[OSM-ja] 4/14 東京！街歩き！マッピングパーティ：第18回 本郷大横丁通り商店街

[yasunari yamashita]

新宿の山下です。こんにちわ

毎月定期的に開催している
東京！街歩き！マッピングパーティ
4月は14日（土）に本郷大横丁通り商店街をターゲットに開催します。

東京！街歩き！マッピングパーティ：第18回 本郷大横丁通り商店街
https://openstreetmap.connpass.com/event/82182/

何気ないいつもの商店街でも、地図を作る解像度で見つめればきっと新たな発見があるはず。
皆さまの参加をお待ちしています１！
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Ethan Nelson]

On Mar 13, 2018 22:09, "Paul Johnson"  wrote:


> So what was the story


It was the case of someone uploading data erroneously. After a block, they made 
contact to let us know.


Best,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Paul Johnson]

So what was the story?

On Mar 13, 2018 22:06, "Ethan Nelson"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> We've heard from the mappers and have (hopefully) solved the issue.
>
>
> Thank you for your vigilance!
>
>
> Best,
>
> Ethan aka FTA with the DWG
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Ethan Nelson]

Hi all,


We've heard from the mappers and have (hopefully) solved the issue.


Thank you for your vigilance!


Best,

Ethan aka FTA with the DWG

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Clifford Snow]

Let us know if anything good comes of the block. I'm sure you'll hear
otherwise.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:

> The DWG is (now) aware of it :)
>
> There are 8 accounts with changeset comments matching this pattern
> right now. Hoping they don't change it once they start getting
> blocked.
>
> Toby
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:04 PM, Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
> > I haven't seen anything like that in Washington State. Still getting the
> > occasional "updated" changeset comment.
> >
> > Paul - it seems like they should be reported to DWG. The first user on
> your
> > list, Mike Gothie has 83 edits. One was pure garbage. If the others are
> like
> > that I'd report them all.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Same thing is popping up in the Denver, Colorado area. I've sent
> messages
> >> to the new users. If no reply, I will begin deleting.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Paul Johnson
> >> Sent: Mar 14, 2018 4:08 AM
> >> To: Talk Openstreetmap
> >> Subject: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam
> >> edits
> >>
> >> Seem to be getting a large number of spam edits all with comments
> matching
> >> aa, where a is any single lowercase letter and b is any single
> >> digit, have appeared in the last 48 hours.  So far the items being
> mapped
> >> have had name=* matching the same pattern, area=yes, and not much of
> >> anything else, and certainly don't seem to be of any value or
> decipherable
> >> to any casual observer.  These have started appearing in Oklahoma,
> which is
> >> why I noticed them in OsmCha.
> >>
> >> Users that I've noticed so far that are doing this, totalling 261
> >> changesets, all fitting this pattern:
> >>
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mike%20Gothie
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/t-max
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ghostsail
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mrana3
> >>
> >> I strongly suspect there are more accounts doing this across the US
> (since
> >> the mrana3 one only had a bounding box that intersected Oklahoma, no
> edits
> >> within it, but did have them on either coast), and the oldest account
> >> appears to be from March 5, 2018.
> >>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Toby Murray]

The DWG is (now) aware of it :)

There are 8 accounts with changeset comments matching this pattern
right now. Hoping they don't change it once they start getting
blocked.

Toby

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:04 PM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> I haven't seen anything like that in Washington State. Still getting the
> occasional "updated" changeset comment.
>
> Paul - it seems like they should be reported to DWG. The first user on your
> list, Mike Gothie has 83 edits. One was pure garbage. If the others are like
> that I'd report them all.
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com
>  wrote:
>>
>> Same thing is popping up in the Denver, Colorado area. I've sent messages
>> to the new users. If no reply, I will begin deleting.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Johnson
>> Sent: Mar 14, 2018 4:08 AM
>> To: Talk Openstreetmap
>> Subject: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam
>> edits
>>
>> Seem to be getting a large number of spam edits all with comments matching
>> aa, where a is any single lowercase letter and b is any single
>> digit, have appeared in the last 48 hours.  So far the items being mapped
>> have had name=* matching the same pattern, area=yes, and not much of
>> anything else, and certainly don't seem to be of any value or decipherable
>> to any casual observer.  These have started appearing in Oklahoma, which is
>> why I noticed them in OsmCha.
>>
>> Users that I've noticed so far that are doing this, totalling 261
>> changesets, all fitting this pattern:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mike%20Gothie
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/t-max
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ghostsail
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mrana3
>>
>> I strongly suspect there are more accounts doing this across the US (since
>> the mrana3 one only had a bounding box that intersected Oklahoma, no edits
>> within it, but did have them on either coast), and the oldest account
>> appears to be from March 5, 2018.
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Clifford Snow]

