[RBW] Re: Welcome Spring!
I've often wondered if that trail was any good to ride on. On Mar 19, 9:29 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: A good day on the Bleriot today. Saw little leaguers practicing, a guy mowing his lawn, the sun was out, and I got a bug in my eye. I think spring is about here! A few hours on the Tolt Pipline Trail to celebrate. http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157626304557016/ Rob Markwardt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis
Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my saddle. If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem. This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would have to be adjusted accordingly. So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between the top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a guide. Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise. I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life. More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my rides now. And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years as we get older and hit the 5th floor! Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/ René Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Khalid I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you. Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance. It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance liberates you to go bigger. It also depends somewhat on who you talk to. I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a 58 or a 61 (PBH 87). When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it was right there. I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but barely. Harry looked and said That looks like your size. They didn't have a 58 on hand at the time. On a different day, I was talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any fitting with me. I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and he said Are you sure you are tall enough for a 58? So it's not completely rigid, their approach. My point is that both the 58 and the 61 can work for a person your size. It will come down to your decision, which will be based somewhat on your riding style and attitude. If your riding style and attitude towards cycling changes a lot over the next year or two, then it is possible that you might grow to love a bike that seemed too big at the beginning, or might grow to regret that you got something that is one size off. That's probably the biggest piece, the guesswork on where your opinions will lie a few thousand miles down the road. I guarantee you could find several Atlantis owners that are exactly your size who love their 58, and others exactly your size who love their 61. There's probably a few who ride a 56, and are similarly convinced they got their size. I'm leaning towards the 58 because I intend to have the bars close to level with the saddle. If I wanted the bars 3-4 cm higher than the saddle, I'd go with the 61. On Mar 18, 10:41 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I check it. I am either getting a 58cm frame or a 61 cm frame. I wont know until I talk to them. K. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell. They do not have the sizing on the frame
[RBW] ISO cheap, small panniers
I want a simple, open design suitable for a front lowrider rack (Tubus Duo, in case it matters). These will be used to augments the large Dutch panniers on the rear of the Motobecane grocery bike -- somewhere I can put the tomatos and bananas with less danger of squishing them. Black preferred. Trade or $. Anyone? And a question: I am assuming that I can safely mount a load on even the lightish 531 fork of this 1973 racing bike? The Duo will mount via Tubus's well made clamps and the front bags, if I get them, will not carry more than, say, 15 lb between the two. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Welcome Spring!
Beautiful day and landscapes; thanks for the photos. The skies look as blue as NM skies, which is saying a lot since most of NM is a few thousand feet above sea level -- lowest point just under 3,000 feet and the mean is 5,700. Nice bike, too. On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:29 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote: A good day on the Bleriot today. Saw little leaguers practicing, a guy mowing his lawn, the sun was out, and I got a bug in my eye. I think spring is about here! A few hours on the Tolt Pipline Trail to celebrate. http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157626304557016/ Rob Markwardt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: First time out on Sam in 2011
Actually was able to get out on my SH yesterday. 40 miles without studded tires. Nice feeling. http://tinyurl.com/68eozoe Ended up being a salmon to a large group out training for the Alamanzo 100 later this spring. Guessing at least 150 riders. Of course, was too dumbfounded to grab my camera. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mar 18, 9:02 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Very nice. Am hoping to get mine out tomorrow. Just installed SKS Longboards. Of course, we're looking at more snow again in MN next week. No matter how I look at it, this winter is starting to drag. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mar 18, 7:58 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: Spring is finally arriving in Iowa, and today was the first, short, but glorious spin on the Sam, outfitted over the winter with a few new (or at least different) bits and pieces. What a pleasure it is to ride! The Schwalbe tires not only are Supreme-y, they are dreamy. http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/5538182639/in/photostream/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Walnut Creek Colorway?
Not that they are into color matching or anything... https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bzLe7Pxy6OWKnmFaVfCaKQ?feat=directlink (great ride yesterday btw. 70 odd miles and lots of climbing. Roads varied from fresh asphalt to very coarse chipseal. Rode on an old pair of Maxy Fastys that had been on the shelf for a few years. 65 psi, mid range inflation, was very good. I have been riding the past couple of years on Oursons, and will probably put them back on soon. They're more supple and I like the bigger tires.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: ISO cheap, small panniers
Have you looked at Ironweed panniers? Site: http://www.ironweedbp.com/index.html Check out the gallery for how the smaller Alyce model looks/works on a front low-rider rack: http://www.ironweedbp.com/gallery.html -- Forrest (Iowa City, home of Ironweed Panniers) On Mar 20, 3:14 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I want a simple, open design suitable for a front lowrider rack (Tubus Duo, in case it matters). These will be used to augments the large Dutch panniers on the rear of the Motobecane grocery bike -- somewhere I can put the tomatos and bananas with less danger of squishing them. Black preferred. Trade or $. Anyone? And a question: I am assuming that I can safely mount a load on even the lightish 531 fork of this 1973 racing bike? The Duo will mount via Tubus's well made clamps and the front bags, if I get them, will not carry more than, say, 15 lb between the two. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Welcome Spring!
