Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul Marwick]

A Williams wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:

I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying that
someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both cases,
Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a period of
hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I got a similar
warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs Seamonkey mail all the
time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the "attempt"
was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has done
something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've only
seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also seems
odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it normally shows
that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based machine. At the time,
the only thing accessing the Gmail account would have been Seamonkey...

I've also got another IMAP account which is behaving a little oddly. I
access it both with Seamonkey mail and through a webmail interface (the
webmail interface is the most recent version of Horde). Suddenly, any
time I attempt to use the webmail interface from Seamonkey, it is
reporting that the browser doesn't support javascript or javascript is
disabled. I've not changed anything, and I was able to access the
webmail interface after the upgrade to 2.49.1. I can still access it
correctly in Chromium or Firefox - its only Seamonkey that has the 
problem.


I'm using the official Arch Linux Seamonkey build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Build identifier: 20171107205422

Paul.



As you can see from the User Agent, I'm still on 2.46.
I have two ISPs, my "normal" one and one for emergencies when the 
"normal" one does not work for some reason (they are totally seperate).

Yesterday I had a problem and switched to the backup ISP.
My gmail access is via IMAP and gmail complained almost immediately, 
saying someone had access to my password and asking if this was really 
me.  The attempted access was blocked.


In my case the messages (and the access) were legitimate.


That sounds exactly like the problem I had. So at least its not 
something in 2.49.1 - just gmail doing strange things. I had another 
strange problem with Gmail a few days ago - I had been logged into my 
gmail account both on the desktop upstairs and on my laptop. Just as I 
was getting ready to pack up and go to bed, I got a pop-up from gmail 
telling me to log in via the web. Didn't make much sense, since I hadn't 
got one of the "someone tried your password" messages this time. But I 
couldn't access Gmail from the laptop at all, so I fired up the browser 
and did as asked. That worked, but I still couldn't use the email client 
to log in to gmail.


After going back and forwards a few times, I gave up and went to check 
the desktop. Which had exactly the same problem. And also didn't want to 
clear. After a lot of struggling, I got gmail to accept al login from 
Thunderbird (which I had configured but hadn't used in months). Still 
couldn't get anywhere with Seamonkey mail. In the end I gave up and went 
to bed.


Next morning the problem had gone - Seamonkey mail was working again. So 
whatever gmail broke, they fixed. For the moment at least


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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[A Williams]

Paul Marwick wrote:

I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying that
someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both cases,
Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a period of
hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I got a similar
warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs Seamonkey mail all the
time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the "attempt"
was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has done
something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've only
seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also seems
odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it normally shows
that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based machine. At the time,
the only thing accessing the Gmail account would have been Seamonkey...

I've also got another IMAP account which is behaving a little oddly. I
access it both with Seamonkey mail and through a webmail interface (the
webmail interface is the most recent version of Horde). Suddenly, any
time I attempt to use the webmail interface from Seamonkey, it is
reporting that the browser doesn't support javascript or javascript is
disabled. I've not changed anything, and I was able to access the
webmail interface after the upgrade to 2.49.1. I can still access it
correctly in Chromium or Firefox - its only Seamonkey that has the problem.

I'm using the official Arch Linux Seamonkey build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Build identifier: 20171107205422

Paul.



As you can see from the User Agent, I'm still on 2.46.
I have two ISPs, my "normal" one and one for emergencies when the 
"normal" one does not work for some reason (they are totally seperate).

Yesterday I had a problem and switched to the backup ISP.
My gmail access is via IMAP and gmail complained almost immediately, 
saying someone had access to my password and asking if this was really 
me.  The attempted access was blocked.


In my case the messages (and the access) were legitimate.
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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Paul Marwick wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Google has been pulling this crap for months, probably over a year
now. I routinely clear cookies automatically on shutdown, and
sometimes manually during a session, and Google uses cookies to
recognize your device. So every time I clear cookies, it thinks
I'm logging in with a new device and wants me to prove I'm me.


Interesting. I had no idea that the mail client used cookies at all.
I was able to log in using the web browser the first time it
happened. It was also the fact that normally when I get emails noting
a login from another device they are usually able to identify the OS,
which didn't happen in this case - it was just "unknown device".
Though most of the warning messages about logging in from other
devices would apply to a web login, not an IMAP connection from a
mail client.


OK, I didn't mean to claim that the mail client used cookies. I 
routinely retrieve Gmail by POP3 without difficulty (sorry, no IMAP 
experience). But if you go through the webmail it's a different story. 
That's when you have to jump through all those hoops. Yet another reason 
to hate webmails.


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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul Marwick]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:


I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying
that someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both
cases, Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a
period of hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I
got a similar warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs
Seamonkey mail all the time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the
"attempt" was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has
done something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've
only seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also
seems odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it
normally shows that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based
machine. At the time, the only thing accessing the Gmail account
would have been Seamonkey...
...


Google has been pulling this crap for months, probably over a year 
now. I routinely clear cookies automatically on shutdown, and 
sometimes manually during a session, and Google uses cookies to 
recognize your device. So every time I clear cookies, it thinks I'm 
logging in with a new device and wants me to prove I'm me.


Interesting. I had no idea that the mail client used cookies at all. I 
was able to log in using the web browser the first time it happened. It 
was also the fact that normally when I get emails noting a login from 
another device they are usually able to identify the OS, which didn't 
happen in this case - it was just "unknown device". Though most of the 
warning messages about logging in from other devices would apply to a 
web login, not an IMAP connection from a mail client.





In your case, I suspect the cookie had a time limit and expired. You 
can confirm/refute that by inspecting the cookie the next time you log 
in.




Thanks. I'll do some more checking. I've no idea what cookies are kept 
for google - I use the search engine, Google+ (not my favourite thing, 
but its the only way I can keep up with an Android app that I use) as 
well as maps and Google Keep. So I guess there are probably a heap of 
cookies in there. No idea what their expiry is either.


Paul.

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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Paul Marwick wrote:


I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying
that someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both
cases, Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a
period of hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I
got a similar warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs
Seamonkey mail all the time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the
"attempt" was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has
done something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've
only seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also
seems odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it
normally shows that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based
machine. At the time, the only thing accessing the Gmail account
would have been Seamonkey...
...


Google has been pulling this crap for months, probably over a year now. 
I routinely clear cookies automatically on shutdown, and sometimes 
manually during a session, and Google uses cookies to recognize your 
device. So every time I clear cookies, it thinks I'm logging in with a 
new device and wants me to prove I'm me.


In your case, I suspect the cookie had a time limit and expired. You can 
confirm/refute that by inspecting the cookie the next time you log in.


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Re: Gmail email list double text and missing toolbar

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Esther Lev wrote:


Using SeaMonkey 2.40 on a MacBook Air with Sierra

When I open seamonkey the google browser page opens with SeaMonkey tool
bar at the top of the screen. If  gmail is opened the toolbar remains
but the list of emails is double text-unstarred and the words unstarred
and then the name of the email on top of it.

When I open my second email account using the mail and newsgroup, the
email window opens with no toolbar. After opening an email there is no
way to return to the list of emails.

Pictures within Facebook and pop ups are blank

I deleted the old copy of SeaMonkey 2.40 and downloaded  a new version
and still have the same issues.


Yeh, SM will remember the settings saved in your profile, so 
reinstalling won't change them.


Hoping there's enough similarities to the Windows interface...

1) To reveal the toolbar, try Alt-V, which should give you the View 
menu, and you can check the box(es) to enable what you want.


2) Also, at the lower left corner of the email message you should see 
several icons, one that looks like an envelope. Click it to open the 
mail/news app.


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Re: GMail Question.... and Help..

[JAS]

null wrote:

JAS wrote:

SamuelS wrote:

Hello all,

I have two (2) gmail accounts loaded on my desktop configured as well
only one (1) of these accounts configured on my laptop.

The issue I Am having is, on my desktop the account is only sporadically
dl'ing messages, i.e. five out of 35 I receive in a day. I also have
gone back to the web based account and marked as 'not read' and still
the desk top is not able to recognize the message as new.

