[RBW] Are bikes becoming too complicated?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell 
owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling 
and appreciate his thoughts.
Randy in WI

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Sam Hillborne for a 6"4 kind of guy

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I have wondered the ame thing-I am 6’4” with a 95/96 PBH. I have a 62cm 2TT 
Appaloosa that fits very well. I think the 60cm Hillborne would work for me 
with drop bars and am not opposed to some extra seatpost showing, but this 
is just my opinion. I do not think I would go this route with upright/swept 
back handlebars as I think I would feel cramped. I have a Black Mountain 
Cycles monstercross 64cm set up with drops and love this bike, a very good 
non Rivendell option.
Randy in WI

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 2:02:30 AM UTC-5 Dashiell wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am thinking about purchasing a 60cm Sam Hillborne frame that has just 
> popped up here in Australia (they are quite rare to come by over here, 
> especially in my size). I was just wanting to know if people think it might 
> be too small for me. I see it's the largest frame size that this run of Sam 
> Hillborne's come in, but I've also seen that Rivendell have made them in 
> 62cm with the double top tube in the past. I have a PBH of 95cm so I'm 
> equiped with some very long legs. I currently ride an old 1991 Dawes Galaxy 
> with 64cm down tube, and even with that i have like 17cm of seat post 
> exposed. Writing this all down now I'm realising its probably going to be 
> way too small for me, but maybe it would work with a looong seat post?
>
> Thanks for your help!
> Dash

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[RBW] Re: Not that we need a reason.

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Thanks Curtis for the link. This completely mirrors my experience. I had an 
MRI on my left knee in 2009, and was a candidate for a knee replacement in 
the near future. I took up cycling in 2010 after a twenty year hiatus and 
have ridden over 40,000 miles since then. Other than some daily aches and 
pains, my knees are in good shape and no talk of any knee replacement.. My 
weight, cholesterol, heart rate and blood pressure are better than at any 
time in my life. I will be 62 in November. I do believe healthy eating is 
an important part of the overall health equation, and I do walk about 1200 
miles/year. Movement is medicine!
Randy in WI

On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:45:27 AM UTC-5 Curtis wrote:

> I found this interesting.  Please enjoy your day.
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/05/20/1251561467/biking-knee-pain-longevity-arthritis
>
> Peace,  Curtis 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Atlantis 2022 MIT frame + fork/headset/bb $1,250 + shipping

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Hey Jay,
Did you get this sold?
Randy in WI
On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 Jay Bird wrote:

> In good condition and rides great. Has some scratches from normal use (see 
> photos), no dents. 
>
> Bought it late summer of 2022 and ended up riding my Clem L more often, so 
> am just going to stick with that and clear up the garage. 
>
> BB and headset included. $1,250 plus shipping. Located in Tucson, AZ. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

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Beautiful Homer! Very classy, perfect.
Randy in WI

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:48:52 AM UTC-5 Nicholas A wrote:

> [image: IMG_3110.jpg]
>
> A teaser photo of my Homer from La Chouette in Paris... very much a teaser 
> because they wont be shipping it for at least a week!
>
> On Monday 13 May 2024 at 14:09:30 UTC+1 Ryan wrote:
>
>> "Amelia" looks great!
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 7:55:55 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> I'm loving all of these Homer photos. I've owned 5 Riv's and currently 
>>> have 3 in the rotation. The Homer is a favorite for me. I'm already 
>>> planning a change to mine. I'm going to change the shifters from down tube 
>>> to Campy brifters shifting to Shimano 8 speed a-la Ronnie Romance. I'll 
>>> provide updates as I make the change over. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 Dear JT,
 I'll submit my own 57 cm Homer, which was restored and modified by 
 (former?) a list member. I purchased it in 2015 from him shortly after he 
 completed his restoration because he was looking for an Atlantis by then. 
 I 
 fell in love with it then and still think it is my favorite bike.
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

 On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 10:36:15 PM UTC-4 jtlu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I always enjoy seeing pictures of everyone's various Rivendell's, so I 
> figured why not start a photo thread of Homers (since that is my only 
> Riv). 
> I've included a photo from my first ride on my Homer back in 2022 (with 
> Albatross bars) and a photo in its most recent configuration with drop 
> bars. 
>
> [image: Homer 1.jpg][image: Homer 2.jpg]
>


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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug Build Catalog

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One of my favorite sites to check regularly for build ideas and 
inspiration. Love the attention to detail!
Randy in WI

On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 10:05:01 AM UTC-5 Adam Moss wrote:

> Thanks so much for sharing this. Never seen it before but truly inspiring 
> and drool worthy. 
>
> Adam in Berkeley
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 7:27:09 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> Many of you may already be aware of this, but Blue Lug has a nice catalog 
>> of all it's Riv Builds for customers. In the even you want some inspiration 
>> for your next build, or just want to see some different takes on each 
>> frame, have a look:
>>
>> https://bluelug.com/bike-catalog/model/rivendell-bicycle-works/
>>
>> If you click the dropdown in the top right corner and scroll down to the 
>> Riv section you can even filter for specific models. Been super helpful as 
>> I accrue the things needed for my upcoming 56cm 2TT Sam I scored from Abe 
>> on here.
>>
>> Hopefully helpful for folks looking to build out that next frame or 
>> rebuild your old favorite!
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Appaloosa Overnighter

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Very nice ride report and a good looking Appaloosa! I ride my Appaloosa in 
a similar way and love it. How do you like those handlebars?
Randy in WI

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:44:10 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:

> I bought my Appaloosa because I wanted a bike for adventures. I wanted a 
> bike that could take me and my things anywhere, on or off road. A bike that 
> was comfortable enough to ride all day for days.
>
> To that end, one month after my new Appaloosa rolled out of the shop, I 
> departed with a friend on what would be my first ever overnighter!
>
>
> *Disaster strikes*
>
> On the morning of the ride I felt great. I was packed, I’d made it to the 
> 7:28am train, and I was waiting at another station to join my friend on a 
> train that would take us to the end of the line. Looking at my bike, I 
> noticed the seat was a little crooked. I loosened the bolt, straightened 
> the seat, and tightened it. The train arrived, I hopped on, said hi to my 
> friend, and noticed the seat was still moving when I tried to twist it. So 
> I attempted to tighten it some more.
>
>
> **SNAP**
>
>
> The seatpost binder bolt had snapped. I stared in disbelief at the broken 
> bolt in my hands. No!
>
> I recalled reading on the Analog Cycles website that Rivs use a standard 
> bolt for their seatposts, so we spent the remainder of the train ride 
> frantically searching for an open hardware store. Unfortunately, it was the 
> ANZAC Day public holiday and so all shops only opened at 12pm. We were out 
> of luck. Defeated, we resigned to train back to town so I could swap my 
> gear over to my Straggler.
>
> As we neared my front door, my friend had a brainwave. “What if you see if 
> you have the right bolt at home?”. It turns out that I did - on an unused 
> post-to-IS-mount disc brake adapter - and the Riv was on the road again! 
> This time, I made sure to grease the bolt before install, and it tightened 
> smoothly and snugly.
>
>
> *On the Road*
>
> Our destination was a series of seaside holiday towns on the south coast 
> of South Australia’s Fluerieu Peninsula. We started our riding at the end 
> of the train line, in the picturesque wine region of McLaren Vale. After a 
> well-earned coffee, we rode through autumn-hued vineyards before reaching 
> the escarpment - our big climb for the day. I learned that even a 24x36 low 
> gear doesn’t make for an easy climb of 10+% gravel grades, and we enjoyed a 
> walk up the hill in good spirits.
>
>
> Following lunch at the top of the escarpment, we made our way through the 
> rolling landscape of the peninsula, passing through a forest plantation and 
> several conservation parks on the way. After an unexpected creek crossing 
> we ran in to a family of campers, whose comment of ‘I couldn’t imagine two 
> bikes better set up for adventure’ left us in smiles. We even felt good 
> about the next hour or so of alternately walking and riding through the 
> sandy scrubland!
>
>
> Despite the late start, we made it to the coast at the perfect time - just 
> as the sun was setting. I’d planned the last few km to follow the bike path 
> along the coast, and it was sublime.
>
> [image: IMG_1195.jpeg]
>
> [image: E0C3AD72-4167-49D8-95CC-B6678632E349.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_1221.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_1233.jpeg]
>
>
>
> *Day Two*
>
> I’m one of those people that just can’t ride the same way twice on one 
> trip. My rides have to be loops. Our return leg was longer than the first 
> one, eventuating in 90km of riding with some 1,400m of climbing. We set out 
> early took our time, enjoying the expansive vistas from the gravel farm 
> roads, and finding our zone in the long, gradual climbs. Memorable moments 
> include meeting some people hiking the Heysen trail while we had stopped in 
> what we thought was the middle of nowhere to have a snack, and coffee and 
> scones in the cozy, wood-panelled cafe in the tiny town of Inman Valley. 
> After passing through the Myponga reservoir and enjoying a beer and 
> much-needed fries at the adjacent brewery, we made one last climb before 
> descending the escarpment we had climbed the day before.
>
>
> The descent - Old Sellicks Hill Rd - was long, loose and rocky. If I’d 
> been riding it on my Straggler, I’d have been white knuckled the entire way 
> and worn out the time I had reached the end. On the Appaloosa, it was a 
> breeze. I took my time, going neither fast nor slow, and was even able to 
> enjoy the views of rock formations, valley-bottom abandoned cars, 
> spectacular unfolding of the valley and sea along the way. I couldn’t help 
> but smile.
>
>
> The day ended with another sunset ride along the coast, through both 
> singletrack and esplanade shared use path. If we’d ridden a couple of weeks 
> later, it would have been shared use path all the way back to the station, 
> but as the final section hadn’t been opened and we turned on our lights and 
> braved some busy roads in the dark to complete the day’s ride.
>
>
> [image: 

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

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Count me in on the fracas for a green Hunqapillar if it is a 62cm! Always 
thought this would be my dream bike.
Randy in WI

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 5:39:38 PM UTC-5 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Max, 
>
> I will fight you to the death for it.
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2024, at 8:51 AM, Max S  wrote:
>
> This thread really makes me want to find a green Hunqapillar to put that 
> bullmoose bar on... 
>
>
> - Max "and this is how we ended up with so many bikes..." in A2
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2484.jpeg][image: 
>> E3DC21C4-E0AA-43EF-91A3-DF38B9CDA3DD.jpeg][image: 
>> IMG_2597.jpeg]Thanks P.W. - here are three more.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> I like'em and rode them today.
>>> A couple notes:
>>> 1. Integrated stem - less adjustability. Can't play with stem 
>>> (horizontal)length/reach nor rise/drop
>>> 2. Cant slam it completely, if you wanted/needed to, bc of built in rise
>>> 3. No clamp = no slippage there
>>> 4. Sweep angle, reach etc. - to each their own
>>>
>>> I have them all the way up on an old ('84?) StumpJumper and that setup 
>>> handles bad, terrible with a front load, but I blame that on the super 
>>> slack head tube angle.
>>>
>>> Send unwanted bullmoosees to me please :)
>>> Happy to trade for drops or something 
>>>
>>> Next build gets the chocomoose or Bosco moose I forget. 
>>>
>>> -Matthew P
>>> San Diego / Kumeyaay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, 6:25 AM P W  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Love that big boy Appa, Randy.
>>>>
>>>> More photos, please!
>>>>
>>>> P. W.
>>>> ~
>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>> ~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 5:38 AM, larson@gmail.com  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am a fan of the bullmoose bars. On my 62cm Appaloosa I like them when 
>>>> the bike is set up as my ATB with bigger tires and more off road ready. I 
>>>> initially thought they were too stiff as I had some wrist and shoulder 
>>>> pain.Ergon grips solved this issue and I find them comfortable. I do set 
>>>> my 
>>>> bike up with Billie bars during the summer for road/gravel riding, and 
>>>> like 
>>>> them as well. I like the aesthetic of the bullmoose and probably could 
>>>> make 
>>>> them work for all of my riding.
>>>> Randy in WI
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Serious thanks to everyone for the photos & advice! I think I'm going 
>>>>> to go for a set. Seems like looking at the photos it will suit my height, 
>>>>> build, and even my setup on the Atlantis. I set my Cheviot back up with 
>>>>> Albatross bars and while there's nothing wrong with having multiple bikes 
>>>>> with the same bar, variety is just more fun. 
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:14:44 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” 
>>>>>> and i really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was 
>>>>>> good, some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on 
>>>>>> an 
>>>>>> older atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. 
>>>>>> very 
>>>>>> solid bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll 
>>>>>> always have them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> have the tig version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 
>>>>>> philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our green

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

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Great looking Bombadil and Atlantis!
Randy in WI

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 3:04:40 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Just to add more pics to the thread, here is my Bombadill with Bullmoose 
> bars and my Atlantis with the unpopular Bull bar on a faceplater.
>
> I'm 5'11" with long arms and long legs and the Bullmoose feels comfortable 
> for trails and rough stuff - they are super stiff so they inspire 
> confidence. I don't love the Ourys and might swap em for Ergons (thanks for 
> the tip Randy). I also have a set of Ortho Bars that I've considered 
> swapping out for, but that won't happen just yet.
>
> With the Altantis, there's more wiggle room around height and angle, but 
> honestly I set them up very similarly.
>
> Max
>
> [image: IMG_9921.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_9939.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_8554.jpeg]
>
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:21:22 AM UTC-6 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> bullmoose bars certainly look cool and have the extra stiffness that's 
>> often welcomed for trail riding... but as others have mentioned, the 
>> biggest downside is the lack of adjustability. The specifics of the bars 
>> have to pretty much match what is needed for your position on the bike, 
>> give or take the slight height adjustment ability. For example, I recently 
>> acquired a set of Tosco-moose bars from another member here, and I had long 
>> been searching for these for my Gus. The length matched the stem length I'd 
>> been using on my standard Tosco bars and Ron's Ortho bars but I miss just a 
>> slight bit of downward angle adjustment that I had with a standard stem. 
>> It's not enough to make them uncomfortable, but it's something to consider.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

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Luke,
I must have missed the fact that the Atlantis will be available. It was not 
listed on frame schedule. To the OP, I think a Hillborne would be a fine 
road bike if speed is not a priority.
Randy in WI

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:34:54 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> John, brakes are Ultegra. Light action, yet lots of power. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM John Bokman  wrote:
>
>> Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?
>>
>> -John
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004. 
>>>
>>> Epiphany! 
>>>
>>> A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as 
>>> beautiful and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler. 
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
 I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a 
 great pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 
 tires.
 Mike SLO CA
 On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current 
> models (I think those I listed are current ...?)
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> Patrick -
>>
>> You forgot the Ram!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwni
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?
>>>
>>> FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
>>> Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
>>> (Rivendell 
>>> ought to offer it!)
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
>>> road/roady-ish bikes
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology 
 with the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long 
 rides 
 at a comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily 
 to 
 what they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and 
 that 
 means riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can 
 anyone 
 suggest which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and 
 comparing the descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good 
 choice, 
 or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, 
 though I 
 haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini 
 (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big 
 for me. 
 I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
 size. 

