[scifinoir2] Re: My new man crush: Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr.
Maybe they are grooming him for his own show --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: I'm on the late show but Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr. is hosting the Ed Show this week on MSNBC. IMHO a significant upgrade. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: I've got a new man crush. His name is Lawrence Francis O'Donnell, Jr. and although he has a long footprint - he has been around since the Clinton Administration, I first became aware of him when he recently guest hosted Keith Olbermann's MSNBC show. As of late, Mr. O'Donnell has been all over MSNBC, particularly The Morning Joe program and, to my admittedly biased ear, he is the only pragmatic and reasoned voice in popular media today. O'Donnell, an Emmy-Award winning producer and writer for the NBC series West Wing, is renown for his aggressive debate style. He once shouted liar! over and over again at Swift Boat Spokesperson John O'Neill and for shouting at fellow panelist Cathy Seipp on the issue of public education and teachers. O'Donnell refers to himself as a pragmatic European socialist but more tellingly, Morning Joe Scarborough delights in frequently calling him crazy which informs me that O'Donnell must be the most honest white man in America. ~rave!
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
Belated thanks! All is well. Setting my machine back up. I hope to be yaking with you guys in a few days Tracey --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: May all be well for you, Tracey! If there's anything we can do, you know where we live. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:54:42 - From : tdemorsella tdli...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hey Keith: Sorry To hit you on the list, but I have been trying to reach you. My computer crashed and I no longer have your contact info. Can you call me Tracey Hey fam. Sorry about that. It is an emergency --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: true! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlrouge@, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlrouge@ wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show
[scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
Hey Keith: Sorry To hit you on the list, but I have been trying to reach you. My computer crashed and I no longer have your contact info. Can you call me Tracey Hey fam. Sorry about that. It is an emergency --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: true! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlro...@..., scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlro...@... wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/
[scifinoir2] Re: Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan
Well put Bosco. I could not have said it better. There were choices that were made that I did not agree with, but that did not take away from the story. These were his choices to make and his story to tell. He told HIS story well. I remember being in this place with Battlestar and their decision to make Starbuck a woman and Tigh White. While I still think that moore has some issues with Blacks and screwed up the finale, he told his story well and the casting decisions proved to good ones. I think Abrams bristles at some of the hardcore trekkers/trekkies reactions and sometimes goes out of his way to alienate them in his interviews and some of the marketing. I also think that some of that dynamic in going on with his bizarro relationship with Shatner. I like Shatner, but he sometimes does appear to have some type of Star Trek god complex going on. If Abrams is the type of person who does not brush off his shoulders when outsiders tell him they think he is wrong, then that might explain some of his actions. I think Shatner going public with his crusade to be on the show, guaranteed his fate. It was tacky and idiotic to take the casting issue to the public. I too found that a tremendous amount of work and care went into breathing life into a dying franchise, by evolving it into something new, a wonderful hybrid of new and old,while staying true to some many of the aspects that are important to trekkies. I was home again. I saw flaws, but overall after years of missteps with Trek films over the last decade or so, (First Contact being the exception) Abrams delivered the goods. I also saw improvements. In my mind, I hated that Uhuru, Sulu, Scotty and Chekov were glorified extras. I see potential for more character development with their characters. In a way, there was more character development for them in two hours than in the entire three years the series was on. Showing more of the internal batter with being both human and vulcan was also an interesting move in my opinion. Just remember, two years ago, we did not know if or when there would be a new trek film or show. Now, thanks to Abrams, we have Trekkers 2.0 with new fans that are hooked on the Trek mythology. We are likely to have guaranteed at least a decade of trek films and there is a Trek series in the works with a really good producer with great scifi production credentials. we also will likely see even more scifi movie productions. With all the money that will be made, if there are ways to keep production casts down, networks will open up again to more scifi series. The man gave us a gift. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpi...@... wrote: Keith One of the things I love about this list are your posts. I'm saying that up front because I am gonna respectfully disagree with you.I LOVE the new Trek Film. I will say without question it's the best Trek Film EVER. It's not lazy. That's partly because it's Trek and partly because it's not. It's not lazy. It's just not what you want. It's clear that a tremendous amount of research, thought and work went into this film. Because Abrams made choices you would not have does not make him a lazy story teller. I have always loved science fiction because it creates other possibilities and amazing worlds of what if. The constraints of reality have always been cast away for better story telling. That's exactly what the new Trek film DOES WELL!!! I've also made no secret of late that one of the things I love about the new Trek Film is the way it INFURIATES the Trek nerds. It's freakin awesome that it has been so successful, so good and produced a reaction so strong. Indicative, I think, that Abrams got it EXACTLY right in order to breathe life into the franchise. Let's face it, it WAS DEAD, Jim. The fact that some of the older generation of Trek fans can't let go of the bloated corpse of what was, simply makes me giggle. I'm sorry for your loss but unless some Trekditionalists get a bunch of funds together to make another in long line of generally subpar science fiction films, it's Abrams world now and we're just visiting. Time to find a way to move on. Bosco --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Star Trek' Director Open To Sequel With William Shatner Or Khan To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: ggs...@..., cinque3...@... Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 10:52 AM I'm sorry, but every time I listen to Abrams make statements like The old continuity was restrictive , it angers me. That's just lazy film making. The Trek universe spans five series, ten movies, and --including enterprise --about two centuries. You're telling me he couldn't find something in *all that* to fuel new, action-driven stories? He couldn't have brought
[scifinoir2] Re: Knowing
Hey James: Welcome to the list. Aren't all Cage Scifi Movies Disaster's lately. I'm so disappointed. The wig doers not help his cause either. Sorry... I'm just being catty. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, James Nelson Smith goldenboy...@... wrote: Just watchec a sneak preview of the new Nicholas Cage film, Knowing. It is a SF disaster movie for all intents and purposes, but somewhere along the 3/4 mark, I started to get a very strange sense of deja vu about where the filmmakers where going with it. To go any further before the movie officially opens would have to include spoilers, but I encourage everyone to catch a matinee, and then discuss how this movie went so wrong (at least from my perspective).
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Blu-ray's Fuzzy Future - get ready for TV downloads
heh, heh :) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Object lesson here, gentlefolk? Never jump into the big, showy limo with all of the bells and whistles, because a *better* limo is just around the corner. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Blu-ray's_Fuzzy_Future__-_get_ready_for_TV_downloads Date : Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:54:00 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, CINQUE cinque3...@..., ggs...@..., 'Chris de Morsella' cdemorse...@...,'paul demorsella' pc...@... January 5, 2009 Blu-ray's Fuzzy Future By MATT RICHTEL ndex.html?inline=nyt-per and BRAD STONE ex.html?inline=nyt-per The biggest news at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas last January was not the birth of a new product but the death of one. A decision by Warner Brothers ment_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org to withdraw support for the HD DVD video disc format sent shock waves through the electronics industry and appeared to hand the future of home entertainment to Blu-ray, a rival format. The move set the stage for this year's Consumer Electronics Show, which starts Wednesday under the dark cloud of a recession and a sharp downturn in consumer spending. Nearly two million square feet of convention hall will be stocked with the latest mobile phones, portable music players, digital cameras and expensive flat-screen televisions. But many eyes will be on Blu-ray, which for the first time has the floor largely to itself as the heir apparent to the DVD. Over the last decade, DVD players and discs have generated tens of billions of dollars for Hollywood and the consumer electronics industry, so the pressure for a blockbuster sequel is high. This year will be crucial for the new format. Heavy holiday discounting and the natural decline in electronics prices over time have pushed prices for some Blu-ray players under $200, a drop of well more than half in the last few years - and into the realm of affordability for many. At the same time, Blu-ray's backers, including Sony x.html?inline=nyt-org and the Walt Disney Company ndex.html?inline=nyt-org , face a growing chorus of skeptics that says the window for a high-definition disc format may be closing fast. One reason is that discs of all kinds may become obsolete as a new wave of digital media services starts to flow into the living room. On Monday, for example, the Korean television maker LG Electronics plans to announce a new line of high-definition televisions that connect directly to the Internet with no set-top box required. The televisions will be able to play movies and television shows from online video-on-demand services, including Netflix l?inline=nyt-org . The Blu-ray format is in jeopardy simply because the advent of downloadable HD movies is so close, said Roger L. Kay, president of Endpoint Technologies Associates. a research and consulting company. Streaming video from the Internet and other means of direct digital delivery are going to put optical formats out of business entirely over the next few years. Blu-ray's supporters have another view. They say the technology had a breakout year, crowned by the holiday success of The Dark Knight, which sold 600,000 Blu-ray copies in one day. They also say that Blu-ray players are selling faster than DVD players did at a comparable time in their emergence. What we saw in 2008 was increasing adoption of Blu-ray along with decreasing hardware prices, said Reed Hastings, the chief executive of Netflix, which has persuaded more than half a million members to pay an extra dollar a month to rent Blu-ray discs. The window of opportunity for DVD and Blu-ray discs is longer than most people think. But it's not going to last forever. The Consumer Electronics Association predicts that North American consumers will spend $1.3 billion on Blu-ray players in 2009, outpacing the projected $1.2 billion that will be spent on regular DVD players, although Blu-ray players are two to three times more expensive. Last year was a launching pad, and 2009 is going to be our growth year, said Andy Parsons, the chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association, a consortium of the format's backers. We think this year we'll start to see the format really take off into the mass market. But evidence exists that many people either do not know enough about Blu-ray to buy or do not think the more expensive players and discs are worth the extra investment. Going from the whirring VCRs of yore to a DVD player was a big leap in picture quality and convenience, while the jump from DVD to Blu-ray is subtler, at least for those who do not have the latest and largest high-definition televisions. Americans are still expected to buy more standard DVD players next year than Blu-ray players, according to the Consumer
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car
I'm trying to make a career change into renewable energy and during my research, I read this afternoon that it is a mostly false claim. I think the care is partially solar --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Please, please, pleasepleasePLEASE... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:06:55 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@..., cinque3...@..., 'Chris de Morsella' cdemorse...@... TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp. is secretly developing a vehicle that will be powered solely by solar energy in an effort to turn around its struggling business with a futuristic ecological car, a top business daily reported Thursday. The Nikkei newspaper, however, said it will be years before the planned vehicle will be available on the market. Toyota's offices were closed Thursday and officials were not immediately available for comment. According to The Nikkei, Toyota is working on an electric vehicle that will get some of its power from solar cells equipped on the vehicle, and that can be recharged with electricity generated from solar panels on the roofs of homes. The automaker later hopes to develop a model totally powered by solar cells on the vehicle, the newspaper said without citing sources. The solar car is part of efforts by Japan's top automaker to grow during hard times, The Nikkei said. In December, Toyota stunned the nation by announcing it will slip into its first operating loss in 70 years, as it gets battered by a global slump, especially in the key U.S. market. The surging yen has also hurt the earnings of Japanese automakers. Still, Toyota is a leader in green technology and executives have stressed they won't cut back on environmental research despite its troubles. Toyota, the manufacturer of the Lexus luxury car and Camry sedan, has already begun using solar panels at its Tsutsumi plant in central Japan to produce some of its own electricity. The solar panels on the roofs add up in size to the equivalent of 60 tennis courts and produce enough electricity to power 500 homes, according to Toyota. That reduces 740 tons a year of carbon dioxide emissions and is equal to using 1,500 barrels of crude oil. Toyota is also likely to indirectly gain expertise in solar energy when its partner in developing and producing hybrid batteries, Panasonic Corp., takes over Japanese rival Sanyo Electric Co., a leader in solar energy, early next year. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/01/ap-toyota-secretly-develo_n_154654. html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Hot Topics Started Nov 30 - Dec 6
Those subscribers to the group who go no mail or digest format often get left out of the most involved discussions, so I am sending out a periodic list of some of the more active discussions started recently. The following are most active topics started between November 30 December 6. Please join in if you missed any that interest you Tracey What movies/DVD's did you see over the holiday http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25226 First Black Doctor Who - Its Official http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25283 Black Presidents: A pop-cultural survey By Troy Patterson http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25279 True Blood Finale http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25320 Static's DC debut http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25328 Recommend Your Vampire Favorites http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25364 What are the SciFi Channel Guys Smoking? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25176 Ian Fleming's Monster's Ball http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25223 New Star Trek Trailer (Thoughts?) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25090 Courtney B. Vance to star in Flash Forward http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25298 Movies Set To Boom In 'Recession' http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25292 So... I watched Cha$e http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25312 AMC: Are You Living in a Science Fiction Movie? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25307 innerspace, scifi no more http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/25347
[scifinoir2] Post Your SciFiNoir People Profile
Hi SciFiNoir Family. For over a decade, many of you have been submitting your profile via email to the group. A few years ago, we started using Frapper to see which members lived near each other. Recently Yahoogroups has added a new set of features that allows us to do that and more. So I set up the SciFiNoir People Profile Map It is a new profile section of our group that enables us to let other members know more about our specific interests in science fiction. If you have a sci-fi related blog, web site, book, comic, graphic novel, web series, club, publishing firm, production company, etc., this is one of the best places to let members know about what you are doing. It is also a great tool for finding out which members are located near you. I have taken the first step and posted my profile, it is my hope that you will all do the same.Thanks Go to the following link to see the SciFiNoir People Profile Map http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2 Post your profile at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=map If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me. Tracey de Morsella, your moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir2/
[scifinoir2] Roll Call: Name Your Favorite Games
Aubrey and Adrianne's post reminded me that hamers tend to stay hidden on this list. Let's change that Why don't you guys come out of hiding. Please declare your favorites, the ones you would like to see be made into movies and those you hate. Also, tell us why. Thanks Tracey From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Happy Place *raises hand* World of Warcraft here. :D :D Oh yeah, and now that I have a new, sweet machine, gotta reinstall Second Life. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Aubrey Leatherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if there are gamers on this loop... But it's Friday night, I just had a fine dinner, I've got a nice drink, a fire, and the doors open to a nice windy night. The lights are off in the living room, the TV's on, and I have scooted my recliner and ottoman right up to it, and despite the fact that I'm supposed to wait, I am about to crack the seal on the new Prince of Persia while I'm alone. This is a happy moment. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace The People You Know, The Sex They Have ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 Lyrical Press. Inc
[scifinoir2] Recommend Your Vampire Favorites
a few days ago, Bosco brought to our attention, a Vampire flick (Let The Right One In) that many of us likely would have missed. Are their other gems out there? Please post a list of some of your favorite vampire movies and books. Tracey
[scifinoir2] Black Presidents: A pop-cultural survey By Troy Patterson
Over the past decade, their have been a number of films and TV shows featuring Black Presidents. Now that we have a real one, I thought this overview might be relevant culturebox Black Presidents A pop-cultural survey. By Troy Patterson Posted Friday, Oct. 24, 2008, at 10:26 AM ET The first movie to imagine a black president of the United States at any length was Joseph Sargent's satirical drama The Man in 1972. There, Douglass Dilman, president pro tempore of the Senate, happens into the Oval Office after the president and the speaker of the House die in a ceiling collapse. Unavailable on DVD, The Man is now a rarity, and yet it clearly forecasts the screen existences of subsequent black presidents. James Earl Jones uses his commanding, paternal, universally presentable voice in the title rolea harbinger of baritones to come. Notably, the job of adapting Irving Wallace's novel went to Twilight Zone creator Rod Serling. Black presidents have most often existed in science-fiction scenarios, lending a futuristic tint to the proceedings. Next summer, Danny Glover will play one President Wilson in 2012, Roland Emmerich's forthcoming special-effects spectacular. What might any of this mean for Barack Obama? Beats me. But the next two weeks will see much talk and many pixels devoted to race and his candidacy, and in a nation drunk on entertainment, the legacy of his fictional forebears has to count for something. Herewith, a scan of the most prominent black presidents in American pop culture and a stab at understanding their significance. 24 (2001-Present) Actors: Dennis Haysbert, D.B. Woodside Presidents of the United States: David Palmer, Wayne Palmer Tellingly, the first black actor cast as the president on Fox's action series was most famous as the voice of an insurance company. We were in good hands with David Palmer and his race-neutral Allstate baritone, and his looksmainstream manliness shaded brownradiated dependability. The same can't be said of the black president who succeeded him on the show. David's brother Wayne24 is, of course, energetically ludicrous, so don't bother about the plot twists that preceded his swearing inhas a shaved head and a jazzman's goatee altogether too slick for the West Wing. The actor playing Wayne, D.B. Woodside, looks like NBA point guard Gary Paytonand perhaps not for nothing. Is there anything to the fact that Fox's online profiles for both characters mention their athletic prowess? Wayne Palmer went to Stanford on a baseball scholarship, and David was a basketball star at Georgetown. It's as if they've vaulted into politics from a more familiar field for African-American heroes. Whateverthey're tough on terrorism. Deep Impact (1998) Actor: Morgan Freeman POTUS: Tom Beck Not to be confused with the same year's Armageddon, about astronauts nuking an asteroid on a collision course with the Earth, Deep Impact is about nuking a comet on a collision course with the Earth. It's also about an MSNBC reporter so darling, as played by Téa Leoni, that the president gives her something of a scoop about the comet-nuking mission. Freeman looks and sounds conventionally presidential in the way that only a Visa pitchman can (cf. Dennis Haybert and his underwriter's reliability). The actor shades his quiet righteousnessthat Bruce Almighty-style rigorwith just a smidgen of Driving Miss Daisy deference. There's no subtextual reason for Beck to be blackbeyond patting America on its broadly inclusive back, maybe, or signaling an EEO solidarity with Leoni's girl reporter. The Fifth Element (1997) Actor: Tommy Tiny Lister POTUS: President Lindberg Luc Besson's wiggy fantasia tells the story of a planet representing pure evil on a collision course with the Earth in the 23rd century. Instead of nukes, our weapon against it is Milla Jovovich's bandage-attired supernatural sylph, and one President Lindberg oversees her deployment. (Technically, Lindberg leads an entity called the United Federation, which is headquartered in New York City, but the geopolitics of blockbusters rule him in as our commander in chief.) Among its many bits of delirium, The Fifth Element presents a quasi-ironic festival of retrograde racial images, with Variety's review noting that Chris Tucker's mincing sidekick sounds like Butterfly McQueen on speed. As played by Listera 300-pounder best known for playing a larcenous thug in FridayLindberg is not a suitable role model. Too angry. Too hostile. Too much bestial grunting. That said, his menacing glares somehow suggest he'd stand firm against lobbyists. Head of State (2003) Actor: Chris Rock POTUS: Mays Gilliam In the only film on this list that does not qualify as fantasy or science fiction, a presidential candidate dies in a plane crash. (Shades, here, of The Man.) Party bosses, believing that defeat is certain, select a small-time D.C. alderman to head their ticket and take a fall so that an insider can cruise to victory four years later.