Welcome Spring depends on where you live. We still have 2-3 foot deep snow drifts. Still looks like winter. It's not reliably spring here until May. This year we'll go from winter to major flooding then spring. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis
I want to thank everyone for their help on this. I am going nuts now about finding my PBH. I got my step father to read another one again and got 86.5 cm. Ugh. I have to ask my brother if he will do it for me again which he got 85cm. I just want a little consistency. LOL. I got my tax refunds now so I am ready now to start talking to them about what I plan to do with the bicycle, what size I need and what components I want. THanks again for everyone help K. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my saddle. If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem. This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would have to be adjusted accordingly. So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between the top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a guide. Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise. I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life. More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my rides now. And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years as we get older and hit the 5th floor! Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/ René Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Khalid I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you. Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance. It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance liberates you to go bigger. It also depends somewhat on who you talk to. I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a 58 or a 61 (PBH 87). When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it was right there. I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but barely. Harry looked and said That looks like your size. They didn't have a 58 on hand at the time. On a different day, I was talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any fitting with me. I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and he said Are you sure you are tall enough for a 58? So it's not completely rigid, their approach. My point is that both the 58 and the 61 can work for a person your size. It will come down to your decision, which will be based somewhat on your riding style and attitude. If your riding style and attitude towards cycling changes a lot over the next year or two, then it is possible that you might grow to love a bike that seemed too big at the beginning, or might grow to regret that you got something that is one size off. That's probably the biggest piece, the guesswork on where your opinions will lie a few thousand miles down the road. I guarantee you could find several Atlantis owners that are exactly your size who love their 58, and others exactly your size who love their 61. There's probably a few who ride a 56, and are similarly convinced they got their size. I'm
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis
Just want to reply that I like how your bicycle is set up Rene even the saddle. I have read that the new Berthoud Gilles Saddles are comfortable although some people think it is kind of cheap that they have that plastic under there. Even though that is the case, there hasnt been any reports that the plastic has cracked during the riding and in fact, people have said that this plastic material is strong. It also looks like they put alot of thought in designing that saddle to compete with the Brooks since it has thicker leather and parts can be easily replace versus hammered copper nails of the Brooks. ALso, it is alot more expensive than the Brooks ($225 at PeterWhite Cycles). It may be worth it if you get alot of wear and tear out of the saddle and parts can be easily replaced. Thanks Khalid Mateen On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my saddle. If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem. This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would have to be adjusted accordingly. So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between the top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a guide. Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise. I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life. More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my rides now. And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years as we get older and hit the 5th floor! Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/ René Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Khalid I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you. Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance. It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance liberates you to go bigger. It also depends somewhat on who you talk to. I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a 58 or a 61 (PBH 87). When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it was right there. I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but barely. Harry looked and said That looks like your size. They didn't have a 58 on hand at the time. On a different day, I was talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any fitting with me. I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and he said Are you sure you are tall enough for a 58? So it's not completely rigid, their approach. My point is that both the 58 and the 61 can work for a person your size. It will come down to your decision, which will be based somewhat on your riding style and attitude. If your riding style and attitude towards cycling changes a lot over the next year or two, then it is possible that you might grow to love a bike that seemed too big at the beginning, or might grow to regret that you got something that is one size off. That's probably
[RBW] Photo of Painted, Lugged Rivendell Stem
I'm separately making a post to this link because I thought the group would enjoy seeing this incredible paint job that highlights the full glory of a lugged, steel bike by Rivendell! Grant and the crew surprised us with this extra touch on a 56 Atlantis. Unfortunately we found ourselves needing to sell the bike. Enjoy the picture and contact me with any questions. Here's the picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16941981@N02/5542600777/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: His/Hers Atlantis' for Sale
