Profile Manager?
What happened to the Profile Manager? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: help: how to add a new profile manager to a windows 10 desktop
On 9/17/2016 11:33 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: On 9/17/2016 at 3:22 AM, cliff's prodigious digits fired off: Hi! Just using a new pc with windows 10 - what a hassle! I need help to add a profile manager to the desktop - can't seem to find that on the Mozilla website. Can anyone help. Thanks Cliff Start - All Programs - find the SeaMonkey folder and click to open - Right click Profile Manager - drag to desktop - select copy from the pop-up menu. Just happens I'm on my Win10 notebook and got stuck at not seeing All Programs, but I do start the Profile Manager when I click the SeaMonkey icon on my desktop, and noticed I could pin it to the Windows taskbar. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: help: how to add a new profile manager to a windows 10 desktop
On 9/17/2016 at 3:22 AM, cliff's prodigious digits fired off: Hi! Just using a new pc with windows 10 - what a hassle! I need help to add a profile manager to the desktop - can't seem to find that on the Mozilla website. Can anyone help. Thanks Cliff Start - All Programs - find the SeaMonkey folder and click to open - Right click Profile Manager - drag to desktop - select copy from the pop-up menu. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: help: how to add a new profile manager to a windows 10 desktop
On 09/17/2016 03:22 AM, cliff wrote: Hi! Just using a new pc with windows 10 - what a hassle! I need help to add a profile manager to the desktop - can't seem to find that on the Mozilla website. Can anyone help. Thanks Cliff Do you have the SeaMonkey icon on your desktop? You can right click on it, select Properties and add -p to the end of the Target line. That will start the Program Manager. As far as I know you can't put the Program Manager itself on the desktop. You can also start SeaMonkey then use Tools > Switch Profiles to bring up the Profile Manager. -- Visit Pittsburgh <http://www.visitpittsburgh.com/> Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
help: how to add a new profile manager to a windows 10 desktop
Hi! Just using a new pc with windows 10 - what a hassle! I need help to add a profile manager to the desktop - can't seem to find that on the Mozilla website. Can anyone help. Thanks Cliff ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Profile Manager Profile Arrangement ??
Hello all, Is there a way to re-sort the profiles in profile manager without going back and recreating profiles? TIA - bo1953 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager Profile Arrangement ??
SameulS wrote on 7/20/2015 9:28 AM: Hello all, Is there a way to re-sort the profiles in profile manager without going back and recreating profiles? TIA - bo1953 Edit the profiles.ini file and change the [Profilex] detail (where x is a number). -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why is a person who plays the piano called a pianist, but a person who drives a race car not called a racist? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager Profile Arrangement ??
On 7/20/2015 6:28 AM, SameulS wrote: Hello all, Is there a way to re-sort the profiles in profile manager without going back and recreating profiles? TIA - bo1953 1. Terminate SeaMonkey. 2. Locate the file profiles.ini. It will likely be in [C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey], where name is your Windows account name. 3. Copy profiles.ini to a different location. This will provide a backup in case you clobber the file. 4. Open profiles.ini in a plain-text editor (e.g., Notepad or Wordpad, but NOT Word). 5. Reorder the entries, moving the entire blocks of lines. 6. Renumber the lines [Profile0], [Profile1], etc so that they are again in sequence. 7. Save the edited profiles.ini. 8. Relaunch SeaMonkey and start Profile Manager. You should see the profiles in your modified order. -- David E. Ross I am sticking with SeaMonkey 2.26.1 until saved passwords can be used when autocomplete=off. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433238. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager Profile Arrangement ??
On 7/20/2015 8:29 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: David E. Ross wrote on 7/20/2015 10:58 AM: On 7/20/2015 6:28 AM, SameulS wrote: Hello all, Is there a way to re-sort the profiles in profile manager without going back and recreating profiles? TIA - bo1953 1. Terminate SeaMonkey. 2. Locate the file profiles.ini. It will likely be in [C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey], where name is your Windows account name. 3. Copy profiles.ini to a different location. This will provide a backup in case you clobber the file. 4. Open profiles.ini in a plain-text editor (e.g., Notepad or Wordpad, but NOT Word). 5. Reorder the entries, moving the entire blocks of lines. 6. Renumber the lines [Profile0], [Profile1], etc so that they are again in sequence. 7. Save the edited profiles.ini. 8. Relaunch SeaMonkey and start Profile Manager. You should see the profiles in your modified order. Actually, in my test all I had to do was change the [Profilex] parameters; no re-ordering of the blocks needed. I reordered the blocks for me, not for SeaMonkey. That is, the file is easier for me to understand if the blocks are reordered. -- David E. Ross I am sticking with SeaMonkey 2.26.1 until saved passwords can be used when autocomplete=off. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433238. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager Profile Arrangement ??
David E. Ross wrote on 7/20/2015 10:58 AM: On 7/20/2015 6:28 AM, SameulS wrote: Hello all, Is there a way to re-sort the profiles in profile manager without going back and recreating profiles? TIA - bo1953 1. Terminate SeaMonkey. 2. Locate the file profiles.ini. It will likely be in [C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey], where name is your Windows account name. 3. Copy profiles.ini to a different location. This will provide a backup in case you clobber the file. 4. Open profiles.ini in a plain-text editor (e.g., Notepad or Wordpad, but NOT Word). 5. Reorder the entries, moving the entire blocks of lines. 6. Renumber the lines [Profile0], [Profile1], etc so that they are again in sequence. 7. Save the edited profiles.ini. 8. Relaunch SeaMonkey and start Profile Manager. You should see the profiles in your modified order. Actually, in my test all I had to do was change the [Profilex] parameters; no re-ordering of the blocks needed. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ 4 priests, 12 rabbis, and 24 lawyers walk into a bar. Bartender says, Is this a joke? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: adding profile manager to windows 7 desktop.
cqbrodie wrote: Thank you very much to Messrs Gallagher and Taylor for your solution. It was easy to do. However, in having the profile manager now on the desktop, when I click on any of the 3 additional users, it revert to the primary one only, and before on the XP version, each of the additional ones were separate and had their own default webpages. When I tried to add their respective email accounts using the first additional one, it became a sub-folder of the main account that's not what I would like to do. So again I would appreciate any guidance in how to solve this. regards Cliff Cliff, when you set up the three accounts, (Tools-Switch Profiles-Manage Profiles-Create Profile), on the second screen, where you gave the new profile a distinctive name, (on the same screen) did you also choose a different location (i.e. Choose Folder) for the new profile?? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.16 Build identifier: 20130207001007 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: adding profile manager to windows 7 desktop.
Daniel wrote: cqbrodie wrote: Thank you very much to Messrs Gallagher and Taylor for your solution. It was easy to do. However, in having the profile manager now on the desktop, when I click on any of the 3 additional users, it revert to the primary one only, and before on the XP version, each of the additional ones were separate and had their own default webpages. When I tried to add their respective email accounts using the first additional one, it became a sub-folder of the main account that's not what I would like to do. So again I would appreciate any guidance in how to solve this. regards Cliff Cliff, when you set up the three accounts, (Tools-Switch Profiles-Manage Profiles-Create Profile), on the second screen, where you gave the new profile a distinctive name, (on the same screen) did you also choose a different location (i.e. Choose Folder) for the new profile?? Cliff responded to me via e-mail:- Quote Thanks very much for your reply to my question about setting up profile manager on my new PC. What I did do, was to delete the least important user name in the group of 3 and then used profile manager to open a new user and I did not change the profile location and went thru the new setup and it worked. I suppose that did create a new folder. Then I did the same for the 2 remaining users. I presume you are in Australia. I'm in sunny northern California ( but somewhat cool to cold at night!) regards Cliff Brodie End Quote Yes, I'm in Australia, and it's been *very* sunny here for the past few months!! and bloody hot, too!! (apparently, we've just set a new record for days in a row with a top temp of over 35 degrees Celsius (97 degrees F) -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.16 Build identifier: 20130207001007 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: adding profile manager to windows 7 desktop.