[scifinoir2] 2009 Glyph Comics Awards calls for submissions, names judges
SUBMISSIONS FOR THE 2009 GLYPH COMICS AWARDS ARE NOW BEING ACCEPTED; JUDGES NAMED This past May, in the closest race in the brief history of the Glyph Comics Awards (GCA), Sentences, the autobiography of underground rapper MF Grimm, a.k.a. Percy Carey, walked away with the grand prize of Story of the Year. This year promises just as competitive a race. The GCA Committee has selected their panel of judges for the 2009 competition. They are: · Valerie D'Orazio, president, Friends of Lulu · Mathan Erhardt, writer, Comics Nexus · Ed Mathews, columnist, Pop Image · Tim O'Shea, writer/interviewer, TalkingWithTim.com · Elayne Riggs, comics reviewer and commentator Any comics publisher small, large, corporate, independent, self-published as well as online comic creators and cartoonists for newspapers and other periodicals, are invited to submit black-themed material released from January 1-December 31, 2008 for consideration for award recognition. The Committee defines black-themed work as any comic with any combination of the following: a black protagonist(s), or at least a black character(s) pivotal to the direction of the story; a setting(s) or a theme(s) that explores the black experience within the United States and/or abroad, past, present, and/or future; and/or a comic of any kind written and/or illustrated by a black creator(s). Anyone wishing to submit their comic book or comic strip for consideration in the 2009 competition should e-mail GCA Committee Chair Rich Watson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for further information. Hard copies are preferred, though submissions of e-files will also be accepted. Online comics creators and newspaper/periodical cartoonists with websites should send a direct URL link to their site or page. Daily cartoonists must have a minimum of one month's work archived and available for viewing; weekly cartoonists a minimum of two months. The deadline for submissions is January 31, 2009. The 2009 Glyph Comics Awards ceremony will be held at the East Coast Black Age of Comics Convention (ECBACC) in May 2009. About the Glyph Comics Awards: The Glyph Comics Awards recognize the best in comics made by, for, and about people of color from the preceding calendar year. While it is not exclusive to black creators, it does strive to honor those who have made the greatest contributions to the comics medium in terms of both critical and commercial impact. By doing so, the goal is to encourage more diverse and high quality work across the board and to inspire new creators to add their voices to the field. The awards are named for the blog Glyphs: The Language of the Black Comics Community (http://glyphs.popcultureshock.com), started in 2005 by comics journalist Rich Watson as a means to provide news and commentary of comics with black themes, as well as tangential topics in the fields of black science-fiction/fantasy and animation. About ECBACC: The East Coast Black Age of Comics Convention (www.ecbacc.com/wordpress) is an annual gathering of comic book creators and retailers who create and sell material that caters to black readers of all ages. In addition to selling their work, they also take part in panel discussions and self-publishing workshops for aspiring creators. The convention is held in Philadelphia each May. There is also a pre-show reception held at the African American Museum in Philadelphia. ECBACC is an outgrowth of the original Black Age of Comics Convention in Chicago, founded by Turtel Onli. For more information about ECBACC, contact event coordinator Maurice Waters at maurice.waters @ ecbacc.com.
[scifinoir2] First Black Doctor Who - Its Official
OK now that it is official, what do you guys think? Paterson Joseph to be the first black Doctor Who The actor Paterson Joseph is to be the first black Doctor Who. Sources close to the BBC have reportedly confirmed that he has been asked to be the new Doctor and that he accepted a couple of days ago. You can currently see him in the science fiction TV series Survivors, as Greg Preston, one of the lucky - well, perhaps - 5 per cent to survive a global meta-plague. London-born, as well as Survivors, Paterson Joseph's fantasy and science fiction resume includes the Marquis de Carabas in Neverwhere, a bit part in the Doctor Who episode Bad Wolf, as Giroux alongside Charlize Theron in Paramount's Aeon Flux movie; as Space Marshall Clarke in the BBC SF sitcom Hyperdrive, and he played Benjamin in the BBC's fantasy horror series Jekyll. First Obama, now Doctor Who, what can we say at SFcrowsnest.com apart from wow! He's a great actor and he'll be a fab Doctor. http://www.sfcrowsnest.com/news/arc/2008/nz13329.php
[scifinoir2] Re: What movies/DVDs did you see over the holiday - Group Discussion
I rented the Spiderwick Chronicles to watch with my daughter and niece and I was pleasantly surprised. I really enjoyed it. Can't say the same for either fantastic four. I found them both to be extremely mediocre. However, I did enjoy the Hulk better than the first one- particularly now that he dose not bounce around like a rubber ball any more. That being said, it did not feel like a blockbuster the way that Iron man did. Dark knight is one of the best super hero movies ever. You got to see it --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spiderwick Chronicles - loved it! Very good movie. Also saw about half of the second Fantastic Four movie. I also liked it. I still need to catch the Hulk movie and Dark Knight. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon on 12/2: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM, tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of us seem to take time over the holidays to go to the movies or check out some DVDs. What movies/DVD's did you see over the holidays? Let us know which ones you liked or hated and why. Tracey Yahoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] TV Casting May Feel an Obama Effect
November 29, 2008 TV Casting May Feel an Obama Effect By BILL CARTER http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/arts/television/29race.html?_r=1partner=rssemc=rsspagewanted=print It may say something about the state of American television that there is one more black president-elect of the United States than there are black actors with individual lead roles in a network television drama. But after years of ensemble dramas sprinkled with nonwhite supporting actors, the excitement surrounding the election of Barack Obama could help to open doors for more minorities in leading dramatic roles, executives from television production studios said. Ben Silverman, the co-chairman of NBC Entertainment who oversees the network's television studio, said that he and the head of the diversity initiative for NBC Universal, Paula Madison, have been pushing for projects starring minorities. Mr. Silverman said, We were going after this regardless, but I don't think you can deny the power that Barack Obama brings in magnifying this direction in our world. He added, We've all been colorblind for years, but the results don't necessarily match up to our intentions. Ms. Madison said that NBC's approach was at least as much about business as about social responsibility. People are not living in single-race silos anymore, she said. We said, `Let's try to develop a world that looks like the world we're living in.' The evidence seems to indicate that race neutrality has not produced a surge of black lead performers, at least in network dramas. While comedies with black characters have been something of a network staple from the much vilified Amos 'n Andy in the early days of television, through shows like Sanford and Son with Redd Foxx, The Jeffersons, and Martin Lawrence's sitcom Martin historically, blacks in lead television drama roles have been rare. Bill Cosby, whose 1980s hit sitcom revitalized that genre after a period of decline, famously broke through in drama as the co-star of I Spy in 1965. He won three Emmy awards in the role of Alexander Scott, an espionage agent. Exactly two black actors (and no actresses) have won Emmy awards for drama series since: James Earl Jones, who played the title role in the short-lived Gabriel's Fire in 1991, and Andre Braugher, who was part of the ensemble in Homicide in 1998. Dennis Haysbert, who played President David Palmer on the Fox series 24, is featured in the CBS ensemble drama The Unit (produced by Mr. Newman's Fox studio). Also this season, the venerable NBC drama ER added Angela Bassett; executives at its studio, Warner Brothers, now identify her as the lead in that show. But both ER and The Unit are ensemble shows, a genre that has for decades going back to performers like Michael Warren in Hill Street Blues and Denzel Washington in St. Elsewhere been the route for black drama actors to break through. ER has featured black actors (including Eriq La Salle) since its inception in 1994. ABC's Grey's Anatomy, whose creator and executive producer, Shonda Rhimes, is black, has similarly offered a notably diverse cast. But there is no dramatic series spotlighting a single star like House on Fox, Chuck on NBC, Eli Stone on ABC or The Mentalist on CBS now led by a black actor. Hispanic actors have fared somewhat better. Jimmy Smits has starred in several series, and America Ferrera is now the star of Ugly Betty. Cable's recent list of single-star dramas is also notable for its roster of white stars, including shows like The Shield, The Closer, Saving Grace, Dexter, Monk, Burn Notice, Breaking Bad and Damages. Tim Reid, who was the star and an executive producer of the Emmy-winning comedy series Frank's Place for CBS in the 1987-88 season and who recently wrote, with the white comic Tom Dreesen, Tim and Tom: An American Comedy in Black and White about their days as a stand-up team has been outspoken about the continued limited opportunities for minorities in television. If the president-elect should have any positive influence over the so-called liberal base of Hollywood, it will be by focusing their attention on the reality of the kind of multicultural world we actually live in, Mr. Reid said in an e-mail message. This doesn't just mean putting another person of color in front of the camera, but giving them an equal opportunity in having a say-so in what is created for the camera. In my opinion, he continued, we're far more likely to have a black president in my lifetime ... oh, yeah ... I can stop saying that now. The most significant hiring of a black actor for a television series has been long in the works: next month the film star Laurence Fishburne will assume the lead in CBS's biggest hit show, CSI. That move was not connected to the ascendance of Mr. Obama, though CBS and studio executives expressed hope that the timing would help in the transition from William Petersen, the current CSI lead, to Mr. Fishburne. David Stapf, president of the CBS Paramount
[scifinoir2] Ooops! Re: TV Casting May Feel an Obama Effect
Ooops Sorry about the resend --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: November 29, 2008 TV Casting May Feel an Obama Effect By BILL CARTER http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/arts/television/29race.html?_r=1partner=rssemc=rsspagewanted=print It may say something about the state of American television that there is one more black president-elect of the United States than there are black actors with individual lead roles in a network television drama. But after years of ensemble dramas sprinkled with nonwhite supporting actors, the excitement surrounding the election of Barack Obama could help to open doors for more minorities in leading dramatic roles, executives from television production studios said. Ben Silverman, the co-chairman of NBC Entertainment who oversees the network's television studio, said that he and the head of the diversity initiative for NBC Universal, Paula Madison, have been pushing for projects starring minorities. Mr. Silverman said, We were going after this regardless, but I don't think you can deny the power that Barack Obama brings in magnifying this direction in our world. He added, We've all been colorblind for years, but the results don't necessarily match up to our intentions. Ms. Madison said that NBC's approach was at least as much about business as about social responsibility. People are not living in single-race silos anymore, she said. We said, `Let's try to develop a world that looks like the world we're living in.' The evidence seems to indicate that race neutrality has not produced a surge of black lead performers, at least in network dramas. While comedies with black characters have been something of a network staple from the much vilified Amos 'n Andy in the early days of television, through shows like Sanford and Son with Redd Foxx, The Jeffersons, and Martin Lawrence's sitcom Martin historically, blacks in lead television drama roles have been rare. Bill Cosby, whose 1980s hit sitcom revitalized that genre after a period of decline, famously broke through in drama as the co-star of I Spy in 1965. He won three Emmy awards in the role of Alexander Scott, an espionage agent. Exactly two black actors (and no actresses) have won Emmy awards for drama series since: James Earl Jones, who played the title role in the short-lived Gabriel's Fire in 1991, and Andre Braugher, who was part of the ensemble in Homicide in 1998. Dennis Haysbert, who played President David Palmer on the Fox series 24, is featured in the CBS ensemble drama The Unit (produced by Mr. Newman's Fox studio). Also this season, the venerable NBC drama ER added Angela Bassett; executives at its studio, Warner Brothers, now identify her as the lead in that show. But both ER and The Unit are ensemble shows, a genre that has for decades going back to performers like Michael Warren in Hill Street Blues and Denzel Washington in St. Elsewhere been the route for black drama actors to break through. ER has featured black actors (including Eriq La Salle) since its inception in 1994. ABC's Grey's Anatomy, whose creator and executive producer, Shonda Rhimes, is black, has similarly offered a notably diverse cast. But there is no dramatic series spotlighting a single star like House on Fox, Chuck on NBC, Eli Stone on ABC or The Mentalist on CBS now led by a black actor. Hispanic actors have fared somewhat better. Jimmy Smits has starred in several series, and America Ferrera is now the star of Ugly Betty. Cable's recent list of single-star dramas is also notable for its roster of white stars, including shows like The Shield, The Closer, Saving Grace, Dexter, Monk, Burn Notice, Breaking Bad and Damages. Tim Reid, who was the star and an executive producer of the Emmy-winning comedy series Frank's Place for CBS in the 1987-88 season and who recently wrote, with the white comic Tom Dreesen, Tim and Tom: An American Comedy in Black and White about their days as a stand-up team has been outspoken about the continued limited opportunities for minorities in television. If the president-elect should have any positive influence over the so-called liberal base of Hollywood, it will be by focusing their attention on the reality of the kind of multicultural world we actually live in, Mr. Reid said in an e-mail message. This doesn't just mean putting another person of color in front of the camera, but giving them an equal opportunity in having a say-so in what is created for the camera. In my opinion, he continued, we're far more likely to have a black president in my lifetime ... oh, yeah ... I can stop saying that now. The most significant hiring of a black actor for a television series has been long in the works: next month the film star Laurence Fishburne will assume the lead in CBS's biggest hit show, CSI. That move was not connected to the ascendance of Mr. Obama
[scifinoir2] What movies/DVDs did you see over the holiday - Group Discussion
Many of us seem to take time over the holidays to go to the movies or check out some DVDs. What movies/DVD's did you see over the holidays? Let us know which ones you liked or hated and why. Tracey
[scifinoir2] Sci-Cry: 10 Guaranteed SF Weepers
Sci-Cry: 10 Guaranteed SF Weepers http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=59530 Most people think of science fiction movies as hard and rational. But remember when the poster boy for all that is logical, Spock (Leonard Nimoy), died in 1982's Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan? Come on, admit it: You had a little something in your eye at that moment. Notwithstanding its image of lightsaber fights and starship battles, the science fiction genre of movies reveals a soft, gooey center of emotion and outright sentimentality underneath all that white plastic armor. In no particular order, here are 10 more of our favorite two-hankie SF movies from the past three decades. (Spoilers ahead!!) Try to keep a dry eye if you can. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982). Doe-eyed Henry Thomas plays Elliott, a little boy who finds a lost and terrified alien creature and hides the E.T. in his bedroom closet until it can return to its own planet. The two form a bond so strong that when one falls ill the other suffers as well; when it's time for E.T. to rejoin his brethren, it's a sorrowfully sweet parting. Directed by Steven Spielberg. Children of Men (2006). Just a couple of decades from now, mankind's seed has dried up, and new babies are a distant memory. That is, until a mysterious woman finds herself even more mysteriously pregnant. Both the government and nefarious scientists want to get her in their clutches. But a caring clique of subversives (Clive Owen, Julianne Moore and Michael Caine) step forward to help her, only to find themselves with a foot in their own graves. Directed by Alfonso Cuarón. The Fountain (2006). A man's (Hugh Jackman) everlasting love for his terminally ill wife (Rachel Weisz) is so mighty that it sends him on a journey that spans centuries as he searches for a cure. If anguished death scenes are the death of you, you'll be wiping your wet cheeks more than once during this weeper. Directed by Darren Aronofsky. This story continues below the image. [fountain] The Fountain's Hugh Jackman is a sad, sad man. Bicentennial Man (1999). In this adaptation of an Isaac Asimov novel, Robin Williams plays an android who evolves and begins to develop all kinds of feelings: nostalgia, affection, jealousy, joy and wistfulness, to name a few. Directed by a master of the maudlin, Christopher Columbus, the power of the story and Williams' performance yank a slew of tears throughout. Solaris (2002). We know the remake isn't the popular version, but for the modern American's sensibilities, the tighter script and more romance-focused story successfully pluck more heartstrings than the 1972 Russian classic. In the remake, George Clooney plays a psychologist orbiting a strange planet, which sends him enticing visions of his dead wife (Natascha McElhone). Directed by Steven Soderbergh. The Abyss (1989). Years before he'd helm the ultimate waterworks weepie, director James Cameron got his sea legs with this soggy story. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and Ed Harris play an estranged husband and wife who are trapped in an undersea habitat that falls under siege. They realize they are still in love when each is forced to decide who will make the ultimate sacrifice to save the life of the other. Repo! The Genetic Opera (2008). While there's an awful lot of crazy stuff going on in this futuristic rock 'n' roll horror sci-fi opera--not to mention social satire at every turn--at its heart, this film is the solemn story of a father's (Anthony Stewart Head) unbreakable bond with his daughter (Alexa Vega). When grave misfortunes befall both of them, you actually care, thanks to a strong script (based on a stage play written by Darren Smith and Terrance Zdunich) and unswerving performances by the actors. Directed by Darren Lynn Bousman. This story continues below the image. [repo] Repo! stars Anthony Stewart Head and Alexa Vega are sad, sad people. Artificial Intelligence: AI (2001). Something like Bicentennial Man in that its protagonist is an android with feelings (adroitly played by Haley Joel Osment), this movie is the one story Stanley Kubrick always wanted to tell but died before he could finish it. Director Steven Spielberg took over after the master's death in 1999. While the tale would have been more effective if it had ended under the sea, where the little robot boy finally finds the elusive blue fairy of his dreams, it's still worthy of a least one grief-counseling appointment after viewing. Sunshine (2007). This drama about interpersonal relationships, sacrifice and all-encompassing devotion to lovers, family and friends just happens to be set on a spaceship that's racing toward the sun. While the ensemble cast is stellar--each and every one--it is the ethereal and androgynous Cillian Murphy as the emotional anchor who focuses the sorrow like a magnifying glass. Directed by Danny Boyle. I Am Legend (2007). This latest adaptation of the, er, legendary parable written by Richard Matheson
[scifinoir2] Re: The End' for popcorn in British cinemas
Hey Curtis:
glad you finally jumped in. How was your trip?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Curtis, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We do have the best popcorn here in Chicago. How are you Tracey? YES
WE CAN with Obama!
Curtis, Jr. at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ObamaBrigade/
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@
wrote:
Dont forget about Chicago's own Garretts popcorn...best in the
countryyou obviously are not from the 'GO...lol
On 8/13/08, Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote:
You'd suffer hear in Chicago...they have specialty places
that sell
the popcorn flaver mix you spoke of all over the place...don't
forget
Cracker jack, Fiddle-Faddle, or Screaming Yellow Zonkers...( I
bet I just
started another thread, didn't I?)
