Re: CSCholesterol article
Thanks, Gayla. I found most of what I was seeking here = *http://tinyurl.com/6mbrv5* * * *Smitty* Try Googling cholesterol+linus+pauling Gayla I read a one paragraph about cholesterol being the body's way of repairing veins and arteryies that have weak walls. BUT, I lost it. . does anyone have it ? I want to save it to send to friends who are taking meds to lower their cholesterol and disregarding their health, where the real culprit lies. That was a good article. Smitty
Re: CSCholesterol article
Thanks Smitty. Good reading. Most people never think about the constant expansion of the arteries as wear and tear. If they go unrepaired we would bleed to death. The body slaps bubble gum on them and it makes a bump in the artery. Then we have blockage. And since it does not fix the root of the problem, it gets worse. Gayla - Original Message - From: Smitty To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:12 AM Subject: Re: CSCholesterol article Thanks, Gayla. I found most of what I was seeking here = http://tinyurl.com/6mbrv5 Smitty Try Googling cholesterol+linus+pauling Gayla I read a one paragraph about cholesterol being the body's way of repairing veins and arteryies that have weak walls. BUT, I lost it. . does anyone have it ? I want to save it to send to friends who are taking meds to lower their cholesterol and disregarding their health, where the real culprit lies. That was a good article. Smitty
Re: CSCholesterol article
Google it !? On 5 Oct 2010 at 12:58, Smitty wrote about : Subject : CSCholesterol article I read a one paragraph about cholesterol being the body's way of repairing veins and arteryies that have weak walls. BUT, I lost it. . does anyone have it ? I want to save it to send to friends who are taking meds to lower their cholesterol and disregarding their health, where the real culprit lies. That was a good article. Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCholesterol article
I read a one paragraph about cholesterol being the body's way of repairing veins and arteryies that have weak walls. BUT, I lost it. . does anyone have it ? I want to save it to send to friends who are taking meds to lower their cholesterol and disregarding their health, where the real culprit lies. That was a good article. Smitty
Re: CSCholesterol article
Try Googling cholesterol+linus+pauling Gayla - Original Message - From: Smitty To: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:58 PM Subject: CSCholesterol article I read a one paragraph about cholesterol being the body's way of repairing veins and arteryies that have weak walls. BUT, I lost it. . does anyone have it ? I want to save it to send to friends who are taking meds to lower their cholesterol and disregarding their health, where the real culprit lies. That was a good article. Smitty
CScholesterol
Hi, Thanks to everyone who wrote in response to my query about cholesterol. I have passed on the information with instructions to research those areas. PT
CSCholesterol Levels article
This may (or may not) help with those of y'all concerned with cholesterol. Hope it helps! http://health.msn.com/general/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=10068GT1=10405
Re: CSCholesterol Magic Numbers-Too Low-Too High-What's the cause?
I've written extensively on cholesterol and I'd be worried if mine dipped to 120s territory too Wayne. I guess you could look at it hoping that in fact it's just your body needing less like Dee mentioned, everybody's different BUT I'm wondering if you aren't consuming some type of food or supplement that contains a naturally occurring statin like some sort of yeast product. Yeasts sometimes contain statins which inhibit the natural production of cholesterol in the body[One reason why statin drugs are effective-effectively bad for you]. We get our Lipitors and Crestors as the pharmaceutical descendents of yeast products and there are a lot of ''health'' foods and supplements that contain yeasts of different kinds and possibly statins. Also, although it can be a great supplemental mineral, an excessive amount of the trace mineral Vanadium might inhibit cholesterol production too. A symptom of vanadium deficiency is high blood cholesterol but the excess is low total body cholesterol. I just wanted to chime in just in case you take large amounts of yeast products or vanadium. The current newsletter I've been circulating for the past few months has compiled everything I've written on the subject and I've personally concluded after extensive research that for numbers dipping down to even 180 NATURALLY for those who are essentially healthy people that it's probably okay and that there's sense to the view that some people may need less in their blood or just be USING cholesterol more efficiently, dispensing it to cells and sending it back to the liver for recycling so well that the blood level seems slightly low, etc. but that numbers going down to BELOW 160 probably aren't healthy for anyone and there's probably a good reason they're down that far. I think you said you're eating less red meat? and perhaps that's more your natural food source and that your body is built to rely more on dietary cholesterol than other peoples might be. Also, have you ever done a liver/gallbladder flush? I know these can do wonders for truly ''high'' cholesterol[when you might actually have it] and triglycerides but perhaps it might bring a low cholesterol UP since it improves liver function and the liver metabolizes it to send back to the blood for it's necessary use in all of your cells. If anybody would like a copy of my digest on cholesterol, they can subscribe to my free newsletter by writing _ninetyplus4l...@aol.com_ (mailto:ninetyplus4l...@aol.com) with ''Free Sub scription'' in the subject line and I'd be happy to add them to the list and send out a copy. It goes into detail on why you should keep your cholesterol UP and what all statin drugs can do to damage you and all the different doctors that have been fighting the twisted but lucrative propaganda on the subject. We've shared a lot of our info sources on this list to each other like William Douglass and Mary Enig and there certainly doesn't seem to be a shortage of learned people concerned with low cholesterol and I'm 100% with them thinking it's a very valid concern. Good luck with it Wayne. Sorry it took me so long to comment on this too, I just got a notice of a nearly full mail box this afternoon so I'm really behind reading the list. JD- author of the 90+ Newsletter and Blog _http://journals.aol.com/ninetyplus4life/Capacity/_ (http://journals.aol.com/ninetyplus4life/Capacity/) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: CSCholesterol Magic Numbers, Are there any ?
