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That doesn't really answer my question. --- On Sat, 6/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Open Letter to Certain White Women Threatening to Withho... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 1:50 PM In a message dated 6/7/2008 1:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com writes: Are there women, white or otherwise, really threatening to vote for a pig like Mccain because Obama is sexist? Can we offer them some hemlock? B A woman ran for vice president. Many people were uncomfortable with the idea. They thought a man with a woman vice presidnet was weak. Albright and Rice were seen as female dogs. Yes black men did not like rice because she was a woman. A woman has to be tought and gentle. A man does not hve that problem. Black men have their own issues. However they are still men. They are still part of the old boys network. The sma people who want the first lad to be quiet. Are the same people who do not want a first husband. Eliazbeth Edwards, Theresa Kerry, Hillary Clinton have all be paitned female dogs and told to shut up. Michell Obama will understand that soo enough. ( Not evrtything is racial). When Clinton cried, she was seen as not one fo the boys. She could not handle the pressue. I know of black men who did not like Condi Rice or because she was seen as a on emtional dog. Time Wise is an white guilt idiot. If you don't vote for Obama then you are a racist. If you don't support everything that Obama says, then you are a racist. Race guilt is far more senstive than gender guilt. You can tell a woman to quit complaing if she wants to become presidnet. You can not tell a black perosn that without becalled a racist. There are those who are Obama fans because they don't want a white person is office. There are those who are voting for Obama because they don't like white women. There are those who juthink a woman should be president. (alot of those are women) There are those that just don't like Clitnon. White people and everybody else can vote for anyone they damn well plese. You can't keep on laying the race guilt trip over people. As for switching their vote, so what. Blacks have said that they would switch their vote if Clinton became the presidential nominee. Obama supporters in general said that they would do that. you don't win these people back by shaming them. **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food. (http://food. aol.com/tyler- florence? video=4?amp; NCID=aolfod00030 2) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Open Letter to Certain White Women Threatening to Withho...
I assumed it was probably true and it's frightening. McCain is bumbling maroon. His 11th Hour flip flop on his torture stance to cinch the conservative support base is unforgivable. Remarkably his stance of vet benefits is even more disgusting. whatever, the reasoning of these flocktards, the bosco rule applies here, exponentially. --- On Sat, 6/7/08, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, unfortunately, yes, there are. And no, we can't offer them hemlock. That would make them martyrs to the moe-rons who are actually trying to acquire the domain name clintonformccain . com, and I would deal with that in the same way that I would if I saw anyone trying to kill a Republican, even VP Shotgun Itself. Take the bullet/poison dose. No martyrs.
RE: [scifinoir2] M. Night Shyamalan: HE'S NOT 'HAPPENING
Keith Allow your cynicism to flower. When ever anything puzzles you remember the Bosco formula: 98% of all people who walk upright on the planet are either stupid, mean or some combination there of. This formula explains almost everything that seems obvious but massive numbers of people never understand. I'm a semi-fan. Shyamalan. I liked the 6th Sense and Unbreakable. I found the Village a little trying and Signs was a bore. I avoided Lady In The Water. I may rent it one day to confirm it's reputation as a toilet plopper. I'm planning on seeing the happening. Tomorrow, It's Indy time with my youngest son. Bosco --- On Fri, 6/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i absolutely agree, i'm often puzzled why people don't get that film.
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I'm sad to report that my kids feel they have outgrown cartoons and my girl won't go. I'm probably gonna have to wait for Kung Fu Panda on DVD. This makes me sad. nbsp; I work retail and customer service. nbsp;My world view is polluted by experiences of deep down stupidity. --- On Fri, 6/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] M. Night Shyamalan: HE'S NOT 'HAPPENING To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 3:45 PM That's a funny, but mildly disturbing view of humanity! I never saw Signs, avoided Lady in the Water, same as you. Let me know if Indy is any good. I'm not really feeling it as a must-see, but if it's entertaining I'll check it out. I'm actually more excited about seeing Kung Fu Panda! -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] comgt; Keith Allow your cynicism to flower. When ever anything puzzles you remember the Bosco formula: 98% of all people who walk upright on the planet are either stupid, mean or some combination there of. This formula explains almost everything that seems obvious but massive numbers of people never understand. I'm a semi-fan. Shyamalan. I liked the 6th Sense and Unbreakable. I found the Village a little trying and Signs was a bore. I avoided Lady In The Water. I may rent it one day to confirm it's reputation as a toilet plopper. I'm planning on seeing the happening. Tomorrow, It's Indy time with my youngest son. Bosco --- On Fri, 6/6/08, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net lt;KeithBJohnson@ comcast.netgt; wrote: i absolutely agree, i'm often puzzled why people don't get that film. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Revisiting Flyfly - Senenity
what's your myspace url? --- On Fri, 6/6/08, Martin lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Martin lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Revisiting Flyfly - Senenity To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 5:31 PM Why didn't it survive, Tracey? One word. Fox. Sure, it was one odd, clunky show at times. But walk down any street in America and ask people whether they're Browncoats, and watch the cadence of their speech shift accordingly. I have a MySpace page, and one of the regular bloggers I subscribe to went so far as to change the title of his blog, from his own name to Musings of a Browncoat. Firefly/Serenity comic books are big sellers, so I'm told. I regularly get e-mails froma group that's been petitioning since Firefly went off the air for a movie. Getting Serenity only revved up their efforts. Fox. May they end in thirst. Whoever wrote that line in The Ice Pirates is going to own every check I get for the next sixty years... Tracey de Morsella lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. comgt; wrote: They are showing Firefly all day today. I became a fan by the end and I love the movie, but I must confess that I hated it in the beginning. Watching it all day today, I think I now know why I hated it and why it flopped. It's the hard western angle. I get the western frontier symbolism used to explain the sociological aspects of terraforming, but I think they took it way too far for the demographic they were targeting. Most people under 50 are not big western fans and I feel going so hard with the western angle is was distraction from the stories and acting. I remember watching the first two episodes when it first premiered and being so caught up in what I felt were inconsistencies and loud glaring stereotypes that I could not hear the story being told. I tuned out and did not tune back in until the end of the season. Part of the problem is that the stories were not as good in the beginning and the over the top western distractions I believed chased potential fans away before they could discover what a great series it was. What are your thoughts? If you disagree about my Western Overkill theory, tell me why you think it did not survive. As I watch some of the episodes that I did not get a chance to see in first run, I feel rather sad at the lost of such a cool show. On the other hand I'm anticipating his new series [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Joy and Anger on This Momentous Day
I'm having a rare moment of being nearly speechless from joy, surprise, amazement and a bundle of other emotions. I just keep switching from those tears of joy to bouncing up and down with excitement. B --- On Tue, 6/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Joy and Anger on This Momentous Day To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 11:00 PM Gonna be brief for a change. Obama gave a phenomenal speech tonight, McCain was boring and seemed like someone making bad jokes saying Is this mic on?, and Hillary ruined a chance to be seen as a someone who'd have Obama's back. By pointing out that she won more votes than he, by listing all *her* accomplishments over the years, by the insulting ploy of asking her supporters to e-mail her and tell her what to do (translation: start a 'Make Hillary the VP' campaign), by refusing to even congratulate Barak (which she could have done even without a concession), and by completely ignoring and failing to comment on the historic nature of a man of color getting the nod, she completely lost the chance to mend fences. It was a divisive, self-serving, churlish, sulking speech. I have been amazed--amazed- -at how some of her female supporters have shown so much hatred for Barak, and tonight will only serve to stir them up. Hillary continues to show *why* she shouln't be the VP candidate . Even assuming she'd help obama get the White House ( a big if given her negative ratings and baggage) soon as they got in she'd start plotting against him. And crazy bill--no way I'd want that man around! I say she should not get the nod, and tonight she put down a memory of the kind of person she can be that will never be forgotten. And as for Obama, i don't know what will happen, if he'll win, or if the racism in America will see him defeated. Whatever happens, i am *incredibly* proud and happy that a man of color is really running for President! This is an historic moment we should all celebrate, regardless of color, gender, or political leanings. We are witness to something that has not happened in all the centuries of the Republic. Whatever else you think or feel or look forward to, take a moment, just a moment, and really think about the power of this time. This is a time all our ancestors--those who cried and died and suffered and prayed and looked to Heaven--prayed for, a time when someone who looked like them could stand for the highest office in the land. I hope they're all looking down and smiling. Okay, I did my choked up moment, cried my tear of joy, sang hosanans to Heaven. Now it's time to get to work! :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [scifinoir2] BSG
I do that as well but I just used browser tabs and pause a lot. B --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Tracey de Morsella lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 1:50 AM Thanks I don't like watching on my computer, because I like to look up stuff sometimes at the same time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG Tracey You can watch all of this season on ABC.com I am not sure how long it will stay up though. B --- On Sun, 6/1/08, Tracey de Morsella amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. comamp;gt; wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. comamp;gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:07 PM No way. I'm totally lovin it, but pissed they are likely to make us wait a full year to see the last 10 episodes. How about you? Lost, I missed two whole seasons while in Mexico,and have only gotten through season 2, so I cannot say anything about it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of marian_changling Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG Nu? So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who. I haven't heard anyone mention BSG. Have you'all lost interest? I won't even bring up Lost. --marian-- Too much of a good thing is wonderful. Mae West US movie actress (1892 - 1980) - - -- Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - - -- Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] BSG
I've been afraid to discuss Lost because I don't want to give away anything. I am watching BSG on DVD but I am not yet into season 3 which is in my queue for next week. I am watching Andromeda Strain tomorrow on my girl's DVR B --- On Sun, 6/1/08, marian_changling lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: marian_changling lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:04 PM Nu? So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who. I haven't heard anyone mention BSG. Have you'all lost interest? I won't even bring up Lost. --marian-- Too much of a good thing is wonderful. Mae West US movie actress (1892 - 1980) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [scifinoir2] BSG
Tracey You can watch all of this season on ABC.com I am not sure how long it will stay up though. B --- On Sun, 6/1/08, Tracey de Morsella lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] BSG To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 10:07 PM No way. I'm totally lovin it, but pissed they are likely to make us wait a full year to see the last 10 episodes. How about you? Lost, I missed two whole seasons while in Mexico,and have only gotten through season 2, so I cannot say anything about it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of marian_changling Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] BSG Nu? So we discussed Andromeda and Doctor Who. I haven't heard anyone mention BSG. Have you'all lost interest? I won't even bring up Lost. --marian-- Too much of a good thing is wonderful. Mae West US movie actress (1892 - 1980) - - -- Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Sci-Fi fans are forever off the hook...
Keith How did you like Narnia? I can thankfully completely avoid Sex in The City since my girl won't go see Indy or Iron Man with me. Bosco --- On Thu, 5/29/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sci-Fi fans are forever off the hook... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 10:38 PM And I get to see the movie this weekend, a tit-for-tat for seeing Iron Man (twice) and Narnia the last two weeks. The wife kept trying to drag me to see Made of Honor, which I dodged, but Sex in the City is gonna trap me. Whoopee. -- Original message -- From: Lockhart, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's now official - Sex the City fans are the biggest geeks in the world. [ source: http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Entertainment/2008/05/27/woman_pays_19k_for_bogus_p remiere_ticket/2483/ ] NEW YORK, May 27 (UPI) -- A woman said she was scammed out of $19,000 when she tried to buy on eBay a ticket to Tuesday night's Sex and the City premiere and after-party in New York. The New York Post said Ella Sherman flew from her home in Singapore to see the movie and party with the stars after she bought a Sex and the City themed package on eBay through the fledgling travel business Destination on Location. The trip was supposed to include accommodations at a luxury Manhattan hotel, as well as tickets to the premiere and after-party, shopping trips to the Jimmy Choo and Patricia Field boutiques and admittance to the members-only club Soho House. The Post said the travel company told Sherman after she paid the $19,000 that it could no longer offer tickets to the premiere and after-party. Joanne Konstantinakos, a partner in Destination, told the newspaper Sherman's money hasn't been refunded because the travel company fell prey to a fraudulent seller. Although New Line offered Sherman a free ticket to the premiere after a call from the Post, Sherman is still disappointed. It was the after-party that was the big thing for me, she said. © 2008 United Press International. All Rights Reserved. -- We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking as we used when we created them. -- Albert Einstein Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] Uncontacted Tribes OT
Here's an interesting bit of news this morning http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080529/sc_nm/brazil_tribe_dc
RE: [scifinoir2] Review: 'Andromeda' is a Strain
I am recording it tonight. nbsp; B --- On Tue, 5/27/08, Tracey de Morsella lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Review: 'Andromeda' is a Strain To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2008, 3:44 PM I'm only 45 minutes in, but I like it. Anyone else like part I? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Review: 'Andromeda' is a Strain By April MacIntyre May 27, 2008, 13:54 GMT The immediate reaction to receiving the screener from Aamp;E was positive, seeing who was involved in this remake of a sci-fi classic piece of literature. The problem is the story has not aged well. We've been served similar stories in film that did so. Think Outbreak, and even to some degree, Event Horizon. The executive producers behind The Andromeda Strain are the prolific Scott brothers - Ridley and Tony - so we expect top-notch crew and post effects people to dazzle us. Ridley gave us the Alien franchise after all. Instead, we get slow-mo car wash scenes of foamy decontamination showers giving us glimpses of Christa Miller's breast implant profile, Hitchcockian CGI Birds kamikaze moments and more improbable slow-mo severed thumb flinging scenes that border on laughable. The dialogue could have been sharper, tighter. The opening scene of Benjamin Bratt's mentally-ill wife was unkind and sounded like it was written by someone who was going through an acrimonious divorce. Bratt is stoic Dr. Stone, General Mancheck is played woodenly by Andre Braugher. Bratt's old paramour student (now Doctor) is Christa Miller as Dr. Angela Noyce, Daniel Dae Kim does a good turn as Dr. Tsi Chou, Viola Davis hams it up as Dr. Charlene Barton, and Ricky Schroder is our resident closeted homosexual, Major Bill Keene, M.D. Which brings us to the reporter Jack Nash played by Eric McCormack. He seemed the only one in on the campy nature this film takes, and has the best toss-away lines. He had fun with what was written for him. The original story of Andromeda featured a satellite probe that searches the highest points of Earth's atmosphere for new germs to use in the creation of bio-warfare. This version takes it to deep space via worm holes. We get cliff note dialogue invoking bucky balls to explain the fallen satellite that begins killing people on the spot. Not viral, the DNA-less organism displays intelligence and aggression. Our meddling chicks have come to roost, as they say. The writers use a looming presidential election, titsy foreign government interferences (Korea), environmentalist terrorism, homeland security, competing insular government agency communication problems and black-op conspiracy theories to dress lt;http://www.monsters andcritics. com/smallscreen/ reviews/article_ 1407806.php/ R eview_Andromeda_ is_a_Straingt; up the it came from above plot. The series was done in by trying too hard, and by way of casting and writing, not making us care enough about any of the characters to want any more of it. Grade: C- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - - -- Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [scifinoir2] Will Hagee Get A Pass
I assume no outcry from the media on how terrible his remarks are? B --- On Thu, 5/22/08, Martin lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Martin lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Will Hagee Get A Pass To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 7:30 PM Coming into Yahu, I saw but didn't read the story, that the Mad Bomber has officially put down Hagee over his words. Bosco Bosco lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] comgt; wrote: That's a rhetortical question. Here's the latest from the Bush the sequals, Hagee debacle: http://www.cnn. com/2008/ POLITICS/ 05/22/mccain. hagee/index. html?section= cnn_latest If someone is wathcing news this evening, please update me on the incredible in depth coverage these foul remarks will certainly(not) incur. Thanks Bosco There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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That's a rhetortical question. Here's the latest from the Bush the sequals, Hagee debacle: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/22/mccain.hagee/index.html?section=cnn_latest If someone is wathcing news this evening, please update me on the incredible in depth coverage these foul remarks will certainly(not) incur. Thanks Bosco
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
Hey Tracey Im clear that HRC is an old school beltway powerbroker and has done things which are less than savory. I'm certainly not down with everything she's done. I'm sure that looking over the political career of any of the folks that have made careers in DC would turn up some truly ugly and at times disturbing business. I don't think you can get there without some. However, I don't think her examples are worse than other peoples. All I'm really saying is that warts and all, her presence in the White House wouldn't appall me but I prefer Senator Obama. In the end, the Clinton vs. Obama debate is mostly moot, unless the Democratic power brokers defy the will of the people and give the nomination to Clinton at the convention. The one thing that worries me about Sen. Obama is his position on the war. While I am all for ending it and as soon as possible, I'm also for the moral responsibility of rebuilding a country we have left destroyed. I don't think it's right to simply say we'll just leave. I'd like to see his plan for fixing the mess. He may have one but I haven't seen it anywhere. I'm hopeful that Senator Obama will do the right thing in Iraq and clean up the mess the war criminals have created. Bosco --- On Tue, 5/20/08, tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 8:17 PM I'm glad I misunderstood and that you voted for who you wanted - no matter who that is. I did not perceive you as someone who could be pressured by others in your political decision making.
Re: [scifinoir2] Highlander Reborn
File this in the ever growing crap pile of bad Hollywood ideas. Not the worst idea ever but close enough to smell that bad. B --- On Wed, 5/21/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Highlander Reborn To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 5:54 PM Highlander Reborn Iron Man writers to pen remake. by Jim Vejvoda http://movies. ign.com/email. html http://movies. ign.com/articles /875/875430p1. html May 20, 2008 - Connor MacLeod of the clan MacLeod will return ... again. Summit Entertainment has acquired the remake rights to Highlander and set the Iron Man screenwriting team of Art Marcum and Matt Holloway to script the redo. The 1986 original, starring Christopher Lambert, Sean Connery and Clancy Brown, beget film sequels, TV series, comic books and videogames. According to The Hollywood Reporter, Peter Davis, a producer on the original, will also produce the Highlander remake. So who could play the new Connor MacLeod? Might Hollywood actually cast a Scotsman this time? Like say, Gerard Butler, James McAvoy, or Ewan McGregor? Sound off below! Yahoo! http://buzz. yahoo.com/ article/ign/ http%253A% 252F%252Fmovies. ign.com%252Fart icles%252F875% 252F875430p1. html Buzz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
I always appreciate your point of view Tracey. You're one of the most fair and open-minded people I have come across on the interwebamajig. I really have no idea about potential candidates. I know next to nothing. I'm really interested in the POV of anyone else on the list as well. As for Gymfig's anti-Obama issues, you're in the same boat I was in for both Clinton runs. I ended up voting for him because he was the best of the two options. He turned out to be surprisingly better than I thought he would though there were enough things that bothered me that I never could fully get on the train. I like Hillary. I think she gets a damned if she does/ damned is she doesn't choice more often than any of the men she's run against. She's hungry for the office and to my mind, that's a good thing. That said, I went with Obama in my primary. I think it's pretty clear that what ever his flaws, between him and McCain he's the best option. Bosco --- On Mon, 5/19/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 6:22 PM Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state
Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 10:03 AM For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, disparaging of Obama's lack of experience, full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy (I get hard-working, white voters) to the other dirty tricks show she'd work behind the scenes to undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that she'd be plotting against him all the time she's grinning in his face. She's in her 60's now, think she wants to wait *eight* years and try again? No way in hell. And trying to be a VP who then steps out and challenges your Prez in the next election, how damaging would that be? Has that ever been done, a VP challenging his sitting Prez for the nomination? Talk about a mess. I can't see Obama wanting to deal with that potential hazard. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story chicagotribune.com Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Tribune staff report May 18, 2008 The Democratic primary battle may not technically be over, but I'm ready to move on to the next phase of windy speculation and gratuitous strategery. So here are eight reasons Barack Obama should not offer Hillary Clinton the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket: 1. She's a familiar Washington insider and a major premise of his candidacy has been changing the ways of Washington. 2. She's pandered brazenly and attacked personally on the campaign trail, showing herself to be the embodiment of the old way of doing politics Obama has disparaged. 3. Her husband, the former president, has shown an inability to stay on message and keep his foot out of his mouth. 4. She's polarizing. Clinton's unfavorable ratings are from 7 to 16 points higher than Obama's in recent national polls. 5. She'll star in Republican attack ads against Obama: The I believe that I've met the qualifications to be commander-in-chief ad will show her saying, Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy. 6. She crossed the line when she repeated this thought several times to reporters in early March: I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002. 7. She's toting unpacked baggage. Obama's high-road approach has kept him from doing what Republican operatives are itching to do: Dig up the half-buried Clinton family scandals of the 1990s and turn over every rock from the last eight years looking for more. 8. Politically, a teammate is better than a counterweight. Bill Clinton himself demonstrated this when he picked another young moderate Democrat from the mid-South — Al Gore of Tennessee — and the two ran a vigorous, consistent campaign. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who and BSG?
