Re: CS>Potent antiviral effect of silver nanoparticles on SARS-CoV-2

[Marshall Dudley]

All I can read is the abstract.  It talks about 1 ppm to 20 ppm, and 
above 20 ppm.  Was this in vitro or in vivo?  Also is that the 
concentration given, or the concentration the virus was exposed to?  If 
the latter, then that is a huge amount of CS (gallons of 40 ppm) to drink.


Marshall


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On 9/22/2021 4:00 PM, Rick wrote:



  Potent antiviral effect of silver nanoparticles on SARS-CoV-2

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32958250/ 

CS>Shock studay: 30 times more likely to catch COVID if you are vaccinated.

[Marshall Dudley]

This is from a real news outlet.

https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=613f9ce113839c20f6a81e1e


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Re: CS>Parvo

[Marshall Dudley]

On 5/20/2021 10:56 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:


I have read it works wonders.  I can't remember but I think it is 
given by enema as well as mouth.



Marshall

On 5/18/2021 3:03 PM, Gmail wrote:

My local animal shelter is experiencing  parvo epidemic.
Anyone  have any info or experience using CS fo this?

This is the way the world ends: not with a bang, but with a whimper.
T.S. Eliot



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Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

On 3/11/2010 12:05 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
I think I have a way to convert EIS to 100% particulate.  If you add a 
pinch of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) powder to a glass of EIS, it will 
almost immediately reduce the silver oxide/hydroxide to silver 
particles of one and 2 atom each.  I tried it and it doe seem to work.


Reference: 
http:www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2004/fpl_2004_dorau001.pdf /page 
139 last sentence: :When silver ions encounter ascorbic acid, they are 
reduced to metallic silver nanoparticles./


Marshall


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Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

On 3/11/2010 10:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
It has thus far, tried it with 15 ppm, gave me a heck of a Tyndall and 
a slight yellow color.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:


Very interesting indeed. I assume the silver remained in suspension? 
The CS manufacturers won't like this. :-)

Nice discovery.

 - Steve N

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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed Mar 10 23:05:13 2010
Subject: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

I think I have a way to convert EIS to 100% particulate.  If you add a
pinch of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) powder to a glass of EIS, it will
almost immediately reduce the silver oxide/hydroxide to silver particles
of one and 2 atom each.  I tried it and it doe seem to work.

Reference: http:www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2004/fpl_2004_dorau001.pdf
/page 139 last sentence: :When silver ions encounter ascorbic acid, they
are reduced to metallic silver nanoparticles./

Marshall


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Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

On 3/11/2010 10:27 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

Richard Goodwin wrote:

Cool!  So I could probably dissolve a vit C tablet in there and it would

do

 the same thing.

Not necessarily.  There could be components in it that bind with 
silver more tightly than the loosely bound oxide and hydroxide, and if 
they grab it first it would not reduce.  When other compounds and 
elements are added, all bets are off.


Marshall

But ... if the ionic form is more effective for most things, then would

you

 want to convert it all to non-ionic particles?

Or would you maybe want to mix the two?  The non-ionic form lasts longer

in

 your blood when you drink it, yes?

But does it kill bacteria and viruses and lyme as well?

Dick



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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 12:05:13 AM
Subject: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

I think I have a way to convert EIS to 100% particulate.  If you add a

pinch

 of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) powder to a glass of EIS, it will almost
 immediately reduce the silver oxide/hydroxide to silver particles of 
one

and 2

 atom each.  I tried it and it doe seem to work.

Reference: http:www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2004/fpl_2004_dorau001.pdf
 /page 139 last sentence: :When silver ions encounter ascorbic acid, 
they

are

 reduced to metallic silver nanoparticles./

Marshall


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Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

On 3/11/2010 5:28 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
Here is a link with a picture I just made. It's not very good, I had 
to have the room pretty dark with no flash to even see a hint of the 
Tyndall in the EIS glass.  From left to right, 15 ppm EIS with a pinch 
of ascorbic acid added,  pure15 ppm EIS, distilled water with a pinch 
of ascorbic acid added.


Note that the colors are not true. The laser beam is actually red, but 
appears yellow because it is so overexposed.  Then the reflection of 
the beam off other particles gives the entire left hand glass a red 
color, which is really only red because the laser light is red.  The 
actual color is more of a yellow if white light comes in from the 
side, but somewhat murky due to the large number of particles.  
Viewing on a white background and illuminated from the rear it is more 
bluish.


http://silver-lightning.com/ascorbic-cs.jpg

Marshall


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Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

[Marshall Dudley]

On 3/12/2010 10:53 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
Very light yellow.  It is more turpid than with color, leading me to 
believe that the particles are very small so they are absorbing 
primarily in the uv region and only lightly in the blue, but still 
sufficient in quantity to cause a good bit of reflection of light and 
thus the tremendous Tyndall.  After two days it is still stable.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



Marshall


 What color is the converted brew without the laser light affecting the
photo?

Ode


From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: carcinoma, March 11, 2010 4:28:28 PM
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS

Here is a link with a picture I just made. It's not very good, I had 
to have the room pretty dark with no flash to even see a hint of the 
Tyndall in the EIS glass.  From left to right, 15 ppm EIS with a 
pinch of ascorbic acid added,  pure15 ppm EIS, distilled water with 
a pinch of ascorbic acid added.


Note that the colors are not true. The laser beam is actually red, 
but appears yellow because it is so overexposed.  Then the 
reflection of the beam off other particles gives the entire left 
hand glass a red color, which is really only red because the laser 
light is red.  The actual color is more of a yellow if white light 
comes in from the side, but somewhat murky due to the large number 
of particles.  Viewing on a white background and illuminated from 
the rear it is more bluish.


http://silver-lightning.com/ascorbic-cs.jpg

Marshall



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Re: CSCS falling out of suspesion

[Marshall Dudley]

I am not sure what they mean by a long shelf life. I have several 
bottles that are over 10 years old that are still in suspension.  If 
theirs does not have a long shelf life, then they are doing something 
wrong, storing in contaminated bottles,  or using contaminated water 
when it is made.


Marshall

On 2/11/2011 10:38 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:




The statement below was posted in one of my other groupscould I 
get some clarity from people in the group about this please?

thanks in advance Debbie
As for storing CS, unfortunately it does not have a long shelf life.
The silver particles and ions fall out of suspension after a period of 
time. I think they lose their electrical charge and clump together, 
most commercially available CS contain stabilizers.

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46

[Marshall Dudley]

On 2/11/2011 5:25 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

I'm still waiting to here an answer on this?

Is vitamin C ascorbic acid?


It can be ascorbic acid or an ascorbate, such as sodium ascorbate.

  Is this the stuff used in photography developing?
No developer is used for developing.  Acetic acid is normally used as a 
stop, that is basically vinegar.  But any acid will work.


Marshall

  Or is it a different form?

And Selenium?  Are there differences between that which is found 
naturally and ingested with foods and is taken as a supplement, to 
that which is used in photography?


N.


Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:14:31 -0800
Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46
From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

If you take vitamin C with EIS, would that increase risk of argyria?  
Adding vit C to EIS makes it look gray.


~David

Re: CSShingles

[Marshall Dudley]

Not correct. All bottled water must be exposed to ozone when bottling, 
but no chlorine.


Marshall

On 2/8/2011 9:57 PM, Bob Banever wrote:

Trem,
 I was just informed that ALL bottled water (even distilled) must 
contain chlorine as per FDA.  Do you know anything about this?

 Bob

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*From:* Trem mailto:t...@silvergen.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:47 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSShingles

Worked for me many years ago.  Never came back.  I drink it
daily.  No other infections either.
Trem

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*From:* Tel Tofflemire mailto:telt...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSShingles

*Colloidal Silver* sprayed on affected area works 99 % of the
time.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.



*From:* Todd Paddock tr...@hotmail.com
mailto:tr...@hotmail.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, February 8, 2011 11:12:51 AM
*Subject:* CSShingles

I belive I have seen something on here before reguarding
shingles. Is CS effective against shingles and how much would
you dose for pain relief.

Thanks
Todd Paddock

Re: CSCS and Virus(es)

[Marshall Dudley]

An ounce taken every half hour until it is gone seems to work fine for 
my family.  If using 20 ppm, probably should be lowered to around 1/2 
ounce, or 5 ppm doubled.


Marshall

On 2/6/2011 10:38 AM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

Mary be patient other's need information too,
Debbie


*From:* MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
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*Sent:* Sun, February 6, 2011 8:59:43 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSCS and Virus(es)

The thread has been taken over by animal posts -- but I'm still 
looking for input on the effectiveness of CS on viruses -- _people 
_viruses.  Anyone?
Marshall -- thanks for your reply.  Question -- your application for 
this?  Just drinking it?  Approximate quantity used?  Thanks for any 
information.

MA


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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Fri

Re: CSmuscle cramps

[Marshall Dudley]

My wife has had the same problem for years.  She takes calcium, 
magnesium and potassium, which helps but does not stop them completely. 
She just was advised by an expert at the health food store to try Legs 
on Edge by progressive laboratories. She has not had a single cramp 
since starting it about 2 weeks ago.  What is odd is that it contains 
calcium, magnesium and potassium which she was already taking. But it 
also contains folic acid and horse chestnut seed extract, so I guess one 
of those must be the key.


Marshall

On 2/7/2011 10:11 AM, Alan Jones wrote:
Lately whenever I try to exercise I get tons of muscle cramps in the 
subsequent days.  When I use a product called First Endurance EFS 
(Electrolyte Fuel System) it helps a lot.  But it's very expensive.


Does anyone have any other suggestions for replacing electrolytes on a 
budget?


--
Alan Jones

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nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States 
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Re: CSMMS mineral

[Marshall Dudley]

MMS is highly alkaline.

Marshall

On 2/2/2011 11:05 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:




Is MMS acidic? It is very good at fighting cancer right?
Thanks Deb

Re: CSQuestion abou Xylito and dogs!

[Marshall Dudley]

The mechanism is interesting. From what I understand when they taste the 
sweetness, the automatic nervous system immediately starts pumping 
insulin into their system to handle the sugar, but no sugar arrives, and 
their blood sugar plummetsm sometimes to the point of death.


Marshall

On 2/2/2011 11:46 PM, Lin wrote:
In case this hasn't been brought up.  Please know that xylitol can be 
deadly for dogs.
They are attracted to the sweetness and seem to be able to sniff it 
out from places it's stored easily.


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Re: CSClinical Augmented Silver Colloid?

[Marshall Dudley]

Polysorbate 20 is an emulsifier, like soap or a detergent. It is used to 
keep things in suspension that would otherwise fall out. It is likely 
the way they are able to maintain 45 ppm of colloidal silver without 
stability problems.  It might be an indication that the particles of 
silver are too large to stay in suspension by themselves.


Marshall

On 2/3/2011 9:52 AM, Lin wrote:


Anyone familiar with this product?  Or is it a product made by anyone 
on this list? The label reads Natural Clinician Clinical Augmented 
Silver Colloid,  Enhanced 45 ppm. It says to drink ¼ oz everyday. 
Elemental Silver 290 mcg, (No established RDI, 45ppm)..other 
ingredients: de-Ionized Water, Peppermint oil, Polysorbate 20, 
Augmented with Xylitol.


Patent Pending

A friend purchased it yesterday.  I assume the Xylitol and Peppermint 
oil are added for flavor, but what does Polysorbate 20 add?  45PPM???


Thanks for any info or comments, Lin

Re: CSCS and dentures

[Marshall Dudley]

I had a friend who's dentures would start really smelling bad and he 
would have to soak them in bleach to kill everything.  I gave him some 
CS and he reported that it worked just as well as bleach, and didn't 
leave them tasting bad with chlorine.


Marshall

On 1/31/2011 11:55 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
Is CS a good thing to soak dentures in, instead of buying stuff from 
the store?


~David



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Re: CSRe: Herpes Simplex (Cold Sore)

[Marshall Dudley]

I took an ounce a day internally of 5 ppm for years. Never had an 
outbreak after I started, so i don't know when it actually got cured. 
After about 6 years stopped taking it except occasionally if I get some 
bad food, or exposed to something or feel something coming on now, maybe 
3 or 4 times a year.


Marshall

On 2/1/2011 9:42 AM, Melly Bag wrote:

David,
How long did you take the CS to get rid of the HS1?  How much did you 
take and how many times a day?
When i feel Herpes Simplex (cold sore) coming i immediately apply a 
mixture of: 60% CS, 30% Swedish bitters, and 10% DMSO.  It halts it 
right away.  I would continue putting for 24 hours @ 3 times a day.  
However, sometimes am not home, so it comes out, i treat it with the 
same solution and at night i take a little cotton and saturate it and 
tape it to the sore.  It helps heal faster.  I also apply godzilla 
electric.  It helps a lot.   It seems to kill the virus on that 
particular spot because when i get it again, it appears in a different 
spot.

Melly
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From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2011 #31
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 8:51 AM

Re: CSsilvergen sg6 question...PLEASE HELP!!!!

[Marshall Dudley]

Many distilled water bottles have the lot number on them. I have found 
that samples within the same lot number are identical, but from other 
lost can vary significantly, even if bought together.


Marshall

On 1/9/2011 5:16 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Two questions if I may...Did that water come from the *same* bottle?  
It may be DW but that DW may vary from bottle to bottle, and even from 
the same manufacturer.  A meter will indicate this when checking the 
water of each batch *prior* to starting brewing process.


And how did you clean the brewing vessel out between batches?

Not all bottles of DW will necessarily be the same...In my experience.

N.


From: anugal_...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 13:16:21 -0500
Subject: CSsilvergen sg6 question...PLEASE HELP

Hi, i recently got my sg6. The first two batches, were perfect. 
However, the third batch i made (using the same high quality distilled 
water, and same ppm setting) was different. I was in the other room 
when the unit shut off (complete) it was probably 15 mins. or so that 
passed, before i checked the unit and saw the batch was ready. To my 
surprise, there was a milky looking substance dripping from the 
electrode connected to the red lug. It was dripping from the bottom 
of the electrode, and literally had a pool of this substance 
collecting at the bottom of my mason jar!


Again, i did nothing different from the previous 2 batches. Same mason 
jar, same water, same setting.


This really worries me! Can somebody please ease my mind and tell me 
why, and how this possibly happened?


Thank you so much, you guys have been great!

Re: CSsilvergen sg6 question...PLEASE HELP!!!!

[Marshall Dudley]

I don't know if the design has changed, but the stirring rod is pused up 
onto a pin that is on the motor, and if you push it too far up, it will 
rub the top of the lid and not turn.


Marshall

On 1/9/2011 8:51 PM, Dan Nave wrote:

Probably the stirrer was not working.

This milky stuff is sometimes seen where there is no movement of the water.

Dan

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Kenny lagunaanugal_...@hotmail.com  wrote:

Hi, i recently got my sg6. The first two batches, were perfect. However, the
third batch i made (using the same high quality distilled water, and same
ppm setting) was different. I was in the other room when the unit shut off
(complete) it was probably 15 mins. or so that passed, before i checked the
unit and saw the batch was ready. To my surprise, there was a milky
looking substance dripping from the electrode connected to the red lug. It
was dripping from the bottom of the electrode, and literally had a pool of
this substance collecting at the bottom of my mason jar!

Again, i did nothing different from the previous 2 batches. Same mason jar,
same water, same setting.

This really worries me! Can somebody please ease my mind and tell me why,
and how this possibly happened?

Thank you so much, you guys have been great!



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Re: CSPrecipitating calcium before distillation

[Marshall Dudley]

It doesn't, it make sodium carbonate, as the CO2 is driven off by the heat.

