Re: work updating from windows 7 to windows 10

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Actually, make sure WE does not start on the login screen or when 
Windows starts up.  I got into that loop with it.  In any case you may 
need to reinstall it.


On 5/1/2018 8:48 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

The two machines I updated I had to uninstall window-eyes and reinstall.
  On one machine I did not remove it, it got into a loop when it 
rebooted and I had to totally blow my seven away and install ten.  To be 
safe, I'd uninstall window-eyes.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 1 May 2018, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

You may not have to. But you may need to run Narrator a few times 
during the upgrade process, if you don't have sighted help




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 10:40 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Kurlander Richard (75)
Subject: work updating from windows 7 to windows 10

At work the computers are being updaed from windows 7 to windows 10 
with the windows 10 image, have no idea which windows 10 build they 
are going to use. I have on my machine windoweyes 9.5.4 will I have to 
reinstall windoweyes on the machine again?

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Re: MICROSOFT WORD: HELP PERFORMING THREE TASKS

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Good morning.  Sometimes memory does kick in.  A number of years ago I 
played around with a program called autohotkey.  It may very well be 
what you want.  It's a free open source project which is still being 
worked on.  Here's the download link for an installer and zip of the 
program.  The dates are very recent.

https://autohotkey.com/download/
Good luck.


On 4/17/2018 12:46 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:

Hi David:

Indeed, I did find some pointers online on how to create macros in Word.
Sadly, there were MORE PICTORIAL representations which then made it hard for
me to make sense of what I read.

Isn't Window-Eyes Central app repository gone now?  I'd be willing to give
the RECORD MACRO app a spin.

Retrospectively it doesn't look too hard to do in Word; however, recording
the macro is what seems to be throwing me off.  Since I'm an insomniac, I
will tinker with it tonight and see how far along I'll get.  I'll document
what I am doing, but won't publish it here unless it works satisfactorily.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

I guess that depends on what you use.  It's just down right terrible 
with Thunderbird.  NVDA at this point is the best screen reader with TB. 
 Tom has already commented about the UI.  It still amazes me that FS's 
stupid installation program overwrites the shortcut every time forcing 
us to reset the shortcut hotkey.  I have WE, JFW and NVDA on this 
machine with none of them starting automatically.  At this point in time 
I use NVDA the most which does surprise me some.


It seems reasonable to me to receive some support for costly programs. 
I decided to put Jaws on my laptop.  I'd forgotten that I needed the 
code instead of my serial number to activate Jaws on the laptop.  The 
email with the code came from a different address from the order so I 
was having difficulty finding it so I thought I'd try to call for help. 
I chose activation help from the menu.  They had wait times so theyir 
system gave the option for them to call me back.  Guess what, they never 
called me back and I finally found the code.  It looks like their was a 
bit of a support honeymoon period once they dropped WE but it seems to 
be over already.  VFO doesn't seem to be any better than FS.  They could 
have learned from GW and AI since they bought them out but they just 
don't seem to be interested in any ideas that don't come from their old 
group.


On 2/23/2018 1:17 AM, Dennis via Talk wrote:

Jaws is a good screen reader.
- Original Message - From: "Mike Rogers via Talk" 


To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mike Rogers" 
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA


Also, with Jaws you can make the insert key a "Sticky" key.  That way 
you hit insert and take your finger off and use the same hand to reach 
another.




www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:43:39 -0800
net bat via Talk  wrote:


you don't have to stop useing  window eyes .
both can co exist fine.
all i have to do is unload window eyes and then load jaws when i want 
to work with it.

or set it so jaws will load on bootup instead.
jaws can be unloaded with insert or capslock and f4 keys
you can change the jaws key from the insert key to the capslock key 
two ways.

by changeing to the laptop layout.
or if useing the desktop layout you can go to the settings center 
then to keyboard and insert keys i think its called and change 
between the insert or capslock key for the jaws key.




-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied.  I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:
> Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
> and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day 
> one.

>
>
> I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
> great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
> even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.
>
>
> My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
> more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
> browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.
>
>
> I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather 
expensive.
> Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or 
you
> also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes > 
another

> cost that requires budget juggling.
>
>
> On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
>> remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
>> it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
>> since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
>> control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
>> good in NVDA.
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Re: Totally OT! How to get a new iPhone talking out of the box?

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Turn it on. The triple click is on in setup mode. You can set up your phone 
yourself. 

Sent from my iPhone 8

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 8:35 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've got a new iPhone coming tomorrow and assume Siri won't work out of the 
> box and the triple button press isn't on by default. Any way to get it 
> talking or do I have to wait for eyes?
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: locked screen

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Good morning.  Hit the escape key and you'll be in a dialog where you 
can find the sign in button.  Chances are you'll be on it already.  You 
can keep the machine from going to sleep by going into power options. 
It's one of the choices in the windows-x menu.  Once in power options 
you can also change things like the action of the power button.  I like 
to make sure the press of the power button performs a shutdown.  This is 
good when speech goes nuts.  Good luck.



On 1/2/2018 7:37 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Good morning,

This morning, I was met with a locked screen indicator after a short 
period of the computer sitting idle.  I am running WE with new Windows 
10.  Sometimes, WE would say locked default, sometimes nothing and when 
the speech came back after a little wait, if I pressed enter, it would 
say unlocking, but nothing happened and there was still a locked 
screen.  eventually, I was able to get access to my desktop, but I have 
no idea how I did it.  How can I make sure the lock screen does not turn 
on?  I am the only user for this computer.  Thanks.


Carol


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Re: Upgrading to win10

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  This isn't Rod but I have an answer.  Your files stay where they 
are.  All my Thunderbird folders, desktop items, data folders, etc are 
exactly where they were before the upgrade.  Note that if you have the 
computer item on desktop it will be renamed to "this pc."  The only 
problem I had that took a long time to fix was Window-eyes being in 
startup programs.  I did not have it start after going into Windows but 
it would come up on the login screen.  The WE sound kept crashing my 
machine.  The MS answer desk rep helped fix it once I figured out that 
it was the WE sound that was crashing the system.  Good luck.



On 12/31/2017 10:41 PM, Brendan via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod,
When you upgrade to window's ten, does it automatically save everything 
on your C Drive  or does it clear the C Drive and what about all emails 
that one has  in  their in box and others folders.  Are these all lost 
or does it save them to windows ten.

Thanks Brendan


-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 9:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Upgrading to win10

Hi David,

Here's the link to upgrade to Windows 10 for free which expires today:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of David via Talk

Sent: December 31, 2017 10:50 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Cc: David 
Subject: Upgrading to win10

OK, I know, this should be the last day for the job. But far as I
remember, the free offer for upgrading to Win10 should last even for today.


Thing is, I thought I had saved the link for the upgrade. Unfortunately,
it must have been saved really deep in the storage here. Anyone please
could leave me the link for the screen reader offer of free upgrading to
Win10?


Thanks listers,


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Re: Starting Window Eyes/JAWS ey

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Good morning.  You do not need to restart the computer to switch screen 
readers.  However, you'll want to close one before starting the other. 
The exit Window-Eyes key is ctrl-insert-F4.  The exit jaws is insert-f4.


Do you have your shortcut keys set for each screen reader?  Window-Eyes 
does this for you while JFW does not.



