Re: SeaMonkey as remedy for a {youtube|gmail|cookie|OAuth 2.0} problem?
On 02/07/2018 08:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: > On 2/7/2018 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett created this epitome of digital > genius: >> My use of SeaMonkey dates from preferences evolved in Netscape days. >> My brother (using Firefox on Windows 10) for browsing and gmail has >> noticed recent problems. His problem description is anonymously viewing >> youtube videos triggers a burst of unsolicited emails. >> >> I'm a Linux user with no interest in videos and who avoids social media >> like the plague since contact with Facebook years ago. Thus I've no >> personal experience to help interpret his descriptions. I can not >> personally observe the problem as he lives 1000 miles away. > You can using Teamviewer. It's free. > > https://www.teamviewer.us/downloads/ > +1 on teamviewer. However I highly recommend that you *not* use version 13 on your linux machine - the interface is kludgy & unfinished and, missing many features (file transfer, messaging, etc., etc). Instead use version 12: https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/previous-versions/ Linux (v12.0.90041): TeamViewer deb 32-Bit / 64-Bit Multiarch http://download.teamviewer.com/download/version_12x/teamviewer_i386.deb I recommend this version over the 'TeamViewer deb 64-Bit without Multiarch' version as you may run into dependency issues with this one on your system. Note: TV version 13 works fine (with full bells & whistles) on Windows. All versions are free for personal use. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey as remedy for a {youtube|gmail|cookie|OAuth 2.0} problem?
On 2/7/2018 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett created this epitome of digital genius: My use of SeaMonkey dates from preferences evolved in Netscape days. My brother (using Firefox on Windows 10) for browsing and gmail has noticed recent problems. His problem description is anonymously viewing youtube videos triggers a burst of unsolicited emails. I'm a Linux user with no interest in videos and who avoids social media like the plague since contact with Facebook years ago. Thus I've no personal experience to help interpret his descriptions. I can not personally observe the problem as he lives 1000 miles away. You can using Teamviewer. It's free. https://www.teamviewer.us/downloads/ -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey as remedy for a {youtube|gmail|cookie|OAuth 2.0} problem?
My use of SeaMonkey dates from preferences evolved in Netscape days. My brother (using Firefox on Windows 10) for browsing and gmail has noticed recent problems. His problem description is anonymously viewing youtube videos triggers a burst of unsolicited emails. I'm a Linux user with no interest in videos and who avoids social media like the plague since contact with Facebook years ago. Thus I've no personal experience to help interpret his descriptions. I can not personally observe the problem as he lives 1000 miles away. A discussion on a user group with a Linux focus causes me to suspect a cookie problem. However I've just read an unrelated thread that briefly discussed OAuth 2.0 issues. I've just done a preliminary web search. A Wikipedia article causes suspicion that it may be part of the problem as some of its description jibes with some of the user group thread. I'm considering suggesting he replace Firefox with SeaMonkey because: 1. I'm familiar with it. 2. I suspect using SM's POP email client will give him a more comfortable experience. POP has the advantage over IMAP as it has option to delete emails from server as they are downloaded. The sync capability of IMAP is unnecessary as he has only one computer. 3. A simple cookie policy should remedy or prevent problems. Some questions: 1. Does SeaMonkey's OAuth 2.0 implementation make it simple to set allow/disallow connections easily? 2. Would a cookie policy session cookies only and no third party cookies be as useful for him as it has for me? 3. Have I missed anything? TIA ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey and WebGL 2.0
Should be in 2.48. Works here in 2.49.1 https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/01/webgl-2-lands-in-firefox/ Jonathan Wilson wrote: Will SeaMonkey be supporting WebGL 2.0 in the future like Firefox does? Or is it just that the current release version of SeaMonkey is too old for WebGL 2.0 and when the new one comes out WebGL 2.0 will be in there? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey and WebGL 2.0
Will SeaMonkey be supporting WebGL 2.0 in the future like Firefox does? Or is it just that the current release version of SeaMonkey is too old for WebGL 2.0 and when the new one comes out WebGL 2.0 will be in there? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.0.1 and Firefox 1.5, 2.0, 3.0 version can be said to be a same at code level
On 01/07/2013 21:14, satwinder singh wrote: Dear, I am pursuing my research in the field of sotware maintainence at preventive level. i had published some of my research paper in ACM SIGSOFT SEN. As per my research i designed the metrics model for smelly classes with the help of firefox three versions and then i had validated or tested the metrics model with the one version of SeaMonkey. I got the review upon my research that SeaMonkey and Firefox are same at the code level. These cannot be treated as two different data set. But what i had read is they both only usage the same Gecko engine from your website. Some more from your history page also. Further in my analysis i got the facts that near about 40% of C++ classes have the same name. Can you people be confirm me that whether we can treat the two software be different at code level or not. It will be a great help from your side to continue my research. I am working only with the C++ part of the software. I hope soon i will get the reply from yourside Regards This newsgroup is a end user support channel. You might get better answers in a developer newsgroup like mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey. The backend Gecko engine is the same for versions of SeaMonkey and Firefox at the same levels. The main difference is the front end code like the UI and the inclusion of mail-news code shared with Thunderbird. SeaMonkey 1.0.1 is using Gecko 1.8.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey#Release_history The equivalent Firefox is Firefox 1.5 Deer Park http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_release_history#Release_history Similarly: SeaMonkey 1.1 is and Firefox 2.0 use Gecko 1.8.1. The next bit is a bit tricky: Firefox 3.0 uses Gecko 1.9.0 SeaMonkey 2.0 and Firefox 3.5 use Gecko 1.9.1 Firefox 3.6 uses Gecko 1.9.2 SeaMonkey 2.1 and Firefox 4.0 use Gecko 2.0 Hope this helps. -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 1.0.1 and Firefox 1.5, 2.0, 3.0 version can be said to be a same at code level
Dear, I am pursuing my research in the field of sotware maintainence at preventive level. i had published some of my research paper in ACM SIGSOFT SEN. As per my research i designed the metrics model for smelly classes with the help of firefox three versions and then i had validated or tested the metrics model with the one version of SeaMonkey. I got the review upon my research that SeaMonkey and Firefox are same at the code level. These cannot be treated as two different data set. But what i had read is they both only usage the same Gecko engine from your website. Some more from your history page also. Further in my analysis i got the facts that near about 40% of C++ classes have the same name. Can you people be confirm me that whether we can treat the two software be different at code level or not. It will be a great help from your side to continue my research. I am working only with the C++ part of the software. I hope soon i will get the reply from yourside Regards -- Satwinder Singh A.P. Dept. CSE IT Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Engg. College Fatehgarh Sahib ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
I am unable to upgrade from Seamonkey 1.1.8 to 2.0+
Whenever I attempt upgrade from Seamonkey 1.1.8 to any version at 2.0, or above, I am unable to do so. I'm using a Macintosh running OS X 10.6.8. First I was told that I can't proceed because I have 2 versions of SeaMonkey running (I don't). I now see the following message: Your SeaMonkey profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible. Is there a way to resolve this problem without a deep understanding of the technical side of this problem??? I need VERY specific steps to address this problem ASAP. Regards, Jim B ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Don wrote: Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. It has many changes with no real improvement. This new version makes some things take more time, like simply saving a bookmark. Now there is no way to designate a new bookmark folder. Many other problems. For one thing there is no documentation for the new changes. example: what the heck are unsorted bookmarks? Also when you open the bookmark header, what is the order of all the bookmarks below the recent tags? Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.? Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain. Not just to report a bug. (this version IS a bug.) No. You must accept the developers dreams ... they are not paid, so they can do what they want. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Don a écrit : Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. It has many changes with no real improvement. This new version makes some things take more time, like simply saving a bookmark. Now there is no way to designate a new bookmark folder. Many other problems. For one thing there is no documentation for the new changes. example: what the heck are unsorted bookmarks? Also when you open the bookmark header, what is the order of all the bookmarks below the recent tags? Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.? Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain. Not just to report a bug. (this version IS a bug.) Thanks for any help. Don Hello You can create a new folder in your bookmark list : in frensh (translate in english) the way is : marque-pages (bookmarks)-organiser les marque-pages (organise the bookmarks???)-fichier(file)-nouveau dossier(new folder)- name this new folder Thats all Sinserly Bertrand ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Ray_Net wrote: Don wrote: Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. [...] Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.? Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain. Not just to report a bug. (this version IS a bug.) No. You must accept the developers dreams ... they are not paid, so they can do what they want. A commonly-stated incorrect-ism. While the developers may not receive any remuneration for what they do, they ARE employed. And as such, that 'team' must follow the direction(s) set down by those in charge, who (presumably) have a direction they have planned to follow, to attain whatever mutual goals have been established. All moving vehicles or groups need a goal and a direction. Do/go where they want? I don't think so... The SM team is not a reincantation of the Keystone Kops. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Keith Whaley wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Don wrote: Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. [...] Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.? Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain. Not just to report a bug. (this version IS a bug.) No. You must accept the developers dreams ... they are not paid, so they can do what they want. A commonly-stated incorrect-ism. While the developers may not receive any remuneration for what they do, they ARE employed. And as such, that 'team' must follow the direction(s) set down by those in charge, who (presumably) have a direction they have planned to follow, to attain whatever mutual goals have been established. All moving vehicles or groups need a goal and a direction. Do/go where they want? I don't think so... The SM team is not a reincantation of the Keystone Kops. keith whaley Just what i have said: And as such, that 'team' must follow the direction(s) set down by those in charge, who (presumably) have a direction they have planned to follow, to attain whatever mutual goals have been established. Not the individual do what they want, but the those in charge what they want. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. It has many changes with no real improvement. This new version makes some things take more time, like simply saving a bookmark. Now there is no way to designate a new bookmark folder. Many other problems. For one thing there is no documentation for the new changes. example: what the heck are unsorted bookmarks? Also when you open the bookmark header, what is the order of all the bookmarks below the recent tags? Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.? Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain. Not just to report a bug. (this version IS a bug.) Thanks for any help. Don ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Don wrote: Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. ... Don Don your message here is a repeat of yesterdays, yesterdays (Aug 6) also recieved many replies addressing your concerns, please do not double post, and see those replies. From there we can move on with further discussion if need be. Thanks, -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. It has many changes with no real improvement. This new version makes some things take more time, like simply saving a bookmark. Now there is no way to designate a new bookmark folder. Many other problems. For one thing there is no documentation for the new changes. example: what the heck are unsorted bookmarks? Also when you open the bookmark header, what is the order of all the bookmarks below the recent tags? Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.? Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain. Not just to report a bug. (this version IS a bug.) Thanks for any help. Don ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is a step backwards
