Re: [Rosegarden-user] a few newbie questions

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:05:13 -0400
Andrew Kilpatrick  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm trying to get familiar with Rosegarden but can't figure out a few 
> things. If someone can help out that would be great! I'm running 17.04 
> on Linux Mint - built from source.
> 
> 1. MIDI clock sending - I turned it on in the MIDI Sync panel but no 
> clock ticks are sent during playback. I could find no mention of this in 
> the manual.
> 
> 2. WAV file location - I would like to keep WAV files with my project 
> somehow but they go into the $HOME/rosegarden directory. How can I 
> change this?

There's probably a 'proper' way to do this, but I just close Rosegarden, then
move all the files into the dsame directory as the .rg file. Next time you open
it seems to find them OK, and also then saves any future files there.

> 3. Themes? I like the simple UI, but the colours are a bit bright for my 
> dark studio. Is there a pref file I can modify to tone things down a bit?
> 
> So far I really love this program... the notation editor and strong 
> support for hardware MIDI are awesome!
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andrew
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings

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On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 18:16:14 +0100
chuck elliot via Rosegarden-user  wrote:

> Mystery solved! 
> The Korg-M3-GM device is not used in this composition
> but all of the unused RG tracks had defaulted to this device
> so RG was sending out a set of PCs for this device after
> the set for the EDS device. As both are connected to the
> same physical device (midi port), the second set were
> overwriting the first. I don't know where the particular
> GM instrument numbers were coming from (default device?) 
> but they were not relevant to the composition in any case.

Ah yes! Been caught out that way myself :(

> Deleting the GM device resolved the issue and the piece
> now plays properly under v17.12.
> 
> In future, if I have multiple M3 devices connected I will
> ensure that any spare RG tracks are deleted or set to a null device.
> 
> Thanks for all the help. RG is a fantastic resource.
> 
> If anyone reading this thread is interested in hearing the
> piece concerned it is my rendition of a track from Frank Zappa's
> 'Hot Rats' album from 1969 (little Umbrellas).
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-869419971/little-umbrellas
> 
> Chuck.

Nice work. Lots of detail in this.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quiet here

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On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 11:18:58 -0400
Ted Felix <t...@tedfelix.com> wrote:

> On 07/13/2017 03:26 PM, Abrolag via Rosegarden-user wrote:
> > Anything new on the horizon?  
> 
>I'm near the end of a rewrite of the Audio Mixer Window.  You can 
> find it over on github:
> 
> https://github.com/tedfelix/rosegarden/tree/amw
> 
>However, my daughter just broke her wrist, so I don't have a lot of 
> time for rg right now.  Should be back soon.
> 
> Ted.
Ouch! Commiserations with young miss Felix.

Of course, family comes first.

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[Rosegarden-user] Quiet here

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Anything new on the horizon?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Uninstall 16.06 before installing 17.04

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On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:48:23 -0400
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> I am officially retiring to an advisory position.  This news should 
> neither shock nor sadden anyone, because it is merely an admission of 
> what already happened long ago.  Over time, I have had to work more 
> hours, and I have also picked up more hobbies.  Rosegarden got squeezed 
> out, and I just couldn't maintain any standard of quality in my work here.

Thanks for looking after Rosegarden for all this time, Michael. It's greatly
appeciated in the 'folderol' zone!

Just to add a little perspective, I just checked, and there are over 230
Rosegarden projects in my DAW, most of which I created while you were at the
helm.

So, just cos you're stepping back, don't be a stranger :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 17.04, codename "Twice in a Blue Moon" RELEASED

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On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:14:25 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

> ROSEGARDEN 17.04, codename "Twice in a Blue Moon" RELEASED
> 
> The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 17.04 of 
> Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor for 
> Linux.
> 
> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

Congratulations on this release. It's very easy to fail to realise just how
many improvements there have been when they come a few at a time, but a big
thankyou to all of you who have kept my absolute fave sequencer alive!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden - Yoshimi issue

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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:51:54 -0400
David Tisdell  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I recently switched over to Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS and added UbuntuStudio.
> I am running Rosegarden 15.12 and Yoshimi 1.3.8.2
> I have used Rosegarden and ZynAddsubfx/Yoshimi for years and have never run
> into this before.
> I can go into Yoshimi and set the sounds I want to use but when I hit play
> in Rosegarden, it is as if it gets a Midi signal to change sounds and
> starts using sounds I did not select. For the moment, what I have been
> doing is setting up Yoshimi the way I want and then saving the state. I put
> some empty space at the beginning of Rosegarden and after hitting play, I
> load the saved state from Yoshimi.
> I have experimented with the MIDI setting in Yoshimi, trying to tell it to
> ignore change bank messages but to no avail. I have never run into this
> before and am not sure if Rosegarden is sending a signal that I don't want
> or if it is entirely a yoshimi problem.
> Any thoughts on how to prevent this from happening?  Loading the saved
> state after hitting play works but is cumbersome.
> Thanks.
> 
> Dave

Are you able to compile the software yourself?
If so both rosegarden and Yoshimi have been *much* changed and improved over
the last 18 months or so.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Something completely different

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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 23:17:47 -0500
"D. Michael McIntyre" <rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/02/2017 02:49 PM, Abrolag wrote:
> 
> > Last year a fellow soundcloud musician, RustyStringz, sent me an audio 
> > track of
> > himself singing and playing guitar. He asked if I'd like to add anything to 
> > it.
> > Well it wasn't until the Christmas break I actually had time to sit down an 
> > try
> > to get into the 'zone'.  
> 
> It took almost two full months for me work my way around to listening to 
> this, but it was worth the wait.  That's really nice!
> 
Pleased you like it Michael. I'll pass that on to Ged :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Xruns on close - not anymore :)

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On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:20:43 +0100
Yves Guillemot  wrote:

> Le lundi 6 février 2017, 13:12:36 D. Michael McIntyre a écrit :
> > 
> > Anyway Will, I will definitely agree with you that looking at this crap
> > every time I close Rosegarden is getting on my nerves too:
> > 
> > terminate called after throwing an instance of
> > 'Jack::JackTemporaryException'
> >what():  
> 
> Some destructors was never called when exiting RG.
> Consequently, the jack client was not closed cleanly.
> 
> This should be fixed in rev. 14981.
> 
> I was unable to get reproducible xruns. So I dont' know if they are fixed.
> 
> Yves

SUCCESS!

A nice clean exit, even with jack set at just 16 frames/period.

Thanks a lot. Very much appreciated.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Xruns on close

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 13:12:36 -0500
"D. Michael McIntyre" <rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02/04/2017 04:32 PM, Abrolag wrote:
> 
> > I thought I'd see if I could work anything out myself, but after 3-4 hours 
> > of
> > looking over the code, I still didn't have any idea how all the bits link
> > together :(  
> 
> I've never gotten anywhere with sequencer/audio stuff myself.
> 
> > Is it possible to discover who wrote the original code, and maybe gently 
> > tweak
> > their nose? Failing that, are there any other devs who might take a look at 
> > it?  
> 
> It was probably Richard Bown or Chris Cannam, neither of whom has been 
> active here in a number of years.

Oh, shame :(

> Did you ever file a bug report?  Ted Felix will tackle just about 
> anything if there is enough interest, but he loses track of email 
> easily.  He's basically the only guy I know with sufficient skill to 
> have a hope of getting into the head of the developers.  That code uses 
> a million deprecated things anyway, and should probably be on the 
> schedule for a big cleanup.

Yes. here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1491/

> It could also be argued we should just eliminate audio and synth plugins 
> entirely.  Now that I've been using REAPER and the VST stuff on Windows, 
> I realize that there are dozens of missing features, like splitting 
> audio at the nearest zero crossing, crossfades, smooth management of 
> takes, and on and on.

Personally I'd be rather unhappy if that was done. I've got about 40 files with
mixed audio and MIDI tracks.

> I can finally understand why Richard just ditched the audio features in 
> his Windows fork.  We're not a lot more sophisticated than Audacity, but 
> we're a lot harder to get up and running than Audacity.

Just the ability to playback an audio track at the same time as recording MIDI
is incredibly useful

> I could go either way on that one.  If I had a usable mixer for my damn 
> audio interface so I could use it with Linux, I might not be above 
> adding some of those features and making our audio side useful.  No 
> chance of that happening though.  That mixer is complicated, my time is 
> extremely limited, etc.
> 
> Anyway Will, I will definitely agree with you that looking at this crap 
> every time I close Rosegarden is getting on my nerves too:
> 
> terminate called after throwing an instance of 
> 'Jack::JackTemporaryException'
>what():

Well I shan't hold my breath, but just give a hopeful wave occasionally :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Xruns on close

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On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:08:04 -0400
"D. Michael McIntyre" <rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/16/2016 04:22 PM, Abrolag wrote:
> 
> > I put a report about this on the bug list some time ago. Is there any 
> > chance of
> > this getting some love?  
> 
> I have no idea how to help you man.  It's that simple.

I thought I'd see if I could work anything out myself, but after 3-4 hours of
looking over the code, I still didn't have any idea how all the bits link
together :(

Once again, I'm hoping to run a workshop at this year's LAC, and using
Rosegarden for demo work is *much* easier for me than any of the alternatives.
I would very much like to get through an entire session without any Xruns at
all - adds a touch of class.

Is it possible to discover who wrote the original code, and maybe gently tweak
their nose? Failing that, are there any other devs who might take a look at it?

Very many moons ago we had the same problem with Yoshimi, which turned out to
be two threads not being propperly joined when exiting, so maybe this is a
similar issue.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Recent files

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On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:47:39 -0500
"D. Michael McIntyre" <rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/08/2017 03:48 PM, Abrolag wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way to increase the number of memorised ones. I could idealy do
> > with about twice as many as Rosegarden currently supports.
> 
> I went from having no clue how that worked to committing the change in 
> under 5 minutes.  I set it at 20.
> 
Wow!
That was incredibly fast work. Thanks a lot Michael.

Compiling as I write :)

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[Rosegarden-user] Recent files

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Is there any way to increase the number of memorised ones. I could idealy do
with about twice as many as Rosegarden currently supports.

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[Rosegarden-user] Something completely different

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Last year a fellow soundcloud musician, RustyStringz, sent me an audio track of
himself singing and playing guitar. He asked if I'd like to add anything to it.
Well it wasn't until the Christmas break I actually had time to sit down an try
to get into the 'zone'.

Eventually things came together and here is a link to the final recording.

https://soundcloud.com/soft-sounds/scarborough-fair-feat-rustysrtingz

I loaded the audio into Rosegarden, then played against that going from
keyboard to Rosegarden as MIDI and from there to Yoshimi building up a total of
4 MIDI tracks.

