I would have thought - fairly 
>> normal) situation and the helpful adviser when looking and found one.  
>> 
>> Footman James was £85 laid up or full bells and whistles of £280.  Did not 
>> seem to want to offer anything else.  
>> 
>> ATB
>> 
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[Quantum Owners] Insurance

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

Someone might be interested, hope it helps.  Just re-insured the 2+2.  In the 
end Adrian Flux did a hybrid insurance for me as I am just about to SORN the 
car for winter overhaul.  So it was a Laid Up policy of £70 for the year and 
simply call them when I want to go back on road and pay the pro - rata of a pre 
agreed road policy price. i.e. just right to get it MOT’ed and sorted again 
next year.  

Interesting that I had to describe the (I would have thought - fairly normal) 
situation and the helpful adviser when looking and found one.  

Footman James was £85 laid up or full bells and whistles of £280.  Did not seem 
to want to offer anything else.  

ATB

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: New Tech for us?

[Derek Clews]

Probably the end of car photography, then?  Still, it would settle all those 
discussions about the best colour for your car.

Derek


> On 20 Nov 2019, at 19:41, 'Jamest142' via Quantum Owners Group 
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> Hi
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> I had one of these around 6 months ago, put it down, but now can't find it...
> 
> Sorry - had to be done :)
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> Best regards
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[Quantum Owners] New Tech for us?

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

Was struck by this..  Quantum Stealth Technology.   The latest new thing to fit 
to our cars?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7689095/The-incredible-INVISIBILITY-SHIELD-make-objects-disappear.html?ns_mchannel=rss=taboola_feed_desktop_sciencetech
 


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Alternator Fiesta/ Quantum

[Derek Clews]

Thanks all,

Always seems to be the way that nothing is simple……..

Cheers

Derek



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> Hi
> 
> Also make sure you get the correct left or right handed one.  I have not long 
> purchased a new alternator for Q2-002, and the way the adjuster bracket was 
> mounted, I have to obtain a unit for a OHV engine, not a CVH engine.  The 
> adjuster bracket for the CVH should go over the alternator, but on mine it 
> fouls the chassis upright, but mounting it under means it fits properly.
> 
> Mine is a 55Amp unit, and it works with the connector on the loom, not sure 
> if the higher Amp units have separate terminals to screw to?  
> 
> It works well, I got it via eBay from aapoldham, they were understanding when 
> I got the wrong one originally.
> 
> Best regards
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> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, 8 November 2019 15:25:46 UTC, Derek Clews wrote:
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> Looking around it seems there may be a choice of a CVH petrol alternator 
> giving 55A and a diesel one with 70A output.  Does anyone know if the diesel 
> one fits the petrol engine?  If so is it worth the larger one? 
> 
> Thanks 
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[Quantum Owners] Future

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

There seems to be more news of car restrictions in various locations.  Now no 
diesels in central Bristol and no older cars in all London without £12 per day 
payment.  Does anyone in the club know if the various organisations that cover 
classics and kits are getting together and asking for exemptions for their 
cars?  Or any plans to organise any response?

Thanks

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[Quantum Owners] Alternator Fiesta/ Quantum

[Derek Clews]

HI All,

Looking around it seems there may be a choice of a CVH petrol alternator giving 
55A and a diesel one with 70A output.  Does anyone know if the diesel one fits 
the petrol engine?  If so is it worth the larger one?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon sunroof

[Derek Clews]

Yes, It was the ‘almost’ fit of an alternative that made me opt for full solid 
roof.  Even the major makes do not give long term support/warranty to the 
sunroof models.  The car body is bound to outlive the sunroof (again).  Fine 
for your average car as it is throw away.  When you buy a Quantum you can have 
it for life and refresh any bits you need to along the way.  But a sunroof seem 
to be particularly problematical in that it is bound to leak, it is just when.  

Derek


> On 1 Oct 2019, at 16:55, TonyV  wrote:
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> My second saloon also has one of those pesky sunroofs, and sure enough it 
> leaks like a seive.  With the car currently SORNed, I'm using a piece of old 
> paddling pool to keep the water out. 
> 
> I didn't much like the idea of glassing it up solid, so I started looking for 
> an alternative.
> 
> Turns out a Freelander sunroof is almost the right size, so I bought one on 
> ebay with a view to modifying the car to take it. But due to a new job, I 
> never got round to doing anything more than that.  
> 
> From memory the width is a bit narrower and length is about right, so a bit 
> of fibreglassing required.
> 
> It also has small drain tubes, so would need some way of emptying these to 
> ground. 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon sunroof

[Derek Clews]

I did wonder about having a fixed glass panel permanently set in the roof 
instead.  But Eddie (rightly) persuaded me it would be more work and cost to 
install than restore the roof to solid.  But if you want a challenge, give it a 
go.  it would be unique.  

Cheers

Derek



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>  MarcoThanks for info guys.
> I have not dismantled my sunroof yet (large original type) but it is obvious 
> there have been previous attempts to fix/seal it .
> I am more inclined to blank it off than try and fix seals. In my experience 
> sunroofs are often more trouble than they're worth. 
> Many years ago I had a mk1 Lotus Cortina with large webasto sunroof which 
> always used to bow outwards at high speed (so so we cut it out and replaced 
> with alloy panel) - similar story with a big Marcos kit car. Earlier this 
> year I had to fix the glass sunroof on my daughter's Clio so they don't seem 
> to have improved much over the years! I think the only type I have never had 
> a problem with were the steel sliding panel type with a manual wining handle.
> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon sunroof

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Both of our family coupe’s have had Eddie fit the full GRP roof after faulty 
sunroof problems.  We both left the roof solid but you could cut a different 
sunroof in, if you want. It works well and, if I want open air motoring I have 
the 2+2 to drive.  (Why you need at least 2 Quantums, part 2.!)  

Derek




> On 1 Oct 2019, at 09:06, rob hancock  wrote:
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> Hi
> We have the mould for the roof section here at QSC and will be happy to 
> supply a blank or we can supply and fit for you
> regards rob (QSC)
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> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 7:58 AM John R  > wrote:
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> Has anyone removed the sunroof and fitted a blanking panel?
> 
> I read somewhere on forums that at one time there was a grp blanking panel 
> available from Eddie Ruskin/Dynamic Mouldings.
> 
> John
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon rear window

[Derek Clews]

Hi John,

Eddie added a beam across the back of the roof.  I believe it is a foam core 
and overlaid with glass fibre.  I am sure he would give you details if you 
wanted to do the same.  The wiring was laid in and I added the lights for the 
rear afterwards in both cars. Mine has a slightly different arrangement than 
Colin’s, giving me a fore and aft style fitting.  Colin's is across the car.  
Fun with glass fibre!  It can be whatever you want.  Of course it needs to be 
added with the rear screen in to get the right shape.  

ATB

Derek



> On 10 Sep 2019, at 21:54, John R  wrote:
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> Hi
> 
> What method exactly is used to stiffen rear of roof?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 2:22:54 PM UTC+1, Derek Clews wrote:
> Hi Russ,
> 
> When Eddie Ruskin did my repaint that was how mine was finished and it looks 
> fine.  My son’s has trim and I just got a generic one of a convenient cross 
> section size to fit and rested it on adhesive using the trim to fill the gap 
> around the outside.  That looks fine also, but can come loose, which the glue 
> cannot. But if you want a more ‘finished look’ that many be the way for you.  
> 
> Don’t bother with the old style strip.  At one time there seemed to be an 
> idea that you had to tension up the screen against the frame aperture to get 
> a good fit and the screen rested on rubber.  I f.  ind that’s not necessary.  
> What can be a problem is a lack of rigidity of the rear roof around the rear 
> screen.  You may need to provide extra support.  Both of ours have been 
> strengthened inside by Eddie so they do not distort.  It also provides a 
> handy place for a rear seat overhead light and wiring!  
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Derek
> 
>> On 9 Sep 2019, at 13:42, Jim Hearne quantums.info 
>> <http://quantums.info/>> wrote:
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>> When i refitted the rear screen on mine i didn’t put the filler strip in, i 
>> just filled the gap up with more of the bonding glue and wiped it off smooth.
>> Looks neater than the filler strip IMO.
>>  
>> Jim
>>  
>>  
>> From: russ price <>
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>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Saloon rear window
>>  
>> The rear window on my saloon needs rebonding and there is currently no 
>> filler strip fitted. The questions i need help with are :- What Mk of 
>> Cavalier is the filler strip from? Are they still available? What is the 
>> purpose of the filler strip, the bonded side windows do not use them, do 
>> they?
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon rear window

[Derek Clews]

Hi Russ,

When Eddie Ruskin did my repaint that was how mine was finished and it looks 
fine.  My son’s has trim and I just got a generic one of a convenient cross 
section size to fit and rested it on adhesive using the trim to fill the gap 
around the outside.  That looks fine also, but can come loose, which the glue 
cannot. But if you want a more ‘finished look’ that many be the way for you.  

Don’t bother with the old style strip.  At one time there seemed to be an idea 
that you had to tension up the screen against the frame aperture to get a good 
fit and the screen rested on rubber.  I find that’s not necessary.  What can be 
a problem is a lack of rigidity of the rear roof around the rear screen.  You 
may need to provide extra support.  Both of ours have been strengthened inside 
by Eddie so they do not distort.  It also provides a handy place for a rear 
seat overhead light and wiring!  

Good luck.

Derek

> On 9 Sep 2019, at 13:42, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> When i refitted the rear screen on mine i didn’t put the filler strip in, i 
> just filled the gap up with more of the bonding glue and wiped it off smooth.
> Looks neater than the filler strip IMO.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> From: russ price <>
> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 1:20 PM
> To: Quantum Owners Group <>
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Saloon rear window
>  
> The rear window on my saloon needs rebonding and there is currently no filler 
> strip fitted. The questions i need help with are :- What Mk of Cavalier is 
> the filler strip from? Are they still available? What is the purpose of the 
> filler strip, the bonded side windows do not use them, do they?
> Any help appreciated - Russ
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Q2+2 maunal location

[Derek Clews]

Thanks, got it. Very useful.