On 12/6/2017 7:33 AM, Debra Hill via Talk wrote:

Hi,

  


If I have Window Eyes up and would like to use JAWS, do I have to restart
the computer each time?  Is there a way to switch from one screen reader to
another without re-booting?

Thanks!

Deborah

  


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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Sorry to be a bit of a crab but a novel idea might be to practice typing 
until you get good enough to type passwords accurately.  I've been 
working with blind students for over 10 years.  They know from the 
beginning that they need to get good enough with the keyboard to 
correctly type passwords.  They do the work to get better which pays off 
for them in doing all of their computer work.  The copy and paste method 
of enterring passwords is interesting. However, if people have enough 
skills to do that they may be close to being able to type them in.


On 11/18/2017 6:32 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
I have a friend that has a file with all of her passwords and other 
log-in information.  She copies hers from that list in order to make 
sure it is correct.


Carol

On 11/18/2017 1:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

and why do home bodies need this?
there's no one here to see the passwords. so why can't i turn the 
stars off like window eyes can?

i only have 3 tries before i am locked out of my accounts.
and some of them will only  unlock my accounts by sending me a unlock 
code by mail. not by email. so i could be locked out for weeks.
i have to use window eyes for passwords. or type them in note pad and 
copy and paste them into the password fields.
we should have the choice to speak or not speak the keys you press in 
the password fields.

my requests to f/s just falls on deaf ears.
they have not responded to any of my jaws questions to date.


-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: typing passwords with jaws

It's done this way for security.  Think about it a sighted person 
couldn't

see it either it would appear as stars or dots.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

WE does the same thing, and as much as I don't like not knowing what I am
typing, I like the security of knowing I am typing my password in the
correct field.

On 11/17/2017 5:56 PM, BK via Talk wrote:

Hello, jaws says star, star, star, when I type in a password. Does
anyone know how to change this so that jaws will say what is actually
being typed. I like to hear the actual characters, so I know I am
typing the password correctly. Thanks.

Butch


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Re: window-eyes open source?

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  What you said makes sense.  For me there are things that actually 
work better in NVDA than they do in Jaws which surprises me quite a bit. 
 If you use Thunderbird's message list  NVDA does a far better job than 
Jaws does.  If you delete an unread message from the list Jaws rereads 
the information from the message you deleted.  I tried using the Jaws 
convoluted UI to try to fix this but gave up after close to an hour. 
NVDA does not do this and also tells you how many messages there are in 
a TB folder.  I so far haven't found a web page in Firefox that works 
better with Jaws than it does with NVDA.  I'm still hoping for pleasant 
surprises from Jaws but I'm not holding my breath.  I believe in having 
a commercial screen reader because those companies have more resources 
to keep up with Microsoft.  However, at this time I'd find it hard to 
recommend the purchase of Jaws to a friend or student who has limitted 
financial resources.


On 9/11/2017 2:09 AM, David via Talk wrote:

You know, I too am tempted to believe, NVDA will take over some screen
reader users. For one thing, as NVDA becomes yet more powerful, and
widely known, it might happen that paying authorities or cherities, will
refuse to pay hundreds (or in translated version thousands) of dollars
for Jaws. And due to the dominance VFO currently has on the asistive
market, they can raise the price as they desire.

No. NVDA is far from good enough for a professional run, in a work
position where effeciency counts. It does come short when comes to
certain pieces of software, and it takes some modification and
scripting, to have it up running. Jaws is, like it or not, a
full-fledged screen reader, in many cases working somehow right out of
the box. Sure, I did say somehow. Not even WinEyes did always work right
out of the box; or why did we get the app feature of WinEyes, do you think?

But for the general home user, who wants to write and read emails, who
has already invested in a scanner and OCR software, and who needs to
perform general activities on the net (paying bills, checking the weekly
offer of their favorite store, and lookup something on Yahoo or
Google)... For those users, I am ready to say NVDA already will be close
to good enough. I don't really see too much that Jaws performs, or does
better, than NVDA on that front.


VFO bought AISquared, and in effect GWMicro. Since the agreement of the
merge is not publicly known, we do not know how that all came around, or
what was the thought behind. Who initiated and so forth.

<    IF

the intension was to grow bigger, they really managed; for the time
being. Was the idea of it all to control the market? Well, somehow maybe
they have currently managed. But there is something about being the
biggest and only one in town. You also will have to deal with ALL the
queries. And, though the world map looks far more International today
than two decades ago, many customers are facing ecconomic issues that
might affect their chances of buying a wildly priced product. Somehow,
we could think this to be some of the consequences of the WEForOffice
program, which did open up for even the less bolstered wallet to provide
the needy one with a full-fledged screen reader. Now that this program
eventually will be obsolete, NVDA might be the choice -even the ONLY
choice - for many a private user. Or, they might - if their activity
does not rely solely on Windows - leave the whole computer world
together, and go mobile.


The somehow dominant position VFO has taken at the moment, might hence
not be the fact we see tomorrow. That will all depend much on what
happens in the electronic world all generally. A decade ago, prior to
the first IPhone, everyone would have claimed that Windows was here to
stay. Then came the first IPhone, then the IPad, and today many a user
does not even own a computer any longer. Recently, I did see a
relatively up-to-date Android device, straight from the store shelf,
with all warrantees intact, advertised well under 100 dollars. Turn it
on, hold two fingers anywhere on the screen, and your device is fully
loaded with a screen reader, in less than five minutes. Just HOW well
will Jaws face that figure? Buy yourself a computer for anything from
300 to 1500 dollars, invest another 1200 dollars of software, add on
1200 for the screen reader; spend an hour or two in installing,
licensing and updating your brand new pet. Guess you see my point. You
do all of this, should you need to. But for the user who doesn't need to?


Further, keep in mind, that many who turns blind today, already are
quite familiar with Android and Phone/Ipad products. Being the kind of
equipment many - even school kids - now aday are acquainted with, they
might not even have the skills needed for starting out with a computer.
Turning blind today, you don't have one or two years to spend in a
special institution for the blind, hoping to learn something
old-fashioned, then imagining yourself getting back into 

Re: window-eyes open source?

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Big surprise!  You've clearly demonstrated over time that you want 
something for nothing.  Harping on WE becoming open source has as much 
chance of being successful as all of us getting sight.  This nagging 
behavior sometimes works for children with exhausted parents but this 
case is much larger than that.  Demonstrate support for the open source 
concept by supporting projects that use that model.  I'm also not happy 
about what has happened to WE but the sun still comes up every day.  I 
didn't get my way with this situation so it's time to move on.


On 9/9/2017 9:37 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
NVDA is fine to use. I like its business model better than VFO's 
business model.




On 9/9/2017 10:14 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via Talk wrote:

your brakeing the law! you court room jude judy or juje patricia
dimigao in the court room

On 9/9/17, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

Your question makes absolutely no sense in the context of this
discussion. NVDA's business model has no correlation to VFO's ownership
of Window-Eyes.


On 9/9/2017 9:40 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

then how does NVDA work the way it does? and how is it so successful?



On 9/9/2017 9:37 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Your board of directors would not allow you to spend a pile of money
to purchase your competitor and then allow you to put that competitor
right back in business against you. And no business owner with a drop
of sense would want to do it anyway. Businesses like Apple, google,
and Microsoft buy a heap of smaller businesses every year. They don't
do so to turn around and give them away. FS is no doubt picking
through the Window-Eyes code looking for ways to improve JAWS or
features to add.