- Original Message - From: CWFugitt c_wa...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: CSCholesterol Magic Numbers, Are there any ? Evening Faith. At 01:45 PM 9/5/2007, you wrote: Okay. I missed the joke part. No sense of humor I guess. Perhaps I think everyone has high cholesterol because I do. Supposedly. Besides, I will confess I couldn't think of anything else to say. I am glad you are cholesterol free. She better not be Cholesterol Free. I think that would be a disaster. How high is your cholesterol ? It may not in fact even be high. The numbers are a fraud for sure. I can send some links about this. I am concerned about mine being so low. The other numbers that have served me well all my life is what I would like to have. 165 to 185 or even 200. Wayne Hi Wayne. It took me a little while to answer this message becaue I wanted to look up my cholesterol level. It was last measured almost 2 years ago. My Cholesterol was 262 and my LDL cholesterol was 191. They've always been high. It hasn't been measured again becaue I cannot tolerate the cholesterol drugs. Faith Don't believe everything you think. . -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCholesterol Magic Numbers, Are there any ?
Evening Faith. At 01:45 PM 9/5/2007, you wrote: Okay. I missed the joke part. No sense of humor I guess. Perhaps I think everyone has high cholesterol because I do. Supposedly. Besides, I will confess I couldn't think of anything else to say. I am glad you are cholesterol free. She better not be Cholesterol Free. I think that would be a disaster. How high is your cholesterol ? It may not in fact even be high. The numbers are a fraud for sure. I can send some links about this. I am concerned about mine being so low. The other numbers that have served me well all my life is what I would like to have. 165 to 185 or even 200. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCholesterol levels, are they Frauds ?
Thanks so much Wayne...are your homocysteine levels ever been checked? mine were pretty high for awhile...deb CWFugitt c_wa...@earthlink.net wrote: Evening Debbie, At 08:05 PM 7/3/2007, you wrote: it is okay for levels to be between 200 and 300. This is one alternative doctor's opinion. ( William Campbell Douglass, MD ) Cholesterol in the blood does not come from the food we eat is why low cholesterol diets don't work. I think it is a symptom, not a cause. If cholesterol levels are way our of range, this indicates a number of other things are wrong. Seems I remember when normal was considered to be 240. The highest mine has ever been was 214. In later years it was 165 to 185 which I fear may be too low. I also wonder about the LDL and HDL myth. Reason being, me and most of my healthy friends have about the same numbers, 39 to 43. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
CScholesterol / doctors / thieves / hospitals
Evening Jeanine, At 01:53 PM 7/4/2007, you wrote: Okay Gang - got to jump in on this one guys... A classic message, right out of the book. Not sure which book. Have you ever heard of a firing squad for doctors? You want to be on the team ? I refuse of course. I start back on a strict regimen of lecithin and red yeast rice.. I purchased some red rice yeast several years ago. I realized I did not even need it. I had a friend in Lawrenceville, GA. Young, strong, walked 25 miles per week and could bench press 300 pounds. He went to a doctor ( a friend ) and his cholesterol was high. The doctor prescribed something. He did not take it. He took the material I sent him instead. Cholesterol came down 100 points in one month. He went back to the doctor, but did not tell him what he did. I realize that was not totally fair. Maybe he knew him well enough he did not want to get into a sparring match. Now - I may have a case for fraud here. You see this doctor (the first doctor) had told me at one time that he was really good friends with a pharmaceutical supply / salesman. They are guilty every day. One more little story. Years back I got my boss on the nutrition bandwagon. Later our secretary had a thyroid problem. She started talking the same vitamins we used. Nothing special. Next time she had blood work done, the doctor called and said, The lab messed up your blood work, we have to do it again. Second time, same thing, Normal thyroid. He said he had never seen an abnormal thyroid return to normal. This meant of course he had never cured a single patient, and did not intend to do so. He did ask what she had been doing, she told him, and he said he would recommend it to other people. I doubt that he did, it would have been against the law. The AMA law, and he could be fined and loose his license. All this proves the world is not what we thing, but the Medical Profession is exactly what we think it is. ( some of us anyway ) Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCholesterol levels, are they Frauds ?
Evening Debbie, At 08:05 PM 7/3/2007, you wrote: it is okay for levels to be between 200 and 300. This is one alternative doctor's opinion. ( William Campbell Douglass, MD ) Cholesterol in the blood does not come from the food we eat is why low cholesterol diets don't work. I think it is a symptom, not a cause. If cholesterol levels are way our of range, this indicates a number of other things are wrong. Seems I remember when normal was considered to be 240. The highest mine has ever been was 214. In later years it was 165 to 185 which I fear may be too low. I also wonder about the LDL and HDL myth. Reason being, me and most of my healthy friends have about the same numbers, 39 to 43. The sickest people I know in the world today have a HDL reading of in the 50's. One has cancer, one has bone disease, so bad he has a morphine pump installed in his body, and the third one has Lou Gehrig's Disease. Go Figure ! I had a long talk with a young cardiologist in a friends hospital room. He was bragging about his cholesterol being 165 and the drug he used. I said, Mine is 165 and I don't take any drugs. I asked him about his homocysteine. He said, If you are worried about that, you need to take this, this , and that. I replied, I am not worried about mine, I know what it is. I am surprised you do not know. Not often do you find a doctor of any kind willing to engage in a bull session. It was fun to say the least. Here is a great website run by a great guy. I have communicated with him in the past. ( Barry Groves ) http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/ He has many good articles, including one on The Cholesterol Fraud. Try it, you will find many great things. Wayne
Re: CSCholesterol again
Thanks for replying Terry, what you have said is very similar to what I have learned via Mercola and Chris Gupta. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Terry Chamberlin Date: 03/19/07 22:43:33 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCholesterol again Dee said, http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/cholesterol1.shtml I found this article on the web Terry, and looking at what you have written, it is mainly wrong! Could you have a look and see what you think? If it is wrong, then how can such as the BBC publish such nonsense? The BBC will publish whatever the official position is on pretty much everything, the same as the mainline media does in North America. The problem concerning what the medical establishment tells us nowadays about heart disease originally started with some fairly logical but erroneous early-century science.