I'm actually just starting Season 2 of BSG. I feel like it's always on the cusp. It's good enough to keep my interest but never really gets past that. It seems to always feel like there's an unrealized potential. One of the things I love about netflix, is being able to watch multiple series that missed for not having TV without having to rent disc by disc. B --- On Sat, 5/10/08, marian_changling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: marian_changling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Who and BSG? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 10, 2008, 9:14 AM I'm also watching. Even though I have to turn the captions on when watching Doctor Who to find out what they've actually said. I started watching BSG only recently. I'm sort-of enjoying it even though I can't keep the characters straight. It's on the cusp. I'm enjoying it enough to watch the show, but not enough to go back and rent the previous shows. - In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone watching Dr. Who and BSG? **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food. aol.com/dinner- tonight?NCID= aolfod000300 0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins
I'm being sucked in by Christian Bale. Why do I keep holding out hope? I know. I know. there's no good answer B --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Lockhart, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lockhart, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 2:04 PM I wish I could preface this with something witty and/or funny, but I cannot. Just click. WAIT. Sit DOWN. THEN Click. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/ Right. See? Yahoo! Groups Links Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[scifinoir2] Official Language OT
My morning laugh was really good this morning: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5746788.html B Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[scifinoir2] Moyers on Wright
Finally some honest perspective from the Media on this BS http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/28915/1/bmj_wright_050208.wmv/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[scifinoir2] Kindle
Is anyone considering a Kindle? Or Not? Any specific reasons for either position? I'm just curious. I hadn't thought about one much at all and the price range is outside my current budget. On the flipside my girl seems to be in a surprising amount of technolust B Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Which Summer Blockbuster do you want to see more?
I'm with Martin on Hellboy II. I am giddy with anticipato. I am on fire to see Ledger as the Joker. Iron Man, who wouldn't want to see it. As for Speed Racer, I predict that it will do for the cartoon what Bush has done for the economy. Bosco --- On Mon, 4/28/08, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Which Summer Blockbuster do you want to see more? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 7:35 AM I will not waste my money on Hulk or Speed Racer, because the Hulk franchise (shuddering at the mere thought that it *is* that) lost me at the first installment, and Speed Racer, from the trailers, seems beyond cartoonish. I'd rather have it as a feature-length cartoon than that mess. I always thought that, if you toss up a melange of CGI and green-screen effects, the intent was to make it look *real*. That doesn't, plain and simple. Hellboy II was on my list from the minute I heard it was in the pipe, as was Iron Man after I earned that Downey had been cast as the lead (I'll stay on record as that being the best casting job in H'Wood history). Dark Knight is a must-see, Ledger's death an understood all on the production. I hope that his performance is a fitting swan song. Indiana Jones and the Search for Geritol, I'm passing on. That's why Deity made cable. Hancock, I'm going to give a weekend or so before I try it. Great story premise, and the trailer looks interesting, but I'm still not sure. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Limbaugh Calling For Riots In Denver During Convention
Poor Rush, he must be terrified. It must cause his opiate addled brain to quake with fear to even consider the possibility that the highest office in the land might not be held by a rich white corporate robber baron. I don't understand why. If either of the Democratic candidates wins, his audience of disaffected, overly entitled, and marginally intelligent middle class, middle aged white men will increase dramatically. Bigger numbers means better ad revenues. Seems like he'd see the boon on the horizon. --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Limbaugh Calling For Riots In Denver During Convention To: 'Chris de Morsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'paul demorsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'julia demorsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'NPHC' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 11:35 PM Note From Tracey: Hillary ran four ads on his show in Indiana. Friends tell me he played I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas in the background DENVER -- Talk show host Rush Limbaugh is sparking controversy again after he made comments calling for riots in Denver during the Democratic National Convention this summer. He said the riots would ensure a Democrat is not elected as president, and his listeners have a responsibility to make sure it happens. Riots in Denver, the Democrat Convention would see to it that we don't elect Democrats, Limbaugh said during Wednesday's radio broadcast. He then went on to say that's the best thing that could happen to the country. Limbaugh cited Al Sharpton, saying the Barack Obama supporter threatened to superdelegates that there's going to be trouble if the presidency is taken from Obama. Several callers called in to the radio show to denounce Limbaugh's comments, when he later stated, I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver. Limbaugh said with massive riots in Denver, which he called Operation Chaos, the people on the far left would look bad. There won't be riots at our convention, Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. We don't riot. We don't burn our cars. We don't burn down our houses. We don't kill our children. We don't do half the things the American left does. He believes electing Democrats will hurt America's security and economy and appeared to call on his listeners to make sure that doesn't happen. We do, hopefully, the right thing for the sake of this country. We're the only one in charge of our affairs. We don't farm out our defense if we elect Democrats ... and riots in Denver, at the Democratic Convention will see to it we don't elect Democrats. And that's the best damn thing that can happen to this country, as far as I can think, Limbaugh said. Denver will host the DNC on Aug. 25 to Aug. 28. http://www.thedenve rchannel. com/news/ 15980105/ detail.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Fox Confirms Renewal For 'Sarah Connor'
I have not missed this show since the first season ended. In fact, I've barely even thought about it and yet, in reading this, I want to be hopeful. I know that the show will most likely continue to be a two dimensional overly dramatic snore festival. I have to wonder, am I delusional or in some kind of minor psychotic state? What, in the name of all that is holy, is wrong with me? There are better shows and many of them. There are other new possibilities in the works like Whedon's Dollhouse and yet I cling to this obviously futile hope for Sarah Conner. Someone pass me some meds. Bosco --- On Tue, 4/22/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Fox Confirms Renewal For 'Sarah Connor' To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 3:49 PM Fox Confirms Renewal For 'Sarah Connor' http://www.syfyport al.com/news42495 7.html By MICHAEL HINMAN mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com Source: Hollywood http://hollywoodrep orter.com Reporter Apr-21-2008 It wasn't too much of a surprise, but Fox made it official. The network known for axing shows like Alien http://www.syfyport al.com/news42495 7.html Nation and Firefly well before their times took a rare step by renewing a science-fiction series, namely Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Michael Ausiello of TV Guide reported rumors of the pickup last week, but others say it wasn't too much of a stretch since the show didn't do horribly in the ratings (it did lose 50 percent of its premiere, but that premiere came after highly rated playoff football http://www.syfyport al.com/news42495 7.html ), and it's attached to a franchise that is preparing to put out its first movie without actor and governor Arnold Schwarzenegger http://www.syfyport al.com/news42495 7.html . Fox has ordered 13 additional episodes for a second season of the show, but it's still not clear whether it will move to the fall, or take up a mid-season premiere like it did this past season. The show, which is produced by Warner Bros http://www.syfyport al.com/news42495 7.html . Television http://www.syfyport al.com/news42495 7.html , stars Lena Headey as Sarah Connor, Thomas Dekker as John Connor and Summer Glau as the Terminator Cameron. It premiered with an 11.1 rating/16 share in overnight ratings, according to Nielsen Media http://www.syfyport al.com/news42495 7.html Research, but ended with a rating closer to 5.0/8. It averaged a 5.9/10, helping it finish among the top five network genre shows. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Halle Becomes White Racist in Next Role
I don't have an opinion on the movie as I haven't seen it. However, one of the reasons I like this list so much is there is disagreement without antagonism or flames. I for one am really disappointed with the tone and rhetoric of this post. It really detracts from the peaceful friendly flow our list traditionally follows. I'm asking very nicely if you wouldn't mind toning down the rhetoric a few notches. Thanks Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um...excuse me...but who ever you are. you are deluded if you think that the largess that Hollywood bestowed on Halle Berry for Monsters Ball had anything to do with merit or the love of serious cinema...I would write a lot more...on my point...but your comments already show me that you can't grasp the obvious...you merely regurgitate cinematic current events without common sense to go with your interpretation...enjoy your dillusionand God I hope you are not black.. rave? I think not Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Heston left dual legacy
A friend of mine had the funniest line ever about Hestons passing. It's cold. It's cruel and it's tasteless. However, it's not undeserved either: Well I guess they can have his gun now. B --- ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though Chuck Heston in his later years became, as critic Tom Shales referred to him, a bull moose, I was fond of many of his performances, particulaly in two of my favorite movies: Planet of the Apes and Omega Man. ~rave! Original Story URL: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=736187 Heston left a dual legacy Film stardom and his politics defined him By DUANE DUDEK Journal Sentinel film critic Posted: April 6, 2008 Duane Dudek E-MAIL In his prime, Charlton Heston, who died Saturday at age 84, was a handsome, square-jawed Hollywood leading man. And epics such as The Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur, for which he won his only Oscar for best actor, helped turn him into an icon and a legend. In his later years, he befriended presidents and became better known for being outspoken on behalf of conservative causes - including serving four terms as president of the National Rifle Association - than for his film roles. Ironically, one of his last film appearances was in Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore's Oscar-winning 2002 documentary about the American gun culture. In the segment, Moore demands that an obviously frail Heston apologize for holding rallies after gun tragedies. When a stooped Heston hobbles out of the room, Moore pursues him, holding a picture of a victim of gun violence. Shortly before the film was released, Heston issued a statement in which he announced he had a neurological disorder whose symptoms are consistent with Alzheimer's disease. On Sunday, possibly in a reflection of Heston's status as more a political symbol than a pop-culture figure, many of the comments issued to memorialize his life came from figures in politics. In a statement released by the White House, President George W. Bush - who in 2003 awarded Heston the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor - called Heston one of the most successful actors in movie history and a strong advocate for liberty. He was a man of character and integrity, with a big heart, the president's statement reads. Republican presidential candidate John McCain noted Heston's involvement in the civil rights movement and his stand against gun control. In taking on epic and commanding roles, he showed himself to be one of our nation's most gifted actors, and his legacy will forever be a part of our cinema, McCain said in a statement. Former first lady Nancy Reagan said Sunday in a prepared statement that she was heartbroken to hear of Heston's death. I will never forget Chuck as a hero on the big screen in the roles he played, but more importantly I considered him a hero in life for the many times that he stepped up to support Ronnie in whatever he was doing, she said. America has lost a great patriot, The National Rifle Association of America's Wayne LaPierre said. Publicist Michael Levine, who represented Heston for about 20 years, said the actor's passing represented the end of an iconic era for cinema. If Hollywood had a Mount Rushmore, Heston's face would be on it, Levine said. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Associated Press contributed to this report. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Knight Rider Keeps Driving
--- Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they cancel Jericho. GO figure!?!? Knight Rider Keeps Driving This is proof of my equation that explains almost everything. 98% of the Population is either stupid, mean or some combination there of. In the case of an ongoing Knight Rider Nightmare, it's the combination option with equal parts of stupid and mean. Bosco You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
[scifinoir2] Jesus Has A Mullet OT Way Way Way OT
I have a sacrilegious bent. I admit it. So when other people follow the same path unintentionally, I get the giggles. In that light I present White Jesus with a Mullet. The only thing missing is a gimme cap and a Camaro. http://www.kaypaintings.com/Index.htm Bosco Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Apple Branding Lubricates Human Brain
When I think of the I-Pod I almost always get really creative and full of new ideas for destroying a gadget. In light of that I have a new Apple Slogan: We designed it to do less on purpose. Bosco --- ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blog.wired.com/sterling/2008/03/apple-branding.html Forget actually buying a Mac to unleash your creativity. A new study from researchers at Duke University and the University of Waterloo found that merely thinking about Apple can make you more creative -- at least with bricks. After researchers flashed the company's logo in front of test subjects for an imperceptible 30 milliseconds, they discovered that people actually started behaving in ways associated with Apple's brand imagine, thinking differently, and apparently, more creatively. During their study, researchers used the Apple logo in conjunction with IBM's to see how people reacted to the brands subconsciously. Apparently, people felt exactly the same except in two areas: creativity and competence (IBM's strong suit). When asked to describe as many uses for a brick as they could, the Apple subjects averaged 30 percent more brick ideas than their IBM counterparts, according to researchers. An independent set of reviewers also deemed these answers to be more creative. IBM-primed subjects, one the other hand, all had strikingly similar answers. While one of the Duke professors hesitates directly link creativity to the use of Apple products, he does conclude that powerful brands can and do affect people's unconscious behavior. The study will be published in the April issue of the Journal of Consumer Research Special deal for Yahoo! users friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Gandalf Hopes For Role In Hobbit
If they give us a different Gandalf, I'll probably pass. B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WELLINGTON, New Zealand â Ian McKellen, who played Gandalf the Wizard in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, is hoping to reprise the role in another tale from Middle Earth. A fan asked McKellen on the actor's official Web site if he would play the role of Gandalf in The Hobbit, which is being produced by Peter Jackson, director of the Rings trilogy. Yes, I will, if Peter Jackson and I have anything to do with it, he being the producer and me being, on the whole, a very lucky actor, McKellen, 68, said in a reply dated Wednesday. Jackson reached a deal with New Line Cinema late last year to make two films of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit, a planned prequel to the blockbuster Rings trilogy. Jackson will serve as executive producer for the Hobbit movies. Another fan asked: Have you been approached yet by Peter Jackson or anyone else to play the ancient Wizard? McKellen replied: Encouragingly, Peter and (partner) Fran Walsh have told me they couldn't imagine `The Hobbit' without their original Gandalf. Their confidence hasn't yet been confirmed by the director Guillermo del Toro, but I am keeping my diary free for 2009! he said. Del Toro's manager, Gary Ungar, told The Associated Press on Friday that del Toro, director of Pan's Labyrinth and Hellboy, is being considered for the Hobbit films. It's still under discussion, (but) yes, he said. He declined to give any details, but when asked about an announcement timeline, he said: I hope it resolves soon. Everybody has to agree in everything. ___ Associated Press Writer Sigal Ratner-Arias in New York City contributed to this report. ___ New Line is a unit of Time Warner Inc. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/28/gandalf-hopes-for-role-in_n_93879.html No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com
[scifinoir2] BSG Update Personal
Finished Season 1 with the last disc from netflix last night. The end actually worked out well enough for me to add Season 2 to my queue. It will be a while though as I have, Zodiac, The William Gibson documentary, Several seasons of The Wire and Deadwood to burn through. On a side note, I have decided to unleash my uberdork. In my queue I have set up a couple of rounds of dueling space stations. Babylon 5 Season 1 will be followed by Deep Space Nine Season 1. I don't know why I think this is such a cool idea. It is without question proof that I am total geek. Bosco Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: BSG Update Personal
I signed up in the fall. It's been a highlight of viewing for me. If you get one, let me know and we can be netflix friends B --- ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great idea! While I am a huge DS9 fan, especially the complex later episodes, I haven't seen any of the Babylon 5 episodes. I think I will fire up a Netflick membership. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finished Season 1 with the last disc from netflix last night. The end actually worked out well enough for me to add Season 2 to my queue. It will be a while though as I have, Zodiac, The William Gibson documentary, Several seasons of The Wire and Deadwood to burn through. On a side note, I have decided to unleash my uberdork. In my queue I have set up a couple of rounds of dueling space stations. Babylon 5 Season 1 will be followed by Deep Space Nine Season 1. I don't know why I think this is such a cool idea. It is without question proof that I am total geek. Bosco __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] Children of Men Comes To TV
We can combine forces and and write a pilot where they have to duke it out in battle royal cage match to see who rules the area of the aquarium in bewteen the fake sunken pirate ship and the fake diver with the gigantic helmet head thing. LETS GET READY TO FISH RUMBLE. Aftwards, as they're mending broken gills they can by the fake reef, they'll realize they're difference are largely based on superficial things like scale color. Then they can unite on a weekly basis to do battle with the forces of evil, or Suckerfish, as I like to call him. I smell a bionic dynasty. Never mind, my dog farted. What were we talking about? B --- Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't...I already have a script for the Bionic Guppy... Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing. I might actually watch an episode based on the idea that it was actually worse than the original. I'm gonna write a show about a bionic goldfish now. B --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, three words. Yes, it was. Isiah Washington, the one decent thing about the entire production, was utterly wasted. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt watch the Bionic Woman. Was it actually worse than the original. I would think there could be no way that would be possible. Given the guys done okay things with BSG, I would think there's at least a 10% chance this won't make me gnaw my own heart out in protest. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After seeing what Eick did to Bionic Woman, I'm terrified They are going to destroy a classic Daryle Lockhart wrote: It's time once again to play Ruin That Sci-Fi idea! today's contestant is: Sci Fi Channel! How many episodes will it take for SFC to ruin THIS idea? I have money on... one. Anybody else? On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:23:27 -0400, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eick Adapts Children For TV Bionic Woman executive producer David Eick told SCI FI Wire that he's working on a pilot script for a proposed TV series based on Children of Men, P.D. James' SF novel, which also inspired Alfonso Cuaron's 2006 film of the same name. It's really taking root more in the origins of the novels in that it will focus on the cultural movement in which young people become the society's utter focus, Eick (Battlestar Galactica) said in an interview at SCI FI Channel's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York on March 18. Much like our culture, whenever Lindsay Lohan does something [and] it becomes the headline of every news show, it's about how, when you don't have a responsibility to the next generation and you're free to do whatever you want, where do you draw the line? Eick added that Children of Men will question how society defines responsibility, freedom and a sense of values when it doesn't necessarily believe humans will survive as a species. So it's a very compelling, I think, human question that science fiction has always explored extremely provocatively, he said. It's not really a war show like the movie was. It's more an exploration of that issue. Eick is writing Children of Men now, even as he closes out SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica and prepares for production on SCI FI's recently green-lighted prequel series Caprica. Eick's Bionic, meanwhile, has been canceled by NBC. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCI FI Channel and SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=50711 Yahoo! Groups Links ⤽We must welcome the future, remembering that soon it will be the past; and we must respect the past, remembering that it was once all that was humanly possible.� -- George Santayana Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been
Re: [scifinoir2] Children of Men Comes To TV
Amazing. I might actually watch an episode based on the idea that it was actually worse than the original. I'm gonna write a show about a bionic goldfish now. B --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, three words. Yes, it was. Isiah Washington, the one decent thing about the entire production, was utterly wasted. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt watch the Bionic Woman. Was it actually worse than the original. I would think there could be no way that would be possible. Given the guys done okay things with BSG, I would think there's at least a 10% chance this won't make me gnaw my own heart out in protest. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After seeing what Eick did to Bionic Woman, I'm terrified They are going to destroy a classic Daryle Lockhart wrote: It's time once again to play Ruin That Sci-Fi idea! today's contestant is: Sci Fi Channel! How many episodes will it take for SFC to ruin THIS idea? I have money on... one. Anybody else? On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:23:27 -0400, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eick Adapts Children For TV Bionic Woman executive producer David Eick told SCI FI Wire that he's working on a pilot script for a proposed TV series based on Children of Men, P.D. James' SF novel, which also inspired Alfonso Cuaron's 2006 film of the same name. It's really taking root more in the origins of the novels in that it will focus on the cultural movement in which young people become the society's utter focus, Eick (Battlestar Galactica) said in an interview at SCI FI Channel's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York on March 18. Much like our culture, whenever Lindsay Lohan does something [and] it becomes the headline of every news show, it's about how, when you don't have a responsibility to the next generation and you're free to do whatever you want, where do you draw the line? Eick added that Children of Men will question how society defines responsibility, freedom and a sense of values when it doesn't necessarily believe humans will survive as a species. So it's a very compelling, I think, human question that science fiction has always explored extremely provocatively, he said. It's not really a war show like the movie was. It's more an exploration of that issue. Eick is writing Children of Men now, even as he closes out SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica and prepares for production on SCI FI's recently green-lighted prequel series Caprica. Eick's Bionic, meanwhile, has been canceled by NBC. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCI FI Channel and SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=50711 Yahoo! Groups Links ⤽We must welcome the future, remembering that soon it will be the past; and we must respect the past, remembering that it was once all that was humanly possible.� -- George Santayana Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Children of Men Comes To TV
Which raises an obvious question. Was there any point at which it was so bad it was funny or was it just network stank? B --- Lockhart, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That one line you just wrote about the bionic goldfish IDEA was beter written than every episode of The new Bionic Woman show. On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:23:26 -0400, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing. I might actually watch an episode based on the idea that it was actually worse than the original. I'm gonna write a show about a bionic goldfish now. B --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, three words. Yes, it was. Isiah Washington, the one decent thing about the entire production, was utterly wasted. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt watch the Bionic Woman. Was it actually worse than the original. I would think there could be no way that would be possible. Given the guys done okay things with BSG, I would think there's at least a 10% chance this won't make me gnaw my own heart out in protest. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After seeing what Eick did to Bionic Woman, I'm terrified They are going to destroy a classic Daryle Lockhart wrote: It's time once again to play Ruin That Sci-Fi idea! today's contestant is: Sci Fi Channel! How many episodes will it take for SFC to ruin THIS idea? I have money on... one. Anybody else? On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:23:27 -0400, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eick Adapts Children For TV Bionic Woman executive producer David Eick told SCI FI Wire that he's working on a pilot script for a proposed TV series based on Children of Men, P.D. James' SF novel, which also inspired Alfonso Cuaron's 2006 film of the same name. It's really taking root more in the origins of the novels in that it will focus on the cultural movement in which young people become the society's utter focus, Eick (Battlestar Galactica) said in an interview at SCI FI Channel's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York on March 18. Much like our culture, whenever Lindsay Lohan does something [and] it becomes the headline of every news show, it's about how, when you don't have a responsibility to the next generation and you're free to do whatever you want, where do you draw the line? Eick added that Children of Men will question how society defines responsibility, freedom and a sense of values when it doesn't necessarily believe humans will survive as a species. So it's a very compelling, I think, human question that science fiction has always explored extremely provocatively, he said. It's not really a war show like the movie was. It's more an exploration of that issue. Eick is writing Children of Men now, even as he closes out SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica and prepares for production on SCI FI's recently green-lighted prequel series Caprica. Eick's Bionic, meanwhile, has been canceled by NBC. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCI FI Channel and SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=50711 Yahoo! Groups Links ⤽We must welcome the future, remembering that soon it will be the past; and we must respect the past, remembering that it was once all that was humanly possible.� -- George Santayana Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] === message truncated === Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[scifinoir2] BSG