ATB

Derek


> On 2 Sep 2019, at 09:36, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
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> The QOC website?  Currently only the H4 manual is missing.
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> https://www.quantumowners.club/index.php/faq-qoc/32-faq-22/326-2-2-build-manual
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> Regards,
> Steve
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> On 01/09/2019 10:00, Derek Clews wrote:
>> Dear All,
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>> Sorry, the inevitable question.  Where is the pdf manual for the 2+2?
>> 
>> Derek
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[Quantum Owners] Q2+2 maunal location

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Sorry, the inevitable question.  Where is the pdf manual for the 2+2?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 steering wheel wobble

[Derek Clews]

Hi Mark,

Got 2 Coupes and a 2+2 in the family garage , along with a Blackjack Avion 3 
wheeler;-)

I had a similar thing on my coupe (finishing someone else’s project off) when I 
first got it fixed up and had to try multiple changes to make it get better.  

If a car has been sitting around outside for a while the bearings can get water 
in them and rust will set in.  That happened on my son’s coupe, had to replace 
some bearings when we first got it.  Brakes will seize on or partly on and need 
to be freed off.  Sometimes a disc can warp due to a partially seized brake 
calliper rubbing the pad on the disc as it drives, overheating it.  Really an 
unused car needs more care than a used one and should be thoroughly checked 
when put back into service after a break off the road.  

But start with the simple things. One of the wheel balance weights had fallen 
off mine so that helped when it was put right!  Then logically check until you 
find the answer(s).  

I found that my coupe was a bit of a saga. Brakes were sticking and a (not so!) 
obvious omission was there were no spigot rings fitted to the alloy wheels so 
they bolted up in slightly out of true positions and different each time!  The 
drive shaft bearings where worn and I fitted refurbished driveshafts.   All 
these things made it better each time, but not right until I checked the front 
hub runout with a dial gauge and found one was distorted which made the disc 
wobble - most noticeable when braking.  It was replaced and I ended up fitting 
the discs back on using the gauge to get the best fit.  It has been fine for 
years since.  

I now try and make sure each car used used every month at least, winter and 
summer even though I am now doing very few miles a year.  

On my 2+2 I run R14 but at 26 PSI front and rear seems to work OK.   Good tyre 
wear patterns and handling. 

Enjoy Quntum’ing.  They are very engaging to drive and each have their own 
character.  

Best of Luck 

Derek



> On 11 Aug 2019, at 12:40, Dave English  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark.
> 
> You're right, you shouldn't be getting wheel wobble, although a tiny (and I 
> do mean tiny) amount is possible on most cars because wheels are normally 
> balanced off the hub.
> Getting the front wheels balanced should fix your steering wheel wobble.
> 
> As for the torque steer, most front wheel drive cars have a little but it's 
> an acceleration thing, not really a fixed speed thing, so can I assume you 
> mean that it's pulling to one side?
> As the car has been standing for a while it may be worth looking for a 
> binding brake (or one not working properly on the other side), front or rear. 
> In the past I have had front calipers binding. Even now, after replacing 
> calipers and bearings, my front left has a little more rolling resistance 
> than my front right, but it doesn't show on the road any more than any other 
> car I've driven.
> 
> Can't really help with the tyre pressures as I run 185/60 R14 tyres on mine, 
> but, if it's any help I have 25psi on the fronts and 20psi on the rears.
> 
> Hope this is of some use.
> 
> Regards
> Dave English
> Q2-009
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Nose Cone Wiring

[Derek Clews]

Thanks Jim,

Interesting that I found it difficult to find a Type A 30/40A for sale on the 
web.  

I found I could remove the contacts for the block so have changed to type B 
now.  Still it has saved me a wiring job, I was planning to start from scratch 
with new as I had not done the original wiring on the coupe and did not know 
how good it was under the wrap.  

Derek





> On 6 Aug 2019, at 09:40, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> There have always been 2 different standards for “Normal” relays on cars A 
> type and B type.
> I expect it was the usual UK V others like wiring colours.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> From: Derek Clews <>
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 6:52 PM
> To: Quantum Owners Forum <>
> Cc: Derek Clews <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Nose Cone Wiring
>  
> HI All,
>  
> Checking through my wiring again and found the wiring fault is a 
> transposition of wiring terminals in the relay socket.  The original one was 
> a type A and it seems everything for sale aftermarket now is a type B.  The 
> pins 30 & 86 are reversed.  They are the constant 12V and Earth on the 
> diagram!
>  
> Continuity checking the wiring and it all seems OK otherwise.  The motor 
> still runs correctly when isolated and powered by external battery, just not 
> given the right signal due to the relay/wiring configuration. 
>  
> Found a website that explained it. 
>  
> https://www.12voltplanet.co.uk/relay-guide.html 
> <https://www.12voltplanet.co.uk/relay-guide.html>
>  
> Did not even know it was a possible to have a difference.  So pass it on to 
> stop us being caught out.
>  
> Was type A a flasher relay perhaps?
>  
> ATB
>  
> Derek
>  
>  
> 
>> On 4 Aug 2019, at 15:03, kynastonp . > wrote:
>>  
>> If you want a neat package and 1000 volts peak reverse volts try digi-key 
>> part number gbpc3510-nd  even has a hole for a mounting bolt. All the diodes 
>> do is drive the relay to position the headlamp cover motors so only the coil 
>> current of the relay is passed through the diode.
>> 
>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <> > 
>> on behalf of Julian Coleman >
>> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 2:35:49 PM
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <> >
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Nose Cone Wiring
>> ,
>> 10A is certainly enough current handling capacity for a couple of indicators 
>> and it may well be that the diodes are not subjected to significant back 
>> emf.  
>>  
>> If it's working, they're probably fine. But if it fails, consider getting a 
>> diode with a higher reverse voltage rating. Of course getting one that is 
>> encapsulated is not going to be easy, but there are easy ways to solve that 
>> problem.
>>  
>> Meanwhile, don't worry.
>>  
>> Julian Coleman
>> City Audio Services
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From:
>>> quantumowners@googlegroups.com <>
>>>  
>>> To:
>>> >
>>> Cc:
>>>  
>>> Sent:
>>> Sun, 4 Aug 2019 13:04:11 +0100
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: [Quantum Owners] Nose Cone Wiring
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Eek, I didn't know there were different sizes..
>>> 
>>> When I rewired mine I got these from car builders solutions.
>>> 
>>> https://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/silicon-diode 
>>> <https://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/silicon-diode>
>>> 
>>> They seem to work and they were the only diodes they sell.
>>> 
>>> Chris G
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: Derek Clews
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 8:59 PM
>>> To: Quantum Owners Club
>>> Cc: Derek Clews
>>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Nose Cone Wiring
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> In the Q manual the nose cone wiring has two diodes. The values required 
>>> are not mentioned. What was the Quantum spec?
>>> 
>>> I appreciate it is in a 12V system so 15 or 16 volt would cover, but does 
>>> anyone know the minimum wattage?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Nose Cone Wiring

[Derek Clews]

Thanks All,

Looks like I can get some of the recommended ones from e(vil)bay.  

Cheers

Derek


> On 4 Aug 2019, at 07:25, 'Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> The diodes mentioned earlier, 1N4005, have a reverse voltage rating of 600v 
> which is more than adequate.
> 
> Best regards
> Bill Allison
> 
> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 06:34:43 BST, Julian Coleman 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I don't know that circuit is doing or what loads there are on it,  but I'd 
> opt for something of a considerably higher reverse rating than 15V. When a 
> coil is switched off it will create a considerable voltage spike when the 
> energy is removed. What that voltage is will depend on the coil and the way 
> the energy is cut - the more abrupt (eg a switch/relay), the higher the 
> voltage. Since diodes are available in versions with inverse ratings of 100s 
> of volts, this is neither difficult nor expensive.
> 
> Julian Coleman
> City Audio Services
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
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> To:
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> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Sat, 3 Aug 2019 23:24:24 +0100
> Subject:
> Re: [Quantum Owners] Nose Cone Wiring
> 
> 
> The diodes supplied were 1N4005 , 5 amp diodes . all they are doing is 
> driving the coil of a relay when either the sidelights or the headlamp main 
> beam flash is used  so 5 amp should be more than adequate. I used a bridge 
> rectifier on mine as it is easy to mount and comes with Lucas spade 
> connectors , needs a bit of care to get the right diodes ~~ to 
> sidelight/headlamp and- to relay coil .
> 
> On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 23:13 Derek Clews,  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> In the Q manual the nose cone wiring has two diodes.  The values required are 
> not mentioned.  What was the Quantum spec? 
> 
> I appreciate it is in a 12V system so 15 or 16 volt would cover, but does 
> anyone know the minimum wattage?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Derek
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[Quantum Owners] Nose Cone Wiring

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

In the Q manual the nose cone wiring has two diodes.  The values required are 
not mentioned.  What was the Quantum spec? 

I appreciate it is in a 12V system so 15 or 16 volt would cover, but does 
anyone know the minimum wattage?

Thanks

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

[Derek Clews]

Hi Bill, 

So sorry to hear what has happened.Glad you were OK and best wishes for full 
recovery. 

I too was out in a kit car today to enjoy the weather. (this time my Blackjack 
Avion 3 wheeler - no windscreen or roof)  It could happen to any of us, any 
day.   

On the plus side sounds like the car did it’s job and took the punishment for 
you.  Lots of choices ahead?  Good luck with the insurance folk.  I recently 
discovered they are not all bad.  Some quite helpful.  

ATB

Derek


> On 23 Jul 2019, at 18:31, bill  wrote:
> 
> 
> We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather being so 
> nice, anyway, we were just a few hundred yards from our destination when 
> woman behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I heard the high revs 
> of her fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror to see her inches away 
> before the sickening crash of the impact.We were only at a fast walking pace 
> when she hit, the force of the crash sent us into the back of a RAV4 which 
> didn’t look too bad but apparently has some damage. My H4 will be a write 
> off, the back end is smashed and the body has a good split from the rear 
> window, down the wheel arch, under the car along the floor, to the other 
> side, the front too is badly smashed with the bonnet pushed up and the bumper 
> pushed down.
> Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck pain 
> already.
> I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens next.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Sorry Not There

[Derek Clews]

Hi Martin,

The machine is fine and it has the walking foot.  The owner is not so well and 
so has done little the the last year.  Long story short, I spent months off 
sick, have been refused 50% part time and so I am now working my notice to 
early retirement.  Good news is I am now fit and will be available for 
Stoneleigh next year!