On 9/9/2017 9:19 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer
supported by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with
it, we moved on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not
care.



On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number
one competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone
else to continue its development?


On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

hi

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported
to get the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it
up on the github website? then other developers could keep
developing window eyes.



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Re: nfl game pass

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  Actually, you don't need premium for NHL games.  TuneIn will 
probably be also great for college football, at least it was last year.


On 8/10/2017 1:48 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Does this include hockey?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Minor via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:21 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: nfl game pass

Hi.

I can't speak for Tunein on a PC, but the iPhone version has regular season
and playoff NFL games archived.  I checked for the Dallas game from last
week, but it wasn't archived, at least not yet.  I like Tunein on my iPhone,
because for $10 per month I get all the major pro sports in the U.S., and
MLB games are archived, and I think this is true for other pro sports.  Just
recently I listened to last year's Dallas Green Bay playoff game.  As I
said, I don't know how Tunein works on a PC.

Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY
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Re: Reciprocal Idea

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

You've made a good point here.  In WE it was quite easy to use the mouse 
move by clip commands to find the graphics to label yourself.  It also 
has a feature to pass the mouse over graphics to pop up tool tips to 
auto label those graphics.  You can label graphics in Jaws but I have no 
clue how to go about doing it.  Since VFO now owns WE it would be nice 
to think that they would look at it carefully to find some of the good 
Ideas that went into WE.  However as of now there seems to be no 
evidence that this might happen.  It seems that in the FS world that 
only good ideas come from inside the bubble.  Over time I'd love to be 
proven wrong.  I'm not holding my breath.  There's really nothing 
reciprocal about this situation.


It's up to us to figure things out.  I've found that Jaws and 
Thunderbird don't work well for me.  I have tried to adjust some Jaws 
settings to make it work better without success.  I'd like to figure out 
what I need to do to use Jaws with TB.  WE crashes TB on my system while 
NVDA seems to work like a champ.  Try NVDA with WLM and see if you can 
get it to work more to your liking.  For me it's easier to work with all 
three screen readers than it is to figure out some things in Jaws.  We 
all need to do what we have to do because it's really up to us to get 
what we want done.

--

On 6/11/2017 8:45 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
I just wish all of the graphics in windows live mail were labled.  Jaws 
doesn't say things like: read, replied to, forwarded etc. when arrowing 
up and down the windows live mail message list.


-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:53 PM
To: brice Mijares via Talk
Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

I think many of us are in the same boat.  I will use Window-eyes as long
as possible but am trying to learn jaws and not finding it very easy to do.

I'm glad this list is here so I can ask people who think in Window-eyes
how to do jaws stuff.

for instance, on the internet I hit N in Window-eyes to move down the
page.  Not sure why I like it better than arrow keys, but I seem to find
it efficient.  What is the jaws equivalent to this?

Brenda

On 6/10/2017 3:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
You got that right! Like they say, it's hard to teach an old dog new 
tricks. Smiles from another old buzzard!


On 6/10/2017 12:25 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
When I learned Window Eyes, I had been a sighted user of Windows and 
the keyboard commands were more logical than JAWS.  Now I am older 
and it's harder to remember all the new commands in JAWS.  It seems 
to take more commands in JAWS than Window Eyes to do the same thing. 
I have installed JAWS and am trying it gradually to get use to it, 
but will still use WE as long as it works.

   - Original Message -
   From: Dennis Long via Talk
   To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:41 PM
   Subject: RE: Reciprocal Idea


   Why it's true people need to realize that.  You had to learn  new 
keyboard

   commands when you bought window eyes.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

   On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:12 PM
   To: Neville; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

   You really didn't need to send this message.  Pam.

   -Original Message-
   From: Neville via Talk
   Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:34 PM
   To: Matthew Chao via Talk
   Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

   Hi,
   Window-eyes is dead so just get on with life and learn Jaws or NVDA.

   Neville


   On 9/06/2017 10:22 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
   > Hi, Folks.  Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard 
layout for

   > JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
   > Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it
   > wasn't our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you
   > think?--Matthew Chao
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Re: Thunderbird message amounts

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  I don't know of a way to do this.  WE and NVDA do this without 
making changes but Jaws just doesn't seem to handle this list in the 
same way.  I've actually stopped using Jaws with TB because there are 
also other issues that are there.  At this point in time it seems to me 
that NVDA works the best with TB since on my system WE crashes NVDA if 
you go too fast with key presses.  For me WE is still better with TB 
than Jaws even with WE's instability with it.




On 6/7/2017 10:34 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

In Window-eyes the number of messages in a folder is read.
with Jaws is there a way to do this?

At least jaws reads how many unread messages in a folder, but I could 
have lots and lots of messages in my inbox and have no way to know it 
with jaws.


Also, with Jaws is there a way to find out "message 10 of 125" etc to 
know where you are in the message list?


what are Window-Eyes migrants doingabout these issues?

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
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Re: move to jaws

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

I'll have to agree here.  Using JFW with Thunderbird is quite 
disappointing to me.  JFW can't give message counts or indexes in 
message folders.  NVDA does this very well.  WE in my opinion works 
better with TB than JFW does except for the fact that TB often crashes 
when using WE.  For me the commercial screen readers have problems with 
TB that NVDA overcomes.  I'm glad I now have all three screen readers to 
use since each of them has deficiencies for some programs.



On 5/28/2017 1:11 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
I have found that a great combination to have is NVDA and Jaws.  Since 
getting my Jaws activation code I have not used Window Eyes at all.  For 
me NVDA is easier to learn than Jaws.  So my overall plan is to use NVDA 
as my primary screen reader and Jaws as my backup if things come up that 
NVDA has problems with.  May Window Eyes Rest in Peace.

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Re: xp question

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Sorry, this is incorrect.  WE 9.1 will install on XP, 9.2 was the first 
version which required Win7 and above.



On 5/27/2017 7:48 AM, Albert Sanchez via Talk wrote:

8.4
- Original Message - From: "michaeel's mail via Talk" 


To: "window eyes help list" 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:52 AM
Subject: xp question



Hi guys what is the last version of WE that will run on XP windows.
cheers Michael.
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

That's how they do!  It's always been that way so why should they adjust 
what they do?  Their installation rewrites the shortcut even if one 
already exists.  In my opinion this is just lazy on the JFW's team's 
part.  How hard would it be for them to check for an existing shortcut 
and at least keep the existing one?  When you install NVDA there's a 
checkbox where you can decide to keep the existing shortcut or have a 
new one created.  It's not hard for us to reset the hotkey but it's a 
little annoying to have to do it when all other screen readers handle 
this in a much more convenient way.


On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: external synthesizer question

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  I'd like to know how to use my Doubletalk LT as well.  It works 
great with WE.  It's actually still being sold so I just don't get why 
VFO/FS won't support it anymore.



On 5/22/2017 10:03 AM, Charles Adkins via Talk wrote:



Sent from my iPhoneI am using a usb Dectalk external syn. I can't find any pitch 
adjustments using Jaws. They were so easy to find with we as most everything seems to 
have been. I find we more intuitive. I was asked how I like Jaws by a friendly vfo person 
and I told him that their response was, "ok"

I digress. Any help with my external dectalk usb would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chuck


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Re: Migration of Features?

