Re: [RBW] Re: WTB quickbeam or simple one

[Ray Shine]

 I'm in San Francisco and own a Gen 1 QB, 56.   Willing to discuss a sale.  
Prefer to talk off-forum.

On Friday, May 29, 2020, 10:38:12 AM PDT, ted  
wrote:  
 
 Andrew,
Where are you located?I'm in the SF bay area (abt 20mi south of RBW) and have a 
seriously underutilized 56 Simple One that I commuted on before I retired.If 
you are anywhere near here maybe I should consider moving on.
regardsTed Kelly

On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 6:46:46 AM UTC-7, Andrew Huston wrote:
Likely a long shot. Probably a 54 or 56. 5’10 and 84 PBH. 


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Re: [RBW] Only 1 17/20 Dingle left: $43 shipped CONUS

[Ray Shine]

 Thanks, Kai!  Good one!  Just remember, it's not how you look, it's how you 
feel.

On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 9:36:22 PM PDT, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 Only 1 17/20 Dingle left: $43 shipped CONUS





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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Ray Shine]

Yes, I agree.  Large selection these days, as well.

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> On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:08 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> I've got an E-bike & seeing as the whole bike cost about the same as my 
> Clementine; there's hardly reason enough to buy a Rivendell and electrify it; 
> cheaper just to buy a complete Ebike. It will work better then a converted 
> bike as well. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam fenders

[Ray Shine]

Thank you, Cyndee!


  From: Stephen D 
 To: RBW Owners Bunch  
 Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:12 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam fenders
   
My wife is running 45mm velo orange fenders with Barlow Pass tires in a 56cm 
Sam.

Here's some pics: https://flickr.com/photos/72597112@N00/sets/72157664785138301

If you look at newest pics I added to my general Flickr account, you can see 
the clearance that we obtaines

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Re: [RBW] Re: Acorn Bags (acornbags.com) boxy rando bags!

[Ray Shine]

I used the Acorn bags for several years, then switched to the V-brand saddle 
bag. I also like my Swift Industries Roll top panniers.

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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:10 AM, WETH  wrote:
> 
> Your bags look quite nice. I am sure you will get great satisfaction using 
> them.  I have enjoyed my acorn bags. The tool bag is always with me!
> 
>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 1:04:35 PM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>> I'm surprised these haven't been mentioned here (or at least I haven't SEEN 
>> them mentioned!) - but Acorn Bags are very, very nice!  We just got ours in 
>> today and they look very, very nice.  The new colors seem almost chosen to 
>> go well with the current Sam production colors.  I got "Gray" for mine, and 
>> she got "Dark Olive" for hers.  They may be hard to get (handmade by a 
>> husband/wife team, so production is limited) but it seems worth the trouble 
>> (and cost).
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

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I won't repeat what all of the others have said, asI agree 100% that it is a 
great bike. I have become so rivvified that I seldom even bother changing the 
chain wheel anymore. Instead, I just get off and walk up the hill. I love it.

 
  From: "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
 To: "'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'"  
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 7:45 AM
 Subject: RE: [RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics
   
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have too many bikes, including several Rivs.  My QB (second bike I purchased 
after I started riding again 10 years ago) is still my favorite.  Many here 
have used the word magic.  I'm down with that, but part of that magic is how 
versatile it is.  I've done 30 mile rides over pretty steep rollers, several 75 
milers over flat terrain, hauled heavy loads, commuted semi-regularly on a 
ten-mile trail commute . . . it does everything I've asked of it, gracefully.  
I just love it.    

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Comotion001
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:30 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics    I'm considering purchasing a 
used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I like the fact that I can put wider 
tires on it than what I'm currently riding.  I'm curious about the riding 
characteristics and would like to hear feedback from other QB owners. Thanks 
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Re: [RBW] Classic Raleigh 3-Speed Sport FS in Sacramento

[Ray Shine]

I didn't think those old bikes were so well remembered. Funny. My old friend 
who lives across the park has a garage loaded with old Raleighs like this (not 
step thru) and Pughs. They even have the same frame mounted, painted pumps that 
came standard on the bikes.  He asked me once to try and sell them for him, but 
I never got around to it.  His garage is a gold mine of old collectibles, 
ranging from these bikes, all the way up to a Delorean roadster.  I guess he's 
kind of a hoarder.

 
  From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
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 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 4:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Classic Raleigh 3-Speed Sport FS in Sacramento
   
 Still one of the nicest townie bikes ever, in my opinion.  First time I've 
seen one with tires with tan sidewalls, usually those 26 x 1 3/8 650A tires are 
black.
 
 

On 08/08/2015 06:43 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
  
 
 Thought this bike would be of interest to some on this group. I happened 
across this at an estate sale—a 1970s Raleigh Sport that has spent the past 30+ 
years in storage. Excellent, near-mint condition, with original everything that 
appears pretty much as it did when the bike was new. 
  https://www.flickr.com/gp/campyonlyguy/34w76B  
  I already have a Raleigh that I use (a little) as a town bike, so this one is 
up for sale. 
  The bike is on display and available for purchase at Edible Pedal in Midtown 
Sacramento. Hit them up for a test ride! 
 
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Re: [RBW] FS 59cm Bleriot

[Ray Shine]

Dave -- Please contact me off-list at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net. Off-topic inquiry.
Ray

 
  From: Dave Brandt pacificabra...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:31 PM
 Subject: [RBW] FS 59cm Bleriot
   
Big Bump!!!
Adding a second wheelset, also Velocity Synergy laced by Rich.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Ray Shine]

Good to hear that from a local. Even a fence would not dump a stolen bike for 
$30!  I have always favored independent store owners -- like bike shops -- and 
such a shop is a value to the community.  Still, it bears looking into.

 
  From: Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net
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Cc: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!
   
For what it's worth, I know that hardware store and know some of the Hornungs 
as well. I do not 100% buy that person's story and doubt that they had that 
bike there for $30. I could be wrong but I think that was just a story for the 
cops.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4, Ray Shine wrote:
It sounds to me like the hardware store owner is pretty much a fence for 
bicycle thieves, and maybe other goodies. I'd boycott that place and put out 
the word for others to do the same. No telling what he's stashed in his back 
room.

 
  From: Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:24 AM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!
   
Great story... amazing to read it unfold. 
Is the PD looking into that hardware store? 
Happy riding,Shoji

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

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It sounds to me like the hardware store owner is pretty much a fence for 
bicycle thieves, and maybe other goodies. I'd boycott that place and put out 
the word for others to do the same. No telling what he's stashed in his back 
room.

 
  From: Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:24 AM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!
   
Great story... amazing to read it unfold. 
Is the PD looking into that hardware store? 
Happy riding,Shoji

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Re: [RBW] FS: Testing local waters for complete bike sale of 59c Bleriot

[Ray Shine]

Well, as people are pointing out, the photo I thought I pasted in has not 
appeared in the message! Hnmmm, i will need to approach differently when we get 
home. Sorry all.

Sent from my iPhone.

 On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:36 PM, r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 
 I wonder if there is any local SF Bay Area  interest in my 59c Bleriot as 
 seen in this photo?  I will sell it as seen here for $850.  If there are no 
 local Rivvers interested, then I will most likely break it down and part it 
 out.  Briefly, it has Jitensha bars, cork grips, Sun Tour stem shifters, 
 V-Brand Keven's style  saddlebag, old set of Honsho fenders and Brooks B17S 
 (Women's model, but I like it for upright riding).
 
 If interested in local sale as you see it here, email me at 
 r.sh...@sbcglobal.net.
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: First trip to riv

[Ray Shine]

Yep. Stop in and shop away! It's a little hard to find, as it is more warehouse 
than storefront, but once inside, lots of neat things.

 
  From: George Millwood george.millw...@bigpond.com
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 4:40 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: First trip to riv
   


Excuse my abject ignorance but do you mean to say Rivendell operates a bicycle 
shop in Walnut Creek?  A shop where i can just drop in and shop to my hearts 
content?  I'm from Australia and stopping over in San Francisco on my way to a 
Parking Conference in Las Vegas in a couple of weeks.  I didn't know they 
operated a shop.  That'll be the best part of a day well spent.  I too have 
been an internet customer since '94 when i bought my first Brooks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: First trip to riv

[Ray Shine]

Oh, and it's just a one block walk from the Walnut Creek BART Station.

 
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Excuse my abject ignorance but do you mean to say Rivendell operates a bicycle 
shop in Walnut Creek?  A shop where i can just drop in and shop to my hearts 
content?  I'm from Australia and stopping over in San Francisco on my way to a 
Parking Conference in Las Vegas in a couple of weeks.  I didn't know they 
operated a shop.  That'll be the best part of a day well spent.  I too have 
been an internet customer since '94 when i bought my first Brooks.
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Re: [RBW] XSmall Sackville Saddle Bag ?

[Ray Shine]

Actually, this is first gen. No zipper. Just two twist tabs as shown. If you 
over-stuff it, the opening does spread, but not enough to lose anything. 
Frankly, the zippered bags are better. I used this without, however, with no 
problems. Access to interior is fine. Not sure what you mean by empty. It just 
hangs there. 

 
  From: Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 1:17 PM
 Subject: [RBW] XSmall Sackville Saddle Bag ?
   
I'm thinking about  changing my Saluki bag setup from the Barley bag to a front 
bag and a small saddle bag in back.  I would want to put a spare tire, levers, 
multi tool  wallet in it.
The zippered opening looks small, can you easily see what's in the bag?
What does the shape look like empty?
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Re: [RBW] FS: Racks and Bags

[Ray Shine]

Sorry, Dave. That bag has been taken. So has the Sackville bag, the Big Back 
Rack, and the VO rack.

 
  From: Dave Brandt pacificabra...@gmail.com
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:28 PM
 Subject: [RBW] FS: Racks and Bags
   
I'd love to get the Acorn bag from you. I'm not to computer savvy and can't 
figure out how to email you from my iPhone.



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Size 61 Canti-Romulus, built in 2006. $850

[Ray Shine]

I thought I had removed this. I'm sorry. This bike was sold.

 
  From: Don Funke bozemanchiroprac...@gmail.com
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 9:49 AM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: Size 61 Canti-Romulus, built in 2006. $850
   
The photo link has been removed. You might want to post another.

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:52:56 PM UTC-6, r.s...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

I am selling the first Rivendell that I ever purchased new.It is a 61 cm frame, 
built up in April of 2006. I purchased it on April 8,2006. It has long been one 
of my favorite Riv’s, but I have not ridden it toooften in the past few years, 
mainly because it still has drop bars. I muchprefer Alba’s these days, which 
all my other bikes now have.  I just can’t see this frame without theNoodles 
that it came with. It really is a road bike, and most of my rides thesedays are 
commutes or fireroads. The RBW descriptive about this frame was :  “The Romulus 
is a road frame, virtually interchangeablewith the Rambouillet, and it rides 
dreamily. But if you're reasonably skillfuland have reasonable judgement, 
you'll find it a delight on fire trails as well(with appropriate tires). The 
cantilver brakes open up the area under thecrown, and let's a lot of things 
happen there. When you pick your parts fromthis list, we'll make sure they all 
add up to a smart, working bike. Anyquestions, just ask, we're happy to answer 
anything. Toe clip overlap willhappen on 55cm  57cm frames, depending on your 
tire, and fenders. It's nota big deal, not worth fretting about, and most 
certainly is not a design goof.But some folks can't live with it, and if you're 
among 'em don't get one ofthese. SIZING: Refer to page 76 in the catalogue, to 
get your PBH. Your framesize is PBH minus 25 to 27. If minus 25 lands you on a 
61 and minus 27 says a59.” I have about 3800 miles on the frame and drivetrain. 
I don’tbaby my bikes, so it has reasonable beausage, but no dents. Always 
garaged.Mechanically, I take good cars of my bikes. However, I don’t wash and 
cleanthem often, and barely did a cursory wipe-down to prep for this sale. Just 
notmy thing. The longest single ride I took on this frame was an Oregoncoast 
ride in 2007.  I also haveridden it in several local centuries. I am asking 
$850 + cost of shipping.  If you live within 30 minutes of myhome in San 
Francisco (near the Golden Gate Bridge) I will bring it to you.PayPal is OK, 
otherwise a cashiers check from USPS. Contact me off-list to discuss:   
r.s...@sbcglobal.net

 Photo album in DropBox, here:    http://tinyurl.com/q9hf29x Ray   (List Member 
since 2006)

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Re: [RBW] FS: Size 61 Canti-Romulus, built in 2006. $850

[Ray Shine]

Wow! That was fast. It appears that the Canti-Rom will have a new home locally. 
I am 99% certain, so I am calling it a Sell at this point. Thank you all who 
expressed an interest.
Ray

 
  From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net r.sh...@sbcglobal.net
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 2:52 PM
 Subject: [RBW] FS: Size 61 Canti-Romulus, built in 2006. $850
   

#yiv1104706249 I am selling the first Rivendell that I ever purchased new.It is 
a 61 cm frame, built up in April of 2006. I purchased it on April 8,2006. It 
has long been one of my favorite Riv’s, but I have not ridden it toooften in 
the past few years, mainly because it still has drop bars. I muchprefer Alba’s 
these days, which all my other bikes now have.  I just can’t see this frame 
without theNoodles that it came with. It really is a road bike, and most of my 
rides thesedays are commutes or fireroads. The RBW descriptive about this frame 
was :  “The Romulus is a road frame, virtually interchangeablewith the 
Rambouillet, and it rides dreamily. But if you're reasonably skillfuland have 
reasonable judgement, you'll find it a delight on fire trails as well(with 
appropriate tires). The cantilver brakes open up the area under thecrown, and 
let's a lot of things happen there. When you pick your parts fromthis list, 
we'll make sure they all add up to a smart, working bike. Anyquestions, just 
ask, we're happy to answer anything. Toe clip overlap willhappen on 55cm  57cm 
frames, depending on your tire, and fenders. It's nota big deal, not worth 
fretting about, and most certainly is not a design goof.But some folks can't 
live with it, and if you're among 'em don't get one ofthese. SIZING: Refer to 
page 76 in the catalogue, to get your PBH. Your framesize is PBH minus 25 to 
27. If minus 25 lands you on a 61 and minus 27 says a59.” I have about 3800 
miles on the frame and drivetrain. I don’tbaby my bikes, so it has reasonable 
beausage, but no dents. Always garaged.Mechanically, I take good cars of my 
bikes. However, I don’t wash and cleanthem often, and barely did a cursory 
wipe-down to prep for this sale. Just notmy thing. The longest single ride I 
took on this frame was an Oregoncoast ride in 2007.  I also haveridden it in 
several local centuries. I am asking $850 + cost of shipping.  If you live 
within 30 minutes of myhome in San Francisco (near the Golden Gate Bridge) I 
will bring it to you.PayPal is OK, otherwise a cashiers check from USPS. 
Contact me off-list to discuss:   r.sh...@sbcglobal.net Photo album in DropBox, 
here:    http://tinyurl.com/q9hf29x Ray   (List Member since 2006)
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Re: [RBW] Busses/Bike thieves

[Ray Shine]

You know, despite these rolling smash-and-grab deals, it's still easy and very 
convenient to take a bus for part of one's ride. Each day, there are hundreds 
of cyclists who use the front racks to carry a bike along a section of a 
commute, or a sightseeing trip. The thefts are a miniscule number of those rack 
users.  I see the rear vertical racks on some of the private commuter busses 
(Google, Facebook, Genentec, etc.) and see most of those bikes not locked into 
the rack. Granted, they are not local runs, but still easy to take a bike at a 
red light or in commute traffic.

It's like all things urban; know where you are, where you are going, and use 
common sense. 






 From: Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Busses/Bike thieves
 


Hrm. Trolley busses. Northern California city.


A place with hills.


;)





On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

I won't ID the transit agency that I work for, but part of my job is to 
monitor on-board video of all rubber-tire revenue vehicles in a major NorCal 
city. We have video of suspects running into the street in front of a bus, 
causing it to stop abruptly, then removing bikes and riding away with them 
into the nearby projects. Another trick is run up behind and pull down the 
poles on a trolley bus, while a cohort grabs the bike(s) as the operator 
re-engages the poles. Common places for these thefts are on a down grade 
because the thief can shoot down the hill quickly and be gone regardless of 
the gear the bike was left in when racked. I absolutely recommend a U-lock 
through the rear wheel, but not to the rack That will most likely result in a 
bent wheel. Once they realize they can't ride it away, it most likely will get 
thrown down. (Also, if you are so inclined, be very careful about pursuing 
such a thief into the projects. These guys don't generally work
 alone.) 





