Re: Another site that doesn't work any more

[WCJ]

stan wrote:

And the site is:

http://brickyhaven.proboards.com/index.cgi?


Works fine for me.  SM on Linux.
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Re: Spam in e-mails...?

[Cedar]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Cedar wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Cedar wrote:

Something is marking some of my e-mails with [spam], is this new
version of sm doing this? or would it more likely be avg antivirus
or something?


Cedar, when you say "Something is marking some of my e-mails with
[spam]", what do you mean??

The others have told you that your ISP may be marking your mail with
SpamAssassin and such, but are you meaning that when you look at an
email, you get a line in the display saying something like "SeaMonkey
thinks this is a Spam message"? (or is that "Scam" or "Junk"?).

If it's "Junk", you can train SM so that it recognises Junk and
automatically removes the message to your Junk file, or deletes it.

If it says "Scam", I don't know that you can train SM to do anything,
except to let you know which messages it thinks are sus...

Daniel


Wow! Thanks for all the responses, guys! Daniel: What I mean is pretty
much exactly what I stated earlier, the subject lines are being
altered with this exact term [SPAM] inserted at the beginning of each
of the ones it thinks are spam. I think I might have it figured out
now, as I found a place in avg to configure choices that sound exactly
like this...so, hopefully, that does the trick!


Here's hoping!!

Daniel


Yes indeed, and please let us know the result!

Lee


Yep!  Looks like that was it, sorry for bugging you guys on this one 
needlessly (but my hair was gettin' thinner by the minute...don't 
even know why that spam thing bugs me so much!)  Anyway, I've received a 
few e-mails that were previously marked with this spam marking, that 
today do not have spam added in to the subject line.  So...thanks 
anyway, guys.

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Re: Spam in e-mails...?

[Leonidas Jones]

Daniel wrote:

Cedar wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Cedar wrote:

Something is marking some of my e-mails with [spam], is this new
version of sm doing this? or would it more likely be avg antivirus
or something?


Cedar, when you say "Something is marking some of my e-mails with
[spam]", what do you mean??

The others have told you that your ISP may be marking your mail with
SpamAssassin and such, but are you meaning that when you look at an
email, you get a line in the display saying something like "SeaMonkey
thinks this is a Spam message"? (or is that "Scam" or "Junk"?).

If it's "Junk", you can train SM so that it recognises Junk and
automatically removes the message to your Junk file, or deletes it.

If it says "Scam", I don't know that you can train SM to do anything,
except to let you know which messages it thinks are sus...

Daniel


Wow! Thanks for all the responses, guys! Daniel: What I mean is pretty
much exactly what I stated earlier, the subject lines are being
altered with this exact term [SPAM] inserted at the beginning of each
of the ones it thinks are spam. I think I might have it figured out
now, as I found a place in avg to configure choices that sound exactly
like this...so, hopefully, that does the trick!


Here's hoping!!

Daniel


Yes indeed, and please let us know the result!

Lee
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Re: Spam in e-mails...?

[Daniel]

Cedar wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Cedar wrote:
Something is marking some of my e-mails with [spam], is this new 
version of sm doing this?  or would it more likely be avg antivirus 
or something?


Cedar, when you say "Something is marking some of my e-mails with 
[spam]", what do you mean??


The others have told you that your ISP may be marking your mail with 
SpamAssassin and such, but are you meaning that when you look at an 
email, you get a line in the display saying something like "SeaMonkey 
thinks this is a Spam message"? (or is that "Scam" or "Junk"?).


If it's "Junk", you can train SM so that it recognises Junk and 
automatically removes the message to your Junk file, or deletes it.


If it says "Scam", I don't know that you can train SM to do anything, 
except to let you know which messages it thinks are sus...


Daniel


Wow!  Thanks for all the responses, guys!  Daniel:  What I mean is 
pretty much exactly what I stated earlier, the subject lines are being 
altered with this exact term [SPAM] inserted at the beginning of each of 
the ones it thinks are spam.   I think I might have it figured out now, 
as I found a place in avg to configure choices that sound exactly like 
this...so, hopefully, that does the trick!


Here's hoping!!

Daniel
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Re: The times...they are a'changing

[Daniel]

»Q« wrote:

In ,
Leonidas Jones  wrote:


Daniel wrote:



Lee, I know MS wanted to re-set my clock over the week end,
thinking we have finished Daylight Savings, but we didn't, so I had
to re-adjust my clock!