The actual recording was made in one pass with Rosegarden's audio and Yoshimi
being fed to Timemachine (a nice lightweight recorder). Final top-n-tail was
done in Audacity.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The Over-Educated Trucker Blues

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 02:26:41 -0500
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> I used Rosegarden to make a notation cheat sheet for this one.  All the 
> audio was recorded and diddled in REAPER.  The Over-Educated Trucker 
> Blues is my current high water mark as an artist, my chef d'oeuvre.  I 
> play bass, drums, rhythm guitar, lead guitar, trumpet, and I sing the 
> story of my life in this one.
> 
> https://youtu.be/JV2tBDKbIoU
> 
Well it took a while to get round to this, but it's great. A 'spit 'n sawdust'
song that's a welcome change from all the processed to perfection 'formula'
stuff the music industry pumps out.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Play function doesn't work anymore

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On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:00:13 +
"J.P. Morris"  wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 21:37:38 -0200
> "Fernando A. Martin"  wrote:
> 
> If anyone's posted an update on this, I've missed it.
> I've upgraded the kernel to 4.8.7 and this appears to have fixed
> the regressions.  Rosegarden is happy now.
> 
> The changelog for 4.8.7 includes the following:
> 
> "The recent rewrite of the sequencer time accounting using timespec64
>  in the commit [3915bf294652: ALSA: seq_timer: use monotonic times
>  internally] introduced a bad regression.  Namely, the time reported
>  back doesn't increase but goes back and forth.
> 
>   The culprit was obvious: the delta is stored to the result (cur_time =
>   delta), instead of adding the delta (cur_time += delta)!
> 
>   Let's fix it."


It's almost reassuring that the 'big boys' can make such an obvious typo.

I needed that :¬)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Basic Midi Set up

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:17:40 -0600
John A  wrote:

> I managed to get the following instructions to work, and have 
> successfully set up the Korg Triton as a MIDI device. I can now select 
> the KT programs directly from within RG, and it all works great, except 
> for two problems.
> 
> 1.) The device doesn't save. I have to set it up again every time I open 
> RG, unless I open a particular file I have saved with this device. Is 
> there any way to make this device available be default for all new files?
> 
> 2.) Drum programs have this weird annoying doubling. Ted Felix suggested 
> that it could be a "local on/off" problem, and sent me a link to the 
> following article: 
> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:using_thru_routing. I looked 
> through this, and tweaked settings both on the Korg and in RG, and I 
> can't seem to fix it. It happens with local control on and with it off, 
> and only on drum programs. Every other program works fine. This problem 
> makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I am totally stumped on what to 
> even try; I can't find anything that all these programs have in common, 
> other than that they are drum programs. Any ideas on this?
> 
> Thanks in advance!

Set it up as you want then from the top menu bar:

Studio -> Save Current Document as Default Studio

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] McIntyre rocking out with himself

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On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 20:48:37 -0500
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> I was just talking about how bleak my life is, and I never do music. 
> Well, I threw this together today.  No MIDI, this is my sweet acoustic 
> drum kit, my sweet Ibanez bass, and my trusty ol' Squier strat that I 
> never bothered to upgrade to a real electric, with my Roland Cube amps 
> on bass and guitar.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcJvftJP0jM

I think the term is "Controlled Aggression" :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] No sounds in editors on some MIDI files

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On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 00:46:55 +0100
Marko Randjelovic  wrote:

> There are MIDI files where when I load them in Rosegarden, open any segment
> in any editor, when click on piano or adding notes, no sound is heard. When
> click at play button, composition is is playing without problems.

How are you loading these files?
Are you using the 'Open' command or the 'Import' one?

If you are trying to directly open them you may do better if you start with the
default studio then import the midi file.

It is a long time since I've handled midi files, as I always work directly with
Rosegarden so can't really offer much more help.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Opening MIDI file sets MIDI devices to "no port"

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On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 00:04:33 +0100
Marko Randjelovic  wrote:

> There are MIDI files that will always set to "no port".

Why not just change the ports to the ones you want then re-save as a Rosegarden
file. They will then be remembered.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Play function doesn't work anymore

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On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 15:40:07 +0200
Yves Guillemot  wrote:

> Le samedi 22 octobre 2016, 10:02:10 Fernando A. Martin a écrit :
> > I'm using rosegarden + alsa + timidity. I tried all the PCM... options and
> > the cursor moves during playback but no sound is played (except the first
> > note of the measure where the cursor was when I hit play).
> > So the PCM... options solve the issue that the cursor doesn't move during
> > playback but create another that is the issue that the cursor moves but no
> > sound is played.  
> 
> I confirm the issue with kernel 4.8.3.
> Notes are played while entered in the notation editor, but there is no more 
> sound while playing the composition.
> 
> This is noticeable using timidity, fluidsynth or even an external h/w midi 
> synth.
> 
> I presume this is coming from some change in the alsa sequencer.
> 
> Yves

I can't see it being an ALSA issue if the soundcard timer works OK.

A quick search online reveals that there have been changes in the kernel
timers, and there may be an outstanding bug.

Personally I'm sticking with 4.6.4 as this is the last one debian supplied
with an RT alternative (and I'm too lazy to recompile it myself).

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Play function doesn't work anymore

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 22:09:21 -0200
"Fernando A. Martin"  wrote:

> Good and bad news:
> Some minutes after writing this message I recalled that recently I updated
> my linux kernel to 4.8.3. Then I removed kernel 4.8.3 and went back to
> kernel 4.7.5. Now Rosegarden is able to play correctly again.
> It's nice to have things working again but it seems that something in the
> newest linux kernels are breaking the play function of rosegarden. Can
> anyone else test this? If it's true, can developers do something to make
> rosegarden play function work with new linux kernels?
> Thanks.

Agree with Michael. This is almost certainly the timer source. I find the most
reliable (and accurate) is the soundcard one. Look for something like
"PCM playback 0-0-0"

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] General Midi Program change start [WAS]: Re: among 19 tracks rosegarden leaves randomly some without sound

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:32:47 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 26/08/2016 09:28, Abrolag wrote:
>  > On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 23:24:23 -0400
>  > Ted Felix <t...@tedfelix.com> wrote:  
>  >>Program numbers start at 1 for the user and start at 0 under the
>  >> covers, so mistakes are easy to make.  I'm guessing the MIDI file was
>  >> generated by a program that didn't subtract one from the program number
>  >> before saving.  
>  >
>  > I can never understand why the convention became that program and channel
>  > numbers start from one, but banks and CCs start from zero :(  
> 
> Historically I think its due to program changes being controlled from 
> hardware though number selection (e.g. my Yamaha keyboard used 1 ~ 128). 
> Most controllers would usually be controlled by hardware (pedals, 
> wheels, knobs) and therefore on a keyboard you wouldn't usually input a 
> controller change numerically as a number.
> 
> Lorenzo.

I hadn't thought of it like that. You're probably right.
It doesn't make it any less irritating though :p

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] among 19 tracks rosegarden leaves randomly some without sound

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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 23:24:23 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:
>Program numbers start at 1 for the user and start at 0 under the 
> covers, so mistakes are easy to make.  I'm guessing the MIDI file was 
> generated by a program that didn't subtract one from the program number 
> before saving.

I can never understand why the convention became that program and channel
numbers start from one, but banks and CCs start from zero :(

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Cross-platform Rosegarden

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On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 16:05:53 -0400
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> When I got into acoustic drums, I ended up with an audio interface that 
> is only useful on Windows or OS-X.  I'm not paying what they want for a 
> Mac, and that is how I came to be running Windows for audio recording.
> 
> Since I finally had to break down and buy a Windows machine, I have been 
> working on a side project with Richard Bown to take Rosegarden 
> cross-platform.
> 
> The objective is a Rosegarden that can compile and run usefully on 
> Linux, Windows, and hopefully OS-X, using the same codebase for all 
> platforms, and with centrally managed, regular releases.
> 
> After some initial work that was good for other platforms at the expense 
> of being too destructive to Linux, I am taking a hard look at switching 
> from ALSA to RtMidi, which Richard reports as "just about" recording and 
> playing MIDI in the original Windows fork.
> 
> I haven't begun on any of this yet, but it does look encouraging. 
> RtMidi can use JACK MIDI or ALSA, in that order, which addresses all of 
> the users who wish we had JACK MIDI support.
> 
> The plan I am currently sketching out is to switch Rosegarden over to 
> RtMidi on Linux, get that working, and then the resulting Rosegarden 
> will be easier to port to other platforms.  This removes the biggest 
> dependency that is absolutely Linux-specific.
> 
> Before I really dive into pulling all of this together, I thought it 
> would be appropriate to see how both the developer and user communities 
> feel about all this.
> 
> In the meantime, I'm off to see the new Star Trek movie in IMAX.

How does this behave WRT existing software destinations, and multiple hardware
MIDI I/O ports?

My usual setup is 2 MIDI hardware inputs, 3 hardware outputs (two keyboards and
a sound canvas), and a variable number of software MIDI destinations, some of
which are ALSA only, some are switchable for either ALSA or Jack.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Zynaddsubfx not visivle as MIDI device

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On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 08:39:37 +0200 (CEST)
Holger Marzen  wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016, Simon wrote:
> 
> > I was using the software synth Zynaddsubfx a lot, controlled by
> > Rosegarden. Now I don't see it as a midi device, and I also can't
> > connect it with Qjackctl. This problem just came up. I didn't do
> > anything with these programs for a while, so I'm wondering if it's
> > related to any updates?
> > Is anybody using Zynaddsubfx together with Rosegarden? What could went
> > wrong?  
> 
> Rosegarden speaks ALSA-MIDI.
> If your Zynaddsubfx speaks JACK-MIDI then you need a bridge between
> those two MIDI-worlds: a2j_control start

Zyn is switchable either way. See menu item NewIO

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New(ish) lock feature.

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:01:20 -0400
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> On 06/27/2016 06:51 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
> > On 06/27/2016 02:28 AM, Johan Vromans wrote:  
> 
> >> Unless I didn't get the story well, why not use the standard technique
> >> to write the process id in the lock file, and remove and existing lock file
> >> when the associated process is no longer there?  
> >
> > So long as the hostnames match, this sounds like it might work.  
> 
> I don't think either one of us ever thought of that.  It does sound 
> promising.
> 

Certainly looks interest. I'd never have thought of that either.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New(ish) lock feature.

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On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 11:46:05 -0400
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> On 06/26/2016 06:44 AM, Yves Guillemot wrote:
> 
> > If there is only one user on this computer and if the RG files are stored 
> > on a
> > local file system it should be a safe workaround to add in .bash_profile
> > something like:
> > find ~ -name ".~lock.*.rg#" | xargs rm -f  
> 
> I have an ancient laptop at my drum kit that I use to ssh -X into my 
> main box from across the room.  I can have the same .rg file open on the 
> same filesystem on the same computer as the same user.
> 
> When I started this conversation, I could edit the file from either 
> console, and it was tricky to keep up with which changes had been saved 
> where.
> 
> That's the problem lock files were trying to solve, and they succeeded. 
>   Now we have the new problem of how to deal with them when a lock file 
> gets left behind for some reason.
> 
> Deleting lockfiles at login won't suffice.  Deleting lock files at 
> startup would work if the instance starting is the only instance and the 
> filesystem is NOT networked.
> 
> A handy ignore button is probably the most reasonable thing to offer so 
> users can deal with the issue with minimal irritation.  Maybe a smart 
> ignore button that at least checks for likely suspects before presenting 
> itself.  Is this the only instance?  Is this a local only filesystem? 
> Yes and yes?  Show ignore button.
> 
> Thinking on the fly.  Big day today.
> 

I'm steadily more inclined to think a time based solution would be most
reliable. If the time entry is always being updated by the instance holding the
lock (even if it's only on an hourly basis) anything more than a couple of
hours old must be an ophaned one.

