CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations mgperrault Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:57 -0700 Mike [...] Max, What have you done to help newcomers to the list? Thanks Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's see, he's been polite, hasn't insulted anyone, hasn't patronised anyone, and hasn't called anyone a liar because HE can't duplicate THEIR findings. Them's all big plusses in my book. Kirsteen Kirsteen, And what have you done to welcome newcomers? Do you have any concern for their needs? Thanks Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: Chillax! Why do you come over so aggressive? I take that as you have no answer. Then why are you here? Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSColloidal Silver Development System (CSDS)
To All, I have mentioned the Colloidal Silver Development System (CSDS) on several occasions, but have not described what it is or how it works. The CSDS was originally suggested by Renee, and has evolved into the most powerful colloidal silver analysis tool available. It consists of two separate cs generators with adjustable parameters, such as electrode spacing, wetted area, etc. You can compare directly two batches that are identical except for one difference, such as electrode separation. If you plot the conductance curves on the same graph, it becomes easy to show the differences between the setups. Since the two batches were made at the same time, any difference must be attributable to the thing that is changed, and not due to some outside influence, such as difference in lighting, temperature, or some other unknown effect. The same technique can be used to leapfrog development. That means to start with some small difference, keep the best version and make some change to the other one, and repeat the test. Keep the best versions and discard the rest, and pretty soon you can make an outstanding system that outperforms any other. I dug into the archives and found a brief description of how the CSDS is built and adjusted, and some preliminary results: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/410 Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Oh, water definitely has memory. I have proved it several times myself. Al you need is a scanning photospectrometer and some distilled water. You run a baseline with the distilled water, then expose it to something that will structure it and run it again. The effect is nothing short of dramatic. I have found that the absorption spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet are affected by it seems almost everything. Here are some of the things I found: magnets reiki orgonite some spirals of copper wire that were claimed to give off energy thoughts like love, hate and healing. These experiments are completely repeatable and different things will have consistent but different spectrums. However I have found I am unable to do them myself because I have a strong flux of healing energy that comes off my hands now and screws up all the results giving a spectrum of healing water every time I try it now. Marshall Marshall, I completely deny you can have any effect on the absorption spectrum of distilled water with magnets, reiki, orgonite, spirals of copper, or any kinds of thoughts. I have 3 diode array photospectrometers by Hewlett-Packard. They are the HP 8452A UV-VIS models, which are more advanced than the one you have. I find the spectrums you plot don't make any sense. The conclusions I have come to are the data is faked, or actually belongs to a different condition than you claim. This is not the first time you have faked data. Your article titled Maxwell's Pressure Demon and the Second Law of Thermodynamics at http://www.execonn.com/maxwell/maxwells_demon.html is a masterpiece of deception. It has so many flaws and misstatements of fact that I am surprised someone has not called you on it before. However, I am calling you on it now. I repeated your experiment. It does not work. The only way you could get the data you claim is by generating it yourself. Any claim you can affect the absorption spectrum of distilled water means you claim the ability to create matter. This is not possible. It is a major violation of physical law, which you seem quite willing to ignore to suit your convenience. If creating matter were possible, then think what could happen. A waiter could be bringing a tray of water to guests. He is absently-mindedly thinking of something else on the way. When he arrives, the water has turned to wine. How often does that occur? Your claims are false. Your data is faked. Shame on you, Marshall. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate. You know how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access to one long enough. The only way you can change the spectrum of distilled water is to put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical matter. It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or any non-physical thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire. If you are presenting data and claiming it is the result of these things, then you are faking the data. There is no place in this forum for that behavior. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Amen Sara I have been considering using block myself. I don't want to leave this group but I have to admit I miss the pre Mike Monett days. Jaxi Jaxi, can you post the four basic equations for the silver electrolysis process? I recently described 8 different ways to detect contamination in your system. Can you name one? People come here to learn about colloidal silver. They ask very simple questions. No one can answer them. This is the longest-running forum on colliodal silver in existence. Why do you treat newcomers this way? I am here to represent the weak, the sick, the ones who have lost everything and have no where to turn. I know how it feels. I have just gone through the same thing. These people come here for help. There is no other substance that can offer the incredible results of silver ions. If you wish for the good old days when newcomers were ignored, then you insult the reason that Mike Devour stuck with this forum for so many years, looking for information of how to make cs work better. His gift to the world will never be forgotten. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: So you don't believe there is anything to such things as holy water? If water can form crystal structures, and there is plenty of evidence it can homeopathic water being only one of them, then almost certainly the absorption spectrum will change with that structure. [...] Marshall Give up Marshall. The spiritual world and the physical plane are two completely different entities. There is no way you can change the absorption spectrum of distilled water without adding ions, atoms or molecules. Any suggestion that you can is fraudulent Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish James McDonald Sun, 13 May 2012 08:20:39 -0700 Mike, Most people don't understand radiation from 1Hz to gamma is all radiation just different frequencies, some our bodies can handle some it cannot. Lasers are a radiation, low power does not hurt your hand hi-power will burn you. Its pretty much power density. It also depends on the frequency of the radiation. Radiation from 1Hz to Violet light only heats an object. If the power is great enough, it will cause burns. High-power lasers are used to cut metals and fabrics with high precision. They are used in volume manufacturing to mark products like milk and other food containers. Ionizing radiation starts in the ultraviolet. Here, the damage is far more serious. Ultraviolet radiation from the sun can cause skin cancer and damage your vision. This why people wear skin cream and uv protected sunglasses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet#Harmful_effects X-Rays can penetrate completely through the body and show pictures of broken bones and bad teeth. X-rays can also cause cancer. Most sources recommend to limit the number of dental x-rays per year to minimize the risk. Operators wear lead shields to protect their bodies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray#Health_risks Airline pilots experience more gamma radiation since they spend a lot of time above most of the Earth's atmosphere and lose the shielding effect. Astronauts have virtually no protection against gamma rays. This severely limits spaceflight to the vicinity of the Earth. Trips to Mars will be fantasies for a long time to come. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray#Shielding The radiation from microwave ovens is far below the visible spectrum. It is far too weak to ionize tissue or cause damage like ultraviolet, x-ray and gamma radiation. Microwave energy can only heat an object like food. The damage to DNA from overheating it is the same no matter how the food is heated. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: [...] The radiation from microwave ovens is far below the visible spectrum. It is far too weak to ionize tissue or cause damage like ultraviolet, x-ray and gamma radiation. Microwave energy can only heat an object like food. The damage to DNA from overheating it is the same no matter how the food is heated. If microwave cooking could cause the same kind of damage that uv, x-ray and gamma radiation cause, we would have to wear lead aprons and welding glasses to cook chicken legs. Nobody does that. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish BGA
Bruce Anderson bruce...@btes.tv wrote: On 5/12/2012 5:42 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Hey Nike: Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen that equipment since 1958. I was in the USAF. At 74yoa, my memory ain't what it usta be. I remember: AN/FPS-3 6, 6megawatts, and a QK-388 maggie. Not a lot to show for for years. But it was good to see the gear, I had no idea they were still using it for anything. Thanks again: Bruce A,. Hi Bruce, I was RCAF. After Uplands, I went to Sept Isles, Quebec, a DEW line site. They had a AN/FPS-27 Search Radar to look for Russian bombers coming over the North Pole. The idea was to shoot them down in Canada so the fallout from the nuclear explosions wouldn't reach the States: http://www.radomes.org/museum/equip/radarequip.php?link=fps-27.html This thing was a monster. Each component, like the power supply, transmitter, receiver, and operator consoles had its own floor. The cut-away picture in the link above is missing one entire floor. I forget the output power. I thought it was 25 megawatts but I can't find any spec. Anyway, I didn't work on the radar system, although all my budies did and I visited the place often. My job was maintaining the UHF communications gear in a separate building. I really enjoyed the two years there, then I was off to NATO in Europe for the rest of my tour. That was also fantastic, but the cold war could have turned radioactive at any moment, so you really had to watch your step. Those were the good old days:) Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver PH
James C Brown brown...@frontiernet.net wrote: Does silver water have any effect on your PH Thanks, Jim Very unlikely. If you use sublingual, you only absorb about 27 parts per billion. If you ingest 8 oz of cs that's 236ml. If it's 10ppm, you have 10e-6 * 236 = 0.00236 gm You have about 5.5 litres of blood. If you absorb 100% of the cs, 0.00236 gm in 5.5 litres is 0.00236 /5500 = 4.29090909091e-7 = 429 ppb. However, you are not likely to get 100% absorption. Roger Altman got the following measurements: mg Out: urine : 3.14 feces : 0.83 Total : 3.97 The ratio is 3.14 / 3.97 = 0.79 So you may get 0.79 * 429 ppb = 338.91 ppb This is not enough to affect your ph. It is also not enough to kill pathogens either. So in either case, the silver must be working to enhance the immune system somehow. This means cs will demonstrate all the limitations of the immune system. For example, it cannot go inside cells to get at pathogens. This means once an infection is already established, taking cs can't do much to help. You have to treat it as a preventative and keep taking it regularly. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKeeping the same polarity rods
mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: Why do the grey whiskers get formed on the electrode? If you put a barrier, I used a paper towel, you see they form on the paper. Shaking it loose, it fell to the bottom. Adding hydrogen peroxide dissolved it to a clear seemingly fine batch. max No one has answered your question. Strange. The gray whiskers that form on the cathode are pure silver. They are silver ions from the anode, or positive electrode. They have accepted an electron from the cathode to become a neutral silver atom. What happens next depends on the current density. At very low current, such as used in the SilverCell process, the silver forms a fuzz around the electrode and grows tiny whiskers at the bottom. At higher currents, a silver sludge forms at the bottom of the U, assuming you are using a U-shape electrode. At higher currents, such as most cs generators use, the ion density is high enough for silver hydroxide to form in the thin Nernst Diffusion layer next to the cathode. This forms a soft black/brown deposit on the electrode and sends some into the dw. It agglomerates later and causes a characteristic yellow tint to the cs. The color is independent of the size of the particles. Silver is one of the privileged few metals that react to light through plasmon absorbance. This resonates with the blue light and removes it from the spectrum. This leaves red and green, which combine to form yellow. The yellow portion remains yellow, of course. This results in the characteristic yellow tint to the cs, which has been described variously as pale straw, yellow, or gold. If you ingest the cs, the silver hydroxide is converted back into silver ions, which then combine to form silver chloride. You can read more at http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg145180.html When you add H2O2, the cs may turn clear. It can also turn white, brilliant yellow, black, and probably other colors. The colors are probably caused by contamination in the H2O2. Silver is a catalyst for H2O2 and causes it to decompose. The equation is 2H2O2 -- 2H2O + O2 However, hydrogen peroxide requires a stabilizer to prevent decomposition. The clear color results from the stabilizer in the H2O2 reacting with the silver hydroxide and producing silver ions. For food grade H2O2, the stabilizer is phosphoric acid. For pharmaceutical grade, the stabilizer is a different acid. The bottle should say Do Not Ingest, or Poison, or somesuch. They mean it. The additive is toxic. Don't drink it. In the case of food grade H2O2, the phosphoric acid works in conjunction with the H2O2 to dissolve silver metal into ions. Here's how it works. Phosphoric acid, H3PO4, has three hydrogen ions available to ionize. It loses the first one quite readily. (Thanks to Wilco Oelen of sci.chem for this description) H3PO4 -- H(+) + H2PO4(-) This makes hydronium ions (H3O+) available in the solution. If H2O2 containing H3PO4 is applied to silver metal, we get the following: 2Ag + H2O2 + 2H(+) -- 2Ag(+) + 2H2O Which is what you want to do. There is another side reaction that uses the catalytic reaction to turn H2O2 into oxygen and water: 2H2O2 (plus silver catalyst) -- 2H20 + O2 A similar reaction occurs with the silver hydroxide. I can post it if you wish. You cannot measure the conductance of the clear cs with a pwt. The phosphoric acid will dominate the measurement. But you can use the Salt Test to verify you still have silver ions in solution. You can read more on my Yahoo forum at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/560?l=1 Does this answer your question? I would not use a paper towel or any other kind of paper in cs. The paper-making process leaves various chemical residues that can combine with the silver ions and remove them from the solution. Recall that you are working with ppm levels of silver ions. Very few chemistry labs work sith such small concentrations. The contamination problem is just too expensive to try to to control. However, we have no choice. We must learn how to identify and eliminate as much as possible all the different kinds of contamination, and keep them from ruining or cs. This is not an easy problem, especially when most people claim the contamination does not exist. Please ignore such misinformed opinions. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off
Re: CSKeeping the same polarity rods
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: When you add H2O2, the cs may turn clear. It can also turn white, brilliant yellow, black, and probably other colors. The colors are probably caused by contamination in the H2O2. This should read probably caused by contamination in the H2O2 and/or cs. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSContamination
://silvercentral.org/zmake/dsc09906.jpg 8. Conductance Drop If the COM-100 reading drops significantly after the brew is placed in storage, it is a clear sign of contamination. I have measured as much as 60% drop. Ken recently posted measurements of a 65% drop. This is not due to silver and hydroxide ions combining in the solution. They only combine in the Nernst Diffusion layer during the brew. After the brew, the layer disappears, and the high ion concentration needed for the ions to find each other and combine no longer exists. To show this, I evaporated a 20uS brew so the volume dropped to 1/8 of the original volume. This increased the ion concentration by a factor of 8, from 20uS to 160uS. The solution remained clear, and showed not sign of Tyndall or yellow tint that would occur if the ions combined to form silver hydroxide. The experiment is documented here. Note I made an error in the calculation and came up with 80uS instead of the proper figure of 160uS. I also referred to the combination as silver oxide. This is incorrect. You cannot make silver oxide in electrolysis with dw and silver electrodes. http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg64061.html If you remove the contamination, you should get much less drop. I had been getting about 8% drop until recently, when all my silver somehow got contaminated. I have received a shipment of new silver and am preparing to restart the Colloidal Silver Development System, or CSDS. My eternal thanks to Renee for suggesting this marvelous idea. It is the most powerful and valuable method of analyzing the colloidal silver process I have ever seen. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNegative Energy
There has been discussion of non-physical healing methods recently. Some of these can be quite effective if used properly. Positive energy is the key. But how do you deal with negative energy? The first step is to recognize it, and learn how to return it back to where it came from. This is a response to a private email from a friend who has been having problems with attacks. This is definitely on topic in a forum that deals with healing. I hope it can help others. I start without preamble. My old girlfriend was a homeopath. Some of the stuff she gave me really knocked me out. She was the one I bought the two SE-5's for. She really helped me when I was travelling on business and was full of pain. They work. I wanted her to marry me. She said she could not. She knew she was going to die. And so went the most amazing woman I have ever known. She taught me most of what I know about the spiritual planes. I have had some absolutely mind-boggling experiences thanks to her. These tell me eventually all this will come to an end and I will gain my full health back. On a different plane. The first thing I will do is look her up and see if I can find her and thank her. But she will probably be on a different plane. That's ok. Eventually I will get there also. Find a way to compliment those who try to slap you down. Even thanking them for spelling your name right. That is a terrible insult to them. They cannot respond to that kind of compliment. You need to overcome the attack and win. This is absolutely necessary. Otherwise the wounds go deep and start to affect other things. Your health for example. Never let idiots rule. Stop them cold, but in a way they cannot respond. Then you turn their energy against themself. They will think twice or thrice before attacking you again. Make it clear they have no chance against you. There are many ways to do it. I'm sure you will do fine. But don't get dragged into a repeated exchange. Terminate trolls quickly. Ignore them. Anything they say will quickly fade in everyone's mind. You will gain satisfaction of having the strength to remain quiet. They will gain the frustration of not being able to provoke you. This is pretty evil stuff, but there is no way to be nice to some people. You have to put them in their place, or suffer the consequences yourself. Always return negative energy back to the source where it came from. It doesn't matter if you mess up the first couple of times. The important thing is to try. Eventually you will get it right, and they won't even know what happened. But don't let the negative energy sit. You have to get rid of it. But not to some innocent victim. Back to the source. And the softer and gentler you can do it, the more powerful it is. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNegative Energy
