date:20031125





DB-- My site is under construction.  I took off some info due to FDA scare. 
I feel that almost everyone who orders from me knows about the product.  Add 
one teas. xylitol to 8 ounces of  Cs and stir till dissolved. You may add a 
few drops or 1/5 teas DMSO or MSM if available-makes it a little more 
effective.  Put the solution in an old nasal spray bottle or in a Neti cup 
for usage-or just lie on your back and use a dropper.

TJ Garland, CMO supplier
  there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.






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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSXyllergy, TJ's site, CMO
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:42:30 -0800 (PST)

TJ-

About your Xyllergy-
I searched the archives for that post, but didn't find
a formula; would you repeat it please?

I found your website. Nice. But you need to put some
more obvious contact info in there I think.

CMO- Folks, I have used TJ's CMO with WONDERFUL
results. Just a little testimonial and advertisement.

DB

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Re: CSdisclaimer?



  I agree completely
but sometimes forget till a fight reminds me.
 If I'm not out to win, how can I lose?
Ode

At 03:34 PM 11/23/2003 -0600, you wrote:
At 02:56 PM 11/23/2003 -0500, William wrote:
hi ode
this disclaimer of yours is just a little too much tho i see your
satire and humor.

the truth is the med/fed/corporation consortium is
way beyond their place in attacking different information.
who told us that only people certified by the ama or whatever
are the only people who can offer information on treating
a condition?
at some point you have to call a spade a spade. i have the right
to think and diseminate information that i believe may be helpful.

i believe that there are issues today that have grown big enough
that we need to seriously consider our place in relation to
those powers that seek to govern us.

And what makes some folks think they are The Special and Only Ones
Capable of Herding the Cattle to THEIR Promised Land?

I am not a cow and being herded anywhere is irrelevant to my purpose.

i believe men and woman of good will are required to say
no if they clearly see a law as unjust.

To wade thru the thousands of pages of the Federal Register
looking for unjust laws fits some personal holograms. Not mine.
Even fighting one unjust law is a horrible time waster.

I don't need to justify my actions to anyone and for me:

Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

I will do it my way as you will when u see an unjust law.

There is no way to control a Determined Other.

Control freaks cannot survive without participants and when u just
ACKNOWLEDGE
The Law without doing anything else, they gotcha. Ur in The Matrix.

stuff

that's all i will say on this topic.


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Re: CSRe: using salt- was ceramic purifiers...

  Personally,  I wouldn't hesitate to use that filter for a single second.
 1 PPM at a gallon a day drinking water ain't diddly squat especially
diluted into what..6-8 quarts of body fluids? ..and there has to be some
sort of elimination rate even for AgCl.
 How much AgCl actually is absorbed into the blood stream from the
digestive tract...all of it,  or very little of it? [I dunno]
 But in this case for this purpose, the digestive tract is where it all
counts.
 Cooking water is boiled.
 Remove disk and go with getting the crud out to boil up clear but
dangerous water and save the disk for when it's needed for drinking water.
 Plus, with some AgCl floating around  in the tummy with your meals, it
might just get anything that sneaks by even at 1/10 the killing power.
 That might come in handy where there is no refrigeration.
Ode

At 10:01 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Reid Harvey wrote:

 Ode,
 Thanks for all this info.  I woke up struggling with the idea of
 informing people on the methods of saturating AgCl ceramic water
 purifiers.  It's incredibly simple to take a common, ceramic candle
 filter, saturate with silver nitrate, then run water through it.  Then,
 with the silver chloride disinfectant within the ceramic one ends up
 with a *highly effective,* and very inexpensive disinfectant against
 virtually all of the fecal coliform indicators.  The *problem* is that
 you also get something like 1.0 ppm of silver chloride in the water.

 Of course, we're still working on silver methods that don't add anything
 to the water.  But in not reporting the AgCl ceramic purifier wouldn't
 our priorities be askew?  Each and every day, somewhere in the world,
 about 4000 people die of the dehydration caused by dysentery, the result
 of bacteria contaminated water.  It seems a little crazy to deny them so
 simple an idea as a silver chloride water filter, just because of a
 remote risk of argyria.

 Can someone suggest whether or not I should tell people about silver
 chloride water filters?  I'm presently very indecisive.

Are those who use the filter dark or light skinned?  I don't believe dark
skinned people can acquire argyria as easily as light skinned, since light
is necessary and I don't believe it penetrates sufficiently deep in the
skin. Even so, I am not sure that 1 ppm of silver chloride would cause it
anyway even in light skinned people.. From what I have read, the
concentrations of silver must be far more than that.

I believe if that low a concentration of silver chloride could cause
argyria, we would all be getting it, since it appears that much of the ionic
portion of what we all drink becomes silver chloride upon contact with
stomach acid.

If I did tell them I would not call it argyria, they would not know what
that was. I would only say that extended use could possibly cause darkening
of the skin for some people and let it go at that.

Marshall


 Reid

 Ode Coyote wrote:
  Gleaned from various sources.. [don't make me look em up!]

