[RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-Schleicher-Ka-6CR-Sailplane-ready-to-fly-glider_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26428QQihZ010QQitemZ200048240344QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW KA-6 full scale for $4500. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much
That's my point. T - Original Message - From: Brian Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much May be someone should tell him this is a 1: 1 model? :) Brian At 4:36 PM -0500 11/16/06, Marc Gellart wrote: The scarey part is that George Voss has the high bid at 107 bucks, that cheap guy is even worse than me, I would at least bid $110 Marc -Original Message- From: John Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 16, 2006 12:35 PM To: Soaring@airage.com, Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much Here's a bunch of deals: http://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm something for every budget... john roe ZR www.roenation.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- -- * Brian Chan, * AFDD Instrumentation Group, US Army Research Support * Ames Research Center, Mail Stop-215-2, * Bldg 215 Room 120 * Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000* 650-604-0389 FAX 650-604-5173 * e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Wanted: Plans for MAD Highlander
I have a new kit and it has instructions and pictures, but they are not to scale. Do you want a copy of the instructions, or are you looking for actual plans? Tom - Original Message - From: td [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: [RCSE] Wanted: Plans for MAD Highlander Please does anyone outthere have a set of plans for the Highlander? would also consider a used/abused Highlander and of course if anyone had a kit they would part withI would be most grateful!!! thanks RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.31/522 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Cumberland
Skip, You bringing your Taborca?? I've had mine finished for over a year and have yet to fly it. Will there be a tow plane there this year? Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Stylus
http://cgi.ebay.com/AIR-TRONICS-TRANSMITTER-STYLUS-GREAT-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ250041842091QQihZ015QQcategoryZ34056QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - Original Message - From: Michael Morjoseph To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: [RCSE] WTB.Stylus GLider-Mem Card Looking for a Stylus 50 Mem Card and a Glider Card for a Friend Let me know what you have and the Price thanks Mike.M Team SWSA No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006
[RCSE] 3 cells or 4?
Getting ready for duration slope flight. Would it be okay to use a 3000 mAh sub C three cell pack instead of a 4 cell pack. 2 Standard servos in Gemini. Could also use Alkaline, or lithium with voltage regulator, but the three cell sub-C fit without modification to plane. Heard that 3 cells last longer than 4. Need some opinions. T RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tow Plane- release system
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/towing.htm - Original Message - From: David Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring listserver soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: [RCSE] Tow Plane- release system I have a friend in Chile that would like to purchase (from a USA vendor) a tow release system for a towplane. Any suggestions? Thanks, Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 1000 W generator $149
http://heartlandamerica.com/ http://heartlandamerica.com/browse/item.asp?product=1000-watt-gas-generatorPIN=33603GUID=51430674-5E55-4236-B37B-F301E5A1B514DL=HWH1 Ran across this and think it would be perfect for keeping contest batteries charged. My Honda 1000 cost $800. Figure at this price you can't go wrong. 1000 w keeps my TV VCR/CD and a couple lights going during power outages also. T
Re: [RCSE] Woody Ladder task with fly off for Wood Crafters 07
Not very ladder like, but should do the trick. The only other thing would be a 10 min flight silent timed (means you have to count in your head and your timer only tells you your time after you land). We've done this before for shorter times and I think Ed Arnauden was within a couple of seconds. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: [RCSE] Woody Ladder task with fly off for Wood Crafters 07 this is what I came up with for a fly off task for those pilots that qualify for the fly off. two rounds.each in a 17 minute window.. of two flights each round: First Round : One 2 minute AMA precision duration task and one 10 minute AMA precision duration task. Pilot calls the flight during the first minute after launch.25 ft. 100 point landing tape. Second Round : One 2 minute AMA precision duration task and one 8 minute AMA precision duration task. Pilot calls the flight during the first minute after launch.25 ft. 100 point landing tape. Ray Hayes SkyBench.com Home of Wood Crafters 07 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction)
That makes a lot of sense. You can try it out at the Woodcrafters next year : ) T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com; soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction) Tom, Maybe a good way to add some more spark to this event and lower the fatigue factor (been there and done that) is the CD could determine a max level of steps or a predetermined cut off and have a fly off of the top five or some number of contestants. Probably base the number to qualify for the fly off on the total number of contestants. what do you think ? Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com To: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction) They had it at Lancaster Woody in August, and some of the pilots were too wiped out to come back and fly the next day for the standard TD. It is a great task, but can be really grueling. I clocked nearly 5 hours of air time to get a 31 min flight. (Object is not to fly 24.5 min of a 25 min flight). Three minute spread would definitely be better. Don't forget to have a required lunch break to keep the pilots from killing themselves. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction) Here is something different for sailplane contests that has a lot of flying time and is all about soaring, although a optional landing task can be included. I prefer the three minute ladder after running the two minute ladder for a couple of years at Wood Crafters RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Spektrum Range Test *********
What speed controller? There have been some problems with some Castle Creations controllers and interference that cuts range. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:53 AM Subject: [RCSE] Spektrum Range Test * Earlier today I was flying my Electric Eclipse. I use brushless motor on my Eclipse, and have a Spektrum radio. I think I was getting glitched when I took it upquite high (I am guessing about 500 feet altitude). Have any RCSE members experienced glitching also with the Spektrum radio system? Cheers ... Tom No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/7/2006
Re: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction)
They had it at Lancaster Woody in August, and some of the pilots were too wiped out to come back and fly the next day for the standard TD. It is a great task, but can be really grueling. I clocked nearly 5 hours of air time to get a 31 min flight. (Object is not to fly 24.5 min of a 25 min flight). Three minute spread would definitely be better. Don't forget to have a required lunch break to keep the pilots from killing themselves. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction) Here is something different for sailplane contests that has a lot of flying time and is all about soaring, although a optional landing task can be included. I prefer the three minute ladder after running the two minute ladder for a couple of years at Wood Crafters RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Muncie - Soaring Masters Final Scores
Look at the age range of the flyoffs. Pretty wide. The old guys can't say it's a young man's sport and the young can't say it's an old guy's sport. - Original Message - From: R/C Soaring Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: [RCSE] Muncie - Soaring Masters Final Scores www.rcsoaring.com Joe RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] WSM Shirts
I'll take a couple as long as they have pockets. T - Original Message - From: George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Ben Wilson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'RCSE' soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] WSM Shirts I'll take 2 shirts myself. gv -Original Message- From: Ben Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:50 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] WSM Shirts One thing I was kinda disappointed with at the WSM's this past weekend was no t-shirts! I love the WSM logo - so maybe someone could make a run of them? I can't be the only one (please) ;) -- ben wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://thelocust.org/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
The contests were definitely more attainable then. My first CASA Opencontest at the Polo Field hadover 100pilots. That wasonly 10 years ago. I got many of my contest points at the monthly CASA contest at Manassas Battlefield. Now findingeven 10 pilots for a monthly contest anywhere in VA is nearly impossible. Winning a monthly club contest was a lot easier than the ESL or a NATS. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast.. In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:06:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine what tasks ECSS would have developed for the weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads of Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. I don't think it would have been all that different - we have certainly not found the established tasks all that daunting! Weak lift? - I logged 1 hour+ thermal flights on each of 12 consecutive summer weekend days back when, just for the fun of it (most with only one launch). I've also beat an hour on an overcast, chilly, and drizzly March day. For many years we (CASA) ran an XC event over a 32 mi course, yes it had tree canyons and tunnels, they go with the territory, they can be overcome (a good spotter/navigator helps). The course also had anearly straight, mostly clear (only one tree canyon),7.5 mile stretch over which several of us got our 10K GR. The Appalachian chain is hardly devoid of slope opportunities, I personally know of4 sites where the 8 hr has been done multiple times. Mostly, it's having the will and commitment to watch the forecasts and GO when the wx is favorable for whatever. BTW, you have a significant error in your LSF history account for which I will post a correction shortly. Good Lift! Skip Schow ECSS/NSS71-71, LSF 166 (V #46) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006
Re: [RCSE] North Jersey was really tough, first round!
First you have Joe's fuse fall out and now your sport tube. There's really something wrong here. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [RCSE] "North Jersey was really tough, first round!" They do a flyiing order thing, that last the day, so you can get caught in a cycle I decided at the start of the Casa event last week that I was going to fly opposite to the big dogs, if they went right off the launch, I was heading left. It cost me, but I had sooo little time on the Perfect that I wanted to force my self to learn it quick. Did the same thing today in that first round, the left was obvious (birds etc), so I went right. Cost me a minute and those guys don't usually give up more than a few seconds. Speaking of second, I also decided not to use a skeg before the Masters, and that cost me both in both events too. Today it cost me a zero when I slid thru the landing spot, refusing to stick any of the landings. The second to last round (5 rounds of 8mins) the leaders took a HUGE air time hit, and that left the door open for me to seek up somebut Chuck Crobinet, was too steady all day long with his Supra (at least 4 were flying today, (easily the most popular ship of this season), so he earned his "I Beat Gordy Button!" and left me the bridesmaid again! ;-) I ended the day of fun flying with a crack in my Perfect's lower rudder hinge and a split seam in the tail boomyep i was practicing Mark Smithboinkfor time, then hit the spot for points. I got two perfect attempts right off the bat but the third one got away from me and I came to the spot too hot and the wing bumped my thigh and torque the fuse pretty well and it spun around to doink the rudder a bit. Mostly cosmetic but a that's what I get for goofing around with a beauty ship. I dropped Joe Melchior at his Mooney, and proceeded to drive away, little did I realize that the milk carton of metal parts knocked my tailgate open, it and my Sportube blew out and I didn't notice till I was about 30miles away! I went all the way back and there they were, parked on the grass next to the driveway...very busy area too! Too much drama for the end of the day and only about 3 hours of driving to get to my next beach! Gordy No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006
Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion
Jeff, Good to hear positive input. I like the first one. But more realistically 9 am to 3 pm or anytime, any day, dawn to dusk (6 flights in a row no less than 30 min apart - 3 sec off and 90+). More like open winch. MOM would take into consideration the actual air, so this is a pretty tough task. Don't forget, you need 3 of these for V. It's more a matter of finding witnesses for an 8 hour day. 3 to 4 hours might be possible. It is something that takes commitment and yet can be done most places as long as witnesses could be non LSF. Might be able to get some of the younger pilots to hang out as witnesses if the age were reduced to 16. Will take a lot of weekends to accomplish, but at least there's no travel expenses. This is probably tougher than winning a real contest or MOM contest, but you can do it every week for a couple years. T I'll keep on-line records for any individual or group, formal or informal, that want to give this a test try. Honor system is fine as long as you have a timer. Too easy to be off timing yourself. I usually fly alone, but can get a non-flying timer person or family member. Having an on line group to compare skills with is at least some way to know where you stand. I'll set up a site and let you know when it is done. Just email me here if you want to sign up. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dharban [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion I am sorry but in the ESL the point off max can be as little 40 points for an entire contest. I'll assume the same occurs at other contest where top notch pilots frequent. It doesn't happen everywhere, but it does happen more than you think. 5.5 feet won't put you in the top 3... probably not in the top 10. Look, if you made the task something like Saturday or Sunday from 8 am to 5 pm you must have one 10 minute flight with an L4 landing of 90 or better once every hour, with only one attempt an hour. Sun - Wed if you started on Saturday. or Monday - Thurs if you started Sun go out at the same time each daybetween 8-10 am or 5-7pm and put in one 10 minute flight with L4 landing of 90 or better with only one attempt Time of perfect allowed 3 seconds. Once you choose the time to go out you must keep that time for each daily attempt. You must fly the attempt each following day. That would be a serious attempt... Why the comittment is there, the task is quite tough, since you MUST find air each time, and must land each time. The pressure is off from a contest perspective. You aren't guaranteed good air .. by having this you have simulated the difficulty a contest pilot has in that he can't choose his air... he has to fly This is only a thought... but in reality I am sure someone will figure out where I have erred... But 3 in 1 hour is easy...BTW you'll be surprised how easy it is to hit the 10:00. I've got to say that doing it in a contest is still more challenging, and fun. dharban wrote: \I DON'T GET THE 3 FLIGHTS IN 1 HOUR. THE LSF PROHIBITS THE TD PARTS FROM OCCURRING IN THE SAME DAY FOR A SIMILAR REASON, THE AIR CAN BE GREAT AND A 1 HOUR TIME FRAME SIMPLY MEANS YOU CAN BE FLYING IN GREAT AIR. THAT'S NOT HARD!!!. IF THE AIR IS GOOD IT IS EASY. ALSO LANDING ON AN L4 TAPE WITHOUT THE NERVES OF COMPETITION IS EASY. SO 3 FLIGHTS WITH LANDINGS IN 1 HOUR TO ME ARE QUITE EASY AND DON'T REPRESENT A CHALLENGE.\ I've stated elsewhere that there is no exact equivalent to competition. This alternative proposal is simply that. For those who want the precise challenge of competition there is only one way to get it. The three flights constitute one task. This task must be repeated six times on separate days. The air can be great all day long or it can cycle through every few minutes or anything in between. Another comment on this thread voiced your same concern. If the powers that be believe that lift is likely to be more or less uniform during the one hour period, the requirement can be for three flights to be flown at some other *specified* interval. The point here is to require the pilot to fly in air and at times not of his choosing -- more or less like competition. If you think the task is easy, demonstrate it to yourself by going out and flying the task six times with a 2350 score each time. (50 points from perfection -- I have researched as best I can the kind of scores that win the bigger competitions around the country and I believe a 2350 in this event will put you in the money most of the time -- if I am wrong, please correct me). Let me know when your tasks done -- if you can stand the boredom :) I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THAT AS A VALID SET OF CHALLENGES. TO ME THIS IS A WATERED DOWN ACHEIVEMENT PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T CHALLENGE ANYONE EXCEPT FOR THE 8 HOUR SLOPE. I'M NOT IMPRESSED. If this should be the final form of the