So I am almost finished with the first season of BSG and I am torn. There are moments which flash upon potential greatness and there are moments which make me wanna burn the discs. I've never been a big fan of military Sci-fi for the most part. I am sure there are exceptions which my pre-coffee brain is not pulling to the front and center of my conciousness. I've heard raves about this show. I had high hopes. There are enough good ideas being explored to maintain my interest but the intrigue/espionage/infiltration aspects seem weak, almost laughable and the high school Poly-Sci classroom exploration of politics is at times frustrating enough to make me want to tear out my hair. Does it even out? Do the melodrama aspects shrink? Are the more interesting ideas about humanity, conciousness and choice become bigger parts of the equation? Bosco Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] BSG
I think you've hit upon it for me with this line: I for one applaud the effort if not always the execution... It's not that I hate it. It's that there are great ideas but they don't always play out right. I really want to love it but I am not quite there. However, I will be adding the other seasons to my netflix queue. Assuming that netflix gets their website up and running some time soon B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BSG was a glorious attempt...but the realities of limited resources and a viewer base that was both starved for more yet too critical of this flawed but groundbreaking show. I for one applaud the effort if not always the execution and hope this show is the platform that launches us into the next generation of realistic portrayals of the human experience in sci fi fantasy. - Original Message - From: Martin Date: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Bosco, entirely IMO, you're standing almost at the pinnacle of the run. Season 2 had a few moments for me, a few more let- downs. The absolute summit of the series, for me, was Exodus, Part Two, specifically *because* it's a military-intensive ep. Hope I haven't poisoned the well for you. Bosco Bosco wrote: So I am almost finished with the first season of BSG and I am torn. There are moments which flash upon potential greatness and there are moments which make me wanna burn the discs. I've never been a big fan of military Sci-fi for the most part. I am sure there are exceptions which my pre-coffee brain is not pulling to the front and center of my conciousness. I've heard raves about this show. I had high hopes. There are enough good ideas being explored to maintain my interest but the intrigue/espionage/infiltration aspects seem weak, almost laughable and the high school Poly-Sci classroom exploration of politics is at times frustrating enough to make me want to tear out my hair. Does it even out? Do the melodrama aspects shrink? Are the more interesting ideas about humanity, conciousness and choice become bigger parts of the equation? Bosco __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [scifinoir2] BSG
Thank God for TV on DVD B --- Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BSG is one of those shows that's great when nobody is watching it. It really should be called 'Lost' in Space, because it has all the same flaws as Lost on ABC. The show will be really well written and directed, then the words this is the best show on TV pop up, and the show takes a dive. JUST when you start to care about characters and the plot direction in BSG -- *BAM* there's a talking unicorn, you're confused, and the unicorn gets all the lines for 3 or 4 episodes. Becuase you have a life, you stop watching for 6 episodes, and you turn back to find yourself ina pretty good story arc -- that is just about to end. On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:20:14 -0400, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you've hit upon it for me with this line: I for one applaud the effort if not always the execution... It's not that I hate it. It's that there are great ideas but they don't always play out right. I really want to love it but I am not quite there. However, I will be adding the other seasons to my netflix queue. Assuming that netflix gets their website up and running some time soon B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BSG was a glorious attempt...but the realities of limited resources and a viewer base that was both starved for more yet too critical of this flawed but groundbreaking show. I for one applaud the effort if not always the execution and hope this show is the platform that launches us into the next generation of realistic portrayals of the human experience in sci fi fantasy. - Original Message - From: Martin Date: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] BSG To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Bosco, entirely IMO, you're standing almost at the pinnacle of the run. Season 2 had a few moments for me, a few more let- downs. The absolute summit of the series, for me, was Exodus, Part Two, specifically *because* it's a military-intensive ep. Hope I haven't poisoned the well for you. Bosco Bosco wrote: So I am almost finished with the first season of BSG and I am torn. There are moments which flash upon potential greatness and there are moments which make me wanna burn the discs. I've never been a big fan of military Sci-fi for the most part. I am sure there are exceptions which my pre-coffee brain is not pulling to the front and center of my conciousness. I've heard raves about this show. I had high hopes. There are enough good ideas being explored to maintain my interest but the intrigue/espionage/infiltration aspects seem weak, almost laughable and the high school Poly-Sci classroom exploration of politics is at times frustrating enough to make me want to tear out my hair. Does it even out? Do the melodrama aspects shrink? Are the more interesting ideas about humanity, conciousness and choice become bigger parts of the equation? Bosco __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com âWe must welcome the future, remembering that soon it will be the past; and we must respect the past, remembering that it was once all that was humanly possible.â -- George Santayana __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Children of Men Comes To TV
I didnt watch the Bionic Woman. Was it actually worse than the original. I would think there could be no way that would be possible. Given the guys done okay things with BSG, I would think there's at least a 10% chance this won't make me gnaw my own heart out in protest. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After seeing what Eick did to Bionic Woman, I'm terrified They are going to destroy a classic Daryle Lockhart wrote: It's time once again to play Ruin That Sci-Fi idea! today's contestant is: Sci Fi Channel! How many episodes will it take for SFC to ruin THIS idea? I have money on... one. Anybody else? On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:23:27 -0400, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eick Adapts Children For TV Bionic Woman executive producer David Eick told SCI FI Wire that he's working on a pilot script for a proposed TV series based on Children of Men, P.D. James' SF novel, which also inspired Alfonso Cuaron's 2006 film of the same name. It's really taking root more in the origins of the novels in that it will focus on the cultural movement in which young people become the society's utter focus, Eick (Battlestar Galactica) said in an interview at SCI FI Channel's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York on March 18. Much like our culture, whenever Lindsay Lohan does something [and] it becomes the headline of every news show, it's about how, when you don't have a responsibility to the next generation and you're free to do whatever you want, where do you draw the line? Eick added that Children of Men will question how society defines responsibility, freedom and a sense of values when it doesn't necessarily believe humans will survive as a species. So it's a very compelling, I think, human question that science fiction has always explored extremely provocatively, he said. It's not really a war show like the movie was. It's more an exploration of that issue. Eick is writing Children of Men now, even as he closes out SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica and prepares for production on SCI FI's recently green-lighted prequel series Caprica. Eick's Bionic, meanwhile, has been canceled by NBC. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCI FI Channel and SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=50711 Yahoo! Groups Links ⤽We must welcome the future, remembering that soon it will be the past; and we must respect the past, remembering that it was once all that was humanly possible.� -- George Santayana Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] CBS Cancels Jericho
Keith In that version of reality, I would be afraid because Simon Cowell would actually know something about music. I often make note of performers I hear on the radio or CD that would not make the cut on Idol. This always makes me giggle. Mr. Dylan your singing is lousy. You will not be going on to Hollywood. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Score one more for the demise of quality shows on TV... :( I wonder what it's like in the mirror universe? You know, that alternate reality where Jericho, John Doe, Dresden Files and Frank's Place are still on TV, and American Idol is synonymous with bad quality? ** CBS cancels 'Jericho' By James Hibberd March 22, 2008 UPDATED 1:21 p.m. PT, March 21, 2008 Complete pilot season coverage CBS has nuked Jericho. Producers were told Thursday the show is ending its run on the broadcast network, sources said. CBS will air the season finale next week with a resolution that helps give closure to fans. After the first season concluded with an abrupt cut to black, fans famously inundated CBS with tens of thousands of pounds of peanuts to urge the network to continue the show. For the seven-episode second season, producers shot two endings -- one that leaves viewers in suspense for a third round, another that is more conclusive. The ending chosen by CBS will wrap up the final season's storyline, where the nuclear war survivors of a Kansas town struggled under a violent occupation by a government contractor. The March 25th episode of Jericho will be the series finale, CBS said in a statement. Without question, there are passionate viewers watching this program; we simply wish there were more. We thank an engaged and spirited fan base for keeping the show alive this long, and an outstanding team of producers, cast and crew that went through creative hoops to deliver a compelling, high quality second season. We have no regrets bringing the show back for a second try. We listened to our viewers, gave the series an opportunity to grow, and the producers put a great story on the screen. We're proud of everyone's efforts. Tuesday's finale doesn't entirely slam the door on the series, but is notably different from the cliffhanger version, sources said. The ending also doesn't entirely preclude the possibility of Jericho finding a second life on cable. The high cost of the production, however, will likely prevent a continuation of the show. Despite the erosion of broadcast ratings in recent years, the massive protest that saved Jericho last year has been called the largest fan effort ever to try and halt a network cancellation of a series. The outcry put CBS in a tough position, whether to renew a show that has below-the-line ratings, yet unprecedented fan support. Jericho also performed well online on CBS.com and in iTunes downloads. Unfortunately for the network and fans, the second season's Nielsen ratings were even lower than the first. The most recent episodes have averaged about a 1.9 rating among adults 18 to 49 in the show's Tuesdays at 10 p.m. time period. The network's decision to cancel the show still might not have been easy, but it was easier to see coming. 'Jericho' is unique because the fans saved it -- watching it on the Internet and streaming and iTunes downloads, all those things that are not being counted, said executive producer Carol Barbee in a recent interview. That's what 'Jericho' will be known for. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Letterman's Top Ten Reasons to Watch Battlestar Galactica's New Season
That was absolutely beautiful. Interestingly, I am watching BSG for the first time. I just finished the mini series and am watching the second disc of season 1. I'm not quite sure how I feel about it yet B --- brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YatjlSJNRHMfmt=8 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Angel Writers Join Whedon's Dollhouse
AM I the only person who is on fire because Joss Whedon is making a new TV show?? I feel like I need to pinch myself B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angel Writers Join Whedon's Dollhouse Joss Whedon turns to previous collaborators for new series. by Eric Goldman http://tv.ign.com/articles/855/855581p1.html February 28, 2008 - Joss Whedon will be working with more familiar collaborators on his new series Dollhouse, as the duo of Elizabeth Craft and Sarah Fain join the writing staff. Craft and Wain first worked with Whedon as writers on Angel during the last two seasons of that series. They then joined The Shield, before leaving to work as the showrunners on ABC's recent Women's Murder Club. However, the two left that show just last week â According to Aaron Barnhart's TV Barn blog, the two were told they no longer had their Women's Murder job last Monday. Craft and Fain have an overall deal with 20th Century Fox, and were offered a new project at the studio the day after. But Fain tells Barnhart that on Wednesday, Joss emailed and said 'I'm really sorry â and is it too soon to ask you to work on Dollhouse?' Dollhouse is being produced by 20th Century Fox for the FOX network, meaning Craft and Fain could join the show as part of their deal. Craft tells Barnhart that Whedon's email came, Literally as we got home from cleaning out our offices. It cushioned the blow. According to Variety, Craft and Fain's exact titles on Dollhouse are still being worked out. Dollhouse stars Whedon alum Eliza Dushku, as one of a group of secret agents whose minds are wiped clean after every mission, only to be reprogrammed with temporary new memories for each new assignment. The series follows what happens as Dushku's character begins to remember things she's not supposed to. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Futuristic Films With Cautionary Tales
The Matrix is the ultimate cautionary tale, just not the ultimate dystopian cautionary tale. However for people who love substance over form, it is perhaps the tale for our times. It's THE example of what happens when you mix an uber excessive Budget with an utter absence of creative talent and throw in as a conceptual basis a juvenile interpretation of a poorly taught Philosophy 101 class. Throw in a gigantic assload unnecessary editing and visual theivery. Then completely overburden everything in an abundance of special effects. Do this and you can produce a debacle of a film so completely hidden behind a layer of shiny objects it's possible to fool most everyone into believeing there is actual substance and story. I have ever mentioned how much I hate the Matrix? ;) Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure i'd call The Matrix a Cautionary tale, beyond the standard don't make computers too intelligent 'cause they always turn on their creators idea. maybe it's just me, and the idea of intelligent computers farming humans seems so far in the possible futures we can have, it leans more toward true fiction and less science that i take to heart as a realistic future -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blogs.takepart.com/2008/02/13/top-10-dystopian-future-films-telling-us-to-act-now/ There is an entire genre of film out there that examines the darker side of humanity and what the future looks like if that darker side continues to thrive. It seems to me that these films offer us a great opportunity to turn a negative into a positive and thus I present you with the Top 10 Dystopian Future Films Telling Us to Act Now! The films below are the best of the dystopian bunch, each one offering us a great cinema experience as well as insight on how to make the world better today! 1. Metropolis : My # 1 dystopian adventure is also the oldest. Fritz Langâs 1927 silent, Metropolis, is about a society in 2026 (so soon!) that is split is two, with the rich living above ground and the workers below. When one of the elite goes underground, he falls in love and those above use technology to keep their delicate class system in order. The storyâs simple and the messages it provides are abundant. __ 2. Brazil : Terry Gilliamâs futuristic tale finds us all in a world of bureaucracy, where the tiniest clerical error, as our hero Sam Lowry will find out, can make you an enemy of the state. Full of images of the future and of fantasy, along with great performances from Robert DeNiro, Bob Hoskins, Ian Holm, Jonathan Pryce and especially Michael Palin, Brazil shows us how the real villain is an inefficient government. __ 3. Children of Men : Alfonso Cuaronâs movie finds us one year later than Lang and paints quite a different picture of life. Children of Menâs 2027 is a world of fear and a world without children, as women have stopped having babies (itâs also a well photographed world, with amazing cinematography from Emmanuel Lubezki). Countries are crumbling and immigration policy is beyond tight, with folks having no chance to seek a better life. The film is dismal to say the least, but if youâve seen it, there is some hope. And of course it isnât 2027 yet. __ 4. Code 46 : Michael Winterbotton takes us to a world of rules and regulations in Code 46. His future is filled with 2 worlds in a sense, there are cities and to live in a city you must have the proper paperwork, if you donât, you live on the outside, in a world seemingly left behind. Our heroes are played by Samantha Morton and Tim Robbins and even though they arenât supposed to, they fall in love and violate Code 46, a rule that speaks to the genetics of reproduction. __ 5. The Matrix : There probably isnât much I can say about The Matrix that you donât already know. Beyond amazing special effects and action moves, the hugely popular film gave us a glimpse 0f a future that wasnât real - or that is, most folks in the world of The Matrix werenât really experiencing the actual future. __ 6. Blade Runner : Ridley Scottâs world of the future finds humanity fighting a group of human-like robots they created called replicants. Harrison Fordâs Deckard is one the folks given the task of destroying the replicants that have escaped their off-world colony. Deckard and the replicants play out a fantastic film noir-esque story where the state of the planet and those on it suggest a world where An Inconvenient Truth never got released. __ 7. Fahrenheit 451 : Of all of the dire future scenarios this one somehow seems the worst to me. Francois Truffautâs 1966 film finds us all in a world without books and it is the job of Oskar Wernerâs Guy Montag to burn any books
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Lost query
Now I have to watch the enhanced versions on ABC.com to see if they present the subtitles and clues. I hope so. Sounds really fun. Thanks for the tip B --- maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I get it now. The early show was a rerun, but it included the type of things that you might get on a dvd extra. It's the Cliff Notes version of the show. So, they generously point out that the Patsy Cline music in the background is by an artist that was killed in an airline crash. And that Xanadu (another background music cue) is about an island where wishes come true. Nothing, even background music, appears by chance. Everything is a hint or a wry comment on what is happening in the scene. Cute. Considering that they lost some writing time, they are moving along at a good clip now. Quite a few mysteries solved. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am watching it right now. The 8pm show is a rerun and the 9pm show is the new episode. I have missed a couple of them but I still try and watch. **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campo\ s-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Lost query
Is it just me or does it feel like the show is dragging this season. It feels like the story is spinning in place and going nowhere. B --- maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone watching Lost? I missed a few shows and tuned into the 7 pm show thinking that it was a catch-up show for the 8 pm broadcast. I noticed last week, the 7 pm show has...not subtitles of the script...but subtitles that are hints and sometimes trivia. What's going on? For instance, last week we got hints and also trivia like what type of helicopter landed on the idea. Sometimes, it is reminders. So that I just saw one that reminded us that Kate killed her father because he was abusing her mother. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Who Mini Marathon Tomorrow
From the Wikipedia. I am big fan of the show and I can verify that the entry here is accurate. Genesis Whedon developed the concept for the show after reading The Killer Angels, a novel chronicling the Battle of Gettysburg during the American Civil War. He wished to follow people who had fought on the losing side of a war and their experiences afterwards as pioneers and immigrants on the outskirts of civilization, much like the post-American Civil War era of Reconstruction and the American Old West culture.[6] It was intended to be a Stagecoach kind of drama with a lot of people trying to figure out their lives in a bleak and pioneer environment.[7] Whedon wanted to develop a show about the tactile nature of life, a show where existence was more physical and more difficult.[8] After reading The Killer Angels, Whedon read a book about Jewish partisan fighters in World War II that also influenced him.[6] Whedon wished to create something for television that was more character-driven and gritty than modern science fiction. Television science fiction, he felt, had become too pristine and rarefied.[9] Whedon wished to give the show a name that indicated movement and power, and felt that firefly had both. This powerful word's relatively insignificant meaning, Whedon felt, added to its allure. He eventually wound up creating the ship in the image of a firefly.[8] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that. However I know that Firefly was loosely based on some kind of story. I don't believe it was an original idea. **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] New Bourne to Make Four
Someone please stop them. Like RIGHT NOW before they spawn this pointless atrocity. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New Bourne to Make Four By Natalie Finn Universal is opting to keep Jason Bourne on the run. http://tinyurl.com/yrrg5r Their ears ringing with the sound of three Oscar wins for the Bourne Ultimatum, Matt Damon and director Paul Greengrass have reportedly committed to add a fourth film to the critically acclaimed action franchise. Per Daily Variety, Damon and Greengrass, who took over from Bourne Identity director Doug Liman to helm the second and third installments in the series, are on board but because of prior commitments it could be a few years before cameras start rolling. That should give producers time to figure out Bourne's next step, considering late author Robert Ludlum penned only three bestselling novels about the amnesiac secret agent on the hunt for the shady figures who turned him into a steely killing machine. Two sequels by Eric Van Lustbader, The Bourne Legacy and The Bourne Betrayal, haven't been reviewed quite so kindly. Damon, for one, didn't seem too excited about his character's future prospects after Ultimatum's mystery-resolving (yet helpfully open-ended) denouement. I just don't see what story you could do that would feel right,'' the 37-year-old actor told Entertainment Weekly in August shortly after the third film hit theaters. ''It's not like you can bump him on the head again and give him amnesia. Someone suggested we could do one where Bourne loses his car keys...If that's what they're coming up with, maybe a break isn't a bad idea. The reigning Sexiest Man Alive and Sarah Silverman's video boy-toy said that if there was another Bourne movie it should come after audiences have had a chance to catch their collective breath. Or raise children. ''I think the way you could do a number four is to do it in, like, 10 years, Damon, who at the time also joked on The Daily Show that the next film would have to be called The Bourne Redundancy, said. ''The studio obviously wants to keep it alive. I mean, look, Universal is owned by GE. When they sell a refrigerator that works, they want to try to sell more of them. But from the creative side,this is definitely the end of the story of this guy's search for his identity.'' Greengrass said it would be the audience that ultimately decided whether another film should get made. And moviegoers acted accordingly, shelling out $443 million to bring the franchise box office total to $945 million worldwide. Critics have also been particularly kind to the franchise, singling out Damon's performance, the direction and other fine qualities that have made the films stand out in Hollywood, where big-studio action movies usually mean noise, violence, crummy dialogue and little else. At Sunday's Academy Awards ceremony, Christopher Rouse took home the statute for film editing for The Bourne Ultimatum, while the teams of Scott Millan, David Parker and Kirk Francis and Karen Baker Landers and Per Hallberg won for sound mixing and sound editing, respectively. Damon also snatched the Favorite Male Action Star crown away from perennial pirate Johnny Depp at this year's People's Choice Awards. But long before Jason Bourne dries off from that swim in the East River, Damon will film the corporate thriller The Informers for director Steven Soderbergh. He is also in talks to star in Clint Eastwood's next project, The Human Factor, a look at Nelson Mandela's life in post-apartheid South Africa. Greengrass, meanwhile, will be busy prepping his Vietnam War drama They Marched into Sunlight and putting the finishing touches on Green Zone, based on journalist Rajiv Chandrasekaran's book about the CIA's hunt for nuclear weapons in Iraq, Imperial Life in the Emerald City. Damon stars in the thriller, along with Greg Kinnear and Amy Ryan. Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] Terminator: The Can't Decide Chronicles
Thank the All That Is Holy, that I missed all of this. If I could remember the 80's, I'm sure this would have been one of the reasons why I took drugs. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. After Jamie's conversion to a cyborg and the first couple of eps--including her death during The Six Million Dollar Man--it was pretty boring. Things got worse later on when Max the Bionic Dog was introduced, and then Vince Van Patten was brought on as the Bionic Boy with super strong legs (courtesy of some chips implanted into his legs). Then there were teh TV movies back in the late '90s where there were quite a few bionic family members and villains running around! -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always thought the original Bionic Woman was awful. The thought of remaking it made me throw up a little B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. I actually skipped two weeks of it in favor of other shows and didn't miss it. I like the charaters and no show is boring, but it's not must-see. But at least it's better than Bionic Woman! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exactly how I feel, B. It's just sorta stagnant in stagnant water. But I've come to expect very little from Faux/Fixed/Fox (copyright pending...) Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've watched every episode of this show online. (I know I said I was getting cable. I'm a terrible procrastinator!!) I keep wondering when it's gonna grow that third dimension?? It's not exactly bad but it's not exactly good either. There's so much missing. The scripts are so lackluster. There's so much possibility for some humor that never gets to see the light of day. The characters never express any emotion of any sort. Hell, Cameron/Summer Glau, is the most interesting and developed character and she's an emotionless robot. I suppose I'll keep up with it and hope but the last time I did, it was that horrid Blade Business and I never ceased to be disappointed. I will say it's at least better than that. Anybody else feel different? same? B I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] White Men Hold Key for Democrats