Thank you very much to Messrs Gallagher and Taylor for your solution. It was easy to do. However, in having the profile manager now on the desktop, when I click on any of the 3 additional users, it revert to the primary one only, and before on the XP version, each of the additional ones were separate and had their own default webpages. When I tried to add their respective email accounts using the first additional one, it became a sub-folder of the main account that's not what I would like to do. So again I would appreciate any guidance in how to solve this. regards Cliff ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new to windows 7 and can't get profile manager set up
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: 1) Click the Windows Start button and navigate to the SeaMonkey folder. Click that once to expand it. You'll see four entries, one of them being the Profile Manager. Right-click that and choose copy, then escape out of the Start menu. 2) At the far right end of the Windows taskbar, to the right of the clock, there's a little vertical strip. If you mouse over it, you get a tooltip, Show desktop. Click it. On my Windows 7 (Enterprise), your little vertical strip is a large blue rectangle Fair enough. On my machine, it's a little narrower than a scroll bar and extends the full height of the task bar. Mind you, I've doubled the height of the taskbar to accommodate two rows of tasks, so that could change the proportions. 3) Do CTRL-V to paste the shortcut you copied onto the desktop. Won't work until you have clicked on the desktop : Show desktop does not re-assign focus. Inchsting. On my machine, it works fine with no extra click. Win7 Pro SP1. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Profile Manager seems not to create new profile in Windows 7 x 64
Hi everyone, I am transitioning from Vista to Windows 7. I've been using Seamonkey for years now and migrating from XP, Vista, etc quite successfuly. Overall, Seamonkey browser seems to be working fine. I do not have any issue. The problem that I am facing is with the Profile Manager (again under Windows 7 x64). For sake of discussion, I am using Seamonkey 2.10 and I have also tried the new 2.11 beta. No difference in what I am describing below. I am trying to generate a new profile to add to the default profile you get. As example, I am using Test. I went through the All Program -- Seamonkey -- Profile Manager route. Then, go to Create Profile. Then, I can enter the new name. But, when I click Finish, nothing refresh (I can keep pressing Finish but there is no reaction, that windows remains there). Then, I have to click Cancel to skip that window. After clicking Cancel, I am back to Profile Manager window, but no profile is generated under Available Profiles. Nevertheless, and curiously, I can see that a new folder has been created under AppData/Roaming/Mozilla/Seamonkey/Profiles. But, this new profile is not available through the Profile manager. I tried to close and open Seamonkey to see if it will refresh, but it is not there. Then, I tried using Tools--Switch Profile and then create a new profile. The same problem happens when you reach Finish buttom. That windows does not react and you do not see a new Profile being created. You get stick in the Finish windows and the only using Cancel you can get back to Profile Manager windows. In the Profile Manager windows no new profile appears. However, in this case, if I close the Profile Manager window and I reopen it again (through Tools--Switch Profile), I can see a new Profile being created. This was promising. HOWEVER, if I close Seamonkey and I check if the new profile is available through All Program --Seamonkey--Profile Manager, I cannot see the new profile at all. Furthermore, after re-opening Seamonkey, if now Ii go back again to Tools-Switch Profile the new profile is not being shown anymore. Once again, if I check on AppData/Roaming/Mozilla/Seamonkey/ Profiles I can see that a neww folder has been opened, simply is not being shown as part of the available profiless. Because, it seems to me that this problem is related to x64 or Windows 7 (I used Windows Vista x32 in a different machine without problem to create new profile), I decided to use the Windows Virtual PC on the same computer. I downloaded the Seamonekey and installed under the Windows Virtual PC. Then, I went to All Program --Seamonkey--Profile Manager. The Profile Manager opened and I click Create New Profile. I typed the new profile name and click Finish. And immediatly, the new Profile was added in the Profile Manager. The Finish buttom worked perfectly under the Windows Virtual PC . Also, the new profile was created and was available after closing and opening Seamonkey again. All this, once again, under Windows Virtual PC. So, it seems that something in the Profile Manager is not working well under Windows 7 or, alternative, it is a 64 bits issue. As far as I understand, the Windows Virtual PC runs in XP mode and 32 bits. My temporal fix is to use Seamonkey through the Windows Virtual PC, but this is annoying as I need to be switching windows and I would like to migrate completely to Windows 7 and x64 bits. So, I would like too know if this is a know issue by Seamonkey and if there is a fix too go through and create a new Profile that is available after opening or closing Seamonkey. Thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: profile manager can't find profile location
Bill Spikowski wrote: This is a problem I've never had -- the profile manger pops up when I start Seamonkey and says it cannot find my profile, which is on a network drive. How can I direct Seamonkey to the proper location? This is SM 1.18 on Windows XP Problem solved -- with the deletion of a stray registry.dat file ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
profile manager can't find profile location
This is a problem I've never had -- the profile manger pops up when I start Seamonkey and says it cannot find my profile, which is on a network drive. How can I direct Seamonkey to the proper location? This is SM 1.18 on Windows XP ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Profile Manager Appears Randomly
Recently Profile Manager is appearing randomly when SM 1.1.19 starts up. I created a new profile with the same results. I also checked don't show at startup. Any ideas? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
JAS wrote: I use SM 2.0.5 and have two profiles and have done nothing extra and while I am browser ope I go to Tools and select switch profiles and It brings up a box to choose from. Works as it always has been for me. ?? I don't see where that contradicts what I wrote. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
Marisa Ciceran wrote: When I go to Start/Programs menu/SeaMonkey/Profile Manager, the link goes to the browser instead of the Profile Manager. Even when I create a shortcut using the -profileManager or -P extensions, it does the same thing. As I already explained in my reply to Smiles, with SeaMonkey 2.0 and later you need to add -no-remote *in addition to* -P in order to launch the Profile Manager while another instance of SeaMonkey is already running. The only way I am able to open the Profile Manager is in the Browser/Tools/Change Profile menu. Even this, however, is not malfunctionaly. The Select User Profile window opens, and shows the default user, but when I click on open profile, nothing happens. Well, I would have expected some kind of error message but basically it's correct that you cannot select the profile you are already using (and it must be that one as long as only one is listed!). Remember, Switch Profile (which is the actual name of the menu item) is for switching to *another* profile! I then went to the option Manage Profiles and created a new profile and selected the folder in which to place it. Back to the Manage User Profiles, there are now TWO profiles listed, neither of which will open with the Use Profile button. Although the rename button opens the correct window and accepts what I type it, no rename occurs, and neither profile can be deleted. It's correct that another profile appeared. If you chose the same profile folder as for the currently active profile then it's even expected that the second profile didn't work either. The Profile Manager appears to be corrupted, but unistalling and reinstalling 2.0.4 has not corrected this problem. Can anyone help me? Un-/Reinstalling SeaMonkey won't solve your problem. Does the Profile Manager appear if SeaMonkey is *not* running while you use the Profile Manager shortcut? If yes: See my first sentence above. If not you should search your hard drive for a file called profiles.ini inside a folder called SeaMonkey. If you rename that file you can start over (use the Profile Manager to locate your existing profile). HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
Marisa Ciceran wrote: The newest installation, however, did not give the option of migrating/importing files from any other SeaMonkey to another - only from outside programs that I have never used. That's because Profile Migration is only triggered automatically if the following two things apply: 1. No SM = 2.0 profiles have been created yet. 2. registry.dat from SM 2.0 is found. Cf. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey This created a whole new set of problems. I ended up losing all my passwords (not the master password which I do never activate) that are stored in signons.sqlite and signons3.txt that had been converted during the first 2.x installation. Simply copying these two files over from the corrupted folder to the new profile does not activate them, and I could not find any instructions how to import them otherwise such as exist for importing from one 1.x installation to another 1.x. Strange, copying signons.sqlite should be all that's needed. If you use a Master Password (which as I understand you don't) you also need to copy the file key3.db. AFAIK the signons3.txt file is obsolete. Can anyone help me now? I have spent several days on this frustrating problem. Thank you in advance. Please first check my other reply to your message that started the thread. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
Jens Hatlak wrote: Marisa Ciceran wrote: The newest installation, however, did not give the option of migrating/importing files from any other SeaMonkey to another - only from outside programs that I have never used. That's because Profile Migration is only triggered automatically if the following two things apply: 1. No SM = 2.0 profiles have been created yet. 2. registry.dat from SM 2.0 is found. Cf. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey This created a whole new set of problems. I ended up losing all my passwords (not the master password which I do never activate) that are stored in signons.sqlite and signons3.txt that had been converted during the first 2.x installation. Simply copying these two files over from the corrupted folder to the new profile does not activate them, and I could not find any instructions how to import them otherwise such as exist for importing from one 1.x installation to another 1.x. Strange, copying signons.sqlite should be all that's needed. If you use a Master Password (which as I understand you don't) you also need to copy the file key3.db. AFAIK the signons3.txt file is obsolete. Can anyone help me now? I have spent several days on this frustrating problem. Thank you in advance. Please first check my other reply to your message that started the thread. HTH Jens I use SM 2.0.5 and have two profiles and have done nothing extra and while I am browser ope I go to Tools and select switch profiles and It brings up a box to choose from. Works as it always has been for me. ?? -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