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: And the softer and gentler you can do it, the more powerful it is. Thanks, Mike Monett I forgot the last part. Still suffering the aftereffects of the spore toxins. Here it is. This is very important. If you do it right, you can turn the negative energy into postive energy. And then everyone gains. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
brucw Anderson bande65...@btes.tv wrote: Mike: Thanks for the info on microwaves. I have been cooking with since 1954. thought it was cool to toss an apple up in front of the waveguide on an ANFPS6 radar unit. It had six megawatts of power. It cooked much faster than ovens, but with ovens you don't to catch the hot food with your bare hands. Also I could light-up all the fluorescent fixtures in a three story barracks over two miles away. They kinda frowned on that. Bruce A. Hi Bruce, The AN/FPS-6 Height Finder Radar specs are at http://www.radarpages.co.uk/mob/rotor/fps6.htm They may have boosted the power on different models. Using the 5MW, 400PPS and 2uS stated on that page, the average power works out to 4KW. That will definitely do an apple! We got one of the first GCA radars at Uplands airport in Ottawa, Canada, back in 1960. We made the mistake to slew the beam to a nearby hangar, some 400 ft away, to do a range calibration. Unfortunately, we ignited every flashbub in the photographers stockroom. He came flying out of the building enveloped in a cloud of smoke. He was not very happy:) We were forbidden to point the antenna at the hangars after that. What service were you in? Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Mark markyd...@googlemail.com wrote: So if microwave is so harmless then could someone explain why plants die if they are watered with microwaved water? Here's some evidence... Http://Hinduism.co.za/trees.htm I did the test myself, but never captured photos and I got the same results. -Regards, Mark Try Snopes. That same claim is discussed and disproven: http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp Heating water on a stove has the same effect as a microwave. The water molecules absorb the energy and move faster. When you remove the source of energy, they cool and slow down. You need to repeat the test using plain water as a control, microwaved water as the variable, and stove heated water as the other control. Let us know what you find out. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Try Snopes. That same claim is discussed and disproven: http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp Another test. Different plants. Same result. Conclusion - Microwaved water does not kill plants. http://microwavetest.blogspot.ca/ There may be more tests, but the trend is clear. If microwaved water kills plants, it should have done so in the above tests. That did not happen. I really, really am very sorry I brought the whole issue of microwaving food up. That will not happen again. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemistry Tutorials
Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Anyone interested in learning chemistry will quickly find out about the 10-second rule. If you drop something sterile, and can pick it up in 10 seconds, you may consider it is still sterile. Hmmm article arguing against it here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1352440/5-second-rule-myth-Food-poisoning-caused-picked-immediately.html and even more here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2138777/The-second-rule-fact-fiction-Scientists-reveal-food-dropped-floor-safe-eat.html Cheers Kirsteen Kirsteen, of course it is a myth! You can't drop food on the floor and expect it to remain sterile. The place I have seen it used is while taking a rack of sterilized beakers from a hot autoclave. One fell on the floor. The professor said 10-second rule and picked it up and put it back in the rack. I would have put it back with the unsterilized beakers instead. why take chances? Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Renee, Things are not looking so good as before. After much prodding, James sent me the Yahoo Group link for the ABPA. Here it is: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/biophoton/ As you can see from the message history at the bottom of the page, the last messages were in Dec, 2011. I wrote him back that I was concerned about the lack of activity. Using that as a reference, I found another ABPA group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Bio-Photon-Analyzer/ That one is even worse. The last message was in 2009. No wonder Lena didn't want to give any recommendations. Oh well, I may have just blown a $200 restocking fee. I wish I had known about these forums before placing the order. Chances are now slim that the device will work. But I'll give it a try anyway. I have so few options left on killing the mold spores I'll try anything if it has the slightest chance of working. Thanks for the excellent summary on other healing modalities. I'll study it later. I'm starting to get the same awful odor as a day or so ago. I can't tell where it is coming from. Getting very bad headaches. Bye for now Mike Monett Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: I DO hope it works for you. What a blessing huh? Do let us know. If it's that good it may be worth saving up for. It's hard to distinguish which device is worth the money because there are so many, and a number of people on various lists have different machines and most all love the ones they have. So it's hard to say which one to spend money on. Samala, Renee -Original Message- This would be so nice if it works and gets rid of these headaches. I sure would like to be able to sleep longer than 3 or 4 hours, and not wake up clogged full of spores with a splitting headache and all the other crap from the toxins. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Renee, The silver has arrived from HM. I'm too sick to do anything with it. I'll clean it and stick it in the Anchor Hocking Stainless cannister. Anyway now I can get back to work on the SilverCell. I'll post results to the Yahoo forum. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmold Was: Macular Degeneration;
mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: What odor? cooked onions? smoke? cant get enough oxygen? Dusty wood like smell? Did you find mold? Simoncini indicates baking soda for mold There are some herbs for mold here http://www.sacred-medicine.org/sms_products/sms_mold.php max Thanx max. burning wood odor. terrible headaches. problem has been going on for over a decade. got a bad exposure in a house in Ottawa in 2001. it destroyed my business. mnost of the spores come from the basement. this is new and just started a day orso ago. don't know where it is coming from. very bad. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com wrote: [...] Note to self: do not discuss sex, politics, religion, or microwave on silverlist. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: If you woulds bring up the process of rubbing two sticks together to cook your food, somebody will take exception. Just have to work around like a bad spot on a new silicon wafer, run it through and throw out the damaged ones. LOL! Thanks James. You are absolutely right. Anyway, I am out of the microwave business. And, I fear, pretty soon I'll be out of the Rife/Clark/FREX business also. I wish I knew what to do next. Maybe I'll try reviving my new sub-micron filter design. The new silver has arrived. As soon as the current crop of headaches fades, I can get back to the SilverCell. I'll post results in the Yahoo forum. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Well, unless the forums are full of negativity I find that any forum or group will die when there's no moderator. And sometimes the moderators just step away for whatever reason--health, personal issues, etc. Don't give up on the machine. If other people got success with it you will too. Remember, with all healing modalities--ALL OF THEM--belief and intent is the biggest part of it. Frequencies work--we know that much. So if the machine actually does send out frequencies of any sort, and you believe it will work, it will work. I've seen it happen all the time. People will say--that's not possible, but of course it is when someone believes. Get some rest. Samala, Renee Thanks Renee. I believe what you say. Belief and intent are key. This should be covered and stressed in the documentation that comes with the unit. But I was very disappointed to see such poor activity on the forums. I will give it a try, and use the knowlege and experiences I had with the SE-5's. I have a few spiritual tricks up my sleeve that will help also. But it is so difficult to get back on those planes with the spore toxins. They simply chop off all connections to the higher planes. I have to lay down. talk later. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Fact is, you can have two plants, and send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a short period get similar results. Marshall It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
I like pinto beans. Mike mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: It works well with pinto beans. Apparently you didnt match the impedance of your mental antennae Give it another go, Im sure you can do it max On 5/11/2012 2:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Fact is, you can have two plants, and send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a short period get similar results. Marshall It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
I guess I shouldn't tell you my mental impedance is 377 Ohms. The same as free space. Mike Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: I like pinto beans. Mike mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: It works well with pinto beans. Apparently you didnt match the impedance of your mental antennae Give it another go, Im sure you can do it max On 5/11/2012 2:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Fact is, you can have two plants, and send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a short period get similar results. Marshall It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
I have an open mind. Mike Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: I guess I shouldn't tell you my mental impedance is 377 Ohms. The same as free space. Mike Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: I like pinto beans. Mike mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: It works well with pinto beans. Apparently you didnt match the impedance of your mental antennae Give it another go, Im sure you can do it max On 5/11/2012 2:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Fact is, you can have two plants, and send one loving thoughts, and the other thoughts of death, and over a short period get similar results. Marshall It doesn't work with dandelions. I have tried. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
So that's where it is coming from. Mike Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: I like dandelions Jane From: Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com I like pinto beans. Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: I loved chemistry - it seems so logical - I preferred biology though to see how things worked but really because I could illustrate it and thus remember everything I learned - well nearly everything! Guess the two satisfy the right and the left brain! Learning something like balancing the equation as in chemistry helps us understand all of lfe here - all has to balance - people forget this principle. Jane Very well put. Thanks. I find in the technical fields, girls tend to do very well in chemistry. There is something about the analytical mind in girls that goes very well with the processes and details needed in a chem lab. I sure would like to see more men give it a try in this forum! Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Well that comment clicked my brain into the gender differences in how men and women cook! I still like the comment the green beret I met in a mental hospital made saying that no advancement would be possible until men learned to think with their hearts and women to feel with their brains . but it sounded better when i first heard it. Jane That is beautiful. Thanks for posting it. As far as male cooking, my stove is completely covered with two large canning pressure cookers to sterlize fabrics, so I do everything in the microwave. For small dishes, I have a bunch of bowls to heat things like spagetti meatballs, and cover them with a small dish to keep the steam and moisture inside. For larger plates, such as chicken or steamed potatoes, I use an inverted microwave oven bowl like this http://pstca.com/articles/food/food.htm Fast, simple, and minimal cleanup. But I sure wish I could learn how to make salads like most girls can. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to say--no I didn't build the frex. It's software you download. Then you can run it through just the computer (which is all I have right now) or you can hook up plasma balls. [... skip more interesting stuff] Samala, Renee Renee, The program uses the computer sound card to generate the frequencies. This limits it to 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz, and many of the important frequencies are well above that and are out of reach. It only takes a synthesizer chip and a few wideband op amps, and you can easily reach 10 MHz. This would be extremely inexpensive, certainly less than $50 or so. I'm going to make a few that go to 35Mhz so I can use them in the lab as well. I think you mentioned the frex program stops after a certain time. There are zillions of free programs on the web that use the sound card to generate frequencies. I just downloaded this one and tried it. It works perfectly! It only makes sine waves, but the frex needs that as the input signal. It then squares them to drive the electrodes. Here's the scoop: Signal Generator http://www.techmind.org/audio/siggen.gif Select or enter a frequency (1 to 22050Hz), an amplitude (1 to 32767), choose left or right channel for output. Press play sound for a one-second burst, or start- and stop sound to control the sound continuously (up to a limit of 10 hours!). The Volume slider should duplicate the Wave volume control on your sound-out mixer panel. If the sound is playing, then changes (except the Volume slider) won't be heard until the sound is stopped and restarted. Download: SigGen_1v3.exe New version 1.3, available since May 2011. Supports multiple soundcards and better-matched to Windows Vista/7 sound models. http://www.techmind.org/audio/SigGen_1v3.exe http://www.techmind.org/audio/#siggen There are many, many more similar programs. All you need is the frequency list, which you can also get from many sources. Let me know if this helps. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSChemistry Tutorials
Hey mike, you mentioned online chemistry tutorials. Could you point me to any specific programs? Learning about CS has re-kindled my interests! Thanks for your help, P. I post this since others may be interested. There are zillions of excellent online chemistry tutorials. Far too many to list here. The trick is to search google and click on something that looks interesting. Save the url so you can go back later. If the discussion seems a bit advanced and over your head, go on to the next one. But keep the url in case you want to view it again. You will quickly reach the point where the easy ones no longer have anything to teach and you need something stronger to work with. Don't get bogged down in the advanced stuff unless you are really interested and plan on changing careers. But if you are an electronics technician now, and you would like to expand your career opportunities, there is very little you could do better than to learn basic chemistry. The biomedical fields are expanding like crazy, and it is difficult to find anyone who understands electronics and know even a bit about chemistry. You could have leprosy and ten thumbs on each hand, but if you can understand a simple chemistry equation and know how to keep from knocking over Bunsen burners, they will welcome you with open arms. The things you want to focus on at the start are how to read an equation, then how to balance them. When you find yourself hitting a rough spot and nothing seems to make sense, find another tutorial that discusses the same topic and try it. Often just a slight change in the wording can suddenly unlock the secret and it all becomes clear. You will find yourself advancing very rapidly. The basic stuff is just learning the symbols for the common elements, like Hydrogen, Oxygen, Silver, Sulfur, and so on. Then learn the normal oxidation states, such as +1 for Sodium, Silver, etc, +2 for Copper, etc, -1 for Chlorine, etc, then the weird ones like Oxygen, Sulfur, and the others that can have several states. But just learn what you need to know at the moment. The rest will come later. The more you learn, the easier it is to learn more. This is a very enjoyable positive feedback loop. You will quickly find yourself working with stuff that was incomprehensible just a short time before. So rather than give you a huge list of sites, just start anywhere and go up or down in difficulty as you feel the need. Again, don't get bogged down wasting time on incomprehensible topics or sites that don't explain things clearly. Bypass them and find another one that is better suited to your liking. Keep moving, and you will soon hit paydirt. Here is a typical one to get you started: http://chemistry.about.com/cs/stoichiometry/a/aa042903a.htm Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
