Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Edward]

Ant wrote:

On 8/19/2020 4:20 AM, Edward wrote:


I looked at both Firefox and SeaMonkey. The entry for 
browser.cache.memory.capacity is showing '-1' in Firefox. However, in 
SeaMonkey, the same entry shows 'default', 'integer' and '20'.


The information on 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity appears to be 
accurate. So I'm sure there must be some explanation as to why 
'20' is displayed in SeaMonkey rather than '-1' or '0'?


Maybe it is because of the older Gecko version?


Don't know. I changed it to -1 and restarted. Did not notice any 
difference in performance. I assume the '20' reference is 200Mb.


I also made another couple of changes so that it currently uses the 
memory for the cache, instead of the disk, to see how SM performs.



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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/19/2020 4:20 AM, Edward wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


How fast is your internet connection?  If it is high speed you might
find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and
have only a memory cache.  Disk access is much slower than memory
access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow
response if you have a high speed connection.


I looked at both Firefox and SeaMonkey. The entry for 
browser.cache.memory.capacity is showing '-1' in Firefox. However, in 
SeaMonkey, the same entry shows 'default', 'integer' and '20'.


The information on 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity appears to be 
accurate. So I'm sure there must be some explanation as to why '20' 
is displayed in SeaMonkey rather than '-1' or '0'?


Maybe it is because of the older Gecko version?
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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Edward]

Edward wrote:

Edward wrote:

Edward wrote:

In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, 
but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here.


I removed the uBlock Origin legacy add-on obtained from github via a 
link in this newsgroup. Noticed afterwards that even after removal, 
some ads were still being blocked.


The add-on added four entries to the config file (search for 
'ublock'), once removed by resetting them and relaunching SeaMonkey, 
some ads continue to be blocked.


It would appear that once this add-on is removed, there are remnants 
of it still installed.


I tested this against https://canyoublockit.com/ and the results 
indicated there is still an ad-blocker installed, so removing that 
add-on, did NOT remove all remnants of it.


WARNING: There are two options at Cam You Block It. Please be aware that 
choosing their Extreme Test will display/load pop-ups that are NSFW (not 
suitable for work)!


Their Simple Test did not display the described pop-ups.


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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Edward]

Edward wrote:

Edward wrote:

In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, 
but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here.


I removed the uBlock Origin legacy add-on obtained from github via a 
link in this newsgroup. Noticed afterwards that even after removal, some 
ads were still being blocked.


The add-on added four entries to the config file (search for 'ublock'), 
once removed by resetting them and relaunching SeaMonkey, some ads 
continue to be blocked.


It would appear that once this add-on is removed, there are remnants of 
it still installed.


I tested this against https://canyoublockit.com/ and the results 
indicated there is still an ad-blocker installed, so removing that 
add-on, did NOT remove all remnants of it.




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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Edward]

Edward wrote:

In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, 
but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here.


I removed the uBlock Origin legacy add-on obtained from github via a 
link in this newsgroup. Noticed afterwards that even after removal, some 
ads were still being blocked.


The add-on added four entries to the config file (search for 'ublock'), 
once removed by resetting them and relaunching SeaMonkey, some ads 
continue to be blocked.


It would appear that once this add-on is removed, there are remnants of 
it still installed.


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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Edward]

David H. Durgee wrote:


How fast is your internet connection?  If it is high speed you might
find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and
have only a memory cache.  Disk access is much slower than memory
access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow
response if you have a high speed connection.


I looked at both Firefox and SeaMonkey. The entry for 
browser.cache.memory.capacity is showing '-1' in Firefox. However, in 
SeaMonkey, the same entry shows 'default', 'integer' and '20'.


The information on 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity appears to be 
accurate. So I'm sure there must be some explanation as to why '20' 
is displayed in SeaMonkey rather than '-1' or '0'?




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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 2:18 PM, NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
...

UO Legacy (v1.16.4.24) here too. Yeah. :(


As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least 
temporarily.


If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe 
that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than 
Seamonkey itself.


Interesting. That diabled UO made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, 
but I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads.


I fully agree about not liking Google, although that does indicate that 
uBlock may be a part of your problem.  Still, it's hard to tell if 
that's the true source of the problem, or something else, where uBlock 
is merely the symptom.


I wonder what is causing it. It currently shows 146,392 network filters 
＋ 70,867 cosmetic filters. Here's what my settings look like from my 
uploaded screen shot/capture: https://screenshot.cz/KG/KGLP5/uo.gif. :)



One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how 
frequently do you clear it? 


I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per 
month. Last one was last week.


Also, how full is your hard disk? 




I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: 
drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)


That removes obvious sources, but worth verifying.

I'm wondering if your hard disk may be an issue, although that's getting 
out of the realm of anything specific to Seamonkey.


I know that several years ago, I saw more than one machine that was 
really struggling on performance with Firefox, and when all my standard 
performance troubleshooting techniques didn't turn up anything, I found 
that when I ran a SMART check of the hard drive, I was getting errors 
there. In each case, replacement of the hard drive cleared the errors.


Funny, I ran GSsmartControl yesterday and it had no errors after its two 
short tests. I didn't try its long tests yet (take about five hours!). 
If it was HDD related, then I would have issues outside of SM too.

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 1:50 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:
...

I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C:
drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)


How fast is your internet connection?  If it is high speed you might
find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and
have only a memory cache.  Disk access is much slower than memory
access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow
response if you have a high speed connection.