This may explain how you managed to reply to my post before I
posted my post!

Or is your ESP working overtime??

Daniel

Clocks seem right from here. The time stamp here says 7:46, EDT,
which should be right.


Lee's timestamps are ok.  But Daniel, yours are off by an hour.  If MS
automagically switched you off DST, it changed both the clock and the
offset from UTC, but it looks like you fixed only the clock without
fixing the offset.



Yea, I'd believe that.

We're off DST this week end, so I'll worry about it then!!

Daniel
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Re: hostperm.1 and permissions.sqlite

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Terry R. wrote:
The date and time was Monday, March 30, 2009 3:05:59 PM, and on a whim, 
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo pounded out on the keyboard:



SM 1.1.15

Is anyone else having a similar problem:

you have something opened, like SM Mail. You click on compose, and you 
have to wait and wait and wait.  The task manager says the program is 
not responding.  After a minute, then the compose window opens and 
everything is back to normal, until you open something else.  You 
could open the browser, or bookmark manager, or whatever, and you just 
wait.


I've tracked mine down to hostperm.1.  If I close the program and 
remove it, then reopen and things work great again.


I've noticed the same problem with FF3.  When I click to open it, it 
would take a few minutes.  I could click on it again and a window 
would open. I would close that, and the original click would finally 
open.  I removed permissions.sqlite and things would be back to normal.


So, anyone else having any similar problems?



I haven't noticed any issues with hostperm.1.

I have found that the constant sqlite updating of so many files in FF 
causes a lot more issues than it's worth IMO.  I don't think most users 
need the repeated updating of the 6 files.


On one network I admin, all laptop users stopped using FF3 because the 
backup software wasn't configurable enough to exclude all the sqlite 
files, and the backup was constantly writing to the server and bogging 
down the performance.  So it was a double whammy, constant sqlite 
updating and constant backing up.  On another network, I was able to set 
up a FF profile in the backup software and exclude the sqlite files from 
updating constantly during the day, but have them backup once on shutdown.




Terry R.


so, from what you said, sqlite is the craps.

I hated it when FF took about 5 to 10 minutes to delete 
my SM bookmarks.


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Re: server pop

[Mark Hansen]

On 03/31/09 09:24, none wrote:
> Hello,   I am so new to this programme.I do not understand.I 
> keep getting msg:  cannot connect to server pop3.
> 
> What in Heaven's Name can I do

The POP server is what SeaMonkey connects to when getting e-mail
messages from your ISP. You've probably already created an e-mail
account in SeaMonkey, so go to Edit -> Mail & Newsgroups Account
Settings, then in the left navigation area, click on Server
Settings under your e-mail account.

Here, the server type should be POP (or something like that). Check
that the settings are those suggested by your ISP. If you're not
sure what they should be, check the Support page at your ISP. It
may take some looking around, but they should have a page which
explains what settings they need.

Does that help?
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Re: Cannot send email

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

none wrote:


i cannot send emails eitherI always get 'cannot find server pop'


that has nothing to do with sending email.  POP is 
receiving your mail.  SMTP is sending


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Re: server pop

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

none wrote:
Hello,   I am so new to this programme.I do not understand.I 
keep getting msg:  cannot connect to server pop3.


What in Heaven's Name can I do


make sure you've got the correct pop settings.  If you 
don't know what they are, then contact your email provider


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Re: Cannot send email

[none]

u...@domain.invalid wrote:
After a re-install, I no longer can send emails out.  (I can receive 
them) I get a message which says "An error occurred while sending 
email.The Mail Server responded:5.7.0 must issue a STARTTLS command 
first. 9SM8659896YWF.36. Please verify that your email address is 
correct in your mail preferences and try again."

I've verified, the address is correct and I still can't send email.
Please help.
Thanks.
My email address is kathn...@telus.net..i am so frustrated with this 
programme.   I don't have a choice right now but to try and understand 
it.   What I know is that Linux is an excellant programmebut I think 
 it's for folks unlike myself


i cannot send emails eitherI always get 'cannot find server pop'
I must admit I would need a step by step instruction.   It would be much 
like teaching someone a new language.I only want to learn how to do 
email right now and then learn to take advantage of some of the other 
amazing capabilities Linux has to offer Pls help with the error msg. 
'cannot connect to server pop'..