  Silver chloride is 1/10th as active against micro-organizms as  pure
 silver at a given PPM in vitro. [ie. it still 'works', just not as well]

 AgCl is photo reactive.
 It's not very soluable in water and may lead to turning blue if used
 extensively and other paramters are present.
  It's not all that toxic but somewhat more so than pure silver.
  It may form a particle that's too big to stay suspended in water and
 you
 might have to shake the bottle up.
 [If it's that big and not very soluable, seems to me that it'll just
 pass
 on through and not do much of anything]

  It might form  in the body  from ionic silver anyway [even then
 different
 particle sizes forming may have various effects..no clue as to the
 particulars], or it's formation prevented or partially prevented by
 metallo
 protein transport.

  If you put salt in already made ionic silver water, you'll make some
 AgCl
 pretty fast.

  In small amounts, IMO..no big deal.
  But why make it on purpose?

 Ode

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Re: CSFalse Tyndall effect?


  Update

 After sitting for 8 days, TE has developed a little more.  Still not what
I'd expect from the conductivity drop.
 I sent samples to Frank Key.

Fingers crossed.
 I might have to revise everything I think I know.
 That's a scary thought.
 LOL
 I might have to develop a taste for crow pie, ey?
 But however it turns out..that's how it's gonna be.

ode [cringe]

At 10:28 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
There actually is no point at which tyndall starts showing up.  It is a
continuous process, and if I remember right changes by the 3rd power of
particle size.  So as you get smaller the tyndall goes down very rapidly.
If you look at a large amount of pure water,  it will exhibit a blue
tyndall due to this,
as will water vapor in the sky.

Thus if you have ions, the amount of tyndall from them will be negligible,
but present.  If you have two atoms forming a particle, it is still going
to be so small as to contribute negligible tyndall.

My guess is the the particles formed by sitting are very very small and
contributing little to the tyndall.

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:

 I have run across a strange TE anomolie.

 It is normal for conductivity to drop as particles form since particles
don't contribute to conductivity and they form out of ions over time.
 I had previously thought that these converted ions would all contribute
to a stronger TE but here's the thing...

 I made several batches using the latest evolution of the Series 2
silverpuppy that metered out at around 22 uS with a PWT when done. [I use
thermal convection stirring which does heat the water some]
 After sitting for a week or so, re-metering yielded 12 uS but the TE had
not changed significantly from virtually none.

 I ran an experiment to document the effects of heat on conductivity
where a PWT is concerned. [Result: Over a 30 deg F change from 70 to 100 as
worst case high temp, the difference was 2.6 uS. I'm calling it 3 uS..so,
that 22 uS will be known as 19 uS to account for temperature distortion as
worst case]

 So, starting at 19 uS dropping to 12 uS and no real change in TE...what
happened?
 Is there such a thing as a non conductive particle that's too small
for visible light to reflect off of?
 Or is the water itself doing something strange that throws the PWT off
that heat soak doesn't explain?

 Anybody have a clue?
 Ode

 At 09:36 AM 11/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
 

  Hi, Jonathan and Ode!

  Thanks for your input.

  The electrodes remained in the
  vessel throughout the run. This
  was done because it was a
  control experiment for weak-
  current electrolysis.

  On reflection, I can identify at
  contamination or extraneous
  factors, though there are reasons
  to discount each of them.

  1) The process took place in an
  environment with large amounts of
  chalk dust generated every day, i.e.
  a school. But chalk dust is mostly
  large particulate. On the other hand,
  some portion of it is small enough
  to collect in people's lungs and
  make them cough.

  2) The process took place in a
  place illuminated by fluorescent
  lights. And Svedberg discovered that
  UV will sinter metallic silver in
  water into CS. On the other hand,
  the glass tube in a fluorescent light
  blocks the large amounts of UV
  generated inside the tube.

  3)The process took place in a
  place that received direct sunlight
  for much of the day. On the other
  hand, the panes of window glass
  block out most of the UV in
  sunlight.

  So it still remains a mystery to me.

  One thing I have learned, though, is
  a greater respect for the Tyndall Effect.
  I also wonder why it is not exploited
  more, especially as a quantitative
  metric.

  We have sophisticated electronics to
  measure pH, conductivity, total dissolved
  solids, temperature, time control and
  so forth.

  Tyndallometry was put on a quantitative
  basis in the age of Victorian and
  Edwardian science, long before the
  availability of electronics. The light
  sources back then we heliostats and
  carbon arc lamps, which are vastly
  inferior compared to the laser diode
  pointers affordable by all of us today.

  In fact, there are now green laser
  diode pointers on the market that
  might make it possible, when used
  with a red laser diode, for ordinary
  people to do Tyndall spectroscopy.

  Do-it-yourself Tyndallometry and
  Tyndall spectroscopy would give us
  a handle on particle size distribution
  and concentrations of particulate
  surface area. If I am not mistaken,
  these have important clinical
  implications. And after all, our
  primary goal is enhancement of
  health.

  Well, thank you for your comments.
  They have already given me a lot
  of food for thought.

  Best wishes,

Re: CSPurple CS


  I have found that crossing a threshold of 110 to 120 deg F will produce
yellow CS.
 Some websites actually include that in their directions so you can make
yellow CS on purpose.

 I wonder if there's some sort of energy floating around Paulas area that
excites things on a molecular level. She does live up in that neck of the
woods where secret things happen.
 Cosmic rays?  Military secrets? ULF radio?  Dare I say it?  UFO base?