200/20 on cable, but sometimes I have to use my iPhone 6+'s hotspot that 
is slow as dial-up and unstable due to rural location. Also, I like to 
restore tabs a lot with my inputted forms (assuming they get 
remembered). I'd hate to lose things like that. :(

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:

On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
...

UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(


As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least 
temporarily.


If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe 
that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than 
Seamonkey itself.


Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but 
I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads.


I fully agree about not liking Google, although that does indicate that 
uBlock may be a part of your problem.  Still, it's hard to tell if 
that's the true source of the problem, or something else, where uBlock 
is merely the symptom.


One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how 
frequently do you clear it?  


I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per 
month. Last one was last week.


Also, how full is your hard disk?  




I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: 
drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)


That removes obvious sources, but worth verifying.

I'm wondering if your hard disk may be an issue, although that's getting 
out of the realm of anything specific to Seamonkey.


I know that several years ago, I saw more than one machine that was 
really struggling on performance with Firefox, and when all my standard 
performance troubleshooting techniques didn't turn up anything, I found 
that when I ran a SMART check of the hard drive, I was getting errors 
there. In each case, replacement of the hard drive cleared the errors.


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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[David H. Durgee]

Ant wrote:
> On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
> ...
>>> UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(
>>
>> As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least
>> temporarily.
>>
>> If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe
>> that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than
>> Seamonkey itself.
> 
> Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but
> I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads.
> 
> 
>> One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how
>> frequently do you clear it?  On my setup, I only run 10 GB, and I
>> think it's not a problem to go even smaller than that.  In the current
>> Internet, which is scripting-heavy, and ubiquitous broadband is
>> assumed, cache is far less important that it was in the days of
>> dial-up connections. I find that a lot of display-related issues go
>> away with clearing cache, and forcing sites to download full pages.
> 
> I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per
> month. Last one was last week.
> 
> 
>> Also, how full is your hard disk?  If you're running at more than 75%
>> capacity, then the disk is effectively full, and there's not adequate
>> space for system usage and burst demand.  If your disk is that full,
>> then you want to investigate cleanups, including clearing browser
>> cache, as well as cleaning up temp files, Windows Error reports,
>> emptying your trash, etc.
> 
> 
> I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C:
> drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)

How fast is your internet connection?  If it is high speed you might
find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and
have only a memory cache.  Disk access is much slower than memory
access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow
response if you have a high speed connection.

Dave
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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
...

UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(


As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least temporarily.

If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe 
that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than 
Seamonkey itself.


Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but 
I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads.



One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how 
frequently do you clear it?  On my setup, I only run 10 GB, and I think 
it's not a problem to go even smaller than that.  In the current 
Internet, which is scripting-heavy, and ubiquitous broadband is assumed, 
cache is far less important that it was in the days of dial-up 
connections. I find that a lot of display-related issues go away with 
clearing cache, and forcing sites to download full pages.


I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per 
month. Last one was last week.



Also, how full is your hard disk?  If you're running at more than 75% 
capacity, then the disk is effectively full, and there's not adequate 
space for system usage and burst demand.  If your disk is that full, 
then you want to investigate cleanups, including clearing browser cache, 
as well as cleaning up temp files, Windows Error reports, emptying your 
trash, etc.



I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: 
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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 11:58 AM, EE wrote:
...
When I was using Windows, I found that everything slowed down if the 
swap file got fragmented.  I was able to move it to the beginning of 
another partition on the hard drive so that it would not be fragmented, 
and windows was more efficient after that.


I used third party defraggers to move them offline (outside of Windows) 
in the past.

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

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Edward wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


Sounds like you are swapping a lot.  How much memory do you have?  For
example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system.

If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out
other programs to free up memory.  If your memory is maxed out and you
are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware.

Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they
used to be.  Not much else can be done about it.

Dave
I posted in another thread about SeaMonkey getting slow when it began 
use the Linux Swap space. It began to slow down once it started using Swap.



When I was using Windows, I found that everything slowed down if the 
swap file got fragmented.  I was able to move it to the beginning of 
another partition on the hard drive so that it would not be fragmented, 
and windows was more efficient after that.


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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

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Ant wrote:

On 8/18/2020 10:41 AM, NFN Smith wrote:



How much RAM do you have?


6 GB of RAM.


Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming 
from Seamonkey?


Like 1 GB with seamonkey.exe.



To me, that combination should be OK, but has been noted elsewhere, it 
does indicate that there's memory swapping happening.




What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing 
filters?


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User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3


Extensions (enabled: 6)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.17.2 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/)
* Expire history by days [converted] 1.2.0
* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.24 
(https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy)


I'm a PrefBar fan, but I've never seen that to cause issues. Beyond 
uBlock Origin, I'm not familiar with the others, but none look like they 
should be a problem.


On uBlock, how many subscriptions do you have, especially more than the 
default?  You might want to see what happens when you temporarily 
disable that one.




Mailing filters? No, I don't use any in http://gmail.com's web site.
Also, I am only there for just quick sessions (up to ten minutes).


That's the way I use gmail, as well. Log in, see what I want to see, log 
out again. With NoScript, I'm aggressive about blocking scripts, but at 
an official Google site, I've found that it's necessary to not block any 
Google scripting hosts (including gstatic) if I want things to behave 
properly.  The only exceptions I've found is that it's safe to block 
google-analytics, and if I'm not explicitly trying to get something from 
YouTube, it's safe to block that, as well.


Now that I think of it, I know that FRG has noted that there's an 
increase of issues between Seamonkey and Google, especially 
video-related stuff, and things that Google is doing that aren't 
compatible.  I think I've seen commentary about issues with YouTube, 
although I haven't had any issues there, but I don't make a lot of use 
of YouTube.