Don schrieb: Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.? There is no older version that still is supported. Unsorted bookmarks are those you file quickly with the new bookmarks icon at the right of the location bar. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: places.sqlite and update from SM 2.0.x to 2.2
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:26:48 -0500, Manuel Reimer wrote: Hello, for some reason a existing places.sqlite causes SM 2.2 to hang with 100% CPU if opened with my old SM 2.0 profile. In SM 2.0 this file didn't cause problems. I had to rename places.sqlite to start successfully into SM 2.2. Going from 2.0 to 2.2 would cause the places code to update the schema of the sqlite database (in a backward incompatible manner so you'd lose history going back to 2.0). So it might not be hanging but just busy doing some DDL on places.sqlite. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Certificates disappeared from Seamonkey 2.0.x - Fixed
user@domain.invalid wrote: Mac OS X 10.6.7 Seamonkey 2.0.14, problem first noticed under 2.0.13 My personal certificates and the CA certificates which authenticate them have disappeared from Seamonkey. This used to all work prior to 2.0.13 but not neither my personal certificates nor the CA Authority ceriticates shows up in the Certificate manager. However, if I try to re-install (at least one of) the CA certificates I get a dialog bot saying that the certificate is already installed but I cannot see it! Fixed this. After a bit of googling I decided that my certificate store was probably corrupted and followed instructions to stop Seamonkey, delete the cert8.db file in my profile and restart. I was then able to reload my personal certificates and their CA certificates. All is good again. -- = Dr. Frank J. Nagy[Applied Scientist] = Fermilab Computing Division/Lab and Scientific Core Services = Service Operations Support Dept/Engineering Support Group = n...@fnal.gov (Alt: f.n...@clear.net) = Web page: http://home.fnal.gov/~nagy/ = Feynman Computing FCC394 630-840-4935 FAX 840-6345 = USnail: Fermilab POB 500 MS/369 Batavia, IL 60510 = ICBM: 40d 51m 34s N, 88d 12d 29d W, 651 ft ASL + This seat. It warms your ass. Wonderful. -- Dr. Bishop ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Certificates disappeared from Seamonkey 2.0.x
Mac OS X 10.6.7 Seamonkey 2.0.14, problem first noticed under 2.0.13 My personal certificates and the CA certificates which authenticate them have disappeared from Seamonkey. This used to all work prior to 2.0.13 but not neither my personal certificates nor the CA Authority ceriticates shows up in the Certificate manager. However, if I try to re-install (at least one of) the CA certificates I get a dialog bot saying that the certificate is already installed but I cannot see it! -- = Dr. Frank J. Nagy[Applied Scientist] = Fermilab Computing Division/Lab and Scientific Core Services = Service Operations Support Dept/Engineering Support Group = n...@fnal.gov (Alt: f.n...@clear.net) = Web page: http://home.fnal.gov/~nagy/ = Feynman Computing FCC394 630-840-4935 FAX 840-6345 = USnail: Fermilab POB 500 MS/369 Batavia, IL 60510 = ICBM: 40d 51m 34s N, 88d 12d 29d W, 651 ft ASL + This seat. It warms your ass. Wonderful. -- Dr. Bishop ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0.x and Firefox Sync extension
MCBastos wrote: I have been letting it auto-update itself for some time... but recently I noticed that it does not sync anymore. Worse: the extension Options dialog screen simply does not work (...) Is it just me, or is the Firefox Sync extension no longer really compatible with Seamonkey? Indeed the latest versions of the Firefox Sync add-on do not work properly with SM 2.0 anymore. You'll either have to return to one of the previous Firefox Sync versions (maybe 1.5.1) or wait for SM 2.1 which will be released really soon now and includes Sync out of the box (which also means there won't be any compatibility issues through add-on updates). HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0.x and Firefox Sync extension
Jens Hatlak wrote: MCBastos wrote: I have been letting it auto-update itself for some time... but recently I noticed that it does not sync anymore. Worse: the extension Options dialog screen simply does not work (...) Is it just me, or is the Firefox Sync extension no longer really compatible with Seamonkey? Indeed the latest versions of the Firefox Sync add-on do not work properly with SM 2.0 anymore. You'll either have to return to one of the previous Firefox Sync versions (maybe 1.5.1) or wait for SM 2.1 which will be released really soon now and includes Sync out of the box (which also means there won't be any compatibility issues through add-on updates). HTH Jens getting really impatient for a final so more of my extensions can catch up... but loving its speed and stability... sean -- ... Many people will walk in and out of your life, but only true friends will leave footprints in your heart. ~anonymous * taglines courtesy of TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.0.x and Firefox Sync extension
The Firefox Sync extension used to work reasonably well, albeit with a limited feature set, in Seamonkey. That was back in the day when it was still called Weave, I think. I have been letting it auto-update itself for some time... but recently I noticed that it does not sync anymore. Worse: the extension Options dialog screen simply does not work -- when I click on it, I get three floating buttons (without a dialog) which do nothing and I can't dismiss. I'm forced to kill the Add-Ons task in Task Manager. This happens even in a clean test profile, so it's not apparently anything to do with my settings. Is it just me, or is the Firefox Sync extension no longer really compatible with Seamonkey? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my walkie-talkie. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.14 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Disappearing certificates in SeaMoneky 2.0 under Mac OS X
The 2.0.13 upgrade to SeaMonkey has apparrently destroyed my personal certificates. Both the long term (1+ year) and short term certificates no longer appear nor do their CA certificates appear under the Authorites tab. This was all working as of 2.0.12, does anyone else see this? Have a solution? -- = Dr. Frank J. Nagy[Applied Scientist] = Fermilab Computing Division/Central Services and Infrastructure = Authentication, Directory and Messaging Services = n...@fnal.gov (Alt: f.n...@sbcglobal.net) = Web page: http://home.fnal.gov/~nagy/ = Feynman Computing FCC358 630-840-4935 FAX 840-6345 = USnail: Fermilab POB 500 MS/369 Batavia, IL 60510 = ICBM: 40d 51m 34s N, 88d 12d 29d W, 651 ft ASL + This seat. It warms your ass. Wonderful. -- Dr. Bishop ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Disappearing certificates in SeaMoneky 2.0 under Mac OS X
Frank J. Nagy wrote: The 2.0.13 upgrade to SeaMonkey has apparrently destroyed my personal certificates. Both the long term (1+ year) and short term certificates no longer appear nor do their CA certificates appear under the Authorites tab. This was all working as of 2.0.12, does anyone else see this? Have a solution? Frank, I think you replied to the wrong post. Or should have started a new post. So far I have found no solution on my question. If you need to go through hundreds of posts marking threads as read, moving the thread as read button to the main menu should make sense. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey2.1 (comm-2.0) repository up for business
The SeaMonkey project has branched off comm-central for our upcoming SeaMonkey2.1 release today. You can find the repository for SeaMonkey2.1 in |http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-2.0| if you clone from there, then you can simply |client.py checkout| from the repo root to get all the other required repo's, including mozilla-2.0. comm-2.0 is string frozen, as of now, comm-central is not. SeaMonkey developers should still CONCENTRATE on comm-2.0 for active development as we near shipping seamonkey2.1, and will have to land patches in both comm-central and comm-2.0 until we ship. (being sure not to land any l10n changes in comm-2.0) (below is what I ---tried--- to send out last night) Hello, As of tonight, I CLOSED comm-central for the comm-2.0 branch setup for SeaMonkey. For those who do not know, comm-2.0 is intended to be built with Gecko 2.0 for the upcoming SeaMonkey 2.1 release. Thunderbird/Calendar have decided not to do a release based on Gecko 2.0 and instead will base their next release on Gecko 5.0. Since SeaMonkey is the only ones following Gecko2, and since our release date is nearing, we have decided to branch comm-central now to avoid further potential traps and issues. Points: * The comm-2.0 repo will be open for landings as early as tomorrow. * Tonights nightly for comm-2.0 builds will be based off the |hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-2.0| repository. * comm-central (for suite/) will remain CLOSED until comm-2.0 is also open. * When both repo's reopen, SeaMonkey development will still be focused on SeaMonkey2.1 and all patches will need to double-land (see below) * comm-2.0 will remain l10n frozen, and comm-central will be free to take l10n updates for seamonkey when the trees reopen. We need to really narrow in on SeaMonkey2.1-final and get this release out the door, Firefox 4.0.1 is imminent, and likely to be the final .x release off mozilla-2.0 There are still some minor bugs to fix for the comm-2.0 setup, but none of them should drastically affect our plan. See Bug 646804 for details. Followup To mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey (please respect) ask any and all questions there. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 1.1 and 2.0 Web Page Graphics Size Question
DoctorBill a écrit : Internet Explorer (Sorry Had to say those bad words !) has a feature down on the lower right side wherein one can change the size of any graphic shown on the screen. Been using SM 1.1 and also have SM 2.0 on my desktop. I finally remembered today to ask here if SM 1.1 and/or SM 2.0 has such a feature to change the graphic or page size ? I was looking up diagrams of Picatinny rifle scope rails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Picantinny-recoilgroove-diagram.gif and wished I could make the diagram bigger as I could do were I running (those bad words again)...IE. DoctorBill maybe you would like to try nosquint extension Options Tab General Options * Primary zoom method The primary zoom method specifies the behaviour of the standard zoom adjustment shortcuts (ctrl-plus, ctrl-minus, ctrl-mousewheel). With Full Page Zoom, both images and text will be zoomed; with Text Zoom, only text is zoomed. Whichever zoom method is not set to be primary is referred to as the secondary method. The shift key can be added to any of the shortcuts to control the secondary zoom method. For example, if the primary zoom method is set to Full Page Zoom, and ctrl-shift-plus is pressed, only text size will be increased. Default primary zoom level This is the zoom level of the primary zoom method as applied to all pages by default. A value of 100% is the standard Firefox zoom level without NoSquint. With NoSquint, you can override this value to be larger or smaller. Modifying the zoom when visiting a web page will override this value for that site. * Zoom increment You can change the zoom level for a page from the View menu, by using one of the zoom shortcuts (ctrl-plus/minus or ctrl-mousewheel), or by using the optional toolbar buttons. NoSquint can remember these changes. This setting specifies what increment, in percent, to use when changing the zoom level. * Enable zoom with ctrl-mousewheel Selecting this option allows you to adjust the zoom level by pressing and holding the control key while moving the mousewheel up or down. If ctrl-shift-mousewheel is used, this controls the secondary zoom method. * Show current zoom levels in status bar Selecting this option shows the zoom levels (both full page and text zoom) in the status bar for the current web page. When hovering over the status panel, a tooltip will appear providing more information. Site Options To NoSquint, a site is a web location where all pages under that location have the same zoom level, and the site name is derived from the page's URL. In most cases, the site is the domain. For example, if the current page is www2.ibm.com/index.php, NoSquint will consider the site name to be ibm.com. NoSquint will also take into account common second-level domains. For example, if you're visiting www.bbc.co.uk, NoSquint will consider the site name to be bbc.co.uk. The default behaviour should work almost all the time. When it doesn't, you can control how NoSquint determines site names in the Exceptions Tab. * Remember zoom level per site With this option selected, NoSquint will remember any changes you make to the zoom levels for a given site. Both full page zoom and text zoom levels are remembered independently. Next time you visit that site, NoSquint will change the zoom to the levels previously used on that site. * Forget zoom settings for sites not visited in the last ... With the remember zoom levels per site option enabled, NoSquint keeps track of all zoom level changes for sites, even sites you only visit once. This option is house cleaning: if you haven't visited a site (for which you've set a non-default zoom level) for the specified number of months, NoSquint will forget the setting. * Use the default zoom level for all sites One of NoSquint's features is the ability to remember custom zoom levels for individual sites. If you're not interested this and want to use the same level for all sites, or you just don't want NoSquint to remember any manual changes, select this option. Exceptions Tab Because not all web sites are structured the same, sometimes the default logic NoSquint uses to determine the site name doesn't work the way you want it to. By way of exceptions, you can control how NoSquint determines what constitutes a separate site. Use Cases Exceptions are powerful and expressive, and unfortunately can be confusing. Before going into a detailed explanation, let's first examine some common use-cases. Hopefully one of these examples applies to your case. 1. Problem: different subdomains on SourceForge, e.g. freevo.sourceforge.net and audacity.sourceforge.net, are wrongly treated as the same site (sourceforge.net) Solution: add an exception with the pattern *.sourceforge.net 2. Problem: example.com/users/mary and example.com/users/john are wrongly