Ode

At 09:26 AM 11/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Weird, when I use warmed water I get VERY yellow CS. But then I'm
the one that has yellow (varying shades from very faint straw to
really yellow) results more often than not, who has thought the
problem solved at least twice, and been wrong.
 However, if the CS only turns purple in the pet water bowl, it's
probably from saliva.

paula
- Original Message - 
From: silversurfer1952 . silversurfer1...@hotmail.com
 Hi Debbie,

 I have the same generator as you.  The first, maiden batch was
clear but
 the subsequent two batches turned distinctly yellow.  The last two
batches I
 started with warmed-up water which shortened the brew time to under
90
 minutes (for 8 oz) and the results have been clear CS.

 Elle




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Re: CSFibro/Lyme/lupus/ALS--etc.

Jonathan painfully scribes:
 ... his own abstracts, available free online,  are generously wrong, 
 and an education for anyone interested in health issues.

Dan ponders:
  Maybe I'm just slow today, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

Carol remarks:
 Sure glad I wasn't the only one confused by that..lol

And we *ALL* wait patiently for Jonathan to check back in and explain 
what the heck he meant to write!! LOL

sigh

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Re: CSA comparison website

  And for your insulting remarks:
  ---
  communist nation
  I hope you didn't mean Belgium with it. Please check your own first.
  
  Euros, a funny money currency worth more than US Fiat currency?
  There are other currencies on this world, you know. And also other
  languages, ways to do things, ... Surprise!
 **
 Back off -- you are the guest here

Holy smokes! Whatdaheckizallthis?

Jack, *YOU* and Filip are both *MY* guests. Your remarks about his 
country, currency, politics or whatever are entirely unnecessary to the 
discussion of Colloidal Silver, not to mention rude. Our membership 
spans the globe. Get used to it.

Filip, it's customary on this list to discuss your difficulties with 
other people's conduct in private e-mail -- with the offender and/or 
with me as you prefer. My address is at the bottom of every list 
message.

Kindly do not escalate things, men.

sigh

Carry on folks.

Mike Devour
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RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #928

2003-11-25 Thread Richard Harris

Thanks  Hanneke,
For this shared advice--congratulations on saving so much money! Watch out,
or you'll be getting offers to share some of this money with needy people.
I'd suggest that you put some of this same CS/MSM solution in his drinking
water  help protect him or her from many other problems.
Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
  -Original Message-
  From: Hanneke [mailto:bloss...@ozemail.com.au]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:40 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #928


  Treating regularly recurring earinfections in my Rottweiler with 2 full
droppers daily of CS mixed with MSM. Effective and cheap (certainly compared
to a 400 dollar vet bill for same problem causing more problems then
relief).

  Hanneke ~ Australia

  - Original Message -
From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:35 AM
Subject: silver-digest Digest V103 #928

Re: CSWhy, o why doesn't it do its wonderful thing for me?

 As i currently use 24V DC adaptor on 2 (125mm long, 2mm thick) 99,9%
 silver electrodes for 15 minutes in 500 ml of boiled distilled water,
 I have no way of knowing how much ppm I produced. I only know it was
 both times clear not yellow. The + electrode (red on the multimeter)
 became dirty gray and the - electrode (black on the multimeter) became
 yellow. I think I read somewhere that it should be vica versa. 

I think that's pretty normal. Let it go a while longer and the anode 
becomes very dark gray and the cathode (-) gathers a fluffy light gray 
sludge, but can start out yellow and tarnished looking as you 
describe. Don't stir any of that stuff into the brew. Remove the wires  
carefully and wipe them off with a clean, lint-free something or other.

As long as you are confident that you are using at least 99.9% pure 
silver, then I really have to believe you're getting pretty good CS. 
Worst case, get a silver bullion coin or ingot for a few bucks/euros 
from a coin shop and hang the end of *that* in the water.  

You're probably not running it long enough to turn your CS yellow. Try 
running for an hour and you'll probably start to get yellow! Without 
current limiting that is the kind of material you should get.

Your short run time, however, is probably giving you the most potent CS 
you can get from such a system, as whatever silver is in there is 
mostly ionic and *very* small particles that haven't agglomerated.

Which makes be suspect that you're looking at a herx of some sort.

Which suggests that you back off the Colloidal Silver for a bit and try 
some Grapefruit Seed Extract or any of the other known antibacterials 
available in the alternative pharmacopeia. See if you get a similar 
reaction from any of them, which would indicate your stomach is 
responding to the toxic load from pathogens dying off.

What brand of commercial CS was it you were using? 

Another thing to ask yourself is what kind of shape is your liver in? 
Is it having are harder time clearing the toxins you're exposing than 
it ought to?

Mike D.

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Re: CSFibro/Lyme/lupus/ALS--etc.

2003-11-25 Thread Dan Nave

you wrote: 
 his own abstracts, available free online,  are generously wrong,  
and an education for anyone interested in health issues.

Maybe I'm just slow today, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

Dan



Re: CSFibro/Lyme/lupus/ALS--etc.