I've added a link to a picture of the stem on the 56 Atlantis for sale: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16941981@N02/5542600777/ On Mar 18, 1:02 pm, Matthew grabyourc...@yahoo.com wrote: I will soon be posting two Atlantis' for sale on ebay. I'm giving the members here an opportunity to purchase them before resorting to an auction. I have a 61 Atlantis, custom-painted silver and fully loaded: Honjo fenders, Tubus titanium rear rack, Brooks B17 with titanium rails, drop bars, spare moustache bars (shellack'd and with a lugged stem), and much more. I also have a 56 Atlantis, custom-painted pink/cream--even the lugged stem is painted in the color scheme (my jaw dropped at this surprise detail). Let me know if you have questions or interest. I am in the process of collecting a detailed component list and pictures. thanks, Matthew grabyourc...@yahoo.com Vienna, VA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Protecting bike in bike storage room
on 3/19/11 5:04 PM, Bridgestone at alancr...@mac.com wrote: Looks like I'm going to have to store my bike in my apartment's jam- packed bicycle room. It will be hanging from a hook, perilously close to another bicycle that could likely scratch the paint right off of my frame. Any tips for protecting my bike? Pipe insulation, etc? Same hook every time? The suggestion for securing moving blankets seemed pretty good. If things tend to move around a lot, then a set of dense pipe insulation foam cut to size for the frame would probably work well. Though, I think you are most likely to end up with scratches near the chain/seatstay + rear axle area, or fork legs. I would definitely work the social aspect of the issue as well. If there's someone else who has a nice bicycle, then stowing next to them would have two people with the same type of concerns. It's probably most likely to be pedals or brakes with sharp edges or corners which will do the gouging. best of luck! - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I carried my bike inside the front door, a privilege earned by steady patronage. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Regards, K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486164322 Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
on 3/20/11 7:38 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Not sure I agree with your supposition about one being superior. Grant has posted/written a number of times about the excellent quality of both Toyo and Waterford. There are a few stylistic differences between the builds, but nothing which seems to change the functionality. That may cause someone to compare and say, given the choice, I prefer that one... There has been some discussion of this. If you go back through the group archives, you'll probably find as many people who want to buy a us-built Riv as want to buy the last of the Toyo frames. But, as I said to start, I don't recall anyone making the case for one being superior. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines She edged in to get a better look at the bike, how it was made, the intricacy of its brakes and shifters pulling her straight in. Beauty. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
Nice! --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:20 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486164322 Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis
Hi Khalid, I think the Berthoud saddle is worth it's cost. It's certainly more comfortable and there are absolutely no issues with the plastic bottom. In fact, it's almost invisible with a saddlebag. I've also heard a lot of complaints regarding durability with the newer Brooks saddles. Anyway, for me the saddle width is perfect and I love its flatter top. My Brooks had to have the nose so high so I wouldn't slide forward so much. Enjoy your Atlantis! René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: Just want to reply that I like how your bicycle is set up Rene even the saddle. I have read that the new Berthoud Gilles Saddles are comfortable although some people think it is kind of cheap that they have that plastic under there. Even though that is the case, there hasnt been any reports that the plastic has cracked during the riding and in fact, people have said that this plastic material is strong. It also looks like they put alot of thought in designing that saddle to compete with the Brooks since it has thicker leather and parts can be easily replace versus hammered copper nails of the Brooks. ALso, it is alot more expensive than the Brooks ($225 at PeterWhite Cycles). It may be worth it if you get alot of wear and tear out of the saddle and parts can be easily replaced. Thanks Khalid Mateen On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my saddle. If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem. This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would have to be adjusted accordingly. So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between the top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a guide. Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise. I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life. More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my rides now. And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years as we get older and hit the 5th floor! Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/ René Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Khalid I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you. Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance. It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance liberates you to go bigger. It also depends somewhat on who you talk to. I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a 58 or a 61 (PBH 87). When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it was right there. I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but barely. Harry looked and said That looks like your size. They didn't have a 58 on hand at the time. On a different day, I was talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any fitting with me. I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and he
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis
FWIW, Wallingford has a FANTASTIC return/exchange policy on saddles, might want to look them up if you're not sure on the saddle: http://wallbike.com/catalog/saddles/berthoud-leatherline-saddles On 3/20/11, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Khalid, I think the Berthoud saddle is worth it's cost. It's certainly more comfortable and there are absolutely no issues with the plastic bottom. In fact, it's almost invisible with a saddlebag. I've also heard a lot of complaints regarding durability with the newer Brooks saddles. Anyway, for me the saddle width is perfect and I love its flatter top. My Brooks had to have the nose so high so I wouldn't slide forward so much. Enjoy your Atlantis! René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: Just want to reply that I like how your bicycle is set up Rene even the saddle. I have read that the new Berthoud Gilles Saddles are comfortable although some people think it is kind of cheap that they have that plastic under there. Even though that is the case, there hasnt been any reports that the plastic has cracked during the riding and in fact, people have said that this plastic material is strong. It also looks like they put alot of thought in designing that saddle to compete with the Brooks since it has thicker leather and parts can be easily replace versus hammered copper nails of the Brooks. ALso, it is alot more expensive than the Brooks ($225 at PeterWhite Cycles). It may be worth it if you get alot of wear and tear out of the saddle and parts can be easily replaced. Thanks Khalid Mateen On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my saddle. If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem. This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would have to be adjusted accordingly. So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between the top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a guide. Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise. I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life. More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my rides now. And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years as we get older and hit the 5th floor! Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/ René Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Khalid I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you. Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance. It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance liberates you to go bigger. It also depends somewhat on who you talk to. I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a 58 or a 61 (PBH 87). When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it was right there. I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but
Re: [RBW] Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
Echoing Jim's comment below, RBW has gone to some length to assert that the quality is equal, regardless of location. In some cases where a bike might have been made at both places in the same time frame, Grant went so far as to say that buyers had no choice as to which shop would provide their bike. From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 12:21:56 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis Re: [RBW] Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis Grant has posted/written a number of times about the excellent quality of both Toyo and Waterford. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: [BOB] New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
That's not suburban decay, that's my van! On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Chris Cullum cullum.ch...@gmail.comwrote: That rack is very nice. Simple, elegant, understated, a study in contrasts with the suburban decay in the background... -- Chris Cullum Vancouver, BC -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
I would love to own an Atlantis, no matter where it is made. I do have a general bias in favor of buying as close to home as possible but that is not based on any assumptions about quality. michael On Mar 20, 11:38 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Regards, K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
I think the Toyo factory has been making the Atlantis the longest but lets be realistic, Other builders can make fine frames too. The process using commonly available jigs and cutting tools insures consistency assuming the brazing is done by equally skilled hands which I am sure it is. The lug parts are the same as is the tubing unless brand names have anything to do with quality (which it doesn't) for the most part. I think the industry as a whole should de-mystify the whole process. Where you get one would seem to have more to do with cost and availability not to mention the strength of the dollar vs. the yen or whatever import taxes or shipping costs are involved. I don't think Grant has a preference either way. I believe he just wants to make them available at a cost that allows the company a profit and at a quality that is consistent. The Atlantis is most likely a best seller and a good all around bicycle for most riders. I've always wanted one but have had to make compromises economically when it comes to bicycles. No matter where its made the Atlantis frame is well thought out with a nice blend of features that I personally wouldn't mind owning. On Mar 20, 8:38 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Regards, K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
Very nice and clean..I am building a rear rack also that will be shorter and will be used primarily as a bag support. I plan on a tail light mount and a similar minimalist design. Glad you posted photos. I would think you should be able to find suitable long bolts at any auto parts or hardware store that stocks stainless bolts. On Mar 20, 9:20 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486... Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
Nice looking bike and rack, Patrick! I think, however, that your gas mileage on the van must be decreased by the number of stickers on the back! Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Mar 20, 9:20 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486... Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
The Waterford facility is a first class operation that was spun off from the Schwinn Chicago plant in 1980 solely to build the Paramount class of bicycles (becoming the Paramount Design Group as a separate Schwinn operation). The Waterford facility is now owned by Richard Schwinn (he of the Ignaz Schwinn dynasty) and Marc Muller who is the chief designer (and was originally tapped by Edwin Schwinn to start up the Waterford plant). These people have decades of experience building fine bicycles and they've been quite closely involved with Rivendell Bicycle Works since Grant started up in 1995. Other than Grant himself, Richard Schwinn, Marc Muller and Richard Sachs were quite involved in the original Rivendell design and start-up. Waterford has been around from the beginning. I think that there's absolutely no reason to believe that the Atlantis bicycles built in Waterford are inferior to the Toyo bikes. Personally, I'd be quite happy to own a Waterford built Atlantis! Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Mar 20, 8:38 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Regards, K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