 I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
 multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a 
 bike 
 with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer 
 rides. 
 And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I 
 was 
 going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
 there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
 riding?

 I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type 
 of riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.

 Chuck

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Re: [RBW] The Places Our Bikes Take Us

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idge. This will be an exciting 
>>>>>> memory I told myself. I was very cautious in walking my Clem over and 
>>>>>> onto 
>>>>>> each railroad tie to reach the other side.  I paused occasionally to 
>>>>>> take 
>>>>>> pictures, holding my cellphone very carefully not to drop it down 
>>>>>> through 
>>>>>> the cracks of the railroad ties into the river. Each time after taking a 
>>>>>> picture, I would carefully place my phone back into my vest pocket and 
>>>>>> zip 
>>>>>> it up not to lose it. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About half way, I scared an adult blue heron into flight swooping out 
>>>>>> over my head, as he called out. After that, I decided to take a 180 
>>>>>> degree 
>>>>>> video with great care. I proceeded on and make it to the other side into 
>>>>>> the next county. From there, my eyes noticed that the railroad rails and 
>>>>>> ties continued on through the forest. I paused and took more pictures 
>>>>>> looking back and the river below me. The sun was slowly going down 
>>>>>> behind 
>>>>>> the trees. It was most definitely time to head back in this late 
>>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I made it safely back across the railroad bridge. It was a long walk 
>>>>>> back to the spot, where I had came up from that steep embankment down to 
>>>>>> the trail, where I could ride my Clem back home. At some point, whilst I 
>>>>>> was walking, I almost twisted my left angle under soft soil. Thank 
>>>>>> goodness 
>>>>>> that I did not. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I made it home safe and happy in going out on my personal adventure 
>>>>>> in the sunny fall weather. Soon after arriving home, I very quickly, I 
>>>>>> felt 
>>>>>> my hips and muscles hurting from my journey. I took some acetaminophen 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> help reduce the pain.  I am not as young as I used to be. However, my 
>>>>>> heart 
>>>>>> remains younger than my body in riding my bicycle and going on 
>>>>>> adventures. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .[image: thumbnail_20231030_160518_HDR.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:34:12 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Richard,
>>>>>>> That Potawatomi MTB trail in Pinkney, Michigan looks pretty gnarly. 
>>>>>>> I am glad that tried out your Gus on that trail as an introduction to 
>>>>>>> mountain biking.  I'm looking forward to your upcoming upgrades to your 
>>>>>>> Gus 
>>>>>>> and ride reports, as well. 
>>>>>>> I went out on a fairly long bike ride today. It was mostly pavement 
>>>>>>> on a bike/pedestrian trail near my home. Towards the end, I decided to 
>>>>>>> venture off road along a very long stretch of newly pulled RR rails 
>>>>>>> with RR 
>>>>>>> ties left from the excavation to see how far down the hired company 
>>>>>>> pulled 
>>>>>>> the ties. I decided to go all the way to the RR bridge that goes over 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> Nisqually River perhaps another time.  The future plan is in the making 
>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>> extending the bicycle/pedestrian trail over the river into a town 
>>>>>>> called 
>>>>>>> Roy. This is apart of a greater plan to connect to other trails in the 
>>>>>>> next 
>>>>>>> county. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next phase will be for the city to hire a company to clean up 
>>>>>>> the RR ties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had fun going off road with my Clem. It is more adventurous and 
>>>>>>> handles very well. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: 20231026_143115_HDR.jpg][image: 20231026_143133_HDR.jpg]
>>>>>&

Re: [RBW] WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

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Thank you! I have not used eBay and forget to check the site when 
searching. 
Randy in WI
On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 9:44:31 AM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Randy, 
>
> here's a 62: 
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/325884390348?hash=item4be0392bcc:g:Q2oAAOSwCL5lUTF6=enc%3AAQAI4H69YbSU4wdcBp8KdxyP%2BwmhbUXBxhVRtjp%2Bf0oZhmcK3Mnwdg4Vm%2FH6a0IHACApzgCBMcFgllJ0aDC8bXlgZGU7cK4pxRQaI1Gvwp43cWvE3eH2Rca4T%2BhXz%2BHsufFfGgnAujv1dA9WYB88iVQoZaZbqbS4GyrFWm%2BmfAiMUQms1pRuhoCguqvG9JSWboQgG%2FhYVpJN%2BzUx8ZBOcUlG1qL10xFVx8cUKJWq7aANfTKn9nN5IFr7REkEnO2Z9UGvba7prEhyJccs0UvDvxstj6uYukb9h3mqK0Kvz47t90yj%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7rm0LH8Yg
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 5:43:48 PM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bump.
>> Giving this another try.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:40:06 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to mention the same thing!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:50:36 AM UTC-5 Brendan Willard in SF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The rear derailleur on that eBay Lantis is not long for this world! 
>>>>  Yikes!
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ebay.com <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307>
>>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307> 
>>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:52 PM, larson@gmail.com  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and touring. 
>>>>> I have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Randy in WI
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

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Bump.
Giving this another try.
Randy in WI

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:40:06 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I was going to mention the same thing!
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:50:36 AM UTC-5 Brendan Willard in SF 
> wrote:
>
>> The rear derailleur on that eBay Lantis is not long for this world! 
>>  Yikes!
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> ebay.com <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307>
>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307> 
>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:52 PM, larson@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and touring. I 
>>> have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Randy in WI
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

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Spectacular Fall scenery, Eric.
Randy in WI (where falling snow mixed with falling leaves today)

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:49:39 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here are a few from my ride yesterday :o) 
>
> [image: 231028 Ride 09 Estes.jpg]
> [image: 231028 Ride 04 Estes.jpg]
>
> [image: 231028 Ride 10 Woodward.jpg]
>
>
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[RBW] Re: The Places Our Bikes Take Us

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Hey John,
Thanks for the contribution! I always enjoy seeing the places you ride and 
reading your ride reports. My most meaningful places are close to home and 
frequently visited as well. I do hope to ride my Rivendell in many more 
places in the future.
Randy in WI

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Neat thread, Larson! My Hunq has been all over the world and my Atlantis 
> has recently joined the fun. There are so many wonderful places these bikes 
> have taken me that it's very difficult to choose. However, I'll share a 
> local one that my bicycles take me almost every day, and one recent one 
> from a little further afield. 
>
> At one of my favorite swimming holes on the Slocan River:
> [image: IMG_1396 (1).jpeg]
>
>
> On the White Rim trail in the Canyonlands:
> [image: IMG_0954.jpeg]
> Cheers, John
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 7:50:39 AM UTC-7 josh.yo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Marc-
>>
>> I love how you are tracking your riding on the map. So fun!
>>
>> Josh 
>> BI, WA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Places Our Bikes Take Us

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Hey Brian, 
Beautiful Atlantis. I love this story and think that often the places most 
special to us are those that are not exotic or remote or spectacular, but 
places of quiet that we return to often for the reasons you eloquently 
described. Thank you for contributing this.
Randy in WI

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 9:59:15 AM UTC-5 josh.yo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Brian-
>
> The way you describe it makes it sound like an extraordinary place to me! 
> Beautiful Atlantis as well.
>
> Josh
> Bainbridge Island, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

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Takashi,
Thank you for the compliment. Yes, the Appaloosa was perfect for the 
terrain. Keep posting pictures of your part of the world, much more 
beautiful than I knew! Hope you have great Fall color.
Randy in WI

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 10:01:16 AM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:

> Randy's Michigan photos are just stunning. Appaloosa must have been a 
> perfect bike for such terrain.
>
> Eric's and John's photos are also gorgeous. Makes me want to go there, 
> sit, and enjoy the view for an hour or so.
>
> Here are couple of photos from today's ride.
> Leaves are starting to change, and they'll be more colorful in a week, I 
> expect.
> [image: DSC03366.jpg]
>
> Looked like leaves were in full colors in the mountains.
> [image: DSC03387.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
>
> 2023年10月21日土曜日 12:13:52 UTC+9 Keith P.:
>
>> Love it. 
>> Thanks John.
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>> One from today on my way home from Nelson, BC:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:08 PM UTC-7 P W wrote:
>>
>>> So good!
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:20 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> <231015 Ride 03.jpg>
>>> One from this evening!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 9:46:14 AM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>
 Croatia is in the Northern Hemisphere… This was taken earlier today on 
 the island of Hvar, looking north to the island of Brač. Looking forward 
 to 
 some riding on Korčula tomorrow. Incredible terrain, fantastic weather, 
 indulgent food, and the company of my delightful wife.

 The generic Trek rental bike in the photo works just fine, and is a 
 good reminder to me that while it’s fun to geek out over gear, in the end 
 it’s all about just getting out there and riding.

 Jay Lonner
 Bellingham, WA

 [image: image0.jpeg]

 Sent from my Atari 400

 On Oct 10, 2023, at 5:40 PM, Frank Burkybile  
 wrote:

 

 Just finished a week of riding 460-ish miles through North Carolina as 
 part of the CycleNC Mountains to Coast ride. Great ride and great weather. 
 I was the only Rivendell rider out of the 900 or so participants and got a 
 lot of questions and comments on the bike. I rode my early Sam Hillborne 
 in 
 green and gold. It was the perfect choice for this type of riding. I 
 didn't 
 get that many pictures of the bike but I included a few here of your 
 review. Happy Fall everyone!
 -Frank


 
 
 
 
 

 



 On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 10:02:15 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
 wrote:

> Here are a few from last week in Leverett MA. I really need to find a 
> good point-and-shoot camera, I've found the iPhone can't do things 
> justice.
>
> [image: Gate.png]
> [image: Bigfoot.png][image: Moonshiner.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 7:50:00 AM UTC-4 allan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great pictures, everyone, thank you!
>>
>> My wife and I took our last ride of the season on Mt Desert Island 
>> yesterday. This is looking south over Eagle Lake towards Pemetic, the 
>> Bubbles, and Sargent mountains.The leaves seem a bit drab this fall but 
>> the 
>> riding on the carriage roads never disappoints. Bikes are a Roscoe Platy 
>> and an Yves Gomez.
>>
>> Allan, on the road back to Marlboro, Vt
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:34:53 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Carrying on with Ted's seasonal riding photos threads, it's now fall.
>>>
>>> Around here the leaves are starting to change, but today was 
>>> summer-like in temperature; a beautiful day for a mostly roadish ride 
>>> on a 
>>> singlespeed.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20231005_165659199-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20231005_171538228-1800sm.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20231005_171618980_volpe-bog-1800sm.jpg]
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing where you all are riding this season.
>>>
>>> -Dave (near Boston)
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

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I have two bikes with Paul levers and love them. I upgraded my Black 
Mountain Cycles monstercross with Paul Neo Retro cantis and really like 
them and a significant improvement over the Tektros that I originally had 
on the bike.
Randy in WI

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

> This is really old thread but I’ll chime in. 
>
> I found an NOS Saluki recently with PAUL center pulls. The bike, once I 
> applied a couple of component swaps, is beautiful. Very…uh…svelte, for want 
> of a better word. But those PAUL brakes just did not fit…to my eye anyway. 
> Too much industrial muscle and kind of stiff. I found some good old 
> Weinmann centerpulls, long reach—they fit the the theme perfectly and stop 
> surprisingly well. I sold the PAULS and put a wad of  in my pocket. YRMV, 
> but I’m happy. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Bill Fulford  
> wrote:
>
>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>> love levers. Are they worth it? 
>
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Re: [RBW] Are Paul brakes worth the money?

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I go back and forth on buying Motolites to replace my Shimano V brakes. I 
love the look and know that the Paul's work great, but the Shimano brakes 
really work well. I have had to stop in an emergency and could lock up the 
rear wheel on dry pavement, and rode in bad conditions (rain, mud and grit) 
on a northern forest road recently and had no problems. Ultimately, the 
frugal Scandinavian/Midwest farmer in me has won out and I have resisted 
the urge (so far).
Randy in WI

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Agreed James, I do NOT think Motolites and Shimano have the same 
> performance. But salmon pads are a hassle, I use these "ebike pads" I got 
> from Riv. 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20231007_114030.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:03:12 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Are Paul brakes worth the money? - in a word YES!
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>>
>> After some wear, brake pads need to be re-toed in, because they will wear 
>> flat to the rim surface.  I suspect that will solve your problems.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 9:04 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>>> I would enjoy hearing the feedback from those folks, who have used 
>>> Yokozuna brake pads verses Salmon Koolstop pads. Are they any better ? or ?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:45:43 AM UTC-7 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>>
 Bill, 

 Salmon Koolstop pads stop well, but can be noisy, especially if they 
 hit the rim flat or slightly toed out. It is possible/probable that after 
 5 
 months the pads have worn enough to change the way they hit the rim, and 
 need to be adjusted a bit to be slightly toe-in. 