OTOH, the one thing that I've encountered is that at Google's main 
search page, the cursor display in the search bar is about half a line 
offset. I also don't use that page regularly, and the offset of cursor 
and text is mostly annoyance, but I found that when I use PrefBar to 
show a User Agent string that's stock Firefox (and no mention of 
Seamonkey) that fixes the problem.  Rather than using PrefBar to do 
temporary spoofing (and having to remember to remove spoofing when I'm 
done), I found that it's easier to simply tell Google that I'm running 
Firefox ESR, by going to about:config and setting 
general.useragent.override.google.com to show Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 
10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 .


Although UA spoofing may not fix this particular problem, it does seem 
that google is happier if you don't confuse them with the presence of 
Seamonkey in your UA.






If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active 
scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as 
scripting from previously-opened tabs in the browser.  I've found that 
sometimes running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and 
sometimes improve performance a little.


I tried to do that after Gmail's sessions, but so dang slow and 
unresponsive!


Definitely painful.




I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a 
morning after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of 
those forms that launches a script for every single field.  Everything 
was really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was 
getting scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful.  The only 
reason I didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the 
form over from the beginning again.


Oh, I hate those!!


Yep. One of the effects of NoScript is that if I'm at a purchasing site, 
and I get to the end of a form, and find that there's an essential 
scripting host that hasn't been enabled, enabling that extra host causes 
the form to clear, and I have to start over.  Maybe I should see what 
happens if I adjust NoScript to not do a form reload if permissions get 
changed.





I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin 
(and Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the 
culprit for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I 
tend to block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if 
they're not ads).


All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice 
a lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active 
overnight.


UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(


As noted, see what happens when 

Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 10:41 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:


Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's 
single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond 
for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big 
time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something 
recently again? :( What about your computer(s)?


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)



How much RAM do you have?


6 GB of RAM.


Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming 
from Seamonkey?


Like 1 GB with seamonkey.exe.


What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing 
filters?


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User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
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Extensions (enabled: 6)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.17.2 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/)
* Expire history by days [converted] 1.2.0
* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.24 
(https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy)


Mailing filters? No, I don't use any in http://gmail.com's web site.
Also, I am only there for just quick sessions (up to ten minutes).


It could be that there may be some sort of script that's active, 
although I've never seen anything hammer just one core.


I've long suspected that there's some sort of memory leak issue in 
Seamonkey, but I've never gotten any further than that.  I know that 
when I leave it on for a long time (especially overnight) I often see 
relative high memory use (sometimes, in excess of 2 GB), really slow 
performance, and more frequent warnings of timeouts on scripts.  A 
restart of Seamonkey normally clears that problem.


Yes, that but I can reproduce that within minutes like on YouTube, 
LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, etc.



If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active 
scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as scripting 
from previously-opened tabs in the browser.  I've found that sometimes 
running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and sometimes improve 
performance a little.


I tried to do that after Gmail's sessions, but so dang slow and 
unresponsive!



I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a morning 
after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of those 
forms that launches a script for every single field.  Everything was 
really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was getting 
scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful.  The only reason I 
didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the form over 
from the beginning again.


Oh, I hate those!!


I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and 
Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit 
for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to 
block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads).


All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a 
lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active 
overnight.


UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(
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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Edward]

NFN Smith wrote:

I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and 
Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit 
for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to 
block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads).


All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a 
lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active 
overnight.


Smith



In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, 
but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here.



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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 10:34 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:

Ant wrote:

Hello.

Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's
single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond
for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big
time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently
again? :( What about your computer(s)?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)


Sounds like you are swapping a lot.  How much memory do you have?  For
example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system.


6 GB of RAM, but SM was only using 1 GB. :/



Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they
used to be.  Not much else can be done about it.


This agree like with YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, etc. but 
Gmail wasn't like this. It looks the same?


I was curious if anyone else noticed this Gmail problem too or is it 
just me? It only happens after I use and log off Gmail.

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:


Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's 
single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond 
for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big 
time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently 
again? :( What about your computer(s)?


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)



How much RAM do you have?

Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming 
from Seamonkey?


What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing 
filters?



It could be that there may be some sort of script that's active, 
although I've never seen anything hammer just one core.


I've long suspected that there's some sort of memory leak issue in 
Seamonkey, but I've never gotten any further than that.  I know that 
when I leave it on for a long time (especially overnight) I often see 
relative high memory use (sometimes, in excess of 2 GB), really slow 
performance, and more frequent warnings of timeouts on scripts.  A 
restart of Seamonkey normally clears that problem.


If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active 
scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as scripting 
from previously-opened tabs in the browser.  I've found that sometimes 
running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and sometimes improve 
performance a little.


I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a morning 
after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of those 
forms that launches a script for every single field.  Everything was 
really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was getting 
scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful.  The only reason I 
didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the form over 
from the beginning again.


I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and 
Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit 
for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to 
block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads).


All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a 
lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active 
overnight.


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[Edward]

David H. Durgee wrote:


Sounds like you are swapping a lot.  How much memory do you have?  For
example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system.

If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out
other programs to free up memory.  If your memory is maxed out and you
are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware.

Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they
used to be.  Not much else can be done about it.

Dave
I posted in another thread about SeaMonkey getting slow when it began 
use the Linux Swap space. It began to slow down once it started using Swap.



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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[David H. Durgee]

Ant wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's
> single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond
> for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big
> time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently
> again? :( What about your computer(s)?
> 
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

Sounds like you are swapping a lot.  How much memory do you have?  For
example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system.