Concerning the detail differences between the two Atlanti, do you know what they are? I don't remember seeing them discussed anywhere. Not that it's here or there, but I think my Atlantis is a Waterford having come (used) in a Waterford box but then that doesn't really prove anything. I have a mild curiosity though either factory would be just fine. On Mar 20, 12:21 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 3/20/11 7:38 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Not sure I agree with your supposition about one being superior. Grant has posted/written a number of times about the excellent quality of both Toyo and Waterford. There are a few stylistic differences between the builds, but nothing which seems to change the functionality. That may cause someone to compare and say, given the choice, I prefer that one... There has been some discussion of this. If you go back through the group archives, you'll probably find as many people who want to buy a us-built Riv as want to buy the last of the Toyo frames. But, as I said to start, I don't recall anyone making the case for one being superior. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines She edged in to get a better look at the bike, how it was made, the intricacy of its brakes and shifters pulling her straight in. Beauty. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
Khalid: I'm diving in here without reading any further posts, so forgive me if others make similar points. First, I'll bet there is absolutely ZERO difference in quality between Toyo Waterford frames. It's Rivendell's lugs spec on the tubing. I'll speculate that Rivendell has sawed thru a lot of brazed joints to see what potential vendors produce, and that only the best are selected to produce frames. Second, only Riv could say whether there was a run on frames or not. But people in general have a fear of change so some fence sitters may have been motivated to buy, knowing Toyo's reputation. On a more general note, Waterford has been building frames for a long time and has an excellent reputation. I can't believe anyone could make them any better. FWIW, mine is an '03. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Waterford, and am willing to bet I couldn't tell the difference. Well, they get a kickstand plate now which I'd really like to have. dougP On Mar 20, 8:38 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Regards, K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Old-school ATB, w/lugged steel frameset
Schwinn High Sierra, early generation, circa early/mid 1980's. 19.5 c-t; TT 23.5 c-c; very relaxed geometry. Overhauled by shop mechanic with mostly new parts. Lugged steel frame is in excellent used condition, with a fork crown to die for. $300 ready to ride. I would prefer local pickup in Portland, OR because shipping would cost a lot (probably at least $75-80 in conusa). Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/5544103111/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/5544676582/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/5544100507/ Please email off-list if interested. --Beth http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS: Old-school ATB, w/lugged steel frameset
Nice bike, Beth! Reminds me of my Pashley Guvnor, but with gears. Relaxed geometry, you say? I like to call the Pashley's slack angles, unconscious. --Eric N Sent from the iPad 2 On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:30 PM, b hamon periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: Schwinn High Sierra, early generation, circa early/mid 1980's. 19.5 c-t; TT 23.5 c-c; very relaxed geometry. Overhauled by shop mechanic with mostly new parts. Lugged steel frame is in excellent used condition, with a fork crown to die for. $300 ready to ride. I would prefer local pickup in Portland, OR because shipping would cost a lot (probably at least $75-80 in conusa). Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/5544103111/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/5544676582/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/5544100507/ Please email off-list if interested. --Beth http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sturmey S3X hub arrived yesterday!
I will do my best to break this hub. The most interesting thing so far, now that it's out of the plastic, is that you can slide a cassette cog onto the splines, and then thread a fixed-gear cog on after. No lockring, but I'm on record as eschewing them, anyway. Pictures are here: http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/sturmey-s3x-arrives/ And here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/sets/72157626185543293/ Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Mar 19, 9:49 am, ekoral eko...@gmail.com wrote: sounds awesome! i'm very curious about these hubs and how much they'll actually hold up over time with the torque thats put on a fixed gear drivetrain. let us know how you like it, and how it feels in comparison to a traditional fixed hub. eli On Mar 18, 1:39 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I'm excited to build this up for the Quickbeam. It's red, which I don't love, but it was the only color 120mm 32h hubs come in. The real answer was to buy a 36h rim and spokes, and a black S3X, but... I just got a pair of $15 rims and $16 spoke set from IRO which allowed me to swing the $120 hub. I may paint the hub black before I build it, in order to make it completely unsellable... :^) It also has a thumbshifter, not a bar-end shifter, but I intend to mount the shifter-part to the seatstay, anyway. Philip Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
Patrick: That is nicely done, very tasteful. Does your rack maker do this as a regular part of his business or is he interested in doing customs? The work looks beautiful. I have a Nitto big rack on the back of the Atlantis. While functional, it does look look like a bridge, with the corner bracing generally rectangular look. I've often mused on something simpler, but need to support perhaps 30 lbs at the max. Mass produced racks seem to be at the extremes, designed either for a 10 lb trunk bag or 50 lbs touring load. dougP On Mar 20, 9:20 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486... Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