Marshall

On 1/9/2011 11:14 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi,
Can anyone tell me why baking 'sodium' bicarbonate at 350 degrees for 
2-2.5 hours will become 'calcium' carbonate?  How does sodium 
magically become calcium?

Thanks.
PT


*From:* rans...@atmc.net rans...@atmc.net
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*Sent:* Mon, January 3, 2011 12:49:40 PM
*Subject:* CSPrecipitating calcium before distillation

For years I wanted my own water distiller but I knew that my calcium
carbonate loaded water would prematurely destroy one. We have to 
vigorously
clean any pot after boiling water in it and have to religiously 
descale the
coffee maker. I also wanted to build my own larger scale water 
distiller but

the same problem applied- not worth the money and trouble because of the
rapid calcium buildup.

I have finally found two methods that will bring this closer to 
reality for

me but have very practical applications already.

I now de-calcify nearly all our drinking water. We do it in the common 5
gallon polycarbonate water jugs thusly:

The secret precipitating agent is not at all a secret- it's calcium
carbonate- plain old washing soda. It's still made by Arm  Hammer and can
be bought on eBay if you can't find it locally. The dose for my water is
about 1/2 teaspoon per gallon. Stir in and dissolve well and watch the
calcium cloud the water then fall to the bottom of the jug. About 24 hours
later, siphon off with a small tube and through a funnel with several 
coffee

filters. I use my filters over many times.

Concerned about non-food grade calcium carbonate? Make your own. 
Spread some

baking soda out in a pan and bake it at 350F for 2-2.5 hours.

This preemptive process should add much life to any distiller.

The best calcium cleaning solution I ever used in a coffee maker will
probably work fine for distillers too: Standard 5% white vinegar to 
which I

add powdered citric acid until it turns yellow.

DaddyBob


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Re: CSPrecipitating calcium before distillation

[Marshall Dudley]

You don't have to worry about it, it is left behind when you do the 
distillation.


Marshall

On 1/10/2011 11:33 AM, h.godavari wrote:


I am afraid you do get some of that Sodium remaining in the water. I 
am not sure how to get rid of it altogether. May be there is a chemist 
around who can step in :-)


regards
hg

PT Ferrance wrote:
Thanks, it does help.  One more question.  If one uses this to 
precipitate out the calcium, does one get water that is high in 
sodium chloride?  This would create a whole other problem... and 
perhaps a more serious one for someone trying to control their salt.

Thanks again.
PT


*From:* h.godavari h.godav...@shaw.ca
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*Sent:* Mon, January 10, 2011 10:16:58 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSPrecipitating calcium before distillation

I think it was a typing error - a matter of mind racing ahead of the 
fingers :-) -  Calcium carbonate is insoluble in water  its what 
sea-shells are made of.


Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and sodium carbonate (washing soda) 
are both highly soluble in water When you heat baking soda above 70 c 
, it looses on e carbon dioxide (NaHCO3 - Na2CO3) , ignore 
stoichiometry for now, and it becomes washing soda.


When you add this to water containing Calcium (probably Calcium 
Chloride) they swap parts and the resulting Calcium carbonate 
precipitates  out of solution and you get de-calcified water.


Sodium Carbonate + Calcium Chloride -Sodium Chloride + Calcium 
Carbonate


hope that helps.

regards
hg

PT Ferrance wrote:
I'm confused.  Daddy Bob said he uses calcium carbonate to 
precipitate out calcium and then said we could make our own by 
baking sodium bicarbonate.  Am I missing something here?

Thanks.
PT

 


*From:* Frank frankcuns-r...@comcast.net
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*Sent:* Mon, January 10, 2011 7:52:13 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSPrecipitating calcium before distillation

Hi sodium bicarbonate “baked” at 350F may become sodium carbonate, 
NOT calcium carbonate.

Cheers

*From:* PT Ferrance mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net
*Sent:* Sunday, January 09, 2011 11:14 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CSPrecipitating calcium before distillation

Hi,
Can anyone tell me why baking 'sodium' bicarbonate at 350 degrees 
for 2-2.5 hours will become 'calcium' carbonate?  How does sodium 
magically become calcium? Thanks.

PT

 


*From:* rans...@atmc.net rans...@atmc.net
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, January 3, 2011 12:49:40 PM
*Subject:* CSPrecipitating calcium before distillation

For years I wanted my own water distiller but I knew that my calcium
carbonate loaded water would prematurely destroy one. We have to 
vigorously
clean any pot after boiling water in it and have to religiously 
descale the
coffee maker. I also wanted to build my own larger scale water 
distiller but
the same problem applied- not worth the money and trouble because of 
the

rapid calcium buildup.

I have finally found two methods that will bring this closer to 
reality for

me but have very practical applications already.

I now de-calcify nearly all our drinking water. We do it in the 
common 5

gallon polycarbonate water jugs thusly:

The secret precipitating agent is not at all a secret- it's calcium
carbonate- plain old washing soda. It's still made by Arm  Hammer 
and can
be bought on eBay if you can't find it locally. The dose for my 
water is

about 1/2 teaspoon per gallon. Stir in and dissolve well and watch the
calcium cloud the water then fall to the bottom of the jug. About 24 
hours
later, siphon off with a small tube and through a funnel with 
several coffee

filters. I use my filters over many times.

Concerned about non-food grade calcium carbonate? Make your own. 
Spread some

baking soda out in a pan and bake it at 350F for 2-2.5 hours.

This preemptive process should add much life to any distiller.

The best calcium cleaning solution I ever used in a coffee maker will
probably work fine for distillers too: Standard 5% white vinegar to 
which I

add powdered citric acid until it turns yellow.

DaddyBob


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Re: CSEMF pollution question

[Marshall Dudley]

It is my understanding that cell phones by law must stay connected with 
a tower even if not activated, because they must still allow you to call 
911.


Marshall

On 1/2/2011 6:36 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
Even if you no longer have a service provider for it? I do have an 
alarm clock I will get it back out I for some reason thought that you 
had to have it making contact with a tower for it to emit EMF,

Thanks much,
Deb


*From:* Del d...@altsystem.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sun, January 2, 2011 9:54:17 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSEMF pollution question

Some cell phones emit radiation even when not in use (but still turned 
on).

Don't know if yours has that feature.
I would not use it as an alarm clock if I were you.
Get a cheap alarm clock from the drugstore, that would be better.
Del

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*From:* Deborah Gerard mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com
*To:* cs mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:45 AM
*Subject:* CSEMF pollution question




I use a cell phone that is no longer in service.  I use it for a
alarm clock, is this safe?  Does it still give off frequency that
is harmful?
Thanks Debbie

Re: CSGatorade substitute

[Marshall Dudley]

I believe that a mixture of water, citric acid, salt and potassium 
chloride should do it.  Of course you don't use very much potassium 
chloride, it will stop your heart if you consume much of it, and likely 
not needed at all. Sweeten to taste, sugar if you want, or stevia 
(Truvia) if you don't.


Marshall

On 1/2/2011 9:46 PM, Rowena wrote:
Back to ancient history - Richard Harris way back told us about 
Gatorade; over time discussion took us through objections to some 
ingredients in Gatorade and presented an alternative.


Can anyone tell me what the alternative was?

Thanks
Rowena
May you all experience good in 2011

Re: CSEMF pollution question

[Marshall Dudley]

As bad as cellphones are, wifi is much worse.  I have read countless 
messages of people who are affected mentally, psychically, and 
physically by these devices. Some being almost deathly ill until they 
turned them off in their homes.


I do not enable any of them in my home.

Marshall

On 1/2/2011 9:54 AM, Del wrote:
Some cell phones emit radiation even when not in use (but still turned 
on).

Don't know if yours has that feature.
I would not use it as an alarm clock if I were you.
Get a cheap alarm clock from the drugstore, that would be better.
Del

- Original Message -
*From:* Deborah Gerard mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com
*To:* cs mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:45 AM
*Subject:* CSEMF pollution question




I use a cell phone that is no longer in service.  I use it for a
alarm clock, is this safe?  Does it still give off frequency that
is harmful?
Thanks Debbie

Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

[Marshall Dudley]

That is correct, and additional silver can combine with CO2 and produce 
silver carbonate as well.


Marshall

On 12/20/2010 7:11 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Also, when we say that that in theory, EIS can reach a PPM of 26,
don't we actually mean:

In theory the PPM of dissolved silver ions can reach 26PPM, and there
may be some additional PPM contributed by particles of silver, so in
theory EIS can reach slightly more than 26 PPM.

?

Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com  wrote:

Wikipedia lists the solubility of silver oxide as 25PPM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide

I am wondering how this reconciles with talk on this list of silver
hydroxide and silver oxide each having a solubility of about 13ppm,
for a total of 26PPM (roughly the same as 25PPM?).  I wonder if
wikipedia is using the word silver oxide to encompass what we mean by
both silver hydroxide and silver oxide together?

For example, if you put silveroxide in water, say its solubility was
found to be 26PPM
Then say you put silver hydroxide in some water, and say its
solubility was also found to be 26PPM.
(is this what we would actually find?)

But this wouldn't say what is actually in the solution at the end.  It
only says what you put into the solution.  Am I right to think that
doing either of those two experiments would result in a solution that
had the same stuff in it, even though different stuff went in
initially?

Okay, now I confused myself,
~David


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Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

[Marshall Dudley]

Silver oxide can be purchased from several places, such as Salt Lake 
Metals for around $75 to $100 an ounce.


Marshall

On 12/20/2010 10:19 PM, Dan Nave wrote:

Several years ago when Marshall was talking about silver oxide, silver
hydroxide, and H2O2, I suggested that we could take enough silver
oxide by weight mixed with distilled water to make about 25ppm
solution and combine them with some H2O2.  If his theories were
correct it should make colloidal silver which is identical to what we
make with electricity (EIS) when we add the H2O2 a few days after
brewing.

I wish someone with access to silver oxide powder would test it out.

Dan

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com  wrote:

Wikipedia lists the solubility of silver oxide as 25PPM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide

I am wondering how this reconciles with talk on this list of silver
hydroxide and silver oxide each having a solubility of about 13ppm,
for a total of 26PPM (roughly the same as 25PPM?).  I wonder if
wikipedia is using the word silver oxide to encompass what we mean by
both silver hydroxide and silver oxide together?

For example, if you put silveroxide in water, say its solubility was
found to be 26PPM
Then say you put silver hydroxide in some water, and say its
solubility was also found to be 26PPM.
(is this what we would actually find?)

But this wouldn't say what is actually in the solution at the end.  It
only says what you put into the solution.  Am I right to think that
doing either of those two experiments would result in a solution that
had the same stuff in it, even though different stuff went in
initially?

Okay, now I confused myself,
~David


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Deep Pockets, was Re: CSBjorn Nordenstrom

[Marshall Dudley]

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_pocket


*Deep pocket* is an American 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English slang 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slang term; it usually means extensive 
financial wealth or resources. It is usually used in reference to big 
companies or organizations (ex: the American tobacco 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco companies have deep pockets), 
although it can be used in reference to individuals (e.g., Bill Gates 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates, Donald Trump 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump).


In the context of a lawsuit, the *deep pocket* is often the target 
defendant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defendant, even when the true 
(moral) culpability is with another party because the *deep pocket* has 
money to pay a verdict. For example, a lawyer may comment that he or she 
sued the manufacturer of a product rather than the seller because it is 
the *deep pocket,* meaning it has more money than the seller with which 
to compensate the victim.



   Deep pocket as a slang term

The term deep pockets (also given as deep pocket and deep 
pocketed) is attested sparsely in the 1940s through the 1960s, but 
became popular with the litigation explosion of the 1970s.


A person with short arms and deep pockets is a person (sometimes 
derided as miserly or cheap) who saves money and doesn't often spend 
it. The term short arms and deep/long pockets is cited in print from 
at least 1952.


In Ireland, this phrase was attached to a wealthy business man from 
Tipparary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipparary who, upon his round 
of drinks, would break his glass on the floor, knowing the owner of the 
pub would ask him to leave. This was also called the O'Shea Fiddle.


Marshall

On 12/14/2010 10:17 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Interesting how the same phrase has different meanings in different 
societies

MA


*From:* Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, December 14, 2010 8:15:50 PM
*Subject:* RE: CSBjorn Nordenstrom

I always thought that  the saying 'having deep pockets' meant: keeping 
your hands firmly in your pocket to protect the money in that 
pocket...   someone who is stingy,  with plenty of dough




On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:23 AM, MaryAnn Helland 
marmar...@bellsouth.net mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net  wrote:


Interesting remark -- on this side of the pond, when one has
deep pockets -- it is understood that they are very wealthy and
can afford anything!!  :-)
MA


From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 11:15:31 PM
Subject: RE: CSBjorn Nordenstrom

Thanks Smitty,

Coincidentally, I've been trying to get a hold of this book for
some time, but my pockets are a little too deep for the price
quoted nudge nudge, wink wink, say n'more.

One day, one day g.

N.



Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:46:54 -1000
Subject: Re: CSBjorn Nordenstrom
From: papad...@gmail.com mailto:papad...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com

I found this =
http://www.naturalworldhealing.com/nordenstrom-electrical.htm

Smitty

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Neville Munn
one.red...@hotmail.com mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com  wrote:

This chap's worthy of consideration in adding to one's
personal arsenal of collected literature regarding the use of
silver and electromedicine, particularly silver and cancer.

N.


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Re: CSNeed original of March 1978 article on CS; can anyone help?

[Marshall Dudley]

You should be able to request a copy from you local library.

Marshall

On 12/6/2010 11:25 AM, Nenah Sylver wrote:


Hi Everyone. The statement that CS kills 650 types of pathogens 
apparently originated in a March 1978 Science Digest article called 
Our Mightiest Germ Fighter.


I have seen this all over the Internet. What I haven't seen, however, 
is a scan of the original article. I don't feel comfortable quoting it 
unless I can see the original.


Does anyone have a copy they can share with me---or tell me where I 
can find it? This is really important.


Thanks in advance.

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

electromedicine specialist and author

The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009)

 The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004)

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Re: CScs vs mms?

[Marshall Dudley]

CS is colloidal particles of silver mixed with ionic silver.  It is 
effective on viruses, bacteria, yeasts and fungi.  It is also effective 
on at least some protozoa, but not directly effective on parasites. It 
cannot penetrate into the lymph system, and is believed by many to also 
be blocked by the blood brain barrier.


MMS is sodium chlorite which when mixed with an acid evolves chlorine 
dioxide.  the chlorine dioxide has some effect on viruses, bacteria, 
yeasts and fungi.  I think it is less effective than CS on most if not 
all of these.  It is very effective on parasites, and can penetrate into 
the lymph system, and brain.


Marshall

On 11/23/2010 9:32 AM, Beth wrote:

Hi
Okay so I have been studying results from CS and MMS.
Can someone tell me what the difference is?
Is there a different result if I use silver compared to using mms?
Or do they both do the same thing?
If you have an opinion whether scientific or not, I would like to hear it.
Beth

Re: CSNebulizer

[Marshall Dudley]

Put the CS in the nebulizer.  Then spray it into the mouth while 
breathing in via the mouth.


Marshall

On 11/15/2010 11:08 AM, Gene and Joann Porter wrote:

Does anyone know how to use CS with a nebulizer?
Thanks for any information you may have.
Gene/Joann

Re: CSNebulizer

[Marshall Dudley]

I have used from 5 to 20 ppm. I ususlly 2/3 ounce each time.  I normally 
use it once, since that usually completely clears whatever I needed it 
for. But if it did not clear, I would probably use it every hour or two.


