Re: price increases?

[Thomas Helzle]

I let subscription go completely already, no problem there Graham.

On 13 July 2012 10:35, Graham Bell  wrote:

> There was a good case for this Subs pricing for Soft, but I think you’re
> gonna have to let the Silver Subs thing go, for now anyway.
>
> G
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Helzle
> Sent: 12 July 2012 15:26
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: price increases?
>
> Interesting!
>
> Now add a silver subscription  for ~300 - 400 Euro and even I may think
> about it again.
>
> Add another silver subscription option without Mental Ray for ~200 Euro
> and I'm sold ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
> http://www.screendream.de
> On 12 July 2012 13:56, Matt Morris  matt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I've just been informed that as of 1st august prices for subscription in
> the UK will be dropped down to £545. (Still gold subscription)
>
> That's a much more reasonable 20% increase on my last subscription, rather
> than 70%, and I will probably now upgrade. I wonder how many subscriptions
> Autodesk has lost through this period though. There must have been a fair
> few like me who decided it was a pretty unreasonable hike!
>
>
>
> On 9 July 2012 17:48, John Richard Sanchez  <mailto:youngupstar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hmmm Well I was paying $795 a year for subscription for XSI last year, I
> upgraded to the suite and now my Subscription price is 1,300per year for
> full suport or $900 for just upgrades and no phone support. Thats a pretty
> steep increase thought It was my choice to upgrade. Still trying to decide
> if the 1,300 is worth the money.
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:26 AM,  pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
> yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become
> upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk.
> then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer,
> it would be beneficial...
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Graham Bell
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM
>
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid
> territory and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post
> acquisition so not sure about that particular version?
> It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the
> current verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
> Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >
> Subject: Re: price increases?
>
> thanks for getting back graham,
>
> hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Graham Bell
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest
> upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
> <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
> Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >
> Subject: Re: price increases?
>
> thanks Graham for the clear information.
> it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes
> to me, more like standardization of policies.
>
> can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Graham Bell
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and
> we sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try
> and make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is
> just from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies
> to the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&am

RE: price increases?

[Graham Bell]

There was a good case for this Subs pricing for Soft, but I think you’re gonna 
have to let the Silver Subs thing go, for now anyway.

G

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Helzle
Sent: 12 July 2012 15:26
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

Interesting!

Now add a silver subscription  for ~300 - 400 Euro and even I may think about 
it again.

Add another silver subscription option without Mental Ray for ~200 Euro and I'm 
sold ;-)

Cheers,

Tom
http://www.screendream.de
On 12 July 2012 13:56, Matt Morris 
mailto:matt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've just been informed that as of 1st august prices for subscription in the UK 
will be dropped down to £545. (Still gold subscription)

That's a much more reasonable 20% increase on my last subscription, rather than 
70%, and I will probably now upgrade. I wonder how many subscriptions Autodesk 
has lost through this period though. There must have been a fair few like me 
who decided it was a pretty unreasonable hike!



On 9 July 2012 17:48, John Richard Sanchez 
mailto:youngupstar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hmmm Well I was paying $795 a year for subscription for XSI last year, I 
upgraded to the suite and now my Subscription price is 1,300per year for full 
suport or $900 for just upgrades and no phone support. Thats a pretty steep 
increase thought It was my choice to upgrade. Still trying to decide if the 
1,300 is worth the money.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:26 AM, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> 
wrote:
yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become 
upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk.
then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer, it 
would be beneficial...


-Original Message- From: Graham Bell
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid territory 
and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post acquisition so 
not sure about that particular version?
It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the current 
verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010.

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?

thanks for getting back graham,

hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.

-Original Message-
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest 
upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?

thanks Graham for the clear information.
it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes to 
me, more like standardization of policies.

can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?


-Original Message-
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we sat 
down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and make it 
clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just from a 
Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to the majority 
of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some exceptions, I don't 
know them all.

Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when 
someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, if 
they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February 1st 
2013, these models are changing

On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades 
from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to 70% 
of the new licence SRP.

Re: price increases?

[Thomas Helzle]

Interesting!

Now add a silver subscription  for ~300 - 400 Euro and even I may think
about it again.

Add another silver subscription option without Mental Ray for ~200 Euro and
I'm sold ;-)

Cheers,

Tom
http://www.screendream.de

On 12 July 2012 13:56, Matt Morris  wrote:

> I've just been informed that as of 1st august prices for subscription in
> the UK will be dropped down to £545. (Still gold subscription)
>
> That's a much more reasonable 20% increase on my last subscription, rather
> than 70%, and I will probably now upgrade. I wonder how many subscriptions
> Autodesk has lost through this period though. There must have been a fair
> few like me who decided it was a pretty unreasonable hike!
>
>
>
>
> On 9 July 2012 17:48, John Richard Sanchez wrote:
>
>> Hmmm Well I was paying $795 a year for subscription for XSI last year, I
>> upgraded to the suite and now my Subscription price is 1,300per year for
>> full suport or $900 for just upgrades and no phone support. Thats a pretty
>> steep increase thought It was my choice to upgrade. Still trying to decide
>> if the 1,300 is worth the money.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:26 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become
>>> upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk.
>>> then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer,
>>> it would be beneficial...
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Graham Bell
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM
>>>
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>>
>>> I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid
>>> territory and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post
>>> acquisition so not sure about that particular version?
>>> It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the
>>> current verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
>>> Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>>
>>> thanks for getting back graham,
>>>
>>> hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Graham Bell
>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>>
>>> Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest
>>> upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
>>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
>>> Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>>
>>> thanks Graham for the clear information.
>>> it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation'
>>> schemes to me, more like standardization of policies.
>>>
>>> can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Graham Bell
>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>>
>>> Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and
>>> we sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try
>>> and make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is
>>> just from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies
>>> to the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some
>>> exceptions, I don't know them all.
>>>
>>> Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
>>> Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when
>>> someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version,
>>> if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February
>>> 1st 2013, these models are changing
>>>
>>> On February 1st 2013, the upgrade prici

Re: price increases?

[Matt Morris]

I've just been informed that as of 1st august prices for subscription in
the UK will be dropped down to £545. (Still gold subscription)

That's a much more reasonable 20% increase on my last subscription, rather
than 70%, and I will probably now upgrade. I wonder how many subscriptions
Autodesk has lost through this period though. There must have been a fair
few like me who decided it was a pretty unreasonable hike!




On 9 July 2012 17:48, John Richard Sanchez  wrote:

> Hmmm Well I was paying $795 a year for subscription for XSI last year, I
> upgraded to the suite and now my Subscription price is 1,300per year for
> full suport or $900 for just upgrades and no phone support. Thats a pretty
> steep increase thought It was my choice to upgrade. Still trying to decide
> if the 1,300 is worth the money.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:26 AM,  wrote:
>
>> yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become
>> upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk.
>> then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer,
>> it would be beneficial...
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Graham Bell
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM
>>
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>
>> I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid
>> territory and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post
>> acquisition so not sure about that particular version?
>> It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the
>> current verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
>> Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>
>> thanks for getting back graham,
>>
>> hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Graham Bell
>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>
>> Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest
>> upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
>> Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>
>> thanks Graham for the clear information.
>> it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes
>> to me, more like standardization of policies.
>>
>> can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Graham Bell
>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>
>> Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and
>> we sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try
>> and make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is
>> just from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies
>> to the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some
>> exceptions, I don't know them all.
>>
>> Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
>> Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when
>> someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version,
>> if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February
>> 1st 2013, these models are changing
>>
>> On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that
>> upgrades from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence
>> SRP to 70% of the new licence SRP.
>>
>> Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence
>> SRP.
>>
>> Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.
>>
>> Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues
>> to be the most cost effective way to keep your software current.
>>
>>
>> Subscription price changes:
>>
>> Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many
>> pr

Re: price increases?