 From: Jonathan B. Britten (view other messages by this author) 
 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:53:36 

Aloha, Helen,

If Dr. Y. Omura is correct,  and I believe him,  Cilantro and EPA/DHA 
fish oil may be two of the most powerful medicines available to us,  a

modest cost,  tremendous benefit, and virtually no risk.   This man's 
work continues to astound me,  and I recommend that list members keep 
abreast of his work;  his own abstracts, available free online,  are 
generously wrong,  and an education for anyone interested in health 
issues.



JBB



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Re: CSA comparison website

2003-11-25 Thread filip . hoeven

Euh...


For the CS-related remark:

 Colloidal Silver can be produced for pennies per ounce, what
 would make the silver already produced worth that much
As I mentioned in my post, I already knew that CS can be made
reasonably cheap by myself. Except for the fact that with my simple
setup I can only guess how much ppm I'm making and even if I
buy a controlled system (as I am thinking about buying the silver
puppy) I still face the problem of having no way of checking the
used destilled water and the silverelectrodes for purity.

As I am following this silver-list for a couple of weeks now, I wanted
to add some - maybe useful info (and I still think it is useful) - to the
community instead of only asking help.
It can be useful, not just for buying tips, but maybe for testing your
own CS batches or some other useful info from the site. As I am
researching CS, each week I find some new source of information
that just doesn't show up directly when searching Google for Colloidal
Silver.

---
And for your insulting remarks:
---
 communist nation
I hope you didn't mean Belgium with it. Please check your own first.

 Euros, a funny money currency worth more than US Fiat currency?
There are other currencies on this world, you know. And also other
languages, ways to do things, ... Surprise!

 That is something deserving of a little thought
I hope you were talking about the CS and its prices again here...

I could have (and was very tempted) to go into the offence here, but I do
believe that there are wise and kind people at your part of the world that
did not deserve such offences. I've been replied by them the past few
weeks, so I am sure about that.

Be nice is what's important here.

Regards,
Filip

- Original Message - 
From: Cliff Hume ch...@shaw.ca
To: filip.hoe...@pandora.be
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: CSA comparison website


Collopidal Silver can be produced for pennies per ounce, what would make the
silver produced in that communist nation worth thirty-five Euros, a funny
money currency worth more than US Fiat currency? That is something deserving
of a little thought.


At 11:29 AM 11/25/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Dear CS-community,

I don't know if the following website is known to any of you, but I just
found it
while searching to buy pre-made CS:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/
I don't know how trustworthy all the information is at this website, I also
did not
yet check it out entirely, but look at:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html
You can even get a comparison chart, for what it's worth.

I found the website when I searched to buy Sovereign Silver. But it
costs 35 EUROS or DOLLARS for 120ml of 10ppm.

Any remarks?

PS: I know making CS yourself should be easy and cost less, but as I
mentioned
before to this list, I already have tried 2 different batches with silver
from 2 different
sources and I got 2 times a reaction that nobody really has an answer
for...

I tried one commercial product before and I did not have any bad reaction,
but also
not really a good result either. Maybe they sold me plain water ;=(.
Anyway, I've
became a little afraid of my selfmade batches...

Kind regards,
Filip



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Re: CSPurple CS

2003-11-25 Thread Marshall Dudley

It is not a threshold from my testing, but a continuous curve. As temperature
increases, so does particle size.  That is why I make my CS at just above
freezing.

Anyway, I also found that the particle size is such at 120 F that it becomes
yellow at that temperature.  At lower temperatures, all the absorptions are
in the ultraviolet region, so you cannot see the color change with your
eyes, but they can be recorded with my scanning photospectrograph.

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:

   I have found that crossing a threshold of 110 to 120 deg F will produce
 yellow CS.
  Some websites actually include that in their directions so you can make
 yellow CS on purpose.

  I wonder if there's some sort of energy floating around Paulas area that
 excites things on a molecular level. She does live up in that neck of the
 woods where secret things happen.
  Cosmic rays?  Military secrets? ULF radio?  Dare I say it?  UFO base?

 Ode

 At 09:26 AM 11/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
 Weird, when I use warmed water I get VERY yellow CS. But then I'm
 the one that has yellow (varying shades from very faint straw to
 really yellow) results more often than not, who has thought the
 problem solved at least twice, and been wrong.
  However, if the CS only turns purple in the pet water bowl, it's
 probably from saliva.
 
 paula
 - Original Message -
 From: silversurfer1952 . silversurfer1...@hotmail.com
  Hi Debbie,
 
  I have the same generator as you.  The first, maiden batch was
 clear but
  the subsequent two batches turned distinctly yellow.  The last two
 batches I
  started with warmed-up water which shortened the brew time to under
 90
  minutes (for 8 oz) and the results have been clear CS.
 
  Elle
 
 
 
 
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CSNasal Spray Bottles

2003-11-25 Thread Jim Wright (Lists)

Here are a few web sites for nasal spray bottles.

http://www.apothecaryproducts.com/catalogue/grouping.asp?CatID=43Gr
oupID=452

http://www.apothecaryproducts.com/catalogue/grouping.asp?CatID=43Gr
oupID=453

http://www.1-800-medical.com/nasal/nasal.htm#order

Watch for broken links and be sure that all the information on each
link is between the
 and the  on each one.

Jim W.


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Re: CSA comparison website

THis is Frank Keys site
Probably the best going.