-See that guy who looks like a cross between Elvis and P-Funk? He
is Johnny
Ross.- From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie
--- On *Tue, 8/12/08, KeithBJohnson@ KeithBJohnson@
* wrote:
From: KeithBJohnson@ KeithBJohnson@
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The End' for popcorn in British cinemas
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 9:17 PM
i'm not a real fan of popcorn, unless it's gourmet level. Man,
when
people send tins of Popcorn Factory for Christmas, with that mix
of
caramel/butter/ cheddar corn--I'm all over that! But the typical
butter-flavor in movie theatres is some combination of old, dry,
nasty, so I
rarely buy it. But if it were caramel-covered I'd be tempted.
-- Original message --
From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. com
Thought of you when I posted it
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@
yahoogroups. com]
*On Behalf Of *KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
*Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2008 9:16 AM
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cinemas
Sounds like they're specifically addressing sugar coated'
popcorn? I
guess that's the same as what we call caramel popcorn? Hell, I
wish we could
*buy* caramel popcorn in the movie theatre!
-- Original message --
From: Martin truthseeker_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
Hu-WHA? - H Farnsworth, c.3000
I couldn't *imagine* walking into a theater and *not* smelling
popcorn. And
this is honestly the *first* time I've ever heard of anyone
complaining
about the smell of the stuff. As for the health issues incumbent,
I'm
admittedly clueless here. But I *can* safely say that it's a lot
more
dangerous to breathe the air on the way over...
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
--- On *Sun, 8/10/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aladvantage.
com* wrote:
From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] aladvantage. com
Subject: [scifinoir2] The End' for popcorn in British cinemas
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Cc: 'CINQUE' [EMAIL PROTECTED] net
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 11:16 PM
*Sat Aug 9, 9:13 PM ET*
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LONDON (AFP) - The credits are rolling in Britain for the time-
honoured
cinematic tradition of munching popcorn at the movies -- a
newspaper
reported Sunday that increasing numbers of cinemas are banning it.
A combination of health-conscious cinemagoers rejecting sugar-
coated
popcorn and disgust at its distinctive smell is steadily
spelling The End
for the snack in some arthouse cinema chains, the Observer
reported.
It quoted Daniel Broch, the owner of the renowned Everyman cinema
in
London's upmarket Hampstead district, who recently bought 17 more
venues.
I will de-popcorn every new venue I acquire, he said. It has a
disproportionate influence on the space in terms of its
overwhelming smell,
the cultural idea of it and the operational problems created by
the mess it
produces.
I'm not saying no popcorn is better than popcorn, he
added. But I am
saying there is no way in which it fits with the culturally
sophisticated
brand I wish to sell.
The Picturehouse Cinema, a chain of 19 cinemas across Britain,
will
experiment with popcorn-free screenings in September.
Popcorn is a contentious issue. Lots of people absolutely hate
it and have
asked us to ban it, so we're going to do exactly that, the
group's head of
media, Gabriel Swartland, told the Observer.
If it's a success, and I've no reason to suspect it won't be,
we'll roll
it out across all our cinemas and make it a permanent fixture,
said
Swartland.
But other cinemas which tried to go popcorn-free found customers
demanded
it.
Audiences in three venues... began asking for popcorn, so we
provided it,
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While I did not think season one was crappy, I really can't refute much else of what you say except one important point. Heroes took massive losses when it came to viewership. So much so, they canceled all spin-off plans even though it had a time slot, the cast was hired, some scripts were written, the directors were directors. Kringe had been offered other opportunities to helm non-heroes related show, I have not heard anything about them in recent months. Advertisers who paid the high rates because of the success of the first season were not happy. Other advertisers thinking of buying time backed out. It also did not do well as a leadin show last season. Critics and fans who prasised it in season one, panned it. So I ask you what about that makes in now such a success that Kringe would not need to prove himself as not being a one hit, one season wonder? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that the storylines wrapped up too easily and that the finale was something out of a bad DC comic from the 70's...oh and lets throw in the fact that dudes brother had to fly him to the sky to save the people when Pete had flying powers bad oh and dont get seduced by a good trailer.it doesnt take much to attract fans of genre entertainment... Level 5 Cheerleader chick is bad...or something Villians take over... Listen closely fans.. Because Heroes is successful they have no reason to improve the showthus more of the same The best it can get will be like season one andthat was crappy... Oh I shant forget... Season 2...a Samurai white guy named Logan? Anyone with 2 cents knows that is wolverine. damn (i used the word shant...awesome..) On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand. I felt the same way after seeing season two, but that preview, is making me rethink, my condemnation. I did not love the ending to the first season, but it did not bother me as much as the second season. What upset you so about the finale? *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Omari Confer *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2008 11:59 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Former Heroes Fans Previous to the first season of Heroes, I had been waiting for a show like this all my lifeSeason One finale was a big downer... They have Lost me forever c w m On 8/16/08, *Tracey de Morsella* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like most people who were blown away by the first season of Heroes, I thought season two was just horrible. I just saw the fall preview video clip and I think the creator of the show wants to redeem his reputation and that he might just do it. Check it out and let me know what you think *http://tinyurl.com/5unx4o* -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com -- cwm blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://www.stringtheory.mypodcast.com
[scifinoir2] Re: Batman Animated Flick on Cartoon Network Now
They played this alot on HBO when I was in Mexico. I liked it --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never heard of this flick, but there's a movie called Batman: Mystery of Batwoman on Cartoon Network right now. Batman encounters Batwoman, the African-American daughter of a crime boss who I think is a vigilante herself. The movie was made in 2003, and features most of the original voice actors, including Kevin Conroy as Batman/Bruce Wayne. I note that Commissioner Gordon looks older and thinner, and Robin is Tim Drake, so the timeframe of this movie would take place during the second incarnation of the Batman animated series, when Dick Grayson is Nightwing. And Bane is one of the featured villains Funny, the ethnic diversity of this movie--Batwoman's race seems to open up the field for a lot of Back characters--makes for interesting dialogue. As Bruce Wayne escorts Batwoman (in her civilian guise) to a club, a Brother sees her sashaying by and says Umm. Can I get some fries with that shake?
[scifinoir2] Attachments Now Allowed for non-moderated members
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I'm glad I misunderstood and that you voted for who you wanted - no matter who that is. I did not perceive you as someone who could be pressured by others in your political decision making. I'm bias, but I do not think she gets a raw deal on ambition. I agree with you on the point that Obama is extremely ambitious. I think he is as ambitious as her, but is better at taking the long view of the repercussions of his actions. She sometimes thinks in the short term and plans to deal with the fall out later. I think she has made a number of moves that are perceived to place her ambitions above the future of the party, comrades in the senate, or would-be allies. I know Obama has done some things in the name of ambition that are not so positive, but they did not have far reaching repercussions--at least not yet. I realize most that like her just see moves as being the way you have to be to win. However, if that is the case then the definition of win is debatable. the follow are a few of the most recent steps she has taken to creat these cutthroat perceptions of her ambitions: When Dems win, it is often because Blacks put them over the top. Once the Clintons realized they had lost Blacks, they started a subtle southern strategy usually used by republicans. Republicans always say blacks are stupid for blindly following the dems. The reason most of us do is because of the white southern strategy of say and doing things coded to reach white men who are racist. When the Clintons did that they risked the party because if blacks had stayed home, it would have affected everybody down ticket. They reinforced this by saying over and over that Obama injected race into the election and that they did nothing. Many people still believe it. But it will help her win, so that is what is important. After dems finally won over the majority of Hispanics they Clinton using rhetoric that Hispanics do not like Blacks and will not support one in an elections. While it is true with many older Hispanics, most younger Hispanics have supported Blacks in the recent past. Again, this line was designed to get Hispanics aligned with her but endangered the whole party and down ticket elections if Obama won, because many Hispanics now hate republicans, but like Mc Cain. The dems like to be perceived as for all people and she screwed with their 40 year brand.But it will help her win, so that is what is important. As a woman, there have been numerous times when I perceive gender bias impacting the race, however, the Clintons have a contentious relationship with the media that has nothing to do with bias. Additionally, the media is sitting on a minimum of 10 scandals in which one or both of them are involved that they will only report on if the republicans introduce any of them. In one instance the only reason Hillary was not arrested is because of her stature as first lady. Yet they say the media is soft on Obama because of gender bias. Sometimes when the media reports facts or numbers they scream gender bias. As a result you has whole feminist organizations pitted against each other. As a result young and older women are warring with each other. When what is really at work is a Clinton blow back. Women make up over 55-60% of democratic voters. Again she risked part of the party splintering. But it will help her win, so that is what is important. using complaints about that bias as a tactic for winning does not make me warm and fuzzy as a feminist. Most women in power do not complain. She repeatedly called on democrats to vote on her gas tax proposal that they all thought was pandering. She in effect said, you are either with me or against me when she knew some were in the middle of raising their state gas tax to fix bridges. Had Obama not stood up to her and convinced most people it was a bad move, some of of her allies in the senate would have been severely damaged politically had she continue with the proposal. But it will help her win, so that is what is important. Ironically, it played into her reputation as a liar and I think it cost her many votes in Indiana and North Carolina.She sometimes is her own worst enemy. When Gore was running for office, she siphoned fundraising money for her senate campaign to the sum of a $140 million, even though her opponent was polling poorly and had a $million dollar budget. She did the same to Kerry for her re-election campaign. Regarding Michigan and Florida, so that she can claim the nomination she is backtracking on support of the rules, If she was not Hillary Clinton they would not even be paying attention. She has people fired up on those states who were not fired up before she decided not to support the rules once she discovered she was losing. This works against party interests because they struggle to stop states from holding primaries early, if they let Clinton get her way they think mayhem will ensue. But it will help her win, so that is
[scifinoir2] Re: OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
I agree. In addition to worry about his safety (I'm only half kidding). I think she and Bill wound work agressively to make him politically impotent. They would triangulate and contradict his efforts. I think both are used to being in charge and struggle to play nice politically and to working in the interests of all as evidenced by loss of democrats at the federal, state and local level; her reluctance to campaign for congressional dems, her reluctance to contribute to to the campaigns of congressionals dems, her ease in threatening those who do not do what she wants, her ease in taking credit for the work of others; intentionally undermining Kerry last year; siphoning fundraising money from congressional dems running for re-elections and well as doing the same to Kerry and Gore for her senate campaign. Her opponent had $4 million dollars and yet she needed $140 million to run against him. She is not a team player except for when she is leading the team --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, disparaging of Obama's lack of experience, full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy (I get hard-working, white voters) to the other dirty tricks show she'd work behind the scenes to undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that she'd be plotting against him all the time she's grinning in his face. She's in her 60's now, think she wants to wait *eight* years and try again? No way in hell. And trying to be a VP who then steps out and challenges your Prez in the next election, how damaging would that be? Has that ever been done, a VP challenging his sitting Prez for the nomination? Talk about a mess. I can't see Obama wanting to deal with that potential hazard. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story chicagotribune.com Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Tribune staff report May 18, 2008 The Democratic primary battle may not technically be over, but I'm ready to move on to the next phase of windy speculation and gratuitous strategery. So here are eight reasons Barack Obama should not offer Hillary Clinton the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket: 1. She's a familiar Washington insider and a major premise of his candidacy has been changing the ways of Washington. 2. She's pandered brazenly and attacked personally on the campaign trail, showing herself to be the embodiment of the old way of doing politics Obama has disparaged. 3. Her husband, the former president, has shown an inability to stay on message and keep his foot out of his mouth. 4. She's polarizing. Clinton's unfavorable ratings are from 7 to 16 points higher than Obama's in recent national polls. 5. She'll star in Republican attack ads against Obama: The I believe that I've met the qualifications to be commander-in-chief ad will show her saying, Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy. 6. She crossed the line when she repeated this thought several times to reporters in early March: I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002. 7. She's toting unpacked baggage. Obama's high-road approach has kept him from doing what Republican operatives are itching to do: Dig up the half-buried Clinton family scandals of the 1990s and turn over every rock from the last eight years looking for more. 8. Politically, a teammate is better than a counterweight. Bill Clinton himself demonstrated this when he picked another young moderate Democrat from the mid-South Al Gore of Tennessee and the two ran a vigorous, consistent campaign. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] NBC Unveils SF-Heavy Slate
NBC unveiled a 2008-'09 television schedule that's dominated by new and returning SF, fantasy and horror programming, including a series revival of Knight Rider and a new anthology series called Fear Itself, as well as the renewal of Medium, whose fate had been in question. The announcements came at the network's infront (the new nickname for upfronts) presentation to advertisers in New York on April 2. The shows and miniseries will be part of the network's ambitious 52-week program strategy and will premiere anytime between this May and summer 2009. The new series include Kings, Fear Itself and Knight Rider, all of which had been expected to make the schedule, as well as the surprise entries My Own Worst Enemy and The Listener. Waiting in the wings is Merlin. Also on the way is The Last Templar, a Da Vinci Code-esque miniseries. Returning shows include Chuck and Heroes, which had previously been announced and which will premiere in September, and Medium, which was reportedly on the bubble but will return next winter for a fifth season. Speaking of the NBC slate in his presentation, Ben Silverman, co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, said, There is a ton of noise out there. There is a cacophony of crap. Even the sports pages are filled with scandal. We need to break through and deliver eternal themes and heroic themes and entertaining themes and escapist themes. We're going to give you real heroes and superheroes, and we're going to engage you with our content in a dramatic, emotional way. Debuting on May 29: Fear Itself. The show, a horror anthology series from the makers of Masters of Horror, will feature such stars as John Billingsley and Shiri Appleby and showcase the talents of directors including Brad Anderson, Mary Harron, Ernest Dickerson, Ronny Yu, John Carpenter and Stuart Gordon. Shows on the fall 2008-'09 schedule: Chuck, airing Mondays at 8 p.m. ET/PT. Heroes, airing Mondays at 9 p.m. My Own Worst Enemy, airing Mondays at 10 p.m. Christian Slater makes his television series debut as Henry Spivey, an efficiency expert and married father of two who learns that he has an alter ego named Edward Albright, an operative who speaks numerous languages and can kill with his teeth. The network is touting it as Jekyll and Hyde meets Jason Bourne. Heroes veteran David Semel directed the pilot and will stay on as executive producer. Knight Rider, airing Wednesdays at 8 p.m. NBC scored a hit with a two-hour backdoor pilot movie that aired in February, and the series picks up where the movie left off. K.I.T.T., the supercar with a mind of its own, returns, as do stars Justin Bruening, Deanna Russo, Sydney Tamiia Poitier and Bruce Davison. Shows debuting in winter 2009: Merlin, airing Sundays at 8 p.m. A fantasy series set in Camelot but inspired by 21st-century storytelling, Merlin stars Colin Morgan (Doctor Who) as the title character and Bradley James as Arthur, and it explores the characters' lives before they became legends. Co-stars include Anthony Head (Buffy the Vampire Slayer), Richard Wilson and Angel Coulby. Kings, airing Sundays at 10. A modern-day spin on the King David tale, the show stars Christopher Egan as David and Ian McShane as the king. Michael Green (Heroes) penned the pilot and will executive-produce. I Am Legend helmer Francis Lawrence directed the pilot and will executive-produce the series as well. Series debuting in summer 2009: The Listener, airing Thursdays at 10 p.m. Toby Logan (Craig Olejinik of Thirteen Ghosts) is a 24-year-old paramedic and telepath who's always ignored his ability to hear people's thoughts ... until now. Having changed his mind, he uses his unique gift to help others. Miniseries debuting in 2009: The Last Templar. In this four-hour miniseries, four horsemen dressed as knights crash the New York Metropolitan Museum during the opening of an exhibition of Vatican treasures and swipe an arcane medieval decoder, thereby sending an archaeologist (Mira Sorvino) and an FBI agent (Scott Foley) on a wild chase for the secrets of the Knights Templar. Co-stars include Victor Garber and Omar Sharif. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=51590
[scifinoir2] Bionic Failure Informs Knight
Bionic Failure Informs Knight Ben Silverman, co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, said that the network took the lessons it learned the hard way from its failed reboot Bionic Woman and applied them to the upcoming remake of Knight Rider. Bionic Woman started off well, then sputtered out creatively and in the ratings, and it was not renewed for a second season. NBC conceded that the rush to get the show on air ultimately hurt it. Moving forward with Knight Rider after the success of a backdoor pilot that aired in February, the network elected to take its time with the weekly version, a sequel to the original 1980s series that starred David Hasselhoff. We saw it with [Fox's] Terminator [The Sarah Connor Chronicles], and we saw it with Bionic Woman: big openings, big branded titles, draw open the tent, and the show didn't deliver on that $10 million pilot, Silverman said in response to a SCI FI Wire question during the network's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York on April 2. What we're doing with Knight Rider is we consciously delivered it on air [in February] so that we had nine months to make sure that series is great. To wit, Silverman said, NBC recently tapped Gary Scott Thompson as the Knight Rider show runner. Thompson most recently was show runner on NBC's hit series Las Vegas, and he also knows from cars--having scripted The Fast and the Furious--and from SF, having penned the story for Hollow Man. We just brought on [Thompson] to be our partner on it creatively, Silverman said. We're hiring a staff. We're hiring the cast. We're honing the writing crew. And we're ensuring that the show lives up to the audience's expectation. The audience turned on and tuned in to the two-hour movie premiere. Now we need to make sure they come in week in and week out, and for that we've got to take a rigorous approahttp://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=51674ch.; Knight Rider will premiere in the fall. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling
[scifinoir2] Heroes Will Air In A Block
Heroes Will Air In A Block NBC's returning genre shows--Heroes, Chuck and Medium--will each air a full complement of original episodes next season, in contrast to this year's strike-truncated season, with Heroes and Chuck set to air without repeats through December. The announcements came at the network's presentation to advertisers in New York on April 2. We not only have the biggest star of TV, we have movie stars on NBC, Ben Silverman, co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, said during the presentation. The talent on NBC are the breakout talent and the cultural, relevant, leading icons of all of television. It's a hallmark of what we do, and as you'll see, ... all of your favorites are coming back. Heroes will return to the schedule on Sept. 15 with an hourlong clip show premiering at 8 p.m. ET/PT and a two-hour season premiere airing at 9 p.m., its regular timeslot. Chuck, meanwhile, will debut in the fall in its regular Monday 8 p.m. timeslot. Rounding out a night of genre fare, newcomer My Own Worst Enemy--starring Christian Slater as a man with a Mr. Hyde-like alter ego--will air at 10 p.m. Medium was one of several surprise renewals. It, along with Lipstick Jungle and Friday Night Lights, was considered on the bubble, as likely to be axed as to return. The Patricia Arquette series, about a psychic family woman who helps solve crimes, will return to the schedule in either late 2008 or early 2009 in a new timeslot. Medium is on Sunday nights at 9 right now, following [newcomer] Merlin into [the previously announced new series ] Kings, Silverman said. I don't know the exact day we premiere all of that. I think it's February 23, but I'm not sure. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=51670
[scifinoir2] Heroes Returns; Origins Dies
Heroes Returns; Origins Dies Heroes will return to NBC on Sept. 15 with an expanded third-season opener, but network executives confirmed that the proposed prequel spinoff, Heroes: Origins, is officially dead. We consciously chose to rest [Heroes] this spring so that [creator] Tim Kring and his team could get ahead of the creative and build up to a massive event--a three-hour Heroes night, Ben Silverman, co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, said during the network's upfront presentation to advertisers in New York on April 2. On Monday, Sept. 15, we'll kick off with a Heroes clip show to try to bring back the audience and [then air] a massive two-hour Heroes film. Silverman also explained why the heavily hyped, much-anticipated Heroes: Origins was scrapped. The show was originally conceived to help eliminate Heroes repeats, and directors and writers--including feature-film vets Kevin Smith, Eli Roth and Michael Dougherty--were already lined up before NBC dropped the idea. We were taxing our creative team to do too much around that, Silverman said. We wanted 35 Heroes [episodes] and 12 Heroes: Origins, each of which was supposed to be a mini-movie and backdoor pilot. We reached far and challenged our people, and we decided it was better to focus on keeping the Heroes mothership as strong as possible. Heroes will air Mondays at 9 p.m. ET/PT. (NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) --Ian Spelling http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=51591type=0
[scifinoir2] 'Battlestar Galactica' Plan Subject To Change