The only time I can foresee a problem is if files on a single server are being
access by machines set to wildly different times, but if that was the case I
would expect the users to have a lot of other time based problems!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New(ish) lock feature.

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:57:59 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 06/24/2016 12:53 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
> > Try doing the same with LibreOffice.  E.g. open a Writer document,
> > then do a shutdown without closing the app.  Do they leave a lock file
> > around?  
> 
>The answer is "yes".  LibreOffice does the same thing.  At least we 
> aren't any worse.
> 
> Ted.

And nowhere near as bad as Firefox :p

However you'll be pleased to know I regard Rosegarden as far more important
than either of those :)


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Yoshimi device file? [WAS]: Re: Bug or feature?

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On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:34:29 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 06/17/2016 05:12 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> > Well here's my go at it:  
> 
>Thanks.  We'll have a look and add it to Rosegarden's collection of 
> device files.
> 
> Ted.

Had a quick look at this - seems fine to me.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Yoshimi device file? [WAS]: Re: Bug or feature?

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:37:06 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> >
> > Cool.. Where does yoshimi pick the bank number (e.g. Arpeggios -> 5,
> > Bass -> 10).. It seems *almost* alphabetical with the exception of chip.
> > Actually it would be nice to have a script which could generate the rdg
> > file on a user's system :)  
> 
> Never mind... I figured it out: it's generated depending on the number 
> of banks..
> 
> Misc/Bank.cpp:size_t idStep = (size_t)128 / (bankDirsMap.size() + 2);
> 
> I was confused because "chip" came last, but that's because it's 
> lowercase vs all the other banks.
> 
> This means that probably one could do a script which generates a rgd 
> file given a yoshimi bank root directory (at least the banks part)... :)
> 
> Lorenzo

I'm back :)
The bad news is that this time next week I'll be down one wisdom tooth :(

NEway

Quite correct, but maybe I should make more fuss about yoshimi's "doc"
directory. There's a very detailed explanation of the root/bank/instrument
structure there in a text file called banks.txt :)

In short, Rosegarden is probably best off ignoring root and bank IDs, and using
just the installed location, simply taking the bank directory names. The
Instrument IDs however are an integral part of the filename so must be included.

The clever thing about the way this is structured is that adding new roots or
banks will never change the IDs of the existing ones (unless you lose
your .config/yoshimi/yoshimi.banks file somehow) and that is aimed purely at
those wanting to make bank and program changes via MIDI.

Also, the user can reorder roots and banks with new IDs without modifying
the directories/files themselves.

However, I have no intention of increasing the number of default banks so they
shouldn't change anyway.

Now I don't know if all that makes things simpler or more complicated.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Yoshimi device file? [WAS]: Re: Bug or feature?

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:16:10 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 16/06/2016 02:13, Ted Felix wrote:
> > On 06/15/2016 06:51 PM, Abrolag wrote:  
> >> On the next startup, if I start Yoshimi first, Rosegarden connects and 
> >> resets
> >> most of the controls to (now) wrong values. Changing bank root was a 
> >> particular
> >> problem (now pretty much resolved) because it then meant Yoshimi was 
> >> pointing to
> >> completely the wrong patches.  
> >
> >Rosegarden provides support for (and works best with) device files.
> > These contain lists of banks and programs and allow Rosegarden to
> > control synths.  Without a proper device file for Yoshimi, Rosegarden
> > will make a mess of things, sending whatever bank select and program
> > changes are in whatever device file you are using.  This is what is
> > causing trouble.
> >
> >You need a Yoshimi.rgd device file.  I've started working on one
> > based on the banks/programs that were installed for me with Yoshimi.  So
> > far, I have the Arpeggios, Bass, Brass, and Drums banks entered.  With
> > this, RG and Yoshimi get along just fine for me.
> >  

Hmmm, now you mention it I dimly remember something about this from about 10
years ago! :o

> I think one could automatize that a with a (python) script. If I recall 
> correctly rgd is XML (any 'specification somewhere?), can't remember how 
> default yoshimi banks/programs are stored (files IIRC?)... I could have 
> a try at it if other considered it useful (I did use lxml quite a lot in 
> the past so I'm quite ok with working on XML...) :)
> 
> Lorenzo.

The default installed set are in /usr{/local}/share/yoshimi/banks and are normal
directories of banks with instrument files in them. All the instrument files
have a 4 digit number prefix.

Now I must go, I'm supposed to be several miles away in an hours time!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Bug or feature?

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On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:11:50 -0400
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> On 06/15/2016 03:14 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
> 
> > Those are in the "Instrument Parameters" box on the left side.  
> 
> If they're missing, it's because you don't have any banks/programs 
> defined in the studio.
> 
> > The idea behind sending this stuff out is that Rosegarden is in
> > control of bank/program/CCs.  So, it needs to send out something
> > initially to make sure everything is where it should be for the start of
> > the composition.  
> 
> Yup.  Theoretically, if you don't define anything in the studio, there 
> shouldn't be anything to set to a known state.  I would almost bet we 
> still set pan/volume/reverb/chorus for legacy reasons though.
> 
> 
> > I think it would be best for you to get me set up so that I can see
> > what you are talking about.  It all seems very strange to me right now.
> >It's not how I work with rg at all.  
> 
> Leave it to users to come up with weird stuff.  Especially THAT rascal. :-P
> 

Rascal indeed!

Actually, both my Mk1 Roland Soundcanvas and my Yamaha SY35 *do* remember
settings. They don't have MIDI controllable banks, but both remember last per
channel programs, volume & pan.

However, I mostly use Yoshimi these days, and 'state' on that preserves
*everything* including master volume, detune and scales.

I usually just load patch sets though, which are lighter weight but still have
all programs, volume, pan, brightness and part key shift. So that's my starting
point for a partly completed project.

When starting from scratch I will tend to use Rosegarden's controls to make
initial settings, and Yoshimi's for key shift and programs. As soon as I have
more than 3 or 4 tracks started I'll save Yoshimi's current patch set.

This is where the problems start.

On the next startup, if I start Yoshimi first, Rosegarden connects and resets
most of the controls to (now) wrong values. Changing bank root was a particular
problem (now pretty much resolved) because it then meant Yoshimi was pointing to
completely the wrong patches.

If instead I start up Rosegarden first, it doesn't see Yoshimi, so I have to
manually reconnect it. Now that last would seem to be the least problematical
way to start, but I quite often like to start Yoshimi by itself. It will then
automatically look for and connect to my keyboard, so  I can just pootle* about
for while and if inspiration strikes, start up Rosegarden and record.

Now I have no idea at all how typical that is (is there such a thing), but to
get things in perspective, I will say Rosegarden is much closer than any of the
other sequencers I've used. Without naming names, one of the LV2 ones is
particularly frustrating. It correctly does a complete state load... then
resets all the controllers to their 'defaults' :(

* "pootle" an arcane term used and understood only by the select few level 9
synthologists.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Looping

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On Sun, 15 May 2016 08:54:02 +0100
Mike Rose  wrote:

> Hi there
> A remember using Rosegarden many years ago now.
> I've followed developments. It's turned into a really good sequencer. 
> There are a lot of things I love about it..
> 
> One thing that stopped me using it concerned looping. I found it so 
> fiddly I gave up.
> IMO the ruler at the top of the screen is much too narrow vertically. 
> I've come back after many years and installed it and still see the same 
> thing is there. I wish there was a way of making the ruler a lot bigger 
> vertically.
> 
> In a lot of sequencers if you want to loop a section you just drag/draw 
> easily on the ruler and let go of the mouse and a couple of loop markers 
> are  created with automatic looping switched on. It makes looping a no 
> brainer.
> I reckon  Rosegarden would benefit from this.
> 
> Looping is  common activity in sequencers when you are building up a 
> track. I find I want to use the sequencer but this is a show stopper for me.
> 
> What do you think. It could just be me!
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
There is a sneaky way you can get effective looping of complete bars.

Once you've got the section you want to loop in place, highlight just that
segment and switch on repeat. Where you want the loop to stop, insert another
segment. An 'empty' segment will simply stop the loop, but if you highlight
that segment and switch on repeat, away you go again with just the new segment.

Put segments on different tracks and you can give them different loop times :)


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Bug or feature?

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On Thu, 12 May 2016 07:32:18 +0100
Abrolag <abro...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 May 2016 19:12:40 -0400
> Ted Felix <t...@tedfelix.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 05/04/2016 04:40 PM, Abrolag wrote:  
> > > Thanks Ted. I do appreciate that these things aren't as easy as they look 
> > > :(
> > 
> >Looks like bug #1516 might be fixed now.  Grab the latest svn and 
> > give it a whirl.
> > 
> > https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1516/
> > 
> > Ted.  
> 
> Thanks Ted. I just had a quick look at this on my office machine and it looks
> good :)
> 
> I'll do a more complete test this evening on my DAW.
> 

Ran a number of projects on this some with several bank/program and CC changes
across segments and tracks.

All behaved exactly as I wanted with changes only being made by the specific
commands in the files. :D

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Humanizing MIDI tracks

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:59:58 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> On 16/04/2016 16:59, Fernando A. Martin wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > 1 - For strumming arpeggiated chords: we can place each note of the
> > chord in a different segment and then set the delay of each segment. I
> > think this is faster than writing the whole chord in a single segment
> > and then changing the delay of each note individually.  
> 
> Not sure if this has been mentioned / is relevant, but in both matrix 
> and notation editors you can 'jog' (move in time) by 1/32 increments 
> selected notes with ALT + Right / ALT+Left - For certain scenarios this 
> (using the keyboard) could speed up adjusting note onsets e.g. creating 
> quick 'arpeggio' effects
> But of course YMMV :-)
> 
> Lorenzo.

You can also select and jog all the notes in a segment without changing the
segment's overall position - very useful for latency correction.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] File Locking

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On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 06:33:11 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 04/01/2016 03:49 AM, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
> > The only thing I'd suggest is that it might be handy to give the
> > location of the lock file.  
> 
>Absolutely.  It's actually in there.  I just removed it to focus the 
> discussion on the explanation.  It also displays the user/time/host that 
> created the lock so you can walk over to their "office" and ask if they 
> are really still working on that file from three days ago.  All of this 
> is also in the lock file as plain text so you can just "cat" it to 
> figure out what's going on.
> 
> Ted.
> 

Well that completely answers the questions I was going to ask! Good forward
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] NRPN support

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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 08:18:18 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

>It would be nice if there were a more direct way to insert NRPN 
> events.  The rulers and the event editor should directly support NRPN. 
> Again, a feature request will get this into the queue.
> 
> Ted.

Request (and suggestion) made :)

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[Rosegarden-user] Bug or feature?

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I suspect the former :(

The way to demonstrate it is:

Start a segment on (say) track one, record a bit then stop.
Go into the Event List Editor and put in a volume change near the start.
Start another segment on the same track after the end of the first one and
record on that.

Playback, without stopping, through a synth that shows volume levels.

You'll see the correct change in the first segment, but the second one will jump
to the track's default value. This applies to things like panning too.