[John Richard Sanchez]

Hmmm Well I was paying $795 a year for subscription for XSI last year, I
upgraded to the suite and now my Subscription price is 1,300per year for
full suport or $900 for just upgrades and no phone support. Thats a pretty
steep increase thought It was my choice to upgrade. Still trying to decide
if the 1,300 is worth the money.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:26 AM,  wrote:

> yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become
> upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk.
> then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer,
> it would be beneficial...
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Graham Bell
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM
>
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid
> territory and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post
> acquisition so not sure about that particular version?
> It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the
> current verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
> Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: Re: price increases?
>
> thanks for getting back graham,
>
> hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Graham Bell
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest
> upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
> Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: Re: price increases?
>
> thanks Graham for the clear information.
> it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes
> to me, more like standardization of policies.
>
> can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Graham Bell
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and
> we sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try
> and make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is
> just from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies
> to the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some
> exceptions, I don't know them all.
>
> Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
> Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when
> someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version,
> if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February
> 1st 2013, these models are changing
>
> On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that
> upgrades from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence
> SRP to 70% of the new licence SRP.
>
> Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence
> SRP.
>
> Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.
>
> Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to
> be the most cost effective way to keep your software current.
>
>
> Subscription price changes:
>
> Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many
> product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February
> 1st 2013.
>
> However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because
> at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and
> other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last
> year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open
> this
> debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to
> increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I
> do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected
> soon.
> And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't
> have any information outside of that.
>
> Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out:
>
> On August 1st 2012, the discou

Re: price increases?

[peter_b]

yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become 
upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk.
then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer, it 
would be beneficial...


-Original Message- 
From: Graham Bell

Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid 
territory and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post 
acquisition so not sure about that particular version?
It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the 
current verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010.


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of 
pete...@skynet.be

Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

thanks for getting back graham,

hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.

-Original Message-
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest 
upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of 
pete...@skynet.be

Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

thanks Graham for the clear information.
it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes to 
me, more like standardization of policies.


can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?


-Original Message-
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we 
sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and 
make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just 
from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to 
the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some 
exceptions, I don't know them all.


Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when 
someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, 
if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February 
1st 2013, these models are changing


On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades 
from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to 
70% of the new licence SRP.


Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.

Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to 
be the most cost effective way to keep your software current.



Subscription price changes:

Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many
product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February
1st 2013.

However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because
at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and
other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last
year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open this
debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to
increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I
do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected soon.
And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't
have any information outside of that.

Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out:

On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce
from 10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year contracts

On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from 5%
to 0%


So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made
which were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions.


As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no further
price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot
absolutely state that this won't change in the future or that there will not
be some exceptions.




From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials wi

RE: price increases?

[Graham Bell]

I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid territory 
and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post acquisition so 
not sure about that particular version?
It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the current 
verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

thanks for getting back graham,

hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.

-Original Message-
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest 
upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

thanks Graham for the clear information.
it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes to 
me, more like standardization of policies.

can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?


-Original Message-
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we sat 
down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and make it 
clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just from a 
Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to the majority 
of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some exceptions, I don't 
know them all.

Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when 
someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, if 
they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February 1st 
2013, these models are changing

On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades 
from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to 70% 
of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.

Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to be 
the most cost effective way to keep your software current.


Subscription price changes:

Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many
product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February
1st 2013.

However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because
at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and
other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last
year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open this
debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to
increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I
do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected soon.
And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't
have any information outside of that.

Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out:

On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce
from 10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year contracts

On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from 5%
to 0%


So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made
which were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions.


As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no further
price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot
absolutely state that this won't change in the future or that there will not
be some exceptions.




From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with nodes.
Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away.  You will still have
to use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't
support everything you can do with tree.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle
mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-)
While it's not node based (and I

Re: price increases?

[peter_b]

thanks for getting back graham,

hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well.

-Original Message- 
From: Graham Bell

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest 
upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of 
pete...@skynet.be

Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

thanks Graham for the clear information.
it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes to 
me, more like standardization of policies.


can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?


-Original Message-
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we 
sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and 
make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just 
from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to 
the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some 
exceptions, I don't know them all.


Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when 
someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, 
if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February 
1st 2013, these models are changing


On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades 
from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to 
70% of the new licence SRP.


Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.

Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to 
be the most cost effective way to keep your software current.



Subscription price changes:

Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many
product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February
1st 2013.

However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because
at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and
other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last
year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open this
debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to
increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I
do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected soon.
And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't
have any information outside of that.

Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out:

On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce
from 10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year contracts

On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from 5%
to 0%


So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made
which were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions.


As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no further
price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot
absolutely state that this won't change in the future or that there will not
be some exceptions.




From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with nodes.
Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away.  You will still have
to use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't
support everything you can do with tree.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle
mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-)
While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is
much less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. Now
that I used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from yours,
Steffen) has changed a lot.

BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current
versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node
shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay
;-) ) and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). But I
think the Lightwave Rendere

RE: price increases?

[Graham Bell]

Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest 
upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

thanks Graham for the clear information.
it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes to 
me, more like standardization of policies.

can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?


-Original Message-
From: Graham Bell
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we sat 
down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and make it 
clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just from a 
Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to the majority 
of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some exceptions, I don't 
know them all.

Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when 
someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, if 
they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February 1st 
2013, these models are changing

On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades 
from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to 70% 
of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.

Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to be 
the most cost effective way to keep your software current.


Subscription price changes:

Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many 
product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February 
1st 2013.

However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because 
at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and 
other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last 
year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open this 
debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to 
increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I 
do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected soon. 
And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't 
have any information outside of that.

Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out:

On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce 
from 10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year contracts

On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from 5% 
to 0%


So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made 
which were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions.


As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no further 
price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot 
absolutely state that this won't change in the future or that there will not 
be some exceptions.




From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with nodes. 
Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away.  You will still have 
to use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't 
support everything you can do with tree.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle 
mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-)
While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is 
much less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. Now 
that I used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from yours, 
Steffen) has changed a lot.

BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current 
versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node 
shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay 
;-) ) and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). But I 
think the Lightwave Renderer is still top notch and GI is very fast.

Again, I don't think modo is for everybody, but IMO it's more artist 
friendly and -centered approach goes a long way towards getting stuff done 
fast where the big 

Re: price increases?

[peter_b]

thanks Graham for the clear information.
it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes to 
me,

more like standardization of policies.

can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is?


-Original Message- 
From: Graham Bell

Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we 
sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and 
make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just 
from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to 
the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some 
exceptions, I don't know them all.


Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when 
someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, 
if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February 
1st 2013, these models are changing


On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades 
from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to 
70% of the new licence SRP.


Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.

Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to 
be the most cost effective way to keep your software current.



Subscription price changes:

Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many 
product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February 
1st 2013.