plunking down hard cash hoping it will work as well as the ones I had 30 years ago. If it doesn't work, I will send it back, of course. But I have every expectation of getting very valuable use from it. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Oh dear I read absolutely nothing good about microwaves. I even burn my heat pack in mine it's all I use it for! I am an old electronics engineer. I have worked on high power microwave and communications equipment all my life. I used to stick my hand full of neon bulbs into the radiator feed to check the power output and look for birds nests in the waveguide. My hands are still attached and have not turned green. There is nothing truthful in the claims that microwaves can cause harmful changes to food. This is purely fear-mongering. It has no basis in fact. The only thing the microwaves can do is cause the water molecules to rotate and rub against each other. It is the same as rubbing your hands to warm them in the winter. Of course the heat will cause changes in the DNA. So does cooking on a stove. This does not matter. The things you do to food to digest it are far more severe than heating the water content in a microwave. The hydrochloric acid and pepsin in your stomach will start the breakdown process that removes the proteins and breaks them down so they can be digested and utilized in the body. Cooking in the microwave is much safer than pan frying or grilling over an open flame. There are no heterocyclic amines or polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons that form. See http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats for more information. Of course, you knew that already, didn't you. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: WOW! That's a lot of different things -- and I for one would LOVE to learn more about them. Are there groups and/or web links that you could provide for us to learn more about these different methods? Lisa Me too. Do you think you could post a tiny tutorial to introduce us to these methods and summarize a bit how they work? It would be nice to get some pointers to where to search for more information. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] You sure have collected a lot of different healing methods! I wonder how many others there are you haven't mentioned yet:) Oh, lots and lots. :) Been at this alternative stuff for over 25 years now, ever since I had cancer. Just love to 'collect' information on healing. Never sick here so don't have a lot to experiment with, but I usually try things out when I can, just to see. I think some of the BEST methods are the easiest and are free to do. My favorite is The Emotion Code, then EFT, then DMT, then MIR. The Emotion Code is remarkable and uses muscle testing to release trapped emotions. EFT is a more complicated tapping procedure but once you learn it it's invaluable. DMT is a simplified tapping procedure that works wonders for physical problems. MIR is a new method I've just learned that I think will be very powerful, and is super simple to do. These emotional things SEEM to be 1) too simple to work 2) most people don't understand the emotional part of illness Because they are simple and free people often overlook them and don't understand their power. And then most people do not understand the underlying reason for illness, which is almost always buried in emotions. Even if you cure the physical problem if you don't deal with the emotions the problem simply comes back, usually in the same form but a different area, but sometimes even in the same area. That's why it's so common for a person to get cancer again--the doctor's famous '5 year' thing (if you make it 5 years cancer free you could possibly stay cancer free) because most people get it back in under 5 years. Just because you have it cut out, burnt out, etc, but you have NOT addressed the emotional aspects, the thought processes and looked for some spiritual answers, it just comes back. Address those 3 and you are almost sure never to be bothered by cancer again. It is said--and I believe it, that everything starts on the spiritual level and if corrected there we'd never get sick. But we are almost totally unaware of the spirit level. From there it goes to the mental level. Again, if we were aware and fixed the mental issue we would never get sick. Then it goes emotional level. If we stopped it there we'd never get sick. But we simply don't understand our emotions, let alone deal with them. So because we don't, then the body takes on physical symptoms of illness. We can't ignore that like we can emotions, thoughts and spirit. So though we may fix the physical symptoms, if we haven't dealt with the emotions especially, but also the thoughts and spirit, then illness simply comes back. And usually dealing with the emotions kind of also takes care of the thoughts that go along since thoughts and emotions are very closely linked. The spirit--well, any truly healthy person has a healthy spiritual side. You cannot live in darkness and be healthy. But it does help to address the spiritual side when ill, because that allows the physical 'cure' to happen faster. We are such wondrous beings! Oh shoot--how can I forget the SEM water cards and the SSS cards? They are also free and very powerful. :) and they work through the frequency category! Samala, Renee Renee, you should take some of this and have it printed in gold and framed, and sell it on eBay. I believe this is one of the most truthful and important posts on the SilverList. What are SEM Water Cards and SSS cards? You have a lot you can teach us. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: Give me a break..I will never believe that microwaveing food is not bad...fear has nothing to do with it. I'm sorry I even wasted my time trying. It won't happen again. Your keyboard is using too many periods per sentence. Pretty soon you won't have any left. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Did Mike even do some basic google searching to confirm there is no evidence microwaves have negative health effects? No, it appears not. Yes, Mike did all the googling to search for evidence of harm. Like most things, a weak analysis capability can convince you of anything. I am finished with this topic. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemistry Tutorials
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Hey mike, you mentioned online chemistry tutorials. Could you point me to any specific programs? Learning about CS has re-kindled my interests! Thanks for your help, P. Anyone interested in learning chemistry will quickly find out about the 10-second rule. If you drop something sterile, and can pick it up in 10 seconds, you may consider it is still sterile. Here is another interpretation. http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/cea1926073ef012f2fdd00163e41dd5b Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: I hear what you're saying Jill - so what does my Gauss meter tell me - that the micowave even when off emits something that registers, as do the new light globes, unlike the olde ones? I will never like Smart Meters however. Jane A microwave oven uses a magnetron to convert the energy into microwaves. There is a brief explanation in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron The magnetron requires very strong magnets to force the electrons to flow in circles past the cavities. You can barely see the magnets in the photo below. The bottom magnet is the black ring below the bottom cooling fin. The top magnet is almost completely hidden near the top of the housing. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Magnetron1.jpg; I take old magnetrons apart and retrieve the magnets. They are very useful for picking up steel objects you may have dropped on the floor and can't find. They throw a strong field quite a distance outside the microwave oven. If you have a sensitive gauss meter, you will easily detect the field. It is usually on the right side of the oven about the middle. There will be very little field on the same location on the left side of the oven because it is further away from the magnetron. You can make the same measurements with an ordinary compass. The magnetic field is harmless. It is static, like the Earth's field. It may actually be weaker outside the oven than the fridge magnets you use to save notes on the fridge door. The field from the magnetron is permanent. It does not shut off when you unplug the oven. I don't know what you are referring to when you talk about light globes. I can't think of what might be in them to register on your Gauss meter, but if you gave a link to one, I might be able to find out. A Gauss meter measures DC static fields. These cannot harm you. You are immersed in a constant field from the Earth. The mesurements you get from the Gauss meter are not giving you any useful information about any dangerous conditions. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: I no longer use electrodes. I also used electrode pads for a while, but skin envetually got irritated by the adhesives. My hand-holds were gold-plated, I believe. Haven't looked at them in almost 5 years since getting an ABPA A2 to deliver the frx. I chose to be untethered. Makes normal life easier and 24/7 treatment possible, except when unplugged on the road. Then I use the ABPA A2 (battery-driven, then) for balancing only. I plug in the FScan when we get into new campground and then go on my merry way, wherever. Léna Now we are getting somewhere. I used to own two SE-5's which are an extraordinary radionics device. I used to travel around the world on business, and dealing with customer's problems and the fatigue of travel would really sap your energy. I'd call my girlfriend in California and ask her to put me on the machine, and within minutes the pain would drain away and I would start to be rejeuvinated. The ABPA A2 looks like it works on much the same principles, but it lacks a sticky pad for diagnosis: http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm However, they do say it has the same range as the SE-5. Not surprising. I found the results equally as powerful in Tokyo or Edinborough, or anywhere else I happened to be. I would be very interested in getting back into this technology. I have a lot more faith in this arrangement than trying to explain the pathogens are killed by direct contact with the electric field as in the Clark/Rife devices. That explanation just doesn't make any sense from an engineering point of view. But I will duplicate the FScan 2 just to get started. For some reason the print on the ABPA A2 manual is too small for me to read. How do you use the ABPA A2 to detect the frequencies that need treating? Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Yes, this is called iontophoresis. For example, copper is an excellent antibiotic. Hwever, it corrodes easily and can pick up all kinds of unwanted contamination. This would be injected into the flesh along with the copper ions. The velocity of the copper ions is very low since the applied electromagnetic field is so small. The ions would have to migrate through the small space between the cells and won't get very far. So the volume of flesh involved is very low, and mainly just the area in the immediate vicinity of the positive electrode. The negative electrode releases hydrogen gas and hydroxide ions, the same as in regular silver electrolysis and the electrolysis of water. The current for iontophoresis is very low, perhaps in the hundreds of microamperes. The amount of copper released into the skin is very small. You can do a Faraday calculation to see how much is delivered. For example, a current of 250uA for 45 minutes would deliver about 22ppm to a volume of 1 cubic centimeter. This might be of some use for infections that are close to the surface, such as abcesses and tooth problems, etc. However, using a high-ionic cs sublingually will work much better for dental problems and also work with the immune system to kill pathogens throughout the body. Thanks, Mike Monett The copper ions would have one significant advantage over silver in iontophoresis. Silver ions combine with the chlorine from the sodium and potassium salts in the blood plasma and form silver chloride, AgCl. The equation is Ag+ + OH- + Na+ + Cl- -- AgCl + Na+ + OH- AgCl is mostly insoluble and precipitates out as a white solid. Here is an example of a Salt Test after sublingual absorption compared to the same cs raw. Note the sublingual dispersion is a bit darker, but both dispersions completely block the black card behind the shot glass: http://silvercentral.org/zimag/3f0c5ab2.jpg This shows very little silver is absorbed into the bloodstream, only 25 parts per billion in a typical male. This is far too low to have any effect on pathogens, certainly viruses, but it is all that is needed for the immune system to do its job. Silver chloride is much less effective as an antibiotic than plain Ag+. I have heard numbers of 300 times less effective up to 10,000 times poorer. Copper doesn't have this problem, and is apparently second only to silver as an antibiotic. The reason copper avoids the problem is the huge solubility of copper(II) chloride. It is 75.7 g/100 mL at 25C. I expect the equation would be Cu++ + 2OH- + 2Na+ + 2Cl- -- CuCl2 + 2NaOH or something like that. But the CuCl2 would remain in solution at only 25 ppm, so the result would be Cu-- + 2Cl-, and the copper would be free to attack pathogens. The only problem is getting pure samples of copper and keeping them clean. So for a localized infection, copper might be worth trying. For other infections, or anything to do with viruses, sublingual silver might be more effective. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Lena, I looked at some of the other machines, but the ABPA A2 appears to be the closest to the SE-5. I trust that you looked at them also, and decided on the ABPA, so I will do the same. I will place an order for one today as soon as I get your reply. Is there anything else I should get with it? I won't need the interface adapter. I will make my own FScan 2 and it will have the correct level to drive the ABPA so I can do the same thing you are doing. The Vortex Cable looks like it is essential for the things I want to do. Fortunately it comes with the unit. Do the pads work? Is there a reason to get them? Here is the url I am looking at. Is it the correct one? http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm Thanks, Mike Monett Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: I no longer use electrodes. I also used electrode pads for a while, but skin envetually got irritated by the adhesives. My hand-holds were gold-plated, I believe. Haven't looked at them in almost 5 years since getting an ABPA A2 to deliver the frx. I chose to be untethered. Makes normal life easier and 24/7 treatment possible, except when unplugged on the road. Then I use the ABPA A2 (battery-driven, then) for balancing only. I plug in the FScan when we get into new campground and then go on my merry way, wherever. Léna Now we are getting somewhere. I used to own two SE-5's which are an extraordinary radionics device. I used to travel around the world on business, and dealing with customer's problems and the fatigue of travel would really sap your energy. I'd call my girlfriend in California and ask her to put me on the machine, and within minutes the pain would drain away and I would start to be rejeuvinated. The ABPA A2 looks like it works on much the same principles, but it lacks a sticky pad for diagnosis: http://www.biophotonanalyzer.com/products.htm However, they do say it has the same range as the SE-5. Not surprising. I found the results equally as powerful in Tokyo or Edinborough, or anywhere else I happened to be. I would be very interested in getting back into this technology. I have a lot more faith in this arrangement than trying to explain the pathogens are killed by direct contact with the electric field as in the Clark/Rife devices. That explanation just doesn't make any sense from an engineering point of view. But I will duplicate the FScan 2 just to get started. For some reason the print on the ABPA A2 manual is too small for me to read. How do you use the ABPA A2 to detect the frequencies that need treating? Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Renee, I have a lot to learn about this unit, but I found the user manual. They won't let you have it on the main site. http://altered-states.net/radionic/abpi.pdf There is a digital interface so you can input photos. I think the purpose for the photo is a bit different than simply running frequencies through it. They claim it works as good as the Polaroid, but it is very expensive: http://altered-states.net/cart/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1494; Here is some more product info: http://altered-states.net/index2.php?/radionic/news.htm Thanks, Mike Monett Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: I wish I could afford one. Reading about it--hardly anyone has a Polaroid camera anymore and they've stopped making the film, though a secondary company still makes small batches of the necessary film. So since almost no one will be able to take a Polaroid photo of themselves or their clients, how will this machine work? Most black boxes will accept spit or blood. Some say digital images, though others say a digital does not contain the necessary frequencies for the machine to 'attach' to. And--if the machine does all that it says it does, why would anyone need to attach a frequency device to run frequencies through it? It sounds like it does enough work on its own to not need external frequencies. Samala, Renee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: I got my ABPA A2 because it's what the frequency foundation had used effectively for delivering my frx. Was far too sick then to do the homework you may need to do now. Won't engage in recommendations. Lena, Lena, Thanks for the info. You have one, it works, and you are still using it. The manufacturer claims equal performance to the SE-5. That's good enough for me. I have looked at reviews of the other machines but none seem to have as complete a set of specifications as the ABPA. I'll try it and if I get anywhere close to the performance of the SE-5 I'll be happy. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Whew--that digital explanation sounds like a bunch of nonsense. A digital image is a digital image, whether it's in a flash drive, on a computer or in his device. The idea that his device is the only one that makes a loop just sounds phony. The way they make it sound would be like you'd have to do the photo taking to have that in the device, because otherwise, if someone across the country took their own photo and sent you the digital image then you stored that digital image into their device--how would it still 'track' the person, since it wasn't taken with the device itself? They are saying their device will take any digital image and then track it--but how is that possible if it's a still digital image taken days, weeks, months ago? So basically what they have is something that you input a digital image into, then it 'transfers' that image to that flat green (probably metal) sheet that fits into the photo well on the machine. Then supposedly it will track the person. Maybe because it's on the plate which fits? If that's the case then buying one of those little keychain things that hold x number of digital photos should work too, because they'd fit in the slot and would contain the digital image. Because the Awhatever machine did the tracking for the Polaroid, which means if a digital is input into the slot/well, then it should be able to track it too. And a cheap way of fitting an actual digital image into that slot, and not a printed out copy of the digital image (which probably wouldn't work as it wouldn't have the digital signal) then a small digital image holder should do the same thing as it will have the image actually showing while a flash drive simply contains the image but doesn't show it. I think all they are doing is showing the image inside the slot so the machine can 'see' it like it 'saw' the Polaroid. At least that's my theory. :) Samala, Renee I have no idea how it would work either, but it sounds pricey. Anyway, I got the shipping info from James and transferred the funds to my Paypal account, so I'm ready to go ahead with the order as soon as he replies. This would be so nice if it works and gets rid of these headaches. I sure would like to be able to sleep longer than 3 or 4 hours, and not wake up clogged full of spores with a splitting headache and all the other crap from the toxins. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: I DO hope it works for you. What a blessing huh? Do let us know. If it's that good it may be worth saving up for. It's hard to distinguish which device is worth the money because there are so many, and a number of people on various lists have different machines and most all love the ones they have. So it's hard to say which one to spend money on. Samala, Renee Thanks, Renee. If it works, I'll let you know. I tried to join two Yahoo groups but have not heard from the moderators. Can you tell me what other lists to look for? Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Thanks, Renee, Godzilla is DC, so that's plain copper iontophoreses which is perfectly legitimate. The only problem is the local volume it can treat and the difficulty of getting pure copper and keeping it clean. I hope you are not using sponges - they will simply inject whatever crud they contain into the flesh. Better to rest the copper against the jaw and hold it there with a moistened cotton swab like the ones dentists use to put in an extracted tooth to get the bleeding. Although as soon as got home, I would pull it out and soak another one in cs. It killed the pain and stopped the bleeding. I think you will find the SilverCell to work a bit better than iontophoreses since it floods the entire mouth with cs, so it gets the cavities and the gums all in one go. Another week or so and I should have the new silver. Did you build the FREX or get it from someone? I looked at the site earlier: http://www.frex.com.au/pfa2.html What kinds of things does it do? It sounds very much like the FScan2, which I plan on building for the ABPA 2. Thanks for the links. I'll sign up right away. Mike Monett Renee wrote: Oh, the only 'electric' lists I'm on is Dr. Loyds, Frex and microelectricgermkiller. I'm sure there are other good ones but since I don't have any machines (other than the Godzilla I put together and the FREX which I just recently got) and don't understand electronics enough to build one, these are the only ones I'm on. Godzilla is a simple 6 volt battery that works wonders for wounds, teeth, etc. FREX is a frequency device that does amazing things. You can download the whole frex software for free and run everything--the only thing is it is set to run for x amount of time and then you have to start it back up again, whereas if you buy the program you can set it to continous loop or however long you want it and it will run. It contains about all the different frequencies that are well known. Maybe someone else will tell us some good lists to join. If you are interested in FREX I can send the link. Going to be leaving the house for a few hours in just a moment so don't have time to--well, wait--here it is: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frex/ here's dr loyd's list http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/drloyd/ neither is specific for the frex or Dr. Loyd's devices, but Dr. Loyd works long distance with people and has remedies and tincture to buy. Frex's list owner, Ken, is a chiropractor in Australia and very well informed about alternative health protocols. Lots of good information there. Samala, Renee -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:mrmon...@pstca.com] Thanks, Renee. If it works, I'll let you know. I tried to join two Yahoo groups but have not heard from the moderators. Can you tell me what other lists to look for? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