Ode

At 11:29 AM 11/25/2003 +0100, you wrote:

Dear CS-community,

I don't know if the following website is known to any of you, but I just found it
while searching to buy pre-made CS:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/>http://www.silver-colloids.com/
I don't know how trustworthy all the information is at this website, I also did not
yet check it out entirely, but look at:

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html>http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html
You can even get a comparison chart, for what it's worth.

I found the website when I searched to buy Sovereign Silver. But it
costs 35 EUROS or DOLLARS for 120ml of 10ppm.

Any remarks?

PS: I know making CS yourself should be easy and cost less, but as I mentioned
before to this list, I already have tried 2 different batches with silver from 2 different
sources and I got 2 times a reaction that nobody really has an answer for...

I tried one commercial product before and I did not have any bad reaction, but also
not really a good result either. Maybe they sold me plain water ;=(. Anyway, I've
became a little afraid of my selfmade batches...

Kind regards,
Filip

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RE: CSA comparison website

2003-11-25 Thread Richard Harris

Hi Filip,

I thought you'd have been swamped with replies from more knowledgable
contributors than I; however, let me share that I use ONLY two 1 oz. silver
ingots .999 stamped on the ingot (they are Christmas Ornaments and came from
a coin shop--cost about $7.50 each and are VERY satisfactory and at my 80
years age will last me for many, many years. If you need a source, I'll
e-mail his address to you and I'm sure he'd send your order.

For manufacturing, I use ONLY the 2 pure (.999 silver cathode  anode); pure
Walgreen's steam-distilled water--Sodium-free, micro-filtered, Ozonated) and
a Radio Shack 13.5/30 v (1000mA) AC Adapter Cat. # 273-1668; Running on the
30v for about 2-3 hours to make 1/2 gallon; using an aquarium stone bubbler
for stirring and the CS comes out clear with a nice Tyndall; my lab is in
our air conditioned home basement with a UV light in the duct + an Air
Filter like Hospitals; we have NO pets, allow NO smokers so we have NO air
pollution. I used several smaller, less expensive wall-warts, but they each
soon burned out--so I graduated to this heavier duty (about $30) and could
not be happier with my product or the production process at any higher
price. Should I run it too long, I dilute it with the Walgreen's water (see
above) to make a gallon or more depending on the Tyndall.

I have given much CS away, but discovered that about 90% of the recipients
would carry it away, but NOT try it, but said, I'll check with my doctor 
never used CS! Now I give them a 3 page list of uses, and a list of CS
websites to check out and refer their doctor to if they desire + I charge
them $10 /pt--if they live nearby and bring a clean qt jar it's the same
$10; $15 / 1-2 gal and $20 /gal. I discovered that when they put their money
(invest) in CS, they will use it and marvel at the marvelous results they 
their pets receive from CS usage.

If I can help in any way, let me know. Check out my site: www.rharrisinc.com
if get request for password, click Cancel once or twice.
Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

[Richard Harris]  -Original Message-
From: filip.hoe...@pandora.be [mailto:filip.hoe...@pandora.be]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:30 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSA comparison website


  Dear CS-community,

  I don't know if the following website is known to any of you, but I just
found it
  while searching to buy pre-made CS:
  http://www.silver-colloids.com/
  I don't know how trustworthy all the information is at this website, I
also did not
  yet check it out entirely, but look at:
  http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html
  You can even get a comparison chart, for what it's worth.

  I found the website when I searched to buy Sovereign Silver. But it
  costs 35 EUROS or DOLLARS for 120ml of 10ppm.

  Any remarks?

  PS: I know making CS yourself should be easy and cost less, but as I
mentioned
  before to this list, I already have tried 2 different batches with silver
from 2 different
  sources and I got 2 times a reaction that nobody really has an answer
for...

  I tried one commercial product before and I did not have any bad reaction,
but also
  not really a good result either. Maybe they sold me plain water ;=(.
Anyway, I've
  became a little afraid of my selfmade batches...

  Kind regards,
  Filip

Re: CSNasal Spray Bottles

2003-11-25 Thread Tel Tofflemire


Thanks for the links
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ

Jim Wright (Lists) wrote:


Here are a few web sites for nasal spray bottles.

http://www.apothecaryproducts.com/catalogue/grouping.asp?CatID=43Gr
oupID=452

http://www.apothecaryproducts.com/catalogue/grouping.asp?CatID=43Gr
oupID=453

http://www.1-800-medical.com/nasal/nasal.htm#order

Watch for broken links and be sure that all the information on each
link is between the
 and the  on each one.

Jim W.


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Re: CSPurple CS

2003-11-25 Thread sol

God knows..I sure don't!
here, even warming the water to about 90 degrees made my CS come out
very yellow, not just light colored, but REALLY yellow.  We are under
a major flight path for commercial air traffic, but so are plenty of
places in the country where folks don't have the trouble I do.
   We even confirmed the calibration of my PWT (within limits that
should produce excellent clear CS) by using a MM to test resistance of
the DW per Ole Bob's instructions)
Things have improved somewhat, I've learned how to get the best
possible DW that my distiller can produce, and my CS mostly now just
turns faint straw color, or light yellow at the worst. A perfectly
clear batch is still a rarity, except with my homemade generator. Bob
sent me the info how to do the math to figure the current, and current
per the area of the electrode stays under 1 ma until total current is
4.5 ma apparently.  So that is one mystery solved.
   At this point, I just am too stubborn to stop trying to get an
answer to this..I'm not too worried about the quality of my
CS, I know it is good even if slightly colored, and I can clear it
with a little H202, which I use for mouthwash, etc, anyway. I just
can't stand not knowing why. Bugs me.

paula
- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net

   I have found that crossing a threshold of 110 to 120 deg F will
produce
 yellow CS.
  Some websites actually include that in their directions so you can
make
 yellow CS on purpose.