SM 1.1 and 2.0 Web Page Graphics Size Question
Internet Explorer (Sorry Had to say those bad words !) has a feature down on the lower right side wherein one can change the size of any graphic shown on the screen. Been using SM 1.1 and also have SM 2.0 on my desktop. I finally remembered today to ask here if SM 1.1 and/or SM 2.0 has such a feature to change the graphic or page size ? I was looking up diagrams of Picatinny rifle scope rails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Picantinny-recoilgroove-diagram.gif and wished I could make the diagram bigger as I could do were I running (those bad words again)...IE. DoctorBill ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 1.1 and 2.0 Web Page Graphics Size Question
On 4/15/11 5:09 PM, DoctorBill wrote: Internet Explorer (Sorry Had to say those bad words !) has a feature down on the lower right side wherein one can change the size of any graphic shown on the screen. Been using SM 1.1 and also have SM 2.0 on my desktop. I finally remembered today to ask here if SM 1.1 and/or SM 2.0 has such a feature to change the graphic or page size ? I was looking up diagrams of Picatinny rifle scope rails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Picantinny-recoilgroove-diagram.gif and wished I could make the diagram bigger as I could do were I running (those bad words again)...IE. DoctorBill If you zoom the text content, there is an option whether to also zoom images. On the menu bar, go to [Edit Preferences]. On the Preferences window, go to [Appearance Content]. At very last checkbox at the bottom of the Content pane controls this. To simplfy zooming, I installed the PrefBar extension and enabled the Font- and Font+ buttons, which zoom smaller and larger respectively. I also downloaded and installed Font Reset Button button from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/buttons.html#fontreset, which restores the initial state in case you forget how many times you zoomed smaller or larger. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 1.1 and 2.0 Web Page Graphics Size Question
David E. Ross wrote: On 4/15/11 5:09 PM, DoctorBill wrote: Internet Explorer (Sorry Had to say those bad words !) has a feature down on the lower right side wherein one can change the size of any graphic shown on the screen. Been using SM 1.1 and also have SM 2.0 on my desktop. I finally remembered today to ask here if SM 1.1 and/or SM 2.0 has such a feature to change the graphic or page size ? I was looking up diagrams of Picatinny rifle scope rails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Picantinny-recoilgroove-diagram.gif and wished I could make the diagram bigger as I could do were I running (those bad words again)...IE. DoctorBill If you zoom the text content, there is an option whether to also zoom images. On the menu bar, go to [Edit Preferences]. On the Preferences window, go to [Appearance Content]. At very last checkbox at the bottom of the Content pane controls this. To simplfy zooming, I installed the PrefBar extension and enabled the Font- and Font+ buttons, which zoom smaller and larger respectively. I also downloaded and installed Font Reset Button button from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/buttons.html#fontreset, which restores the initial state in case you forget how many times you zoomed smaller or larger. On the menu bar, go to [Edit Preferences]. On the Preferences window, go to [Appearance Content]. At very last checkbox at the bottom of the Content pane controls this. That works in SM 2.0 but NOT with SM 1.1 (SM 1.1 Text Only resizes). Also, holding down the shift key and wheel scrolling goes backward and forward thru the pages. I keep with SM 1.1 because I don't like the tab system in 2.0. As I said in a prior thread, I got used to and like the old Tabbrowser that Piro (Japanese) fellow) had for SM 1.1. I wish he'd update that extension to 2.0 and whatever is next ! Damned good Tab extension DoctorBill ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Sending mail to trash in SM 2.0.x
Hi - hope this isn't dumb question time, but I'm stumped. When I delete items from my mail inbox, some of them go into the trash folder, while others just disappear. All messages flagged as junk are sent to trash, but deleted non-junk messages just vanish, it seems. This is occasionally inconvenient when I want to recover a deleted message from the trash. I can't find any setting that allows me to control this behavior. Help? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 and Seamonkey 2.0
Hi, Le 18/02/2011 13:35, Robert Kaiser a écrit: If it already happened, you should be able to get back your bookmarks at least by going into the bookmarks manager and restore older bookmarks from the Tools menu. Or you can try renaming the places.sqlite-corrupt (or similar) file back to places.sqlite, that could work as well. It works. I have Seamonkey 2.0.11 on another PC so I can use this profile. -- Stéphane ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.1 and Seamonkey 2.0
Hi, I'm using Seamonkey 2.1 nightly builds but sometimes by mistake I launch Seamonkey 2.0 and then in Seamonkey 2.1 I have not history and no bookmarks. How fixing it? Seamonkey 2.1b3pre mail window look very pretty! -- Sorry for my bad english, the british dictionnary is disabled by nightly build and I don't speak english fluently. Stéphane http://pasdenom.info ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 and Seamonkey 2.0
Stéphane Grégoire schrieb: I'm using Seamonkey 2.1 nightly builds but sometimes by mistake I launch Seamonkey 2.0 and then in Seamonkey 2.1 I have not history and no bookmarks. How fixing it? Make a backup of your profile (which you should always do anyhow), and esp. your places.sqlite. SeaMonkey 2.1 (the Mozilla 2.0 platform) uses a format of that file that is not understood by SeaMonkey 2.0 (the Mozilla 1.9.1 platform). If it already happened, you should be able to get back your bookmarks at least by going into the bookmarks manager and restore older bookmarks from the Tools menu. Or you can try renaming the places.sqlite-corrupt (or similar) file back to places.sqlite, that could work as well. Seamonkey 2.1b3pre mail window look very pretty! The team has put a lot of work into this new SeaMonkey version. :) Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On 31/12/10 04:16, NoOp wrote: [...] OK, it was marked as RESOLVED as in: This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 613199 *** https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613199 Status: RESOLVED FIXED Product:SeaMonkey Hence, it was technically marked as FIXED. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_activity.cgi?id=531210 At bugzilla.mozilla.org, FIXED means fixed-on-trunk. There are also some flags and keywords to indicate that, in addition, a bug has been fixed on some other branch. In your OP you asked, what good is there in staying with SeaMonkey? That's for every user to judge for him- or herself. The fact that this product is maintained by a small group of unpaid volunteers, as an all-in-one Suite uniting a Firefox-like browser, a Thunderbird-like mail/news/RSS client, a chat client, and more, all in a single executable program and the libraries that go with it, will be seen by some as an advantage, by others as a blemish. Myself, I have in the past felt as just a number in the mass of not-listened-to users of Firefox, where features on which I depended have repeatedly been sacked by the developers, for no good reason or for some obviously false reason (like no one uses it and it is not discoverable for something -the throbber link- that I had discovered without help, and used). With SeaMonkey, in my experience, the developers listen better to what the users have to say — or maybe I'm lulling myself with illusions and have just found a group of developers with the same values as mine; anyway I feel more at home with SeaMonkey than I ever did with Firefox (or, worse, with Konqueror or of course with Internet Explorer). But the SeaMonkey developers are fewer than Firefox's, none of them is paid by Mozilla (unlike Firefox's), and they don't have as many machines at their disposal as are used to maintain three or four parallel branches of the Firefox code: with SeaMonkey, it seems that two's the limit: one trunk undergoing active development, and in a kind of state of flux, continually changing especially when labeled alpha or even beta, and one stable branch whose behaviour will not fundamentally change between one day and the next or even one month and the next: this gives extension developers some confidence that it is worth their while to develop extensions for it, but it also means no new features. Bugs, however, especially important bugs, still get fixed, even on the stable branch, if a fix can be found for them. Of course, it can happen that, for some bug, no fix is found (yet): then of course that bug doesn't (yet) get fixed. So, make your own choice: it may be other than mine (I've been using SeaMonkey trunk nightlies for some time even if, unlike WLS, I have problems getting Lightning to work with them) because you are not me; that's why it's important to *have* a choice, one thing to which the not-for-profit Mozilla Foundation is dedicated. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 5. You find yourself brainstorming for new subjects to search. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On 30/12/10 04:26, NoOp wrote: On 12/29/2010 06:33 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 5:07 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? That's my biggest concern, too.:-) Lightning is an extension, one which does not directly provide support for SeaMonkey, and is also [last I knew] currently targeting Gecko 1.9.2 which there was and is no SeaMonkey release on. We as the Council hopes there is a suitable solution for lightning users, and will support the efforts where possible, but I do not foresee anyone from the SeaMonkey team devoting direct time to get export/import improved in the near future. Then you'd be seriously mistaken. Users have spent considerable time effort integrating lightning calendars data into their systems. If you think that there was backlash with SM 1.1.x and forms, wait until they try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no longer are compatible. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=46t=1248265 http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/Please-help-testing-For-SeaMonkey-2.1-Alpha-1-candidates The solution is mentioned there too: don't use in-profile calendars (in the proprietary Mozilla format), export them (or create them) as *.ics calendars somewhere else on your HD. In that format they should even be compatible with the no-longer-supported Sunbird program. I *highly* recommend that the Council sort out the issues (personal and technical) with the SeaMonkey Lightning folks *before* any SM 2.1 release. If you don't then I suspect that you'll continue to lose space with MS Office other browser/calendar integration offerings. IMO seamless Lightning integration with SeaMonkey is critical to SeaMonkey's future. The main problem with Lightning is that *Lightning* is practically a one-man operation, and a busy man at that. Alas for us, he cannot afford to dedicate all his time to Lightning, so fixes to Lightning bugs (sometimes including bugs very annoying to the users) take their own (long) time coming. The SeaMonkey guys can do nothing about that, they have enough on their hands keeping SeaMonkey working. Best regards, Tony. -- Christian, n.: One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
NoOp wrote: Then you'd be seriously mistaken. Users have spent considerable time effort integrating lightning calendars data into their systems. If you think that there was backlash with SM 1.1.x and forms, wait until they try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no longer are compatible. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=46t=1248265 http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/Please-help-testing-For-SeaMonkey-2.1-Alpha-1-candidates I *highly* recommend that the Council sort out the issues (personal and technical) with the SeaMonkey Lightning folks *before* any SM 2.1 release. If you don't then I suspect that you'll continue to lose space with MS Office other browser/calendar integration offerings. IMO seamless Lightning integration with SeaMonkey is critical to SeaMonkey's future. I'd like to add my unsolicited $0.02. I'm one of the SeaMonkey devs (well, beginner I must add and a relative newcomer to the scene, though I have used SeaMonkey, and before that Mozilla and Netscape). Should have volunteered a long time ago. As Justin pointed out, the issue is human resources. It's simple as that. It's not personal. Not Technical. (Well, to me, my skill set really is limited I'm sorry to say). I'm still earnestly learning the ropes, but there's really only so many hours in a day and how much I can volunteer for it. While I can't speak for everyone, but I believe the feeling is the same. We all want to add all features, and fix all bugs in SeaMonkey and its associated extensions(in this case, Lightning); but we really don't have that much time and we need more devs to help out. What I do thank for is you and everyone's continued patience with the dev team. I'll do my darndest to help with the bugs and features while trying to learn the ropes as well. Edmund ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 10:05 PM, NoOp wrote: Here is a paste of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting to know and work with your system directly from 2.0.11. There are of course more examples in the bug report, but that one works for me. Which is in and of itself not broken. Copy/Paste of it works. You just get spaces, which if you copy/paste that whole string back into SeaMonkey you'll load the page (at the anchor) correctly. But if you mouse over it, you'll see in the status bar that SM doesn't parse beyond the first space, angle brackets notwithstanding, so clicking the link in NoOp's post takes you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting, which yields the top of the page, not the desired bookmark. Here's a clickable link that does take you directly to the