Marshall

On 11/15/2010 11:49 AM, Gene and Joann Porter wrote:

*Thanks so much for your response.*
*We know so little about this we really appreciate the help.*
*What is the strength of the CS (PPM) that you put into the nebulizer 
cup?*

*How much do you use each time? (a teaspoon or ccs or what amount?)*
*In the case of the flu, would you use it every hour or every day?*
*For a cold, what would be the amount?*
*Thanks for your help.*
*Gene?Joann*

- Original Message -
*From:* Deborah Gerard mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2010 8:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSNebulizer

I do it alot...just put the cs in the place where you would put
the liquid medicine the doc prescribes
Debbie


*From:* Gene and Joann Porter g...@teknett.com
mailto:g...@teknett.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, November 15, 2010 11:08:13 AM
*Subject:* CSNebulizer

Does anyone know how to use CS with a nebulizer?
Thanks for any information you may have.
Gene/Joann

Re: CSCS: Lipo-C taste;earlier post

[Marshall Dudley]

I believe that you can get a pretty good measurement of the amount of 
dissolved salt in the water by measuring conductivity.


Marshall

On 11/10/2010 1:52 PM, Jerzy Zieba wrote:
When we mix ascorbic acid (vit C) with bicarb soda, we get sodium 
acorbate, which is SALT.
If you manage to get no fizz state that means that all the ascorbic 
acid reacted with all the bicarb.
But... the result is still SALT. If it does not taste like salt 
than... what is it ?? :-))
If you buy sodium ascorbate cristals (Source Naturals) professionally 
made they DO taste very salty !

I also buy ULTRA PURE sodium ascorbate for IV - it is also salty.
So... what we are trying to put into LIPOSOMES is salt. If we mix it 
with dissolved lecithin (this mixture will have salty taste) and than
put it into a US cleaner and we do NOT get salty taste this would mean 
that all salt went into liposomes (unlikely that we

can get 100% efficiency).
The question I have been asking is HOW to measure that salt residual 
that did NOT get into the liposomes ??

Am I making a mistake somewhere ?
George

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*From:* Harold MacDonald mailto:har...@telus.net
*To:* Silver list mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:53 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSCS: Lipo-C taste;earlier post

Re- salt taste.
This may be why I detect no salty taste.
/[From an earlier post]/

After trying a few different ways to make Lipo-C,I settled on
putting 3 tblspns
of Soy Lecithin in one cup of DW and let it sit  at room
temp.until Lecithin
was as fully in solution as possible.Then I put two[2] tspns of
Ascorbic acid in 1/2 cup of DW
plus one tspn of bicarb [1],let it fizz right down.If I see any
sedimentation
on the bottom,then I tweak it by adding a pinch of Vit.C.,if it
fizzes then I
add a bit more until no reaction.If the first pinch of C does
nothing,then I
add a pinch of bicarb,if it fizzes then I repeat the process until no
reaction.I have found this to give me as close to 100% as you can
hope for.In
my last four brews I had two with very slight traces of Leci.
floating on
top.These seemed to be from larger sized granules.
When I measure the Lecithin I  notice that the size of the
granules do
vary.If I had a precise scale I would try doing it by weight, just
to see.

Harold
I use the jewellry cleaner from Harbour Freight now.

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*From:* Lin mailto:jlgre...@hctc.com
*To:* Harold MacDonald mailto:har...@telus.net ; Silver list
mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:59 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSCS: Lipo-C taste

Is anyone using sodium ascorbate crystals to make the Lipo C?
I've done the method Harold reports below and mine did have a
slight salty taste, so it might not have been as throughly
encapsulated as his.
Trying to get a PH that would be better for a feline vs, the
ascorbic C.
Lin

- Original Message -
*From:* Harold MacDonald mailto:har...@telus.net
*To:* Silver list mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:39 PM
*Subject:* CSCS: Lipo-C taste

 I do the ascorbic acid / bi-carb of soda protocol,and do
not detect any salt taste , only mild lecithin.The mix
appears to be 100% in solution,except at the odd
times some few granules  are not dissolved.This I
attribute to the inconsistency of the particle size, as
volume is the measure I use,not weight.
Harold

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Re: CSlong and short rods

[Marshall Dudley]

You have to look at the electric field distribution. If you have a short 
wire, then you are going to have a much higher voltage drop near the 
wire as the resistance will be higher.  I do know that when I was making 
CS with short wires  it required 10,000 volts to get the current flow.  
So, yes it will work, but you might need to use much higher voltages, 
and t some point heat generation becomes a problem. I had to have a 2 
ton refrigeration unit on my unit to keep it cool when I did that.


Marshall

On 11/3/2010 7:39 PM, Beth wrote:

Hi again,
new subject here...
I have seen a video online that where the guys says
  you don't have to use 2 long silver
rods. That you only need 1 long (the one the silver comes off of)
and the one that has the charge, it only needs to be a short wire and
that it will conduct the other wire no matter how long or short it is.
Any thoughts on that?

Beth



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Re: CSDistiller arrives...

[Marshall Dudley]

Carbon filtering the water before distilling it - good
Carbon filtering the water after distilling it - bad

The filter will remove some volatiles, which is good to remove before 
distilling. But it also can leave behind some salts or other dissolved 
material which is bad after distilling.


Marshall


On 11/2/2010 11:15 PM, Beth wrote:

We got our distiller today/// yea!!
Just a question for those who home distill...
Why not use the carbon filter that comes with it?
Is this a protocol for making CS?
Do you think it conaminates the water?

I am also going to use my PPM hanna meter (its a pwt)
for the first time so that is the plan before I make my first
batch of CS. Testing everything.
Any suggestions are welcome.

Beth



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Re: CSdistiller/ppm/hanna meter

[Marshall Dudley]

If this is well water then that is likely calcium carbonate from 
underground limestone.  That would be about 250 or so ppm of hardness if so.


Marshall

On 11/3/2010 12:17 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

My tap water reads 288!  dee


On 3 Nov 2010, at 13:53, Beth wrote:


Actually I just realized that the temperature in my house
was not 77degrees. So this morning I reset the pwt meter using the
room temperature. I had to bring the calibration from 84 down to 76.
I wonder how that would impact my readings.

I am distilling water again.

Also, the distilled water read 2.8 last night but it was still warm
and this morning after it cooled down it read 0.7

I have to find the chart that helps me understand what that means in ppm.

I think if it reads 1.0 it means .4 ppm
My tap water reads 1   .  That is 1space space decimal point. So I believe
it is over its capacity!

Beth




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Re: CSCyst in neck

[Marshall Dudley]

Maybe by xray or examination. But I would simply try it and if it goes 
away, then it was organic, if not, then likely not.


Marshall

On 10/29/2010 7:36 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

Hi Marshall...how would that be determined?
thanks Debbie


*From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Fri, October 29, 2010 2:36:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSCyst in neck

If the cyst is organic, then serrapeptase might dissolve it.

Marshall

On 10/28/2010 8:25 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
My 80 year old father has been diagnosed with a cyst inside of his 
neck which is causing him allot of pain. They want to do surgery but 
my mother wanted me to see what people here in the group had to say 
about possibly destroying it taking something besides drugs. Any 
idea's or suggestion's surely will be appreciated by my parent's.

Thanks in advance,
Debbie

Re: CSCyst in neck

[Marshall Dudley]

If the cyst is organic, then serrapeptase might dissolve it.

Marshall

On 10/28/2010 8:25 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:
My 80 year old father has been diagnosed with a cyst inside of his 
neck which is causing him allot of pain. They want to do surgery but 
my mother wanted me to see what people here in the group had to say 
about possibly destroying it taking something besides drugs. Any 
idea's or suggestion's surely will be appreciated by my parent's.

Thanks in advance,
Debbie

Re: CSjust starting out

[Marshall Dudley]

On 10/28/2010 10:03 PM, Beth N/a wrote:

Hello
I found this list a few days ago and have been reading different 
threads for hours a day.
I started reading posts from back in 1999 when Donna turned grey and 
now reading the last

entry regarding nailbeds turning blue has definately caught my attention.

I bought my first bottle of sovereign silver (10ppm) about 3 weeks ago 
and used it with a nebulizer to beat the onset of colds etc. My DH was 
sick with a cold that made him lose his voice to start, then to sinus 
post nasal drip etc.
My kids and I also used it and we never got sick. My DS had sinus 
problems and it seemed to help him also.
I am not about to spend another $25 on 4 oz of CS so after doing some 
silver research, I decided to order my own generator.


I ordered the CST3 with timer (high voltage 33v output)
from goodvitality.com  It only uses a 9v battery so not sure how you 
get 33v output from that. However I have not yet used it.
While shopping for distilled water all I can find is steam distilled 
with ozone it it. I do not

want to use ozonated water to make cs! Do I?

All distilled water in the US has to have had ozone infused into it to 
make it sterile  before bottling.  Ozone lasts about 5 minutes then 
converts to oxygen in water, so there is none left by the time you buy it.


So now I am waiting for my distiller to arrive.
I read on silvergens website that you should distill water twice...not 
sure why but I will follow



That or buy high quality DS from a store.

that regime I guess.
I also went ahead and got a hanna pwt meter. I read that the pwt was 
better to use, for CS than just a cheap tds meter...


So basically I am a CSgenerating virgin.
But all of this info online still has me concerned about turning grey.
I would not want to feed this to my kids and have something happen to 
them either.


High quality EIS will not cause any problems in moderation. When taking 
high quantites, it can cause greying of the fingernail moons.  It seems 
that supplementing selenium=um and Vit. E will help prevent even that.


Marshall


I am not sure if the generator that I have will work as these others 
mentioned at puppy and silvergen.


Does anyone know anything about the goodvitality ones?
I dont want to make yellow product as they promote either. I will not 
be heating the

water. I have the generator but will follow my own protocol.

Im not sure about using an air pump because that is putting a plastic 
tube in the

water while creating cs...
I'm also not sure about generating cs in a plastic bucket?!
Would this not create a problem? Why all the hoot and holler about using
glass and then stick a plastic tube in the jar? hm...

Any help and suggestions are kindly welcome.

Beth

CSPlacebo fraud revisited

[Marshall Dudley]

Some time ago we discussed placebo fraud where the FDA allows any 
substance, no matter how poisonous, to be called not only a placebo, but 
even a sugar pill, in clinical trials of drugs. Of course the result is 
a drug which actually causes worse symptoms can be approved if they 
simply use a placebo which has more worse symptoms.


This article discusses a paper recently published that find these same 
things: http://www.naturalnews.com/030209_placebo_medical_fraud.html


Marshall


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Re: CSbluish fingernail beds

[Marshall Dudley]

See: http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Argyria

Some people who have taken large amounts of IES (several quarts or more 
a day) have reported blueing of the moons of their fingernails 
http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG. This can occur when the 
level of EIS exceeds some amount, which seems to vary depending on the 
person, and whether they are deficient in vitamin E and selenium or not. 
Vitamin E and selenium have a prophylactic effect on argyria, and on the 
blueing of the fingernail roots. Apparently taking silver over time can 
also cause a loss of selenium and even a deficiency. If you take EIS 
over long periods of time it is suggested that you supplement your 
selenium intake ( Natural sources of selenium are listed at Dietary 
Supplement Fact Sheet: Selenium 
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp, and Brazil nuts are 
very high in selenium). Anyway, the body disposes of silver by several 
routes ( see http://www.silvermedicine.org/AltmanStudy.pdf ), the 
kidneys, the liver, sweating, and by putting metals into hair and nails. 
The body collects excess amounts of metals in the nail bed to allow it 
to put those in the nails. If concentrations exceed some amount in the 
nail bed, then aggregation can occur, causing the nail bed to turn blue. 
Although this appears to be argyria of the fingernail moons, the 
mechanism is totally different. Also it is probably a pretty good 
warning that you might be taking more silver than you should, and unless 
you are taking it for a chronic condition, should cut back, and/or you 
should supplement with selenium.


On 10/26/2010 4:42 PM, Cecil Peebles wrote:

Having just joined, I don't exactly know who to submit my question to.
I have a question.  My fingernail beds have turned bluish.  I have had 
both medical doctors and alternative health practitioners look at 
them.  They do not know why, but are not concerned.


I use Trims’ silvergen  which produces crystal clear silver.  I drank 
about 6 oz of 13-17ppm each day for about 2 years.  Approx 6 months 
ago, my nailbeds started to turn the bluish color.  Has anyone had 
this happen from silver intake?


Thanks
Cecil Peebles 

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #850

[Marshall Dudley]

If you use the small night light type incandescent bulbs, and if you 
have a string of Christmas lights that use this same bulb, you likely 
have enough to last you for a few hundred years, so them being outlawed 
should not really be a concern.


Marshall

On 10/22/2010 6:06 PM, Dick Rochon wrote:


When incandescent bulbs are outlawed you can still use a small 
aquarium bubbler to circulate the solution when making CS, Mine cost $8.

--- From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #850



  No.
But making a florescent bulb that small would be very difficult [but 
not LED, but LED lights are notoriously dim ]
At a mere 4 to 7 watts, those **might* be exemptI can still get 6 
watt


230 volt filament candelabra bulbs from Australia which outlawed 
incandescents years ago.
 A  tiny halogen bulb will work...or a small nichrome wire heating 
element


Ode


At 12:31 PM 10/21/2010 -0500, you wrote:
One thought that came to me last night ... kind of out of the blue 
... but


it seems I heard something recently that they are going to complete 
phase out incandencent light bulbs ... I have not researched this 
and don't know


if this is every bulb (like night lights and appliance bulbs) or 
just normal household bulbs.  Random thought, but might be important 
if eventually there are no bulbs available for the thermal/light 
stirring device - Ode would it work with an LED or some type of 
flourecent bulb?


Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Melly Bag 
mailto:tita_...@yahoo.comtita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Jaxi,

Thanks for your reply. That will truly help  me in my decision which 
kit to buy.


Melly

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wrote:


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mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.comsilver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 


Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #850
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Re: CSMRSA - again

[Marshall Dudley]

Hydrochloric acid can be purchased for about $8 a gallon at Lowes or 
Home Depot.  I bought a gallon about 3 weeks ago at Home Depot myself.


Marshall

On 10/23/2010 1:16 PM, Saralou wrote:
When I want HCl for last-ditch laundry stain removal, I use The Works 
brand toilet bowl cleaner.   Ustabe it said 5% HCl-- current label 
doesn't.  I'd prolly try on a MRSA outbreak it but would never ever 
recommend it.


If you're in the States, there are some chemical supply houses from 
which you can purchase lab chemicals.  Here are a few links.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydrochloric-Acid-32-Lab-Grade-Reagent-/270604455151?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f01484cef
http://www.daigger.com/catalog/product/d-Safe-D/Safe-D+Educational+Chemicals/p-449963WBE/Hydrochloric+Acid
http://www.gfschemicals.com/statics/productdetails/HYDROCHLORIC_ACID_2586.html
http://titanreagents.com/HCL-reagent-tech.htm
http://www.piercenet.com/Products/Browse.cfm?fldID=77D92194-D795-2845-76D7-6DE8226076F6CFID=15017354CFTOKEN=15788491
http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/23000/SLH1462
http://www.reagent.co.uk/hydrochloric-acid.html


from one of Steve's conversationsI recommended using 
*Reagent grade iodine and iodide.* Reagent grade is the highest 
laboratory grade and is not pharmaceutical grade. Reagent grade has to 
be fairly pure for it's use in a lab. For example, many pharmaceutical 
drugs are made using Reagent grade chemicals.


On 10/23/2010 2:13 AM, Paula Samuels Anthis wrote:


Don't know where we could get Hydrochloric acid here in the boonies, 
maybe the high school?  If that becomes a possibility, how much do I 
need and does it come in different strengths?

Re: CScetyl myristoleate

[Marshall Dudley]

 I completely cured mine about 10 years ago with CMO.  At one point I 
was on crutches, but have no pain at all now.