However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because 
at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and 
other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last 
year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open this 
debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to 
increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I 
do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected soon. 
And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't 
have any information outside of that.


Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out:

On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce 
from 10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year contracts


On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from 5% 
to 0%



So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made 
which were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions.



As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no further 
price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot 
absolutely state that this won't change in the future or that there will not 
be some exceptions.





From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell

Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with nodes. 
Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away.  You will still have 
to use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't 
support everything you can do with tree.


On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle 
mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-)
While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is 
much less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. Now 
that I used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from yours, 
Steffen) has changed a lot.


BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current 
versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node 
shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay 
;-) ) and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). But I 
think the Lightwave Renderer is still top notch and GI is very fast.


Again, I don't think modo is for everybody, but IMO it's more artist 
friendly and -centered approach goes a long way towards getting stuff done 
fast where the big packages can be a bit long in the tooth.


Regarding the price: 20 years ago even a rotating cube was considered 
awesome and you needed a lot of special knowledge, gear and patience for 
even the most simple stuff. Been there, done that.

But the times are changing and today 3D is no longer something special.
I see an inflation happening: falling

RE: price increases?

[Graham Bell]

Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we sat 
down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and make it 
clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just from a 
Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to the majority 
of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some exceptions, I don't 
know them all.

Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software:
Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when 
someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, if 
they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February 1st 
2013, these models are changing

On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades 
from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to 70% 
of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence SRP.

Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable.

Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to be 
the most cost effective way to keep your software current.


Subscription price changes:

Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many 
product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February 1st 
2013.

However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because at 
this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and other 
forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last year, and 
is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open this debate 
here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to increase further 
and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I do not know exact 
details, but information on local prices is expected soon. And again, I must 
state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't have any information 
outside of that.

Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out:

On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce from 
10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year contracts

On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from 5% to 
0%


So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made which 
were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions.


As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no further 
price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot absolutely 
state that this won't change in the future or that there will not be some 
exceptions.




From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell
Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with nodes.  
Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away.  You will still have to 
use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't support 
everything you can do with tree.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle 
mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-)
While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is much 
less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. Now that I 
used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from yours, Steffen) 
has changed a lot.

BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current 
versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node 
shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay ;-) ) 
and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). But I think 
the Lightwave Renderer is still top notch and GI is very fast.

Again, I don't think modo is for everybody, but IMO it's more artist friendly 
and -centered approach goes a long way towards getting stuff done fast where 
the big packages can be a bit long in the tooth.

Regarding the price: 20 years ago even a rotating cube was considered awesome 
and you needed a lot of special knowledge, gear and patience for even the most 
simple stuff. Been there, done that.
But the times are changing and today 3D is no longer something special.
I see an inflation happening: falling rates, cheaper, better and faster gear, 
more people wanting "in" etc.
The big tools are up against Blender - with Cycles, Camera Tracking, 
Volumetrics, Fluids, Compositing etc. today.
Very very different times IMO.

I can't see how Autodesk prices are cost-of-development driven in any 
reasonable way.
The packages they have already exist. They are noodling around with them a bit, 
bu

Re: price increases?

[Thomas Cannell]

Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with nodes.
 Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away.  You will still
have to use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't
support everything you can do with tree.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle wrote:

> Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-)
> While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is
> much less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. Now
> that I used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from yours,
> Steffen) has changed a lot.
>
> BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current
> versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node
> shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay
> ;-) ) and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). But
> I think the Lightwave Renderer is still top notch and GI is very fast.
>
> Again, I don't think modo is for everybody, but IMO it's more artist
> friendly and -centered approach goes a long way towards getting stuff done
> fast where the big packages can be a bit long in the tooth.
>
> Regarding the price: 20 years ago even a rotating cube was considered
> awesome and you needed a lot of special knowledge, gear and patience for
> even the most simple stuff. Been there, done that.
> But the times are changing and today 3D is no longer something special.
> I see an inflation happening: falling rates, cheaper, better and faster
> gear, more people wanting "in" etc.
> The big tools are up against Blender - with Cycles, Camera Tracking,
> Volumetrics, Fluids, Compositing etc. today.
> Very very different times IMO.
>
> I can't see how Autodesk prices are cost-of-development driven in any
> reasonable way.
> The packages they have already exist. They are noodling around with them a
> bit, but the last time I saw something really impressive in a major 3D
> package was ICE in XSI 7.
>
> But anyway, I don't want to convince anybody of anything here, it's just
> that I get the impression of a serious "Stockholm Syndrome" from some of
> the discussions on this list ;-)
>
> Each to his own - YMMV
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
> On 19 June 2012 12:55, Steffen Dünner wrote:
>
>> 2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle 
>>
>>> especially their render tree
>>
>>
>> They have a render tree? Node based?
>> Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack that
>> felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature
>> description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in it.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Steffen
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Re: price increases?

[Thomas Helzle]

Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-)
While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is
much less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. Now
that I used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from yours,
Steffen) has changed a lot.

BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current
versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node
shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay
;-) ) and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). But
I think the Lightwave Renderer is still top notch and GI is very fast.

Again, I don't think modo is for everybody, but IMO it's more artist
friendly and -centered approach goes a long way towards getting stuff done
fast where the big packages can be a bit long in the tooth.

Regarding the price: 20 years ago even a rotating cube was considered
awesome and you needed a lot of special knowledge, gear and patience for
even the most simple stuff. Been there, done that.
But the times are changing and today 3D is no longer something special.
I see an inflation happening: falling rates, cheaper, better and faster
gear, more people wanting "in" etc.
The big tools are up against Blender - with Cycles, Camera Tracking,
Volumetrics, Fluids, Compositing etc. today.
Very very different times IMO.

I can't see how Autodesk prices are cost-of-development driven in any
reasonable way.
The packages they have already exist. They are noodling around with them a
bit, but the last time I saw something really impressive in a major 3D
package was ICE in XSI 7.

But anyway, I don't want to convince anybody of anything here, it's just
that I get the impression of a serious "Stockholm Syndrome" from some of
the discussions on this list ;-)

Each to his own - YMMV

Best regards,

Tom

On 19 June 2012 12:55, Steffen Dünner wrote:

> 2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle 
>
>> especially their render tree
>
>
> They have a render tree? Node based?
> Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack that
> felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature
> description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in it.
>
> Cheers
> Steffen
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> Fingerprint: 394B 3DA9 9A9A 96C6  3A5A 0595 EF92 EE1F
>

RE: price increases?

[Graham Bell]

I’ve been following the thread. I don’t have any information on impending 
changes to pricing and policy, other than what Autodesk have announced here:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=123112

But I will try and find out.

G

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: 14 June 2012 19:57
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.



From: Thomas Helzle<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?

"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very 
effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to extract 
shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit reluctant to let 
go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.

It's easily fixed with the:
S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.

Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.

Enjoy your stay ;-)

Cheers,

Tom
On 14 June 2012 19:59, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance 
for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.

all bets are on.


-Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?

but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)


-Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

What are the new prices for new licenses?




-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.


-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of David
Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
You know,

I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.

I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
for
400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.

what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.

-eric



On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
is a fantastic thing to happen.


I&

Re: price increases?