I haven't seen anything like that in Washington State. Still getting the
occasional "updated" changeset comment.

Paul - it seems like they should be reported to DWG. The first user on your
list, Mike Gothie has 83 edits. One was pure garbage. If the others are
like that I'd report them all.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com <
jacknst...@sprynet.com> wrote:

> Same thing is popping up in the Denver, Colorado area. I've sent messages
> to the new users. If no reply, I will begin deleting.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Johnson
> Sent: Mar 14, 2018 4:08 AM
> To: Talk Openstreetmap
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam
> edits
>
> Seem to be getting a large number of spam edits all with comments matching
> aa, where a is any single lowercase letter and b is any single
> digit, have appeared in the last 48 hours.  So far the items being mapped
> have had name=* matching the same pattern, area=yes, and not much of
> anything else, and certainly don't seem to be of any value or decipherable
> to any casual observer.  These have started appearing in Oklahoma, which is
> why I noticed them in OsmCha.
>
> Users that I've noticed so far that are doing this, totalling 261
> changesets, all fitting this pattern:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mike%20Gothie
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/t-max
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ghostsail
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mrana3
>
> I strongly suspect there are more accounts doing this across the US (since
> the mrana3 one only had a bounding box that intersected Oklahoma, no edits
> within it, but did have them on either coast), and the oldest account
> appears to be from March 5, 2018.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Same thing is popping up in the Denver, Colorado area. I've sent messages to the new users. If no reply, I will begin deleting.-Original Message-
From: Paul Johnson 
Sent: Mar 14, 2018 4:08 AM
To: Talk Openstreetmap 
Subject: [OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

Seem to be getting a large number of spam edits all with comments matching aa, where a is any single lowercase letter and b is any single digit, have appeared in the last 48 hours.  So far the items being mapped have had name=* matching the same pattern, area=yes, and not much of anything else, and certainly don't seem to be of any value or decipherable to any casual observer.  These have started appearing in Oklahoma, which is why I noticed them in OsmCha.Users that I've noticed so far that are doing this, totalling 261 changesets, all fitting this pattern:https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mike%20Gothiehttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/t-maxhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ghostsailhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mrana3I strongly suspect there are more accounts doing this across the US (since the mrana3 one only had a bounding box that intersected Oklahoma, no edits within it, but did have them on either coast), and the oldest account appears to be from March 5, 2018.


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[OSM-talk] Large number of seemingly automated, non-SEO spam edits

[Paul Johnson]

Seem to be getting a large number of spam edits all with comments matching
aa, where a is any single lowercase letter and b is any single
digit, have appeared in the last 48 hours.  So far the items being mapped
have had name=* matching the same pattern, area=yes, and not much of
anything else, and certainly don't seem to be of any value or decipherable
to any casual observer.  These have started appearing in Oklahoma, which is
why I noticed them in OsmCha.

Users that I've noticed so far that are doing this, totalling 261
changesets, all fitting this pattern:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mike%20Gothie
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/t-max
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ghostsail
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mrana3

I strongly suspect there are more accounts doing this across the US (since
the mrana3 one only had a bounding box that intersected Oklahoma, no edits
within it, but did have them on either coast), and the oldest account
appears to be from March 5, 2018.
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[Talk-pt] Fotos para valores de surface=* no wiki português

[Fernando Trebien]

Prezados colegas portugueses,

Recentemente um colabor brasileiro traduziu o artigo no wiki português
sobre a etiqueta surface=* [1] com enfoque no contexto brasileiro,
ilustrando com fotos do sul do Brasil. Muitas delas eu removi para
evitar que o conteúdo se diferenciasse demasiadamente daquele usado
pelas comunidades de outros países, e, em alguns casos, para evitar um
conflito com a prática mais estabelecida dentro e fora do Brasil, que
sempre usou o wiki inglês como referência principal para esta
etiqueta. No entanto, para evitar ressentimentos, a comunidade
brasileira sugeriu (em discussão no Telegram) que as fotos que eu
retirei deveriam ser reintroduzidas no artigo, o que eu fiz. Listo a
seguir URLs referentes à alteração [2], ao conteúdo anterior [3] e ao
novo [4].