NoOp wrote: On 05/14/2010 02:28 PM, Marisa Ciceran wrote: Mark, Mark Hansen wrote: I'm not using SM 2.X yet, so I can't comment on that. However, I just wanted to make sure you understand that the profile manager for SM 2.X will see only the SM 2.X profiles - it won't see the SM 1.X profiles. I am aware of that. I also took a precaution before importing the 1.x to 2.x archives and configuration, I made sure that I had only only one profile in the older SeaMonkey Mails. That was probably a mistake as now I cannot create a second profile, rename, or do anything in the 2.0.x Profile Manager. My intention was to delete all the older versions of SeaMonkey, but the malfunctioning 2.0.4 Profile Manager forced me to reinstall 1.1.19 yesterday, and use that for the second profile. A new conflict came up with this. Although the programs and profiles are all in different folders, the 2.0.x desktop icons sometimes link to the 1.1.19 program instead of 2.0.x. Obviously, I would like to have just one SeaMonkey program running, the latest version. That I cannot create a second profile in 2.0.4, is a major problem for me. I hope there is a fix for the non-functional Profile Manager in 2.0.x. I wonder if perhaps the path to profile manager is for the older 1.x installs? If you have both 1.x and 2.x installed there will be two profile managers, one for each. Maybe putting in the the full path to the SM 2.0 version will help. See: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager Also, right-click the profile manager menu item, select 'Properties' and make sure that the one in the Start Menu actually has the correct path for SM 2.0. I have multiple versions on SeaMonkey installed on the XP test machine (on purpose) and have multiple SeaMonkey Start Menu's (SeaMonkey, SeaMonkey2 etc), so if I'm not careful I may bring up the wrong profile manager. That probably is not your case, but worth checking. None of the discussions that have ensued from my initial request apply to me. I am accustomed to having two installations of two versions simultaneously since the early days of the first Mozilla Suite (and going back even further). So I am not accidentally opening one version for the other or mistaking one profile manager for the other - where the profiles have different names to prevent such confusion. It was during the initial import process from the 1.1.1x to 2.0.x that the 2.0.x Profile Manager apparently became corrupted. Finding no fix for this anywhere, the only way I could resolve the problem was by making a new installation of 2.0.4 in a folder separate from the prior 2.0.x installation, and then copying over the mail and newsgroup folder contents, but I did not copy over configuration folder contents except for the bookmarks and addressbook. The newest installation, however, did not give the option of migrating/importing files from any other SeaMonkey to another - only from outside programs that I have never used. This created a whole new set of problems. I ended up losing all my passwords (not the master password which I do never activate) that are stored in signons.sqlite and signons3.txt that had been converted during the first 2.x installation. Simply copying these two files over from the corrupted folder to the new profile does not activate them, and I could not find any instructions how to import them otherwise such as exist for importing from one 1.x installation to another 1.x. Can anyone help me now? I have spent several days on this frustrating problem. Thank you in advance. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
Mark Hansen wrote: On 5/14/2010 2:28 PM, Marisa Ciceran wrote: My intention was to delete all the older versions of SeaMonkey, but the malfunctioning 2.0.4 Profile Manager forced me to reinstall 1.1.19 yesterday, and use that for the second profile. A new conflict came up with this. Although the programs and profiles are all in different folders, the 2.0.x desktop icons sometimes link to the 1.1.19 program instead of 2.0.x. When you say link to do you mean you look at the properties of the shortcut and see that it references the 1.X executable, or just that when you click on the link, you get a SM 1.X window? The link as shown in the Properties of the shortcut is correct, but it opens an older version. I've removed all references to the older version in the registry and hope that I've eliminated that particular conflict. Keep in mind that unless you take specific precautions to prevent it, trying to launch SM 2.X while SM 1.X is running will only result in a new SM 1.X window (and the reverse is also true). What you are mentioning are not issues in my case. I do not open two versions of SeaMonkey simultaneously and the Application Data files are always in separate folders. Also remember that SM 1.X has a quick launch feature which keeps SM 1.X running even when you don't have any windows open (if you enabled it during the installation - but I can't remember if enabling it is the default). I do not use the SeaMonkey Quick launch feature. The fact remains that the SeaMonkey 2.0.4 Profile Manager simply does not work. Any further clues on this? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
Marisa Ciceran wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 5/14/2010 2:28 PM, Marisa Ciceran wrote: My intention was to delete all the older versions of SeaMonkey, but the malfunctioning 2.0.4 Profile Manager forced me to reinstall 1.1.19 yesterday, and use that for the second profile. A new conflict came up with this. Although the programs and profiles are all in different folders, the 2.0.x desktop icons sometimes link to the 1.1.19 program instead of 2.0.x. When you say link to do you mean you look at the properties of the shortcut and see that it references the 1.X executable, or just that when you click on the link, you get a SM 1.X window? The link as shown in the Properties of the shortcut is correct, but it opens an older version. I've removed all references to the older version in the registry and hope that I've eliminated that particular conflict. Keep in mind that unless you take specific precautions to prevent it, trying to launch SM 2.X while SM 1.X is running will only result in a new SM 1.X window (and the reverse is also true). What you are mentioning are not issues in my case. I do not open two versions of SeaMonkey simultaneously and the Application Data files are always in separate folders. Also remember that SM 1.X has a quick launch feature which keeps SM 1.X running even when you don't have any windows open (if you enabled it during the installation - but I can't remember if enabling it is the default). I do not use the SeaMonkey Quick launch feature. The fact remains that the SeaMonkey 2.0.4 Profile Manager simply does not work. Any further clues on this? OK I thought this was an error but with seamonkey open it does not pop up unless I go tools|switch profile with seamonkey closed if I go start|programs|seamonkey|profile manager it does launch but not with seamonkey open now while it is open I do not understand why you would launch profile manager ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
On 5/14/2010 11:27 PM, Marisa Ciceran wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: Keep in mind that unless you take specific precautions to prevent it, trying to launch SM 2.X while SM 1.X is running will only result in a new SM 1.X window (and the reverse is also true). What you are mentioning are not issues in my case. I do not open two versions of SeaMonkey simultaneously and the Application Data files are always in separate folders. When you launch a SM 2.X shortcut and it opens a SM 1.X window, close that window and go to task manager and look at the processes tab (not applications) and see if there is a seamonkey listed there. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
Smiles wrote: OK I thought this was an error but with seamonkey open it does not pop up unless I go tools|switch profile with seamonkey closed if I go start|programs|seamonkey|profile manager it does launch but not with seamonkey open If SeaMonkey (= 2.0) is already running you need to specify -no-remote in addition to -P. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
On 05/14/2010 02:28 PM, Marisa Ciceran wrote: Mark, Mark Hansen wrote: I'm not using SM 2.X yet, so I can't comment on that. However, I just wanted to make sure you understand that the profile manager for SM 2.X will see only the SM 2.X profiles - it won't see the SM 1.X profiles. I am aware of that. I also took a precaution before importing the 1.x to 2.x archives and configuration, I made sure that I had only only one profile in the older SeaMonkey Mails. That was probably a mistake as now I cannot create a second profile, rename, or do anything in the 2.0.x Profile Manager. My intention was to delete all the older versions of SeaMonkey, but the malfunctioning 2.0.4 Profile Manager forced me to reinstall 1.1.19 yesterday, and use that for the second profile. A new conflict came up with this. Although the programs and profiles are all in different folders, the 2.0.x desktop icons sometimes link to the 1.1.19 program instead of 2.0.x. Obviously, I would like to have just one SeaMonkey program running, the latest version. That I cannot create a second profile in 2.0.4, is a major problem for me. I hope there is a fix for the non-functional Profile Manager in 2.0.x. I wonder if perhaps the path to profile manager is for the older 1.x installs? If you have both 1.x and 2.x installed there will be two profile managers, one for each. Maybe putting in the the full path to the SM 2.0 version will help. See: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager Also, right-click the profile manager menu item, select 'Properties' and make sure that the one in the Start Menu actually has the correct path for SM 2.0. I have multiple versions on SeaMonkey installed on the XP test machine (on purpose) and have multiple SeaMonkey Start Menu's (SeaMonkey, SeaMonkey2 etc), so if I'm not careful I may bring up the wrong profile manager. That probably is not your case, but worth checking. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Profile Manager does not work
I have been using SeaMonkey in Windows XP Pro for 2.0.4 Pre (now .4) for some months and decided to install the 2.04 version and uninstall two earlier versions (1.1.18 and 1.1.19), thinking to create a second profile where I could archive old messages. No sooner done than I went to the Profile Manage of 2.0.4 and discovered that it is not working. When I go to Start/Programs menu/SeaMonkey/Profile Manager, the link goes to the browser instead of the Profile Manager. Even when I create a shortcut using the -profileManager or -P extensions, it does the same thing. The only way I am able to open the Profile Manager is in the Browser/Tools/Change Profile menu. Even this, however, is not malfunctionaly. The Select User Profile window opens, and shows the default user, but when I click on open profile, nothing happens. I then went to the option Manage Profiles and created a new profile and selected the folder in which to place it. Back to the Manage User Profiles, there are now TWO profiles listed, neither of which will open with the Use Profile button. Although the rename button opens the correct window and accepts what I type it, no rename occurs, and neither profile can be deleted. The Profile Manager appears to be corrupted, but unistalling and reinstalling 2.0.4 has not corrected this problem. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Marisa ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