  I wonder if there's some sort of energy floating around Paulas area
that
 excites things on a molecular level. She does live up in that neck
of the
 woods where secret things happen.
  Cosmic rays?  Military secrets? ULF radio?  Dare I say it?  UFO
base?




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Re: CSPurple CS

2003-11-25 Thread sol

Ah, something else for me to try---warming the DW made my problems
worse, maybe cooling it below room temp would be of use?
paula
- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com

 It is not a threshold from my testing, but a continuous curve. As
temperature
 increases, so does particle size.  That is why I make my CS at just
above
 freezing.

 Anyway, I also found that the particle size is such at 120 F that it
becomes
 yellow at that temperature.  At lower temperatures, all the
absorptions are
 in the ultraviolet region, so you cannot see the color change with
your
 eyes, but they can be recorded with my scanning photospectrograph.

 Marshall




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Re: CSFibro/Lyme/lupus/ALS--etc.

2003-11-25 Thread Carol Kehoe

Sure glad I wasn't the only one confused by that..lol

C. Kehoe
- Original Message - 
From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: CSFibro/Lyme/lupus/ALS--etc.

 you wrote: 
  his own abstracts, available free online,  are generously wrong,  
 and an education for anyone interested in health issues.

 Maybe I'm just slow today, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

 Dan

 Re: CSFibro/Lyme/lupus/ALS--etc.

  From: Jonathan B. Britten (view other messages by this author) 
  Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:53:36 

 Aloha, Helen,

 If Dr. Y. Omura is correct,  and I believe him,  Cilantro and EPA/DHA 
 fish oil may be two of the most powerful medicines available to us,  a

 modest cost,  tremendous benefit, and virtually no risk.   This man's 
 work continues to astound me,  and I recommend that list members keep 
 abreast of his work;  his own abstracts, available free online,  are 
 generously wrong,  and an education for anyone interested in health 
 issues.

 JBB

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CSRe: Cataracts CS/DMSO


Charles Sutton   11/24/03 4:30 PM  Wrote:


Eye DR saw small cataracts still even with me using CS + DMSO eye drops
daily.
**
Cataracts are NOT caused by an infection, so that is not an appropiate test.
look up cataracts ( try Google ) there is a lot to learn,

Jack

Be Nice

Re: CSNasal Spray Bottles

2003-11-25 Thread Dan Nave

Re: CSNasal Spray Bottles

Yes, thanks for the links.
I had done some searches a few months ago 
and had not found anything reasonable.

Dan



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Re: CSA comparison website

filip.hoe...@pandora.be   11/25/03 7:55 AM  Wrote:

 And for your insulting remarks:
 ---
 communist nation
 I hope you didn't mean Belgium with it. Please check your own first.
 
 Euros, a funny money currency worth more than US Fiat currency?
 There are other currencies on this world, you know. And also other
 languages, ways to do things, ... Surprise!
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RE: CSRe: Cataracts CS/DMSO

2003-11-25 Thread Vince Richter

There sure is a lot to learn.  One thing I've learned on this list  is
that not only does CS kill bacteria, but it promotes healing
independently of killing bacteria.  Gives cells something to promote
healthy growth.  Does it help Cataracts?  I don't know.  I do know, at
least until I learn otherwise, that CS does more than just kill bacteria
:-)
 
Vince
 
-Original Message-
From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:38 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe: Cataracts  CS/DMSO
 

Charles Sutton   11/24/03 4:30 PM  Wrote:

Eye DR saw small cataracts still even with me using CS + DMSO eye drops
daily.
**
Cataracts are NOT caused by an infection, so that is not an appropiate
test.
look up cataracts ( try Google ) there is a lot to learn,

Jack

Be Nice

RE: CSA comparison website

2003-11-25 Thread Vince Richter

Hi Jack, Are you the list COP today? :)

Vince

-Original Message-
From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSA comparison website

filip.hoe...@pandora.be   11/25/03 7:55 AM  Wrote:

 And for your insulting remarks:
 ---
 communist nation
 I hope you didn't mean Belgium with it. Please check your own first.
 
 Euros, a funny money currency worth more than US Fiat currency?
 There are other currencies on this world, you know. And also other
 languages, ways to do things, ... Surprise!
**
Back off -- you are the guest here






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Re: CSPurple CS

Marshall Dudley   11/25/03 8:03 AM  Wrote:

 That is why I make my CS at just above
 freezing.
**
OK, I could try that if the result
would be a superior brew, but
what kind of increase in time, -
when you have started with room
temperature DW ?