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

We'll have to see if pieces of WE find there way into JFW.  Don't hold 
your breath.  In the first place there would have to be some recognition 
that WE has some things that may be better than they are in JFW.  I'm 
not convinced that there's such recognition.  They didn't buy AI Squared 
to pick up WE features or ways of doing things, they wanted ZT, WE was 
just there.  I hope they'll consider changing things like their page 
navigation scheme.  As we know in WE the insert-tab brings up the list 
of elements but we can shift-tab to a list of elements to change to.  In 
JFW you use insert-f7 for links, insert-f5 and insert-f6 for different 
elements.  Even NVDA has used the WE logic in this.  We'll just have to 
see if they have any intention to really look at WE features and 
implement them.  I won't be surprised at all if they just follow their 
existing course.


On 5/15/2017 6:34 PM, Andre via Talk wrote:

Have any Window-Eyes features been implemented into Jaws like its various
scripting languages flexibility? If not, is that something on the table? How
about other Window-Eyes features? To me, it's great if you have a current
retail copy of WE, but I think VFO could have gone even farther and should
in making the Window-Eyes customers feel more like giving JAWS a try. I
think most of us feel like strangers to JAWS and that would go along way in
feeling at home with JAWS assuming they want to keep the customer database
as satisfied customers. Afterall, Window-Eyes already has a Jaws keyboard
layout. How difficult is it for VFO to have created a Window-Eyes keyboard
layout which would make learning Jaws and getting up to speed with it a
whole lpot easier?



I don't think a company should be too arogant just because they appear to be
the only game in town. Upstart companies arrive on the seen everyday and
take the game to a whole new level.



Just my opinions!



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Re: Jaws And Deck--talk Express

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

I hope I'm wrong but FS/VFO or whatever they call themselves decided 
that those of us who still like hardware synths need to just get with 
the software speech program.  It's just too hard for them to support 
hardware synths anymore.  I still have a Dectalk Express but I mostly 
use my Doubletalk LT.  Yes, I'm grumpy about this!


On 5/15/2017 4:53 PM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

I would like to continue to use my Deck-talk Express.  How do I set this up in 
Jaws?

Pastor Gil
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Re: latest iTunes and Window-eyes

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

If that doesn't work try using NVDA.  No i in team, no e in using.


On 3/27/2017 11:29 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

try useing nvda.
w e is going down the tubes.
i am finding more and more web pages and programs that  w e doesn't
really work that well.
controls that only say button but not what they are.
itunes is one of these programs.
at least with windows 7.
i don't know why apple will not let you delete  the useless apps you
will never use again in your account.
any way
there is an option to hide the apps you don't want to show. but w e does
not tell you what the buttons are. nvda does.
the safeway shopping site with firefox doesn't work any more with the
list of items searched for. it will just say price and price but not the
dollar amount unless browse mode is turned off before you go to them.
when you try to select the date and time you want the order delivered
you can't use it because you don't know where you are  in the time table.
all of these options work fine with n v d a and firefox 55 esr


-Original Message- From: Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 8:22 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: latest iTunes and Window-eyes

it depends on who you talk to. Some say it's the greatest thing since
sliced
bread.
Andy

- Original Message - From: "Brenda via Talk"

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 1:58 PM
Subject: latest iTunes and Window-eyes



Hi List,


the other day I read a couple posts aboutissues with the latest iTunes
12.6 I believe.  so, I didn't download it when prompted. Are people
having trouble with this latest iTunes and W-E?


Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: Opening a website from Google

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  The browser matters here.  In IE the ctrl-o should work.  In FF 
this will not, ctrl-l works.  Here's a way that works in IE and FF.  Use 
alt-d to go to the address bar.  You also can search from there as well. 
 We teach IE and FF at Second Sense in Chicago.  We teach the use of 
alt-d because it works in both.  This also gets rid of the confusion 
between ctrl-e in IE and ctrl-k in FF for search.


On 3/19/2017 8:09 PM, Robin via Talk wrote:

I thought it was
CTRL + L
to Go To a WebSite
MyBad
At 05:39 PM 3/19/2017, you wrote:

Control-O sure works; you just need to type in the website and press
!!  Also, Control-L does work as well.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Called JAWS the other day

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Google's great for this.  For example in a google search put in nvda dec 
access and results will be there.  I wonder if Google would have a 
result explaining how Dec Access for NVDA relates in any way to Window-Eyes.



On 1/16/2017 8:46 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

I'd like to find the access32 add on for nvda.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:24 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

oh cool, then reverse that last answer i gave, sorry for the
incorrect info!

How cool is that?!

On 1/15/2017 3:14 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi, Yes you can use your dectalk express with NVDA.  You have to
download an
addon for it.

http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Can I use my Dec-talk Express with NVDA?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:00 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

Where does one get the access32 addon?  I have a friend who has started
using NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day

As far as NVDA voices I am currently using the Access32 add on and NVDA
sounds just like WE with the Decaccess32 voice for Window Eyes.
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Re: voices

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

There is a way to do this.  Set your synth settings the way you want 
them to be.  After you're done go to settings where you select the 
synth.  Check the box that says to remember settings when switching to 
this synth.


On 11/24/2016 1:34 PM, Richard Jarvis via Talk wrote:

Hello does anyone know if you can have different settings for each voice
you have set via voice rotor?  It seems as if I set one voice they all
revert to those settings.  Thanks for any suggestions.  Rick
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Re: The future of Window-eyes

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

I think they do have an idea.  Did you mis Dan's retirement?  Now Doug 
works for them so he can't very well say things the company doesn't want 
him to say.  There's a lot of hand writing on the wall to indicate that 
we'll really have freedom from choice.  Would love to be wrong but it's 
difficult to ignore the many signs that indicate that we're going to be 
swallowed up by FS.


On 10/3/2016 9:51 AM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote:

You all have know idea what you're talking about. Stop asuming things.
Window eyes is not going away! If it wire, I think Doug or Dan would let
us know! RJ


On 10/3/2016 10:36 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:

I'm sure they will hear an earful from those of us who like and use
Window-Eyes.  And yes, it's my money, and I want a good product.
Perhaps there should be more transparency as to what they plan to do.
Tell me straight, and I'll make my own decisions with my feet and my
wallet.--Matthew Chao




On 10/3/2016 10:25 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

Countdown to the demise of we y'all. I been calling it, we and fusion
will
be killed, magic will be put to it's deserved death fs always knew magic
sucked and was a complete joke. The shark and zt will be made to work
together and we'll be offered oh, so great upgrade pricing sarcasm.  Of
course people are now gonna say stop complaining.  When i'm spending
my own
money on something i have a right to complain. Fs's upgrade model is
stupid
to update my old copy of the shark and magic would cost a arm, leg and
first born child.




On Monday, October 3, 2016, Russ Kiehne via Talk

wrote:


If I'm stuck with using JAWS, I hope someone comes out with a alternate
keyboard layout for NVDA to make it use all of the same hot keys as
Window
Eyes.

-Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:04 PM
To: 'Butch Bussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The future of Window-eyes

Hi. Its understandable why you would not mess with JAWS. I have to
use JAWS
for my work as a musician and recording engineer, but detest it for its
copy-protection. I also work as a adaptive technology instructor and
can
use
both alongside of NVDA to teach clients.
-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen [mailto:but...@shellworld.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 7:58 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The future of Window-eyes

We all know window-eyes is going away, we just don't know when.  No way
are they going to support two screen readers.  I won't have jaws on my
system.  I refuse to mess with their copy protection scheme. Only
thing I
wonder is what they'll do with remaining s m a.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: Windows 10 accessibility

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

I'm missing how this whole flipping thread is directly related to 
Window-Eyes!  Is this the WE discussion list or a general Windows list 
now?  It would realy be great to read about how users are working with 
WinX and Window-Eyes.  Reading about how someone won't upgrade no matter 
what is honestly a total waste of time.  Put that stuff on Facebook.


On 5/12/2016 3:09 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

I must be missing something. What exactly is it that you folks want to
keep out of date?

Regards,
Tom



On 5/12/2016 3:43 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

The key word is defer.  That means you can stop them for now, but they
will try again later.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:23 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility

Dennis,

You can defer updates on Windows 10 Pro.
You can disable the search box.
I've yet to hear of anyone actually having a program uninstalled by
Microsoft. And they only do it for pirated programs, which pirates
deserve. But yes, in principle I agree with you. Then again, I was
sickened by Apple's stance on privacy and refusing not to open a dead
terrorist's phone, which he did not even own. So principles have their
limitations.
Virtually all of the privacy issues can be disabled.

I'm not a fan of what Microsoft has done. But in many ways they're
really only catching up with Apple, Google, and other providers who
track every move we make, scan our email, and so on. Conversely, Windows
10 is more secure and fine-tuned for new processors, solid state drives,
etc.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/12/2016 2:00 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want the
control to decide what does and doesn't get installed.  Second I have
the
search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it.  I also don't like
that MS
can go in and remotely remove a program.  What if they remove a valid
program.  I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues
are
resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at windows
10.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM
To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility

Rebekah
I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think.
*smiles*
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion
List

Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility

This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been
pointed
out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation.
There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on
Bookshare and
Google.  There are many people on this List who are successfully, and
happily, using Windows 10.  It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay
for
the upgrade!  It's free for Heaven's sake!  IE11, Firefox and Chrome are
still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word
processors and e-mail programs.   "My Computer" or "Computer" is now
called
"This PC".  So?  There are so many options that allow a person to
configure
settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This
PC...
The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned
off,
indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned
off so
that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer..
I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to
take off
all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he
could
do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard.  When I
called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something,
the
guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is
how I
want it.  If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to
something on
the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time.
Get
it off my screen!  Smile.
If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called
precisely,
the Search box is a wonderful resource.
Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine.
And the
Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the
internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet
results.
If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google.
Smile.
A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me!
Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three
other Browsers to choose from.
JMO.  Smile.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
From: Talk

Re: FaceBook picture descriptions

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  So far this only works with IOS, which means IPhones, IPads and 
IPod Touches will do this.  It seems that FB is focusing on description 
for portable apps first.



On 4/25/2016 8:09 AM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Hi,


After I heard that Facebook was rolling out their AI picture description
feature, I'm wondering if that can be used on a PC or is it just
available on an I phone right now.  Do you have to do something to turn
those descriptions on?



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Re: 2nd try - What version of WE will work with XP? Will WE 9 work?

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Actually version 9.1 will work with XP.  Version 9.2 will not install on XP.

On 4/16/2016 6:35 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Robert,

If I am not mistaken, version 9 of any flavor will not work with XP. You
should be OK with anything from  version 8.

Carol


On 4/16/2016 3:08 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:



Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

My goal for 2016 was to lose just 20 pounds. Only 30 to go.
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Re: Ai /Squared Email address for support

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

What address did you use?  How can we even guess the answer to the 
question about address change without that simple detail?  The support 
email shown in the Window-Eyes 9.4's manual's contact information 
section is:

wesupp...@aisquared.com
If they're not answering messages sent to the documented support address 
a problem really does exist.


We shouldn't have to do this but it may be a good idea to include your 
WE serial number in the subject or message body.


On 4/6/2016 3:22 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

I have sent several requests for support to Ai Squared for support and
have not received any responses.  Have they changed the Email address
for direct WE support?
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Re: Mozilla or Krome

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

You're going to have a hard time getting WE 5.0 to work with any modern 
browser.  Chrome will not work for sure since it is only supported with 
WE 9.1 or later.  The web has changed so much since your WE version was 
current.  Firefox may work some with simple pages but you may become 
very frustrated because the screen reader is just too old.  Again, 
Chrome is out for sure.



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Re: The latest on my apps issues

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Good morning.  You may have a problem in your wineyes.ini file.  Rather 
than renaming your profile folder or removing WE totally try the following.

1.  Go to the WE control panel with ctrl-backslash.
2.  alt-f for file.
3.  Go to explore profile folder.
4.  Locate your wineyes.ini file.  If you have details checked in the 
view menu your machine may say it's a configuration file.

5.  Press f2 to rename it.
6.  Type in wineyes.ini.save (or any name you want to use.
7.  Restart WE.  WE will recreate your .ini file.  See if your apps 
return.  Good luck.



On 2/22/2016 6:47 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

OK Rod, I just took a look at my last message, and believe me, I wont do
anything quite so drastic as to simply delete the folder, I will simply
rename it first if I can locate it. I guess I will have to use Narrator
while doing so, because I cannot either rename or delete the default
profile while WE is running.

I really do appreciate your help, and if this is what the doctor
ordered, I'll thank you profusely in advance.


On 2/22/2016 6:17 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Well hello to ya Rod. How ya been?



OK, I'll take a chance on looking a bit dumb.  I just went back to the
WE folder (shorthand), and couldn't locate a folder with that name.
Could you please give me the Precise name of the folder that I should
delete?

Thanks,

Larry

On 2/22/2016 5:31 AM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Hi Larry,

The quick answer is that there is no need to uninstall it, since, if you
simply rename or delete your profile folder, and then restart WE,
you'll get
a brand new one to start over with.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
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Behalf
Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: February 21, 2016 2:15 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: The latest on my apps issues

Is this emergency uninstallation option available with the office
version, and if so, where can I find it?

Maybe some day I will be able to invest in the paid version again like I
did for thirteen years, but for now ...

Thanks,

Larry

On 2/21/2016 6:54 AM, Tony C wrote:

You may want to do the emergency removal of WE and start with a fresh
install. I had to do that just a few days ago , for other reasons on
Windows 10. Since I did so WE is working 75% better.

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: The latest on my apps issues

OK Folks, here are the crazy and confusing latest details on my app
issue.

While trying to get to the bottom of my issues, I managed to figure out
that my GWToolkit app was apparently out of date when trying to run the
Winamp script within the apps management dialog box, or was it in what
is supposed to be the apps menu? I Don't even remember, I am so raddled
by this whole sudden thing, I cannot for the life of me keep it all
straight. But the latest is, that since I downloaded and installed the
latest toolkit, Weather or Not now runs. But here is where things get
very frustrating.

When I go to the apps menu, I only see apps that are running, not the
ones that aren't. Now, that is probably the way that it is supposed to
be, I'm not sure because I hardly consult the apps menu unless I
need to
make a change to either Winamp, or Weather or Not. After all I, like
many of us WE users like to set and forget. But the point is, that I
only see apps for four programs, Weather, Toolkit, Winamp, and Tb
enhance. And yes, now I actually hear the Thunderbird logo when
starting
the program. However, I do not have Windows enhance, or any number of
apps that were listed.