To All, There has been a lively discussion on preventing silver tarnish lately, and a lot of good suggestions were posted, such as enclosing articles in plastic bags. Unfortunately, sulfur is a very penetrating atom and can pass through a thin polyethylene film quite easily. So ultimately the silver will get tarnished. Silver polish can remove the tarnish, but it will also remove some silver. Eventually the details will be lost and the article will be ruined. There is another way to remove the tarnish without damaging the silver. A simple electrolysis can transfer the sulfur from the silver to another metal, such as aluminum, and leave the silver untouched. The usual method is to place the article in a pan lined with aluminum foil. Add some baking soda and hot water and watch in amazement as the silver starts to shine. You can easily clean large objects this way. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Qnbn366G0feature=related Another example uses the same method to clean silver tableware. You can see how quickly the sulfur is removed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsKLcc13WBo For those who might be interested, the chemistry is easy. First, hydrogen sulfide plus a bit of water combines with the silver and forms silver sulfide: 2Ag(s) + H2S(g) = Ag2S(s) + H2(g) Now comes the magic part. When you place dissimilar metals in contact in an electrolyte, a small voltage is developed between them. You can see which metal takes a positive voltage by looking at the Galvanic Series. You will find aluminum is near the top of the graph, so it takes a positive voltage. Silver is near the bottom, so it becomes negative with respect to the aluminum: http://l-36.com/corrosion.php The baking soda becomes the electrolyte when it is added to water. It does not take part in the chemistry, but merely allows the ions to flow in the solution. The reaction at the silver cathode is 3Ag2S + 6e- -- 6Ag + 3S(2-) This says 3 molecules of silver sulfide accept 6 negative electrons from the aluminum. This restores the silver back to its original state and leaves 3 negative sulfur ions in the solution. The reaction at the aluminum anode is 2Al - 6e- -- 2Al(3+) This says 2 aluminum atoms release 6 electrons to the silver and become 2 positive aluminum ions. Now we have a match made in heaven. The aluminum and sulfur ions could combine and form aluminum sulfide: 2Al(3+) + 3S(2-) -- Al2S3 However, this will quickly decomposes back to the ionic state in water, so the aluminum foil doesn't show any change in color. You simply toss the ions down the drain when you flush the solution away. And now you have nice shiny silver without the elbow grease and without damaging the silver. I am working on a similar method to remove sulfur from the electrodes in a cs generator, but may be running into problems with residual or secondary contamination. I won't know which until a new shipment of silver arrives, hopefully soon. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: The usual method is to place the article in a pan lined with aluminum foil. Add some baking soda and hot water and watch in amazement as the silver starts to shine. You can easily clean large objects this way. Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Qnbn366G0feature=related Another example uses the same method to clean silver tableware. You can see how quickly the sulfur is removed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsKLcc13WBo Sorry, I got the links swapped. The top one belongs on the bottom and viceversa. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: I DO hope it works for you. What a blessing huh? Do let us know. If it's that good it may be worth saving up for. It's hard to distinguish which device is worth the money because there are so many, and a number of people on various lists have different machines and most all love the ones they have. So it's hard to say which one to spend money on. Samala, Renee Renee, It's on the way. Should get it next week. I expect it will take some time to learn how to use it. My girlfriend tried to show me how to use the SE-5, but I was always too hyper from business. Things have calmed down since I retired, but now I have to fight to concentrate due to the mold toxins. Hopefully the instrument is as easy to use as the instuctions indicate. If it works, I will certainly let you know! You sure have collected a lot of different healing methods! I wonder how many others there are you haven't mentioned yet:) Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Thanks Mike - I remember hearing about this ages ago and wondering how it worked! Jane Thanks, Jane. That was thoughtful of you. Chemistry is so easy - at least the stuff we deal with. It is impossible to understand something unless you can view the equations and see how it works. I wish more people took an interest in doing this. You don't need a graduate level course - just learn how to balance equations. There are many good tutorials on the web. And the more you learn, the easier it becomes to learn more. So you have a nice feedback loop going. And there is so much satisfaction in being able to look at an equation and being able to read it, and understand what is going on. The reason it is so good to learn how to balance equations, is you have to go through all the things in your mind as you are reading an equation. Having to do all the individual steps forces your mind to pay attention to each one. When you are done, your mind says Voila! That's how it works! And now you have learned something new! And each one you do makes it easier to do the next one, so you quickly build up a large understanding of how things work. This makes it easy to learn more. I find if an author cannot write a balanced equation to describe what he is talking about, he usually gets it wrong. Without correct equations, it is so easy to make mistakes it's not even funny. But the equations force you to stay on the straight and narrow, and you are more likely to get it right. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKeeping the same polarity rods
Thomas Soares thomas.tschoe...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings. As a beginner i have yet some newbie doubts... After some reading one can find opposite directions about the inversion or not of the electrical polarity applied on the silver rods. Sometimes the suggestion is to keep the positive and the negative always in the same rods. Other times the indication is to switch polarities each new batch of CS production. What is the indication in this list ? Thanks. Thomas TS. Hi Thomas, Welcome to the list! If you are running the fairly high current densities that are used in conventional cs generators, you can swap the polarity for each new batch. This will equalize the wear on the electrodes and give the longest life. If you are running at lower current that does not produce silver hydroxide, and you have u-shaped electrodes at least 3/4 inch across the bottom, you can wait until tiny whiskers grow on the cathode electrode and reach a length of about 1/8 inch. Then swap the polarity and continue brewing until the whiskers disappear from the first electrode and start to appear on the opposite electrode. When they again reach about 1/8 inch, terminate the brew and pour the cs into your storage jar. I prefer the PETE bottles used in the Dasani and Aquifina deionized/demineralized water. These have the least amount of leaching from the plastic. Following this procedure will give a much higher silver ion concentration since the process does not make silver hydroxide, which forces you to terminate the brew early. You can continue brewing for a much longer time and gain the benefit of a much more potent brew. For example, the SilverCell process will easily reach 35uS to 37uS, and may decrease to 31uS to 32uS after the brew has been placed in storage. A conventional brew will be very hard to reach 18uS or higher, and most likely will be around 10uS to 12uS. I just posted some pictures of the whiskers so you can see what they look like. They are in a post on my forum where I discuss these issues with a Russian member who is also making his first generator. The pictures appear in http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/586?l=1 If you have any questions please post. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTitanium Anodes, Chainsaw Oil
To All, Renee and I have been enjoying a long discussion on using titanium anodes for desulfurization, and the effect of chainsaw oil used to lubricate the dies for drawing silvr wire. Some might be interested in this, so I'l give the url of the start of the discussion: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/567?l=1 Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder how much of an influence ones belief system has on the eventual success or failure of these treatments,no matter what they are called. Just an observation. T Very good observation. I think trust and lack of education in basic principles has a lot to do with it. If you want to believe something, and don't know how it works, it makes a lot easier to trust. Madoff used that principle and it cost a lot of people a lot of money. Health is a similar issue. If you are sick, you want to get well. If someone offers something that might cure the problem, you tend to want to believe them. Bob Beck used that to promote the Zapper. He claimed it would kill all pathogens and parasites, including HIV and other nasties. But he forgot to tell people that electrons cannot flow in water, and therefore cannot reach pathogens to kill them. As a physicist, he certainly knew this fact, but he failed to disclose it the entire time he was pitching his Zappers. He also used stainless steel electrodes. This can release hexavalent chromium in electrolysis. I posted information on this earlier. But people still believe Zapping works. There are several Yahoo groups still trying to find evidence that it does anything at all. Then, of course, there are the financial aspects. If someone has an interest in selling you something, the sale pitch can promise anything. If you want to believe it, you will tend to accept anything. The problem is if someone has a serious illness and gets hooked on some of these ideas, they could die. Hulda Clark promised she could cure cancer. She died from it, and a lot of other people did also. Cancer, MRSA, HIV, SARS, and other threats are real. Some can be treated successfuly, others cannot. So if you are one of the unlucky ones, you will tend to grasp at straws and believe anything that promises a cure. But I'd do a lot of research and look for the hidden flaws that they are trying to keep from you. Very good observation. Thanks for posting. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
olushola camara camaramah...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: But he forgot to tell people that electrons cannot flow in water, and therefore cannot reach pathogens to kill them. Tell that to the thousands of people electrocuted in their bathtub. Current is the flow of charge; and guess what charge is? Olushola In metals, current flow is in the form of electrons. They are negatively charged and move from the negative electrode to the positive electrode. In electrolytes, current flow is in theform of ions. Positively charged ions are usually metals, such as silver, calcium, sodium, potassium, zinc, copper, and so on. They flow from the positive terminal to the negative, and are called cations. They are balanced by an equal flow of negatively-charged ions that flow towards the anode. The are called anions. Examples are hydroxide, sulfur, etc. All life processes depend on the control of ions to perform various tasks and to build structures like bone, trees, etc. If electrons could flow in water, all life processes would immediately cease, since electron flow would bypass these processes. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
Mark markyd...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Forgive my limited knowledge, but if current uses ions to flow, then having silver, zinc, copper in the body would help a zapper or any other such device reach the organs/glands to help kill bacteria and virus'? Regards, Mark Yes, this is called iontophoresis. For example, copper is an excellent antibiotic. Hwever, it corrodes easily and can pick up all kinds of unwanted contamination. This would be injected into the flesh along with the copper ions. The velocity of the copper ions is very low since the applied electromagnetic field is so small. The ions would have to migrate through the small space between the cells and won't get very far. So the volume of flesh involved is very low, and mainly just the area in the immediate vicinity of the positive electrode. The negative electrode releases hydrogen gas and hydroxide ions, the same as in regular silver electrolysis and the electrolysis of water. The current for iontophoresis is very low, perhaps in the hundreds of microamperes. The amount of copper released into the skin is very small. You can do a Faraday calculation to see how much is delivered. For example, a current of 250uA for 45 minutes would deliver about 22ppm to a volume of 1 cubic centimeter. This might be of some use for infections that are close to the surface, such as abcesses and tooth problems, etc. However, using a high-ionic cs sublingually will work much better for dental problems and also work with the immune system to kill pathogens throughout the body. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
Evan Jones evanj.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Mike Monet wrote: Yes, this is called iontophoresis. I thought this is polite list? Is such language appropriate in a list of full old ladies and polite people? Google is great for questions like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iontophoresis http://www.rexresearch.com/becker/becker1.htm http://www.touchbriefings.com/pdf/2514/michniak_kohn.pdf Thanks, Mike Monett (2 t's please) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Guyot Lena drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Hi T, I've been a certified hypnotherapist, so I know suggestion can play a very important role in immune-boosting, pain mitigation, etc.. I've even seen the visualization of turning off a spigot stop a hemophiliac's bleed. That said, the 10-day herx-from-hell I experienced after a few initial Rife treatmernts went WAY beyond anything I'd ever experienced (even 20 hours of back-ache labor) and it was nothing my mind could have possibly cooked up, or alleviated. Indeed, it was only the steadying knowledge that I'd effectively killed pathogens and was having a Jarisch-Herxheimer response that kept me from racing to the E.R. where I knew I would encounter only ignorance of Lyme and derision of Rifing (if I'd been fool enough to mention it) Backing off on the frx at the herx onset and learning detox helped and I learned to respect what frequencies can do, both to our critters, and to us, once dead pathogens become toxins. [...] I've seen my Rife machine (FScan 2) wipe out shingles, trigeminal nerve pain, and many other, easier, pathogen-based afflictions in friends. They humored me and have used my funny gizmo, only to be surprised at the results. [..] Be well, Lena Hi Lena, I am glad you are getting well. I suspect you are correct that suggestion can play a significant role in healing. I think you see references to this in many other areas of healing. I was interested in your FScan 2, and found that anyone with a bit of knowledge can duplicate it for less than $50.00, or about 1/100 of the normal list price. Although I have seen sales for $3,995, so that's only 80 times less. There are many ways to do it. I'd use a simple AD9833 DDS chip. Here are the specs: 0 MHz to 12.5 MHz Output Frequency Range Sinusoidal/Triangular/Square Wave Output 0.1 Hz Resolution 10-Lead Mini Small Outline Package (MSOP) Here's the Datasheet http://datasheet.octopart.com/AD9833BRMZ-Analog-Devices-datasheet-36115.pdf; It is available for $5.98 at Verical http://octopart.com/parts/search?q=AD9833 A couple of high speed op amps would complete the electronics, and titanium electrodes would work just as well as gold-plated and be a lot cheaper. Say $1.30 for the pair. A simple arduino controller would provide the interface: http://www.arduino.cc/ The pc would select the desired modes and frequencies, so the software would be extremely easy. The frequency scan would be much, much faster than the FScan 2. The complete set of F-Scan Frequencies are available at many sites. Here are a few: http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/F-Scan_Frequency_Files.zip; http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL_FSCAN_2_Frequencies.htm; http://electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CrossReference.htm; I am very interested in your 10-day herx. True Herxheimer only lasts for a few hours in Syphilis, which is a spirochete bacterium, and is pretty nasty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction I wonder what could be causing such a lengthy reaction. It would imply you had such a huge bacteria load it should have killed you long before. And if it was bacteria die-off, why didn't it happen all at once? I am inclined to build one some weekend and subject myself to a treament and see if I can duplicate your herx. I'm sure I must have a lot of bugs and things floating around. It would be interesting to see what the scan brought up and what happened if they were killed. One more question. If these devices worked as you say, why aren't they used in every hospital and clinic everywhere? Alternative health clinics are not prohibited from using just about anything they want. It would seem these machines would be the ideal tool for any infection. I'll look into this some more. This is so easy to duplicate it wouldn't cost much to try. And I'd like to get some answers to my questions. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous: Open-mindedness to healing modalities