Re: [RCSE] New Soaring Program Discussion
Okay - Original Message - From: Jay Hunter To: CapnCrunchie Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion update If its not about changing the LSF, then the title of the discussions should be "New Soaring Program" not "LSF Discussion". I think that will bring focus to the discussion fia seperate class is what is truly desired. Jay On 9/14/06, CapnCrunchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the late commers of this conversation who keep on pipinging in onwhy change the LSF program... No one wants to change anything !!! OK? The LSF Level 1 - 5 is what it is and always shall be! It's sacred. Your levelV want be belittled. Some people would ust likean additional seperate program/task that is more suitable to there locale/financial/family circumstances. Get it? Nobody wants to changeanything - only add on. Seems like the people that can afford a quiver full of moldies don't want the wood workers to have anything to work for. BTW, what is thewebsite of that Canadian LSF-type program? I want to check into something that I can complete with my wood airplane.After all, there are still people who actually build their ships - like they used to do when the LSF was created More power to the Woodcrafters! Blue skies, Capn Crunchie Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 9/13/2006
[RCSE] New Individual Contest challenge
Okay, I've set up a new ICF (Individual Contest Format). I will pay for it, administer it and keep track of it for now. I am offering awards and recognition for achievement. Let's see everyone put their flying where their mouth is. Let's see who will be first to turn in a perfect score. Link is: http://adesigner.com/brass click on ICF at bottom of page I will make corrections if I've made some errors in set up, or math, but WILL NOT change the format. It's a lot tougher than it looks, but not so tough that it can't be achieved. It is for the sake of having fun and showing what you can do in a contest type format. It is set up for those who can't get to contests, or who just need some structure to practice for the next contest. Has nothing to do with LSF, ECSS, CSS, PQRS or any other existing program. I figure someone has to actually DO something instead of talking about it, so support me on this and sign up and lets see how you rate against the competition. Please forward this to RC Groups or any other place you think will be interested. If you don't like it, please don't comment, just don't sign up. I will be posting all attempts that are sent to me, from novice or expert alike. It is what it is and not supposed to be anything else. Tom (I will be fancying up the site over time, so be patient. The basics are there) Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF format Discussion
Sounds pretty good. I would like to see any witness over 21 for I- III and two for IV and V with at least one being AMA registered. This is very important to those in small or power clubs. Also, since the tasks are basically the same, if you have already completed them, you may try for your next level based on these options and do not have to start over. EG if you are level III now you can complete IV with these options. Since options have always been a part of the achievements (ie slope/td), this is nothing really new. If you are able to complete the new contest format, you will have had a lot of practice and if you were able to travel extensively you could get the win in either format. As you say, laws have changed making it difficult for many to do the cross country Legally. Can't have LSF promoting illegal activity. However, I think the requirement should include that you must also travel the closed course. That means in a vehicle or on foot. You cannot just stand in one place. That would mean traveling your field boundaries if the course exceeded your field size. Or if on the road, the full course. I can't find anywhere here to do the 10 K in a straight out and back (or even a crooked one), but can find numerous areas where a large lap could be done of four 2.5 K runs. I will gladly supply award certificates to the existing LSF V's that say LSF V MASTER to anyone who feels this somehow takes away from their achievements. I see nothing Sportsman Level about the revisions to the program and would suggest that LSF seriously consider the options be included in the current program and that it be adopted and the only program, since these are options and doesn't change the intent or level of difficulty. It merely addresses today's environment. The points for the contest format should be able to be determined by the LSF secretary by looking at the average winning scores for the last 10 or so LSF level achievers or just checking a number of local and regional contests with 20 or more to see what the general win average is. If the average is around 100 points off max, then three rounds in one hour totally 2900 might be reasonable. (or whatever the average turns out). Average means if 10 rounds were flown with total being 200 points off max, then the average would be 20 off max. Determining this number will probably be the toughest task. You will likely find a big difference between the ones who got the win at a monthly club contest and those that got them at larger regional or national contests. You would also likely find that the scores many years ago were way further from max then the scores of today. Difference between a Paragon and an Icon. TB - Original Message - From: dharban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [RCSE] LSF Discussion I don't know whether the people on this RCSE thread are reading the corresponding thread or not so I am reposting a message I have on that thread in this forum. Before everyone loads up to shoot, please understand that these thoughts are offered not as definitive but more as illustrative of what might be done with regard to an alternative path. The posting includes a paper discussing evaluating achievement award tasks based on skill requirements and an illustrative proposal as to one way an alternative program might be structured: A proposal regarding tasks and skills. This is partly a rehash of a previous communication -- revised to illustrate one way a Sportsman track Achievement Award program could be structured. The objectives in this proposal are: 1. Mitigate the problems participants would have with regard to the logistics and/or other difficulties required to complete the existing LSF Competition Tasks. 2. Mitigate the problems participants have with respect to Goal and Return tasks -- specifically the unsuitablility of this event for people who live in densely populated areas, areas where it is unsafe and/or illegal to fulfill the requirements of the task (most places it is illegal to ride in the bed of a moving pickup truck and illegal for passengers to not use their seatbelts -- thereby making operation of a transmitter through an open sunroof problematic.) 3. To encourage some level of participation in group activities which advance the sport. 4. To be mostly achievable with typical club at a typical club site. 5. To devise an alternative program where the challenge at any level is comparable (+/_ to its existing LSF equivalent. 6. To complement and augment the existing LSF program. Level I -- Exactly identical to current Level I tasks Level II -- Exactly identical to current Level II tasks (I realize this has a competition element, but it is easily achieveable at most club sites and is consistent with objective 3 above. Level III -- Identical with current Level III Thermal Duration and Slope tasks. Goal and Return is
Re: [RCSE] LSF format Discussion
Jim, I would think there would be some way to gather enough information to set up a fair point system and not let it bog down what seems to be a reasonable and needed revision. Tom - Original Message - From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com; RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF format Discussion Tom, I can assure you that, while the LSF does keep an accurate database, the Secretary does not receive nor record the level of information required for the interesting analysis that you suggest. Jim Deck -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Jeff, You aren't the only one who gets this mixed up. The easiest way is to remove the [RCSE] from any private emails. Lot easier to distinguish. I can't tell it's private most of the time when it has the exchange title on it. Tom - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Woebkenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Damn I did it again. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that this was private. I thought I hit reply instead of reply all, so I added RCSE back. This IS a public apology for going public on something that should have been private. And for everyone out there Please put PRIVATE on the TOP line of your email if you want it to remain that way when responding to RCSE mail. It would make it easier. When mail comes in from [RCSE] sometimes I get used to thinking this is a post from the group, I don't always look at the TO: to see if it was from RCSE as well. But no excuses... Again Sorry Ryan. Ryan Woebkenberg wrote: P.S., thanks for responding to a private email in a public forum that I don't subscribe to. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Credo
I'm in support of ANYTHING that furthers or promotes the sport. I will still finish my LSF in the old way, new way, anyway - doesn't matter. I will participate in any new task format LSF or not. I will not discourage anyone from trying new ideas. I will not attack them for trying to present new ideas. All the tasks help make one a better pilot (maybe the 8 hr slope also teaches bladder control). I do wish I had someone down here to fly with and share it all with, but that just isn't how it is right now. Looking forward to something new, new options, new formats, tasks, whatever. Would like something that would let me do it here with just regular people as witnesses, like the Canadian Soaring Tasks. Heck, Doug Barry is trying to do his second LSF V thing only flying an AVA. Already did a 10K XC with it. Contests will be a lot tougher, since there just aren't the numbers anymore, but I bet he doesn't give up. I watched a neat movie on the World's fastest Indian (Burt Munro a NZ motorcyclist who had to travel to Bonneville to have a place to set the record). If that's what it takes, there are some who will do it. T - Original Message - From: Bob Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'rcse' Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF Discussion At no point in my post did I suggest or imply that the current LSF Level 1 be replaced; I merely asked if the list of tasks posted was perceived to be as difficult as the current LSF Level 1. I never have nor will I ever suggest or propose the replacement and/or modification of the current LSF Level 1 or any other part of the current LSF program. Regards, Bob Johnson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion
I though the idea of XC was to travel. If you aren't going cross country you aren't doing cross country. I figured if you can't take a golf cart, truck or some vehicle, you could walk it. (no it would not be easy). I guess instead of XC you could call it an option to an XC task. Like slope is to thermal now. To stay in one place is more like a thermal task. Any way you want to propose it is okay with me. I'll still participate. Tom - Original Message - From: dharban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion Tom Broeski Wrote: As you say, laws have changed making it difficult for many to do the cross country Legally. Can't have LSF promoting illegal activity. However, I think the requirement should include that you must also travel the closed course. That means in a vehicle or on foot. You cannot just stand in one place. That would mean traveling your field boundaries if the course exceeded your field size. Or if on the road, the full course. I can't find anywhere here to do the 10 K in a straight out and back (or even a crooked one), but can find numerous areas where a large lap could be done of four 2.5 K runs. It is not entirely clear to me that the benefits of being required to travel a closed course outweigh the possible unintenced consequences. As it stands now, the accepted practice for the Level IV and Level V Goal and Return usually (but not always) involves the use of a vehicle with a driver and a spotter -- presumably your two witnesses. This requires the aspirant to arrange for transportation, arrange for a driver and a spotter and to determine a course -- these are the logistics of the task. The aspirant is not required to walk the course, rather he remains in more or less a fixed relationship with the plane he is flying regardless of the length of the task. This relationship is more or less consistent with the relationship the he would have in the proposed alternative. The proposed alternative requires the aspirant to arrange a gate or equivalent system to ensure that the flight is measured properly and to arrange for people to man the gates (again presumably his witnesses) -- these are the logistics of the revised task. You are suggesting that in order to complete the goal and return task that the aspirant and a spotter walk the entire distance. This adds a degree of physical exertion which is not present in any other soaring endeavor -- not just LSF. Perhaps its your intent to include this as a barrier to separate the sheep from the goats. Respectfully, I am an old goat and adding a 12 mile hike to this task is problematic-- especially in the middle of the kind of hot day when success at this task is most likely (our hot days are 100 degrees+ and humid). Further, not everyone flies on a sod farm like I do. Walking even two-and-a-half miles in a wild field while trying to keep your plane in sight is more of an acrobatic feat than an aeronautical feat. Remember, the median age in our sport is 55+ and if you've ever looked at a pictures from current sailplane events there are quite a few guys who look like the only push-ups they do are pushing away from the dinner table. (perhaps we could add an overall task alternative which posthumously awards the aspirant's last level in the event that he dies trying :) Don -- dharban dharban's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=31927 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567627 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Credo
I'm in support of ANYTHING that furthers or promotes the sport. I will still finish my LSF in the old way, new way, anyway - doesn't matter. I will participate in any new task format LSF or not. I will not discourage anyone from trying new ideas. I will not attack them for trying to present new ideas. All the tasks help make one a better pilot (maybe the 8 hr slope also teaches bladder control). I do wish I had someone down here to fly with and share it all with, but that just isn't how it is right now. Looking forward to something new, new options, new formats, tasks, whatever. Would like something that would let me do it here with just regular people as witnesses, like the Canadian Soaring Tasks. Heck, Doug Barry is trying to do his second LSF V thing only flying an AVA. Already did an XC with it. Contests will be a lot tougher, since there just aren't the numbers anymore, but I bet he doesn't give up. I watched a neat movie on the World's fastest Indian (Burt Munro a NZ motorcyclist who had to travel to Bonneville to have a place to set the record). If that's what it takes, there are some who will do it. But there's still room for the soapbox derby. T - Original Message - - Original Message - From: dharban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion Not to mention that it's entirely likely that some legs might be flown in a straight line at speeds in excess of 20-25 mph. When I was young I was quick, but I never broke a one minute quarter mile+. Even on a cool day a person might break a sweat chasing down a sailplane in this task :) -- dharban dharban's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=31927 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567627 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: JD
It really sounds like witness protection where nobody knows, not even family, where you are at. I will let you know if I see him next time I'm in Tahiti. We too really miss him. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mderstine Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Covering Obeche over white foam Wow, still no word about John's whereabouts. Very wierd thing to say the least. I feel for you and your family Melissa. Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Re: Covering Obeche over white foam From: mderstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, September 13, 2006 7:05 am To: soaring@airage.com Just doing my periodical search on this site for John Derstine. There has been no new news since last February and we're not expecting much these days, it's almost been a year since he disappeared. As upset, angry or hurt as we may be I appreciate everyone keeping a respectful mindset and for anyone who doesn't it is truely a shame. Melissa Derstine -- mderstine mderstine's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=80219 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=498643 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Starting to get it, and a few questions...