If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out
other programs to free up memory.  If your memory is maxed out and you
are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware.

Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they
used to be.  Not much else can be done about it.

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Hello.

Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's 
single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond 
for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big 
time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently 
again? :( What about your computer(s)?


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

[David E. Ross]

On 6/28/2019 4:59 AM, Ant wrote:
> On 6/26/2019 3:13 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> ...
>> I had a similar problem this morning with a different Web site.
>> Although that site's technical support insisted that the site carried NO
>> advertisements, I was finally able to login after I disabled AdBlock Plus.
> 
> I hate that, but I use uBlock Origin. Which web site was it?
> 

An AARP site where I am taking an online class.

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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

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On 6/26/2019 3:13 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...

I had a similar problem this morning with a different Web site.
Although that site's technical support insisted that the site carried NO
advertisements, I was finally able to login after I disabled AdBlock Plus.


I hate that, but I use uBlock Origin. Which web site was it?
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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

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On 26/06/19 22:52, bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

I Am having challenges with logging into cruisecritic.com from two 
(2)of my three (3) systems all running SM 2.49.4 and W10 Pro.


All of the configurations are the same, with a few differences in 
programs on each system.


No upgrades or changes to the systems, except W10 update for each one.
...


Sorry, I needed to add that upon arriving at the page and clicking 
'login' nothing happens at all.


...


Here I get redirected to www.cruisecritic.co.uk. I had to accept 
JavaScript from cruisecritic.net as well as the actual domain to get the 
pop-up login form.


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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

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bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/26/2019 2:52 PM, bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with logging into cruisecritic.com from two 
(2)of

my three (3) systems all running SM 2.49.4 and W10 Pro.

All of the configurations are the same, with a few differences in
programs on each system.

No upgrades or changes to the systems, except W10 update for each one.

Any ideas or suggestions on what I might do to remedy this?

TIA - bo1953


Sorry, I needed to add that upon arriving at the page and clicking
'login' nothing happens at all.

Not sure if a setting is changed or not, yet this page, so far, is the
only one with this type of issue.

TIA - bo1953


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

I had a similar problem this morning with a different Web site.
Although that site's technical support insisted that the site carried NO
advertisements, I was finally able to login after I disabled AdBlock 
Plus.




DER - Thank you for your response.

I have UBlock installed and have disabled it and still cannot access the 
website.


Which is odd is, I have UBlock installed on the system which permits me 
access to the site...


I will try again... does SM have an ad blocking feature which I Am not 
aware of at the moment?


TIA - bo1953

JavaScript enabled??
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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/26/2019 2:52 PM, bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with logging into cruisecritic.com from two 
(2)of

my three (3) systems all running SM 2.49.4 and W10 Pro.

All of the configurations are the same, with a few differences in
programs on each system.

No upgrades or changes to the systems, except W10 update for each one.

Any ideas or suggestions on what I might do to remedy this?

TIA - bo1953


Sorry, I needed to add that upon arriving at the page and clicking
'login' nothing happens at all.

Not sure if a setting is changed or not, yet this page, so far, is the
only one with this type of issue.

TIA - bo1953


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

I had a similar problem this morning with a different Web site.
Although that site's technical support insisted that the site carried NO
advertisements, I was finally able to login after I disabled AdBlock 
Plus.




DER - Thank you for your response.

I have UBlock installed and have disabled it and still cannot access the 
website.


Which is odd is, I have UBlock installed on the system which permits me 
access to the site...


I will try again... does SM have an ad blocking feature which I Am not 
aware of at the moment?


TIA - bo1953


One more thing - it works for me.  I have hardly any add-ons.

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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

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bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/26/2019 2:52 PM, bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with logging into cruisecritic.com from two 
(2)of

my three (3) systems all running SM 2.49.4 and W10 Pro.

All of the configurations are the same, with a few differences in
programs on each system.

No upgrades or changes to the systems, except W10 update for each one.

Any ideas or suggestions on what I might do to remedy this?

TIA - bo1953


Sorry, I needed to add that upon arriving at the page and clicking
'login' nothing happens at all.

Not sure if a setting is changed or not, yet this page, so far, is the
only one with this type of issue.

TIA - bo1953


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

I had a similar problem this morning with a different Web site.
Although that site's technical support insisted that the site carried NO
advertisements, I was finally able to login after I disabled AdBlock 
Plus.




DER - Thank you for your response.

I have UBlock installed and have disabled it and still cannot access the 
website.


Which is odd is, I have UBlock installed on the system which permits me 
access to the site...


I will try again... does SM have an ad blocking feature which I Am not 
aware of at the moment?


TIA - bo1953


In the system where you can login, what form does that login take? 
Specifically - is it a popup screen?  Comparing popup exceptions would 
then be indicated.

Another thing to check, your cookie rules.  Do they vary?

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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

[bo1953]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/26/2019 2:52 PM, bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with logging into cruisecritic.com from two (2)of
my three (3) systems all running SM 2.49.4 and W10 Pro.

All of the configurations are the same, with a few differences in
programs on each system.

No upgrades or changes to the systems, except W10 update for each one.

Any ideas or suggestions on what I might do to remedy this?

TIA - bo1953


Sorry, I needed to add that upon arriving at the page and clicking
'login' nothing happens at all.

Not sure if a setting is changed or not, yet this page, so far, is the
only one with this type of issue.

TIA - bo1953


Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

I had a similar problem this morning with a different Web site.
Although that site's technical support insisted that the site carried NO
advertisements, I was finally able to login after I disabled AdBlock Plus.