[Luc-Eric Rousseau]

they're not raising the price of Softimage specifically, it applies to
most Autodesk products

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Eric Lampi  wrote:
> Prices rise from time to time, there has to be some profit in it. Since the
> port to Windows NT back around '95/'96, SoftImage's price per seat has
> continued to fall.
>
> Maybe it's fallen too far to cover development costs?
>
> Eric

Re: price increases?

[Eric Lampi]

Prices rise from time to time, there has to be some profit in it. Since the
port to Windows NT back around '95/'96, SoftImage's price per seat has
continued to fall.

Maybe it's fallen too far to cover development costs?

Eric

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, David Gallagher <
davegsoftimagel...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> For those of us who've been doing this for 20 years, I'm not inclined to
> get worked up about the price. Considering it used to be tens of thousands
> per seat.
>
> Don't get me wrong -- the monopolistic aspects of this is disturbing to
> me. But they have to pay the developers from some stream of cash, after
> all. I'm happy if they make money from Softimage development because I'm
> hoping they'll do more of it.
>
> Dave
>
> On 6/18/2012 9:38 AM, Szabolcs Matefy wrote:
>
>  To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products,
> and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more
> reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay for
> bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested stuff?
> It’s not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for you guys, you
> really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And that’ll lead to
> increased software piracy, it’s sure.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Williams, Wayne
> *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* RE: price increases?
>
> ** **
>
> “I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my
> subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices
> going up even more?!”
>
> ** **
>
> You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it
> roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so
> Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money.
> Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion
> but monopolistic price gouging isn’t a sustainable business model due to
> various factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can
> afford the new, higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there.
> They also  extremely piss off much of the rest of their customer base with
> the higher prices  which makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for
> solutions. This is when competitors step in and offer more value to lure
> that customer base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort
> of product for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does
> more than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price.  Eventually,
> this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being made
> possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is something
> that is desirable in the long term. It’s one of the things which drives
> innovation, competition and helps producers to determine what is the right
> price for their product. Non-market based external factors aside
> (government’s injecting themselves into the economy (typically due to
> lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, no bid
> contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient one our species has
> observed to date for the allocation of resources. 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt
> Morris
> *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: price increases?
>
> ** **
>
> I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs
> due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going
> up even more?!
>
> ** **
>
> I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price
> policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a
> worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being
> squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker  wrote:
>
> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> > Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any
> word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like
> subscription.
>
> +1
>
>
> I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
> one single subscription covered Ult

Re: price increases?

[David Gallagher]

For those of us who've been doing this for 20 years, I'm not inclined to 
get worked up about the price. Considering it used to be tens of 
thousands per seat.


Don't get me wrong -- the monopolistic aspects of this is disturbing to 
me. But they have to pay the developers from some stream of cash, after 
all. I'm happy if they make money from Softimage development because I'm 
hoping they'll do more of it.


Dave

On 6/18/2012 9:38 AM, Szabolcs Matefy wrote:


To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, 
and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, 
more reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay 
for bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested 
stuff? It's not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for 
you guys, you really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And 
that'll lead to increased software piracy, it's sure.


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Williams, Wayne

*Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* RE: price increases?

"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my 
subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the 
prices going up even more?!"


You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it 
does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough 
people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or 
hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for 
the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a 
sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the 
demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums 
so they wind up losing customers there. They also  extremely piss off 
much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices  which 
makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is 
when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer 
base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of product 
for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does more 
than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price.  Eventually, 
this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being 
made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is 
something that is desirable in the long term. It's one of the things 
which drives innovation, competition and helps producers to determine 
what is the right price for their product. Non-market based external 
factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy 
(typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, 
tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient 
one our species has observed to date for the allocation of resources.


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] 
<mailto:[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]> *On Behalf 
Of *Matt Morris

*Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

*Subject:* Re: price increases?

I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my 
subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the 
prices going up even more?!


I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price 
policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a 
worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being 
squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.


On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <mailto:bauero...@gmx.de>> wrote:


On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard 
any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like 
subscription.


+1


I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.

It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.

If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.

This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.

I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even 
sell the full pack?


Cheers,


tim






On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash

RE: price increases?

[Szabolcs Matefy]

I think modo’s rendering is a quite different approach, it’s really layerbased, 
where materials, objects are mostly layer masks. However rendering is quite 
fast, and progressive. I think it’s a good alternate (and cheap(er))

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Steffen Dünner
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:24 PM
To: ron...@toonafish.nl; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

 

Thanks for confirming my first impressions :)

That's what I meant by "ancient". I hoped that such a brand new architecture 
would offer me a more modern concept of material editing.

The RayGL mode is awesome though!

 

2012/6/19 Toonafish 

Neh, unfortunately the Render Tree in Modo is not node based. I works more like 
Photoshop layers, just like in Lightwave, but a bit more advanced. There are 
some advantages over the Render Tree in Softimage, but even in a medium complex 
scene it becomes extemely flaky and very confusing. 

-Ronald




On 6/19/2012 12:55 PM, Steffen Dünner wrote:

2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle 

especially their render tree


They have a render tree? Node based? 

Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack 
that felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature 
description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in it.

 

Cheers

Steffen
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Re: price increases?

[Steffen Dünner]

Thanks for confirming my first impressions :)
That's what I meant by "ancient". I hoped that such a brand new
architecture would offer me a more modern concept of material editing.
The RayGL mode is awesome though!


2012/6/19 Toonafish 

>  Neh, unfortunately the Render Tree in Modo is not node based. I works
> more like Photoshop layers, just like in Lightwave, but a bit more
> advanced. There are some advantages over the Render Tree in Softimage, but
> even in a medium complex scene it becomes extemely flaky and very
> confusing.
>
> -Ronald
>
>
>
> On 6/19/2012 12:55 PM, Steffen Dünner wrote:
>
> 2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle 
>
>> especially their render tree
>
>
> They have a render tree? Node based?
> Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack that
> felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature
> description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in it.
>
>  Cheers
> Steffen
> --
> PGP-ID(RSA): 0xCCE2E989 / 0xE045734C CCE2E989
> Fingerprint: 394B 3DA9 9A9A 96C6  3A5A 0595 EF92 EE1F
>
>


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Re: price increases?

[Toonafish]

Neh, unfortunately the Render Tree in Modo is not node based. I works 
more like Photoshop layers, just like in Lightwave, but a bit more 
advanced. There are some advantages over the Render Tree in Softimage, 
but even in a medium complex scene it becomes extemely flaky and very 
confusing.


-Ronald


On 6/19/2012 12:55 PM, Steffen Dünner wrote:
2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle >


especially their render tree


They have a render tree? Node based?
Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack 
that felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature 
description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in it.


Cheers
Steffen
--
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Fingerprint: 394B 3DA9 9A9A 96C6  3A5A 0595 EF92 EE1F

Re: price increases?

[Steffen Dünner]

2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle 

> especially their render tree


They have a render tree? Node based?
Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack that
felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature
description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in it.

Cheers
Steffen
-- 
PGP-ID(RSA): 0xCCE2E989 / 0xE045734C CCE2E989
Fingerprint: 394B 3DA9 9A9A 96C6  3A5A 0595 EF92 EE1F

Re: price increases?