If those are actually serious answers, then is there a competitive HL person who can provide another answer to question 1 and 3. 4.0 is way too low. - Original Message - From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Starting to get it, and a few questions... At 10:57 PM 9/11/2006, Jay Hunter wrote: Ok, now the questions... 1. To the competitive pilots, how often do you practice a week? 1 day a week for an hour? several times a week? How long are your sessions? Practice is over-rated. 2. How often does the wind change during a flying session? It seems the wind changes by 45 degrees every 10-15 minutes. Most of my flying sites are surrounded by trees. That's your thermal cycle. The largest thermals are moving through and moving the air. 3. In a 2 servo plane how low do you allow the voltage go in a 4 cell pack? Why measure, jut wait until it gets sluggish. (About 4.0 volts) I try to base my battery life on flight time. :-) We are only talking 2 channel Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/443 - Release Date: 9/11/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Ideas
It's amazing how many people spend so much energy attacking anyone with a new idea. Finding every possible way to crush it. If the same energy were spent in helping the person turn the idea into something workable, even if not the norm, there might at least be a few more people trying to help the sport instead of giving up out of frustration and disappointment. If you can't find a way to help don't put walls up in the way of those that are willing to try. Heck, in my business, when someone comes to me with an idea, I can often see that it won't work very well. My job is to sit down and work with them to figure out HOW to make it work, not just tell them to forget it. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, at least they tried. I don't know who Tom (Liberator on RC groups is), but he has my support to try anything that will help the sport of soaring. Keep the LSF current program and try something new -- can't hurt. T I don't know who came up with the retriever cart at CRRC, but if that was shot down instead of a group working to engineer it and get it working nearly flawlessly, they'd still be shagging chutes by hand or be spending a lot on fancy retrievers. They figured out a way to work together. A little note on status quo: We bought a farm in VA and there was a toilet in the house but it was not connected. The farmer said that it came when he had the house built, but he only used the outhouse. It was good enough for his father and like his father always said it makes no sense to s--t inside the house. Well, I connected up the toilet since my father wouldn't have minded. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion Contests
I love competition. However, unless you live near a big club, there's little chance to find contests with 20 people +. The idea of developing skills and enjoying the sport is the most important aspect in my opinion. If there's no way to do the competition circuit unless you are very well off, it keeps a lot of flyer's from doing any tasks. I believe it is important to attend some contests for the experience and comradery, but not have to win some with 20+ people. Newbies are the most affected by the expense of going to far away contests. Those that have the luxury of monthly contests and/or can afford to attend contests are the ones who tend to support this aspect. I signed up a number of LSF flyers (5 or 6 at least) and all but one got stopped by the competition aspect (he moved away to a bigger city closer to the competitions and is doing very well). This part was great in the early days of larger clubs, but with the difficulty of even keeping a club going, the level of competition required for LSF is more than daunting. It pretty much eliminates the smaller clubs with only a few members. I think having just an attendance requirement of 3 or 4 contests with 10 or more over the course of the levels will provide the experience of contests without limiting it to just the rich and infamous. Another tough aspect of LSF is the requirement to have LSF witnesses. It's basically impossible in my neck of the woods at this time. I don't see any problem with LSF changing with the times, if those that are in the 121 are kept separate and recognized for their super achievement. Having two types of goals you can select for LSF (TD no contests, 21 or older AMA witnesses) and the existing one might open it up for a good many flyers. I know it would help the many hundreds that signed up but stopped because of contests. I doubt that it would be that difficult to have two different sets of task sheets within the existing LSF. Jim Deck If someone wants to set up another achievement program, I will gladly participate and still work on my LSF V in the current format. I will also volunteer to help Tom, Larry, Bill and Steve work out the details of an additional set of goals based on the needs and resources of the smaller clubs. IMHO TB - Original Message - From: Rick Eckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chip Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'James V. Bacus' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'RCSE' soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF discussion I would disagree. Jim may have not caught every post and didn't catch the disclaimers. It wasn't the originators intent to bash LSF. And I didn't see any bashing from the originator - perhaps a few of the other posts went that way but generally it was a pretty even discussion. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Taborca
Anyone actually flying one of these? Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Need Brass Rudder Horn for Supra
You can use the Hobby Lobby low drag control horn. I got 4 of the same servo bay covers instead of two left and two right. Anyone else have 4 with the bump on the lower right? Will trade two for two. Tom - Original Message - From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Cc: Barry Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [RCSE] Need Brass Rudder Horn for Supra Hi Guys, I am in need of a brass control horn for the rudder on my Supra. My bag of small parts came open in shipment, and luckily that was the only piece I came up missing. If anyone has one or knows where I might be able to get one please let me know. I am sending a request to Barry Kennedy as well just in case he has extras. Thanks, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Blue Ridge Slope sites
http://www.virtualblueridge.com/parkway_tour/overlooks.asp Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] CASA unlimited
It's North East VA below DC. T - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rcse soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: [RCSE] CASA unlimited BTW the CASA contest is Western VA about an hour west of Washington... This means that it is not a bad trip from OH, TN, KY or the Carolinas... or Northern GA We have had OH and TN, and KY guys show up in the past. So guys take a look at it on the map, and register. http://www.flyesl.com/ -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] CASA unlimited Sept
I noticed that Paul Bell is bringing both of himself. T - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ESL [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rcse soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: [RCSE] CASA unlimited Sept Guys the CASA unlimited soaring event on Sept 9th and 10th is taking registrations. Goto http://www.flyesl.com/ to register. This is a great event. Frank Thompson hosts this on his airfield/ horse farm. Lift is usually abundant, and a catered dinner is held afterwards. This man is a wonderful host, the conditions have been outstanding for quite a number of years. Frank's hanger is usually stocked with planes and ultra lights. So it is the social event of the season for the ESL. Come on , compete, or just socialize... either way you do it.. it's a great event. Info and registration are on the website http://www.flyesl.com/ -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Neat article
http://www.airbum.com/articles/ArticleWACOGliderCG-4A.html Tom Broeski32 Mount View DrAfton, VA 22920540 943-3356fx 943-4178
Re: [RCSE] CRRC DLG Clinic Photos
Phil gains 20 ft with the tongue action. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: [RCSE] CRRC DLG Clinic Photos Hi All, I took a few photos at the DLG Clinic put on by Mark Drela and the CRRC. And maybe a little help from a special guest. Check Out: http://www.dvetter.com/WebAlbums/2006_07_15_CRRC_DLG I like: http://www.dvetter.com/WebAlbums/2006_07_15_CRRC_DLG/slides/_MG_8038.html Thermals, Don RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] HLG battery packs
I can make you up some 250 mAh packs. These are 1/2 AAA and will fit just about any HL. I can sell them to you for $11 each (+ $4.05 ship) with plugs (min 2 packs). I also have some 350 mAh cells with tabs for $3.20 each. These really nice and are 1/3 AA. Denny Maize at Polecat Aero also has some slightly larger sized packs in a nice configuration. Tom Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 - Original Message - From: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Yahoo Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: [RCSE] HLG battery packs Greetings! I just dug my HLG out after a seriously long hiatus and wonder what the latest and greatest technology is out there for small/light battery packs these days. Can anyone point me at a good source for such a battery pack? (I usually go to Batteries America and their web page is acting really funny and unusable...strange.) Thanks, Bill --- It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life.B. Baggins Bill Johns Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS Scores Posted
Shameful plug : ) How did you do last year? T - Original Message - From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: [RCSE] OVSS Scores Posted OVSS scores are updated from the Mid South, head to the MVSA website and check it out. http://www.mvsaclub.com/ovss/ovss06.htm Marc Gellart RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] First RC model
by a USA citizen you purchased. What if you don't want to purchase a US Citizen, just the plane? T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] First RC model Wood Crafters 07 will include a modified Nostalgia class, see the changes below. This has not been posted to the Wood Crafters page yet.Happy and safe 4th to everyone. Wood Crafters is dedicated to perpetuating the model builder, not the model buyer. If you didn't build it, you can't fly it, with the following exceptions: A one off built in the continental USA by a USA citizen you purchased. Construction rule: a.. All flying surfaces are built up from wood. b.. No restriction on spar construction or materials. c.. No Molded D-Tube leading edge construction. d.. Fuselage can be wood, glassed wood or molded Fiberglass. ___ Wood Crafters 07 Championship Contest will include a modified Nostalgia Class and 2M unl, RES 100, RES unl and Unlimited classes. Changes to the AMA Nostalgia rules include: * two size classes, 100 inch or less and unl. * Cutoff date moved forward to March 1981. * Signed declaration replaces kitted or published rule. The Wood Crafters Reunion will include: * Fun fly. * MOM launched by hi start for One of a Kind contest featuring the Gulf Coaster. * Cu Max also known as three for fifteen. * Ladder, three minute. _ Scale Aerotow all four days, beautiful woody scale at it's best. Ray Hayes Sky Bench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] First RC model In a message dated 7/3/2006 7:28:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Keeper of the (Nostalgia) rules...what is your take on this positive subject??? Keeper of the rules is now the AMA Competitions/Technical Department, since Nostalgia became a rule book event in 2005. Change proposals may be submitted just as for any other rule book event for consideration/vote by the RC Soaring Contest Board, in accordance with the Contest Board Procedures found in the Competitions section of the AMA website (along with THE current version of the rule book - the last one to be printed/mailed out was the 2002-2004 edition). We are just completing a (revised 2 year - it used to be 3 year) rule change cycle for changes to be effective beginning Jan 2007. No change proposals for the Nostalgia event were submitted this last cycle. The next opportunity to submit changes will be 15 Jan - 15 Sep 2007, for possible implementation in Jan 2009. If enough people care enough to develop/submit desirable change proposals and more people further advise their respective AMA District Contest Board representatives they want those proposals favorably voted, changes will happen. If not, it's same-old, same-old! (and it's not the fault of AMA Hq, rules and changes thereto originate with the membership) The CD of a specific contest event may modify the existing official rules for that event (if the deviations are clearly spelled out in the sanction application and in event publicity), likewise for informal club events (obviously, deviations must not compromise safety) . This is a very good way to test the merits of potential changes/new rules before developing formal change proposals and the supporting rationale. Good Lift! Skip Schow AMA 143 (LM, CD), LSF 166 (V #46), Distr IV Rep. Chrmn RC Soaring Contest Board RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 7/3/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] XP 4.5 wing length