Is there something I need to do to correct this? These are set as pop3
accounts retrievals.

TIA - bo1953

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Maybe this will help some:
If you want to access Gmail using multiple pop-readers, you will need to
use Gmail's "recent mode".
Instructions --> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948

The trade-off is that if the pop-reader uses "recent mode", it will not
be able to access mail more than 30 days old.
Once it is read on one computer  it can not be read on another
even if it is saved on the GMail account and if if you mark it as
unread--the only way is ser it to "recent mode". You can with Yahoo or
Hotmail but not GMail.

JAS


JAS,

Thank you, this appeared to have worked... much appreciated

Glad it helped you.

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Re: GMail Question.... and Help..

[null]

JAS wrote:

SamuelS wrote:

Hello all,

I have two (2) gmail accounts loaded on my desktop configured as well
only one (1) of these accounts configured on my laptop.

The issue I Am having is, on my desktop the account is only sporadically
dl'ing messages, i.e. five out of 35 I receive in a day. I also have
gone back to the web based account and marked as 'not read' and still
the desk top is not able to recognize the message as new.

Is there something I need to do to correct this? These are set as pop3
accounts retrievals.

TIA - bo1953

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https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Maybe this will help some:
If you want to access Gmail using multiple pop-readers, you will need to
use Gmail's "recent mode".
Instructions --> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948

The trade-off is that if the pop-reader uses "recent mode", it will not
be able to access mail more than 30 days old.
Once it is read on one computer  it can not be read on another 
even if it is saved on the GMail account and if if you mark it as 
unread--the only way is ser it to "recent mode". You can with Yahoo or 
Hotmail but not GMail.


JAS


JAS,

Thank you, this appeared to have worked... much appreciated
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Re: GMail Question.... and Help..

[JAS]

SamuelS wrote:

Hello all,

I have two (2) gmail accounts loaded on my desktop configured as well
only one (1) of these accounts configured on my laptop.

The issue I Am having is, on my desktop the account is only sporadically
dl'ing messages, i.e. five out of 35 I receive in a day. I also have
gone back to the web based account and marked as 'not read' and still
the desk top is not able to recognize the message as new.

Is there something I need to do to correct this? These are set as pop3
accounts retrievals.

TIA - bo1953

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Maybe this will help some:
If you want to access Gmail using multiple pop-readers, you will need to
use Gmail's "recent mode".
Instructions --> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948

The trade-off is that if the pop-reader uses "recent mode", it will not
be able to access mail more than 30 days old.
	Once it is read on one computer  it can not be read on another even if 
it is saved on the GMail account and if if you mark it as unread--the 
only way is ser it to "recent mode". You can with Yahoo or Hotmail but 
not GMail.


JAS

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Re: Gmail problem with SM 2.40

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:


When I go on the Gmail site/page ... I got this message

This version of Firefox is no longer supported. Please upgrade to
a supported browser.


Works fine for me. Just click "Dismiss" and go on with your life.

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Re: Gmail problem with SM 2.40

[WaltS48]

On 10/22/2016 06:24 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

When I go on the Gmail site/page ... I got this message

This version of Firefox is no longer supported. Please upgrade to 
asupported browser.



Disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility". Edit > Preferences > Advanced 
> HTTP Networking and try again.


Firefox 43 is probably no longer supported.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Re getting all my inboxes into one inbox:

Thanks. Paul.

I have version 2.39. Not sure what the user agent thing is that
Daniel shows below.


Each outgoing mail message, unless the sender goes through a webmail, 
has a field in its header that specifies the "user agent" (mail program 
used to compose it). If you select your message and do CTRL-U (Windows) 
or CMD-U (Mac), you should see a line like this about 20 lines from the top:


User-Agent: G2/1.0

If you select my message and do the same, you should see:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39


This is more helpful because I'm actually using SeaMonkey to post here, 
while you're not. Even if I don't explicitly state my version and 
platform in a query, troubleshooters can look it up this way.



I see someone names Edmund mentioned in several posts who seems to be
one of the developers? Are there any other MAC users?


Sure, let's keep reading and one of them is bound to speak up.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Re getting all my inboxes into one inbox:


Thanks. Paul.


I have version 2.39.  Not sure what the user agent thing is that Daniel shows 
below.  

I see someone names Edmund mentioned in several posts who seems to be one of 
the developers?  Are there any other MAC users?

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Daniel]

On 15/03/2016 3:20 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).




Hmm, yes, we do have some differences in our dialogs.

To repeat my previous question: What version of SM do you have? I'm
using the latest stable release, v. 2.39.


His User Agent is showing as "G2/1.0"

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).




Hmm, yes, we do have some differences in our dialogs.

To repeat my previous question: What version of SM do you have? I'm 
using the latest stable release, v. 2.39.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).

https://www.evernote.com/l/AQroH_zWjBZEe7DVRBtDWu32OxC1hJpYJro

I wonder what other Mac people are doing?
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Christian Riechers]

On 03/13/2016 04:58 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Christian Riechers wrote:
>> On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
 Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
 protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
 login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
 time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
 closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
 wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
 for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.
>>>
>>> What protocol?
>>
>> OAuth2
> 
> For web browser authorization. Again, for a mail client? Not a push for
> their webmail portal?

Thunderbird has implemented OAuth2 authentication for Gmail IMAP and
SMTP since v38.
The benefit is that one doesn't need to jump through hoops anymore and
allow 'less secure' apps for Gmail.
I don't know about Seamonkey.

> 

That post is more than a year old.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

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Christian Riechers wrote:

On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.


What protocol?


OAuth2


For web browser authorization. Again, for a mail client? Not a push for 
their webmail portal?





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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you, Paul G.

It looked like it was going to work, but then in each account, under

> Server Settings, under Message Storage, I get


Clean up check box
Empty Trash checkbox

Message Store type (per folder or per mailbox)
(only selectable on one account, the other two accounts have this
greyed out)

And
Local directory, which is preset, but I can also browse.

There is NO advanced tab except under Server Settings, which is a
different one.


Not a tab, a button. On my display, it's to the right of the line
[x] Empty Trash on Exit
and above and to the right of
Message Store Type: [File per folder (mbox)]

I would also note that this applies only to mail accounts; the dialog is 
somewhat different for newsgroup accounts. And of course Local Folders 
has no Server Settings section.


What version of SM do you have? I'm using the latest stable release, v. 
2.39.



I wonder if the OSX version is different.


Possibly.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Thank you, Paul G.

It looked like it was going to work, but then in each account, under Server 
Settings, under Message Storage, I get 

Clean up check box
Empty Trash checkbox


Message Store type (per folder or per mailbox)
(only selectable on one account, the other two accounts have this greyed out)

And
Local directory, which is preset, but I can also browse.

There is NO advanced tab except under Server Settings, which is a different one.

I wonder if the OSX version is different.


Your other two suggestions work fine. Thank you.  Also you interesting filter 
idea.

Thanks,
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Christian Riechers]

On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
>> Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
>> protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
>> login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
>> time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
>> closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
>> wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
>> for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.
> 
> What protocol?

OAuth2

> Currently using SSL/StartTLS,

In this context SSL/TLS has got nothing to do with the way you
authenticate to your Gmail account.

> do you mean TLS 1.0? IIRC

No.

> Mozilla tried disabling it by default, but it broke too many websites so
> folk could do things like online banking... Or is this some special
> protocol where Chrome takes a DNS sample? ;-)

It is scary how you arbitrarily throw in new terms completely out of
context.
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


more on SeaMonkey

1) In MAC Mail I am able to have a single view of the combined emails
coming into my several accounts, but so far, in SeaMonkey I see all
mail organized under the domain.  That means I get a separate lin
with Emails (Read messages, Compose) , Accounts (View Settings,
Create new) and Advanced (search, manage.)

Is there any way to have all messages appear together without having
to click each account? I researched and found that you have a
global inbox, but this option ONLY seems available for account
creation.