CScholesterol, Milk and Eggs
At 10:31 AM 3/19/2007, you wrote: I didn't think there *was* any cholesterol in food only eggs and prawns and eggs have lecithin to balance this. Dee Why do you think it needs balancing? One great doctors says a reading of 300 to 400 is about right. I know a weight lifter and runner whose reading is 400 plus and has been for 20 years. The highest mine has ever been was 212 and I used to eat 6 raw eggs per day and one gallon of milk. Milk is a super food and always has been. Then man comes along and adds hormones, chemicals, and destroys the fat molecules to create defective cell membrane walls. Recently I heard a story of a man who weighed over 300 pounds, had heart problems, edema, and diabetes. He cured all of them with RAW MILK. Read the 1929 article from the Mayo clinic about the people treated with nothing but milk. http://www.fugitt.com/realmilk.htm Cholesterol is not evil but a necessary nutrient. The Cholesterol Scam is the biggest financial rip off in the history of modern civilization. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCholesterol!
On the subject of cholesterol, I've resisted it, but it seems I must have my rant. There are many articles available concerning the inaccuracy of the modern view of cholesterol. These articles cite various studies going all the way back to when the Theory of Cholesterol concerning heart disease was first promoted by medical/pharmaceutical authorities. These articles tend to emphasize various and numerous research findings, all quite valid, all very scientific and all a bit complicated and technical. Contact me directly to acquire copies of these articles. I want to examine the Cholesterol Myth from a different angle, using plain language and minimizing the technical. Everyone in our society understands how high cholesterol causes heart disease. We have all been taught practically from infancy about the dangers of consuming too much cholesterol. So lets look at it again. OK, heres how it goes: If you eat too much cholesterol, the excess cholesterol that your body doesnt use will float around in your blood stream and, because it is a sticky fat, will begin to adhere to the insides of your blood stream walls. As this layer of sticky cholesterol continues to accumulate on your blood vessel walls, the corridor through which your blood is flowing will become narrower and narrower. Your blood will become more and more restricted in its flow, until some part of your body that needs a lot of blood (usually your heart, sometimes your brain) will be impaired in its function because of insufficient blood supply. In the case of your heart, you will either experience angina (heart pain from insufficient blood supply) or a heart attack (part of your heart dies from insufficient blood and the oxygen it supplies). In addition to these two events, there are accompanying problems such as high blood pressure. We understand high BP to be caused by the layers of cholesterol on the blood vessel walls making them rigid and inflexible and interfering with healthy blood pressure regulation. That about sums it up, doesnt it? Isnt that how youve been given to understand it? Lets look closer at this theory. Lets say that you are concerned about your blood cholesterol level. You go to your doctor and say, Doc, I want to know how high my cholesterol is. He sticks a needle in your arm, takes out some blood and sends it to a laboratory to have it tested. First question: What does the doc take the blood out of, an artery or a vein? He takes it out of a vein. Have you ever heard of hardening of the veins? Veinerosclerosis? If the sticky cholesterol sticks to the sides of the blood vessel walls, why doesnt it stick to the walls of the veins? The reason is that the body doesnt want it to. The body WANTS the cholesterol to stick to the sides of the arteries. The cholesterol that is accumulating on the sides of the artery walls is NOT the cholesterol you eat, it is primarily cholesterol produced by the liver in response to an imbalanced metabolic condition the body is trying to cope with. Why would the body do that? The explanation you will next read comes from the teachings of the late Dr. Carey Reams, biophysicist/biochemist. To understand the big picture of health and nutrition, the bottom line is this: We are MADE of minerals. (1) We are not made of vitamins or enzymes or hormones or herbs, we are made of minerals. I think that nearly everyone knows that our bodies are made up of 80% water. I weigh 175 lbs., so if all the water in my body was removed, there would be about 35 lbs. of powder left. What would this powder consist of? Minerals. I think nearly everyone also knows that the foods we buy in the store don't have much nutrition in them (minerals), because of what has been done to the soil by commercial farming. Every day our bodies use up a certain amount of minerals just to function, yet we are not fully replacing those minerals with the commercially-grown foods we eat. It's a bit like a checking account I once had, where if I wrote a check for more than the money that was in the checking account, it would automatically dip into the money in my savings account. They called it Overdraft Protection. But we have all been doing this same thing all our lives with our Metabolic Bank Accounts. Every day that you deposit less into your body's account than the checks your body writes that day, you dip into your savings account. When I do not give my body the minerals it needs that day, my body steals the minerals it needs from other places throughout my body. So, if my chemistry has become unbalanced in one particular way, my body will steal minerals from my joints, and I will end up with arthritis, bursitis, fibromyalgia, osteoporosis, etc. Or, if my body has a chemistry imbalance of another kind, it will leach minerals from the linings of my arteries, and I will contract heart disease. Why from the linings of my arteries? Because the arteries are surrounded by a layer of muscle tissue that is there to
Re: CScholesterol, Milk and Eggs
I do realize this, its just that I had always understood that cholesterol was not in food, but produced by the liver. As Terry has explained comprehensively, and I did already know, this cholesterol is used to repair and is necessary for life. I too have read about the cholesterol scam and am always trying to tell people about it, but they don't often listen as they get their info from their GP's. Dee ---Original Message--- Cholesterol is not evil but a necessary nutrient. The Cholesterol Scam is the biggest financial rip off in the history of modern civilization. Wayne --
Re: CSCholesterol!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/cholesterol1.shtml I found this article on the web Terry, and looking at what you have written, it is mainly wrong! Could you have a look and see what you think? If it is wrong, then how can such as the BBC publish such nonsense? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Terry Chamberlin Date: 03/19/07 17:19:22 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCholesterol! On the subject of cholesterol, I've resisted it, but it seems I must have my rant. There are many articles available concerning the inaccuracy of the modern view of cholesterol. These articles cite various studies going all the way back to when the Theory of Cholesterol concerning heart disease was first promoted by medical/pharmaceutical authorities. These articles tend to emphasize various and numerous research findings, all quite valid, all very scientific and all a bit complicated and technical. Contact me directly to acquire copies of these articles. I want to examine the Cholesterol Myth from a different angle, using plain language and minimizing the technical.