I'm not using SM 2.X yet, so I can't comment on that. However, I just wanted to make sure you understand that the profile manager for SM 2.X will see only the SM 2.X profiles - it won't see the SM 1.X profiles. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
Mark, Mark Hansen wrote: I'm not using SM 2.X yet, so I can't comment on that. However, I just wanted to make sure you understand that the profile manager for SM 2.X will see only the SM 2.X profiles - it won't see the SM 1.X profiles. I am aware of that. I also took a precaution before importing the 1.x to 2.x archives and configuration, I made sure that I had only only one profile in the older SeaMonkey Mails. That was probably a mistake as now I cannot create a second profile, rename, or do anything in the 2.0.x Profile Manager. My intention was to delete all the older versions of SeaMonkey, but the malfunctioning 2.0.4 Profile Manager forced me to reinstall 1.1.19 yesterday, and use that for the second profile. A new conflict came up with this. Although the programs and profiles are all in different folders, the 2.0.x desktop icons sometimes link to the 1.1.19 program instead of 2.0.x. Obviously, I would like to have just one SeaMonkey program running, the latest version. That I cannot create a second profile in 2.0.4, is a major problem for me. I hope there is a fix for the non-functional Profile Manager in 2.0.x. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager does not work
On 5/14/2010 2:28 PM, Marisa Ciceran wrote: My intention was to delete all the older versions of SeaMonkey, but the malfunctioning 2.0.4 Profile Manager forced me to reinstall 1.1.19 yesterday, and use that for the second profile. A new conflict came up with this. Although the programs and profiles are all in different folders, the 2.0.x desktop icons sometimes link to the 1.1.19 program instead of 2.0.x. When you say link to do you mean you look at the properties of the shortcut and see that it references the 1.X executable, or just that when you click on the link, you get a SM 1.X window? Keep in mind that unless you take specific precautions to prevent it, trying to launch SM 2.X while SM 1.X is running will only result in a new SM 1.X window (and the reverse is also true). Also remember that SM 1.X has a quick launch feature which keeps SM 1.X running even when you don't have any windows open (if you enabled it during the installation - but I can't remember if enabling it is the default). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager [details OT]
David E. Ross wrote: ... I was used to setting alias rm='rm -i' but I was working at a location other than my usual. I entered rm * Quickly realizing what I had done, I then entered CTRL-C But it was too late. I didn't lose all my files, but I lost too many. Fortunately, all accounts were backed-up daily by the system administrators. When I got a shell account on my ISP's Web server in my own address space, one of the first things I did was alias rm='rm -i' I also did the same for cp and mv. I don't think you learned the right lesson. Instead of modifying rm to be rm -i , you probably should have created a new command, say, delfile or whatever. That way, if you're working somewhere other than your usual place and forget and type your usual command to delete with confirmation, you're much more likely to have nothing harmful happen (e.g., just bash: delfile: command not found) rather than deleting more files than you might have meant. Daniel -- (Plain text sometimes corrupted to HTML courtesy of Microsoft Exchange.) [F] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/17/2010 11:24 PM, Manuel Reimer wrote: David E. Ross wrote: When I got a shell account on my ISP's Web server in my own address space, one of the first things I did was alias rm='rm -i' I also did the same for cp and mv. I tried this, some time ago. But this sucks, as it asks for *every* file, if I try to rm -r a directory. As this makes it impossible to do my work, I started to call rm with full path (/bin/rm) and some time later, I removed the alias. Instead, I escape the command with a back-slash, which causes the actual command to execute instead of the alias. This keeps the safety of the alias but allows me to intentionally bypass it. The command \rm abc* will ignore the alias and remove all files in the current directory whose names begin with abc without any prompt for confirmation. I escape the commands rm, cp, and mv when I use them in a script. However, I don't escape them until after I have tested the script just in case I have an error in the script. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. This is wrong. Windows always asks if you are sure when deleting a file. When you empty the Recycle Bin, it also asks if you are sure. windows 95 and 98 didn't I have worked with them though not recently. Those two also always ask if you're sure. Except when you dragdrop the file into the Recycle Bin. I just tested that. David Ross is right. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 10-01-18 11:26 AM, Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. This is wrong. Windows always asks if you are sure when deleting a file. When you empty the Recycle Bin, it also asks if you are sure. windows 95 and 98 didn't I have worked with them though not recently. Those two also always ask if you're sure. Except when you dragdrop the file into the Recycle Bin. I just tested that. David Ross is right. Guys, this discussion is not about SeaMonkey. Please take it someplace more appropriate. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia Keeper of the Knowledge Base: https://support.mozilla.com/kb/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/16/2010 8:56 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/12/2010 6:10 PM, David E. Ross wrote: Bug #214675 proposes to delete the Profile Manager. It is being extensively discussed at mozilla.dev.planning. I strongly suggest that any discussion of SeaMonkey impacts -- impacts on either the development or end users of SeaMonkey -- be discussed in the existing thread Removal of the Profile Manager UI? in that newsgroup without replying to this message. In a comment, bug #539524 explicitly states that no end-user capability will be included in its implementation of a new Profile Manager. I have submitted bug #540194 to request a SeaMonkey user interface when bug #539524 is implemented. Great and there should be one for FireFox as well. A Firefox end-user should do that. I don't use Firefox. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Phillip Jones wrote: Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. This is wrong. Windows always asks if you are sure when deleting a file. When you empty the Recycle Bin, it also asks if you are sure. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/17/2010 8:48 AM, Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. This is wrong. Windows always asks if you are sure when deleting a file. When you empty the Recycle Bin, it also asks if you are sure. If you drag a file and drop it into the Recycle Bin, Windows XP does not give you a prompt to confirm the deletion. You do get a prompt when deleting via a pull-down context menu, going to [File Delete] on a window's menu bar, or the Delete button on a window's toolbar. You also get a prompt for emptying the Recycle Bin. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. This is wrong. Windows always asks if you are sure when deleting a file. When you empty the Recycle Bin, it also asks if you are sure. ...unless you tell it not to - I always tell it not to, maybe this user does too. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. This is wrong. Windows always asks if you are sure when deleting a file. When you empty the Recycle Bin, it also asks if you are sure. windows 95 and 98 didn't I have worked with them though not recently. Perhaps Like OSX you can set Trash or recycle Bin , or wastebasket to bypass the warning though I've used Mac Os since OS 3 and the option has always been there but I have never set that. I don't trust myself not to screw up. ;-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
In news:ufidnvbhxegqv87wnz2dnuvz_vfi4...@mozilla.org, David E. Ross nob...@nowhere.invalid wrote: On 1/16/2010 8:56 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: In a comment, bug #539524 explicitly states that no end-user capability will be included in its implementation of a new Profile Manager. I have submitted bug #540194 to request a SeaMonkey user interface when bug #539524 is implemented. Great and there should be one for FireFox as well. A Firefox end-user should do that. I don't use Firefox. If I had to bet, I'd say a dev will file it when it's needed. You might want to keep an eye out for it, since it may have stuff SM can use. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
David E. Ross wrote: When I got a shell account on my ISP's Web server in my own address space, one of the first things I did was alias rm='rm -i' I also did the same for cp and mv. I tried this, some time ago. But this sucks, as it asks for *every* file, if I try to rm -r a directory. As this makes it impossible to do my work, I started to call rm with full path (/bin/rm) and some time later, I removed the alias. CU Manuel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Phillip Jones: Hartmut Figge wrote: user: enters command system: are you sure? user: yes system: really? user: YES system: would you like to reflect your decision? user: $§%$§ Hart *g* mut Well the Mac OS is not quite that way the first 3 step are accurate although its actually okay or cancel, with Cancel the highlighted choice. Gives one change to decided whether, your okay with your decision or you willing to possibly screw up your application or system click menu choice windows comes up are you sure you want to do this Choices Cancel / Okay. You decide. slows you down enough so you can decide whether you want to throw away that valuable file you've worked on for a year and half or not. In UNIX, LINUX, or even windows you put in the wrong thing, its gone. You still have to decide , but it give you the ability to decided to screw up or not. I don't wish to be uncourtly by not answering detailed. Much could be said about the issue. Unfortunately it would take a great lot of effort for me. Not because of arguments but because of English. Sometimes i don't need a vocabulary when answering here, more often however i have to look up one or more words. Also in this reply, i don't even know if 'uncourtly' is the right term. *g* I know that i should restrict my answers to short, simple sentences, but sometimes, uh, i forget that i am here in an English group, just start to write, having just posted to to a German group. ;) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Hartmut Figge wrote: Phillip Jones: Hartmut Figge wrote: user: enters command system: are you sure? user: yes system: really? user: YES system: would you like to reflect your decision? user: $§%$§ Hart *g* mut Well the Mac OS is not quite that way the first 3 step are accurate although its actually okay or cancel, with Cancel the highlighted choice. Gives one change to decided whether, your okay with your decision or you willing to possibly screw up your application or system click menu choice windows comes up are you sure you want to do this Choices Cancel / Okay. You decide. slows you down enough so you can decide whether you want to throw away that valuable file you've worked on for a year and half or not. In UNIX, LINUX, or even windows you put in the wrong thing, its gone. You still have to decide , but it give you the ability to decided to screw up or not. I don't wish to be uncourtly by not answering detailed. Much could be said about the issue. Unfortunately it would take a great lot of effort for me. Not because of arguments but because of English. Sometimes i don't need a vocabulary when answering here, more often however i have to look up one or more words. Also in this reply, i don't even know if 'uncourtly' is the right term. *g* I know that i should restrict my answers to short, simple sentences, but sometimes, uh, i forget that i am here in an English group, just start to write, having just posted to to a German group. ;) Hartmut okay I will try a different way: (not the greatest typist grew up in a era in school 50-60's when your manhood was questioned if a Boy took typing. Boys took shop classes girls took typing, steno, and Home economics. Then also, I never dreamed about computers then or I would be using one now.) How Mac handles either download of software, update of software or Deleting Files: 1. Choose desired file to Delete, the empty into Trash. (Drag to Trash) 2 Go to Finder Menu Choose empty Trash ( or use Shift-command-Delete) 3 System: Are your sure you wish to delete file. Cancel Okay 4 You choose to cancel action (in case you choose wrong) or okay to commit to the empty. For download of software: 1. click on appropriate method to download. 