I'M SORRY I CANNOT HELP YOU WITH YOUR QUESTION.I DO INDEED HOPE YOU 
FIND YOUR ANSWERS..TRULY,   KATHLEEN,   VICTORIA, BRITISH COLUMBIA

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server pop

[none]

Hello,   I am so new to this programme.I do not understand.I 
keep getting msg:  cannot connect to server pop3.


What in Heaven's Name can I do
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Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0

[Ray_Net]

googl...@kwcpa.com wrote:

On Apr 1, 9:21 am, Ray_Net  wrote:

Terry R. wrote:

The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:48:11 PM, and on a whim,
googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard:

On Mar 31, 7:11 pm, "Terry R."  wrote:

The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:03:07 PM, and on a whim,
googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard:

On Mar 31, 4:54 pm, Ray_Net 
wrote:

googl...@kwcpa.com wrote:

On Mar 30, 6:58 pm, Ray_Net 
wrote:

googl...@kwcpa.com wrote:

Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I
composed in HTML.  In HTML, there was a blank line before the line
that starts "Me".  When I go into the sent folder and do a view ->
message source, the blank line is there (although the message
has been
converted totext).
However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent
it to
myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank
line
is MISSING.  Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message
and
it becomes very hard to read.
OUTPUT OF "VIEW -> MESSAGE SOURCE"
From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080
X-Mozilla-
Keys:
Message-ID: [omitted]
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400
From: [omitted]
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:
1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:[omitted]
Subject: This Week...
Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
this week)
If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
ASAP.
Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.
/j
WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER
OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
this week)
If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
ASAP.
Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.
/j

Thanks for furnishing us an pseudo-working example.
I do your test.
It seems that only you have a problem ...
My RESULT IS CORRECT: Have a look 
Subject: TEST CONVERSION
Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=2
X-UIDL: (%l!!\pP!!""i!!joZ"!
OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
this week)
If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
ASAP.
Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.

You gottext, not HTML

/j

You always speak about a conversion ...there is no conversion needed.
In the case you furnishedThe inputtextin plaintext, so the mail
is also plaintext. All is NORMAL.
You said also "the blank line is MISSING. " ...i used your inputtextas
test, and i did not have any blank line missing as you show us.
So YOUR pc have a problem  not mine.
SM is WORKING PERFECTLY.
If you want to sent a mail in HTML format, please furnish him an
HTMLtext.
AnyWay, you NEVER cannot force the recipient to read it in HTML
format.

I can't furnish in HTML, SM always converts it to plaintext.  and I
never said I wanted to force anyone to do anything (except for certain
readers to read the whole thread and take a request seriously) 8-}

Like I mentioned, if you insert a sig that has just one HTML element,
say a specific color or something of that sort, then it would be sent in
HTML.  Or use the Insert HTML and insert a horizontal line at the top or
bottom (i.e.  ). That will force it to be sent in HTML.
Terry R.
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Thanks Terry - I appreciate it, and I know many people (from postings
elsewhere) use this workaround.  I just thought that if there were so
many people working around something, it might make sense to request a
fix.
best regards
/j

I can see how it is confusing, although I agree with the method.  Most
of us write a message and send it off.  I compose in HTML and I have a
serif font as my default.  I have my settings set to send in HTML to
specific people in my AB, and because my sig file is an HTML file, it's
sent that way.
But if I don't have any specific HTML elements and I am composing in
HTML mode, TB is taking the privilege to send the message as it sees
fit, since there aren't any HTML elements included.
I would agree that if the user has the settings to compose in HTML, it
should be sent in HTML, EVEN if there is only a font setting as the
default.
Terry R.

How can i (as you said) compose in HTML if there is NOTHING in HTML ?
If there is nothing in HTML, SM have the right to send it in plaintext 
because it's a plain-texttext.

If you want that we try your problem ...tell us step by step how to get
your "the blank line is MISSING. " symptom.


There isn't "nothing" in HTML.  There is font sele

Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:21:36 AM, and on a 
whim, Ray_Net pounded out on the keyboard:


I can see how it is confusing, although I agree with the method.  Most 
of us write a message and send it off.  I compose in HTML and I have a 
serif font as my default.  I have my settings set to send in HTML to 
specific people in my AB, and because my sig file is an HTML file, it's 
sent that way.