CSCholesterol! ( cardiologist conversation )
Talk with a Cardiologist.. OK, here's how it goes: If you eat too much cholesterol, the excess cholesterol that your body doesn't use will float around in your blood stream and, because it is a sticky fat, will begin to adhere to the insides of your blood stream walls. Why would anyone believe this when the whole Cholesterol smear is a fraud, a lie, and a scam? Give the body a little credit for intelligence as to knowing what to do with excess. I feel sure I drink too much water at times but the body knows just how to handle it. In addition, . I firmly believe the body is as intelligent as the plants I grow. I increase potassium and magnesium. Some plants take it and some plants leave it. I can flow nutrients over the roots ALL DAY LONG and the plants take what they need and the excess does not hurt, as long as they are in the proper ratio, right type, right acidity, and do no damage to the roots or media. I have read that NOT a single study proves that cholesterol causes heart disease. Few people have only one thing wrong. If one thing is out of balance, many others usually are as well. I do not believe that any single thing causes anything or any single thing cures anything. Body chemistry is more complicated than that. I had a long talk with a cardiologist visiting a friend who just had a heart attack. This guy was talkative , talking about everything from land, horses, real estate, and finally cholesterol. He was bragging about his cholesterol being 160 and the drugs he was taking. I said, ... mine is 160 and I don't take any drug. I asked him about homocysteine. He said, if you are worried about that, take this, this , and that. I said, I am not worried about mine, I know what it is and I am surprised you don't. Homocysteine has more effect on heart disease than cholesterol. He was friendly and in a good mood. Not often do you find one of these with time to talk and shoot the bull. Fact is, I knew everything he said, and then some. Later he came back to see my friend and wanted to know who the wise guy was that was there the other day. I won't tell you what my friend told him. Again, the condition may be true and exist but I doubt that the cause is cholesterol. Other things effect what happens to cholesterol within the blood stream. Further, some articles state the cholesterol does not come from the food we eat, it is all manufactured by the body. == As this layer of sticky cholesterol continues to accumulate on your blood vessel walls, the corridor through which your blood is flowing will become narrower and narrower. Your blood will become more and more restricted in its flow, until some part of your body that needs a lot of blood (usually your heart, sometimes your brain) will be impaired in its function because of insufficient blood supply. In the case of your heart, you will either experience angina (heart pain from insufficient blood supply) or a heart attack (part of your heart dies from insufficient blood and the oxygen it supplies). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCholesterol again
Dee said, http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/cholesterol1.shtml I found this article on the web Terry, and looking at what you have written, it is mainly wrong! Could you have a look and see what you think? If it is wrong, then how can such as the BBC publish such nonsense? The BBC will publish whatever the official position is on pretty much everything, the same as the mainline media does in North America. The problem concerning what the medical establishment tells us nowadays about heart disease originally started with some fairly logical but erroneous early-century science. During the early 1900s, various manifestations of heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never seen it before. As the incidents of it began to increase, the medical scientists began to pay closer attention to it. They discovered that every case of heart disease was accompanied by high blood cholesterol, and they came to the conclusion that high blood cholesterol caused heart disease. In reality, they got the cart before the horse. Heart disease causes high cholesterol, not the other way around. By the time the doctors discovered their error (well over 30 years ago), two things had occurred. First, they couldnt very well come out with a public statement like, Whoops! Hey, folks, we got it backwards, but its OK, we have it right now and you can trust us again. The medical High Priesthood never apologizes nor admits to error. Secondly, there was a burgeoning, highly-profitable poly-unsaturated oil industry, plus the doctors were making major dollars doing heart surgeries and other expensive heart disease treatments (not to mention lucrative statin and other drugs). Eighty years ago there was a health issue that occasionally occurred in seniors, but which has become the number two killer of seniors today. Im talking about Alzheimers disease (AL). For about 80 years or so the doctors have been warning us away from high-cholesterol foods, and the public has dutifully complied. But if your body doesnt get the cholesterol it needs from your diet, it will scavenge it from the best sources it can find within the body. Guess where the largest reservoir of cholesterol is in your body? Your brain is composed of 70% cholesterol! Now let me see: 80 or so years ago AL was quite uncommon. For the last 80 or so years folks have been running from eggs, butter, etc. Today AL is the number two killer of seniors. I can do the math. When a client tells me they have high blood pressure or heart disease, I put them on 2 eggs per day, minimum. Of course, I impress on them the importance of buying eggs from healthy, back-yard chickens that run around and eat like they were designed to do. Terry Chamberlin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCholesterol again
Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and disastrous influence on the health of the citizens? I know that milk pasteurization started at that time. Could that be a reason? Barbara During the early 1900's, various manifestations of heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never seen it before. Terry Chamberlin
Re: CSCholesterol again
I have read that pasteurized milk is BAD for a person's body. Maybe Terry can expound on this. Smitty On 3/19/07, Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and disastrous influence on the health of the citizens? I know that milk pasteurization started at that time. Could that be a reason? Barbara During the early 1900's, various manifestations of heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never seen it before. Terry Chamberlin -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCholesterol again
I have read that too, and that Homogonized milk is even worse... from The Milk Book On 3/19/07, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: I have read that pasteurized milk is BAD for a person's body. Maybe Terry can expound on this. Smitty On 3/19/07, Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and disastrous influence on the health of the citizens? I know that milk pasteurization started at that time. Could that be a reason? Barbara During the early 1900's, various manifestations of heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never seen it before. Terry Chamberlin -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSCholesterol again
Although I cannot find the source right now I have read somewhere that a farmer who fed a newborn calf only pasteurized milk had the calf get ill and die shortly after. Dennis Smitty wrote: I have read that pasteurized milk is BAD for a person's body. Maybe Terry can expound on this. Smitty On 3/19/07, Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and disastrous influence on the health of the citizens? I know that milk pasteurization started at that time. Could that be a reason? Barbara During the early 1900's, various manifestations of heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never seen it before. Terry Chamberlin -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScholesterol
I have deleted many posts but remember that someone had written about lowering their cholesterol naturally. Just wanted to pass this along. A friend of mine was having difficulty getting her cholesterol lowered and could not take the medication due to side effects.She has had good luck with something called Red rice yeast. It is a natural substance and really helped her. - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
CSCholesterol for Teri
Hi Teri - two things that have brought down my husband and my cholesterol naturally and radically: Protein power diet - We both eat this way and it makes a huge difference to our levels. Liver flushing - I was doing a Hulda Clark style liver flush for other reasons and a side effect was that my cholesterol was lowered significantly after doing a couple of them. You can find directions and info on www.curezone.comhttp://www.curezone.com/ There is some risk involved with it, so you should read the site carefully to make your decision about doing it. It's my understanding that a clogged up liver can be a cause of high cholesterol. - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.commailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.commailto:silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2006 #442