This doesn't really answer your question as asked, but it's worth 
looking into since it's good stuff to know anyway:


I have an elaborate system of filters that moves incoming messages to 
appropriate folders, so for example I can see all my accountant's 
messages in one place. When a new message lands in a box, the box name 
is bolded with the number of new messages in parens. So if my 
accountant's box lights up, I can see at a glance that I have mail from 
him. In fact, most of my incoming mail is prefiled for me this way, so I 
hardly have to spend any time in the Inbox.


Where it gets interesting is that you can filter messages from one 
account into a folder in another account, so in principle you could 
write a filter that filed all messages arriving in one account to 
another account's inbox. Or not, your choice.


Now here's the direct answer to your question:

Go to Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings.

Expand each account, and click "Server Settings."

Near the bottom of that pane, you'll see a section, "Message Storage." 
Click the "Advanced" button there. You'll get a dialog saying,


When downloading mail for , use the following folder for 
new mail:

(•) Inbox for this server's account
(o) Inbox for different account [Choose folder...]

If you select the second option, one of the folders offered is "Global 
Inbox (Local Folders)." This will route all incoming mail for the 
account to the Inbox folder under the "Local Folders" account.


By following this procedure for all your mail accounts, you should be 
able to route all incoming mail to the global inbox.



2)  The order of my folders within each account just seems to have
changed.  Before it was INBOX, followed by drafts, send messages,
etc. Now these appear at the bottom in reverse order.  Must be
something I clicked, but where?  now it has gone back.  But not sure
why or how.


At the top of the folder list, you should see the column heading "Name." 
Click it to reverse the order. You probably did that by accident, but 
since it's a toggle, it's easily fixed.



3) Anyway to get the first pane (FOLDER pane) to show larger fonts?


Dunno, I would think that was an OS feature. My Windows expertise won't 
help you on a Mac.


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[tokyoprogressive]

more on SeaMonkey

1) In MAC Mail I am able to have a single view of the combined emails coming 
into my several accounts, but so far, in SeaMonkey I se all mail organized 
under the domain.  That means I get a separate lin with Emails (Read messages, 
Compose) , Accounts (View Settings, Create new)  and Advanced (search, 
manage.)

Is there any way to have all messages appear together wihout having to click 
each account?   I researched and found that you have a global inbox,
but this option ONLY seems available for account creation.

Online, someone said around 2010

 "mail in the same box, do this:
Edit | Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings | Server Settings (for each of 
your five accounts) | "Advanced" button, choose "Global Inbox (Local 
Folders Account)."


but as far as I can see this option is not in SeaMonkey now.

Mozilla help is confusing as it is mostly about Thunderbird.

Any easy ways?  The option to create a local inbox (global inbox) when creating 
the account was not clear, but I would like to do it after the fact if possible.


2)  The order of my folders within each account just seems to have changed.  
Before it was INBOX, followed by drafts, send messages, etc.
Now these appear at the bottom in reverese order.  Must be something I clicked, 
but where?  now it has gone back.  But not sure why or how.

3) Anyway to get the first pane (FOLDER pane)to show larger fonts?

Thank you!
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[tokyoprogressive]

Thanks to all. I successfully used allowing non secure email clients. It was a 
chore to find it, but it worked well.


About my address being visible, I am surprised. I administer a mailman list but 
it makes the addresses incomplete looking like this:  tokyopro...@mailbox.org.

In fact, I see that in  the archives, though I am not sure why the list is 
forwarding to gmail for archives rather than using mailman.

Anyway, it is working.

Thanks.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

El 10/03/16 a las 15:24, Jonathan N. Little escribió:

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve
email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I
have the most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in
fact, gmail does not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be
another reason for that message, or what.



When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the
webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable
"less secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client
security but more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome
and webmail interface.


Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.



What protocol?  Currently using SSL/StartTLS, do you mean TLS 1.0? IIRC 
Mozilla tried disabling it by default, but it broke too many websites so 
folk could do things like online banking... Or is this some special 
protocol where Chrome takes a DNS sample? ;-)


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[Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez]

El 10/03/16 a las 15:24, Jonathan N. Little escribió:
> tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:
>> I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
>> through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
>> telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve
>> email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I
>> have the most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in
>> fact, gmail does not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be
>> another reason for that message, or what.
>>
> 
> When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the
> webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable
> "less secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client
> security but more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome
> and webmail interface.

Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you for these answers.  Did not realize we can post from Google
Groups to MAILMAN (how did you do that. My account names are
different too). I will have to try that...setting gmail to accept a
less secure client.

BTW, I just got spam addressed to be quoting my message, even though
my full address does bot show up here How did they figure that out?


Not sure which address you mean, but they're both clearly visible to me.

There's one in the domain , and one in the domain 
. I won't help the spambots by quoting them in full, but you 
might consider munging your address as I and many others do when posting 
to newsgroups. A human can take one look at my munged address and see 
how to convert it to the correct one, but a spambot just copies it 
mindlessly and gets a bounce.


Alternately, you could use a so-called "burner email" -- one that you'll 
discard as soon as the spambots catch on.


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[tokyoprogressive]

Thank you for these answers.  Did not realize we can post from Google Groups to 
MAILMAN (how did you do that. My account names are different too). I will have 
to try that...settimg gmail to accept a less secure client.

BTW, I just got spam addressed to be quoting my message, even though my full 
address does bot show up here How did they figure that out?

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:


Hi

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve email from this
application because it was not an up-to-date one. I have the most
recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in fact, gmail does
not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be another reason for
that message, or what.

If true, and since I want to get away from OSX Mail due to its own
bugs in getting duplicates of gmail messages, it seems I may be
forced to have gmail forward new mail to my mailbox.org account.

Your advice welcomed.


"Hard to say..." ;-)

Can't speak for the Mac side, but I've been using various PC versions of 
SM for years to retrieve Gmail without difficulty or complaint from 
Google. Gmail does have a setting (accessible through their webmail) to 
enable POP mail downloads, but if you haven't forgotten to do that, you 
should have no problem.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Jonathan N. Little]

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:

Hi

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone through. I tried 
to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail telling me they blocked the 
attempt to retrieve
email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I have the 
most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in fact, gmail does not 
play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be another reason for that message, or 
what.

If true, and since I want to get away from OSX Mail due to its own bugs in 
getting duplicates of gmail messages, it seems I may be forced to have gmail 
forward new mail to my mailbox.org account.

Your advice welcomed.


When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the 
webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable "less 
secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client security but 
more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome and webmail 
interface.



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Re: Gmail

[WaltS48]

On 11/28/2015 03:24 PM, S Slicer wrote:

S Slicer wrote:

Mike lewis wrote:

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email
accounts,
and newsgroup accounts work fine.


Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?


Waiting for reply.


This reply?



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Re: Gmail

[S Slicer]

S Slicer wrote:

Mike lewis wrote:

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email
accounts,
and newsgroup accounts work fine.


Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?


Waiting for reply.
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Re: Gmail

[Ed Mullen]

Mike lewis wrote on 11/27/2015 11:32 PM:

Mike lewis wrote:

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email

accounts,

and newsgroup accounts work fine.


Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?



IMAP



Check your settings.

https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/1668960?hl=en#ts=1665018

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Re: Gmail

[S Slicer]

Mike lewis wrote:

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email accounts,
and newsgroup accounts work fine.


Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?

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Re: GMail ignores SM "leave messages..." setting

[GerardJan]

Ray_Net wrote:

MCBastos wrote, On 07/12/2012 02:00:

Interviewed by CNN on 06/12/2012 19:57, Ray_Net told the world:


If it's better imap than pop ... i prefer to go on the web interface
directly into gmail :-)

That is an option if...

a) You don't hate webmail with a passion
b) You have just one account to check.


This is why i use pop.
and i use https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#settings/fwdandpop for
deleting or not on the gmail server.


I read email en news with imap en do sendmail with smtp

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Re: GMail ignores SM "leave messages..." setting

[Ray_Net]

MCBastos wrote, On 07/12/2012 02:00:

Interviewed by CNN on 06/12/2012 19:57, Ray_Net told the world:


If it's better imap than pop ... i prefer to go on the web interface
directly into gmail :-)

That is an option if...

a) You don't hate webmail with a passion
b) You have just one account to check.