I just got confronted with this on a personal level that's making me feel like I need a bath and a brain scrub. One of the downsides to catching up with people from the past is that the frequently turn out to be very different than they presented themselves in youth. Recently on My Space, I caught up with some old friends from the Punk Rock days of the early 80's and was confronted with the fact that they had become Conservative Republican Christians. I need a psychic enema. Please note that I am not Anti Christian. It's not my faith but I don't have any qualms with it per se. However the folks that tend to identify as Conservative Republican Christians seem to lack a clear understanding of the teachings of Jesus in my mind. The seem to be constantly saying something like Jesus: Wrong on Forgiveness, Wrong on Tolerance, Wrong On Compassion, Wrong on the Poor, Wrong on The Sick. Something about the basic message eludes them and yet they insist that they understand Christianity better than anyone. They kind of make my skin crawl. B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the America I know. It disgusts and terrifies me. Original Message Subject: White Men Hold Key for Democrats Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:56:31 -0600 From: Skee OuiZy [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*THE DECIDERS*/ *White Men Hold Key for Democrats* Contest May Hinge On Blue-Collar Vote; Opening for McCain? By *JONATHAN KAUFMAN* February 19, 2008; Page A1 YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio -- In a Democratic presidential nomination race that pits a black man against a woman, the victor may well be determined by white men. The working-class white men who toil in the steel mills and auto plants here are part of a volatile cohort that has long helped steer the nation's political course. Once, blue-collar males were the bedrock of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal coalition. They became Reagan Democrats, helping to propel Ronald Reagan into office in the 1980s. Bill Clinton won many of them back to the Democratic Party in 1992. Two years later they were angry white males, resentful of affirmative action and the women's movement, who helped Republicans capture Congress. [photo] '/It seems like someone else should be there,' says Dan Leihgeber, a smelter in a Youngstown steel plant./ Now this group of voters is set to help determine the Democratic nominee, and the next occupant of the White House. Working-class white men make up nearly one-quarter of the electorate, outnumbering African-American and Hispanic voters combined. As the Democratic primary race intensifies, some of these white men are finding it hard to identify with the remaining two candidates, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. It seems like someone else should be there, says Dan Leihgeber, a smelter in a steel plant here, who is supporting Sen. Clinton. It's like there's someone missing. As the Democratic race moves toward primaries in blue-collar strongholds -- today in Wisconsin, Ohio on March 4 and Pennsylvania on April 22 -- the allegiance of blue-collar men is up for grabs. While Sen. Clinton runs strongly among working-class women, she and Sen. Obama are perceived equally favorably among working-class men, according to a January Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. The two candidates have seesawed among blue-collar men in the primaries: Sen. Clinton won them in Georgia, Missouri and New York, while Sen. Obama captured the working-class male vote in New Hampshire, California, Maryland and Virginia. Blue-collar men could also emerge as an important swing constituency in November -- either backing the Democrats' eventual nominee, or shifting to some degree toward Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, whose war record and straight-talking approach could make him appealing to many working-class men. Marc Dann, Ohio's Democratic attorney general, frets about the reluctance of some of these blue-collar Democrats to embrace either of his party's candidates. I worry about [the appeal of] McCain, says Mr. Dann, who lives in Youngstown. It's not like watching an episode of Archie Bunker -- but there are real issues that white male voters here have with Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama. Working-class men are generally defined as those without a college degree, including union members and workers with service and technical jobs, typically making less than $50,000 a year. They are especially crucial in Ohio, where they make up about 28% of the vote, as well as other battleground states including Michigan (about 27%), West Virginia (33%), Missouri (27%), Minnesota (27%), Pennsylvania (27%), Wisconsin (29%) and Iowa (34%). In Youngstown, many working-class men say they will vote according to issues, especially economic ones including health care, free trade
Re: [scifinoir2] White Men Hold Key for Democrats
I knew I had heard that Wrong On Line somewhere. I'm not a particular fan of Mahr but that's funny. If more so called Christians were paying attention to the message rather than the dogma, the world would probably be a whole lot nicer. I saw a dude on the Colbert Report who wrote a book called Red Letter Christians. Apparently they focus their attention on the actual teachings of Jesus. They refer to themselves as Fundamentalist. I found the idea very intriguing and I am planning on reading the book B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Maher did a great joke recently on his show just like what you said. He was speaking of all the people who way WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?) and musing that most conservative Christians would attack Jesus for being too lenient on sinners. Maher said, Can you imagine if Jesus actually ran for office? I can see the ads: 'Jesus: wrong on gays, wrong on welfare, wrong for America! Though a Christian myself, and fully aware that Maher's non-belief often goes too far into contempt, I had to laugh and agree. They do indeed miss Jesus' point. But then, in a world where Christians sanctioned slavery (in several places, in several eras), gender discrimination, torture, war, etc., the fact that they've missed His message isn't too hard to fathom. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just got confronted with this on a personal level that's making me feel like I need a bath and a brain scrub. One of the downsides to catching up with people from the past is that the frequently turn out to be very different than they presented themselves in youth. Recently on My Space, I caught up with some old friends from the Punk Rock days of the early 80's and was confronted with the fact that they had become Conservative Republican Christians. I need a psychic enema. Please note that I am not Anti Christian. It's not my faith but I don't have any qualms with it per se. However the folks that tend to identify as Conservative Republican Christians seem to lack a clear understanding of the teachings of Jesus in my mind. The seem to be constantly saying something like Jesus: Wrong on Forgiveness, Wrong on Tolerance, Wrong On Compassion, Wrong on the Poor, Wrong on The Sick. Something about the basic message eludes them and yet they insist that they understand Christianity better than anyone. They kind of make my skin crawl. B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the America I know. It disgusts and terrifies me. Original Message Subject: White Men Hold Key for Democrats Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:56:31 -0600 From: Skee OuiZy [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*THE DECIDERS*/ *White Men Hold Key for Democrats* Contest May Hinge On Blue-Collar Vote; Opening for McCain? By *JONATHAN KAUFMAN* February 19, 2008; Page A1 YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio -- In a Democratic presidential nomination race that pits a black man against a woman, the victor may well be determined by white men. The working-class white men who toil in the steel mills and auto plants here are part of a volatile cohort that has long helped steer the nation's political course. Once, blue-collar males were the bedrock of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal coalition. They became Reagan Democrats, helping to propel Ronald Reagan into office in the 1980s. Bill Clinton won many of them back to the Democratic Party in 1992. Two years later they were angry white males, resentful of affirmative action and the women's movement, who helped Republicans capture Congress. [photo] '/It seems like someone else should be there,' says Dan Leihgeber, a smelter in a Youngstown steel plant./ Now this group of voters is set to help determine the Democratic nominee, and the next occupant of the White House. Working-class white men make up nearly one-quarter of the electorate, outnumbering African-American and Hispanic voters combined. As the Democratic primary race intensifies, some of these white men are finding it hard to identify with the remaining two candidates, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. It seems like someone else should be there, says Dan Leihgeber, a smelter in a steel plant here, who is supporting Sen. Clinton. It's like there's someone missing. As the Democratic race moves toward primaries in blue-collar strongholds -- today in Wisconsin, Ohio on March 4 and Pennsylvania on April 22 -- the allegiance of blue-collar men is up for grabs. While Sen. Clinton runs strongly among working-class women, she and Sen. Obama are perceived equally favorably among working-class men, according to a January Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. The two candidates have seesawed among blue-collar men in the primaries: Sen. Clinton won them
Re: [scifinoir2] Dennis Letts' Chicago Tribune Obituary
Thank You so much. My Mom is gonna be at the Memorial on Thursday. I can't make it from Austin to Tulsa so I'm gonna spend Thursday remembering a Great Man while friends and family gather at the memorial. B --- ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi- hed_letts_25feb25,0,7329778.story chicagotribune.com Obituaries | Dennis Letts: 1934 - 2008 Actor's dream came true in his son's play Despite cancer, Broadway show went on for Chicago author's dad By Chris Jones Tribune reporter February 25, 2008 NEW YORK Dennis Letts, 73, the father of Chicago playwright Tracy Letts and a college professor who enjoyed Broadway acclaim in the final months of his life, died of cancer Friday, Feb. 22, in Tulsa, his son said. Until his last few days, Dennis Letts was appearing on Broadway in his son's critically acclaimed drama, August: Osage County, a production of Chicago's Steppenwolf Theatre Company. Last summer in Chicago, Mr. Letts originated the role of Beverly Weston, a college professor and avuncular patriarch who was based, in part, on himself. Mr. Letts was a professor of literature and writing for most of his career, which was spent mostly at Southeastern Oklahoma State University. But few retired professors get to appear on Broadway in their son's hit play -- an unusual state of familial affairs that Mr. Letts, who began acting at age 50 and moved from community theaters to the Great White Way, clearly relished. That cast really loved Dennis, Martha Lavey, the artistic director of the Steppenwolf, said Sunday. It was wonderful that he was able to do such a role at that point in his life. Steve Traxler, a producer of the Broadway show, called Mr. Letts' death very sad news. In a statement, Tracy Letts said that his father had been diagnosed with lung cancer in September, after the Chicago run of the play but before its move to New York. His choice to persevere with the New York production in the face of his devastating diagnosis is a testament to his love for the project and the people involved, Letts said. Dad had a full and fascinating life, and 'August: Osage County' was the cherry on top. Mr. Letts also is survived by his wife, Billie; and two other sons, Dana and Shawn; and a brother, Ray Don. A service for Letts will be held Thursday in Oklahoma. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[scifinoir2] Terminator: The Can't Decide Chronicles
So I've watched every episode of this show online. (I know I said I was getting cable. I'm a terrible procrastinator!!) I keep wondering when it's gonna grow that third dimension?? It's not exactly bad but it's not exactly good either. There's so much missing. The scripts are so lackluster. There's so much possibility for some humor that never gets to see the light of day. The characters never express any emotion of any sort. Hell, Cameron/Summer Glau, is the most interesting and developed character and she's an emotionless robot. I suppose I'll keep up with it and hope but the last time I did, it was that horrid Blade Business and I never ceased to be disappointed. I will say it's at least better than that. Anybody else feel different? same? B I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] Terminator: The Can't Decide Chronicles
I always thought the original Bionic Woman was awful. The thought of remaking it made me throw up a little B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. I actually skipped two weeks of it in favor of other shows and didn't miss it. I like the charaters and no show is boring, but it's not must-see. But at least it's better than Bionic Woman! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exactly how I feel, B. It's just sorta stagnant in stagnant water. But I've come to expect very little from Faux/Fixed/Fox (copyright pending...) Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've watched every episode of this show online. (I know I said I was getting cable. I'm a terrible procrastinator!!) I keep wondering when it's gonna grow that third dimension?? It's not exactly bad but it's not exactly good either. There's so much missing. The scripts are so lackluster. There's so much possibility for some humor that never gets to see the light of day. The characters never express any emotion of any sort. Hell, Cameron/Summer Glau, is the most interesting and developed character and she's an emotionless robot. I suppose I'll keep up with it and hope but the last time I did, it was that horrid Blade Business and I never ceased to be disappointed. I will say it's at least better than that. Anybody else feel different? same? B I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Let's all become friends on Netflix
Here's me http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P8oniMWG9nwwxreMb0bB I like seeing what other people are getting and what they have viewed B --- tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Earlier today, Bosco put us onto Netflix friends. You can be come my Netflix friend by clicking on the following link: http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/PBZceQv3iPVDEm3v4oWm Netflix Friends allows you to share movie ideas and notes with your friends. First you invite friends to connect with you and when they accept, they are part of your Friends list. With Netflix friends, you can see what each of your friends think about specific movies, suggest movies them and add comments next to films that will help your friends choose movies or avoid those you didn't enjoy. So lets see if those of us who get films from Netflix, can all come together via Netflix to make recommendations to eachother, share reviews, and who knows what. You can be come my Netflix friend by clicking on the following link: http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/PBZceQv3iPVDEm3v4oWm I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Akira cartoon gets new life with DiCaprio, WB
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I also think he wants to be know more than the pretty boy f from Titanic and wants a long career in and out of acting. Well I first remember him from What'se ating Gilbert Grape so Titanic was essentially a disappointing but necessary career move in my mind. That said, Titanic was ten years ago and he's done some amazing work since then with a lot of industry recognition. Gangs Of New York, The Aviator, and The Departed seem to have set him apart artistically and proven his box office draw. I think it's more that he's at the point that he can do what he wants when he wants. I think the Akira project supports that. B I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] McCain hopes Castro to meet Marx soon
You admired an image that had absolutley nothing to do with reality. He's idependent when it's convenient and he's not when it's not. Up to November he was staunchly anti-torture. Come February, he's voting to make Waterboarding legal. Almost immediately after he's recieving the support various major important conservative coalitions and pundits who had previously been villifying him. I can't say for sure any deals were struck but I sure do smell some party-line stink in the air. I've always thought that John McCain is just another rich white tool who's essentially down for the rich white tool platform. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't believe I used to admire this guy for his indepence. He is truly scary Martin wrote: John McCain, USNA '58. We're so proud of him. :P Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By Jason Szep Fri Feb 22, 11:34 AM ET http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080222/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_usa_politics_mccain_castro;_ylt=AmvlgDEPu9NzP1gcKIAEaHztiBIF INDIANAPOLIS (Reuters) - Republican presidential front-runner John McCain suggested on Friday that he hoped retired Cuban leader Fidel Castro would die soon and said Castro's brother will be a worse leader. I hope he has the opportunity to meet Karl Marx very soon, McCain told a town-hall style meeting of about 150 people, referring to communist theoretician Marx who died on March 14, 1883. Castro, 81, announced on Tuesday he was stepping down as president and commander-in-chief of Cuba's armed forces after 49 years in power. His brother Raul Castro is expected to be named Cuba's new head of state on Sunday. Apparently he is trying to groom his brother Raul, McCain said. Raul is worse in many respects than Fidel was. Castro has not appeared in public since undergoing stomach surgery and handing power temporarily to Raul in July 2006. McCain, a four-term Arizona senator, has an almost insurmountable lead over his last major Republican rival, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. McCain's approach to Cuba has generally echoed that of U.S. President George W. Bush, who has tightened a decades-long trade embargo and has rejected easing sanctions without a transition to democracy. McCain, who is popular among conservative Cuban-Americans, also has said that if he wins the November 4 U.S. presidential election he would keep up pressure for political change in Cuba's one-party state. That includes a travel ban and trade and financial sanctions enforced a few years after Castro's 1959 revolution on the Caribbean island. McCain, 71, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, has accused Cubans of participating in the torture of some of his fellow prisoners in Hanoi during the Vietnam War. (To read more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters Tales from the Trail: 2008 online at http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/) (Editing by Bill Trott) Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[scifinoir2] Blog
I blog on My Space. I generally just do it to mark little places that interest me in my life. Today was a little different and I wanted to share with the class A Man Of Influence Current mood: sad In the early 1980's my Mother was in graduate school getting a Doctorate in English. When she graduated, she took a job at a small college in Durant, Ok and I spent my last year of high school there. After dropping out, I got a GED, failed my first semester of college, joined the army, got discharged from the Army after basic, and basically kind of lived aimlessly for a couple of years. In the mid 80's, I returned to Durant to make another run at college. I enrolled in a course taught by one of my mother's friendliest colleagues. On the first day of class, Dennis Letts walked into the room, and slammed a gigantic stack of books on the desk. With a pointed and wagging finger and a voice focused in an even a more pointed half growling tone, he pronounced to the class, Everything you know is wrong! It was the most dramatic entrance by a teacher I have ever observed. Dennis spent the rest of the semester showing us that he was right. I have known quite a few good teachers in my life. I remember great lessons, great lectures, great insights and great inspirations that have been offered me by those teachers. Not one among them had more impact or influence on me than Dennis Letts. The memory of that first day of my first class with Dennis has lived in my mind, brilliant and cherished, for more than two decades. I was raised almost from birth to think critically and to examine thoughts and ideas. From Dennis, I learned why questioning my own opinions and beliefs to determine their value was important. He showed me again and again that until my opinions and beliefs have the weight of well measured reason behind them, they are by nature valueless because they are purposeless. Dennis Letts also recognized in me a talent for writing of which I was completely unaware. His encouragment and initial direction provided me with a tool that has given me more self confidence and strength than he was probably ever aware. Singularly, writing has served me well over the years in defining thoughts and feelings. Through writing I find a uniquely satisfying way to navigate the world when I find it overwhelming, absurd or hilarious. I would never have found the way without Dennis Letts. I think back now over my experiences with Dennis and I am amazed at the way one person's influence continues to resonate through me even though it has been literally years upon years since I have seen or spoken to him. A couple of months back my Mom reported to me that Dennis was very very ill. and his time was short. In typical Dennis fashion he spent the last bit of his time among the living working creatively. He had started an acting career in the 80's and had pursued it with determination. I counted 46 different credits under his name on the Internet Movie Database. Not too shabby for a guy who began his professional acting career in the middle of his life. I am told he had dreamed for many years of appearing on Broadway. This year a play called August Osage County, written by his son Tracy Letts, debuted there and Dennis Letts achieved that dream. It opened to critical acclaim and praise. I literally danced when I heard the news of how well they had done. Over many years now past, I have kept up with Dennis primarily through my mother. We've been seperated by time and geography but that has not kept kept me from gleefully enjoying tales of his exploits and achievements and giggling at the tales of his silliness. I was glad to know that he had remained true to his passions and his art and that he had lived the life he wanted. This morning I got an email from my mother that Dennis had passed on. Thoughts of him have flooded my mind. In between tears and chuckles, I remember a man who has gifted me with more than he probably ever knew. I remember a man who's influence has permeated me to my core. I can say readily and easily that I am the person I am today in no small measure because of Dennis. I will always remember him as the man who taught me why to be right and when to be wrong. I don't know if he understood that he was not only gifted teacher, but great teacher. I hope he knew and I will always remember him as such. Farewell, Dennis Letts. Your time here was appreciated and I will always be grateful for your presence in my life. I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] Blog
Thanks, I did send it to my Mom and some mutual friends. You can find me at http://www.myspace.com/boscoworld B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You essay made me wish he had been one of my professors. I hope your sent this to your mom so she can share this with his family. It is a beautiful tribute. In the meantime, can we have the link to your my space site? Might I suggest you go rent something he was in? When somebody I got to know during my brief acting/music career stint died, I went out and rented a movie he had a part in. When I miss find my self reminiscing about the old days going on casting calls with my cousin, I check out Trading Places. She was only in it for five minutes - probably less, but its my way of having her back for a while. Tracey Bosco Bosco wrote: I blog on My Space. I generally just do it to mark little places that interest me in my life. Today was a little different and I wanted to share with the class A Man Of Influence Current mood: sad In the early 1980's my Mother was in graduate school getting a Doctorate in English. When she graduated, she took a job at a small college in Durant, Ok and I spent my last year of high school there. After dropping out, I got a GED, failed my first semester of college, joined the army, got discharged from the Army after basic, and basically kind of lived aimlessly for a couple of years. In the mid 80's, I returned to Durant to make another run at college. I enrolled in a course taught by one of my mother's friendliest colleagues. On the first day of class, Dennis Letts walked into the room, and slammed a gigantic stack of books on the desk. With a pointed and wagging finger and a voice focused in an even a more pointed half growling tone, he pronounced to the class, Everything you know is wrong! It was the most dramatic entrance by a teacher I have ever observed. Dennis spent the rest of the semester showing us that he was right. I have known quite a few good teachers in my life. I remember great lessons, great lectures, great insights and great inspirations that have been offered me by those teachers. Not one among them had more impact or influence on me than Dennis Letts. The memory of that first day of my first class with Dennis has lived in my mind, brilliant and cherished, for more than two decades. I was raised almost from birth to think critically and to examine thoughts and ideas. From Dennis, I learned why questioning my own opinions and beliefs to determine their value was important. He showed me again and again that until my opinions and beliefs have the weight of well measured reason behind them, they are by nature valueless because they are purposeless. Dennis Letts also recognized in me a talent for writing of which I was completely unaware. His encouragment and initial direction provided me with a tool that has given me more self confidence and strength than he was probably ever aware. Singularly, writing has served me well over the years in defining thoughts and feelings. Through writing I find a uniquely satisfying way to navigate the world when I find it overwhelming, absurd or hilarious. I would never have found the way without Dennis Letts. I think back now over my experiences with Dennis and I am amazed at the way one person's influence continues to resonate through me even though it has been literally years upon years since I have seen or spoken to him. A couple of months back my Mom reported to me that Dennis was very very ill. and his time was short. In typical Dennis fashion he spent the last bit of his time among the living working creatively. He had started an acting career in the 80's and had pursued it with determination. I counted 46 different credits under his name on the Internet Movie Database. Not too shabby for a guy who began his professional acting career in the middle of his life. I am told he had dreamed for many years of appearing on Broadway. This year a play called August Osage County, written by his son Tracy Letts, debuted there and Dennis Letts achieved that dream. It opened to critical acclaim and praise. I literally danced when I heard the news of how well they had done. Over many years now past, I have kept up with Dennis primarily through my mother. We've been seperated by time and geography but that has not kept kept me from gleefully enjoying tales of his exploits and achievements and giggling at the tales of his silliness. I was glad to know that he had remained true to his passions and his art and that he had lived the life he wanted. This morning I got an email from my mother that Dennis had passed on. Thoughts of him have flooded my mind. In between tears and chuckles, I remember a man who has gifted me
Re: [scifinoir2] Blog