2+2 renovation now planned for winter 2019/20.

Derek



> On 3 May 2019, at 16:30, Susan and Martin Scott 
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> That's a shame. I was going to ask you about your sewing machine - so I'll 
> have to ask now... How is it performing, and does it have a 'walking 
> foot'?
> All the best, Martin
> 
> 
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> Dear All
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> Hope you have a great weekend at Stoneleigh.
> 
> I am working through the whole weekend this year and will miss it.
> 
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[Quantum Owners] Sorry Not There

[Derek Clews]

Dear All

Hope you have a great weekend at Stoneleigh.  

I am working through the whole weekend this year and will miss it.  

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Coil springs 2+2

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

Just out of interest I have definitely got a pair KYB springs, RA 1370. (with 
new KYB dampers to match)  Ride 4.1 inches.   

For comparison my Jag XF ride height is 5.3 inches to the engine under tray.  

Found my old unbroken red spring measures 285 mm at the longest on the bench 
after being fitted in 2000 and taken off end 2018…….!  (dia 10.5mm thick coil)  
 Seems very close to the KYB?

Happy drumming Chris. 

Derek







> On 12 Apr 2019, at 15:17, chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> According to my research a few years back (only just spotted it on my notice 
> board).
>  
> KYB;
> Front springs - RA 1370 is 1.6 XR2 at 290mm long
>   - RA 1196 is 1.1 to 1.4 at 308mm long
>  
> Dampers are the same across the range.
>  
> Rear springs – NOT XR2
>  - RA 5045 – 10mm thick – 307mm long
>  - RA 5288 – 11mm thick – 295mm long but stiffer – listed 
> for fiesta van (heavy duty) – I’ve got these on the rear of my saloon as I 
> sometimes needed to carry a drum kit...
>  
> Chris G
>  
> From: 'teegee777' via Quantum Owners Group 
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> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 11:27 AM
> To: Quantum Owners Group 
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Coil springs 2+2
>  
> I got the local autoshop to order me some new compatible coil springs, he 
> came up with KYB K-Flex RA1370 coils springs, for an XR2 1.6. (£42 a pair , 
> 2019 prices). The car passed it's MOT. It seems a lot harder (unfortunately, 
> as I live in the country and I feel the bumps) The car does seem to be 
> slightly higher (they were about 300mm long and 10.4 mm thick coils) Thanks 
> for all your help and suggestions. Is it worth keeping the old red spring for 
> anyone (the unbroken one!), or has it had it's life now?
> 
> On Wednesday, 3 April 2019 08:07:30 UTC+1, teegee777 wrote:
>> 
>> The 2+2 failed its MOT today with just a broken front coil spring, I tried 
>> telling the MOT guy that Quantums have dual springs on the front but he 
>> didn't seem to believe me. I guess this repeats an old train of posts,but 
>> I've trailed through them and can't find a cheap answer ! (I don't want to 
>> change to adjustable Spax). I appear to have red quantum springs, Off the 
>> car they measure about 262mm by 107mm diameter. Is there a modern equivalent 
>> to put on which is about the same size/tension etc? I believe that the 
>> Quantum red springs are no longer available? Thanks Tony
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coil springs 2+2

[Derek Clews]

I have now had a chance to measure my ride heights to the lowest point of the 
gearbox crossmember.  The Coupe I know is lowered and rides at 3.5inches.  The 
2+2 is on the standard springs and shocks with 14 inch wheels but suitably 
thinner rubber giving a neutral effect  and rides at 4.1 inches.

The 2+2 does appear higher than before as said probably due to the broken 
spring and settling.  But I cannot recall the Monroe set up being higher - 
maybe just my memory!  But it will now clear quite high speed bumps.  

ATB

Derek


> On 3 Apr 2019, at 13:14, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> Mine is too low, it has coilovers of a make that i now forget.
> The gearbox crossmember is the lowest point, and on mine the exhaust downpipe 
> isn’t far behind.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> From: Derek Clews <>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 1:00 PM
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> Cc: Derek Clews <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coil springs 2+2
>  
> Out of interest what ride height are people getting on the 2+2?  It looks 
> like the crossmember for the gearbox mount is the lowest unless there is a 
> different exhaust fitted.
>  
> Derek
>  
>  
>  
> 
>> On 3 Apr 2019, at 12:54, Hans Defauwes > wrote:
>>  
>> On my 2+2 I have 1.4 springs
>> Xr2 are to low for all those nasty dutch road bumps/drempels 
>> Hans
>> Van: 'teegee777' via Quantum Owners Group <>
>> Verzonden: ‎3-‎4-‎2019 09:07
>> Aan: Quantum Owners Group <>
>> Onderwerp: [Quantum Owners] Coil springs 2+2
>> 
>> The 2+2 failed its MOT today with just a broken front coil spring, I tried 
>> telling the MOT guy that Quantums have dual springs on the front but he 
>> didn't seem to believe me. I guess this repeats an old train of posts,but 
>> I've trailed through them and can't find a cheap answer ! (I don't want to 
>> change to adjustable Spax). I appear to have red quantum springs, Off the 
>> car they measure about 262mm by 107mm diameter. Is there a modern equivalent 
>> to put on which is about the same size/tension etc? I believe that the 
>> Quantum red springs are no longer available? Thanks Tony
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coil springs 2+2

[Derek Clews]

Out of interest what ride height are people getting on the 2+2?  It looks like 
the crossmember for the gearbox mount is the lowest unless there is a different 
exhaust fitted.

Derek




> On 3 Apr 2019, at 12:54, Hans Defauwes  wrote:
> 
> On my 2+2 I have 1.4 springs
> Xr2 are to low for all those nasty dutch road bumps/drempels 
> Hans
> Van: 'teegee777' via Quantum Owners Group 
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> Verzonden: ‎3-‎4-‎2019 09:07
> Aan: Quantum Owners Group 
> Onderwerp: [Quantum Owners] Coil springs 2+2
> 
> The 2+2 failed its MOT today with just a broken front coil spring, I tried 
> telling the MOT guy that Quantums have dual springs on the front but he 
> didn't seem to believe me. I guess this repeats an old train of posts,but 
> I've trailed through them and can't find a cheap answer ! (I don't want to 
> change to adjustable Spax). I appear to have red quantum springs, Off the car 
> they measure about 262mm by 107mm diameter. Is there a modern equivalent to 
> put on which is about the same size/tension etc? I believe that the Quantum 
> red springs are no longer available? Thanks Tony
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coil springs 2+2

[Derek Clews]

Most likely as it had those springs for 18 years!  I suppose new any type 
of springs would feel better than old broken ones ;-)

Derek

> On 3 Apr 2019, at 10:00, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> The Quantum red front springs on the 2+2 should give a higher ride height 
> than the XR2 springs which were really too low for the 2+2.
> Possibly your red springs had settled a bit over the years so the XR2 ones 
> were actually higher.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Derek Clews <>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 8:50 AM
> To: Quantum Owners Forum <>
> Cc: Derek Clews <>
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coil springs 2+2
>  
> HI Tony,
>  
> I am sure some will disagree but I had the same and want the 2+2 to be on the 
> road for another year before a major renovation.  So I went on ebay and got 
> some XR2 front springs and struts and fitted them.  That was fine for the MOT 
> and cheap.  The ride height is a little higher but not a problem, in fact I 
> have more ground clearance and a slightly softer ride, both of which are 
> welcome. 
>  
> I too am unsure what is the best for long term use, but if you need a quick 
> fix use the standard items.  The job of replacement is relatively quick and 
> easy.
>  
> KYB items springs and struts £90 and strut covers, top bearings and rubbers 
> £43, if you need them.  There is bound to be a custom expensive option which 
> I will consider for the long term future. 
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Derek
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 21:06, 'teegee777' via Quantum Owners Group 
>> > wrote:
>>  
>> The 2+2 failed its MOT today with just a broken front coil spring, I tried 
>> telling the MOT guy that Quantums have dual springs on the front but he 
>> didn't seem to believe me. I guess this repeats an old train of posts,but 
>> I've trailed through them and can't find a cheap answer ! (I don't want to 
>> change to adjustable Spax). I appear to have red quantum springs, Off the 
>> car they measure about 262mm by 107mm diameter. Is there a modern equivalent 
>> to put on which is about the same size/tension etc? I believe that the 
>> Quantum red springs are no longer available? Thanks Tony
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coil springs 2+2

[Derek Clews]

HI Tony,

I am sure some will disagree but I had the same and want the 2+2 to be on the 
road for another year before a major renovation.  So I went on ebay and got 
some XR2 front springs and struts and fitted them.  That was fine for the MOT 
and cheap.  The ride height is a little higher but not a problem, in fact I 
have more ground clearance and a slightly softer ride, both of which are 
welcome.  

I too am unsure what is the best for long term use, but if you need a quick fix 
use the standard items.  The job of replacement is relatively quick and easy. 

KYB items springs and struts £90 and strut covers, top bearings and rubbers 
£43, if you need them.  There is bound to be a custom expensive option which I 
will consider for the long term future.  

Cheers 

Derek





> On 2 Apr 2019, at 21:06, 'teegee777' via Quantum Owners Group 
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> The 2+2 failed its MOT today with just a broken front coil spring, I tried 
> telling the MOT guy that Quantums have dual springs on the front but he 
> didn't seem to believe me. I guess this repeats an old train of posts,but 
> I've trailed through them and can't find a cheap answer ! (I don't want to 
> change to adjustable Spax). I appear to have red quantum springs, Off the car 
> they measure about 262mm by 107mm diameter. Is there a modern equivalent to 
> put on which is about the same size/tension etc? I believe that the Quantum 
> red springs are no longer available? Thanks Tony
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Subframe removal

[Derek Clews]

Hi Darren

For a few pounds you can buy a wire saw on evil-bay.  A set of handles with an 
abrasive wire between.  The kind of things that get sold for outdoors use to 
cut down a tree!  Though you never would.  I was thinking of making up my own 
with wire wound guitar strings - I was just being cheapskate as I have the 
strings anyway.  