This seems quite wrong to me, and caused me a lot of trouble until I had a
track with changes that were big enough for me to notice the fader move
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] NRPN support

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On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 08:50:43 -0400
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> On 03/17/2016 08:19 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
> 
> > On 03/17/2016 05:21 AM, Bric wrote:  
> >> what is the status of NRPN support in RG ?  
> >
> > There is no plan to support it since no one has opened a feature 
> > request.  
> 
> I directed him to ask the list, because I have vague recollections of 
> discussing this kind of thing, but I don't remember how it came out.  I 
> seem to remember saying it isn't possible, and somebody explained how 
> they were doing it.
> 
> We have some users who are far more clever with advanced MIDI nonsense 
> than I am.
> 
> Also, SysEx support appears to be utterly broken.  I'm investigating, 
> and will report back.
> 
It *is* effectively supported :)
Just break it down into individual controller values.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 16.02 RELEASED

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Delighted to see this :)

Thanks for all the work guys.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Soundcloud groups

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On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:10:32 -
r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

> > There is one for Rosegarden, but it seems I'm the only person adding to it
> > these days :(
> >
> > Come on people. Make like a crowd!
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> 
> Hi Will,
> 
> How about a URL for that?
> 
> 
> 

The Rosegarden group is:
https://soundcloud.com/groups/rosegarden

To post on it, you need to create an account with soundcloud, then when you
upload a track you have a choice of also joining a group.

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[Rosegarden-user] Soundcloud groups

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There is one for Rosegarden, but it seems I'm the only person adding to it
these days :(

Come on people. Make like a crowd!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Midi Mixer problem

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On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:46:35 -0500
Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 01/18/2016 02:43 PM, Home Stephens wrote:
> > Interestingly, both of my example files have a number of volume events
> > (type 7 I believe) throughout.  I would have thought that these should have
> > been type 11 expression events which is a percentage of volume.
> 
>Expression is used for performance things like string-swells, not for 
> mixing.
> 
>When going from one synth to another, it's not unusual to go through 
> and redo all three of the dynamics-related MIDI events:
> 
> 1. Velocity (in the note-on/note-off's)
> 2. Volume (CC)
> 3. Expression (CC)
> 
>It's just the nature of MIDI.  And it can be quite a mess.
> 
>I believe rg offers rulers to ease volume and expression tweaking. 
> Not sure about velocity.
> 
> Ted.


Just poking my nose in here :)

Velocity can really catch you out. A good synth will change the timbre as
well as the volume depending on key velocity.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Holger's suggestion

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:37:28 +0100 (CET)
Holger Marzen  wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016, Leszek Wroński wrote:
> 
> > Thank you very much again. Indeed Rosegarden displays a warning and tells
> > me to run 'sudo modprobe snd-rtctimer'. Unfortunately, I don't have that
> > module. I ran 'sudo modprobe snd-hrtimer' instead, but the warning still
> > appears. The 'details' section informs me "WARNING: using system timer with
> > only 250Hz resolution!"
> 
> That means that you use a standard kernel, not a low latency kernel.
> There are 3 classes of kernels:
> 
> - standard for servers and desktops, usually with 250 HZ
> - lowlatency kernels, usually with 1000 HZ
> - realtime kernel, rocket science from outer space
> 
> Realtime kernels may be the kernels of choice when seeking for lowest
> possible latencies for live use with a superfast interface.
> 
> I use and recommend lowlatency kernels. No rocket science. Just install
> a lowlatency kernel. It's usually in the repository of your distribution
> with "lowlatency" in its name.
> 
> Install, boot this kernel, enjoy.

You can still get very good results if you point Rosegarden's timer to your
soundcard, which *will* be a high resolution time source.
e.g. HW:PCH

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] problem with basic functionality (tracks, instruments, ZynAddSubFX connection)

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:55:30 -0500

> With ZynAddSubFX, there is (or was, and probably still isn't) anything 
> to import.  It doesn't understand program changes, full stop, so the 
> only way to control what track plays what is by assigning the channel, 
> which is the same thing as the instrument number, #1, #2, #3, and so 
> forth.  (Make sure channel remains set to [Fixed], for reasons I won't 
> take time to explain at this time.)

To be fair, Zyn does now understand program changes, but *only* for parts that
have been previously enabled.

However, their management of bank changes is not MIDI standard.

At the risk of bringing down the wrath of (many) gods on my head. Yoshimi gets
that bit completely right - it may have a different set of wrong 'uns :)

Disclaimer:
I'm the lead developer for Yoshimi.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] File Open Crash: gnome_vfs_mime_get_value (fwd)

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On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 07:28:19 -0500
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> On 01/03/2016 05:52 AM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > I noticed that the GTK+ theme lets Rosegarden crash. Qtractor works fine
> > with it.
> 
> Qtractor writes uncompressed XML.  Rosegarden writes XML compressed with 
> gzip, using zlib.  The zlib library was the root of the crash you 
> discovered.

I remember we had this same issue with Yoshimi at one time so went to
uncompressed XML, but I've not seen this issue for quite a long time. We now
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 15.12 RELEASED

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:32:09 -0500
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> == ROSEGARDEN 15.12, codename "Peace" RELEASED ==
> 
> The Rosegarden team is pleased to announce the release of version 15.12 
> of Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor 
> for Linux.
> 
> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
> 
> Rosegarden rounds out 2015 with a new CMake build system and several bug 
> fixes contributed by David Faure of KDE.  The new build system preserves 
> the best features of the previous system, while adding out-of-source 
> builds, and the ability to compile with Qt 4 or Qt 5.  (Qt 5 builds are 
> functional, but do have some problems.  We encourage you to give a Qt 5 
> build a try and report bugs, but package maintainers and production 
> users should stick with Qt 4 for the time being.)

Thanks for the New Year's present. I shall unwrap it soon :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A funny thing happened - update.

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Well this has proved rather interesting.

Yoshimi is now immune to this issue. We found one thing we had not done but
aught to have done, and one that we had done but aught not to have :)

We also found an unrelated bug that goes back many years - before Yoshi was
forked from Zyn!

Having said that, why does Rosegarden want to set all channel bank MSBs to 0
*except* 10 which it sets to 1?

Also, is there any chance of someone having the time to apply the thinning
shears to all those duplicate commands?

Ho hum, just had a request for a change. It makes a lot of sense but...

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[Rosegarden-user] Happy dance :)

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I've just discovered that a long lost feature in the matrix editor is back.
Wooo!

You can again select groups of notes and with the velocity editor open, drag
their levels up and down as a block :)

Added to this, if you select a note you can then drag it up and down even if it
is lower than the others (it used to jump to another overlapping one).

To me this is a dramatic improvement.

Would you please shout about these things more :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] RoseGarden with Plug-Ins -- stability

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 06:41:15 -0500
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:
 
> They say music and math and language and math and programming and math 
> all go around together hand in hand singing campfire songs, but I do 
> what I do in all three areas with just about enough math to fill a good 
> sized thimble.

You've been reading my notes again, haven't you :)

Mathematically I fly on a wing and a prayer - sometimes it's just the prayer :o

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A funny thing happened on the way to...

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On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:05:04 -0500
Ted Felix  wrote:
>There are no timing requirements for CC's and PC's in the MIDI spec 
> (other than that PC's should be sent "immediately" after bank selects). 
>   It's incumbent upon the receiver to handle anything that might be 
> thrown at it.
> 
> Ted.

Sorry I was so abrupt Ted - I really need to go and have a cup of coffee or
something before posting :o

I take your points on the others, but in this case, where do you draw the line?
When the MIDI spec was written program changes were just a ROM pointer change,
and couldn't possibly be less than a millisecond apart.

Still, we've improved the situation for Yoshimi even in this extreme case and
no doubt will improve it further.


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[Rosegarden-user] Yoshimi and Rosegarden - fun times.

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Yoshimi can have up to 64 parts. By default these are wraped around the normal
MIDI channels, so 1, 17, 33 & 49 all respond to channel 1 messages. This was
originally implemented for Vector Control, working with up to four sounds on a
channel (similar to the Yamaha SY hardware series).

However, these have other less obvious uses. One of these is getting far more
than 16 completely independent tracks addressed by just the 16 channels. Most
tunes run with instruments having a relatively narrow pitch range, and this is
what we can make use of.

As an example, in Yoshimi's main window select 64 parts, then on part 1 set
(say) Steel Bass and maximum note as 52 (E).

Next select part 17 and enable it (easiest to use the mixer panel for this) set
Tunnel Piano, the *minimum* note as 53 and maximum as 71 (B).

Finally, enable part 33, set Rushes and set it's minimum note as 72, but key
shift down an octave.

With a 61 note keyboard that gives you quite a useful working range, on just
one channel.

However, the idea really comes into its own with a sequencer like Rosegarden
where you can record multiple parts over the full MIDI range and track them to
the same channel. Also, in Rosegarden the parts can be separately named, and
identified as Bass and Treble in the notation editor. This makes it very
convenient for those wanting a more formal musical layout.

So, with very little effort you can now have 48 tracks playing at once!

Ummm, you do need a decent processor though :)

Yes, I know you could run more instances of Yoshimi on different MIDI ports, but
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB audio interface

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For what it's worth, I've been using a Komplete Audio KA6 for some time with
no problems at all. It is USB2 class compliant and 'just works' (tm)

It has 6 channels in and 6 out, one pair being SPDIF. Also 2 of the inputs are
combined XLR/jack Mic/Instrument ones. All the analog I/O is balanced.

Finally there is a switchable headphone monitor.


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[Rosegarden-user] Bank change - again :(

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Rosegarden is still making a mess of this on loading a standard MIDI file.

Please don't try to interpret these. If you get a CC, *any* CC just bung it out
*exactly* as you found it.

I send 0-9 followed by 32-105

I get 0-9, 32-9

Later I send 32-110 by itself
I get 32-255

Later still I send 32-105 again

I get 32-255

WTF!!!

While I'm in rant mode, is there any way to permanently disable that 'auto'
channel feature? I've never wanted it, but I can't count the number of times I
forget about it and wonder why I'm getting no response :(

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[Rosegarden-user] An oddity!

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At startup, and when loading new files, Rosegarden sends a 'reset all' message.
Is there any way to stop this?

The particular scenario that had me puzzled for a while is as follows:

I have a Yoshimi file with a set of voice parameters and a Rosegarden one with
a complete song project

I load up Yoshimi and open its mixer panel. The instruments are there but all
the volume and pan setting are the defaults.

I load up Rosegarden and see all the sliders move to the positions as set by
Rosegarden, but then instantly revert to the defaults!

If I run exactly the same files on a different (older) architecture the setting
are correct.

Has the order of these setting in Rosegarden changed at some point or possibly,
are they so close together that some timing issue in the machine can swap them
over?

My workaound at the moment is to duplicate the controls at the start of each
track (I always start at bar 2 to give me some wiggle room). 

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!

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On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:16:06 -0400
Ted Felix t...@tedfelix.com wrote:

 On 06/13/2015 10:58 AM, Abrolag wrote:
  At startup, and when loading new files, Rosegarden sends a 'reset all' 
  message.
  Is there any way to stop this?
 
It looks like ChannelManager::setControllers() might be the one doing 
 this.  Are you using the auto channel feature?  This appears in the 
 Channel field in the Instrument Parameters box for each instrument. 
 If so, try setting the channel to fixed (for each track/instrument) 
 and see if that clears it up.
 
If you need the auto channel feature and the above clears the problem 
 up, then this might be an auto channel bug.
 
 Ted.

Hi Ted (that was quick!)