 From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Busses/Bike thieves
 


I've heard of that happening, but two in one day from one route, crazy! Any 
sort of wheel immobilizer would work good, even a cheapy little retractable 
cable lock like skiers use. Just something to keep it from being rideable. 
One of those fast cable ones could even be wrapped around the base of the 
rack to keep the bike attached.





On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.net 
wrote:

A friend of mine witnessed this yesterday. A man put his bike on the front 
rack of one of our Metro busses here in Seattle then got on the bus. A 
second man then took the guy's bike off the rack and rode away on it. STOLE 
IT! Right of the front of the bus. The bus driver said that was the second 
time that's happened today. I saw a beautiful Atlantis on one of those racks 
as I rode into work this morning and I feel like I should give you all a 
warning. This is what it's come to.


If you're putting your bike on the bus stay up front where you can keep an 
eye on it. Also we thought perhaps if you locked the back wheel with a u 
lock they wouldn't be able to ride it at least.

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Re: [RBW] Busses/Bike thieves

[Ray Shine]

I won't ID the transit agency that I work for, but part of my job is to monitor 
on-board video of all rubber-tire revenue vehicles in a major NorCal city. We 
have video of suspects running into the street in front of a bus, causing it to 
stop abruptly, then removing bikes and riding away with them into the nearby 
projects. Another trick is run up behind and pull down the poles on a trolley 
bus, while a cohort grabs the bike(s) as the operator re-engages the poles. 
Common places for these thefts are on a down grade because the thief can shoot 
down the hill quickly and be gone regardless of the gear the bike was left in 
when racked. I absolutely recommend a U-lock through the rear wheel, but not to 
the rack That will most likely result in a bent wheel. Once they realize they 
can't ride it away, it most likely will get thrown down. (Also, if you are so 
inclined, be very careful about pursuing such a thief into the projects. These 
guys don't generally work
 alone.) 




 From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Busses/Bike thieves
 


I've heard of that happening, but two in one day from one route, crazy! Any 
sort of wheel immobilizer would work good, even a cheapy little retractable 
cable lock like skiers use. Just something to keep it from being rideable. One 
of those fast cable ones could even be wrapped around the base of the rack to 
keep the bike attached.





On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.net wrote:

A friend of mine witnessed this yesterday. A man put his bike on the front 
rack of one of our Metro busses here in Seattle then got on the bus. A second 
man then took the guy's bike off the rack and rode away on it. STOLE IT! Right 
of the front of the bus. The bus driver said that was the second time that's 
happened today. I saw a beautiful Atlantis on one of those racks as I rode 
into work this morning and I feel like I should give you all a warning. This 
is what it's come to.


If you're putting your bike on the bus stay up front where you can keep an 
eye on it. Also we thought perhaps if you locked the back wheel with a u lock 
they wouldn't be able to ride it at least.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Kryptonite Bike Lock Idea

[Ray Shine]

I have taught the same sort of lesson twice, the most recent just a few days 
ago. A worker at our corner deli had been locking her bike to a 2 pylon in 
front of our house (I placed it there to prevent the parallel parking 
challenged from backing into our newly planted sidewalk tree). The pipe sticks 
above the sidewalk only about 4 feet. The other day, I was present as she rode 
up, said hello, etc., then U-locked her bike to the pipe pylon. I suggested 
to her that wasn't the best locking practice. She looked puzzled, so I made the 
point by simply lifting her bike over the end of the pipe. 


I wish now I that had done it differently, as she was visibly quite 
embarrassed. I felt bad, as she is a very pleasant person. But, she at least 
locks up her bike more strategically now to another, much higher pole a bit 
further down the block. Also, it is capped with a Street Cleaning schedule sign 
that is much larger than the U-lock.






 From: Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Kryptonite Bike Lock Idea
 


On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:31:11 AM UTC-4, Sean Cleary wrote:
Wow, where do you live where there is such prominent bike theft, Andrew? The 
rare clues of bike theft that I've seen in our Minneapolis suburbs are orphan 
front wheels locked to a bike rack. Apparently the owners didn't understand 
the meaning of quick release skewers!



I had to re-explain that to my son, as I was dropping him back off at campus 
for his sophomore year.   He locked up his bike out front of his dorm with a 
Kryptonite U, but neglected to get it through the main triangle.  I walked 
over, flipped the QR lever and the canti-straddle, then started to walk off w/ 
his bike. Point made.  


I've used a cable along w/ a U for decades.   Haven't had one go missing, 
yet.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[Ray Shine]

I have toured on my Atlantis on the Western Express route and several other 
shorter trips. It has been a comfortable and wonderful bike, and I had no 
problems with the bike (other than just one flat tire in Pueblo, CO). That 
said, I definitely saw more fellow tourers on Long Haul Truckers than I did on 
any other make or model.  The two bikes are very similar.  I would not delay a 
trip just because a certain model bike was not yet available. The trip would be 
my priority, and the bike a close secondary. I would not force a trip on a bike 
ill suited for that purpose, but if I had a LHT in hand, or had to wait for and 
Atlantis, I'd pack the LHT and set off.






 From: DS davecst...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:02 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?
 


Just an FYI if you're comparing the Hunq and Atlantis, the Hunq also has a 
wait time. I was quoted 4.5 months, took just over 3 months in reality.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:56:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) and 
I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on the 
iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more focused 
fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded touring bike 
of the Atlantis in particular.


I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who wants 
to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly recommended the 
Atlantis, and he was very interested.


I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to ask 
for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list for 
the Atlantis.


My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?


He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know anything 
about that model.


What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?


Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be damned.


Thanks, Patrick


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Re: [RBW] Re: Mt. Brake levers on Mustache Bars?

[Ray Shine]

True. I was looking at the VO levers, and ordered a set anyway. I'll report. 
You make a good point. I had not considered that. Thank you.






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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 5:27 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Mt. Brake levers on Mustache Bars?
 


VO City Bike Brake Levers are available in both MTB (22.2mm) and road bar 
(23.8mm) sizes. This style came on a used Nishiki Mixty I have and they have 
really long levers so I'm not sure they would be that great on M bars which 
has a pretty short grip area.

The other option as mentioned is cross levers which have really short levers, 
but generally don't take up much bar space.

-Dave




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Forgive me if this has been covered. Are there manufactured any  Mt. brake 
levers that can be used on mustache bars?  I do not like those reverse levers 
that mount into the bar ends, either.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mt. Brake levers on Mustache Bars?

[Ray Shine]

No, I do not like where road levers are placed on M-bars.  I do not like them 
that far forward.






 From: Jim M. mather...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:12 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Mt. Brake levers on Mustache Bars?
 


On Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:32:17 AM UTC-7, r.s...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Forgive me if this has been covered. Are there manufactured any  Mt. brake 
levers that can be used on mustache bars?  I do not like those reverse levers 
that mount into the bar ends, either.

Thanks!


Do you dislike road levers? That's what I've always used and they fit the look 
of the bar better, imho, than mtn levers.

jim m
wc ca 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Mt. Brake levers on Mustache Bars?

[Ray Shine]

Great! I'll check into VeloOrange and see what works. The back story is that I 
have had a pair of M-bars laying around for years not in use because I hated 
the location of the brake levers. I love my Alba-bars and the MT. levers, so I 
thought it would be interesting to try the M-bars, but with standard placed mt. 
levers.  (Also, I do have a set of the inverse levers that came on a bike I 
bought several years ago. I hate them. )






 From: Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Mt. Brake levers on Mustache Bars?
 


Hi Tim,
You can get new non-aero brake levers from Velo Orange: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/levers.html
I have 'em set up on my moustache bar, and I much prefer the non-aero cable 
routing for moustache bars.


(VO also has non-aero brake hoods.)


Also, some people have set up moustache bars with inverse levers. IIRC, 
there's a Riv in the Flickr group with inverse levers.


--shoji


On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:38:27 PM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
Non-aero brake levers fit the moustache bar diameter (23.8mm), and have the 
same cable routing (in this usage) as MTB brake levers.


Think the old Campy SR/NR ones, where the cable exits the pointy top of the 
lever.



However, no one sells a new/reproduction non-aero lever.  I've been keeping 
my eye out for a vintage set with good hoods for a while.  Bike swaps are 
coming up!  All the ones at my local co-ops have either missing or nasty 
hoods, or have turkey levers.  I'll probably end up with a nasty pair and buy 
replacement hoods.


Tim



On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Jim M. math...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:32:17 AM UTC-7, r.s...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Forgive me if this has been covered. Are there manufactured any  Mt. brake 
levers that can be used on mustache bars?  I do not like those reverse 
levers that mount into the bar ends, either.

Thanks!


Do you dislike road levers? That's what I've always used and they fit the 
look of the bar better, imho, than mtn levers.

jim m
wc ca 

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Re: [RBW] Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers

[Ray Shine]

I use the Thule platform. It is heavy, but sturdy and accommodating for 
loading. (I have also used it in the folded out position to haul other things, 
such as kayak gear n lash-down bags.) I also have a Thule hanger that I seldom 
use anymore. Mainly I loan it out to the kids. 

I saw a guy driving a Ford SUV with a neat set up. He had a 2-bike platform 
rack mounted front and rear. Expensive to set up, but it has its practicalities.

As for rack wobble and rattle, the Thule has a internal welded nut in the slide 
that bolts tight against the receiver. Stops all rattle and wobble. I also see 
these devices on a lot of racks to eliminate rattle and wobble:

http://www.amazon.com/Stow-Away-StowAway-Hitch-Tightener/dp/B0001CMUV4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8qid=1395325995sr=8-3keywords=stowaway2

Any of these products would be helpful to raise a long hanging rack:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=hitch%20risersprefix=hitch+ri%2Capsrh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ahitch%20riser






 From: WETH erlhous...@gmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers
 

Thanks for all the helpful responses.
Joe, I appreciate the confirmation on the weight of the racks and that they 
provide good bike separation.
Ray, thanks for the 2 hitch suggestion, tail light obstruction issue, and the 
tip about the riser. I had not thought of the potential for scraping on 
sloping surfaces.
David, you and I are in agreement about the short comings of trunk and roof 
mounted racks.  Good to know you have had success with your Subaru and a 
platform rack.  That upcoming Sardis does look beautiful and sturdy. Thanks 
for the link.
David, I appreciate the reminder of how far out this rack will extend.  The 
sheer size is a concern.  
Tony, I like the trailer idea with a custom rack inside.  Unfortunately, I do 
not have a good place to store it when not using it.  I think I would also 
have to register a trailer. (Not a deal breaker, just a hassle) Then I could 
start a thread about the best tires for a trailer hauling bikes. ;)  
For a while I have dreamed of an extended cab, full size bed, diesel pickup 
truck with a custom made, by me, bike rack in the bed!  Unfortunately my wife 
knows that I know this is not in the budget right now.
We have at least three multi-night family bike trips on the calendar this 
year, and I hope to add a few more.  Some are less than 5 hours away like 
Cumberland, MD and Chincoteague, VA.  The other, PEI in Canada, will be a 
longer drive.
Again thanks so much to everyone for taking the time to respond. I appreciate 
all the ideas. I will report back with pics and write-up when I choose.
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers

[Ray Shine]

regarding covered bikes and obscuring tail lights. My bro-in-law hauls his 
bikes around on his Subaru Forester. When he uses a cover, he uses magnetic 
tail lights similar to these mounted on the car roof above the bikes and cover, 
which he has wired in with snap plugs:

http://www.amazon.com/Volt-Magnetic-Tow-Light-Kit/dp/B004VWXBEA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1395326726sr=8-2keywords=magnetic+tail+lights

He uses this rack:

http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1122106_-1_400170__400170







 From: WETH erlhous...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers
 

Thanks for all the helpful responses.
Joe, I appreciate the confirmation on the weight of the racks and that they 
provide good bike separation.
Ray, thanks for the 2 hitch suggestion, tail light obstruction issue, and the 
tip about the riser. I had not thought of the potential for scraping on 
sloping surfaces.
David, you and I are in agreement about the short comings of trunk and roof 
mounted racks.  Good to know you have had success with your Subaru and a 
platform rack.  That upcoming Sardis does look beautiful and sturdy. Thanks 
for the link.
David, I appreciate the reminder of how far out this rack will extend.  The 
sheer size is a concern.  
Tony, I like the trailer idea with a custom rack inside.  Unfortunately, I do 
not have a good place to store it when not using it.  I think I would also 
have to register a trailer. (Not a deal breaker, just a hassle) Then I could 
start a thread about the best tires for a trailer hauling bikes. ;)  
For a while I have dreamed of an extended cab, full size bed, diesel pickup 
truck with a custom made, by me, bike rack in the bed!  Unfortunately my wife 
knows that I know this is not in the budget right now.
We have at least three multi-night family bike trips on the calendar this 
year, and I hope to add a few more.  Some are less than 5 hours away like 
Cumberland, MD and Chincoteague, VA.  The other, PEI in Canada, will be a 
longer drive.
Again thanks so much to everyone for taking the time to respond. I appreciate 
all the ideas. I will report back with pics and write-up when I choose.
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers

[Ray Shine]

I use a platform carrier for two adult bikes. I like it a lot. My advice is to 
absolutely go with a 2receiver for hauling 4 bikes. That is a lot. also, on a 
smaller car like the Subaru, consider a riser for the receiver that will lift 
the rack another 4 to 6 inches. With  a load of bikes sticking that far out in 
back, you will encounter scraping when driving in and out of pitched driveways 
into gas stations and elsewhere. the riser will go a long way toward 
eliminating that. Also, some states will be picky about using any sort of bike 
cover that obscures the tail lights of the vehicle. A small car like a suaru is 
one such car that would be problematic in that regard.






 From: WETH erlhous...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: [RBW] Hanging vs Platform Hitch Bike Carriers
 

Apologies if this has been discussed in a thread missed by my addled brain and 
weary eyes.  
For some upcoming family bike adventures, I am in the market for a hitch 
mounted bike carrier for my Subaru Forester.  It must hold four (4) adult-size 
steel-frame bikes most with albatross bars.  I am leaning toward a platform 
carrier as they seem to hold the bikes further apart and appear easier to 
load.  They seem to extend further rearward than hanging carriers do.  Also, 
it appears, from reviews I have read,  that hanging carriers hold one fewer 
bike than advertised.  Much like a tent comfortably holds 1 fewer person than 
advertised.  So, I would be comparing a 5 bike capacity hanging carrier with a 
4 bike capacity platform carrier.
Am I on or off base with the above?  Any advice or suggestions on hitch 
mounted racks that can accommodate 4 bikes?  Personal experiences with 
platform vs hanging?
As always I appreciate the wisdom and experience of this group.
Thanks, Erl
PS: I have a Yakima roof mounted carrier system on my car, but my back 
dislikes the reach to the roof of the taller Subaru.  

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Re: [RBW] Need Bike Shop SF, CA Marina or Pacific Heights

[Ray Shine]

Fresh Air Cycles is Rivvish. They are on Divisadero just on the south side of 
the Broadway crest of Pacific Heights.

https://maps.google.com/maps?client=safarioe=UTF-8ie=UTF-8q=fresh+air+bikesfb=1gl=ushq=fresh+air+bikescid=0,0,243962325213174280ei=6YshUNjAB6es2wWD_YGgDgved=0CF0QrwswAA






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Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:52 AM
Subject: [RBW] Need Bike Shop SF, CA  Marina or Pacific Heights
 


I'm looking for reliable bike shop in Pacific Heights or Marina District in 
SF.  A place I could have a bike shipped and who would assemble for me.
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Re: [RBW] Need Bike Shop SF, CA Marina or Pacific Heights

[Ray Shine]

Oh, I forgot about Citizen Chain. He's just a short walk over Ft. Mason 
(eastward) from the Marina. They are very good, as well.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/citizen-chain-bicycles-san-francisco-2#query:bicycle%20shops






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Subject: [RBW] Need Bike Shop SF, CA  Marina or Pacific Heights
 


I'm looking for reliable bike shop in Pacific Heights or Marina District in 
SF.  A place I could have a bike shipped and who would assemble for me.
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Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG

[Ray Shine]

I agree about the bug screen. I didn't experience that on the trip shown -- too 
wet, except for the giant banana slugs that I had to pluck off the inside of 
the tent walls each morning. I'll take giant banana slugs over skeeters any 
day. I hate skeeters. I did not bring a floor as it would get torn up with the 
bike and trailer. I used a bivy on this trip (you can see it in these pix), 
which does have a face net. I just never needed it.






 From: Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


Yes!  That's a cool shelter.  Do you lay a piece of plastic down underneath 
your sleeping bag/mat?  I like that you can park your bike inside!  I'm not 
sold on a screen-less tent; Iowa has fierce mosquitos in summer.