Doug, I saw that the rack builder will be at the San Diego Handmade bike show in April. You could see him there. I really like his MTB fork crowns too. http://www.matthewscustomcycles.blogspot.com/ ~Mike On Mar 20, 3:59 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Patrick: That is nicely done, very tasteful. Does your rack maker do this as a regular part of his business or is he interested in doing customs? The work looks beautiful. I have a Nitto big rack on the back of the Atlantis. While functional, it does look look like a bridge, with the corner bracing generally rectangular look. I've often mused on something simpler, but need to support perhaps 30 lbs at the max. Mass produced racks seem to be at the extremes, designed either for a 10 lb trunk bag or 50 lbs touring load. dougP On Mar 20, 9:20 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486... Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
Thanks. AFAIK, all his racks are customs. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Patrick: That is nicely done, very tasteful. Does your rack maker do this as a regular part of his business or is he interested in doing customs? The work looks beautiful. I have a Nitto big rack on the back of the Atlantis. While functional, it does look look like a bridge, with the corner bracing generally rectangular look. I've often mused on something simpler, but need to support perhaps 30 lbs at the max. Mass produced racks seem to be at the extremes, designed either for a 10 lb trunk bag or 50 lbs touring load. dougP On Mar 20, 9:20 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486... Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
Ride'em both blind folded and I'll bet you or anybody else (myself included) could not tell the difference. They are both as good as it gets. On Mar 20, 10:38 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Regards, K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
Detail differences assessed when I ode red mine last year are as follows: - Slight color difference. The Waterford is just slightly livelier with a spark that the Toyo lacks. The Toyo is a bit more matte; very subtle but noticeable only when doing a side by side comparison. Otherwise I'd say not detectable. I was only able to tell because just once, I met another Atlantis on Caltrain and the two bikes rode side by side. - Default Waterford frame has a horizontal (front to back) hole on the seat stay connector (little horizontal tube where on other bikes the rear brake would be bolted). This requires an L bracket to be used for rear fenders. The Toyo has the vertical attachment so the rear fender can be bolted directly to it without needing the bracket. When I ordered mine I wanted the direct attachment so Keven special order it for me. - Toyo fork doesn't have all the braze-ons to attach all types of front racks. Again, when I ordered mine, Keven special ordered the fork to match the Bombadil fork and get all the various braze-ons. -There might also be some subtle differences on the design of the seat stays but I wasn't able to tell those fromm looking at the different photos and believe they are irrelevant for all practical purposes. I'd say don't sweet the differences as you can get the Waterford frame with the rear adaptor for the direct fender attachment and also all the braze-ons on the fork. Personally, I like the vibrancy of the Waterford colors on both the Homer and the Atlantis more. On the Homer the blue is quite different, on the Atlantis it barely is. René Sent from my iPad On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Concerning the detail differences between the two Atlanti, do you know what they are? I don't remember seeing them discussed anywhere. Not that it's here or there, but I think my Atlantis is a Waterford having come (used) in a Waterford box but then that doesn't really prove anything. I have a mild curiosity though either factory would be just fine. On Mar 20, 12:21 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 3/20/11 7:38 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Not sure I agree with your supposition about one being superior. Grant has posted/written a number of times about the excellent quality of both Toyo and Waterford. There are a few stylistic differences between the builds, but nothing which seems to change the functionality. That may cause someone to compare and say, given the choice, I prefer that one... There has been some discussion of this. If you go back through the group archives, you'll probably find as many people who want to buy a us-built Riv as want to buy the last of the Toyo frames. But, as I said to start, I don't recall anyone making the case for one being superior. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines She edged in to get a better look at the bike, how it was made, the intricacy of its brakes and shifters pulling her straight in. Beauty. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: [BOB] New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:20 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486164322 Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com That rack is very nice. Simple, elegant, understated, a study in contrasts with the suburban decay in the background... -- Chris Cullum Vancouver, BC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Bridgestone Horse of a different color poster
New, never hung, in original box shipped from Grant Petersen's garage during the last days of the BOB/beginning of RBW. IIRC these are going for around $100 on ebay, so I would like to sell it here for $75 shipped in the CONUS. Pix of the rolled up one and a mounted one to show as an example http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5545133598/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5544557383/in/photostream/ -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
I hate racks and think we Riv owners hang way too much junk on our bikes, but man that is a beauty. I'd put that on even if I never carried anything. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:20 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486164322 Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
Oh boy. Here goes!! Anytime my money can keep somebody working in Wisconsin, I'm for it, all else being equal. I think GP feels this way also, but I am not, repeat NOT speaking for him. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Regards, K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Welcome Spring!