Re: CSCholesterol for Teri
World-reknowned cholesterol expert Uffe Ravnskov has a good website and book called the Cholesterol Myths. One of the myths he exposes is that cholesterol has never been proven to cause anything; rather, it's a response. Check his credentials; he's not kidding. Duncan On 25 Jun 2006 at 10:19, Greg Ball wrote: Hi Teri - two things that have brought down my husband and my cholesterol naturally and radically: Protein power diet - We both eat this way and it makes a huge difference to our levels. Liver flushing - I was doing a Hulda Clark style liver flush for other reasons and a side effect was that my cholesterol was lowered significantly after doing a couple of them. You can find directions and info on www.curezone.comhttp://www.curezone.com/ There is some risk involved with it, so you should read the site carefully to make your decision about doing it. It's my understanding that a clogged up liver can be a cause of high cholesterol. - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.commailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.commailto:silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2006 #442 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
grace1...@aol.com wrote: Sometimes people get the wrong idea about the Atkins diet, that it consists of only meat, cheese, fat, and so forth. That would definitely not be healthy, although I know some people who do well on that, and some who don't. Atkins himself said that after the initial breaking in period with his diet, that he recommends fruits and vegetables (complex carbohydrates), and that people have gotten the wrong idea about his diet. That would leave out only sugar and refined carbohydrates, and there is much evidence to suggest that these are the culprits in weight gain, as well as many degenerative diseases. The complex carbohydrates are healthy, and the more raw, organic food we eat, the better. One may choose to focus on those complex carbohydrates which have a lower glycemic index, however. Some people are unaware that the Atkins diet was not originally designed for the purpose of loosing weight. Atkins was experimenting with a diet that would treat serious illness, such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., that was recalcitrant to other treatments. His famous diet worked outstandingly for these patients to return them to health. The weight loss effect was noted later, as a side effect! Nowadays, people often think that is its only purpose, and that benefits of loosing weight must be weighed against (sorry for the pun) the disadvantage of following this unhealthy diet. Jill My wife who was a diabetic for almost 20 years went on the Adkins diet about 2 years ago and is no longer diabetic. She quit taking her pills about 2 months into the diet, and has not needed to take them any more since. In fact the doctor has even quit measuring her blood sugar. In addition she has lost a LOT of unneeded weight. Marshall
CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Mine is sugar and carbs. I once was on a severely lowfat vegetarian diet for 9-10 months, lost 20 lbs but at the end of it, my triglycerides were sky high, and LDL was way up, HDL very low. At the time, my doctor said high triglycerides are a far more important indicator of heart attack risk than total cholesterol, particularly for women. This doctor did not believe I was not eating fats, and kept telling me to cut them out. OTOH, a couple years later, after a short stint of strict Atkins (very high fat, lots of protein, no carbs, no sugar) my triglycerides dropped 167 points, HDL was up, LDL a bit lower. Overall cholesterol numbers stayed about the same. sol I'm curious about the high readings for cholesterol and triglycerides that others in this group are experiencing. What do some of you think the cause is? For me personally the cause is...decaffinated coffee. When I get off of it, my readings have fallen to normal within 6 months. Then I got back on it, I was using 2 scoops of coffee to 2 cups water, once or twice a day, and my triglycerides were really high. Have heard caffinated coffee will affect cholesterol triglycerides less because of chemicals they use todecaffinatee coffee. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven by studies in Europe, so he claims. Barbara OTOH, a couple years later, after a short stint of strict Atkins (very high fat, lots of protein, no carbs, no sugar) my triglycerides dropped 167 points, HDL was up, LDL a bit lower. Overall cholesterol numbers stayed about the same. sol
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Atkins is certainly NOT a healthy way of eating IMHO. This makes the blood and the body's environment EXTREMELY acidic. which makes it a great host for future problems. our system is not designed to be acidic. The simple reason all these different diets have been created is because people are too lazy in most cases to exercise properly and daily. People want a fast and convenient way to lose weight. Proper diet means eating sensibly and complimenting this with regular proper exercise. In the beginning this requires some educating onself to understand foods or to see a nutritionist who does. Takes time as in months to allow the body to adjust and not shock it. We want immediate gratification now days. It doesn't take a few weeks to put on 50-100lbs..so it would make sense to understand it will take about as long to lose the same amount of weight. From: Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:09:19 -0500 Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven by studies in Europe, so he claims. Barbara OTOH, a couple years later, after a short stint of strict Atkins (very high fat, lots of protein, no carbs, no sugar) my triglycerides dropped 167 points, HDL was up, LDL a bit lower. Overall cholesterol numbers stayed about the same. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
from ruthstrackbein at hotmail.com: I have been eating a celiac type diet for about a year and a half. I have not been diagnosed with celiac, but it seemed a healthy way to go. I weighed around 150 lbs to start . Last time I was at the Dr.s it was 128 with clothes. At home I weigh 115-120. That has remained pretty steady. I eat chicken, turkey, fish, eggs, vegetables, no wheat, flour, barley, etc. I just do not eat bread. I do use a very little of the Fleischman's olive oil oleo. Get rid of skin and fat on chicken. Once in awhile I eat beef. My last cholesterol readings showed triglycerides 76, hdl was up a little, LDL remained the same as always which is on the high side. I can't remember the exact readings. But this has not helped my digestive problems at all. Think part may be due to adhesions from 3 abdominal surgeries. Any further information would be welcome. I do not eat sweets. From Ruth Strackbein From: epa...@sympatico.caReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacinDate: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:21:44 +Atkins is certainly NOT a healthy way of eating IMHO.This makes the blood and the body's environment EXTREMELY acidic. which makes it a great host for future problems. our system is not designed to be acidic. The simple reason all these different "diets" have been created is because people are too lazy in most cases to exercise properly and daily. People want a fast and convenient way to lose weight. Proper diet means eating sensibly and complimenting this with regular proper exercise. In the beginning this requires some educating onself to understand foods or to see a nutritionist who does. Takes "time" as in months to allow the body to adjust and not shock it. We want immediate gratification now days. It doesn't take a few weeks to put on 50-100lbs..so it would make sense to understand it will take about as long to lose the same amount of weight.From: "Barbara" barba...@tampabay.rr.comReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacinDate: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:09:19 -0500Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven by studies in Europe, so he claims.Barbara OTOH, a couple years later, after a short stint of strict Atkins (very high fat, lots of protein, no carbs, no sugar) my triglycerides dropped 167 points, HDL was up, LDL a bit lower. Overall cholesterol numbers stayed about the same. sol--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orgTo post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.comAddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comThe Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Everyone is different metabolically. Atkins suits me perfectly and I follow it for close to 2 years now. Barbara Atkins is certainly NOT a healthy way of eating IMHO. This makes the blood and the body's environment EXTREMELY acidic. which makes it a great host for future problems. our system is not designed to be acidic.