I just finished building the XP- 4.5 and expected it to be less than 1.5 meters. The wing is 59.525" long. Isn't 59" the max on a HL? Tom Tom Broeski32 Mount View DrAfton, VA 22920540 943-3356fx 943-4178
Re: [RCSE] XP 4.5 wing length
It is built and measurement is from top tip to top tip spanwise. T - Original Message - From: Zb. Michalczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] XP 4.5 wing length Tom If you consider dihedral it might be on the spot for 4 degrees on ech side cos ( 2X4degrees) X 59.525 = 58.945 1.5m is 59.055. Zbigniew Michalczyk The Soaring Little Fleet of Poland www.LittleSoaringFleet.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2qbfc/ - Original Message - From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: [RCSE] XP 4.5 wing length I just finished building the XP- 4.5 and expected it to be less than 1.5 meters. The wing is 59.525 long. Isn't 59 the max on a HL? Tom Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] XP 4.5 wing length not Phil's
I got both wings at the same time and Phil's (XP-4 wing) is just fine. The 4.5 panel is 29 11/16 long It would take a lot of dihedral to get it to work. I did not think to check it, since I didn't expect it to be that much difference in length. Tom - Original Message - From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] XP 4.5 wing length - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grab your razor saw (they do have a WS gauge at the Nats IIRC) - send nasty msg to Phil Denny! The only contests that I know of that measure wings that closely are the NATS and Poway (IHLGF). Also: I DO NOT make XP4.5 wings. The jig that I use to cut XP4 wings is calibrated nicely, Thank you. Phil (Maker of XP4 wings) Barnes RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Borrow/Rent/Steal - maybe even purchase
Then there should be a lot of people willing to let Daryl fly theirs. : ) I should have two Mantis and one Makis with me. T - Original Message - From: Phil Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Borrow/Rent/Steal - maybe even purchase FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS FLY 2 METERS Bozo RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 220 nimh battery source
Looking for a source for 1/2 AAA nimh HL battery packs Got last ones from Mike Richter at Dream Flight, but he's building a new shop and I don't see them on his site anymore. Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 220 nimh battery source
He doesn't make them anymore. - Original Message - From: Craig Greening To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: [RCSE] 220 nimh battery source Tom, Steve at no BS batteries (www.hangtimes.com) has 370mAh 1/2AAA NiMH cells/batteries. Craig. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006
Re: [RCSE] **Wanted** Sharon Pro Nose Skeg
I'll do it for $449.99 and free shipping. : ) Next bid T - Original Message - From: Flying High [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Morjoseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]; exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] **Wanted** Sharon Pro Nose Skeg I'll be glad to make you a custom set for $450 plus material, take 2 weeks to make a good set... --- Michael Morjoseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am Looking for a Nose Skeg and maybe a Flap Skeg for a Sharon Pro if you have a nice set or maybe a Nose Skeg which fits the Sharon Pro Please..Email me thanks .. Michael.M So Cal.. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] MidSouth, Apparently a Catch 22 Theme Developing!
Gordy, Didn'twe hear that this is the "greatest" field in Louisville. Now you're leaking some news about no-fly zones? I've heard about this "timer and flyer" zero stuff. The timer can "suggest" things to the pilot, but has no control over what the pilot does. Does anyone know of an actual event where a timer was penalized for the actions of the pilot? : ) When have you ever listened to a timer? T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: [RCSE] "MidSouth, Apparently a Catch 22 Theme Developing!" Okay so now I have heard that the only way you can get Time points is to fly in the no-fly zones, however IF you get caught by the CD flying in a no-fly zone, you and your timer will get a zero for that round. Not that big of a feat for some pilots I have flown with, but there are no no-fly zones at MidSouth's field. I think I can actually win this one ! Better get signed up... unless you want me to get a free LSF5 win :-)Gordy No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.3/374 - Release Date: 6/23/2006
Re: [RCSE] MidSouth, Apparently a Catch 22 Theme Developing!
Isn't it as long as you don't hit anything (except Gordy of course)all is fair? T - Original Message - From: Johnny Berlin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "MidSouth, Apparently a Catch 22 Theme Developing!" Does that mean I can fly UNDER the canopys on landings ? Johnny - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "MidSouth, Apparently a Catch 22 Theme Developing!" but there are no no-fly zones at MidSouth's field :-) Just had to read the fine print ;-) Gordy No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.3/374 - Release Date: 6/23/2006
Re: [RCSE] Silicone
Silicone II is the worst caulk I've ever used. (I got it free after rebate at HD) I used it on my house in some places, and it took forever to cure, did not smooth out well and was not very good. I had to pull it all out. It came off easily in one long strip. I went back to good old acrylic caulk and standard silicone. I use goop for my servos. In planes with the servo area reinforced, I just put packing tape around them, sand the tape a bit, put a dollop of marine goop on and wiggle it in place. Great on carbon and glass, but not for foam. For that, I just tape up the servo and use two part liquid foam. A little goes a long way. Great for holding control rods in the fuse also. You can get some at BP (Balsa Products) http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=V907984pid=U221687 Tom - Original Message - From: Robert Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: [RCSE] Silicone The reason I used Silicone II is that it does not release acetic acid when it cures. However it does not seem to cure for me. I remember reading here that the Silicone II was ok for servos. Anyone have a solution for the problem I'm encountering? I now know not to do what I did, but I did it and now I need a remedy. Hlp! Robert Samuels ... St. Louis _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Source of Ducks
Can't fly that one in 2 meter T - Original Message - From: Johnny Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cal Posthuma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Source of Ducks I have a older 100 inch one I would be will to part with. 3021 balsa sheeted. I can bring it to the Mid South or the Nats for any one intersted. BTW my 2 meters are NOT for sail Johnny and Butch - Original Message - From: Cal Posthuma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: [RCSE] Source of Ducks I believe Larry Storie is making complete V tail Ducks, Troy Lawicki will sell cores and fuslages, used can be had just put out a call. Email Harry DeBoer as he has one I know of. I may sell one at the Nats. I know where an older but very good 3021 version is. I hae heard a lot of talk and complaing but no solid looking or offers. Nats should be a showcase not 7 days of Unlimited. Cal RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] ESL's alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://gmocart4.gmotion.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=TWB-30Category_Code=twine_whitebraidedseineStore_Code=memnet_fishing They can overnight it. Get a case for ESL. I have two spools, but won't be able to make the contest. I can priority mail it if you can't get any from Memphis. Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: [RCSE] ESL's alert!! We need winch line! If you have any contact CD at 718 767 1369 asap. John Hauff, cd No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a 2-M
That could open up a day for XC every year instead of every two. Tired eyes can see a big plane T - Original Message - From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Louis J. Glaab [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a 2-M Can't find One? Another reason to can the event.LOL -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to my world. At 10:24 AM 6/21/2006, Louis J. Glaab wrote: Good afternoon, Against my better judgement, I am registered for 2-M at the NATS. I would like to get a gently used 2-M Mantis or something like that (loan, rent, buy). Anyone? Thanks, Josh. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Wanted Landing Skegs for Sharon + Wing Bag
You can make a nice one like this: http://www.adesigner.com/brass/images/Supra/wildskeg.htm You can get some quilted fabric at the fabric store and make a nice wing bag. http://www.adesigner.com/brass/images/Supra/bags3.jpg Tom - Original Message - From: Michael Morjoseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:31 AM Subject: [RCSE] Wanted Landing Skegs for Sharon + Wing Bag I am Looking for a Set of Landing Skegs for a Sharon also a Nice Wing Bag to put the Wings into would be nice .. Thanks Mike.M Team SWSA So Cal RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Landing Skegs
CST http://www.cstsales.com/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Landing Skegs In a message dated 6/19/2006 5:02:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can make a nice one like this: http://www.adesigner.com/brass/images/Supra/wildskeg.htm Good instructions. Where do I get the carbon sock material? Don Richmond San Diego, CA (Virginia Beach, VA today) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hilaunch.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Canopy Polish
I would not use Stahlfix on clear acrylic. Great for fiberglass, but way too abrasive for plexi. Get a good plexi polish or Plexus Plexiglass Polish. (put it in a search engine for places to buy it) Tom - Original Message - From: Robert (Bob) P. Andris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: [RCSE] Canopy Polish Need some help. Lost my web site reference for Stahfix full-size sailplane canopy polish. I need to order some - does anyone else still have the reference? Many Thanks, Bob Robert P. Andris 12155 Terrence Ave. Saratoga, CA 95070 USA (408) 252-5469 [EMAIL PROTECTED] LSF 004, AMA 5055 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Okay Canada, here's a challenge! MidSouth
That $12.50 a night place behind the gas station isn't much better than camping. - Original Message - From: S Meyer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] "Okay Canada, here's a challenge! MidSouth" Define "from". Because I have been to Canada.At 11:21 PM 6/14/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone from Canada competes in the MidSouth Soaring Champs, I'll cover his motel for the weekend!Gordy No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/364 - Release Date: 6/14/2006
[RCSE] XP 4 or XP 4.5
Need some opinions of the two. Anyone flying both. Tom
Re: [RCSE] XP 4 or XP 4.5
Thanks Phil, I knew that, but needed to know if it really makes any difference. Anyone flying the 4.5 who also flew a 4? T - Original Message - From: Phil Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] XP 4 or XP 4.5 - Original Message - From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need some opinions of the two. Anyone flying both. The XP4 wing has the AG455ct (thinner airfoil from the SuperGee11) root airfoil and is made by me. The XP4.5 has the thicker AG45 (thicker SuperGee1) root airfoil and is made by Shane Spickler. The other consideration would be availability and you would have to ask Denny about that. I hope that helps in your decision process, I can't think of any other significant differences between the two models. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Volz Servos?