I feel your pain In NW CT it was 74 on Fri and yesterday about 30 deg cooler w/ a howling NW wind, which made the riding just suck beyond all belief, but I never was that smart so I was right out there in it. Most of my ride are out/back or loops but still have out/back sections. So in the headwind (I'm 6'6) my natural barn-door physique had me grinding out, making 400 watts, and being slower at the bottom of a hill I had just descended than I was at the top, the epitome of suffering. Of course then on the last 10 +/- miles headed South and coming home, I flew in the 53x12 even on most upgrades and felt like Eddy/Greg/Lance et al on their best days. Hey if it was easy. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: Welcome Spring depends on where you live. We still have 2-3 foot deep snow drifts. Still looks like winter. It's not reliably spring here until May. This year we'll go from winter to major flooding then spring. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
powdercoated...or plated? very nice! On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:12 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. AFAIK, all his racks are customs. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Patrick: That is nicely done, very tasteful. Does your rack maker do this as a regular part of his business or is he interested in doing customs? The work looks beautiful. I have a Nitto big rack on the back of the Atlantis. While functional, it does look look like a bridge, with the corner bracing generally rectangular look. I've often mused on something simpler, but need to support perhaps 30 lbs at the max. Mass produced racks seem to be at the extremes, designed either for a 10 lb trunk bag or 50 lbs touring load. dougP On Mar 20, 9:20 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486. .. Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTT: my 48cm noodle bars and tiagra levers for your.......
hi all! i would like to trade my 48cm noodles and tiagra road levers that riv sells. the bars are in good shape with typical wear and tear marks and the levers are in excellent shape with hardly any wear. I need any of the following: -dull brite 150mm bulmoose bars -nitto mini front rack -sackville saddlesack small in olive -quickbeam crank 170 or 175 -brooks/mercia/selle anatomica saddle I would be willing to make up the difference/take money to equal out trades but not too much though maybe 20 or 30 dollars max. i just have some extra riv stuff and need some other riv stuff for my quickbeam and I thought a trade would be fun. thanks for your time. rex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
Now I know where to send my un-stuck stickers. I gave away the bike that used to receive them all. I love that rack. Is the mount to the brake bridge threaded with a nut, or internally tapped for a bolt? Dead sexy either way. You have the best taste in bikes. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Mar 20, 9:20 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486... Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Bridgestone Horse of a different color poster
Aand it looks like we have a winner! Poster is spoken for, thanks for the interest!!! On 3/20/11, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: New, never hung, in original box shipped from Grant Petersen's garage during the last days of the BOB/beginning of RBW. IIRC these are going for around $100 on ebay, so I would like to sell it here for $75 shipped in the CONUS. Pix of the rolled up one and a mounted one to show as an example http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5545133598/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5544557383/in/photostream/ -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTB: MKS sneaker pedals
I need a couple pairs of these and thought some of y'all might have tried them and moved on to different pedals. Thanks! Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New, custom, minimalist ss rack for Riv commuter
I love racks; it's the only way I can hang all my junk onto my bike :). Seriously, a nice looking rack can enhance both the beauty and utility of a bike. dougP On Mar 20, 11:20 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: I hate racks and think we Riv owners hang way too much junk on our bikes, but man that is a beauty. I'd put that on even if I never carried anything. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:20 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5586195366486... Lighter than the already very light Fly and very stiff. I'll not put more than 25 lb on it anyway. I found that it is 1 cm too close to the rear fender at the fender's apogee, where the hooks/clips on the Ortliebs contact the fender. I cut material from the hooks and, for good measure dimpled the fender where the forward hooks contacted it, this last probably not necessary. I plan to bolt a battery light of some sort at the tail end of the rack; a hole is provided. Learn by experience: one more cm would have made all this unnecessary; my fault for not thinking of it. One little issue: the rack struts (nicely lugged at the attachment point) are about 1 cm wide so that even the 1 cm long eyebolt for Berthoud type fenders is too short. Does anyone know if one can get, say, 12.5 mm eyebolts? Alternatively, I could use regular 1 cm eyebolts to mount the rack -- the struts flatten at the mounting point -- so that the eyebolt would serve the two purposes. Will these be strong enough? Right now I am using P or R clips from VO attached at the strut-to-frame mounting points. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Grant says the Simple One will now be a cantilever bike
among other things... http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/345 I know a lot of you prefer it that way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Grant says the Simple One will now be a cantilever bike
NICE!! This just put it back on my shopping list, edging out a Handsome XOXO set up as a single speed. On Mar 20, 2011, at 8:21 PM, William wrote: among other things... http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/345 I know a lot of you prefer it that way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant says the Simple One will now be a cantilever bike
Actually I would have preferred center or sidepulls. They are easier to setup and I have some already. I may go another route anyway so...perhaps the change will help sales for Rivendell and that sounds like a good thing. On Mar 20, 8:21 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: among other things... http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/345 I know a lot of you prefer it that way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Today's brevet.