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
What makes one person acidic doesn't mean that same thing will make every single human being on the planet acidic. Check the book Metabolic Typing Diet. It discusses the acid/alkaline balance. Some of us achieve balance on a diet that would throw others out of whack. There is a HUGE fallacy in thinking everyone needs or thrives or will achieve a good acid/alkaline balance on the same diet. It simply is not true. There is no laziness involved for me, at least. Most nutritionists are far too likely to believe that there is only one diet that is best for everyone, so only SOME of their clients will thrive on their recommendations. Many will become worse. FWIW, I did not go on Atkins to lose weight, but to feel better, and I did. Anyone who went on an Atkins low carb diet and felt worse would be a fool to continue. Just as it would have been foolish for me to stay on a low fat vegetarian diet. Any understanding of food/how to eat is individual, there is no one best way for everyone. sol epa...@sympatico.ca wrote: Atkins is certainly NOT a healthy way of eating IMHO. This makes the blood and the body's environment EXTREMELY acidic. which makes it a great host for future problems. our system is not designed to be acidic. The simple reason all these different diets have been created is because people are too lazy in most cases to exercise properly and daily. People want a fast and convenient way to lose weight. Proper diet means eating sensibly and complimenting this with regular proper exercise. From: Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:09:19 -0500 Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven by studies in Europe, so he claims. Barbara OTOH, a couple years later, after a short stint of strict Atkins (very high fat, lots of protein, no carbs, no sugar) my triglycerides dropped 167 points, HDL was up, LDL a bit lower. Overall cholesterol numbers stayed about the same. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
you have some valid points.. But your theory or their theory on metabolic types is also inconsistant. It works for some but doesn't work for all. So if it is individual then one cannot say that one works for all. And if a holistic nutritionist opinion is in question? then we might as well throw all professional based thinking out the window and go back to the drawing board for ALL involved. You probably noticed I didn't mention dietician also limitted in thinking from my experience. I would humbly say that if someone has a condition, which ever that condition may be has to do their own dilegence homework but also keep an open mind enough to consider all methods in anything undertaken. with all due respect. Ernie From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:20:24 -0700 What makes one person acidic doesn't mean that same thing will make every single human being on the planet acidic. Check the book Metabolic Typing Diet. It discusses the acid/alkaline balance. Some of us achieve balance on a diet that would throw others out of whack. There is a HUGE fallacy in thinking everyone needs or thrives or will achieve a good acid/alkaline balance on the same diet. It simply is not true. There is no laziness involved for me, at least. Most nutritionists are far too likely to believe that there is only one diet that is best for everyone, so only SOME of their clients will thrive on their recommendations. Many will become worse. FWIW, I did not go on Atkins to lose weight, but to feel better, and I did. Anyone who went on an Atkins low carb diet and felt worse would be a fool to continue. Just as it would have been foolish for me to stay on a low fat vegetarian diet. Any understanding of food/how to eat is individual, there is no one best way for everyone. sol epa...@sympatico.ca wrote: Atkins is certainly NOT a healthy way of eating IMHO. This makes the blood and the body's environment EXTREMELY acidic. which makes it a great host for future problems. our system is not designed to be acidic. The simple reason all these different diets have been created is because people are too lazy in most cases to exercise properly and daily. People want a fast and convenient way to lose weight. Proper diet means eating sensibly and complimenting this with regular proper exercise. From: Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:09:19 -0500 Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven by studies in Europe, so he claims. Barbara OTOH, a couple years later, after a short stint of strict Atkins (very high fat, lots of protein, no carbs, no sugar) my triglycerides dropped 167 points, HDL was up, LDL a bit lower. Overall cholesterol numbers stayed about the same. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
I agree with you sol. I also feel better on Atkins and plan on staying on it for a lng time :) Barbara FWIW, I did not go on Atkins to lose weight, but to feel better, and I did. Anyone who went on an Atkins low carb diet and felt worse would be a fool to continue. Just as it would have been foolish for me to stay on a low fat vegetarian diet. Any understanding of food/how to eat is individual, there is no one best way for everyone. sol
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
I believe you are missing my point. I certainly did not mean to imply that a low carb high fat high animal protein diet is best for everyone. According to the Metabolic Typing Diet one does some testing to determine one's basic metabolic type, then since there are a lot of variations within types/across types, starts with a basic food plan for their basic type, and fine tunes from there. The fine tuning results in a very individualized diet, based on how one reacts on many levels. The iea is to find the diet that best maintains health for an individual. Most diets and books recommend one diet for everyone. I spoke from my own prejudice. I've never personally run across anything written by a nutritionist that didn't have a one size fits all diet they gave to everyone. sol epa...@sympatico.ca wrote: you have some valid points.. But your theory or their theory on metabolic types is also inconsistant. It works for some but doesn't work for all. So if it is individual then one cannot say that one works for all. And if a holistic nutritionist opinion is in question? then we might as well throw all professional based thinking out the window and go back to the drawing board for ALL involved. You probably noticed I didn't mention dietician also limitted in thinking from my experience. I would humbly say that if someone has a condition, which ever that condition may be has to do their own dilegence homework but also keep an open mind enough to consider all methods in anything undertaken. with all due respect. Ernie From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:20:24 -0700 What makes one person acidic doesn't mean that same thing will make every single human being on the planet acidic. Check the book Metabolic Typing Diet. It discusses the acid/alkaline balance. Some of us achieve balance on a diet that would throw others out of whack. There is a HUGE fallacy in thinking everyone needs or thrives or will achieve a good acid/alkaline balance on the same diet. It simply is not true. There is no laziness involved for me, at least. Most nutritionists are far too likely to believe that there is only one diet that is best for everyone, so only SOME of their clients will thrive on their recommendations. Many will become worse. FWIW, I did not go on Atkins to lose weight, but to feel better, and I did. Anyone who went on an Atkins low carb diet and felt worse would be a fool to continue. Just as it would have been foolish for me to stay on a low fat vegetarian diet. Any understanding of food/how to eat is individual, there is no one best way for everyone. sol epa...