Marshall

On 10/20/2010 9:11 PM, Day Sutton wrote:
I was diagnosed with Osteoarthritis last year.  Didn't have any pain 
until about 2 months ago.  I'd call it about a 4 or 5 out of 10.
Have it in both hips.  I seem to recall that someone on the list had 
success with cetyl myristoleate.  anyone remember something about it?


--
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Re: CSRe: silver puppy

[Marshall Dudley]

 Your ppm was high.  Initially the high concentration caused 
aggregation and the particles to grow larger, yielding the golden 
color.  When adding H2O2 the particles sizes decreased and you ended up 
with too much silver oxide to dissolve, thus giving the dark color.


Marshall

On 10/21/2010 12:22 PM, jaxi wrote:
Neville - it was a rather dark yellow versus the very faint light 
yellow I sometimes get, which didn't really bother me much, but when I 
later added the H2O2 it turned a dark murky brownish black sort of 
color and despite being left for several more days did not clear.  It 
was kind of cool looking and it may well have been fine to use for 
something, but I have to admit I was in no way comfortable consuming 
it, or spraying it on my body or my animals.  Especially when I had 
other batches which were clear.  I am guessing there was still some 
H2O2 residue in the jar during brewing and that impacted the final 
product.

Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com 
mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:


[I only had one batch turn out bad (dark yellow but still see
through...]

Bad???  Yellow is not bad!  Where'd you get that idea?  I know
we've learnt considerably more over the years and clear seems to
be the 'in colour' nowadays, but the occasional yellow batch is
perfectly OK.  Yellow was once the BEST colour if you dig back a
few years.  Whatever size those particles or particle
agglomerates are will still be bioavailable.

And if it's transparent {see thru} and stays that way for months
while in storage, that's the giveaway that there's nothing wrong
with it.  If it's not transparent but cloudy or you got
'something?' settling in the bottom of your storage vessels over
time due to gravity...then that's when I'D be concerned, otherwise
there's nothing wrong with it.

Clear or yellow is fine.

N.


Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:51:27 -0500
Subject: Re: CSRe: silver puppy
From: jaxi.sch...@gmail.com mailto:jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com


I did kit 2.  I like the magnetic stirrer but I am not sure one is
truly better than the other.  Someone on one of these lists uses
the light one and I think has a colored bulb in it.  She enjoys
the effect and uses it as a night light, plus is totally pleased
with her EIS.  I believe all of the puppies can be converted to
battery and Ode has the battery conversion pack available on the
site - it comes with AC wall connector.  I just got the basic and
plug it into the wall.  But then I don't travel much so having a
portable power source is not all that important for me.

On the auto setting (turns itself off when done) with the swap
(switches polarity every - 5-10 minutes can't recall exact cycle)
using room temp - which is in my basement and therefor perhaps a
bit cool - distilled water a quart takes 10-12 hours.  Faster is
not necessarily better.  Again the science geeks can explain all
that better than I can.  If not on swap or if you prewarm the
water I believe it goes faster if faster is needed.  I also know
some people seed their next batch with some from a previous
batch which also I think allows for faster production.  Again ask
the science geeks how that all works.  10-12 hrs is fine for me
because I just set it up and leave for work or go to bed or
whatever and when it is done it is done.  I can make 2 quarts a
day when in high need and that is plenty for my family.  When I
first started providing it for the dogs they were going through a
quart a day but now seem to be where they need to be and only
consume a little each day so my supply lasts much longer.  I make
up about 4 quarts at a time and then wait til I start to run low
and repeat.

I have been very happy.  I only had one batch turn out bad (dark
yellow but still see through and when I later added H2O2 it turned
dark and murky as all get out and never cleared - I tossed it) but
I had cleaned my brewing jar with H2O2 and although I thought I
had thoroughly rinsed it I was clearly incorrect.  The next batch
was totally normal.  Live and learn.

So ... the auto puppy fits perfect on a normal mouth quart jar -
if you like wide mouth he has a nifty converter for it - has
simple flip switches on top to determine manual versus auto and
swap versus not swap (I cannot recall what the other setting is
called ... lol and it is downstairs).  Stirrer is by personal
preference I think both work well just by different properties
(heat versus slow physical water displacement).  So I think you
would be well served by either.

IMO, YMMV, etc etc etc

Jaxi

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Melly Bag 

Re: CSMaking CS at home

[Marshall Dudley]

 This is detailed at http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#HP

Marshall

On 10/19/2010 7:31 PM, jaxi wrote:
Yes I use the quart size.  As for the H2O2 I started adding that after 
reading numerous posts on this list about it.  However, I am the wrong 
one to explain how it works.  I believe it helps reduce the size of 
any large particles, also if you have a slight yellow it helps it go 
clear.  Science geeks please explain it.  You can search the archives 
too.  Ode says 6 drops are plenty.  Some do more.


Jaxi

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net 
mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net wrote:


Jaxi, I too have a Silverpuppy and have been very happy with it.
Do you use a quart mason jar and how many drops of H2O2 do you put
in it and what’s the reason?

Lisa



*From:* jaxi [mailto:jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
mailto:jaxi.sch...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:31 PM


*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CSMaking CS at home

Preference and price I think, people speak highly of both.  If you
go to the main list website I believe there are links to both
Silvergen and Silverpuppy web sites or goggle them.  I researched
both (and several others out there) and settled on the silverpuppy
(the white domed one that sits on top of a jar) with the magnetic
stirrer.  I couldn't be happier.  Total plug and play.  Set it up
(auto and switch) and walk away.  When the light goes off it is
done.  I move it to a different jar, date it and put it in my hall
closet upstairs.  Once at least 3 days have passed I add the H2O2
and good to go for me, my partner and the many critters running
around my house (6 of them).  And every so often I make a uber
strong topical batch for spraying on stuff.

I know Ode at silverpuppy offers a money back guarentee.  Free
shipping too as I recall.  And he is active here on the list so if
you have questions as you get started he can answer.

Jaxi


On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Gene and Joann Porter
g...@teknett.com mailto:g...@teknett.com wrote:

**Thanks so much, Jaxi.  I think this is the way we will go.  What
is the difference between Silver Gen and Silver Puppy?**

**Gene/Joann**

- Original Message -

*From:* jaxi mailto:jaxi.sch...@gmail.com

*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com

*Sent:* Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:37 AM

*Subject:* Re: CSMaking CS at home

The simplest way to do it is to buy a device from silverpuppy
or silvergen that are plug and play devices.  I set mine up,
walk away, come back later and it's is made and done.  Auto
switching, stirring device and auto off when done.  Worth the
extra money.  I LOVE my silverpuppy.

Jaxi

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Gene and Joann Porter
g...@teknett.com mailto:g...@teknett.com wrote:

Dan,

Thanks so much for your response, the only one we received
regarding our problem.

As far as details are concerned:  we attempted three times to
do this procedure using the instructions written in Warren
Jefferson's book Colloidal Silver Today.  Are you familiar
with this book?

We were not able to see any yellow wisp or cloud on our
water.  We cleaned the rods as instructed, and it seemed to be
looking as though completed, after a couple of hours (the book
said 30 minutes should do it).

We are not chemists and are very disappointed that this is so
complicated.

We want to understand the simplest way possible of doing
this.  Do you have a recipe or formula which you think is the
best?  My husband, Gene,  made his home device from scratch
and we are wondering if we made a mistake somehow.  Could you
please help us?  I don't know what details you need from us.

We used distilled water and two silver rods, batteries, etc.

Thank you for your help.

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Re: CSLeg Cramps

[Marshall Dudley]

 This has to do with energy, the etheric body, and the interaction of 
the two. Since some members here seem to be confusing working with 
ehteric and orgone energys with Religion, I will be happy to discuss it 
further on the off topic list.


Marshall

On 10/15/2010 10:57 PM, jaxi wrote:

hhg???

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Marshall Dudley 
mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:


 Yes, soap transmutes DOR, and thus can be quite effective.
Orgonite would be better and have better range, but soap will
often work.  My wife used to get leg cramps almost every night,
but after putting an hhg under the bed they stopped completely.

Marshall



On 10/15/2010 9:01 PM, zzekel...@aol.com
mailto:zzekel...@aol.com wrote:


   Hi Dick,

   I know you did not ask, but here is my experience anyway.
 I have
   ongoing electrolyte issues and have found that potassium works
   better for my leg cramps

*I know this will sound like I'm way off my rocker. I know I
did when a friend ,{ several years ago } told me to  just try
it..  I would get killer cramps after a 5-6 mile hike...I put
a bar of soap--{ I think Caress ) {also use Irish Spring } ,
some say ivory is best } under my bed sheet...Don't laugh---I
have not had a cramp at night ever since...I e-mailed my
friends with the crazy idea  found that 3 of them do the same
thing---one girl even carries a bar of soap in her purse  has
one in her desk drawer to rub on her leg if she gets a cramp
during the day... I typed  leg cramps  soap   did a
 search. It's all there  it works for me...Lois*



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Re: CSLeg Cramps

[Marshall Dudley]

 It has to do with etheric and orgone energies. I will be happy to 
explain on the off topic list if you ask there.


Marshall

On 10/16/2010 5:10 AM, jessie70 wrote:

what is DOR? thx. Jess

-Original Message-
*From:* jaxi [mailto:jaxi.sch...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, October 15, 2010 10:57 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: CSLeg Cramps

hhg???

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Marshall Dudley
mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:

 Yes, soap transmutes DOR, and thus can be quite effective.
Orgonite would be better and have better range, but soap will
often work.  My wife used to get leg cramps almost every
night, but after putting an hhg under the bed they stopped
completely.

Marshall



On 10/15/2010 9:01 PM, zzekel...@aol.com
mailto:zzekel...@aol.com wrote:


   Hi Dick,

   I know you did not ask, but here is my experience
anyway.  I have
   ongoing electrolyte issues and have found that
potassium works
   better for my leg cramps

*I know this will sound like I'm way off my rocker. I know
I did when a friend ,{ several years ago } told me to 
just try it..  I would get killer cramps after a 5-6 mile
hike...I put a bar of soap--{ I think Caress ) {also use
Irish Spring } , some say ivory is best } under my bed
sheet...Don't laugh---I have not had a cramp at night ever
since...I e-mailed my friends with the crazy idea  found
that 3 of them do the same thing---one girl even carries a
bar of soap in her purse  has one in her desk drawer to
rub on her leg if she gets a cramp during the day... I
typed  leg cramps  soap   did a  search. It's all
there  it works for me...Lois*



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Re: CSMaking CS at home

[Marshall Dudley]

 It is not difficult. Get a Silvergen or Silver Pupply, put distilled 
water in it, and plug it in.  It is ready when the LED goes on (or off, 
depending on the model).


If you want to go to the trouble of making it yourself, then start with 
20 to 30 volts, and limit current to 1 mA per square inch of anode.  
Improved product is made by stirring, and reversing polarity every 
minute.  When the voltage reaches some target value, it is ready. The 
lower the voltage the higher the ppm.



Marshall

On 10/17/2010 9:17 AM, Gene and Joann Porter wrote:

Dan,
Thanks so much for your response, the only one we received regarding 
our problem.
As far as details are concerned:  we attempted three times to do this 
procedure using the instructions written in Warren Jefferson's book 
Colloidal Silver Today.  Are you familiar with this book?
We were not able to see any yellow wisp or cloud on our water.  We 
cleaned the rods as instructed, and it seemed to be looking as though 
completed, after a couple of hours (the book said 30 minutes should do 
it).

We are not chemists and are very disappointed that this is so complicated.
We want to understand the simplest way possible of doing this.  Do you 
have a recipe or formula which you think is the best?  My husband, 
Gene,  made his home device from scratch and we are wondering if we 
made a mistake somehow.  Could you please help us?  I don't know what 
details you need from us.

We used distilled water and two silver rods, batteries, etc.
Thank you for your help.
Joann, g...@teknett.com mailto:g...@teknett.com




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Re: CSRe: Help please

[Marshall Dudley]

 Since power is I*V then actually too much voltage across too little 
resistance, or too much current across too much resistance produces more 
power. The other formulas are I^2*R and V/(R^2)


On 10/15/2010 7:30 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


  Too much current across too little resistance turns into heat.
Increasing distance between the electrodes increases resistance and 
reduces current.
There are easier ways to control current without using the constantly 
changing CS as the resistor..like, with a potentiometer, or a current 
control diode, a voltage regulator wired to be a current regulator, or 
transistor feedback circuit.

Then you need to know when to stop and a timer won't generally tell you
that.

If all this is over your head, you need a generator that does it for 
you, automatically.


Ode



At 03:54 PM 10/14/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Experts,

I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it 
is short  from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown 
and cloudy again with plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at 
the bottom.  Worse still, first time it happened to me, while rinsing 
and cleaning the rods, i noticed that one had a waist like it was 
overly eroded at that part and ready to break off.  The jar got very 
warm and so with the rods.


What did i do wrong?

Thanks.

Melly



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Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM



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Re: CSLeg Cramps

[Marshall Dudley]

 Yes, soap transmutes DOR, and thus can be quite effective. Orgonite 
would be better and have better range, but soap will often work.  My 
wife used to get leg cramps almost every night, but after putting an hhg 
under the bed they stopped completely.


Marshall


On 10/15/2010 9:01 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:


Hi Dick,

I know you did not ask, but here is my experience anyway.  I have
ongoing electrolyte issues and have found that potassium works
better for my leg cramps

*I know this will sound like I'm way off my rocker. I know I did when 
a friend ,{ several years ago } told me to  just try it..  I would 
get killer cramps after a 5-6 mile hike...I put a bar of soap--{ I 
think Caress ) {also use Irish Spring } , some say ivory is best } 
under my bed sheet...Don't laugh---I have not had a cramp at night 
ever since...I e-mailed my friends with the crazy idea  found that 3 
of them do the same thing---one girl even carries a bar of soap in her 
purse  has one in her desk drawer to rub on her leg if she gets a 
cramp during the day... I typed  leg cramps  soap   did a  search. 
It's all there  it works for me...Lois*



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Re: CSIs the list quiet?

[Marshall Dudley]

 I did respond to that question some days ago.

Marshall

On 10/14/2010 2:49 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:

Hello all,

I have asked a couple of questions, and addressed one of them 
specifically to Marshall and Neyna.


What do you know about making a sol in Aloe Vera jell using silver 
rounds; and what silver compounds might it have?


Did I miss the response, or is no one interested?

TIA,

 Jim

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:07 AM, MaryAnn Helland 
marmar...@bellsouth.net mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:


Not wearing boots, Mike!  :-)  Fuzzy slippers,
tho  :-D
MA


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*Subject:* Re: CSIs the list quiet?

 Or have I been booted?  :-D
 MA

I dunno, MaryAnn, are you wearing boots? smile

It has been a little quiet.

Mike D.

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Re: CSPlease comment on this method

[Marshall Dudley]

 I had never heard of that method before.  There are certainly acids in 
aloe vera that would react with the ionic and produce salts.  But 
another factor makes it quite interesting, and that is the lack of 
mobility of the silver ions once they leave the anode. Without much 
mobility they would litterly jam up near the anode, and quite possibly 
become particles.


So the bottom line is that without some testing or good input from 
someone that has, I am not sure if it would result in high silver salts, 
high silver colloidal content, or both.


Marshall

On 10/11/2010 9:46 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:
Marshall and Neena, I will be grateful if you especially will review 
and comment.


I am intuitively suspicious of some silver salts being produced.

I know a man who deliberately turned himself blue using a sol made by 
a similar process.  It is reversing, and I do not know if he is doing 
anything to help that.