No, it's on fixed. I always use that, in fact I have that as my default studio
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] help needed with setting up a special case of rosegarden

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On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 19:14:59 +0100
stephen stevecook172...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hello Folks. Steve Cook here:
 
 I am currently running Ubuntu Studio and need some help with adjusting a 
 midi/audio setup that involves the use of QJackCTL, Qsynth, VMPK and 
 Rosegarden.
 
 My current setup is as follows:
 
 http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae67/stevecook172001/current-rosegarden-setup_zpswhmrjbx5.jpg
 
 All of the above components are connected together using QJackCTL. The 
 way they work is: a midi tune is loaded into rosegarden and played. The 
 midi signals are first sent to VMPK, which displays which notes are 
 being pressed as the tune progresses. However, VMPK also passes these 
 midi signals through to Qsynth, Which, in turn, passes them to the 
 system speakers. Thus, the tune is heard throuigh the system speakers in 
 correct time with the keys that are being depressed in VMPk. Meanwhile, 
 I also have my real world external midi keyboard controller attached to 
 VMPK via Qjackctl. This allows me to press the keys on my controller and 
 have these key depressions appear on VMPK as well as have them also 
 passed onto Qsynth and then onto the system speakers. This means I can 
 simply follow what I am seeing on VMPK, in terms of input from 
 Rosegarden, on my midi controller. If I press the same keys on my midi 
 controller as are initially being pumped to VMPK from Rosegarden, the 
 midi song will sound in tune. If I do not, then it will sound out of 
 tune and I will be able to immediately auditorily (as well as visually) 
 recognize that. In short, then, this system allows me to learn a tune by 
 seeing and copying instead of having to read music.
 
 I have made a video of the above setup on You-Tube for a fellow user on 
 another forum. So, it might help to more easily understand my setup by 
 viewing it:
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRpDbe5hQJE (I am running Ubuntu Mate 
 over the top of Ubuntu Studio in this video, just in case you were 
 wondering).
 
 Okay, having explained all of the above, I now need to explain what am 
 trying to do with it in terms of extending it's functionality. My 
 proposed setup is:
 
 http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae67/stevecook172001/propposed-rosegarden-setup_zpsco8rvbpf.jpg
 
 I know, diagrammatically, how to setup the proposed arrangement, above. 
 What I don’t know is how to tell Rosegarden this is where I want the two 
 different tracks to go. Tthat is to say, the two different instruments 
 in the midi file are represented as two separate tracks in Rosegarden. 
 At the moment (with my existing setup), if I send the signal out from 
 Rosegarden to a single instance of VMPK, VMPK only picks up the first 
 track and ignores all others. I currently get round that by merging all 
 tracks in Rosegarden into a single track and then sending that to a 
 single instance of VMPK and this works fine. However, what I want to do 
 is to keep the tracks separate and send them to two separate VMPK 
 keyboards simultaneously, as per my second diagram. Is that possible 
 with Rosegarden? I should say, the reason I want to send the two tracks 
 out to separate VMPK's is twofold. Firstly, my two real world midi 
 controllers are 61 keys each and not full 88 keyboard controllers. Thus, 
 some tunes span a sufficient range of keys as to require me to play with 
 my left hand on one keyboard and my right hand on the other. That is to 
 say, I set my left hand controller to start three octaves lower than the 
 right one. Thus, they overlap by two octaves. Between them, though, I 
 get a full 88 key span. The second reason I want to send different 
 tracks to each of the keyboards is because some of the midi tunes I am 
 wanting to learn are for duets between two instruments. And so, my 
 proposed setup would allow me to effectively playback the two 
 instruments simultaneously from Rosegarden to two instances of VMPK.
 
 Rosegarden appears to allow the sending of the midi signal from each 
 track to separate outputs. But I cant get them to work. so I am 
 obviously doing something wrong. I should make it clear, finally, that I 
 do not have a problem with the external midi controllers themselves in 
 that it is perfectly possible for me to connect them both up to two 
 instances of VMPK and have /them/ both play with two separate voices at 
 the same time (in other words, my second diagram, minus Roasegarden). 
 The problem is between Rosegarden and VMPK.
 
 I am guessing this has got something to do with seeting channels for the 
 two tracks inside the midi, but I haven’t a clue how to do that. Or, 
 indeed, if it is actually possible, even in principle, to achieve the 
 above in Rosegarden.
 
 Please help, if you can.


Right click on the Rosegarden channel label and set both of your tracks to CH1
but to the two different destinations. Make sure you have both recognised in
Manage Midi Devices (I always re-label the MIDI playback entries to match the
actual 

[Rosegarden-user] Long-standing bug :(

[Abrolag]

Occasionally Rosegarden develops amnesia and 'forgets' what it is sending MIDI.
The events in the transport window are still showing but nothing is
actually sent. to. Disconnecting and re-connecting makes no difference. The
*only* cure is is to close and restart.

While messing about recently I think I've stumbled on the 'What' but only a
guess at the 'Why'.

When trying out different timers just out of curiosity I noticed that one of
them consistently resulted in more frequent failures. Presumably Rose garden
uses the selected timer to determine when to send messages, so I wonder if it's
losing connection with the timer itself.

Could this also be connected to the (very rare these days) occasions when
everything suddenly speeds up?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A pat on the back

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On Sun, 03 May 2015 16:51:16 -1000
david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

 On 05/02/2015 10:55 PM, Abrolag wrote:
  On Sat, 02 May 2015 15:14:40 -1000
  david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
 
  Sorry - NRPNs?
 
  On 05/02/2015 12:36 PM, Abrolag wrote:
  In my fearless pursuit of perfection (HA!) I've been working on 
  implementing
  NRPNs in Yoshimi. I've dived into the snake pit and managed to crawl out
  again :)
 
  Rosegarden has been the only sequencer that happily talked NRPN to Yoshimi
  without me having to make any 'special' arrangements.
 
  Oops! I guess not everyone is familiar with them :o
 
  Non Registered Parameter Number
  these are control codes that are specific to a synth and allow extra 
  controls.
 
  In Yoshimi's case this is 4 part linked (vector) control, and things like
  switching parts to different channels and various voice parameter changes.
 
 Ah, thanks for the explanation. They sound very useful! Is there 
 documentation of Yoshi's use of these somewhere? Or this is something 
 Zyn does, too?

If you get the tarball from sourceforge there are details in the Docs
directory. Zyn has a different set of NRPNs which we intend to duplicate soon.

However, if you have any more questions, it's probably better if you email me
direct. I don't want be be accused of 'gatecrashing' Rosegarden's list! 

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A pat on the back

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On Sat, 02 May 2015 15:14:40 -1000
david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

 Sorry - NRPNs?
 
 On 05/02/2015 12:36 PM, Abrolag wrote:
  In my fearless pursuit of perfection (HA!) I've been working on implementing
  NRPNs in Yoshimi. I've dived into the snake pit and managed to crawl out
  again :)
 
  Rosegarden has been the only sequencer that happily talked NRPN to Yoshimi
  without me having to make any 'special' arrangements.


Oops! I guess not everyone is familiar with them :o

Non Registered Parameter Number
these are control codes that are specific to a synth and allow extra controls.

In Yoshimi's case this is 4 part linked (vector) control, and things like
switching parts to different channels and various voice parameter changes.

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[Rosegarden-user] A pat on the back

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In my fearless pursuit of perfection (HA!) I've been working on implementing
NRPNs in Yoshimi. I've dived into the snake pit and managed to crawl out
again :)

Rosegarden has been the only sequencer that happily talked NRPN to Yoshimi
without me having to make any 'special' arrangements.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rotary (Knob) right-click

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:10:14 -0500
Ted Felix t...@tedfelix.com wrote:

 On 02/22/2015 11:28 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
  ISTM that setting to the default value
  is more useful than setting to center.  Therefore, setting to default
  should be right-click, while setting to center should be middle-click.
 
Thanks everybody for your opinions.  Here's my plan:
 
 1. Reverse center-click and right-click for Rotary.  So, right-click 
 will be default and center-click will be center.
 
 2. Add matching right-click and center-click behavior to Fader. 
 Currently, it ignores those two.
 
 Ted.

Yep. Id be happy with that.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Unwanted CCs - Long!

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:22:24 -0500
Tom Breton (Tehom) te...@panix.com wrote:

  On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 20:22:34 +
  Abrolag abro...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
 
  [...]
  I've tried attaching the MIDI version of my test file if anyone wants to
  have a
  look at it and see what happens.
 
 
 Have looked at your test MIDI and let MidiEvent::print trace it out. 
 Thank you, and also thank whoever created MidiEvent::print years ago.
 
 The one wrong-looking thing I see is that we never erase the msb and lsb
 variables.  Once case MIDI_CTRL_CHANGE has set lsb or msb, case
 MIDI_PROG_CHANGE will consider it set to that value, forever, until case
 MIDI_CTRL_CHANGE sets another value.  We don't aim lsb and msb at a
 specific channel, either, so other channels' MIDI_PROG_CHANGEs could be
 affected.
 
 My suspicion is that remembering lsb,msb after MIDI_PROG_CHANGE confuses
 later MIDI_PROG_CHANGEs that don't have bank controllers, and also we
 probably shouldn't share them between channels.
 
 Does this make sense to you?
 
   Tom Breton (Tehom)
 
 PS: Added a CC to the devel list.  Does this still need to go to RG-user?


Hi Tom.

Here be dragons! :)

I've been wrestling with bank  program changes since my first hardware synth
in 1991 - and I'm still not sure I know what I'm talking about.

However, I still have 3 hardware synths (although seldom used now).

None use both MSB  LSB

One uses MSB, the others use LSB

The two that use LSB actually send both (zero for MSB). The other one only
sends MSB

All send a program change whenever they send a bank change.

None want a bank change when *getting* a program change they remember their last
bank setting (including over a power cycle).

One of them, QS300, can accept a program change 'silently' to a non-sounding
channel which will then pick up cleanly on the next note, but if you send a bank
change as well the entire sound cuts out.

They all only transmit on one channel, but will accept MIDI on all 16. Bank
is applied to all channels whichever channel it's sent on. Program is channel
specific. This makes sense as bank changes are swapping out ROM sets, program
changes just select a voice within the ROM.

My most recent one is mid 1990s so things have probably changed considerably
since then. I would expect them to be even more flexible. You can probably do
silent bank changes now. As far as I know there are still none that use both
MSB  LSB though! There is *no* sensible plan as to what bank numbers are used.
1,2,3,4,5... forget it!

With all of this I think the only safe thing for Rosegarden to do is to pass on
exactly what it gets without trying to make any interpretation. How it wants
to represent banks for display purposes is really up to you, but currently it
changes them (seemingly just LSB) and I think that is quite wrong.

Since working on Yoshimi, I've developed an even more keen interest in this and
in order to try and keep up, our bank changes can be set to receive either MSB
or LSB, and work across all channels but have no effect at all until there is a
(channel specific) program change. As there is no physical ROM the synth
engine only knows about voice patches currently in memory. We effectively have
an equivalent to an alternate MSB or LSB as we have a control that sets the
entire directory structure that banks are read from (also silently). The test
file checks that all these work including trapping  invalid bank and program
changes. You'll notice there are changes on one channel while others have
continuous notes.

I would guess that most soft-synths would work in pretty much the same way if
they accept MID controls.