bookmark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting%20to%20know%20and%20work%20with%20your%20system -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On 10-12-29 10:05 PM, NoOp wrote: I don't think that I've misunderstood; the bug was opened in November 2009 with 2.0.1pre 1.1.18. It was/is well documented, and is an outstanding issue going back to January 2009 (Firefox), see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475896. It is NOT a New feature. There are thousands of 2.0.x SeaMonkey users (at least one would hope so) out there that still have this issue. Marking the bug as 'FIXED' on a yet to be released 2.1 trunk IMO simply doesn't cut it IMO. If we expect users to install 2.1pre versions simply so that they can copy paste a url from the url bar, then I suspect that no fixes in any current version of SeaMonkey (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/) will ever be satisfied. Hi NoOp, Unfortunately, your understanding of how development and bugzilla works is incorrect. Put it this way, when a new major version of SeaMonkey is released, are developers supposed to start going through hundreds of bugs they've fixed over the past year and start making them as fixed? What if the bug is in more than one release? Maintenance mode (or stable branch) means that changes can only be made to the code if doesn't: * break extensions * require localizers to translate more strings (and probably more, but the general idea is not to make changes that are going to break other things) If a bug appears in both the trunk and branch (which is usually the case), the fix is first applied to the trunk. You can then request that it be applied to the branch. Someone will then review patch, to see if it is safe enough to be applied to the stable branch, and if it is apply that patch and add the appropriate keyword to the bug. In some cases, the assignee may need to create a separate patch just for the stable branch. No-one is telling users that you have to download a pre-release to see the fix (Although it would be helpful to test it). It's just a matter of which end-user release users will experience the fix: the next 2.0.x release or 2.1. Phillip marked the bug as a duplicate of bug 613199, so bug 613199 is the one you need to nominate for SeaMonkey 2.0. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
Hi, WLS a tapoté, le 30/12/2010 01:43: Lightning 1.1a1pre (32-bit) works just fine for me in SM 2.1b2pre (32-bit) on openSUSE 11.3. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/nightly/linux-xpi/ The link which is working with Seamonkey 2.1b2pre is http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-central/linux-xpi/ -- Stéphane ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:26:08 -0800, NoOp wrote: I *highly* recommend that the Council sort out the issues (personal and technical) with the SeaMonkey Lightning folks *before* any SM 2.1 Unfortunately there are no Lightning folks plural left. There is one solitary volunteer who works on it in between his exams and the occasional drive by patch from some outsider (possibly a linux distro person fixing a bug). If *you* want to help try to get more people involved in Lightning development. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
NoOp schrieb: Phillip Chee pointed out this in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210#c15 quote The SeaMonkey 2.0.x branch is in maintenance mode. Only security and stability fixes are allowed. /quote If this is the case, then shouldn't standard users be notified of this on: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ particularly since that is the Official download site and the supposed official release of SeaMonkey? Why? Any stable release series in in maintenance mode, i.e. only gets stability and security improvements. New features only ever go into not-yet-stable release series (right now 2.1). That's common policy in almost all software project and doesn't need special mention. I'd also appreciate comments as to the direction of SeaMonkey; - will users go through yet another SM 1.x to 2.0 transition in the near future? Why that? They are not using 1.x any more if the ever think of security. - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? Ask the calendar project, this is an add-on and completely up to their developers. - what can users expect in the 2.0 to 2.1 transition? That 2.0 profiles will just work in 2.1 - downgrading from 2.1 to 2.0 might even work, but might have some flaws which we only intend to fix if it's easy (e.g. 2.1 bookmarks will never automatically work in 2.0). As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. Why? I completely don't understand what's wrong with a well-maintained stable release series. Maintenance mode means that we still maintain it and keep it stable and secure, but just promise to not make any large changes - those go into the next not-yet-stable release series. Followup-To set for mozilla.support.seamonkey as this is an user issue/concern. Not having read there yet, I ignore any replies that are already there until I get there in my reading, so I'm sorry if I'm just duplicating stuff here. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
NoOp schrieb: There are thousands of 2.0.x SeaMonkey users (at least one would hope so) out there that still have this issue. Marking the bug as 'FIXED' on a yet to be released 2.1 trunk IMO simply doesn't cut it IMO. FIXED always means fixed in the version set as target milestone and/or the current development version. You're right that there are thousands of SeaMonkey 2.0.x users and exactly that's why we don't magically change the behavior with a possibly silent security update (unless we have to for security reasons) as then they'd start to mistrust our security updates. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
NoOp schrieb: wait until they try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no longer are compatible. Who says that they would not be compatible? From all I know, they are perfectly compatible so far. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
Robert Kaiser wrote: That 2.0 profiles will just work in 2.1 - downgrading from 2.1 to 2.0 might even work, but might have some flaws which we only intend to fix if it's easy (e.g. 2.1 bookmarks will never automatically work in 2.0). So the downgrading to 2.0 is NOT possible - Great news . :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
Ray_Net schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: That 2.0 profiles will just work in 2.1 - downgrading from 2.1 to 2.0 might even work, but might have some flaws which we only intend to fix if it's easy (e.g. 2.1 bookmarks will never automatically work in 2.0). So the downgrading to 2.0 is NOT possible - Great news . :-( I just said that it actually is possible, but it might have some flaws (small annoyances, not large problems). And 2.1 bookmarks will not just work in 2.0, you need to export to a bookmarks.html first, and that one should work fine in 2.0, then. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:58:14 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp schrieb: wait until they try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no longer are compatible. Who says that they would not be compatible? From all I know, they are perfectly compatible so far. There is an incompatible change in the Lightning schema. It was mentioned in the calendar newsgroups and possibly planet. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/30/2010 4:15 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 10:05 PM, NoOp wrote: Here is a paste of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting to know and work with your system directly from 2.0.11. There are of course more examples in the bug report, but that one works for me. Which is in and of itself not broken. Copy/Paste of it works. You just get spaces, which if you copy/paste that whole string back into SeaMonkey you'll load the page (at the anchor) correctly. But if you mouse over it, you'll see in the status bar that SM doesn't parse beyond the first space, angle brackets notwithstanding, so clicking the link in NoOp's post takes you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting, which yields the top of the page, not the desired bookmark. Here's a clickable link that does take you directly to the bookmark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting%20to%20know%20and%20work%20with%20your%20system His issue was not link-parsing in mailnews [which, fwiw can be SOLVED with HTML mail, since the link is an anchor tag, in quotes]. but the copy/paste behavior. Which I addressed. Mailnews linkage is a different story as well. (and NOT A BUG imo for mailnews since the auto-link in text-only-mode is correct) -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Philip Chee schrieb: On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:58:14 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp schrieb: wait until they try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no longer are compatible. Who says that they would not be compatible? From all I know, they are perfectly compatible so far. There is an incompatible change in the Lightning schema. It was mentioned in the calendar newsgroups and possibly planet. But IIRC updates work fine with that, just downgrades don't, right? Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/30/2010 4:15 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 10:05 PM, NoOp wrote: Here is a paste of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting to know and work with your system directly from 2.0.11. There are of course more examples in the bug report, but that one works for me. Which is in and of itself not broken. Copy/Paste of it works. You just get spaces, which if you copy/paste that whole string back into SeaMonkey you'll load the page (at the anchor) correctly. But if you mouse over it, you'll see in the status bar that SM doesn't parse beyond the first space, angle brackets notwithstanding, so clicking the link in NoOp's post takes you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting, which yields the top of the page, not the desired bookmark. Here's a clickable link that does take you directly to the bookmark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting%20to%20know%20and%20work%20with%20your%20system His issue was not link-parsing in mailnews [which, fwiw can be SOLVED with HTML mail, since the link is an anchor tag, in quotes]. but the copy/paste behavior. Which I addressed. Mailnews linkage is a different story as well. (and NOT A BUG imo for mailnews since the auto-link in text-only-mode is correct) Fair enough, assuming the sender is interested and savvy enough to do this. In my experience, the vast majority of end users don't even use angle brackets, so it would be a better system if Mozilla improved its link parsing in mail/news messages. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/29/2010 08:22 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 10:05 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/29/2010 04:15 AM, Neil wrote: NoOp wrote: As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. I think you have misunderstood the point of maintenance. New features are always developed on trunk. At some point, we'll put a temporary freeze on new features, to allow as many remaining bugs in those features to be discovered and fixed. Locale strings are also normally frozen at this point. Eventually we decide we're ready and create a release branch. Development on the next version of SeaMonkey can then restart on trunk (in practice we don't have the resources for this until after the release.) Meanwhile the release branch fixes last-minute bugs at which point we can then release the x.x.0 version. But that's not the end of the branch; bugs are always being found, and if they have a severe impact (e.g. data loss, crash) then they are fixed on the branch and typically every month a maintenance release containing these fixes is delivered. I don't think that I've misunderstood; Yes you have misunderstood what maintenance mode means. The following part of your explanation does not correlate to what maintenance mode means. nor does it have anything to do with our discussion, even so I'll address those points. the bug was opened in November 2009 with 2.0.1pre 1.1.18. It was/is well documented, and is an outstanding issue going back to January 2009 (Firefox), Yes it was opened against Firefox. and as such was not reported as a SeaMonkey Bug. (So 2.0.1pre, and 1.1.18 are irrelevant here -- even if it exists in SeaMonkey). But lets presume that it was a SeaMonkey bug for sake of argument... it was found AFTER the 2.0.0 release (2.0.1pre) which means it would fall into criteria for a maintenance release. It was reported after this thread: SM 2.0 URL escape character auto conversion 10/30/2009 I then went ahead and filed the bug. Use your *SeaMonkey* newsreader to review. see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475896. It is NOT a New feature. No it is a trivial bug fix that accompanies with it a behavior change that some others may rely on. We do not take behavior changes/new features in a security release. The only behavior changes that matter are those that fix even more serious bugs [not an edge case like this] or are accompanying a real security threat. And are rated on a case by case basis. [read on] If it's trivial, then why not target it for something other than Target Milestone: seamonkey2.1b2 ?? 2.0.12 *might* occur... But Philipp's fix was dated: 2010-11-21 07:38:47 PST SeaMonkey 2.0.11 was released December 9: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases quote SeaMonkey 2.0.11 December 9 (tied to Firefox 3.5.16) /quote There are thousands of 2.0.x SeaMonkey users (at least one would hope so) out there that still have this issue. The bug is valid, so every user has this issue. The fact though is that not every user encounters it, nor of those that do actually care. [or perhaps RELY on the space behavior for other reason] BS Marking the bug as 'FIXED' on a yet to be released 2.1 trunk IMO simply doesn't cut it IMO. Marking the bug as FIXED didn't happen. Its not fixed, there is not even a reviewed patch that can be requested approval for the maintenance branch. And as I said above, its a Firefox bug, in Firefox code. So nothing (aside from writing the fix it for Firefox ourselves, with our limited resources) we could do for it. OK, it was marked as RESOLVED as in: This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 613199 *** https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613199 Status: RESOLVED FIXED Product:SeaMonkey Hence, it was technically marked as FIXED. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_activity.cgi?id=531210 If we expect users to install 2.1pre versions simply so that they can copy paste a url from the url bar, then I suspect that no fixes in any current version of SeaMonkey (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/) will ever be satisfied. No, any user can copy/paste a url from the url bar. Pasting back into the urlbar of any current Mozilla-Based application, space or no space, will work just fine. It's said other applications bug if they don't convert ' ' to '%20'. If copy/paste was entirely broken, in SeaMonkey 2.0.x that would be not only a regression, but a blocker imo; and I would be sure to devote resources to fix it, and happy to approve it landing in the 2.0 maintenance branch. Really? Why don't you switch to SM 2.0.11 instead of Thunderbird 3.1.7 and try it? Here is a paste of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting to know and work with your system directly from 2.0.11. There are of course more