2. when downloaded and the pkg file or dmg pile will open 3. Drag application to desired folder 4. window comes up Do you wish to install program cancel Okay 5 you choose whether you want to risk installation. Automatic installers the first three steps are automatically done in background. Last two items are the same it ask and you choose. Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. I have no way of knowing about Linux, or UNIX. Last I saw on UNIX is was 80's style command line. I assume since Linux and UNIX are distant cousins they work similarly. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/16/2010 8:21 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote: I don't wish to be uncourtly by not answering detailed. Much could be said about the issue. Unfortunately it would take a great lot of effort for me. Not because of arguments but because of English. Sometimes i don't need a vocabulary when answering here, more often however i have to look up one or more words. Also in this reply, i don't even know if 'uncourtly' is the right term. *g* I know that i should restrict my answers to short, simple sentences, but sometimes, uh, i forget that i am here in an English group, just start to write, having just posted to to a German group. ;) Hartmut Hartmut, I don't know the effort you put into posting in English, but I've always found your posts easy enough to understand. Among other reasons, the fact that your posts are always knowledgeable and courteous make them treasures that others would surely miss if they were gone. Hmmm, is /uncourtly/ a word? Who cares? I know what you meant :-) Best Regards, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Phillip Jones: How Mac handles either download of software, update of software or Deleting Files: 1. Choose desired file to Delete, the empty into Trash. (Drag to Trash) 2 Go to Finder Menu Choose empty Trash ( or use Shift-command-Delete) 3 System: Are your sure you wish to delete file. Cancel Okay 4 You choose to cancel action (in case you choose wrong) or okay to commit to the empty. Well, i don't even have a desktop where i could do such things. And certainly i would be heavily annoyed if the OS means to know better than i what i wish to do. ;) For download of software: 1. click on appropriate method to download. 2. when downloaded and the pkg file or dmg pile will open 3. Drag application to desired folder 4. window comes up Do you wish to install program cancel Okay 5 you choose whether you want to risk installation. Automatic installers the first three steps are automatically done in background. Could be to similar ubuntu, so i have read. On Gentoo it is quite different. I have no way of knowing about Linux, or UNIX. Last I saw on UNIX is was 80's style command line. I assume since Linux and UNIX are distant cousins they work similarly. There was just a discussion in de.test where someone needed to find a file whose name was known. He had no luck with the usual methods on Win so he used a program with the name Ransack, whatever that may be. Well, here i would open a terminal, issue 'locate file' and be done. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Mark Hansen: I don't know the effort you put into posting in English, but I've always found your posts easy enough to understand. Thanks. Among other reasons, the fact that your posts are always knowledgeable and courteous make them treasures that others would surely miss if they were gone. Regarding courteous, if there is a possibility to tease people while answering without being discourteous or making the answer unclear, it would be hard for me not to do so. Difficult in English. :) Hart dr mut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Hartmut Figge: Regarding courteous, if there is a possibility to tease people [...] Here is an example. http://groups.google.com/group/de.comm.software.mozilla.browser/msg/c4ce841ece5ccb33 Not surprisingly the example is in German. :-P Quite OT here, therefore xpost f'2 general Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Hartmut Figge wrote: Phillip Jones: How Mac handles either download of software, update of software or Deleting Files: 1. Choose desired file to Delete, the empty into Trash. (Drag to Trash) 2 Go to Finder Menu Choose empty Trash ( or use Shift-command-Delete) 3 System: Are your sure you wish to delete file.Cancel Okay 4 You choose to cancel action (in case you choose wrong) or okay to commit to the empty. Well, i don't even have a desktop where i could do such things. And certainly i would be heavily annoyed if the OS means to know better than i what i wish to do. ;) For download of software: 1. click on appropriate method to download. 2. when downloaded and the pkg file or dmg pile will open 3. Drag application to desired folder 4. window comes up Do you wish to install programcancel Okay 5 you choose whether you want to risk installation. Automatic installers the first three steps are automatically done in background. Could be to similar ubuntu, so i have read. On Gentoo it is quite different. I have no way of knowing about Linux, or UNIX. Last I saw on UNIX is was 80's style command line. I assume since Linux and UNIX are distant cousins they work similarly. There was just a discussion in de.test where someone needed to find a file whose name was known. He had no luck with the usual methods on Win so he used a program with the name Ransack, whatever that may be. Well, here i would open a terminal, issue 'locate file' and be done. Hartmut Item 2 in first item (download software) should be: 2. when downloaded and the pkg file or dmg *file* will open On Mac go to Finder (what you see when Mac Boots up) go to File menu (Mouse to) Find File (click on Find File). type in name of file or part of name and any file that has those words come up as. Or go to Spotlight and as you type characters it list files. until you type last character You may end up finding your file before all Characters are typed. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Phillip Jones: On Mac go to Finder (what you see when Mac Boots up) go to File menu (Mouse to) Find File (click on Find File). type in name of file or part of name and any file that has those words come up as. Or go to Spotlight and as you type characters it list files. until you type last character You may end up finding your file before all Characters are typed. And can you use RegExp like i could using the option -r of locate? Or, easier, switch between case sensitive/insensitive? :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/12/2010 6:10 PM, David E. Ross wrote: Bug #214675 proposes to delete the Profile Manager. It is being extensively discussed at mozilla.dev.planning. I strongly suggest that any discussion of SeaMonkey impacts -- impacts on either the development or end users of SeaMonkey -- be discussed in the existing thread Removal of the Profile Manager UI? in that newsgroup without replying to this message. In a comment, bug #539524 explicitly states that no end-user capability will be included in its implementation of a new Profile Manager. I have submitted bug #540194 to request a SeaMonkey user interface when bug #539524 is implemented. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/12/2010 6:10 PM, David E. Ross wrote: Bug #214675 proposes to delete the Profile Manager. It is being extensively discussed at mozilla.dev.planning. I strongly suggest that any discussion of SeaMonkey impacts -- impacts on either the development or end users of SeaMonkey -- be discussed in the existing thread Removal of the Profile Manager UI? in that newsgroup without replying to this message. In a comment, bug #539524 explicitly states that no end-user capability will be included in its implementation of a new Profile Manager. I have submitted bug #540194 to request a SeaMonkey user interface when bug #539524 is implemented. Great and there should be one for FireFox as well. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:58:28 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: No, there is no menu item to invoke Profile Manager. Either its done in terminal, or by starting SeaMonkey from the Dock, and choosing ToolsSwitch Profile. Over in Firefox land there was some discussion of writing a custom installer in the DMG that is automatically invoked if you run the app from inside the dmg that will copy the .app to the application directory and automatically add some entries in the application menu. I don't know how doable this is but apparently there are some OSX applications out there that are delivered as DMGs and that can do this on first installation. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]I'm leaving my body to science fiction. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:46:14 -0800, David E. Ross wrote: As I said before, the replacement for Profile Manager requested in bug #539524 is -- from the Summary, Product, Component, and Description in that bug report -- only for test and triage, not for end users. And our profile manager UI is not the toolkit profile manager UI but our own take on that functionality. As long as the back end APIs are there we can always adapt that to our needs. After all Firefox never had a Tools-Switch profile... option, and we have. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]It said Insert disk #3, but only two will fit!! * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 1/14/2010 8:58 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote [in part]: No, there is no menu item to invoke Profile Manager. Either its done in terminal, or by starting SeaMonkey from the Dock, and choosing ToolsSwitch Profile. Or you uncheck the Don't ask at startup checkbox on the Profile Manager window. The next time you launch SeaMonkey, you get the Profile Manager. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: David E. Ross: I was used to setting alias rm='rm -i' but I was working at a location other than my usual. I entered rm * Quickly realizing what I had done, I then entered CTRL-C But it was too late. I didn't lose all my files, but I lost too many. Fortunately, all accounts were backed-up daily by the system administrators. Well, you are responsible for that what you are doing. Would you really like it in this way? user: enters command system: are you sure? user: yes system: really? user: YES system: would you like to reflect your decision? user: $§%$§ Hart *g* mut Of course not, but for big irreversible decisions, a Are you sure? prompt is good design and guards against mistakes. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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»Q« wrote: Innews:mjqdnfxvpcrqxdlwnz2dnuvz_qudn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: On Mac system while the actual system used is FreeBSD UNIX the Apple Mac Interface does all the UNIX commands and the UNIX is hidden. Not all of them, by far. It just does the stuff most users will ever need. It silly to have to type a command line in a modern system just to get to something that previously you had a menu choice for. On Macs, does SeaMonkey still install a menu item to launch the profile manager? I don't know what all this fascination with using command line stuff to do work. My goodness you were doing that in 1982 and 27 years later you still want to fiddle with command line. I don't find anything geeky, nerdy about it just old and out of fashion. In some cases, it's used to do things that can't be done with the GUI. It gives a lot more control, though it's certainly fine if that increased control isn't something you want for yourself. In other cases, it's used to quickly do things are more tedious in a GUI. For example, I create a new testing profile and launch the browser by typing four letters, rather than by opening the PM then clicking checkboxes and navigating to where I want the profile stored and all that. GUI users can do the same thing, but it takes them longer, and it would annoy me if the GUI were the only way to do it. On Mac Go to Tools menu Switch profile Click on Manage Profle if creating a new profile give new name and it created and you are switched. No telling where to put it its put the SeaMonkey Folder in the : username Library Application Support SeaMonkey Profiles , automatically you don't point to anything. If is just created there. Actually some mousing and two clicks and some type of a name. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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»Q« wrote: Innews:lradnsqnx61gxnlwnz2dnuvz_tudn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: »Q« wrote: Innews:h4-dnaaw_yrxtnlwnz2dnuvz_hmdn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. You always jump to that conclusion, no matter what you've actually read. Perhaps part of the problem is that you don't actually know who has what responsibilities, so you can't tell who's saying what. Mike Beltzner is the director of the Firefox project, ultimately responsible for what is and isn't in Firefox releases. Talking about the PM GUI, Beltzner says in that thread, We obviously won't ship a product to users that regresses important functionality that our support teams rely on. And obviously, if the PM GUI is available for Fx releases, it will also be available for SeaMonkey releases. He is but one person. Read again. He's the one person who can decide what is and isn't included. The buck stops with him. there many other there anxious to deep six it asap. I'd ask you to say what large group of devs you mean and what posts you base your opinion on, but I know from experience that your reply would be vague and not address the question. FWIW, I'm not actually trying to convince *you* that the devs aren't out to destroy everything good in life, just trying to maintain some perspective in this thread. Can your 85 year old Grandma trying to use command line to do something that was easy to do. My 85-year-old grandma isn't even allowed to use SeaMonkey's Profile Manager any more, since she kept highlighting and deleting the wrong profile. Does your 85-year-old grandma find the current Profile Manager easy to use? If so, congrats to her. Based on my readings in the Bugzilla Bug report and on the discussion group. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: Innews:h4-dnaaw_yrxtnlwnz2dnuvz_hmdn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: /snip/ You always jump to that conclusion, no matter what you've actually read. Perhaps part of the problem is that you don't actually know who has what responsibilities, so you can't tell who's saying what. Mike Beltzner is the director of the Firefox project, ultimately responsible for what is and isn't in Firefox releases. Talking about the PM GUI, Beltzner says in that thread, We obviously won't ship a product to users that regresses important functionality that our support teams rely on. And obviously, if the PM GUI is available for Fx releases, it will also be available for SeaMonkey releases. He is but one person. there many other there anxious to deep six it asap. Can your 85 year old Grandma trying to use command line to do something that was easy to do. Okay, where is that coming from Phillip? Have you read the thread in the developer group? I don't think you can support that statement. Even if it is true, Mike Beltzner is a pretty important one person. Lee Yes I have been reading the group and even posting occasion. And Mike is suggestion not deep six Profile manager but to modernize it. But the other voices except of those of us have some sanity are read to can it ASAP. Many say there is no need for even texting for a bad profile. Some even suggestion it be self healing. but suppose the self heal routine destroys information you need to keep. What then. I am not saying everything has to be on a menu. But why switch something that's been a menu choice for ages and suddenly its a Command line that you have to use Terminal to use. I am not looking at the prospect. That would mean I would have to make a daily back up of my profile Folder ever day just to reload in case some went haywire. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: David E. Ross: I was used to setting alias rm='rm -i' but I was working at a location other than my usual. I entered rm * Quickly realizing what I had done, I then entered CTRL-C But it was too late. I didn't lose all my files, but I lost too many. Fortunately, all accounts were backed-up daily by the system administrators. Well, you are responsible for that what you are doing. Would you really like it in this way? user: enters command system: are you sure? user: yes system: really? user: YES system: would you like to reflect your decision? user: $§%$§ Hart *g* mut Well the Mac OS is not quite that way the first 3 step are accurate although its actually okay or cancel, with Cancel the highlighted choice. Gives one change to decided whether, your okay with your decision or you willing to possibly screw up your application or system click menu choice windows comes up are you sure you want to do this Choices Cancel / Okay. You decide. slows you down enough so you can decide whether you want to throw away that valuable file you've worked on for a year and half or not. In UNIX, LINUX, or even windows you put in the wrong thing, its gone. You still have to decide , but it give you the ability to decided to screw up or not. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Manuel Reimer wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. That's how unix works. It does what you say and if you say delete this hard drive, it does so without asking silly questions like are you sure?. 'tis not such a silly question, for people who never use it. or are just getting started. Now if you have run UNIX 20 years or more, you should know all the commands, and therefore you will never make a mistake. (or would it be possible?) From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. If you follow the thread on the issue the vast majority of poster don't want it removed. But the vast majority of the developers posting to same thread are bound and determined to get it done. Some say it will be just for testing purposes then when the real thing comes out it will be put back. They say that, then when it comes to rolout of end user version . opps , oh we forgot to put that back in. while under their breath they are are saying under their breath (ha!Ha!ha1 we fooled you good didn't we.) Or in other words: For Windows problems reboot, for Unix problems be root ;-) If the final solution really will be a command line switch, then it should be possible to fork the old dialogs and hook them up somehow to the new interface, but let's wait for the final solution. There are already many *real* problems/bugs in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, which should be fixed. CU Manuel -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Manuel Reimer wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. That's how unix works. It does what you say and if you say delete this hard drive, it does so without asking silly questions like are you sure?. 'tis not such a silly question, for people who never use it. or are just getting started. Now if you have run UNIX 20 years or more, you should know all the commands, and therefore you will never make a mistake. (or would it be possible?) From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. If you follow the thread on the issue the vast majority of poster don't want it removed. But the vast majority of the developers posting to same thread are bound and determined to get it done. Some say it will be just for testing purposes then when the real thing comes out it will be put back. They say that, then when it comes to rolout of end user version . opps , oh we forgot to put that back in. while under their breath they are are saying under their breath (ha!Ha!ha1 we fooled you good didn't we.) Or in other words: For Windows problems reboot, for Unix problems be root ;-) If the final solution really will be a command line switch, then it should be possible to fork the old dialogs and hook them up somehow to the new interface, but let's wait for the final solution. There are already many *real* problems/bugs in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, which should be fixed. CU Manuel It is true that for old line Mac OS users, those who began with Mac Classic OS's, the Terminal is a very, very foreign concept. Lee Is it possible/has it happened that a person using Linux ,Unix or even Command line DOS in windows that have 10-20 years experience is capable of making a mistakes and wiping out their drive they are working from? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Manuel Reimer wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. That's how unix works. It does what you say and if you say delete this hard drive, it does so without asking silly questions like are you sure?. 'tis not such a silly question, for people who never use it. or are just getting started. Now if you have run UNIX 20 years or more, you should know all the commands, and therefore you will never make a mistake. (or would it be possible?) From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. If you follow the thread on the issue the vast majority of poster don't want it removed. But the vast majority of the developers posting to same thread are bound and determined to get it done. Some say it will be just for testing purposes then when the real thing comes out it will be put back. They say that, then when it comes to rolout of end user version . opps , oh we forgot to put that back in. while under their breath they are are saying under their breath (ha!Ha!ha1 we fooled you good didn't we.) Or in other words: For Windows problems reboot, for Unix problems be root ;-) If the final solution really will be a command line switch, then it should be possible to fork the old dialogs and hook them up somehow to the new interface, but let's wait for the final solution. There are already many *real* problems/bugs in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, which should be fixed. CU Manuel It is true that for old line Mac OS users, those who began with Mac Classic OS's, the Terminal is a very, very foreign concept. Lee ...heh...us former DOS 1.0 users and FORTRAN coders get the concept, but actually use the Terminal window?..nahhh...not without guidance from above and beyond... ...every time I get confused on a win-doze machine I usually think how would I do this in DOS?..and resolve my problem. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus: ...heh...us former DOS 1.0 users and FORTRAN coders get the concept, but actually use the Terminal window?..nahhh...not without guidance from above and beyond... Interesting. On my Linux with only icewm and no desktop i would be lost without xterm. And lots of it. *g* Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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In news:f7cdnxxzbk0gmtpwnz2dnuvz_o5i4...@mozilla.org, Leonidas Jones leonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: David E. Ross: Bug #214675 proposes to delete the Profile Manager. It is being extensively discussed at mozilla.dev.planning. I've read through the discussion. I think, as I am reading it, there will not be a removal of Profile Manager as we know it, at least not without a workable alternative, hopefully not command line. I agree with you. The comment that set off the thread is B. Smedburg's comment https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=214675#c40: [patch to] Remove profile manager and named profile support, rev. 1 I want to do this for the 1.9.3 cycle. This removes a fair bit of complexity from nsAppRunner.cpp and related code. This will help make it possible to refactor all our startup code (XPCOM and toolkit) into a single place. It will also make it possible to re-add a well-designed profile system like dmills wants to do for Weave integration that doesn't require application restart. And in the thread at m.d.planning, he says: I believe in having UI so that SUMO can solve end-user problems effectively. There's also M. Beltzner's post in the thread saying: We obviously won't ship a product to users that regresses important functionality that our support teams rely on (as Cheng indicated), but I think we can ship nightly and development builds without a profile manager for a while as long as we correctly document how to achieve the same functionality with command line arguments. As I read it, they may remove the PM GUI for a while, while refactoring the startup stuff goes on. That would affect the nightlies for all toolkit apps during that time. But before anything is released to end-users, there would be GUI for everything the PM currently does; in fact, it looks like there's a chance it would be greatly improved (and possibly integrated with the safe-mode GUI). -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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As I read it, they may remove the PM GUI for a while, while refactoring the startup stuff goes on. That would affect the nightlies for all toolkit apps during that time. Humpf. I hope in this case there will be a possibility for self compiled nightlies to keep the GUI. Perhaps with an instruction in .mozconfig. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge: [...] With missing reply header and no supersede possible in this group. Hm. Well, here is it. »Q«: Hart dr mut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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In news:h4-dnaaw_yrxtnlwnz2dnuvz_hmdn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. Using the command line to launch SeaMonkey is pretty safe, since no one is very likely to make a typo that transforms seamonkey into one of the commands that can delete everything on your hard drive. From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. You always jump to that conclusion, no matter what you've actually read. Perhaps part of the problem is that you don't actually know who has what responsibilities, so you can't tell who's saying what. Mike Beltzner is the director of the Firefox project, ultimately responsible for what is and isn't in Firefox releases. Talking about the PM GUI, Beltzner says in that thread, We obviously won't ship a product to users that regresses important functionality that our support teams rely on. And obviously, if the PM GUI is available for Fx releases, it will also be available for SeaMonkey releases. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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In news:4b4fb2cc.1040...@hfigge.myfqdn.de, Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: As I read it, they may remove the PM GUI for a while, while refactoring the startup stuff goes on. That would affect the nightlies for all toolkit apps during that time. Humpf. I hope in this case there will be a possibility for self compiled nightlies to keep the GUI. Perhaps with an instruction in .mozconfig. As I read it, the old GUI won't work with the new startup stuff, once that work is underway. But there may be some kind of temporary UI frontend for the command-line options, to simplify things for the QA people. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Manuel Reimer wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. That's how unix works. It does what you say and if you say delete this hard drive, it does so without asking silly questions like are you sure?. 'tis not such a silly question, for people who never use it. or are just getting started. Now if you have run UNIX 20 years or more, you should know all the commands, and therefore you will never make a mistake. (or would it be possible?) From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. If you follow the thread on the issue the vast majority of poster don't want it removed. But the vast majority of the developers posting to same thread are bound and determined to get it done. Some say it will be just for testing purposes then when the real thing comes out it will be put back. They say that, then when it comes to rolout of end user version . opps , oh we forgot to put that back in. while under their breath they are are saying under their breath (ha!Ha!ha1 we fooled you good didn't we.) Or in other words: For Windows problems reboot, for Unix problems be root ;-) If the final solution really will be a command line switch, then it should be possible to fork the old dialogs and hook them up somehow to the new interface, but let's wait for the final solution. There are already many *real* problems/bugs in SeaMonkey 2.0.x, which should be fixed. CU Manuel It is true that for old line Mac OS users, those who began with Mac Classic OS's, the Terminal is a very, very foreign concept. Lee ...heh...us former DOS 1.0 users and FORTRAN coders get the concept, but actually use the Terminal window?..nahhh...not without guidance from above and beyond... ...every time I get confused on a win-doze machine I usually think how would I do this in DOS?..and resolve my problem. The most Dangerous thing we had in OS9 which was C+ C++ and objective C was ResEdit when I was using OS 9 and lower All the time I could do things in ResEdit to fix problems. I've bee away from OS9 I wouldn't begin to know how to use it. And when OSX came out using BSD UNIX and FreeBSD UNIX and Terminal I had good sense not to mess with it. I have used it a time or two but only I copy and pasted code I was given. In the Day's of DOS I had to reformat many a Drive, and reinstall software after teachers and student's alike accident typed init at the wrong time. So using a low level command is unrealistic for Mac users. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: Rufus: ...heh...us former DOS 1.0 users and FORTRAN coders get the concept, but actually use the Terminal window?..nahhh...not without guidance from above and beyond... Interesting. On my Linux with only icewm and no desktop i would be lost without xterm. And lots of it. *g* Hartmut That's the thing. You'd be lost without xterm (Terminal for Linux) is because your use to it. On Mac system while the actual system used is FreeBSD UNIX the Apple Mac Interface does all the UNIX commands and the UNIX is hidden. This was by design. Apple wanted the users to not worry fiddling a futzing with the system. And just be able to get work done with the least amount of worry The way system really ought to be. It silly to have to type a command line in a modern system just to get to something that previously you had a menu choice for. I don't know what all this fascination with using command line stuff to do work. My goodness you were doing that in 1982 and 27 years later you still want to fiddle with command line. I don't find anything geeky, nerdy about it just old and out of fashion. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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»Q« wrote: Innews:h4-dnaaw_yrxtnlwnz2dnuvz_hmdn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. Using the command line to launch SeaMonkey is pretty safe, since no one is very likely to make a typo that transforms seamonkey into one of the commands that can delete everything on your hard drive. From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. You always jump to that conclusion, no matter what you've actually read. Perhaps part of the problem is that you don't actually know who has what responsibilities, so you can't tell who's saying what. Mike Beltzner is the director of the Firefox project, ultimately responsible for what is and isn't in Firefox releases. Talking about the PM GUI, Beltzner says in that thread, We obviously won't ship a product to users that regresses important functionality that our support teams rely on. And obviously, if the PM GUI is available for Fx releases, it will also be available for SeaMonkey releases. He is but one person. there many other there anxious to deep six it asap. Can your 85 year old Grandma trying to use command line to do something that was easy to do. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: »Q« wrote: Innews:h4-dnaaw_yrxtnlwnz2dnuvz_hmdn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: /snip/ You always jump to that conclusion, no matter what you've actually read. Perhaps part of the problem is that you don't actually know who has what responsibilities, so you can't tell who's saying what. Mike Beltzner is the director of the Firefox project, ultimately responsible for what is and isn't in Firefox releases. Talking about the PM GUI, Beltzner says in that thread, We obviously won't ship a product to users that regresses important functionality that our support teams rely on. And obviously, if the PM GUI is available for Fx releases, it will also be available for SeaMonkey releases. He is but one person. there many other there anxious to deep six it asap. Can your 85 year old Grandma trying to use command line to do something that was easy to do. Okay, where is that coming from Phillip? Have you read the thread in the developer group? I don't think you can support that statement. Even if it is true, Mike Beltzner is a pretty important one person. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