This is why i use pop.
and i use https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#settings/fwdandpop for 
deleting or not on the gmail server.

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Re: GMail ignores SM "leave messages..." setting

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 06/12/2012 19:57, Ray_Net told the world:

> If it's better imap than pop ... i prefer to go on the web interface 
> directly into gmail :-)

That is an option if...

a) You don't hate webmail with a passion
b) You have just one account to check.

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Re: GMail ignores SM "leave messages..." setting

[Ray_Net]

MCBastos wrote, On 06/12/2012 14:50:

Interviewed by CNN on 06/12/2012 06:36, Geoff Welsh told the world:

I just discovered a very big problem, and it's not new.
It's regarding, using POP Gmail, and the Server Settings in SM Mail,
regarding whether to leave messages on the server, or not, or for how long.

I have two different Mac's
Old:  OSX 10.4.6 SM2.0.13
Newer:  OSX 10.6.8 SM2.14.1

On the old machine, regardless of which setting I pick, it deletes
everything from Gmail server (went via web and looked)

On the new machine, regardless of which setting I pick, it deletes
nothing from Gmail server (went via web and looked)

Can't be just me?  It's two different machines, and both also access a
RR.com server and that server does what SM tells it to do

So, anybody else on Mac seeing this?

Well, by default Gmail does *not* delete messages after POP downloading,
only "fakes" deleting as far as the POP client is concerned.

If you wish Gmail to actually delete the downloaded messages, you have
to set a Gmail option accordingly:



(Personally, I think IMAP is a much better option for working with Gmail
-- folders map to tags, you have access to the "spam" folder, you can
have the same messages available in various devices. And with 10Gb of
capacity, most people shouldn't have a problem overfilling the mailbox.
But to each his own.)

If it's better imap than pop ... i prefer to go on the web interface 
directly into gmail :-)

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Re: GMail ignores SM "leave messages..." setting

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 06/12/2012 06:36, Geoff Welsh told the world:
> I just discovered a very big problem, and it's not new.
> It's regarding, using POP Gmail, and the Server Settings in SM Mail, 
> regarding whether to leave messages on the server, or not, or for how long.
> 
> I have two different Mac's
> Old:  OSX 10.4.6 SM2.0.13
> Newer:  OSX 10.6.8 SM2.14.1
> 
> On the old machine, regardless of which setting I pick, it deletes 
> everything from Gmail server (went via web and looked)
> 
> On the new machine, regardless of which setting I pick, it deletes 
> nothing from Gmail server (went via web and looked)
> 
> Can't be just me?  It's two different machines, and both also access a 
> RR.com server and that server does what SM tells it to do
> 
> So, anybody else on Mac seeing this?

Well, by default Gmail does *not* delete messages after POP downloading,
only "fakes" deleting as far as the POP client is concerned.

If you wish Gmail to actually delete the downloaded messages, you have
to set a Gmail option accordingly:



(Personally, I think IMAP is a much better option for working with Gmail
-- folders map to tags, you have access to the "spam" folder, you can
have the same messages available in various devices. And with 10Gb of
capacity, most people shouldn't have a problem overfilling the mailbox.
But to each his own.)

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Roger Fink]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Jim Taylor wrote:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> Jim Taylor wrote:
 Ed Mullen wrote:
> A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she
> and her husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on
> an Acer tablet, okay on W7 systems.
>
> I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no
> good.
>
> I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.
>
> Tried Safe Mode, no go.
>
> Any ideas?
>
 I just tested and have no problems accessing Gmail on my XP system.
 "Can't access Gmail" isn't really much of a description of the
 problem. What are the exact symptoms - don't get the sign in
 screen?  Get the sign in screen and can't sign in?  If so what
 message (password incorrect?  clear stored passwords).  Get signed
 in but don't get the mailbox.  It's difficult to diagnose a
 problem without knowing the symptoms.

 --.
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>>>
>>> Gmail site just sits there and spins, no reply from Gmail, I gave up
>>> waiting for it to time out.
>>>
>> This doesn't sound like a SeaMonkey problem, can they access it from
>> IE?  Is that machine using the same DNS servers as the ones that can
>> connect?  Can you connect by IP ( http://74.125.225.54/mail )?
>> Interestingly July 9 was when the FBI was supposed to shut down the
>> DNSChanger malware servers so if that's when it quit working I would
>> check to make sure it isn't infected with the DNSChanger malware.
>
> Notes:
>
> 1.  XP PC regular profile doesn't work, Try to log into gmail and it
> sits forever trying to load the page.
>
> 2.  regular profile in Safe Mode, same thing
>
> 3.  regular profile all plugins and extensions disabled, same thing.
> Deleted and allow all google cookies did not help.
>
> 4.  New profile works fine
>
> 5.  DNS is fine
>
> Still no idea what is up with my friends' PCs nor why my wife's XP SM
> profile wouldn't work.   I migrated all her stuff to a new profile.
> They wouldn't be able to migrate their profiles on their own so it'll
> have to wait until I can remote into their systems.

I access g-mail from Firefox running on XP, and what you describe 
occasionally happens to me. Try disabling javascript for the log-in (with 
prefbar you can do this on the gui). 


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[Ed Mullen]

Jim Taylor wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and
her husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer
tablet, okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no
good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


I just tested and have no problems accessing Gmail on my XP system.
"Can't access Gmail" isn't really much of a description of the problem.
What are the exact symptoms - don't get the sign in screen?  Get the
sign in screen and can't sign in?  If so what message (password
incorrect?  clear stored passwords).  Get signed in but don't get the
mailbox.  It's difficult to diagnose a problem without knowing the
symptoms.

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Gmail site just sits there and spins, no reply from Gmail, I gave up
waiting for it to time out.


This doesn't sound like a SeaMonkey problem, can they access it from
IE?  Is that machine using the same DNS servers as the ones that can
connect?  Can you connect by IP ( http://74.125.225.54/mail )?
Interestingly July 9 was when the FBI was supposed to shut down the
DNSChanger malware servers so if that's when it quit working I would
check to make sure it isn't infected with the DNSChanger malware.


Notes:

1.  XP PC regular profile doesn't work, Try to log into gmail and it 
sits forever trying to load the page.


2.  regular profile in Safe Mode, same thing

3.  regular profile all plugins and extensions disabled, same thing. 
Deleted and allow all google cookies did not help.


4.  New profile works fine

5.  DNS is fine

Still no idea what is up with my friends' PCs nor why my wife's XP SM 
profile wouldn't work.   I migrated all her stuff to a new profile. 
They wouldn't be able to migrate their profiles on their own so it'll 
have to wait until I can remote into their systems.


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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Jim Taylor]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and
her husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer
tablet, okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no
good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


I just tested and have no problems accessing Gmail on my XP system.
"Can't access Gmail" isn't really much of a description of the problem.
What are the exact symptoms - don't get the sign in screen?  Get the
sign in screen and can't sign in?  If so what message (password
incorrect?  clear stored passwords).  Get signed in but don't get the
mailbox.  It's difficult to diagnose a problem without knowing the
symptoms.

--.
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Gmail site just sits there and spins, no reply from Gmail, I gave up
waiting for it to time out.

This doesn't sound like a SeaMonkey problem, can they access it from 
IE?  Is that machine using the same DNS servers as the ones that can 
connect?  Can you connect by IP ( http://74.125.225.54/mail )? 
Interestingly July 9 was when the FBI was supposed to shut down the 
DNSChanger malware servers so if that's when it quit working I would 
check to make sure it isn't infected with the DNSChanger malware.


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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Ed Mullen]

rob wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:03:49 -0400, Ed Mullen  wrote:


A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


If it helps, when I'm logged in (XP), it sets cookies from
google.com
gmail.google.com
accounts.google.com
youtube.com

Tried a new profile?



As I said, cleared all cookies, allow all cookies.  Not the issue.

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[cyberzen]

J. Weaver Jr. a écrit :

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.