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On 12/30/2010 02:47 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/30/2010 4:15 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 10:05 PM, NoOp wrote: Here is a paste of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting to know and work with your system directly from 2.0.11. There are of course more examples in the bug report, but that one works for me. Which is in and of itself not broken. Copy/Paste of it works. You just get spaces, which if you copy/paste that whole string back into SeaMonkey you'll load the page (at the anchor) correctly. But if you mouse over it, you'll see in the status bar that SM doesn't parse beyond the first space, angle brackets notwithstanding, so clicking the link in NoOp's post takes you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting, which yields the top of the page, not the desired bookmark. Here's a clickable link that does take you directly to the bookmark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting%20to%20know%20and%20work%20with%20your%20system His issue was not link-parsing in mailnews [which, fwiw can be SOLVED with HTML mail, since the link is an anchor tag, in quotes]. but the copy/paste behavior. Which I addressed. Mailnews linkage is a different story as well. (and NOT A BUG imo for mailnews since the auto-link in text-only-mode is correct) You are recommending that I use HTML mail? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/30/2010 10:16 PM, NoOp wrote: Really? Why don't you switch to SM 2.0.11 instead of Thunderbird 3.1.7 and try it? Because I was, (and *am* in the middle of a compile cycle right now). I use Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and Firefox regularly. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/30/2010 10:18 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/30/2010 02:47 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/30/2010 4:15 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 10:05 PM, NoOp wrote: Here is a paste of:https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting to know and work with your system directly from 2.0.11. There are of course more examples in the bug report, but that one works for me. Which is in and of itself not broken. Copy/Paste of it works. You just get spaces, which if you copy/paste that whole string back into SeaMonkey you'll load the page (at the anchor) correctly. But if you mouse over it, you'll see in the status bar that SM doesn't parse beyond the first space, angle brackets notwithstanding, so clicking the link in NoOp's post takes you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting, which yields the top of the page, not the desired bookmark. Here's a clickable link that does take you directly to the bookmark: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting%20to%20know%20and%20work%20with%20your%20system His issue was not link-parsing in mailnews [which, fwiw can be SOLVED with HTML mail, since the link is an anchor tag, in quotes]. but the copy/paste behavior. Which I addressed. Mailnews linkage is a different story as well. (and NOT A BUG imo for mailnews since the auto-link in text-only-mode is correct) You are recommending that I use HTML mail? On a personal opinion only, no I am not recommending HTML mail. [I am sad that it is supported anywhere, but I at least recognize it works and people use it]. I am more saying that the correct way to auto-link in mailnews is as the link was done. I have not yet tested this whole situation much (as I am hitting a trunk bug, XP only, where copy+paste doesn't work, at all. among other things) But if that bug is correct, copy/paste of the whole url-bar should generate %20's its only substring copies that don't. If that is not the case I *would* support a patch [on trunk only] to fix that. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:51:02 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip Chee schrieb: On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:58:14 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp schrieb: wait until they try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no longer are compatible. Who says that they would not be compatible? From all I know, they are perfectly compatible so far. There is an incompatible change in the Lightning schema. It was mentioned in the calendar newsgroups and possibly planet. But IIRC updates work fine with that, just downgrades don't, right? I *think* so but don't quote me on that. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
NoOp wrote: As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. I think you have misunderstood the point of maintenance. New features are always developed on trunk. At some point, we'll put a temporary freeze on new features, to allow as many remaining bugs in those features to be discovered and fixed. Locale strings are also normally frozen at this point. Eventually we decide we're ready and create a release branch. Development on the next version of SeaMonkey can then restart on trunk (in practice we don't have the resources for this until after the release.) Meanwhile the release branch fixes last-minute bugs at which point we can then release the x.x.0 version. But that's not the end of the branch; bugs are always being found, and if they have a severe impact (e.g. data loss, crash) then they are fixed on the branch and typically every month a maintenance release containing these fixes is delivered. -- Warning: May contain traces of nuts. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Neil wrote: NoOp wrote: As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. I think you have misunderstood the point of maintenance. New features are always developed on trunk. At some point, we'll put a temporary freeze on new features, to allow as many remaining bugs in those features to be discovered and fixed. Locale strings are also normally frozen at this point. Eventually we decide we're ready and create a release branch. Development on the next version of SeaMonkey can then restart on trunk (in practice we don't have the resources for this until after the release.) Meanwhile the release branch fixes last-minute bugs at which point we can then release the x.x.0 version. But that's not the end of the branch; bugs are always being found, and if they have a severe impact (e.g. data loss, crash) then they are fixed on the branch and typically every month a maintenance release containing these fixes is delivered. IMHO: The best way if life/status is: 1. Days for creating and testing the new release. 2. The day of the release. 3. Days for staying in maintenance mode. The ending time of the status 3 will be better in the middel of the status 3 of the next new release/major version. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp escribió: Phillip Chee pointed out this in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210#c15 quote The SeaMonkey 2.0.x branch is in maintenance mode. Only security and stability fixes are allowed. /quote If this is the case, then shouldn't standard users be notified of this on: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ particularly since that is the Official download site and the supposed official release of SeaMonkey? Correct me if I'm wrong, but SeaMonkey 2.0.x entered into maintenance mode since the 2.0.0 version, as usually happens with every Mozilla product (the only exception I remember of is Firefox 3.6.4, when OOPP feature was introduced). Being in maintenance mode doesn't mean it is insecure or that it has reached is End Of Life. It means that no new features will be added to that branch. This is no news at all in Mozilla world since I remember (and I'm involved as a localizer to it since 2002). As a 'User' of SeaMonkey (in both personal and production environments), I'd appreciate an official comment from the SeaMonkey devs/project management as to whether SeaMonkey 2.0 is in maintenance mode and if Only security and stability fixes are allowed for 2.0. I'm not an official voice for SeaMonkey Council, but I'm pretty sure the above (both yours and mine) assertions are true. I'd also appreciate comments as to the direction of SeaMonkey; - will users go through yet another SM 1.x to 2.0 transition in the near future? The transition will be 2.0 to 2.1 and it hopefully will be ready shortly after Firefox 4 launch (although this largely depends of available time of core contributors, besides how many people can help with bugs). - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? That's my biggest concern, too. :-) - what can users expect in the 2.0 to 2.1 transition? If you test SM2.1b1, you can see most of the changes. From my own experience, most of the changes are seamless and for the better; I only found some problems importing bookmarks, but I didn't really try it seriously. Well, and of course, Lightning doesn't work at all at the moment. As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. I think you have misunderstood the meaning of maintenance mode. It has always been that way for every major release in Mozilla (as I said, with the OOPP exception of Firefox 3.6.4) that no new features are added and only security and stability fixes are provided for minor releases. HTH ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: NoOp escribió: Phillip Chee pointed out this in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210#c15 quote The SeaMonkey 2.0.x branch is in maintenance mode. Only security and stability fixes are allowed. /quote If this is the case, then shouldn't standard users be notified of this on: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ particularly since that is the Official download site and the supposed official release of SeaMonkey? Correct me if I'm wrong, but SeaMonkey 2.0.x entered into maintenance mode since the 2.0.0 version, as usually happens with every Mozilla product (the only exception I remember of is Firefox 3.6.4, when OOPP feature was introduced). Being in maintenance mode doesn't mean it is insecure or that it has reached is End Of Life. It means that no new features will be added to that branch. This is no news at all in Mozilla world since I remember (and I'm involved as a localizer to it since 2002). As a 'User' of SeaMonkey (in both personal and production environments), I'd appreciate an official comment from the SeaMonkey devs/project management as to whether SeaMonkey 2.0 is in maintenance mode and if Only security and stability fixes are allowed for 2.0. I'm not an official voice for SeaMonkey Council, but I'm pretty sure the above (both yours and mine) assertions are true. I'd also appreciate comments as to the direction of SeaMonkey; - will users go through yet another SM 1.x to 2.0 transition in the near future? The transition will be 2.0 to 2.1 and it hopefully will be ready shortly after Firefox 4 launch (although this largely depends of available time of core contributors, besides how many people can help with bugs). - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? That's my biggest concern, too. :-) - what can users expect in the 2.0 to 2.1 transition? If you test SM2.1b1, you can see most of the changes. From my own experience, most of the changes are seamless and for the better; I only found some problems importing bookmarks, but I didn't really try it seriously. Well, and of course, Lightning doesn't work at all at the moment. Lightning 1.1a1pre (32-bit) works just fine for me in SM 2.1b2pre (32-bit) on openSUSE 11.3. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/nightly/linux-xpi/ Look for the 12/27 1423 KB release, seems like the nightly hasn't been updated since then. Probably no 64-bit version. As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. I think you have misunderstood the meaning of maintenance mode. It has always been that way for every major release in Mozilla (as I said, with the OOPP exception of Firefox 3.6.4) that no new features are added and only security and stability fixes are provided for minor releases. HTH -- SeaMonkey 2.1b2pre ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/29/2010 5:07 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? That's my biggest concern, too.:-) Lightning is an extension, one which does not directly provide support for SeaMonkey, and is also [last I knew] currently targeting Gecko 1.9.2 which there was and is no SeaMonkey release on. We as the Council hopes there is a suitable solution for lightning users, and will support the efforts where possible, but I do not foresee anyone from the SeaMonkey team devoting direct time to get export/import improved in the near future. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/29/2010 5:07 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: As a 'User' of SeaMonkey (in both personal and production environments), I'd appreciate an official comment from the SeaMonkey devs/project management as to whether SeaMonkey 2.0 is in maintenance mode and if Only security and stability fixes are allowed for 2.0. I'm not an official voice for SeaMonkey Council, but I'm pretty sure the above (both yours and mine) assertions are true. They are both correct, and I am a [new, albeit not yet announced] member of the SeaMonkey Council. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/29/2010 04:15 AM, Neil wrote: NoOp wrote: As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. I think you have misunderstood the point of maintenance. New features are always developed on trunk. At some point, we'll put a temporary freeze on new features, to allow as many remaining bugs in those features to be discovered and fixed. Locale strings are also normally frozen at this point. Eventually we decide we're ready and create a release branch. Development on the next version of SeaMonkey can then restart on trunk (in practice we don't have the resources for this until after the release.) Meanwhile the release branch fixes last-minute bugs at which point we can then release the x.x.0 version. But that's not the end of the branch; bugs are always being found, and if they have a severe impact (e.g. data loss, crash) then they are fixed on the branch and typically every month a maintenance release containing these fixes is delivered. I don't think that I've misunderstood; the bug was opened in November 2009 with 2.0.1pre 1.1.18. It was/is well documented, and is an outstanding issue going back to January 2009 (Firefox), see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475896. It is NOT a New feature. There are thousands of 2.0.x SeaMonkey users (at least one would hope so) out there that still have this issue. Marking the bug as 'FIXED' on a yet to be released 2.1 trunk IMO simply doesn't cut it IMO. If we expect users to install 2.1pre versions simply so that they can copy paste a url from the url bar, then I suspect that no fixes in any current version of SeaMonkey (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/) will ever be satisfied. Here is a paste of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting to know and work with your system directly from 2.0.11. There are of course more examples in the bug report, but that one works for me. You know as well as I the release dates: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Old So my point questions stand. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12/29/2010 06:33 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 5:07 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? That's my biggest concern, too.:-) Lightning is an extension, one which does not directly provide support for SeaMonkey, and is also [last I knew] currently targeting Gecko 1.9.2 which there was and is no SeaMonkey release on. We as the Council hopes there is a suitable solution for lightning users, and will support the efforts where possible, but I do not foresee anyone from the SeaMonkey team devoting direct time to get export/import improved in the near future. Then you'd be seriously mistaken. Users have spent considerable time effort integrating lightning calendars data into their systems. If you think that there was backlash with SM 1.1.x and forms, wait until they try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no longer are compatible. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=46t=1248265 http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/Please-help-testing-For-SeaMonkey-2.1-Alpha-1-candidates I *highly* recommend that the Council sort out the issues (personal and technical) with the SeaMonkey Lightning folks *before* any SM 2.1 release. If you don't then I suspect that you'll continue to lose space with MS Office other browser/calendar integration offerings. IMO seamless Lightning integration with SeaMonkey is critical to SeaMonkey's future. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On 12/29/2010 10:26 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/29/2010 06:33 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 5:07 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? That's my biggest concern, too.:-) Lightning is an extension, one which does not directly provide support for SeaMonkey, and is also [last I knew] currently targeting Gecko 1.9.2 which there was and is no SeaMonkey release on. We as the Council hopes there is a suitable solution for lightning users, and will support the efforts where possible, but I do not foresee anyone from the SeaMonkey team devoting direct time to get export/import improved in the near future. I *highly* recommend that the Council sort out the issues (personal and technical) with the SeaMonkey Lightning folks *before* any SM 2.1 release. If you don't then I suspect that you'll continue to lose space with MS Office other browser/calendar integration offerings. IMO seamless Lightning integration with SeaMonkey is critical to SeaMonkey's future. The problem is not one of desire or lack of effort. it is one of resources. We simply do not have the resources to support Lightning issues ourselves, Mozilla Messaging (Thunderbird) whom Lightning is targeting also are not able to devote time to help with critical bugs in Lightning at this time. In the end, people chosing to use it [lightning] or not, it is an extension and we are 100% volunteers. Working on/with code that is much further in scope than either Firefox or Thunderbird [though some of the code is shared]. We do not have a single paid person working on SeaMonkey. If lightning is THAT important to you, dare I ask you assist by devoting some of your time to keeping it working for SeaMonkey. it is the Human Resource issue that we have here, not knowledge or desire. So myself, any others from the SeaMonkey Council and/or any others from the calendar team will be perfectly willing to help coordinate your fixes where they are needed. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On 12/29/2010 10:05 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/29/2010 04:15 AM, Neil wrote: NoOp wrote: As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. I think you have misunderstood the point of maintenance. New features are always developed on trunk. At some point, we'll put a temporary freeze on new features, to allow as many remaining bugs in those features to be discovered and fixed. Locale strings are also normally frozen at this point. Eventually we decide we're ready and create a release branch. Development on the next version of SeaMonkey can then restart on trunk (in practice we don't have the resources for this until after the release.) Meanwhile the release branch fixes last-minute bugs at which point we can then release the x.x.0 version. But that's not the end of the branch; bugs are always being found, and if they have a severe impact (e.g. data loss, crash) then they are fixed on the branch and typically every month a maintenance release containing these fixes is delivered. I don't think that I've misunderstood; Yes you have misunderstood what maintenance mode means. The following part of your explanation does not correlate to what maintenance mode means. nor does it have anything to do with our discussion, even so I'll address those points. the bug was opened in November 2009 with 2.0.1pre 1.1.18. It was/is well documented, and is an outstanding issue going back to January 2009 (Firefox), Yes it was opened against Firefox. and as such was not reported as a SeaMonkey Bug. (So 2.0.1pre, and 1.1.18 are irrelevant here -- even if it exists in SeaMonkey). But lets presume that it was a SeaMonkey bug for sake of argument... it was found AFTER the 2.0.0 release (2.0.1pre) which means it would fall into criteria for a maintenance release. see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475896. It is NOT a New feature. No it is a trivial bug fix that accompanies with it a behavior change that some others may rely on. We do not take behavior changes/new features in a security release. The only behavior changes that matter are those that fix even more serious bugs [not an edge case like this] or are accompanying a real security threat. And are rated on a case by case basis. [read on] There are thousands of 2.0.x SeaMonkey users (at least one would hope so) out there that still have this issue. The bug is valid, so every user has this issue. The fact though is that not every user encounters it, nor of those that do actually care. [or perhaps RELY on the space behavior for other reason] Marking the bug as 'FIXED' on a yet to be released 2.1 trunk IMO simply doesn't cut it IMO. Marking the bug as FIXED didn't happen. Its not fixed, there is not even a reviewed patch that can be requested approval for the maintenance branch. And as I said above, its a Firefox bug, in Firefox code. So nothing (aside from writing the fix it for Firefox ourselves, with our limited resources) we could do for it. If we expect users to install 2.1pre versions simply so that they can copy paste a url from the url bar, then I suspect that no fixes in any current version of SeaMonkey (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/) will ever be satisfied. No, any user can copy/paste a url from the url bar. Pasting back into the urlbar of any current Mozilla-Based application, space or no space, will work just fine. It's said other applications bug if they don't convert ' ' to '%20'. If copy/paste was entirely broken, in SeaMonkey 2.0.x that would be not only a regression, but a blocker imo; and I would be sure to devote resources to fix it, and happy to approve it landing in the 2.0 maintenance branch. Here is a paste of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community#Getting to know and work with your system directly from 2.0.11. There are of course more examples in the bug report, but that one works for me. Which is in and of itself not broken. Copy/Paste of it works. You just get spaces, which if you copy/paste that whole string back into SeaMonkey you'll load the page (at the anchor) correctly. You know as well as I the release dates: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Old So my point questions stand. I don't follow how release dates (from your links) further your point in any way. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
Phillip Chee pointed out this in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210#c15 quote The SeaMonkey 2.0.x branch is in maintenance mode. Only security and stability fixes are allowed. /quote If this is the case, then shouldn't standard users be notified of this on: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ particularly since that is the Official download site and the supposed official release of SeaMonkey? As a 'User' of SeaMonkey (in both personal and production environments), I'd appreciate an official comment from the SeaMonkey devs/project management as to whether SeaMonkey 2.0 is in maintenance mode and if Only security and stability fixes are allowed for 2.0. I'd also appreciate comments as to the direction of SeaMonkey; - will users go through yet another SM 1.x to 2.0 transition in the near future? - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? - what can users expect in the 2.0 to 2.1 transition? SeaMonkey 2.1 is in beta and has not yet been released. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.1b1 quote Be careful! The SeaMonkey version available for download on this page is a testing-only preview of the next generation of our Internet suite. Please test it carefully, it's not yet in a state where we can encourage you to use it for daily browsing and mail operations. For daily use, we strongly advise you to download the current stable release instead. /quote As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. Followup-To set for mozilla.support.seamonkey as this is an user issue/concern. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
NoOp wrote: Phillip Chee pointed out this in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531210#c15 quote The SeaMonkey 2.0.x branch is in maintenance mode. Only security and stability fixes are allowed. /quote If this is the case, then shouldn't standard users be notified of this on: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ particularly since that is the Official download site and the supposed official release of SeaMonkey? As a 'User' of SeaMonkey (in both personal and production environments), I'd appreciate an official comment from the SeaMonkey devs/project management as to whether SeaMonkey 2.0 is in maintenance mode and if Only security and stability fixes are allowed for 2.0. I'd also appreciate comments as to the direction of SeaMonkey; - will users go through yet another SM 1.x to 2.0 transition in the near future? - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? - what can users expect in the 2.0 to 2.1 transition? SeaMonkey 2.1 is in beta and has not yet been released. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.1b1 quote Be careful! The SeaMonkey version available for download on this page is a testing-only preview of the next generation of our Internet suite. Please test it carefully, it's not yet in a state where we can encourage you to use it for daily browsing and mail operations. For daily use, we strongly advise you to download the current stable release instead. /quote As you all know, it was a pretty difficult transition for some users to go from SM 1.x to 2.0. If 2.0 is now maintenance only mode, then I wonder if it is worth continuing with SeaMonkey further. Followup-To set for mozilla.support.seamonkey as this is an user issue/concern. I don't know what you are trying to convey here, but I have been using SM 2.1b2pre (32-bit) exclusively ever since it became available. Never went from v1.x to v2.0.x. I have a separate profile for it, imported bookmarks, created email and newsgroup accounts, installed Lightning 1.1a1pre and it all functions beautifully. You will be impressed. WLS -- SeaMonkey 2.1b2pre ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Adding search to SeaMonkey 2.0
Jens Hatlak wrote: Edward wrote: I am trying to add AOL Search to SeaMonkey. When I go to the web site to install it: https://addons.mozilla.org/seamonkey/downloads/latest/7098/addon-7098-latest.xml?src=search A popup appears telling me that I need a Mozilla-based browser. The message is probably a bit imprecise then. You need a browser that supports OpenSearch. SeaMonkey 2.0 doesn't, SeaMonkey 2.1 will. HTH Jens Yes it does, thank you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Adding search to SeaMonkey 2.0