Does anyone know of variants of the method, using coins directly in 
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CSVaccine damages are no illusion

[Marshall Dudley]

 India has seen three vaccine disasters 
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/182722 in 2010, 
resulting in four deaths after the measles vaccine and six deaths after 
the HPV vaccine, so is it any wonder that the citizens of India are wary 
of having the H1N1 vaccine? The Indian public is not alone in refusing 
the vaccine, as Finland and Sweden have suspended the H1N1 vaccine by 
Glaxo Smith Kline, Pandermix, linking it to the sudden rise in the 
numbers of cases of the sleep disorder, narcolepsy. Finland reported 
that they have seen a staggering 300 percent rise in the cases of this 
extremely rare disorder in children who have had the vaccine.


Whole store is at:

http://blog.imva.info/medicine/vaccine-damages-are-no-one%E2%80%99s-illusion

Marshall


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Re: CSPterygium

[Marshall Dudley]

 I don't believe CS would assist, unless the growth is being caused by 
a pathogen.  Serrapeptase might help though.


Marshall

On 10/12/2010 12:18 PM, Carol Ann wrote:
Am wondering if anyone has info about whether CS might prove 
benificial for this condition, or alternatives.  Thank you.



Pterygium

*Pterygia* /definition.php?defID=279 are wedge- or wing-shaped 
growths of benign fibrous tissue with blood vessels (fibrovascular), 
typically located on the surface of the sclera. In extreme cases, 
pterygia may grow onto the eye's cornea and interfere with vision.
Because a pterygium resembles tissue or film growing over the eye, a 
person who has one may become concerned about personal appearance.
As with pingueculae, prolonged exposure to *ultraviolet* 
/definition.php?defID=341 light from the sun may play a role in the 
formation of pterygia.



Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html





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Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/7/2010 6:37 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Regarding making silver citrate:

I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.
That will only give you a silver citrate concentration of about 20 ppm 
or so max.

I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
hundreds of PPM at most.

I would definitely stay out of the sun with higher ppm silver citrate.

Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
(1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
started brewing today.
Silver citrate has a solubility of .28 g/l, or 280 ppm in cold water. 
This works out to be 58 ppm of silver, or about 2 1/2 time what one can 
get without the citrate. Much much higher in hot water. You will need 
approximately 0.007 ounces of citric acid for that to be balanced for a 
saturated quantity of silver citrate in 32 ounces of water.


Marshall

~David


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Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/8/2010 2:22 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
electrolyte concentrate (peltier electrolytes).  It seems it does
increase the effectiveness as reported by others.

What does it have in it. Does it have citric acid?

Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
more concern for argyria?

Maybe. I would avoid the sun for a couple of hours after taking it.

Marshall

~David

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Marshall Dudleymdud...@king-cart.com  wrote:

  On 10/7/2010 6:37 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Regarding making silver citrate:

I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.

That will only give you a silver citrate concentration of about 20 ppm or so
max.

I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
hundreds of PPM at most.

I would definitely stay out of the sun with higher ppm silver citrate.

Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
(1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
started brewing today.

Silver citrate has a solubility of .28 g/l, or 280 ppm in cold water. This
works out to be 58 ppm of silver, or about 2 1/2 time what one can get
without the citrate. Much much higher in hot water. You will need
approximately 0.007 ounces of citric acid for that to be balanced for a
saturated quantity of silver citrate in 32 ounces of water.

Marshall

~David


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Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?

[Marshall Dudley]

 I will have to experiment, but I think that added to EIS will produce 
silver sulfate. which is highly soluble. I think I have some H2SO4 
around for me to test with.


Marshall

On 10/8/2010 3:58 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

It has the following in 1 tablespoon
phosphorus (as potassium phosphate) 147 mg
magnesium (as magnesium chloride, magnesium sulfate) 8mg
chloride (as magnesium chloride, potassium chloride, sodium chloride) 135mg
sodium (as sodium bicarbonate, sodium chloride) 69mg
potassium (as potassium bicarbonate, potassium chloride, potassium
phosphate) 232 mg

~David



On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Marshall Dudleymdud...@king-cart.com  wrote:

  On 10/8/2010 2:22 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
electrolyte concentrate (peltier electrolytes).  It seems it does
increase the effectiveness as reported by others.

What does it have in it. Does it have citric acid?

Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
more concern for argyria?

Maybe. I would avoid the sun for a couple of hours after taking it.

Marshall

~David




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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #818

[Marshall Dudley]

 It does from my understanding cover areas of inflammation to block 
whatever is causing the inflammation from reaching the wall, covers 
areas of weak walls to prevent collapse, and seal leaky veins.  I guess 
the last one would correspond to your comment about plugging a hole 
although I think it will only work on small leaks or seeps.  Large holes 
are handled by clotting if at all.


Marshall

On 10/5/2010 7:12 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

Marshall,
I can't answer your question, all i remember is the story and  not to 
go over 40,000.  Sorry about that.
If i remember right, when one's vein or artery is damaged or has a 
hole, the cholesterol comes to plug it creating a plaque. Is this 
correct or am i confused?

Melly

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Re: CSMagnets for water treatment

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/6/2010 10:56 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
*How are the magnets set on the pipes ?? does it make a difference 
which pole is set in which direction ??   If the water is coming in 
from the well---should the north or south pole be set where the water 
comes ??? Lois *
It is set so that the magnetic field penetrates the pipe.  Normally two 
very strong magnets are used, one on each side, both facing the same 
direction, that is with the north of one toward the pipe and the south 
of the other magnet toward the pipe.  The best designs have a magnetic 
path from the back side of each magnet to the other so the only gap is 
through the pipe.  Just strapping the magnets onto a pipe without the 
magnetic path reduces the flux by about 5 or 10 to one.  Do not use on 
iron pipe, but ok for copper and plastic.


The last part of you question makes no sense.  The field is 
perpendicular to the water flow.


Marshall


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Re: CSPrill beads

[Marshall Dudley]

 He is using Magnetic Solutions which appears to be out of business. 
Their web site was http://www.scalefighter.com/ which is no longer found.


On 10/4/2010 6:16 PM, Leo Regehr wrote:

I place magnets around my shower hose, and it feels different.
Leo




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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #814

[Marshall Dudley]

 I really don't know.  My wife and I took 200,000 a day without any 
problems, but that does not mean that it might not give a problem to 
someone else.  If one has lots of time then your advise is probably the 
best. However it seems that a lot of people only find out about 
serrapeptase weeks or a month before scheduled surgery for blocked 
veins.  For them it is like being between a rock and a hard place, if 
they take too little they end up getting a dangerous an expensive 
surgery, and if they take too much it could lead to problems with plaque 
breaking off or veins collapsing.


Can you find out how much was taken by the other person who had 
problems?  If it was less than say 300,000 a day then I am definitely 
too high.  Is his friend the same person who reported the same problem 
here, or are we talking about two instances?


If you have plaque buildup then they are or were at one point inflamed.  
Inflammation is normally caused by pathogens, so colloidal silver can be 
a great first step before attempting removal with serrapeptase.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 7:10 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
Someone has posted in another group that a friend of his took too much 
serrapeptase that instead of dissolving the plaques, it broke off and 
caused a stroke.  He advised not to go over 40,000.  Is this correct, 
Marshall?  How does one know if the veins are inflamed?

Melly


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Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #814
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 4:22 PM




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Re: CShelp re cholesterol

[Marshall Dudley]

 Absolutely.

Marshall

On 10/4/2010 7:54 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

Marcshall,
If takeing low level anti-biotic's would lower inflamation wouldn't CS 
do the same job maybe?

thanks Deb


*From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, October 4, 2010 3:15:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: CShelp re cholesterol

  I concur with that completely.  Cholesterol being deposited in the
veins is not due to high cholesterol but to inflammation of the veins.
That is why research has found that anti-inflammation agents such as
aspirin, and low level antibiotics reduce this problem.  The correct
answer is to remove the inflammation, not remove the stuff to try and
reduce it.  If you get rid of the inflammation and take some
serrapeptase your veins will be as clean as a new born babe in a month.

Marshall




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Re: CSOn a personal note............

[Marshall Dudley]

 If one is in a hot environment sodium is also needed, significantly.  
Not only to replace the sodium lost through sweating, but according to 
the book Biological transmutations there is pretty good proof that the 
body will convert sodium to potassium, an endothermic NUCLEAR reaction, 
to keep the body's temperature DOWN to 98.8.  Of course mainstream 
science says this is impossible, but the evidence is really quite good.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 8:37 PM, sol wrote:
Craving for and high consumption of sodium can be an indicator of 
various imbalances. I would not be too quick to reduce sodium intake 
without investigating adrenal function and also getting the best most 
complete mineral balance analysis you can.
Some people need a high sodium intake, though that goes completely 
against current conventional medical opinion.

sol



On 10/1/2010 11:09 PM, Costumes wrote:
... Now if we could just get my Dad to stop eating salt and sodium 
 The Dr's told him he HAD to make improvements in his diet ... 
but he has no intention of doing it   He could care less about 
trying to do HIS PART to protect his health.  If your husband shares 
your desire for good health, then that will certainly be a huge 
blessing on his behalf !!!

jan



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Re: CShelp re cholesterol / serrapeptase

[Marshall Dudley]

 Yes, serrapeptase can help with nasal drip problems.  I have not heard 
of it helping arthritis. I cured my arthritis with CMO.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 10:08 PM, Del wrote:
I would like to mention that I have just begun taking serrapeptase 
(about 160,000 units per day - Doctor's Best) in hopes that it will 
reduce or cure my sinus problems.
I have always had constant post-nasal drip, and as I get older it is 
increasing.
This is especially bad for me as a singer, as the mucus frequently 
tangles around my vocal cords.
My wife told a friend to take serrapeptase for her arthritis (don't 
know why, haven't heard that it does anything for arthritis).  After a 
year, the friend told her that it had not helped her arthritis, but 
had cleared up her


sinus problems.
Here's hoping!

Del
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Subject: Re: CShelp re cholesterol / serrapeptase



 On 10/4/2010 3:29 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/4/2010 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
mdud...@king-cart.com writes:


If you get rid of the inflammation and take some
serrapeptase your veins will be as clean as a new born babe in a
month.

Marshall

*How much serrapeptase should one take ???  Lois*
I would take no more than 200,000 a day until they are clean, to give 
the body time to strengthen the vessels as the plaque is removed, and 
to also to prevent large chunks from breaking off.  Once the veins 
are clear, probably a month unless you have some virtually totally 
blocked veins, drop it to maybe 40,000 every day or probably every 
few days to keep them clean.


Marshall


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Re: CSSalt

[Marshall Dudley]

 How can a nation that is on an ocean be deprived of salt?

Marshall

On 10/5/2010 1:15 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote:
In Wild Swans the author described how the Japanese killed the Chinese 
by removing their salt supply - salt is essential to life - and 
diabetics are often salt addicts as the pancreas needs salt.


Jane

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Craving for and high consumption of sodium can be an indicator of
various imbalances. I would not be too quick to reduce sodium intake
without investigating adrenal function and also getting the best most
complete mineral balance analysis you can.
Some people need a high sodium intake, though that goes completely
against current conventional medical opinion.
sol



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Re: CSColloidal silver lozenges

[Marshall Dudley]

 I have never heard of colloidal silver lozenges, but there are silver 
acetate lozenges.  If you add vitamin C then the ionic part will become 
silver ascorbate. The only non sugar sweeteners that I am aware of which 
can be converted into hard candy are the sugar alcohols, such as xylitol 
malitol and so forth. Not sure if you would have any aggregation 
problems with boiling. The citric acid would cause aggregation, so it 
would need to be reduced to solid form relatively soon after adding it 
or any acid or base. Of course you could add sodium ascorbate instead 
which would have much less effect on the pH.  If boiling is a problem 
then they could be hardened by circulating warm air, or vacuum drying.


Marshall

On 10/5/2010 2:03 AM, Bethany Methven wrote:
I am working on coming up with a colloidal silver throat lozenge.  I 
am wondering if anyone else has experimented with them. Any input on 
whether or not I would alter the colloidal silver in a bad way if I 
added vitamin C, non sugar sweeteners and boiled them into a hard 
candy form?   I have had lots of people ask for me to come up with 
some new colloidal silver products and I'm wondering, after the 
colloidal silver is made, can I mess with the molecular structure in a 
bad way by boiling it with other substances?  I would love any feedback.

Thanks - Bethany

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Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar

[Marshall Dudley]

 Because you start with 2AgOH which converts to 2Ag + O + H2O.  They 
can combine because AgOH is neutral, the Ag+ cancels the OH- which is 
never bare.   It is possible that H+ ions in the water are involved, but 
don't know.


Marshall

On 10/5/2010 4:46 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



 How could the OH [-] ions ever combine with themselves against very 
strong repulsive forces any more than an Ag ion could?

 The mystery here is why ALL of the Ag ions don't become AgOH and AgO.

Why does conductivity stop dropping?

Ode


At 11:59 AM 10/4/2010 -0400, you wrote:

 I believe that the process is as follows:

1. the OH and H of the water molecule are attracted to opposite 
electrodes.
2. When the OH reaches the anode it reacts with a silver [ion] 
producing AgOH, that is silver hydroxide
3. The silver hydroxides tend to bang into each other and silver 
particles in colloidal form near the electrode and produce a silver 
particle or enlarge it.  The remaining OH combines producing water 
and oxygent.


Marshall

On 10/2/2010 3:13 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
What about 'repelled?'  If I understand the process correctly, 
doesn't it require a minimum voltage to cause the silver to be 
'repelled' from the electrode in the form of ions?


As those ions are in constant rapid movement in the water {I believe 
that's called Zeta potential} they collide with each other and some 
'stick' to each other {I believe that's called van der Waals force 
of mutual attraction/repulsion} forming atomic clusters of those 
silver ions...commonly referred to as 'particles', and as some may 
collide more than others that's where larger 'particles?' are formed.


Howzat Sir/Maam?  Am I close? Do I get a star? g

N.

 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:36:03 -0700
 From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 Hi Dan.  Thanks for that information.  I was using (and have been, 
for years) a
 term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by 
which silver
 particles leave the electrodes.  Oddly enough -- when I Googled 
it, they didn't
 even have that word spelled that way.  They have he word *sinter* 
-- and it does
 have a different meaning, you're right.  I will check a dictionary 
as well.


 So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated 
(howzat?) from the
 electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination 
results in

 agglomeration which becomes large particles.  Right?

 MA



 - Original Message 
  From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
 
  First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what

you
  are trying to describe.  It is inappropriate to use that word in 
this

  context.  Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it.
 
  Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are 
undercut

  and break off the electrodes in any significant way.
 
  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland
  marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   Hi Jan.  Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of 
the jar, that
   is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is 
therefore too
   large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water.  It 
could have
   been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or 
something

   less than perfect in the distilled water.

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Re: CSRe: Question Please

[Marshall Dudley]

 The only two that I have found any good around here are Kroger and 
Crystal Springs.  They both usually come in about .3 to .5 uS.  I almost 
always use the Kroger due to the price difference.  I have probably gone 
through 3,000 gallons of Kroger over the last decade without a bad 
bottle (well I have had leaky bottles, but none that were bad on 
contaminates)


Marshall

On 10/5/2010 10:24 AM, m1mar...@aol.com wrote:
   I have found that not all distilled water on the shelf is good for 
making Colloidal silver.   The only place that I buy mine now, is from 
Kroger.  The other two places that I was buying the water, resulted in 
cloudy water.  Where as, the Kroger brand comes out light amber.  
There are differences of opinions, about the color outcome, but I 
prefer the Amber.