 Julia Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 

 On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> The brakes are cantilever with salmon pads. I assume that the are 
> properly mounted. The squawking began after about five months of riding. 
> In 
> the beginning there was no noise.
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:50:09 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> That noise is typical of a he salmon pads that ship on Paul brakes. 
>> salmon pads stop really well but I’ve had several pair on different 
>> bikes 
>> and different brake styles and after a bit they all started to make 
>> noise 
>> no matter how I adjusted them. I’ve also found that Paul Motolites in 
>> particular do not like having racks mounted to them. This made any 
>> existing 
>> brake noise multiples worse I assume due to the two sides being more 
>> rigid 
>> mounted together allowing for different resonance to occur and generate 
>> more noise. This was particularly apparent on my Gus I assume due to its 
>> unique front end geometry.
>>
>> My opinion on the Paul Motolites is mixed. On the one hand, they’re 
>> beautiful and the quick release mechanism is nice compared to typical 
>> v-brakes with the noodle holding it all together. The adjustment 
>> mechanism 
>> is also a work of arm and does make adjusting for different when sizes a 
>> bit nicer. However, I’m not sure they’re worth the money purely on the 
>> basis of function. To me they’re like a designer handbag. They make a 
>> nice 
>> accessory when paired with other nice accessories and a good outfit they 
>> can be stunning. But at the end of the day, a $5 handbag holds stuff as 
>> well as a $300 handbag. My $30 Shimano Alivio v-brakes stop my Appaloosa 
>> just as well as the $300 Motolites on my Gus. But my Gus is my pretty 
>> show 
>> bike that I take out on the town on a Sunny Saturday to get things at 
>> the 
>> farmer’s market. My Appaloosa is my daily driver. I lock it up outside 
>> of 
>> stores and restaurants and ride it, rain or shine, to work 5 days a 
>> week. 
>> It’s still a nice bike but the parts on it are more utilitarian in 
>> nature. 
>> The frame is the flashiest piece of kit on the whole bike and I like it 
>> that way.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 10:24 PM Julian Westerhout  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, 
>>>
>>> Which brakes are they?  Which pads are you using? Are they properly 
>>> slightly toed in? 
>>>
>>> Photos would help in making a diagnosis -- but I doubt the squawking 
>>> is due to the brakes themselves -- more likely to be pad type and/or 
>>> setup. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>>
 I bought Paul brakes for my Atlantis and initially loved them. Now, 
 however, they squawk like a stuck goose. I’ve cleaned the rims, sanded 
 the 
 pads but with no success. They were installed by a bike shop so I 
 don’t 
 think 

Re: [RBW] Summer Riding in Alberta

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Very nice! The simple and enjoyable act of riding a bicycle is captured 
very well. Not all rides need to be epic with awesome mountain scenery.
Randy in WI

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:21:10 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mack,   Nicely done!  Really enjoyable to watch and listen.  (no music, 
> yay!)

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Re: [RBW] Ride (Push) Report: A Tour of Three Valleys

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Great trip in some beautiful country! Thank you for taking us along with 
your report.
Randy in WI

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:36:09 PM UTC-5 Dustin wrote:

> Always look forward to your ride reports. I laughed out loud at “bowling 
> balls, baby heads, and baseballs”.  Well chosen universal standards. 
>
> Dustin in VA
>
> On Jul 30, 2023, at 12:08 AM, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> A five-hour push up a steep, rock-strewn track isn't necessarily what I 
> look for as I pour over topo maps looking for places to explore in my neck 
> of the woods, but such surprises come with the territory out here in 
> British Columbia when one wants to strike out into the wilderness and 
> traverse from one valley to the next. This was the plan: to ride from home 
> and up the Slocan River valley, cross over into the Columbia River valley, 
> then cross over again into the Granby River valley, and then loop back 
> crossing back through each valley until we end up home again. Lots of up. 
> Lots of down. And, lots of water!
>
> <20230711_100624.jpeg>
>
>
> Like many places this summer, the interior rainforest of BC is way too hot 
> to ride or push bikes up sharp slopes even with the promise of icy creeks 
> and clear rivers in which to cool off. But, a couple of weeks ago, a friend 
> and I climbed through a window of fresh, rainy weather to explore the 
> Valkyr and Monashee ranges on our way across three valleys.
>
> 
>
>
> I love a tour that begins in my front yard. No cars, no hassle, and 
> because I live on the mountain, the first 5 km is all downhill. Of course, 
> at the end of the adventure that last 5 km can be a tough one.
>
> Craig and I met at the trailhead of Slocan Valley Rail Trail which follows 
> the Slocan River for about 50km (You've seen photos of my favorite swimming 
> holes many times before) and, fully loaded for a self-supported adventure 
> in the mountains, set off on a 6-day trip of pedaling, pushing, swimming 
> and fly-fishing. Spotting grizzlies was also a top priority.
>
> 
>
>
> Craig is a great guy to cycle with because our rides are never about 
> distances covered but about the experiences and enjoyment within each 
> kilometer. He's super-mellow, a fine camp cook, and knows well where the 
> trout like to spend their days. We enjoy a lot of time off the bikes 
> checking out the forests, the rocks (Craig's a geologist), and the rivers- 
> all part of the scenery through which we like to travel.
>
> 
>
>
> Much of our riding took us over remote forest roads where we scarcely 
> encountered another vehicle. We spent time on old rail trails, the longest 
> being the historic Columbia-Western from Grand Forks to Castlegar. This 
> 100+ km section includes some very dramatic trestles high above the Arrow 
> Lakes and several tunnels. The longest of these curves through the mountain 
> for about a kilometer and leaves one riding in cold, eerie darkness for a 
> spell. We rode through the remnants of the Octopus Creek fire from 2021 
> which burned more than 18,000 hectares of BC forest. It's both a sobering 
> reminder of how tenuous our place in the forest here is, and also how 
> resilient life adapted to this environment can be. Everywhere there was new 
> growth, wildflowers, and even many live, healthy trees standing just meters 
> away from the burnt-out shells of fir and ponderosa pine.
>
> 
>
>
> There was, of course, the slog up Canyon Creek road which took us out of 
> the Slocan Valley and into the Columbia River valley. At an average grade 
> of 12% up a track cut for powerline maintenance, this surface was mostly 
> loose, rounded rock the size of bowling balls, baby heads, and baseballs 
> and required great effort not only to keep our bikes upright but also our 
> feet firmly planted on the ground. Even when the slope exceeded 20%, any 
> patch of packed dirt to roll over seemed a respite from the rocks that 
> fought back against our efforts to roll our loaded bikes uphill. 
> Thankfully, the sun stayed hidden behind thick cloud cover and the higher 
> we pushed the more we found ourselves surrounded in cool mist. Cresting the 
> Valkyre after five hours, we were met with an increasingly rideable forest 
> road that shot us down toward the lower Arrow Lakes.
>
> 
>
>
> The absolute best thing about biking around the mountains of BC is that 
> cool, fresh water is never far away with snow still melting off the peaks 
> in mid-July. And so even when the clouds abated revealing a fierce sun, a 
> refreshing dip in a creek, river or lake was often just around the next 
> bend or at the bottom of the next hill. When we rode over the Monashees and 
> into the Granby River Valley, we followed Burrell Creek until it joined the 
> Granby, ever vigilant for swimming holes and eddies of trout.
>
> 
>
>
> This ride is about a 350km circuit and 6 days was a very comfortable pace 
> in which to complete it. The big push over Canyon Creek ups the challenge 
> level, but mostly it was 

[RBW] Re: Wanted post worries

[larson....@gmail.com]

I had similar responses to my post. Eduardo wanted to sell me an Atlantis 
MIT frameset for $600.
Randy in WI

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:58:44 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> It's good to be careful. It's a weird world these days. 
>
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:50:16 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Greetings all, 
>>
>> I posted a want ad yesterday for an Albastache bar and got a couple 
>> responses from people I’ve never seen here before. I do know there are 
>> lurkers on the list so if Denise and Eduardo Garcia are members here please 
>> follow up with more info. 
>> It’s a shame we have to worry about scammers all the time now and my 
>> apologies if I am wrong. 
>>
>> Liz in Sacramento 
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

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I was going to mention the same thing!

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:50:36 AM UTC-5 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> The rear derailleur on that eBay Lantis is not long for this world!  Yikes!
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> ebay.com <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307>
>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307> 
>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:52 PM, larson@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and touring. I 
>> have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>> Thank you,
>> Randy in WI
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

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Thanks Luke! Your Atlantis is part of the inspiration for this idea.
Randy in WI

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 5:53:53 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: R0004684.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:53:05 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I have the current MIT and I have Conti Mountain Kings which are a plump 
>> 2.3”
>>
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:26:51 PM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have the previous version of the Appaloosa, which clearance in reality 
>>> is about 700x50. I tried 2.1” WTB Nano on Cliffhanger rims and wore some 
>>> paint off the chainstay in moderately muddy conditions. I would like to run 
>>> a 2.2/2.3” tire with decent clearance-maybe the Atlantis is not the right 
>>> choice? I thought 2.3” worked on Atlantis. The 62cm Appaloosa fits me 
>>> perfectly and I love the way it rides (tire clearance being the only 
>>> concern).
>>> Thank you for the input.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:17:34 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not to complicate anything, but basis 2023 specs, the MIT Atlantis 
>>>> seems to take the same maximum ~55m tire size. The current spec sheet says 
>>>> the Appaloosa tops out at 60cm; the Atlantis 62cm, so maybe the frame size 
>>>> of your Appaloosa is the issue? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometry_Table_-_May_2023.pdf?v=1687890742
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 9:52:39 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and touring. 
>>>>> I have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Randy in WI
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

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I have the previous version of the Appaloosa, which clearance in reality is 
about 700x50. I tried 2.1” WTB Nano on Cliffhanger rims and wore some paint 
off the chainstay in moderately muddy conditions. I would like to run a 
2.2/2.3” tire with decent clearance-maybe the Atlantis is not the right 
choice? I thought 2.3” worked on Atlantis. The 62cm Appaloosa fits me 
perfectly and I love the way it rides (tire clearance being the only 
concern).
Thank you for the input.
Randy in WI

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:17:34 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Not to complicate anything, but basis 2023 specs, the MIT Atlantis seems 
> to take the same maximum ~55m tire size. The current spec sheet says the 
> Appaloosa tops out at 60cm; the Atlantis 62cm, so maybe the frame size of 
> your Appaloosa is the issue? 
>
>
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometry_Table_-_May_2023.pdf?v=1687890742
>  
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 9:52:39 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and touring. I 
>> have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>> Thank you,
>> Randy in WI
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

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Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and touring. I 
have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
Thank you,
Randy in WI

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using an Appaloosa as a mostly-road bike?

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I’ll give you my two cents. I ride a previous generation 62cm 2TT Appaloosa 
set up with Billie bars and a 64cm Black Mountain Cycles monstercross bike 
with drop bars. I ride pavement, gravel and dirt roads which can be steep 
and rutted, but mostly in good shape. I really like the Appaloosa as an all 
arounder and could see it being set up with drop bars-it is smooth and 
comfortable and very stable. I do not think it would feel like a road bike 
in any set up because of the long chain stays, and it is a heavy bike 
(although it rides lighter than it feels). Both bikes are set up with 
700x47 tires and by comparison my Black Mountain Cycles feels much quicker 
in handling, yet still stable enough to handle any rough gravel road. I 
think you might find the Appaloosa too much bike, and to me seems more like 
a mixed terrain touring bike. As far as Rivendells, I would think a Sam 
Hillborne would be a better drop bar choice for your needs with shorter 
chai stays, slightly quicker handling and the ability to run a good sized 
tire. I would like a Hillborne to complement my Appaloosa, but my BMC works 
so well that I can’t really justify it. Maybe someone will give you some 
thoughts on a Roadini for your purposes.
Randy in Wisconsin

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 9:36:33 AM UTC-5 reynoldslugs wrote:

> Hi all, can’t remember the last time I posted.   Long-time Rivendell 
> rider, since 1998 or so; my current stable includes Atlantis, Legolas, 
> Custom, Rambouillet, Heron Road, maybe one or two others (I gave my 
> Quickbeam to a friend when my knees got to creaky for fixed gear riding).
>
> My current curiosity/notion/interest is whether I should add an Appaloosa 
> to the flock.  If any of you ride one as a mostly-road, perhaps drop-bar 
> bike, I would be grateful for your impressions, feedback.  
>
> I do a fair amount of road + steep gravel rides - - if you are familiar 
> with Sonoma County, that means Coleman Valley + Willow Creek, and Sonoma 
> Mountain Road + Bald Mountain.  I’m interested in a bike that does well on 
> pavement and rides well on steep, rutted, dirt and gravel roads.
>
> Grateful for any opinions and feedback, thanks.
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
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[RBW] Re: Ride(s) Report: Sky Islands East and White Rim Canyonlands

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Thank you for the report and pictures. I love seeing Rivendells in places 
that are usually mountain bike territory or bikepacking rigs. What tires 
were you running?
Randy in WI

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 12:03:12 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> April in the Kootenays (BC)  is a good month to throw camping gear in the 
> van, load up the bike rack, and head south to warmer, drier climes. The ski 
> hill is closed and my driveway turns to muck, so a few weeks away keeps me 
> from pining for the slopes and allows the road up my mountain to solidify. 
>
> [image: IMG_0719.jpeg]
>
> My goal this Spring was to tour some of the fine national parks in Utah 
> and Arizona as I headed for my Dad's place in the shadow of the 
> Superstition Mountains near Phoenix. I also planned to do a few days on the 
> East loop of the Sky Islands near Patagonia, AZ, and to ride some of the 
> trails near Moab and the Canyonlands.
>
> [image: IMG_0756.jpeg]
>
> The Canyonlands, Capitol Reef, Bryce, Zion, and the most magnanimous abyss 
> of them all, the Grand Canyon are simply stunning this time of year. Cold 
> nights for camping and warm days for hiking/biking really make these desert 
> environments a beautiful, welcoming place.
>
> [image: IMG_0300.jpeg]
>
> The Sky Islands East Loop 
>  winds its 
> way through the Santa Rita mountains on beautiful gravel roads in 
> high-elevation grasslands. There are some rough sections, but for the most 
> part, one can amble along enjoying the constant twitter and song from the 
> many bird species endemic to this area. In addition, I came across 
> pronghorn antelope, white-tail deer, javelinas, and coyotes as I wandered 
> these open grasslands. I rode a shorter version of the loop, dropping off 
> the main route before Kentucky Camp on a ridge that took me into Hog 
> Canyon. The 3 days I rode certainly stoked my desire to return and. 
> complete the entire Sky Islands route.
>
> [image: IMG_0835.jpeg]
>
> On my way back home I spent a few days riding in and around the 
> Canyonlands. While not as deep as the Grand Canyon, dropping off the rim of 
> the Island in the Sky definitely filled me with similar awe as hiking off 
> the south rim along the Bright Angel trail. A crucial difference is that 
> bikes are not allowed below the rim of the Grand Canyon, but in the 
> Canyonlands, you can ride the Shafer road that drops 400m in a few 
> kilometers to the White Rim trail. This is a spectacular ride down steep 
> switchbacks among towering, canyon walls and huge, natural amphitheaters 
> carved by the wind. The White Rim trail is equally dramatic with great 
> drop-offs and stunning views of the Colorado River as it carves its way 
> through these sandstone canyons. 
>
> [image: IMG_0323.jpeg]
>
> As is usually the case, my Atlantis with swoopy bars and a basket on these 
> trails tends to raise some eyebrows among the many cyclists kitted out with 
> full-suspension bikes, but on the Atlantis, I rambled over these roads and 
> trails comfortably and joyfully. During one conversation with an 
> incredulous mountain biker, I remembered that the tires on my Atlantis were 
> once the fattest mountain bike tires one could find, and they ride just as 
> well today as they did 30 years ago. 
>
> [image: IMG_0954.jpeg]
>
> Here are a couple of GaiaGPS links to my rides in the Sky Islands 
>  and the 
> Canyonlands .
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Long ride on a Sam Hillborne