In news:mjqdnfxvpcrqxdlwnz2dnuvz_qudn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: On Mac system while the actual system used is FreeBSD UNIX the Apple Mac Interface does all the UNIX commands and the UNIX is hidden. Not all of them, by far. It just does the stuff most users will ever need. It silly to have to type a command line in a modern system just to get to something that previously you had a menu choice for. On Macs, does SeaMonkey still install a menu item to launch the profile manager? I don't know what all this fascination with using command line stuff to do work. My goodness you were doing that in 1982 and 27 years later you still want to fiddle with command line. I don't find anything geeky, nerdy about it just old and out of fashion. In some cases, it's used to do things that can't be done with the GUI. It gives a lot more control, though it's certainly fine if that increased control isn't something you want for yourself. In other cases, it's used to quickly do things are more tedious in a GUI. For example, I create a new testing profile and launch the browser by typing four letters, rather than by opening the PM then clicking checkboxes and navigating to where I want the profile stored and all that. GUI users can do the same thing, but it takes them longer, and it would annoy me if the GUI were the only way to do it. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/14/2010 11:30 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Is it possible/has it happened that a person using Linux ,Unix or even Command line DOS in windows that have 10-20 years experience is capable of making a mistakes and wiping out their drive they are working from? Yes :( I was used to setting alias rm='rm -i' but I was working at a location other than my usual. I entered rm * Quickly realizing what I had done, I then entered CTRL-C But it was too late. I didn't lose all my files, but I lost too many. Fortunately, all accounts were backed-up daily by the system administrators. When I got a shell account on my ISP's Web server in my own address space, one of the first things I did was alias rm='rm -i' I also did the same for cp and mv. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
On 1/14/2010 4:24 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:h4-dnaaw_yrxtnlwnz2dnuvz_hmdn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. Using the command line to launch SeaMonkey is pretty safe, since no one is very likely to make a typo that transforms seamonkey into one of the commands that can delete everything on your hard drive. From what I've been reading on the dev.planning newsgroup. They are bound and determined to do it coming Hxxx or highwater regardless of what users say. You always jump to that conclusion, no matter what you've actually read. Perhaps part of the problem is that you don't actually know who has what responsibilities, so you can't tell who's saying what. Mike Beltzner is the director of the Firefox project, ultimately responsible for what is and isn't in Firefox releases. Talking about the PM GUI, Beltzner says in that thread, We obviously won't ship a product to users that regresses important functionality that our support teams rely on. And obviously, if the PM GUI is available for Fx releases, it will also be available for SeaMonkey releases. As I said before, the replacement for Profile Manager requested in bug #539524 is -- from the Summary, Product, Component, and Description in that bug report -- only for test and triage, not for end users. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
»Q« wrote: Innews:mjqdnfxvpcrqxdlwnz2dnuvz_qudn...@mozilla.org, Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: On Mac system while the actual system used is FreeBSD UNIX the Apple Mac Interface does all the UNIX commands and the UNIX is hidden. Not all of them, by far. It just does the stuff most users will ever need. It silly to have to type a command line in a modern system just to get to something that previously you had a menu choice for. On Macs, does SeaMonkey still install a menu item to launch the profile manager? I don't know what all this fascination with using command line stuff to do work. My goodness you were doing that in 1982 and 27 years later you still want to fiddle with command line. I don't find anything geeky, nerdy about it just old and out of fashion. In some cases, it's used to do things that can't be done with the GUI. It gives a lot more control, though it's certainly fine if that increased control isn't something you want for yourself. In other cases, it's used to quickly do things are more tedious in a GUI. For example, I create a new testing profile and launch the browser by typing four letters, rather than by opening the PM then clicking checkboxes and navigating to where I want the profile stored and all that. GUI users can do the same thing, but it takes them longer, and it would annoy me if the GUI were the only way to do it. No, there is no menu item to invoke Profile Manager. Either its done in terminal, or by starting SeaMonkey from the Dock, and choosing ToolsSwitch Profile. In SM 1.1.18, one could invoke Profile Manager by holding down the Option Key while clicking the Dock icon. In 2.0.x that invokes Safe-Mode. Since you can get to Profile Manager easily once SM is opened, I like the easy option of getting to Safe Mode. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
David E. Ross: Bug #214675 proposes to delete the Profile Manager. *EEKKK* It is being extensively discussed at mozilla.dev.planning. Too lazy. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile Manager
Leonidas Jones wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: David E. Ross: Bug #214675 proposes to delete the Profile Manager. *EEKKK* It is being extensively discussed at mozilla.dev.planning. Too lazy. :) Hartmut I've read through the discussion. I think, as I am reading it, there will not be a removal of Profile Manager as we know it, at least not without a workable alternative, hopefully not command line. Lee That would Be bad for Mac if we had to go to command line as we would have go into UNIX and use terminal. That's something I don't wish to do. In Terminal if you don't know what your doing, you can erase the hard drive in a heart beat without knowing what your doing. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: One question and NO COMMENT: How close is SM2 to being finished, for final evaluation? :-\ We will be doing another alpha and a beta before final, so a final SeaMonkey 2 can be expected in the second quarter of 2009. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: One question and NO COMMENT: How close is SM2 to being finished, for final evaluation? :-\ We will be doing another alpha and a beta before final, so a final SeaMonkey 2 can be expected in the second quarter of 2009. Robert Kaiser To Robert Kaiser: Thank you! :-) -- Old Sarge-John Boyle ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
news.mozilla.org wrote: I have tried already all the suggestions listed. I'm a computer programmer and have been using computers since 1979, so I have experience. There are no programs in QuickLaunch relating to any browser, except having SeaMonkey launch my localhost. But I removed that and still can't get to profile. I'll upgrade to Seamonkey2 when it has all the add-on I've been using for years. news.mozilla.org wyley...@comcast.net wrote in message news:zacdny6hq_pqt9funz2dnuvz_rrin...@mozilla.org... The following 2 shortcuts are not working with SeaMonkey 1.1.4 D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -profilemanager D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -P Can anyone help??? is D: really the drive where Program Files directory is located? -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey profile manager not loading
The following 2 shortcuts are not working with SeaMonkey 1.1.4 D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -profilemanager D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -P Can anyone help??? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
On 12/18/08 15:25, Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/18/08 14:47, news.mozilla.org wrote: The following 2 shortcuts are not working with SeaMonkey 1.1.4 Version 1.1.4 is really old. You should upgrade to something newer. I believe 1.1.14 was just released. D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -profilemanager D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -P Are you sure your path toe seamonkey.exe is correct? If so, try using -ProfileManager rather than -profilemanager. Can anyone help??? We'll see :-) Hmmm, we'll, I just tried this on mine (1.1.13 on Windows/XP) and it just brings up the browser. However, from the browser you can go to Tools - Switch Profile, and it brings up the profile management dialog. Strange. Perhaps a bug? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
Hartmut Figge wrote: Mhm, he is using Win and not Linux. Does capitalization there really count? ;) it shouldn't! -- *IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but I cannot provide email help Emails to me may become public Notice: This posting is protected under the Free Speech Laws, which applies everywhere in the FREE world, except for some strange reason, not to the mozilla.org newsgroup servers, where your posting may get you banned. Peter Potamus His Magic Flying Balloon: http://melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/mp3/p-potamus.mp3 http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
news.mozilla.org wrote: The following 2 shortcuts are not working with SeaMonkey 1.1.4 D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -profilemanager D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -P Can anyone help??? click on the windows start button, then run and enter: seamonkey.exe -p this should bring up the profile manager. Does it? -- *IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but I cannot provide email help Emails to me may become public Notice: This posting is protected under the Free Speech Laws, which applies everywhere in the FREE world, except for some strange reason, not to the mozilla.org newsgroup servers, where your posting may get you banned. Peter Potamus His Magic Flying Balloon: http://melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/mp3/p-potamus.mp3 http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
On 12/18/2008 16:21, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: news.mozilla.org wrote: The following 2 shortcuts are not working with SeaMonkey 1.1.4 D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -profilemanager D:\Program Files\BROWSERS\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe -P Can anyone help??? click on the windows start button, then run and enter: seamonkey.exe -p this should bring up the profile manager. Does it? Any chancce you have quick Launch active ? Above examples work for me - -p is not case sensative as mentioned by PP. regards:captjlddavis ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
captjldd wrote: Any chancce you have quick Launch active ? ahh, good point. I keep forgetting that. With todays fast computers, that quicklaunch should be obsolete. -- *IMPORTANT*: Sorry folks, but I cannot provide email help Emails to me may become public Notice: This posting is protected under the Free Speech Laws, which applies everywhere in the FREE world, except for some strange reason, not to the mozilla.org newsgroup servers, where your posting may get you banned. Peter Potamus His Magic Flying Balloon: http://melaman2.com/cartoons/singles/mp3/p-potamus.mp3 http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: captjldd wrote: Any chancce you have quick Launch active ? ahh, good point. I keep forgetting that. With todays fast computers, that quicklaunch should be obsolete. That's the main reason why didn't aggressively look for a replacement to it in SeaMonkey 2 ;-) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:27:59 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: captjldd wrote: Any chancce you have quick Launch active ? ahh, good point. I keep forgetting that. With todays fast computers, that quicklaunch should be obsolete. That's the main reason why didn't aggressively look for a replacement to it in SeaMonkey 2 ;-) Now if someone could fix the problems that prevent the minimize-to-tray extension from compiling properly on trunk we may be half way to getting something roughly similar. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]I've been scheduled for a karma transplant. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