I have this tent (Big Agnes Emerald Mtn SL3), which is crazy light for a 
3-person backpacking tent ~5.5 lbs.  There is an optional vestibule that is 
advertised as big enough to be a bike garage.  I may pick one up...
 


As for retro camping gear, I love it so long as it's lightweight.  I used 
heavy canvas/military surplus stuff as a kid in the Scouts, but I've upgraded 
since.  (Modern military gear is pretty good, though; I use my combat boots 
and gore-tex suit often)


I managed to get a pair of home-built, barely used Frost Line down sleeping 
bags for cheap recently.  Frost Line was a company that offered mail-order 
kits (patterns and materials) to make your own outdoor gear.  
http://www.oregonphotos.com/Frostline1.html
Apparently, in the 1970s it was tough to find good mountaineering gear in the 
states (probably why Rivendell Mountain Works made such an impression on 
Grant). So, many folks made their own.  
The pair of bags I found (plus an additional down insert bag, for those polar 
nights) are probably built tougher than a modern North Face.  They're 
lightweight (down!) and super warm.  Basically for 40 degrees or colder only, 
'cause they're ovens above that temp.  


Kinda like great vintage lightweight bikes.  Retro, light, and just as 
excellent now as when they were made.


Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA



On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Hopefully everyone can see these now. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122





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Cc: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


Ray:

Your link connects to a page that says it's private, so we can't view it.  

dougP

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:46:16 AM UTC-8, Ray Shine wrote:
We are not all doing it wrong. This was my set up for Oregon Coast ride 
(with BOB trailer, too!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122/







 From: Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups. com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:21 AM
Subject: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


I can't compete.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11961422373/


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Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG

[Ray Shine]

We are not all doing it wrong. This was my set up for Oregon Coast ride (with 
BOB trailer, too!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122/






 From: Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org
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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:21 AM
Subject: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


I can't compete.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11961422373/


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Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG

[Ray Shine]

Hopefully everyone can see these now. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122






 From: dougP dougpn...@cox.net
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Cc: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


Ray:

Your link connects to a page that says it's private, so we can't view it.  

dougP

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:46:16 AM UTC-8, Ray Shine wrote:
We are not all doing it wrong. This was my set up for Oregon Coast ride (with 
BOB trailer, too!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122/







 From: Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups. com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:21 AM
Subject: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


I can't compete.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11961422373/


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Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG

[Ray Shine]

Hugh -- I'll have to look that up. I've owned that at least 10 years. We bought 
it way back in our snowshoe days. It's designed as a floorless snow shelter, 
and we used it on several weekend trips into the Sierra in winter. It weighs 
very little. One central pole and a few stakes.  On that particular Oregon trip 
it was always wet over night and into mid-morning. I'm glad I took it. worked 
well for keeping all gear, the bike, and me dry. I hauled it all on my BOB 
trailer pulled it behind my then new Canti-Rom. I think this was '94 or '95. I 
also took a roll-up camp chair. Some mornings were so foggy and wet I just 
boiled oatmeal and coffee and sat inside the tent looking out and eating my 
breakfast until the fog lifted enough to pack and leave.






 From: Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


Yep I can see it...nice looking set up! What does that Kiva weigh? And pack 
dimensions? That's especially nice for wet climes. Thanks for sharing.


~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― 
Albert Einstein


http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/





On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Hopefully everyone can see these now. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122





 From: dougP dougpn...@cox.net
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Cc: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


Ray:

Your link connects to a page that says it's private, so we can't view it.  

dougP

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:46:16 AM UTC-8, Ray Shine wrote:
We are not all doing it wrong. This was my set up for Oregon Coast ride 
(with BOB trailer, too!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122/







 From: Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups. com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:21 AM
Subject: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


I can't compete.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11961422373/


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Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG

[Ray Shine]

Go-Lite is a great company. They make really reliable stuff.  I've used their 
lite and fast backpacks before.  That Kiva I used was a six person.  We never 
had more than three in it in the snow. It was plenty roomy on that Oregon Coast 
trip. If I ride Oregon Coast again, I would outfit the same way.  By the way. 
Oregon has the best hiker-biker campgrounds I've ever seen. All have hot 
showers! Good job, Oregon!






 From: Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


Ray,


I found something similar as someone mentioned Golite:


http://www.golite.com/Shangri-La-5-Tent-P46714.aspx



They make a smaller one too.


Love the Oregon story. I presume the trip was along the Oregon coast.


~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― 
Albert Einstein


http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/





On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Hugh -- I'll have to look that up. I've owned that at least 10 years. We 
bought it way back in our snowshoe days. It's designed as a floorless snow 
shelter, and we used it on several weekend trips into the Sierra in winter. It 
weighs very little. One central pole and a few stakes.  On that particular 
Oregon trip it was always wet over night and into mid-morning. I'm glad I took 
it. worked well for keeping all gear, the bike, and me dry. I hauled it all on 
my BOB trailer pulled it behind my then new Canti-Rom. I think this was '94 or 
'95. I also took a roll-up camp chair. Some mornings were so foggy and wet I 
just boiled oatmeal and coffee and sat inside the tent looking out and eating 
my breakfast until the fog lifted enough to pack and leave.







 From: Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:54 PM

Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


Yep I can see it...nice looking set up! What does that Kiva weigh? And pack 
dimensions? That's especially nice for wet climes. Thanks for sharing.


~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” 
― Albert Einstein


http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/





On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Hopefully everyone can see these now. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122





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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Cc: Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


Ray:

Your link connects to a page that says it's private, so we can't view it.  

dougP

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:46:16 AM UTC-8, Ray Shine wrote:
We are not all doing it wrong. This was my set up for Oregon Coast ride 
(with BOB trailer, too!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122/







 From: Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups. com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:21 AM
Subject: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
 


I can't compete.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11961422373/


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Re: [RBW] Riv e-bike conversion?

[Ray Shine]

I have very seriously considered it -- several times. I am an old guy (65+) but 
in relatively good health. I don't need an ebike, but there are plenty of times 
where I would welcome the ability to use power assist on my pedaling.  If I 
only cycled for health reasons, then I would see no point in a conversion. But 
I cycle mainly for transportation purposes, and because there is very little 
free/cheap parking in San Francisco.  I carry cargo on my bike, and I have 
several hills in between my home and my office. I can and do make the commute 
each day without an ebike, but I would have no qualms at all using an ebike on 
the commute.  Price has been a factor, as well. But, the technology is evolving 
very rapidly, and there are very reasonable ebikes on the market. I would be 
more inclined to go for a factory build now rather than a conversion. I see 
often some very impressive factory ebikes on the streets of SF.




 From: Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com
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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 2:01 PM
Subject: [RBW] Riv e-bike conversion?
 


I know the very idea is anathema, but has anyone had any experience with 
converting a Rivendell bike of any model to an e-bike?


Thanks,
Cecily
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Re: [RBW] How cold was your first day ride?

[Ray Shine]

A bone-chilling, near-paralyzing 58 degrees on our back deck when I departed my 
house in SF on my QB for Marin Headlands. Even colder than that in the shade! 
(At least 5 degrees colder than it was last Sunday morning when I made the same 
ride. )






 From: Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
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Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 1:37 PM
Subject: [RBW] How cold was your first day ride?
 

Minus 12.  Finished putting pats new alba sand wheels.  Cooking dinner and 
about to pop a bubbly.
Michael

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Re: [RBW] My new-to-me 'Beamer

[Ray Shine]

Nice! My QB is also the first gen green. I was running drops until about a year 
ago when I switched those out for Albas with cork grips. I like that riding 
position much better, and since I climb a lot, the forward bends on the Albas 
are good for the climbing or aero poses.  As I said, I climb a lot, so I 
switched out the 40/32 for a 32/24. I have a dos eno 16/18 on the drive side, 
but also a free 22 on the flip side. I'm no blaze, but I can climb Mt. 
Tamalpais in the 32/22. These are great bikes, and lots of fun.






 From: Tom Goodmann tgoodm...@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:50 PM
Subject: [RBW] My new-to-me 'Beamer
 


Thanks to listmember Frank Neff, who delivered this beautiful Quickbeam about 
forty-eight hours ago, building it up right here at the house using Open Pro 
rims, Pasela 35s (from listmember Anne up in Michigan; thanks) and Paul 
Touring brakes I had sourced elsewhere--come to think of it, the 
bars/stem/levers are from this list or the BOB list.  It takes an e-village . 
. . . 


I'm not settled yet on bars (or colors of saddle and bar tape)--the bike will 
likely have Moustache or Albastaches sooner or later--but, oh, does it ride 
nicely!  Running 40/34 up front and 17 in the rear . . . and looking at the 
Dos Eno 16/18 for the other side of this wheel.  


Happy New Year, indeed.  --Tom     Miami, FL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously InterestedB

[Ray Shine]

Also, there can only be an 8 tooth or less difference between the two front 
chain rings. Ex. 40/32. I have a 24/32 because I climb a lot.






 From: Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:58 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously 
InterestedB
 


Hi Tony,
Here's a cyclofiend scan of the QB RR ad (no pics of the actual act of 
shifting). Shifting for QB/SO is by un-bolting the rear wheel and moving the 
chain to the cog (single or dingle) and/or chain ring (single or double). The 
not-so-secret is that QB/SO has longer than typical rear fork ends (and they 
have a slight curve). 


Chain ring + cog combos chosen carefully as chain slack (like most 
single-speed or fixed) is accommodated by axle position in the fork end. The 
curve in the fork end is nice to keep the rim/rear brake position constant-- 
no need to change the brake shoe position.


http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr31_pg25.jpg



Hope that helps, shoji




On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:38:47 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
I know this exists somewhere, could some one share a link, hopefully with 
pictures describing the QB non-derailleur shifting options... 
I know it involves a surly dingle or WI Dos Eno with a corresponding double 
crank.  But I'm not as clear on his you maintain use of the same chain with 
the multiple combos.
I just got my XO-3 setup with a WI eccentric hub so I'm trying for a quasi-QB 
26'er... Though the experience may just convince me I have to participate in 
the Simple Beam/Quick One project!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously InterestedB

[Ray Shine]

Not too far off topic. Yesterday it was a beautiful mid-December afternoon and 
unseasonably warm here in the Bay Area. Since the 49ers weren't playing until 
this evening, I decided to take a ride over the bridge into the Marin 
Headlands. I've not done that in a couple of months. I chose to take my QB, 
more on a whim than anything. I have been riding the QB to the office, rotating 
between it and the Gomez for several months, now. I didn't even bother to 
remove the single Swift Industries pannier from the rear rack. I just pulled it 
out of the back, got on, and headed for the bridge. Very little thought given 
to it at all.

Despite the fact that the QB's engine needs a serious tune-up, the ride was 
still exceptionally smooth, quiet, and conducive to just riding.  Last year I 
replaced the drops with Alba's and cork grips. What a great riding position, 
and the forward bends in the Alba allowed for better hill climb position when 
needed (which, in the Headlands, is always necessary).

Anyway, I did not even bother to take the obligatory beauty shots with the 
iPhone. I just rode, stopped, drank water, and rode some more. Very good ride. 
I love that bike. At a pit stop by the Pt. Bonita Light House trail, a couple 
of guys rode up to also use the facilities. Not clubbies or weekend racers. 
Just a couple of guys riding around. One checked out the QB and was quite taken 
with it. He asked lots of questions, and was very impressed with the design and 
the simplicity of it all -- and mine is more cluttered up than many.  I 
showed him how easy it is to switch gears, explained the need to flip the wheel 
for the low granny set-up. All that. He got it, too. He knew that one would not 
be in a particular hurry when riding a QB.  Nice guy, really, although neither 
had ever heard of Rivendell.




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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 3:53 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously 
InterestedB
 


I think those are all good points, Pete.   

When this topic popped up, it struck me that I didn't want to skew the 
conversation by talking about my own bias towards the Quickbeam design.  It 
seemed to me (and still does) that the Quickbeam/Simpleone is one of the great 
designs that Grant has come up with - containing those things which are 
needed, but little else.  Of course, in the years since that first 
announcement appeared, there have been a number of trends which have come and 
gone or arrived and stayed. It's incredibly easy to get large volume 622/700C 
tires, both smooth and treaded.  Longer stays are not an outlier. Racks and 
useful bags more commonplace.   Recently swept-back bars and 
mixte-acceptability have edged into the common arena.  

So, with those facets gaining more proponents, my thought was really to see if 
any of them have become more have-to-have features.  With ~2500 addresses in 
this group, even if EVERYONE who ever bought a 'Beam or a 'One is here, that 
means that ~2100 of them didn't.  If there's some reason why, other than a 
lack of derailleur, it would be interesting if that popped up.  

None of which may matter, as GP might already have ideas nailed down, lugs, 
tubes and angles spec'd.   But, I will pass trends and comments (both here and 
the private thoughts and pre-orders which folks have submitted) along to Grant 
when he has fewer things on his immediate plate.  

If the next model looks exactly like the last, it would not bother me in the 
least, but at least it won't be because I didn't ask. ;^)

all the best,

- Jim


On Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:39:41 PM UTC-8, Peter Pesce wrote:
Agreed Jim.  Wouldn't it just be easier to see if there were 30 people willing 
to pre-order an actual SO/QB? I know there's no opportunity for creative 
expression in that, but it does seem odd to try to satisfy demand for the 
those bikes with a new bike that will explicitly NOT be those bikes!  I know 
GP uses clone in a pejorative sense but to keep making a bike is not 
cloning it. Besides, aren't there business side advantages to continuing to 
sell, though perhaps on a limited, pre order basis, the bike for which you 
already amortized the tooling and development costs? 
I have a last gen silver QB and love it. If it were stolen or wrecked I'd 
seriously consider paying custom-shop money for a new one. I'm not the least 
bit interested in a NewBeam that has the chunky tube set of my Sam, double 
top tubes, or wavy gravy curved rear triangle bits. To me that bike would 
have nothing in common with a QB beyond the dropouts.
Pete in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen SimpleOne (Sacramento)

[Ray Shine]

Great! Glad of happy ending. By the wsy, since you did report the theft, you 
should not have to pay the pawn. That's on them. They must return your $60 or 
make other compensation. Lots of stuff in the shop are probably hot.

Sent from my iPhone.

On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:54 AM, David davidboydle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Found!  Thirty days later.  Pawn shop in town had it listed on CL.  Very kind 
 RBW Group member alerted me to it.  It's unharmed.  We picked it up today.  
 Thief sold it to the pawn shop for $60 (which I had to pay), and the pawn 
 shop had it for sale for $600.  Thanks for all your kind thoughts.
 
 On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 1:30:39 PM UTC-7, David wrote:
 
 These recovery attempts are a long-shot, but I have to try.  My SimpleOne 
 was stolen a couple weeks ago.  Police report filed within 24 hours.  No 
 luck yet.  Thanks for your time.
  
 http://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/3999794563.html
 
 
  
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.

[Ray Shine]

I agree. Non-padded Swobo brand is also just as comfy. I can't stand padded 
shorts. Too hot and sweaty. Same with gel or padded saddles. I've never 
suffered any problems using ordinary shorts, undies, and a non-padded leather 
saddle, regardless of outside temps. I can and do spend a couple of hours at a 
time in the combo with no discomfort other than need to stretch out a bit and 
shake out the legs on a walkabout before resuming the ride. 






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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:20 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: What's with the MUSA shorts? Clue me in please.
 


Nothing magic about them, but they meet my needs. Made in the USA for a fair 
wage, sold at a fair price, well designed with a function-first approach, 
comfortable and not fussy, as good or better off the bike as on, made from 
colors found in nature, good for swimming, sailing, running, or just rooting 
around, and they last forever. My kids live in them when they're not in school.

On Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:12:05 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
Everyone seems to love them for their biking comfort.
 
I am not particularly comfortable cycling in everyday shorts or sweatpants on 
bikes (though 98% of my riding is done in them),
so I don't see how the MUSA's will be an improvement for me.
Am I missing something?
 
I would like to experience the benefits you all are getting from them.
But before dropping the serious coin on them, need more info about what makes 
them better than any other regular pants.
Thanks for your help.
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Re: [RBW] Introduction: My name is Evan and I ride a Hillborne

[Ray Shine]

Welcome, Evan. That Sam's a beauty!  Nice set up.

Ray
Richmond District






 From: Evan evanellio...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 8:12 PM
Subject: [RBW] Introduction: My name is Evan and I ride a Hillborne
 


Hi Everybody,

I've been lurking here for years, but now that I've bought a new Sam from 
Riv—with friendly guidance from Keven and Will and Rich—I figure it's time to 
introduce myself. 

Here's a picture of Sam and me in gale force winds on San Francisco Bay. Above 
my rear wheel you can glimpse the summit of Mount Diablo. Whenever I see that 
mountain, I think of Rivendell. Yes, I am a fan.