His Wife wrote the Novel Where The Heart Is. The movie is based on the book. Oprah made the book one of her book club picks. They're a talented Family. I'm gonna hang with my oldest son tonight so a movie may not be on the agenda. I've seen them all. I'll probably just dwell on my good memories --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is on TNT and Oxygen today with Fire Down Below and Where The Heart Is Bosco Bosco wrote: Thanks, I did send it to my Mom and some mutual friends. You can find me at http://www.myspace.com/boscoworld B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You essay made me wish he had been one of my professors. I hope your sent this to your mom so she can share this with his family. It is a beautiful tribute. In the meantime, can we have the link to your my space site? Might I suggest you go rent something he was in? When somebody I got to know during my brief acting/music career stint died, I went out and rented a movie he had a part in. When I miss find my self reminiscing about the old days going on casting calls with my cousin, I check out Trading Places. She was only in it for five minutes - probably less, but its my way of having her back for a while. Tracey Bosco Bosco wrote: I blog on My Space. I generally just do it to mark little places that interest me in my life. Today was a little different and I wanted to share with the class A Man Of Influence Current mood: sad In the early 1980's my Mother was in graduate school getting a Doctorate in English. When she graduated, she took a job at a small college in Durant, Ok and I spent my last year of high school there. After dropping out, I got a GED, failed my first semester of college, joined the army, got discharged from the Army after basic, and basically kind of lived aimlessly for a couple of years. In the mid 80's, I returned to Durant to make another run at college. I enrolled in a course taught by one of my mother's friendliest colleagues. On the first day of class, Dennis Letts walked into the room, and slammed a gigantic stack of books on the desk. With a pointed and wagging finger and a voice focused in an even a more pointed half growling tone, he pronounced to the class, Everything you know is wrong! It was the most dramatic entrance by a teacher I have ever observed. Dennis spent the rest of the semester showing us that he was right. I have known quite a few good teachers in my life. I remember great lessons, great lectures, great insights and great inspirations that have been offered me by those teachers. Not one among them had more impact or influence on me than Dennis Letts. The memory of that first day of my first class with Dennis has lived in my mind, brilliant and cherished, for more than two decades. I was raised almost from birth to think critically and to examine thoughts and ideas. From Dennis, I learned why questioning my own opinions and beliefs to determine their value was important. He showed me again and again that until my opinions and beliefs have the weight of well measured reason behind them, they are by nature valueless because they are purposeless. Dennis Letts also recognized in me a talent for writing of which I was completely unaware. His encouragment and initial direction provided me with a tool that has given me more self confidence and strength than he was probably ever aware. Singularly, writing has served me well over the years in defining thoughts and feelings. Through writing I find a uniquely satisfying way to navigate the world when I find it overwhelming, absurd or hilarious. I would never have found the way without Dennis Letts. I think back now over my experiences with Dennis and I am amazed at the way one person's influence continues to resonate through me even though it has been literally years upon years since I have seen or spoken to him. A couple of months back my Mom reported to me that Dennis was very very ill. and his time was short. In typical Dennis fashion he spent the last bit of his time among the living working creatively. He had started an acting career in the 80's and had pursued it with determination. I counted 46 different credits under his name on the Internet Movie Database
Re: [scifinoir2] Weapons Screening Stopped at Obama Rally
We have officially moved into F'd up and totally scary spooky. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message Subject: Police concerned about order to stop weapons screening at Obama rally Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:37:56 -0800 From: Chris de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'julia demorsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'paul demorsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.star-telegram.com/dallas_news/story/486413.html *Police concerned about order to stop weapons screening at Obama rally* *By JACK DOUGLAS Jr.* *Star-Telegram Staff Writer* Barack Obama speaks Wednesday at a Democratic rally in Dallas' Reunion Arena. Police were told to stop screening people for weapons before the rally began. http://media.star-telegram.com/smedia/2008/02/21/05/416-324450-268988.standalone.prod_affiliate.58.jpg STAR-TELEGRAM/RODGER MALLISON Barack Obama speaks Wednesday at a Democratic rally in Dallas' Reunion Arena. Police were told to stop screening people for weapons before the rally began. DALLAS -- Security details at Barack Obama's rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena. The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security. Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department's homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order -- apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service -- was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena's vacant seats before Obama came on. Sure, said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the great number of people who had gotten into the building without being checked. But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a friendly crowd. The Secret Service did not return a call from the //Star-Telegram// seeking comment. Doors opened to the public at 10 a.m., and for the first hour security officers scanned each person who came in and checked their belongings in a process that kept movement of the long lines at a crawl. Then, about 11 a.m., an order came down to allow the people in without being checked. Several Dallas police officers said it worried them that the arena was packed with people who got in without even a cursory inspection. They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the order was made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the event. How can you not be concerned in this day and age, said one policeman. JACK DOUGLAS Jr., 817-390-7700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] Weapons Screening Stopped at Obama Rally
I don't understand what you mean? Could you please explain?
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--- buky90 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
fairy tale land i dont know what world he lives in but... oh yeah
hes a
politician.
On 2/22/08, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have officially moved into F'd up and totally scary spooky.
Bosco
--- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com
wrote:
Original Message
Subject: Police concerned about order to stop weapons screening
at
Obama rally
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:37:56 -0800
From: Chris de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cdemorsella%40yahoo.com
To: Tracey de Morsella
[EMAIL PROTECTED]tdemorsella%40multiculturaladvantage.com
,
'julia
demorsella' [EMAIL PROTECTED] juliaisha%40yahoo.it, 'paul
demorsella'
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http://www.star-telegram.com/dallas_news/story/486413.html
*Police concerned about order to stop weapons screening at
Obama
rally*
*By JACK DOUGLAS Jr.*
*Star-Telegram Staff Writer*
Barack Obama speaks Wednesday at a Democratic rally in Dallas'
Reunion
Arena. Police were told to stop screening people for weapons
before
the
rally began.
http://media.star-telegram.com/smedia/2008/02/21/05/416-324450-268988.standalone.prod_affiliate.58.jpg
STAR-TELEGRAM/RODGER MALLISON
Barack Obama speaks Wednesday at a Democratic rally in Dallas'
Reunion
Arena. Police were told to stop screening people for weapons
before
the
rally began.
DALLAS -- Security details at Barack Obama's rally Wednesday
stopped
screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an
hour
before
the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion
Arena.
The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking
purses
and
laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police
officers
who
said they believed it was a lapse in security.
Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police
Department's homeland security and special operations
divisions,
said
the order -- apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service -- was
meant to
speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena's vacant
seats
before
Obama came on.
Sure, said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the
great
number of people who had gotten into the building without being
checked.
But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to
be
a
friendly crowd.
The Secret Service did not return a call from the
//Star-Telegram//
seeking comment.
Doors opened to the public at 10 a.m., and for the first hour
security
officers scanned each person who came in and checked their
belongings in
a process that kept movement of the long lines at a crawl.
Then,
about
11 a.m., an order came down to allow the people in without
being
checked.
Several Dallas police officers said it worried them that the
arena
was
packed with people who got in without even a cursory
inspection.
They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the
order
was
made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the
event.
How can you not be concerned in this day and age, said one
policeman.
JACK DOUGLAS Jr., 817-390-7700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jld%40star-telegram.com mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jld%40star-telegram.com
Yahoo! Groups Links
I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.
__
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Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
You know these things that happen,
That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[scifinoir2]netflix
Aloha I'm looking for netflix friends. Drop me a line if you're interested Bosco I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] John McCain emphatically denies romantic relationship
if you'd like some more insight into the culpability of the Times, the Post and other bastions of the liberal media, check out Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media. That the left's foremost thinker is essentially unknown in his own country underscores the idea that the various liberal media outlets are as liberal as the multi-national corporations that own them. If that's not enough evidence, try to find an article by Greg Palast published in a paper in the US. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin, you read my mind!! I was just stomping around the house today saying the very same thing. The Times released a statement today saying in effect, we don't ever publish anything unless we've checked the facts, and i immediately said, oh, like you fact-checked the *dozens* of articles you gave front page space to supporting Bush's dumb ass lies?. I've listened to Bill Moyers' Buying the War program half a dozen times, and the Times was as culpabe, as criminally, unforgivably *wrong*, as everyone else. I can honestly say I don't when my respect for them and many other supposedly free-thinking outlets will ever be restored. Guess it's Tavis Smiley and Democracy Now and McClatchy for me! -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing that strikes me as funny in this is that the right-wingers are all decrying this, painting the Times as that liberal rag. How quickly they forget that, back during the run-up to the War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), the Times was right in lockstep with the GOP in prosecuting the War. I guess they're only good as long as they're spouting *your* propaganda... ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist McCain says report on lobbyist not true By LIBBY QUAID, Associated 1 hour, 44 minutes ago John McCain emphatically denied a romantic relationship with a female telecommunications lobbyist on Thursday and said a report by The New York Times suggesting favoritism for her clients is not true. I'm very disappointed in the article. It's not true, the likely Republican presidential nominee said as his wife, Cindy, stood beside him during a news conference called to address the matter. I've served this nation honorably for more than half a century, said McCain, a four-term Arizona senator and former Navy pilot. At no time have I ever done anything that would betray the public trust. I intend to move on, he added. McCain described the woman in question, lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as a friend. The newspaper quoted anonymous aides as saying they had urged McCain and Iseman to stay away from each other prior to his failed presidential campaign in 2000. In its own follow-up story, The Washington Post quoted longtime aide John Weaver, who split with McCain last year, as saying he met with lobbyist Iseman and urged her to steer clear of McCain. Weaver told the Times he arranged the meeting before the 2000 campaign after a discussion among the campaign leadership about Iseman. But McCain said he was unaware of any such conversation, and denied that his aides ever tried to talk to him about his interactions with Iseman. I never discussed it with John Weaver. As far as I know, there was no necessity for it, McCain said. I don't know anything about it, he added. John Weaver is a friend of mine. He remains a friend of mine. But I certainly didn't know anything of that nature. His wife also said she was disappointed with the newspaper. More importantly, my children and I not only trust my husband, but know that he would never do anything to not only disappoint our family, but disappoint the people of America. He's a man of great character, Cindy McCain said. The couple smiled throughout the questioning at a Toledo hotel. We think the story speaks for itself, Times executive editor Bill Keller said in a written statement Thursday. On the timing, our policy is we publish stories when they are ready. McCain's remaining rival for the Republican nomination, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, called McCain a good decent honorable man and said he accepted McCain's response. I've campaigned now on the same stage or platform with John McCain for 14 months. I only know him to be a man of integrity, Huckabee said in Houston. Today he denied any of that was true. I take him at his word. For me to get into it is completely immaterial. The published reports said McCain and Iseman each denied having a romantic relationship. Neither story asserted that there was a romantic relationship and offered no evidence that there was, reporting only that aides worried about the appearance of McCain having close ties to a lobbyist with business before the Senate Commerce Committee on which McCain served. The stories also allege that McCain wrote letters
Re: [scifinoir2] FW: BIBLE AT YOUR FINGER TIPS
Which Bible? Bosco --- Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, You can now read the Bible at the click of a button. http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/?action=getVersionInfovid=31 New International Version (NIV) Book Chapters Genesis 1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=1version=31 2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=2version=31 3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=3version=31 4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=4version=31 5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=5version=31 6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=6version=31 7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=7version=31 8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=8version=31 9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1a%20mp;chapter=9version=31 10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=10version=31 11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=11version=31 12 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=12version=31 13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=13version=31 14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=14version=31 15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=15version=31 16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=16version=31 17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=17version=31 18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=18version=%2031 19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=19version=31 20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=20version=31 21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=21version=31 22 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=22version=31 23 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=23version=31 24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=24version=31 25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=25version=31 26 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=26version=31 27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=27version=31 28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=28version=31 29 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=29version=31 30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=30version=31 31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=31version=31 32 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=32version=31 33 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=33version=31 34 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=34version=31 35 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=35version=31 36 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=36version=31 37 http://www.bib%20legateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=37version=31 38 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=38version=31 39 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=39version=31 40 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=40version=31 41 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=41version=31 42 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=42version=31 43 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=43version=31 44 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=44version=31 45 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=45version=31 46 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?b%20ook_id=1chapter=46version=31 47 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=47version=31 48 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=48version=31 49 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=49version=31 50 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1chapter=50version=31 Exodus 1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=1version=31 2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=2version=31 3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=3version=31 4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=4version=31 5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=5version=31 6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=6version=31 7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=7version=31 8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=8version=31 9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2a%20mp;chapter=9version=31 10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=10version=31 11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=11version=31 12 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=12version=31 13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=13version=31 14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=14version=31 15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2chapter=15version=31
Re: [scifinoir2] Animated Star Wars Movie, Series Coming This Year
Dude Episode 3 is Lucas' last chance to redeem the self rape of what should have been the the greatest science fiction legacy of all time. That Lucas did that to his own work is painful to remember much less ever watch again. That said, Let me recap what's wrong with Episode 3 with a short rewrite/synopsis of the final moments before Anakin becomes the greatest villian of all time Anakin. I'm terrified you are going to die like my mother. I had to side with the Emperor to save you Padme: I can't believe you'd do this. You're killing me. Obi-Wan agrees this is terrible Anakin: You betrayed me to Obi-Wan. Die bitch Die. From highly fear motivated tragic figure to pointless ignominy in the space of two minutes. Lucas should have just wiped his but with Movie Posters from Episodes 4-6 and filmed himself flushing it. It would have been better than those first three episodes. I'm still crying today. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clone Wars' is some of the best animation I've ever seen, in terms of quality of writing and action. But what else would you expect from the man behind Samurai Jack, another huge fave of mine? As for the films, i agree, i was underwhelmed with 1 -3, especially 1, which i hated. I've only watched it once, which for me, is saying a great deal. Ep 2 is only marginally better, picks up in action only in the last 45 minutes, has painfully bad dialog between the young lovers. Ep 3 is good, but still has crappy dialogue and stilted acting. I was disappointed that some battles weren't as long and exciting as the trailers led me to believe (when the evil Senator kills the Jedi who confront him, Mace's fights with the Senator and Anakin, Obi Wan's battle with Grievous). Good movie, would have benefitted from the superiour writing that was evident in The Empire Strikes Back. But, I will say one thing about the first three flicks: Ep 2 has one of the most awesome, pulse-pounding scenes--two actually--in all of the films. At the very end when the Jedi are standing above a vast field of spaceships going off to battle, untold thousands of clones marching into them, and the ships blasting off with thunderous engines--wow! I remember trying to take the whole scene in in the theatre. And as that trademark music started up and Yoda says Begun the Clone Wars has, I was thrilled. Watching all the ships that we *know* will later become the tools of the Empire? Wow. And didja catch Jimmy Smits' character at that moment? He has a look of profound regret on his face at this necessary evil. He even pounds the railing of the ledge on which he's standing once, as if to say I hate that it's come to this. Then, they seque into Anakin and Padme getting married, which really blew me away. Those last few minutes are the best in the whole film. If only the whole thin g could have been on that level. -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm in for a Clone Wars feature. I thought the series was pretty good and gave depth to some of the characters I was actually interested in. I like Star Wars a lot and episodes 1-3 really fell short for me, personally. I thought Clone Wars was better than all three films. Lucas needs to le this live action project go. My son and I have been playing the Star Was Lego video game for 2 months now, and I have to say...even THAT's better than 1-3. On 2/13/08 10:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that the one guy states animated films always appeal to a younger audience kind of troubles me. Such an American attitude. Not the greatest fan of CGI animated films, either. I wish they could have brought back genius Gendy Tartakovsky, who did the great Clone Wars animated shorts for Cartoon Network. Unless the series is exceptionally good, a CGI series aimed at younger audience won't reel me in, especially since I like Star Wars, but can't really call myself a fan. *** New `Star Wars' Film Animated Will Be By JAKE COYLE 3 hours ago NEW YORK (AP) The Star Wars universe, already substantially rendered by computer generated imagery, is giving in all the way to animation. Star Wars: The Clone Wars, an animated film, will open in theaters Aug. 15 and be followed by a TV series of the same name, to air on the Cartoon Network and TNT this fall. I felt there were a lot more `Star Wars' stories left to tell, said Star Wars creator George Lucas in a statement. I was eager to start telling some of them through animation and, at the same time, push the animation forward. Produced by Lucasfilm Animation, both the film and TV show will be distributed through Time Warner Inc., which owns TNT, the Cartoon Network and the film's distributor, Warner Bros. Lucas, who serves as executive producer, is also planning a live-action television series spinoff of the franchise, which he
Re: [scifinoir2] Animated Star Wars Movie, Series Coming This Year
I had waited for that moment from the second I began to hear about the origin of Vader and dreamed of the telling of that part of the story since I was a teenager. I figured he was gonna blow it after I saw Phantom Menace but I held on to hope that no one was dumb enough to destroy their own legacy that brutally given their endless options, resources and desire to tell the story. I can't imagine what the hell he was thinking. I really would love to see a real director take that story and remake it from start to finish with real scripts and a greater eye to character development out side the realm of 2D. I think that this is a place Joss Whedon could actually do something brilliant with the source material. B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ha-ha-ha! It was pretty cheesy wasn't it? I'm still tripping over Darth James Earl Jones Vader, going Is Padme alright?, then, finding the truth, Noo! I actually laughed at that supposedly poignant scened, with his Frankenstein walk and melodramatic acting. Ep 3 has a good premise, moments that could have been so much more. But frankly Lucas isn't a great writer or director and he couldn't put life into his own characters. Look at the expression on Obi Wan's face when he watches the recording of Anankin/Darth killing the younglings. It should have been an intensely painful moment, yet McGregor--a really good actor--looks more like he's in a trance, or perhaps trying to remember his lines. I kept thinking that's it??? Even if he were in a state of shock, it just didn't look right. -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dude Episode 3 is Lucas' last chance to redeem the self rape of what should have been the the greatest science fiction legacy of all time. That Lucas did that to his own work is painful to remember much less ever watch again. That said, Let me recap what's wrong with Episode 3 with a short rewrite/synopsis of the final moments before Anakin becomes the greatest villian of all time Anakin. I'm terrified you are going to die like my mother. I had to side with the Emperor to save you Padme: I can't believe you'd do this. You're killing me. Obi-Wan agrees this is terrible Anakin: You betrayed me to Obi-Wan. Die bitch Die. From highly fear motivated tragic figure to pointless ignominy in the space of two minutes. Lucas should have just wiped his but with Movie Posters from Episodes 4-6 and filmed himself flushing it. It would have been better than those first three episodes. I'm still crying today. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clone Wars' is some of the best animation I've ever seen, in terms of quality of writing and action. But what else would you expect from the man behind Samurai Jack, another huge fave of mine? As for the films, i agree, i was underwhelmed with 1 -3, especially 1, which i hated. I've only watched it once, which for me, is saying a great deal. Ep 2 is only marginally better, picks up in action only in the last 45 minutes, has painfully bad dialog between the young lovers. Ep 3 is good, but still has crappy dialogue and stilted acting. I was disappointed that some battles weren't as long and exciting as the trailers led me to believe (when the evil Senator kills the Jedi who confront him, Mace's fights with the Senator and Anakin, Obi Wan's battle with Grievous). Good movie, would have benefitted from the superiour writing that was evident in The Empire Strikes Back. But, I will say one thing about the first three flicks: Ep 2 has one of the most awesome, pulse-pounding scenes--two actually--in all of the films. At the very end when the Jedi are standing above a vast field of spaceships going off to battle, untold thousands of clones marching into them, and the ships blasting off with thunderous engines--wow! I remember trying to take the whole scene in in the theatre. And as that trademark music started up and Yoda says Begun the Clone Wars has, I was thrilled. Watching all the ships that we *know* will later become the tools of the Empire? Wow. And didja catch Jimmy Smits' character at that moment? He has a look of profound regret on his face at this necessary evil. He even pounds the railing of the ledge on which he's standing once, as if to say I hate that it's come to this. Then, they seque into Anakin and Padme getting married, which really blew me away. Those last few minutes are the best in the whole film. If only the whole thin g could have been on that level. -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm in for a Clone Wars feature. I thought the series was pretty good and gave depth to some of the characters I was actually interested in. I like Star Wars a lot and episodes 1-3 really fell short for me, personally. I thought Clone Wars was better than all three films. Lucas needs
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
oops that was supposed to go directly to Keith. Please ignore B --- Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Keith I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not caused offense. thanks B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, dad! :) thanks, seriously, though -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights and the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? Bravo!!! Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve think. Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, harmful to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they don't know it themselves. Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal and influential minority) of the population wanted something that wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: when whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans wanted their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say If only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of what was popular. After 9-11, this country wanted blood--anyone's blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and his gang poin ted us in that direction, then said This is what they want. And all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid to buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make decisions based on more information and considered thought than I have. If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger picture in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is proof of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous foreign policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is and then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to get us to go in cert ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that leader will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. A balancing act. But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing instead of the right thing? A -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a public official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that my officials here really supported my beliefs instead of catering to the religious right. Of course, you can say that they are supporting them---but that's my point. Wasn't he being