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Well done! I think anyone would be proud of riding 73 miles.
Randy in Wisconsin
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:34:40 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congrats, Paul, that's a nice ride! 
>
> Thanks for the pics!
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 8:25:29 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This picture gives some perspective on the fantastic Elephant mural.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

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Takashi,
I’m sorry that I didn’t catch ‘spellcheck’ screwing up your name in my 
previous post. My apologies, and thanks again for the pictures of your part 
of the world.
Randy in WI

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Takeshita,
> Really enjoy your pictures-beautiful landscapes in a part of the world I 
> am not familiar with and a good looking Hunqapillar. We had 6” or so of 
> snow today, so Appaloosa back inside for now. Keep posting those pictures!
> Randy in WI
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:13:50 PM UTC-6 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Ted, I bet it's also beautiful there when leaves are green. Or in autumn.
>>
>> Steve, looking at your photo it must have been a very nice day to ride, 
>> but yes, I'd like to see how it's like when there is snow. Please keep 
>> posting!
>>
>> Randy, that photo looks like milder climate compared to your first photo 
>> in this thread. Great that you had a chance to ride your cool Appaloosa.
>>
>>
>> Here are some photos from last Saturday's ride:
>> [image: DSC02789.jpg]
>>
>> [image: DSC02817.jpg]
>>
>> I rode at foothill of Mt. Ontake and visited Fueki-no-taki (Fueki 
>> Waterfall).
>> The waterfall is approachable only on foot, so no photo of the waterfall 
>> and bike together.
>>
>> [image: DSC02808.jpg]
>>
>> [image: DSC02802.jpg]
>>
>> Water freezes and forms giant icicles.
>> In the photo above you can see another visitor wearing a green jacket, so 
>> you can see sizes of icicles.
>> You can go behind the fall, and it's like this:
>> [image: DSC02814.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

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Takeshita,
Really enjoy your pictures-beautiful landscapes in a part of the world I am 
not familiar with and a good looking Hunqapillar. We had 6” or so of snow 
today, so Appaloosa back inside for now. Keep posting those pictures!
Randy in WI

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:13:50 PM UTC-6 Takashi wrote:

> Ted, I bet it's also beautiful there when leaves are green. Or in autumn.
>
> Steve, looking at your photo it must have been a very nice day to ride, 
> but yes, I'd like to see how it's like when there is snow. Please keep 
> posting!
>
> Randy, that photo looks like milder climate compared to your first photo 
> in this thread. Great that you had a chance to ride your cool Appaloosa.
>
>
> Here are some photos from last Saturday's ride:
> [image: DSC02789.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC02817.jpg]
>
> I rode at foothill of Mt. Ontake and visited Fueki-no-taki (Fueki 
> Waterfall).
> The waterfall is approachable only on foot, so no photo of the waterfall 
> and bike together.
>
> [image: DSC02808.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC02802.jpg]
>
> Water freezes and forms giant icicles.
> In the photo above you can see another visitor wearing a green jacket, so 
> you can see sizes of icicles.
> You can go behind the fall, and it's like this:
> [image: DSC02814.jpg]
>
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

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Great ride report and some beautiful country! These challenges and 
hardships make for memorable trips and a sense of adventure. Great work!
Randy in Wisconsin

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:56:09 AM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> Eric - You mentioned 26lbs of gear, I'm curious how much of that weight 
> you had up front in the Chest and if there was any noticeable impact on 
> handling?
>
> Thanks,
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 11:47:57 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>> Such a well crafted ride report! Thanks for the pictures, they're great. 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>>>
>>> 14-15 November 2022
>>> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>>>
>>> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>>>
>>> This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight trips 
>>> by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked a 
>>> primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
>>> loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
>>> night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
>>> to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
>>> out. 
>>>
>>> Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
>>> well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow 
>>> were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad 
>>> weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
>>> would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
>>> late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
>>> check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
>>> shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the 
>>> wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
>>> way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 
>>>
>>> [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]
>>>
>>> The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside with 
>>> cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown vestiges 
>>> of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and well-maintained 
>>> gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of small beautiful 
>>> farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road continued on in a 
>>> way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, over corn and soy 
>>> fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for hay. 
>>>
>>> Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
>>> rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
>>> stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
>>> had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
>>> a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store with 
>>> a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. Bulk 
>>> candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins 
>>> full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local 
>>> favorite, the Black Twig and we got four apples for $2. They were 
>>> fantastically good. 
>>>
>>> [image: 03 Road SM.jpg]
>>>
>>> We enjoyed some more lovely country riding before starting on a long 
>>> climb that took our elevation from 600 feet to 3,500 feet over 18 miles 
>>> without interruption. 
>>>
>>> The way up is via a wooded fire and maintenance road that is at times 
>>> quite rocky but easily passible by bike… if your legs are up for it. You 
>>> would need a serious 4x4 vehicle with clearance to make it up these roads 
>>> and the few campers and people out fishing were in one-ton trucks. There 
>>> are a few steep, rocky, loose descents on the way up, short reprieves from 
>>> long and steady climbing. According to my GPS we climbed for three hours. 
>>> We took one snack break early on and had a few quick stops but for the most 
>>> part we were grinding away. Paul longed for a bag of potato chips, craving 
>>> salt and tired of all the chewing required of his nutty trail mix. 
>>>
>>> I don’t have many pictures from this section as I was very focussed on 
>>> trying to make it to the cabin before dark. The early sunset and our vital 
>>> camp chores were top of mind. Once we arrived we needed to gather firewood 
>>> and water. Without electricity or plumbing we were reliant on the woodstove 
>>> for heat and the spring for hydration. Stumbling around in steep and 
>>> unfamiliar terrain searching for wood and water was something I hoped to 
>>> avoid. 
>>>
>>> As we were passing a gate with signs that announced bicycles were 
>>> prohibited we encountered a traveller on a flat bar mountain bike with 
>>> disks. We had a short chat 

[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

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I think the Appaloosa and Atlantis are similar in weight. I’m not a weight 
weenie and I don’t race, so I agree that weight is relative. I’m about 200 
pounds so a couple extra pounds of bike weight is irrelative. I did find 
that I climbed better after I lost 20 pounds!
Randy in Wisconsin

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:02:08 PM UTC-6 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Joe
>
> What is the Seat Tube Angle of your custom??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:41:41 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted to 
>> post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these frames is 
>> slightly under discussed..like we all know it and love it, then talk about 
>> other stuff like paint and parts. My comments are specifically about my 
>> custom but I've owned a bunch of Rivs and they all ride like this (Clem 
>> maybe not so light-feeling, but still zippy). Add your thoughts about your 
>> bikes! :
>>
>> The handling is amazing. It feels light and zippy, yet absorbs shock 
>> (there's a lot of shock on these roads) and is very stable. When you put it 
>> in a turn it goes where you point it and holds the line until you change 
>> it. It does this when getting bumped offline, too..the darn thing pops 
>> right back to where it was going! I've ridden a bazillion bikes and nothing 
>> rides like a Rivendell 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Ride

[larson....@gmail.com]

Scott,
I have never ridden an Atlantis, but would love to, and believe that you 
will love it. Looking forward to hearing your impressions going forward.
Randy

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:41:14 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:

> Randy,
>
> I'm curious, too, to get the group's take on your question as to weight 
> vs. ride quality, as I'm currently building a new 62 Atlantis F/F. I'm 
> wanting to do some dirt touring and bike packing on it. Hope I'm not in for 
> a fat hog...
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 06:55:28 AM MST, larson@gmail.com <
> larson@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> I built up a 2TT 62cm Appaloosa in February as my first Riv, and have 
> enjoyed it very much. The over riding impression is that I know that this 
> is a heavy bike (from lifting it onto my hitch rack), but it rides lively 
> and relatively light, and comfortable and stable. It is hard to wrap my 
> head around the contradiction of the weight of the bike vs. this ride feel 
> and seems to be one of the defining Rivendell ride characteristics from the 
> opinions of others.
> Randy in Wisconsin
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:32:53 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>
> I remember reading where Grant, or one of his long-term employees but I 
> think Grant, said on front end geometry handling there are a few numbers 
> they hold to but they don't discuss them outside the shop.  Trail would be 
> an obvious one, but I've always thought it would be interesting to hear the 
> rest.  Jan Heine gets into what might be some of RBW's other unspoken 
> factors in his book on performance bicycles.  
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 10:38:08 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Grant's 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 had a 54mm trail with 25mm tires. The 2022 
> Roadini had a trail of around 58mm but with a 5mm lower BB. The Cheviot (I 
> can't find numbers for the Platypus) had a trail of 58mm with a 25mm tire 
> (but obviously few people would run 25mm tires on that bike), but even with 
> a 33mm tire it'll still be a 61mm trail, making the bike steer a little 
> slower but still agile. I had a custom bike built around the 1993 RB-1 
> geometry with a lower BB, and it rides similarly great. Now when it comes 
> to compliance, stiffness, etc., the tubing thickness etc matters more, but 
> in terms of handling I think Grant has it dialed down and you can see that 
> he pretty much keeps all his bikes in the same zone when it comes to trail. 
> The longer wheel base that he's been going for recently adds alot to 
> stability and high speed handling at the expense of packability into bike 
> boxes, which few care about. If you were to buy say, a Craig Calfee carbon 
> framed bike, it actually has a very similar geometry too the RB-1, and 
> rides similarly, but of course being made out of carbon and with a short 
> wheel base and relatively little tire clearance chances are that bike 
> wouldn't appeal to the same people who like Rivendell bicycles.
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Oh I haven't the first clue how Grant does it. There's something going on 
> with the numbers and tubes that makes them ride like a Harley Softail on 
> the straights AND a Ducati Panigale in the turns. It's bonkers! 
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:51:31 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
> You hit it on the head, Joe. Thanks for the thread. With all of your 
> experience on a gazillion bikes, what do *you* think accounts for “the 
> magical Riv ride he designs into these frames”? What makes it happen?
>
> On Nov 16, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted to 
> post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these frames is 
> slightly under discussed..like we all know it and love it, then talk about 
> other stuff like paint and parts. My comments are specifically about my 
> custom but I've owned a bunch of Rivs and they all ride like this (Clem 
> maybe not so light-feeling, but still zippy). Add your thoughts about your 
> bikes! :
>
> The handling is amazing. It feels light and zippy, yet absorbs shock 
> (there's a lot of shock on these roads) and is very stable. When you put it 
> in a turn it goes where you point it and holds the line until you change 
> it. It does this when getting bumped offline, too..the darn thing pops 
> right back to where it was going! I've ridden a bazillion bikes and nothing 
> rides like a Rivendell 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[larson....@gmail.com]

Thanks James! The Appaloosa is the most aesthetically pleasing bike I own, 
and I guess that is factored in by many of us!

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:12:59 PM UTC-6 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Randy - I love this photo of your Appaloosa.  I gotta up my bike 
> photography skills!
>
> James
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:48:49 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My riding is road-centric (paved, gravel, dirt farm roads) so my  2TT 
>> 62cm Appaloosa does it all very well. It is comfortable, capable and fun to 
>> ride. The only thing I would like is more tire clearance to be able to ride 
>> trails and rough national forest roads, so maybe the 62cm Atlantis MIT, 
>> although I would love to give a Hunqapillar a try!
>> Randy in Wisconsin[image: Appaloosa 101022WEB.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:15 AM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I 
>>> am currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:
>>>
>>>- Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
>>>- Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with 
>>>at least 36 tooth biggest in back)
>>>- Rapid Rise RD
>>>- Friction thumb shifting
>>>- Tires no smaller than 50mm
>>>- Cantilever brakes
>>>- B67 saddle
>>>- Robust wheels with at least 36 spokes; dynamo hub
>>>- Good lights
>>>- Flat pedals
>>>- Rear rack
>>>
>>> I could get particular about specific components; they would just have 
>>> to fit these general parameters. The main thing is the Hunq itself. The 
>>>  more examples of other bikes I’ve ridden — including other Rivs —  the 
>>> more attached I get to the Hunq as a do-it-all. The other bikes seem to 
>>> have too much or too little of something relative to the Hunq. They might 
>>> be fun, interesting, comfortable, capable, whatever, but they feel 
>>> compromised or annoying in some way, big or small. The Hunq compromises 
>>> nothing to me and riding it puts me in a happy place.
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-5 
>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've 
>>>> ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or 
>>>> upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: 20210614_081755.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what 
>>>>>> I have now is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I 
>>>>>> see 
>>>>>> it as a 75% unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my 
>>>>>> Atlantis. I live and ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation 
>>>>>> changes both while commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current 
>>>>>> setup (44-32-22 up front, 12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the 
>>>>>> steepest San Francisco hill and gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my 
>>>>>> eyes and makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I 
>>>>>> was sorely missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first 
>>>>>> Riv 
>>>>>> in 2008) but I’m a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer 
>>>>>> will 
>>>>>> change over time, but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also also: I just did the attached route and featured a lot of rough 
>>>>>> terrain with the final 40 miles being exclusively paved. The Atlantis 
>>>>>> was 
>>>>>> supremely comfortable on all of it. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the 
>>>>>>> premise of the thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So 
>&g

Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Ride

[larson....@gmail.com]

I built up a 2TT 62cm Appaloosa in February as my first Riv, and have 
enjoyed it very much. The over riding impression is that I know that this 
is a heavy bike (from lifting it onto my hitch rack), but it rides lively 
and relatively light, and comfortable and stable. It is hard to wrap my 
head around the contradiction of the weight of the bike vs. this ride feel 
and seems to be one of the defining Rivendell ride characteristics from the 
opinions of others.
Randy in Wisconsin

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:32:53 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> I remember reading where Grant, or one of his long-term employees but I 
> think Grant, said on front end geometry handling there are a few numbers 
> they hold to but they don't discuss them outside the shop.  Trail would be 
> an obvious one, but I've always thought it would be interesting to hear the 
> rest.  Jan Heine gets into what might be some of RBW's other unspoken 
> factors in his book on performance bicycles.  
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 10:38:08 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Grant's 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 had a 54mm trail with 25mm tires. The 2022 
>> Roadini had a trail of around 58mm but with a 5mm lower BB. The Cheviot (I 
>> can't find numbers for the Platypus) had a trail of 58mm with a 25mm tire 
>> (but obviously few people would run 25mm tires on that bike), but even with 
>> a 33mm tire it'll still be a 61mm trail, making the bike steer a little 
>> slower but still agile. I had a custom bike built around the 1993 RB-1 
>> geometry with a lower BB, and it rides similarly great. Now when it comes 
>> to compliance, stiffness, etc., the tubing thickness etc matters more, but 
>> in terms of handling I think Grant has it dialed down and you can see that 
>> he pretty much keeps all his bikes in the same zone when it comes to trail. 
>> The longer wheel base that he's been going for recently adds alot to 
>> stability and high speed handling at the expense of packability into bike 
>> boxes, which few care about. If you were to buy say, a Craig Calfee carbon 
>> framed bike, it actually has a very similar geometry too the RB-1, and 
>> rides similarly, but of course being made out of carbon and with a short 
>> wheel base and relatively little tire clearance chances are that bike 
>> wouldn't appeal to the same people who like Rivendell bicycles.
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh I haven't the first clue how Grant does it. There's something going 
>>> on with the numbers and tubes that makes them ride like a Harley Softail on 
>>> the straights AND a Ducati Panigale in the turns. It's bonkers! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:51:31 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>>>
 You hit it on the head, Joe. Thanks for the thread. With all of your 
 experience on a gazillion bikes, what do *you* think accounts for “the 
 magical Riv ride he designs into these frames”? What makes it happen?