Lena, Apparently there were several different versions of the FScan 2. What material are your electrodes made of? Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: [...] No meter will measure PPM, but the numbers are about the same between a devise that will measure PPM and conductivity readings from a meter that won't at around 10-12 uS =10-12 PPM.after the conductivity stops dropping. The relationship slews off each way in both directions from there a little bit for a good guess and beyond 30 uS, all bets run off into make a wild guess. Ode If you are seeing a significnt conductivity drop after the brew is finished, you have a contamination problem, most likely silver sulfide, or severe leaching from your soda-lime glass. This can easily give 60% drop in conductivity. If you remove the contamination, the conductivity drop should be around 8% or less. The conductivity of a solution is defined as the reciprocal of the resistance of a 1cm cube. The conductivity is directly proportional to the number of charge carriers in the solution. This is a linear function over the entire range of conductivities we use. For example, the Hanna HI 7033 Calibration Solution is 84uS/cm at 25C. This is a single point calibration, meaning all other measurements fit on a straight line down to zero and are a linear function of the conductivity. For silver and hydroxide ions, the relationship between conductivity and ppm is 1uS = 1 ppm, providing you have no contamination. I did a study long ago that shows this. Note the measurements cover the range of 3.3uS to 26uS. Here is the url: http://silvercentral.org/measure/1us2ppm.htm There is no reason to expect any deviation above this value, for example in the SilverCell process that can easily reach 44uS. If your measurements indicate the results above 30uS are a wild guess, then there is something seriously wrong with your measurements, or you have significant contamination problems, or both. Since you seem to be insensitive to contamination problems, I would guess both. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbacteria
Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com wrote: What is 30uSilver Cell cs? Hi Kathy, This is a new colloidal silver process I am working on. It distinguishes itself by operating at a very low current so it does not produce silver hydroxide which forces you to terminate the brew. Since it is not limited by the production of silver hydroxide, you can swap the polarity to the electrodes and continue brewing. This allows you to obtain a much higher silver ion concentration than conventional generators. I verify the ion concentration using the Salt Test, the Faraday calculation, the Hanna and COM-100 pwt's and the Conductance Plot. I also monitor the brew for contamination, and am apparently the only one on the planet who pays any attention to this problem. It can be very severe. Most vendors of cs generators claim it does not exist. They must have some miracle cure for silver tarnish that no one else knows about. I am having bad contamination issues at the moment that I am having problems tracing, but you can see some of the data at my Yahoo forum at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/messages I also have a preliminary web site that discusses some of the advantages. It is at http://www.silvercentral.org/ I posted brief instructions for you on how to build one at http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg145224.html Please let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbacteria
Re: CSbacteria Ode Coyote Mon, 07 May 2012 04:13:10 -0700 I've gone as high as 87 uS...but it went deep yellow in a few days and eventually dropped back to 30 uS. PPM unknown, but well over 87. 25 to 30 uS is easy, but not generally very stable staying colorless...depends on the water mostly. Ode Ken, 87uS down to 30uS is a 65% drop. That is the worst case of contamination I have seen so far. I have seen a 60% drop, but you have it beat by a mile. I will use your post as a reference from now on to show how bad it can get. The big question is where is it coming from. If it were sulfide, the cs would be deep amber. So it has to be something else. One guess might be interactions from the hematite stirrer. This material has many crevices that can contain anything. I don't know what else could be causing the contamination, but one of the first things I will do when I get the SilverCell assembly instructions posted will be to fire up the Silverpuppy I bought from you, document the circuit in LTspice, modify it so I can take measurements, and start running brews to find out what is going on. I will of course post all the information I come across. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
Ken, I'm sure glad you know how to tell the difference, and left all the good stuff! And thanks for confirming my figure of a 60% drop in conductivity with your own measurments of 65%. That shows the problem is real and affects everyone. Thanks, Mike Monett Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: Hogwash deleted. Ode At 06:21 AM 5/7/2012 -0400, you wrote: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: [...] No meter will measure PPM, but the numbers are about the same between a devise that will measure PPM and conductivity readings from a meter that won't at around 10-12 uS =10-12 PPM.after the conductivity stops dropping. The relationship slews off each way in both directions from there a little bit for a good guess and beyond 30 uS, all bets run off into make a wild guess. Ode If you are seeing a significnt conductivity drop after the brew is finished, you have a contamination problem, most likely silver sulfide, or severe leaching from your soda-lime glass. This can easily give 60% drop in conductivity. If you remove the contamination, the conductivity drop should be around 8% or less. The conductivity of a solution is defined as the reciprocal of the resistance of a 1cm cube. The conductivity is directly proportional to the number of charge carriers in the solution. This is a linear function over the entire range of conductivities we use. For example, the Hanna HI 7033 Calibration Solution is 84uS/cm at 25C. This is a single point calibration, meaning all other measurements fit on a straight line down to zero and are a linear function of the conductivity. For silver and hydroxide ions, the relationship between conductivity and ppm is 1uS = 1 ppm, providing you have no contamination. I did a study long ago that shows this. Note the measurements cover the range of 3.3uS to 26uS. Here is the url: http://silvercentral.org/measure/1us2ppm.htm There is no reason to expect any deviation above this value, for example in the SilverCell process that can easily reach 44uS. If your measurements indicate the results above 30uS are a wild guess, then there is something seriously wrong with your measurements, or you have significant contamination problems, or both. Since you seem to be insensitive to contamination problems, I would guess both. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMacular Degeneration
Nenah Sylver Mon, 07 May 2012 18:16:27 -0700 Sol and everyone, My new website has an article I wrote that appeared in the Townsend Letter; was reprinted in Nexus in English, Nexus in German, and in Korean; and eventually made its way in a slightly different form into my Rife Handbook as Appendix C. It's called Healing with Electromedicine and Sound Therapies and can be downloaded free as a pdf file here: http://www.nenahsylver.com/free-electromedicine-article.html I mention this because it discusses laser and LED therapy, and once you read this you'll understand the principles about using LEDs on closed eyelids (and lasers not at all on the eyes). Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD Nenah, I am an engineer with over 50 years of experience in electromagnetic fields. I did not finish reading your paper. I stopped at your discussion of Rife technology. Here are some problems you do not address: 1. A bacteria is immersed in a plasma that has a certain dielectric constant. The bacteria encloses a plasma that has a similar dielectric constant. An incoming electric field cannot distinguish the boundary between the two. There will be negligible force against the wall of the bacteria. This means you cannot shake the bacteria with an applied electric field. 2. There is no resonant frequency that will affect bacteria. Bacteria are not solid brittle things like glass. They cannot be shaken at some resonant frequency and fall apart or break. This is called damping, and it is a very important engineering principle. It is what makes your shock absorbers function. If you have ever tried to drive a car that has no shock absorbers, you will quickly end up in the ditch. Bacteria are very well damped. 3. High frequencies travel on the outside of a body. This is called skin effect. The energy falls off quickly as you try to penetrate the flesh. This is why it is so difficult to contact nuclear submarines. We have a similar salt content to the ocean. Not exact, but close. 4. The harmonics of a signal fall off very quickly with harmonic number. There is negligible energy at the frequencies that might affect bacteria. The combination of skin effect and harmonic loss assures that no bacteria will ever be harmed by applying a signal external to a body. 5. If there were any effect from an applied field, it would also affect mammal cells. This is an important issue if you are trying to kill cancer cells. If you could get the penetration needed to affect pathogens or cancer cells, you would also kill the cells you are trying to protect. There is no way to avoid this. Rife technology does not require the AMA or other institutions to kill it. It only works for gullible individuals who may have more money than common sense. I am cetain your LED dissertation contains similar oversights. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Was: CSMacular Degeneration now The Mike Monett List
Was: CSMacular Degeneration now The Mike Monett List Craig Chamberlin Mon, 07 May 2012 19:44:26 -0700 Well, now that the list has reverted to the Mike Monett list, I must away. Smitty will you let me know when its over, please. Thanks, Craig Thanks for spelling my name right. So few people can do that. Your association with Nenah is well known, so it is understandable you would have a reaction to observations on the Rife claims. Did you know this is a colloidal silver list? It would seem Rife has very little to do with silver ions. There may be some other reason for supporting Rife, but I can't think of one. If you can find a counterargument or flaw in any part of my discussion, please come forward. Leaving in a huff does not change the facts. Although you have probably found the key to unsubscribing by now. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMacular Degeneration
David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mike, Electromagnetic fields can definitely affect microbes. There are you tube videos of paramecium just disintegrating into 1,000s of pieces within seconds upon being exposed to specific harmonic frequencies simultaneously. The rife machine they used was the GB4000. I can't find the links at the moment, but they are there. Aside from that, anyone who has lyme disease will sure as hell tell you that 432hz makes you herx. It is so reliable I use it as a diagnostic tool to diagnose my misdiagnosed friends who don't believe they have lyme. People with lyme herx. Everyone else feels nothing. Many people have recovered from lyme with rife machines. David David, I have watched those Youtube videos. They are fake. That is why I am questioning the Rife claims. I have observed your claims in other areas, such as 100 ppm cs, while disregarding the amber color which is a clear sign on sulfur contamination, and 0.1uS cs, which is impossible outside a clean lab with high purity plumbing. You have no idea of what it takes to observe a process and eliminate all the extraneous factors in order to come to an understanding of what is happening. Your claims of diagnosing or curing Lyme with Rife fall short. I certainly would not trust any procedure that fails so many basic and fundamental physics issues. When you can answer my observations on Rife, please let me know. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWas: Macular Degeneration; Is: Being Courteous
Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: If someone doesn't agree with others, being nasty is uncalled for. You can simply say, I don't agree, and explain why. I thought I was being kind. Did you detect any unpleasantness in my phrasing? I brought up my electromedicine article because there was a discussion on this group about macular degeneration, which evolved into the use of LEDs, which my article discusses. So I thought my writing might prove helpful. For those of you who use Rife Therapy and know that it indeed works, you might be interested to know that over the course of several decades, there have been a few thousand articles published on the use of EM fields / pulsed magnetic fields / pulsed electrical fields etc. to heal infectious and degenerative conditions and restore cell function. Here is a link to the articles that were published in respected medical journals. Do you intend on explaining how you can bypass the basic fundamental physics questions I raised, or do you intend on ignoring these issues? http://www.emf-portal.org/_index.php You'll have to do some digging, but it's a fascinating site and your searches may be worth it. A promoter works the same way in any field. When you have money at stake, it is best to ignore the facts. Interestingly, the name Rife is not used in these articles (to the best of my knowledge) due to the hostility that the name can elicit at times. As we have seen here. But it's similar therapy. Then it has the same issues that need to be addresed. Please answer them. Each one if you please. All the best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD author, the NEW Rife Handbook (2011) Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbacteria
as the ions. But the solubility of silver chloride will allow some of the ions to remain in solution. When these are used up killing the H. pylori, more ions will come out of the precipitate and attack the bacteria. Good luck. If you have any questions, please post. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTesting PPM of ionic silver
I missed Melly's post so I will reply through here. TDS meters can have different calibration depensing on the application. One is a factor of 2 different from conductivity measured with a pwt. The other calibration is a different number. You often cannot tell which number was used to calibrate the TDS. So you cannot simply double the reading. If you have a pwt also, simply measure the cs with both meters and take the ratio. This will tell you what the calibration factor is. You most likely have some silver sulfide tarnish on the electrodes from automobile combustion and other sources. This releases sulfur ions into the solution during the brew and can significantly disrupt the brew. The sulfur contamination cannot be detected with a pwt. By far the best way to detemine the quality of your cs is with the Salt Test. It is immune to the contamination and will give you a direct indication of the silver ion content. Please see the following link for more information. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/560?l=1 Thanks, Mike Monett Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: Both meters measure conductivity and particles aren't conductive. You have it backwards. Meters detect ONLY ionic content. The PWT doesn't run the conductivity number through an equation meant for salt water. Roughly double a TDS number to get what a PWT says. No meter will measure PPM, but the numbers are about the same between a devise that will measure PPM and conductivity readings from a meter that won't at around 10-12 uS =10-12 PPM.after the conductivity stops dropping. The relationship slews off each way in both directions from there a little bit for a good guess and beyond 30 uS, all bets run off into make a wild guess. Ode At 06:56 PM 5/5/2012 -0700, you wrote: Monette M mentioned that ionic silver 20+ PPM is good to take when one is ill. How does one measure ionic silver's ppm. I have both PWT and TDS meters and i understand they measure colloidal silver's particles. Thanks. Melly -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbacteria
Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com wrote: The Dr. found a bacteria 'helicobacter pylari' in my stomach, Right now I'm on anti-botic, but I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this bacteria. And how CS would work on it? I take a maintance of CS, but it did not keep me from getting the bacteria.Thanks for your info Kathy My post has not filtered through the system so it may have got lost. But I would like to add this is a good reason why taking a weak cs is a bad idea. All you ar doing is killing off the weak pathogens. The strong ones will grow and now you have nothing that will affect them. The same problem exists with antibiotics. The doctor will tell you to take the entire prescription even if you start feeling well. It is the same reason. The weak ones die first. The strong ones take longer to kill. If you stop partway through, you let the strong ones survive, and now the doctor may have nothing to fight the infection with. The same problem exists with feeding antibiotics to farm animals. The FDA is apparently looking into regulating this, but it is already far too late. The antibiotic-resistant bacteria are already out in the field. For this reason, it is important to have the strongest cs you can make. The SilverCell process will produce a silver ion content in excess of 30uS, even if you don't get the procedure optimized. The key is to use a very low cell current. This prevents or eliminates the production of silver hydroxide. Normally, you must stop the brew when this occurs. This limits the silver ion concentration you can achieve. But since the SilverCell process produces no AgOH, or a minimal amount, you can simply swap the polarity and continue brewing. This allows you to easily reach 35uS or 37uS. There will be a small reduction after you put the cs in the storage container. This will bring the reading down to 31uS or so. If the reading drops a lot more, you have contamination on the electrodes. It is usually sulfur tarnish from automobile combustion. It can be very difficult to remove, but I am having good success desulfurizing with a titanium anode. However, I am running into a secondary contamination problem that I am not sure where it is coming from. So until I can determine the source, and am certain it is not from the titanium, I would not recommend using it yet. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbacteria
Mike Monett 0c47ef64...@teksavvy.com wrote: I'm still having problems with lost emails. This is a repost. Sorry if the original shows up later. holycow - I sent two and got four copies back. The original has disappeared and none of them have shown up in the archives. Sorry for the dupes. I don't know what is causing the problem. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbacteria
Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
Your snipped quotes 1. You need the strongest ionic cs you can
get. 2. I usually take my 30uS SilverCell cs sublingually, then
spit it out.