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign Off List
Hey Keith I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not caused offense. thanks B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, dad! :) thanks, seriously, though -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for??? Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights and the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? Bravo!!! Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve think. Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, harmful to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they don't know it themselves. Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal and influential minority) of the population wanted something that wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: when whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans wanted their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say If only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of what was popular. After 9-11, this country wanted blood--anyone's blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and his gang poin ted us in that direction, then said This is what they want. And all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid to buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make decisions based on more information and considered thought than I have. If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger picture in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is proof of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous foreign policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is and then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to get us to go in cert ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that leader will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. A balancing act. But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing instead of the right thing? A -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a public official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that my officials here really supported my beliefs instead of catering to the religious right. Of course, you can say that they are supporting them---but that's my point. Wasn't he being a true representative of Mass. voters at that time? Now he is claiming that he could be a true representative of conservative voters. Isn't that his job? I am still recalling listening to a This American Life episode in which a guy who
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign
Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights and the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see? Bravo!!! Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind: weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve think. Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat, harmful to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they don't know it themselves. Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal and influential minority) of the population wanted something that wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run: when whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans wanted their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally, or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say If only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of what was popular. After 9-11, this country wanted blood--anyone's blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and his gang poin ted us in that direction, then said This is what they want. And all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid to buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make decisions based on more information and considered thought than I have. If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger picture in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is proof of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous foreign policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is and then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to get us to go in cert ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that leader will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time, he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people. A balancing act. But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing instead of the right thing? A -- Original message -- From: maidmarian_thepoet [EMAIL PROTECTED] I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a public official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that my officials here really supported my beliefs instead of catering to the religious right. Of course, you can say that they are supporting them---but that's my point. Wasn't he being a true representative of Mass. voters at that time? Now he is claiming that he could be a true representative of conservative voters. Isn't that his job? I am still recalling listening to a This American Life episode in which a guy who was pro-choice supported Bush because he didn't flip-flop on issues. He admitted that he didn't like any of Bush's stances on issuses, but he voted for him because he didn't flip-flop. Why on earth should I vote for someone who won't vote my way? He's my representative, not a representative of his own convictions. If he can change my mind because he believes me wrong, that's one thing. But he shouldn't be voting his convictions whilly-nilly. Ok, I will get off my soapbox now. :-) --- In
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Suggests Clinton Show Tax Returns
I find the article unclear as to what Sen. Obama actually suggested and who initiated the topic. It seems from the article that he did not bring up the subject of the Clinton's Tax returns. I think the headline is remarkably misleading as is the actual nature of the story. Asked whether he would call on the Clintons to release their tax returns, Obama stopped short of saying they should. It seems very plausible to me that he was asked a leading question to which he then gave an polite political answer. That answer seems to contradict the headline. Neither the headline nor the article are really clear as to what did happen. Bosco --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first heard about this loan, my mind went back to a story I heard, just before Hillary began her campaign for the NY Senate seat, that she and Bill were both fairly cash-poor. Given that, this act raised a huge red flag for me. But I don't think that Obama was terribly bright in saying that her finances needed to be looked at. IMO, this slides him off-point. He needs to stick with the issues (economy, War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), et cetera). Feels like dirt-digging to me. And that off-puts me no end. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NEW ORLEANS â Democrat Barack Obama suggested Thursday that Hillary Rodham Clinton follow his lead and release her and her husband's income tax returns so the public can see where the $5 million she loaned her presidential campaign came from. A day earlier, Clinton acknowledged that she had made the loan late last month. At the time, Obama was raising and spending more money than her heading into the round of presidential primaries and caucuses on Super Tuesday. Asked whether he would call on the Clintons to release their tax returns, Obama stopped short of saying they should. I'll just say that I've released my tax returns. That's been a policy I've maintained consistently. I think the American people deserve to know where you get your income from. But I'll leave it up to you guys to chase it down, he told reporters on the flight to Omaha, Neb., for a rally. I've disclosed my income tax returns, he said. I think we set the bar in terms of transparency and disclosure that has been a consistent theme of my campaign and my career in politics. There was no immediate comment from Clinton's campaign. Obama noted that Clinton is wealthier than he is. Asked whether he would rule out tapping his personal funds to pay for his presidential campaign, he said, I don't have enough money to drop $5 million into a campaign. Clinton's financial disclosures, which reveal only broad ranges of assets, place her and former President Clinton's wealth between $10 million to $50 million. Obama released tax documents last year showing income of more than $991,000 for him and his wife, Michelle. The figure included his Senate salary as well as her income as an administrator of the University of Chicago Hospitals. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/08/obama-suggests-clinton-sh_n_85645.html There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Obama Suggests Clinton Show Tax Returns
I knew the title was from the actual article. I did not think that you were attempting to mislead at all. Sorry for any confusion B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the story below they make it pretty clear that Obama did not ask, the press asked him if he thought she should and he said he did not know but that he did and that one of his campaign platforms is full transparency. He added that he did disclose his. I don't think it was unwise in that light. He did not initiate it.. All running for president are asked to voluntarily provide it when they first launch their campaign. Washington Post, NY times and other cited that they have 10-50 million or more. Second, Clinton did several dirty deals worth millions - for cash in the past three years from some unsavory players that might not please those of us against the war. she gets the most money from defense contractors of anybody in the congress, and that if anti-war voters knew she was profiting from so many who benefit from the war, they might not think that she is really against the war, which is the 2nd most important issue among democrats since the economy went under according to surveys. It has always been said, and there has been some proof that the Clinton's are real dirty. Tax records would likely prove it definitively. That is like why she is the only dem who refused to disclose. the title is misleading. my bad. That is how it was titled in the article. Martin wrote: When I first heard about this loan, my mind went back to a story I heard, just before Hillary began her campaign for the NY Senate seat, that she and Bill were both fairly cash-poor. Given that, this act raised a huge red flag for me. But I don't think that Obama was terribly bright in saying that her finances needed to be looked at. IMO, this slides him off-point. He needs to stick with the issues (economy, War on Terror (reg, TM, copy), et cetera). Feels like dirt-digging to me. And that off-puts me no end. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NEW ORLEANS ââ¬â Democrat Barack Obama suggested Thursday that Hillary Rodham Clinton follow his lead and release her and her husband's income tax returns so the public can see where the $5 million she loaned her presidential campaign came from. A day earlier, Clinton acknowledged that she had made the loan late last month. At the time, Obama was raising and spending more money than her heading into the round of presidential primaries and caucuses on Super Tuesday. Asked whether he would call on the Clintons to release their tax returns, Obama stopped short of saying they should. I'll just say that I've released my tax returns. That's been a policy I've maintained consistently. I think the American people deserve to know where you get your income from. But I'll leave it up to you guys to chase it down, he told reporters on the flight to Omaha, Neb., for a rally. I've disclosed my income tax returns, he said. I think we set the bar in terms of transparency and disclosure that has been a consistent theme of my campaign and my career in politics. There was no immediate comment from Clinton's campaign. Obama noted that Clinton is wealthier than he is. Asked whether he would rule out tapping his personal funds to pay for his presidential campaign, he said, I don't have enough money to drop $5 million into a campaign. Clinton's financial disclosures, which reveal only broad ranges of assets, place her and former President Clinton's wealth between $10 million to $50 million. Obama released tax documents last year showing income of more than $991,000 for him and his wife, Michelle. The figure included his Senate salary as well as her income as an administrator of the University of Chicago Hospitals. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/08/obama-suggests-clinton-sh_n_85645.html There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: African American Lives 2 on PBS
I don't know for certain but I don't think that Native Americans own African Slaves was a common thing. Though clearly, it happened. It should also be balanced by the history of the Buffalo Soldiers many of whom fought as hard as the whites in the post Civil War Indian Wars to subjugate and annihilate Native American tribes. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how many Natives owned slaves? I used to think they there was this--brotherhood--between Blacks and Natives, as we fought against a common enemy. So many of us have Native blood, after all. And there's so many stories of mixed blood people who became great explorers, lawmen, or soldiers. But i hear more about them enslaving us, and read bout things like the recent push for some tribes to deny people with African heritige membership in the tribe. Makes me wonder... What's the deal with Gates' website? -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Don Cheadle story was really interesting. I live in a county just outside of Charlotte that was Indian Land for a very very long time after slavery. I am now curious as to whether or not the tribes that lived here owned slaves. This series is great family viewing, and even though it's on in February, it's refreshing. I also think it could be a great way to drive traffic to Dr. Gates' new website, but I didn't see a mention of it during the show. On 2/6/08 10:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonight I watched âAfrican American Lives 2â°, the PBS special in which Henry âSkipâ° Gates does genealogical history for several stars. Gotta admit, I was a little doubtful about the show this time around. Not the concept, which is cool. I was thinking that watching the lives of the rich and famous would leave me a bit cold. Give this chance to more of us regular folk, I thought. The rich folk have enough money to get this done on their own. But I have to say it moved me. Putting aside their celebrity and just seeing them as Black people like meËwith hopes and dreams and sad and glorious stories in their pastsËI was really able to get into it. Skip Gates digs up some amazing history on the ancestry of these stars (and one âregularâ° person chosen for the show). The people are often moved to tears as they find out about ancestors who were state senators, donated land for schools to be built, were owned by Natives, fought in the Civil War, etc. The biggest shock of all is Tom Joyne r, who discovers that two of his uncles were electrocuted in South Carolina for a crime they didnât commit, along with three other Blacks--all in the same day. Great show, I highly recommend you check PBS schedule to see when it airs again. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/?campaign=pbshomefeatures_2_africanamericanliv es2_2008-02-06 http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/about.html ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICAN LIVES 2 Series Overview Building on the widespread acclaim of African American Lives (2006) and Oprah's Roots (2007), AFRICAN AMERICAN LIVES 2 again journeys deep into ancestry of an all-new group of remarkable individuals, offering an in-depth look at the African-American experience and race relations throughout U.S. history. Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. returns as series host, guiding genealogical investigations down through the 20th century, Reconstruction, slavery and early U.S. history, and presenting cutting-edge genetic analysis that locates participants' ancestors in Africa, Europe and America. Joining Professor Gates in the new broadcast are poet Maya Angelou, author Bliss Broyard, actor Don Cheadle, actor Morgan Freeman, theologian Peter Gomes, publisher Linda Johnson Rice, athlete Jackie Joyner-Kersee, radio personality Tom Joyner, comedian Chris Rock, music legend Tina Turner, and college administrator Kathleen Henderson, who was selected from more than 2,000 applicants to have her family history researched and DNA tested alongside the series' well-known guests. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: African American Lives 2 on PBS
I always it considered less about acceptance and more about survival. I am not intimately familiar with that history but it seems to me I recall learning that a lot of those folks were signing up to be able to eat and stay warm. B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was thinkig about the Buffalo Soldiers too.Amazing what we've done in order to be accepted -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know for certain but I don't think that Native Americans own African Slaves was a common thing. Though clearly, it happened. It should also be balanced by the history of the Buffalo Soldiers many of whom fought as hard as the whites in the post Civil War Indian Wars to subjugate and annihilate Native American tribes. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how many Natives owned slaves? I used to think they there was this--brotherhood--between Blacks and Natives, as we fought against a common enemy. So many of us have Native blood, after all. And there's so many stories of mixed blood people who became great explorers, lawmen, or soldiers. But i hear more about them enslaving us, and read bout things like the recent push for some tribes to deny people with African heritige membership in the tribe. Makes me wonder... What's the deal with Gates' website? -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Don Cheadle story was really interesting. I live in a county just outside of Charlotte that was Indian Land for a very very long time after slavery. I am now curious as to whether or not the tribes that lived here owned slaves. This series is great family viewing, and even though it's on in February, it's refreshing. I also think it could be a great way to drive traffic to Dr. Gates' new website, but I didn't see a mention of it during the show. On 2/6/08 10:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonight I watched âAfrican American Lives 2â°, the PBS special in which Henry âSkipâ° Gates does genealogical history for several stars. Gotta admit, I was a little doubtful about the show this time around. Not the concept, which is cool. I was thinking that watching the lives of the rich and famous would leave me a bit cold. Give this chance to more of us regular folk, I thought. The rich folk have enough money to get this done on their own. But I have to say it moved me. Putting aside their celebrity and just seeing them as Black people like meËwith hopes and dreams and sad and glorious stories in their pastsËI was really able to get into it. Skip Gates digs up some amazing history on the ancestry of these stars (and one âregularâ° person chosen for the show). The people are often moved to tears as they find out about ancestors who were state senators, donated land for schools to be built, were owned by Natives, fought in the Civil War, etc. The biggest shock of all is Tom Joyne r, who discovers that two of his uncles were electrocuted in South Carolina for a crime they didnât commit, along with three other Blacks--all in the same day. Great show, I highly recommend you check PBS schedule to see when it airs again. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/?campaign=pbshomefeatures_2_africanamericanliv es2_2008-02-06 http://www..pbs.org/wnet/aalives/about.html ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICAN LIVES 2 Series Overview Building on the widespread acclaim of African American Lives (2006) and Oprah's Roots (2007), AFRICAN AMERICAN LIVES 2 again journeys deep into ancestry of an all-new group of remarkable individuals, offering an in-depth look at the African-American experience and race relations throughout U.S. history. Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. returns as series host, guiding genealogical investigations down through the 20th century, Reconstruction, slavery and early U.S. history, and presenting cutting-edge genetic analysis that locates participants' ancestors in Africa, Europe and America. Joining Professor Gates in the new broadcast are poet Maya Angelou, author Bliss Broyard, actor Don Cheadle, actor Morgan Freeman, theologian Peter Gomes, publisher Linda Johnson Rice, athlete Jackie Joyner-Kersee, radio personality Tom Joyner, comedian Chris Rock, music legend Tina Turner, and college administrator Kathleen Henderson, who was selected from more than 2,000 applicants to have her family history researched and DNA tested alongside the series' well-known guests. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Romney Rumoured to Be Suspending Campaign
What fascinates me about the relative lack of support party wide for Romney Huckabee is what it says about the mainstream of the Republican Party. Apparently, mainstream republicans are tired of conservative stranglehold as well. I find it most fascinating that almost universally, the Conservative Pundits have gone to war against McCain and he's basically been completely unaffected by it. I mean if you watch the guy talk, he's neither compelling nor striking. He lacks the presentation of Obama and the confidence of Clinton. he's kind of dorky. He paces like he's nervous. he delivery is both akward and shaky. He's simply not the calm cool confidence of his opponents and he's cleaning up in spite of the overwhelming machinations of the conservative core of his party against him. It's really telling Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be darned! this is the most interesting election year I can remember since, well, the last couple of election years! Good riddance, I say: spend some time looking at how he *used* to feel on issues, and how he feels now, and you talk bout an opportunistic flip-flopper! I'm also amazed at how Limbaugh and the others of his ilk have so embraced this Mormon ( who in other times they'd be attacking as not a real Christian, no doubt), just because they hate the liberal McCain! More interesting is the reaction of many of my co-workers, who are perfect barometers for the ultra-conservative, braindead segment of society. They're all but in morning. Oh, it might be a riot up in here if Obama or Hillary wins come Election Day! ** CNN) -- Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney will suspend his bid for the Republican presidential nomination, GOP sources tell CNN. Romney had won 270 delegates in through the Super Tuesday contests, compared with front-runner John McCain's 680. Romney had no public events Wednesday and instead met with aides to discuss strategy to stay in the race through March 4. It is tough to saddle up this a.m., one Romney adviser told CNN the morning after his disappointing Super Tuesday finish. Although he outspent his rivals, Romney received just 175 delegates on Super Tuesday, compared with at least 504 for McCain and 141 for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, according to CNN estimates. Romney came in first in Massachusetts, Alaska, Minnesota, Colorado and Utah on Super Tuesday. In the early voting contests, he won Nevada, Maine, Michigan and Wyoming. After his win in the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee became Romney's chief rival for the party's conservative vote. Huckabee on Tuesday won Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama and West Virginia. Primaries are a killing field, said CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider. They take losing candidates and get their bodies off the field. Suspending a campaign has a different meaning depending on the party. On the Republican side, decisions on how to allocate delegates is left to the state parties. On the Democratic side, a candidate who suspends is technically still a candidate, so he or she keeps both district and statewide delegates won through primaries and caucuses. Superdelegates are always free to support any candidate at any time, whether the candidate drops out, suspends or stays in. National party rules say that a candidate who drops out keeps any district-level delegates he or she has won so far but loses any statewide delegates he or she has won. Romney is expected to announce his decision Thursday afternoon at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, three Republican sources told CNN. The 60-year-old former investment banker had touted his management credentials throughout the campaign, citing his experience in Massachusetts and his turnaround of the scandal-plagued 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. But despite pouring millions of his own fortune into the campaign, he struggled after Huckabee upset him in the Iowa caucuses and McCain came from behind to beat him in the New Hampshire primary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] A Short Course On Brain Surgery Worth Watching
It's completely and utterly ridiculous. I feel your pain. I have untreated injury that continues to degrade slowly and no one will even look at it. It's not life threatening so there's no legal obligation for anyone to offer me any treatment. I know you are watching closely but Der Bushenstein is looking to put the screws to Medicaid and Medicare before leaving in office. Serious cuts are projected. Let hope Congress puts the kabosh on that crap. B --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, I know where you are all too well. Right now, here in Atlanta, there's only Grady Memorial for us, and the high and mighty folk who don't need to use the place are doing everything in their power to make it nigh-inaccessible for those of us who do need it. I'm on Medicare now and, legally, any hospital is required to take me for treatment. In actuality, however... Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the film is typical of the right wing propagandist position of attempting to scare people into agreeing with a point of view. It made me think of that awful bear in the woods ad reagan ran in the 80's and the Willie Horton ad that the Bush folks put out to hammer Dukakis. It's easy to see why someone would pull the propoganda label. One could easily point to numerous instances of the same kind of lack of care and mismanagement in the Private Healthcare Industry here in the US. I would bet better than even money that there are many many more cases of that kind of treatment problem here in the US. I personally know of a few amongst friends and acquaintances here in Texas. I have a friend who works at the American Cancer Society. His old job was counseling people on their treatment options and helping them find options for care. I know that he has spent a great many nights fretting because he has had to advise people that they should get their affairs in order as their options are exhausted. Many of those folks were either under insured or uninsured. These are regular occurrences here in the good old United States. While it's frightening that so many uninsured people suffer this fate, it's even more frightening that it happens to people with insurance. If I think about it for more than a few minutes, I become infuriated. Then I think about all the folks that have the power to change the system who do nothing and receive the best health care in the world on our dime. Then the real anger sets in. I live in terror at the idea that I might get really sick. There are almost no low income healthcare facilities in Austin for the uninsured. Bosco --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did so, before I had to run out all day, never getting a chance to watch it. I'm just getting into this account to check for responses, and two have been strongly negative. One, from a dear friend of mine who's lived in England, says that this never would've happened there, and would've been isolated at best in Canada. A second accused me of dealing Republican propaganda. Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Short Course On Brain Surgery Worth Watching... A short but poignant independent film on government sponsored healthcare systems. Everyone who plans to vote for our new President in 2008 NEEDS to see this. Regardless of the person for whom they would vote. Please forward this to everyone you can think of as soon as you can. http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php http://gumball.winwithdell.com/index.php?Plink=L1190431912792641463 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed
Re: [scifinoir2] Lost Did you watch?