 On Nov 16, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted 
 to post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these frames 
 is slightly under discussed..like we all know it and love it, then talk 
 about other stuff like paint and parts. My comments are specifically about 
 my custom but I've owned a bunch of Rivs and they all ride like this (Clem 
 maybe not so light-feeling, but still zippy). Add your thoughts about your 
 bikes! :

 The handling is amazing. It feels light and zippy, yet absorbs shock 
 (there's a lot of shock on these roads) and is very stable. When you put 
 it 
 in a turn it goes where you point it and holds the line until you change 
 it. It does this when getting bumped offline, too..the darn thing pops 
 right back to where it was going! I've ridden a bazillion bikes and 
 nothing 
 rides like a Rivendell 

 Joe Bernard 

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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

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In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have done 
some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This spring I 
built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I have come to 
believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have tried. I have 
ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and have no soreness in 
hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these bars with a quill 
stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and liked them for 
off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less comfortable for me.

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to come 
> back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the forward 
> position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
> can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
> are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
> better. 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for me. I 
>> routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have felt as 
>> fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no doubt that it 
>> (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long & high 
>> stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle (which 
>> I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
>> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but 
>> with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
>> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>>
>> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 
>> 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>>
>>> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best 
>>> for rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>>>
>>> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
>>> what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>>>
>>> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run 
>>> bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for 
>>> most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven 
>>> winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further 
>>> afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is I 
>>> only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go 
>>> on longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
>>> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
>>> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
>>> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
>>> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge 
>>> as favorites for longer riding?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

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Looks great! I have thought about an Atlantis set up with knobby tires and 
a bullmoose bar as my mtb.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:00:41 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Imma revive this thread with my dream Riv. I’ve since added dust caps to 
> the crankset, but otherwise this is as it appears now (well, I also changed 
> the cassette but whatever).
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

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I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is such a bar. I think it is 
listed as a possible size, and was teased as a possibility in 2022. Someone 
please correct me if this is incorrect - I’m very interested in this bar as 
well!
Randy in Wisconsin

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:15:09 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it from 
> you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to source 
> that bar, please let me know!
>
> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>
> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>
> Paul in AR
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Blue Ridge loop

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Great ride report and pictures! A beautiful part of the world, to be sure.
Randy in Wisconsin

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 3:35:46 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love these ride reports you've been doing, please keep up the good work!
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:22:49 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Blue Ridge ramble
>> 23 September 2022
>> 82 miles, 8,300 feet
>>
>> Taken with Ray Hosler’s accounts of long rides in the Sierras riddled 
>> with fire roads, trespassing and lots of climbing I’ve been looking for a 
>> way to attempt something similar in my part of the world. Unfortunately 
>> getting out to the mountains relative to where I live requires at least 
>> three hours of driving. That creates enough friction that I can’t manage it 
>> every weekend. I do wonder what kind of riding shape I’d be in with easy 
>> mountain access. 
>>
>> I’ve been investigating paper maps, Google maps and Strava maps looking 
>> for alternate routes and roads with an aim towards avoiding highways and 
>> roads well travelled. While I couldn’t find any confirmation that certain 
>> roads connected to others while remaining passable by bike I felt confident 
>> enough to try and make a loop. My original charted course was 125 miles, 
>> combining a new untested loop with an old, familiar one. 
>>
>> It seems that fall is on the way. The humidity has tapered off and we’ve 
>> had some lovely weather. Some days in the mid 70s and perfect, others in 
>> the high 80s and still quite nice. The forecast for my ride predicted a low 
>> of 48º in the morning with temperatures climbing to the mid 60s. This might 
>> sound just about perfect for a day out with lots of climbing but there was 
>> some unpleasant wind. With surface winds at 14mph and gusts up to 28mph I 
>> would later find myself freezing. 
>>
>> I prepared for the trip over the course of the week, making lists of what 
>> to bring along. There are stores and even restaurants along the route but I 
>> didn’t want to rely on them for all of my food and water. I brought along 
>> more than I needed. 
>>
>> I stuffed my Fab’s Chest with all of the below. 
>>
>> For food: A bag of peanut butter pretzel nuggets; an 85% chocolate bar; a 
>> blend of walnuts, coconut flakes and pumpkin seeds; a peanut butter, honey, 
>> coconut, salt and banana sandwich with shaved chocolate; and a stainless 
>> container with a handful of salad greens, half an avocado, a soft boiled 
>> egg, walnuts, a carrot and a tin of mackerel. 
>>
>> Gear: A bag with spare front and rear lights, a power pack for lights, 
>> phone and GPS. A spare tire (I’m still getting comfortable running my RH 
>> extralights). Hand sanitizer, wipes. Two bandanas. Paper map of the area, 
>> printed route instructions. Tool kit with Crank Bros multi tool, spare 
>> tube, patch kit, tire levers. 
>>
>> The weather forecast left me confused. Getting ready at 4:00AM I decided 
>> on a wool baselayer and a Patagonia Nano Puff. I wore my torn up Kucharik 
>> wool shorts and wool socks. I packed a pair of Defeet glove liners and a 
>> linen short sleeve shirt. I wish I’d worn a long-sleeve wool jersey, 
>> perhaps paired with a shell.
>>
>> My ride started on some gravel roads that had recently been scraped and 
>> surfaced which left lots of fluffy dirt that had me sliding at times. 
>> Perhaps there’s a tradition to scrape roads at the end of summer as I 
>> encountered this problem on gravel roads throughout the ride. My route took 
>> me along a quiet farm lane that follows a stream then onto a dirt road, 
>> with a strip of grass through the middle, with sorghum growing on one side 
>> and soy on the other. I turned onto a highway for a few miles, then into a 
>> neighborhood with many apple orchards, apple packing warehouses and a small 
>> post office. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2582.jpg]
>>
>> My climbing began on a paved road in the countryside which after several 
>> miles turned to a gravel fire road. 
>>
>> The fire road was a lot of fun and slow going. I used my 26T front ring 
>> and shifted through my cassette as needed, I wasn’t trying for speed but 
>> comfortable climbing. I didn't know what lay ahead and I didn't want to 
>> burn out early. The road was mostly in good shape with nominal sized 
>> gravel, some chunks, some ruts and a few areas where the original mountain 
>> rock came up through the road. I had no trouble with my 44mm Snoqualmie 
>> Pass tires. 
>>
>> The route is wooded and follows a river. There are charming mossy 
>> boulders and I can see this place looking like heaven in another month. So 
>> far, some leaves have fallen but there is not much color in the canopies. 
>>
>> [image: 220923 01.jpg]
>>
>> Along the climb I passed a few campers and a pair of guys in waders 
>> carrying flyrods. I was mostly out there alone, climbing and climbing, 
>> 3,000 feet over 13 miles. To date this was my longest climb. 
>>
>> After several hours I’d reached the ridge 

[RBW] Re: WTB: 68cm Atlantis

[larson....@gmail.com]

What a beautiful Atlantis! At just over 6’4” I can appreciate these bikes 
and hope to someday own a larger Atlantis. Great work and I bet it rides 
nice.
Randy

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 9:49:12 AM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:

> What a great looking bike. The pink case on the Wahoo is a really nice 
> touch. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:39:11 AM UTC-7 mark etze wrote:
>
>> That's a great looking Atlantis. I am always sorta looking for 68cm Riv's 
>> and when I saw your WTB I just figured there was no chance you would get 
>> one because they are so rare. Congratulations on finding 2.
>>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Following up here just to say that, against the odds, this worked 
>>> amazingly well. Took 9 days from the WTB being posted for me to take 
>>> delivery of a 68cm Atlantis frame, which I built up right away, fine tuned 
>>> for a week or so, and is now up and running. The build was mainly dictated 
>>> by parts availability in my garage (didn't buy anything), but I also took 
>>> inspiration from the colour scheme of 1980s era Burger Kings after a photo 
>>> of one preserved behind a wall at a mall in Delaware made its rounds on the 
>>> internet a couple of weeks ago! I've attached a photo—hope I've done so 
>>> properly. 
>>>
>>> This success, I presume, would be unlikely enough. But, my WTB also led 
>>> straight to finding the other 68 I had been wanting, a Quickbeam, which 
>>> arrived today! Seems miraculous. Thanks to the tall guys on here who helped 
>>> me out! 
>>>
>>> Mack in Alberta (and in the middle of a pbh range) 
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 11:00:11 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>>>
 In the last couple of years, at least, the bunch seems to have been 
 amazingly effective at moving some 68cm Atlantises (Atlantii?) around to 
 new owners. So, one more time? F/F/HS would be ideal, but if you only want 
 to sell complete my arm could be twisted, probably. 

 I've been a reader for a little while, but never a poster, so this post 
 might have an uphill battle ahead of it. Maybe a brief explanation will 
 help: I managed to buy a 67cm Homer this winter, and it went straight to 
 the top of my favourites list, ahead of a 62cm 2TT Appaloosa (thx Jim W!), 
 a 61cm Roadini that I'm always on the verge of selling, and just barely 
 ahead of a 60cm Platypus. Being totally hooked on the fit of the Homer, I 
 want another big one but with room for fatter tires.

 Could this work in time for my end of summer tour in the Rockies to be 
 an Atlantis tour? Here's hoping!

 Mack in Alberta 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: A story of a Harlequin Braided Appaloosa and Platypus

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Fantastic bikes! Congratulations!

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Harlequin wrapping is not for the faint of heart. I have done one at this 
> point, and haven't managed to do another, yet. Requires a lot of patience, 
> and unwrapping and re-wrapping.
>
> Bravo!
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 3:24:06 PM UTC-4 Seth wrote:
>
>> Hi All, 
>>
>> A user on the group had suggested that I share a few pictures of the pair 
>> of second hand Rivs that my wife and I recently picked up and customized to 
>> our liking. 
>>
>> The first to join the group was my wife’s Platypus, which we found at a 
>> local shop here in Boston that was on consignment since its former owner 
>> traded down to a smaller size. The timing of this find was incredible in 
>> that our friend had recently built up a Homer that my wife test rode and 
>> recently fell in love with. Thus the obsession began and when this came up, 
>> we didn’t hesitate to add our first Riv to the family. 
>>
>> To make a long story short, I was quickly the lone man out on our group 
>> rides, and my own search began. Again, in another stroke of sheer luck, our 
>> same friend found me this Joe Appaloosa, which was listed out in Chicago, 
>> and I immediately contacted the owner who was happy to ship it out to me. 
>>
>> I made almost no changes to my build, which was damn near perfect and 
>> really well spec’d with Paul and White Ind components. The only changes I 
>> made were to add the basket and swap out the rear saddle to a Brooks B67 
>> and it was off to the races. 
>>
>> For my wife’s Platy we swapped out the wheels to a dynamo set and then it 
>> was time to get to adding the flare, which brings me to the harlequin 
>> braided 
>> wraps for both. I have built a lot of bikes but never attempted to do a 
>> harlequin braid, but decided it was a requirement for both of them. I’m 
>> sure they aren’t perfect but I’m really happy with how they came out! 
>>
>> Sorry for the long backstory but figured I’d add some context. Cheers! 
>> Seth
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Happy Fourth!

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A really beautiful and elegant bike! Does it ride as well as it looks?
Randy in Wisconsin

On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 2:44:40 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> I was supposed to go to my folks' house this weekend but I got called in 
> to work so I sent my roomates without me. And that means rather than 
> commuting and running errands, I actually had the opportunity to ride one 
> of my bicycles for no good reason at all! It also means I got a break from 
> cleaning up toys and diapers for a few days. I selected my Roadini, which 
> recently got an overhaul. What a beautiful day! I hope ya'll get out for a 
> ride too...
>
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Re: [RBW] Bars and more bars...

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I have always been more of a drop bar guy, but after 500 miles on Billie 
bars I am starting to change my thinking. I do not like a too upright 
position - the front curves, which I use a lot, are about saddle level. The 
ends are angled slightly down which I like for descending or on the trail. 
The front curves feel similar to riding on the hoods of a drop bar. I keep 
thinking that  as my rides get longer I will wish for drop bars, but I have 
not found that to be the case. I feel like by flexing my elbows I can get a 
low enough position for a headwind, though obviously not as low as drops. 
Yesterday I rode 40+ miles in complete comfort with no hand, neck or 
shoulder (I’m rehabbing a rotator cuff injury)pain, and feel that 50-60 
miles would be no problem. These days I do not ride longer than that very 
often. The Joe Appaloosa with Billie bars is making me rethink my ideas on 
comfort.