Kevin - it was great riding with you! Lynne F see you on the Three Capes - looks like the weather will be...damp. On Mar 15, 8:58 pm, Kevin Brightbill jaiete.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Mike! I don't think I met you on Saturday -- I remember seeing a rather beautiful A.H.H. at the start, though! I was on the white Colin Laing track bike... the one Birkie rider dumb enough to try it with a fixed gear! Hope to catch you for the Three Capes... though unless we get an unexpected forecast of 65 degrees and clear skies, I'll probably pull out my Trek 520 instead! Lynne, glad to see you on here -- it was a pleasure to meet up with you and Susan (and my friend Nick) near the end of the ride. Cheers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant says the Simple One will now be a cantilever bike
certainly for me. I much prefer canti's. Never cared for those caliper contraptions. The canti brake is so simple and works great too. Now if Grant could grab some pics of that slimy green paint job, I might just order one. ~Mike On Mar 20, 9:18 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Actually I would have preferred center or sidepulls. They are easier to setup and I have some already. I may go another route anyway so...perhaps the change will help sales for Rivendell and that sounds like a good thing. On Mar 20, 8:21 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: among other things... http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/345 I know a lot of you prefer it that way.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
I initiated a similar thread a few months ago, requesting differences between the Toyo and Waterford build Atlantis, and the issue was never fully resolved. The question is not about quality but differences, particularly gross features that are not beneath the paint. No one chimed in regarding one likely difference, the more complex bends in the Toyo chainstay. Whether anyone should be concerned about such differences is another issue, as is MUSA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Japanese Atlantis vs Wisconsin Waterford Atlantis
I have a Waterford on order as we speak, and already own a few and some old Paramounts (just watch that show Hoarders to understand), and like them very much. The experience shows and Richard does all the face time himself. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:30 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Khalid: I'm diving in here without reading any further posts, so forgive me if others make similar points. First, I'll bet there is absolutely ZERO difference in quality between Toyo Waterford frames. It's Rivendell's lugs spec on the tubing. I'll speculate that Rivendell has sawed thru a lot of brazed joints to see what potential vendors produce, and that only the best are selected to produce frames. Second, only Riv could say whether there was a run on frames or not. But people in general have a fear of change so some fence sitters may have been motivated to buy, knowing Toyo's reputation. On a more general note, Waterford has been building frames for a long time and has an excellent reputation. I can't believe anyone could make them any better. FWIW, mine is an '03. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Waterford, and am willing to bet I couldn't tell the difference. Well, they get a kickstand plate now which I'd really like to have. dougP On Mar 20, 8:38 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? Regards, K. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Gray Shimano derailer cable housing busted
Hi, yesterday, as I shifted my Sam with alacrity into the big chainring, the left silver shifter went past the limit of its range of motion determined by the derailer limit screw. I thought perhaps the cable had slipped, but then saw that the housing had burst in the loop coming from the bar-end shifter: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/5545443939/ This is 1.5 year old silver gray Shimano SIS SD housing purchased from Riv. I have never burst derailer housing, nor have I ever heard of it happening to others. Was this a manufacturing defect, low quality housing, or caused by UV damage, which the gray housing is presumably more subject to than black housing? Fortunately there remained enough tension on the cable that I could move the derailer cage by hand to shift and have it stay in place over the middle chainring. Has anyone had a similar experience? There is some sign of rust inside the housing, pointing towards a slow failure, probably starting with a crack in the gray housing. The gray outer covering on the tight loop leading to the rear derailer is also cracked. The bike is always parked in the car port, and is only subject to direct sunlight when I am riding or when it's parked outside the yoga studio or on errands (about 8 hours a week). I like the look of the silver, but if I have to replace the housing once a year, I'll probably go with black housing, of which I have a spool. Or should I go with silver gray *brake* housing, since I only use friction shifting anyway? Thanks, Gernot Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