I have not seen it yet. I am waiting for the first episode to appear online at ABC.com I love this show and I am dying to know what up. B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a Lost fan. Actually I hate the show. I watched the first episode of the new season and it was okay. What did you think? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Lost Did you watch?
I don't get any channels on any tv in my house and I have not had cable installed. I am feeling hesitant to do so. I have not had broadcast television of any kind for a decade Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/31/2008 10:40:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not seen it yet. I am waiting for the first episode to appear online at ABC.com Why online? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] Lost Did you watch?
Watch it online at ABC.com You will be 100% stoked as the kids at my skate shop say Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i missed all of last season. Got sick to death of ballyhooed blocks of new shows that included about half a dozen, interspersed with out of sequence reruns. And then I don't get ABC, just don't get it: If Lost was such a big deal, why the hell didn't they rebroadcast all of last season in the last few weeks? I planned to catch up on it then but all they reran was the two-hour season finale. WTF??? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have not seen it yet. I am waiting for the first episode to appear online at ABC.com I love this show and I am dying to know what up. B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a Lost fan. Actually I hate the show. I watched the first episode of the new season and it was okay. What did you think? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Lost Did you watch?
I don't watch sports. My tuners are broken on my TV's so I can't even get old fashion broadcast TV B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/31/2008 11:23:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't get any channels on any TV in my house and I have not had cable installed. I am feeling hesitant to do so. I have not had broadcast television of any kind for a decade When the satellite goes out I watch TV with a regular old fashioned antenna. What do you do for sports? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Soliciting Movie Recommendations
I never see anything generally until the DVD stage these days. Sorry I couldn't help B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What, no help? No one seeing movies, or you all getting them on bootleg? :) By the way, Michael Clayton is very good. It is, however, and actor's movie. There's next to no action interms of fights, explosions, and whatnot. Of course the trailers play that up, but it's not the case. In tone and pacing, it reminded me of Paul Newman's The Verdict, another great movie. Clooney was really good. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Johnson) Tomorrow I'm going to see Michael Clayton, the George Clooney legal thriller that's gotten good reviews. Next weekend I'm going to see the animated film Persepolis, Atonement, and possibly a film called War Dance, about Ugandan children who are victims of war who enter a dance contest to help bring some cheer to their lives. But there's a lot of other films out there I haven't yet gotten to see. So many, in fact, that I need to make some choices, so I catch good ones before they leave the theatre, and don't spend time on ones not so good. So i'd like to get opinions on any of the films below you may have seen. Are they worth paying to see at the theatre? The Great Debaters - I always try to support Black films. How is it? Honeydripper- I always try to see a John Sayles film, but this one was here and gone so quickly Cloverfield - There have been many opinions on this one, but I fear that shaky camera would be too much... No Country for Old Men - Getting rave reviews... Charlie Wilson's War There Will Be Blood - Daniel Day-Lewis disappears into another role First Sunday - Just kidding; I have no desire to drop my ducats on that slapstick-looking crap! Am I wrong? Mad Money - Ditto, I think? The Bucket List - Never been a fan of comedies dealing with death. Any good? The Orphanage The Golden Compass National Treasure 2 - hated the first one, so doubt i'd even consider this seriously Kite Runner The Diving Bell and the Butterfly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Edwards Dropping out]
I'm a proponent of the some the following ideas to change government. End Corporate and business campaign contributions of all kinds. Make them illegal. Limit personal campaign contributions to a very small amount. End all gift giving or corporate sponsored trips for politicians. Curtail campaign advertising and limit the spending. Garauntee equal TV access for all candidates. Make elected positions of leadership on the same payscale as other civil service jobs like postal workers. End the fat retirement programs and bring them in line with all other government workers. Make retirement benefits equal to time on the job. two term senators should not be getting better retirement benefits than a postal employee who served 25 years or a career Armed Forces officer. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama's catch phrase is Change, and the saying cropping up around him now is Yes we can! Guess my mantra from here on will be Multi-party system! Nationwide primary! :( -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message Subject: Edwards Dropping out Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:36:20 -0500 From: CINQUE Reply-To: John Edwards to quit presidential race By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago Democrat John Edwards is exiting the presidential race Wednesday, ending a scrappy underdog bid in which he steered his rivals toward progressive ideals while grappling with family hardship that roused voters' sympathies, The Associated Press has learned. The two-time White House candidate notified a close circle of senior advisers that he planned to make the announcement at a 1 p.m. EST event in New Orleans that had been billed as a speech on poverty, according to two aides. The decision came after Edwards lost the four states to hold nominating contests so far to rivals who stole the spotlight from the beginning Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama. The former North Carolina senator will not immediately endorse either candidate in what is now a two-person race for the Democratic nomination, said one adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity in advance of the announcement. Edwards waged a spirited top-tier campaign against the two better-funded rivals, even as he dealt with the stunning blow of his wife's recurring cancer diagnosis. In a dramatic news conference last March, the couple announced that the breast cancer that she thought she had beaten had returned, but they would continue the campaign. Their decision sparked a debate about family duty and public service. But Elizabeth Edwards remained a forceful advocate for her husband, and she was often surrounded at campaign events by well-wishers and emotional survivors cheering her on. Edwards planned to announce his campaign was ending with his wife and three children at his side. Then he planned to work with Habitat for Humanity at the volunteer-fueled rebuilding project Musicians' Village, the adviser said. With that, Edwards' campaign will end the way it began 13 months ago with the candidate pitching in to rebuild lives in a city still ravaged by Hurricane Katrina. Edwards embraced New Orleans as a glaring symbol of what he described as a Washington that didn't hear the cries of the downtrodden. Edwards burst out of the starting gate with a flurry of progressive policy ideas he was the first to offer a plan for universal health care, the first to call on Congress to pull funding for the war, and he led the charge that lobbyists have too much power in Washington and need to be reigned in. The ideas were all bold and new for Edwards personally as well, making him a different candidate than the moderate Southerner who ran in 2004 while still in his first Senate term. But the themes were eventually adopted by other Democratic presidential candidates and even a Republican, Mitt Romney, echoed the call for an end to special interest politics in Washington. Edwards' rise to prominence in politics came amid just one term representing North Carolina in the Senate after a career as a trial attorney that made him millions. He was on Al Gore's short list for vice president in 2000 after serving just two years in office. He ran for president in 2004, and after he lost to John Kerry, the nominee picked him as a running mate. Elizabeth Edwards first discovered a lump in her breast in the final days of that losing campaign. Her battle against the disease caused her husband to open up about another tragedy in their lives the death of their teenage son Wade in a 1996 car accident. The candidate barely spoke of Wade during his 2004 campaign, but he offered his son's death to answer
Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Edwards Dropping out]
First question/point: I am aware that most career polticians would be opposed to this. It's not an issue of liberal or conservative support. It's an issue of being a good idea. I am neither liberal nor conservative and I am neither republican nor democrat Second Question/Point: The cnadidates would pay for their own ad production and media outlets would be required to run them free of charge as part of their liscensure agreements through the FCC. Third Question/Point: I am unaware of any point of socialism or communism that keeps Party Officers and Officials in the same pay and status brackets as civil servants and members of the armed forces. The idea is less that they have different job functions and more that they are in public service and should be afforded the same considerations and benefits. The current system insures that the country is ruled by a money and influence powered elite. Ending unnecessary and improper perks for career politicians would level the playing field. Then perhaps the lie we've all been told that in America anyone can be anything they want might be closer to true. If you call that communism, that's your perogative but I think of it more as eliminating an unfair advantage of the privileged class. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/30/2008 2:39:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm a proponent of the some the following ideas to change government. End Corporate and business campaign contributions of all kinds. Make them illegal. Limit personal campaign contributions to a very small amount. The liberal democrats could never do that? End all gift giving or corporate sponsored trips for politicians. Curtail campaign advertising and limit the spending. Garauntee equal TV access for all candidates. Who is going to pay for it. Taxpayers? Make elected positions of leadership on the same payscale as other civil service jobs like postal workers. End the fat retirement programs and bring them in line with all other government workers. Make retirement benefits equal to time on the job. two term senators should not be getting better retirement benefits than a postal employee who served 25 years or a career Armed Forces officer. They dont make laws. This is sociallism/communism. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: Edwards Dropping out]
I don't want to get rid of retirement benefits, I just don't think
they should be some exponential amount over your annual salary when
you were actually showing up to work.
Lloyd Dogget is my Congressman. He's done a good job. He's got good
ideas and he tries to support the right things, like health care for
kids and campaign finance reform. He opposes the stupid stuff like
making the state a toxic waste dump and the war for example. I'd like
to see old Lloyd retire on a good salary and live out his retirement
days comfortably and well rewarded for his service to the people of
Texas. I don't have a prob with retirement so much as they tend to
over do it for themselves.
Bosco
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
some good ideas, but most will never pass. Get rid of retirement
benefits? They'll revolt
-- Original message --
From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm a proponent of the some the following ideas to change
government.
End Corporate and business campaign contributions of all kinds.
Make
them illegal. Limit personal campaign contributions to a very small
amount. End all gift giving or corporate sponsored trips for
politicians. Curtail campaign advertising and limit the spending.
Garauntee equal TV access for all candidates.
Make elected positions of leadership on the same payscale as other
civil service jobs like postal workers. End the fat retirement
programs and bring them in line with all other government workers.
Make retirement benefits equal to time on the job. two term
senators
should not be getting better retirement benefits than a postal
employee who served 25 years or a career Armed Forces officer.
Bosco
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obama's catch phrase is Change, and the saying cropping up
around
him now is Yes we can!
Guess my mantra from here on will be Multi-party system!
Nationwide primary! :(
-- Original message --
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original Message
Subject: Edwards Dropping out
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:36:20 -0500
From: CINQUE
Reply-To:
John Edwards to quit presidential race
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago
Democrat John Edwards is exiting the presidential race
Wednesday,
ending
a scrappy underdog bid in which he steered his rivals toward
progressive
ideals while grappling with family hardship that roused voters'
sympathies, The Associated Press has learned.
The two-time White House candidate notified a close circle of
senior
advisers that he planned to make the announcement at a 1 p.m.
EST
event
in New Orleans that had been billed as a speech on poverty,
according to
two aides. The decision came after Edwards lost the four states
to hold
nominating contests so far to rivals who stole the spotlight
from
the
beginning Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.
The former North Carolina senator will not immediately endorse
either
candidate in what is now a two-person race for the Democratic
nomination, said one adviser, who spoke on condition of
anonymity
in
advance of the announcement.
Edwards waged a spirited top-tier campaign against the two
better-funded
rivals, even as he dealt with the stunning blow of his wife's
recurring
cancer diagnosis. In a dramatic news conference last March, the
couple
announced that the breast cancer that she thought she had
beaten
had
returned, but they would continue the campaign.
Their decision sparked a debate about family duty and public
service.
But Elizabeth Edwards remained a forceful advocate for her
husband, and
she was often surrounded at campaign events by well-wishers and
emotional survivors cheering her on.
Edwards planned to announce his campaign was ending with his
wife
and
three children at his side. Then he planned to work with
Habitat
for
Humanity at the volunteer-fueled rebuilding project Musicians'
Village,
the adviser said.
With that, Edwards' campaign will end the way it began 13
months
ago
with the candidate pitching in to rebuild lives in a city still
ravaged
by Hurricane Katrina. Edwards embraced New Orleans as a glaring
symbol
of what he described as a Washington that didn't hear the cries
of the
downtrodden.
Edwards burst out of the starting gate with a flurry of
progressive
policy ideas he was the first to offer a plan for universal
health
care, the first to call on Congress to pull funding for the
war,
and he
led the charge that lobbyists have too much power in Washington
and need
to be reigned in.
The ideas were all bold and new for Edwards personally as well,
making
him a different candidate than the moderate Southerner who ran
in
2004
Re: [scifinoir2] A Short Course On Brain Surgery Worth Watching
the film is typical of the right wing propagandist position of attempting to scare people into agreeing with a point of view. It made me think of that awful bear in the woods ad reagan ran in the 80's and the Willie Horton ad that the Bush folks put out to hammer Dukakis. It's easy to see why someone would pull the propoganda label. One could easily point to numerous instances of the same kind of lack of care and mismanagement in the Private Healthcare Industry here in the US. I would bet better than even money that there are many many more cases of that kind of treatment problem here in the US. I personally know of a few amongst friends and acquaintances here in Texas. I have a friend who works at the American Cancer Society. His old job was counseling people on their treatment options and helping them find options for care. I know that he has spent a great many nights fretting because he has had to advise people that they should get their affairs in order as their options are exhausted. Many of those folks were either under insured or uninsured. These are regular occurrences here in the good old United States. While it's frightening that so many uninsured people suffer this fate, it's even more frightening that it happens to people with insurance. If I think about it for more than a few minutes, I become infuriated. Then I think about all the folks that have the power to change the system who do nothing and receive the best health care in the world on our dime. Then the real anger sets in. I live in terror at the idea that I might get really sick. There are almost no low income healthcare facilities in Austin for the uninsured. Bosco --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did so, before I had to run out all day, never getting a chance to watch it. I'm just getting into this account to check for responses, and two have been strongly negative. One, from a dear friend of mine who's lived in England, says that this never would've happened there, and would've been isolated at best in Canada. A second accused me of dealing Republican propaganda. Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Short Course On Brain Surgery Worth Watching... A short but poignant independent film on government sponsored healthcare systems. Everyone who plans to vote for our new President in 2008 NEEDS to see this. Regardless of the person for whom they would vote. Please forward this to everyone you can think of as soon as you can. http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php http://gumball.winwithdell.com/index.php?Plink=L1190431912792641463 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] A Short Course On Brain Surgery Worth Watching
There are a lot of flaws with any kind of healthcare system. That said, one of the main ones with the current US System is that millions upon millions of people, myself included, have no access. I have been injured three times since I lost my insurance. Only one was I able to get any kind of medical attention at all. I was actually turned away at a city hospital. So while there may be issues with universal care those issues certainly doesn't eliminate the issues associated with for profit private insurance only healthcare either. In the film, a flaw with the Single Payer system caused a man to nearly succumb to a brain tumor. In my current situation, were I daignosed with the same problem, I would most certainly succumb to the same illness. More likely, it wouldn't even be diagnosed as I won't be getting any kind of check up or preventive care for the forseeable future. Whatever the issues are with Single Payer or Universal Coverage, something about it must be right as every first world nation in the world, has it except one, Us. There is a healthcare solution for the US. It needs be found. Bosco --- Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Short Course On Brain Surgery Worth Watching... A short but poignant independent film on government sponsored healthcare systems. Everyone who plans to vote for our new President in 2008 NEEDS to see this. Regardless of the person for whom they would vote. Please forward this to everyone you can think of as soon as you can. http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php http://gumball.winwithdell.com/index.php?Plink=L1190431912792641463 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] 'Dead Like Me' Could Return As Series
if this happens, it's proof of the existence of a benevolent and loving diety. I can't wait for the movie but I am sure gonna miss Rube. B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Dead Like Me' Could Return As Series By MICHAEL HINMAN Source: SyFy Portal Jan-24-2008 http://justpushplayonline.com/ After almost a year of delay, Dead Like Me returns with a new adventure of George Lass and her gang of grim reapers this summer. The movie alone has been something Dead Like Me fans have asked for over the last two years since Showtime cancelled the series, but there's something more that could be on the horizon: a resurrection of the series itself. Ellen Muth, who plays George, is expected to talk with the online radio show Just Push Play Friday about the telemovie, which shot last year without star Mandy Pantinkin. In the interview, Muth reportedly announces that if viewership for the new telemovie is strong, there's a chance the series could be returning to television in one form or another as a revived series. The latest project stars Henry Ian Cusick of Lost fame as the manager of the grim reapers, playing a character named Cameron Kane. Pantinkin, who played Rube Sofer in the original series, was unable to reprise his role in the telemovie, but sources are now saying that if the series does come back to television, Pantinkin will be back in his previous role as George's father figure of the afterlife. It is unclear how involved creator Bryan Fuller is with the revival, moving on since the show's cancellation to work on Heroes on NBC, and later creating what is more or less an unofficial Dead Like Me spinoff, Pushing Daisies on ABC. The telemovie was written by Stephen Godchaux and John Masius, and directed by Stephen Herek. Both Godchaux and Masius were executive producers on the old series, combining to write seven episodes during the show's limited run. Herek directed Life or Something Like It in 2002 as well as Mr. Holland's Opus in 1995. Just Push Play can be heard Fridays at 8 p.m. ET Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] Study: False statements preceded war
It felt very Orwellian B --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's outright scary. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had people threaten to hurt me because I was opposed to the war. I had people in my face screaming at me. Some of them were my friends. It was truly a sad time for our country. Bosco --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, I was asking that of a lot of neocon warhawks, and none of them would answer, except to brand me as a pinko neo-commie. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the following in my Yahoo headlines. I haven't taken the time to read the study or check out the links. While I know that nothing will likely come of this, in a way I feel gratified that the truth is finally coming out and being documented. Honestly, I am more than a little amazed the story was run at all. When the war was breaking out, I asked every body I knew who supported the war the following question: (I live in Texas so there were literally only three or four of us who thought the war was a bad move.) How does the most embargoed nation in the history of the world develop a program for weapons of mass destruction with essentially every available eye in the world focused on it 24-7 for ten years? The logical and reasonable answer is, they don't because it isn't possible. I spent a lot of time wondering why no one in the press ever even thought to ask this obvious question. Then the war broke out and it really didnt matter. Now I am wondering, more rhetorically, why the phrase war criminals is not used more often with regards to the cabal of terrorists we call the Bush Cabinet? By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks. The study concluded that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses. The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat. The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world, Stanzel said. The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both. It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida, according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan. Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida. The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews. The cumulative effect of these false statements � amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts � was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war, the study concluded. Some journalists � indeed, even some entire news organizations � have since
Re: [scifinoir2] Looking Forward to Movie Jumper
Keith you paid back the next three films your wife lacks interest in. I saw the trailer for Jumper I think when I saw the Sweeney Todd Disappointment Hour. I thought it sounded cool as well. Samuel Jackson as a badass is always fun fun fun B --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw 27 Dresses last weekend (that's right, I said it! Payback to the wife for seeing Am I Legend the week before). The movie was about as good as you'd expect, the trailers were about as good as you'd expect: trailers for a romantic comedy aren't exactly scintillating. Let's just say I didn't get to see the Star Trek teaser. :( But I did see an intriguing one for a movie called Jumper, something I'd never even heard of before. The movie deals with a character named David Griffin(Star Wars' Hayden Christensen) who has the ability to teleport himself anywhere in the world instantly--like Blink in Marvel Comics. This makes David a Jumper. Cool as this power is, there's a catch: Jumpers have existed for centuries, and for all of that time have been at war with powers that want to destroy them as threats to humanity. One such force is the Paladin Organization, whose agents hunt and kill Jumpers. So deadly effective is the Paladin Organization, very few Jumpers live to see age 20. David's parents were killed by Paladin when he was 9, but he has beaten the odds, outwitting Paladin until well into his 20s. David is being hunted by the fanatical Agent Roland (Samuel Jackson, in black leather, carrying a katana sword, and sporting blonde hair like Sisqo from Dru Hill). Don't know much about the movie past that, but it seemed to be pretty action-packed. The jumps David made were cool, and Jackson's look is comic-book cool. I really enjoyed looking at the trailer online. Also encouraging, it was co-written by David Goyer (Batman Begins, Blade, Dark City) and directed by Doug Liman (The Bourne Identity). Maybe this will be just the fun action film we've been looking for recently! Better yet, it premieres on Valentine's Day, so we can try to present it as a date movie! :) Check out the trailer at this site: http://www.jumperthemovie.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] 'Sleep Dealer' Injects Sci-Fi Into Immigration Debate