I am trying to add AOL Search to SeaMonkey. When I go to the web site to install it: https://addons.mozilla.org/seamonkey/downloads/latest/7098/addon-7098-latest.xml?src=search A popup appears telling me that I need a Mozilla-based browser. Last I checked, SeaMonkey -was- Mozilla-based... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Adding search to SeaMonkey 2.0
Edward wrote: I am trying to add AOL Search to SeaMonkey. When I go to the web site to install it: https://addons.mozilla.org/seamonkey/downloads/latest/7098/addon-7098-latest.xml?src=search A popup appears telling me that I need a Mozilla-based browser. The message is probably a bit imprecise then. You need a browser that supports OpenSearch. SeaMonkey 2.0 doesn't, SeaMonkey 2.1 will. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Importing passwords to SM 2.0
Are instructions posted anywhere on how to import passwords from Seamonkey 1.18 on an old PC (Win XP) to Seamonkey 2.0 on a new PC (Win 7) with an entirely new profile? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Importing passwords to SM 2.0
Bill Spikowski wrote: Are instructions posted anywhere on how to import passwords from Seamonkey 1.18 on an old PC (Win XP) to Seamonkey 2.0 on a new PC (Win 7) with an entirely new profile? http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1978391 describes two possible approaches. I haven't checked either of them since the recommended way of migrating from SM 1.1 to SM 2 is to use the migration wizard: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey Alternatively you could go to about:config in SM 1.1 and search for signon.SignonFileName. That should give you the name of the file that you need to copy from your SM 1.1 profile folder to the SM 2 profile folder (and rename it to signons2.txt, which is the Firefox 2 equivalent). If you use a Master Password, you'll need to copy the file key3.db as well. Background: http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/#transferring_passwords HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Importing passwords to SM 2.0
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: Are instructions posted anywhere on how to import passwords from Seamonkey 1.18 on an old PC (Win XP) to Seamonkey 2.0 on a new PC (Win 7) with an entirely new profile? http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1978391 describes two possible approaches. I haven't checked either of them since the recommended way of migrating from SM 1.1 to SM 2 is to use the migration wizard: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey Alternatively you could go to about:config in SM 1.1 and search for signon.SignonFileName. That should give you the name of the file that you need to copy from your SM 1.1 profile folder to the SM 2 profile folder (and rename it to signons2.txt, which is the Firefox 2 equivalent). If you use a Master Password, you'll need to copy the file key3.db as well. Background: http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/#transferring_passwords HTH Thank you Jens. I had to delete signons.sqlite too, but now I have all my passwords on the new PC! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Is next/prev/up/etc. bar still in SeaMonkey (2.0)?
SeaMonkey 1.1.x used to automatically add a toolbar when an HTML document contained links such as the following: link rel=prev href=box.html link rel=next href=visudet.html link rel=index href=indexlist.html title=index link rel=first href=cover.html My SeaMonkey 2.0 doesn't do that, at least by default? What's the name of that toolbar? Does SeaMonkey 2.0 still provide it? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is next/prev/up/etc. bar still in SeaMonkey (2.0)?
Daniel Barclay wrote: SeaMonkey 1.1.x used to automatically add a toolbar when an HTML document contained links such as the following: link rel=prev href=box.html link rel=next href=visudet.html link rel=index href=indexlist.html title=index link rel=first href=cover.html My SeaMonkey 2.0 doesn't do that, at least by default? What's the name of that toolbar? Does SeaMonkey 2.0 still provide it? Daniel Possibly: View Show/Hide Site Navigation Bar ?? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is next/prev/up/etc. bar still in SeaMonkey (2.0)?
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: SeaMonkey 1.1.x used to automatically add a toolbar when an HTML document contained links such as the following: link rel=prev href=box.html ... What's the name of that toolbar? Does SeaMonkey 2.0 still provide it? ... Possibly: View Show/Hide Site Navigation Bar ?? Yes, that's it. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Different layout on Windows or Linux (SM 2.0.x)
Lucas Levrel schrieb: Le 27 juillet 2010, P.N. a écrit : When looking at www.esprit.de, the detail views are shown differently on windows (shown correctly) and linux (the big photo is shown overlayed by the small ones at the frame's left side). Using Gentoo Linux. I don't understand what are the detail views you're talking about. I see no problem on the main page of which you gave the URL. Could you make a screenshot? Thank You for answering. I'll send a screenshot later (I'm not at my linux box, currently). The detail view I'm talking about is just this: 1. Select a category from the header frame, e.g. women. 2. Select a subcategory in the left-side navigation, e.g. kleider 3. In the submenu shown then, select e.g. feminine favourites Some pictures will be shown, click on one of them, an You'll see a detailed view with different perspectives. Kind regards Peter ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Different layout on Windows or Linux (SM 2.0.x)
Le 27 juillet 2010, P.N. a écrit : When looking at www.esprit.de, the detail views are shown differently on windows (shown correctly) and linux (the big photo is shown overlayed by the small ones at the frame's left side). Using Gentoo Linux. I don't understand what are the detail views you're talking about. I see no problem on the main page of which you gave the URL. Could you make a screenshot? -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Different layout on Windows or Linux (SM 2.0.x)
Hello! When looking at www.esprit.de, the detail views are shown differently on windows (shown correctly) and linux (the big photo is shown overlayed by the small ones at the frame's left side). Using Gentoo Linux. Kind regards Peter ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
userChrome.css and Seamonkey 2.0
Hi, Where can I read an explanation on how customise by myself Seamonkey by CSS, I have customised the browser for my netBook (the fonts were too big) but I didn't found explanations for the mail tabs. I opened some xpi themes for inspiration but it's too obscure for me and I have already disabled icons by the menu. An explanation in french will be better for me :) http://pasdenom.info/css/userChrome.css -- Stéphane ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ROT13 decoding with Seamonkey 2.0.x?
Hi Andreas Bockelmann a tapoté, le 01/04/2010 08:48 sur le groupe netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey : Hello group, since I had some issues, especially with ebay.de, when I uses my Seamonkey 1.9 as browser, I updated to version 2.0.3. In the older version I used mnenhy for rot13, and customizing. Now mnenhy will not install since it is not compatible with 2.x versions of seamonkey. Now I'm missing my rot13-function. Mnenhy now works with Seamonkey 2.0.* http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/ Copy and FU2 mozilla.support.seamonkey -- Stéphane http://pasdenom.info/fortune ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tone when printing in SeaMonkey 2.0+
art ha scritto: On 4/21/10 8:02 AM, Reed wrote: When upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0+. Now when I keystroke Cmd-P for printing I hear a tone. This featur can it be removed? OS is Tiger 10.4.11 I experience the same on 10.4.11 with most keyboard commands such as cmd/C, cmd/X, cmd/V, cmd/shift/C (mark all read). The functions operate properly. This was not a problem prior to SM2. Hi, the same for me, when I type cmd/U (I use it several times a day to copy-past headers from spam messages) or cmd/P. The way to block this is to open the browser window and enter: about:config In the search bar, enter: accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound Double click on this setting to change the state to false. That doesn't work :( Gabriele ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tone when printing in SeaMonkey 2.0+
On 4/21/10 8:02 AM, Reed wrote: When upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0+. Now when I keystroke Cmd-P for printing I hear a tone. This featur can it be removed? OS is Tiger 10.4.11 I experience the same on 10.4.11 with most keyboard commands such as cmd/C, cmd/X, cmd/V, cmd/shift/C (mark all read). The functions operate properly. This was not a problem prior to SM2. The way to block this is to open the browser window and enter: about:config In the search bar, enter: accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound Double click on this setting to change the state to false. Or just hit the mute button on the keyboard :-). -- Art ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tone when printing in SeaMonkey 2.0+
Art: Thanks! I'd use the 'mute' button but times I have streaming audio as I use SM. Reed art wrote: On 4/21/10 8:02 AM, Reed wrote: When upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0+. Now when I keystroke Cmd-P for printing I hear a tone. This featur can it be removed? OS is Tiger 10.4.11 I experience the same on 10.4.11 with most keyboard commands such as cmd/C, cmd/X, cmd/V, cmd/shift/C (mark all read). The functions operate properly. This was not a problem prior to SM2. The way to block this is to open the browser window and enter: about:config In the search bar, enter: accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound Double click on this setting to change the state to false. Or just hit the mute button on the keyboard :-). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Revision response to Re: Tone when printing in SeaMonkey 2.0+
Art: Attempted the fix. Did not work on this end. Yes, versions of SM below 2.0 worked fine. This toning issue I have experienced in Thunderbird, Postbox etc all Mozilla based. Reed art wrote: On 4/21/10 8:02 AM, Reed wrote: When upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0+. Now when I keystroke Cmd-P for printing I hear a tone. This featur can it be removed? OS is Tiger 10.4.11 I experience the same on 10.4.11 with most keyboard commands such as cmd/C, cmd/X, cmd/V, cmd/shift/C (mark all read). The functions operate properly. This was not a problem prior to SM2. The way to block this is to open the browser window and enter: about:config In the search bar, enter: accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound Double click on this setting to change the state to false. Or just hit the mute button on the keyboard :-). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Revision response to Re: Tone when printing in SeaMonkey 2.0+
Reed, After more testing, you are correct. What does seem to work is to execute a command that has a defined keyboard equiv. once from the menu. Then subsequent commands via keyboard equiv's won't ring the system sound. It appears that even doing a Copy command via the menu will fix it. Not sure if this fix will always stick between subsequent launches of SM , logouts or OSX reboots. Art On 4/23/10 9:00 AM, Reed wrote: Art: Attempted the fix. Did not work on this end. Yes, versions of SM below 2.0 worked fine. This toning issue I have experienced in Thunderbird, Postbox etc all Mozilla based. Reed art wrote: On 4/21/10 8:02 AM, Reed wrote: When upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0+. Now when I keystroke Cmd-P for printing I hear a tone. This featur can it be removed? OS is Tiger 10.4.11 I experience the same on 10.4.11 with most keyboard commands such as cmd/C, cmd/X, cmd/V, cmd/shift/C (mark all read). The functions operate properly. This was not a problem prior to SM2. The way to block this is to open the browser window and enter: about:config In the search bar, enter: accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound Double click on this setting to change the state to false. Or just hit the mute button on the keyboard :-). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Revision response to Re: Tone when printing in SeaMonkey 2.0+
Art: Does not hold just like if you mouse up to the 'file' drop down box and pring by clicking--- no sound. After this action I can cmd-p anytime with no 'tone' Exit and launch. cmd-p will tone. Just annoying. Reed art wrote: Reed, After more testing, you are correct. What does seem to work is to execute a command that has a defined keyboard equiv. once from the menu. Then subsequent commands via keyboard equiv's won't ring the system sound. It appears that even doing a Copy command via the menu will fix it. Not sure if this fix will always stick between subsequent launches of SM , logouts or OSX reboots. Art On 4/23/10 9:00 AM, Reed wrote: Art: Attempted the fix. Did not work on this end. Yes, versions of SM below 2.0 worked fine. This toning issue I have experienced in Thunderbird, Postbox etc all Mozilla based. Reed art wrote: On 4/21/10 8:02 AM, Reed wrote: When upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0+. Now when I keystroke Cmd-P for printing I hear a tone. This featur can it be removed? OS is Tiger 10.4.11 I experience the same on 10.4.11 with most keyboard commands such as cmd/C, cmd/X, cmd/V, cmd/shift/C (mark all read). The functions operate properly. This was not a problem prior to SM2. The way to block this is to open the browser window and enter: about:config In the search bar, enter: accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound Double click on this setting to change the state to false. Or just hit the mute button on the keyboard :-). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Tone when printing in SeaMonkey 2.0+
When upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0+. Now when I keystroke Cmd-P for printing I hear a tone. This featur can it be removed? OS is Tiger 10.4.11 Reed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.0 How do I lock the start-up mail directory structure displayed in the sidebar?