I guess all I want to know now, is just what to do next. I'm
thinking of
just uninstalling WE, and doing a completely clean install. surely that
will set things aright. But then again, I really want to avoid this if
at all possible.

I really can't figure out just what I did, that is if I did
anything, to
make this happen. My toolkit was up to date, because I have WE to
notify
me when updates are available, and I'm very good about that. But
obviously something just went haywire round here. Hopefully things can
finally return to normal with all of your kind help.

If all of the above makes very little sense, please check the time
stamp
on this message . I really did feel a kind of elation when at
least the weather app actually started to work, but WE sure seems a bit
lame without the full functionality that it has with all apps and
engines working on all Cylinders. But I'm sure that we can and will get
to the bottom of all of this.

With gratitude for all of your kind and patient help and suggestions
so far,

Larry


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Re: Fire Fox Work around?

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  Are you sure that FF isn't opening a new tab when you hit this 
link? If it seems like it's doing nothing use ctrl-tab to see if there's 
an additional tab  open.  I actually have FF set to immediately open new 
tabs if they are created. This is not FF's default behavior.


On 1/25/2016 10:01 AM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

I'm curious to know why some links behave like this for me in Firefox,
and not others.

One example of this kind of link is found at
http://ocado.com
A UK supermarket site.
Wade through all the rubbish at the top of the page until you get to the
"log in" link.  For me, this link does nothing when I press enter on it,
but it works in IE.

Any thoughts?


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Re: WINDOWS 10

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

When the powers that be at Microsoft fix Edge to make it compatible for 
accessibility.Until then use Internet Explorer or Firefox or Chrome.

k

On 12/9/2015 9:40 AM, Stephen Thacker via Talk wrote:

Hi, Windows 10 is lousy without Windows Edge being compatible so when
are the powers that be going to upgrade Window-eyes to make things
compatible?

Cheers, Steve
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Re: Persistent Windows 10 offer

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  It restarts itself often.  I alt-tab away from it.  Leaving it in 
the task list means that it won't interrupt any other tasks when it 
comes back up.


On 12/8/2015 7:40 AM, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:

The same thing happens here.  I just do an alt-f4  and it shuts up for a
while.  I am going to call Microsoft and ask them to do a clean install
because when mine upgrades by itself, it really really seems corrupted.  I
think I'm going to go to Windows 10 sooner or later so maybe I just need to
upgrade and be done with it.  I am not sure how to tell you to remove the
whole possibility!

Jo Taliaferro

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+soaringeagle7=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of M Dorn via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 5:24 PM
To: WindowEyes Talk List Post
Subject: Persistant Windows 10 offer

I have started getting a message to upgrade to Windows 10, which I do not
intend to do.  There's nothing in it to say "don't ask me anymore."  Even
after closing it, it pops up again and again.  It also seems to make the
computer unrsponsive when the Win 10 message is open.

Any suggestions as to how to get rid of this annoyance?

Thanks!
Marilyn

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Re: Control, Alt., W not working to close WE

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  Do you mean to restart WE?  Ctrl-alt-w never has been a key to 
close WE.  On some systems you can only restart WE once with this key 
for each reboot.  My Win7 64 bit machine lets me restart WE all the time 
with ctrl-alt-w.



On 10/28/2015 5:17 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

Since last update today Control, Alt., W not working for me, to close Window 
Eyes. Anyone else experiencing this?
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Re: Control, Alt., W not working to restart WE

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Still working as expected here after the Toolkit update.  Have you 
rebooted since the update?


On 10/28/2015 5:46 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:






Let me try this again. Yes, I meant to restart WE. This just started
since the update to GW Tool kit that came today. Running WE 9.2 and
Win 7, 64 bit.

- Original Message - From: "Marvin Commerford"

To: "Loy" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Control, Alt., W not working to close WE



Hi.  Do you mean to restart WE?  Ctrl-alt-w never has been a key to
close WE.  On some systems you can only restart WE once with this key
for each reboot.  My Win7 64 bit machine lets me restart WE all the
time with ctrl-alt-w.


On 10/28/2015 5:17 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

Since last update today Control, Alt., W not working for me, to
close Window Eyes. Anyone else experiencing this?
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Re: how to hide search box in windows 7

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  I agree here.  It is very useful.  I'm curious why hiding this 
would have any purpose at all.  It only comes up when you hit the 
Windows/start key and disappears with the escape key.  You can up arrow 
to the all programs button from the search box.  The search box is 
actually one of the best features of Win7.


On 10/19/2015 1:05 PM, g melconian via Talk wrote:

I don't think you can hhide the search box. That's  there  by default and
there is nothing you can do about it. I actually think it's a very useful
tool to type what you want in the search box and it will go to it.this is
very useful for windows 8.1 and windows 10 and so I will use it.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 10:59 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: how to hide search box in windows 7

Hi, could someone write me off list with instructions on how to hide and
unhide the search box in windows7?  Thanks.

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Re: NFL audio pass

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  I absolutely agree with this!  We're stretching the topics for AI 
here a little.  Radium is a radio app for the IPhone or the Mac so has 
nothing to do with WE.  Subscribers to SiriusXM's internet service who 
also use IOS or MacOS can use Radium to listen to content.  Hope this helps.



On 8/10/2015 9:51 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:

Thank goodness for Sirius-XM radio and specifically thank goodness for
Radium which makes Sirius-XM easy to use.  They have both home and away
feeds for all NFL games including the post season.

Don Roberts


On 8/10/2015 4:23 AM, Terry Chaney via Talk wrote:

I talked with someone at the NFL who told me that they will no longer
be supplying audio pass.  This was a service that allow you to listen
to NFL teams using the home feeds of the individual radio broadcasts
of the teams.  It's great if you want to follow a team that isn't in
your area.  Anyway, if someone stumbles onto another source for home
team radio coverage on the net I'd like to know.  Terry Chaney
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Re: Still experiencing frequent crashes with Internet Explorer 11

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Also clean up IE's history.  9.2 is working very well on this Win7 64 
bit machine with FF and IE.  I guess I forgot that browser crashes are 
almost always caused by the screen reader.


On 8/5/2015 2:23 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

I use IE exclusively and can't remember the last time it crashed. I'd
recommend going into Tools, Options, Advanced tab, and resetting
advanced settings. Then Tools, Manage add-ons, and disable any you don't
use.

Hth,
Tom


On 8/5/2015 2:34 PM, Josh Rivera via Talk wrote:

I say again, that WE-9 is the crashiest edition of the program they have
ever put out!



-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 1:41 PM
To: Whizza; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Still experiencing frequent crashes with Internet
Explorer 11

This is happening to me too, several other people have experienced the
issue.  so you're not alone.



On 8/5/2015 1:18 PM, Whizza via Talk wrote:

I was hoping that the crash issue with IE 11 would be fixed in
Window-Eyes 9.2 but no such luck.  I've had three crashes today alone.
Windows 7 64 bit with Window-Eyes 9.2.

Cheers,
Sandra.
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Re: Screen Reader History

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

And now Doug and Dan are with their third company together.  I remember 
that I really wanted a Sounding Board from Computer Aids Corporation 
which Dan designed.  For a short time I was sad when I learned that CA 
had closed down.  Doug and Dan got GW Micro rolling and the first thing 
I did when I got my first IT job was to order that Sounding Board, 
Vocal-Eyes 1.0, their Braille Talk braille translation program, and the 
Noteworthy and calcworthy programs they had.  GW's products really 
helped make it possible for me to earn a good living.