1. One can achieve that by using conventional equipment and
ingesting their home made product *immediately* after cessation of
production, definitely consume it within 12 hours cos for every
hour it stands, ions will be lost.
2. I usually take my 15-18uS *immediately* upon cessation of the
brewing process {if/when I choose to} and simply swallow it. As
stated earlier, to flood.
N.
Neville,
1. You will never reach or exceed 30uS with conventional techniques
that use high current density above 500uA per square inch, wire less
than 12 ga or flat sheet electrodes, and straight rods or tight
loops on the U-channel less than 1/2 wide, or stirring and polarity
reversal techniques.
These will restrict you to much less than 20uS, and most likely you
will remain around 10uS to 12uS. This is not strong enough to kill
the most difficult pathogens such as Herpes Simplex, Herpes Zoster
(2nd attack), and obviously has little or no effect on H. Pylori,
since that is what the lady was using when she got her ulcer. You
need the strongest cs you can make, and you cannot make it using
conventional methods.
2. You can store cs indefinitely. There should be less than 10% loss
in conductivity when you place the cs in storage.
If you are losing more than this after you place the cs in storage,
you have serious contamination problems, usually due to silver
sulfide, Ag2S. This will disrupt the brewing process and give false
measurements on your pwt meter. You can use the Salt Test to verify
the ion concentration, since it is immune to contamination.
Tarnish on silver is unavoidable due to numerous sources of sulfur,
such as automobile combustion, rubber material such as tires stored
in the garage or basement, lead acid car batteries, fingerprints on
the electrodes, and other sources too numerous to name. It was a big
problem back in the middle ages when cars and rubber did not exist,
and it has just gotten worse since then.
It is extremely difficult to remove Ag2S from the electrodes. I am
trying different methods, such as desulfurization using aluminum or
titanium anodes. I appear to still have residual or secondary
contamination, so I do not recommend trying these techniques yet.
You could also have contamination leaching from your cs generator or
storage container. One of the reasons for using a borosilicate
beaker is it has very little leaching. Plain soda-lime can have
significant leaching problems that can disrupt the brewing process
and give false readings on a pwt. I store my cs in a clean Dasani or
Aquafina bottle. These are made of PETE which one of the lowest
leaching plastics you can find.
3. There is no need to swallow an entire brew. If you have a high
ion concentration, say 30uS, you can use sublingual absorption and
spit it out after 12 minutes. This will give less than 27 parts per
billion absorption into the blood stream for a typical male, which
is all that is needed for the immune system to do its job. It will
also mean your cs will last longer, so you don't have to do a brew
as often. This will save you time.
A tremendous benefit of this technique is the cs will kill the
dental bacteria that cause gum disease and tooth decay. It will
penetrate the tartar and cause it to fall off. When it does, you can
feel the hollow that the bacteria was making in your tooth.
Using cs this way will reduce the number of visits to the dentist. I
don't know how much a vist costs in your area, but I used to spend
$270 to $300 each time. I no longer have this expense.
That will pay for a lot of silver.
Thanks,
Mike Monett
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Re: CSbacteria
I forgot to mention. You cannot measure the conductance during or immediately after the brew. The ions are not uniformly distributed, and this will give you a false reading. You have to pour the cs into your PETE storage container, then pour a small amount into a cup, and measure that. The pouring will mix the ions so they are more uniform, just like stirring the sugar and milk in your coffee. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbacteria
Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't need to worry about this either, I use a magnetic stirrer, the ions can't get any better distributed than that. Even when I followed the procedure you describe here I got the same 'false?' readings, so from experience it's six of one and half a dozen of the other, however, those readings are 'false?' enough to satisfy me g. Yes, stirring will definitely mix up the ions. It will also severely limit the maximum silver ion concentration you can achieve. So there may be a severe contamination problem if you are measuring 15uS. But you don't care what results you get, so I won't. Thanks, Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Many seem to quote wikipedia, I doubt this source is all that reliable. I certainly wouldn't quote from it as any form of authority on subject matters such as these anyway, and I'm only a mug punter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from all my readings about Rife his *personal* researched material was destroyed, and his sidekicks attempted to duplicate from memory did they not? And I'm not exactly sure if *everything* he did was documented? Again from my readings, he failed to repeat his purported successes after the ruination of him and the destruction of his material. N. I did not invoke Rife. Jason did. Wikipedia is far more accurate than the postings on this forum. Wikipedia gives references. That rarely happens here. Studies have shown Wikipedia is at least as accurate as Encyclopedia Britannica. As in anything, you have to do your own research to verify the facts. google is an excellent resource. There is no need to invoke the destruction of Rife's equipment. The references #5 and #8 in the Wikipedia rticle show the description of a Zapper used to treat cancer based on Rife's design. It is similar to the Zapper proposed by Clark, and would be equally incapable of doing anything to reach or to harm bacteria. It would be impossible to destroy knowledge of such a simple device. According to reference 8 in the Wikipedia article, The device was invented a century ago by Albert Abrams (1864-1924), an American physician who became a millionaire and was branded by the American Medical Association the dean of gadget quacks. His research was refined by a Californian pathologist, Raymond Royal Rife (1888-1971) If this device worked as claimed, there would have been no illness caused by pathogens long before the start of WWII. There would be no need for the discovery of penicillin and other antibiotics. Everyone would have one in the home, and hospitals would be reduced to setting the occasional bone. We would not have MRSA, and Lyme disease would not exist. There would be no HIV. None of this has come to pass. Thanks, Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Tony Moody a...@new.co.za wrote: But that kind of circuit is a real pain (if not impossible) to get reliable low current. OK, Tony Tony, The LM317 has a minimum load current of 3.5mA. This is far too high for a typical cs generator. It is also limited to input/output voltage differential of 40V max. This is too low for some cs generators and the LM317 will saturate at the start of the brew. It will mess up the Faraday calculations. However,itis trivial to getastable, precision temperature-compensated constant current source at microampere current levels. All it takes is two resistors, a TL431, and a high voltage npn transistor such as a 2N5550. The 2N5550 will take up to 160V, which is far more than most cs generators will need. I use it with excellent results. It is perfectly stable without bypass capacitors and needs no compensation. The TL431 has internal compensation that determines the open loop gain margin and stability. The load is isolated from the loop since it is in the collector of the 2N5550, and anything you tack on the output cannot affect the loop gain. The circuit is shown in Figure 29, Precision Constant-Current Sink, on page 18 of http://www.tkhifi.com/datablade/tl431.pdf The equation is Rs = 2.5 / Ic where Ic = desired cell current Rs = current setting resistor Note, the current source shown as Figure 28, Precision Current Limiter, on page 17, won't work as a current source. The parts only cost a few pennies. Octopart will help you find vendors. Here is the 2N5550: http://octopart.com/parts/search?q=2n5550 Here is the TL431: http://octopart.com/parts/search?q=tl431 Thanks, Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
this to market in the near future, but I will post free plans for a manual version you can make for very little cost. In the meantime, any time you want to talk circuits and systems, let me know. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Tony Moody a...@new.co.za wrote: On 3 May 2012 at 17:23, Mike Monett wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Mike, They taste different. How do you explain that?? OK, Tony Tony, What tastes different? Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: At this point, the particles are far too small to show up as Tyndall, and cannot be seen with the naked eye. However, they will eventually combine due to van Der Walls forces and form larger particles. Oops, I spelled van der Waals incorrectly and had the wrong capitalization. Here is the correct version. Van is capitalized if it is at the beginning of a sentence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hi Mike, Regarding Zappers, it sounds like you are talking about the devices that Hulda Clark popularized over the past 20 years or so (I first read her books in 1994 or so). Is that the case? I use a zapper occasionally if I get a bad cold or upper respiratory infection. But I have never heard of what you mentioned about the copper hand holds depositing copper ions into the skin (I covered them with 2 layers of paper towel), or other materials, depositing who knows what into the skin. Do you have a recommendation on a material that is safe to use with a Zapper? I have found the zapper to be extremely useful at times of viral or bacterial infection - it doesn't seem to cure the problem outright, but it definitely seems to have a positive effect (in my case, pain or congestion in the sinuses or throat is usually alleviated for a few hours after a zapping session). -Ken Ken, Zappers were proposed by Bob Beck and Hulda Clark. Beck claimed to be a physicist, and would have known that electrons cannot flow in an electrolyte. However, he claimed his Zapper could do just that and that it would cure all diseases. Here is a 1998 talk where Beck claims his Zapper will kill ALL pathogens and parasites, including HIV. He claims the blood circulates in the body in 9 or 10 seconds (5:00). This is false. It takes a minute or so. Note also that he uses stainless steel electrodes. Please see below for more information. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC7M_rhg2yU Clearly the device does not do what he claims. If it did, HIV would not exist, and we would not need antibiotics. Every hospital and clinic would be using them instead. That is obviously not true. Hulda Clark has a slightly different version and made much the same claims. However, she also claimed to have the ability to cure cancer. However, Hulda Clark died of cancer in 2009. From Wikipedia: Clark's claims and devices have been dismissed by authorities ranging from the US Federal Trade Commission and Food and Drug Administration to alternative medicine figures such as Andrew Weil asscientifically unfounded, bizarre,[3] and potentially fraudulent.[2] Clark died 3 September 2009 of multiple myeloma (a blood and bone cancer).[4][5][6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark Hulda's Zapper supposedly worked by shaking or vibrating a germ until it falls apart, like the famous Memorex commercial that shatters a wine glass. However, bacteria are not brittle like crystal, and there is no way any energy from a Zapper could reach them. The first problem is skin effect that causes high frequencies to travel on the outside of a body and not penetrate very deeply. The second problem is the energy in the harmonics falls off extremely rapidly, and there is negligible energy at the frequencies that might resonate with a bacterial cell. Again, if her device worked as she claims, we would no longer have any illness, and all the pharmaceutical companies would have gone out of business long ago. These devices would be used in every home and clinic, and about the only thing we would need doctors for would be the occasional broken bone. None of this has happened. Your sinus irritation might be caused by low humidity which dries the sinuses. It could also be caused by irritation from the toxins in mold spores, possibly from your pillow. It could be caused by mold spores coming from padded furniture or an infestation buried in walls or some hidden place in the basement. In these cases, the Zapper has no effect and the soreness is simply going away by itself as you move about or open the windows for ventilation. The copper ions released by the iontophoreses travel very slowly, especially with the low voltage present. It is very unlikely that a Zapper is able to do anything to help bacterial infections that are located more than a few centimeters beneath the surface. It is extremely unlikely that Zapping will have any effect on viral infections. However, copper is easily corroded and it is very difficult to find pure copper that has not been contaminated by oxidation or other sources. The copper in wire is very pure, but the insulation material releases contamination that quickly embeds into the surface. Also, the manufacturing process does nothing to remove the lubrication needed to draw the wire through the dies, so they remain on the surface where they will migrate inwards over a period of time. I just went through a lengthy exercise to try to scrap and sand the contamination from the surface of 12 ga copper wire. Even though I removed a substantial amount of material from the surface, the
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Hi Jason, No reputable researcher has been able to duplicate Royal Rife's results. From Wikipedia: Rife's claims could not be independently replicated, [5] and were ultimately discredited by the medical profession in the 1950s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rife Many of the claims attributed to Tesla never happened. None of Beck's claims that he made in the YouTube video have materialized. There is nothing you can do to change the fact electrons cannot flow in an electrolyte. A blood analysis doesn't mean much. It is a complex procedure that is easily derailed by poor technique or measurements. The fundamental proof is does it work? The answer is no. Most of the effects attributed to zappers can easily be explained by other factors. I am an expert in instrumentation design and analysis. My credentials are as follows: 1. I am a retired electronics engineer with over 50 years of experience in instrumentation and control systems. These are among the most difficult fields in electronics. 2. I had my own company from 1976 until I retired recently. 3. I have been awarded 6 US patents involving hard disk drives. My patent list is here: http://pstca.com/patents.htm The statements I made are obviously true and can be observed by anyone. These devices are not used in clinics or any place where their performance can be monitored and verified. There is no need to belittle contamination on the electrodes. It is a very real and significant problem. Ignoring it could cause you serious harm. I once got some kind of contamination on my silver electrodes when I laid them on my workbench and they must have touched a spot of oil or grease. I was so sick after taking cs made with these electrodes that it took three days in bed to recover. I now keep a second glass to hold the assembly while I am filling the cs generator with dw or emptying the cs, and I do not allow the electrodes to touch anything. Do not underestimate the danger of contamination. It can really harm you. There is no need to resort to dubious and overhyped gadgets when they have no effect on the most basic pathogen, viruses. There is no need to mess with a non-functional technology when a high quality ionic cs will vastly outperform any of the claims made by biased and undereducated individuals. Thanks, Mike Monett Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi Ken: Beware of individuals claiming false expertise. First off, zappers were firsted tested by individuals such as Royal Rife and Nikola Tesla. These ideas were then eventually borrowed, with an attempt at a refinement, by individuals such as Bob Beck and Hulda Clark. Second, my experience is that the hulda clark type zapper is only marginally effective. However, for many individuals, marginally is enough to give the immune system enough support to recover. One of the problems with Hulda Clark type zappers is the actual waveform. Just like Royal Rife was working with very ineffective technology, most of the Hulda Clark zappers don't produce a true square wave form, which inhibits any potential effectiveness. A device such as the Godzilla is far more effective to treat localized conditions. When using one of the more technically correct and properly engineered zappers, the effectiveness is increased. However, as the saying goes, the pathogen is nothing and the bioterrain is everything. For severe chronic systemic infections, the best one can hope for using anti-pathogenic devices and substances is to help keep the bloodstream clean and support the immune system, and thus improve the body's own ability to address infections. As far as electrodes, use an extremely clean cloth moistened with a high grade sea salt solution. Being concerned about the adsorption of metals through such a cloth into the body is like worrying about a neighbor's candle when your house is burning down. I would be far more concerned about toxicity from the average air sample in metropolitan areas. BTW: One of the simpler ways to test the effectiveness of zappers is by contrasting before and after live blood analysis studies. Kind Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