[Thomas Helzle]

Good to hear that more people let their subscription lapse.
This business model makes it way too easy to feed crap to the customer.
While I basically understand that it is great for the developer to have a
fixed income, I can't see how it would keep people on their toes if I can't
vote with my updating.

I'm wary of Adobes new policies too, but they at least offer an
alternative, although I am VERY cautious about the current cheap prices for
their rental - as soon as most people no longer have normal licenses, they
are free to increase the rental price. And they just killed most of the
large second hand software market in one bold strike too.
Thankfully, I need less and less of Adobes tools, so this isn't as big of a
problem.
Initially I planned to do my new fullscreen-website in Flash, but in the
end decided on HTML5, which I did mostly in a text editor and  with open
source tools - turned out just fine: http://www.screendream.de ;-)

I'm really curious how the software market will develop in the near future
- on one hand you have the cheap apple model, a professional app for 35 to
250 euro so almost everybody can afford it, on the other hand you have
heavy handed Autodeskish companies who try to get us back to the silicon
graphics days. I'm wary of both, but thankfully there is still a "normal"
software market left.
modo 601 may not be the tool for full on feature film production, but in my
experience, it works much better than I would have expected (especially
their render tree) and I like it that I just downloaded SP2 which again
fixes a lot of bugs after SP1 did the same just some weeks ago.
For Freelancers and small companies, it definitely is worth a try.
At least it works for me :-)
SItoM anybody?

Cheers,

Tom

On 18 June 2012 20:06, Simon Van de Lagemaat wrote:

> I love Modo but it is in NO way ready for even moderate production loads.
> I know because I've tried to implement it here for commercial production
> and there are quite a few roadblocks that hold it back.  That's not to say
> it isn't capable on smaller jobs, it most certainly is. 
>
> ** **
>
> As it stands now the core of the program is not able to deal with the
> heavy lifting that comes up in film and some commercials, both in
> capability and stability.  I also don't believe that the Lux guys want Modo
> to become a heavy lifting package that could replace Soft or Maya.  Right
> now Arnold and Soft are light years ahead of Modo in terms of stability and
> capabilty with a moderate to heavy production load.
>
> ** **
>
> That said I feel your pain, we've let our subscription lapse because we
> don't feel that 2013 warrants a paid upgrade.  I really feel like AD is
> holding us hostage with subscription fees, they force you into paying for
> upgrades that you don't feel are worth the cost simply because not paying
> for them is more expensive in the short term... of course all that does is
> make us not upgrade for a longer period of time to offset the penalty.  **
> **
>
> ** **
>
> I wish AD would shit or get off the pot and either move to standalone paid
> upgrades or go to a full rental model like Adobe has which is closer to a
> pay for play model.  At least that way we could properly budget licensing
> costs per project.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Szabolcs Matefy
> *Sent:* June-18-12 7:11 AM
>
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* RE: price increases?
>
> ** **
>
> Modo is one of the possible candidates. I was working with LW for four
> years, and I was working with modo for a while. It’s quite different, but
> it might be a good direction. Of course it’s just my opinion, my bosses
> will make the decision, but looking at the facts, if the price increase is
> that large, we probably wouldn’t renew our subscription. It’s not a fair
> way to pay for bugfixes. It’s like you buy a car, but wheel is working in
> the opposite direction.. You have to pay an additional fee for fixing the
> wheel? C’mon. Luxology seems to be delivering service packs addressing the
> issues
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> *On Behalf Of *olivier jeannel
> *Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:53 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: price increases?
>
> ** **
>
> "...we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product..."
> Which one ? ...just curious.
>
>
> Le 18/06/2012 15:38, Szabolcs Matefy a écrit : 
>
> To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, and
> the inc

RE: price increases?

[Simon Van de Lagemaat]

I love Modo but it is in NO way ready for even moderate production loads.  I 
know because I've tried to implement it here for commercial production and 
there are quite a few roadblocks that hold it back.  That's not to say it isn't 
capable on smaller jobs, it most certainly is.

As it stands now the core of the program is not able to deal with the heavy 
lifting that comes up in film and some commercials, both in capability and 
stability.  I also don't believe that the Lux guys want Modo to become a heavy 
lifting package that could replace Soft or Maya.  Right now Arnold and Soft are 
light years ahead of Modo in terms of stability and capabilty with a moderate 
to heavy production load.

That said I feel your pain, we've let our subscription lapse because we don't 
feel that 2013 warrants a paid upgrade.  I really feel like AD is holding us 
hostage with subscription fees, they force you into paying for upgrades that 
you don't feel are worth the cost simply because not paying for them is more 
expensive in the short term... of course all that does is make us not upgrade 
for a longer period of time to offset the penalty.

I wish AD would shit or get off the pot and either move to standalone paid 
upgrades or go to a full rental model like Adobe has which is closer to a pay 
for play model.  At least that way we could properly budget licensing costs per 
project.

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Szabolcs Matefy
Sent: June-18-12 7:11 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Modo is one of the possible candidates. I was working with LW for four years, 
and I was working with modo for a while. It's quite different, but it might be 
a good direction. Of course it's just my opinion, my bosses will make the 
decision, but looking at the facts, if the price increase is that large, we 
probably wouldn't renew our subscription. It's not a fair way to pay for 
bugfixes. It's like you buy a car, but wheel is working in the opposite 
direction.. You have to pay an additional fee for fixing the wheel? C'mon. 
Luxology seems to be delivering service packs addressing the issues


From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of olivier jeannel
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:53 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?

"...we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product..."
Which one ? ...just curious.


Le 18/06/2012 15:38, Szabolcs Matefy a écrit :
To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, and the 
increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable 
product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay for bugfixes? Why 
should I pay money for delivering useless, untested stuff? It's not against the 
excellent guys at support (hats off for you guys, you really rock), but 
Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And that'll lead to increased software piracy, 
it's sure.




From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Williams, Wayne
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due 
to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even 
more?!"

You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it 
roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so 
Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money. Will 
probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion but 
monopolistic price gouging isn't a sustainable business model due to various 
factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, 
higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there. They also  extremely 
piss off much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices  which 
makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is when 
competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer base away. It 
may be that the competition has the same sort of product for a cheaper price, 
or it may be they offer something that does more than what Autodesk software 
can do but at the same price.  Eventually, this results in an equilibrium of 
prices for goods and services being made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, 
but this price exploration is something that is desirable in the long term. 
It's one of the things which

RE: price increases?

[Szabolcs Matefy]

Modo is one of the possible candidates. I was working with LW for four years, 
and I was working with modo for a while. It's quite different, but it might be 
a good direction. Of course it's just my opinion, my bosses will make the 
decision, but looking at the facts, if the price increase is that large, we 
probably wouldn't renew our subscription. It's not a fair way to pay for 
bugfixes. It's like you buy a car, but wheel is working in the opposite 
direction.. You have to pay an additional fee for fixing the wheel? C'mon. 
Luxology seems to be delivering service packs addressing the issues

 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of olivier jeannel
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:53 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

 

"...we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product..."
Which one ? ...just curious.


Le 18/06/2012 15:38, Szabolcs Matefy a écrit : 

To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, and the 
increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable 
product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay for bugfixes? Why 
should I pay money for delivering useless, untested stuff? It's not against the 
excellent guys at support (hats off for you guys, you really rock), but 
Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And that'll lead to increased software piracy, 
it's sure.