Um when where? Now? Now? This sounds freakin amazing. Bosco --- brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/news/2008/01/sleep_dealer 'Sleep Dealer' Injects Sci-Fi Into Immigration Debate By Jason Silverman 01.24.08 PARK CITY, Utah - Tech will not set you free. At least that's the message of Sleep Dealer director Alex Rivera's impressive, eye-opening debut. Set in a futuristic world of have-nots, where 21st-century gadgetry sucks resources from the world's poor and channels them to its wealthy, the film premiered to enthusiastic response Friday at the Sundance Film Festival. In Rivera's film, Mexican villagers are forced to buy water for their crops from an armed, English-speaking robot. Most of the village's healthy men have bolted for Tijuana to look for work in cyberfactories. And the multinational imprint is seen almost everywhere. It's a timely message, deftly delivered by a self-described digital media worker and immigrant's son who has become a fixture on the experimental video scene. We are being sold a false bill of goods, that the more connected we become the more equal we will be, Rivera said during an interview from Sundance's headquarters in Park City. Statistically speaking, that's not what's happening. The more connected we become, the more we are divided. Sleep Dealer is remarkably topical for a film set in the future (albeit one described by Rivera as taking place five minutes from now). Central themes include outsourcing, corporate ownership of water, remote warfare, confessional internet diaries and military contractors who are accountable to no one. It's the rare political film without any reference to contemporary politics; like Blade Runner and other big-brained sci-fi flicks, it's about ideas, not selling merchandise. I love gnomes and goblins and elves, said Rivera, who's made a name for himself touring museums and festivals with his award-winning shorts. But what I'm really interested in is speculative fiction. I wanted to use this film to ask the question, 'Where are we going?' Sleep Dealer tells the story of a young campensino named Memo whose DIY radio draws unwanted attention from a U.S. military contractor. Fleeing to Tijuana, Memo has implants placed in his body in order to become a node worker - a Mexican laborer who, from south of the border, taps into a vast network that operates robots located in the United States. Memo's robot welds girders on a skyscraper. Other node workers perform housework, watch the kids and keep the yard neat. The film's title refers to the node workers' exhaustion as they work 12-hour shifts to build, clean and maintain cities they'll never visit. In Tijuana, Memo becomes entwined with a Latino military contractor, who operates drones around the world from his base in San Diego, and an aspiring journalist who sells her memories - the blogs of the future - online. Rivera said the inspiration for the film came from a Wired magazine article about the emerging global village. It was published around the same time that the U.S. government began building walls along the country's border with Mexico. That ironic juxtaposition started Rivera thinking: What if technology could extract the life force from the Mexican population and send it north? The problem is that the worker comes with a body, Rivera said. That body needs health care, and gives birth to children that need to go to school. So keep the body outside of the United States. Suck its energy and leave the cadaver or the problematic shell out of the picture. He began writing Sleep Dealer in the late 1990s, collaborating on the script with former Sundance award-winner David Riker. As the years passed, real life began making gains on Rivera's dystopian vision. Films like Star Wars use terms like empire and rebellion, but they are bandied about in bland ways - powerful words used to describe nothing, Rivera said. One of the original propositions of my film is that we (create that sense) of a world divided between wealth and power. Despite being shot on what Hollywood producers would consider an impossibly miniscule budget (the Los Angeles Times pegged the film's price tag at a mere $2 million), Sleep Dealer looks like a real sci-fi movie. It includes 450 effects shots, and was filmed on evocative locations throughout Mexico. Its weighty subject matter is leavened by Rivera's trickster-like sense of humor. At a party, elders in village garb dance to old-fashioned techno music. A booth at a seedy bar advertises Live Node Girls. And back-alley node jobs are provided by coyoteks, a pun on the coyotes who smuggle today's undocumented workers into the United States. Sleep Dealer serves up a radical vision of a troubling tomorrow, injecting viewers into a high-tech, developing-world future. Science
Re: [scifinoir2] Study: False statements preceded war
I saw the Moyer's special and thought it was good. What bothered me was that question was glaringly obvious and yet it was a pink elephant up to the outbreak of war. Then it ceased to matter as stupidity became reality. That said, as I think back on the events of 9-11 and the call to war afterwards, I don't think there's ever been a scarier time to be a voice of dissent in the US in my lifetime. So perhaps there's no wonder why people didn't ask the obvious. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've mentioned this one before, but listen to Bill Moyers' Buying the War, a PBS special he did last year. It's available as a downloading podcast at his website. That one program alone would give pause to anyone with a light on upstairs... -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found the following in my Yahoo headlines. I haven't taken the time to read the study or check out the links. While I know that nothing will likely come of this, in a way I feel gratified that the truth is finally coming out and being documented. Honestly, I am more than a little amazed the story was run at all. When the war was breaking out, I asked every body I knew who supported the war the following question: (I live in Texas so there were literally only three or four of us who thought the war was a bad move.) How does the most embargoed nation in the history of the world develop a program for weapons of mass destruction with essentially every available eye in the world focused on it 24-7 for ten years? The logical and reasonable answer is, they don't because it isn't possible. I spent a lot of time wondering why no one in the press ever even thought to ask this obvious question. Then the war broke out and it really didnt matter. Now I am wondering, more rhetorically, why the phrase war criminals is not used more often with regards to the cabal of terrorists we call the Bush Cabinet? By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks. The study concluded that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses. The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat. The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world, Stanzel said. The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both. It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida, according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan. Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida. The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews. The cumulative effect of these false statements amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war, the study concluded. Some journalists indeed, even some entire news organizations have
Re: [scifinoir2] Study: False statements preceded war
I had people threaten to hurt me because I was opposed to the war. I had people in my face screaming at me. Some of them were my friends. It was truly a sad time for our country. Bosco --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bosco, I was asking that of a lot of neocon warhawks, and none of them would answer, except to brand me as a pinko neo-commie. Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the following in my Yahoo headlines. I haven't taken the time to read the study or check out the links. While I know that nothing will likely come of this, in a way I feel gratified that the truth is finally coming out and being documented. Honestly, I am more than a little amazed the story was run at all. When the war was breaking out, I asked every body I knew who supported the war the following question: (I live in Texas so there were literally only three or four of us who thought the war was a bad move.) How does the most embargoed nation in the history of the world develop a program for weapons of mass destruction with essentially every available eye in the world focused on it 24-7 for ten years? The logical and reasonable answer is, they don't because it isn't possible. I spent a lot of time wondering why no one in the press ever even thought to ask this obvious question. Then the war broke out and it really didnt matter. Now I am wondering, more rhetorically, why the phrase war criminals is not used more often with regards to the cabal of terrorists we call the Bush Cabinet? By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks. The study concluded that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses. The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat. The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world, Stanzel said. The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both. It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida, according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan. Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida. The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews. The cumulative effect of these false statements � amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts � was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war, the study concluded. Some journalists � indeed, even some entire news organizations � have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq, it said. ___ On the Net: Center For Public Integrity: http://www.publicintegrity.org/default.aspx Fund For Independence
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Clinton Will WIn By Losing South Carolina
I think that whomever gets the Dem Nomination will pull the support of the other's base come election day simply because the people that are willing to vote for Clinton and Obama just aren't down with the guys running on the Repub side. I'm down for Obama and I am down for Clinton because I don't think they're really drastically different all the rhetoric aside. I'm throwing a vote to Obama for the Texas Primary but I'll vote for Clinton if she gets the nod. I can deal with Hillary a lot better than I can deal with Romney,Huckabee,or McCain. People used to ask me to speculate about Presidential elections because I am politically minded. I try not to predict because I am not good at it but I would always say, I don't know who's gonna win but I do know this for sure, after the election a rich white man is gonna be running this country. I can't say that this year and I gotta tell you if nothing else the possibility of that change makes me more driven to vote and participate than I have been in years. Bosco --- B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She may win the nomination but I have a feeling Obama's coalition won't support her in a general election. The Clintons' tactics have left a bad taste in lot of black folks mouths and the younger voters and independents will stay away. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How Clinton Will WIn The Nomination By Losing South Carolina How Clinton Will WIn The Nomination By Losing South Carolina By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann Wednesday, January 23, 2008 Hillary Clinton will undoubtedly lose the South Carolina primary as African-Americans line up to vote for Barack Obama. And that defeat will power her drive to the nomination. The Clintons are encouraging the national media to disregard the whites who vote in South Carolinaâs Democratic primary and focus on the black turnout, which is expected to be quite large. They have transformed South Carolina into Washington, D.C. � an all-black primary that tells us how the African-American vote is going to go. By saying he will go door to door in black neighborhoods in South Carolina matching his civil rights record against Obamaâs, Bill Clinton emphasizes the pivotal role the black vo te will play in the contest. And by openly matching his record on race with that of the black candidate, he invites more and more scrutiny focused on the race issue. Of course, Clinton is going to lose that battle. Blacks in Nevada overwhelmingly backed Obama and will obviously do so again in South Carolina, no matter how loudly former President Clinton protests. So why is he making such a fuss over a contest he knows heâs going to lose? Precisely because he is going to lose it. If Hillary loses South Carolina and the defeat serves to demonstrate Obamaâs ability to attract a bloc vote among black Democrats, the message will go out loud and clear to white voters that this is a racial fight. Itâs one thing for polls to show, as they now do, that Obama beats Hillary among African-Americans by better than 4-to-1 and Hillary carries whites by almost 2-to-1. But most people donât read the fine print on the polls. But if blacks deliver South Carolina to Obama, everybody will know that they are bloc-voting. That will trigger a massive whi te backlash against Obama and will drive white voters to Hillary Clinton. Obama has done everything he possibly could to keep race out of this election. And the Clintons attracted national scorn when they tried to bring it back in by attempting to minimize the role Martin Luther King Jr. played in the civil rights movement. But here they have a way of appearing to seek the black vote, losing it, and getting their white backlash, all without any fingerprints showing. The more President Clinton begs black voters to back his wife, and the more they spurn her, the more the election becomes about race � and Obama ultimately loses. Because they have such plans for South Carolina, the Clintons were desperate to win in Nevada. They dared not lose two primaries in a row leading up to Florida. But now they can lose South Carolina with impunity, having won in Nevada. But donât look for them to walk away from South Carolina. Their love needs to appear to have been unrequited by the black community for their rejection to seem so unfair that it triggers a white backlash. In this kind of ricochet politics, you have to lose openly and publicly in order to win the next round. And since the next round consists of all the important and big states, polarizing the contest into whites versus blacks will work just fine for Hillary. Of course, this begs the question of how she will be
Re: [scifinoir2] Study: False statements preceded war
If you have never seen it, rent The Panama Deception it is about the US invasion of Panama when illegally ousted Noriega under Bush the First. The similarities between media complicity then and with both the Iraq wars is chilling. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there was fear, yes, but also an honest amount of good old hatred, racism/xenophobia, and jingoism gone amuck. A lot of people just wanted to hit back at someone--anyone--after 9/11, and Iraq sounded good as anyone else. So it was the twin evils of fear and bloodlust that did us in. I'm still not over how the media failed us on this one... -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw the Moyer's special and thought it was good. What bothered me was that question was glaringly obvious and yet it was a pink elephant up to the outbreak of war. Then it ceased to matter as stupidity became reality. That said, as I think back on the events of 9-11 and the call to war afterwards, I don't think there's ever been a scarier time to be a voice of dissent in the US in my lifetime. So perhaps there's no wonder why people didn't ask the obvious. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've mentioned this one before, but listen to Bill Moyers' Buying the War, a PBS special he did last year. It's available as a downloading podcast at his website. That one program alone would give pause to anyone with a light on upstairs... -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found the following in my Yahoo headlines. I haven't taken the time to read the study or check out the links. While I know that nothing will likely come of this, in a way I feel gratified that the truth is finally coming out and being documented. Honestly, I am more than a little amazed the story was run at all. When the war was breaking out, I asked every body I knew who supported the war the following question: (I live in Texas so there were literally only three or four of us who thought the war was a bad move.) How does the most embargoed nation in the history of the world develop a program for weapons of mass destruction with essentially every available eye in the world focused on it 24-7 for ten years? The logical and reasonable answer is, they don't because it isn't possible. I spent a lot of time wondering why no one in the press ever even thought to ask this obvious question. Then the war broke out and it really didnt matter. Now I am wondering, more rhetorically, why the phrase war criminals is not used more often with regards to the cabal of terrorists we call the Bush Cabinet? By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks. The study concluded that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses. The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat. The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world, Stanzel said. The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both. It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida, according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan. Bush
[scifinoir2] Study: False statements preceded war
I found the following in my Yahoo headlines. I haven't taken the time to read the study or check out the links. While I know that nothing will likely come of this, in a way I feel gratified that the truth is finally coming out and being documented. Honestly, I am more than a little amazed the story was run at all. When the war was breaking out, I asked every body I knew who supported the war the following question: (I live in Texas so there were literally only three or four of us who thought the war was a bad move.) How does the most embargoed nation in the history of the world develop a program for weapons of mass destruction with essentially every available eye in the world focused on it 24-7 for ten years? The logical and reasonable answer is, they don't because it isn't possible. I spent a lot of time wondering why no one in the press ever even thought to ask this obvious question. Then the war broke out and it really didnt matter. Now I am wondering, more rhetorically, why the phrase war criminals is not used more often with regards to the cabal of terrorists we call the Bush Cabinet? By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks. The study concluded that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses. The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism. White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat. The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world, Stanzel said. The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both. It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida, according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan. Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida. The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews. The cumulative effect of these false statements amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war, the study concluded. Some journalists indeed, even some entire news organizations have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq, it said. ___ On the Net: Center For Public Integrity: http://www.publicintegrity.org/default.aspx Fund For Independence in Journalism: http://www.tfij.org/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]
Why is it that I am 100% unsurprised by these revelations? B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message Subject: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK organizer. Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800 From: Chris de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK organizer. Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy. http://tiny.cc/FmxR1 Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist Event July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing in a delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group Stormfront and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?) http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353only http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353only Funny how the Good Doctor keeps running into wannabee-Nazis isn't it, Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan a KKK organizer.]
I think it's actually because I went to his website when the Ron Paul kettle began to boil here and a had a look at what he supports. It was so typically conservative white male power structure on most issues, I figured there had to be a bit of the old uber-nastiness swirling around in denial and festering. First and foremost is this gem. He believes without question that any responsible political position flows from a pro-life persepective. He thinks corporations are too restrictive and that regulation laws keeping them in check should mostly be abolished. He also thinks most government agencies including regulatory ones should be abolished. Most people just here is close the IRS, legalize all drugs and get out Iraq talk and assume he's sane. The man is 100% certifiable and should be kept under armed guard before he begins handing out get of jail free cards to every corporate scumbag on earth. That he is a white power sympathizer, at the least, is just another buckle on his future straight jacket. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you are not buying his BS Bosco Bosco wrote: Why is it that I am 100% unsurprised by these revelations? B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message Subject: RE: Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK organizer. Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:58:39 -0800 From: Chris de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ron Paul's coordinator in Michigan just happens to be a KKK organizer. Here's a pic of the 'unfortunate' Dr. Ron posing with the guy. http://tiny.cc/FmxR1 Michigan Klan Member to Speak at Kalamazoo White Supremacist Event July 20 2007 Comments Print Friendly Page http://www.mediamouse.org/features/072007michi.php You may remember the incident with ever unlucky Dr. Paul posing in a delightful family photo with the leader of neo-Nazi group Stormfront and his son. (Are there any real Nazis left, I wonder?) http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353only http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353only Funny how the Good Doctor keeps running into wannabee-Nazis isn't it, Yahoo! Groups Links I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] Seen The Teeth- not Afraid of The Vagina
I saw the trailer and I have no idea if I'll see it. The trailer made it appear to be more hype than reality could support. It might be a rental. I just can't wait for the sink your teeth into it jokes to begin popping up B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After all the talk of killer sheep. I had to post this. So are you guys going to see this movie? Harry has seen TEETH - and is still not afraid of the vagina!!! http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/35308 You know â for a movie about a tooth filled vagina that bites fingers and penises off â this film plays a lot like a Cronenberg-esque HEROES episode about a young girl with a strange power and a lot of awkward, vulnerable and heart-achingly true scenes of what it is like to be an innocent girl coming to terms with her budding sexuality and the inherent power of the vagina. The very subject matter of this movie scares some women into thinking theyâll be outraged â and at the same time â it scares the penis out of men. So why would anyone watch a film about a subject matter we just donât â collectively â want to think about? Well⦠what if it is handled right? What if the story is handled delicately and with restraint? What if thereâs not shot of a toothy biting crotch monster â and instead itâs a film about empowering the victim â and giving her a strength and a power that is actually quite delicious â and allows the young innocent lamb to be a wolf in sheepâs clothing â striking at those that would fleece and cook the young lamb? Thatâs the sort of movie this is. One that can be interpretated by the Christian right as being a cautionary tale about going back on your vows of chastity. While on the other hand, being a badass tale of a young lady blossoming into an empowered and sexually active female that can take the sexual power back from the penatrator. I havenât seen this sort of horror since the heyday of David Cronenberg. Think RABID â think SHIVERS â think THE BROOD. This is a new flesh film going on the very old mythology of vagina dentate â which culturally goes back to the stone age, but with a modern age exploration and revelation. Is Mitchell Lichtenstein the new Cronenberg? I wouldnât say so, because other than the adaptability of the human body â tonally theyâre as far apart as night and day. No â Lichtenstein is a combination of Cronenberg and Alexander Payne â playing very much as a combination of ELECTION and SHIVERS. Thereâs fear, but hope and humor. It is very much a fearful and terrifying film for our lead actress, until the second half of the film, which gives her an illuminating look at her own problem. This is a very very smart movie and one that despite a really terrifying amount of intimate gore â it plays tender. Seriously. Jess Weixlerâs Dawn is very much a sweet and endearing character. The flower of the story with itâs thorn. The characters that surround her are also tenderly drawn. Even if the pricks are pricks. The movie is opening this weekend in New York (one theater) and in Los Angeles in several. If you love good strong smart horror with subtext and nudity â then you owe it to yourself to get out there and support this very smart film. The following week itâll be opening in seven more cities, then depending on the reaction there â other places in the country will get to see it⦠but make no mistake â the simple premise will keep mountains of ninnies away from this picture â but frankly â if I had a teenage girl or boy â Iâd take them and as many of their friends to see this movie. Not to scare them away from sex, but to having an open and frank discussion of the very real fears about opening that door at that early of an age. While also having a smart fun, scary and wild movie to revel in. I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Cloverfield- Memories of 9/11?
And Keith nails it again. In the words of Zach De La Rocha, What better time than now? What better place than here. As was also mentioned, I am sick to death of the conservative mind set acting like they've got rights reserved on who can mention the events of 9-11 and when they can mention them. It's insulting and callous. Bosco --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even if it were, so what? September 11 was horrible and tragic, but it happened. I keep hearing all these critics and pundits saying it's too soon. Well, when? the thousands of survivors are still mourning their loved ones, and whether we do or don't put out thought-provoking, well-written films on it isn't going to change their mourning one whit. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just saw Tracey's second posted review of this, and it reminded me of a chunk of news I saw this morn on Faux/Fixed/Fox News, someone who's protesting the movie because the apnic scenes evoke memories of 9/11 that could be traumatic to viewers. Honestly, I've beenc catching the trailer of this movie for close to a year now, and I've never once made the connection. Has anyone else? Does anyone think it's a valid comparison? Or is it as I'm reading it, just another attempt at shameless fear-mongering on the part of the GOP Media Machine? (No other news service, to the best of my knowledge, has carried this story.) There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