I will see if I have any. I know I have a couple wingmaxx. I have the new digitals for sale and have the micro maxx XP for flaps on Supras (or DS planes). Tom - Original Message - From: Marta Zavala To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: [RCSE] Volz Servos? Are the Volz MicoMaxX non digi servos still available NIB? If so where? thanks, Walter
Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra Antenna Placement - bottom placement
What is an adequate range check if you don't have a meter? For most of my planes I get 100 to 150 ft with my Stylus antenna removed. I get way more with my stock antenna on but retracted. I haven't walked far enough to glitch with my Berg antenna just retracted. Also, if I have my plane on my stand, I get way more range then when it is on the ground. Any advice? Tom - Original Message - From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra Antenna Placement - bottom placement It has merit Tom. Although the epoxy matrix will sorta of insulate, the wire would still have to be (electrically) insulated fromt he CF, one could employ 28awg or smaller solid core motor lead which is used in motor windings (very tough varnish). The proper way to build it would be to look at return losses with a network analyzer, determining center frequency and bandwidth. This could be modeled (antenna software), but the CF boom would itself have to be modeled first. If it functioned adequately, then it might be possible to build the unit into every boom during the molding process. However a fair amount of testing would have to confirm that a cross section of OEM RX's would respond adequately to such an antenna. I have yet to be stymied when inserting the OEM antenna within the confines of carbon booms (including the Pike versions) and not modify it such that it works adequately. Again, this requires sophisticated equipment to actaully measure operating frequency. B/W, and gain. The biggest problem is that most folks do not have any conception of what the minimum (antenna down) range is viable for their particular radio system. Some folks do have a good understanding of this, but only after taking the time to experiment. No matter what, although you could develop an integrated base-loaded style antenna, but it would I think be different enough from installation to installation, plus different RX's, plus different wiring configurations (the rest of the control system wiring plays an important role) would make it work for your isntallation but not others. Booms are usually long enough to allow a full 1/4 wave, this offers the best reciprocity. However there is a possibility that the boom itself may enhance a based-loaded design that could be superior. Modeling (using S/W) would still not be adequate, actual prototypes would confirm or deny performance... Tom Broeski wrote: What would be the results if you wrapped copper wire antenna around the base of the boom and ran it out a bit. Would it by like base loading? Would it prevent signal blocking by the boom? Is a slightly wrapped antenna (couple turns down the boom length) better than a straight taped one. I tried inside the boom, in a tube and just taping the antenna to the boom. Got about 130 ft (Stylus with no antenna) before the picolario stopped announcing on all occasions. I have a couple picolarios and this one never said attention, so it' probably an older one. Will try another one to test Skip's method. I will also try a sticky antenna from RC Direct and see what it does. Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra Antenna Placement - bottom placement I updated George's pulse emmission detecotr (PED) design as one of my final projects years ago. For me these devices are critical to setting up a new aircraft. They are especially useful where CF is employed, gas engines, etc. Although diagnostic by nature, in aircraft where I have them employed full time, they have prevented serious failures by just observing the recorded results after every landing. The Picalario idea is a good one; essentially the same thing. Most folks are just plain not aware how many times the RF link has failed on any given flight until they actaully witness it for themselves. Non-believers become believers in very short order. You can not see EMI/RFI, until it gets past the point of being serious in nature... Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:49:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried the thick walled plastic tube along the tailboom - works but only what I consider to be very marginal range (approx 120 feet). DARN! I was hoping Hartmut/Dave/Simon were on to something, but I guess we're still groping around. The next time you do a range test, plug up your Picalario - that nice itty-bitty lady in there will likely start saying ATTENTION! before you start seeing the controls twitch (particularly if you set the sensitivity up) so you won't have to walk so far/strain your eyes/get muddy. Then, (for those antenna configurations in which you
Re: [RCSE] Antenna Placement - Range Check Becker
Sorry I meant Becker antenna not Berg. What is an adequate range check if you don't have a meter? For most of my planes I get 100 to 150 ft with my Stylus antenna removed. I get way more with my stock antenna on but retracted. I haven't walked far enough to glitch with my Becker antenna just retracted. Also, if I have my plane on my stand, I get way more range then when it is on the ground. Any advice? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra Antenna Placement - bottom placement
What would be the results if you wrapped copper wire antenna around the base of the boom and ran it out a bit. Would it by like base loading? Would it prevent signal blocking by the boom? Is a slightly wrapped antenna (couple turns down the boom length) better than a straight taped one. I tried inside the boom, in a tube and just taping the antenna to the boom. Got about 130 ft (Stylus with no antenna) before the picolario stopped announcing on all occasions. I have a couple picolarios and this one never said attention, so it' probably an older one. Will try another one to test Skip's method. I will also try a sticky antenna from RC Direct and see what it does. Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra Antenna Placement - bottom placement I updated George's pulse emmission detecotr (PED) design as one of my final projects years ago. For me these devices are critical to setting up a new aircraft. They are especially useful where CF is employed, gas engines, etc. Although diagnostic by nature, in aircraft where I have them employed full time, they have prevented serious failures by just observing the recorded results after every landing. The Picalario idea is a good one; essentially the same thing. Most folks are just plain not aware how many times the RF link has failed on any given flight until they actaully witness it for themselves. Non-believers become believers in very short order. You can not see EMI/RFI, until it gets past the point of being serious in nature... Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 2/16/2006 11:49:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried the thick walled plastic tube along the tailboom - works but only what I consider to be very marginal range (approx 120 feet). DARN! I was hoping Hartmut/Dave/Simon were on to something, but I guess we're still groping around. The next time you do a range test, plug up your Picalario - that nice itty-bitty lady in there will likely start saying ATTENTION! before you start seeing the controls twitch (particularly if you set the sensitivity up) so you won't have to walk so far/strain your eyes/get muddy. Then, (for those antenna configurations in which you have the MOST confidence, PLEASE!) fly the airplane and keep track of of the number of ATTENTION!s (glitch/pulse omission reports) vs flight time for comparison. That might take a pencil/notepad/assistant (or other talent, writing with your toes comes to mind), since AFAIK the Pic doesn't keep that data in memory (HELP Hartmut!). There are other such (older new) sensors out there that do (I've got one I bought from Mark Schwing (EMS) someplace, and RC guru George Steiner had DIY articles on such in RCM). If enough folks do this and (carefully!) report the results, we might start to get a stochastic (yeh, eye are an injenyr two!) insight into the practical effects of carbon structure vs antenna performance, since the application of more elegant em theory is (as yet, apparently) inconclusive. Maybe Gordy could do something REALLY useful by compiling the data. Might be more helpful than the I wrapped my antenna around a pair of needle-nose pliers and never had a problem approach. Good Lift! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] (no subject)
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Re: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring supra
Gordy, You should read about the various builds of the Supra started by Doug Barry here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=429879 Internal pushrods work great. I think starting on page 7 or 8 or later Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: [RCSE] "Results of Southwest Soaring" Hi guys, Well I made it from snowing Atlanta today to Puerto Vallartawere it is not snowing :-) Sitting on the beach typing this note. Everyone here is wondering about what fun everyone had at the SWC this weekend...well at least I think that's what all the chatter is about(they tend to speak Spanish here). In any case I think one of them was talking about how well Don Richmonds internal pushrods worked on his Supra, and how he was getting a lot of envious looks from other guys who have 'outies'. And I think there was some funny reports on wild landings and flip oversbut again, it was all in Spanish. I guess if you 'add em' all up, the comments sounded pretty positive :-) GordyLife is currently a beach
Re: [RCSE] Heading east on 58 to the SWC
Okay 58 starts somewhere like Norfolk VA going west. and gets messed up in Kentucky. Where at on 58? and from where? Then what route ya taking? I couldn't find a 58 E out west. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: [RCSE] Heading east on 58 to the SWC 5RIVING Driving Riding in the RV. On our way to the SWC. I have nothing better to do than type this message on my Blackberry. At this point we plan to arive at the SWC site about noon on Thursday. We will update later. THANKS, Charles and John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 flies!!
Is the CG different in the carbon model? Where did it end up. I'm at 92.5 mm 64 mm seems really forward. Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra #42 flies!! Following three weeks of slooow assembly, Supra #42 (carbon) was launched today. The weather at Poway was perfect with light winds, light thermals and lots of sun. No rain this year so there is no grass, just brown stubble that generates thermals from about 0900 until sunset. My Supra is a carbon model with a beautiful dark orange fuse and white and orange wings. Assembly took a little longer than I expected mainly due to my desire to put the pushrods inside thefuse and boom. The fuse is tight quarters with the ballast tube installed. Details of the pushrod installation are available from me off line. The Airtronics 94761Z digital servos are a perfect fit in the wing and fuse. I used the supplied hardware to connect servos to flight controls and covered the servos with the supplied covers. Thanks to Barry Kennedy and Larry Jolly for providing me with pictures and suggestions about making the installation and setup. 'ole #42 was almost perfectly trimmed and flew nearly the length of the field with the first hand launch. The first winch launch was equally nice with a steep climb without the application of a launch mode. I used the 5? degree tip joiners for increased stability during launch and thermalling at long range with my ancient eyes. All up weight was 68 ounces including 3.5 ounces of nose lead and the CG was set at 64 mm. After the joy of the first successful launch waned, I noticed that Supra was still at about winch height although not encountering any thermals. A quick trip around the field, down in the valley and way upwind did not produce a thermal encounter, but did produce a 5+ minute flight. The model has great L/D and good speed range. It will go fast and it will slow down for min sink or thermaling. A quick dive test and inverted flight showed a nose heavy condition so .5 ounces were removed for the next flight. Again the dive test and inverted still showed a nose heavy condition so another .5 ounces were removed. Now it was right for my style of flying. It will pull out of a dive test in 4-500 feet and flies inverted with little elevator. A few adjustments were needed for the elevator compensation in landing mode, but it isn't quite there yet. However landings are easily controlled as the model will slow to a walk even without a head wind. The large rudder provides good control for those last minute "jinks" for the tape. The Supra is a well designed, beautifully constructed thermal duration model. It is very stable on launch and in flight with no bad habits that I could see on these first flights. Judging from the winch launch results, the carbon wing should be strong enough for F3J (I will test it this weekend in Phoenix). Thanks again to Airtronics, Barry Kennedy and Larry Jolly for their help with this project. Contact me directly with question regarding assembly or setup. See you in Phoenix. Don RichmondSan Diego, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.hilaunch.com
Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 flies lead
Then I'd better get the lead out. Doc Drella... what do you think? T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 flies!! I'm at 108 with #31. Maurice - Original Message - From: Tom Broeski To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra #42 flies!! Is the CG different in the carbon model? Where did it end up. I'm at 92.5 mm 64 mm seems really forward. Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra #42 flies!! Following three weeks of slooow assembly, Supra #42 (carbon) was launched today. The weather at Poway was perfect with light winds, light thermals and lots of sun. No rain this year so there is no grass, just brown stubble that generates thermals from about 0900 until sunset. My Supra is a carbon model with a beautiful dark orange fuse and white and orange wings. Assembly took a little longer than I expected mainly due to my desire to put the pushrods inside the fuse and boom. The fuse is tight quarters with the ballast tube installed. Details of the pushrod installation are available from me off line. The Airtronics 94761Z digital servos are a perfect fit in the wing and fuse. I used the supplied hardware to connect servos to flight controls and covered the servos with the supplied covers. Thanks to Barry Kennedy and Larry Jolly for providing me with pictures and suggestions about making the installation and setup. 'ole #42 was almost perfectly trimmed and flew nearly the length of the field with the first hand launch. The first winch launch was equally nice with a steep climb without the application of a launch mode. I used the 5? degree tip joiners for increased stability during launch and thermalling at long range with my ancient eyes. All up weight was 68 ounces including 3.5 ounces of nose lead and the CG was set at 64 mm. After the joy of the first successful launch waned, I noticed that Supra was still at about winch height although not encountering any thermals. A quick trip around the field, down in the valley and way upwind did not produce a thermal encounter, but did produce a 5+ minute flight. The model has great L/D and good speed range. It will go fast and it will slow down for min sink or thermaling. A quick dive test and inverted flight showed a nose heavy condition so .5 ounces were removed for the next flight. Again the dive test and inverted still showed a nose heavy condition so another .5 ounces were removed. Now it was right for my style of flying. It will pull out of a dive test in 4-500 feet and flies inverted with little elevator. A few adjustments were needed for the elevator compensation in landing mode, but it isn't quite there yet. However landings are easily controlled as the model will slow to a walk even without a head wind. The large rudder provides good control for those last minute jinks for the tape. The Supra is a well designed, beautifully constructed thermal duration model. It is very stable on launch and in flight with no bad habits that I could see on these first flights. Judging from the winch launch results, the carbon wing should be strong enough for F3J (I will test it this weekend in Phoenix). Thanks again to Airtronics, Barry Kennedy and Larry Jolly for their help with this project. Contact me directly with question regarding assembly or setup. See you in Phoenix. Don Richmond San Diego, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hilaunch.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras?