 

 

 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Williams, Wayne
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

 

"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due 
to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even 
more?!"

 

You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it 
roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so 
Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money. Will 
probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion but 
monopolistic price gouging isn't a sustainable business model due to various 
factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, 
higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there. They also  extremely 
piss off much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices  which 
makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is when 
competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer base away. It 
may be that the competition has the same sort of product for a cheaper price, 
or it may be they offer something that does more than what Autodesk software 
can do but at the same price.  Eventually, this results in an equilibrium of 
prices for goods and services being made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, 
but this price exploration is something that is desirable in the long term. 
It's one of the things which drives innovation, competition and helps producers 
to determine what is the right price for their product. Non-market based 
external factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy 
(typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, 
no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient one our species has 
observed to date for the allocation of resources. 

 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Morris
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

 

I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due 
to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even 
more?!

 

I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price 
policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a worldwide 
recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being squeezed, I have no 
idea how they are validating these decisions.

 

 

 

On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker  wrote:

On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word 
> about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.

+1


I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.

It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.

If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which ar

Re: price increases?

[olivier jeannel]

"...we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable product..."
Which one ? ...just curious.


Le 18/06/2012 15:38, Szabolcs Matefy a écrit :


To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, 
and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, 
more reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay 
for bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested 
stuff? It's not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for 
you guys, you really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And 
that'll lead to increased software piracy, it's sure.


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Williams, Wayne

*Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* RE: price increases?

"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my 
subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the 
prices going up even more?!"


You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it 
does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough 
people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or 
hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for 
the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a 
sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the 
demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums 
so they wind up losing customers there. They also  extremely piss off 
much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices  which 
makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is 
when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer 
base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of product 
for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does more 
than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price.  Eventually, 
this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being 
made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is 
something that is desirable in the long term. It's one of the things 
which drives innovation, competition and helps producers to determine 
what is the right price for their product. Non-market based external 
factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy 
(typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, 
tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient 
one our species has observed to date for the allocation of resources.


*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] 
<mailto:[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]> *On Behalf 
Of *Matt Morris

*Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

*Subject:* Re: price increases?

I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my 
subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the 
prices going up even more?!


I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price 
policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a 
worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being 
squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.


On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <mailto:bauero...@gmx.de>> wrote:


On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard 
any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like 
subscription.


+1


I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.

It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.

If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.

This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.

I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even 
sell the full pack?


Cheers,


tim






On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:

Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard
any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally
like subscription.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle
mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>&g

RE: price increases?

[Szabolcs Matefy]

To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products, and the 
increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper, more reliable 
product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay for bugfixes? Why 
should I pay money for delivering useless, untested stuff? It's not against the 
excellent guys at support (hats off for you guys, you really rock), but 
Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And that'll lead to increased software piracy, 
it's sure.

 

 

 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Williams, Wayne
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

 

"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due 
to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even 
more?!"

 

You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it 
roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so 
Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money. Will 
probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion but 
monopolistic price gouging isn't a sustainable business model due to various 
factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, 
higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there. They also  extremely 
piss off much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices  which 
makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is when 
competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer base away. It 
may be that the competition has the same sort of product for a cheaper price, 
or it may be they offer something that does more than what Autodesk software 
can do but at the same price.  Eventually, this results in an equilibrium of 
prices for goods and services being made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, 
but this price exploration is something that is desirable in the long term. 
It's one of the things which drives innovation, competition and helps producers 
to determine what is the right price for their product. Non-market based 
external factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy 
(typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, 
no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient one our species has 
observed to date for the allocation of resources. 

 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Morris
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

 

I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due 
to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even 
more?!

 

I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price 
policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a worldwide 
recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being squeezed, I have no 
idea how they are validating these decisions.

 

 

 

On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker  wrote:

On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word 
> about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.

+1


I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.

It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.

If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.

This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.

I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell the 
full pack?

Cheers,


tim






On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:

Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any 
word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that 
in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
   They say this will be effective from February 2013.

   I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be 
surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage 
XSI is rea

RE: price increases?

[Williams, Wayne]

"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due 
to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even 
more?!"

You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it does, it 
roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough people do so 
Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or hemorrhage money. Will 
probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for the contrarian opinion but 
monopolistic price gouging isn't a sustainable business model due to various 
factors, most notably the demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, 
higher premiums so they wind up losing customers there. They also  extremely 
piss off much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices  which 
makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is when 
competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer base away. It 
may be that the competition has the same sort of product for a cheaper price, 
or it may be they offer something that does more than what Autodesk software 
can do but at the same price.  Eventually, this results in an equilibrium of 
prices for goods and services being made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, 
but this price exploration is something that is desirable in the long term. 
It's one of the things which drives innovation, competition and helps producers 
to determine what is the right price for their product. Non-market based 
external factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy 
(typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies, tax breaks, 
no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient one our species has 
observed to date for the allocation of resources.


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Morris
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs due 
to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going up even 
more?!

I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price 
policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a worldwide 
recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being squeezed, I have no 
idea how they are validating these decisions.



On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker 
mailto:bauero...@gmx.de>> wrote:
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word 
> about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.

+1


I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.

It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.

If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.

This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.

I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell the 
full pack?

Cheers,


tim





On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word 
about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle 
mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

   The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an 
official mail from my reseller a month ago.
   They say this will be effective from February 2013.

   I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised - I 
guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is really 
worth every penny, it
   used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)

   Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.

   Cheers,

   Tom

   On 14 June 2012 20:57, mailto:pete...@skynet.be> 
<mailto:pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>> wrote:

   nope - a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
   *From:* Thomas Helzle 
<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>
   *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
   *To:* 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
   *Subject:* Re: price increases?

   &

Re: price increases?

[Matt Morris]

I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my subs
due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the prices going
up even more?!

I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price
policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a
worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being
squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.




On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker  wrote:

> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> > Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any
> word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like
> subscription.
>
>
> +1
>
>
> I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
> one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
>
> It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
> my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
> dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
>
> If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
> and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
> which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
> I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
>
> This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
>
> I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell
> the full pack?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
>
>> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any
>> word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like
>> subscription.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle 
>> > thomashel...@gmail.com**>> wrote:
>>
>>The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in
>> an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
>>They say this will be effective from February 2013.
>>
>>I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be
>> surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And
>> Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
>>used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
>>
>>Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>On 14 June 2012 20:57, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
>>*From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com**>
>>*Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
>>*To:* 
>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com> softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com >
>>*Subject:* Re: price increases?
>>
>>"bets"?
>>They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
>>Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can
>> be very effective.
>>Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed
>> to extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit
>> reluctant to let go of
>>possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
>>It's easily fixed with the:
>>S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
>>Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is
>> guaranteed.
>>Enjoy your stay ;-)
>>Cheers,
>>Tom
>>
>>On 14 June 2012 19:59, > pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
>>
>>a little fairy told me today...
>>in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on
>> licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of
>> the cost of new licenses.
>>
>>all bets are on.
>>
>>
>>-Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
>>
>>To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.__**com > softimage@listproc.**autodesk.com >
>>
>>Subject: RE: price increases?
>>
>>It's a North American price change.
>>I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the
>> world.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: 
>> softimage-bounces@listproc.__a**utodesk.com<http://autodesk.com>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com>
>> [mailto:softim

Re: price increases?