I try for 105º  DW, --
but thats all Kens fault.  :-)

Jack

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Re: CSPurple CS

2003-11-25 Thread Marshall Dudley

You really cannot compare. I am using 10,000 volts AC, and vary the
electrode exposure to get the current I want ( 100 mA).

Marshall

Jack Dayton wrote:

 Marshall Dudley   11/25/03 8:03 AM  Wrote:

  That is why I make my CS at just above
  freezing.
 **
 OK, I could try that if the result
 would be a superior brew, but
 what kind of increase in time, -
 when you have started with room
 temperature DW ?

 I try for 105º  DW, --
 but thats all Kens fault.  :-)

 Jack

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Re: CSA comparison website

2003-11-25 Thread Heidrun Beer

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:32:48 -5, M. G. Devour wrote in 
3fc36810.24056.133c...@localhost:


Jack, *YOU* and Filip are both *MY* guests. Your remarks about his 
country, currency, politics or whatever are entirely unnecessary to the 
discussion of Colloidal Silver, not to mention rude. Our membership 
spans the globe. Get used to it.

Filip, it's customary on this list to discuss your difficulties with 
other people's conduct in private e-mail -- with the offender and/or 
with me as you prefer. My address is at the bottom of every list 
message.


Great moderator job, Mike!


Kindly do not escalate things, men.


How about women? [Ducks and runs for cover]

:-))





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CS[Listowner] Apology, please read...

Greetings list folk,

Well, I made a mistake this afternoon and need to apologize.

I saw Jack responding to a message from Filip in which Filip was 
replying to some remarks Cliff Hume apparently made in an off-list 
communication. I failed to read all the way down in Filip's message to 
the quoted message that was clearly labelled as coming from Cliff, and 
mistakenly assumed that Filip's response was directed at Jack.

Jack, I apologize. My mistake.

You wrote:
 Back off -- you are the guest here

You did take it upon yourself to comment on Filip's behavior, which put 
you in harm's way when I screwed up. I'll remind you and everyone that 
List Cop is my job and to send such remarks to me, privately. 

Filip, you made the faux pas of posting a private communication 
publicly *and* further set me up for this demonstration of dumb 
listowner tricks by not clearly labelling the quoted text embedded in 
your reply as to who wrote it, as follows:

CLIFF HUME wrote:
 Collopidal Silver can be produced for pennies per ounce, what would
 make the silver produced in that communist nation worth thirty-five
 Euros, a funny money currency worth more than US Fiat currency? That is
 something deserving of a little thought. 

If I did read the whole message I'd have caught it, so my fault, but 
the habit of so labelling quoted text will go a long way to prevent 
this kind of confusion on the part of your readers.

I won't comment on Cliff's remarks other than to say that you can write 
anything you want to in private e-mail and it's none of my business --  
unless or until the recipient complains to me. Offline behavior toward 
other list members does count in those circumstances, so Be Nice, as 
Jack would say.

SIGH

Another day, another episode of List Owner Follies. grin

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner (and all that other jazz...)

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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CSWhy the yellow CS - an hypothesis

2003-11-25 Thread Stuff



I can't seem to make anything but yellow CS.  Rather, I don't make it, it 
turns yellow in a coupla

days, no matter where I store it.

The water I'm using measures around .2 (2/10ths) uS using my Hanna pwt 
before production.

I measure my finished batches at around 15-17 uS. (auto-shutoff w/ Silverpuppy)
I think Ode says he can't make yellow CS.

Now compare:

If Ode and the rest of u that don't know how to make yellow CS are STARTING 
with
water that measures 3 or 4 uS, look at the quantitative difference of the 
finished product.

U do the math.

(Pipe right in here, guys, if u know what ur starting with and what the 
finished product

looks like.)

Remember, most units shut off when a given conductivity is reached. It knows
nothing about how much of the water is CS and how much is another conductor.

In comparison, I'm making rocket fuel because the amount of SILVER product is
much higher in mine than in the example immediately above.

Hence, the agglomeration, hence the yellow product.

Ok. What have I missed?

I know a number of solutions. Let's here urs.

Don't bother w/ the obvious about getting dirtier DW.

stuff


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Re: CSRe: using salt- was ceramic purifiers...

2003-11-25 Thread Reid Harvey

Ole Bob,
Thanks for the reassurance, and I do feel a little better about people
using the silver chloride candles.  But the calculation I did indicates
a little under 1.0 ppm per 100 mls. of cold drinking water, and not per
gallon.  I'm going to take some of the filtrate to local labs, testing
for presence of silver, and see what they come up with.