You could always take up playing guitar….?!

ATB

Derek






> On 31 Mar 2019, at 19:19, Darren Siepka  wrote:
> 
> Yeouch! That's something I want to avoid.
> I lost a bit when I took my other 2+2 subframe off but it too much.
> 
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019, 18:56 'Mark Jones' via Quantum Owners Group, 
> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> If i remember correctly, one  of the members recommended scoring the glue and 
> pouring white spirit onto it and leaving it a good while, then repeat until 
> it comes away from the tub. I don’t know if it works as I had already pulled 
> mine off along with copious amounts of gelcoat...
> Thankfully Eddie was on hand to sort out my mess!!!
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On 31 Mar 2019, at 15:47, Derek Clews  > <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > H Daren 
> > 
> > I have been thinking of doing mine for a few years now, but events have 
> > conspired against me.  So the current plan is to SORN the 2+2 over this 
> > winter.  I have been saving up some old guitar strings to use as a wire to 
> > pull through and cut the glue where necessary.  I am wondering if the 
> > powder coat will easily pull away from the metal of the frame anyway. Then 
> > I was expecting to be able to cut the adhesive back using a blade and then 
> > some sandpaper to finish.   It would be interesting to see how you get on.  
> > 
> > If the frame is bad, are quantum doing replacements?  Or is it just weld 
> > repair time?  I plan to stick with the CVH for the foreseeable future, but 
> > did wonder if I should alter the frame for Zetec anyway as a future 
> > possibility for someone else, if not me.  What are you doing on that?  
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Derek
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 31 Mar 2019, at 15:32, dar...@siepka.me.uk <mailto:dar...@siepka.me.uk> 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Just checking if my memory is correct.
> >> 
> >> To remove the front subframe on a 2+2 that was factory glued on, to save 
> >> the gelcoat from splitting was the technique to warm with a hot air gun?
> >> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Subframe removal

[Derek Clews]

H Daren 

I have been thinking of doing mine for a few years now, but events have 
conspired against me.  So the current plan is to SORN the 2+2 over this winter. 
 I have been saving up some old guitar strings to use as a wire to pull through 
and cut the glue where necessary.  I am wondering if the powder coat will 
easily pull away from the metal of the frame anyway. Then I was expecting to be 
able to cut the adhesive back using a blade and then some sandpaper to finish.  
 It would be interesting to see how you get on.  

If the frame is bad, are quantum doing replacements?  Or is it just weld repair 
time?  I plan to stick with the CVH for the foreseeable future, but did wonder 
if I should alter the frame for Zetec anyway as a future possibility for 
someone else, if not me.  What are you doing on that?  

Cheers

Derek




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> Just checking if my memory is correct.
> 
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> gelcoat from splitting was the technique to warm with a hot air gun?
> 
> Darren
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Thermostat

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Hi Bill,

Sounds like a Saturday job there!  Full empty, flush and refill before fault 
finding the electrics.  On my CVH's the gauge seems to be well up before the 
fan cuts in. I have even thought of fitting a parallel manual fan switch. But 
to be fair, I rarely get that high and each MOT it cuts in at some point as the 
tester is running the car.  (so no complaints)

Derek



> On 27 Jan 2019, at 17:30, bill  wrote:
> 
> My other kitcar is reading high on the gauge but the fan never cuts in, 
> investigations required to determine whether it’s the sender , gauge, 
> thermostat, fan or fan switch, Pity the heater never gets any warmer.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2019, at 16:28, Derek Clews  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks All,
>> 
>> As thermostats are very basic engineering I wonder what the failure is?  
>> Possibly just poor quality material in the manufacture?  I did boil up the 
>> old one in a pan in the classic way and checked its movement.  It did move 
>> fully but at a lower temperature than it should, it was not seized or stuck 
>> open all the time.  
>> 
>> I notice the Coupe one is getting a bit lazy now..!
>> 
>> Derek
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jan 2019, at 23:34, Susan and Martin Scott 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've had similar experience with genuine Ford thermostats and pattern ones. 
>>> Quinton Hazell parts are a lottery now it seems, as QH went into 
>>> liquidation several years ago and (as I understand it) the various 
>>> 'sectors' were sold to the highest bidders, so the brand means very little 
>>> now. Also in the belief that QH was a quality item (it used to be) I bought 
>>> some track control arms for the Rickman (Escort mk2 parts) One lasted about 
>>> 2k miles until the rubber bush was kaput (I replaced that part) and then 
>>> the ball joint had excessive play (it really was bad!) in a further 1.5k 
>>> miles, so just 3.5k total miles! In contrast the other side (which I 
>>> 'bought' attached to the car) had play (but a lot less) and had done over 
>>> 40 miles in my ownership, so maybe many more. I replaced with 'First Line' 
>>> parts, which were the only ones available to me - we'll see how they last. 
>>> The guy at my MOTstation said it's not uncommon for new parts to fail very 
>>> quickly.
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Derek Clews" 
>>> To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
>>> Cc: "Derek Clews" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:11 AM
>>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Thermostat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> Just replaced my engine coolant thermostat on the 2+2 and noticed the 
>>> previous one was only in the car for 16,000 miles. (but 6 years)  It just 
>>> opened at a cooler and cooler temperature until I felt I needed to change 
>>> it. Of course the new one is fine and helps the car warm up much quicker. 
>>> From my previous experience thermostats seem to be a short lived item in 
>>> the Ford CVH engines compared to others.  This was a Q one (QTH105K) and 
>>> replaced with another I already had on the shelf.  I had thought they were 
>>> an OK brand.  On Amazon someone is selling a ‘Ford’ item.  If it is genuine 
>>> Ford, is it your experience they last longer?
>>> 
>>> On the other hand if you need to replace the thermostat frequently it does 
>>> push you to renew the coolant!
>>> 
>>> Derek
>>> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Thermostat

[Derek Clews]

Thanks All,

As thermostats are very basic engineering I wonder what the failure is?  
Possibly just poor quality material in the manufacture?  I did boil up the old 
one in a pan in the classic way and checked its movement.  It did move fully 
but at a lower temperature than it should, it was not seized or stuck open all 
the time.  

I notice the Coupe one is getting a bit lazy now..!

Derek


> On 26 Jan 2019, at 23:34, Susan and Martin Scott 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've had similar experience with genuine Ford thermostats and pattern ones. 
> Quinton Hazell parts are a lottery now it seems, as QH went into liquidation 
> several years ago and (as I understand it) the various 'sectors' were sold to 
> the highest bidders, so the brand means very little now. Also in the belief 
> that QH was a quality item (it used to be) I bought some track control arms 
> for the Rickman (Escort mk2 parts) One lasted about 2k miles until the rubber 
> bush was kaput (I replaced that part) and then the ball joint had excessive 
> play (it really was bad!) in a further 1.5k miles, so just 3.5k total miles! 
> In contrast the other side (which I 'bought' attached to the car) had play 
> (but a lot less) and had done over 40 miles in my ownership, so maybe many 
> more. I replaced with 'First Line' parts, which were the only ones available 
> to me - we'll see how they last. The guy at my MOTstation said it's not 
> uncommon for new parts to fail very quickly.
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Derek Clews" 
> To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
> Cc: "Derek Clews" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:11 AM
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Thermostat
> 
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> Just replaced my engine coolant thermostat on the 2+2 and noticed the 
> previous one was only in the car for 16,000 miles. (but 6 years)  It just 
> opened at a cooler and cooler temperature until I felt I needed to change it. 
> Of course the new one is fine and helps the car warm up much quicker. From my 
> previous experience thermostats seem to be a short lived item in the Ford CVH 
> engines compared to others.  This was a Q one (QTH105K) and replaced with 
> another I already had on the shelf.  I had thought they were an OK brand.  On 
> Amazon someone is selling a ‘Ford’ item.  If it is genuine Ford, is it your 
> experience they last longer?
> 
> On the other hand if you need to replace the thermostat frequently it does 
> push you to renew the coolant!
> 
> Derek
> 
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[Quantum Owners] Thermostat

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Just replaced my engine coolant thermostat on the 2+2 and noticed the previous 
one was only in the car for 16,000 miles. (but 6 years)  It just opened at a 
cooler and cooler temperature until I felt I needed to change it. Of course the 
new one is fine and helps the car warm up much quicker.  From my previous 
experience thermostats seem to be a short lived item in the Ford CVH engines 
compared to others.  This was a Q one (QTH105K) and replaced with another I 
already had on the shelf.  I had thought they were an OK brand.  On Amazon 
someone is selling a ‘Ford’ item.  If it is genuine Ford, is it your experience 
they last longer?  

On the other hand if you need to replace the thermostat frequently it does push 
you to renew the coolant!  

Derek


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[Quantum Owners] Windscreen wiper mechanism

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Happy New Year

My 2+2 wipers are getting a little slow and intermittent with the parking 
function.  If you take off the top of the wiper control box there is grease 
around the contacts and it is getting old.  I was thinking replacing it would 
be a good idea, but does anyone know what grease it is?  It is here coating the 
electrical connections as the bushes slide over the copper strips during the 
sweep movement of the mechanism.  So is it special?

Cheers

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Storage insurance

[Derek Clews]

Cheers Bill,

For clarity, The number I quoted was for a full featured policy with three 
drivers including commuting for work, showing, etc, etc. But seems like the £85 
is still a good offering. 

Derek. 