By MICHAEL HINMAN Source: SyFy Portal Apr-02-2008 Before every episode, watchers of Battlestar Galactica are told the Cylons have a plan, a plan which has been sliced up and given to its audience in small doses. While the Cylons are planning, the writers behind Battlestar Galactica are sometimes playing it by ear, allowing the natural flow of storytelling to help lay out the path that will bring the show to its highly anticipated series finale. The truth is, nothing's nailed down until the final episode is written, shot and edited, David Weddle, supervising producer of Battlestar Galactica and one of the writers of Friday's Season 4 premiere told SyFy Portal's Michael Hinman. Everything is always in flux and anything could still happen. That's what makes it such an exciting show to write and to watch. That doesn't mean there won't be continuity, because the writing team that includes Weddle and partner in crime Bradley Thompson have been utilizing the technique of retroactive continuity, or as fans like to call it, the retcon. Finding a retcon isn't easy because viewers typically don't know what was planned out ahead of time, and what was simply picked up from previous episodes to run with. Many fans had questioned whether or not the mysterious painting found on the wall of Starbuck's apartment in the second season episode of Valley of Darkness that was featured in later episodes was part of the plan all along, or a retcon. Fans now have their answer. The mandala that Kara painted since she was a child and that later showed up in the clouds to lure her to her 'death' was something Brad and I went back and discovered when we were writing 'Rapture,' Weddle said. Executive Producer Ronald D. Moore wanter her to see something on the Temple of Five on the algae planet that would relate to a larger destiny, something that no one else would recognize. We went back and screened the scenes from 'Valley of Darkness' and noticed the mandala that she had painted on her apartment wall. That gave us the idea to put it on the temple and to build it into her backstory in 'Maelstrom.' None of the story surrounding the mandala was planned out ahead of time, Weddle said. In spite of that, they were able to develop a strong story, and find ways to link different aspects of the series together, and the same will happen with Maelstrom, and how that will affect Starbuck's final journey in the fourth season. 'Maelstrom' is permeated with clues that will have unexpected payoffs in future episodes, as are all of the other episodes, Weddle said. Sometimes even the writers don't know which details will turn out to be critical clues because of the organic way in which the show is written. This is because we build on what we've already written, rather than map out every little detail ahead of time. The genesis of the Maelstrom actually came from executive producer David Eick, who had pitched an idea about Apollo and Starbuck having to fight a Viper dogfight in the dark, and at the bleakest moment when they both thought they were going to die, they learned something about each other that changed their relationship. When the room went to break the show, we began to wonder whether that was really the story we wanted to tell, Thompson said. David Weddle remembered something Katee [Sackhoff] had said she wanted to do -- pay off the clues about the relationship she had with her mother. So with that as a starting point, the room went back at the story to go to the dogfight and Kara going down. But it wouldn't end there. That's when Moore offered an idea that would eventually get fandom up in arms, and created one of the more memorable moments of Season 3. I believe it was Ron who said, 'The whole audience is sure Lee will pull her out at the last minute. We should kill her,' Thompson said. Thus it was spoken, thus it became. And once it was, we pondered the wondrous door that had opened. And a man appeared on a flaming pie and said, 'Henceforth, you are Battlestar with an A.' The overall story may have moved to a stronger focus on Starbuck, but just as she states in the series, her fate has already been laid out by the writers and producers. Ron Moore had some very strong ideas about Starbuck and the ultimate role she would play in the broad canvas of the series, and that figured very strongly in the writing of 'Maelstrom,' Weddle said. But the specifics of Starbuck's journey and how it would play out in Season 4 were not nailed down until we had our writer's retreat in Lake Tahoe to map out Season 4. And there are still many details that have not been fleshed out. As Battlestar Galactica prepares its spot in the annals of television history, a lot of question has surfaced on how the show will be remembered. Will it be known as the show that carried only the name of a 1970s show? Will it be considered the innovator on a new way to approach science-fiction? Or will it simply be a television show? Both Weddle and Thompson
[scifinoir2] Series Creators Depart 'Smallville'
By ALAN STANLEY BLAIR Source: TV Guide Apr-03-2008 They developed the Superman mythology for television, but now Smallville creators have gone up, up and away, leaving the series far behind. In a mildly shocking announcement, Al Gough and Miles Millar have confirmed that they will depart Smallville after the conclusion of the current seventh season, despite The CW picking the series up for yet another year. No real reason for their exit has been announced, however in their love letter to fans the dynamic duo have said only that it is time for them to move on and also thanked the entire cast and crew for their efforts over the years, as well as the viewers who helped turn the series into such a success. Over the last seven years we have had the honor of working with a remarkable team of people here in Los Angeles and in Vancouver, the two said in an open letter to the fans. We have been blessed with a wonderful cast who we have watched mature with admiration and affection. We have been rewarded with a fan base that is as loyal as it is vocal. Both Gough and Millar said they were proud of the work they did on Smallville, and that they accomplished everything they set out to do on the show without ever compromising their vision. We leave knowing that 'Smallivlle' is the longest-running comic book-based series of all time, they said. The show was featured on the covers of Rolling Stone, Mad Magazine, TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly. The pilot had the highest-rated premiere in the history of The WB. Gough and Millar haven't cleared out of their offices just yet, but The CW has already been looking for replacements for the two, deciding on elevating Darren Swimmer, Todd Slavkin, Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson to leadership roles on the show. Al Gough and Miles Millar have been great partners and instrumental in the development and success of 'Smallville,' a CW representative said. Swimmer and company have been writing for the show for the past six seasons, and as producers for the last four years. They have played an integral role in the ongoing creative evolution of the series. As showrunners, they will continue to deliver the compelling storyline that 'Smallville' fans have come to expect and love. Gough and Miller aren't the only ones departing the series in the eighth season as show stars Michael Rosenbaum and Kristen Kruek (who play Lex Luthor and Lana Lang) have also confirmed that they will not be back full time next year. Reports also suggest that at least one other character will be permanently leaving the show. Throughout its seven-year run, Smallville has not only tackled the many facets of the Superman mythos, but also that of several other popular comic book characters. Among their ranks are The Flash/Impulse, Cyborg, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Black Canary and more recently Supergirl. The series has developed a strong online following and has featured various guest stars from other Superman projects including Dean Caine, Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeve. Smallville airs Thursdays at 9 p.m. ET on The CW. http://www.syfyportal.com/news424892.html
[scifinoir2] Let's all become friends on Netflix
Earlier today, Bosco put us onto Netflix friends. You can be come my Netflix friend by clicking on the following link: http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/PBZceQv3iPVDEm3v4oWm Netflix Friends allows you to share movie ideas and notes with your friends. First you invite friends to connect with you and when they accept, they are part of your Friends list. With Netflix friends, you can see what each of your friends think about specific movies, suggest movies them and add comments next to films that will help your friends choose movies or avoid those you didn't enjoy. So lets see if those of us who get films from Netflix, can all come together via Netflix to make recommendations to eachother, share reviews, and who knows what. You can be come my Netflix friend by clicking on the following link: http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/PBZceQv3iPVDEm3v4oWm
[scifinoir2] Bad Movies Conferssion Time Re: Jumper - SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!
So gang. It seems like it is a given that some us go to or rent movies we pretty much knoware going to be bad. So lets make it a confession time and open up about other bad flicks we saw knowing they were going to to be bad. I have to think on it, but most recently, I saw Wild Hogs. Don't kick me off the list, but I thought the first half was hilarious. I watched a really bad one star movie, Cyber Wars also known as Avatar or Matrix Hunter. It starred Joseph Lau, David Warner (Jack the Ripper, Hog Father), and Joan Chen (twin Peaks) The Plot: In the near future in the Asian city-state Sintawan, everyone's identity is recorded in the vast CyberLink. The only way around this is using illegal simulated identity implants (sims). A young bounty hunter who makes her living tracking sims, finds herself the unlikely ally of a police detective who suspects the CyberLink is being perverted for an insidious and deadly purpose Okay, your turn tracey --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give 'em time, Tracey. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw it. It definitely was not theater worthy, but I think it would be a great TV show. I love the teleportation concept and some of the mythology and laws were good too. Unfortunately, it came across like a pilot movie for a scifi tv show. To mad it is not a tv series ravenadal wrote: To me, teleportation has always been the coolest of all superpowers. Couple it with a proximity sense, keen hearing (so you can hear when a shot is fired and teleport an instant before it gets there), or just plain common sense and you have one heck of a skill set! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, DJ VIBE nehesi@ wrote: On Feb 15, 2008 6:31 PM, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: There is a scene in the new Jumper movie (no, I have not seen it) SPOILER ALERT!! where the hero is watching the aftermath of the Hurricane Karina on his television. He gets dressed and teleports...to London, where he has a date. So much for great responsibility coming with great power! It was right in keeping with how his character was established in the movie, although for a moment there I thought he might think of using his abilities for good. Overall, I found the movie pretty good, with one exception. How the hell did the Paladins continually catch jumpers? Its one thing if you get the drop on one, but if you're standing in FRONT of one who is fresh and the jumper sees you and you try to get him with your stun-wand, how are you gonna get him? In less than three minutes, my wife and I came up with several ways to use a teleportation power offesinvely (i.e. teleport in a circle around your opponent a la Nightcrawer. et. al) and in all of those cases we came up with, no normal human would have a chance against a jumper. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Bad Movies Confession Time Re: Jumper - SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!
guys sorry. I'm not illiterate. I just play one on the list. I will try not to post so rushed in the future -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So gang. It seems like it is a given that some us go to or rent movies we pretty much knoware going to be bad. So lets make it a confession time and open up about other bad flicks we saw knowing they were going to to be bad. I have to think on it, but most recently, I saw Wild Hogs. Don't kick me off the list, but I thought the first half was hilarious. I watched a really bad one star movie, Cyber Wars also known as Avatar or Matrix Hunter. It starred Joseph Lau, David Warner (Jack the Ripper, Hog Father), and Joan Chen (twin Peaks) The Plot: In the near future in the Asian city-state Sintawan, everyone's identity is recorded in the vast CyberLink. The only way around this is using illegal simulated identity implants (sims). A young bounty hunter who makes her living tracking sims, finds herself the unlikely ally of a police detective who suspects the CyberLink is being perverted for an insidious and deadly purpose Okay, your turn tracey --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin truthseeker_013@ wrote: Give 'em time, Tracey. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: I saw it. It definitely was not theater worthy, but I think it would be a great TV show. I love the teleportation concept and some of the mythology and laws were good too. Unfortunately, it came across like a pilot movie for a scifi tv show. To mad it is not a tv series ravenadal wrote: To me, teleportation has always been the coolest of all superpowers. Couple it with a proximity sense, keen hearing (so you can hear when a shot is fired and teleport an instant before it gets there), or just plain common sense and you have one heck of a skill set! ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, DJ VIBE nehesi@ wrote: On Feb 15, 2008 6:31 PM, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: There is a scene in the new Jumper movie (no, I have not seen it) SPOILER ALERT!! where the hero is watching the aftermath of the Hurricane Karina on his television. He gets dressed and teleports...to London, where he has a date. So much for great responsibility coming with great power! It was right in keeping with how his character was established in the movie, although for a moment there I thought he might think of using his abilities for good. Overall, I found the movie pretty good, with one exception. How the hell did the Paladins continually catch jumpers? Its one thing if you get the drop on one, but if you're standing in FRONT of one who is fresh and the jumper sees you and you try to get him with your stun-wand, how are you gonna get him? In less than three minutes, my wife and I came up with several ways to use a teleportation power offesinvely (i.e. teleport in a circle around your opponent a la Nightcrawer. et. al) and in all of those cases we came up with, no normal human would have a chance against a jumper. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darryl: You said to Gymfig, It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something you read, for all we know, on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers, sisters...this ain¹t rehab, this is one of the most together groups of people you will (apparently) ever come across online. Please respect that. We don¹t deserve to be shouted at like we¹re this rebel band of liberal hippies. We¹re not. And this isn¹t the first time you¹ve done it.We¹re all adults. Why can¹t you just disagree with someone and keep it moving? Your mistake is that you are expecting civil, intellectual discourse that involves a sharing ideas and opinions and backing them up with cold hard facts. That is not what you will get in a continued discourse here. This is not about difference of opinion, but about distorting the facts, name calling, hating of men - specifically Black men, Saying the all of us have a particular behavior lumping some behaviors distorting what you say, misunderstanding what you say, intentionally not addressing salient points, or simply cutting them out of the reply message to further confuse the issue. The point is to anger and wound you with these distortions, not share differing opinions. The style of communicating reminds me of a style of a pundit called Bill Kristol, a famous neocon who works for the Weekly Standard. He says things like ~90 percent of the people on the Nobel Committee are into child pornography and molestation. ~Of all of the dictators in the past, you know the one Al Gore strikes me as [being] closest [to] is Mussolini., ~Notice what this double-talking slut just did, this mind-slut Barbara Walters. And I stick by those words. She's an empty mind-slut.. ~ Madeline Albright is a traitor. In my opinion, she should be tried for treason, and when she's found guilty, she should be hung. ; ~Liberalism is, in essence, the HIV virus, and it weakens the defense cells of a nation. Its not that he is right wing. Like Gymfig, its that his method of discourse is to incite, insult, distort and enrage. Pat Robertson and Joe Scarborough are right wingers who I can watch (even if I might not like them) They back up their statements with facts and don't seek to insult people in their discussions and debates and can concede when their facts are incorrect. That won't happen here in this or any other conversation as far as I can see. This style of non -communication goes back years and seems to have been developed into a full-blown art-form. I've noticed that Gymfig does this with all her discussions. We do not usually pay as much attention to it because she usually just puts down and distorts the facts about entertainers. I'm responding now, because she is doing so about us and our people. I will probably posting this, but I do not know when I've encountered someone say so many ugly sweeping generalizations about me and my people without backing it up with one fact that was not distorted or who worked so hard to distort what I have posted. So here it is. This is Black on Black crime and I abhor it. I guess I have drawn the line in the sand. I did not want to, but the Savage syndrome is likely to continue, so I guess I thought I would let people know what type of non-conversation they are becoming involved with and let them decide if they want to waste their time. Besides I'm sick of the ridiculing insults. Darryl, I applaud you for shutting the sick abusive game down. With so many of our liberties being taken away from us, I loath to stop someone from posting their opinion. I think different opinions have been one of the best things about the list. As a daughter of a former Black Union leader who ran two union newsletter I place a high value on freedom of speech (thats right a Black Union Leader-wow!) So preventing someone from posting is something I have extremely reluctant to do. Taking a deep depressed exhausted sigh.. Tracey It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something you read, for all we know, on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers, sisters...this ain¹t rehab,
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
I do too. I hate that his message has been drowned out by the media. I also wonder why I find him more believable that Hilary and Obama. I used to here great things about Obama inchicago. I wonder how he lost his soul so fast. I guess it was necessary. Too bad, That man cn give a speech --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Edwards' focus on helping the poor and those with insurance -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, not by a longshot. Class warfare, IMO, is exactly what's going on. A couple of years ago, I had to go to Grady to get my scrips rewritten. (For the record, Grady is the biggest hospital here in Atlanta, and doing anything in there is an all-day proposition). As I'm waiting, sitting next to a man who's coughing up a lung, his wife at the point of shattering because they'd been there since five that morn (it was almost four in the afternoon at this time) and the docs *still* didn't know what was wrong with him, and hadn't even bothered to consider the need to admit him), a story popped up on Headline News, that then-Governor Pataki (NY) had been hospitalized for a ruptured appendix. According to the report, he felt ill at five that morn, his driver took him to the hospital at six, and he was in surgery at seven. It was a nice laugh-and-cry session. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so you think Edwards went too far in his righteous anger? -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO, Edawrds could'v epulled in that younger ticket as easily as Obama did, had he not opted to take the hyper-reformist tack that he did. Many on both sides of the aisle are veiwing it as something akin to class warfare, and Republicans are uniting against him for that reason. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed. It points out a few things. One, that every generation there's a man or woman who can reach those still young and idealistic enough to believe that a true change is a-comin: the Kennedy's, Bill Clinton, now Obama. Two, the only problem is that sometimes the young and idealistic don't stay all the way to the end, and the old cynical fogeys turn out in greater numbers. Not always, but often. Three, Clinton has really been staying put, as you said, not really standing *for* anything, just saying I have more experience and I'm tougher. Static message heard too many times. Finally, i believe that *any* frontrunner would have seen a decline in the numbers because this went on too freakin' long. had Obama started out as the clear frontrunner and gotten all the focus, all the attention, all the attacks, I believe that after a campaign this long, people would have started picking at him, too. I know enough folks right now who aren't enamored of him. If he'd been in front all along this might have been a three-way day, or Edwards might have pulled ahead simply by dint of seeming to be newer and fresher. -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had a look at some of the voter breakdowns, and it seems that Obama won through youth more than gender. He's energized the kids out there. Hillary standing pat hurt her in the voters' eyes, IMO. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:48:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or a Black man. the only thing i'm sure of is you won't see them on the same ticket! no way America'd elect a woman and a Brother in the same year! So they go with the man because they really dobn't want to see a woma? **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Hey Veronica: Glad to see your post. :) Do not quell your cynicism. In my opinion it protects you. Racisim is alive and well (even thriving, cultivated and growing) here in America The facts are not in. Someone on the suggested that Republicans voted for Obama in higher numbers than Huckabee as part of an effort to know out Edwards and Hilary who some may perceive to be more electable. While I have not seen numbers to back that up yet, I would not be surprised if it were true. Its been done before. If is true, then this is simply business as usually. I know you are really busy these days, but don't be a stranger to the board :) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, vhenry_89147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tracey, I also had feeling about how impossible it was for Obama to win a nomination, let alone the presidency of the United States. Perhaps his win in Iowa is an indication that my cynicism over race relations in America can someday be quelled. Let's hope. In any event, guess we'll see what happens in New Hampshire. It still burns me up that some people continue to group the behavior of Black people in one all encompassing bucket. If I fit into that bucket, I wouldn't love science fiction the way I do, reading or writing it. For that matter, I wouldn't practice Yoga or have studied computer science either, right? Veronica --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Me, like a lot of Blacks who have experienced racism, could not see White America voting for Obama -- a Black guy. We'd seen some real racist stuff come out of even the nicest people. Surely these people could not vote for someone that has a member of a race that they harbored such ugly thoughts and feelings about. . Then tonite happened. Obama won big in a state with only 2% Blacks. After a great deal of thought, I think I figured out how he won and why it is possible for him to win. There are two factors involved: 1. Most people - even the nicest people have unconscious biases against people who are different from them. This often comes in the form of racism when it comes to Black/White relations. Most of the time, they are not even aware of them, nor do they cultivate these feeling, and when confronted with some act that shows that the person obviously has that bias, he or she will adamantly deny it, because he or she does not see him or herself that way.So if you do not consciously see your self as someone who dislikes Blacks, then why would you not vote for him if you thought he was the best candidate. Think out it, theoretically those people you talk to that do not believe that racism is so prevalent and that when you experience a racist act, you are being hypersensitive or pulling the race card, are potential Obama voters. i personally know one or too who seem to like Obama 2. When I was growing up and even as a young adult, I would meet people who really liked and seem to accept me who said to me, You do not act like a Black person Or they would say some horrible thing about Blacks to me. When I would ask them then what are you doing with me. I would here something like, well you are not like them. this stuff used to burn me up. I can't tell you how many people I kicked to the curb over this stuff. Now I think most Whites who feel this way, know better then to express these thought out loud. (Biden being the exception ) Remember how complimentary Biden was about Obama being articulate? I suspect that Obama has probably had many encounters like the two I described above. He is able to blend in and be accepted by people from a variety of backgrounds. For that reason, I think people who might not be overt racists - who do not see themselves as racist, might not have a problem voting for him. So its off to New Hampshire and believe or now, the polls show that he is poised to beat Hilary. KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Wow, i thought Edwards would take first place by a percentage point over Obama, with Hillary in third. I had Huckabee, Romney, and McCain as 1-2-3, respectively. Looks like Obama pulled off a major upset. Huckabee might have some real legs, given that he's a real fundamentalist Christian in some ways, but supportive of environmental issues, not averse to taxing for the poor, and pretty well respected by many Blacks--at least in Arkansas. I never could get with Romney, not because he's a Mormon, but because his positions have flip-flopped more than anyone in the last few years. Talk about an opportunistic chamelon. Now, how does Hillary proceed, given that liberal/independent New Hampshire might go for Obama and Edwards again, and ditto for South Carolina and the southern states? Indeed, let this momentum keep building and we could be looking at an Obama/Edwards ticket, which just