@sympatico.ca wrote: Atkins is certainly NOT a healthy way of eating IMHO. This makes the blood and the body's environment EXTREMELY acidic. which makes it a great host for future problems. our system is not designed to be acidic. The simple reason all these different diets have been created is because people are too lazy in most cases to exercise properly and daily. People want a fast and convenient way to lose weight. Proper diet means eating sensibly and complimenting this with regular proper exercise. From: Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:09:19 -0500 Atkins is a healthy way of eating. It has been proven by studies in Europe, so he claims. Barbara OTOH, a couple years later, after a short stint of strict Atkins (very high fat, lots of protein, no carbs, no sugar) my triglycerides dropped 167 points, HDL was up, LDL a bit lower. Overall cholesterol numbers stayed about the same. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain -- Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Sometimes people get the wrong idea about the Atkins diet, that it consists of only meat, cheese, fat, and so forth. That would definitely not be healthy, although I know some people who do well on that, and some who don't. Atkins himself said that after the initial breaking in period with his diet, that he recommends fruits and vegetables (complex carbohydrates), and that people have gotten the wrong idea about his diet. That would leave out only sugar and refined carbohydrates, and there is much evidence to suggest that these are the culprits in weight gain, as well as many degenerative diseases. The complex carbohydrates are healthy, and the more raw, organic food we eat, the better. One may choose to focus on those complex carbohydrates which have a lower glycemic index, however. Some people are unaware that the Atkins diet was not originally designed for the purpose of loosing weight. Atkins was experimenting with a diet that would treat serious illness, such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., that was recalcitrant to other treatments. His famous diet worked outstandingly for these patients to return them to health. The weight loss effect was noted later, as a side effect! Nowadays, people often think that is its only purpose, and that benefits of loosing weight must be weighed against (sorry for the pun) the disadvantage of following this unhealthy diet. Jill
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
Quite right. I did forgot to mention my raw veggies, salads, limited fruits, and so on. The original Atkins is a very healthy diet *if* it suits the individual. I personally think things began to go badly awry with Atkins as an eating plan, when they got into all the fake carb replacements for breads, cakes, pastas, and sweets of all kinds. I prefer to stick to real foods as much as humanly possible. sol grace1...@aol.com wrote: Sometimes people get the wrong idea about the Atkins diet, that it consists of only meat, cheese, fat, and so forth. That would definitely not be healthy, although I know some people who do well on that, and some who don't. Atkins himself said that after the initial breaking in period with his diet, that he recommends fruits and vegetables (complex carbohydrates), and that people have gotten the wrong idea about his diet. That would leave out only sugar and refined carbohydrates, and there is much evidence to suggest that these are the culprits in weight gain, as well as many degenerative diseases. The complex carbohydrates are healthy, and the more raw, organic food we eat, the better. One may choose to focus on those complex carbohydrates which have a lower glycemic index, however. Some people are unaware that the Atkins diet was not originally designed for the purpose of loosing weight. Atkins was experimenting with a diet that would treat serious illness, such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., that was recalcitrant to other treatments. His famous diet worked outstandingly for these patients to return them to health. The weight loss effect was noted later, as a side effect! Nowadays, people often think that is its only purpose, and that benefits of loosing weight must be weighed against (sorry for the pun) the disadvantage of following this unhealthy diet. Jill -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
I did read all of this and also that the more free medicine in Europe is in agreement with Atkins. They did test studies and confirmed the benefits of his diet on so many degenerative diseases that have no cure here in States. Barbara Some people are unaware that the Atkins diet was not originally designed for the purpose of loosing weight. Atkins was experimenting with a diet that would treat serious illness, such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc., that was recalcitrant to other treatments. His famous diet worked outstandingly for these patients to return them to health. The weight loss effect was noted later, as a side effect! Nowadays, people often think that is its only purpose, and that benefits of loosing weight must be weighed against (sorry for the pun) the disadvantage of following this unhealthy diet. Jill
Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin
This site is very anti carbohydrate.Even fiber therapy bad. http://www.biblelife.org/carbs.htm
CSCholesterol and Vitamin C
For all those interested there is some great info at www.vitamincfoundation.org then download the free video on Vitamin C
CScholesterol, and Lecithin - study from Morrison 1958
Below is a web site that I found interesting regard Lecithin I just began get Lecithin (granules) from the health food store and putting them in applesauce... two to three times a day. Approximately 1 large tbls... do not put in anything hot or warm. I believe I've notice something happening... to early to tell as I just started 2 days ago. Anyone else using this? connie http://www.diet-and-health.net/Supplements/PhosphatidylCholine.html
Re: CScholesterol, and Lecithin - study from Morrison 1958