Evan E.
SF, CA
 
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Re: [RBW] Frisco-peeps stop hogging all the fun. We need a RivEast in Howard County, MD - and here's why.

[Ray Shine]

Isn't Velo Orange located nearby in Annapolis? Not Riv, but fairly close. I'd 
call 'em Riv-ish.





From: Michael john11.2...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 10:30:38 PM
Subject: [RBW] Frisco-peeps stop hogging all the fun. We need a RivEast in 
Howard County, MD - and here's why.


What I wanna know is when are we gonna get a Rivendell-East location here on 
the 
east coast?
We need a good alternative to carbon over here - and fast!. Its just a matter 
of 
time 'til all the forks around here start snapping, and nobody wants that.
 
From reports I have read, Howard County, Maryland is one of, and within an 
hour 
of, three of the top 5 richest counties in the USA. So folks can afford Rivs 
out 
here. And the housing is much cheaper here than SF area (gas too I think). So I 
bet there is more disposable income to throw around.
 
 You got 3 college urban areas within 30 minutes of each other (DC, College 
Park, and Baltimore). Bring on the Quickbeam Reissues.
 
 The area has lotsa bike clubs and fundraiser rides. Bike lanes are popping up 
all over and there are MUPS and trails galore. You can pretty much get anywhere 
in Columbia, MD on their elaborate MUP-ways.
 
Some shoppes around here carry the odd Surly and Salsa, but 99% of the time I 
see shoppes swollen with alucarbon racers and comfort bikes. If you want a new 
touring bike, the only shoppes within 30 minutes give you the choice of the LHT 
or the Trek touring bike they have out. That's it. Nary a Mixte either. Maybe 
one?
 
I don't know business, so maybe I am talking outta my hat, but fancy steel for 
the non racer would fill the gaping maw of the offerings available around here 
for the cyclist. And would help people have bikes that could have fenders that 
didn't need to be in 3 pieces to fit. Sure would be nice to scarf up all the 
stuff at the Riv yard sales, too.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gransfors Bruks Hatchets

[Ray Shine]

I have been using this hatchet for about ten years. It doesn't have the fancy 
handle, unfortunately. When I first purchased it, all of my backpacking 
companions cautioned me not to carry it because of its bulk and extra few 
ounces of weight. I take it anyway, and almost invariably it gets borrowed by 
everyone for purposes of  everything from food prep, cooking, hammock hanging, 
and wood splitting, stake pounding, etc. I like the pancake flipping idea. I'll 
try that sometime. Odd, although its one of my favorite tools, I've never taken 
the hatchet on a bike tour trip. I should. I love this tool, and I am even a 
distant, much removed relative of one of the company owners (my mother was a 
Swedish immigrant).





From: Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 12:01:35 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Gransfors Bruks Hatchets

Beautiful, Liesl. The personalized touches are wonderful. 

I didn't think I was in the market for an ax, knife, or cup, but that may be 
changing... just in time for Father's Day!



On Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:04:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
Of course, you cannot imagine how excited I am about Grant’s teaser.
 
On wooden cups and bicycling:  I’m a fan.  Advantages: they are light weight, 
they don’t make clanky sounds, they have some insulating properties as in they 
don’t urn your hands if you have scalding hot tea, and they look dapper 
hanging 
from a saddlebag, pannier, or backback.
 
My favorite source for traditional Norwegian wooden cups is Killi Tredreiling. 
 

http://www.ottatre.no/
 
Alex, here are my secrets:  1) I use an inexpensive pen-type wood burner from 
Garret Wade. 2) I draw the designs in pencil, burn them in, and then erase any 
remaining pencil lines.  3) I have practiced drawing Celtic knots and animals 
for years—especially during long meetings.  I recommend books by Aidan Meehan 
as 
a starting point for anyone who is interested in learning.  Oh, and the knife 
is 
an EKA Swede 88 with an arctic birch handle.


http://www.eka-knivar.se/en/ products/5/outdoor 
 
Hey Grant!  a bike-axe-cup variation …
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

[Ray Shine]

Yes, I have transitioned over. But for the Atlantis and Conti-Rom, everything 
else is either Alba or the Jitensha flat. I even switched to Albas on the QB. I 
regularly do 35+ mile trips on a bike with Alba, and I commute daily on the 
Gomez with Albas.





From: EGNolan egno...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 16, 2013 9:51:54 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?


I only have two bikes at the moment; a cargo bike I share w/ my wife and my 
Raleigh International mut. The Yuba has Albatross  the Raleigh has Bosco's. 
I'd 
given a lot of thought to swapping them around because of the sweep on the 
Bosco's and the relatively short TT on the Raleigh, but after some strong 
headwinds this week, the Bosco's have proven themselves well. I have 3 solid 
positions on the that cover me well. I don't typically log long days, but rain 
or shine, snow or sleet, wind or well...none, the upright bars serve me well 
for 
my 10 mile (one way) commute daily and the few 30+ mile days I've been on the 
bike. The miles seem to pass a bit slower, but my attitude seems to be 
different 
when I hop on a bike w/ upright bars than compared to the same bike with drops. 
There's something to it, I have a bit more fun. 

 
I initially got onto upright bars becuase I've had long lasting, recurring 
shoulder problems, but I don't have pain w/ drops if they're above the saddle 
and close enough to me, but I prefer upright now, regardless.
 
Eric
Indpls

 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tarptent advice?

[Ray Shine]

I have used a tarptent rainbow for years, including many multi- day trips in 
the Sierra, one a 22 day trip on the JMT. Never a problem in rain or wind. 
Highly recommend the entire line.

Sent from my iPhone.

On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:01 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:

 I lead week-long backpack trips in the Sierra, and have seen tarp tents on 
 several recent trips. They held up quite well in some very wet conditions, I 
 was impressed with how well they performed. They were from Henry Shire's 
 site: http://www.tarptent.com Quite light weight, and would be just as useful 
 on a bicycle trip, I presume.
 
 Personally, I get by just fine with only a tarp and some rigging line, and 
 stakes.
 
 - Andrew, Berkeley
 
 On Monday, April 15, 2013 2:56:48 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
 
 Hey all.
 
 I am currently contemplating picking up a Tarptent to fill a need for a 
 one person bike camping tent.  I currently have the hennessy hammock, which 
 is fantastic but dependent on trees, and a big/relatively heavy/substantial 
 3 person tent.
 
 I want to get something lightweight that I can use when I am going somewhere 
 that I am not sure about setting up the hammock.
 
 I am big (6'3) and don't want any part of sleeping in open air/dealing with 
 bugs, so would need to get one of the tarptents that actually closes up in 
 order to be able to sleep at night.
 
 Looking at the tarptent site, it's tough to determine which of their options 
 works best for what I am trying to do, so I figured I would ask you guys.
 
 Any thoughts on this?  Anyone have a tarptent that they don't use/don't like 
 and want to get rid of?  
 
 Much obliged!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tarptent advice?

[Ray Shine]

Incidentally, i have also used  a Hennessey. I recommend both . I have used 
cracks in boulders as a hang point for the Hennessey.

Sent from my iPhone.

On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I have used a tarptent rainbow for years, including many multi- day trips in 
 the Sierra, one a 22 day trip on the JMT. Never a problem in rain or wind. 
 Highly recommend the entire line.
 
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On Apr 15, 2013, at 4:01 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I lead week-long backpack trips in the Sierra, and have seen tarp tents on 
 several recent trips. They held up quite well in some very wet conditions, I 
 was impressed with how well they performed. They were from Henry Shire's 
 site: http://www.tarptent.com Quite light weight, and would be just as 
 useful on a bicycle trip, I presume.
 
 Personally, I get by just fine with only a tarp and some rigging line, and 
 stakes.
 
 - Andrew, Berkeley
 
 On Monday, April 15, 2013 2:56:48 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
 
 Hey all.
 
 I am currently contemplating picking up a Tarptent to fill a need for a 
 one person bike camping tent.  I currently have the hennessy hammock, which 
 is fantastic but dependent on trees, and a big/relatively heavy/substantial 
 3 person tent.
 
 I want to get something lightweight that I can use when I am going 
 somewhere that I am not sure about setting up the hammock.
 
 I am big (6'3) and don't want any part of sleeping in open air/dealing 
 with bugs, so would need to get one of the tarptents that actually closes 
 up in order to be able to sleep at night.
 
 Looking at the tarptent site, it's tough to determine which of their 
 options works best for what I am trying to do, so I figured I would ask you 
 guys.
 
 Any thoughts on this?  Anyone have a tarptent that they don't use/don't 
 like and want to get rid of?  
 
 Much obliged!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Get a Betty Foy, old man

[Ray Shine]

I ride my Gomez to work and home every day, and still find it more difficult to 
swing a leg thru the down tube space than to mount it like all my other bikes 
by 
swinging a leg over the seat. I'm 64.





From: bwphoto bwphotograph...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Cc: Norman Bone bone1...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, April 2, 2013 2:35:29 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Get a Betty Foy, old man

I'd have to agree that at least in my case it seems to be a flexibility issue. 
I 
have RA and had to quit riding for about ten years until things got under 
control. When I first tried to ride again last year it took the better part of 
the summer before I could mount my Sam. I've been working regularly on hip and 
leg flexibility and it is getting easier to swing my leg over the saddle. I am 
however, starting to consider the possibility that the damage to my joints and 
muscles from RA may not return to the level of flexibility I used to be able 
achieve. So I'm looking seriously at mixte frames especially for my Xtracycle. 


Even tho I'm 66 I don't feel it either physically or mentally so it takes 
constant and conscious attitudinal adjustment focus on where I am now and see 
my 
current limitations as changeable with extra work. 


Having to switch to a mixte frame won't stop me from riding.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:43:08 PM UTC-5, Norman Bone wrote:
Study says old men should ride B. Foys.

http://www.thelocal.se/47064/ 20130331/#.UVsYP0rDmRJ



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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Reflecto Triangle

[Ray Shine]

I should also have mentioned that all of my bikes are outfitted with the 
V-Brand 
Keven's saddlebag. I like them for several reasons, not the least of which is 
the very visible reflecto band that each has sewn onto the front  (or, 
functionally, rear-facing).  For most of pannier use I use the very excellent 
Swift Industries bags, each of which also has reflective sewn-on bands.





From: Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 10, 2013 5:05:08 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Big Reflecto Triangle

Thanks, all, for the tips.  I kinda like Ray's idea.  I might try that...or 
some 
other Reflecto Refinement. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Reflecto Triangle

[Ray Shine]

I use mine with the belt, but I also bought a whole slew of the spoke reflector 
bands. They are Velcroed, and I hang them off the backs of the racks, bags, 
etc. 
They are very reflective and just as visible as the triangles.





From: dougP dougpn...@cox.net
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 8:02:42 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Big Reflecto Triangle

I've used safety pins to attach them to saddlebags  panniers, after
cutting of the belt.  I keep one with the belt for trips where I rent
a bike.  I stocked up on the little ones a while back  as the velcro
tabs make them easy to attach to small seat wedges.  It would be nice
if the big ones came with the same velcro tabs but I guess you could
always sew those on.

dougP

On Feb 9, 6:29 pm, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I bought one at the beginning of winter for extra conspicuousness during the 
longer nights.  I like it, and have been wearing it, using the pre-attached 
belt.  But I've seen several have attached one to bags, racks, and baskets. 
 What are your methods?  Safety pins, zip ties, shoe lace?  Are you guys 
removing the attached belt, or shortening it?  How about some tips on what 
works 
well?

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam/Simple One Gearing Ranges?

[Ray Shine]

I agree. I pedal over to base of Mt. Tam in one gear, switch to the second for 
the climb, then back to other gear for descent and ride home. I do that a lot, 
on all sorts of varied Nor Cal terrain.

--- On Tue, 1/29/13, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Quickbeam/Simple One Gearing Ranges?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:40 AM


In Sonoma County and Oregon's Willamette Valley, there are great valley rides 
that dead end into seriously steep climbs, often dirt. Having two fixed gear 
bikes on the same ride more than doubles the fun. 


Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:31:04 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
I think it is strange to buy a SS and try to get a range of multiple gears out 
of it. OTOH, I can see rigging a ss with two ratios, one for road and one for 
off road: the Dingle cog is excellent for that. I'd love to have a light, ss 
29er with, say, a 39X17/21 for a 67 on-road gear and a 54 off-road gear. One 
day, God willing.


While I think multiple sprocket and cog combos on what is designed as a ss is 
odd, I do sympathize with the conflicting desires for simplicity and multiple 
speeds. IMO, the good ol' AW is the way to go. Long ago, short of cash after 
buying my first decent road bike, I hacked an off roader out of a horrible 
Schwinn 3 speed with a 36 ring and an 18 cog. With the roughly 26 wheels, this 
gave me gears of 39, 52, and 69 inches which suited me (this was almost 25 
years ago when I was young and buff) off road. (I remember riding with my flame 
at the time over a jeep track with multiple stream crossings and enjoying 
watching the water flow into and out of the rear hub. It continued to work fine 
until I finally abandoned the bike near a dumpster with the usual free to good 
home sign.



On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Peter Pesce pete...@gmail.com wrote:

There seem to be two kinds of strategy with the 2x2 set ups. Some, like Colin, 
go for essentially two gears, as far apart a practical keeping the matched 
tooth difference. He's done a TON more riding than I have with this set up so 
it's obviously very effective!

Others try to get 3 or 4 different ratios out of the 2x2. 3 is pretty easy, but 
getting a 4th useful ratio while staying within the 8 tooth range of the QB/SO 
dropout is tough. 

Does anyone have a 2x2 set-up with 4 useful gears within the 8 tooth range?

-Pete in CT


On Monday, January 28, 2013 11:18:43 PM UTC-5, Colin B. wrote:
I've ridden 2x2 fixed for touring since 2007 - first an IRO Rob Roy 
and now a Simple One. I've done cross country and some significant 
tours on both coasts with this setup. 

I'm a fan of the widest spaced Surly Dingle (17/21) and when using it 
I match the tooth difference on a double up front (ex.: 44/40) so the 
wheel doesn't move when I switch between two useable gear 
combinations, ex.: 44/17 (high) and 40/21 (low). The White Industries 
Dos is as similar concept but a freewheel. 

Surly Dingle (fixed): http://surlybikes.com/parts/di ngle_cog 
White Dos (freewheel): 
http://www.whiteind.com/single speedgearing/freewheels.html 

With the Dingle and a matched-tooth-difference double gear changes are 
quite fast. (You don't need to flip the wheel and won't need to adjust 
the brakes.) 

In practice, you can have a wider range or more than two useable gears 
going the 2x2 route, but accomplishing these things is a bit more 
fiddly than my set up, and w/r/t touring I resist fiddly-ness. 

Up front, 42/38 is the sweet spot for me for loaded touring. This 
gives me 68 and 49. The idea is that the high gear is for 98% of the 
time. The low gear is for when you're heading north in Glacier on a 
long day, or nursing an injury. (Or if you're less religious or dumb 
than me, save your knees and use the low gear whenever appropriate.) 

The hardest part of this setup is getting the chainline perfect in 
both gear combinations - if you worry about those sorts of things. 

Overall, highly recommended. 


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I believe the QB (and by extension the SO) can handle up to an eight tooth 
 cog difference. So you could for instance use a 32/40 and 16/19 White 
 Industries hub to get four gears (I do this on my QB wannabe Surly 
 Crosscheck, but it's only good up to six teeth--I run 34/40 x 16/19 on that) 
 
 Eric Daume 
 Dublin OH 
 
 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM, allenmichael allenm...@mac.com wrote: 
 
 Currently, I have a S1 set up simply with one in the front and one in 
 the back. I'm not sure how many gear inches I have but it handles moderate 
 hills in San Francisco comfortably and isn't too slow on the flats. I'm 
 wondering though about whether I could set up the bike with two-in-front and 
 two-in-back, put on a moderate load, and ride it as far as San Diego or Los 
 Angeles from here. 
 
 Thanks in advance. 
 

Re: [RBW] Re: Jenny at Riv may have saved your Sam from being stolen

[Ray Shine]

Yes. Good work!  I wonder if they had cased the shop, or even have pulled a 
grab-and-run in the past. Has RBW been missing stuff lately? Is it too easy of 
a 
mark?  Good job, but don't jump in front of a bad guy's car again, just to be 
safe.





From: Toshi Takeuchi tto...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 29, 2013 3:19:58 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Jenny at Riv may have saved your Sam from being stolen

I'm glad everything turned out A-OK (and I hope you catch the
sleaze-bags).  We can always replace bikes but not people, eh?

Cheers,
Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam/Simple One Gearing Ranges?