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Gymfig Most biracial people with African blood are seen as Black - particularly those who look Black, say they are Black and are considered prominent members of the Black community. Obama and his family are seen as Black. The talking heads in the media often refer to him as Black. The conservatives portray him as a Black with muslim leanings. Hilary comes from a connected family, she is worth millions, has a history, ironically of top ties with the republican party starting with Barry Goldwater, and for the last 20 years or so, she has been apart of the elite of the democratic party. The woman is on the board of Walmart. She is considered American Aristocracy. She is a chairs and serves on several powerful committees in the Senate and I do not thing she exactly fit the profile of a woman excluded from the boardroom I have spent the past 15 years working with, reporting and training people on issues of race in the workplace and I have to tell you the male/female thing is not as black and white when it comes to Black men - even biracial men. While women consistent get paid less than men, Black men get paid less than White men. a Black man with a traditional name is less likely to even get a job interview than a white female. Black men (even biracial men) have higher incidents of discrimination in the workplace than White women. There are other factors at work that you either overlooked or were not aware of.While a Black male who has climbed the corporate ladder playing the game is more likely to fit in the board room than a White woman, a Black woman is more likely to get a job than a Black man. Black men are more likely to get laid off than White women as well. Many educators start feeling threatened by Black males - even biracial Black males that look Black starting at age eight. This continues into adulthood. These are not my assumptions, but facts that have been proved time and again with data. Black men (Black looking biracial men included)in New York and many American cities still can not get a cab and people will cross the street when they see one coming. Black men (Black looking biracial men included)are also still experiencing racial profiling on the road. Despite a history of supporting women in elections, more women voted for Obama and Edwards than Hilary. More young people prefer them, and more union people prefer them. Most people want the war to end and she not only refuses to admit that her war decisions were wrong, she is very hawkish on Iran and Iraq. Since her healthcare initiative of the early nineties, She has been a polarizing force in the democratic party - despite her many right wing stances of late. In polling, very few independents or republicans have indicated that they would vote for her. Last night, she got very few votes from independents, while Obama received 20% votes from independents and I think Edwards got more than 10% independent votes. Because of her marriage to bill and her current power in the senate, there is also the perception that she is part of the status quo during a time when Americans of both parties have indicated that they want significant change. No status quo person of either party or any gender did well last night. I stopped liking Hilary a few years ago when she decided to become a baby Republican with her voting. I understood why, but those decisions made it impossible to support her. Knowing her Republican roots, I was terrified of the prospect of her winning. So, while I wanted Edwards to win, I was OK with Obama's win. If you are a Hilary supporter, you can not be happy with the outcome of yesterday's primary. While it may be comforting to tell yourself that she lost because she is a woman, in my view that is a simplistic notion that flies in the face of a lot of other significant factors - and does not necessarily erasing the existence of these other factors. A black man won over a white woman in Mass. A black man will still get a job over a competent white woman or black woman. I think that with the win of a black man it will be harder for blacks especially black men to play the victim. The old boys club does admit black men these days. It is still harder for a woman white or black to get ahead. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Gymfig I have not seen all of these polls you refer to. In fact I have seen the media try to downplay his race or redefine it in less threatening terms. However, most general polls on race indicate that Whites see biracial people who look Black as Black. - That is not to say that they do not acknowledge that they are biracial. I was not aware that conservatives liked him as you suggested. Many have tried to portray him as someone with Muslim extremists roots and drug taking. That is an odd way of showing that you like someone in my opinion. While I have seen the talking heads say last night that him being third world can help us become of the world, I've never heard anyone say they like him because he is biracial. Even if someone thought that, I do not think they would say it, because it might be perceived as racist. OK, so maybe Bill O'Reilly would - Did he? I think most commentators are more saavy than that I never said he was a share cropper, but as far as I understand, he did not come from a privileged background, have lots of money ot connections as Hilary did. Most Blacks and many biracials from middle class backgrounds are still excluded from the benefits Hilary had. in fact many Whites from similar backgrounds are excluded from As I told you, Obama is not my first choice. I did not want him in office either. Like most politicians, I think he is a sell out. However, I wanted Hilary even less because she has been voting on many important issues like a right wing conservative. She wants to go into Iran, she wants it to be illegal to burn the flag, she is ok with invasion of privacy, the list goes on. I think Obama id a player and in the pockets of those in power. I think he is the lesser of two evils. However, that is not relevant to the issues that you raised. Which was that Hilary lost because she is a woman. That biracial black men who look Black do not face the issues that other Black men face. That Black men have it easier than White women. That Hilary is not already part of the power elite. Those are issues YOU raised. Whether I like Obama or not relevant to those issues. Truth be told, I'm not a big fan. I think he is all smoke and mirrors. The Perfect politico You say, Black men are still men. They are still part of the network. I would say the Black men on this list and across the country would disagree with you. There is tons of data that refutes your claim. Maybe this is more about the candidate you like loosing than the issues you raised. I can understand that. Having a woman in office would be a major milestone - Whoever it is. However belittling the milestone of Obama's achievement or minimizing and negating the existence of the many overwhelming odds Black and biracial men face in our country seems an odd way to cope with Hilary's setback of loosing one primary. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 1:12:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tracy Poll after poll; discussion after discussion sees Obama as a biracial man. Halle may be the first black actress but she is also seen as biracial. Tiger woods may be seen blacks by some people but he is still seen as multiethnic also. Conservatives like him because of his biracial background. Not his black background. Black men get paid less than White men. a Black man with a traditional name is less likely to even get a job interview than a white female Obama did not start from humble beginnings either. He is not the my father was a sharecropper black as many blacks who have achieved many things like to suggest. When people actually start asking what does Obama stand for. they cannot answer. I don't know who I will vote for, but I do not that this woe is the black man stuff will have to end with the election of a black man. That why I don't understand why people still think that America is still a racist society. I don't think that black america can really stomach and end to their problems. I am sure that white America cannot wait for the end of the Jena 6 soul patrol. Black men are still men. They are still part of the network. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
I think you missed part of my overly long post :) I said, While a Black male who has climbed the corporate ladder playing the game is more likely to fit in the board room than a White woman, a Black woman is more likely to get a job than a Black man. I was comparing Black men to white women (not black women) and saying they do better once they are up the top. I was thinking of some of the people you were. They all learned how to work the system and ultimately became a part of the network. However recent surveys of boards have revealed that they are still the exception - not the rule. Once they get up in the upper echelon, Black men are more readily excepted than White women. While i is bad for white women in the board room, the situation is abysmal for Black women in the boardroom. However, statistically, Black women get in the door easier at entry-level and lower-management positions than Black men. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with most of what you say below, but my twenty plus years looking up through the glass ceiling at corporate america, I have seen many more black men than black women ascend to the top corporate spot. With Stan O'Neal ousted at Merril Lynch and Richard D. Parsons about to retire at Time Warner, Kenneth Chenault remains at American Express, Ronald Williams at Aetna, Clarence Otis Jr. at Darden Restaurants, Aylwin Lewis at sears and John W. Thompson at Symantac. I don't believe there is a similar list of African-American women. The top eschelon of corporate America remains an old boy club. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella tdlists@ wrote: Gymfig Most biracial people with African blood are seen as Black - particularly those who look Black, say they are Black and are considered prominent members of the Black community. Obama and his family are seen as Black. The talking heads in the media often refer to him as Black. The conservatives portray him as a Black with muslim leanings. Hilary comes from a connected family, she is worth millions, has a history, ironically of top ties with the republican party starting with Barry Goldwater, and for the last 20 years or so, she has been apart of the elite of the democratic party. The woman is on the board of Walmart. She is considered American Aristocracy. She is a chairs and serves on several powerful committees in the Senate and I do not thing she exactly fit the profile of a woman excluded from the boardroom I have spent the past 15 years working with, reporting and training people on issues of race in the workplace and I have to tell you the male/female thing is not as black and white when it comes to Black men - even biracial men. While women consistent get paid less than men, Black men get paid less than White men. a Black man with a traditional name is less likely to even get a job interview than a white female. Black men (even biracial men) have higher incidents of discrimination in the workplace than White women. There are other factors at work that you either overlooked or were not aware of.While a Black male who has climbed the corporate ladder playing the game is more likely to fit in the board room than a White woman, a Black woman is more likely to get a job than a Black man. Black men are more likely to get laid off than White women as well. Many educators start feeling threatened by Black males - even biracial Black males that look Black starting at age eight. This continues into adulthood. These are not my assumptions, but facts that have been proved time and again with data. Black men (Black looking biracial men included)in New York and many American cities still can not get a cab and people will cross the street when they see one coming. Black men (Black looking biracial men included)are also still experiencing racial profiling on the road. Despite a history of supporting women in elections, more women voted for Obama and Edwards than Hilary. More young people prefer them, and more union people prefer them. Most people want the war to end and she not only refuses to admit that her war decisions were wrong, she is very hawkish on Iran and Iraq. Since her healthcare initiative of the early nineties, She has been a polarizing force in the democratic party - despite her many right wing stances of late. In polling, very few independents or republicans have indicated that they would vote for her. Last night, she got very few votes from independents, while Obama received 20% votes from independents and I think Edwards got more than 10% independent votes. Because of her marriage to bill and her current power in the senate, there is also the perception that she is part of the status quo during a time when Americans of both parties have indicated that they want significant change. No status quo
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
There are more than 18 African American CEOs currently leading corporate America (Fortune 500 companies). It is a significant acheivement, that would be foolhardy to overlook. However, it concerns me that this achievement may allow people to be deceived in the belief that because of these acheivements, that Black men have overcome and are part of the network. Those Black men are part of the network. If you read their bios you will see reoccurring themes and come to understand how exceptional they are and that they faced many overwhelming obstacles to get their. Very few, if any had the key to the executive suite handed to them. The profiles I rad indicated that they learned how to use the system to get what they want, take a lot of crap and literally wrench the key away to get access to the executive suite. While it does not surprise me that a lot of whites look at these guys and say Black men are part of the network, it horrifies me that African Americans who interact in the Black community could believe this myth. This is not just my opinion. There is tons of redundant data that supports what I'm saying. But hell, if Black men are part of the network then somebody please tell me why the black community seems to be disintegrating. I know I'm fired up, but I have spent the past decade, studying this, reporting on this, creating a section of my website on this, host events on this, talked to people who managed the studies/surveys, speaking on this at workshops and conferences, been interviewed on this, and have interviewed a few of the people discussed on this, so it is a subject close to me heart and my livelihood. Some resources you may want to check out: Cracking the Corporate Code: The Revealing Success Stories of 32 African-American Executives by Price M. Cobbs Breaking Through: The Making of Minority Executives in Corporate America by David A. Thomas Black Enterprise Titans of The B.E. 100s: Black CEOs Who Redefined and Conquered American Business (Black Enterprise Books) Leading in Black and White: Working Across the Racial Divide in Corporate America (J-B CCL (Center for Creative Leadership)) by Ancella B. Liver Take a Lesson: Today's Black Achievers on How They Made It and What They Learned Along the Way by Caroline V. Clarke --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 1:35:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stan O'Neal ousted at Merril Lynch and Richard D. Parsons about to retire at Time Warner, Kenneth Chenault remains at American Express, Ronald Williams at Aetna, Clarence Otis Jr. at Darden Restaurants, Aylwin Lewis at sears and John W. Thompson at Symantac. I don't believe there is a similar list of African-American women. The top eschelon of corporate America remains an old boy club. ~rave! I could not remember their names. I just did not want to say the Merril Lynch guy. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
While I agree that what is said in an Internet discussion is different than TV, I disagree that newspapers differ from the traditional media that I was referring to. With the Internet there is no holding back. I still say I have not seen the many polls on his biracial heritage that you refer to. I do not think I indicated Black men are always down trodden. In fact most of the Black men I know personally are not. However, statistically - as a group they are. There is a significant difference. While there are cases where Black men have it better than White Women, there are many case where the opposite is true. I'm getting the impression that you do not believe that and problably see all the data that supports that as flawed so on that issue I have been wasting my time. I think that in addition to White conservatives, that many Blacks have problems with Jesse Jackson, so I'm not even arguing for that cause As I said to you before. I'm not a big Obama fan, but a professional who works with issues that you addressed. I came to the conversation seeking to point out some facts about Blacks, biracials, and women in power that I did not think you knew. This was not about my preference of Obama or Hilary. To be honest - I prefer Gore or Edwards. Thats not going to happen. However the more we exchange emails, the more I believe that for you this conversation has been more about your dislike of Obama - which I understand --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:56:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was not aware that conservatives liked him as you suggested. Many have tried to portray him as someone with Muslim extremists roots and drug taking. That is an odd way of showing that you like someone in my opinion. While I have seen the talking heads say last night that him being third world can help us become of the world, I've never heard anyone say they like him because he is biracial. Even if someone thought that, I do not think they would say it, because it might be perceived as racist. Tracy What is said in newspaper articles and internet discussions is difference what is heard on tv. From some of the more conservative points of view,an Obama win would be an end to the Jesse Jackson type of black american. An end to affirmative action and to blacks complaing about racism aka the Jena 6 kind of marches. In some cases Black men have it easier than White women. I don't believe that black men are always downtrodden when they step outside the door until they get home. Alot of thlem do have it easier than white women because they are men. Despite the idea that affirmative action has benefitted white females. Black males have benefitted from being men. Someties race is not an issue. You are right that some people don't like Clinto because she is Clinton. However I don't like the liberal hype that Obama will be any different than any other person. If the liberal Demoract Congress is any indication that it will be SSDD. If you listen to Juan Willams and other talk about him, they feel that is is the kind of black that should be leading america. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
In my mind, it is all smoke and mirrors. The reason I wanted Edwards is his history of going for the corporate juggler and he seems to be a donor outsider. All are hungry for power and that brass ring. I think its about picking the lessor of all evils. Who is likely not to attack Iran. Who might cut a few taxes to look good. Who might restore some civil liberties or at least prevent some more from being taken away. Despite his riches, the powers that be went out of their way to marginalize Edwards and his history as an attack pit bull up against the big guys made me opt for him. I think his history and some of his rhetoric terrifies corporate America. That made him my choice as the lessor of all evils. I wanted Gore, because Gore in his writings admitted that before 2000, that he had sold his soul. I think the new Gore coming back from having the election stolen would not have sold his soul this time around. I also think he did not run because he knew that he would not be able to run and win unless he sold his soul. Selling your soul is a prerequisite for the job as the leader of our country. The powers that be have seen to that. I thought Edwards, still might have a little of his left intact --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 5:02:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It takes a hook. Clinton has access to ALL of this, AND a hook, but her true underwear is showing. As Tracey said, Clinton is mad right wing with hers. Nobody wants to go down that road again. Edwards is a very rich man Obama is a rich man To say that they respresent poor white men is a joke. Pba,as tried a liberal foreign policy in the debate and was criticized for it. Especially with his Palestinian people are opprssed speech. He will have to become more right wing to fit into a realistic real war. The Democratic controlled Congress has not been able to cut off funding or stop the war. Do you think Obama or Edwards can do that? The Pentagon and the corporations that put them there will not allow that to happen. Do no be so quick to be the liberal that could. Liberal Democrrats have not done anything for the war and have not done anything for this country. They still vote to send jobs pverseas/ They still fund the war. They still cant balence the budget. Obama will have to give in to conservative Republicans/ To say that he will be some great liberal savior is a joke. Even Edwards knows this. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
Not that I do not believe you about more Repblicans went for him than Huckabee. It rings true for me to some degree because of the high number of independents and that there were four times as many participated in the democratic caucus than the republican, but could you provide a source? Another point that I mentioned before that it appears that we agree on is that he qualifies as one of those Blacks that often hear, you don't seem Black or You're not like them He blends in and makes them feel at ease and more comfortable to vote for then say someone like Sharpton --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was not aware that conservatives liked him as you suggested. In Iowa, at least, conservatives do. More Republicans caucused with the democrats and voted for Obama than voted for Huck. WHITE REPUBLICANS jumped ship to vote for the Black candidate. This could be part of their misguided strategy to subvert the electable candidate, still, numbers mean something. Barack Obama on his name alone would be considered an unsafe Black man. He's presented himself as the intelligent but not intellectual, affable and approachable, Black but not too Black candidate. His image is fine toned, make no mistake. White people are for the most part totally confused about the issue of his Blackness and I doubt it factors in either way unless they are associating (or confusing) Blackness with how much is he like me? Many have tried to portray him as someone with Muslim extremists roots and drug taking. That is an odd way of showing that you like someone in my opinion. While I have seen the talking heads say last night that him being third world can help us become of the world, I've never heard anyone say they like him because he is biracial. Even if someone thought that, I do not think they would say it, because it might be perceived as racist. Tracy What is said in newspaper articles and internet discussions is difference what is heard on tv. From some of the more conservative points of view,an Obama win would be an end to the Jesse Jackson type of black american. An end to affirmative action and to blacks complaing about racism aka the Jena 6 kind of marches. In some cases Black men have it easier than White women. I don't believe that black men are always downtrodden when they step outside the door until they get home. Alot of thlem do have it easier than white women because they are men. Despite the idea that affirmative action has benefitted white females. Black males have benefitted from being men. Someties race is not an issue. You are right that some people don't like Clinto because she is Clinton. However I don't like the liberal hype that Obama will be any different than any other person. If the liberal Demoract Congress is any indication that it will be SSDD. If you listen to Juan Willams and other talk about him, they feel that is is the kind of black that should be leading america. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
While gymfig may have cut off the comment. I'm the one that said disintegrating. Perhaps it is an exaggeration. I certainly hope so. But in some parts of the country, black men have 50% unemployment, college grad rates of black men are decreasing dramatically, the percentage of Blacks marrying is dropping dramatically, blacks placed in prison for petty crimes is increasing, offsprings of middle class blacks are increasingly falling behind; college educated blacks are finding it increasingly difficult to find gainful employment, in states where affirmative action has been abolished blacks pursuing college degrees has been cut in half. Community organizations supporting Black communities are finding it increasingly difficult to secure funds needed for operation. I could cite other factors, but if it is not disintegrating, I think something bad is definitively happening to us and no has yet figured out how to stop it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoa. Whoa, wait. Whoa. Disintegrating? Whowhere? I¹m confused. HOW did we get here? You¹ve cut off the post you were responding to and I don¹t follow you right now at all. On 1/4/08 4:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 3:32:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com writes: then somebody please tell me why the black community seems to be disintegrating. Black males AND black females must take some form of responsibility for their problems (education, crime, single homes) and stop blaming racism and one another. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Del Toro to Resurrect Frankenstein
Del Toro to Resurrect Frankenstein Helmer also talks Potter and The Hobbit! by Orlando Parfitt, IGN UK http://movies.ign.com/articles/843/843539p1.html UK, January 4, 2008 - Guillermo del Toro -- visionary director of Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth -- is apparently planning a movie version of Mary Shelly's monster classic Frankenstein. The Mexican helmer told MTV News he's in planning on the definitive take of the spooky tale, and revealed that he's already begun pre-production duties and is crafting several drawings. I started doing some notes before the strike, he revealed. [During the strike] I can only draw now. Apparently, he's always been interested in directing a version of Frankenstein. He explained: The only way to do the Shelley novel is to actually do a four-hour miniseries, but I think there are permutations in which you can tell the myth in a different way. Tantalisingly, del Toro also spoke about possibly directing fanboy heavyweights The Hobbit and the final Harry Potter film.