> On 5 Dec 2018, at 14:15, bill  wrote:
> 
> 2gether and Frank Pickles both quoted me under £110 fully comp and 4000 
> miles, extra miles only a few £’s per 1000
> Bill 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 13:55, Derek Clews  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> Just for info.  I have today been offered Restoration & Storage Insurance 
>> for the Q 2+2 of £85 for 12 months to cover the car while off the road and 
>> being worked on.  They said I could covert to a road policy part way through 
>> the 12 months and get a credit.  
>> 
>> I had been informed that this was no longer available in the industry.  But 
>> try Footman James if you want it.  For comparison the Road insurance is 
>> £265, so quite a saving if the car is going to spend all/most of the year 
>> off road.  
>> 
>> ATB
>> 
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[Quantum Owners] Storage insurance

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Just for info.  I have today been offered Restoration & Storage Insurance for 
the Q 2+2 of £85 for 12 months to cover the car while off the road and being 
worked on.  They said I could covert to a road policy part way through the 12 
months and get a credit.  

I had been informed that this was no longer available in the industry.  But try 
Footman James if you want it.  For comparison the Road insurance is £265, so 
quite a saving if the car is going to spend all/most of the year off road.  

ATB

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Electric window regulator

[Derek Clews]

Hi,

Yes, remember that first try at mod'ing, now.  Whoever welded the ford item did 
a great job of getting the angles right.  The ford item may not be Mk2, 
probably not.  I said it was in the coupe, not in a Mk2.  The aftermarket one 
is advertised as fitting the Mk2 doors.  And is a suitable for Q mod’ing.

ATB

Derek


> On 25 Oct 2018, at 11:01, kynastonp  wrote:
> 
> I built saloon 103 and the method used was to bend the bottom inch or so of 
> the rail towards the center of the car ,but this meant the cable rubbed on 
> the bottom of the rail and eventually wore through and jammed. On 2+2 q2129 
> the rivet holding the nylon part of the rail was removed the piece moved up 
> and bolted onto the rail ,a metal slotted spacer was then placed inline with 
> the cable outer. It is interesting that you found a fiesta MK2 window 
> mechanism as I worked for ford at the time of the MK2 and never saw one with 
> electric windows.  
> 
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018, 10:18 Derek Clews,  <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> HI Steve,
> 
> I agree.  Unless early window parts were factory exchange, perhaps?
> 
> ATB
> 
> Derek
> 
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 00:13, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
>> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Derek,
>> I'd assume the method of shortening as per your 2+2 would have been the QSC 
>> recommended way. The cars were designed to be built without special tools, 
>> so welding parts wouldn't have been expected.
>> 
>> I might be wrong, so feel free to correct me.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Steve
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>> On 24 October 2018 23:32:23 Derek Clews > <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> To those interested.  The following Aftermarket part:
>>> 
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FIESTA-Mk2-1-0-Electric-Window-Regulator-Right-1989-TLB-Mechanism-Lifter/232462190335?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
>>>  
>>> <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FIESTA-Mk2-1-0-Electric-Window-Regulator-Right-1989-TLB-Mechanism-Lifter/232462190335?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649>
>>> 
>>> This is modifiable.  The two ends are plastic and clipped onto the metal 
>>> rail.  It comes with a plug and wire tails so you can renew the plug. (and 
>>> fit the socket of the new motor, of course)  It seems to need 20 mm 
>>> shortening to fit the Coupe door, so a 20mm spacer fitting. 
>>> 
>>> As an aside, my Coupe ford regulator seems to have been cut down by 20mm by 
>>> being cut in the middle of the rail and welded back together and ground to 
>>> shape. This brings the mounting brackets closer together.  Was this the 
>>> usual way when built?  
>>> 
>>> I built my 2 + 2 new and it needs more shortening but basically you cut one 
>>> end shorter.  Mounting brackets stay in the same position.  
>>> 
>>> ATB
>>> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Electric window regulator

[Derek Clews]

HI Steve,

I agree.  Unless early window parts were factory exchange, perhaps?

ATB

Derek


> On 25 Oct 2018, at 00:13, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> Derek,
> I'd assume the method of shortening as per your 2+2 would have been the QSC 
> recommended way. The cars were designed to be built without special tools, so 
> welding parts wouldn't have been expected.
> 
> I might be wrong, so feel free to correct me.
> 
> Regards,
> Steve
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> On 24 October 2018 23:32:23 Derek Clews  wrote:
> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> To those interested.  The following Aftermarket part:
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FIESTA-Mk2-1-0-Electric-Window-Regulator-Right-1989-TLB-Mechanism-Lifter/232462190335?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
>>  
>> <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FIESTA-Mk2-1-0-Electric-Window-Regulator-Right-1989-TLB-Mechanism-Lifter/232462190335?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649>
>> 
>> This is modifiable.  The two ends are plastic and clipped onto the metal 
>> rail.  It comes with a plug and wire tails so you can renew the plug. (and 
>> fit the socket of the new motor, of course)  It seems to need 20 mm 
>> shortening to fit the Coupe door, so a 20mm spacer fitting. 
>> 
>> As an aside, my Coupe ford regulator seems to have been cut down by 20mm by 
>> being cut in the middle of the rail and welded back together and ground to 
>> shape. This brings the mounting brackets closer together.  Was this the 
>> usual way when built?  
>> 
>> I built my 2 + 2 new and it needs more shortening but basically you cut one 
>> end shorter.  Mounting brackets stay in the same position.  
>> 
>> ATB
>> 
>> Derek
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[Quantum Owners] Electric window regulator

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

To those interested.  The following Aftermarket part:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FIESTA-Mk2-1-0-Electric-Window-Regulator-Right-1989-TLB-Mechanism-Lifter/232462190335?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
 


This is modifiable.  The two ends are plastic and clipped onto the metal rail.  
It comes with a plug and wire tails so you can renew the plug. (and fit the 
socket of the new motor, of course)  It seems to need 20 mm shortening to fit 
the Coupe door, so a 20mm spacer fitting. 

As an aside, my Coupe ford regulator seems to have been cut down by 20mm by 
being cut in the middle of the rail and welded back together and ground to 
shape. This brings the mounting brackets closer together.  Was this the usual 
way when built?  

I built my 2 + 2 new and it needs more shortening but basically you cut one end 
shorter.  Mounting brackets stay in the same position.  

ATB

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows

[Derek Clews]

Thanks Chris,

Yes definitely aftermarket.  But I have not seem an offered for a long time so 
though I would jump while it was there.  

I will give it a go as the Q drivers door window really struggles, often stalls 
altogether, and I think it is just too worn and old.  Passenger side is fine as 
are both of my Q2+2 ’s.  The Q doors and frames (often a bit strangely aligned 
when shut?) seem to give the mechanisms a hard time, so I prefer to go new, if 
I can.  All part of the fun!

ATB

Derek


> On 10 Sep 2018, at 13:31, 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> Derek
>  
> This looks like an aftermarket pattern part. While it would probably fit a 
> Fiesta fine, unfortunately you may struggle to fit it because not all of them 
> can be modified to fit in the shallower door of our Qs. I know because I 
> started with a similar item. The plus with the Ka ones is they can be 
> modified in exactly same way as the Fiesta ones. Also good used working items 
> can be bought for under £20.
>  
> Chris
>  
> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Derek Clews
> Sent: 10 September 2018 09:59
> To: Quantum Owners Forum 
> Cc: Derek Clews 
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>  
> HI All,
>  
> Just found that you can buy the original 2 door Mk2 version. 
>  
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232462190335?ul_noapp=true 
> <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232462190335?ul_noapp=true>
>  
> £68.57
>  
> I have ordered one for the Coupe to try it.
>  
> ATB
>  
> Derek
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2018, at 08:14, 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Martin
>>  
>> Yes Mk1 bubble shape, I believe up to about 2008. If I remember correctly 
>> the Mk1 was based on a Fiesta.
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
>> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
>> Sent: 09 September 2018 22:12
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>>  
>> Is that 'original' mk1 Ka ie the bubble shaped one, not the mk2 based on the 
>> Fiat 500 platform?
>> Martin
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>>> <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:21 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>>>  
>>> Sorry this has been so long. I can confirm that Ford KA electric window 
>>> winders can be used on the 2+2 in place of the Fiesta MK3 ones.
>>>  
>>> While this is good news, they are a straight swap as the cables are shorter 
>>> than the Fiesta ones. I’m guessing the KA ones are the same length as the 
>>> ones off the front a 5 door Fiesta. I managed to fit them using the Quantum 
>>> modification that Jim has detailed on the club site, but I had to put the 
>>> spacer at the bottom of the track rather than the top. The other good news 
>>> is the KA track is identical so the Fiesta one so you can swap the KA cable 
>>> and motor over to the Fiesta track which makes refitting easier. The other 
>>> good news is the KA electrical connector is identical to the Fiesta one. 
>>> The only bad news you need to drill new mounting holes and make sure the 
>>> motor doesn’t foul with the threaded rod for the front window runner.
>>>  
>>> I hope this makes sense. If not, email me direct and I will give more 
>>> details
>>>  
>>> Chris
>>>  
>>> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
>>> Sent: 16 June 2018 09:04
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>>>  
>>> Chris's suggestion on ka mk1 may be good, as the ka windows are very deep.
>>> Martin
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
>>>> <mailto:quantumowners@go

Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows

[Derek Clews]

HI All,

Just found that you can buy the original 2 door Mk2 version. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232462190335?ul_noapp=true 


£68.57

I have ordered one for the Coupe to try it.