[Ray Shine]

I agree. I pedal over to base of Mt. Tam in one gear, switch to the second for 
the climb, then back to other gear for descent and ride home. I do that a lot, 
on all sorts of varied Nor Cal terrain.

--- On Tue, 1/29/13, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Quickbeam/Simple One Gearing Ranges?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:40 AM

In Sonoma County and Oregon's Willamette Valley, there are great valley rides 
that dead end into seriously steep climbs, often dirt. Having two fixed gear 
bikes on the same ride more than doubles the fun. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:31:04 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
I think it is strange to buy a SS and try to get a range of multiple gears out 
of it. OTOH, I can see rigging a ss with two ratios, one for road and one for 
off road: the Dingle cog is excellent for that. I'd love to have a light, ss 
29er with, say, a 39X17/21 for a 67 on-road gear and a 54 off-road gear. One 
day, God willing.

While I think multiple sprocket and cog combos on what is designed as a ss is 
odd, I do sympathize with the conflicting desires for simplicity and multiple 
speeds. IMO, the good ol' AW is the way to go. Long ago, short of cash after 
buying my first decent road bike, I hacked an off roader out of a horrible 
Schwinn 3 speed with a 36 ring and an 18 cog. With the roughly 26 wheels, this 
gave me gears of 39, 52, and 69 inches which suited me (this was almost 25 
years ago when I was young and buff) off road. (I remember riding with my flame 
at the time over a jeep track with multiple stream crossings and enjoying 
watching the water flow into and out of the rear hub. It continued to work fine 
until I finally abandoned the bike near a dumpster with the usual free to good 
home sign.


On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Peter Pesce pete...@gmail.com wrote:
There seem to be two kinds of strategy with the 2x2 set ups. Some, like Colin, 
go for essentially two gears, as far apart a practical keeping the matched 
tooth difference. He's done a TON more riding than I have with this set up so 
it's obviously very effective!

Others try to get 3 or 4 different ratios out of the 2x2. 3 is pretty easy, but 
getting a 4th useful ratio while staying within the 8 tooth range of the QB/SO 
dropout is tough. 

Does anyone have a 2x2 set-up with 4 useful gears within the 8 tooth range?

-Pete in CT


On Monday, January 28, 2013 11:18:43 PM UTC-5, Colin B. wrote:
I've ridden 2x2 fixed for touring since 2007 - first an IRO Rob Roy 
and now a Simple One. I've done cross country and some significant 
tours on both coasts with this setup. 

I'm a fan of the widest spaced Surly Dingle (17/21) and when using it 
I match the tooth difference on a double up front (ex.: 44/40) so the 
wheel doesn't move when I switch between two useable gear 
combinations, ex.: 44/17 (high) and 40/21 (low). The White Industries 
Dos is as similar concept but a freewheel. 

Surly Dingle (fixed): http://surlybikes.com/parts/di ngle_cog 
White Dos (freewheel): 
http://www.whiteind.com/single speedgearing/freewheels.html 

With the Dingle and a matched-tooth-difference double gear changes are 
quite fast. (You don't need to flip the wheel and won't need to adjust 
the brakes.) 

In practice, you can have a wider range or more than two useable gears 
going the 2x2 route, but accomplishing these things is a bit more 
fiddly than my set up, and w/r/t touring I resist fiddly-ness. 

Up front, 42/38 is the sweet spot for me for loaded touring. This 
gives me 68 and 49. The idea is that the high gear is for 98% of the 
time. The low gear is for when you're heading north in Glacier on a 
long day, or nursing an injury. (Or if you're less religious or dumb 
than me, save your knees and use the low gear whenever appropriate.) 

The hardest part of this setup is getting the chainline perfect in 
both gear combinations - if you worry about those sorts of things. 

Overall, highly recommended. 


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I believe the QB (and by extension the SO) can handle up to an eight tooth 
 cog difference. So you could for instance use a 32/40 and 16/19 White 
 Industries hub to get four gears (I do this on my QB wannabe Surly 
 Crosscheck, but it's only good up to six teeth--I run 34/40 x 16/19 on that) 
 
 Eric Daume 
 Dublin OH 
 
 On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM, allenmichael allenm...@mac.com wrote: 
 
 Currently, I have a S1 set up simply with one in the front and one in 
 the back. I'm not sure how many gear inches I have but it handles moderate 
 hills in San Francisco comfortably and isn't too slow on the flats. I'm 
 wondering though about whether I could set up the bike with two-in-front and 
 two-in-back, put on a moderate load, and ride it as far as San Diego or Los 
 Angeles from here. 
 
 Thanks in advance. 
 
 

Re: [RBW] Re: Betty's commute... and Riv panniers!

[Ray Shine]

I unabashedly copied the stem shifter idea from Rene when I put my Gomez 
together last year. I love them, and they operate a wide-range double with 8 
speed cas. The upright position is very comfortable. The Gomez is my primary 
commuter, but I have ridden it on longer weekend rides. Here is a set showing 
the stem shifter set up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157628327426017/

I also have stem shifters on my Bleriot, although they are a vintage set of 
SunTours. here is a set that will show those:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157623799483763/





From: René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 25, 2013 9:21:47 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Betty's commute... and Riv panniers!


@Sam: I've sent you the photos.
 
@Edwin:
The idea of going to stem shifters ocurred to me a while back since I was doing 
so much bar swapping and having to deal with the barend shifters in addition to 
the brakes was too much hassle. Initially, it ocurred to me to use Paul's 
Thumbies since the quill of the stem and the bar are the same diameter, and my 
first experiments were so succesful I used them on several of my bikes: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6118656165/in/set-72157625129486363; 
though it forced the shifters to be staggered, it was not a problem. BTW, these 
are the same barend shifters I had, and you can really use any shifter, 
downtube/barend with the proper adapter that comes with the barend shifters, 
since the downtube shifters have the adapter that is curved on one end for the 
downtube.
 
Recently, Rivendell started selling the IRD stem quill shifter mount 
(http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm) so I ordered a set and used it on 
the Betty. Aside from the nice polished look, now both shifters are level and 
it 
just looks nicer: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/8370178221/in/set-72157625115263842
 
Currenly I only have them on the Betty; on both the Atlantis and the 
Hunqapillar 
I went to downtube shifters since the Bullmoose bars (regular + Bosco) that I 
am 
now using and liking so much create some vertical interference and the design 
of 
these bars means that very little quill is now exposed. If you are using a 
standard stem, then there is no interference. My Hilsen still has the barend 
shifters mounted on the Noodle bars, being my only bike that still sports them. 
I really like how the barend shifters work on the quill/stem setup. Give it a 
try!
 
René



On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Savvas ka...@chariot.net.au wrote:

i Rene, nice bike and nice pics! I'm involved in bike advocacy here in 
Adelaide. 
I note that you have disabled downloading of your flikr photos. Is there any 
chance you could email me a few that show your bike on the train? I'd use them 
in arguing for better facilities on our own carriages (see 
http://portadbug.org) 
I'd really like to see that long row of dedicated bike storage racks on our 
carriages. The one that shows your BF all by itself would be great...

regards,

Sam P. 

On Friday, January 25, 2013 6:21:54 AM UTC+10:30, René wrote:
I'm very happy to report that this week I've commuted to work on all 3 
consecutive days so far. This is an improvement over last week's every other 
day 
(MWF) commutes. What changed?..
 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Atlantis in SF

[Ray Shine]

Very good point. Nice thinkin'!





From: dougP dougpn...@cox.net
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 24, 2013 2:14:51 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Atlantis in SF

Even those of us outside the Bay Area should keep an eye on our local CL.  A 
sophisticated theft ring could move nice bikes from the Bay Area to So Cal or 
Portland pretty quickly.  


dougP

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:40:34 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
Seen on CL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/ sfc/bik/3563538367.html 

Keep your eye out for it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Atlantis in SF

[Ray Shine]

I ride in to work from the Richmond District, usually thru the lower Haight and 
down Market to SoMa. I'll also keep my eye open.





From: davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 23, 2013 8:23:40 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Atlantis in SF

Will keep an eye on my daily ride in bart too

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons

[Ray Shine]

I say buy the tap.The advantage to a tap -- VS a bolt -- is the channels on the 
sides of the tap let the paint follow out as the tap is twisted into the thread 
pattern. Using a bolt pushes the shaved paint through the threads in front of 
it.   Plus, a tap is tapered at the entry, so proper alignment onto already cut 
threads s much easier, and the threads will stay intact.  By the way, with a 
properly sized tap, you won't need much torgue to shave off the paint from the 
threads





From: William tapebu...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 9:28:06 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Betty Foy frame: trouble getting bolts into brazeons

And for prices, my Ace Hardware in El Cerrito had the handle for $6, and the 
taps for $5 each.  I bought the M5 and M6, and have only used the M5.  It is 
step 1 for any new frameset now at my workbench.  


On Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:23:43 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
Like others have said... clean the threads with a tap. you'll need 3 things... 
a 
handle, an M5 tap, and a drop of oil to lube the tap/threads to prevent binding 
when you're reaming it out. Any hardware or home improvement store should have 
a 
tap and handle. 


--Smitty 

On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:24:49 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote:
Seems like the paint was perhaps applied a bit too generously. Never 
had this problem on any other frame. On a couple of brazeons, I have 
so far been unable to get a bolt in, even when using a bit of oil and 
much patience in lining up the bolt. Any suggestions? I don't have a 
wire brush small enough to fit in the holes. Maybe nail polish on a Q- 
tip? Does that have any chance of working? Other ideas? 

Thanks! 

Gernot 

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Re: [RBW] Re: introduction and first question....

[Ray Shine]

Sebastian -- I own a Canti-Romulus, which is the poor man's version of the Ram. 
I rode down the Oregon Coast on it a few years ago pulling a BOB trailer. I did 
not sense any over-load. I have toured fully loaded front and rear panniers on 
my Atlantis and can tell you it is steady as a rock. The same comment applies 
to 
a loaded Bleriot and Sam H. I would not load up my Canti-Rom again after riding 
really tour-specific frames.





From: sebseb sebastianbor...@googlemail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 29, 2012 9:41:25 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: introduction and first question

well, thank you for the quick responses, I think the double top tube of the 
hilborne is a little too stout for me, the 58cm hilsen might be more my taste, 
still very curious how the rambouillet might do with panniers...anyway I always 
keep my gear rather light, so it doesn´t need to be a frame which is designed 
to 
go around the world with 40kg of load.about 12-15kg alltogether is what I 
normally need for a three week trip (tent etc, but just light kitchen equip. 
(soup, tee coffee etc))

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:59:13 PM UTC+1, sebseb wrote:
Dear Forum,
I am a new member and would like to say hello and ask for a first advice at 
the 
same time. I just found your group as I was doing some research to replace my 
japanese touring frame which I lost in an accident some time ago. I found the 
mid 80's frame which I had very well adapted to my needs, a 28' wheeled 
sports-tourer with room for up to 32mm tires (with fenders), long enough 
chainstays to have fenders and carry luggage on racks  but still with side 
pull-brakes (47-57 reach) and double crankset, the fork even with eyelets for 
lowrider though I never used them. Besides doing all my commutes with it I 
also 
travelled a lot on it, always with just two panniers and a handlebar bag. I 
did 
a lot of brevets and several week-long tours (with camping gear) with that 
frame, and though not the lightest and maybe a little on the flexy side 
there 
was nothing really to complain about. Since the accident I try to find 
something 
similar and Rivendell has made some bikes in the past that seem to be what i 
am 
looking for, or at least come very close to what I search for. As I hope to 
find 
amongst you the real connaiseurs of this brand I would like to know which of 
the 
Rivendell frames (also former ones) comes closest to my demands in your 
opinion 
so that I can look for an occasion to try to find one in my size (PBH 84cm). 
While in the current lineup I am not so shure there is such a model, the older 
Rambouillet seemed to me the role model although I am not shure if there is 
enough heel clearance to have larger panniers and two eyelets would also be 
nicer at the rear  and front drop out? Has anybody experiences with that kind 
of 
luggage on a Rambouillet? I would be pleased to hear some first hand knowledge 
and if somebody has a frame in my size (~58cm for 28' wheels) he wants to part 
with  i would also like to know about it. With my best regards and a happy new 
year to everybody  -sebastian

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why all the miles?

[Ray Shine]

There are extremes, of course:

http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/outdoor-adventure/expedition-watch-riding-a-fat-bike-to-the-south-pole.html






From: Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 11, 2012 9:13:28 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Why all the miles?

It's all relative to your personality and ability.  I constantly run into 
people 
who are amazed that I can ride 15 miles, but they probably haven't ridden a 
bike 
since they were 8 and have the memory of a child on an ill fit department store 
cruiser.  On the other hand, I will usually go for the metric century on 
organized rides and am happy to finish in 5 hours, while friends will be 
compelled to ride a 100 mile route and be unhappy to finish it ouside of 5 
hours.  Me, I enjoy the riding enough that I don't need to make work of it, 
others see only the competition and glory of reaching new heights.  To each his 
own.  When I get beyond 80 miles a day on a tour, it becomes more work than fun.

Marc

On Monday, December 10, 2012 2:38:44 AM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
Got to tag along with some SF Randonndeurs, Ely from Ruth Bags, Ray from 
Mission 
Bags and David on their Jittery Jaunt 200k Permanent that took us to the small 
town of Valley Ford. I'm not too fond of doing this much mileage but was pretty 
curious about exploring around the Petaluma area so I figured it would be good 
to explore with people that knew how to get around and answer that dying 
question, Why all the miles? Those randonneur guys, you would think that would 
enjoy riding all those miles, but the ugly truth is that they don't. Apparently 
no buddy does. So what's the big deal? Why would anyone want to put their body 
through that much suffering? I went along searching for this answer. 
And finally got it after a day of recovering.
When you have been riding your bike for the whole day and your whole body is 
telling you this is a stupid idea. The only thing that pushes you along, 
sometimes literary, is the other stupid people that is suffering with you. You 
learn a lot about yourself and others when you're cramping and riding up a 
steep 
grade in the middle of the night and the only thing that pushes you on is that 
there are other people waiting for you with more food. That sense of finishing 
something you set your mind to and doing it in the company of great people and 
amazing scenery with plenty of food breaks makes the whole experience a little 
less painful. 


Pictures prove that miles really don't matter but riding with amazingly 
supportive and friendly people do:
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjD9oML9




-Manny Oh the wonderful healing properties of snickers. Acosta
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Re: [RBW] Re: Switching to Moustachios from drops?!?!

[Ray Shine]

Not in my opinion. I did not care for 'stache bars at all. I use either alba's, 
or noodles with the interrupter brakes. I ride a lot in downtown traffic, and 
those bars provide the best positioning. I have one bike with the Jitensha flat 
bar that is good in traffic, too, but it has very limited hand placement 
options.





From: Michael john11.2...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 9:58:18 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Switching to Moustachios from drops?!?!


PS - will the staches help me sit more upright, or not?
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Re: [RBW] Are Brooks Saddle Worth the Money?

[Ray Shine]

I'll add an anecdotal story…

A couple of years back, I rode a long distance ride from SF to Ok City with an 
Aussie and a Brit (no, this is not a bad bar joke). Both of those fellows were 
riding on expensive plastic gel saddles, me a moderately priced Brooks B17 on 
my 
Atlantis. It was a 6 week-ride, and I never suffered any discomfort or other 
butt malady during the ride. I never rode in padded shorts.

My companions, however, spent most of the ride in high discomfort if not all 
out 
agony. It was very hot most days, and their sweating butts broke out in all 
sorts of hot-spots and saddle sores. They each tried a new and softer saddle, 
even more padding, lotions and salves, etc., and nothing relieved their 
problems. I tried to explain that it was rather counter-intuitive, but the more 
firm the saddle and less padded the butt, the more comfortable it would be. I 
explained that the brooks was really a very taught suspended platform that 
conformed to my butt and allowed some air flow, but neither bought into my 
explanation, and each just kept salving up at each stop and complaining.





From: Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 23, 2012 2:32:46 PM
Subject: [RBW] Are Brooks Saddle Worth the Money?

Is your butt worth it ?  Mine is. 

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Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

[Ray Shine]

I doubt that. He's probably selling stolen goods because he is not employed, 
skilled, or otherwise an income earner. That $10K + will be paid by taxpayers 
for his Public Defender, probation officer, and the mostly needless paperwork 
that will follow his slap-on-the-hands sentence. At least the bike has been 
returned.





From: Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com
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Sent: Wed, November 14, 2012 8:02:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Suspect CL Atlantis posting

He doesn't need to.  That theft is going to cost the guy at least $10,000, if 
not $20,000

On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:34:15 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
While it is said the noblest vengeance is to forgive, I hope Max got at least 
one good poke at the slimeball who stole his bike. :)
This story made my day!!