P.S.
I'm not on the developers list just the users one. If this is getting too
involved for users I guess I could subscribe, but I'd actually rather stay as I
am :)

P.P.S.

As a matter of interest, I've attached the most complete MIDI chart V2 I can
find. It's actually a merge of several!

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Title: MIDI Standard Controller Numbers





MIDI Controller Numbers


Summary of the MIDI controller codes (V 2.0) in decimal and hexadecimal



DecimalHexController Name



000hBank Select MSB - (rarely implemented)



101hModulation Wheel MSB



202hBreath Controller MSB



303h- -



404hFoot Controller MSB



505hPortamento Time MSB



606hData Entry MSB



707hVolume MSB - (formerly Main Volume)



808hBalance MSB



909h- -



100AhPan MSB



110Bh_expression_ MSB



120ChEffect Control 1 MSB



130DhEffect Control 2 MSB



140Eh- -



150Fh- -



1610hGeneral Purpose Controller 1 MSB



1711hGeneral Purpose Controller 2 MSB



1812hGeneral Purpose Controller 3 MSB



1913hGeneral Purpose Controller 4 MSB



2014h- -



2115h- -



2216h- -



2317h- -



2418h- -



2519h- -



261Ah- -



271Bh- -



281Ch- -



291Dh- -



301Eh- -



311Fh- -



3220hBank Select LSB



3321hModulation

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Unwanted CCs - update - !!!AHA!!!

[Abrolag]

I just had a nose around in MidiFile.cpp - without full hazmat too :)

At line 1221 you have the start of a section that interprets bank changes. This
is very risky as almost every synth maker has a different way of handling them.

Commenting out both the msb and lsb code appears to cure the problem.

Can someone more knowledgeable have a look and see what other implications there
may be?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Unwanted CCs - update

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On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 20:22:34 +
Abrolag abro...@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

 Just tried build 13868 and can confirm that it now sends the correct data.
 
 However on *importing* a midi file CC32 values are set as either 0 or 255. 
 This
 is bank LSB and should be settable 0-127. A value of 255 should be quite
 impossible!
 
 The actual values I've set (and correctly sent) are 105, 7, 110, 5.
 
 Just to confirm this is designed as a test file, but it's supposed to be 
 testing
 Yoshimi! :)

Just tripple checked this with aplaymidi, ardour3 and muse2. Rosegarden 13868
is *definitely* exporting the correct MIDI data and it is purely the import
side that is now having problems.

P.S. after using those last two I was *extremely* grateful to be able to
return to Rosegarden, for all their bells and whistles they simply are not
musician friendly :(

I've tried attaching the MIDI version of my test file if anyone wants to have a
look at it and see what happens.

The bank changes (CC32) in order should be:
CH1, 105
CH1, 105
CH1, 7
CH2, 110
CH3, 105
CH1, 5

This is intersped with program changes and actual (loosely described) music.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Unwanted CCs

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On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:20:11 -0500
Tom Breton (Tehom) te...@panix.com wrote:

  On 02/04/2015 05:49 PM, Abrolag wrote:
  Yes tried that. It still sends CC 121 (reset all controllers) and it
  sends it at
  the start of every segment of every track!
 
 ChannelManager::setControllers() appears to be the function doing this.
 
 Oh, my.  It's right where I wrote:
 
 // This was the old logic, but it's not clear that it is still
 // desirable
 
 and I think I ifdef'ed it out after we let it fly for a while and nobody
 seemed to be using it.  Obviously that's not the case, so I'll put it back
 in immediately.
 
   Tom Breton (Tehom)

Just tried build 13868 and can confirm that it now sends the correct data.

However on *importing* a midi file CC32 values are set as either 0 or 255. This
is bank LSB and should be settable 0-127. A value of 255 should be quite
impossible!

The actual values I've set (and correctly sent) are 105, 7, 110, 5.

Just to confirm this is designed as a test file, but it's supposed to be testing
Yoshimi! :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Unwanted CCs

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On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:00:52 -0500
Tom Breton (Tehom) te...@panix.com wrote:

  Every time Rosegarden starts up, and every time it starts a run from the
  beginning it sends reset CCs.
 
  I can't seem to find a way to stop this - they are not mentioned in any
  filter
  options that I can see.
 
 Sounds like the normal setup stuff.
 
 Have you tried unchecking all the checkboxes in Instrument Parameters? 
 Basically, that tells it not to try to set up an instrument, because setup
 will be handled externally, which sounds like what you are doing.

Yes tried that. It still sends CC 121 (reset all controllers) and it sends it at
the start of every segment of every track!

What is worse is that it then can't reload what it sent. CC 32 bank LSB always
comes back with a value of 0. It is also creating spurious CCs but I can't pin
down whether that is happening on export or reload.

BTW I've also tried using arecordmidi to capture the actual midi stream.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Unwanted CCs

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:59:05 -0500
Ted Felix t...@tedfelix.com wrote:

 On 02/04/2015 05:49 PM, Abrolag wrote:
  Yes tried that. It still sends CC 121 (reset all controllers) and it sends 
  it at
  the start of every segment of every track!
 
ChannelManager::setControllers() appears to be the function doing this.
 
 Ted.

Would it help If I made my test rg file available? it's only 23k. I can't
remember, are attachments accepted on this list?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Midi playback

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 06:21:05 -0500
D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 01/06/2015 05:39 AM, Peter O'Doherty wrote:
snip
  Also, to use the synth plugins I have to manually load sound fonts for
  each track after importing each midi file. Is there no way to set the
  default?
 
 That is correct.  Synth plugins are one of those things that could have 
 been awesome, but, in my opinion, the whole concept just never quite 
 realized its potential.  Nothing developed must past the initial, 
 experimental stages, and there it sits today.  The DSSI mailing list has 
 been stone dead since 2012.  It is what it is.

Flavour-of-the-month for plugins seems to be LV2.

The latest version of yoshimi supports it :)

However, I guess it would take a *lot* of work for it to be implemented in
Rosegarden, and it doesn't seem there is anyone to do it :'(

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [LAU] Just got Android tablet for Christmas

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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 07:13:03 -0500
D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's interesting that you know so many high tech rednecks.
 

Quite a few that I know are into some form of highly physical
recreational activity.

One is into white water canoeing. Another is a mountaineer. One plays
squash. Then there's the off-road cyclist. Never happier than when his covered
in mud from head to toe.

Me... I prefer a quieter life!

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[Rosegarden-user] Irritation rather than bug

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Every time Rosegarden shuts down I get this little sequence.

##

JackEngine::XRun: client = rosegarden was not finished, state = Triggered
JackAudioDriver::ProcessGraphAsyncMaster: Process error
21:15:03.491 XRUN callback (6).
JackEngine::XRun: client = rosegarden was not finished, state = Triggered
JackAudioDriver::ProcessGraphAsyncMaster: Process error
21:15:03.500 JACK connection graph change.
21:15:03.500 ALSA connection graph change.
21:15:03.678 JACK connection change.
21:15:03.680 ALSA connection change.
21:15:05.481 XRUN callback (1 skipped).

##

I get the feeling that Rosegarden is getting things out of sequence, and
removing stuff before closing it's jack client (or maybe not waiting lone
enough for the close sequence to complete).

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ZASF plugins sorting problem

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:51:22 -0400
k...@trixtar.org wrote:

 
 I have a collection of about 50 rosegarden projects made under Suse using the 
 last few releases over the last year or two. All of them make very heavy use 
 of ZynAddSubFX sounds pulled directly from that application as a synth in its 
 own right as well as ZASF the Zyn dssi plugin. 
 
 What this means is that I might have a track that is typically assigned to 
 ZASF plugin #176-Guitar. And now is the time when the maestro signals: let it 
 all hit the fan :-)
 
 While tinkering with an upgraded Zyn (2.4.4 i think) package in the 
 Mageia-5alpha2 distro I ran into the problem of a new, much improved AND MUCH 
 BIGGER bank-set. According to the zyn devs. the appropriate way to handle 
 these has historically been alphabetical or else trouble looms ahead when the 
 bank-set is changed  ..and this is exactly what has happened *as far as I can 
 determine* with my at best barely average skills. 
 
 The short of the long is that in my rosegarden projects ZASF plugin 
 #176-Guitar is now #176-Pan-Flute. I do love pan flutes but this is not going 
 to work. For the time being I can just continue using Suse but the Zyn 
 package is sure to be upgraded there as well and very soon at that! Having to 
 re-edit my rosegarden projects would be bad enough but what if yet another 
 bank-set increase comes along, now that Zyn popularity is going ballistic 
 ANYTHING is possible.
 
 For now I can just migrate the old /usr/share/zynaddsubfx/banks folder to any 
 more recent system but in th enear future could I hope for an edit from 
 numerical to alpha sorting please?
 
 Thanks

Bit late picking up on this...

My way of handling this is to maintain different sets of bank root dirs all in
userspace then just select as 'default'  the one I want depending on which group
of projects I'm working on.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Staff show/not-show rests?

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On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:35:35 -1000
david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

 On 10/27/2014 09:36 AM, Abrolag wrote:
  On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:22:16 -0400
  D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Made it to the weekend, made it through the weekend, didn't find time to
  look at that.  Didn't find time to roll out the 14.10 release either.
 
  Thinking about a function to absorb rests.  Find a rest, look back,
  find a note, hack the note to consume the empty space.  Probably wants
  some kind of adjustable setting that defaults to eating rests 1/16 or
  shorter.
 
  This would probably have wide applications, and be pretty useful.
  Everybody has to clean up funky weird short rests in something
  somewhere.  Plus it would probably fix all those times when Rosegarden
  votes the wrong way on some recurring rhythmic figure, and you end up
  with weird doubled dots and crazy rests instead of something tidy and
  legible.
 
  Ideas on this?
 
  Bit slow responding -sorry.
 
  I don't use the notation editor much, probably only 2-3 times a year, but 
  the
  'nest of rests'  has had me scratching me head a few times. On that basis 
  I'd
  like to see it cured if at all possible.
 
 I use the notation editor all the time. I do wish there was some way to 
 deal with those kinds of weird fractional rests (well, that's how they 
 seem to me). I'd still want to SEE the rests, since they'd be there on a 
 paper staff, but it would be nice if they were a bit more regular. 
 Perhaps a variation of the quantization function?
 
  P.S.
  Just cos I don't post here often doesn't mean I'm not a keen Rosegardener :)
 
  I really *must* find a way to record Rosegarden driving two fully populated
  instances of Yoshimi - yep. 32 tracks all inside the machine :)
 
 What do you mean by 'record'? Record the desktop session, or just the sound?
 
Whole desktop including sound.

... actually found out how to do this now RecordMydesktop has a bug that was
making it see stupid screen sizes. Using the command line (and avoiding the
buggy parameter) works.

Now to find the time to actually make a sensible recording :)

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[Rosegarden-user] A bit of well earned praise

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As some of you know, I'm now working on developing the Yoshimi softsynth. The
changes that have been made recently meant we had to check MIDI input as
thoroughly as possible. To do this I had to use three other sequencers to try
and cover as many corner cases as possible.

Without mentioning any names, I am highly relieved this is over! What I can say
is that from a musician's point of view Rosegarden is totally in another league
and leaves them all behind in clouds of dust.