I did manage maiden flight on #20 last Saturday. A bit too windy to do much thermal trimming. Had the CG at 92 mm and can probably add a bit more nose weight. Got bounced around a bit. Launch is better than my Escapes, and very stable. It will take a few hours of flying, at the least, to get it dialed in and practice landing. Too early to comment much, other than it can slow way down or cover a lot of ground without losing much altitude. Looks like rain this weekend. Been the windiest Jan I can remember. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras? In a message dated 1/31/2006 1:36:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that you've all been flying your Supras... we haven't really heard anything from you. Many of those Supra owners who have previously posted are currently experiencing a recurring climatological phenomenon known as WINTER! - not conducive to much flight testing activity. . . Good Lift! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Winch chutes. Mike L
Mike, You still selling your chutes? I could use another one. Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Winch chutes Who makes those chutes that use a mesh instead of lines to the canopy?
Re: [RCSE] Re: Wood Crafters / Builders etc.
There are plenty of people who fly both woodies and composites (built and bought). Without guys like Ray and Phil, there would be a very big void in world of RC. There are also some who build, some who design and some who do both. Selig, DP, JW, TK, MD etc. Are greatly responsible for what is being developed. TK scratch built his first designs and the Mantis took off because of Phil and got pretty because of Terry Luckenbacker. I believe Doc D, TK, Mike L, Phil, Barry, etc. all participate in the evolution of the Supra. We need all types to make this the great sport it is. No one person is doing this on their own. Oh, and we need the non-builder guys to buy the stuff that people build also. This is for example sake. There are many more I could add to the list, the etc. is for them. And sorry if any of my facts are off or limited. John, I believe AMA does provide Delta Darts and there are a lot of clubs, schools, scouts, etc. that take advantage of this service. I've taught a flight class (small free flight gliders) at the local middle school for several years. Kids have won both regional and state championships. Haven't had a single kid join the sport. Video games seem to be taking over. Why go outside when you can fly on a computer. Competitions tend to drive the high end, but there are a lot of low end fliers that are happy to just go out and have fun on the weekends, you don't hear much about them. My question is: How did you get into the sport in the first place? I watched the power fliers at Sepulveda Park (LA Calif) in the 50's and didn't get into the sport until the mid 90's in Virginia. Saw my first sailplane contest at Cuckoo VA. There were lots of exploded woody planes on launch, several lost in the woods, mid-airs, hard landings, etc. I figured it took a good deal of money to compete in the sport. I saw hand launches for the first time. I went to the closest local club in Waynesboro, VA and they told me they didn't allow sailplanes. I just didn't want the mess and noise of power. I tried to learn to fly on my own with no luck. I found a club in Charlottesville VA and a guy (Millard Scott) who helped me learn to fly. I know I would have given up if he hadn't been there. I don't know if there is anything that AMA or LSF can do. I'm sure they are open to suggestions. T - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Wood Crafters 06 Announcement After the exchange between Ray and Phil I have been thinking. Inquiring minds would like to know! How many builder/flyers do we have at the NATS? Aside from my own curiosity, I think it would be a good gauge for AMA and LSF of the state of the hobby. It would be nice to know just how many people at the NATS build the planes that they fly. I have the greatest respect for the people like Phil that build and fly the molded planes. It takes a real commitment to the hobby and building to acquire the skills and equipment needed to make composite and molded plane. I am thinking that of all flyers at the NATS maybe 10-20% would have built the planes they fly. This is just from observation from being a spectator, timer, and relief driver of the carts at last years NATS. I think we will see even less flyer/builder/pilots this year with the popularity of the Mark D. based design ARFs like the AVA. That said, maybe we should think about where new blood will come from, and who is are target new members. Certainly they will not come from the young people that have families to rise. The silent EXAMPLES we are giving at our contests say that the average cost of a competitive ship is as much or more than the young families house payment. Yes, you can get in cheaper but people learn from what they see (the high percentage of very expensive planes) and the not what they are told (It is not the equipment it's the skill of the pilot that counts). It may be time to re-thing, and redirect, where the AMA and LSF is directing the marketing for new soaring members. Flame proof pants on! John -Original Message- From: Ray Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:16 AM To: Phil Barnes; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Wood Crafters 06 Announcement Phil, I have tremendous respect for your contributions to rc soaring as well, but maybe you should not be to too thin skinned on what is posted here. Note that I included a smiley face, meaning this was a tongue in cheek thing and not meant to cause hurt feelings. When I think of ARF, I don't think of Phil Barnes or composit scratch builders, I think of Asia and Europe and see through wings. I bet I'm not alone on this. BTW, I was flying Old Fashioned composit ( pressed balsa sheeting glued with epoxy over foam cores I cut ) in the 1980 (?) F3B Team Selection Finals, I believe Dave Thornburg was the CD.
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
Why is it that it doesn't seem to make that much (or any)difference if you have a pic or not in serious contests. Tom Keisling,Josh Glabb, DP, JW etc. seem to win no matter what. It actually takes some skill to use a pic right. I found that I tend to fly around waiting to hear lift instead of looking at the normal conditions that usually indicate it. Like guys circling in a thermal, a hawk,swallows, a bunch of guys looking in the same direction, etc. Last contest I tried it in my Escape and had to take it out. It just wasn't helping me. I turned in marginal lift and lost altitude too many times. Turning at all is often the wrong move on certain days when minimum sink is best with a slow steady, no turn flight. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc In a message dated 1/23/2006 5:08:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today, Idon't feel that the use of telemetry is in the"spirit" of the rules as they were originallyintended. Whew, I'm so glad you guys weren't around in the 60s when I was flying 400 sq. in. pylon pattern with Orions Taurus's. We used reeds, by pulsing spring loaded switches with our thumbs, Bonner servos were about22 inoz of torque, and about 4" long. Elevator trim was the only trim, a 4th servo slid the elevator servo arm forward and back for trim. My point is, when Pro Line Kraft came out with proportional radios, everyone said it was unfair to just move a stick, and the surface moved an equivalent amount, and trim was on all channels and no extra servo. People tried to kill propo for competition, but lucky for us, they didn't. That was a huge jump in technology. Ilaid awaya Pro Line two stick right away ($650.00), and I made $500.00 permonth with a wife two kids to feed. If the screamers would have prevailed, we would not have any of this. I'm 68 now, and I mostly fly relaxed woody events , because of arguments like this. I have two JR 9303s 40 or 50 planes, and two Pics, plus lots of OFBs. So there. Bill GrenobleLSF 7558 IVHawksnest SoaringShermans Dale, PA
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,timer,etc
I have noticed that the timer makes a big difference. Put a good pilot with a novice timer (who likes to help) and it can make a negative difference. Ever had to argue with a timer who tries to tell you how to fly instead of reading the conditions? Ever do what the timer said and find it was the wrong decision? Ever have a great pilot as a timer and see your flying improve? I would think that would make a bigger difference than an electronic sensor. I would think having the great pilots time for you is more of an advantage than a marginal pilot using a sensor. T - Original Message - From: Sheldon-YNT uDesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'John Diniz' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jo Grini' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc I'd go regardless. I like using my Pic because there aren't any local pilots that can help me understand what I'm doing. I think the Pic helps me get a reference on what the plane is actually doing with what I'm seeing visually. I hope though that it will be a tool that can be dispensed with as I gain more of that all-important experience. Again, this is in the absence of other pilots to help. But, as Jim said, it takes flying to really gain the experience. That Pic doesn't help me a bit when it comes to putting it down where and when I want for the landing, and that's only going to come with practice, something I'm sorely in need of! -Sheldon- -Original Message- From: John Diniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:38 PM To: Jo Grini; Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc So,for you guys that do use Pic's and other devices: Would you not go to an event because they were not allowed, or would you just not use it for that event? John -Original Message- From: Jo Grini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:07 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc I dont like it but I have to agree totally with Daryl.. ;-) Though last WC in Canada some wondered why I had binoculars with me on the field... And many years ago I think they used bubble machines in WC F3B controlled by a Tx. Even smoke and rockets have been. I hope we never come to that again. I like to win by spotting the signs nature gives. No I have never used any electronic equipment or any feedback from the plane but I did borrow a picolario a few months. It was nice to test different Rx batteries in the cold. Incredible how much power 6 digital servos use in the zoom. warning, warning... Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins Subject: Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc You guys don't get the zen side of it. The telemetry is neat stuff, and fun to use I'm sure on non-contest days. But it has no place in a contest. Use them to learn about your model. Use them to learn about your skill level. Use them to learn about lift. But leave them at home on contest days. If a soaring contest is no longer about recognizing workable lift... what exactly are we contesting? I have my own views, and I'm not always right... well.. yes I am actually but I have to say that the use of these things in a contest setting offends me on every level. Sandbagging is legal too... doesn't make it right. 2 cents, D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ray Hayes
blacklist.sequoia.ops.asp.att.net and several other spam blocking lists are out of wack and bouncing all kinds of email from most major providers and companies like bmi, gte, ntelos, etc. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ray Hayes Harley, I have just one address and I have received several direct replies from RCSE posts today so I know there is not a problem at this end. I don't have a clue why your email to me is bouncing. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ray Hayes Ray, private mail to you is bouncing back. Please send me an e-mail with a valid one. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] casting lead
I just fill small poly bags will shot. You can put them almost anywhere and they conform to the different shaped spaces well. Just tape in or stuff in some foam to hold in place. Easy to add or subtact shot. T - Original Message - From: JIM EALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] casting lead Hello: As you will hear from others, lead fumes are really bad news. If you must, do it only outdoors and that is not fair to your neighbors, etc. A much better way to do this if you must, is to take a piece of brass or aluminum tubing the same size as the stick of butter you want. Fill the tube with the very smallest sized lead shot (#9 bird shot) you can buy at a hunting store - 25 pound bags: ca. $13- $18. Place a thick layer of 5 min epoxy on one end. Let it set up, turn the tube over and place a another layer of epoxy on the other end. You can latter remove (or add) some of the shot by drilling a hole in the side of the tube to let it drain out into a container. Close with tape. There are other metals that can be uses, tungsten for one, but more expensive than lead. I've used this method for nose weight, fill the nose with the amount of lead shot you need, coat with a thick layer of epoxy, STOPS any harmful vapors. Drill a hole for changing amount, close hole with 1/4 inch button nylon bolt. regards, Jim On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:04:55 +, Robert Samuels wrote: I want to cast some lead for ballast into a shape resembling a stick of butter. I have the lead and a torch that puts out enough heat to melt the lead but I don't have a ladle nor a mold. I prefer not to spend much (if any) money for these items as it will be a one time project. Does anyone know what I can use to melt lead in and how to construct a one time mold (cheaply)? Robert Samuels ... St. Louis _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Sailplane Sensor Systems
But are the guys just moving to electric stuff? T - Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Blaine Beron-Rawdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Sailplane Sensor Systems People who don't like those rules don't fly that contest Blaine, Have you given any thought to the idea in your quote is just what HAS happened. I am all the time hearing where the sport is loosing following. Maybe the rules that allow all the high tech gadgets have driven the costs so high that the pilots are already gone. Maybe they just go fly by themselves or with other likeminded flyers and forgo the contest (like I do). If you look at the LOFT site and see all the pilots and then look at the # of contests they flew last year you may see a pattern. I attended most of the contest (drove the cart) but only flew in four (4). You can't imagine my surprise when I won the LOFT expert trophy for the year with only 4 (not very high scoring) contests. John -Original Message- From: Blaine Beron-Rawdon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:20 AM To: Soaring Subject: [RCSE] Sailplane Sensor Systems Gents, I have been following the thread on sensors (varios and so on) in contest sailplanes. I have some comments and thoughts: First off: Rules for a contest evolve over time. A group of flyers becomes accustomed to those rules. People who don't like those rules don't fly that contest. So when you ask your fellow competitors do you like the rules they answer yes. When you ask should we permit something new? they answer no. For me, this explains why Darryl Perkins is resistant to rules changes - he is doing just fine with the present rules! Second: The question of whether to allow varios in thermal duration contests is almost trivial. A better question is: What other kinds of contests could we run if we had onboard sensors and downlinks? These contests might not appeal to the thermal duration purist, but may attract all sorts of folks who have other, related interests. Some possible sailplane contest concepts follow: 1. On-field cross-country: Using GPS-enabled sailplanes, race cross- country around waypoints specified by the CD. Minimum time wins. These points can all be within safe range of the field, visibility and landing-out wise. 2. On-field cross-country for electric sailplanes: Using GPS- enabled sailplanes with milliamp-hour sensors, fly a cross country course as above. The winner uses the minimum electrical energy (launch and on-course). 2a. Duration for electric sailplanes: Fly with milliamp-hour sensors. Stay up for a given period of time. The winner uses the least energy. 3. Altitude gain: Using altimeter-enabled sailplanes, attempt to gain as much altitude above launch height as possible within a given time period. Greatest altitude gain wins. 4. Thermal duration with fixed starting altitude: Using altimeter- enabled (with downlink), the CD can specify a maximum starting altitude followed by a specified duration time. This can be set up so that deep zooms under the limbo are inhibited. This could take the launch out of the equation and could be used for electric sailplanes. All of these contests are feasible right now with available electronics that cost a small part of the average molded sailplane with good radio. For example, Eagle Tree Systems components really work and are so compact that they can be accommodated with little compromise to the airplane. Food for thought... Blaine Beron-Rawdon Envision Design San Pedro, California RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: casting lead
You can just use pliers and a torch to melt the lead. Take a block of wood and press it in some wet sand for your mold. T - Original Message - From: Walter Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: [RCSE] RE: casting lead Lead can be melted in a small iron skillet on any stove. The one I use has curved lip for pouring. Cheap and efficient. Others may suggest mold design. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Loss of Eagle Butte
I was told All AMA insurance is supplemental (to each individual's personalinsurance). Most of the guys flying sailplanes out here don't have their field listed with the AMA, sincethey say it doesn't mean anything. This is one instance where it might make a difference to have the AMA insurance. Could you work out a deal with the hang glider guys to add you on their policy? T - Original Message - From: GRW To: 'RCSE Newsgroup' Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: [RCSE] Loss of Eagle Butte For those of you that haven't heard there is another potential site loss with Eagle Butte. Support is definately needed. Log on here to follow the thread and or check out the developments on the MCS website. Thanks http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467409http://mcs.rchomepage.com/(MCS Website) --Glenn W.Tri-Cities, Wa Yahoo! PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: [RCSE] For Sale: Sportube - Best sailplane airline case!