The DR thought my wife had a blocked artery on the side of her neck and her magnesium was so low he said she could die. I bought one pound of lecithin had her take a tablespoon of lecithin and 250 mg of magnesium oxide. DR had her admitted to the Hospital. Her magnesium level was normal and passed a Doppler checking for blockage. He tried all sorts of tests, all negative. My father took 3 tablespoons of lecithin a day for a blocked neck artery back in the 70's. Two years after seeing his DR who said to operate, his DR said the blockage was gone. My Omron nebulizer quit so back trying Walgrens humidifier. Just finished spraying herbicides and Asthma tends to get worse after spraying. The CS + DMSO seems to help. This time the humidifier seemed to work as good as the more expensive nebulizer. I also have the red LEDs over my chest area. I made sure my hot tub pH was alkaline and try to get one hour of ultra violet from the sun each noon. I read that an alkaline bath enhances the suns ultra violet. Pollen from several trees is near springtime levels. I have several steroid inhalers that seemed to not work. Brickey
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Hi Brickeyk, Try grape seed extract it is a natural anti histamine. I used some and it worked real good for me. worked on the first dose. I took about 3 or 4 caps. it seems to hold for a long time so I only took it every few days. http://www.drmyattswellnessclub.com/grapeseed.htm Take care, V The DR thought my wife had a blocked artery on the side of her neck and her magnesium was so low he said she could die. I bought one pound of lecithin had her take a tablespoon of lecithin and 250 mg of magnesium oxide. DR had her admitted to the Hospital. Her magnesium level was normal and passed a Doppler checking for blockage. He tried all sorts of tests, all negative. My father took 3 tablespoons of lecithin a day for a blocked neck artery back in the 70's. Two years after seeing his DR who said to operate, his DR said the blockage was gone. My Omron nebulizer quit so back trying Walgrens humidifier. Just finished spraying herbicides and Asthma tends to get worse after spraying. The CS + DMSO seems to help. This time the humidifier seemed to work as good as the more expensive nebulizer. I also have the red LEDs over my chest area. I made sure my hot tub pH was alkaline and try to get one hour of ultra violet from the sun each noon. I read that an alkaline bath enhances the suns ultra violet. Pollen from several trees is near springtime levels. I have several steroid inhalers that seemed to not work. Brickey -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScholesterol
Well, it isn`t just glucose, didn`t you see one of the end products is cholesterol?? As to natural, it is highly refined, and that, IMHO, ain`t natural!! Marshalee I don't follow.. If the end result is all glucose, what difference does it make what the source is? Sucrose, white sugar, is a natural sugar from cane and beets. Nothing unnatural about it, though it does lack the accompanying minerals and vitamins and such that molasses has. ..nuthin wrong wit mo lasses.. I take aw de lasses Ah kin gits mah hay-nds on. Come on ova'h hey-re sugah beet! I be dying of a hart attak wit a tootless smile on mah face! ;-) Ode At 11:43 PM 7/14/04, you wrote: Dear Terry, I read somewhere that sucrose, (table sugar, which is definitely not a natural food, for sure,) is the cause of high cholesterol, not eggs or meat. When sucrose is digested, it breaks down to glucose and fructose. The fructose is then broken down to more glucose and, taaa daa, Cholesterol!!! Makes sense, that sugar is what is killing us. I`m addicted to the stuff... Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScholesterol
I don't follow.. If the end result is all glucose, what difference does it make what the source is? Sucrose, white sugar, is a natural sugar from cane and beets. Nothing unnatural about it, though it does lack the accompanying minerals and vitamins and such that molasses has. ..nuthin wrong wit mo lasses.. I take aw de lasses Ah kin gits mah hay-nds on. Come on ova'h hey-re sugah beet! I be dying of a hart attak wit a tootless smile on mah face! ;-) Ode At 11:43 PM 7/14/04, you wrote: Dear Terry, I read somewhere that sucrose, (table sugar, which is definitely not a natural food, for sure,) is the cause of high cholesterol, not eggs or meat. When sucrose is digested, it breaks down to glucose and fructose. The fructose is then broken down to more glucose and, taaa daa, Cholesterol!!! Makes sense, that sugar is what is killing us. I`m addicted to the stuff... Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The difference is the cost to the body of breaking the various forms of sugar down to glucose, which all carbohydrates ultimately are, regardless of how complex or simple. As I mentioned in an eralier message to the list today, on sugars, when the normal pathway for sucrose is overwhelmed then the alternative pathway kicks in. This alt pathway has more toxic by products. As an aside . . . Glucose can also be made from protien, but the body does not utilize this pathway unless it has to. Gluconeogensis is the name of the process. The end result may be the same but the road you take to get there does indeed influence the experience. Choose your path well applies to biochemistry as well as life's more spiritual aspects. Garnet On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 06:40, Ode Coyote wrote: I don't follow.. If the end result is all glucose, what difference does it make what the source is? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Over ten years ago, the two-time Nobel prize Laureate, Dr Linus Pauling and his associate Dr Matthias Rath, advocated and published a definitive thesis on the root cause, treatment, and actual cure for all forms of cardiovascular disease (CVD), including congestive heart failure, heart disease, and stroke. Today, cardiovascular related health problems together comprise fully one half of all causes of death in the US. Pauling and Rath's brilliant analysis of CVD is absolutely compelling and amply supported by numerous epidemiological and clinical studies. His unified theory of CVD constitutes one of the greatest breakthroughs in modern science, and yet has been almost completely ignored by the mainstream medical establishment, and received almost no press. http://www.paulingtherapy.com/ David Bearrow At 11:43 PM 7/14/04, you wrote: Dear Terry, I read somewhere that sucrose, (table sugar, which is definitely not a natural food, for sure,) is the cause of high cholesterol, not eggs or meat. When sucrose is digested, it breaks down to glucose and fructose. The fructose is then broken down to more glucose and, taaa daa, Cholesterol!!! Makes sense, that sugar is what is killing us. I`m addicted to the stuff... Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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In a message dated 07/15/2004 6:57:27 AM Central Daylight Time, dav...@sbcglobal.net writes: Over ten years ago, the two-time Nobel prize Laureate, Dr Linus Pauling and his associate Dr Matthias Rath, advocated and published a definitive thesis on the root cause, treatment, and actual cure for all forms of cardiovascular disease (CVD), including congestive heart failure, heart David B, thanks for posting this, new hope for my husband's CVD... Laura H., TX