DER - Thank you for your response.

I have UBlock installed and have disabled it and still cannot access the 
website.


Which is odd is, I have UBlock installed on the system which permits me 
access to the site...


I will try again... does SM have an ad blocking feature which I Am not 
aware of at the moment?


TIA - bo1953
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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

[David E. Ross]

On 6/26/2019 2:52 PM, bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:
> bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I Am having challenges with logging into cruisecritic.com from two (2)of 
>> my three (3) systems all running SM 2.49.4 and W10 Pro.
>>
>> All of the configurations are the same, with a few differences in 
>> programs on each system.
>>
>> No upgrades or changes to the systems, except W10 update for each one.
>>
>> Any ideas or suggestions on what I might do to remedy this?
>>
>> TIA - bo1953
> 
> Sorry, I needed to add that upon arriving at the page and clicking 
> 'login' nothing happens at all.
> 
> Not sure if a setting is changed or not, yet this page, so far, is the 
> only one with this type of issue.
> 
> TIA - bo1953
> 
Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.4

I had a similar problem this morning with a different Web site.
Although that site's technical support insisted that the site carried NO
advertisements, I was finally able to login after I disabled AdBlock Plus.

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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

[bo1953]

bo1...@nogmail.com wrote:

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with logging into cruisecritic.com from two (2)of 
my three (3) systems all running SM 2.49.4 and W10 Pro.


All of the configurations are the same, with a few differences in 
programs on each system.


No upgrades or changes to the systems, except W10 update for each one.

Any ideas or suggestions on what I might do to remedy this?

TIA - bo1953


Sorry, I needed to add that upon arriving at the page and clicking 
'login' nothing happens at all.


Not sure if a setting is changed or not, yet this page, so far, is the 
only one with this type of issue.


TIA - bo1953
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Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

[bo1953]

Hello all,

I Am having challenges with logging into cruisecritic.com from two (2)of 
my three (3) systems all running SM 2.49.4 and W10 Pro.


All of the configurations are the same, with a few differences in 
programs on each system.


No upgrades or changes to the systems, except W10 update for each one.

Any ideas or suggestions on what I might do to remedy this?

TIA - bo1953
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Is anyone else having problems logging into Twitter.com or just me?

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I tried disabling my addons, using safe mode, clearing stuff, another 
computer and OS, changing user agents, etc. However, a brand new profile 
worked. I don't know what is causing this and what else to try. It was 
fine a few days ago on the 26th at about 1:30 AM PDT. Firefox v52.6.8 
worked fine too. :(


Thank you in advance. :)
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Logging daily mail activity?

[Rick & Sharon]

Running Win10 x64, SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; 
rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751


I use a backup solution called Memeo, which runs in real time as opposed 
to only at scheduled intervals.  I've been using both since the XP days. 
 Since upgrading the OS to Win10, I've been getting issues with sending 
or receiving emails, where messages can't be saved to either the Sent or 
Inbox folders, as appropriate.  If I just keep trying 'Retry' it won't 
work.  If I suspend the Memeo process and then retry, it's fine.


I'm using the Win10 version of Memeo and have a ticket open with them, 
but they're asking for a screen shot and a collection of logs.  The logs 
are no issue, but since the error pops up randomly I don't have a screen 
shot already saved, and I'm the only user of this who has any idea of 
how to take one.  It occurs that a comparison of SM mail logs compared 
to the Memeo logs would be a good thing, as time events can be compared 
to work out a solution.


Are there such, and would they record the failed folder writing 
attempts?  I've seen an article about Thunderbird logging to 
troubleshoot server issues, but that's not what I'm trying to solve.

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Re: Logging onto Web Sites

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David E. Ross wrote:

Since updating to SeaMonkey 2.40, I notice that a number of Web sites
(but not all) require me to select the Logon, OK, or other such button
twice after entering my user ID and password.  One such site is
; another is
.

Is this a SeaMonkey problem or merely coincidental changes to those sites?


What was the previous version you were using? I'm using 2.39 on Windows 
and seeing similar behaviour with the bugzilla.mozilla.org, but it seems 
to depend on the exact sequence.


Sequence 1:
1. Opened 
2. Filled in my username and password and clicked "Log in"
3. It loaded , but still showing 
the login form

4. Filled in my username and password and clicked "Log in" again
5. It loaded  and I was logged 
in (on second attempt)

6. Logged out

Sequence 2:
1. Opened 
2. Filled in my username and password and clicked "Log in"
3. Loaded  and I was logged in 
(on first attempt)

4. Logged out

Sequence 3:
1. Used the "back" button to get back to 


2. Filled in my username and password and clicked "Log in"
3. It loaded , but still showing 
the login form

4. Repeated 2 and 3 a few times; I was logged in on the 4th attempt
5. Logged out

Sequence 4:
1. Deleted all mozilla.org cookies
2. Opened 
3. Filled in my username and password and clicked "Log in"
4. It loaded , but still showing 
the login form

5. Filled in my username and password and clicked "Log in" again
6. It loaded  and I was logged 
in (on second attempt)

7. Logged out

Sequence 5:
1. Deleted all mozilla.org cookies
2. Opened 
3. Force-reloaded the page (Ctrl+Shift+R)
4. Filled in my username and password and clicked "Log in"
5. It loaded  and I was logged 
in (on first attempt)

6. Logged out

It seems something odd is going on, possibly related to cookies and/or a 
token in the form (which can help guard against things such as CSRF 
attacks and submitting the same form several times).