Fedex ground from VA to CA for an empty sport tube is $11 With 24 lbs weight is $18 T - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:39 AM Subject: [RCSE] For Sale: Sportube - Best sailplane airline case! I am posting this for Joe Nave, please respond to this ad at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --8-- Greetings... Now that we have moved and my sailplanes all made without any damage in the Sportubes, I am ready to sell one or two of them. Sportubes are selling for about $140 PLUS shipping on the Internet (Gear Direct, Kennedy Composites) and $160 direct from Sportube.com Slightly used ;) Sportube: $100 PLUS shipping (Note: shipping will be at least $25). If you are interested, please contact me off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Joe RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra #34
?? You will take pictures of your assembly T - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Digest soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Molded Supra #34 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Pico Gyro
I have a Pico Gyro for sale. Slightly used in DLG. $50 delivered CONUS Tom Here's some info: http://www.heli-world.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODStore_Code=HProduct_Code=CN2022 - Original Message - From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] what's the thinking on gyros in DLGs these days? A gyro will probably not increase the maximum launch height of an aileron DLG model that is properly set up and properly thrown. There are some situations where a gyro may help: 1) They may help with polyhedral DLG models. 2) They may make your launches more consistent by fixing problems caused by bad launch technique. 3) They may help a novice who is just learning to throw, once again by fixing a bad throwing technique. As DLG moves more and more to flaperon models and pilots become more and more proficient with the throwing technique you see less and less use of gyros. Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] XC at Nats
Last time they let you fly either or both XC events. Aero-tow and winch. There was only one fee. There is only winch XC listed on the LSF site. http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2006/Nats2006.html but the entry form has them separated. There is also "After Hours Events" listed on Friday after HL. What would that be? If the conditions were like last time, it would be nice to have the option of flying in the aero-tow. Having to choose "only one" is difficult. Anyone know if the aero-tow is like last time, where you got towed as high as you wanted? It mean't the biggest plane got up 4000 ft, while the smaller ones 1000 ft. If they have a set height for release, and monitors at the field corners, then it might be more fair and might be a factor in people's decisions. Since there is no frequency conflict issue, it would be nice if there was still the option of doing both. I have a vehicle this year, but need a driver and observer. I'm sure my last year's team will be doing scale aero-tow, and I need my 10K for LSF and Canadian. Anyone able to help out? I have two winches available if anyone needs me to bring a spare. Tom
Re: [RCSE] XC at Nats clarified
Mark, Thanks for the info and clarification. If Johnny or someone is willing, can we get towed up after the contests both days? Tom - Original Message - From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] XC at Nats Tom, On the weekend there are three events running concurrently, F3B, Winch XC, and Aerotow XC and you must enter one, that is how I thought it was done in '04 but that is how it will be done in '06. Good or bad, you must decide and fly an event. Also, there will be an altitude limit to launches this year in Aerotow XC, not sure what that is yet, but Johnny needs to see the towplane and that was an issue at 4K, which was not really appropriate and it is a soaring contest not who can see the plane the highest. The after hour event title is for the line across the chart not after HL on Friday. If you look to the right you will see HL Golf and the Banquet and that is what is being refernced by this line, Tom could not make the title outside the chart I would guess. Hope that answers your questions. Marc Gellart 2006 Soaring Nationals Event Director From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Jan 11 05:19:47 CST 2006 To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] XC at Nats Last time they let you fly either or both XC events.?? Aero-tow and winch.? There was only one fee.? There is only winch XC listed on the LSF site.? http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2006/Nats2006.html? but the entry form has them separated.? There is also? After Hours Events listed on Friday after HL.? What would that be??If the conditions were like last time, it would be nice to have the option of flying in the aero-tow.? Having to choose only one is difficult.? Anyone know if the aero-tow is like last time, where you got towed as high as you wanted?? It mean't the biggest plane got up 4000 ft, while the smaller ones 1000 ft.? If they have a set height for release, and monitors at the field corners, then it might be more fair and might be a factor in people's decisions.? Since there is no frequency conflict issue, it would be nice if there was still the option of doing both.?I have a vehicle this year, but need a driver and observer.? I'm sure my last year's team will be doing scale aero-tow, and I need my 10K for LSF and Canadian.? Anyone able to help out?? I have two winches available if anyone needs me to bring a spare.?Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] XC at Nats
Sheldon, I know at the scale woody event there was a 1000 ft limit. It mean't you had to work at it to make your times.Itmight help in the choice of plane ifthere were some sort of limit. If it were 1000 ft, my Minimoa would be my choice since it can catch low thermals that my other planes can't. At 3000 I would probably use my Duo Discus.Of course, conditions are as much a factor in that choice also.In bad air, the Duo can cover a lot more ground than the Mini, even at 1000 ft. Mark isdoing it for safety reasons, so that is okay also. I'm really a newbie at this, so I will defer to the experts. Peter has a lot of scale experience and could probably do great at any reasonable height limit. Last time I only flew aero-tow twice (on Saturday) and really had a great time with my little ASW 27 thanks to Skip Schow for getting a nice convertible. I was there to get my 10K off the winch, but conditions were so bad it wasn't really worth it. I tried winch all day Sunday and didn't even get off the field. Wish I had opted for the aero-tow that time. Hopefully Mark has scheduled in some great weather this time. He did pretty good at winch XClast time, considering the weather we had. Of course, all of this is of little consequence, since I have to get my darn 10K out of the way. The scale stuff is just so much more fun. I'm hoping for some fun flying after the contests both days. I guess that will depend on the tow-pilots. Wish there was some way to do this every year instead of two. Tom - Original Message - From: Sheldon-YNT uDesign To: 'Tom Broeski' ; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:26 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] XC at Nats Actually, the guy (Skip Miller)with the biggest plane, a Nimbus4 as I recall, that towed the highest(~4K AGL?)did not take 1st Place...Peter Goldsmith did (and we had a blast being part of his team). Sois your statement regarding"set height...more fair" actually valid...I'm not so sure? It was the first time I had ever experienced an aerotow even and it was AWESOME! -Sheldon-
Re: [RCSE] Aerotowing
I find that Aerotow is easier than other types of launching. Sailplane pilot keeps the wings level and the tow pilot does the rest. Heck, Johnny Berlin took my plane straight up while he was doing rolls. My job was to let him know when I was going to release. One thing I noticed is that towing takes some special talent. There are occasions when tow pilots have a hard time keeping the right amount of speed and the right amount of climb for some of the faster sailplanes. Sometimes the sailplane can overtake the tow plane and make for some exciting releases. Or, from what I've been told, some of us less experienced sailplane pilots don't know when to use spoilers on tow. I guess there are two ways to look at it. One is to just pull the plane right up to release height the fastest way. The other is to make it more realistic like the full scale with a slower steady climb. I don't know which I like better yet. I do know that tow pilots like Johnny and others make it seem easy. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aerotowing This probably doesn't help Bill, but I can see the full circle now. Many sailplane clubs were off shoots of power clubs and with aerotowing becoming popular I can see the migration back to the power clubs. Aerotow is very similar to an ROG winch tow, but Aerotow for sure beats lugging the winch. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Aerotowing Naturally, the Derstine page roughly titled What are the procedures for towing and what must the tow pilot and sailplane pilot do during the tow? Interests me the most. Any one have a link to something similar? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Please help save 60 Acres South
Good Luck ! If they are anything like some of our county officials, they could care less about anything but the money. "The sale of this land to the LWYSA violates the terms of Forward Thrust and State law. It is a slap in the face to the voters who, in good faith, voted that their tax dollars should be used to acquire this and other properties for recreation." If this is true, youmight be able toget an injunction to stop them and tie them up in the courts for a long time. The "properties for recreation" sounds like they may have a loop hole, since soccer is a recreation. There may be something that says it can be sold if the property is used for recreational purposes. Since emiment domain is now so broad, most counties can do whatever they please if they deem it in the best interest of their pocketbooks, whether public or private property. T - Original Message - From: Jim Laurel To: RCSE Yahoo Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: [RCSE] Please help save 60 Acres South Attention, soaring folks in the Seattle, Washington (USA) area! We need your help to save the Seattle Area Soaring Society's home field, 60 Acres South. Please attend the community meeting tomorrow night at Horace Mann Elementary and tell King County what you think of this rotten deal. I realize that this is an international list, but we are desperate to get this notice out to as many people as possible. You should know that King County is planning to sell one of your treasured local parks - 60 Acres South - to the Lake Washington Youth Soccer Association (LWYSA). The LWYSA is a private organization that plans to turn the park into soccer fields for their use and to generate revenue through field rentals. Sixty Acres South has been the home of the Seattle Area Soaring Society for over 30 years. Sixty Acres South is located on the south side of NE 116th street, directly across from the LWYSA soccer complex already on 60 Acres North. The sale is part of a complex land deal that the County has quietly negotiated with the LWYSA and the Lake Washington Technical College over the last several months. Key Points: This park is part of the Sammamish River Regional park, and was purchased with the proceeds from 30-year bonds authorized by King County voters in 1968 as a part of the Forward Thrust initiative. You and your parents paid for it! The sale of this land to the LWYSA violates the terms of Forward Thrust and State law. It is a slap in the face to the voters who, in good faith, voted that their tax dollars should be used to acquire this and other properties for recreation. The County estimates that 60 Acres South will attract 250,000 new users. Just think how this will impact the already heavy traffic in the area. No traffic mitigation is being proposed. Sixty Acres South has been a wonderful asset to our community for over 30 years. It has a long history of use by model glider fliers, dog racing, rocketry enthusiasts, kite fliers, and a diverse range of other activities that require open, flat space. We need your support to keep this park available to everyone in our community. Please attend the community meeting tomorrow evening and voice your opinion. Representatives from King County as well as the King County Council and Redmond City Council will on hand: Where: Horace Mann Elementary, (Located at 17001 NE 104th St. in Redmond just east of Redmond High School) When: Thursday, January 12th at 7pm For more information and updates, please visit the Save 60 Acres weblog at: http://www.save60acres.com “These voter contracts should be respected not simply because of thelegal constraints but because people have to believe in the credibility of public promises ifour system is going to work. If these promises are broken, how can voters be asked again tovote extra taxes to accomplish any purpose?” --Jim Ellis - Chairman, Forward Thrust, 1973