Mike,
Sorry, i forgot to change the subject of the  previous post i made.
Below is my question:
How far should the silver electrodes be from the walls of the
glass bottle?  How far should it be apart from each other?  And
how far should it be from the bottom?
I've been making mud brews which of course i can't drink out of
fear so i just use it to wash veggies.
Many thanks.
Melly

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Re: CSOn a personal note............

[Marshall Dudley]

 I believe an alternative to cutting down on salt is to increase ones 
pure water consumption. What is important is the ratio of the two, if 
you drink plenty of water excess salt is easily flushed from the body.


Marshall

On 10/1/2010 11:09 PM, Costumes wrote:
... Now if we could just get my Dad to stop eating salt and sodium 
 The Dr's told him he HAD to make improvements in his diet ... but 
he has no intention of doing it   He could care less about trying 
to do HIS PART to protect his health.  If your husband shares your 
desire for good health, then that will certainly be a huge blessing on 
his behalf !!!

jan

Hi Jan.  Thanks in advance for the prayers -- it's appreciated.  And 
thanks also for the encouraging words -- your Dad was only in the 
hospital for 4 days?  Wow -- that's amazing.  I hope my husband does 
as well.  Thanks for your post -- it's given me a bright ray of hope.

MA


MaryAnn, my Dad (84) had his aortic replaced, and a tumor removed
from the mytral valve ... back in the spring, in Atlanta.  The
whole procedure went as smoothly as could be. He was in the
hospital for 4 days, and now his heart is stronger than ever ...
.  Will say some prayers for your hubby  :)
   jan

My husband is at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio right now. He will have
open-heart surgery on Tuesday (aortic valve replacement and cardiac
myeomectomy). I'll be driving there on Monday to be there for the
surgery, and
will remain in Cleveland while he's in the hospital. Of course,
I'm worried
about the surgery itself, but I'm more worried about the
opportunities for
infections while he's there. So I'm taking a gallon of CS -- is
that enough?
I'd also like to take some CS gel (courtesy of Ode's kit). I don't
know how the
hospital staff would feel about an unknown gel product on the
incision itself,
so I may not get that done until we're out of there. Any advice
from anyone
will be greatly appreciated.
MA





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Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/1/2010 11:36 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

Hi Dan.  Thanks for that information.  I was using (and have been, for years) a
term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by which silver
particles leave the electrodes.  Oddly enough -- when I Googled it, they didn't
even have that word spelled that way.  They have he word *sinter* -- and it does
have a different meaning, you're right.  I will check a dictionary as well.

So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated (howzat?) from the
electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination results in
agglomeration which becomes large particles.  Right?
Depends on the process. For the electrolytic process we use that is 
correct. Also for evaporation method it is true. But for sputtering 
method they are blown off as particles. There is only one company I know 
of which uses the sputtering method and they make almost 100% pure colloid.


Marshall
  


MA



- Original Message 

From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com

First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what you
are trying to describe.  It is inappropriate to use that word in this
context.  Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it.

Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are undercut
and break off the electrodes in any significant way.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland
marmar...@bellsouth.net  wrote:

Hi Jan.  Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of the jar, that
is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is therefore too
large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water.  It could have
been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or something
less than perfect in the distilled water.

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Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar

[Marshall Dudley]

 I believe that the process is as follows:

1. the OH and H of the water molecule are attracted to opposite electrodes.
2. When the OH reaches the anode it reacts with a silver atom producing 
AgOH, that is silver hydroxide
3. The silver hydroxides tend to bang into each other and silver 
particles in colloidal form near the electrode and produce a silver 
particle or enlarge it.  The remaining OH combines producing water and 
oxygent.


Marshall

On 10/2/2010 3:13 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
What about 'repelled?'  If I understand the process correctly, doesn't 
it require a minimum voltage to cause the silver to be 'repelled' from 
the electrode in the form of ions?


As those ions are in constant rapid movement in the water {I believe 
that's called Zeta potential} they collide with each other and some 
'stick' to each other {I believe that's called van der Waals force of 
mutual attraction/repulsion} forming atomic clusters of those silver 
ions...commonly referred to as 'particles', and as some may collide 
more than others that's where larger 'particles?' are formed.


Howzat Sir/Maam?  Am I close? Do I get a star? g

N.

 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:36:03 -0700
 From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 Hi Dan.  Thanks for that information.  I was using (and have been, 
for years) a
 term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by 
which silver
 particles leave the electrodes.  Oddly enough -- when I Googled it, 
they didn't
 even have that word spelled that way.  They have he word *sinter* -- 
and it does
 have a different meaning, you're right.  I will check a dictionary 
as well.


 So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated (howzat?) 
from the

 electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination results in
 agglomeration which becomes large particles.  Right?

 MA



 - Original Message 
  From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
 
  First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what you
  are trying to describe.  It is inappropriate to use that word in this
  context.  Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it.
 
  Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are undercut
  and break off the electrodes in any significant way.
 
  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland
  marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   Hi Jan.  Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of 
the jar, that
   is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is 
therefore too
   large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water.  It 
could have
   been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or 
something

   less than perfect in the distilled water.

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Re: CSDave Darrin remove from list

[Marshall Dudley]

 I agree.  One has multiple  bodies, the physical, astral and spiritual 
to name a few.  Healing one without the other never leads to long term 
success.  One needs to be holistic in that ALL bodies should be healed.  
Adding intent to anything physically done is just as important as the 
physical stuff. That was the secret of The Secret.


Marshall

On 10/2/2010 4:03 PM, Sandy wrote:

No doubt I'll regret this but just so you know, Dave what Robert said was in no 
way religious...it was spiritual. Had he invoked the name of a church or some 
church doctrine oe was trying to force his views on you then you could consider 
that religious. You might want to learn the difference.

Besides, from what I can tell Robert was not addressing his comment to you.

Doesn't Mike also have some sort of rule about being civil?

Sandy

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Now maybe you understand why Mike says to keep religion off the list.
By the way take me off this list doesn't unsubscribe
  you.
Dave


  











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Re: CSDave Darrin remove from list

[Marshall Dudley]

 There is no such thing as no particular religion.  That is like saying 
no particular disease, all disease is a particular disease, or it is not 
a disease at all.  Discussing spiritual topics as to health is allowed, 
discussing religion, even in the abstract like you are doing is not 
allowed. Please take any discussions on religion to the off topic list 
where I will be happy to explain your error in logic.


Marshall

On 10/2/2010 11:50 PM, Dave Darrin wrote:

Not any particular religion but religion never the less. Get real!
Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com 
mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote:


No doubt I'll regret this but just so you know, Dave what Robert
said was in no way religious...it was spiritual. Had he invoked
the name of a church or some church doctrine oe was trying to
force his views on you then you could consider that religious. You
might want to learn the difference.

Besides, from what I can tell Robert was not addressing his
comment to you.

Doesn't Mike also have some sort of rule about being civil?

Sandy

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Now maybe you understand why Mike says to keep religion off the list.
By the way take me off this list doesn't unsubscribe
 you.
Dave













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Re: CSDave Darrin remove from list

[Marshall Dudley]

 You are perfectly welcome to substitute whatever you want for God.  
Creator, Almighty, all that is, universe, angels, the great spirit, the 
solar system's nexus or whatever, it does not matter. It is the thought 
that counts and which carries the energy to heal.


Marshall

On 10/3/2010 12:52 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Quote: Use the power of thought and hands of *God *and place what 
ever you  want to on his incision  if  it is for his highest good.  I 
infuse *God's* Divine Love into this situation end quote.


Well if that don't smack of religion I dunno what does slapping 
forehead...?  If he meant Ra the sun god, the sacred cow of India, or 
Inca, Mayan or Aztec human sacrifice, then he should have made that 
clear and it probly wouldn't have been so offensive.


Some reserve the right to NOT subscribe to such ideals, and that right 
should be RESPECTED!


N.

Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 20:50:10 -0700
Subject: Re: CSDave Darrin remove from list
From: davedar...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Not any particular religion but religion never the less. Get real!
Dave

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com 
mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote:


No doubt I'll regret this but just so you know, Dave what Robert
said was in no way religious...it was spiritual. Had he invoked
the name of a church or some church doctrine oe was trying to
force his views on you then you could consider that religious. You
might want to learn the difference.

Besides, from what I can tell Robert was not addressing his
comment to you.

Doesn't Mike also have some sort of rule about being civil?

Sandy

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Now maybe you understand why Mike says to keep religion off the list.
By the way take me off this list doesn't unsubscribe
 you.
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Re: CSremove from list

[Marshall Dudley]

 Please either unsubscribe or take this to the off topic list. 
Religions topics are not allowed here!!


Mike, where are you.

Marshall

On 10/3/2010 11:21 AM, Dave Darrin wrote:

Dee
Thank you for the insight.
The biggest Con man on earth is the Pope and followed by millions who 
don't know better( sheep?)

Enough said on this subject. Lets just drop it like a hot potato.
Dave

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org 
mailto:d...@deetroy.org wrote:


But it could be offensive to those who don't subscribe to the god
theory and see it as a mighty con by control freaks.  However, I'm
sure it was kindly meant by the poster.  dee


On 2 Oct 2010, at 20:56, needling around wrote:

 As one who has spent years studying it, I would hardly call what
was offered religion and I, personally, did not find it
offensive... merely a kindness offered from one list member to
another.
 Rev. PT
 - Original Message -
 From: Dave Darrin
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 3:26 PM
 Subject: Re: CSremove from list

 Now maybe you understand why Mike says to keep religion off the
list.
 By the way take me off this list doesn't unsubscribe you.
 Dave

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Re: CSDave Darrin remove from list

[Marshall Dudley]

 Posting to a forum is always a problem. As one progresses spiritually 
they find that at some point they realize that giving information to 
someone that does not want it is infringing on their free will.  While 
this can be easily avoided on a one on one situation, for a forum it is 
impossible, for to maintain a level of knowledge no higher than the 
lowest calibrating  member will not assist anyone. One has to shoot more 
for the average level of the list.  For instance there are things I post 
on the off topic list which I will not post here because it would 
infringe on the belief system of some of those on this list.  
Unfortunately Dave calibrates much much lower than the average person on 
this list (25 vs 565), and it is very obvious that he is misplaced, this 
is not the forum  for him.  He needs to find a list that calibrates no 
more than 200 which is the neutral point to be comfortable and where his 
free will to believe what he wants is not being infringed on.


Marshall

On 10/3/2010 2:09 PM, Malcolm wrote:

Attacking someone's spiritual offering as obscene bullshit qualifies
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CSPrill beads

[Marshall Dudley]

 About 6 months ago we had a discussion here or on the off topic list 
about Prill beads.  I purchased some not knowing what, if anything to 
expect.  When they arrived I washed them as the instructions indicated 
an put them into our water container which we fill with desalinized water.


I can now report some very definite and observable results.  I would 
normally have to drain and use acid on the inside of the container every 
month or two to remove all the scale that would form on the inside.  Not 
only have I not had to do this, there is still absolutely no scale 
forming at all, not even a trace.


I had been puzzled by this for a while, but the thread recently on the 
water structuring through via a vortex in a magnetic field I think might 
hold the key.


Water undergoing shear in a magnetic field gets restructured.  According 
to Brookes this results in among other things an increase in 
solubility.  I also know that my son uses magnets on his house water 
which appear to stop all scaling in his pipes by the same mechanism.  
The only way I know that scaling in my water container could have been 
stopped is if the solubility of the water was increased so the scale 
does not form and even will dissolve.  Thus I believe that one effect of 
Prill beads is a restructuring of the water, similar if not identical to 
that which the magnetic vortex produces.


Marshall


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Re: CShelp re cholesterol

[Marshall Dudley]

 I concur with that completely.  Cholesterol being deposited in the 
veins is not due to high cholesterol but to inflammation of the veins.  
That is why research has found that anti-inflammation agents such as 
aspirin, and low level antibiotics reduce this problem.  The correct 
answer is to remove the inflammation, not remove the stuff to try and 
reduce it.  If you get rid of the inflammation and take some 
serrapeptase your veins will be as clean as a new born babe in a month.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 2:09 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I have read in many knowledgeable sources that 'high' cholesterol is 
irrelevant.  We all need cholesterol all the time to repair everything in our 
bodies.  The brain is largely cholesterol so to try and reduce it would be 
madness in my opinion.  Also, we are all different and what might be deemed 
high by the medics, could indeed be perfectly normal for *that* person so to 
mess with it could potentially be disastrous!  dee

On 4 Oct 2010, at 18:12, needling around wrote:


A friend in his 30s has been found to have high cholesterol.  I did some 
research in the archives and sent along some info.  I was wondering if anyone 
had any specific recommendations for this situation.  He is not overweight.
Thanks.
PT




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Re: CShelp re cholesterol / serrapeptase

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/4/2010 3:29 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/4/2010 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
mdud...@king-cart.com writes:


If you get rid of the inflammation and take some
serrapeptase your veins will be as clean as a new born babe in a
month.

Marshall

*How much serrapeptase should one take ???  Lois*
I would take no more than 200,000 a day until they are clean, to give 
the body time to strengthen the vessels as the plaque is removed, and to 
also to prevent large chunks from breaking off.  Once the veins are 
clear, probably a month unless you have some virtually totally blocked 
veins, drop it to maybe 40,000 every day or probably every few days to 
keep them clean.


Marshall


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Re: CSremove from list

[Marshall Dudley]

 There is also a character missing after the Subject, I think a 
colon. As a result the subject is totally blank in the email.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 3:38 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

I notice that if you click the Unsubscribe link below you get a
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Re: CShelp re cholesterol

[Marshall Dudley]

 LOL. Statistically exactly half the population would have higher then 
average and half would have lower than average cholesterol, so if the 
heart attack statistics are the same that means that cholesterol has 
little if any effect.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 3:42 PM, Alan Jones wrote:
I also agree.  Also, I have read that only about half of heart attack 
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Re: CSPrill beads

[Marshall Dudley]

 Yes it was lime scale, specifically calcium carbonate.

Marshall

On 10/4/2010 3:18 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:


I can now report some very definite and observable results.  I would
normally have to drain and use acid on the inside of the container
every
month or two to remove all the scale that would form on the
inside.  Not
only have I not had to do this, there is still absolutely no scale
forming at all, not even a trace.

*Hi Marshall, What is the scale  you mention ??? Is it lime ???  Our 
water has a heavy lime content  it does cause trouble at times... Lois*



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Re: CSPrill beads

[Marshall Dudley]

 I will try to find out which units he got.  There are a quite a few 
companies offering them.  He has one between his well and tank, another 
between his tank and house and another between his tank and ground water 
heat pump.  I think he has a 4th going into his hot water heater.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 4:00 PM, Lisa wrote:

Marshall,

I'm interested in knowing just how your son uses magnets on his house water.
How and where does he place the magnets (and of what size)?

Lisa

***


{snip}

Water undergoing shear in a magnetic field gets restructured.  According
to Brookes this results in among other things an increase in
solubility.  I also know that my son uses magnets on his house water
which appear to stop all scaling in his pipes by the same mechanism.

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Re: CShelp re cholesterol

[Marshall Dudley]

 Any brand would probably prove satisfactory, but I think you can get 
better price per unit if you get it in 40,000 or 50,000 units.  I do 
konw that the Drs Best brand has proven effective for a number of people.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 4:35 PM, Sandee George wrote:
Hi There Marshall, I know we have had this question asked before, 
however I just went to solaray website and found the following and 
would like your comment on same or if you have a better suggestion - 
thanks

Regards
Sandee


Quantity   4
Item ID 12719
Solaray - Serrapeptase - 90ct - 20,000 Units @ 10.50 each $42.00
Subtotal
$42.00
Shipping/Handling:
$6.00


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Re: CS Distilled Water of .000

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/2/2010 9:01 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

Thanks very much for that Marshall, much appreciated.