Working for me with XP SP3 and SM 2.10.1.  -JW


same for me
OK in the browser

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[J. Weaver Jr.]

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.


Working for me with XP SP3 and SM 2.10.1.  -JW
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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Ed Mullen]

Jim Taylor wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and
her husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer
tablet, okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


I just tested and have no problems accessing Gmail on my XP system.
"Can't access Gmail" isn't really much of a description of the problem.
What are the exact symptoms - don't get the sign in screen?  Get the
sign in screen and can't sign in?  If so what message (password
incorrect?  clear stored passwords).  Get signed in but don't get the
mailbox.  It's difficult to diagnose a problem without knowing the
symptoms.

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Jim Taylor]

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and
her husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer
tablet, okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?

I just tested and have no problems accessing Gmail on my XP system. 
"Can't access Gmail" isn't really much of a description of the 
problem.  What are the exact symptoms - don't get the sign in screen? 
 Get the sign in screen and can't sign in?  If so what message 
(password incorrect?  clear stored passwords).  Get signed in but 
don't get the mailbox.  It's difficult to diagnose a problem without 
knowing the symptoms.


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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Ed Mullen]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:


never had any trouble with the IMAP and SMTP interfaces to Gmail.


Perhaps they are trying to access the gmail website with their browser.
Hence, the mention of cookies, etc.


Exactly.



Ed, have you tried browser spoofing as Windows 7 (on the XP box)? Maybe
use this?

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1)



I'll give that a try when I can.  Thanks!

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Ed Mullen]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:


A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


Please clarify whether you're using browser or email client (name and
version?), specific settings and procedure.

Note that you can't download POP mail from Gmail until you enable that
feature in the Gmail settings (it's disabled by default).



All browser-based, hence the mention of cookies.

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ed Mullen wrote:


A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


Please clarify whether you're using browser or email client (name and 
version?), specific settings and procedure.


Note that you can't download POP mail from Gmail until you enable that 
feature in the Gmail settings (it's disabled by default).


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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

> never had any trouble with the IMAP and SMTP interfaces to Gmail.

Perhaps they are trying to access the gmail website with their browser. 
Hence, the mention of cookies, etc.

Ed, have you tried browser spoofing as Windows 7 (on the XP box)? Maybe 
use this?

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1)

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Philip TAYLOR]

No longer have an XP system on which to test, but I did
have for many years and never had any trouble with the
IMAP and SMTP interfaces to Gmail.

Check that the security settings and port are correct.

Philip Taylor

Ed Mullen wrote:


A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?



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Re: gmail ...

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Interviewed by CNN on 28/02/2012 23:38, NoOp told the world:

> Doesn't work. I just set it in the IMAP account for 500KB and it still
> downloads the entire 2.5MB attachment when you click on the msg header.

Yeah, it seems to be a bug in the Mozilla implementation (the standard
DOES support deferring downloading attachments). But, even with this
bug, IMAP still solves my particular needs better than POP. For instance...

- When reading email from my cellphone, it won't download the
attachments (the mail client in my phone does not have this bug). Since
it won't store messages locally, I don't have to worry about limited
storage.
- When using Portable Seamonkey "on the road," I don't have to
re-download weeks of messages I have already read at home -- it will
fetch just the headers, nicely tagged as "already read" even. And I can
filter a lot from the headers alone.

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Re: gmail ...

[NoOp]

On 02/28/2012 06:33 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 02/28/2012 06:05 PM, MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 28/02/2012 21:24, NoOp told the world:
>> 
>>> You don't run the "risk of downloading 20mb attachments by accident"
>>> with POP if you have your settings properly set. On the other hand, I
>>> see no options to configure IMAP on SeaMonkey to: 1) fetch only headers,
>>> and 2) limit download size. I do however have these options for a POP
>>> account:
>> 
>> Option 1 is not available because that's the standard behavior of IMAP.
>> IMAP will ALWAYS download only the headers initially, and the message
>> body only when actually opening the message. The whole point of IMAP is
>> keeping the message stored on the server, so it doesn't "prefetch" messages.
>> 
>>> I note that setting isn't available for an IMAP account - I wonder why
>>> as I have a greater chance of downloading attachments automatically
>>> without it... particularly since the option below also isn't available
>>> in IMAP settings.
>>> 
>>> Edit|Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings||To save disk space, do
>>> not download: x Messages larger than __ KB
>> 
>> Well, since email in IMAP is only *temporarily* stored on local disk,
>> the "save disk space" justification is just not there. But...
> 
> Found it:
> 
> Edit|Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings||Synchronization &
> Storage|Disk Space: Don't download: x Messages larger than __ KB

Doesn't work. I just set it in the IMAP account for 500KB and it still
downloads the entire 2.5MB attachment when you click on the msg header.

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Re: gmail ...

[NoOp]

On 02/28/2012 06:05 PM, MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 28/02/2012 21:24, NoOp told the world:
> 
>> You don't run the "risk of downloading 20mb attachments by accident"
>> with POP if you have your settings properly set. On the other hand, I
>> see no options to configure IMAP on SeaMonkey to: 1) fetch only headers,
>> and 2) limit download size. I do however have these options for a POP
>> account:
> 
> Option 1 is not available because that's the standard behavior of IMAP.
> IMAP will ALWAYS download only the headers initially, and the message
> body only when actually opening the message. The whole point of IMAP is
> keeping the message stored on the server, so it doesn't "prefetch" messages.
> 
>> I note that setting isn't available for an IMAP account - I wonder why
>> as I have a greater chance of downloading attachments automatically
>> without it... particularly since the option below also isn't available
>> in IMAP settings.
>> 
>> Edit|Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings||To save disk space, do
>> not download: x Messages larger than __ KB
> 
> Well, since email in IMAP is only *temporarily* stored on local disk,
> the "save disk space" justification is just not there. But...

Found it:

Edit|Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings||Synchronization &
Storage|Disk Space: Don't download: x Messages larger than __ KB

Odd that it's in a different menu than POP (Edit|Mail & Newsgroups
Account Settings||Disk Space). I guess it was easier to replace
'Disk Space' with the 'Sync' menu & then do a "oh and by the way": Disk
Space: Don't download: x Messages larger than __ KB.

> 
>> I note that setting isn't available for an IMAP account. I just sent a
>> msg with a 2.5MB attachment from my POP account to one of my IMAP
>> accounts... the POP account is set to not download msgs larger than
>> 300KB, so it shows me the first part of the msg and I need to click to
>> download the rest. On the IMAP account, as soon as I click the msg
>> header it just automatically downloaded the entire 2.5MB msg.
>> 
>> Given the above, I'm confused about your comments regarding IMAP v POP.
>> Is there a setting that I missed in the IMAP section?
> 
> No, you are right in that Seamonkey does fetch the attachments when the
> message is opened. I *thought* that it would fetch only the message
> body, leaving the attachment to be manually requested. I tested, and
> noticed that yes, the (undesirable) behavior you described was
> happening. So I went to Google to figure it out.
> 
> There's a pretty complete writeup of the issue here:
> 
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Entire_message_fetched_when_opening_a_IMAP_message

Thanks for that (and your comments/testing), this helps to clarify the
'not so subtle' differences between the two.

Gary

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Re: gmail ...

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 28/02/2012 21:24, NoOp told the world:

> You don't run the "risk of downloading 20mb attachments by accident"
> with POP if you have your settings properly set. On the other hand, I
> see no options to configure IMAP on SeaMonkey to: 1) fetch only headers,
> and 2) limit download size. I do however have these options for a POP
> account:

Option 1 is not available because that's the standard behavior of IMAP.
IMAP will ALWAYS download only the headers initially, and the message
body only when actually opening the message. The whole point of IMAP is
keeping the message stored on the server, so it doesn't "prefetch" messages.

> I note that setting isn't available for an IMAP account - I wonder why
> as I have a greater chance of downloading attachments automatically
> without it... particularly since the option below also isn't available
> in IMAP settings.
> 
> Edit|Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings||To save disk space, do
> not download: x Messages larger than __ KB

Well, since email in IMAP is only *temporarily* stored on local disk,
the "save disk space" justification is just not there. But...