ATB

Derek




> On 10 Sep 2018, at 08:14, 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> Martin
>  
> Yes Mk1 bubble shape, I believe up to about 2008. If I remember correctly the 
> Mk1 was based on a Fiesta.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Chris
>  
> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
> Sent: 09 September 2018 22:12
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>  
> Is that 'original' mk1 Ka ie the bubble shaped one, not the mk2 based on the 
> Fiat 500 platform?
> Martin
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>> 
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 9:21 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>>  
>> Sorry this has been so long. I can confirm that Ford KA electric window 
>> winders can be used on the 2+2 in place of the Fiesta MK3 ones.
>>  
>> While this is good news, they are a straight swap as the cables are shorter 
>> than the Fiesta ones. I’m guessing the KA ones are the same length as the 
>> ones off the front a 5 door Fiesta. I managed to fit them using the Quantum 
>> modification that Jim has detailed on the club site, but I had to put the 
>> spacer at the bottom of the track rather than the top. The other good news 
>> is the KA track is identical so the Fiesta one so you can swap the KA cable 
>> and motor over to the Fiesta track which makes refitting easier. The other 
>> good news is the KA electrical connector is identical to the Fiesta one. The 
>> only bad news you need to drill new mounting holes and make sure the motor 
>> doesn’t foul with the threaded rod for the front window runner.
>>  
>> I hope this makes sense. If not, email me direct and I will give more details
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
>> From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
>> Sent: 16 June 2018 09:04
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>>  
>> Chris's suggestion on ka mk1 may be good, as the ka windows are very deep.
>> Martin
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
>>> 
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 7:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>>>  
>>> The Saloon uses MK3 Fiesta 3 door regulators as they’re bigger than the 5 
>>> door version.
>>> I assume the 2+2 uses the same as the doors are a similar size and shape.
>>>  
>>> Chris G
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 6:49 PM
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 electric windows
>>>  
>>> I need to replace the electric window regulators on my 2+2. The O/S cable 
>>> has broken and the N/S isn’t far behind. I received an aftermarket 
>>> replacement today which cannot be shortened in the same way as the ford one 
>>> and the motor appear to have shorter cables so it fowls with the lower 
>>> mounting for the quarter light channel. This item is for a 4 door Fiesta 
>>> Mk3 and Courier van. 
>>>  
>>> I know Quantum supplied Fiesta MK3 items, but does anyone know if they were 
>>> for 3 or 5 door models?
>>>  
>>> Also has anyone successfully fitted window regulators from another model as 
>>> Mk3 Fiesta ones are hard to find now? Perhaps Mk4 Fiesta or Mk1 KA?
>>>  
>>> Regards
>>>  
>>> Chris Fairlie
>>>  
>>> From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>>> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] 
>>> Sent: 14 June 2018 21:26
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: For Sale 2+2 Chassis No Q2-001
>>>  
>>> Thanks Jim
>>>  
>>> From: 'Jim Turner' via Quantum Owners Group 
>>> [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] 
>>> Sent: 14 June 2018 10:30
>>> To: Quantum Owners Group >> >
>>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: For Sale 2+2 Chassis No Q2-001
>>>  
>>> Find attached the copy of the review of the first 2+2. The cover shows the 
>>> car tested, but it also had a doctored picture of a planned flapped 
>>> headlight model.

Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear demist

[Derek Clews]

Like it!  I keep chickens would two of them do?  Eggs as well!

Derek



> On 2 Aug 2018, at 21:08, Susan and Martin Scott 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's agreed then we need a heat source maybe with an additional fan. Thinking 
> outside the box..
> Near our previous house there was a pet shop that had hamsters running loose 
> eating the food packets during the night - the owner was puzzled how they 
> also got water, until one of the customers was passing one evening and saw a 
> line of hamsters licking the condensation off the window! So a team of loose 
> hamsters on the back shelf may be the answer without using and valuable 
> battery power ;-)
> Martin 
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
>> 
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 6:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear demist
>> 
>> I had a new rear screen fitted many, many years ago for this very reason. It 
>> worked for about a year and a half before the lines started to give up.
>>  
>> Chris G
>>  
>> From: andyheaton64 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:21 AM
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear demist
>>  
>> New rear screen Chris.
>> The other option as per lord Q is a couple of fake speaker holes with grills 
>> or you could use the demister grills that aim the warm air onto the screen 
>> mounted on the rear parcel shelf so air flow goes into the boot.
>> Air can then flow through the boot lid via vents and exit via holes in the 
>> lower part of the boot lid as per Lord Q.
>> Happy  Quantuming
>> P.s. The Dark Lord is mobile again !!
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>  
>>  Original message 
>> From: Susan and Martin Scott 
>> Date: 01/08/2018 22:55 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear demist
>>  
>> I'd think by the time warm air went through ducting to the rear that all 
>> it's heat will be lost ? I'd go for an electric element / fan type setup 
>> either on the rear shelf or through some holes from the boot area (although 
>> strength has to me maintained in the panel?). I don't know if they exist, 
>> but a long coil of resistance wire near the base of the screen may provide 
>> enough rising heat to clear it, and be almost invisible - like a 12V bar out 
>> of an old electric fire!
>> Martin 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
>>> 
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 7:52 PM
>>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Rear demist
>>>  
>>> Has anyone come up with a viable alternative to the useless (and always 
>>> dying) demisting lines on the saloon rear window?
>>> I’m thinking either a demist kit (or 2) from ‘car builders solutions’ or 
>>> some kind of ducting from the front heater box, with an in-pipe fan on a 
>>> timer..that’s as far as I’ve got in the planning/trying-to-work-it-out 
>>> stage.
>>>  
>>> Chris G
>>> 
>>>  
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear demist

[Derek Clews]

We have also found that an issue.  Thought about a number of solutions like you 
have.  Maybe time to trial some?  

I would guess that electric fan units blowing up the rear screen would be most 
effective. (and instant)  I have a weak old version of that in the 2+2 to 
de-mist the plastic window with limited success.  The new, higher output units 
would be better. But the old classic stick on elements can still be bought.  (I 
have found them to work in the distant past)  I did see a very old style bar 
heater element for sale as well.  With the sharp angle of the rear screen that 
would get warmer air flowing up the screen.  

Parallel to that I have bought an engine sump heater to trial.  The idea being 
a small mains current runs through a coil on the sump pan and pre warms the 
engine oil.  That is supposed to give really quick warm up which makes it more 
comfortable, (in the winter particularly) also it saves on fuel and wear 
especially with short journeys.  I plan to fit to the 2+2 with a replacement 
engine.  Quick warm up of course gives quicker conventional de-mist as well.

Derek




> On 2 Aug 2018, at 09:21, andyheaton64  wrote:
> 
> New rear screen Chris. 
> The other option as per lord Q is a couple of fake speaker holes with grills 
> or you could use the demister grills that aim the warm air onto the screen 
> mounted on the rear parcel shelf so air flow goes into the boot.
> Air can then flow through the boot lid via vents and exit via holes in the 
> lower part of the boot lid as per Lord Q. 
> Happy  Quantuming 
> P.s. The Dark Lord is mobile again !!
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Susan and Martin Scott 
> Date: 01/08/2018 22:55 (GMT+00:00)
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear demist
> 
> I'd think by the time warm air went through ducting to the rear that all it's 
> heat will be lost ? I'd go for an electric element / fan type setup either on 
> the rear shelf or through some holes from the boot area (although strength 
> has to me maintained in the panel?). I don't know if they exist, but a long 
> coil of resistance wire near the base of the screen may provide enough rising 
> heat to clear it, and be almost invisible - like a 12V bar out of an old 
> electric fire!
> Martin 
> - Original Message -
> From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
> 
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 7:52 PM
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Rear demist
> 
> Has anyone come up with a viable alternative to the useless (and always 
> dying) demisting lines on the saloon rear window?
> I’m thinking either a demist kit (or 2) from ‘car builders solutions’ or some 
> kind of ducting from the front heater box, with an in-pipe fan on a 
> timer..that’s as far as I’ve got in the planning/trying-to-work-it-out 
> stage.
>  
> Chris G
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts

[Derek Clews]

Thanks for the info., Guys.  I will follow up the links.

Derek


> On 20 Jul 2018, at 12:07, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, i needed some of those for my Saloon.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Matthew Wastell
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 12:05 PM
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
> 
> Sold to Jim. Please transfer £0.00 in your own time. ;-)
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 11:48, Jim Hearne  wrote:
>> 
>> They are probably the same camber adjusting bolts as i used on my 2+2
>> I'll buy them please.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matthew Wastell
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 11:33 AM
>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
>> 
>> I’ve got some kind of top offset correction bolts knocking about if anyone 
>> wants them?
>> 
>> Never needed them on mine as the geometry was near on perfect as standard.
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 10:28, Jim Hearne  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If Derek is referring to the bolts that hold the shock absorber onto the 
>>> hub carrier then they are special Ford bolts.
>>> They have splines on the section that goes into the hub carrier to ensure 
>>> it is a tight fit and also to tightly control the wheel camber.
>>> A standard M12 bolt will give you more chance of misalignment between the 2 
>>> parts before the bolt is tightened.
>>> It would still be ok but i'd get the camber checked afterwards.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Susan and Martin Scott
>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 10:20 AM
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
>>> 
>>> Hi Derek,
>>> I don't believe these are anything special, and there are only 2 features
>>> which are important... They are high tensile, I don't recall if 10.8 or 12 -
>>> you may see on the old ones., and they have a red 'locktite' patch on them.
>>> A standard bolt of the correct size and strength with some locktite added
>>> will be good at a fraction of the price.
>>> Martin
>>> ps. pleased to see the successful outcome with the insurance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Derek Clews" 
>>> To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
>>> Cc: "Derek Clews" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:19 PM
>>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know where to buy the correct service bolts for the front
>>> suspension struts attachment on the 2+2?
>>> 
>>> Derek
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[Quantum Owners] Suspension Bolts

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Does anyone know where to buy the correct service bolts for the front 
suspension struts attachment on the 2+2?

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Insurance claim

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Just got the Bronze Coupe back from the body shop today.  Great job, you would 
never know it happened.  Even negotiated an extra area painted and got some 
matched touch-up paint out of it!  

Footman James did help and came through in the end.  As it was a small claim 
the insurance underwriter paid me direct for the full quote.  Meaning in the 
end I was more in control.  So overall a happy outcome.  Still better if not 
hit in the car park in the first place, of course.  But impressed to see how 
strong the quantums are in an era of weak crumple zones.  

Derek  



> On 18 May 2018, at 23:35, Dave English  wrote:
> 
> You could try reminding this insurance company that their client is liable 
> for the damage to your car and that you are entitled to have that damage 
> repaired to it's pre-accident condition, especially as the car would be 
> difficult to replace.
> it may be worth a try as the law used to say that. Market value is virtually 
> impossible to determine accurately with such a small market.
> 
> Dave English
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Steering Wobble

[Derek Clews]

Worth a check on the brake discs.  Dial gauge checking the outside rim does not 
move towards the side and back as it rotates 360 degrees.  This check is 
required when fitting a new set of discs and is not always done.  