Also, I'm seeing that Microdyn saturated candles probably have a lot
more silver oxide in the filtered water than is the case with silver
chloride for filtrate of the new candles.  The silver chloride
solubility coef. is 0.89 x 10-5, versus, for silver oxide (of one form
or the other ?) 0.0013.  I need to check my numbers again, but even with
this much lower solubility coef., it appears the silver oxide in
filtrate was not detectable.  I think that what has spooked me is that
the coefficients actually permit the calculation, fixing on some tiny
number, even without the lab tests.
Reid


Ole Bob wrote:
  Personally,  I wouldn't hesitate to use that filter for a single
second.
 1 PPM at a gallon a day drinking water ain't diddly squat especially
diluted into what..6-8 quarts of body fluids? ..and there has to be some

sort of elimination rate even for AgCl.
 How much AgCl actually is absorbed into the blood stream from the
digestive tract...all of it,  or very little of it? [I dunno]
 But in this case for this purpose, the digestive tract is where it all
counts.
 Cooking water is boiled.
 Remove disk and go with getting the crud out to boil up clear but
dangerous water and save the disk for when it's needed for drinking
water.
 Plus, with some AgCl floating around  in the tummy with your meals, it
might just get anything that sneaks by even at 1/10 the killing power.
 That might come in handy where there is no refrigeration.
Ode

At 10:01 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Reid Harvey wrote:

 Ode,
 Thanks for all this info.  I woke up struggling with the idea of
 informing people on the methods of saturating AgCl ceramic water
 purifiers.  It's incredibly simple to take a common, ceramic candle
 filter, saturate with silver nitrate, then run water through it.
Then,
 with the silver chloride disinfectant within the ceramic one ends up
 with a *highly effective,* and very inexpensive disinfectant against
 virtually all of the fecal coliform indicators.  The *problem* is
that
 you also get something like 1.0 ppm of silver chloride in the water.

 Of course, we're still working on silver methods that don't add
anything
 to the water.  But in not reporting the AgCl ceramic purifier
wouldn't
 our priorities be askew?  Each and every day, somewhere in the world,

 about 4000 people die of the dehydration caused by dysentery, the
result
 of bacteria contaminated water.  It seems a little crazy to deny them
so
 simple an idea as a silver chloride water filter, just because of a
 remote risk of argyria.

 Can someone suggest whether or not I should tell people about silver
 chloride water filters?  I'm presently very indecisive.

Are those who use the filter dark or light skinned?  I don't believe
dark
skinned people can acquire argyria as easily as light skinned, since
light
is necessary and I don't believe it penetrates sufficiently deep in the

skin. Even so, I am not sure that 1 ppm of silver chloride would cause
it
anyway even in light skinned people.. From what I have read, the
concentrations of silver must be far more than that.

I believe if that low a concentration of silver chloride could cause
argyria, we would all be getting it, since it appears that much of the
ionic
portion of what we all drink becomes silver chloride upon contact with
stomach acid.

If I did tell them I would not call it argyria, they would not know
what
that was. I would only say that extended use could possibly cause
darkening
of the skin for some people and let it go at that.

Marshall




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CSCS - MSM

2003-11-25 Thread Gaston


Anyone that would like to comments to the following would be much
appreciated:

1.- I have been taking one ounce of clear CS (estimate 10-15ppm) , for 
maintenance, every morning approx. one half hour
prior to breakfast, for a few years now without any side effect.

2.- I have been taken also MSM for a few months last year without side effect 
and I stopped.
However, this year I have restarted, taking approx 1 gram of powder
MSM (Methyl-Sulfonyl-Methane), 100% pure along with orange juice. I take this
MSM around 1030hrs (between breakfast and lunch).

I have been taking yearly medical tests, and all tests have been good except 
for the following: The thyroid function
test result (Hormone Thyréotrope(French term)) showed around 4.5 for the last 4 
years. However this year (a month ago)
the same test showed 6.8 and the reference is between 0.27 - 4.20.
I have just redone this particular test last week and my doctor's office says
that it is now up to 10.0

Would anyone suspect that the MSM or CS could be causing this.
I am stopping taking both of them today and see how it will go.

Thanking you.

Gaston




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Re: CSRe: Cataracts CS/DMSO

Vince Richter   11/25/03 10:53 AM  Wrote:

 I do ³know², at least until I learn otherwise, that CS does more than just
kill bacteria J 

Don't forget viruses and fungi.

Jack

Be Nice

Re: CSA comparison website

Vince Richter   11/25/03 10:55 AM  Wrote:

 Hi Jack, Are you the list COP today? :)

Learn to read all of a thread.

My contribution to what you are refering to was:

Back off -- you are the guest here

Jack

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Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus

Sorta-- I found a co. in Texas that charged me $1.29 ea in lots of 144.  Way 
too much!!--but I had booked a weekend show and had no choice.




TJ Garland, CMO supplier
  there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.






From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:35:51 -0600

Were you able to find a supplier of nasal spray bottles?

Dan


Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus

 From: TJ Garland (view other messages by this author)
 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:13:28

I, too, have been making and marketing Xyllergy in 2 oz. bottles for 2

months. It's a .2 m solution of xylitol in 10 ppm CS. Lots of sales. I
gave
this list the formula 60 days ago.

TJ Garland, CMO supplier
   there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.





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Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus

OOPS!!! should have added- 60 ml. bottles.  plenty 30 ml. at 30 cents 
everywhere.




TJ Garland, CMO supplier
  there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.






From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:35:51 -0600

Were you able to find a supplier of nasal spray bottles?

Dan


Re: CSRe CS:Xylitol,CS,H2O2 for sinus

 From: TJ Garland (view other messages by this author)
 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:13:28

I, too, have been making and marketing Xyllergy in 2 oz. bottles for 2

months. It's a .2 m solution of xylitol in 10 ppm CS. Lots of sales. I
gave
this list the formula 60 days ago.

TJ Garland, CMO supplier
   there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.





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Re: CSNasal Spray Bottles