[scifinoir2] Re: Movies Watched Over The Holiday
I enjoyed the third movie, but the first and the second reminded me of the First two of the aliens series. Both were extremely well done, in but very different flavors. The third was good, I enjoyed it, I got what I came for, but I did not feel the excitement and emotional investment that I felt during the first two films. I don't know why, but nevertheless I have no complaints --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny about Bourne: everyone i know or read says the third film is the best in the series. Due to all the amazing action and fight scenes, no doubt. Yet i still think the first film is the best, because along with the action, it had the great suspense and mystery as Jason (and we) tried to figure out who he was. The mix of the suspense, the action, the locales, and his relationship with his lady made that film really enjoyable. I *love* the third film, but it didn't reach me as emotionally as the first. this happens to me a lot. For example, from the Star Trek trilogy of films with the OS crew that started with Khan, most people I know love the Trek films Wrath of Khan (great over-the-top action and acting) or The Voyage Home (fun and funny ). I love those, but the one that stays with me most is The Search for Spock with its emotional impact of Kirk and McCoy risking all to save a friend. The beginning of Spock's death replayed on black and white, the obvious sadness of Sarek when he thinks Spock's essence is gone? Powerful. The scene of the Enterprise falling from the sky, Kirk looking at saying My God, Bones, What have i done. Chokes me up even now. Kirk's son David killed. Sad. The Klingon Bird of Prey soaring through the Vulcan skies to Mount Seleya? Moving. And the final scene when Spock says Jim...your name is Jim. Sends me soaring. all the action and FX and aliens in those movies, and it's the emotional bits in Search for Spock that i keep going back too. Friends will love a movie that's chock full of action and fight and FX, and I may like a similar film that's similarly action-packed but a little deeper emotionally, and they roll their eyes at me. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alvin and the C-Munks (already covered this sordid affair here) All 3 Bourne movies (DVD marathon today) - excellent as always Over the Hedge - enjoyed this one in the theatre and again on DVD Spent the rest of the time on History Channel. __ James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 MSN and Yahoo! Messenger: jlandrith http://www.linkedin.com/in/jlandrith http://www.jameslandrith.com http://www.multiracial.com http://www.multiracial.com/abolitionist/ __ Tracey said: Hey Gang: What movies did you watch over the holidays? The would include in the theatre, on DVD, and on TV. What movies did you like and which were duds? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
funny we are discussing Cuaron and del Toro. In addition to Raimi, they are on Jackson's short list to direct The Hobbit. Read below Looks Like Those Hobbit Movies Still Need a Director Jackson recuses himself. For the fans. by Jeff Giles | December 20, 2007 Blog Article | Discuss Article During the years of legal disputes between Peter Jackson and New Line, there was no shortage of speculation regarding which director might step into his shoes for The Hobbit -- speculation that, as it turns out, will continue at least awhile longer. As Entertainment Weekly reports, much as fans might have hoped this week's announcement that Jackson and Fran Walsh are producing The Hobbit would be only a prelude to the news that they'd be directing it (and its planned sequel), such is not the case -- at least not according to Jackson's manager, Ken Kamins: Peter won't be directing because he felt the fans have waited long enough for The Hobbit. It will take the better part of every day of the next four years to write, direct and produce two Hobbit films. Given his current obligations to both The Lovely Bones and Tintin, waiting for Peter, Fran, and Phillippa to write, direct and produce The Hobbit would require the fans wait even longer. Quite a few fans wouldn't mind the extra wait if it meant Jackson directing the Hobbit films, but alas, it looks like someone else will wind up behind the camera. So the question, again, becomes who? According to EW, the short list of candidates still includes Sam Raimi, Guillermo del Toro, and Alfonso Cuaron -- but, as New Line co-chair Robert Shaye tells it, no decisions have been made: There is obviously a small but significant number of directors who could handle two films of this magnitude, but we have no commitment to anybody. Now that Peter is an integral part of the decision-making process, we all have to see eye-to-eye on any candidate we try to enlist. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10007663-hobbit/news/1698327/ --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gymfig: I'm about to attack your notion that Cuarón, del Toro and Tim Burton do not have IT and that they do not cross over genres. This in not a personal attack, nor is it born out of anger. I'm having a ball with this You pick the director game we are playing. This discussion made me want to take a look at all the directors suggested because I think that are among the most creative in the industry. So, please do not be offended by my defense of these directors. This is a movie game and nothing else. I respect your opinion and hope you respond in kind. None of the people on the list who you indicated lacked talent, only work in one genre. By the way I am a huge Ang Lee fan and respect what he was trying to do with the Hulk. The man is a great storyteller. For this exercise, I'd be curious to see his vision of The Hobbit. While we all want Jackson, Ang can hang with the best of them. But the others on the list, are not just comic book or genre directors without It as you have indicated, as far as I can tell. Of the people you included in that category are: Alfonso Cuarón -According to IMDB he has been nominated for 3 Oscars, won a BAFTA Film Award, numerous International, national, state, and city film critics awards, numerous film festival awards, the list goes on. Up to 43 awards in all. So somebody other then me thinks he has IT Regarding him only working in one genre, he has done drama, comedy, thrillers, children's movies, TV series, fantasy, documentaries, scifi, historical movies, animation, romance, he has modernized a dickens classic (great expectations), and a few adaptations of novels in addition to the potter series.I'm so glad Keith pointed him out. I keep forgetting that he is one of the Harry Potter directors and I never would have raised him, but of all the people suggested, he is likely the one with the most evidence of crossing genres. He has four projects concurrently going. Guillermo del Toro - now del Toro, while it is simplistic to say he only does one genre, I can see were you are coming from here.If you look at Hellboy, animated Hellboy, Mimic, Pan's Labyrinth, Blade II, Geometria, At the Mountains of Madness, The Devil's Backbone , and Cronos we are dealing with speculative fiction. To me, done with great vision, but none the less, Genre However, the man crosses over into almost every area of speculative fiction, including fantasy, horror, comic book adaptation, mystery, thrillers, vampires, ghost stories, and SF drama, and historical pieces. What most people do not know is that he has done highly rated romance, drama, comedy, thrillers, and a sports-themed movie. He has been nominated for an Oscar and won 34 International, national, state and local awards. FYI for the trivia buffs in the group. He and
[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith
Meta You a Philly girl? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We certainly are, Tracey. Just ask my husband.:-) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tdemorsella tdlists@ wrote: Smart man. I think that trumps a Baltimore woman. Of course, you guys all know from experience with me that we Philly women are as meek as church mice...right, Right, RIGHT?!?!?!? :) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, James A. Landrith, Jr. james@ wrote: Bronx woman. (James sits in corner, quietly minding Ps and Qs for 14 years and counting) ___ Sent with SnapperMail www.snappermail.com .. Original Message ... On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:23:13 -0800 (PST) Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote: (whispering close to the screen after shutting study room doors) It aint just Baltimore women...
[scifinoir2] Re: Ever Seen the Horror Film Black Sheep?
I got dirty looks from my husband when I mentioned it. He started throwing up some recent choices he felt were poor. I'm emailing the info to my brother-in-law --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that would be a good idea...I think... tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe if I show the trailer to the guys, they will trust me to add it to movie nite --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street streetforce1@ wrote: I'm adding that to my Netflix right now that trailer is the funniest thing ever. On Dec 19, 2007 2:38 PM, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: This has been on my Netflix for a while. I'll have to move it up the list. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: i haven't seen it yet... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ I've been too afraid. Don't know why. Did you like it? KeithBJohnson@ wrote: All the jokes about sheep put me in mind of this film i've been hearing about for months, Black Sheep. With taglines like There are forty million sheep in New Zealand. They're all pissed off and The violence of the lambs, it sounds like a hoot. It's supposed to be very violent, very gory (the sheep routinely eat human entrails), and very funny. Sounds like a blast, reminds me of an updated version of camp classics like The Food of the Gods or Night of the Lepus, but with more blood, and FX courtesy of WETA! Check out the trailer, it's hilarious. http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltrai ler/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltra iler/ Synopsis: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php This blood-soaked horror comedy is the story of Henry Oldfield (Nathan Meister), a New Zealander with an unfortunate phobia...of sheep. When Henry was a boy, his father was killed in a herding accident on the land, and Henry fled to the big city. Now, years later, he has returned to sell his half of the farm and--at the behest of his therapist--to face his fears. Meanwhile, Henry's sadistic older brother Angus (Peter Feeney) has taken over the family business, and become widely known for his controversial genetic experiments on the animals. When two animal activists release one of Angus's genetically-altered lambs, Henry's trip quickly turns into his worst nightmare, as the lamb's zombie-like bite turns sheep and people into vicious flesh-eaters. Henry joins forces with one of the animal activists (Danielle Mason), and together they try to escape the sheep and find an antidote for the virus. Director Jonathon King cleverly plays on the silliness of the normally docile, dimwitted lamb as terrifying monster, and his shots of the sheep swarming over the hills induce equal parts thrills and laughter. However, the storyline could perhaps have benefited from a bit less action, and a bit more plot, as the suspense and jokes begin to fizzle by the end. The excellent WETA WORKSHOP (known for its work on the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy) delivers hilariously gory special effects. Faces are eaten off, humans throw their own limbs, and heads explode, culminating in a raucous bloodbath that will likely earn BLACK SHEEP cult status among the EVIL DEAD crowd. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
ugghh, you guys are giving me a headache --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Bruce Campbell as Gandalf. On Dec 20, 2007 8:33 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit Spider-Man director Sam Raimi will return to his genre roots to helm Drag Me to Hell, a supernatural thriller he wrote with his brother, Ivan Raimi, Variety reported. -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
[scifinoir2] Re: USA Cancels Dead Zone
I really liked it until the last season. They got rid of the preacher, the black buddy and the sheriff. They made his relationship with his son sappy and the darkness was reduced. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if i have anything to look forward to, it's that I only watched the first season of both the Dead Zone and The 4400, so i have a lot of good times coming up on DVD. Dead Zone surprised me with later seasons in how dark and complex it seemed to be, especially with the minister and his connection to the evil politician. What was that about, and what do you think the show has lost? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I only saw a few of the episodes of the last season but it lost something. i could not watch it anymore http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46619 USA Cancels Dead Zone USA Network has officially canceled The Dead Zone, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The Dead Zone ran for six seasons. It was based on characters from Stephen King's book and was created by the late Michael Piller and his son, Shawn. Its premiere set a record for a series debut on basic cable, with 6.4 million viewers. The Dead Zone starred Anthony Michael Hall and Nicole de Boer. (USA Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith
too late to cover your tracks now. I'm gunning for you. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maurice? Maurice who? :o) (arms flailing, running screaming past Independence Hall) Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:13 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith Maurice, Martin? I'm afraid... Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:hettrek%40yahoo.com com wrote: We certainly are, Tracey. Just ask my husband.:-) Meta --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, tdemorsella tdlists@ wrote: Smart man. I think that trumps a Baltimore woman. Of course, you guys all know from experience with me that we Philly women are as meek as church mice...right, Right, RIGHT?!?!?!? :) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, James A. Landrith, Jr. james@ wrote: Bronx woman. (James sits in corner, quietly minding Ps and Qs for 14 years and counting) ___ Sent with SnapperMail www.snappermail.com .. Original Message ... On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:23:13 -0800 (PST) Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote: (whispering close to the screen after shutting study room doors) It aint just Baltimore women... Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I'll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really don't want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith
after seeing that is when I starting believing in his talent. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It started with Six Degrees Of Seperation in my humble opinion... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how long before his rep has grown enough to do that? -- Original message -- From: Astromancer I think Smith has done his research and knows what we know about the market. He is a smart man, so he is going to put his money into what sells...maybe later, if he has such a mind to do so, he'll do the films you talk about...By then, his reputation alone will pull the audience he need for success...The Happyness film is a quasi-example of that... Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Keith: I decide to read what I missed before on Smith's Profile on Internet Movie Database and I saw that the man has really stepped up his activity as a producer in recent years. In addition to Hancock, he has eight flicks in various stages of production. With just a cursory glance, none look like they are Black or Black love, but some look interesting. Just some food for thought.. All of your points are valid, but there is one thing I do not get the impression that you have considered. Black on Black love in film does not even a high profile topic within the Black community or among Blacks in the entertainment industry. I guess I'm saying that for years people have been saying that there are no positive Black stories in Hollywood and a few people took some risks and we are starting to see these stories. We had to hear it or a long time before there was noticeable movement in that area. With two biopics, I would include Smith among those people who is seeking to address that issue. I also wonder if most African Americans feel that niche is being filled with the Black films we see that barely make it to the big screen. I do not see the same type of push in Holly weird (even among Blacks) for that type of story. I could be way off base. Is it true, do Black in Hollywood not really push for the Black on Black thing? Speaking of that..it just hit me...with the exception of McMillan adaptations, Angela Bassett is always paired with a white male. I take that back, she had a non-existent relationship with the Black guy on Alias. I say non-existent, because you did not know about it until they were deep into it. Please note: I was moving out of the country at the time, so it is possible I missed some episodes that covered when they were getting together. If that is the case please let me know [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that brings us full circle back to my question: why does a man who's pulled in well over a hundred million in up front salary in the last few years not take a stand and fight for a Black woman as his love interest in a film? -- Original message -- From: Bosco Bosco Will Smith actually owns his own production company Overbrook Entertainment. I think he pretty much does whatever he wants to at this point. This is from the IMDB: Graduate of Philly's legendary Overbrook High School, whose alumni include Wilt Chamberlain, Hal Lear, Wali Jones, Walt Hazzard, The Dovells, The Orlons, DeeDee Sharp, etc. and in tribute to his student years there, his production company is called Overbrook Entertainment. The company produce the following movies: Ali, Showtime, I-Robot, Hitch, Saving Face, ATL, and Pursuit of Happiness. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Agreed. Most at his level have made just that move, but for some reason (perhaps kids as you suggest) Smith hasn't taken the plunge. If he does, it will be interesting to see what he does. Justin Mohareb wrote: At this point, it's pretty much possible for an established star to put their own production company together, pick a project they want, and get it done themselves. I'm pretty sure he could put something together for a couple million dollars if he wanted to. Look at some of the stuff Clooney has done (Good Night, Good Luck) or the Bobby Kennedy movie. These were projects the creators believed in, so they made them happen. Maybe when his kids are older. JJ Mohareb On Dec 18, 2007 4:39 PM, Mike Street wrote: Hummminteresting concept. But I'm sure he still a slave to corporate. Now that you bring this up I can't even remember a movie of his that has a black female as his co-star. I was sure that he would link up with a Gab. Union, Janet, Halle, or one of them sisters for a role. But i guess cause he's in sci-fi so much that a lot of his roles didn't call for a love interest or they went the safe route with a Spanish chick. But maybe he will shock