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 6:52:54 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I will definitely second being less comfortable when I am too upright. I 
> still haven't found a bar with back sweep and rise (albatross, boscos, 
> etc.) that I feel comfortable on. My bikes are all pretty much drops or 
> flat bars (wavies, bullmoose, Jones). I can only descend hills at any sort 
> of speed on drop bars. My favorite drops are Randonneur Bars (which Riv 
> does not sell) - the bars sweep up at the outside so that the ramps are 
> above the stem. I have been riding drops for 52 years since that first 
> Varsity Sport, the Super Sport a year later introduced me to Randonneur 
> bars (and Chrome-Moly frames and alloy rims and Brooks saddles). The top of 
> my bars are above the Saddle these days, but the drops are still below the 
> saddle.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 6:03:47 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Hi John, 
>>
>> I'm surely not a "typical" Riv rider in that I grew up and am still most 
>> comfortable/relaxed with a forward leaning position. The more upright I go 
>> the more unstable I feel on the bike, exactly the opposite of what's being 
>> touted. Don't believe anything/everything you read, *even this*, 
>> everything you need to know you already know within yourself. I wouldn't 
>> make a very good teacher as that'd be about all I'd say to the 
>> "students". that and "why ask me that which you already know and are ?" 
>> Why ? so that in asking and answering we can laugh/revel in the 
>> hilarity of playing *question and answer *!  Self Revelation  ...
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Erik's new Gus. Questions.

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Hey Eric,
Enjoy your Instagram site. How well do you think Gus would work as an 
allroad/mixed terrain bike with tires like the 700x55 Antelope Hill or 2.2” 
Fleecer Ridge? Giving thought to the ATB/one bike solution and am thinking 
about the possibilities. Somebody on the forum speculated that the Gus 
could possibly be an Atlantis/Jones LWB mix. Thank you and happy riding.
Randy in Wisconsin

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 4:17:34 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> I think I responded to the question last time, but just in case:
>
> I have my 1st run, size L Susie set up with 29x2.8 tires, measuring at 
> least 74mm  on 42mm rims, with a 3x9 drivetrain.   My tires don't have huge 
> knobs, but there are no absolutely no clearance or interference issues 
> anywhere, in any gear.   By far the biggest constraint is the height of the 
> fork crown.   If it was higher, I could and would put fenders on the bike, 
> too.   
>
> If I can find a 2.6 tire that I like, I will eventually switch to those.  
> I want fenders,.  And the 2.8 tires are fine on dirt but have a little too 
> much self-steer on hard surfaces.
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:55:14 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Erik and others. Garth, come to think of it, I think that I did 
>> ask this before -- more Ralph Wiggumry. Oh well.
>>
>> And I would prefer disc brakes, tho' that's not a deal breaker.
>>
>> Also, any Monocog replacement would be a single speed, or perhaps use a 
>> hub gear -- typical wide range 3 speed or perhaps a 2 speed kickback; but 
>> probably just a simple single speed.
>>
>> The dealbreaker tho' is 76 mm tires with 5 mm clearance on each side, so 
>> 86 mm between stays at tire level.
>>
>> Garth, I find that an extra cm of width and corresponding 5 psi or so 
>> drop in pressure makes a huge difference when negotiating sand. 60 mm at 19 
>> psi is much better than 50 mm at 23 psi, but 71-2 mm at 13-15 psi is even 
>> better, and 76mm+ I daresay would improve things further. 
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:28 PM Erik  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that sand looks brutal!  As you noted, the max listed tire size on 
>>> the Gus or Susie is 2.8, but I feel like that would be pushing it for a 
>>> couple of reasons.  I'm running 29" x 2.5 Terravail Ehlines. They measure 
>>> about 62mm without any weight on them on Cliffhanger rims, tubeless.  They 
>>> have plenty of clearance on the sides (about 12mm on the front, a little 
>>> less in the rear). I measured the distance between the inside of the 
>>> chainstays and it looks like it's right about 80mm (I wasn't measuring with 
>>> calipers!), so I don't think you could fit 3" tires (about 76mm) with any 
>>> meaningful room to spare.  The forks have a little more clearance so maybe 
>>> a slightly larger front tire would be possible.
>>>
>>> The bigger issue that I would see with trying to get even larger tires 
>>> on the back is the bottom bracket width necessary to keep the chain off of 
>>> the tire.  It would push the chainline out pretty far.  It's a 73mm shell 
>>> and I'm running a 122 IRD bottom bracket with spacers.  Even with that and 
>>> a chainline that is wy outboard, the chain runs pretty close to the 
>>> tire in the 50t gear in the back.  I think that if I sized up even to the 
>>> 2.8 I might have to switch up to a 127 BB, pushing the chainline out even 
>>> further.  You almost need Boost spacing at that point to push the cassette 
>>> further out in line with the front chainring.  Otherwise the front 
>>> chainring is starting to line up with the smallest cog which makes for a 
>>> terrible chainline.  That's my amateur opinion at any rate!  I'm sure 
>>> someone on here has tried it or knows this better than I do. 
>>>
>>> Otherwise, even with "just" 2.5 inch tires it's handled the terrain just 
>>> fine and was easy to keep on track on multiple surfaces, including rocky 
>>> sections and sections with lots of roots and loose gravel.  It was equally 
>>> fine with all of it.  Sand, however, is another matter.  We don't have much 
>>> of that on the trails in my area so I can't really speak to it.
>>>
>>> I may try out a larger front tire soon and will happily report back.  I 
>>> don't think I'm going to try a larger rear tire for the reasons above re: 
>>> chainline.  
>>>
>>> And thanks for the nod on the build!  Happy with all the shiny bits.  
>>>
>>> Erik  
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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen: First Impressions

[larson....@gmail.com]

Thank you for the writing and the beautiful pictures! A gorgeous bike! 
There may be a Gus in my future.
Randy in Wisconsin

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 1:00:32 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> After a long wait, I was finally able to pick up my new Gus Boots Willsen 
> frame from Riv headquarters this past week.  As I've mentioned here before, 
> I purchased a large Susie from a list member last year knowing that I was 
> pushing the intended weight envelope.  The bike was beautiful, but I 
> decided that I would try to pick up a Gus for the stouter tubing and 11/8 
> steering tube.  I wanted to be able to load the thing up and take it on 
> multi-day camping trips as well as tackle the roughest trails in my neck of 
> the woods.   
>
> I have been a mountain biker for most of my life,  since I started riding 
> back in the late 80s, and wanted a bike to replace what I knew would be my 
> last full-suspension beast, a lovely Salsa Horsethief.  I sold the Salsa 
> last year after deciding that I was starting to prefer the simplicity and 
> fun of a rigid bike.  I had my Atlantis set up as a mountain-ish / 
> hillibike with 2.2 Trail King tires and Bullmoose bars.  I was riding that 
> bike on most of my local trails but wanted a bike that could handle much 
> larger tires and was more purpose-built for heavier off-road duty. 
>
> First Impression: so worth the wait!  I've got the bike set up with my 
> dream build, a mix of White Industries hubs/ Cliffhanger wheels built by 
> Rich, Paul Motolite brakes and Box Car stem, White Industries 1x crank set, 
> Garbaruk 11-50t cassette, Tumbleweed Persuader bars, Terravail 2.5 tires, 
> and more.  I've taken the bike out for a couple of rides since I completed 
> the build on Saturday and am finding it perfectly suited to the sort of 
> riding I lean toward.  
>
> I live in the Napa Valley and took it out to Moore Creek Park near St. 
> Helena on Sunday.  The trails in the lower part of the park are newer, with 
> some really smooth sections, and are beautifully carved into the topography 
> of the hills.  There's even a short flow trail section.  The Gus was really 
> happy on all of this terrain.  I don't do jumps anymore, but the banked 
> turns and rollers on the flow trail were a blast on the bike!  Despite the 
> size and length of the bike, it handled really nicely on all of the 
> singletrack. Maybe not as snappy as some of my old aggressive geometry 
> mountain bikes, but consistent with a 29" wheeled bike.  It felt smooth and 
> stable.  I think some of this is down to the wheelbase and some to the 
> high-ish trail steering.  Whatever the case, it's beautifully balanced and 
> rides like water flowing downstream.  Unfortunately, I had a problem with 
> my seat post not wanting to stay put. In my haste to get it fixed on the 
> trailside, I broke the seat post binder bolt and had to finish out the ride 
> not using my seat.  Great leg exercise, but not a good way to test out the 
> handling characteristics of the bike.  :)
>
> This evening I took it out to Skyline Park in Napa where they held World 
> Cup races back in the 90s and single speed world championships more 
> recently.  I remember watching in awe as Tinker Juarez, Thomas 
> Frischknecht, Paola Pezzo, and all of the 90s XC stars climbed the trails 
> in massive gears at unbelievable speeds during the world cup races.  I 
> hadn't realized it was possible to go that fast uphill on those trails!  I 
> certainly didn't set any land speed records tonight or even come close to 
> World Cup speeds, but was able to get the bike out onto some really rough, 
> rocky, technical terrain and put it through its paces.  I was surprised at 
> how easily I climbed some of the toughest sections in the first mile 
> between the western entrance by Napa Valley College and the main part of 
> the park.  That 1.5-mile stretch is really rough and really fun.  Some 
> shots are below.  I walked one very technical section in particular but was 
> able to climb and ride everything else with ease and enjoyed myself 
> immensely.  The Paul brakes and dialed in perfectly and give me incredible 
> control. 
>
> The bike handled moderate speeds on trails with lots of ruts and 
> coconut-sized rocks.  without any trouble.  It tracked really nicely and 
> stayed on my intended lines climbing and descending.  The only limitations 
> were my lungs and nerves.  I  ride a bit slower and more carefully without 
> suspension but it's just as fun and is a great mental exercise, like 
> putting together a big spatial puzzle as I decide what the bike is capable 
> of riding over or between.  
>
> So, just a couple of rides, but it's exactly what I hoped for.  Just 
> enough flex to be fun, big tires (running tubeless and pretty low psi) to 
> soak up the bumps, low top tube for graceful quick dismounts, and a long 
> wheelbase and high trail steering...and it's gorgeous.   I ran by Riv 
> headquarters today so Will could help me 

Re: [RBW] Re: Chasing the Ghosts of Sinnipee - A Ride Report

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No, it was sold and taken apart to be used as part of a dam. Several other 
houses may have been sold, taken apart and the materials reused in Mineral 
Point. Part of Sinnipee may be underwater, as river levels are higher as a 
result of dams downstream. Thanks for the interest.
Randy

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:46:27 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Thanks for sharing, is the stone hotel still standing, Steve
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 7:38 PM larson@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> [image: EC4348D1-50E6-4C15-8E0C-96D78D67C90B.jpeg][image: 
>> AE3E7B15-8172-46F8-A3E7-FCAEE42CB90D.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:36:07 PM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 19418C3A-C917-4EDB-8D9E-DC9C0BDAE853.jpeg][image: 
>>> B0C4A0C7-7029-420B-9882-222405D6BD5F.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:33:38 PM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: 9574097C-2395-443C-B3BF-336912EE7E50.jpeg][image: 
>>>> D6061E96-ED63-4008-9F96-7FB9972E10EA.jpeg]I became a Rivendell owner 
>>>> recently, and thought I would share a ride from yesterday. I use my bike 
>>>> to 
>>>> explore places, the speed of a bike is perfect for interacting with the 
>>>> landscape. Southwestern Wisconsin has a lot of interesting early history 
>>>> as 
>>>> part of the early lead mining region. The ride was only 25 miles, starting 
>>>> and finishing at the Sinsinawa Mound, but we were able to explore several 
>>>> places along the Mississippi River. Sinnipee is a ghost town that had an 
>>>> interesting, but very short lifespan. 
>>>>
>>>> The man who set up the town dreamed of a transcontinental railroad, and 
>>>> that Sinnipee would become a major port on the Mississippi River, perhaps 
>>>> even rival St. Louis. This was in 1835, and a large stone hotel was built 
>>>> here. The story is that two future presidents stayed here during the time 
>>>> they were stationed at Fort Crawford in Prairie du Chien. In1838 spring 
>>>> snowmelt created serious flooding, and the resulting stagnate water 
>>>> resulted in a deadly malaria outbreak. There is a small cemetery located 
>>>> on 
>>>> a bluff above the town site, a beautiful quiet place several hundred feet 
>>>> above the Mississippi. There are said to be about 60-70 unmarked graves 
>>>> here. By 1839 Sinnipee was completely abandoned.
>>>>
>>>> One of the more recent graves is part of a small family plot-the Fenley 
>>>> family owned most of this land as part of their farm. Roscoe Fenley died 
>>>> in 
>>>> service as a Marine in WWI. He was stationed on the USS Pittsburg, which 
>>>> spent most of the war in the South America region. The 1918 outbreak of 
>>>> influenza killed 58 men on this ship, including this young Marine from 
>>>> Wisconsin.
>>>>
>>>> I enjoy visiting, photographing and sometimes writing about places like 
>>>> this in Wisconsin. The bike is such a great way to engage these place, to 
>>>> experience deep travel. The picture of the path in the woods is close to 
>>>> the Main Street of Sinnipee. The hiking picture is on the way to the bluff 
>>>> top cemetery. Thank you for the interest.
>>>> Randy
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

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As someone who bought his first Rivendell frame and did my first build in 
the past few months, it is nice to see other first-timers. Jim and Thomas I 
am sure you will love your new Atlantis bikes-enjoy the process! My 
Appaloosa has exceeded my expectations and made me rethink what I actually 
need in a bicycle. Congratulations!
Randy in Wisconsin