If you were previously using 2.39 without any problem, it may just be 
coincidence that the website has changed recently. Or perhaps you didn't 
happen to hit the sequence to trigger this. Or perhaps something else 
you did at the same time has caused this effect - a couple of thoughts 
are if you deleted cookies or changed the default permissions.


Mark.

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Re: Logging onto Web Sites

[WaltS48]

On 03/19/2016 02:07 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Since updating to SeaMonkey 2.40, I notice that a number of Web sites
(but not all) require me to select the Logon, OK, or other such button
twice after entering my user ID and password.  One such site is
; another is
.

Is this a SeaMonkey problem or merely coincidental changes to those 
sites?


I'm not on Bugz but Yahoo and others require me to:
enter uid, hit enter, wait a msec for next popup...
enter p/w, hit enter, wait a msec for main screen.
They've done it this way for months... maybe a year.


I never log out of Bugzilla, but for the sake of testing I did, and had 
to enter my login credentials twice to get back in.


Could be because when I log out I see, " Your login has been forgotten. 
The cookie that was remembering your login is now gone. You will be 
prompted for a login the next time it is required."


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Re: Logging onto Web Sites

[Paul in Houston, TX]

David E. Ross wrote:

Since updating to SeaMonkey 2.40, I notice that a number of Web sites
(but not all) require me to select the Logon, OK, or other such button
twice after entering my user ID and password.  One such site is
; another is
.

Is this a SeaMonkey problem or merely coincidental changes to those sites?


I'm not on Bugz but Yahoo and others require me to:
enter uid, hit enter, wait a msec for next popup...
enter p/w, hit enter, wait a msec for main screen.
They've done it this way for months... maybe a year.
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Logging onto Web Sites

[David E. Ross]

Since updating to SeaMonkey 2.40, I notice that a number of Web sites
(but not all) require me to select the Logon, OK, or other such button
twice after entering my user ID and password.  One such site is
; another is
.

Is this a SeaMonkey problem or merely coincidental changes to those sites?

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Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Ant]

Hello.

Does anyone know why scrolling down doesn't work on 
http://www.facebook.com/BlueManGroupFans for Mozilla's web browsers 
(SeaMonkey v2.13.1 and IceWeasel/Firefox v16.0.1)? Using the fake IE9 
User Agent or the real IE7 worked. It's not related to referer, 
FlashBlock, and AdBlockPlus.


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Daniel]

Ant wrote:

Hello.

Does anyone know why scrolling down doesn't work on
http://www.facebook.com/BlueManGroupFans for Mozilla's web browsers
(SeaMonkey v2.13.1 and IceWeasel/Firefox v16.0.1)? Using the fake IE9
User Agent or the real IE7 worked. It's not related to referer,
FlashBlock, and AdBlockPlus.

Thank you in advance. :)


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:15.0) 
Gecko/20120909 SeaMonkey/2.12.1 Build identifier: 20120909051705


Ant, I see a scroll bar down the right hand side but no scroll thingo!! 
Is this what you get??


Note I did not sign in!

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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Dave Pyles]

On 10/18/2012 3:17 AM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

Does anyone know why scrolling down doesn't work on
http://www.facebook.com/BlueManGroupFans for Mozilla's web browsers
(SeaMonkey v2.13.1 and IceWeasel/Firefox v16.0.1)? Using the fake IE9
User Agent or the real IE7 worked. It's not related to referer,
FlashBlock, and AdBlockPlus.

Thank you in advance. :)


It's working fine here, Ant.  It took a while to load and wouldn't 
scroll until it had finished loading, though.

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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Ant]

On 10/18/2012 5:23 AM PT, Dave Pyles typed:


It's working fine here, Ant.  It took a while to load and wouldn't
scroll until it had finished loading, though.


Hmm. How long did you wait to finish? The download seems to finish in a 
couple seconds? I tried waiting over a minute.

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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Ant]

On 10/18/2012 3:33 AM PT, Daniel typed:


Does anyone know why scrolling down doesn't work on
http://www.facebook.com/BlueManGroupFans for Mozilla's web browsers
(SeaMonkey v2.13.1 and IceWeasel/Firefox v16.0.1)? Using the fake IE9
User Agent or the real IE7 worked. It's not related to referer,
FlashBlock, and AdBlockPlus.


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:15.0)
Gecko/20120909 SeaMonkey/2.12.1 Build identifier: 20120909051705

Ant, I see a scroll bar down the right hand side but no scroll thingo!!
Is this what you get??

Note I did not sign in!


Yeah, I get a vertical scrollbar but it doesn't do anything. There's no 
umm block to move too. Scrollwheel does nothing! :(

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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Dave Pyles]

On 10/18/2012 9:19 AM, Ant wrote:

On 10/18/2012 5:23 AM PT, Dave Pyles typed:


It's working fine here, Ant.  It took a while to load and wouldn't
scroll until it had finished loading, though.


Hmm. How long did you wait to finish? The download seems to finish in a
couple seconds? I tried waiting over a minute.


It only took about 20 seconds to load.

As an aside, I spent way too much time yesterday watching Blue Men 
videos, then your link showed up today. Scary.  I checked out a bunch of 
stuff on the page.  Thanks for the link.  Sorry it's not working for 
you.  Have you tried it when you are logged in to Facebook?  (I wasn't 
logged in, BTW.)


Dave Pyles


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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[WaltS]

On 10/18/2012 03:17 AM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

Does anyone know why scrolling down doesn't work on
http://www.facebook.com/BlueManGroupFans for Mozilla's web browsers
(SeaMonkey v2.13.1 and IceWeasel/Firefox v16.0.1)? Using the fake IE9
User Agent or the real IE7 worked. It's not related to referer,
FlashBlock, and AdBlockPlus.