[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
What about Tim Burton? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hobbit is a children's book. It is not a serious film about love and lost. I don't think that there is a director out there that could capture that. If Henson were alive I think that he could have done it. I think the person that directed the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe could do a great job. I heard the movie was great. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film
I thought the first Blade was a classic --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, yinka oyekunle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does everyone think of the 1st Blade movie? Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw the trailer for Hellboy 2. It looks to be every bit as good as the first one. I'll miss John Hurt but I think this could be truly fun B --- Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made. I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I saw, for the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well, is pretty horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a rental. On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating my netflix queue Bosco __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: 4400 Is Canceled
Same parent company --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Skiffy's influence spreads, I see. :( Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peters: 4400 Is Canceled http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46613 Scott Peters, creator of USA Network's The 4400, announced on the show's official forum that the series has been canceled. It's with great sadness that I pass along to you the information I've just received: The 4400 has been canceled, Peters wrote on Dec. 18. We've had a great time bringing you this story and submersing you in the lives of all these incredible characters. Thank you especially to the folks on the board here whose tireless devotion to the show is nothing short of remarkable. Cast member Jacqueline McKenzie posted her own reaction to the news on her MySpace.com page. I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone here for writing those petitions! she said, referring to a fan campaign to save the show. I know I speak for all the cast: We really appreciate the support and dedication of our fans! Thank you! Peters, who is also an executive producer, said that he broke the news to cast member Joel Gretsch. We had a great talk about what we all accomplished and how much we'll miss our family that is our crew and our cast ... and our fans, Peters wrote. But at least we got to go out with a bang! I had an awesome time directing the last episode. I think I got to make almost every single cast member cry (on camera). How much fun was that? Peters helmed the final episode of the series, The Great Leap Forward, which aired on Sept. 16, 2007. The show ran for four seasons on USA. (USA Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film
Blade one was a classic. I thought Blade two was good, but some of the magic was lost. Blade three was ...just bad...very, very bad. Their battlee with Snipes destroyed the franchise --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blade was a great movie until I saw Blade 2. I¹m not a vampire person. I really don¹t like vampire stories at all, actually. But I liked Blade 2. Blade 3 made me really appreciate the second film more. Hell, Blade 3 made me appreciate Michael Jackson¹s Thriller video more. Blade 2 is my favorite of the three. On 12/21/07 9:40 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't bad. yinka oyekunle [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:yoyekunle40208%40yahoo.com wrote: What does everyone think of the 1st Blade movie? Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ironpigs3%40yahoo.com wrote: I just saw the trailer for Hellboy 2. It looks to be every bit as good as the first one. I'll miss John Hurt but I think this could be truly fun B --- Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com wrote: I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made. I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I saw, for the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well, is pretty horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a rental. On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ironpigs3%40yahoo.com wrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating my netflix queue Bosco __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: 4400 Is Canceled
There were at least 4 on the list watching it. But, I do not know what the ratings were --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah I think it was a case of nobody was watching this show. I can¹t think of 25 people I know, including this list, who were watching it. 4400 just seemed like a miniseries gone wild to me. Dead Zone as well. I really liked the first 2 seasons of Dead Zone, but it just seemed to fall off. On 12/21/07 9:55 AM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Skiffy's influence spreads, I see. :( Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Peters: 4400 Is Canceled http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46613 http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0amp;id=46613 Scott Peters, creator of USA Network's The 4400, announced on the show's official forum that the series has been canceled. It's with great sadness that I pass along to you the information I've just received: The 4400 has been canceled, Peters wrote on Dec. 18. We've had a great time bringing you this story and submersing you in the lives of all these incredible characters. Thank you especially to the folks on the board here whose tireless devotion to the show is nothing short of remarkable. Cast member Jacqueline McKenzie posted her own reaction to the news on her MySpace.com page. I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone here for writing those petitions! she said, referring to a fan campaign to save the show. I know I speak for all the cast: We really appreciate the support and dedication of our fans! Thank you! Peters, who is also an executive producer, said that he broke the news to cast member Joel Gretsch. We had a great talk about what we all accomplished and how much we'll miss our family that is our crew and our cast ... and our fans, Peters wrote. But at least we got to go out with a bang! I had an awesome time directing the last episode. I think I got to make almost every single cast member cry (on camera). How much fun was that? Peters helmed the final episode of the series, The Great Leap Forward, which aired on Sept. 16, 2007. The show ran for four seasons on USA. (USA Network is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.) Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film
Great List except for Catwoman - however, if you go in with lowered expectations in can be fun. I never saw ghost world but I just added it to my list. another movie that you mike like that I do not believe was ever a comic, but it has that feels like one is Equilibrium. The plot is listed below. In a futuristic world, a strict regime has eliminated war by suppressing emotions: Books, art and music are strictly forbidden, and feeling is a crime punishable by death -- a rule that's enforced by feeding the denizens a mood-limiting drug. John Preston is a top government official responsible for destroying those who resist the rules. But when he misses a dose of his own medication, he experiences a pang of conscience. It reminds me of Vendetta a little. i love the cast. It includes: Christian Bale, Taye Diggs, Emily Watson, Sean Bean, Dominic Purcell, and Dominic Purcell --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like you, I am mad for V for Vendetta, possibly the wordiest comic book movie ever made. It a symphony for the eyes and the ears. I also second Hellboy. This probably won't expand your to view list, but I remain enamored of Sin City. The adaptation of Daniel Clowes' Ghost World featuring Steve Buscemi, Thora Birch and Scarlett Johanssen (playing the plain one) is also excellent. I am fond of Constantine, primarily because I adore Rachel Weisz and also because I was unencumbered by never having read the comic book. I also like Keanu Reeves' laconic, black lung performace and Tilda Swinton's as the Archangel Gabriel is a hoot. (I continue to defend Halle Berry's Catwoman, but we wont' go there!) On this tip, I highly recommend E. Favata's Comic Book Movie site: http://www.efavata.com/CBM/ ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating my netflix queue Bosco __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[scifinoir2] Re: Comics to Film (Hughes Brothers)
Touching Evil was really good; From Hell was almost a masterpiece. I sure hope that is not the last we have seen from them. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree From Hell is the most accomplished movie the Hughes Brothers made. Working outside their comfort zone, they delivered the goods. Having demonstrated undeniable chops, they disappeared from the big screen. I had to go to IMDB.com to find out what happened to them. Apparently, they attempted to become mini-moguls, producing 12 episodes of something called Touching Evil on the USA network. http://www.filmstew.com/showArticle.aspx?ContentID=6250 But even this was THREE YEARS after From Hell was released. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle yokozuna@ wrote: Interesting thing about ³From Hell². It is arguably the Hughes Brothers¹ greatest film. It was also their last. I think this is a great Johnny Depp performance, and if I¹m not mistaken, was the first of the whole ³Johnny does an accent well² roles. Heather Graham did not belong in this picture by any stretch of the imagination. To be fair, though, I have only seen two films where she DID belong, one was ³Lost In Space² (or as I like to call it, ³this group of actors all decided they wanted Ferraris and wanted a movie studio to pay for them all in cash² because this movie was absolutely not meant for anyone to really see it.), and ³Committed². Casey Affleck and the dark haired Wilson brother are also in ³Committed² making it one of the best parades of B-listers in recent film history. Truly something Showtime should be playing again and again. I¹m going to go out on a limb and suggest a picture that will make many of you cringe, but is worth seeing on DVD in the privacy of your own home, especially if you have like 8-13 year old kids in said home: ³The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.² or, in Hollywood-ese: ³LXG². Yes, I know. Why? Because if you¹ve ever read the books, you¹ll see that they were trying to make this movie a slick version of those books. The adventure and excitement are actually IN this picture. The effects (and Sean Connery) kill it. This is a better comic book movie than either Fantastic Four picture. On 12/21/07 12:06 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I am vaguely remembering that I saw this but I may have to revisit it to refresh. B --- ravenadal ravenadal@ mailto:ravenadal%40yahoo.com wrote: Oh yeah! I forgot the Hughes Brothers' excellent From Hell, starring Johnny Depp. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com , Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: I just saw the trailer for Hellboy 2. It looks to be every bit as good as the first one. I'll miss John Hurt but I think this could be truly fun B --- Daryle yokozuna@ wrote: I still hold Spider-Man 2 as the best ever made. I think ³American Splendor² was pretty well done, and recently I saw, for the first time in its entirety, ³The Punisher². The acting, well, is pretty horrible, but if you can stand the X-Men movies, Punisher¹s worth a rental. On 12/20/07 4:41 PM, Bosco Bosco ironpigs3@ wrote: On an earlier thread someone mentioned that the latest Batman film was their favorite comic adaptation. I really like it as well and it got me to thinking about some of my other faves. I think V for Vendetta is my personal favorite and I loved, loved, loved Hellboy. I really dug the most recent Batman as well as the first Spiderman. I wasn't so fond of the X-Men though I did like them. Anyone else got some pics or recommends. I am thinking of updating my netflix queue Bosco __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm
[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
Personally I want Jackson, but I was trying to come up with someone who had the imagination for it. I agree he is probalby way to dark, but i do not think he is any worse than Raimi --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:27:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about Tim Burton? Tracy, If I could I would come through this computer and slap you silly for that. LOL!!! Johnny Depp would be an awful choice for Bilbo. Bilbo would be a drunken hairy odd little man with peculiar tastes. Depp would basically be playing himself. You do understand that if we get Burton we also get Helen Bohman Carter. She would revise her role in Merlin. *Shudder* **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
I agree, but if the can get Jackson, who has the imagination and vision? By the way, how was Willy Wonka. Depp's Michael Jackson performance in the trailers hs just creeped me out --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Burton's tastes run a bit to the more gothic and outre side; he's perfect for stuff like Nightmare Before Christmas and the dark Batman, but I don't think he'd have quite the right touch of whimsy for *this* particular film. It's a tricky mix to get the humour, action, drama, FX, and magic down pat -- Original message -- From: tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about Tim Burton? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Gymfig@ wrote: The hobbit is a children's book. It is not a serious film about love and lost. I don't think that there is a director out there that could capture that. If Henson were alive I think that he could have done it. I think the person that directed the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe could do a great job. I heard the movie was great. **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith
Smart man. I think that trumps a Baltimore woman. Of course, you guys all know from experience with me that we Philly women are as meek as church mice...right, Right, RIGHT?!?!?!? :) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, James A. Landrith, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronx woman. (James sits in corner, quietly minding Ps and Qs for 14 years and counting) ___ Sent with SnapperMail www.snappermail.com .. Original Message ... On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:23:13 -0800 (PST) Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (whispering close to the screen after shutting study room doors) It aint just Baltimore women...
[scifinoir2] Re: Ever Seen the Horror Film Black Sheep?
Yeah. Shaun was good, but the idea of Killer sheep gives me the willies (sp) I live some gory movies once I see them, but i'm usually slow to go out of my way to seem them. While I was Mexico, I had on demand and there were video stores, but I just did not rent much. I also missed a lot of stuff that did not get down there, so with a rental que of almost 200, I put off the killer sheep-- besides, my husband and brother in law are already making fun of some of my more adventuresome movie nite rental choices. i would never live the sheep down --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check the trailer at Apple's site. It's not bad at all, just kinda funny. you get hints of the gore. But didn't you watch Shaun of the Dead? I heard that's pretty gory? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] No the description on Netflix kind of terrified me. after I got done laughing at the concept of killer sheep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: didja check the trailer? -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] All jokes aside, huh? Oh my gosh, that's hilarious!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the jokes about sheep put me in mind of this film i've been hearing about for months, Black Sheep. With taglines like There are forty million sheep in New Zealand. They're all pissed off and The violence of the lambs, it sounds like a hoot. It's supposed to be very violent, very gory (the sheep routinely eat human entrails), and very funny. Sounds like a blast, reminds me of an updated version of camp classics like The Food of the Gods or Night of the Lepus, but with more blood, and FX courtesy of WETA! Check out the trailer, it's hilarious. http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltrailer/ Synopsis: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php This blood-soaked horror comedy is the story of Henry Oldfield (Nathan Meister), a New Zealander with an unfortunate phobia...of sheep. When Henry was a boy, his father was killed in a herding accident on the land, and Henry fled to the big city. Now, years later, he has returned to sell his half of the farm and--at the behest of his therapist--to face his fears. Meanwhile, Henry's sadistic older brother Angus (Peter Feeney) has taken over the family business, and become widely known for his controversial genetic experiments on the animals. When two animal activists release one of Angus's genetically-altered lambs, Henry's trip quickly turns into his worst nightmare, as the lamb's zombie-like bite turns sheep and people into vicious flesh-eaters. Henry joins forces with one of the animal activists (Danielle Mason), and together they try to escape the sheep and find an antidote for the virus. Director Jonathon King cleverly plays on the silliness of the normally docile, dimwitted lamb as terrifying monster, and his shots of the sheep swarming over the hills induce equal parts thrills and laughter. However, the storyline could perhaps have benefited from a bit less action, and a bit more plot, as the suspense and jokes begin to fizzle by the end. The excellent WETA WORKSHOP (known for its work on the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy) delivers hilariously gory special effects. Faces are eaten off, humans throw their own limbs, and heads explode, culminating in a raucous bloodbath that will likely earn BLACK SHEEP cult status among the EVIL DEAD crowd. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so Iâll only say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say something that interests the Community, and you really, really donât want to get them interested. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Ever Seen the Horror Film Black Sheep?