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:37:49 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congrats to everyone on their Atlantis pre-orders. I'd fit a 55 but I 
> dream of that double top tube on the 59. Not being able to fit the double 
> tube frames pushed me to the Appaloosa, a bicycle I love. 
>
> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 5:39:44 PM UTC-4 Thomas Sibley wrote:
>
>> I ordered a 59 yesterday ( that rainbow bar), chomping at the bit right 
>> after noon worried it would sell out (unfounded I guess). Super excited! 
>> I've bought lots of parts and gear from Riv for years and years but never 
>> an actual bicycle. I hope I like it; it seems likely I will. Really 
>> regretting that I didn't try harder to make a visit over to Riv when I was 
>> briefly down in La Honda in October. 
>>
>> The other Riv frames haven't been too attractive to me in comparison to 
>> my long-time trusty steed, a Surly Cross-Check which I've continually 
>> refined into a great all-rounder bike for me over the past 12 years. Asking 
>> myself "Do I really need a new single?" always concluded in "Not really." 
>> But the Atlantis got my attention a while back around the same time it felt 
>> like my more recent refinements of the Cross-Check were fighting its 
>> geometry. On the Atlantis, I'm looking forward to getting even more 
>> upright, switching to a quill stem, running wider tires than the 
>> Cross-Check can accommodate with fenders (38s from Compass, er, Rene 
>> Herse), experiencing longer chainstays, having All The Braze-ons, and so 
>> on. Will first build it up using a mix a spare parts I have on hand, stolen 
>> parts from my Cross-Check, and new parts just for it, and see where it goes 
>> from there. My brain is definitely vibrating with the (rare to me) new bike 
>> excitement and not just any new bike, but a Riv!
>>
>> Thomas in Seattle
>>
>> P.S. Hello! I just learned about (and joined) this list two days ago when 
>> researching more about the Atlantis. I think I'll stay a while.
>>
>>
>> On 4/21/22 10:14, Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>> I ordered a 55 frame.  It is all I can do to be ending these sentences 
>> with periods instead of strings of exclamation points.  I'm stoked, I'm 
>> enthused, I'm maintaining a calm exterior while selecting parts one by 
>> one.  I've got a Clem H I bought complete, much modified now with guidance 
>> from this forum.  The Atlantis will be my first time building a bike up 
>> from a new frame.  I'm going to go slwww and enjoy it too.  
>>
>> I have been wanting this bike for years and was doubtful I'd be able to 
>> get it, as fast as the Riv frames have been selling out lately.  And I see 
>> now there are still Atlantis frames available, a day later, in every size 
>> EXCEPT the 55.  Below is proof that the 55s sold out in under an hour.
>>
>> Jim in Rochester
>>
>>
>> [image: atlantis 55 sold out.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:50:53 PM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>>
>>> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
>>> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
>>> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
>>> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
>>> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
>>> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
>>> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
>>> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
>>> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
>>> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
>>> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
>>> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
>>> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
>>> some of them into the wild. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
>>> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is 
>>> the only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
>>> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

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Jason,
Interesting thought regarding choosing Gus. I was thinking along those same 
lines. Somewhere I read a description of the  Gus as a cross between an 
Atlantis and a Jones LWB, which gets me thinking about the possibilities! 
Keep posting your ride reports!
Randy in Wisconsin

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I noticed this in the Sheldon Brown / Grant Petersen interview Will posted 
> on the site this week. The interview is undated but it must be from around 
> 1996 because Grant mentions Reader No. 7 and my copy has a postmark date of 
> May 1996. I'd wager Grant's answer in 2022 would be much different! 
>
> *bikesite:* If you could have any - but only one - bike to ride for the 
> rest of your life, which would it be?
>
> *Grant Petersen:* "One bike" wouldn't be a hardship, and the answer comes 
> easy. It would be a Rivendell All-Rounder, with a Brooks B.17 saddle, 
> Ritchey Crossbite 1.1 tires, a Ritchey double with 48 x36 rings and a 13 x 
> 28 6-speed cluster, SunTour bar end shifters, any derailleurs (I don't 
> care), a Phil bb---it's pretty much a bike we sell, and that's why we sell 
> it.
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:23:05 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Hmmm. I have already responded but now I'm thinking.. Gus Boots would be 
>> a great pick. I could go literally anywhere, just not especially fast, and 
>> carry anything I could want to. Probably run 50ish mm tires and fenders 
>> most of the time, but swap on some 2.6" knobbies for trail rides. Hmmm. 
>> Yes, that would do nicely.  
>>
>> And has the low TT! 
>>
>> Let's be honest though my answer will change every day which is why I 
>> have five bikes. 
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:37 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pam! 
>>>
>>> 54.3cm ST x 63cm ETT. Which sounds wacky for me at 5'-7" but Grant 
>>> designed it for my arthritic wrists to have a really high bar reaching way 
>>> back. I cheated a bit by eventually replacing the Bosco it was supposed to 
>>> run for a tall-and-stubby DirtDrop stem and Leah Bars. Oops, sorry, I mean 
>>> Billie Bars! (It's Leah's favorite bar, she's talked a lot of us into them 
>>> )
>>>
>>> It's a mostly-roads design not intended to carry heavy loads or tackle 
>>> crazy trails. Zippy and fun! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 6:21:25 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 Once you have a mixe-ish dropped tube, you won't go back to a 
 horizontal top tube.  Just like dyno lights.  Great looking bike.  What 
 size is it?  I bet it's fun to ride.

 On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:30:02 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Steel, mixte, this one! I'll own this bicycle as long as I can pedal 
> it and maybe even after that cuz it's so fun to look at. 
>
> Btw as this is a Leah thread I should give her a shoutout for the 
> design of my Rivendell Custom. It has the mixte-ish dropped tube because 
> she believes in them and I decided she's right! 
>
> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The expected answer from me, of the bikes I own, would be the 
>> Bombadil - but I'm not so sure I can say that confidently. It has the 
>> versatility and tire clearance to be a one-bike, even for my high varied 
>> riding (from brevets to mountain bike trails), but I like how the 
>> Hillborne 
>> rides more!  The Hillborne also has a little more TT clearance for me, 
>> which may become a bigger deal over time, and it's still stout enough 
>> for 
>> me to carry a full camping load. Only downside is the tire size 
>> limitation... Ideally I'd get a custom that is basically a Hillborne 
>> that 
>> fits 48's with fenders, but that would be hard to justify ... mind you, 
>> think of all the money I'd save selling four of my five bikes haha! 
>
>
>>
>> On Saturday, 2 April 2022 at 06:22:50 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
>>> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>>>
>>> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a 
>>> fun question yesterday: 
>>>
>>> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, 
>>> and what style - mixte or normal? 
>>>
>>> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>>>
>>> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
>>> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
>>> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my 
>>> shopping 
>>> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
>>> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
>>> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 

[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[larson....@gmail.com]

I have a Carradice Pendleton for everyday use-it is a really nice mid-sized 
bag. I also have a Nelson Longflap for times when I need more capacity, and 
I really like the longflap feature. I really like the simple, functional 
and durable aesthetic of Carradice. That being said, I could see the 
advantages of a modern version like Swift or Bags x Bird. Someday I hope to 
have a Waxwing custom saddlebag, which might be the best of both worlds.
Randy
Wisconsin

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:55:38 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I have used a Carradace Nelson Longflap I've used for daily commuting and 
> overnight trips for 20 years now. For medium and higher trail bikes putting 
> loads on the rear are less detrimental to handling than the front. The 
> Nelson's lateral shape keeps things as well forward as possible. I got it 
> for a ridiculously light ride across the country (credit card camping and 
> eating) on my Rambouillet. Simple, useful and adaptable.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:20:56 PM UTC-4 Chris K wrote:
>
>> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
>> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>>
>> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
>> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
>> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
>> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
>> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>>
>> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
>> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms, Apricot Blossoms, Peach Blossoms

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So beautiful! The images are all spectacular, but that weeping Cherry tree 
in the first image is incredibly beautiful. Living in the northern US our 
flowering trees are fairly limited, so I really enjoyed seeing these, 
especially since it is 30 degrees F this morning here in Wisconsin.

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 6:32:21 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Takaski, how gorgeous. The pink carpet photo is my favorite and a close 
> second is the last photo with the fuchsia and silvery pink blooms. Is this 
> in Japan? I will be sure to show my 16 yr old son - he is in love with 
> Japan and all things Japanese and might break our hearts and move there 
> someday. He is 2 years into learning Japanese and hopes to be fluent by the 
> time he graduates. Anyway, I cannot imagine how lovely this ride must have 
> been. Thanks for sharing these photos!
>
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 5:51:28 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:
>
>> It's been exceptionally warm for past couple weeks, and flowers seem to 
>> be blooming and falling in great hurry.
>> Last weekend I went for a ride before cherry blossoms fall.
>>
>> A 10-minute ride take me to a giant weeping cherry tree:
>> [image: DSC02036.jpg]
>> [image: DSC02041.jpg]
>>
>> And riding further to enjoy a couple of cherry trees:
>> [image: DSC02061.jpg]
>>
>> There were also ume trees (a kind of apricot) blooming.
>> Each ume flower is smaller than cherry. Some people prefer ume to 
>> cherries, saying that they're more understated and graceful.
>> [image: DSC02058.jpg]
>>
>> I also enjoyed fukujusou flowers (adonis ramosa), looking like yellow 
>> carpet:
>> [image: DSC02051.jpg]
>>
>> Cherry blossoms are already falling now. Yesterday I went for a brief 
>> ride, and peach blossoms were blooming just in time so that I could enjoy 
>> cherry blossoms, peach blossoms, and pink carpet at the same time:
>> [image: DSC02098.jpg]
>>
>> Peach blossoms are opposite of ume blossoms; they're so much more 
>> colorful:
>> [image: DSC02099.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Owahee Trail

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Looks like a beautiful landscape, very diverse vegetation. I would like 
seeing the gators, but not so much the huge feral hogs.

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:04:50 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I have been riding a lot lately on the Owahee and Apoxee trails instead of 
> the levees lately. I really, really need to clean the Protoveloosa, it is 
> getting a thick coating of limerock dust. I finally ran into some gators on 
> the trail on Saturday, last week it was huge feral hogs. I have been a 
> little too cautious to get picture of the gators (requires detaching the 
> phone from the handlebars) - one was about 50' to the left of the trail 
> napping in the sun, the other was only 20' to the right, these were both 
> big - 10'+.  I did ride the levee on Sunday, saw a single Pink Flamingo. I 
> may have to start carrying a separate camera in a handlebar bag.
> Wooden bridge just off the Owahee trail:
> [image: 4-9 1.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
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Re: [RBW] For Fans of Alt Bars or Alt bar neophytes

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Very interesting! Thank you for shedding some light on this. I am ‘wide bar 
curious’, but 44cm Cowchippers, Jones Loop Bars at 710mm and Sycip JJJ bars 
seem to work well for me.

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Fascinating! But, does any of this translate to swept back bars - Bosco, 
> Tosco…? I feel very comfortable riding my 650 wide Tosco’s. However, I am 
> noticing some inexplicable tension/pain between my shoulder blades. Never 
> while riding mind you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 4:43 PM, James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I know lots of folks on the list use Jones bars or similar.  I thought it 
> might be useful to have a sizing metric for these bars, as none seems to 
> formally exist.  We've been using this method for a while, and it seems to 
> be more or less on point every time.  
> Analog's internal math we use to cut down / choose alt bars for riders:
> https://analogcycles.com/pages/alt-bar-picker
>
> -James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth 
> Season Canvas
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

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Thanks Roberta! Having read this forum for several years before buying a 
Rivendell, you and some of the other ‘regulars’ have greatly influenced my 
decision to buy an Appaloosa. Have a good year of riding!

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 3:27:26 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Congratulations on the bike.  It’s a beauty!   Joe A. is so capable and a 
> wonderful ride for your varied riding situations. I had one for about three 
> years— so comfortable. This was my introduction to Riv and I found that I 
> didn’t have to be in pain to ride. 
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am two 
>> months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
>> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
>> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
>> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
>> early Spring.
>>
>> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this 
>> forum and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen 
>> two Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip 
>> late last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is 
>> the first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day 
>> rides and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no 
>> luck finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that 
>> would work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice 
>> for me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa 
>> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
>> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike 
>> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
>> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
>> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
>> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
>> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
>> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>>
>> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple 
>> of farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
>> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned. 
>> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
>> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
>> Randy
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

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Hey Jason,
Thank you for the kind words. Your Sam and Bombadil were bikes that helped 
push me into finally buying a Rivendell. The size of our bikes and the 
landscapes we explore with them may be completely different, but the 
Rivendells seem to be at home in both. I love your ride reports and hope to 
post ride reports from my corner of the world. Keep showing us those 
beautiful bikes of yours and the places you ride!
Randy

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Beautiful bike and landscape as well.  In that size, the Appaloosa looks 
> perfectly proportioned.  I know what you mean about the surprising 
> liveliness of Rivendells - for instance, I find them much more sporty than 
> a Surly with similar tubing spec, even with the long chainstays that we are 
> told by "mainstream bike media" will make the bike no fun. I look forward 
> to the thousands-of-miles update! 
>
> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 04:06:47 UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Brendon! I really like the color, and I don't see a lot of Joes 
>> in this color. It is a wonderful riding bike and I hope to post a couple of 
>> ride reports from southwestern Wisconsin.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:25:46 AM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> That is one handsome bicycle! The dark green has always been my 
>>> favourite of the Appaloosa colours, sad that I missed out on one all those 
>>> years ago.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

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Thank you Brendon! I really like the color, and I don't see a lot of Joes 
in this color. It is a wonderful riding bike and I hope to post a couple of 
ride reports from southwestern Wisconsin.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:25:46 AM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> That is one handsome bicycle! The dark green has always been my favourite 
> of the Appaloosa colours, sad that I missed out on one all those years ago.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

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Thanks Stephen! I love both the mermaid and orange Joes. I am happy to have 
joined the club and look forward to many miles this year!