Thank you in advance. :)



Found an answer in the mozillaZine forum. Turn OFF JavaScript, and the 
scroll bar works.


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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Ant]

On 10/18/2012 6:59 AM PT, Dave Pyles typed:

 As an aside, I spent way too much time yesterday watching Blue Men

videos, then your link showed up today. Scary.  I checked out a bunch of
stuff on the page.  Thanks for the link.  Sorry it's not working for
you.  Have you tried it when you are logged in to Facebook?  (I wasn't
logged in, BTW.)


I don't have a Facebook account nor do I want to use it. BMG rules. Have 
you seen a show in person? I saw MegaStar locally and Las Vegas' Luxor 
years ago. :)

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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Ant]

On 10/18/2012 7:01 AM PT, WaltS typed:


Does anyone know why scrolling down doesn't work on
http://www.facebook.com/BlueManGroupFans for Mozilla's web browsers
(SeaMonkey v2.13.1 and IceWeasel/Firefox v16.0.1)? Using the fake IE9
User Agent or the real IE7 worked. It's not related to referer,
FlashBlock, and AdBlockPlus.


Found an answer in the mozillaZine forum. Turn OFF JavaScript, and the
scroll bar works.


Weird. That works too. What's the URL to that forum thread? Thanks. :)
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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Dave Pyles]

On 10/18/2012 10:08 AM, Ant wrote:

On 10/18/2012 6:59 AM PT, Dave Pyles typed:

  As an aside, I spent way too much time yesterday watching Blue Men

videos, then your link showed up today. Scary.  I checked out a bunch of
stuff on the page.  Thanks for the link.  Sorry it's not working for
you.  Have you tried it when you are logged in to Facebook?  (I wasn't
logged in, BTW.)


I don't have a Facebook account nor do I want to use it. BMG rules. Have
you seen a show in person? I saw MegaStar locally and Las Vegas' Luxor
years ago. :)


Nope, I haven't seen them live.  Now we're off topic and Chris will yell 
at us, so no more on this.  Glad you made it work.


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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[WaltS]

On 10/18/2012 10:10 AM, Ant wrote:

On 10/18/2012 7:01 AM PT, WaltS typed:


Does anyone know why scrolling down doesn't work on
http://www.facebook.com/BlueManGroupFans for Mozilla's web browsers
(SeaMonkey v2.13.1 and IceWeasel/Firefox v16.0.1)? Using the fake IE9
User Agent or the real IE7 worked. It's not related to referer,
FlashBlock, and AdBlockPlus.


Found an answer in the mozillaZine forum. Turn OFF JavaScript, and the
scroll bar works.


Weird. That works too. What's the URL to that forum thread? Thanks. :)



It is discussed in this builds thread.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23t=2576075

I haven't seen a complaint (or overlooked it) in the support section of 
the forum.


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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Ant]

On 10/18/2012 7:18 AM PT, Dave Pyles typed:


As an aside, I spent way too much time yesterday watching Blue Men
videos, then your link showed up today. Scary.  I checked out a bunch of
stuff on the page.  Thanks for the link.  Sorry it's not working for
you.  Have you tried it when you are logged in to Facebook?  (I wasn't
logged in, BTW.)


I don't have a Facebook account nor do I want to use it. BMG rules. Have
you seen a show in person? I saw MegaStar locally and Las Vegas' Luxor
years ago. :)


Nope, I haven't seen them live.  Now we're off topic and Chris will yell
at us, so no more on this.  Glad you made it work.


Yeah, but it is still stupid to have to use that workaround in our 
Mozilla web browsers to navigate. :(


Go see a show! :D
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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[Ant]

On 10/18/2012 7:15 AM PT, WaltS typed:

 Found an answer in the mozillaZine forum. Turn OFF JavaScript, and the

scroll bar works.


Weird. That works too. What's the URL to that forum thread? Thanks. :)


It is discussed in this builds thread.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23t=2576075

I haven't seen a complaint (or overlooked it) in the support section of
the forum.


Thanks. :)
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Re: Can't scroll down without logging into Facebook?

[clay]

On 10/18/2012 7:01 AM, WaltS wrote:

On 10/18/2012 03:17 AM, Ant wrote:

 Hello.

 Does anyone know why scrolling down doesn't work on
 http://www.facebook.com/BlueManGroupFans for Mozilla's web browsers
 (SeaMonkey v2.13.1 and IceWeasel/Firefox v16.0.1)? Using the fake IE9
 User Agent or the real IE7 worked. It's not related to referer,
 FlashBlock, and AdBlockPlus.

 Thank you in advance. :)



Found an answer in the mozillaZine forum. Turn OFF JavaScript, and the
scroll bar works.



Blocking farcebook with NoScript works too...
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Trouble logging off of a site

[William Morrison]

I've got a small problem with a site when using SM 2.0.11 The site is  
https://windtunnel.fmfl.net/  and the problem is that once I'm logged on 
to it the log off link doesn't work, the page just sets there fat, dumb 
and happy and does nothing. I've contacted them about this and another 
problem that turns out they already knew about and is affecting all 
browsers which they are working on. Anyone care to look at this and see 
if it's a problem on SM's end? I'm running Windows XP SP3 with  
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) 
Gecko/20101123 SeaMonkey/2.0.11


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Re: Trouble logging off of a site

[David E. Ross]

On 1/26/11 2:29 PM, William Morrison wrote:
 I've got a small problem with a site when using SM 2.0.11 The site is  
 https://windtunnel.fmfl.net/  and the problem is that once I'm logged on 
 to it the log off link doesn't work, the page just sets there fat, dumb 
 and happy and does nothing. I've contacted them about this and another 
 problem that turns out they already knew about and is affecting all 
 browsers which they are working on. Anyone care to look at this and see 
 if it's a problem on SM's end? I'm running Windows XP SP3 with  
 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) 
 Gecko/20101123 SeaMonkey/2.0.11
 

Do you want to give us a login ID and password?  I don't have an account
at that site.