. If you continue, then all the electrons supplied to the cell merely go to silver plateout and the formation of silver hydroxide. The silver ion concentration does not increase, and the cs will turn yellow quicker. The SilverCell process has the distinctive advantage is the brew can continue past the point where other cs generators must be shut down. This allows you to reach much higher silver ion concentrations, up to abut 51uS. But since the threshold concentration is only 20us to combat the most virulent Herpes Simplex and Herpes Zoster viruses, there is not need to push it that high. It takes a long time and wastes a lot of silver. The reasonable target is 35uS to 37uS, which can easily be met by simply monitoring the length of the silver whiskers at the cathode. when they reach about 1/8, swap the polarity and wait for them to appear at the other electrode. When they are about 1/8 long, terminate the brew. That will put you at about 35uS to 37uS without the need for expensive pwt's or dmms to monitor the process. You can verify the result with the salt test, which is another very inexpensive method. It has the advantage that it is not affected by contamination, such as silver sulfide which collects on the silver electrodes and can severly disrupt the brew process. I find that a simple desulfurization using titanium foil will remove the sulfer contamination and restore the proper operation of the electrolysis process. I describe the Salt Test in more detail here: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/560?l=1 I will post more information on desulfurization using aluminum and titanium anodes later. When you ingest colloidal silver that has some portion as silver hydroxide particles, the hydrochloric acid in the stomach combines with the silver hydroxide and forms silver chloride and water. The equation is: HCl + AgOH -- AgCl + H2O The silver ions that are in the solution also combine with the hydrochloric acid. The equation is: Ag + + OH- + HCl -- AgCl + H2O Please note the two equations are identical. So it doesn't matter what proportion of silver ions and silver hydroxide you have in your cs, it all ends up exactly the same. That should complete the discussions on colloidal silver particles. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
This is a repost. The original did not make it to the maillist archive, so I am trying again. Sorry if it is a dupe. Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: This reaction shows why it is impossible to force electrons to flow in an electrolyte, and it shows why blood electrification using Zappers cannot work as described. The reaction is actually iontophoresis, which can deposit copper ions into the surface of the skin. It will also deposit any other contamination, such as deposits in the sponge or cotton fabric, and plastic residue from the copper insulation if you use copper wire. If you use copper pipe, it will be contaminated with all kinds of residues that embed into the surface. None of this is good to inject into your body. I forgot to mention that many people use stainless steel electrodes in their zappers. This can be extremely hazardous due to the release of hexavalent chromium from the stainless steel durint the electrolysis. Here is more information on this problem: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/297 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/489 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/493 Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips Marshall Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:39:11 -0800 You might want to look at the ingredients, this one is at http://www.jamesbriggs.co.uk/sds/bclnc5.pdf That one contains acetone, which in and of itself is a very good degreaser, which is also water soluble, making it ideal. That one also contains propanol alcohol, and light naptha, which is lighter fluid. All of these should evaporate completely if pure. Marshall I try to avoid the SilverList because of the unbelievably inaccurate and incompetent statements made by some members. But this thread is getting dangerous. Brake cleaner should be avoided at all times. It has no application in cs. If you ask for a brake cleaner at an automotive store, you will get whatever they have on hand. It can kill you. The only thing you should apply to the silver is 99% Isopropyl Alcohol, and that is to clean the residual lubricant from the drawing operation, and any oil and enzymes from fingerprints. Always handle the electrodes using plastic disposable gloves that you can get for free by asking at any submarine shop or other food preparation place, or for $1.00 for a package of 100 on eBay. The reason for not touching the electrodes is your fingerprints contain salts and enzymes that can inactivate the silver where you touch. This creates dead spots that prevent the silver from releasing silver ions, which limits the ability of the anode to support the electrolysis process. This means the anode has a higher current density, and will reach the Nernst Threshold sooner, when it starts to produce silver hydroxide in the thin diffusion layer next to the surface of the electrode. Once the system starts producing AgOH, there is no choice but to terminate the brew. If you continue, you are not increasing the silver ion content since all the electrons now go to producing silver hydroxide. This turns the solution yellow, and ultimately creates black mud in the 3 nines process. This is a major problem with flat sheet electrodes. The edges and corners create a region of high current density, so they reach the Nernst Threshold much sooner. This means you will be unable to produce a usable silver ion concentration, and you may not be able to take advantage of the benefits of a high ionic silver solution. To make this clear, you need at least 20uS silver ion concentration to deal with the most virulent pathogens that are circulating. If you try to use a weaker solution, you are creating the same problem that your doctor warns against when he prescribes a strong antibiotic. He will tell you to use the entire amount in the prescription, and do not stop when the symptoms disappear. The reason for this is if you stop partway through, you leave a population of pathogens that are not killed by the antibiotic. These multiply, and now you have an infection that the doctor cannot cure. This happened to me while I was using a weak cs, and is the reason I recommend making the strongest cs you can to ensure you completely obliterate any pathogens that happen to come your way. This is why I developed the SilverCell process. It is the simplest, least expensive, and it makes the most powerful colloidal silver available anywhere. The information for this process is free. Anyone can make it, and benefit from the development that has taken me over a decade. I will soon have solved the incredible mold headaches that have plagued me for over a decade, and will be able to document the assembly and operation instructions for the SilverCell process. But in the meantime, I want to warn everyone against the use of Brake Cleaner in your home. Most contain tetrachloroethylene. The unfortunate part is if you use it while smoking, the tetrachloroethylene will be converted into phosgene gas. The NIOSH IDLH (immediately dangerous to life or health) states 2 ppm (parts per million) of phosgene gas is lethal. This is an extremely small concentration. Phosgene was used in WWI as a very effective poison gas. One of the problems is the symptoms may not be noticed until 24 or 48 hours later. Then it is too late. Most people have no idea this can happen, or even what phosgene gas is. The problem is if you smoke, or if there is an open flame, or an automobile idling in the area, you can create phosgene gas. This is an incredibly bad toxic gas, and can kill you or disable you permanently. I have collected some excerpts of posts to various forums that you need to review. They are attached to the end of this memo. Please take some time to look at them and verify the information. It should not be
Re: CSSource of Silver Strips
Additional information on brake cleaner that forms phosgene gas. This is very bad stuff. All my emails to vendors have had no reply. It is clear they do not want to admit any liability involved in generating this extremely deadly gas. Here are some excerpts from Wikipedia. This stuff is lethal. Please do not use it. Chemical weapons in World War I were primarily used to demoralize, injureand kill entrenched defenders, against whom the indiscriminate and generally slow-moving or static nature of gas clouds would be most effective. The types of weapons employed ranged from disabling chemicals, such as tear gas and the severe mustard gas, to lethal agents like phosgene and chlorine. Phosgene was a potent killing agent, deadlier than chlorine. It had a potential drawback in that some of the symptoms of exposure took 24 hours or more to manifest. This meant that the victims were initially still capable of putting up a fight; although this could also mean that apparently fit troops would be incapacitated by the effects of the gas on the following day.[27] In the first combined chlorine/phosgene attack by Germany, against British troops at Wieltje near Ypres, Belgium on 19 December 1915, 88 tons of the gas were released from cylinders causing 1069 casualties and 69 deaths.[25] The British P gas helmet, issued at the time, was impregnated with sodium phenolate and partially effective against phosgene. The modified PH Gas Helmet, which was impregnated with phenate hexamine and hexamethylene tetramine (urotropine) to improve the protection against phosgene, was issued in January 1916.[25][28][29] Around 36,600 tons of phosgene were manufactured during the war, out of a total of 190,000 tons for all chemical weapons, making it second only to chlorine (93,800 tons) in the quantity manufactured:[30] * Germany 18,100 tons * France 15,700 tons * United Kingdom 1,400 tons (although they also used French stocks) * United States 1,400 tons (although they also used French stocks) Although phosgene was never as notorious in public consciousness as mustard gas, it killed far more people, about 85% of the 100,000 deaths caused by chemical weapons during World War I. Death by gas was often slow and painful. According to Denis Winter (Death's Men, 1978), a fatal dose of phosgene eventually led to shallow breathing and retching, pulse up to 120, an ashen face and the discharge of four pints (2 litres) of yellow liquid from the lungs each hour for the 48 of the drowning spasms. Delivering gas via artillery shell overcame many of the risks of dealing with gas in cylinders. The Germans, for example, used 5.9-inch (150 mm) artillery shells (five-nines). Gas shells were independent of the wind and increased the effective range of gas, making anywhere within reach of the guns vulnerable. Gas shells could be delivered without warning, especially the clear, nearly odorless phosgene - there are numerous accounts of gas shells, landing with a plop rather than exploding, being initially dismissed as dud HE or shrapnel shells, giving the gas time to work before the soldiers were alerted and took precautions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_World_War_I Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSI can't post
Theresa Widmer tlwid...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Mike, I've emailed several times, but for some reason something isn't getting through. Will you let me know if you get this? If for some reason you can't see my email address, it's tlwid...@sbcglobal.net. I've tried for months to post with no success. Thanks, Theresa Hi Theresa That seems to have worked. If you are having problems, you can check to see if the post arrived in the archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html It takes a few minutes for the post to propagate through the system. But if it doesn't appear, then your post never made it to the SilverList. There may be a problem if your email address doesn't match your SilverList logon. If so, you should receive a reply from Mike that to post to the SilverList, you must subscribe. Of course, this confuses everthing because you are already subscribed and can't figure why you got this message. If you do post, and you don't get the failure message, and it still doesn't appear, then contact Mike and tell him the situation. You are very patient to wait for months. I would start to freak out after several hours, since this kind of failure can be serious and it might be affecting your other emails. This could have potentially serious repercussions. The problem could be anywhere - your ISP may have a failing hard disk, the DSL lines to the central switching office could have heavy leakage due to recent rains, the line card could be starting to fail, and so on. Intermittent failures can be extremely difficult to find. But you are paying for services and you need to complain if you are not receiving them. Also, the problem may be affecting more people than just yourself. So the sooner you start contacting people about the issue, the sooner it can be recognized and the troubleshooting can begin. So I would not wait for months. If you see a problem, then the first thing is to freak out. Realize the issue is serious, and it could be affecting other people than just yourself. This will reinforce your actions so you can go through the inevitable have you checked the computer is plugged in? If so, reinstall Windows from those people with heavy Indian accents on the other side of the planet. The first thing these people will do is see you are a woman, and give any kind of explanation to put you off. But that will not solve the problem. I shake my head every time I encounter this. It means the company is completely disorganized, and they will have no clue what the problem is or how to solve it. So the first thing to do is escalate the issue and try to reach someone who has some kind of responsibility to fix the problem, and not simply check the problem solved box on their time sheet. I am an old retired engineer, and I have seen just about every trick they can pull. If you encounter this, and can't get the problem resolved, contact me at mailarchive dot b3p at gishpuppy dot com, and I will ensure the issue gets solved. Thanks, Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: 130V CS Generator [GishPuppy] [GishPuppy]
Bruce Anderson bande65...@btes.tv wrote: Hi Mike: Yes I would like to see a schematic and parts list, to see if I can build it and afford it. Social Security doesn't leave any room for expensive gadgets. Best wishes: Bruce A. That's great! My main concern was to make it simple and inexpensive enough so a single mom could afford to make and run it. This means no complex electronics, no stirrer, no automatic polarity reversal, and the Salt Test eliminates the need for a COM-100 unless you want one. A $2 Harbor Freight dmm would be nice, but what single mom would have the time to read the instructions with hungry kids pulling at her skirt? Fortunately, I found a trick to monitor the brewing process. When the silver ions reach the cathode, they plate out as silver metal. This forms tiny whiskers at the bottom of the U-channel that correspond to the ion concentration. When they reach about 1/8, simply swap the polarity and continue brewing. They will disappear from the new anode and appear on the new cathode. Again, the length corresponds to the silver ion concentration. When they have left the original electrode and reach about 1/8 inch on the new cathode, terminate the brew and pour the cs into a PETE bottle. I like Dasani Remineralized bottles that have been flushed with dw. When you follow this simple procedure, the cs will consistently measure between 35uS and 37uS, and the Salt Test shows the dispersion starting instantly and blocking objects behind the glass when it is complete. The Salt Test is only moderately accurate, but the SilverCell process gives such a high ion concentration that it doesn't matter. It is overwhelmingly above the 20uS minimum that is required to deal with the most virulent pathogens, such as Herpes Simplex and Herpes Zoster, so an ordinary cold or flu doesn't stand a chance. This high ion concentration means you can use sublingual absorption with good results. This eliminates any possiblilty of killing friendly fauna in the intestines, and totally eliminates any possibility of Argyria, since you spit the cs out at the end of 12 minutes. The other advantage is it kills the bacteria that cause dental cavities and gum disease, so you don't need to visit the dentist so often. So the process is simple, inexpensive, easy to operate, non-critical, self-timing, and produces the highest silver ion concentration of all the conventional cs generators anywhere. Also, you only need about 50ml instead of the 8oz glass that many people take, so you don't need to make 5 gallon batches and try to find something to store it in that won't contaminate the brew. This is a major problem, since the silver ions will combine with almost anything that leaches from the plastic or glass. The contamination problem is the only remaining issue that I'm not happy with, but I think I may have stumbled on a solution and will try it this weekend. There is a bit more information on my web site at http://www.silvercentral.org/ If I can get the contamination problem solved, I will be able to post the assembly and operating instructions. I think you will find it well within your budget, and very easy to build. More soon Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: 130V CS Generator