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 5:36:37 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Man, thats a good looking bike. I love the dark green joe's. I got a 
> mermaid last year and have been loving it, its a blast on flowy 
> singletrack. Congrats on the bicycle.
>
> -stephen
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am two 
>> months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
>> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
>> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
>> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
>> early Spring.
>>
>> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this 
>> forum and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen 
>> two Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip 
>> late last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is 
>> the first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day 
>> rides and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no 
>> luck finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that 
>> would work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice 
>> for me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa 
>> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
>> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike 
>> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
>> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
>> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
>> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
>> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
>> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>>
>> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple 
>> of farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
>> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned. 
>> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
>> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
>> Randy
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Platy on the Raddy

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Very cool build and a great story/message.
Randy

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:13:47 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Had to share this wonderful story and great looking Platy build from the 
> Radavist...
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2022/04/hope-cyclery-builds-andrews-rivendell-platypus/
>
> Enjoy,
> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

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Hey Eric,
How are you doing? Is my wife’s Pugsley working out for you? It took five 
months to get all of the necessary parts! Hope to cross paths with you 
again sometime! If I remember correctly, I believe you have a Soma San 
Marcos, which is a cool bike and part Rivendell :-)
Randy

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 6:02:54 PM UTC-5 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey, I remember seeing that bike when it was just a frame. I came to buy a 
> Pugsley and got a sneak peek. It looks fantastic. I hope to see it in the 
> wild someday. Congratulations on the build! 
>
> Eric
> (Also in Madison, WI)
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:29 PM larson@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am two 
>> months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
>> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
>> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
>> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
>> early Spring.
>>
>> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this 
>> forum and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen 
>> two Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip 
>> late last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is 
>> the first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day 
>> rides and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no 
>> luck finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that 
>> would work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice 
>> for me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa 
>> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
>> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike 
>> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
>> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
>> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
>> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
>> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
>> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>>
>> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple 
>> of farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
>> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned. 
>> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
>> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
>> Randy
>>
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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

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Laing - Thank you for the suggestions. BTW I like your term ‘mechanical 
malpractice’. Growing up on a small farm we committed this offense on 
numerous occasions in order to get through a day of work before we could 
get replacement parts.
Joe - Thank you for your opinion. The fact that it shifts well makes me 
inclined to adhere to ‘if it’s not broken, don’t fix it’. I do appreciate 
everyone’s views on this as I work to learn more. I am very happy with the 
bike!

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 3:12:06 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a nice bike! I disagree with the suggestions to swap the fd, those 
> suckers are easy to get wrong and screw up your shifting. It works, you can 
> ride, I'd keep it. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Danny- Thank you, Hope to run into you sometime!
>> Laing- Thank you for the input. I had a feeling that the front derailleur 
>> would be mentioned. It does shift fine, but I will look at options. This 
>> was the derailleur suggested to me. Do you have any suggestions?
>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:54:30 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations.
>>> Nice bike, but sorry, I cannot help myself - please get a front 
>>> derailleur that actually fits the bike and the drivetrain. That derailleur 
>>> is meant for a triple crank and also the cage is too long for the 
>>> chainrings used - forcing the derailleur to be mounted too high. It may 
>>> work fine, but it is mechanical malpractice. Just the misguided ramblings 
>>> of a mechanical engineering nerd.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am 
>>>> two months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
>>>> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
>>>> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
>>>> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
>>>> early Spring.
>>>>
>>>> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this 
>>>> forum and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen 
>>>> two Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip 
>>>> late last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is 
>>>> the first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day 
>>>> rides and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no 
>>>> luck finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that 
>>>> would work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best 
>>>> choice 
>>>> for me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my 
>>>> Salsa 
>>>> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
>>>> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the 
>>>> bike 
>>>> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
>>>> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
>>>> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
>>>> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
>>>> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
>>>> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>>>>
>>>> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple 
>>>> of farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
>>>> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour 
>>>> planned. 
>>>> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
>>>> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
>>>> Randy
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

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Patrick - Thank you for the suggestion. I do agree with the aesthetic 
considerations, but as you surmised it does shift without any problems.

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:01:36 PM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Danny- Thank you, Hope to run into you sometime!
> Laing- Thank you for the input. I had a feeling that the front derailleur 
> would be mentioned. It does shift fine, but I will look at options. This 
> was the derailleur suggested to me. Do you have any suggestions?
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:54:30 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> Congratulations.
>> Nice bike, but sorry, I cannot help myself - please get a front 
>> derailleur that actually fits the bike and the drivetrain. That derailleur 
>> is meant for a triple crank and also the cage is too long for the 
>> chainrings used - forcing the derailleur to be mounted too high. It may 
>> work fine, but it is mechanical malpractice. Just the misguided ramblings 
>> of a mechanical engineering nerd.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am 
>>> two months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
>>> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
>>> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
>>> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
>>> early Spring.
>>>
>>> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this 
>>> forum and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen 
>>> two Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip 
>>> late last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is 
>>> the first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day 
>>> rides and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no 
>>> luck finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that 
>>> would work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice 
>>> for me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa 
>>> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
>>> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike 
>>> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
>>> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
>>> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
>>> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
>>> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
>>> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>>>
>>> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple 
>>> of farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
>>> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned. 
>>> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
>>> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
>>> Randy
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

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Danny- Thank you, Hope to run into you sometime!
Laing- Thank you for the input. I had a feeling that the front derailleur 
would be mentioned. It does shift fine, but I will look at options. This 
was the derailleur suggested to me. Do you have any suggestions?
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:54:30 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Congratulations.
> Nice bike, but sorry, I cannot help myself - please get a front derailleur 
> that actually fits the bike and the drivetrain. That derailleur is meant 
> for a triple crank and also the cage is too long for the chainrings used - 
> forcing the derailleur to be mounted too high. It may work fine, but it is 
> mechanical malpractice. Just the misguided ramblings of a mechanical 
> engineering nerd.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am two 
>> months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
>> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
>> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
>> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
>> early Spring.
>>
>> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this 
>> forum and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen 
>> two Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip 
>> late last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is 
>> the first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day 
>> rides and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no 
>> luck finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that 
>> would work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice 
>> for me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa 
>> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
>> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike 
>> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
>> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
>> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
>> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
>> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
>> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>>
>> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple 
>> of farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
>> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned. 
>> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
>> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
>> Randy
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hunqapillar on Monumental Loop

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Very nice images and a great bike! I have enjoyed following Pondero’s bike 
travels for several years. Interesting to see how the Hunq fared alongside 
a titanium hard tail. I just built up my first Riv, a 62cm Appaloosa, and 
am looking forward to seeing what types of riding it is capable of. Early 
impressions very favorable. I have always loved the Hunqapillar but could 
not get my hands on one. Good work!
On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:55:56 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Speaking of desert beauty, read (all of you, not just Earle) Edward Abby's 
> "Desert Solitaire," IME his best book (The Monkeywrench Gang and The Brave 
> Cowboy notwithstanding).
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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

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I enjoyed the interview very much. As a recent first-time Rivendell owner I 
am happy to hear Grant talking about bikes. Russ and Laura do a good job of 
emphasizing the non-competitive aspects of cycling, which is always 
appreciated.

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:13:47 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> If the lug bandanas and the new knickers come in on the same day, I think 
> it'll be a long tomorrow in the shipping department.
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:38:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Lug Bandana!!!  @6:45
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> I just watched this and came here to post it. Here's the link: 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>>>
>>> It's a great convo with Grant - a lot of stuff we've all heard before, 
>>> but also some little tidbits and peeks that are worth the half hour. I 
>>> really want a purple Charlie now, but I wish Grant was still talking about 
>>> horses all the time.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:18:07 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent 
 visit to Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Hunqapillar, 62, complete, dynamo—$2600

[larson....@gmail.com]

If I had not just finished building up my first Rivendell, an Appaloosa, I 
would be all over this. The Hunqapillar is a really cool bike, and may just 
have the coolest head badge ever. Good luck with the sale!

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-6 Applegate wrote:

> [image: IMG_8197.jpeg]
> “A wooly mammoth of a bicycle.”
>
> Hello folks. I’ve overdone the bicycles again, and am cutting one out. 
> It’s a Hunq, and it will be a sad day to see it go. I used this as a 
> heavy-duty town bike, with mega grocery hauls and big Lake Merritt picnic 
> duty, but it is made for much more fun than that, like expedition-grade 
> off-road bike touring.
>
> Google Photos 
>
> It has a Shimano dynamo front hub (!) but I’m planning to keep the lights 
> so as to keep the price down a bit, and since not everybody has the same 
> taste in those anyway.
>
> —Rivendell Silver Crankset, 42x28 w/pretty guard
> —Soma Shikoro 48mm tires
> —2x10 Deore Xt drivetrain
> —Shimano dynamo FH, Velocity RH, on Atlas rims (Rich Lesnik built front)
> —Nitto Tallux stem
> —Nitto Billie bars
> —Paul Cantis, Touring + Neo-Retro (set up opposite front/back config as 
> "typical" just cuz; please do not email me JUST to say these are backwards.)
> —Shimano Dura-Ace bar-end shifters set up as thumbies
> —Dia-compe brake levers
> —Riv fancy cork grips
>
> Add $50 for the Brooks (I can give you brown or black)
> Add $60 for the Nitto seatpost (I'll include a Kalloy S65 copy in its 
> place)
> Add $50 for the MKS/Riv Monarch/Grip King pedals (I'll include standard 
> platform pedals)
>
>
> I'm 6'0" with longer-than-the-statistical-average legs for my height. 
> Saddle height there is about 79cm.
>
>
> I'm in Berkeley, and would like to prioritize local pickup, but shipping 
> via Bikeflights + $95 for Blue Heron (LBS) to professionally pack it is 
> also an option. I don't currently have a bike box in which to pack it up 
> myself.
>
>
> Thanks for your consideration,
> Alex Applegate
> Berkeley, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> Per Riv/Cyclofiend (thanks Jim) 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/pdf/original_hunaqbook_pdf.pdf:
>
> The benefit of the expanded frame is higher handlebars easier, and so, 
> more comfort. That’s important and desirable on any bike, and super 
> important on one for touring.
>
> The Hunqapillar frame is an interesting mix of materials and people behind 
> it. It's our design, everything down to the last micro-detail. It’s made in 
> Taiwan by a team of builders trained by Tetsu Ishigaki, of Toyo. The main 
> tubes are super- expensive Japanese Kaisei 8630 heat-treated. The seat- and 
> chainstays are perfectly good Taiwan CrMo. The fork is made in Japan by 
> Tetsu Ishigaki at Toyo.
>
> Rear Spacing is 135mm—normal for touring and mountain bikes, and that 
> gives you access to about a million rear hubs.
>
> The 58 and 62, have extra top tubes, for extra strength. The 48 and 54 
> don’t need them, because their head tubes are shorter, so the frames are 
> already well-triangulated.
>
> All sizes have clearance for 2.2-inch tires, which is big enough for 
> anything except downhill racing.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

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Love this stuff and think it is a good reminder to us that we don’t need to 
obsess over gear (although it is OK to do that as well!). I bought the 
second Rough Stuff Fellowship book and am enjoying it very much. Reminds me 
of riding around the farm as a kid - old single speed bike that I would 
ride over the hill and through the woods on cow paths and field roads. 
Sometimes I rode, sometimes I pushed or carried, but it was always an 
adventure.

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:54:15 PM UTC-6 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> Oh yea..the guy on the cliff. He wouldn't download. Maybe this one will. 
> Craig in Tucson
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

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I just finished building an Appaloosa-my first Riv and my first build. I 
took my time and really enjoyed the project. I have only ridden once, below 
zero windchills and icey roads now, but found it very rewarding to ride a 
bike I put together and understand how it works. I find the beauty in the 
aesthetic and the experience. All bikes are cool, but as I get older I am 
drawn to function and simplicity. Instead of carrying a large camera 
system, I now carry a Fuji and a couple of lenses. Instead of owning six 
fly rods and carrying 50+ different fly patterns, I have two trout rods and 
carry a handful of proven flies, some tippet and a leader or two. For me, 
simplifying my equipment deepens my experience in all areas. I do like the 
ideals and aesthetics of the Rough Stuff Fellowship, but I prefer to 
actually ride my bike and not break things or come home bleeding! I hope to 
contribute something to this forum now that I am actually a Riv owner; I 
have learned a lot through this forum.

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 8:24:10 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> This is a great conversation and reminds me of a maxim in my industry; 
> "some people buy equipment so they can make music, others make music so 
> they can buy equipment." Neither are wrong, both achieve satisfaction from 
> their chosen path but the approaches are polar opposites.
>
> What does worry me is that bicycling is going the way of the HiFi industry 
> where "anoraks" who insist that you can't have good sound without $500 
> cables have destroyed the middle ground for equipment and denied many the 
> experience of quality home listening. You now have the high-end, high-$$ 
> market & box systems from Costco with almost nothing between them.
>
> If the bicycle industry continues to "innovate" to the point where the 
> technology and price point drives away the more casual rider they will find 
> themselves in the same position; selling expensive bikes to a stagnant 
> market with the rest of the riding population buying from the big box 
> stores.
>
> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:47:53 AM UTC-6 divis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> More specifically, "bloody bike anorak"; BBA for short.
>>
>> Peter "the backdoor invasion of CR nomenclature" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The technical term is "anorak."
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who gets a kick out of old fashioned Brit slang.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:12 AM Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
 ... nerds ...
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: My Homer made the email update

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Beautiful! I would say it looks perfect. Enjoy your new bike!

On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 5:26:40 PM UTC-6 John G. wrote:

> Caught my first glimpse of my new Homer in the email update AND I AM 
> PLEASED! Super excited to get my hands on this one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: XL Susie Handlebar dilemma

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I put Sycip JJJ bars on my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross bike last 
year to convert the bike from drop bars, and have liked them very much. The 
sweep is right for me and I am able to get a second hand position on the 
curves, which I use often. They are close, but not quite perfect. I think 
if I was getting a custom Doom bar I would base it on the JJJ bar, but 
wider (about 710mm) with just a little more rise. I am building up a Joe 
Appaloosa as my first Rivendell and am going to give Billie bars a try. If 
this doesn’t work I will probably get the custom Doom bars based on the JJJ.
Randy

On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 4:55:24 AM UTC-6 brendonoid wrote:

> Dave, It is really going to be a case of getting our hands on the bikes 
> and trying stuff out! Im pretty keen to try this Wright stem/Jones bar 
> combo but if it doesn't work I'll happily use a Billie or maybe even score 
> a Rons Back Bar in the next batch (in 18 months, lol).
>
> Eric, That JB bar has also been on my radar, it has a unique aesthetic. 
> Unfortunately it is cromo and I'm not sure I'd enjoy the very short main 
> grip area in actual use. It would fun to try nonetheless.
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: 62cm Hillborne, Atlantis MIT

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Still looking for a Sam Hillborne 62cm 2TT, prefer canti. Also would 
consider a 62cm Atlantis MIT. Appreciate any information!
Randy

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[RBW] WTB Sam Hillborne 62cm Frameset 2TT

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This is my first post here, but have been lurking for several years. I have 
had contact with several of you on Instagram and find the Rivendell 
community helpful and friendly. In the past couple of years I have passed 
up several new or used Sams, but have decided now is the right time if I 
can find one. Prefer frameset, would entertain complete or partial build. I 
also prefer canti or V brakes, but would consider others. Thank you for the 
time.
Randy Larson

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