On 8/2/2015 7:30 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:

Jeff,
Thank you for sharing that amazing piece of history. There are so many
products which we use on a daily basis and we know little about the
product's origins and its inventors. I believe that someone started an
assistive technology history wiki and your story should definitely be
submitted. Is Malcom still with us?

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
www.davidgoldfield.info

On 8/2/2015 8:21 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:

In 1985 I bought a used IBM PC with the same 256 KB of memory and 2
double-sided floppy disk drives for only $3,000. I worked for the
National Park Service in Yosemite and a coworker of mine, Malcom
Holser, wrote a screen reader program for me to use with an Echo PC
serial synthesizer. Malcom came up with the name Vocal-Eyes and later
sold the program to Computer
Aids Corporation. However, they were strict on including the word
talk in most all their software so it became Screen Talk. Later, I
was pleased when GW Micro picked up and used the name Vocal-Eyes.
Jeff

At 03:51 PM 8/2/2015, you wrote:

I got my first IBM clone (256K of RAM) at this time in 1985, and was
running Screen-Talk before Computer Aids Corporation added the Prokey
macros. A SET file was about 128 bytes long, and I edited some of
them with Edlin for better compatibility with my Votrax Personal
Speech System. Many times I'm amazed that this Windows stuff works at
all.
Windows 3.1 came out in 1990, and the first screen reader for Windows
was OutSpoken, which was first demonstrated in July of 1992.
Window-Eyes for Windows 3.1 came out in 1995, and it could first run
Windows 95 in 1997.

Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:49 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Such memories, got my first Apple 2 e in 1983.  Anyone remember file
talk?  Got an ibm clone in 85 and ran screen talk with prokey.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 2
Aug 2015, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:


I started out with artic vision, and for a short time, I had a
computer that I was supposed to get if I got a job that had vocal
eyes on it.  But I was so used to the Artic that I didn't like the
vocal eyes.  Yes, diskettes, the five inch soft ones and the
3.5-inch ones.  Somewhere, I still have them! Pam.

-Original Message- From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I also started during the 90s when vocal-eyes was the king of dos,
wordperfect let's see, are we talking about diskettes here? lol
This is really back from the past



regards
Thomas N. Chan
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From: Talk
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On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 August 2015 8:12 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

You might want to check your timeline. 25 years ago I was using GW
Micro's VocalEyes on DOS and there was no such thing as Windows.

Sheesh! Now I suddenly feel old. Thanks a bunch. (grin)

Tom


On 8/1/2015 7:40 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

 Sure we will. I appreciate the products that I have used from GW
over the
 past 25 years of using windows eyes from 4.0 all the way up to 9.2.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

 Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 12:58 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: A new feature in Internet Explorer

 Here is a feature that they've added to Internet explorer which is
turned

on

 by default called Do not track.

 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-do-not-track

 It's not perfect, but they are actually trying to improve the
security of
 Windows not make it worse.



 Now, can we please get back to talking about Window-eyes?

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Re: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Here's a thought.  Did you ever consider that it really is more prudent 
to put out support when it's much more ready for prime time?  AI Squared 
really can't and shouldn't release leading edge experimental code to 
customers.  The open source community needs more users to test out what 
they're doing while software vendors will do the preliminary work in 
house.


On 7/31/2015 7:18 AM, Darren Harris via Talk wrote:

I think his point is more that someone in the open source community actually
has gone amd got some aspects of edge working if only in a very limited way.
Yet paid manufacturers have not yet done this.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 31 July 2015 13:15
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

Gary,

Before starting untrue rumors, please make sure you have the facts
correct.  No screen reader makes Edge usable.  NVDA is saying the following:

Windows 10 introduces a new web browser and browsing engine called
Microsoft Edge. Some experimental support is available in NVDA master
snapshots and will be included in NVDA 2015.3, but there are major
problems and this is far from ready for everyday web browsing. These
issues are due to deficiencies in Edge's accessibility support. We are
working with Microsoft to ensure that these issues are rectified in
future Windows updates.

So I wouldn't accept that as a statement saying Edge is working.

Doug

On 7/31/2015 1:14 AM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

I'm wondering how come the open source community was the first one out of
the gate to get microsoft edge working with screen reader on windows 10.

I'm

just wondering since AI Squared and GW have a  working and tight
relationship with Microsoft how come they could not have gotten Microsoft
edge the next gen browser by Microsoft working with Windo Eyes 9.2. Just
wondering.

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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

Hi,

I've got a lot to learn about Windows 10, but, in general, its working
pretty well.  I'm still trying to figure out how Cortana and the text to
speech app work together, but there is lots to learn.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 7/30/2015 7:29 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Should have taken the advise to wait on the Windows 10 upgrade.  I
continued to have problems with WE not reading anything in the file
explorer.  Thought I had it fixed but no such luck.  I have now gone
back to Windows 8.1 and hope what ever the problems are whether it is
a WE or Windows issue get fixed soon.  Just a note reverting back to
Win 8.1 was painless.
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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  Actually you would need to purchase a license for Dectalk. 
Actually you've already made the large investment by buying WE in the 
first place.  For me the cost of an SMA is worth it for the tech support 
and the delivery of cds for upgrades that use an SMA count.  You also 
can get your licensed upgrade quickly.  Ok, the servers got hammered at 
first but you've had WE for a while and probably have had quite a few 
upgrades while you've had your SMA.  I would rather have an agreement 
with GW/AI for my screen reader.  MS has nothing to do with it this way. 
 The free option is really fantastic for people who can't make the 
initial investment in their screen reader but in my opinion its value 
decreases for those of us who are working with the licensed full copy.


On 7/29/2015 10:28 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to the 
free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support was a big 
reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me to 
consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the switch 
think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the Dectalk voice in WE and 
do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to.

Opinions?


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Re: crashing

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

For any of you who just want to access your bookmarks in FF the alt-b 
works as expected.  You'll see it in the menu if you forget it.  If you 
really need the functions of ctrl-i you can jump through the hoops 
explained, however, for navigating throughgh your list, using first 
letter navigation and pressing enter on a book mark/favorite this will 
do the trick.  Hopefully GW/AI can fix the problem with ctrl-i at some 
point but until then you are absolutely not locked out of your bookmark 
list without adjusting auto-load or popping BM off.


On 7/28/2015 2:57 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

if the bookmark list is opened when firefox crashes try this. turn
autoload off then browse mode off. then open the bookmark list with
control i. close it after you have clicked on a bookmark link close it
and turn browse mode and autoload back on.
this is my only work arownd when useing the bookmark list.
it will hang every time i open it with browse mode and autoload left on.
this is with windows 7.
with windows 8.1 it does not hang. but i still have to turn browse mode
off before i open the bookmark list because w e will stay in the web
page and not go to the bookmark list until i turn browse mode mode off
and press f6 twice to get back to the list.

-Original Message- From: Bud Schwab via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:37 AM
To: windoweyes
Subject: crashing

Hi gang,

I know this has been brought up before but I thought maybe somebody
has discovered some clues and fixes.  My computer is crashing more
and more these days.  When it goes silent I can usually wait up to
two or three minutes and it will come back.  During the silent time
I'm not able to bring up NVDA either so I would guess we has nothing
to do with it.   It crashes much more in IE as it does in firefox.  I
can't figure out what all this means but thought someone out there
might have a clue. Running windoweyes 9.2 and windows 7 64
bit.  Thanks for any ideas.  The computer is hardly usable these days.