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Re: [RBW] Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

[Ray Shine]

Yes. My Gomez is set up similarly, but I use Sugino cranks, with an 8 speed 
11-32 cass. I use stem shifters instead of BEs. It's my semi-daily commuter (my 
other commuters are the Quickbeam, and a fendered IGH Jamis for wet weather).





From: Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, September 26, 2012 3:33:49 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Anyone ride a Riv-ish double crank setup?

Nice bike Brian, thanks for the pics.
Michael

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:55:22 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
My AHH has 46/30, Electra Ticino crank, VO rings and 10 speed, 11-34 rear 
cassette. Using an indexed 10 speed bar end shifter. Works great.


http://i91.photobucket.com/ albums/k292/bylar13/005-2.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/ albums/k292/bylar13/007-2.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/ albums/k292/bylar13/006-2.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

[Ray Shine]

I have used the Thule on my Jeep Cherokee for several years and like it a lot. 
One big drawback to the Thule is that it is a little on the heavy side. The 
thing I really like about it is that it uses a bolt to hold it into the 
receiver 
rather than a pin. This holds the rack firmly and it does not wiggle around 
inside the receiver. My bro-n-law uses one of the Swagman racks like David. He 
drives a small Subaru. Here is the Thule model I use:

http://www.rei.com/product/816726/thule-t2-xtr-2-bike






From: David Spranger daspran...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, September 24, 2012 3:07:41 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: OT: Advice on trailer hitch mounted bicycle racks

I have this one mounted on my wife's Prius:
http://www.etrailer.com/Hitch-Bike-Racks/Swagman/S64670.html

I can highly recommend it. Easy to install, remove, fold up, and mount and 
dismount bikes. Never have felt that the bikes were less than secure while 
carrying them.

David 
Charlotte, NC

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:09:52 PM UTC-4, Scot Brooks wrote:
I'm going to be picking up a little Class 1 trailer hitch and bike rack for my 
Honda Fit, and I'm hoping for some advice. The hitch is easy, but the selection 
of racks is a little overwhelming, even with the reviews and all that.


I'm just wondering if anyone has specifically gone this route and found 
something they'd happily recommend. Thanks all!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot $1650 in SF Craigslist

[Ray Shine]

Actually, not as bad as it may seem, especially if you know the streets and 
routes. I can't speak for others, but here is a link that visually explains why 
I ride bikes in SF. This set is me on my Quickbeam.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157622736798584/





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Sent: Sun, September 16, 2012 8:15:24 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot $1650 in SF Craigslist


I have been to SF once. I don't see how you SF people do it.

Massive hill grades and lotsa traffic in the city.
 
Is it actually rideable in a pleasant way there? 
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Re: [RBW] stem shifters!

[Ray Shine]

I like stem shifters. I have two bikes set with them, and will possibly convert 
my Atlantis from DT to stem shifting.  On my Gomez, I followed Rene's lead and 
used a set of Paul Thumbies to carry Shimano BE shifters. Works very well, and 
looks very clean.

Here's a shot of a vintage SunTour set on my Bleriot:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/4549201864/in/set-72157623799483763

and a poor shot of a set of Shimano shifters mounted to Paul Thumbies that I 
have set up on my Gomez:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/6474780003/in/set-72157628327426017





From: Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, September 12, 2012 6:48:22 AM
Subject: RE: [RBW] stem shifters!

 
Riv put 'em on my Mystery Bike -- they're REALLY great.
 
Here (cable obviously not hooked up):  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7734587352/in/set-72157630957672582



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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:40 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] stem shifters!


I might have to get me a copy of the IRD stem shifter thingy.  That thing is 
sweet! 


http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh15.htm 

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Re: [RBW] A little OT: Swift Industries interview

[Ray Shine]

Nice interview. I have been using the Swift waxed cotton bags almost 
exclusively 
for the past several years. Exceptionally well designed and made. I highly 
recommend their products. I chose those bags over Riv's because I wanted single 
bags, not attached bags. In commute mode, I rarely use two bags. So, I have one 
bag on my daily commuter, and one on the back-up (meaning with fenders) 
commuter.





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Sent: Mon, September 10, 2012 10:06:34 AM
Subject: [RBW] A little OT: Swift Industries interview

I got to interview Martina from Swift this weekend. They make super nice bags 
for bicycles, and the waxed canvas option is excellent and quite Riv-ish. Check 
it out if you like. 
http://cyclingillustrated.com/local-maker-interview-vol-1-swift-industries-by-scot-hinckley/


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Re: [RBW] ISO 59cm Bleriot FFHS

[Ray Shine]

Hit me up off list. I have a 59 I've been thinking about selling. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 An admittedly stunning bike but for the amount she rides seems like overkill.
 
 On Aug 29, 2012 6:36 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 If she wants 650b, how about Vince's Saluki which was posted recently? I've 
 seen it up close and it's in great shape. 
 
 jim m
 wc ca
 
 On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
 So my wife who is tall  (and pretty) wants a pretty bike and says the
 MB2 is too mannish to be cruising around the hip(?) streets of
 Brooklyn. She of course likes 650b since it is suddenly cool so I
 tried to sell her on a Sam but she liked the looks of the Bleriot so
 thought I would cast a net out there to see if anyone has a Frame/Fork/
 Headset they wanted to part with. I will be doing the build since she
 likes IGH hubs for around town riding. Any condition really is fine as
 long as there are no dents/accident damage. I can do re-sprays in my
 yard with some yummy toxic paint if needs be. I know this is a long
 shot but if you never ask you never know. Thanks all.
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Are Brooks saddles really that high maintenance?

[Ray Shine]

I agree. I sweat a lot, and have never ruined a Brooks. I use Brooks on all my 
bikes. If I ride in rain, I try to remember to cover the saddle, but often 
forget. Generally the nose will get wet and darken, but after an air dry, it 
goes away.  I don't even use the goop on them. I just ride 'em.





From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 10, 2012 7:13:50 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Are Brooks saddles really that high maintenance?

On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 19:14 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
 Hi everyone,
  
 Since I am new to Riv, I am also new to Brooks.
 In Just Ride Grant tells how to care fof a leather saddle.
 He says to cover it with something to keep it dry - whether from sweat
 or rain. He says sweat from long rides.
  
 But sweat, really? Every time I go on a long ride I need to ride with
 a cover or shower cap, or something on it to keep my sweat off it? Is
 it really that high maintenance?

Not at all.  

  
 What do you think? What is your experience?

I think it's a gross exaggeration.  I do use a saddle cover in the rain.
For sweat?  Never.  




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Re: [RBW] Do you friction or indexed?

[Ray Shine]

I'm strictly a friction guy. I tired of the minor mal-adjustment thingy so 
problematic with indexing. It's nice to have the ability to trim the shifting 
by 
fractional movements of the shifter. Plus, I'm never in a hurry…





From: lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, August 10, 2012 11:42:12 AM
Subject: [RBW] Do you friction or indexed?


I have been using the indexed. But lately it hasn't been shifting too good.
So I have started using the frictionoption on my bar end lever.
It is smoot and quiet. I think I like it better.
Is there anything wrong with not even bothering to get the indexed adjusted 
properly if I am just gonna stick to friction?
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Re: [RBW] Glacier NP

[Ray Shine]

I would love to go along, but can't. I have been following the journal of a 
friend of mine on CrazyGuy. They went over that road last week and had a 
terrible go of it due to miles of on-going construction. Better look into that 
lest you be disappointed.  Hsve fun. Sounds like a good trip.





From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 16, 2012 9:31:30 AM
Subject: [RBW] Glacier NP

My Amtrak Rewards points have accumulated enough to net me a free ticket to 
Whitefish, Montana in 3 weeks. I should have a week or so of riding/camping in 
and around Whitefish, the Going to the Sun Road, and other attractions, on my 
way to East Glacier to catch a return train. Anybody gonna be in that vicinity 
and want to get together for a ride or socializing? I won't be riding a Riv, 
but 
a Rohloff-equipped, hydraulic-braked  Disc Trucker, which is only Riv-ish if 
seen from a distance - but my heart is in the right place!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

[Ray Shine]

I like that, as well. Very clever design, but don't plan on using any open wood 
burner like that in California between June and November lest you set the state 
ablaze. Most such stoves are banned during that time, and for good reason. 







From: Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 3, 2012 1:34:05 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

Interesting idea. Thanks for sharing. 

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:27:51 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
Hi friends,

I know there's been some previous discussion of not posting shameless 
promotions; however, I really think the Slat Grill is a Rivish item that you 
might not ever be aware of otherwise.   It's a really simple portable camping 
grill perfect for a groovy S24O.  I have no vested interest in the product 
other 
than I have one.  It's incredibly versitle and couldn't be more simple. AND 
you 
can cook some really cool stuff on it.  Plus it's made right here in 
Roseville, 
MN and the guy who designed it loves to eat great food.  He cooked me a 
grilled 
pear with gorganzola cheese and honey that was out of this world.  AND it fits 
in a Baggins Adam.

Okay.  'nough said.

http://huckberry.com/brands/356

Liesl in hot-n-steamy minneapolis

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Re: [RBW] New (to me) Hillborne w/photo

[Ray Shine]

Nice! Sure looks better parked in garage and ready to go than boxed up in a 
dark 
corner of mine!  Good work! enjoy!






From: rrupp rcr...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 16, 2012 4:28:34 PM
Subject: [RBW] New (to me) Hillborne w/photo


Lurked here for quite awhile now without actually owning a Rivendell,  but a 
week or so ago I picked up an orange Sam Hillborne frame and fork  courtesy Ray 
Shine (thanks!).  Built it up in typical Riv fashion:   Sugino XD2 triple, 
8-speed 11-32, Synergy rims, Noodle bars (cork tape shellacked and twined), 
Silver friction shifters, and Tektro 559 brakes.   Still got to get racks and 
fenders.

Rides nice, sportier than I imagined.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Cool knobbly tires at BG

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I agree. Not many like these for 700s. I just grabbed a couple. (Do wish they 
came in all black casing, however.) 






From: Mark Chandler gravelb...@hotmail.com
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Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 9:28:49 AM
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Cool knobbly tires at BG

  
Super-excited for these tires.  The originals had a great combination of 
roll-speed and grip, and I suspect these will be even better due to the nicer 
casing.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 57 Romulus anyone?

[Ray Shine]

My RBW invoice lists my Rom frame at 61.





From: Reid reidp...@earthlink.net
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Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 9:50:42 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: 57 Romulus anyone?

Um, a bit off topic, but ...

I have what I think is a 56 Romulus. Usually sizes are at least 2
apart, so did they do Roms in 54, 56, 58 etc., at one time and 55, 57,
59 etc. at another time?

Reid

On May 22, 2:08 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote:
 I sometimes toy with the idea of selling my 57 Romulus, which is a bit
 large for me. But any such sale would be contingent on finding a 55 Legolas
 or 55 Romulus. If you have a line on one of those, drop me a line.

 Aaron



 On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:27:49 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote:

  Anyone looking to part with same?  Thanks!

  Ryan- Hide quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Wanted: Sam Hillborne

[Ray Shine]

In case you have a block on, i responded to you off list re a 56 I have for 
sale.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 6, 2012, at 3:37 PM, 3wheelin ssubman2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 May be a pipe dream, but i am looking for a 56cm Sam Hillborne, either
 complete bike or frame/ fork/headsetsingle or double TT is ok
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rationalizing a Reduction; Encourage Me

[Ray Shine]

Thanks to all of you who responded. I enjoyed reading all the posts. Beth, my 
wife would agree and disagree with your reply. She would be adamant in both 
cases, though: I do have too many bikes, and that proves the second point, 
having more than one butt, the other being at the top end of my torso.

The folder prospect I am respectfully dismissing. I have owned folders in the 
past, and rarely ever folded them. My entire commute is by bike, and I never 
incorporate public transit into that commute, so a folder isn't needed.  My 
employer has a large, and very secure and convenient bike cage in the basement 
garage of the building, so my commuter is never locked out on the street to a 
pole or meter. My second employer allows bikes to be brought right up into the 
work space.

Many have advised to keep the QB. I admit that I nearly left it on my keep 
list as well. Last year I removed the drop bars and replaced them with Albas, 
and that is a wonderful commuting set up. But, last year I also picked up my 
Yves Gomez, and equipped it with albas, a rack, and a wide-range double chain 
ring set up. That has become my favorite all time commute/short day rides bike, 
so it will stay in my garage. I'll need to fender it, however, if I dump the 
Jamis commuter.  For the time, I'll remove the QB from the list. Maybe go back 
to drop bars.

Many urge keeping the Atlantis. I agree. It was never in jeopardy.

Several urge keeping the Bleriot. I like it a lot, but it is a size too small, 
and my Rawland will give me the 650B experience. I will keep the Rawland for 
the 
handful of times each year that I ride off-road in desert sand conditions and 
very occassional day rides up Mt. Tam or in the Marin Headlands. I do have two 
sets of 650 wheels, and have commuted on the Rawland with a set shod in Fatty 
Rumpkins.

For the road, I like the Canti-Rom, and it was my very first RBW purchase. Fits 
like a glove.

Always welcome more comments. This is a very cool groupo!







From: Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 5:59:26 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rationalizing a Reduction; Encourage Me

It's both a nice and slightly embarassing quandry to have: 9 bikes,
one butt.

I recently sold off my singlespeed (Redling MonoCog) after determining
that, much as I've anjoyed it, my knees can no longer handle
singlespeed mountain biking. That leaves the All-Rounder, the LongLow
and the Surly Big Dummy as my remaining bikes that are ready to ride.

Between the three of them, my bikes don't so it all, but as a rider,
neither do I anymore.
I think the hardest part was admitting to myself that I had changed
enough as a rider to justify selling off the dross.

Beth in PDX

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rationalizing a Reduction; Encourage Me

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That QB recommendation is a great one. Use it as my beater.  As it is, the 
frame is already showing its age, and the paint chips and scratches are too 
numerous to count.  Good idea!  My only concern would be locking, but I have 
locks aplenty. I don't need but one lock at the work place(s) since those are 
both secure facilities. But the other city errands I must lock the bike to 
poles 
or meters, so I need to be cautious. But, it is beat up looking, and that 
always 
helps.  I could even consider keeping the IGF from my Jamis, and work that onto 
the QB.





From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:04:34 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rationalizing a Reduction; Encourage Me

As I watch the thread unfold, and see the suggestions of new bikes to buy, it 
reminds me of what happened when I went to sell my vintage camera lenses... I 
bought a digital body I could use with them!

Atlantis - keep it. If you had one bike and two wheelsets, this would be it. 
Buy 
two big locks for commuting. 
Quickbeam - I am prejudiced, but if you had one bike and two wheelsets, this 
COULD be it... :^) Fixed, with a front basket, this is your new beater.  
Canti-Rom, set up as fast and light as you can make it. 

Rawland set up as burly as you can make it. 

I'd ride three of these on fireroads, or commute on a different three. Flared 
drops all around. If they're all 700c, you could move a single dyno wheel 
between bikes, depending on need. It's a shame to sell an Yves, but... someone 
will love it. 

 Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Saturday, May 5, 2012 10:50:42 AM UTC-7, Ray wrote:
I feel a bit foolish even posting such a message, having read in the 
past so many that are similar. Bike-wise, I feel like one of the 1%, 
although I am far way from actually being a true One Percenter. So, I 
want to thin the herd, as it is so often phrased here, and am seeking 
advice from the group. Actually, I am seeking encouragement, as well 
as practical comments on the following reduction plan. Will I have my 
riding spectrum covered without too much overlap? 

Here is what I have: 
An Atlantis, fully rigged and used for long-distance touring; 
occassionally pulling a BOB trailer. 
A first generation Quickbeam, rigged for city commute. 
An Yves Gomez, rigged for city commute. 
A Bleriot, rigged for any kind of riding. 
A Canti-Romulus, rigged for roading. 
An un-built, new-in-the-box, Single TT Hillborne, Orange. 
A Rawland Sogn mountain bike, 650B (Used primarily on fire roads) 
A Jamis IGH commuter (my beater for city commute in rain) 

Here is how I see the garage after the reduction: 
An Atlantis (Or, maybe the Sam) for loaded tours 
An Yves Gomez for city commute 
A Canti-Rom for fast rides 
A Rawland Sogn for off-road
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Swiss Army Knife

[Ray Shine]

Is there more than one RBW site? I find no swiss army knife on the site.