> I note that setting isn't available for an IMAP account. I just sent a
> msg with a 2.5MB attachment from my POP account to one of my IMAP
> accounts... the POP account is set to not download msgs larger than
> 300KB, so it shows me the first part of the msg and I need to click to
> download the rest. On the IMAP account, as soon as I click the msg
> header it just automatically downloaded the entire 2.5MB msg.
> 
> Given the above, I'm confused about your comments regarding IMAP v POP.
> Is there a setting that I missed in the IMAP section?

No, you are right in that Seamonkey does fetch the attachments when the
message is opened. I *thought* that it would fetch only the message
body, leaving the attachment to be manually requested. I tested, and
noticed that yes, the (undesirable) behavior you described was
happening. So I went to Google to figure it out.

There's a pretty complete writeup of the issue here:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Entire_message_fetched_when_opening_a_IMAP_message

Summarizing:

Yes, there are a few settings to fine-tune IMAP behavior. But they are
hidden in about:config. The default values should work, though.

By default, Thunderbird/Seamonkey will fetch only the headers, then the
message body on message open, and then the attachments on request (that
is, if you try to open/save the attachment). However, it will get the
entire message (on message opening) if any of the following conditions
is true:
- If the IMAP folder is set to be locally cached;
- If the attachments are rendered by the mail reader itself (like
images, or TXT attachments)
- If the junk mail controls are active for the account (because
Seamonkey will fetch the entire message to be analyzed).


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Re: gmail ...

[NoOp]

On 02/16/2012 03:15 PM, MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 16/02/2012 20:07, hawker told the world:
> 
>> There are plenty of valid reasons to use POP over IMAP, especially if 
>> you have a limited bandwidth connection (such as cell phone).  I have 
>> some of my e-mail accounts IMAP, and some POP. There are valid reasons 
>> why I use both and different ones for different accounts.
> 
> Actually, for limited bandwidth IMAP is a rather good choice, since you
> don't run the risk of downloading 20mb attachments by accident. You
> don't even have to download the message *body* if you know from the
> header that it can wait until you are somewhere with better/unlimited
> bandwidth.
> 

You don't run the "risk of downloading 20mb attachments by accident"
with POP if you have your settings properly set. On the other hand, I
see no options to configure IMAP on SeaMonkey to: 1) fetch only headers,
and 2) limit download size. I do however have these options for a POP
account:

Edit|Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings||Fetch headers only

I note that setting isn't available for an IMAP account - I wonder why
as I have a greater chance of downloading attachments automatically
without it... particularly since the option below also isn't available
in IMAP settings.

Edit|Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings||To save disk space, do
not download: x Messages larger than __ KB

I note that setting isn't available for an IMAP account. I just sent a
msg with a 2.5MB attachment from my POP account to one of my IMAP
accounts... the POP account is set to not download msgs larger than
300KB, so it shows me the first part of the msg and I need to click to
download the rest. On the IMAP account, as soon as I click the msg
header it just automatically downloaded the entire 2.5MB msg.

Given the above, I'm confused about your comments regarding IMAP v POP.
Is there a setting that I missed in the IMAP section?


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Re: gmail ...

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 28/02/2012 16:13, Axel Grude told the world:

> I also noticed that IMAP is rather fragile on my (also slow) connection when 
> I do bulk 
> operations such as moving (more than 10) emails. POP never crashed 
> Thunderbird as a 
> side effect of moving mail. I think there is some stuff still programmed 
> synchronously 
> which doesn't matter when you have super-fast broadband (and / or leave 
> everything in 
> your inbox).

Well, since IMAP storage is remote, any maintenance operations will be
impacted by the link. POP storage is local, so maintenance can be
performed even offline.

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Re: gmail ...

[Axel Grude]

On 17/02/12 00:36, JAS wrote:

km wrote:

... i am trying to setup gmail. aNY  help???


POP Mail Server
pop.gmail.com
port 995
user name same as account name
ssl/tls
normal passwork


you also might have to enable POP access in the gmail web interface.
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Re: gmail ...

[Axel Grude]

On 17/02/12 16:51, hawker wrote:

On 2/16/2012 6:15 PM, MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 16/02/2012 20:07, hawker told the world:


There are plenty of valid reasons to use POP over IMAP, especially if
you have a limited bandwidth connection (such as cell phone). I have
some of my e-mail accounts IMAP, and some POP. There are valid reasons
why I use both and different ones for different accounts.


Actually, for limited bandwidth IMAP is a rather good choice, since you
don't run the risk of downloading 20mb attachments by accident. You
don't even have to download the message *body* if you know from the
header that it can wait until you are somewhere with better/unlimited
bandwidth.



I suppose for some accounts that could be true. For my work account on my phone 
I have
it set to not download any attachment over 50k unless I say. POP downloads 
anything
new and takes a few seconds to check the account (on thing to check, only new 
files I
have not downloaded). IMAP must check though all the folders on the IMAP 
account and
so take around 90 seconds for my work account. It must also sync up anything 
that has
changed and that I have done locally which takes another 30-120 seconds.

I also noticed that IMAP is rather fragile on my (also slow) connection when I do bulk 
operations such as moving (more than 10) emails. POP never crashed Thunderbird as a 
side effect of moving mail. I think there is some stuff still programmed synchronously 
which doesn't matter when you have super-fast broadband (and / or leave everything in 
your inbox).


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Re: gmail ...

[hawker]

On 2/16/2012 6:15 PM, MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 16/02/2012 20:07, hawker told the world:


There are plenty of valid reasons to use POP over IMAP, especially if
you have a limited bandwidth connection (such as cell phone).  I have
some of my e-mail accounts IMAP, and some POP. There are valid reasons
why I use both and different ones for different accounts.


Actually, for limited bandwidth IMAP is a rather good choice, since you
don't run the risk of downloading 20mb attachments by accident. You
don't even have to download the message *body* if you know from the
header that it can wait until you are somewhere with better/unlimited
bandwidth.



I suppose for some accounts that could be true. For my work account on 
my phone I have it set to not download any attachment over 50k unless I 
say. POP downloads anything new and takes a few seconds to check the 
account (on thing to check, only new files I have not downloaded). IMAP 
must check though all the folders on the IMAP account and so take around 
90 seconds for my work account. It must also sync up anything that has 
changed and that I have done locally which takes another 30-120 seconds.


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Re: gmail ...

[Jim Taylor]

km wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



km wrote:


... i am trying to setup gmail. aNY help???


Imap.Gmail.Com


^ i use pop.gmail.com

Port 993
SSL/TLS
Normal password

That's about it really, apart from the "Advanced"
IMAP Server directory :

[Google Mail]

Philip Taylor




I use POP for Gmail:

Server Name pop.gmail.comPort: 995
User Name - your user name
Connection Security:  SSL/TSL
Authentication method: Normal password

Should be all you need. It will prompt for password when you connect.

Jim

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Re: gmail ...

[JAS]

km wrote:
> ... i am trying to setup gmail. aNY  help???
>
POP Mail Server   
pop.gmail.com
port 995
user name same as account name
ssl/tls
normal passwork

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Re: gmail ...

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 16/02/2012 20:07, hawker told the world:

> There are plenty of valid reasons to use POP over IMAP, especially if 
> you have a limited bandwidth connection (such as cell phone).  I have 
> some of my e-mail accounts IMAP, and some POP. There are valid reasons 
> why I use both and different ones for different accounts.

Actually, for limited bandwidth IMAP is a rather good choice, since you
don't run the risk of downloading 20mb attachments by accident. You
don't even have to download the message *body* if you know from the
header that it can wait until you are somewhere with better/unlimited
bandwidth.

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Re: gmail ...

[hawker]

On 2/16/2012 5:19 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:



hawker wrote:


That is a non answer. The OP wants POP not IMAP.


If you able to help Kevin, then please do so,m as I tried
to do with IMAP. Debates over the relative merits of POP v. IMAP are not
going tp help him one iota.