In the first place, set-up time (that inspiration killer) is dramatically
shorter with Rosegarden. Track selection and recording is obvious and painless.
Saving and loading is quick. CCs can easily be dropped in and edited (this one
proved to be especially problematic with the others).

Finally, Rosegarden doesn't pretend to know what I want to do better than me!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The post-PCI era

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:12:05 -0400
D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 My computer started flaking out after running like a top for 6-7 years, 
 and I decided to use that as an excuse to replace it.  I bought my first 
 ever off-the shelf, big box retail machine.  The bright side is I put 
 more gigas in my hertz, and I can boot from USB sticks now.
 
 It has a bunch of solder plugs where the PCI slot would have gone. 
 Somebody decided to save $0.39, because nobody uses PCI anymore.
 
 That means the old mAudio Audiophile 24/96 (ice1712/envy24) joins my 
 collection of obsolete and useless soundcards, and I don't presently 
 have any way of getting the audio signal from my computer to my 
 amplifier, as I was using SPDIF.
 
 Taking a quick look around, it appears to be the age of USB audio 
 dongles.  This would be a good time to look at what I'm actually likely 
 to do with my setup, and come up with one neat, tidy solution to replace 
 the tangled morass of random bits of kit I accumulated over the years.
 
 I might record from two different microphones at once.
 
 I might record from two different line level inputs at once.
 
 I need a way to monitor the mix on headphones so I don't record the mix 
 as background noise on subsequent tracks.
 
 I need coax SPDIF output (or possibly something else, and a new 
 amplifier, as this thing is kind of limping anyway)
 
 I'm likely to continue with Ubuntu, so if the dongle I buy needs 
 firmware, it should be something readily and easily available through 
 Ubuntu.
 
 Anyway, I thought I'd see what more modern people are using these days, 
 and fish for suggestions.

I've still got a trusty 24/96 in one of my machines, but when I go semi-mobile
I use a Komplete Audio 6. It's audio class compliant, has analogue (line and
mic), MIDI, SPDIFF and a built in headphone amp. I've had it working with an
eeePC900, an ancient AMD, and a dual core 32bit Intel.

I got it from Thomann (Germany). Their deliveries, packaging and customer
support is second to none.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Staff show/not-show rests?

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 07:22:16 -0400
D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Made it to the weekend, made it through the weekend, didn't find time to 
 look at that.  Didn't find time to roll out the 14.10 release either.
 
 Thinking about a function to absorb rests.  Find a rest, look back, 
 find a note, hack the note to consume the empty space.  Probably wants 
 some kind of adjustable setting that defaults to eating rests 1/16 or 
 shorter.
 
 This would probably have wide applications, and be pretty useful. 
 Everybody has to clean up funky weird short rests in something 
 somewhere.  Plus it would probably fix all those times when Rosegarden 
 votes the wrong way on some recurring rhythmic figure, and you end up 
 with weird doubled dots and crazy rests instead of something tidy and 
 legible.
 
 Ideas on this?

Bit slow responding -sorry.

I don't use the notation editor much, probably only 2-3 times a year, but the
'nest of rests'  has had me scratching me head a few times. On that basis I'd
like to see it cured if at all possible.

P.S.
Just cos I don't post here often doesn't mean I'm not a keen Rosegardener :)

I really *must* find a way to record Rosegarden driving two fully populated
instances of Yoshimi - yep. 32 tracks all inside the machine :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Spread the word with a screencast

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:16:37 +0200 (CEST)
Holger Marzen hol...@marzen.de wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 the Screencast I made some time ago has been placed onto
 http://www.libremusicproduction.com/tools/rosegarden
 
 (Don't beat me, I made a screencast of a Qtractor session on this
 site, too. :)
 
 Regards
 Holger

Excellent work (good song too).

What screen recorder did you use? I've been wanting to do the same thing with
Rosegarden and Yoshimi for some time now.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Disabling auto-scroll

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:58:36 -0400
Tom Breton (Tehom) te...@panix.com wrote:

  I am trying to use Rosegarden under Linux on a small netbook-type
  computer.  The window title bar, menu bar, tool bar, tempo and chord
  rulers, lower status/zoom area, and my windowing system's dock all
  consume vertical space, leaving only about a third of the screen's
  vertical dimension for the matrix area of the matrix editor.
 
 Some of those can be turned off in the View menu, giving you more space.
 
 Sorry, no idea about auto-scroll.  At first I thought you were talking
 about the autoscroll that follows the playback - that's easily turned off
 from the tool bar - but it appears you're talking about something else,
 how the screen tries to recenter when you move to the edge.  I don't know.
 
   Tom Breton (Tehom)

This is something I have a problem with too, even on a full size display.
Personally, I think autoscroll should only take place if you are attempting to
drag the pointer right out of the work area.

In any case, I would prefer the vertical one to be *much* slower that it
currently is.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)

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On Mon, 19 May 2014 08:08:45 +0100
Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com wrote:

 But Rosegarden actually has this feature built in -- just resize the
 audio clip with the Ctrl button held down. It doesn't use the Rubber
 Band library, instead it uses a slightly simpler method which is
 basically a precursor to the Rubber Band code.
 
 
 Chris

I never knew that!
Bah. Could have saved me a lot of trouble some time back {mutter}{mutter}

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A song? Maybe :)

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 04:58:31 -0400
D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 04/28/2014 05:56 PM, Abrolag wrote:
 
  Recently I remixed a song I recorded quite a few years ago, and it suddenly
  dawned on my that it's rather appropriate for our long-suffering dev. 
  Michael.
 
 Well that was interesting on a lot of levels.  I enjoyed that.  It makes 
 me think a lot of private, personal thoughts.
 
 I'm half inspired to take this tune I've been working on and set a storm 
 song to that.
 
Glad you liked it :)

I would have responded sooner, but I've been away on holiday in Germany,
including the Linux Audio Conference in my travels.

It was nice to meet up briefly with Chris Cannam, and although Linux Audio has
acknowledged difficulties, the atmosphere was very positive, and there is much
going on to be pleased with.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Scheduled Synth Instrument Switch

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On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 15:22:42 -0500
Blaise Alleyne em...@blaise.ca wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I'm using Rosegarden to arrange for strings. I tried following these 
 instructions to create events to switch between pizzicato and arco 
 instruments, but it doesn't seem to have any effect.
 
 http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-7.html#7_1_2
 
 Now, I have the device set to use a synth plugin to voice the 
 instruments, not a General MIDI device. Is that the problem? Does that 
 programchange event method only work for a MIDI device? Or is there a 
 way I can do the same thing to switch between synth plugin instruments?
 
 Thanks,
 Blaise

I'm not sure which version you're using, but there was a brief period when
Program Change messages weren't being sent - fixed now.

Also, are you sure your synth accepts program Changes?

Finally some synths require a bank change immediately before a program
change... and that often means both CC0 and CC32 (in that order) 

rant mode  = on
I've just been working though this entire issue. It's 'kin nightmare. The MIDI
spec is actually quite clear, why can't the soddin' 'experts' stick to it?
rant mode = off

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost midi assignments

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On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:41:39 +
chuck elliot chuck.ell...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Hi All,
 before moaning, let me first say how great I think RG is!
 A problem I have had with successive releases has been
 that my midi assignments are not recalled correctly. I
 have a dual USB midi interface and a standard sound card
 which also has a built in midi interface. I have a Korg M1
 connected to USB midi 2 and a Korg M3 connected to USB midi 1.
 The sound card is for audio only. However, when I start up RG
 I find it has reassigned instruments to the sound card midi
 interface and these have to be reset to their correct destinations.
 Any enlightenment gratefully received...
 
 Best wishes,
 Chuck Elliot.


What order are you starting things up in? Rosegarden has to be absolutely the
last thing. Logically, it can't connect to something that isn't there. It tries
to be helpful and connected to whatever it *can* find.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Low writeout volume

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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 21:55:08 -1000
david gn...@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

 Or you could make a do-it-yourself fuzz box using a 9v battery and a 
 couple of resistors ...

Not resistors, you need two diodes, and with no preamp they'll have to be
germanium ones (if you can find any).


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Is rosegarden-de...@lists.sourceforge.net down?

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On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:14:46 -0400
Tom Breton (Tehom) te...@panix.com wrote:

snip lots of interesting stuff

Just a quick 'thank you' for quietly persevering with this.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to cause rosegarden to record via a MIDI signal

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:09:43 -0400
Julie S msjuli...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Michael,
 
 Somehow my name got dragged into this -- and I bet it had to do more with 
 MIDI than it did with brittle code. LOL
 
 Anyhow, RG if set to be slave, listens to MMC commands, but doesn't respond 
 to all of them.
 
 In theory we could allow it to listen to MMC code 8. That would press the 
 record button only. The user would need to hit play either in RG or have 
 their device emit MMC code 2 (play).
 
 Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to try this out immediately.
 
 Sincerely,
 Julie S.

This sounds *exactly* what I'd like too!

Jus' sayin' :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Does the current rosegarden record program-change messages?

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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:31:56 -0400
Tom Breton (Tehom) te...@panix.com wrote:

 
  I was surprised to find that rosegarden is not recording program change
  events.  Before I describe my setup in detail and what I've tried, I'd
  like to first make sure that I'm not expecting something that does not
  exist - so, as my subject suggests, my question is: Is the current
  version of rosegarden supposed to record program-change messages?
 
 That decision was before my time, but the code suggests no.  The relevant
 code is in RosegardenDocument::insertRecordedMidi (RosegardenDocument.cpp
 line 2025).  When we get a program-change, we don't insert it.  We do read
 it, pass it around and play it back if playthru is on.
 
   Tom Breton (Tehom)

Would there be a problem enabling it? It's something I would quite like to
have. Are there any other CC messages that are not recorded?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 13.06 RELEASED

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On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:10:19 -0400
D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 == ROSEGARDEN 13.06, codename Imagination RELEASED ==
 
 The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 13.06 of
 Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor for 
 Linux.
 
 http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
 
 The biggest highlight of 13.06 is that Ted Felix has reduced CPU usage 
 by almost 50% when recording MIDI.  Rosegarden has been plagued with 
 MIDI recording problems for most of its history, and this improvement is 
 huge.  While Ted worked on stabilization, Tom Breton made significant 
 improvements in a variety of areas.  (See new features enumerated below.)
 
 This release should be significantly more stable than recent versions, 
 and we encourage all users to give this improved version a try.

Just found time to upgrade to this. Looks good so far.
Thanks for all your work guys :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden with a local Lilypond

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:59:38 +0100
Hilary Snaden h...@newearth.demon.co.uk wrote:

 Greetings!
 
 I'd like to try Rosegarden on my Debian Wheezy box, but I've already 
 installed Lilypond 2.16.2 locally, which works as I need it to.
 
 I'm concerned that if I install Rosegarden from the Debian repo it will 
 install its own (from my POV obsolete) version of Lilypond. How can I 
 install Rosegarden while keeping Lilypond 2.16.2 and without breaking 
 anything?
 
Where have you installed lilypond to?
If it's in /usr/local you'll be able to have both versions as debian installs
to just /usr

Instead of using just lilypond to launch the program your 'front end' will
have to do /usr/local/bin/lilypond

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] copy and paste between rosegarden instances

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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:36:45 -0400
D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 03/18/2013 12:28 PM, Tom Breton (Tehom) wrote:
 
  Yes, but it isn't very useful AFAIK.  Starting playing one starts playing
  the other, etc.  No extra functionality but twice the chaos.
 