From: Kris kkjellqu...@gmail.com
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Sent: Thu, April 12, 2012 11:29:41 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Swiss Army Knife

I found it

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/camp13.htm


On Apr 12, 2:24 pm, Kris kkjellqu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Am I dreaming or wasn't there a Swiss Army Knife in the riv catalog
 for a while?  Anyone remember the model?  It seemed like a nice one.
 The number of different models to sort through is ridiculous!
 Thinking about a gift for my daughter along with a Trangia Stove...two
 camping items she should have forever.

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Re: [RBW] My new Simpleone!

[Ray Shine]

Very nice.  I like the use of interrupter levers. Funny thing about the 
singles; 
there's just that something about 'em…





From: John L johnlimo...@msn.com
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Sent: Sat, March 31, 2012 5:22:06 AM
Subject: [RBW] My new Simpleone!

I had no intention of buying a new bike.  Let me say that for starters.  But as 
part of my trip to the Bay Area last month I made it over to Walnut Creek and 
found a nice looking Simpleone in the showroom.  So, took a 62cm model out for 
a 
spin, loved the fit, loved how light and springy it felt compared to my racked, 
bagged, geared, and fendered Hillborne (not to say I don't also love that).  
But 
since I had no intention of buying a new bike, I walked out with a Mark's Wrap 
and a stack of Rivendell readers.  And, only hatching in my mind, a plan to 
save 
pennies, sell lemonade, etc until I could get my hands on one.  And then, 
panic, 
I get home and the Simpleone goes away from the web page.  So, sense and 
frugality having taken their leave, lust and terror dictating the action, I 
fret, email, fret more, and manage to come away with that same 62cm model I 
demo'ed a few weeks before.  Here are some quick iphone pictures, just after 
the 
shakedown ride.  I do not regret a thing.

link to the flickr pics

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Re: [RBW] SF Randonneurs Populaire this Saturday

[Ray Shine]

Bring a rain coat and dry clothes:
http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USCA0887






From: Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
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Sent: Thu, March 29, 2012 12:10:06 PM
Subject: [RBW] SF Randonneurs Populaire this Saturday

Having been inspired by many people on the forum to ride a Randonneur
event, I'm planning to ride the populaire this Saturday. Anyone else
going? Any advice for someone who hasn't ridden a Randonneur event
before? I'm still kinda worried about the control cards and what not.
More importantly what do I wear? Hopefully I can tag along with
someone who knows what their doing.

-Manny What sport am I doing again? Acosta

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Re: [RBW] New Betty Foy

[Ray Shine]

Not a Foy owner, but I do own a Gomez (same thing) that I really like for 
commuting and errands. Great design. Yours looks really nice. Enjoy!





From: William tapebu...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 9:42:44 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] New Betty Foy

She's a beaut!  Hopefully I'll see that one out on the road.  I'm leaning hard 
towards a 58 before they go, as well.  

On Monday, March 26, 2012 11:00:14 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
Great looking bike. I'm tempted to get a 62 as they are phasing them out.


On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Jamie nouveauw...@gmail.com wrote:


I thought I would introduce myself and show off a photo of my recently 
purchased 
62 cm Betty Foy. The bike and I reside in Berkeley and our much-needed rain has 
kept me from doing a great deal of riding in it during the last 2 weeks. The 
few 
trips I've taken around town and up the bay trail have been fantastic; I'm 
hoping to get a lot more riding time soon. 

--Jamie
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Re: [RBW] Just got a Soma San Marcos

[Ray Shine]

Sweet!





From: PatKendall revfirstsh...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tue, March 13, 2012 7:56:42 AM
Subject: [RBW] Just got a Soma San Marcos

I am delighted to say that I just purchased my first Rivendell
bicycle. Dick Denning and his father, Dick Senior, with the Country
Bike Shop, Celina, Ohio, met me part way (I live in Memphis,
Tennessee) to deliver the bike. Photos here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51857171@N04/sets/72157629209094990/

The entire process has been great. Dick was on top of things from
beginning to end--even though I threw him a curve by switching my
frame choice in the middle of things. My wife, who joined me for the
pickup and fitting, was amazed at Dick's enthusiasm and expertise. (I
was also, although my calls and emails had prepared me for our
meeting.) Dick and his dad were great. I can't recommend them highly
enough. (No, I don't own stock in the company.)  :-)

I've only had one ride so far--about 35 miles. Can't wait to get back
on the bike. More later. I just wanted to get this post and photos up.

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Re: [RBW] Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[Ray Shine]

+1 for Swift Industries bags. I have their waxed canvas panniers. They are 
great. I never use my Ortliebs anymore.

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Re: [RBW] Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[Ray Shine]

Orrliebs are also very well made and, of course, practical. I have used them as 
clothes washers and rinsers, water haulers, and kept a turtle in one while 
riding across a party of a Kansas section. I released it in a safe area.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:56 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 How do these compare with Ortlieb Packers? I find the Packers
 excellent; a lot of buckles, straps and drawcords make them a bit
 fiddly for shopping, but the attachment system is excellent, not only
 very secure and rattle free (if you set them up correctly) but unlike
 some other panniers I've had, they stay out of the spokes even with
 the minimalist racks I favor. I like the attachment system much better
 than the usual J hook plus bungee. And of course they hold immense
 amounts.
 
 Question two: any practical as opposed to aesthetic benefit for canvas
 over heavy duty nylon?
 
 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM, MSmith bee...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm a huge fan of the Carradice SuperC panniers.
 
 Mike in springlike So. Boston, Mass
 
 
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 Swift Industries are worth a look in my opinion, too
 
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Re: [RBW] Bay Area Travel/Biking - any place

[Ray Shine]

John -- San Francisco abounds in bike rentals. One can go to very few of the 
popular routes or places and not see dozens of people on rental bikes.  
Sometimes, it's literally hundreds.  I do not know what they charge, but the 
bikes look to be well maintained and most if not all are hybrids with fat tires 
and upright seating. Also increasingly more popular are electrics and electric 
assists rentals. Most of the rentals I see around here are Marin or Trek, and 
the various electrics.

Most of us in this area have done many times what you are anticipating; biking 
everywhere in the Bay Area.  With the intermodal public transportation system 
-- 
most bike friendly and accommodating -- one can easily get around sans 
automobile. Once in SF purchase a Clipper Card (Start with two cards at $20 
each, then add funds accordingly). That allows you ready access and entry to SF 
Muni, BART, CalTrain, Golden Gate Transit, and other transits.

From SF, one can bike all the way to Palo Alto and beyond, or go part way and 
incorporate CalTrain into the plan. IMO, CalTrain is the most bike 
accommodating 
agency around, with dedicated bike cars on each train. You can also take BART 
to 
the east bay -- and to walnut Creek to RBW -- or ride it. Of course, a ride 
across the Golden Gate Bridge is a must, then you also can ride into Marin's 
most famous areas; Marin Headlands, Tiburon/Paradise, Mt. Tam, Point Reyes, 
etc. 
You can ferry back to SF from Sausalito, Tiburon, and San Anselmo.

I often bike from SF all the way to Alameda via the Dumbarton Bridge. Much of 
that route is on the Bay Trail with mixed surfaces. 


You can also take AmTrak Capitol Corridor express from the east bay which is 
bike accommodating, and ride up to Davis, Winters, Sacramento and beyond. You 
can also ferry to Vallejo and ride from there.

There's nearly endless opportunities for great rides and accommodating public 
transit.  I'm sure others  will also have sound suggestions. Enjoy!





From: John L johnlimo...@msn.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 22, 2012 6:13:24 PM
Subject: [RBW] Bay Area Travel/Biking - any place

My wife and I will be traveling from Boston to California in March and
have 4-5 days to explore the Bay area, which will involve visiting
friends in Palo Alto, downtown SF, and Napa, and, I hope, a pilgrimage
to the Riv HQ.  We were hoping to do this exploration mostly by bike -
credit card style, although probably trains, ferries and even a rental
car may come into play (details are sketchy at this point).  Any
recommendations for how to get a reliable riv-ish ride for that time?
I'm considering shipping our bikes (seems cheaper than bringing them
on an airplane) but it makes me nervous.  I'd prefer to rent, but most
of what's out there seems to be offering skinny tired carbon bikes or
hybrids, neither of which appeals to me.  On a previous similar
thread, someone suggests Karim's used bikes in Berkeley but elsewhere
on the internet, it's reputed to be a fence for thieves.  Bay Area
Bikes offers the Big Dummy which is an attractive option but probably
overbuilt for our needs (it makes my wife a little nervous).  I'd go
out of my way for a good rental so if you know of somewhere else in
the Bay Area I should consider, let me know.  Thanks! - John

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

[Ray Shine]

I know you are thinking all of this thru. you shouldn't rush. readd all the 
posts and the Riv site as well. Read cyclofiends info, too. Check out the 
various photo sets, etc. 


I just wanted you to know that I will be off-line for the next few hours, so if 
you were to email me, a response is not likely until this evening.  Going on a 
Marin County  ride between storms!





From: Mike Goldsworthy mgoldswor...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 21, 2012 9:19:56 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models


Jim - that's incredibly helpful. Thanks do much for this!


Mike

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On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:



Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now!


The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version of 
their legendary All-rounder. The all-rounder is/was a bike-style designed to 
work well in the following ways:


as a road bike for people not set on racing lightness or racing geometry. 
as an offroad vehicle once you mount some wide tires, and the tire clearance 
is 
wide. Grant would shoot for two inches, although the first Atlantis's in 99 
through 2001 only got to about 1.9.
as an excellent touring bike
and in other ways you can think of, because the bike is so versatile.


The versatility came through the very high clearances and cantilever brakes 
which gave no problem mounting fenders and very wide tires. The bike has a 
pretty long wheelbase and pretty long chainstays (although still shorter than 
the 80's Trek 720's). It has a low bottom bracket which improves road handling 
and invites larger tires, especially for offroad use. The other part of the 
versatility is the rack braze-ons and really nice fender mounting spots. In 
the 
earlier part of the 90's, one of the distinguishing features of the 
all-rounder 
was basing it around 26 inch wheels. This came from the Bridgestone days, when 
they were one of the few companies making hybrids based around the more 
useful 
at the time 26 inch wheel size when offroading is even considered. When 
Rivendell started, the All-rounder model would continue this 26-inch wheel 
design, and that was one of the features that made me want one then. But early 
in Rivendell's existence, they started not liking the 26-inch wheels on the 
larger sizes, and began selling the larger ones with 700c wheels and the 
smaller 
ones with 26 inch wheel. As a tall guy, this bummed me out until I was 
convinced 
that in the late 90's, offroad 700c tires, even 2-inch varieties, were 
beginning 
to blossom, mostly from WTB and Schwalbe. 


In the late 90's, the all-rounder was a model made in the US and was fairly 
expensive, and Grant wanted to make a version of it in Japan that would cost 
less. This is where the Atlantis came from. It has those all-rounder qualities 
described above, the big tire clearance, the great touring behavior, the 
offroad 
capability, nice bike to ride unloaded for road rides. It's an amazing bike, 
and 
it's still available as originally designed, only now it has more rack 
braze-ons 
for added versatility (mini-racks and such). I speak from experience regarding 
the Atlantis. I got mine in 2001, and it really can do everything I would want 
to do riding. All my other bikes are specialists in some specific cycling 
arena 
that the Atlantis can hold its own: sporty road rides, cross-country mountain 
biking, commuting, sub-24-hour overnighters, country biking with long days and 
mixed surfaces. What the Atlantis excels at that the others can't match is 
touring rides that include camping. 700c in the large sizes and 26 inch in the 
smaller sizes. Amazing bike. One of the higher price Rivendell production 
models, but worth it. And the 700c tire options are wonderful now. I don't 
long 
for 26ers much anymore. Additionally, the Atlantis was ahead of the mainstream 
now so excited about these modern 29ers!


A Homer Hilsen:
Perhaps without the All-rounder, the AHH could not have come about. Let's say 
you never want to tour, you love country rides, you like to veer off-road, you 
like to go overnight, just not days on end, you like to be comfortable for a 
long day. You like to carry stuff on your bike, at least sometimes, and you 
like 
road rides. But most importantly, in addition to all of the above, you want to 
do most of it, including the road rides, on tires that are between 32 mm and 
40 
mm, because you've discovered what an awesome size that is, including for road 
rides. Also, because you like that tire width so much, you don't want to scale 
the tire down just to mount a fender. If so, then the A Homer Hilsen is the 
bike. Also, the A Homer Hilsen has a cool refinement: dual pivot sidepulls 
work 
well and still provide the clearance needed 

Re: [RBW] Last ride in 2011 and first ride with Ray Shine!

[Ray Shine]

Rene is gracious to a fault, and his company was great!  He's correct about the 
compliments that he received. And I was amazed at the numbers of those 
compliments.  I attribute that to the stunning Atlantis that he rides. To 
borrow 
a  phrase from my boat-building days, Rene really pays keen attention to  
detail, and that makes all the difference.  Virtually everyone who  called out 
a 
compliment was passing the both of us on a racing bike. I  was chagrined 
because my Riv went virtually unnoticed behind Rene's  gorgeous Atlantis. Even 
the sole Riv-rider we came across didn't notice  that I, too, was aboard a Riv 
until I commented on the fact after he had  announced It's nice to see another 
Riv rider out here! That's how  magnetic Rene's build is. Bike lovers can't 
take their eyes off of  it.

After close inspection of Rene's new cockpit set up, we both  started to wonder 
why RBW is apparently putting them on hiatus?  They  are exquisite bars. (Upon 
my return home, I went to RBW site with the  thought that I'd buy a set. Alas! 
Sold out!)  


Good ride, good, company, and great bikes! For me, it was a good end to a 
not-so-good year.




From: René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 12:02:27 AM
Subject: [RBW] Last ride in 2011 and first ride with Ray Shine!


Bidding good-bye to 2011 couldn't have been any better. In great RBW spirit, I 
finally met fellow list member Ray Shine who had always offered to take me on 
rides around San Francisco. It is entirely my fault for having taken so long, 
but it finally happened.
 
Yesterday I met with Ray at the San Francisco Marina and together we rode over 
accross the Golden Gate Bridge and then up Conzelman Road into the Marin 
Headlands to do Ray's loop. Being the last day of the year and with the 
gorgeous 
weather we had, the place was invaded with tourists on cars and rental bikes. 
Luckily, the rental bikes were turning left into Sausalito and not going up 
Conzelman Road. Ray was amazed at how many cars there were, so we were careful 
but had no issues.
 
Plenty of roadies on CF bikes passed us, and while no one asked how much our 
bikes weighed (who would ask that after taking a look at me...?) I got an 
incredible number of compliments on my Atlantis. Even Ray complimented my bike 
when we first met. He was complaining that no one was giving him any 
compliments 
on his black Yves, although a couple of people complimented us both as they 
passed. Still, he couldn't believe the number of compliments.
 
After taking some photos of the view of the Golden Gate, the city and the Bay 
at 
the highest vista point, we went down the 18% descent that has seen Ray crash 
twice last year; fist in January when he broke his collarbone and recently when 
he had his rim blow-out. We went cautiosly with cars coming behind us and 
pumping the brakes so the rims wouldn't heat up too much and stopped in the 
middle where more photos were taken. That descent is absolutely breathtaking. 
It's not just the 18% downhill grade, it's the fact that you have the ocean in 
front of you and just a guard-rail between you and the breathtaking view. Just 
awesome.
 
After the descent we continued on Conzelman Road to its end, took some more 
photos of the two bikes and then Ray got me on the Atlantis with all the silver 
parts reflecting the setting sun. Back via Bunker Road and then up to Conzelman 
Road via McCullough Road for a final descent on the steepest initial climb up 
Conzelman, back over the Golden Gate Bridge and finally, once down on Crissy 
Field the search for a coffee place that was closed and then further ahead, a 
Starbucks that was open. 

 
Having had nothing to eat since breakfast, combined with a few days of getting 
back on the proper eating plan plus not enough riding in the past 6 months 
resulted in my legs feeling completely empty by the time we finished the ride. 
A 
good soy latte and a chicken sandwich restored me and tasted like glory. Ray's 
company and guiding was nothing short of wonderful and to me, the first of many 
wonderful rides that I'll be asking him to take me along. 

 
On our way back after crossing the Golden Gate we saw the only other Rivendell 
bike that we'd see all day, and as luck would have it, the owner ran into us 
again as we were walking from the Starbucks to find a bench to sit down and eat 
on the Marina. Words and salutations were exchanged, mutual admiration comments 
on our bikes (he was riding a beautiful orange Sam) and he and Ray exchanged 
contact info since both live in the city and Ray has seen him before. 

 
For me, the most incredible thing was how incredible the spirit of both Ray and 
this other rider who is in his 70s is. As a younger man in my early 50s, it's 
awesome to see how these men contradict the traditional image I grew up with 
that as we got older we were just not supposed to be doing these things

Re: [RBW] Last ride in 2011 and first ride with Ray Shine!