Robert Toborek rtobo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, I'm new to the group and new to the whole concept. I've been watching some of your posts over the past few days, and all I can say is that I can't wait to see the complete documentation on the SilverCell! I just hope not to confuse it with some of the older information, that you have deemed outdated yourself. Thank you! Robert Hi Robert, Thanks for the note. The entire set of assembly and operating instructions will be aimed at newcomers, with plenty of pictures to illustrate the details. Each page of documentation will have a section that contains just the information needed for that step, so newcomers don't get overwhelmed with too many complex details. The second section will be for oldtimers who might be interested in the theory with detailed equations, related information, and long descriptions of the interactions and interrelationship with other important topics in cs. At the moment, I am torn between setting up two separate forums for the SilverCell process, or keeping everything in the same forum. I was thinking that one forum devoted to newcomers might make it easier for them to ask questions, with a separate forum for the oldtimers who might like to discuss some of the more complex details. This way, the beginners would not be overwhelmed by the oldtimer discussions, and the oldtimers would not have to put up with answering the same basic questions over and over and over again. (This would show a flaw in the documentation, which I would try to correct in the documentation. But who in the world reads the instructions??) I tried something similar with two of my Yahoo forums. I immediately ran into severe problems. Sooner or later, a discussion that belongs in one forum will spill over to the other forum, and I found there was no way to prevent or avoid this. And it greatly complicates things for everyone, since they have to keep track of both forums. On the other hand, there have been many complaints from members of the SilverList who would prefer that the discussions remain on the topics that they are interested in, which is of course, impossible since everyone has different interests. So you cannot please everyone at the same time. I guess one compromise might be to tag a subject according to beginner or advanced, so those who are not interested can ignore the topics they don't want to waste time on. But even that turns out to be impossible, since threads have a beautiful habit of morphing into completely different topics that may contain important and valuable information for everyone. So the best thing I can think of is to continue in the same vein as the SilverList, with all the threads merged in the same forum. Does this make sense to you? Or if anyone can offer any suggestion that might help make it easy for newcomers and oldtimers to coexist, i sure would like to hear from you. Thanks, Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: 130V CS Generator
Robert Toborek rtobo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Thank for your quick answer! I would imagine one forum with some complexity scale to the topics would be okay. Single forum may encourage some knowledgeable oldtimers to contribute and help in answering the basic newbie questions without overwhelming any single person. That is a very astute answer. I think the complexity issue can be addressed by learning who are the members of the forum. The oldtimers will quickly become well known by their ability to answer the way a newcomer needs it to be expressed. I find the same issue when I am trying to understand some particularly difficult issue in electronics, or a troubling circuit analysis in LTspice. I can read the same descriptions that everyone gives, for example in google, and it just doesn't sink in. But I can find something written by an obscure author who just happens to word things in just a way that finally unlocks the knots and now everything makes sense. I'm sure the same thing will happen in the SilverCell forum. We need everyone we can find to understand the SilverCell process and explain it to others. This will take time, but this is something we have plenty of. Some people learn faster than others and, at one point, would need to jump the forum advancement BARRIER. And let's face it, most newbies, like myself, would probably join both forums anyway. LOL! That is the best answer I have seen. Why split the forums when the people that I need to reach the most will join both? Thanks. That is the answer I needed. I've seen it done before, where people of all experience levels contribute, teach, and correct one another; argue sometimes, but those arguments usually lead to elimination of potential misconceptions and all is well at the end. A lot of the arguments that occurred in cs were because no one understood the process. I have solved that problem, and I think the things that still remain are the most important. How do the silver ions act in the immune system to counter pathogens, and what can we do to assist the process? Other questions abound about the entire relation of pathogens to humans. What can we do to interfere with the goal of the pathogen and deflect or destroy it, eliminate it from our life path, and prevent it from entering in the first place? Let's face the issue. You have a pathogen that if you allow it, will cause you great harm or kill you. This does not lend itself to diplomacy or negotiation. There is only one correct response, and that is utter, complete destruction and total obliteration of the pathogen. In many cases, silver ions are invaluable depending on the threat. In other cases, copper ions may be the best answer. My designs incorporate both. But are there other answers we should be looking for? If so, how do we find them? That's my five cents worth of thoughts. Again, thank you, Mike for making this available. I'l looking forward to this new project. Thank you. Your comments are extremely well thought out, and I look forward to working with you in the new SilverCell forum. Cheers! Robert Thanks, Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: 130V CS Generator
Mike Monett mailarchive@gishpuppy.com wrote: [...] Let's face the issue. You have a pathogen that if you allow it, will cause you great harm or kill you. This does not lend itself to diplomacy or negotiation. There is only one correct response, and that is utter, complete destruction and total obliteration of the pathogen. In many cases, silver ions are invaluable depending on the threat. In other cases, copper ions may be the best answer. My designs incorporate both. But are there other answers we should be looking for? If so, how do we find them? To give an example, silver and copper ions are fairly well understood in the literature, and they are extremely effective against pathogens. But what about other metals, such as zinc? It is readily available, performs exceptionally well in electrolysis, and should be deadly to pathogens. Like copper, the chloride is very soluble (4320 g/L (25C)), where silver chloride has very limited solubility (ppb or sub-ppb in the absence of ammonia.) Where silver has a problem with sulfur making insoluble silver tarnish (Ag2S), copper has a problem with oxygen, making CuO or Cu2O. These form contamination products when you try to use them in electrolysis, and they destroy the process. But zinc doesn't seem to be bothered by either. Just look at any carbon-zinc battery. The outside is pure zinc. It never seems to be bothered by unwanted oxides or sulfides. The only problem is when the electrolyte breaks through the shell, then everything gets real messy. But we don't have to deal with that. When you put zinc in electrolysis, it behaves beautifully - it immediately migrates to the cathode, where it plates out. There are no hydroxide problems to deal with, and no unexpected responses anywhere. It just goes and does its thing. Is this the metal we need to explore? So many questions. So little time... Thanks, Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: 130V CS Generator
Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Is this the same system as Ode's Silver Puppy Mike? dee No, it is completely different. I bought a SilverPuppy to see if it was possible to convert it to the SilverCell process. Unfortunately, it would require a complete redesign and a new pcb, and the same problem exists for the SilverGen. It would cost more to convert them than to simply make a new SilverCell. I am completing the assembly and build instructions so everyone can make their own SilverCell. The major cost is the 12 ga silver electrodes. That may come to about $25 not including tax and shipping. The 400ml Griffen Low Profile Bomex borosilicate beakers are around $4.50, but you might be able to snag two from a local high school for free. The design uses a single 9V battery, but it doesn't have to be brand new. A used one from a toy, or fire alarm will still have plenty of juice to make many brews. It is nice to have a small dmm, such as a Harbor Freight for $2 or $3, but it is not essential. There are some small bits of hardware, such as a 9V battery clip and alligator leads that can be obtained on eBay for a few dollars. You will need to find a resistor of approximately 20k to 30k, and find someone who can solder it for you. I will give a list of suggestions on how to solve that problem. The coroplast lid can be from an old real estate sign, or you can simply go to a sign shop and explain what you are doing, and they will probably give you all you need for free. You can borrow your children's hot glue gun, and it only takes a few sticks. You need to find the smallest diameter straw that you can. I believe the ones I use are 0.140 in diameter, and are much smaller than the straws from McDonalds. So altogether, you might be able to put a SilverCell together for $40 or so, depending on how good you are at scrounging. But one thing to keep in mind - the sublingual absorption has some real benefits. It will kill the bacteria that cause tooth decay, so you won't need to see the Dentist as often. Each visit used to cost me over $300, but I haven't needed any visits for years now. The ions also kill the bacteria that cause gum disease, so that problem goes away as well. So the SilverCell can easily pay for itself many times over. When? Soon Thanks, Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: 130V CS Generator [GishPuppy]
Bruce Anderson bruce...@btes.tv wrote: To all who responded..Many Thanks. To Mike Monett.Hey I am also obsolete at 74, but, this gen. works for me and is easy to build. I thanked you for it then and I thank you for it now. Hi Bruce, It's nice to hear from you again. I'm glad you had good success with my design. It's nice to know that I can be of help. Do you think you might be interested in trying the SilverCell process? After you finally learn how to get a regular cs generator working, this one is so easy it will knock your socks off! Also, I just hit 70, so I am catching up to you! To the one that sent me the the URLBless You. Thanks, Mike -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: 130V CS Generator
asif nathekar Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:40:14 -0800 For those who asked. http://silvercentral.org/systems/130vdc.htm OMG! That is so obsolete it is not even funny. I'm Mike, the author. I just happened to drop in and noticed this post. That was written many years ago. I never intended it to appear in today's threads since the data is so old. There is a much better way of doing things. It turns out there is a definite threshold in current density. If you stay below this level, which I call the Nernst Threshold, there will be no silver hydroxide produced at the anode, no matter how long you run the brew. This means you can run the brew much longer than before, and it won't turn yellow. You can get a much higher silver ion concentration than conventional brwing methods, and there is no AgOH, and no Tyndall. The trick is to use 12 ga silver in a U-shape, with at least 1/2 between the legs and preferably 5/8. I favor a 400ml borosilicate beaker with a coroplast lid to hold the electrodes. They should be 1.5 inches apart, centered in the beaker. I prefer a TL431 regulator driving a high voltage NPN transistor. The diagram is very simple and is in the datasheet. For iontosphoresis, I prefer resistive stabilization as shown in the 130VDC file since semiconductors usually fail shorted, for example due to ESD events, but resistors usually fail open. This protects you against a short circuit applying high current to your flesh. Run at a current density of about 275uA/sq.in. You need to desulfurize the electrodes by connecting both to the negative terminal of your supply, and use a strip of aluminum or titanium foil for the anode. Apply current for no more than 60 seconds to avoid releasing aluminum ions into solution, which will form aluminum hydroxide at the cathode. When the electrodes are clean and free of sulfur contamination, start the brew. Wait until tiny whiskers appear at the bottom of the cathode. This point may be reached in 12 to 17 hours or so, but the timing is not critical like it is in a 3 nines. When they are about 1/8 long, swap the polarity. Check to see if there is any tyndall in a completely dark room with your eyes dark-adjusted. There should be none. Wait for the whiskers to disappear and reappear at the new anode. When they are about 1/8 long, terminate the brew and pour the cs into your PETE storage container. I prefer a new Dasani bottle that has been drained and flushed. I call this the SilverCell process, and will provide much more information on the http://silvercentral.org site very soon, as soon as I finish killing the mold spores that have plagued me for over a decade. Check the ion concentration with a COM-100. You should see 35uS to 37uS. It may drop to around 32uS or 33uS after 48 hours and stay there. If it drops more than that, there is still some contamination on the electrodes. The metallic taste that people often mention is due to the sulfur contamination. It is the same thing that turns cs purple if you get a bit of saliva in the solution or give some to your cat. If you eliminate the sulfur contamination, the metallic taste disappears and the cs will not turn purple. Check the ion concentration with the Salt Test using pure canning salt. You should see a very strong dispersion appear instantly and grow so it completely obscures objects behind the glass. I use 12 minutes sublingaul absorption, then spit the cs out. You should see a definite silver chloride dispersion in the solution. You can compare the dispersions of the original cs and the solution that has been in the mouth for 12 minutes. The sublingual solution will be a bit darker, but the concentration will be very close to the original dispersion. I estimate about 10% less. A quick calculation shows that less than 20 parts per billion was absorbed into the blood stream. This is far below the amount needed to kill viruses and bacteria, but it is all that is needed to prevent flus and colds. This says the immune system must somehow be involved in using the silver ions, which means we are limited by the same things that limit the immune system. The cs cannot help for deep infections such as the roots of a tooth, or in joints, or for pathogens that have developed techniques to hide from the immune system like Lyme, or for viral infections that have already had time to become established in body cells. This says we need to keep taking the SilverCell cs regularly as a preventative to keep pathogens from establishing a foothold. As far as deep tooth infections, copper iontophoresis may be the best answer. This means applying a small current so fresh copper electrodes