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Re: Trouble logging off of a site

[William Morrison]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/26/11 2:29 PM, William Morrison wrote:
   

I've got a small problem with a site when using SM 2.0.11 The site is
https://windtunnel.fmfl.net/  and the problem is that once I'm logged on
to it the log off link doesn't work, the page just sets there fat, dumb
and happy and does nothing. I've contacted them about this and another
problem that turns out they already knew about and is affecting all
browsers which they are working on. Anyone care to look at this and see
if it's a problem on SM's end? I'm running Windows XP SP3 with
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16)
Gecko/20101123 SeaMonkey/2.0.11

 

Do you want to give us a login ID and password?  I don't have an account
at that site.

   
Sure here's one I just made from one of my junk email accounts reg is 
free and only last a year.


email address  krazy...@aim.com
password  vettes

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Re: Trouble logging off of a site

[William Morrison]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/26/11 2:29 PM, William Morrison wrote:
   

I've got a small problem with a site when using SM 2.0.11 The site is
https://windtunnel.fmfl.net/  and the problem is that once I'm logged on
to it the log off link doesn't work, the page just sets there fat, dumb
and happy and does nothing. I've contacted them about this and another
problem that turns out they already knew about and is affecting all
browsers which they are working on. Anyone care to look at this and see
if it's a problem on SM's end? I'm running Windows XP SP3 with
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16)
Gecko/20101123 SeaMonkey/2.0.11

 

Do you want to give us a login ID and password?  I don't have an account
at that site.

   
David hold off if you already haven't logged on there, from conversing 
through email with one of their people he and I have determined that 
it's a ASP.NET 4.0 Framework or browser sniffing problem similar to what 
you discussed with Ken somebody back in Aug of last year. They actually 
sent me the link to your discussion but I don't think he read the whole 
thing nor went to your page about sniffing. They seemed very interested 
in making their site work with Seamonkey as he has downloaded V2.0.11 to 
test their varied sites with. I instructed him to fully read that 
discussion as well as your link in it to your page on browser sniffing.


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Logging in

[user]

I'm finding that with the current version (2.01) I cannot log in to 
certain websites that I was able to do with earlier versions of 
Seamonkey. On using Firefox, the problem doesn't arise on those sites 
affected. Anyone else noticed this problem or similar?


Also using Flash with Seamonkey is still an issue with a Flash page 
often giving an error on loading message, although repeated attempts 
sometimes does the trick.

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Re: Logging in

[chicagofan]

u...@domain.invalid wrote:

I'm finding that with the current version (2.01) I cannot log in to
certain websites that I was able to do with earlier versions of
Seamonkey. On using Firefox, the problem doesn't arise on those sites
affected. Anyone else noticed this problem or similar?

Also using Flash with Seamonkey is still an issue with a Flash page
often giving an error on loading message, although repeated attempts
sometimes does the trick.



I've moved on 2.02, but didn't have any new loading problems while I had 
2.01.  Also no identified problems with Flash, unless it is what locks a 
page occasionally, so that I can't scroll down while it is loading or 
playing.


What sites are giving you trouble?
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Re: Logging in

[David E. Ross]

On 1/17/2010 12:51 AM, u...@domain.invalid wrote:
 I'm finding that with the current version (2.01) I cannot log in to 
 certain websites that I was able to do with earlier versions of 
 Seamonkey. On using Firefox, the problem doesn't arise on those sites 
 affected. Anyone else noticed this problem or similar?
 
 Also using Flash with Seamonkey is still an issue with a Flash page 
 often giving an error on loading message, although repeated attempts 
 sometimes does the trick.

I found that the Activate Autocomplete extension interfered with
logging-in at some financial Web sites.  I removed that extension.
Instead, to get SeaMonkey to save passwords on sites that block such
saving, I did the tweak described at
http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/.

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Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to
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Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
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Re: Logging in

[Leonidas Jones]

u...@domain.invalid wrote:

I'm finding that with the current version (2.01) I cannot log in to
certain websites that I was able to do with earlier versions of
Seamonkey. On using Firefox, the problem doesn't arise on those sites
affected. Anyone else noticed this problem or similar?

Also using Flash with Seamonkey is still an issue with a Flash page
often giving an error on loading message, although repeated attempts
sometimes does the trick.


Can you give some examples of sites where you have trouble logging in? 
I have had no issues at all, but we probably do not visit the same sites.


As to the flash problem,have you verified that your flash plugin is up 
to date?


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News servers that require logging in.

[Ant]

Hello.

I do not leave my account names and passwords in SeaMonkey v1.x for 
security reasons. I do manually log in with them like on GigaNews. 
However, SeaMonkey seems to forget often in the same SeaMonkey session. 
I can understand that it will prompt again if I were to exit and 
relaunch SeaMonkey, but why does it keep forgetting even after a few 
seconds? I do not have this problem with e-mail servers.


Is anyone else having this problem too? Thank you in advance. :)
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 | |o   o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant
 ( )   or ant...@zimage.com
Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.
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