Derek

> On 9 Jun 2018, at 16:55, Rolf  wrote:
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> When I bought my 2+2 same problem due to worn bushes, especially the tie rods 
> had a lot of play.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 boot lid hinge covers

[Derek Clews]

Looks like a candidate for a 3D printer job.  Anyone know someone into that?  

Derek


> On 5 Jun 2018, at 21:01, Jim Hearne  wrote:
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> They are handed and from the Mk3 or 4 Escort Cabro.
> I don't think there is enough demand for somebody to remake them, though, as 
> Martin says, there is enough demand for them to sell for £30 each on Ebay so 
> maybe there is.
> 
> I think i have the old ones from my saloon, i have new ones to go back on it.
> I'll see if i can find them.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On 05/06/2018 17:58, Sonia wrote:
>> After 20+ years and 100K+ miles one of the boot lid hinge covers has gone 
>> walkies (sometime towards the end of the QOC French Tour).
>> 
>> a) Does anyone have a nearside one (or a pair) for sale? The 2+2 build 
>> manual says they are handed
>> b) I believe they are from a Mk3/4 Escort cabriolet, is this correct?
>> c) Has anyone come up with a tidy looking alternative to cover the hinges?
>> d) Does anyone know of anyone remanufacturing them?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Brake carrier bolts

[Derek Clews]

Thanks for that both,

I was doing the brakes on the 2+2 and the bolts are reusable at present but I 
was thinking that new for the big refurb would be best.  I tend to buy some 
items ahead as I think about it for work like that.  

The Coupe repair is still with the insurer.  But the car is in use daily.

Derek


> On 23 May 2018, at 09:01, Susan and Martin Scott 
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> I don't know about the generic ones, but the Ford ones are hardened, ground 
> steel. Have you tried the Ford dealer? sometimes they come up with surprises 
> (not often I admit).
> How is the repair progressing?
> Martin
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> Dear All,
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> Anyone know if the ford brake carrier bolts are ‘special’ in  any way or are 
> they simple high tensile steel bolts?  They are being sold for lots of cash 
> on ebay at present, compared to a generic one.
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[Quantum Owners] Brake carrier bolts

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Anyone know if the ford brake carrier bolts are ‘special’ in  any way or are 
they simple high tensile steel bolts?  They are being sold for lots of cash on 
ebay at present, compared to a generic one.

Thanks

Derek

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[Quantum Owners] Insurance claim

[Derek Clews]

Dear Andy or Others with Info.

Had someone scrape my Coupe’s paint in a car park and and trying to get it 
sorted out.  It was a works van that admitted liability and got the insurance 
involved.  Just got a letter saying it may be written off. (without inspection, 
so far)  Don’t believe it as it’s only cosmetic damage.  Nothing structural.  I 
need to push back on this.  Do you have advice?

Derek 

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[Quantum Owners] Removing brake discs 2+2

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

For info. & questions. 

My front brake discs had been on the car since I built it and were getting 
rusty, so time for a change.  Problem was I could not get the discs of the hub. 
 Soaking in WD40 and a mallet was getting nowhere.   In the end I bought a very 
large hydraulic puller that needed all its strength to get them loose. (and 
also broke both of them in the process!)  The problem seemed to be just a rust 
area around the inside of the discs alongside the hub edge.  Hubs seem to be in 
very good shape so the rust was all from the disc.  Already bought stainless 
steel hex counter sunk screws for the new discs.

Q. 1. Does this mean that disc replacement should be time related as well as 
mileage?   (and obviously on condition)

Q  2.  Do any of you assemble the disc to the hub using e.g. copper grease to 
help release later?  Does it work on brake discs?

Derek  

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon windscreen

[Derek Clews]

I have done a number of screens now on two different cars and found the gap can 
vary.  The last one Eddie did with no rubber at all and the gap is just black 
sealant filled. front and back screens.  They were a tight fit.  Prior I 
measured it and bought a section to fit on the internet.  I like it small and 
discrete and find the old advice for a huge seal unnecessary.  All it does is 
fill/cover a gap. The new screen adhesives are very good and seem to be updated 
every year.  Now one pack is great.  I recall being told you needed a certain 
large seal and to strap it and hold it in against a large screen rubber with a 
lot of force so the adhesive can go off in the correct position over night.  
And I did so.  Now you just hand hold it there for a few minutes and can drive 
it off after an hour.  

Don’t bother with any particular seal.  Just get what you think looks good.  Or 
use sealant.

Regards

Derek





> On 27 Sep 2017, at 09:22, Steve Kodź  wrote:
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> I think QSC called it cavalier seal, but not from the car.
> 
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> On 27 September 2017 8:57:39 a.m. "Jim Hearne"  wrote:
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>> I don't remember it being from any specific car, i thought it was just
>> generic T from Woolies etc
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Susan and Martin Scott
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>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Saloon windscreen
>> 
>> I think it is Vauxhall cavalier, or maybe Ford Mondeo - Sorry that's not
>> much help. If a pro scree fitter is putting it in for you all they need is a
>> generic T section of the correct size.
>> Martin
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>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Saloon windscreen
>> 
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>> Does anyone remember what the rubber moulding around the outside of the
>> windscreen was from on the saloon bonded windscreen??? Can't put my hand on
>> my build manual.
>> Darren
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 distributor

[Derek Clews]

Hi Mike,

My records give the distributor this number:
84SF 12100 NAH2KA 41983K 4192
It works fine on a 1600 CVH. 

I have found them reliable and even working when falling apart, enough to limp 
my son’s Coupe home to fix!  

Derek

> On 25 Mar 2017, at 09:36, QM editor  wrote:
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> My 2+2 has a 1.6 CVH engine from an XR2. Intermittently it will stop and 
> usually start again running normally. A bit annoying! I've been told by a 
> Ford trained mechanic that the distributor in the Fiesta was unreliable and 
> there were many failures even in cars less than three years old. Does anyone 
> know of this? From one website I discovered that the correct distributor is a 
> Bosch type 0 237 521 019 but I can't find one of those. The Haines manual 
> says Bosch or Lucas but gives no part number.. Nearest I found was type 0 237 
> 601 001, Ford part number 84SF 12100 FA.
> 
> Has anyone had a distributor problem with this engine, and what type did they 
> use to replace it? It might be that the two types I've mentioned are 
> effectively identical or there might be sufficient difference that while the 
> one I can find will physically fit it won't work properly or even at all! 
> Advice please so I can get going again!
> 
> Many thanks, Mike
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Zetec engines

[Derek Clews]

Still got a 50,000 mile CVH1600 in the garage and the 125,000 one in the car.  
But the price made me think!  I thought they would be twice that.  If you do 
work on a CVH head it’s going to get expensive so why not get a larger new 
Zetec instead?  The balance is an interesting point. More of a known quantity 
and budget?  Reading around it seems the 2 litre would be the one to go for if 
you did.  Any thoughts?  

My objective is to get the 2+2 good for another 16 years on the road for normal 
use into retirement.  Up until now I thought that using the spare CVH would be 
the way, now I am thinking wider than that.  

Derek



> On 5 Feb 2017, at 21:52, Nigel Plant  wrote:
> 
> They are not a bad price for a new engine. The zetec's are a very strong and 
> reliable engine. The bigger question is do you really need a new one?  Ive 
> just picked up one with 80k miles for £130 as a spare and there are plenty 
> for around £150 to £200. 
> It really depends what your objectives are?
> 
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[Quantum Owners] Zetec engines

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Anyone know if these are as good as they seem?

Zetec 2 litre  £950
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252752174987?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 


Zetec  1800cc £750
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171469885110?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 


Looks like brand new engines maybe the way forward for a 2+2 engine change?  
Need ECU though with standard set up + other changes to fuel system? Is this 
good value do you think?  

Derek

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[Quantum Owners] Success

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Happy 2017 to all.  We often ignore our success with our cars and I am reminded 
of that again today as in the last month both the 2+2 and the Coupe went 
through the MOT with no advisory, again.  Considering the age of the vehicles 
now they are getting to be practical classics in their own right and still very 
usable.  

I have located some soft top fabric - burgundy mohair with beige inside, that 
is nice quality and cheap.  Around the same price as vinyl.  If anyone else is 
interested, let me know and I will give you all the details.  I will shortly 
start sewing the new hood, but expect it to work well.  

Derek


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Tyres again Question

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

I have now fitted the Vredstien Quatrac 5 at 185/55R14 on the 2+2.  For those 
interested, I used My Tyres on line and delivered to a local fitter.  They were 
£48 each delivered and fitting etc £15.  So total £63 each.  Just some local 
driving and they seem fine.  I note they have increased the range a bit and you 
can get some 13 inch tyres.  The nearest to standard they get is one size out 
at 175/65 R13 80T.  The price is the same.  Pity Michelin are not doing the 
CrossCimate in our sizes (yet?) as they may be the top choice for all round UK 
weather.

Seen a few bits of advice about getting new tyres if the old ones are over 10 
years old now I look for it.  