But if I don't have any specific HTML elements and I am composing in 
HTML mode, TB is taking the privilege to send the message as it sees 
fit, since there aren't any HTML elements included.


I would agree that if the user has the settings to compose in HTML, it 
should be sent in HTML, EVEN if there is only a font setting as the 
default.



Terry R.

How can i (as you said) compose in HTML if there is NOTHING in HTML ?
If there is nothing in HTML, SM have the right to send it in plain 
text because it's a plain-text text.




Simple. You have two ways to compose messages, in Plain Text or HTML. 
Read what I said about the rest.  And I disagree.  A client doesn't have 
the RIGHT to send it plain text when the user is in the HTML mode 
composing a message.  If they wanted to send in PT, they would COMPOSE 
in PT.



If you want that we try your problem ...tell us step by step how to get
your "the blank line is MISSING. " symptom.


It's not my problem.



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Re: Spam in e-mails...?

[John Doue]

Keith Whaley wrote:

John Doue wrote:

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2009 10:35, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2009 09:01, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Cedar wrote:
Something is marking some of my e-mails with [spam], is this new 
version of sm doing this?  or would it more likely be avg 
antivirus or something?
If this is something like  [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 03.8/3.0], this 
is probably the antispam filter of your ISP or email provider. 
This feature (I call this a nuisance actually, but it can be use 
to filter incoming emails) can sometimes be turn off on the 
ISP/email provider site.




A "nuisance" ?? If you were one of my mail customers you would be 
singing a different tune. We flag over 8,000 spam messages daily, 
most of which are rejected by our blacklists (the customer never 
sees these).




Jay,

You misunderstood me, meaning I was not clear enough. Of course, 
spam filters are more than useful, they are a necessity (I am a 
spamcop user, I should know!).


What is a nuisance IMHO are ISP filters that let mail go through but 
add the spam score in the objet line. Unless this is user configurable.


Those scores should be transparent at the end user level.


Spamassassin is user-configurable, the default threshold is "5". Any 
message 5 or higher gets flagged. You, the user, can 
increase/decrease the default.


The issue raised by the OP was why should "SPAM" be inserted in the 
object of an email.



 > John Doue

***

Object? I know what the Subject line or 'bar' is, what is the Object? 
The body of the mail?


keith whaley


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Operation 2 for 1 - celebrating one year of Thunderbird bugday - day 2

[Wayne Mery]

Happy Birthday!

Check out the chart on the birthday blog at 
http://quality.mozilla.org/story/one-year-thunderbird-bugdays


To celebrate the first year of weekly bugdays for Thunderbird we are 
organizing a two day bugday (both on a Thursday) with a very special 
rule - *an incentive*. If you come and participate to the bug day and 
update at least two bugs we will assist you on one of your 
*mail-related* bugs (giving it triage love - trying to find a solution 
or a workaround for the bug). The first day will be running this 
Thursday, 2009-04-02!


Now is the perfect time to join the Thunderbird QA team as Thunderbird 
3.0 is approaching. You'll be participating in making sure that 3.0 
becomes the best release of Thunderbird - *you'll feel that the program 
you use daily is a bit more yours*.


The team has posted detailed instructions on what needs to be done, 
where to get help, and bugs that need attention at 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:QA_TestDay:2009-04-02 and there is 
an "Attend Event" link at 
http://quality.mozilla.org/events/2009/apr/02/operation-2-1-celebrating-one-year-thunderbird-bugday-day-2 
(note, due to a bug, the date is incorrectly listed as April 1. Bugday 
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Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0

[google00]