On re-reading my comments I did notice two oversights on my part, I 
forgot about the accuracy % factor in meters, and I overlooked the 
stupidly simple uS and TDS equivalent or conversion, sorry about 
that.  My constant oversights of the simple and obvious are quite 
frustrating at times.


A final comment if you will, as your closing comment was significant 
to a thought which has been rattling around in my head for some 
time...endothermics.


I've considered for some time that the action of ions colliding in an 
aqueous solution must generate some form of energy as they break 
through that energy barrier or Nernst or double layer surrounding the 
ion, and the result of those impacts could only generate one form of 
energy...heat.  It would not be the actual impact of those ions or 
particles necessarily which generates energy as positive and negative 
simply attract as a natural law of unlike poles attracting, but rather 
it would be the friction created via the *breaking through of that 
energy barrier* which surrounds the ion.  Would that assumption be 
correct?


In the molecular and atomic world motion and heat are different ways of 
expressing the same thing.  So if you consider something forcing its way 
through the energy barrier, that takes energy to do so, and the result 
is a drop in velocity, in some cases to near 0, and a LOSS of heat. That 
is it would tend to be endothermic..  It would take energy to penetrate 
the barrier, and the kinetic energy of the particle or molecule would 
have been converted to potential energy when it does so. Only kinetic 
energy shows up as heat thus thus this would result in a loss of themal 
energy..


Marshall


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Re: CS Distilled Water of .000

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/2/2010 2:57 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Oh, I think I see.  I would have thought that if one meter which has 
resolution increments of '.1' shows a reading *higher* than '1.', then 
the meter which reads in increments of 1 would display 1 instead of 
000 when the first meter registers higher than 1 initially?
That is true generally. But when you add in accuracy it might still give 
a zero, if for instance it has an accuracy of .5 and thinks the water is 
reading .4 because it is off .5 on the accuracy.
  If that's your ...water which is 0.4... thing then I'll have to do 
some reading up.


Example:  My records show the Com100uS reading has to exceed 2.6 
before the ComTDS3 reading moves from 000 to 001ppm
That makes sense.  2.6 on uS will be equivalent to 1.3 on the TDS, and 
if the accuracy is no better than .3, than that is quite possible.

.

As most meters are set up or calibrated taking a water temperature 
compensating factor into account, would this also have a bearing on 
the apparant different readings from one manufacturers meter to another? 

It can, that would reflect in the accuracy or precision/repeatability.
Meaning, not only the calibration fluid used, but also the built in 
temperature compensation may have an influence on the reading of a uS 
meter compared to a ppm or TDS meter as stated above?
Yes, the calibration fluid and water being tested need to be at the same 
temperature.


Example:  My records show the ComTDS3 *always* shows a higher water 
temperature of DW straight from the bottle anywhere between 
1 to 1.8 degrees compared to the Com100uS meter, is the aforesaid an 
explanation for that?
A constant offset should not be that significant in being a problem as 
long as both are calibrated and used at the same temperature.


Curiously, after EIS/CS production that temperature difference in the 
majority of cases seems to reduce after the solution has been in 
storage for a while, like down to 1 degree or lower, I find it rather 
strange that it doesn't remain the same difference as it was straight 
from the bottle.
It is quite possible that aggregation is endothermic (in fact if you 
have two particles colliding that stick together, then you will have 
less kinetic motion, and thus possibly a reduction in temperature).


Marshall


N.

 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 23:14:28 -0400
 From: mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000

 On 10/1/2010 9:16 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
  OK.
 
  Not that I'm overly concerned with meter readings particularly but
  here are some figures if they are of any value.
 With some of these one could certainly get 0, since they lack the
 resolution to measure less than 1. For water which is 0.4 of what they
 are measuring they would measure:
  ..
 
  Com ec/tds/temp...resolution ec 0-99: .1uS, 100-999: 1uS
  #I don't use the tds function.
 0.4
 
  Com tds3...range 0-9990ppm (mg/L)
 0
 
  Hanna tds1...range 0-999ppm (mg/L), resolution 1ppm
 0.

 That is why it is so important to know what the resolution is when 
water

 is highly non conductive. I do my measurement with a meter that has a
 resolution of .1 uS, and thus have never seen 0. If I were to use one
 of the other meters I would see 0 all the time, but they would not
 really be 0, just lower than the resolution of the instrument.

 Marshall
 



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Re: CSRebuttal from ABC

[Marshall Dudley]

 Anyone who states that obviously knows nothing about chemistry at 
all.  Ionic is compounds, an particles are colloid.  The first is in 
solution and the second makes up the colloid.  That ionic adds nothing 
to the healing process is nonsense, silver sulfathiazole and sivler 
nitrate have been mainstays for the medical profession for a century and 
they are of course both ionic forms of silver.  Also Robert Becker 
showed quite conclusively in his book The Body Electric that ionic 
silver aids tremendously in healing, and of course the silver bandages 
and other forms of healing that the medical community now use for things 
like burns would not work either if ionic silver were useless.


Marshall

On 9/30/2010 11:24 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

Yes -- but Marshall -- what about his assertion that large particle and ionic
silver are the same thing?  And that ionic silver adds nothing to the healing
process?
MA



- Original Message 

From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

   I don't know where he is getting these ideas. That there is a
fundamental difference between metallic and ionic silver is a mainstay
of this group, and to say that no one here is willing to accept that
fact is laughable.  He is ranting a lot, but not providing any
information that I can see, more like shoot the messenger.

Marshall

On 9/30/2010 12:07 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on

the

use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC.  Who is Don,
anyway -- anyone know?  I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts

here,

so that I can respond back.  Thanks.
MA

This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not

kindso I

am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only

drives

them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them

to

learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the

science

with the general public.
Begin forwarded message:

From: infoi...@lifesilver.com

Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT

Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients

Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem,

though. I

was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as

this

one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and

pure

elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the

very

fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted

as

heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could
convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved

on.

Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of

silver

are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver
ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron

charge,

readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter

the

organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and

add

nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but

something

else. This is why they are


The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative

electron

charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other

chemical

relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of

the

organism, as they do not form compounds.

Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are

locked

into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for
pennies? It all the same stuff.

I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible,
independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother?

They

either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved.

You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical

Studies

page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has

taken

down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the

Penn

State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the

3rd

US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle.


Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some

people

will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the

past

18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer,

MS),

but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that

they

contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two,

that

I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They

were

both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour.

Sigh...

I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful.

Don


On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM

Re: CS MaryAnn

[Marshall Dudley]

 I have neve seen distilled water come in at 0. What are you testing 
with and what is it's resolution?


Marshall

On 9/30/2010 11:43 PM, Costumes wrote:

MA,
I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero.
Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4, 
with the silver particles, and they were all around 11.
Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3, 
without the silver particles, and it was 5.

So ... I guess Im moving right along  ;
jan



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Re: CS Distilled Water of .000

[Marshall Dudley]

 Those number don't mean anything to me without researching each of 
them. What is important is the resolution of each.  If the resolution is 
100 uS for instance than anything less than 50, and maybe less than 100 
will register 0.  Since the expected readings should be between .2 and 3 
or so, the meter must be able to measure and display such readings.


Marshall

On 10/1/2010 6:37 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
I don't use a PWT meter but the Com 100 EC/TDS/TEMP meter has *never* 
shown zero, the Com TDS3 shows zero in practically *every bottle* 
of DW I've ever bought, and the Hanna TDS1 shows zero on the *odd* 
occasion.  I use El Cheapo Black and Gold DW from Foodland, or IGA I 
think it's now called.


N.

 From: oha...@juno.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000
 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:16:20 -0400

 Marshall, the only place I have seen and used distilled water which
 tests on my PWT at .000 was in Australia, Perth to be exact, this
 distilled water is made specifically for those with kidney problems,
 and for the Kidney Foundation. I went to the factory which produces
 it and you should see the machinery they have for making same. You
 would delight in the factory it is a beauty to be sure, clean as a
 whistle and smooth as a babies bottom
 operationally !
 Take good care
 Regards
 Sandee


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Re: CS MaryAnn

[Marshall Dudley]

 Resolution has a very specific meaning.  To define a measuring 
instrument you have to know the range, accuracy, repeatability or 
precision, and resolution.  The understand what these terms mean see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision


http://www.firsttenangstroms.com/faq/Resolution.html also discusses the 
different terms.


If your instrument has a readout that only reads integers, then the 
resolution would likely be 1, in the case of a TDS ppm, or for 
conductivity uS.  If it has one digit after the decimal it would be .1 
uS if it displays .1, .2, .3, .4 and so forth, but would be .5 uS if it 
displays .0, .5, .1.0 only. Giving a result which is more precise than 
the resolution of the instrument measuring it is meaningless.  For 
instance if you have a thermometer that reads in degrees F with no 
decimal part, and it reads 72, you cannot claim that the temperature is 
72.0 since the measurement could be off by .5 or even .999 degree.


Marshall





On 10/1/2010 7:23 PM, Costumes wrote:
I tested my DW w the Hanna Tester from wishgranted.com. Prior to 
brewing my CS, the unaltered DW was 0.

Not sure what you mean by resolution ??
  jan

  I have neve seen distilled water come in at 0. What are you testing
with and what is it's resolution?

Marshall

On 9/30/2010 11:43 PM, Costumes wrote:
 MA,
 I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero.
 Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4,
 with the silver particles, and they were all around 11.
 Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3,
 without the silver particles, and it was 5.
 So ... I guess Im moving right along  ;
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Re: CS Distilled Water of .000

[Marshall Dudley]

 On 10/1/2010 9:16 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

OK.

Not that I'm overly concerned with meter readings particularly but 
here are some figures if they are of any value.
With some of these one could certainly get 0, since they lack the 
resolution to measure less than 1.  For water which is 0.4 of what they 
are measuring they would measure:

..

Com ec/tds/temp...resolution ec 0-99: .1uS, 100-999: 1uS
#I don't use the tds function.

0.4


Com tds3...range 0-9990ppm (mg/L)

0


Hanna tds1...range 0-999ppm (mg/L), resolution 1ppm

0.

That is why it is so important to know what the resolution is when water 
is highly non conductive.  I do my measurement with a meter that has a 
resolution of .1 uS, and thus have never seen 0.  If I were to use one 
of the other meters I would see 0 all the time, but they would not 
really be 0, just lower than the resolution of the instrument.


Marshall


I haven't written down the accuracy % for each as that's irrelevant to 
me in my kitchen as opposed to laboratory controlled temperature 
environment.


N.

 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:09:59 -0400
 From: mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000

 Those number don't mean anything to me without researching each of
 them. What is important is the resolution of each. If the resolution is
 100 uS for instance than anything less than 50, and maybe less than 100
 will register 0. Since the expected readings should be between .2 and 3
 or so, the meter must be able to measure and display such readings.

 Marshall

 On 10/1/2010 6:37 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
  I don't use a PWT meter but the Com 100 EC/TDS/TEMP meter has *never*
  shown zero, the Com TDS3 shows zero in practically *every bottle*
  of DW I've ever bought, and the Hanna TDS1 shows zero on the *odd*
  occasion. I use El Cheapo Black and Gold DW from Foodland, or IGA I
  think it's now called.
 
  N.
 
   From: oha...@juno.com
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: Re: CS Distilled Water of .000
   Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:16:20 -0400
  
   Marshall, the only place I have seen and used distilled water which
   tests on my PWT at .000 was in Australia, Perth to be exact, this
   distilled water is made specifically for those with kidney problems,
   and for the Kidney Foundation. I went to the factory which produces
   it and you should see the machinery they have for making same. You
   would delight in the factory it is a beauty to be sure, clean as a
   whistle and smooth as a babies bottom
   operationally !
   Take good care
   Regards
   Sandee
  
  
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Re: EXTERNAL:CSCS and MRI

[Marshall Dudley]

 Although you are correct about silver particles not reacting, bulk 
silver is another matter.  If you wear a silver ring into one it will 
either turn red hot, or rip your finger off as it flys off into the 
distance.


Marshall

On 9/30/2010 7:08 AM, Steve G wrote:
There is NO chance of silver reacting to the MRI.  Only ferrous metals 
containing the element Iron can react to magnetism.Silver, being 
an element, is by definition non-ferrous.  Magnets are equally 
ineffective with silver, gold, bronze, aluminum, and watermelons.


http://eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/humor/lc.jpg

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/kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com/* wrote:



From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:CSCS and MRI
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 5:14 AM


Is there the

remotest possibility that the infinitely small silver
particles can
react to the strong magnetism of the MRI machine?


I've somehow missed the original message and only saw the reply.
Anyway I had an MRI body scan earlier this year. I had asolutely
no problems. I take silver erratically but fairly often. I don't
take it every day but always have it with me and can go through a
bottle (500mls) in a day or two if my stomach, throat etc is bad.

The questions they asked before the scan were quite thorough. For
instance, many years ago I tore a hole in the cornea of my eye and
since I didn't know what had caused that, they insisted on
x-raying it first to check there were no metal fragments. I never
thought about the silver but as I said, I had no problems.

Cheers
Kirsteen






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Re: CSRebuttal from ABC

[Marshall Dudley]

 I don't know where he is getting these ideas. That there is a 
fundamental difference between metallic and ionic silver is a mainstay 
of this group, and to say that no one here is willing to accept that 
fact is laughable.  He is ranting a lot, but not providing any 
information that I can see, more like shoot the messenger.


Marshall

On 9/30/2010 12:07 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the
use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC.  Who is Don,
anyway -- anyone know?  I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here,
so that I can respond back.  Thanks.
MA


This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I

am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives
them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to
learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science
with the general public.
Begin forwarded message:

From: infoi...@lifesilver.com

Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT

Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients

Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I
was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this
one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure
elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very

fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as
heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could
convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on.

Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver

are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver
ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge,
readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the
organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add
nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something

else. This is why they are


The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron

charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical
relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the
organism, as they do not form compounds.

Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked
into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for
pennies? It all the same stuff.

I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible,
independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They
either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved.

You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies

page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken
down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn
State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd
US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle.


Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people
will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past
18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS),
but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they
contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two, that
I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They were
both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour.

Sigh...

I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful.

Don


On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM, Biochemist wrote:
Hello Don,  Having a problem with a group of people on my list who are defending

the use of CS on horses for long termfollowing is a document of our
conversations...need some help here...from ABC..  Thanks,


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Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study

[Marshall Dudley]

 Can you specifically tell me what in that paper cannot be explained by 
the known actions under such conditions of:


1. Small amounts of silver nitrate or silver oxide combined with HCl and 
converted to silver chloride which precipitated out except for about .8 ppm.
2. The colloid aggregated from the drop in pH and also precipitated 
out.  Figure 5 indicates to me that the major conversion was from very 
small consistent sized particles to much broader and varying sized 
particles.  The very small area under the curve of the HCl peaks tend to 
indicate that very very little HCl was formed, as would be expected if 
from residual nitrate or dissolved oxide, and the large increase in the 
background indicate that a broad spectrum of particle sizes were 
formed which is what would be expected if the particles aggregated and 
dropped out of the solution.


I think one should go by prosaic explanations first, and only resort to 
exotic explanations when the standard ones prove unsupported.


Marshall

On 9/30/2010 12:27 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshal,

Thank you very much for the article. Here are some comments on the
study.

The sequence of events I as read them are:

1) 2 versions of silver nanoparticles were created. One using silver
nitrate giving a range of particles from 2 to 18 nm and averaging 8.2
nm. This was called Solution A. The second used silver oxide as the
source and had particle sizes similar to the silver nitrate version.
This was called Solution B. The tests were performed using the silver
nitrate based version. I see no instance where the silver oxide version
(Solution B) was used.