[Ray Shine]

Rene is gracious to a fault, and his company was great!  He's correct about the 
compliments that he received. And I was amazed at the numbers of those 
compliments.  I attribute that to the stunning Atlantis that he rides. To 
borrow 
a  phrase from my boat-building days, Rene really pays keen attention to  
detail, and that makes all the difference.  Virtually everyone who  called out 
a 
compliment was passing the both of us on a racing bike. I  was chagrined 
because my Riv went virtually unnoticed behind Rene's  gorgeous Atlantis. Even 
the sole Riv-rider we came across didn't notice  that I, too, was aboard a Riv 
until I commented on the fact after he had  announced It's nice to see another 
Riv rider out here! That's how  magnetic Rene's build is. Bike lovers can't 
take their eyes off of  it.

After close inspection of Rene's new cockpit set up, we both  started to wonder 
why RBW is apparently putting them on hiatus?  They  are exquisite bars. (Upon 
my return home, I went to RBW site with the  thought that I'd buy a set. Alas! 
Sold out!)  


Good ride, good, company, and great bikes! For me, it was a good end to a 
not-so-good year.




From: René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 12:02:27 AM
Subject: [RBW] Last ride in 2011 and first ride with Ray Shine!


Bidding good-bye to 2011 couldn't have been any better. In great RBW spirit, I 
finally met fellow list member Ray Shine who had always offered to take me on 
rides around San Francisco. It is entirely my fault for having taken so long, 
but it finally happened.
 
Yesterday I met with Ray at the San Francisco Marina and together we rode over 
accross the Golden Gate Bridge and then up Conzelman Road into the Marin 
Headlands to do Ray's loop. Being the last day of the year and with the 
gorgeous 
weather we had, the place was invaded with tourists on cars and rental bikes. 
Luckily, the rental bikes were turning left into Sausalito and not going up 
Conzelman Road. Ray was amazed at how many cars there were, so we were careful 
but had no issues.
 
Plenty of roadies on CF bikes passed us, and while no one asked how much our 
bikes weighed (who would ask that after taking a look at me...?) I got an 
incredible number of compliments on my Atlantis. Even Ray complimented my bike 
when we first met. He was complaining that no one was giving him any 
compliments 
on his black Yves, although a couple of people complimented us both as they 
passed. Still, he couldn't believe the number of compliments.
 
After taking some photos of the view of the Golden Gate, the city and the Bay 
at 
the highest vista point, we went down the 18% descent that has seen Ray crash 
twice last year; fist in January when he broke his collarbone and recently when 
he had his rim blow-out. We went cautiosly with cars coming behind us and 
pumping the brakes so the rims wouldn't heat up too much and stopped in the 
middle where more photos were taken. That descent is absolutely breathtaking. 
It's not just the 18% downhill grade, it's the fact that you have the ocean in 
front of you and just a guard-rail between you and the breathtaking view. Just 
awesome.
 
After the descent we continued on Conzelman Road to its end, took some more 
photos of the two bikes and then Ray got me on the Atlantis with all the silver 
parts reflecting the setting sun. Back via Bunker Road and then up to Conzelman 
Road via McCullough Road for a final descent on the steepest initial climb up 
Conzelman, back over the Golden Gate Bridge and finally, once down on Crissy 
Field the search for a coffee place that was closed and then further ahead, a 
Starbucks that was open. 

 
Having had nothing to eat since breakfast, combined with a few days of getting 
back on the proper eating plan plus not enough riding in the past 6 months 
resulted in my legs feeling completely empty by the time we finished the ride. 
A 
good soy latte and a chicken sandwich restored me and tasted like glory. Ray's 
company and guiding was nothing short of wonderful and to me, the first of many 
wonderful rides that I'll be asking him to take me along. 

 
On our way back after crossing the Golden Gate we saw the only other Rivendell 
bike that we'd see all day, and as luck would have it, the owner ran into us 
again as we were walking from the Starbucks to find a bench to sit down and eat 
on the Marina. Words and salutations were exchanged, mutual admiration comments 
on our bikes (he was riding a beautiful orange Sam) and he and Ray exchanged 
contact info since both live in the city and Ray has seen him before. 

 
For me, the most incredible thing was how incredible the spirit of both Ray and 
this other rider who is in his 70s is. As a younger man in my early 50s, it's 
awesome to see how these men contradict the traditional image I grew up with 
that as we got older we were just not supposed to be doing these things

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone Regret Selling a Bike?

[Ray Shine]

Colin -- What canyon outside Amarillo?  Is it in a park or a greenbelt?





From: colin p. cummings colinthehip...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 3, 2012 6:43:30 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone Regret Selling a Bike?

I sold a green QB two years ago and still regret it.  I have a picture
of me standing over it on a bright summer day packed to ride to the
canyon outside Amarillo, TX.  I am beaming.  That was a good day.

On Dec 30 2011, 11:47 pm, Mattt mattto...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Folks,

 I am contemplating selling my Quickbeam I recently purchased from John on
 the Forum.  It is in great condition and has barely been ridden.  I am
 thinking about selling it because I only rode it a few times, don't see
 riding it much for a while, and could use the cash.  I get my riding time
 in mostly commuting and what I use my Sam for.  The regret part I think
 about is will I in a few years change my cycling routine and have a need
 for the Quickbeam.  I don't know, tough call.

 The main I posted this is wondering if anyone in the group regretted
 selling a bike.

 Matt

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Re: [RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[Ray Shine]

Rene -- did you notice the bag on my rack Saturday was a Swift Industries 
pannier in waxed cotton. A great MUSA bag that is my favorite.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:05 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold one 
 and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train pulled into 
 the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy, and I tried 
 to capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds me of the 
 Anna Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the train 
 pulling into the train station in the fog while they said good-bye... or 
 something like that.
  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
  
 It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the process 
 of installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon Dureme 
 tires, 150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front Pass  Stow 
 rack (the Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack should be 
 arriving any day now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle.
  
 I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just 
 added a new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux 
 light so now I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.
  
 Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on the 
 Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although I'm 
 getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When it 
 gets fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you love 
 them all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!
  
 Happy 2012!!!
  
 René
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Re: [RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[Ray Shine]

Yes, that was an Acorn saddlebag, but not at all new. In fact, it is Generation 
One from Acorn.  I have divested myself of nearly all of my Acorn stuff, much 
preferring these days the Keven's V-Brand saddlebags.  The Swift Industries 
stuff is First Rate. I recommend their products very highly. The primary 
advantage with the Swift stuff over the RBW V-brand Panniers is that they are 
two separate bags as opposed to two bags joined together, which makes for more 
versatility in packing and not having to worry over balancing a load, etc.





From: René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 3, 2012 3:47:40 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...


No, I didn't. I remember looking at it and wondering what it was, but my 
attention was more focused on the new brown Acorn medium saddlebag you had. 
That's what it was, right? :-)
 
Bags are another love of mine...
 
René


On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Rene -- did you notice the bag on my rack Saturday was a Swift Industries 
pannier in waxed cotton. A great MUSA bag that is my favorite.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:05 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:


The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold one 
and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train pulled into 
the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy, and I tried to 
capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds me of the Anna 
Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the train pulling into 
the train station in the fog while they said good-bye... or something like 
that.
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
 
It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the process 
of 
installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon Dureme 
tires, 
150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front Pass  Stow rack 
(the 
Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack should be arriving any day 
now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle. 

 
I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just 
added a 
new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux light so 
now 
I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.
 
Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on the 
Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although I'm 
getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When it 
gets 
fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you love them 
all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!
 
Happy 2012!!!
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Year morning ride

[Ray Shine]

this is just a test reply.





From: Norman norr...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 1, 2012 6:08:26 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Year morning ride

Oops...Here's the link:  http://flic.kr/s/aHsjxKw9ik

On Jan 1, 9:07 pm, Norman norr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Where I am in New Jersey we don't have high mountains and unspoiled
 rivers.  But it was a relatively balmy 1/1 morning and I set out on my
 1 year old Hillborne to do a one to two hour variation of one of the
 usual rides from my home.  I thought to bring a camera and here are
 the results.  Best wishes to all.
 Norman

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Re: [RBW] Last ride in 2011 and first ride with Ray Shine!

[Ray Shine]

Rene is gracious to a fault, and his company was great!  He's correct about the 
compliments that he received. And I was amazed at the numbers of those 
compliments.  I attribute that to the stunning Atlantis that he rides. To 
borrow 
a  phrase from my boat-building days, Rene really pays keen attention to  
detail, and that makes all the difference.  Virtually everyone who  called out 
a 
compliment was passing the both of us on a racing bike. I  was chagrined 
because my Riv went virtually unnoticed behind Rene's  gorgeous Atlantis. Even 
the sole Riv-rider we came across didn't notice  that I, too, was aboard a Riv 
until I commented on the fact after he had  announced It's nice to see another 
Riv rider out here! That's how  magnetic Rene's build is. Bike lovers can't 
take their eyes off of  it.

After close inspection of Rene's new cockpit set up, we both  started to wonder 
why RBW is apparently putting them on hiatus?  They  are exquisite bars. (Upon 
my return home, I went to RBW site with the  thought that I'd buy a set. Alas! 
Sold out!)  


Good ride, good, company, and great bikes! For me, it was a good end to a 
not-so-good year.




From: jimD rasterd...@comcast.net
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 8:16:38 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Last ride in 2011 and first ride with Ray Shine!



That 18% descent commands attention.

To me it feels like I'm going to drop straight into the ocean - way down below.
My mantra on that road is 'brakes don't fail me now'.

It is one of the few roads that gives me the experience of exposure that is 
common in mountaineering.
A friend with a fear of heights refuses to descend it.

-JimD



On Jan 2, 2012, at 12:02 AM, René Sterental wrote:

After taking some photos of the view of the Golden Gate, the city and the Bay 
at 
the highest vista point, we went down the 18% descent that has seen Ray crash 
twice last year; fist in January when he broke his collarbone and recently when 
he had his rim blow-out. We went cautiosly with cars coming behind us and 
pumping the brakes so the rims wouldn't heat up too much and stopped in the 
middle where more photos were taken. That descent is absolutely breathtaking. 
It's not just the 18% downhill grade, it's the fact that you have the ocean in 
front of you and just a guard-rail between you and the breathtaking view. Just 
awesome

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Re: [RBW] Re: Can I rant just a minute?

[Ray Shine]

Like most on this forum, I agree with all the comments, and applaud Anne for 
spot-on comments. That said, the undeniable fact remains that many more riders 
pass me on CF bikes then I pass on same. 






From: opa...@gmail.com opa...@gmail.com
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Sent: Thu, December 29, 2011 7:19:22 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Can I rant just a minute?

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  Nearly everyday, a coworker, who rides a 
carbon fiber bike, comes in my office, lifts up my Atlantis by the top tube and 
exclaims: My god that's heavy.  I've run out of things to say to him in reply 
so I may forward your post instead.

As a side note, since I've put my massive (his words) 50mm Schwalbe Big 
Apples 
on the Atlantis a few weeks ago, I swear the bike is actually quieter, nearly 
silent.  I never realized how loud tires can be...or maybe I just had some bad 
ones before?

Happy New Year!
Robert Opalko

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Re: [RBW] For reference, the new Sackville darker grid grey color . . .

[Ray Shine]

Beautiful build. Dressed as it is, one can hardly tell it from a Riv frame .





From: Forrest ftme...@me.com
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Sent: Sun, December 18, 2011 6:21:15 AM
Subject: [RBW] For reference, the new Sackville darker grid grey color . . .

 . . . complements titanium nicely.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/6531190595/in/photostream


Most components/accessories on this Salsa La Cruz Ti came from RBW (Jim Thill 
built the wheels, though), which I think shows how two different aesthetic 
styles (and functional types) can blend. That is, if you do think they blend at 
all. Apart from aesthetics, the blend sure works well and feels good while I'm 
riding. Just wanted to show the strong influence of RBW even on my non-Riv bike.

-- Forrest (Iowa City)

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?

[Ray Shine]

My QB is currently set with a 26/34 chain ring comb, and a 16/18 FW.  I do have 
a 22 FW on the flip which I seldom use. My comfortable top speed on flats is 
only 14-16 mph. I live in SF, though, and I climb lots of hills of varying 
degrees of grade. I like the current configuration. 






From: Tim Whalen whalen...@gmail.com
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Sent: Wed, December 14, 2011 8:03:01 AM
Subject: [RBW] Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?

Hi All,


I love my Quickbeam but the combo of living on a hill and having a 
deteriorating 
knee that I want to avoid mashing on is limiting my riding with it.  I now have 
40/30 front and a 17/19 freewheel.  I'd love to get it set up so I could spin 
home uphill and am willing to sacrifice top speed to do so, but also need to 
keep enough top end to ride safely on streets with cars.  I'd also like to 
avoid 
flipping the wheel to get to an even lower outer freewheel.  


So, any thoughts about how I could modify my current gearing to favor easy 
climbing yet still have a bike that was geared high enough to be rideable on 
streets downtown?

Thanks in advance.

Tim 
Still wanting it all in
Colorado Springs


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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam gearing for hills and weak knee?

[Ray Shine]

Actually, you can't have more than an 8 gear tooth difference in chain wheels 
or the movement in the rear slots won't work

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On Dec 14, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 How 'bout a 36-24 combo up front?
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Re: [RBW] New to the group – First Post! Tire Review, Saddle Swap

[Ray Shine]

Hi, Penny! Nice looking bikes!  You really have it set up for hauling stuff.  
Front baskets are so handy.  Enjoy, and welcome.





From: Penny gopennygo.farth...@gmail.com
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Sent: Mon, December 12, 2011 1:22:00 PM
Subject: [RBW] New to the group –  First Post! Tire Review, Saddle Swap

Hello Everyone,

I was incredibly lucky to acquire my first Riv, a 48 Sam Hillborne, a
little over 2 years ago as a birthday gift. It has been many gifts in
one, the greatest of which may be the wind-in-my-face feeling that I
can do anything from the seat of my trusty Sam.

So along with this independence, I've really been racking and bagging
it up. I have a basket zip-tied to a Nitto mini rack on the front; and
a medium Sackville Saddlesack loaded onto the rear (currently
rackless, works fine, but may throw a rack on later, don't know; yes
it sits on the fender a little). Sometimes I slap on the Sackville
panniers, but you gotta have the right kind of wind for those puppies.
In short, I've turned my Hillborne into a cargo ship. Mostly for
groceries or shopping; but if I needed to haul anything else, I’d take
a lot of joy in figuring out how to do that.

I’m totally sold on the Function-as-Beauty thing. I got a custom paint
job, and for the first few months, I threw a fit if someone breathed
on the bike the wrong way; but not anymore, because BTW (though I know
I'm preaching to the choir at least somewhat here), though this bike
rides like butter UNloaded; boy howdy—load 'er up and glide on
home. That smile on your face isn't going to hurt anybody. I don't
know how much grocery weight I've put on the thing, but it doesn't
seem to mind, so I don't really think too much about it. Love that.
http://bit.ly/sqT6he

Last year, I also acquired a 50 Quickbeam, which is an amazing bike.
Anyone on the fence about getting a SimpleOne should consider that
bike more seriously. And not just as a secondary bike, but as your Go-
To, Everyday. I’m not what you’d consider waifishly “fit,” and I lived
in the hilly Blue Ridge (I’ve since moved), where I’d need to conquer
hills to go anywhere—and I totally could on that bike, no big deal—but
with Big Smiles. That’s a great, great bike. I don’t feel limited by
the 1-2 gears; I feel adequately equipped, self-sufficient, competent.
http://bit.ly/vQ2C5x

And now, I’d like to put in a word for Col de la Vies. They don’t seem
to get a ton of praise, but I’ve put maybe 3000 miles on mine with the
Hillborne—road, dirt, gravel, rocky ruts, shallow streams, mud, grass,
and now, over glass. Lots of broken glass, going over this one bridge
near the stadium in Baltimore. These tires have been completely
awesome in my experience. So, just wanted to share.

Finally, Saddle Swap: I have a Brooks Swift (antique brown w/ copper
rivets) in exceptionally good condition, currently on my Quickbeam.
It’s not working out for me on longer rides because I can’t slide it
back as far as I’d like. If any of you has a B.17 in similar condition
and color and is looking for a nice Swift, please contact me off-
list.

Thanks! and again, Hello!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Bleriot.

[Ray Shine]

If you have not already done so, register the serial number with RBW.Just in 
case…





From: Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com
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Sent: Mon, December 12, 2011 7:23:52 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Bleriot.

It might help if you also tell us what size it is, in case someone strips it 
and 
tries to sell the frame only. 

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