On Apr 1, 9:21 am, Ray_Net  wrote:
> Terry R. wrote:
> > The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:48:11 PM, and on a whim,
> > googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard:
>
> >> On Mar 31, 7:11 pm, "Terry R."  wrote:
> >>> The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:03:07 PM, and on a whim,
> >>> googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard:
>
>  On Mar 31, 4:54 pm, Ray_Net 
>  wrote:
> > googl...@kwcpa.com wrote:
> >> On Mar 30, 6:58 pm, Ray_Net 
> >> wrote:
> >>> googl...@kwcpa.com wrote:
>  Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I
>  composed in HTML.  In HTML, there was a blank line before the line
>  that starts "Me".  When I go into the sent folder and do a view ->
>  message source, the blank line is there (although the message
>  has been
>  converted totext).
>  However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent
>  it to
>  myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank
>  line
>  is MISSING.  Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message
>  and
>  it becomes very hard to read.
>  OUTPUT OF "VIEW -> MESSAGE SOURCE"
>  From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009
>  X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>  X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080
>  X-Mozilla-
>  Keys:
>  Message-ID: [omitted]
>  Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400
>  From: [omitted]
>  User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:
>  1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15
>  MIME-Version: 1.0
>  To:[omitted]
>  Subject: This Week...
>  Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>  OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
>  I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
>  Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
>  this week)
>  If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
>  ASAP.
>  Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.
>  /j
>  WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER
>  OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
>  I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
>  Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
>  this week)
>  If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
>  ASAP.
>  Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.
>  /j
> >>> Thanks for furnishing us an pseudo-working example.
> >>> I do your test.
> >>> It seems that only you have a problem ...
> >>> My RESULT IS CORRECT: Have a look 
> >>> Subject: TEST CONVERSION
> >>> Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >>> X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=2
> >>> X-UIDL: (%l!!\pP!!""i!!joZ"!
> >>> OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
> >>> I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
> >>> Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
> >>> this week)
> >>> If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
> >>> ASAP.
> >>> Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.
> >> You gottext, not HTML
> >> 
> >> /j
> > You always speak about a conversion ...there is no conversion needed.
> > In the case you furnishedThe inputtextin plaintext, so the mail
> > is also plaintext. All is NORMAL.
> > You said also "the blank line is MISSING. " ...i used your inputtextas
> > test, and i did not have any blank line missing as you show us.
> > So YOUR pc have a problem  not mine.
> > SM is WORKING PERFECTLY.
> > If you want to sent a mail in HTML format, please furnish him an
> > HTMLtext.
> > AnyWay, you NEVER cannot force the recipient to read it in HTML
> > format.
>  I can't furnish in HTML, SM always converts it to plaintext.  and I
>  never said I wanted to force anyone to do anything (except for certain
>  readers to read the whole thread and take a request seriously) 8-}
> >>> Like I mentioned, if you insert a sig that has just one HTML element,
> >>> say a specific color or something of that sort, then it would be sent in
> >>> HTML.  Or use the Insert HTML and insert a horizontal line at the top or
> >>> bottom (i.e.  ). That will force it to be sent in HTML.
>
> >>> Terry R.
> >>> --
>
> >> Thanks Terry - I appreciate it, and I know many people (from postings
> >> elsewhere) use this workaround.  I just thought that if there were so
> >> many people working around something, it might make sense to request a
> >> fix.
>
> >> best regards
> >> /j
>
> > I can see how it is confusing, although I agree with the method.  Most
> > 

Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0

[Ray_Net]

Terry R. wrote:
The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:48:11 PM, and on a whim, 
googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard:



On Mar 31, 7:11 pm, "Terry R."  wrote:

The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:03:07 PM, and on a whim,
googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard:




On Mar 31, 4:54 pm, Ray_Net 
wrote:

googl...@kwcpa.com wrote:

On Mar 30, 6:58 pm, Ray_Net 
wrote:

googl...@kwcpa.com wrote:

Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I
composed in HTML.  In HTML, there was a blank line before the line
that starts "Me".  When I go into the sent folder and do a view ->
message source, the blank line is there (although the message 
has been

converted totext).
However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent 
it to
myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank 
line
is MISSING.  Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message 
and

it becomes very hard to read.
OUTPUT OF "VIEW -> MESSAGE SOURCE"
From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080
X-Mozilla-
Keys:
Message-ID: [omitted]
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400
From: [omitted]
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:
1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15
MIME-Version: 1.0
To:[omitted]
Subject: This Week...
Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
this week)
If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
ASAP.
Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.
/j
WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER
OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
this week)
If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
ASAP.
Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.
/j

Thanks for furnishing us an pseudo-working example.
I do your test.
It seems that only you have a problem ...
My RESULT IS CORRECT: Have a look 
Subject: TEST CONVERSION
Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=2
X-UIDL: (%l!!\pP!!""i!!joZ"!
OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks.
I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday:
Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away
this week)
If you're on the list above and aren't "IN", please let me know
ASAP.
Otherwise, we'll assume a  quorum.