[Tim Leydecker]

On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word 
about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.


+1


I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.

It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.

If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.

This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.

I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even sell the 
full pack?

Cheers,


tim




On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:

Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word 
about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an 
official mail from my reseller a month ago.
They say this will be effective from February 2013.

I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised - I guess it's more the 
question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)

Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.

Cheers,

Tom


On 14 June 2012 20:57, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:

nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
*From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
*Subject:* Re: price increases?
"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be 
very effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to 
extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit reluctant 
to let go of
possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
It's easily fixed with the:
S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
Enjoy your stay ;-)
Cheers,
Tom

On 14 June 2012 19:59, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> 
wrote:

a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on 
licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the 
cost of new licenses.

all bets are on.


-Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM

    To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.__com 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the 
world.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
[mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of 
pete...@skynet.be <mailto:pete...@skynet.be>
    Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.__com 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: price increases?

but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 
% in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)


-Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.__com 
<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: price increases?

The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be 
something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@__listproc.autodesk.com 
<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softim

Re: price increases?

[Byron Nash]

Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard any word
about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like subscription.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle wrote:

> The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an
> official mail from my reseller a month ago.
> They say this will be effective from February 2013.
>
> I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised -
> I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is
> really worth every penny, it used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
>
> Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 14 June 2012 20:57,  wrote:
>
>>   nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Thomas Helzle 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* Re: price increases?
>>
>> "bets"?
>> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
>> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very
>> effective.
>> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to
>> extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit
>> reluctant to let go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
>>
>> It's easily fixed with the:
>> S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
>>
>> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
>>
>> Enjoy your stay ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On 14 June 2012 19:59,  wrote:
>>
>>> a little fairy told me today...
>>> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on
>>> licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of
>>> the cost of new licenses.
>>>
>>> all bets are on.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
>>>
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>>
>>> It's a North American price change.
>>> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
>>> Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>>
>>> but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
>>> europe and 20% in japan.
>>> (sorry, couldn't resist)
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>>
>>> The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be
>>> something
>>> on the order of 5%, I believe.
>>> I don't have the actual prices atm.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
>>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Matt Lind
>>> Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>>
>>> What are the new prices for new licenses?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
>>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>>
>>> Subscription prices do not change.
>>> Price changes apply to new licenses.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
>>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>>> On Behalf Of David
>>> Gallagher
>>> Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
>>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the new subscription pr

Re: price increases?

[Thomas Helzle]

The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got that in an
official mail from my reseller a month ago.
They say this will be effective from February 2013.

I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be surprised - I
guess it's more the question of "when" than "if". And Softimage XSI is
really worth every penny, it used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)

Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.

Cheers,

Tom


On 14 June 2012 20:57,  wrote:

>   nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
>
>
>
>  *From:* Thomas Helzle 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: price increases?
>
> "bets"?
> They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
> Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very
> effective.
> Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to
> extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit
> reluctant to let go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
>
> It's easily fixed with the:
> S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
>
> Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.
>
> Enjoy your stay ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
> On 14 June 2012 19:59,  wrote:
>
>> a little fairy told me today...
>> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on
>> licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of
>> the cost of new licenses.
>>
>> all bets are on.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
>>
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>
>> It's a North American price change.
>> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
>> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
>> Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>
>> but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
>> europe and 20% in japan.
>> (sorry, couldn't resist)
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>
>> The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
>> on the order of 5%, I believe.
>> I don't have the actual prices atm.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Lind
>> Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>
>> What are the new prices for new licenses?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: RE: price increases?
>>
>> Subscription prices do not change.
>> Price changes apply to new licenses.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
>> On Behalf Of David
>> Gallagher
>> Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
>> Subject: Re: price increases?
>>
>>
>> What are the new subscription prices?
>>
>>
>> On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
>>
>>> You know,
>>>
>>> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
>>> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>>>
>>> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
>>> for
>>> 400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
>>> industry, small.
>>>
>>> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>>>
>>> -eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>>>
>>>> yeah, got 

Re: price increases?

[peter_b]

nope – a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.



From: Thomas Helzle 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: price increases?

"bets"?  
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-) 
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very 
effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to extract 
shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit reluctant to let 
go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.

It's easily fixed with the:
S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.

Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.

Enjoy your stay ;-)

Cheers,

Tom


On 14 June 2012 19:59,  wrote:

  a little fairy told me today...
  in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance 
for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.

  all bets are on. 


  -Original Message- From: Stephen Blair

  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM 

  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: RE: price increases?

  It's a North American price change.
  I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.

  -Original Message-
  From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
  Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: Re: price increases?

  but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
  europe and 20% in japan.
  (sorry, couldn't resist)


  -Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: RE: price increases?

  The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
  on the order of 5%, I believe.
  I don't have the actual prices atm.

  -Original Message-
  From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
  Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: RE: price increases?

  What are the new prices for new licenses?




  -Original Message-
  From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
  Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: RE: price increases?

  Subscription prices do not change.
  Price changes apply to new licenses.


  -Original Message-
  From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David
  Gallagher
  Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: Re: price increases?


  What are the new subscription prices?


  On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:

You know,

I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.

I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
for
400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.

what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.

-eric



On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:

  yeah, got some funny emails as well.
  It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
  back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
  enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
  I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
  is a fantastic thing to happen.


  I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.


  Cheers,


  Tom


  http://www.screendream.de

  On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
wrote:
  Nevermind - I found it here:

  http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218
  63


  So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
  August.


  On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
    wrote:
  Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
  have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
  it just CAD products?



  http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231
  12


  -Paul

Re: price increases?

[Thomas Helzle]

"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions they can be very
effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are needed to
extract shareholder value from customers who might have become a bit
reluctant to let go of possessions, even if it's for the greater good.

It's easily fixed with the:
S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.

Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash, is guaranteed.

Enjoy your stay ;-)

Cheers,

Tom

On 14 June 2012 19:59,  wrote:

> a little fairy told me today...
> in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on
> licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of
> the cost of new licenses.
>
> all bets are on.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
>
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> It's a North American price change.
> I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com[mailto:
> softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
> Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: Re: price increases?
>
> but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
> europe and 20% in japan.
> (sorry, couldn't resist)
>
>
> -----Original Message- From: Stephen Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
> on the order of 5%, I believe.
> I don't have the actual prices atm.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of Matt Lind
> Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> What are the new prices for new licenses?
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: RE: price increases?
>
> Subscription prices do not change.
> Price changes apply to new licenses.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> softimage-bounces@listproc.**autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com]
> On Behalf Of David
> Gallagher
> Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com 
> Subject: Re: price increases?
>
>
> What are the new subscription prices?
>
>
> On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
>
>> You know,
>>
>> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
>> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>>
>> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
>> for
>> 400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
>> industry, small.
>>
>> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>>
>>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
>>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
>>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.screendream.de
>>>
>>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>> >
>>>  wrote:
>>> Nevermind - I found it here:
>>>
>>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/**servlet/pc/index?siteID=**
>>> 123112&id=192218<http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218>
>>> 63
>>>
>>>
>>> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>> August.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>> 
>>> >
>>>  wrote:
>>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>> have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
>>> it just CAD products?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/**servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&**
>>> siteID=1231<http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231>
>>> 12
>>>
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

RE: price increases?