I've got one computer that preserves the way I want the mail storage directory structure to display at start-up. On another computer it collapses to Local Folders at every start-up and expands to show everything instead of the way it was last left. I've gone through the config file and the entries that seem like they might be connected to this are the same on both machines. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 How do I lock the start-up mail directory structure displayed in the sidebar?
John: I've got one computer that preserves the way I want the mail storage directory structure to display at start-up. On another computer it collapses to Local Folders at every start-up and expands to show everything instead of the way it was last left. I've gone through the config file and the entries that seem like they might be connected to this are the same on both machines. Not sure if i understand correctly. Maybe this pref helps: - user.js - user_pref(news.persist_server_open_state_in_folderpane, true) --- Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 How do I lock the start-up mail directory structure displayed in the sidebar?
Hartmut Figge: user_pref(news.persist_server_open_state_in_folderpane, true) CP error. There should be a semicolon at the end. ;) user_pref(news.persist_server_open_state_in_folderpane, true); Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 How do I lock the start-up mail directory structure displayed in the sidebar?
Hartmut Figge wrote: John: I've got one computer that preserves the way I want the mail storage directory structure to display at start-up. On another computer it collapses to Local Folders at every start-up and expands to show everything instead of the way it was last left. I've gone through the config file and the entries that seem like they might be connected to this are the same on both machines. Not sure if i understand correctly. Maybe this pref helps: - user.js - user_pref(news.persist_server_open_state_in_folderpane, true) --- Hartmut That doesn't show up in about:config for SM2, does for SM 1.1.xx. Some other value there? Just user-defining it? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser crashes seamonkey whenever invoked since version 2.0
Steven Holt wrote: I've updated from 2.0 to v. 2.03 and still the browser immediately blows up the whole program every time it is invoked. The browser window tries to open and before anything fills into the all white browser window, seamonkey dies and goes to an error reporting message box. I've asked for help with this in the box and so far zero response. The problem started after a browser crash. I suspect that there is a page that was in this very last crashed session that is causing the endlessly ongoing crash, How can I clear the last session out of the way without losing all my emails and passwords etc? Best, Steve Holt Try going into the profile and saving your mailbox and news Directories and folders. and possibly your passwords. then completely remove the profile and dump in Trash (wastebasket) then reopen SM let it create an ew profile. Quit then add back your news and mail folders. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser crashes seamonkey whenever invoked since version 2.0
On 3/11/2010 6:46 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Steven Holt wrote: I've updated from 2.0 to v. 2.03 and still the browser immediately blows up the whole program every time it is invoked. The browser window tries to open and before anything fills into the all white browser window, seamonkey dies and goes to an error reporting message box. I've asked for help with this in the box and so far zero response. The problem started after a browser crash. I suspect that there is a page that was in this very last crashed session that is causing the endlessly ongoing crash, How can I clear the last session out of the way without losing all my emails and passwords etc? Best, Steve Holt Try going into the profile and saving your mailbox and news Directories and folders. and possibly your passwords. then completely remove the profile and dump in Trash (wastebasket) then reopen SM let it create an ew profile. Quit then add back your news and mail folders. My goodness. Delete all the contents of the profile, just to see if it was a problem with the profile? Hint: There's more there than what you've recommended that the OP save off. Following your recommendation, he would lose a lot of content just for this test. Why not just create a new profile and test using that? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser crashes seamonkey whenever invoked since version 2.0
Mark Hansen wrote: On 3/11/2010 6:46 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Steven Holt wrote: I've updated from 2.0 to v. 2.03 and still the browser immediately blows up the whole program every time it is invoked. The browser window tries to open and before anything fills into the all white browser window, seamonkey dies and goes to an error reporting message box. I've asked for help with this in the box and so far zero response. The problem started after a browser crash. I suspect that there is a page that was in this very last crashed session that is causing the endlessly ongoing crash, How can I clear the last session out of the way without losing all my emails and passwords etc? Best, Steve Holt Try going into the profile and saving your mailbox and news Directories and folders. and possibly your passwords. then completely remove the profile and dump in Trash (wastebasket) then reopen SM let it create an ew profile. Quit then add back your news and mail folders. My goodness. Delete all the contents of the profile, just to see if it was a problem with the profile? Hint: There's more there than what you've recommended that the OP save off. Following your recommendation, he would lose a lot of content just for this test. Why not just create a new profile and test using that? Normally you would, but he indicated as soon as you got to the browser SM dies (crashes) and if he should have set to open on web page rather than than mail news. what then?? if it will stay open long enough to do so by all means create a new profile. But he sounded as if as soon as SM opened it went to white screen then crashed. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser crashes seamonkey whenever invoked since version 2.0
On 3/11/2010 11:12 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: Why not just create a new profile and test using that? Normally you would, but he indicated as soon as you got to the browser SM dies (crashes) and if he should have set to open on web page rather than than mail news. what then?? if it will stay open long enough to do so by all means create a new profile. But he sounded as if as soon as SM opened it went to white screen then crashed. Why not launch the profile manager? At the very least, before you tell someone to delete a bunch of their files (for a test) at least advise them to back up the files first. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser crashes seamonkey whenever invoked since version 2.0
Mark Hansen wrote: On 3/11/2010 11:12 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: Why not just create a new profile and test using that? Normally you would, but he indicated as soon as you got to the browser SM dies (crashes) and if he should have set to open on web page rather than than mail news. what then?? if it will stay open long enough to do so by all means create a new profile. But he sounded as if as soon as SM opened it went to white screen then crashed. Why not launch the profile manager? At the very least, before you tell someone to delete a bunch of their files (for a test) at least advise them to back up the files first. That's the reason I suggested making back up copies of the mail and news folders, you can always re added your themes and extensions. If SM will allow you to open the Profile manager by all means open profile menu and setting up new profile. and see what happens. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser crashes seamonkey whenever invoked since version 2.0
On 3/11/2010 6:30 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 3/11/2010 11:12 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: Why not just create a new profile and test using that? Normally you would, but he indicated as soon as you got to the browser SM dies (crashes) and if he should have set to open on web page rather than than mail news. what then?? if it will stay open long enough to do so by all means create a new profile. But he sounded as if as soon as SM opened it went to white screen then crashed. Why not launch the profile manager? At the very least, before you tell someone to delete a bunch of their files (for a test) at least advise them to back up the files first. That's the reason I suggested making back up copies of the mail and news folders, you can always re added your themes and extensions. There's more there. Hopefully, no one will actually take your advice so I suspect it doesn't really matter. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Browser crashes seamonkey whenever invoked since version 2.0
I've updated from 2.0 to v. 2.03 and still the browser immediately blows up the whole program every time it is invoked. The browser window tries to open and before anything fills into the all white browser window, seamonkey dies and goes to an error reporting message box. I've asked for help with this in the box and so far zero response. The problem started after a browser crash. I suspect that there is a page that was in this very last crashed session that is causing the endlessly ongoing crash, How can I clear the last session out of the way without losing all my emails and passwords etc? Best, Steve Holt ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 = 2.0.x migrate ignores chatzilla?
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Why do I get an empty chatzilla after migrate? No preference, no scripts, empty virgin CZ like I downloaded it from the website. It's bad enough that users have to migrate every profile totally manually if they have more than one, but the CZ didn't migrate it looks like a clean new install. AFAIK ChatZilla prefs are migrated, as are Venkman (JavaScript Debugger) and DOM Inspector prefs. At least that's what I understand when looking at the source: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-1.9.1/source/suite/profile/migration/src/nsSeamonkeyProfileMigrator.cpp#602 extensions.irc. is part of the list of pref branches that are copied completely (AFAICT). If you're missing some settings you could try to find them by looking at SM 1.1.x's about:config and check whether they exist in SM 2's about:config. I certainly appreciate having some direction to look, and knowing that migration is intended I can do some testing (Linux is nice that way, I can create users as well as profiles). I had commands defined such that as soon as I connect to one certain server it should log me in and into two rooms, the user support room, and the physics discussion room. Those commands just don't seem to have made the jump, will test more now that I know something should have happened. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help with Lightning for Seamonkey 2.0
Cecil Bankston schrieb: Lightning 1.0b2pre installed with no problems and seems to be working well in SM 2.0.2. Get the latest (Windows) nightly build from this URL Don't use use nightlies if you are a user, as there is a (beta) release that works. I think I recall that the latest release version would not install in SM 2.x. Just use Lightning 1.0 Beta 1 from addons.mozilla.org as that one works fine with all SeaMonkey 2.0.x versions. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