You gottext, not HTML

/j

You always speak about a conversion ...there is no conversion needed.
In the case you furnishedThe inputtextin plaintext, so the mail
is also plaintext. All is NORMAL.
You said also "the blank line is MISSING. " ...i used your inputtextas
test, and i did not have any blank line missing as you show us.
So YOUR pc have a problem  not mine.
SM is WORKING PERFECTLY.
If you want to sent a mail in HTML format, please furnish him an 
HTMLtext.
AnyWay, you NEVER cannot force the recipient to read it in HTML 
format.

I can't furnish in HTML, SM always converts it to plaintext.  and I
never said I wanted to force anyone to do anything (except for certain
readers to read the whole thread and take a request seriously) 8-}

Like I mentioned, if you insert a sig that has just one HTML element,
say a specific color or something of that sort, then it would be sent in
HTML.  Or use the Insert HTML and insert a horizontal line at the top or
bottom (i.e.  ). That will force it to be sent in HTML.

Terry R.
--


Thanks Terry - I appreciate it, and I know many people (from postings
elsewhere) use this workaround.  I just thought that if there were so
many people working around something, it might make sense to request a
fix.

best regards
/j


I can see how it is confusing, although I agree with the method.  Most 
of us write a message and send it off.  I compose in HTML and I have a 
serif font as my default.  I have my settings set to send in HTML to 
specific people in my AB, and because my sig file is an HTML file, it's 
sent that way.


But if I don't have any specific HTML elements and I am composing in 
HTML mode, TB is taking the privilege to send the message as it sees 
fit, since there aren't any HTML elements included.


I would agree that if the user has the settings to compose in HTML, it 
should be sent in HTML, EVEN if there is only a font setting as the 
default.



Terry R.

How can i (as you said) compose in HTML if there is NOTHING in HTML ?
If there is nothing in HTML, SM have the right to send it in plain 
text because it's a plain-text text.


If you want that we try your problem ...tell us step by step how to get
your "the blank line is MISSING. " symptom.
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Re: E-mail folder lost

[Keith Whaley]

Cedar wrote:
My (newly acquired) antivirus found a virus in one of my folders where I 
keep the stuff that I want to keep.  It then deleted the entire folder! 
 Ouch!  The filename in the virus vault is named 0021_body.html:  what 
does this 0021 mean?  Is that a number that defines which e-mail was 
infected?  Is there a way to view this e-mail, or preferably this entire 
folder, would that filename mean that it's the 21st e-mail in the 
folder...?  Would there maybe be a way to delete just the offending 
e-mail and restore the others, at least?
Is this normal behaviour for an antivirus, I mean to delete the entire 
folder?  If that's the case, Wow!  what if it had been found in my main 
folder!  Ouch!


I would say no it isn't!

Seems to me that should at least have been copied to the supplier of your AV 
program!


Do let us know what they say!

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Re: Spam in e-mails...?

[Keith Whaley]

John Doue wrote:

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2009 10:35, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2009 09:01, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Cedar wrote:
Something is marking some of my e-mails with [spam], is this new 
version of sm doing this?  or would it more likely be avg 
antivirus or something?
If this is something like  [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 03.8/3.0], this 
is probably the antispam filter of your ISP or email provider. This 
feature (I call this a nuisance actually, but it can be use to 
filter incoming emails) can sometimes be turn off on the ISP/email 
provider site.




A "nuisance" ?? If you were one of my mail customers you would be 
singing a different tune. We flag over 8,000 spam messages daily, 
most of which are rejected by our blacklists (the customer never 
sees these).




Jay,

You misunderstood me, meaning I was not clear enough. Of course, spam 
filters are more than useful, they are a necessity (I am a spamcop 
user, I should know!).


What is a nuisance IMHO are ISP filters that let mail go through but 
add the spam score in the objet line. Unless this is user configurable.


Those scores should be transparent at the end user level.


Spamassassin is user-configurable, the default threshold is "5". Any 
message 5 or higher gets flagged. You, the user, can increase/decrease 
the default.


The issue raised by the OP was why should "SPAM" be inserted in the 
object of an email.



> John Doue

***

Object? I know what the Subject line or 'bar' is, what is the Object? The body 
of the mail?


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Re: Spam in e-mails...?