Bud Schwab
W 6 Z Y P
El Segundo, California

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Re: How Can I Tell if I Have Bluetooth

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Take a look in device manager.

On 6/15/2015 4:02 PM, Ray Campbell via Talk wrote:

Hi All:



I have a question.  I'm running an HP Pavilion with Windows 8.1 and
Window-Eyes 9.1.  How can I tell if I have a built-in Bluetooth card or not?
I tried going to the start menu and searching for Bluetooth and I get
directed to the connections area where it looks like all I can do is work
with Wifi connections.



Thanks,





Ray Campbell

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Re: Seeking Your Input

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Alt-b is the FF hotkey for bookmarks.  It works like a champ and has for 
many years.


On 6/3/2015 6:10 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

finish making w e accessible with firefox.
i can not open the bookmark list with control i unless i turn autoload
and browse mode off before i open it or else w e and firefox will hang
for over 30 seconds or firefox will crash. this doesn't happen at all
with nvda or narrator and win7 64 bit.
when useing the w e find command the find gets stuck on the same word it
finds until i arrow past the search word then the insert f keys will go
to the next acurrance of the search word. otherwise w e will stay on the
same one.

with shop.safeway.com.
this same site use to work fine before the browse mode rewrite.
after searching for a item with firefox i can not get the dollar amount
of the item. w e only sees the word price but not the dollar amount
unless i turn browse mode off while i am still on the description of the
item. then tab to the price. then it will see the dollar amount. then i
have to turn browse mode back on before i can go to the next item in the
list. over and over again.
this does not happen with nvda.
but i do not want to have to keep switching screen readers every time i
go to a web page that w e 9.1 will not work on.
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Re: Repetitive lines on Web pages drive me nuts!, how bout you?

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  By chance are there poorly designed tables on the page?  If there 
are WE may be reading these lines as row or column headings.  Use 
ctrl-shift-h to cycle to the no column or row choice.  Good luck.



On 5/6/2015 11:07 AM, via Talk wrote:

I went to the url you provided, Larry. Too bad the widow Mitchell didn't go
in there and have a look see--sounds like she could have used the money. The
only instances of seemingly repetitive text might be alt text for images or,
like on some wikipedia articles, captions to photos that somehow end up
included in the article as well as accompanying the photo. I'd have to say
it's poor presentation, not a screen reader issue.

This was with WE nine point one, IE eleven, and Windows seven.

Lou N.

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Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Repetitive lines on Web pages drive me nuts!, how bout you?

Listers,

I have been intending to post this question for a very long time, but
just never managed to do it. Maybe having a rather out of date system
With WE 7.2, and somewhat bound to IE 6, if I remember precisely, I
thought this might have been attributed to some new quirk, or an
Inadequate aspect of the old browser, but I ran into this issue this
morning on the following URL.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3069645/Jimi-Hendrix-s-drum-kit-memo
rabilia-sold-pittance-repossessed-lock-wife-didn-t-pay-fees.html

The issue is constantly repetitive lines throughout the reading of the
page. I also gave some consideration to the idea that WE was at fault
here, but after taking a look around, it turns out not to be so.

Therefore, I guess my question is as follows. Have any of you found a
way to filter out these instances of repetitiveness, or do you, like me,
just grit your teeth and suffer through them?

These kinds of pages aren't the kind I find myself visiting all that
often, but some times a story catches my ear, and like everyone else on
the Web, one link can so easily lead to another - you get the picture.
But this is not all that unusual in my experience. And it doesn't matter
all that much what news service you might look at, this issue pops up
periodically.

If anyone could shed some light, or give me some kind of work-around for
this issue, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,

Larry
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Re: Escape key

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

This sounds great but for the life of me I can't figure out the add-ons 
mangler to search for it.  Is it necessary to scroll through all the 
extensions?



On 4/16/2015 6:43 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

You can download a tb extension called close tab on esc.
Works great.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:55 PM
To: Alan Siman; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Escape key

Yes, Escape works in a new window but not in a new tab. Although I
thought this was made to work in the TB app. But I don't use that app so
I'm not sure.

Hth,
Tom


On 4/15/2015 7:14 PM, Alan Siman via Talk wrote:

Somehow my escape key no longer closes an ioeb email in latest tbird.

Is this an issue with opening emails in a new window or tab?
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Re: Changing rate on the fly

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Good morning.  The WE hotkeys have not changed.  However you must have 
an Intel display adapter with its hotkeys enabled.  Prior to WE 9 the 
Intel keys override the WE hotkeys.  If you upgrade to WE 9.1 your 
ctrl-alt-arrow keys should work in WE.  If you stay at 8.4 you'll need 
to disable the Intel hotkeys.  There is an article in the knowledge base 
explaining how to do this.


On 3/20/2015 7:34 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:

I think I remember somebody on the list writing about different hot keys to 
change rate temporarily.  It use to be control-alt-arrow keys.  Now those keys 
rotate the screen.  Are there new hot keys for rate, volume, etc.?



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Re: bluetooth issue.

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  Another thing to try is to activate the backup synthesizer.  You 
can do this without speech with the following key strokes.

1. ctrl-backslash to go to the WE control panel.
2.  alt-h for the help menu.
3. s for speech and braille recovery
4.  a for activate backup synthesizer.
I can't try this with a bluetooth dongle because I don't have one.  The 
only possible problem could be that Windows forces the bluetooth dongle 
to be the default sound card.  If this happens the only way to use this 
thing is to pair it with headphones or a speaker.  Good luck.



On 3/16/2015 9:00 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Billy,

Did you ever have a pair of headphones or speakers paired with it?
If so, you would be able to hear Window-Eyes through those while you go into
the Playback Audio Devices menu and make your default sound card the one
you're used to rather than the Bluetooth.

Hth,

Rod

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Of broxibear via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: bluetooth issue.

hi guys, I have a bluetooth usb dongle, but when i plug it into a port. My
speech disappears entirely.
As soon as I remove the dongle, the speech comes back.
At the time I have no bluetooth devices running, but as soon as you connect
the dongle, speech goes.
Please advise, Billy
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Re: firefox v34.5

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

There's no trick.  Have you opened different pages with similar results? 
 Are you loading a page where you're automatically put into a search 
box so bm is turned off like the default FF start page?  Make sure bm is 
on and your arrows should work fine.


On 2/24/2015 7:13 PM, Jim Ruby via Talk wrote:

Is there a trick to using firefox? I can't use the arrow keys to move around
the pages at all?



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Re: Re-initializing synthesizer

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

Hi.  Not a staff member but you are correct.

On 2/19/2015 7:59 AM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote:

I think I remember that insert backslash will redraw the screen and
re-initialize speech.
Maybe the staff can tell us if this still works?

Jeff Weiss







-Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 5:21 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re-initializing synthesizer

Hi list:



Back in the day, before the WE tree view, there used to be a quick way to
re-initialize a synthesizer, just by opening the WE control panel and
pressing i.



Of course, if you have WE 9, you can just do the control+alt+w shortcut and
it will re-initialize WE.  But, is there still a shortcut key for this,
just
in case anyone is using WE 8.4 or earlier?



Thanks!

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