2) A solution was also created using large commercially available silver
particles (200 mesh). This was used only for the test demonstrating that
bulk silver does not react with HCl. That is the test that involved 3
days of magnetic stirring. It showed no creation of silver chloride
after the 3 days.

3) The concentration of the HCl used was approximately 18.5% HCl.

4)HCl was added to Solution A and a white product was formed
immediately. X-ray powder diffraction (XRD) confirmed that little Ag+
remained in solution and that AgCl was created. This was further
confirmed by a UV-vis absorption test that verified the disappearance of
the Ag+ absorption peak at 302 nm.

5) The chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles in the polymer matrix has
also been investigated. Figure 5 shows results similar to (4) above.
AgCl was created.

6) The test mentioned in (2) above was performed verifying that bulk
silver does not react with HCl.


I would have to say that it appears to me that the tests did indeed
demonstrate that Ag nanoparticles have an unusually high chemical
nanoreactivity in the reaction with hydrochloric acid. And a
surprisingly rapid conversion to silver chloride.

  - Steve N



-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:23 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens


   I now have the full article. Anyone wanting it please let me know and
I will email it to you.

There are some problems with their methodology.

1. They say they make CS by two methods, one which leaves a residue of
silver nitrate in the solution, and the other which does not. I cannot
find which one they used for the data they are producing.
2. They say that they remove all AgO2 from the non-nitrate solution by
centrifuge.  Fact is that it is impossible to removed dissolved silver
oxide and silver hydroxide by centrifuge.
3. Their curve shows a rise on the front end which indicates silver
oxide/hydroxide before adding HCl, but turns down after adding it,
indicating that ionic silver was converted to silver
4. They say that adding HCl produced silver chloride immediately as
evidenced by the solution turning milky, but that happens anyway with
silver oxide or nitrate in the solution from reactions with them.
5. They assume that the loss of the colloid is by producing silver
chloride instead of aggregation and precipitation when HCl is added. But

it is known that changing the pH of a solution significantly from 7 will

cause aggregation and precipitation.
5. Figure 5 shows a peak for colloidal silver of one size particle in
(b). In (c) it shows some AgCl peaks and a significant broadening of the

spectrum.  This broadnening is I believe proof that instead of small
consistent particles, it now has variable sized particles, as would be
expected if the HCl was causing aggregation.

There are too many holes in the paper for me to be convinced that they
have not done junk science.  I conclude from the data they have supplied

that the ionic portion reacted with HCl and that the colloidal portion
aggregated, which is exactly what I would have expected.

Marshall


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Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study

[Marshall Dudley]

 for the test. I believe that the
broad peaks in Figure 4 are caused by the PAM material. In any case,
Figure 4 is not relevant to the Ag/HCl issue.


Except they are erroneously attributing the 200 peak to Silver chloride, 
when in fact it is the peak of one of the crystalline forms of silver 
particles.


Marshall

Regards,
   Steve


-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study


   Can you specifically tell me what in that paper cannot be explained by

the known actions under such conditions of:

1. Small amounts of silver nitrate or silver oxide combined with HCl and

converted to silver chloride which precipitated out except for about .8
ppm.
2. The colloid aggregated from the drop in pH and also precipitated
out.  Figure 5 indicates to me that the major conversion was from very
small consistent sized particles to much broader and varying sized
particles.  The very small area under the curve of the HCl peaks tend to

indicate that very very little HCl was formed, as would be expected if
from residual nitrate or dissolved oxide, and the large increase in the
background indicate that a broad spectrum of particle sizes were
formed which is what would be expected if the particles aggregated and
dropped out of the solution.

I think one should go by prosaic explanations first, and only resort to
exotic explanations when the standard ones prove unsupported.

Marshall

On 9/30/2010 12:27 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshal,

Thank you very much for the article. Here are some comments on the
study.

The sequence of events I as read them are:

1) 2 versions of silver nanoparticles were created. One using silver
nitrate giving a range of particles from 2 to 18 nm and averaging 8.2
nm. This was called Solution A. The second used silver oxide as the
source and had particle sizes similar to the silver nitrate version.
This was called Solution B. The tests were performed using the silver
nitrate based version. I see no instance where the silver oxide

version

(Solution B) was used.

2) A solution was also created using large commercially available

silver

particles (200 mesh). This was used only for the test demonstrating

that

bulk silver does not react with HCl. That is the test that involved 3
days of magnetic stirring. It showed no creation of silver chloride
after the 3 days.

3) The concentration of the HCl used was approximately 18.5% HCl.

4)HCl was added to Solution A and a white product was formed
immediately. X-ray powder diffraction (XRD) confirmed that little Ag+
remained in solution and that AgCl was created. This was further
confirmed by a UV-vis absorption test that verified the disappearance

of

the Ag+ absorption peak at 302 nm.

5) The chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles in the polymer matrix

has

also been investigated. Figure 5 shows results similar to (4) above.
AgCl was created.

6) The test mentioned in (2) above was performed verifying that bulk
silver does not react with HCl.


I would have to say that it appears to me that the tests did indeed
demonstrate that Ag nanoparticles have an unusually high chemical
nanoreactivity in the reaction with hydrochloric acid. And a
surprisingly rapid conversion to silver chloride.

   - Steve N



-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:23 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens


I now have the full article. Anyone wanting it please let me know

and

I will email it to you.

There are some problems with their methodology.

1. They say they make CS by two methods, one which leaves a residue of
silver nitrate in the solution, and the other which does not. I cannot
find which one they used for the data they are producing.
2. They say that they remove all AgO2 from the non-nitrate solution by
centrifuge.  Fact is that it is impossible to removed dissolved silver
oxide and silver hydroxide by centrifuge.
3. Their curve shows a rise on the front end which indicates silver
oxide/hydroxide before adding HCl, but turns down after adding it,
indicating that ionic silver was converted to silver
4. They say that adding HCl produced silver chloride immediately as
evidenced by the solution turning milky, but that happens anyway with
silver oxide or nitrate in the solution from reactions with them.
5. They assume that the loss of the colloid is by producing silver
chloride instead of aggregation and precipitation when HCl is added.

But

it is known that changing the pH of a solution significantly from 7

will

cause aggregation and precipitation.
5. Figure 5 shows a peak for colloidal silver of one size particle in
(b). In (c) it shows some AgCl peaks and a significant broadening of

the

spectrum.  This broadnening is I believe proof that instead of small
consistent particles

Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study

[Marshall Dudley]

 Well, I am planning on buying some HCl tonight so I can run the test 
properly and find out for sure.


Marshall

On 9/30/2010 6:09 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshall,

You are correct, I meant Figure 4.
I did try and learn something about X-ray powder diffraction but was not
successful in the time I have. The numbers (111, 220) refer to planes of
atoms in a crystal. I found the following interesting:
http://prism.mit.edu/xray/BasicsofXRD.ppt

But it appears that you need a computer with a database to search for
the unique diffraction patterns for specific crystals. So I compared the
diffraction patterns in Figure 4 with those in Figure 1. The two planes
(200 and 222) identified in Figure 4 show up in Figure 1(b) at the same
2 theta angles as in Figure 4. So I felt that they did indeed represent
silver chloride.
Similarly Ag(111) in Figure 4 shows up at the 2 theta angle of 40. That
same (111) shows up in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b). I took this
to indicate Ag in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b).
There is a (111) in Figure 1(b) but it is at the wrong 2 theta angle for
silver so I assume it is some crystal other than Ag.

Admittedly this is somewhat simplistic but it is the best I can do under
the circumstances.

I am open to other information.

Thanks,
  Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study


   On 9/30/2010 3:03 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

The paper specifically states for each test except 5 and 6 in my
original comments that the silver nitrate derived nanoparticles were
used so let's skip discussing silver oxide.

1) Figure 1(a) shows the composition of the silver nitrate derived
silver nanoparticle solution. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peak at

(111)

to be Ag.

I presume you mean figure 4, there is no figure 5. Actually they
identify it as Ag(111). Do you know what these number (111, 220) are
referring to?  Somehow they do not make sense, for instance in Fig. 1(b)

311 is locatd between 220 and 222, and 222 is located between 311 and
400.  Also the 111 peak jumps around depending on where they seem to
want it, moving far left on the 1(b).  Somehow this does not seem right
and is inconsistent with other paper's reports of these peaks.

   And Figure 1(a) clearly shows a prominent peak at (111). The
broadening of peaks in Figure 1(a) is described as indicating the very
small sizes of Ag crystallites.

The peak at 111 is simply one of many possible forms of Ag crystal,
including 200, 220 and 311.

Figure 1(b) shows the composition of the silver solution after the
reaction with HCL. The Ag peak at (111) is greatly diminished.
Significant peaks at (200) and (220) now show in the XRD pattern.

Figure

5 identifies the XRD peaks at (200) and (220) as belonging to silver
chloride.

Are the peaks at 200 and 220 REALLY silver chloride?   Figure 1B of
another paper ( www.springerlink.com/index/710W187LW403T65T.pdf ) says
that this is simply different forms of silver crystals - Figure 1B .. A

number of strong Bragg reflections can be seen which correspond to the
(111), (200), (220), (311) reflections of cc (cubic crystals of)
silver.  If this is accurate, and I believe it is, that completely
blows their theory out of the water since these peaks correspond with
aggregated silver crystals and not silver chloride. Since (111) is I
believe the smallest crystal form, then that it diminishes and the other

forms increase is completely expected when particles aggregate into
larger crystals.

Now, combine those results with the UV-vis absorption spectra shown in
Figure 2. The spectra of the silver solution after the reaction with

HCL

indicates little or no silver particles remaining.

This is true for both of our analysis.  They presume that the silver
chloride precipitates out, I presume that the aggregated silver
particles precipitate out.  That is that this result supports both
hypothesizes.  Actually it is VERY easy to test which is correct.  Take
some 20 ppm EIS, and add a pinch of salt to it and let the silver
chloride precipitate out. Then add the HCl and see if you get any
additional silver chloride, if not then I am right, if so then they are.

If the silver chloride resulted from only silver nitrate and not from

a

reaction of HCl with the silver nanoparticles, I would expect to see
indications of the silver particles still there.

Not if they aggregate and precipitate out as I have found they do when
the pH is dropped significantly.  Colloidal silver is only stable in
water that is very near neutral or pH of 7.  I see nothing that they are

doing that would prevent this expected aggregation and precipitation
when they drop the pH significantly.

   I would also expect to
see smaller XRD peaks at (200) and (220) since little silver chloride
should be produced by residue silver nitrate. Your conclusions would

Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study

[Marshall Dudley]

 OK, I bought the HCl, and seeded a glass of 20 ppm EIS with a couple 
of salt crystals. I am now waiting for the silver chloride to settle out 
to finish the test.


Marshall

On 9/30/2010 6:16 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
 Well, I am planning on buying some HCl tonight so I can run the test 
properly and find out for sure.


Marshall

On 9/30/2010 6:09 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshall,

You are correct, I meant Figure 4.
I did try and learn something about X-ray powder diffraction but was not
successful in the time I have. The numbers (111, 220) refer to planes of
atoms in a crystal. I found the following interesting:
http://prism.mit.edu/xray/BasicsofXRD.ppt

But it appears that you need a computer with a database to search for
the unique diffraction patterns for specific crystals. So I compared the
diffraction patterns in Figure 4 with those in Figure 1. The two planes
(200 and 222) identified in Figure 4 show up in Figure 1(b) at the same
2 theta angles as in Figure 4. So I felt that they did indeed represent
silver chloride.
Similarly Ag(111) in Figure 4 shows up at the 2 theta angle of 40. That
same (111) shows up in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b). I took this
to indicate Ag in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b).
There is a (111) in Figure 1(b) but it is at the wrong 2 theta angle for
silver so I assume it is some crystal other than Ag.

Admittedly this is somewhat simplistic but it is the best I can do under
the circumstances.

I am open to other information.

Thanks,
  Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study


   On 9/30/2010 3:03 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

The paper specifically states for each test except 5 and 6 in my
original comments that the silver nitrate derived nanoparticles were
used so let's skip discussing silver oxide.

1) Figure 1(a) shows the composition of the silver nitrate derived
silver nanoparticle solution. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peak at

(111)

to be Ag.

I presume you mean figure 4, there is no figure 5. Actually they
identify it as Ag(111). Do you know what these number (111, 220) are
referring to?  Somehow they do not make sense, for instance in Fig. 1(b)

311 is locatd between 220 and 222, and 222 is located between 311 and
400.  Also the 111 peak jumps around depending on where they seem to
want it, moving far left on the 1(b).  Somehow this does not seem right
and is inconsistent with other paper's reports of these peaks.

   And Figure 1(a) clearly shows a prominent peak at (111). The
broadening of peaks in Figure 1(a) is described as indicating the very
small sizes of Ag crystallites.

The peak at 111 is simply one of many possible forms of Ag crystal,
including 200, 220 and 311.

Figure 1(b) shows the composition of the silver solution after the
reaction with HCL. The Ag peak at (111) is greatly diminished.
Significant peaks at (200) and (220) now show in the XRD pattern.

Figure

5 identifies the XRD peaks at (200) and (220) as belonging to silver
chloride.

Are the peaks at 200 and 220 REALLY silver chloride?   Figure 1B of
another paper ( www.springerlink.com/index/710W187LW403T65T.pdf ) says
that this is simply different forms of silver crystals - Figure 1B .. A

number of strong Bragg reflections can be seen which correspond to the
(111), (200), (220), (311) reflections of cc (cubic crystals of)
silver.  If this is accurate, and I believe it is, that completely
blows their theory out of the water since these peaks correspond with
aggregated silver crystals and not silver chloride. Since (111) is I
believe the smallest crystal form, then that it diminishes and the other

forms increase is completely expected when particles aggregate into
larger crystals.

Now, combine those results with the UV-vis absorption spectra shown in
Figure 2. The spectra of the silver solution after the reaction with

HCL

indicates little or no silver particles remaining.

This is true for both of our analysis.  They presume that the silver
chloride precipitates out, I presume that the aggregated silver
particles precipitate out.  That is that this result supports both
hypothesizes.  Actually it is VERY easy to test which is correct.  Take
some 20 ppm EIS, and add a pinch of salt to it and let the silver
chloride precipitate out. Then add the HCl and see if you get any
additional silver chloride, if not then I am right, if so then they are.

If the silver chloride resulted from only silver nitrate and not from

a

reaction of HCl with the silver nanoparticles, I would expect to see
indications of the silver particles still there.

Not if they aggregate and precipitate out as I have found they do when
the pH is dropped significantly.  Colloidal silver is only stable in
water that is very near neutral or pH of 7.  I see nothing that they are

doing that would prevent this expected aggregation

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #795

[Marshall Dudley]

 You might want to check if  you have wrap long lines turned off in 
your email client.  Normally the emails will have lines wrapped so they 
go to the right edge fo the screen by the client reading it.  Since 
different people have different fonts and screen dimensions it is not 
unusual to send a paragraph on one line so the receiving client can 
break the lines appropriately for the screen it is being viewed on.


Marshall

On 9/28/2010 7:38 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

Mike,
Pardon me, i do not mean to offend you, but how come the margin to the 
right is so far out, almost unending?  I kinda get dizzy following all 
the way to the end then back.

Sorry.
Thanks.
Melly

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silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #795
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 6:28 PM




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Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?

[Marshall Dudley]

 Well if you have 10 ppm of CS, it would only take a pinch to convert 
all in a glass.


Marshall

On 9/28/2010 7:50 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Hi Steve,

Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume 
of CS?  Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just 
google shop for any old citric acid?


Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Norton, Steve 
stephen.nor...@ngc.com mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:


Personally,  would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice
to convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others.

- Steve N




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