Maybe if I show the trailer to the guys, they will trust me to add it to movie nite --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm adding that to my Netflix right now that trailer is the funniest thing ever. On Dec 19, 2007 2:38 PM, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been on my Netflix for a while. I'll have to move it up the list. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: i haven't seen it yet... -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ I've been too afraid. Don't know why. Did you like it? KeithBJohnson@ wrote: All the jokes about sheep put me in mind of this film i've been hearing about for months, Black Sheep. With taglines like There are forty million sheep in New Zealand. They're all pissed off and The violence of the lambs, it sounds like a hoot. It's supposed to be very violent, very gory (the sheep routinely eat human entrails), and very funny. Sounds like a blast, reminds me of an updated version of camp classics like The Food of the Gods or Night of the Lepus, but with more blood, and FX courtesy of WETA! Check out the trailer, it's hilarious. http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltrai ler/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/blacksheep/internationaltra iler/ Synopsis: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_sheep/about.php This blood-soaked horror comedy is the story of Henry Oldfield (Nathan Meister), a New Zealander with an unfortunate phobia...of sheep. When Henry was a boy, his father was killed in a herding accident on the land, and Henry fled to the big city. Now, years later, he has returned to sell his half of the farm and--at the behest of his therapist--to face his fears. Meanwhile, Henry's sadistic older brother Angus (Peter Feeney) has taken over the family business, and become widely known for his controversial genetic experiments on the animals. When two animal activists release one of Angus's genetically-altered lambs, Henry's trip quickly turns into his worst nightmare, as the lamb's zombie-like bite turns sheep and people into vicious flesh-eaters. Henry joins forces with one of the animal activists (Danielle Mason), and together they try to escape the sheep and find an antidote for the virus. Director Jonathon King cleverly plays on the silliness of the normally docile, dimwitted lamb as terrifying monster, and his shots of the sheep swarming over the hills induce equal parts thrills and laughter. However, the storyline could perhaps have benefited from a bit less action, and a bit more plot, as the suspense and jokes begin to fizzle by the end. The excellent WETA WORKSHOP (known for its work on the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy) delivers hilariously gory special effects. Faces are eaten off, humans throw their own limbs, and heads explode, culminating in a raucous bloodbath that will likely earn BLACK SHEEP cult status among the EVIL DEAD crowd. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- -- Blogs: The Greasy Guide http://greasyguide.com Your Online Destination for Urban Information Coming Soon Street Sweet NYC http://www.streetsweetnyc.com Get your fix on cupcake bliss. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Favorite Villain Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes finale
While they were not necessarily my favorite, I found the Reavers on Firefly pretty scary. I also found three other Whedon Villians interesting. The principal on Buffy, The Law firm on Angel and Jasime (Gina Torres) also from Angel were all pretty interesting --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See? Ya feelin¹ me on the Blake¹s 7! NOBODY had bad guys like Blake¹s 7. And no bad guy has ever dressed as well as Supreme Commander Servalan! On 12/13/07 5:45 PM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of ladies (and using the Wayback Machine), Servalan, from Blake's 7. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Good one. But that reminds me... SCORPIUS!!! I really enjoyed him buky90 wrote: the female commander from farside. just to remind us whos more dangerous of the species, and when she was pregnant she got more vicious On 12/12/07, Martin wrote: IMO, the best kind of villain is the Operative type. A guy who's just doing his job, albeit a job whose morals the masses might call into question. Deity. I just validated Mister Bush. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Buy the way, I love the operative. Sure wish we could see more of him Daryle wrote: Hal not only counts, it counts as the best developed villain of all! Good choice! My short list has to include the Tyrell Corporation (yes, the whole corporation) of ³Blade Runner², The entire cast of ³Blake¹s 7², Elijah from ³Unbreakable², The Operative (Chiwetel Ejiofor¹s character) from ³Serenity², and of course...the Cardassians. On 12/12/07 1:07 PM, Bosco Bosco wrote: There's so many good villains to choose from. I'm a villain lover actually. In no particular order here's some faves off the top of my head. Darth Vader, Baron Harkonnen, The Reavers from Firefly/Serenity, Dr. John Whorfin, Spike, and The Others on Lost. Do Q and Hal count as villains? I count them as such I suppose. Bosco --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: One of my favorite villians is Ra's Al Ghul from Batman. He seems to be one of the more fleshed out villains. I love his back flash stories and how they reveal his motivations. his relationship with Batman is never Black and White. Mike Street wrote: I like well developed villains. I think Magneto is excellent cause he has a clear cut purpose, a past, and goal with what he's trying to do. Or the Joker cause he's nut's and can't tell right from wrong anymore. I do think the good guys are to GOOD. I always wanted the Legion of Doom to kick the good guys ass once and a while..just for a reality check. My favorite was when Batman got his ass kicked and was out and the Azreal came in to take his place and was kicking everyone ass. Them stupid Batman comes back to kick his ass. I was like this is bull shit. I personally like the eviler Batman and was hoping that Bruce Wane would retire for good. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason
[scifinoir2] For Martin Re: FW: [Blackfolks] Electromagnetic Radiation:Intervention
hi Martin I was getting ready to order a radiation safe head set and I found a Radiation Frequency Safe Pocket Shield and a Radiation Frequency Safe Belt Clip Shield I'm sure there are other brands, but these are the ones I found: Radiation Frequency Safe Pocket Shield http://www.rfsafe.com/product-2.html Radiation Frequency Safe Belt Clip Shield http://www.rfsafe.com/abelt_shield.htm --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, stunned at being in any decent health, knowing this. And really scary- I considered wearing it on a lanyard around my neck, waaay too close to my heart for comfort. 8-O Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. Try to avoid keeping your cell phone in your pocket or on your hip all day. The hip is responsible for producing 80% of the red blood cells in the body and that area is especially vulnerable to EMR damage. Martin wrote: I've always worn my cell on my left hip, since I'm left-handed. Wonder if I should ask my doctor about this when I see him on the 1st. Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: From what I've read it does not start affecting you with tumors until you have used them excessively for 10 years straight holding the phone on the same side of your face. Even then, your likelihood tumors increases, significantly. It does not mean you will definitely get a tumor. Martin wrote: Actually, I haven't noticed *any* ill effects. I'm healthier than I've ever been. Reece Jennings wrote: Wow. Damage done, huh? I had a tumor removed from my left jaw back in '04. Benign. I used to keep my cellphone under my left uniform shirt epaulet (sp) when I was a Law Enforcement Officer. I mean a cop. I don't do that anymore. But I DO still keep it on my belt. Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http://www.legacyhomesavers.com _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: [Blackfolks] Electromagnetic Radiation:Intervention Recommendations from the Safe Wireless Initiative Number 4 comes about sixteen years too late for me... Reece Jennings yahoo.com wrote: Electromagnetic Radiation: Intervention Recommendations from the Safe Wireless Initiative To minimize dangerous electromagnetic radiation from your personal environment: 1. Keep your cell phone at least 6-7 inches away from the body while it is on. 2. Use an air tube, not wired or wireless, headset or speaker mode, as much as possible. 3. Keep the cell phone turned completely off when not in use. 4. Try to avoid keeping your cell phone in your pocket or on your hip all day. The hip is responsible for producing 80% of the red blood cells in the body and that area is especially vulnerable to EMR damage. 5. Replace cordless phones with corded landlines wherever possible. 6. Minimize exposure to all wireless technology and other electric devices or equipment. Hard-wire your computer for Internet access, instead of wireless access. 7. Nutritional supplementation is showing significant protective effects from melatonin and vitamins C and E in averting oxidative stress. 8. Install various EMR filters to electrical circuits and appliances. 9. Use appropriate preventive technologies as often as possible. 10. Never talk on a cell phone or cordless home phone when you are pregnant or with a baby or small child in your arms. 11. Move your alarm clock radio at least 3 feet from your head, 6 feet is recommended. 12. Keep your sleep zone as low EMR as possible; avoid electric, metal-framed, and water beds. 13. On an electric stove, cook on the back burners instead of the front, whenever you can. 14. Find hot spots in your home or office with the use of a gauss meter to measure EMR in the extremely low frequency effect window associated with electricity. 15. Measure EMR (ELF and information carrying radio waves from wireless devices) with an Electrosmog Detector, professional RF meter or gauss meter. When there are high readings, take steps to eliminate the EMR and mitigate the effects. To minimize adverse health effects of electromagnetic radiation, especially if you are sensitive or prone to debilitating symptoms: 1. Minimize your use of the computer, and make sure it has hard-wired Internet access - not wireless. Avoid using, or being exposed to, cell or cordless telephones, as much as you can. (The base
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Merrill Lynch Chief to Step Down
I managed the Intranet for the Global IT department and coordinated the managers of Intranets for 30 other divisions. Regarding the timing, it looks like they are both crashing and burning. My response is purely emotional because they have defied the lables people have put on us. Ironically, there is a lot I have read O'Neal, that is disturbing--- also right after 911 they had a massive layoff of 1/3 of the employees - I think something like 33,000 people. Before that time, there were rarely layoffs so most of the people i knew there were long time employees. Everybody did a lot get things back up and running after the 911 and to put things back in place so we could get back in the towers in NY. There were assurances about jobs-- no body believed them. But it seems like as soon as he could he did the lay off so that it would not look like he got rid of them at Christmas. In his defense, any body who took a package made out. Those who tried to take a package later did not do so well. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, timing's odd, though other stuff I read bout O'Neal makes me wonder. what did you do when you were there? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not necessarily an advocate. There could be no other logical move then to get rid of him, but it kind of stings a lot that him and Parsons are being made to resign at the same time. I was there in 2000-2001. After years of self-employment, i enjoyed it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not to disagree or criticize, but, though he turned it around then, why the multi-billion dollar loss now? when did you work at Merrill Lynch? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) I worked there when he became President. With some of the headquarters in the Towers next to the 911 bombed towers the company was hemorrhaging money and the man turned it around. Its funny how short their memories are, but not surprising. Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm ashamed to admit I didn't know the Merrill Lynch chief was a brother?! I'd been hearing about this all morning, and just now saw his picture! And I have to be honest: when I first heard the reports, i shook my head, thinking what else is new? Another company getting caught up in too many years of questionable accounting and over-eager business practices. And when I heard this on the radio -- The Merrill spokesman said O'Neal would not receive a severance package, but that he would have access to all the stock he received during his tenure at the company. Merrill declined to disclose how many shares O'Neal accrued. Including salary and annual bonuses, O'Neal took home $46 million in compensation in 2006. -- I thought, a Forty-six mill?! Another fat-cat executive making too much damn money, getting a platinum parachute even when he's having to leave for poor performance. Typical. And then I read he's a brother and before I know it I said to myself That's what I'm talking about! You gon' ahead bruh and get your money! If THEY can do it why can't we?! Huh, they probably trying to make you a scapegoat anyway. You didn't get your forty acres, but you got forty million dollars. My man! Sigh... guess I have a ways to go for full enlightenment! http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/30/news/companies/merrill_oneal/index.htm?postversi i on=2007103012 ion=2007103012 O'Neal out as Merrill Lynch chief Stanley O'Neal relinquishes post amid $8 billion subprime losses; Alberto Cribiore named as interim non-executive chairman. By David Ellis, CNNMoney.com staff writer October 30 2007: 12:56 PM EDT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- After a 21-year career at Merrill Lynch Co., Stanley O'Neal stepped down Tuesday as chairman and CEO, less than one week after the firm stunned Wall Street by revealing an $8 billion loss on risky investments in subprime mortgages. Merrill (Charts, Fortune 500) shares fell 4 percent in late morning trade Tuesday on the New York Stock Exchange. The nation's largest brokerage said O'Neal, 56, would retire immediately and that board member Alberto Cribiore would take over for him as interim non-executive chairman. Merrill said both O'Neal and the board agreed that a change in leadership would help the company move forward as it attempts to overcome the $8 billion in losses it suffered last week. We would like to thank Stan for the contribution he has made leading a major transformation of Merrill Lynch into a global and diversified
[scifinoir2] SciFiNoir Roll Call
A number of new people have joined the group lately, so I decided to post this call for a roll call so who in a member and what their interests are. Help us get to know you. Answer the questions below and send your Roll Call answers to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sample subject line: Roll Call:Kathy AKA Kat, Chicago, IL 1. Name: 2. Location: 3. Nickname(s)/Alias[s]: 4. To What Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify(describe the character): 5. Favorite Speculative Fiction Genres: Science/Speculative Fiction and Mystery. 6. Favorite Speculative Fiction TV Shows (canceled shows ok): 7. Favorite Speculative Fiction Movies: 8. Favorite Speculative Fiction Characters: 9. Favorite Speculative Fiction Villain: 10. Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 11. Your Favorite Show that was canceled unfairly: 12. Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Superhero: 13. Topics of importance to you: 14. Your own published works, if any: 15. Your web site: 16. Your Speculative Fiction Pet Peeves: 17. Memberships in science fiction clubs or discussion groups: 18. Speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk you: 19. Movies you plan on seeing this summer: 20. Movies you plan on avoiding this summer: Send your Roll Call to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sample subject line: Roll Call:Kathy AKA Kat, Chicago, IL
[scifinoir2] Fwd: Re: What are you...
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], muze101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tracey Well, I loved scifi TV at one point but I have to admit the last shows I was really wild about was Witchblade and First Wave. I was also a Dark Angel fan. I admit to missing horror based tv shows. I was hoping the new version of The Night Stalker would last. Right now, I really love Heroes, it has replaced Lost in my heart. Lost was so great when it first started and I love surprises and plot twists as much as the next girl but in the last season I felt the writers were just trying to go in too many directions. With it's return last fall, showing a few eps, then asking the audience to wait until Feb '07 for new shows was jut a bit much for me. I don't think I'll be going back. I'm looking forward to the Dresden Files and I have been watching Dr. Who when I can catch it. Does anyone no anything about Torchwood? Where it's airing in the U.S.? I keep hearing good things about it. ~~~rachelle --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Watching on TV and DVD? What do you recommend? What should we steer clear of? Tracey --- End forwarded message ---
[scifinoir2] Hey Rachelle!!!! Fwd: Blog communities
A little while back, Rachelle was reaching out to be active in the group, but she was posting on the old group which is not active. I moved her to this list which is active, but she has been silent. Rachelle!!! Where are you?? What do you want to talk about? We really want you to join in. Tracey --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], muze101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was curious, does this group have a community some place like Livejournal, Greatestjournal or sites like that? rachelle --- End forwarded message ---
[scifinoir2] Re: Crazy Lady Moving to Seattle
Third World is right. So sad... anyway, there seems to be a lot of fun places to to eat, so we should definitely hook up. After morethan decade of emails, it will be great to finally meet you. Will you be going to the scifi museum? Tracey --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tracey: Welcome back to the planet's newest and largest 3rd world country! BTW, my wife and I will be in Seattle on or about August 10, 2007 for a cruise to Alaska. Maybe we can get together for dinner or drinks? We're staying in a downtown hotel a couple nights before the ship sails on August 12. George --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Hey SciFiNoir Fam: Just letting you know that I'm moving back to the States. Seattle is where we are landing (Chris is a software C++, ASP.NET guy. We are leaving on Tuesday. We decided with both of us being sick, it is hard to take advantage of the benefits that we moved to Mexico for. I'm going to be real sick for at least another six month and it will take an additional year to get completely healed. Since you guys have been so supportive, I wanted you to know. I m so excited becuase I have missed so much scifi and the schedule is so behind, that sometimes I have to avoid reading your posts. Now I will able to join in. Anyone on the list in Seattle? Tracey
[scifinoir2] Re: Blood Ties on Lifetime TV
I saw it on the last leg of my trip. It was my first taste of Scifi in The US in More than a year. I hoped for so much, but it seemed a little formulaic, the script was week and the production seemed extremely low budget. I did not have a problem with low bodget productions, but it does not seem like much effort was done to get the most out of the budget they had. I will probably watch it to get my scifi fix, but it it does not improve, I do not know for how Long I will watch. Travey --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone check this show out? The main actress was on Earth: Final Conflict, I believe. and I seem to remember some cable movie about her in a lesbian relationship. Tonight's show was okay. Dealt with voodo, but I've seen so many of those I almost laugh at the people faking the Caribbean or New Orleans accents. http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/bloodties/ After being asked to unravel a bizarre murder case, private investigator Vicki Nelson realizes that uncovering who or what the killer is may be a lot harder than for her typical case. During a stakeout the ex-cop meets Henry Fitzroy, who looks to be an irresistible twentysomething playboy but claims he's actually a 450-year-old vampire! Though she has trouble swallowing his story, Henry has interesting insight into the case, so Vicki teams up with him to nail the killer. But things get complicated when sparks ignite between this unlikely pair, and Vicki's ex-partner and former flame, who immediately distrusts Henry, takes an undue interest in the new partners' undeniably electric connection. Blood Ties, based on Tanya Huff's best-selling Blood Books novels, follows Vicki as she finds herself more and more drawn to probing the unexplainable, leading her to walk a line between the supernatural and earthly worlds, torn between the men on either side. Character: Vicki Nelson Cop turned private investigator Vicki Nelson has the not-so-easy task of solving supernatural cases with the help of her sexy preternatural partner, Henry, and her assistant, Coreen. Christina Cox Best known for her lead role in F/X: The Series as well as her performance opposite Vin Diesel in The Chronicles of Riddick, actress Christina Cox's credits also include CSI: Miami, Cold Case and Numb3rs. Recently, Cox cocreated a pilot called The Trackers, and soon she'll be seen opposite Ving Rhames in the upcoming film Ascension Day. Character: Coreen Fennel After her boyfriend was murdered, Coreen sought Vicki's help, believing supernatural forces were involved. Now she's Vicki's assistant. Gina Holden Gina Holden began her career as a model, finding success as the face of Shiseido cosmetics. After discovering acting, Holden went on to appear in Fantastic Four, Final Destination 3, The Butterfly Effect 2 and Code Name: The Cleaner. The actress's television credits include Reunion, The L Word, Psych, Supernatural and The Dead Zone. Character: Mike Celluci Vicki's ex-partner and sometime lover Mike Celluci is often simultaneously trying to tackle the same unexplainable cases as Vicki, and he's far from thrilled about Vicki and her new partner's palpable chemistry. Dylan Neal Dylan Neal is a well-recognized face on television, having had recurring roles in JAG, The Bold and the Beautiful and Dawson's Creek, as Doug Witter. Neal has also been seen in the series Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, The War at Home, CSI: Miami and Kevin Hill. He appeared on the big screen alongside Josh Hartnett in the film 40 Days and 40 Nights. Character: Henry Fitzroy Henry Fitzroy, a 450-year-old vampire and the son of Henry VIII, lives among humans as a graphic novelist but as a sideline teams up with Vicki to investigate the unexplainable. Kyle Schmid Kyle Schmid's recent work includes his recurring role in Beautiful People as well as an appearance in the Disney Channel's The Cheetah Girls. The actor also starred in Lifetime's Cyber Seduction: His Secret Life and Sex the Single Mom. Schmid's feature-film credits include The Covenant, The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, A History of Violence and The Pacifier. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] An Intro from
There are now 105 members on SciFiNoir2. 32 new members were migrated from the place holder I got back (our old site). Since we are all over here, no nobody was talking over there, I thought it best if we got together. Anyway, the following is an update of the old Intro everybody used to submit. I think we should all fill it out so that we can get to know new people and old school members can get reacquainted. It a great way to discover others with similar interests. Post your introduction at [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the subject line, after An Intro From type your name and city. After posting your profile, watch how many friends you will quickly make! 1. Name: 2. Location: 3. Nickname/ Alias: 4. To What Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify(describe the character): 5. Favorite Speculative Fiction Genres: 6. Favorite Speculative Fiction TV Show (canceled shows ok): 7. Favorite Speculative Fiction Movie: 8. Favorite Speculative Fiction Characters: 9. Favorite Speculative Fiction Villain: 11. Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 12. Favorite Speculative Fiction Film or TV Adaptation of a Superhero: 13. Topics of importance to you: 14. Your own published works, if any: 15. Your web site: 16. Your Speculative Fiction Pet Peeves: 17. Memberships in science fiction clubs: 18. Anything else you think is important: Once Again, Welcome to SciFiNoir2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/
[scifinoir2] Where are Our Members - Do You Live Near Me?
Hi SciFiNoir Family. Since there are so many new members, I thought I would send this reminder to add your name to our group map that lets members know in what cities other scifinoir members live. Most of you probably live really close to other members and do not even know it. This map will hopefully correct that. Please click through to add your point on the map. Takes less than a minute. http://www.frappr.com/scifinoir/map Thanks Tracey de Morsella, your moderator SciFiNoir/SciFiNoir-Lit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir-lit/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir2/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[scifinoir2] Map of SciFinoir Member Locations
Hi SciFiNoir Family. I just signed us up for a service that provides a map of what cities in which scifinoir members live. While I no longer live near anyone anymore,(moved to Mexico in October) most of you probably live really close to other memers and do not even know it. This map will hopefully correct that. Please click through to add your point on the map. Takes less than a minute. http://www.frappr.com/scifinoir/map Thanks Tracey de Morsella, your moderator SciFiNoir/SciFiNoir-Lit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir-lit/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir2/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes
Hi SciFiNoir Family: I am compiling quotes for a quote generator that we are installing on the planned portal. Could you guys submit some of your favorites? They can be from any type of speculative fiction genre or media type. Post them to the list or send to the email listed below. Thanks Tracey de Morsella Phone: 215-849-0946 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] View The What Happened to ScifiNoir at Yahoogroups FAQ, at: http://www.visitfloripa.com/scifinoir/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/S.QlOD/3MnJAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