Philip Taylor


Well he asked for POP and you said "use IMAP" which I thought was not a 
good response. I don't use GMAIL so I'm even more worthless. That said 
googling seems to find how to do this easily.


http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287
http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13273
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Re: gmail ...

[Philip TAYLOR]

hawker wrote:


That is a non answer. The OP wants POP not IMAP.


If you able to help Kevin, then please do so,m as I tried
to do with IMAP.  Debates over the relative merits of POP v. 
IMAP are not going tp help him one iota.


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Re: gmail ...

[hawker]

On 2/16/2012 4:44 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:



km wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



km wrote:


... i am trying to setup gmail. aNY help???


Imap.Gmail.Com


^ i use pop.gmail.com


So, try IMAP : what do you have to lose ?
Philip Taylor


That is a non answer. The OP wants POP not IMAP.

There are plenty of valid reasons to use POP over IMAP, especially if 
you have a limited bandwidth connection (such as cell phone).  I have 
some of my e-mail accounts IMAP, and some POP. There are valid reasons 
why I use both and different ones for different accounts.



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Re: gmail ...

[Philip TAYLOR]

km wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



km wrote:


... i am trying to setup gmail. aNY help???


Imap.Gmail.Com


^ i use pop.gmail.com


So, try IMAP : what do you have to lose ?
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Re: gmail ...

[km]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



km wrote:


... i am trying to setup gmail. aNY help???


Imap.Gmail.Com


^ i use  pop.gmail.com

Port 993
SSL/TLS
Normal password

That's about it really, apart from the "Advanced"
IMAP Server directory :

[Google Mail]

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Re: gmail ...

[km]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:



km wrote:


... i am trying to setup gmail. aNY help???


Imap.Gmail.Com


^ i use  pop.gmail.com

Port 993
SSL/TLS
Normal password

That's about it really, apart from the "Advanced"
IMAP Server directory :

[Google Mail]

Philip Taylor



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Re: gmail ...

[Philip TAYLOR]

km wrote:


... i am trying to setup gmail. aNY help???


Imap.Gmail.Com
Port 993
SSL/TLS
Normal password

That's about it really, apart from the "Advanced"
IMAP Server directory :

[Google Mail]

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Re: Gmail, filters and archives (All Mail)

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Interviewed by CNN on 18/5/2010 17:48, Stanimir Stamenkov told the world:
> I've recently subscribed to a mailing list using my Gmail account 
> address.  I've configured Gmail using IMAP in SeaMonkey and I've 
> setup a filter so any messages sent to the list get moved to a local 
> folder (which has a limited time retention policy).  I don't really 
> want these messages kept on the server but I've noticed they don't 
> quite get deleted after being moved to a local folder.  They can 
> still be accessed through the "All Mail" archives folder and I need 
> to manually select them in there, delete (move to the "Trash" 
> folder) and then empty the trash to get rid of them completely off 
> the server.  Deleting them bypassing the "Trash" folder using 
> Shift+Delete also doesn't seem to remove them from the server - they 
> reappear after I navigate back and forth to the "All Mail" folder.
> 
> So my question is whether I can setup a filter which gets rid of the 
> messages from the Gmail server completely after they get moved to a 
> local folder?
> 
Here's the thing: Gmail does not really work in accordance to the POP3
and IMAP4 protocols. It does its own thing, and kinda "simulates" POP
and IMAP.
Part of "doing its own thing" is that Gmail does not like deleting
stuff. When you think you have deleted it from the IMAP interface, it
actually "archives" it.
Some things are possible only from the Web interface. I strongly suspect
that really-deleting messages is one of them.

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Martin F. wrote:

Jeffrey Needle schrieb:

I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look. It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe you want to try and use Seamonkeys built-in Mail-part for gmail
then? (and any other email-provider you might be using)
It's kinda similar in usage concerning folders etc.

Window => Mail&Newsgroups or press Ctrl+2
Create a new account with the new account wizard using this data:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=13287
And don't forget to make sure that POP or IMAP is enabled in your google
mail account.

For IMAP instead of POP3:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=78799
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=78892

I guess it's easier for you to setup POP, but IMAP offers you to have
all mails synchronized in SM and in the webmail interface at any time,
so decide what you need/prefer. :-)
regards

Martin


Yes, I use SM's mail client for my gmail account. I was looking for a
way to read my gmail on the server and not download anything. I hate
gmail's native interface.


So use IMAP and choose "leave mail on server until I move or delete it."
To read it you have to download it, your choices are POP, IMAP, or HTML.
But you don't have to keep it, allowing you to read from several
machines without losing the mail.



That's not where the problem is.  There's too much handling to do -- 
especially when a thread has gone on for a while, and you have to figure 
out if you've read the entries in the thread or not.  And so much 
monkeying around with the message list.


Nah, I'll stay with the POP server and continue to download the posts to SM.

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Bill Davidsen]

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Martin F. wrote:

Jeffrey Needle schrieb:

I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look. It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe you want to try and use Seamonkeys built-in Mail-part for gmail
then? (and any other email-provider you might be using)
It's kinda similar in usage concerning folders etc.

Window => Mail&Newsgroups or press Ctrl+2
Create a new account with the new account wizard using this data:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=13287
And don't forget to make sure that POP or IMAP is enabled in your google
mail account.

For IMAP instead of POP3:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=78799
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=78892

I guess it's easier for you to setup POP, but IMAP offers you to have
all mails synchronized in SM and in the webmail interface at any time,
so decide what you need/prefer. :-)
regards

Martin


Yes, I use SM's mail client for my gmail account.  I was looking for a 
way to read my gmail on the server and not download anything.  I hate 
gmail's native interface.


So use IMAP and choose "leave mail on server until I move or delete it." To read 
it you have to download it, your choices are POP, IMAP, or HTML. But you don't 
have to keep it, allowing you to read from several machines without losing the mail.


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Martin F. wrote:

Jeffrey Needle schrieb:

I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look. It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe you want to try and use Seamonkeys built-in Mail-part for gmail
then? (and any other email-provider you might be using)
It's kinda similar in usage concerning folders etc.

Window => Mail&Newsgroups or press Ctrl+2
Create a new account with the new account wizard using this data:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=13287
And don't forget to make sure that POP or IMAP is enabled in your google
mail account.

For IMAP instead of POP3:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=78799
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=78892

I guess it's easier for you to setup POP, but IMAP offers you to have
all mails synchronized in SM and in the webmail interface at any time,
so decide what you need/prefer. :-)
regards

Martin


Yes, I use SM's mail client for my gmail account.  I was looking for a 
way to read my gmail on the server and not download anything.  I hate 
gmail's native interface.


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Martin F.]

Jeffrey Needle schrieb:

I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look. It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe you want to try and use Seamonkeys built-in Mail-part for gmail 
then? (and any other email-provider you might be using)

It's kinda similar in usage concerning folders etc.

Window => Mail&Newsgroups or press Ctrl+2
Create a new account with the new account wizard using this data:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=13287
And don't forget to make sure that POP or IMAP is enabled in your google 
mail account.


For IMAP instead of POP3:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=78799
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=de&answer=78892

I guess it's easier for you to setup POP, but IMAP offers you to have 
all mails synchronized in SM and in the webmail interface at any time, 
so decide what you need/prefer. :-)

regards

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Bill Davidsen]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

BJ wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

/snip/



But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so
why is it singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail
using IMPA (don't know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon,
or AT&T, or any other server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out.



GMail does indeed offer both POP3 and IMAP for use in mail clients.

I think that is the misunderstanding. The webmail interface for GMail is 
charitably described as "clunky".  I would describe it as unusable.


No, I have had to use it once or twice on the road, and clunky it is. But why 
would anyone do that with SM? Using Gmail from the browser interface is just the 
wrong thing to do. :-(


The only reason I can use GMail is to use it in SeaMonkey Mail/News as 
an IMAP account.  There it behaves just like any other IMAP account.


The POP version also behaves like any other POP account.

I think we are comaring the Web interface with the Mail client interface.