[Jay Garcia]

On 01.04.2009 02:04, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2009 10:35, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2009 09:01, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Cedar wrote:
Something is marking some of my e-mails with [spam], is this new 
version of sm doing this?  or would it more likely be avg 
antivirus or something?
If this is something like  [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 03.8/3.0], this 
is probably the antispam filter of your ISP or email provider. This 
feature (I call this a nuisance actually, but it can be use to 
filter incoming emails) can sometimes be turn off on the ISP/email 
provider site.




A "nuisance" ?? If you were one of my mail customers you would be 
singing a different tune. We flag over 8,000 spam messages daily, 
most of which are rejected by our blacklists (the customer never 
sees these).




Jay,

You misunderstood me, meaning I was not clear enough. Of course, spam 
filters are more than useful, they are a necessity (I am a spamcop 
user, I should know!).


What is a nuisance IMHO are ISP filters that let mail go through but 
add the spam score in the objet line. Unless this is user configurable.


Those scores should be transparent at the end user level.


Spamassassin is user-configurable, the default threshold is "5". Any 
message 5 or higher gets flagged. You, the user, can increase/decrease 
the default.


The issue raised by the OP was why should "SPAM" be inserted in the 
object of an email.




Correct, and the answers have been very much ON-Topic.

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E-mail folder lost

[Cedar]

My (newly acquired) antivirus found a virus in one of my folders where I 
keep the stuff that I want to keep.  It then deleted the entire folder! 
 Ouch!  The filename in the virus vault is named 0021_body.html:  what 
does this 0021 mean?  Is that a number that defines which e-mail was 
infected?  Is there a way to view this e-mail, or preferably this entire 
folder, would that filename mean that it's the 21st e-mail in the 
folder...?  Would there maybe be a way to delete just the offending 
e-mail and restore the others, at least?
Is this normal behaviour for an antivirus, I mean to delete the entire 
folder?  If that's the case, Wow!  what if it had been found in my main 
folder!  Ouch!

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Re: Spam in e-mails...?

[Cedar]

Daniel wrote:

Cedar wrote:
Something is marking some of my e-mails with [spam], is this new 
version of sm doing this?  or would it more likely be avg antivirus or 
something?


Cedar, when you say "Something is marking some of my e-mails with 
[spam]", what do you mean??


The others have told you that your ISP may be marking your mail with 
SpamAssassin and such, but are you meaning that when you look at an 
email, you get a line in the display saying something like "SeaMonkey 
thinks this is a Spam message"? (or is that "Scam" or "Junk"?).


If it's "Junk", you can train SM so that it recognises Junk and 
automatically removes the message to your Junk file, or deletes it.


If it says "Scam", I don't know that you can train SM to do anything, 
except to let you know which messages it thinks are sus...


Daniel


Wow!  Thanks for all the responses, guys!  Daniel:  What I mean is 
pretty much exactly what I stated earlier, the subject lines are being 
altered with this exact term [SPAM] inserted at the beginning of each of 
the ones it thinks are spam.   I think I might have it figured out now, 
as I found a place in avg to configure choices that sound exactly like 
this...so, hopefully, that does the trick!

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Re: Spam in e-mails...?

[John Doue]

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2009 10:35, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Jay Garcia wrote:

On 31.03.2009 09:01, John Doue wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


Cedar wrote:
Something is marking some of my e-mails with [spam], is this new 
version of sm doing this?  or would it more likely be avg antivirus 
or something?
If this is something like  [***SPAM*** Score/Req: 03.8/3.0], this is 
probably the antispam filter of your ISP or email provider. This 
feature (I call this a nuisance actually, but it can be use to 
filter incoming emails) can sometimes be turn off on the ISP/email 
provider site.




A "nuisance" ?? If you were one of my mail customers you would be 
singing a different tune. We flag over 8,000 spam messages daily, 
most of which are rejected by our blacklists (the customer never sees 
these).




Jay,

You misunderstood me, meaning I was not clear enough. Of course, spam 
filters are more than useful, they are a necessity (I am a spamcop 
user, I should know!).


What is a nuisance IMHO are ISP filters that let mail go through but 
add the spam score in the objet line. Unless this is user configurable.


Those scores should be transparent at the end user level.


Spamassassin is user-configurable, the default threshold is "5". Any 
message 5 or higher gets flagged. You, the user, can increase/decrease 
the default.


The issue raised by the OP was why should "SPAM" be inserted in the 
object of an email.


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