[Williams, Wayne]

Autodesk hedging their Euro positions haha! 

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:00 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on licenses/maintenance 
for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of the cost of new licenses.

all bets are on.

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in europe 
and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)


-Original Message-
From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something on 
the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

What are the new prices for new licenses?




-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
>
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and 
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling 
> for
> 400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the 
> industry, small.
>
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>
> -eric
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions 
>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny 
>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this 
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>
>>
>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> http://www.screendream.de
>>
>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>   wrote:
>>  Nevermind - I found it here:
>>
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218
>> 63
>>
>>
>>  So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>  August.
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>wrote:
>>  Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>  have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
>>  it just CAD products?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231
>> 12
>>
>>
>>  -Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: price increases?

[peter_b]

a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase on 
licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at about 75% of 
the cost of new licenses.


all bets are on.

-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Blair

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of 
pete...@skynet.be

Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)


-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Blair

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

What are the new prices for new licenses?




-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David
Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:

You know,

I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.

I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
for
400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.

what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.

-eric



On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:

yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
is a fantastic thing to happen.


I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.


Cheers,


Tom


http://www.screendream.de

On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
  wrote:
 Nevermind - I found it here:

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218
63


 So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
 August.


 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
   wrote:
     Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
 have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
 it just CAD products?



http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231
12


 -Paul

RE: price increases?

[Stephen Blair]

It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest of the world.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?

but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in 
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)


-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something 
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

What are the new prices for new licenses?




-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David 
Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
>
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
> for
> 400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
> industry, small.
>
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>
> -eric
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>
>>
>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> http://www.screendream.de
>>
>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>   wrote:
>>  Nevermind - I found it here:
>>
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218
>> 63
>>
>>
>>  So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>  August.
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>wrote:
>>  Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>  have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
>>  it just CAD products?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231
>> 12
>>
>>
>>  -Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



<>

Re: price increases?

[Rob Wuijster]

In this financial climate, it's always nice to hear prices go UP... :-\


Rob

\/-\/\/


On 12-6-2012 1:03, David Gallagher wrote:


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:

You know,

I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.

I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling for
400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.

what is happening and has been happening with this is just
$%#@ed up.

-eric



On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:

yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back,
but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
is a fantastic thing to happen.


I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.


Cheers,


Tom


http://www.screendream.de

On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
  wrote:
 Nevermind - I found it here:
 
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=19221863



 So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
 August.


 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
  wrote:
 Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
 have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
 it just CAD products?


 
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=123112



 -Paul













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Re: price increases?

[peter_b]

but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency, we'll see 10 % in 
europe and 20% in japan.

(sorry, couldn't resist)


-Original Message- 
From: Stephen Blair

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something 
on the order of 5%, I believe.

I don't have the actual prices atm.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind

Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

What are the new prices for new licenses?




-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David 
Gallagher

Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:

You know,

I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.

I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling
for
400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.

what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.

-eric



On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:

yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions
back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny
enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
is a fantastic thing to happen.


I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.


Cheers,


Tom


http://www.screendream.de

On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
  wrote:
 Nevermind - I found it here:

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218
63


 So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
 August.


 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
   wrote:
     Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
 have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
 it just CAD products?



http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231
12


 -Paul

RE: price increases?

[Stephen Blair]

The price increase for commercial US and Canada licenses will be something on 
the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

What are the new prices for new licenses?




-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
 

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
>
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and 
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling 
> for
> 400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the 
> industry, small.
>
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>
> -eric
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions 
>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny 
>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this 
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>
>>
>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> http://www.screendream.de
>>
>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>   wrote:
>>  Nevermind - I found it here:
>>  
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218
>> 63
>>
>>
>>  So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>  August.
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>wrote:
>>  Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>  have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
>>  it just CAD products?
>>
>>
>>  
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231
>> 12
>>
>>
>>  -Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



<>

RE: price increases?

[Matt Lind]

What are the new prices for new licenses?




-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: price increases?

Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
 

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
>
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and 
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling 
> for
> 400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the 
> industry, small.
>
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just $%#@ed up.
>
> -eric
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions 
>> back, but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny 
>> enough was increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this 
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>
>>
>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> http://www.screendream.de
>>
>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>   wrote:
>>  Nevermind - I found it here:
>>  
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218
>> 63
>>
>>
>>  So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>  August.
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>wrote:
>>  Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>  have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
>>  it just CAD products?
>>
>>
>>  
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231
>> 12
>>
>>
>>  -Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

RE: price increases?

[Stephen Blair]

Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
 

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: price increases?


What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
> You know,
>
> I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
> softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
>
> I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling for
> 400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
> industry, small.
>
> what is happening and has been happening with this is just
> $%#@ed up.
>
> -eric
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
>> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
>> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back,
>> but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
>> increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
>> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
>> is a fantastic thing to happen.
>>
>>
>> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> http://www.screendream.de
>>
>> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>>   wrote:
>>  Nevermind - I found it here:
>>  
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=19221863
>>
>>
>>  So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
>>  August.
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>>wrote:
>>  Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
>>  have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
>>  it just CAD products?
>>
>>
>>  
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=123112
>>
>>
>>  -Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

<>

Re: price increases?

[David Gallagher]

What are the new subscription prices?


On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:

You know,

I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.

I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling for
400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.

what is happening and has been happening with this is just
$%#@ed up.

-eric



On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:

yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back,
but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
is a fantastic thing to happen.


I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.


Cheers,


Tom


http://www.screendream.de

On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
  wrote:
 Nevermind - I found it here:
 http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=19221863


 So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
 August.


 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
   wrote:
 Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
 have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
 it just CAD products?


 
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=123112


 -Paul

Re: price increases?

[Eric Gunther]

You know,

I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.

I initially got softimage (decided to use it) because it was selling for
400 bucks or something.  Seemed like a good way to get into the
industry, small.

what is happening and has been happening with this is just 
$%#@ed up.

-eric



On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
> yeah, got some funny emails as well.
> It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back,
> but have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
> increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
> I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this
> is a fantastic thing to happen.
> 
> 
> I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> http://www.screendream.de
> 
> On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
>  wrote:
> Nevermind - I found it here:
> 
> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=19221863 
> 
> 
> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in
> August.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold
>  wrote:
> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that
> have been announced?  Will it affect Softimage or is
> it just CAD products?
> 
> 
> 
> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=123112
> 
> 
> -Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: price increases?

[Thomas Helzle]

yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up to 6 or 7 versions back, but
have to pay 70% of the full original price (which funny enough was
increased quite considerably for XSI not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be able to explain why this is a
fantastic thing to happen.

I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.

Cheers,

Tom

http://www.screendream.de

On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold  wrote:

> Nevermind - I found it here:
> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=19221863
>
> So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in August.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold <
> pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that have been announced?
>>  Will it affect Softimage or is it just CAD products?
>>
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=123112
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>>
>

Re: price increases?

[Paul Griswold]

Nevermind - I found it here:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=19221863

So it looks like we're all going to see a price increase in August.


On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul Griswold <
pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com> wrote:

> Can anyone from AD discuss the price increases that have been announced?
>  Will it affect Softimage or is it just CAD products?
>
> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=123112
>
> -Paul
>
>