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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Leonidas Jones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

BJ wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

/snip/



But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so
why is it singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail
using IMPA (don't know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon,
or AT&T, or any other server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out.



GMail does indeed offer both POP3 and IMAP for use in mail clients.

I think that is the misunderstanding. The webmail interface for GMail is 
charitably described as "clunky".  I would describe it as unusable.


The only reason I can use GMail is to use it in SeaMonkey Mail/News as 
an IMAP account.  There it behaves just like any other IMAP account.


The POP version also behaves like any other POP account.

I think we are comaring the Web interface with the Mail client interface.

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Bill Davidsen]

BJ wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this 
for

Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if
it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to
use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll
report back when I have more specific information.


I don't understand what you mean by "Gmail's interface" being clunky. If
you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your
choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other?

While the OP may answer that anyway, it is a question of aesthetics, and 
thus very very subjective (I don't understand it either, but then I 
don't understand what's so special, and appealing to some, about modern 
art . . . hell, I wouldn't even know what "modern art" would be even if 
I was looking right at it).  You can't really crawl into someone's 
subjective reasoning.


So, one person's "clunky Gmail interface" can be another's "beautiful 
and efficient Gmail interface" (I wouldn't go so far myself to describe 
it as "beautiful", but it seems fine to me).


Will be interested to see the OP's answer.

But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so why is it 
singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail using IMPA (don't 
know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon, or AT&T, or any other 
server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out.


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[BJ]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if
it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to
use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll
report back when I have more specific information.


I don't understand what you mean by "Gmail's interface" being clunky. If
you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your
choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other?

While the OP may answer that anyway, it is a question of aesthetics, and 
thus very very subjective (I don't understand it either, but then I 
don't understand what's so special, and appealing to some, about modern 
art . . . hell, I wouldn't even know what "modern art" would be even if 
I was looking right at it).  You can't really crawl into someone's 
subjective reasoning.


So, one person's "clunky Gmail interface" can be another's "beautiful 
and efficient Gmail interface" (I wouldn't go so far myself to describe 
it as "beautiful", but it seems fine to me).


Will be interested to see the OP's answer.

BJ
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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Bill Davidsen]

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Unfortunately, no.  I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's 
good for me.  I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. 
 I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work.  I'll 
report back when I have more specific information.


I don't understand what you mean by "Gmail's interface" being clunky. If you 
don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your choice, but 
why do you find it any clunkier than any other?


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:42:53 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Responding again.  GTDInbox doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey, only
Firefox -- SM not mentioned.  I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look.  It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.

Maybe I'm just dreaming.


Well what I meant was: Which is this "absolutely beautiful add-on for
Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use" that you were
referring to?

Phil



It's the Better Gmail you mention.  It won't work with SM, as far as I 
can see.  When you try to download it, it advises you to download Firefox.


Maybe I'm missing something?  Maybe it can be made to work with SM?

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:42:53 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
> Philip Chee wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
>>> I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
>>> gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
>>> Seamonkey?
>>>
>>> Using SM2 on a WinXP system.
>>
>> There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
>> you be more specific?
>>
>> Phil
>>
> 
> Responding again.  GTDInbox doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey, only 
> Firefox -- SM not mentioned.  I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to 
> look a little like Outlook Express used to look.  It was simple moving 
> mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the 
> latest e-mail, not the whole thread.
> 
> Maybe I'm just dreaming.

Well what I meant was: Which is this "absolutely beautiful add-on for
Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use" that you were
referring to?

Phil

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Responding again.  GTDInbox doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey, only 
Firefox -- SM not mentioned.  I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to 
look a little like Outlook Express used to look.  It was simple moving 
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the 
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe I'm just dreaming.


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Unfortunately, no.  I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's 
good for me.  I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. 
 I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work.  I'll 
report back when I have more specific information.


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Philip Chee]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
> I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes 
> gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for 
> Seamonkey?
> 
> Using SM2 on a WinXP system.

There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil

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Re: GMAIL sends ok but not recieve

[Jordon]

Jordon wrote:

Totally new to SM. Just set it up yesterday.

I have several email accounts, most of which are POP.
I've set up a couple news servers and they're working
fine. Sending messages with all email accounts works
fine. The only trouble is getting gmail messages.
I'm pretty sure I set it up exactly like they were in
TB. I can see the messages are there in the browser.
But when I right-click the gmail account in the email
client and select Get messages for account, it chugs
along for a little while, and then nothing. No
messages. No errors. But the messages are still there
using the browser


Never mind. SSL wasn't checked. Duh.

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Re: Gmail in Standard view

[Martin Feitag]

David Weintraub schrieb:

Martin Feitag wrote:

David Weintraub schrieb:

Martin Feitag wrote:

David Weintraub schrieb:

All I have is the Loading in the upper Left and the view choice in
bottom right. The blue bar never gets to the end.


Is that happening with a new profile?
regards

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Yes same result with a different profile in Seamonkey.


You're out of luck then.
Either you have installed extension globally (into the Seamonkey
program directory instead of the profile directory) or some other
things blocks something.
If there are extension in the program directory a new
progra-installation may be required...
I wouldn't know what else to do, sry...

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Tried viewing gmail in an IE tab and opened in standard view with no
problem.


Using an IE tab is like viewing it directly in IE, that's not comparable 
at all, sry.


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Re: Gmail in Standard view

[David Weintraub]

Martin Feitag wrote:

David Weintraub schrieb:

Martin Feitag wrote:

David Weintraub schrieb:

All I have is the Loading in the upper Left and the view choice in
bottom right. The blue bar never gets to the end.


Is that happening with a new profile?
regards

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Yes same result with a different profile in Seamonkey.


You're out of luck then.
Either you have installed extension globally (into the Seamonkey 
program directory instead of the profile directory) or some other 
things blocks something.
If there are extension in the program directory a new 
progra-installation may be required...

I wouldn't know what else to do, sry...

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Tried viewing gmail in an IE tab and opened in standard view with no 
problem.


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Re: Gmail in Standard view

[Martin Feitag]

David Weintraub schrieb:

Martin Feitag wrote:

David Weintraub schrieb:

All I have is the Loading in the upper Left and the view choice in
bottom right. The blue bar never gets to the end.


Is that happening with a new profile?
regards

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Yes same result with a different profile in Seamonkey.


You're out of luck then.
Either you have installed extension globally (into the Seamonkey program 
directory instead of the profile directory) or some other things blocks 
something.
If there are extension in the program directory a new 
progra-installation may be required...

I wouldn't know what else to do, sry...

Martin
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Re: Gmail in Standard view

[David Weintraub]

Martin Feitag wrote:

David Weintraub schrieb:

All I have is the Loading in the upper Left and the view choice in
bottom right. The blue bar never gets to the end.


Is that happening with a new profile?
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Yes same result with a different profile in Seamonkey.

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Re: Gmail in Standard view

[Martin Feitag]

David Weintraub schrieb:

All I have is the Loading in the upper Left and the view choice in
bottom right. The blue bar never gets to the end.


Is that happening with a new profile?
regards

Martin
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Re: Gmail in Standard view

[David Weintraub]

Martin Feitag wrote:

David Weintraub schrieb:

Using Seamonkey 1.1.17 and can not open Gmail in standard view only
basic view. Works in Firefox 3.x.xx


Is that the link at the top right corner of the page between the 
settings and help? If yes, then I can switch between both views in 
SM1.1.17 without problems.

Although it feels slower than in Seamonkey 2.0alpha.
Maybe you want to try again in a (secondary) new profile...
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Martin

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All I have is the Loading in the upper Left and the view choice in
bottom right. The blue bar never gets to the end.

David

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Re: Gmail in Standard view

[Martin Feitag]

David Weintraub schrieb:

Using Seamonkey 1.1.17 and can not open Gmail in standard view only
basic view. Works in Firefox 3.x.xx


Is that the link at the top right corner of the page between the 
settings and help? If yes, then I can switch between both views in 
SM1.1.17 without problems.

Although it feels slower than in Seamonkey 2.0alpha.
Maybe you want to try again in a (secondary) new profile...
regards

Martin

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