 What is this chaos you speak of?  Each instance is self-contained.  At 
 one point I had something like a dozen different versions of Rosegarden 
 all running at the same time while testing something or other.
 
 I suppose if you're using JACK transport sync or whatever that MIDI time 
 sync is, you could experience plenty of mayhem that way.  I'm mildly 
 curious if that's what you did to give you such a chaotic impression.
 
  One thing you might try is editing one, copying to clipboard, then edit
  the other and paste.  That works.
 
 I piddled around a few minutes trying to do that, and I see no way to 
 get anything transferred from one instance to another through some 
 intermediary external clipboard.  Does that really work somehow or other?


I had a go at this, thinking I might be able to export MIDI to file, then
import it into another instance, but the import appears to wipe out whatever was
already in that instance :(

So much for trying to be clever!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Can't load Hydrogen file. It appears to be corrupt

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On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:04:35 -0400
Andrew nos...@flight.us wrote:

 On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 07:43:13PM +0100, Thorsten Alteholz wrote:
  
  
  On Mon, 4 Mar 2013, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
   Investigation shows someone was interested in looking at this problem in
   2010 and allowing Rosegarden to support the several different version of
   Hydrogen XML.  It came to naught in three years.
  
  I guess that was me. My original plan was to prevent that crash when 
  loading a new hydrogen file. I also added the version check but was not 
  able to implement the new parsing. I was hoping somebody else could do 
  that ...
 
 i've requested help on this on the Hydrogen forum (and mailing list), asking 
 about documentation for both new and old XML formats.
 
 user mauser just replied (Sun, 03/10/2013 - 13:31):
 
 Hi! You can get the source of 0.9.3 at the our sourceforge page. There should 
 be also some demo songs included in the package. I guess that some of the 
 demos which are part of the current code are also from that period...
 
 I'll try to find time to move forward on this.
 
 thanks.

I don't use hydrogen much, but in any case thanks for following this through.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] \RemoveEmptyStaves in lilypond output

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On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:08:15 +0100
Robert Wachinger pri...@robert-wachinger.de wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 04:12:36PM +, Abrolag wrote:
  On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:32:55 -0500
  D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:
  
a) fix it (it must be something really simple and stupid)
   
   Or complicated an interesting.
   
   According to three random calculators I tried, -2 mod 12 is 10, which is 
   clearly the assumption the person writing this code made.
   
   According to C++, -2 % 12 is -2.
 
 Annoying. To my understanding, y modulo X should always be a value between
 0 and X-1.
 
   There's your problem.
  
  Interesting. That's a problem I *have* had to resolve. My way of doing so is
  simply to add the modulo value before the calculation to absolutely 
  guarantee a
  consistent result.
  
  So (-2+12) % 12 will always give 10 whether it's python, C++, BASIC or an
  abacus!
 
 JFTR: This would not work with -14 % 12  (hm, ((x % M) + M) % M ??? ;-) )
 
 
 Ciao, Robert

It will if you add 24. I thought Michael only had to handle one octave. Make it
120 and it'll handle 10 :)

I originally used the idea for a shaft encoder where I knew it couldn't exceed 1
rotation in the time between readings.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.12.25 RELEASED...

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On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:10:16 -0500
Tom Breton (Tehom) te...@panix.com wrote:

  Also (being a pain in the arse) is there any possibility of implementing a
  Record Pause?
 
 Unlikely but I can't speak for the group.  You want to dive in and code it?
 
   Tom Breton (Tehom)

Believe me. If I was capable of doing so I'd be all over it like gravy on
bangers!

Unfortunately my coding skills are limited to the Arduino IDE along with some
*non* OO python :(

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.12.25 RELEASED...

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On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:27:14 -0500
Tom Breton (Tehom) te...@panix.com wrote:

  Anyway I think this is very good progress.
 
 Glad you like it!
 
 
  Just to be a bit of a further pain in the neck, what would be really nice:
  - Click and drag (horizontal and vertical... like note input)
  - quantization of wheel events: useful to (re)set pitch events on the
  exact start/end of notes.
  - Fine setting of values (e.g. by ALT - clicking?): e.g. it is very hard
  (impossible) to set a point with exact 0, which is of course important
  for pitch bend.
 
 Check out the new Controllers submenu.  It gives you a lot more control
 over controllers.  Set will let you set them to exact zero, or any flat
 value, or ascending/descending, etc.
 
   Tom Breton (Tehom)

If I do my usual:

svn co http://svn.code.sf.net/p/rosegarden/code/trunk/rosegarden

Will that get all the current goodies?


Also (being a pain in the arse) is there any possibility of implementing a
Record Pause?

Ideally you *double* click record(so it doesn't alter current behaviour).
Everything is set up but the transport doesn't actually move until you then
click on play.

Cake icing... also respond to a MIDI run message.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Serious MIDI recording problem -fixed - ish!

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A bit of a ramble here - stay with me guys :)

Last week, I screwed up an update on my 'office' machine so badly that the
only sensible option was a re-install. However, because of the problems I've
been having I decided to install Squeeze, instead of Wheezy.

For Rosegarden I got the 13164 svn, and there was no problem with hearing
played notes. I then took the compiled image down to my music machine and lo
and behold exactly the same!

In puzzlement I fetched the same source version and compiled it on that machine
(running Wheezy). Once again, the problem seems to have disappeared - although
still need to specify qtlibdir. My best guess is that one of the updates I also
did has fixed some qt problem, as nothing else had changed.

Looking around the two systems I notice that Squeeze has /usr/lib usr/lib32 and
a symlink usr/lib64 that points back to /usr/lib. However, Wheezy has /usr/lib
and *inside* that is x86_64-linux-gnu.

I don't want to mess about really, but I'm wondering if adding
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu to PATH might resolve the config issue, and
also correct some anomalies I have with programs that use the boost lib.

However, back to Rosegarden. I've found two more new (I think) problems.

In the matrix window it used to be possible to have the velocity ruler
showing, then select a group of notes and change the velocity of the all of
them by dragging one of the velocity tabs up and down. If I try that now, just
the note related to that tab changes and the group selection goes odd. This is
not a show-stopper, but it was very nice for adding or changing the dynamics
of a track.

The other problem which is quite new, is the behaviour of the volume control in
the 'special parameters' box. If you adjust this while the transport is
stationary nothing happens!

If, on playback or record you adjust it on a track that has a segment playing,
it seems to work normally. If you adjust it on a track that you have selected
for MIDI input but doesn't actually have a segment running at that time
(you're playing live) it again does nothing. Very strange.

Putting control changes in a track seems to work OK, so this again is not a
show-stopper, just a nuisance.

Anyway, enough of all this, and for some light relief, here is a track I
recorded not too long ago... 100% Rosegarden+Yoshimi, Oh, and real guitar at
the end :)

http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Mystery.ogg

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Serious MIDI recording problem

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 21:30:04 -0500
D. Michael McIntyre rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com wrote:

  I can't reproduce it.  MIDI routes thru normally here.
 
 I think it's doing the same here too.
 
 Test situation:
 
 MIDI keyboard - Edirol UM-2 - ALSA - Rosegarden - ALSA -
 Edirol UM-2 - MIDI synth
 
 Playing the keyboard makes noise come out the synth.  Recording, 
 everything seems normal.
 
  It sounds so much like un-checking the MIDI through checkbox, but you say
  that's not it, so I'm stumped.
 
 Corrupt settings file maybe?  Delete 
 ~/.config/rosegardenmusic/Rosegarden.conf and try again?
 
 I have no clue off hand, but I can't reproduce it either with a fresh 
 build of SVN and my config stuff is fresh also, because this is a very 
 recent new home directory I'm using.

It's beginning to look as if there is something borked in my installation of
the debian wheezy build environment. I can't now recompile the old versions that
used to work (good job I kept the images)!

I did an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy on the old machine (that I now use for
office work) and that is now showing exactly the same problems.

I don't know if it's relevant but in synaptic there is itemised gcc 4.4.7-2 and
qt 4:4.8.2+dfsg-2

Also, I now have to use ./configure --with-qtlibdir /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu

I never needed to do that before, so that suggests something is quite wrong.

I'm quite at a loss here. I don't know if the build environment of squeeze is
different or if I've miss configured it - I find that unlikely. In the first
instance I did the install exactly as I had before but with wheezy instead of
squueze, and in the second machine, I simply followed the debian upgrade
instructions.

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[Rosegarden-user] Serious MIDI recording problem

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This occurs with git builds  12920  13099
It doesn't occur with 12726 or earlier.

When an external MIDI source is feeding into Rosegarden, the incoming events
are shown in the transport window, and if the transport is running on record
the material is correctly laid down, but the MIDI messages are not passed
through to the output, so there is no sound. Stop and replay the freshly
recorded track and everything sounds correctly.

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[Rosegarden-user] Gotchas :(

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I just got a brand new pooter so it's the first time I've had to do a DAW
install from scratch for a very long time. The machine has an AMD A8 series
quad core 64bit processor, and I'm working with a minimised debian-squeeze
install. Linux image is 3.1

Trying to compile the current Rosegarden svn I hit the following problems:

configure couldn't find qtlibdir. Some scratching around uncovered it
at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu. Is this an unusual location? To resolve it I used:
./configure --with-qtlibdir /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu

It then complained that is couldn't find SMBlib. This cuaght me out for much
longer, as I couldn't find it anywhere and syaptic didn't list it either.
Eventually I found out that it was actually called libsm!

All is now installed and working fine (although I have problems elsewhere) but
I thought I'd mention it.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to start/stop rosegarden externally

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 00:03:14 -0500
Jim Cochrane m_l-...@business.jimcochrane.info wrote:

snip

 I'm not aware if RG has some other mechanism for program control (such
 as, say, a socket listening for incoming connections and requests), but
 I suspect it doesn't.  That would probably be a cleaner way to
 implement the functionality I'm looking for; but I suspect it would be
 a good deal of work.
 
 Comments?
 
 
 Thanks.
 Jim

This is similar to something I've wanted for a while (but didn't want to
distract people with).

There is no Record-Pause in Rosegarden. This was something I found very useful
in the sequencer I had on my old Acorn Archimedes. Rather like an old tape
recorder when you hit 'Record' recording was enabled but the transport not
activated. You then hit 'Play' for the transport, and at any time you could hit
the 'Pause' button. Hitting 'Stop' not only stopped the transport, but also
took it out of recording mode.

Also, isn't there a MIDI run/stop signal of some sort?.

Worth considering?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Instrument (midi channel) change is not updated during playback [WAS] Re: auto channel takes over and re-activates automatically

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 08:58:29 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsut...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
 Wops indeed... sorry about that, as I said fingers sometimes go faster 
 than brain :| ... It was meant as a positive remark about the quick 
 community reaction that's why I also ended my email with:
 
 Anyway happy to see the rg community is active and alive! 
 
 Lorenzo.

Actually, I have the theory that computers have a malign intelligence dedicated
to frustrating our efforts.

Have you noticed that whenever you're just casually fiddling about, not caring
much about the results, absolutely *nothing* ever goes wrong, but the more
important the matter is the greater number of issues crop up?

Soon we will reach the stage when simply walking up to a computer will result
in a message flashing up on the screen:

  You are about to make a mistake

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