Merry Christmas All, Happy Quantum-ing New Year

Derek


  
> On 9 Nov 2016, at 11:23, Derek Clews <derekcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the responses.  Reading around the subject it seems that the often 
> disregarded issue in how the tyres/wheels fit our cars is the wheel offset 
> being correct.  If I am correct the original XR2 Mk 2 wheels were 13 inch x 6 
> inch and offset of ET 35mm. I think I copied that into my 14 inch on the 2+2. 
>  In the near future I might try changing the 2+2 and coupe wheels over and 
> seeing how the coupe is on my 14’s.  It was my sons’ coupe that had 14s and 
> went to 13 solving a lot of problems, mine came with 13’s.  
> 
> It seems the new design tyres are all produced in the most common sizes for 
> today (of course!) and we are out of that bracket with the older base cars 
> giving us less choice.  I may be wrong, but it seems some manufactures add 
> sizes during the production run, so maybe the best is to look at 2015 or 14’s 
> best tyres.  Pity.  Probably the best rated all season new standard tyre I 
> can fit directly is the Vredstien Quatrac 5 at 185/55R14.  Nothing at 13 inch 
> they are all a different size/ratio.  But Vredstien seem to be a manufacturer 
> who normally cover a large size range in many tyres.  
> 
> The 165/60R14 is an interesting choice.  Sounds like you are not missing the 
> extra 20mm width of road contact, then?  I do notice the /55R14 as a harder 
> ride than the /60R13, but springs and dampers can be altered to effect that 
> as well.  
> 
> And good point about the low mileages and ageing tyres.  I have gone that way 
> over recent years only covering about 5000 miles a year in the Q.  But of it 
> is all weather commuting to and from work and expected to be for a few years 
> more, hence the questioning.  Looking forward to the day I am not working and 
> can stay in bed on the cold mornings and exclusively have nice grippy summer 
> tyres ….. 
> 
> 
> Derek
> 
> 
>> On 9 Nov 2016, at 10:14, 'jonathan jackson' via Quantum Owners Group 
>> <quantumowners@googlegroups.com <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have Continental Rainsports on my 2+2 turbo and he are superb, however 
>> they are 195x5x15 so not the size you want.
>> I would not worry about high wear because our cars are light and tyres get 
>> too old before they wear out hence grip overrules life.
>> cheers
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, 9 November 2016, 9:51, "chris.qu...@btinternet.com 
>> <mailto:chris.qu...@btinternet.com>" <chris.qu...@btinternet.com 
>> <mailto:chris.qu...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I use Goodyear Vector 4 seasons all year round on my Q saloon 165/60 R14
>>  
>> I do about 12,000 miles a year on them.
>>  
>> They are BRILLIANT on every road condition including snow, and last a long 
>> time.
>>  
>> I get them from www.mytyres.co.uk <http://www.mytyres.co.uk/>
>>  
>> They sell your 2+2 size but not 13”.
>>  
>> Chris G
>>  
>> From: Derek Clews <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:39 AM
>> To: Quantum Owners Forum <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
>> Cc: Derek Clews <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Tyres again Question
>>  
>> Dear All,
>>  
>> As the forecast says a bad winter, I am thinking again of the best tyres for 
>> the Q’s. The 2+2 needs two new ones soon.  The reviews seem to give the 2016 
>> winter and all season tyres very good results over previous years, but the 
>> sizes they are making them in is not what I am running on the cars at 
>> present.  I suppose there is more interest and development of this area.  
>> e.g. Continental WinterContact TS 860 has amazing scores on test.
>>  
>> I run 185/55R14 on the 2+2 and have gone back to 13inch for the coupe as 
>> they ride better. (and fit the wheel

Re: [Quantum Owners] Tyres again Question

[Derek Clews]

Thanks for the responses.  Reading around the subject it seems that the often 
disregarded issue in how the tyres/wheels fit our cars is the wheel offset 
being correct.  If I am correct the original XR2 Mk 2 wheels were 13 inch x 6 
inch and offset of ET 35mm. I think I copied that into my 14 inch on the 2+2.  
In the near future I might try changing the 2+2 and coupe wheels over and 
seeing how the coupe is on my 14’s.  It was my sons’ coupe that had 14s and 
went to 13 solving a lot of problems, mine came with 13’s.  

It seems the new design tyres are all produced in the most common sizes for 
today (of course!) and we are out of that bracket with the older base cars 
giving us less choice.  I may be wrong, but it seems some manufactures add 
sizes during the production run, so maybe the best is to look at 2015 or 14’s 
best tyres.  Pity.  Probably the best rated all season new standard tyre I can 
fit directly is the Vredstien Quatrac 5 at 185/55R14.  Nothing at 13 inch they 
are all a different size/ratio.  But Vredstien seem to be a manufacturer who 
normally cover a large size range in many tyres.  

The 165/60R14 is an interesting choice.  Sounds like you are not missing the 
extra 20mm width of road contact, then?  I do notice the /55R14 as a harder 
ride than the /60R13, but springs and dampers can be altered to effect that as 
well.  

And good point about the low mileages and ageing tyres.  I have gone that way 
over recent years only covering about 5000 miles a year in the Q.  But of it is 
all weather commuting to and from work and expected to be for a few years more, 
hence the questioning.  Looking forward to the day I am not working and can 
stay in bed on the cold mornings and exclusively have nice grippy summer tyres 
….. 


Derek


> On 9 Nov 2016, at 10:14, 'jonathan jackson' via Quantum Owners Group 
> <quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I have Continental Rainsports on my 2+2 turbo and he are superb, however they 
> are 195x5x15 so not the size you want.
> I would not worry about high wear because our cars are light and tyres get 
> too old before they wear out hence grip overrules life.
> cheers
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 9 November 2016, 9:51, "chris.qu...@btinternet.com" 
> <chris.qu...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I use Goodyear Vector 4 seasons all year round on my Q saloon 165/60 R14
>  
> I do about 12,000 miles a year on them.
>  
> They are BRILLIANT on every road condition including snow, and last a long 
> time.
>  
> I get them from www.mytyres.co.uk <http://www.mytyres.co.uk/>
>  
> They sell your 2+2 size but not 13”.
>  
> Chris G
>  
> From: Derek Clews <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:39 AM
> To: Quantum Owners Forum <mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: Derek Clews <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Tyres again Question
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> As the forecast says a bad winter, I am thinking again of the best tyres for 
> the Q’s. The 2+2 needs two new ones soon.  The reviews seem to give the 2016 
> winter and all season tyres very good results over previous years, but the 
> sizes they are making them in is not what I am running on the cars at 
> present.  I suppose there is more interest and development of this area.  
> e.g. Continental WinterContact TS 860 has amazing scores on test.
>  
> I run 185/55R14 on the 2+2 and have gone back to 13inch for the coupe as they 
> ride better. (and fit the wheel arch without rubbing!)  So 185/60R13’s.  The 
> closest in some of the new tyres is 175/60 R14.  One, a Goodyear in 175/70 
> R13. 
>  
> Other tyres that are OK but not testing so well are available in the ‘right’ 
> size.  So it seems to be choose the same form factor with lesser tyres or 
> change form factor and fit better tyres.
>  
> So the question is what have you found the best form factor/size and what 
> range is usable for each car?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Derek
>  
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[Quantum Owners] Tyres again Question

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

As the forecast says a bad winter, I am thinking again of the best tyres for 
the Q’s. The 2+2 needs two new ones soon.  The reviews seem to give the 2016 
winter and all season tyres very good results over previous years, but the 
sizes they are making them in is not what I am running on the cars at present.  
I suppose there is more interest and development of this area.  e.g. 
Continental WinterContact TS 860 has amazing scores on test.

I run 185/55R14 on the 2+2 and have gone back to 13inch for the coupe as they 
ride better. (and fit the wheel arch without rubbing!)  So 185/60R13’s.  The 
closest in some of the new tyres is 175/60 R14.  One, a Goodyear in 175/70 R13. 
 

Other tyres that are OK but not testing so well are available in the ‘right’ 
size.  So it seems to be choose the same form factor with lesser tyres or 
change form factor and fit better tyres. 

So the question is what have you found the best form factor/size and what range 
is usable for each car?

Thanks

Derek


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Engine & gearbox removal from 2+2

[Derek Clews]

Hi,

I got some thick ply and mounted large castor wheels on the bottom.  Then 
lowered the engine/gearbox on to that, undid the mounts and raised the car.  
Then the engine/gearbox can be rolled out from under.  The trolley has proved 
useful for other things in the mean time and now has a spare engine and gearbox 
resting on it medium term.  Makes it easy to move around when necessary. 

Derek

> On 29 Aug 2016, at 15:03, john beckett  wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> Speaking from the experience of replacing the engine in mine several times. I 
> always just unbolt the cradle off the frame and the engine mount off the 
> other side and drop the engine and gearbox down on the floor (carefully not 
> to crack the sump) then I jack the body up and put axle stands under the 
> frame at the back of the engine bay then there is just enough room to slide 
> the engine out of the front. 
> 
> John b
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Remote Door locking

[Derek Clews]

Thanks Darren 

I will have a look at those then.

Derek


> On 21 May 2016, at 17:46, Darren Siepka <dar...@siepka.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have had/got clifford systems in both my q's .a simple arrow in the 2+2 
> when first built and a full cat1 on the coupe with remote start.
> The cliffords offer two stage unlock of the doors and seperate boot pop
> Use a mk3/4 fiesta or similar boot motor for the boot mech
> 
> On 21 May 2016 5:37 pm, "Derek Clews" <derekcl...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:derekcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> Anyone know much about aftermarket remote door locking?   My 2+2 is entirely 
> manual and I wonder about ‘upgrading’.  It would add complexity so must also 
> benefit in extra functionality and convenience.  A soft top is really 
> unlock-able in a sense anyway.
> 
> What is the best system to buy?  Reliability and quality trumping cost.
> 
> How easy is to to get the necessary motor and fit it for the boot release?  I 
> want it to be remote release only, no switch in the car or it would be less 
> secure than now.
> 
> Can you make the systems unlock the driver’s door only and then lock both and 
> optionally unlock both doors?  The ones I have seen appear to lock and unlock 
> both doors without the option.  I am sure I could rig a system to lock both 
> and only unlock the drivers door all the time, but the option of unlocking 
> both when you want is good.
> 
> If you may add car alarm/immobiliser later are you better just doing the 
> whole thing at once?  Just use the good old steering wheel Crook Lock now.
> 
> 
> 
> Separate item:  The Coupe came with a TOAD alarm but it’s playing up a bit.  
> Is it best to replace them rather than try to fix them?  The wiring is 
> designed to be difficult to trace and I did not install it.  Also it seems 
> like alarms on cars that sit for a week or so without use just run the 
> battery flat.  That is quite a liability, so may not be the right solution 
> for a kit car.  Other more basic methods may be better?  e.g. the old hidden 
> switch routine?  Maybe better to take it out.
> 
> What experiences do you have of the systems?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Derek
> 
> 
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