Re: [RCSE] Shipping US - WAS: Vender Disappointment
I've had very good luck with FedEx Ground cost me $17.98 to ship a 20 lb scale plane in a large box from VA to CA. T - Original Message - From: JMiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RC Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Shipping to Canada - WAS: Vender Disappointment Anker, I feel your pain and auger. Bye the way, in my previous post, I don't know if DHL will ship to foreign countries, but the service is very good in the USA. Jerry Miller Medford, OR Anker Berg-Sonne wrote: Here's our latest UPS horror story. My wife had ordered three boxes of foam wreath cores. Two of them arrived when expected, and the third arrived several days later. Upon opening the box all the cores were broken. It turns out UPS crushed the original box, poured the broken contents into another box, and then proceeded to deliver the (now unblemished exterior) box as if nothing had happened. Geez! Anker RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Vender Disappointment - Rant Follows
Phil, What name was on the pen and how was it written? You might be able to narrow it down. I know of no small vendors (only some magazines) that sell names. It is usually a big no no and not worth the risk. I get pens like that just because I have a mailing address, and not because a vendor sold the name. Don't rule out the fact you have a USA address at all. If you signed an address card for the box, you are in someone's database. T - Original Message - From: Winch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RC Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: [RCSE] Vender Disappointment - Rant Follows I've always been treated very well by the venders in our hobby however recently someone sold their mailing list to a junk mailer. This might not seem like a big thing but I have a USA mailbox which calls me when I have a parcel come in. They charge a reasonable $2.50 for this service. You can imagine my delight after waiting an hour in a border line-up to be given a free pen by the National Pen Company. I only use this address for modeling shipments so I can reasonably deduct that one of five people I have dealt with recently has made a little extra by divulging personal information. Disappointed in Vancouver, Phil RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
You do it because the tow hook is in the way if you use a single pencil. I figure the cg is wing center and the fuse is along for the ride. - Original Message - From: Barry Andersen To: Mark Drela Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Mark Drela wrote: To measure the CG: I turn the assembled glider over on its back, Pardon the potentially dumb question, but why turn the glider, or any glider, on its back for cg measurement. I use the wooden pencil eraser method also. thanks Barry Andersen
Re: [RCSE] Supra almost done Hoopes
Nice to find out after building it [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would be nice to be told you can't use the hoopes as instructed if you use the ballast tube. Let me know what you find out before I change the plugs to MPX ones. Would have made my own harness if I had known. Tom KG4ZSR - Original Message - From: Walt W5SWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra almost done Those of you that are building or have built your molded Supra I have a question. I am going to use a Hoopes wiring harness, but with the balast tube in the connector for the wiring harness will not stow in the fuse. Did you cut an oval in the bottom of the center section to match the opening on the pylon and stow the connector in the center section or what did you do? Walt #23 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra almost done Hoopes
It is separate, so you don't have to install it, but it would be nice to have. T - Original Message - From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Walt W5SWA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra almost done Hoopes Ouch! Is the ballast tube an option? Is it in the kit? I'm watching this thread since I will have this problem as well. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 07:43 AM 1/5/2006, Tom Broeski wrote: Nice to find out after building it [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would be nice to be told you can't use the hoopes as instructed if you use the ballast tube. Let me know what you find out before I change the plugs to MPX ones. Would have made my own harness if I had known. Tom KG4ZSR - Original Message - From: Walt W5SWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra almost done Those of you that are building or have built your molded Supra I have a question. I am going to use a Hoopes wiring harness, but with the balast tube in the connector for the wiring harness will not stow in the fuse. Did you cut an oval in the bottom of the center section to match the opening on the pylon and stow the connector in the center section or what did you do? Walt #23 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra and Hoopes wire harness
If you only go to the rear wing bolt, you won't be able to ballast much. I guess a tungsten slug might work. . Wonder what it would cost without the large plugs (MPX instead). Wonder if this plane would really need much ballast. How did you install the tow hook? How far from the boom seam (not end of fuse) does your slot start? T - Original Message - From: Walt W5SWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra and Hoopes wire harness Well I got the Hoopes wire harness to fit down inside the fuse on the Supra with the ballast tube in place. To achieve this I had to do several things to make it work. 1. Remove the locking tab that holds the two wiring harness connectors together. Use tape to hold them together before flying if your worried about them coming apart. I also did some minor trimming on the two connectors themselves. 2. Remove any excess material from the oval opening in the pylon. Caution, don't remove any material from the inside of the pylon. It is very thin and you will be into gel coat before you know it. If in doubt don't do it. 3. You will only be able to insert the ballast tube in about as far as the aft wing hold down bolt, perhaps just a little further. Any further and you will not be able to get the wiring harness connector down inside the fuse. If you follow these steps you will be able to get the wiring harness connector inside the fuse. Room to spare? No, but it will fit. Walt #23 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] FS: new f3b winchs
There are so many different designs. http://www.fluehs-winden.de/Winden.htm Will it be something like this? http://www.f3x.com/htdocs/accessories/accessories.htm or this: http://www.geocities.com/winchnz/F3B_winch.html One has a smaller more direct motor and the other looks like a geared down large starter. http://www.ml-antriebstechnik.de/index.html Some are really fancy and expensive. Saw several of these at the Nats before. http://web.telia.com/~u59104541/index.html Size and ease of transport will be a major issue. Can you do a simple sketch? This one has a neat box. http://www.gliders.dk/winch%20gjermund.htm The most popular one in Europe is the Hollenbeck. http://rc-sailplane.com/eng/Winch_e.htm They seem to sit up very high off the ground. Tom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] FS: new f3b winchs hi, I have a great machinist that will build me as many f3b winchs as I want. This guy is top notch and has done alot of work for me in the past. The cheapest way to do this, is to buy material to do six at a time. We can started on the first six right away, we will be ordering the material on Monday. Anyone one interested ? here's what I can do; *everything is made from aluminum and polished. *5/8'' solid aluminum base plate, with holes drilled under the drum area to lighten. *1 1/2'' solid end support plates. 13'' long x 1.5'' dia. drum, with 2.'' and 2.5'' clam shells that will attach with two screws per half into the 1.5'' drum. *starter motors come from World Wide Co. they are a big company so they will be consistent and easily replaceable if need be. *adjustable stand or frame. *foot pedal connectors. *solenoid will be bolted to the base plate. *no turn around. *no battery cables. sorry no pics until I build the first six. looks like they'll be around $1000- $1200. hopefully cheaper, but I won't go beyond the $1200. i'll have a solid price and pics after we do these first six. the first six will be cheapest. I'm open to any suggestions. Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] cross-country plane info
Looks like a great plane, but with thin fuse and profile, it might be hard to see if you don't stay under it. The one thing I noticed on the SBXC is that I can see that hunky fuse at 3000 ft. One BIG advantage to the Thermic is that it is not going just sit around all year. You can fly thermal and F3J and be competitive. Spot landing an SBXC is really tough. i know next year is a cross country year at the Nats. and thought this might interest somebody. ijust got in a 4m Thermic XL, can be seen here. http://www.soaringusa.com/products/product.htm?product_id=16254category_id=293 I can't believe the quality of this molded plane that you get for $850. bucks! If you told me it was $1500. it still would be agood price. It's built really strong, has a great finish. I have heard from other owners that they do hang really well also. I even seen they have a ThermicXXXL 5m, http://www.valentamodel.cz/ Just thought i would pass this on. Dave Hauchwww.git-r-built.com
[RCSE] JR 9 ch rx
Like new JR 9 ch NER 549X receiver Ch 17 in the holder, other ch available not in holder. $78 delivered CONUS paypal okay. Tom
Re: [RCSE] Wanted: Rub on flourishes and Chartpak tape
Title: Wanted: Rub on flourishes and Chartpak tape Now a days they are called rub-on letters. They are waxed based just like the letraset ones. There are some neat ones here. http://shop.lifetimemoments.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code=rubons You can make your own http://www.decalpaper.com/rub-on-paper.html Chartpak is very thick, you may just want automotive striping tape. T - Original Message - From: George Voss To: RCSE Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: [RCSE] Wanted: Rub on flourishes and Chartpak tape I know this may seem waay out in left field, but I'm trying to find rub on, sometimes called dry transfer flourishes. They used to be a common item on the shelves of Hobby Lobby craft centers and office supply stores, along with rub on lettering. Does anyone have a stash they won't use or know of a store that still has some stock on hand that I'll put to good use? I've spent hours looking on the net trying to find them. I've tried Letraset in England and Im waiting on a response. Other than that, I have come up blank. The next thing I'm looking for is Chartpak brand .02 crepe tape. I can use as many as 20 rolls if you have them. Any color will work. Leads are greatly appreciated. George
[RCSE] ASK-18 kit SOLD
It went to Ray Hayes. T
Re: [RCSE] Replacement for 77M adhesive
http://www.camie.com/prod_cat/adh_cat.htm 300 and 303 have worked great for me and are half the price of the 3M You might call and say you are a model builder and would like a sample of each. T - Original Message - From: Kent Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:02 AM Subject: [RCSE] Replacement for 77M adhesive I am building a Push E Cat and the plans call for 77m adhesive for the covering adhesive. I don't have any of the pre acetone 77m anymore. What is a good replacement for it? Thanks, Kent Miller SBSS -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] MPX ASK-18 FS
NIB ASK-18 Multiplex kit $70 OBO + shipping Tom
[RCSE] Fw: John Derstine
- Original Message - From: John Derstine To: Melissa Derstine ; Rebecca Derstine Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: John Derstine Im sorry to send such an odd email. If anyone has heard from John Derstine since Sunday, November 6 would you please email us back at his email or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Thank you, Melissa Derstine (Johns Daughter) Johns email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Bunch of receivers FS
12, 9, 8, 6, synth 555, airt 7, super 6, super slim new vision radio, etc. http://www.adesigner.com/hobbies/deals.htm Tom