Como o prefixo Pt no wiki é compartilhado entre as comunidades
lusófonas, pergunto: concordam com a reintrodução das fotos?

Cumprimentos,

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Pt:Map_Features:surface
[2] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3APt%3AMap_Features%3Asurface=revision=1587552=1587392
[3] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pt:Map_Features:surface=1587392
[4] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Pt:Map_Features:surface=1587552

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Re: [Talk-gb-london] Transport for London & OSM - station mapping project

[Bjoern Hassler]

Hi Theo,

that's really excellent - very happy to hear that!

I have a few suggestions:

(1) In your edits (Weltstaat, Working for Mentz), the platforms are being
(re)named like this:
(e.g.) "Westbound to Tottenham Court Road"

However, I've named a lot of platforms like this (corresponding
example) "Holborn
- Central Line - Westbound - Platform 1", whcih is what's written on the
platform signage. Is there a reason to use this naming?

Basically, for the user, having a correspondence between the signage and
map is desirable, and I do think this is important in terms of searching
for items (and makes it more usable for visually impaired users): E.g. a
search for Holborn needs to give the users the entrances and platforms to a
station (so that they can go from the entrance to the platform), see here
http://bjohas.de/wiki/Maps/Transport_for_London/tags (and so a similar
naming scheme should be used).

Also, on a personal note, I've named a number of platforms in that way (see
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/232224387/history in the above case) and
it's a shame that this information is changed in favour of a less
informative (and IMHO less usable) name. :)

(2) Are you going to add step-free accessibility to each entrance tag? It
would be amazing if you did. As a user, it's helpful to know that a station
is accessible step-free, but it's even better to know to which entrance
this applies. For some large stations, the step-free entrance may be a way
away from other (non-step-free) entrances. (For some stats, see
http://bjohas.de/wiki/Maps/Transport_for_London/Map_Challenge_1_-_underground_entrances
.)

(3) As a general request, probably beyond scope: At the moment the tube
lines themselves are mapped, but often don't follow the tagging guidelines
(e.g. for relations), and cannot be used for routing (
http://bjohas.de/wiki/Maps/Transport_for_London). I would love for somebody
to fix this. I've done some of it myself, but it's long-winded. Maybe TfL
could encourage us to get together for a mapathon, to celebrate the station
maps, and then we fix the network too. That would mean you could actually
route from street-level at one station, through to street level at another,
would would be great.

Let me know what you think!
Bjoern


On 13 March 2018 at 09:45, Chapple Theo  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Further to my earlier message, I’m pleased to inform you that TfL’s
> supplier, Mentz, has added the data to OSM to map the first batch of TfL
> stations:
>
> -  North Greenwich
>
> -  Aldgate East
>
> -  Tottenham Court Road
>
> -  Canning Town
>
> -  Elephant and Castle
>
> -  Canada Water
>
> -  Farringdon
>
> -  Holborn
>
> -  Belsize Park
>
> -  Bank
>
> -  Arsenal
>
> -  Notting Hill Gate
>
> -   Euston Square
>
> -   Great Portland Street
>
> -   Hammersmith
>
> We will be adding more stations over the coming days. Please do let us
> know if you have any comments on questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Theo
>
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Re: [OSRM-talk] Does osrm-routing deal only with ordered points

[Nico Aymet]

Yes, you are right.
I'm sorry I give you an old link, here the current version documentation:
http://project-osrm.org/docs/v5.15.2/api/#trip-service

The route service finds the fastest route between coordinates *in the
supplied order*.

The trip plugin solves (try to) the *Traveling Salesman Problem. *(I think
it's what you need)
Please keep in mind the roundtrip option (route returns to first location)
In the last version there are two new option source/destination if you want
to fix the first and the last point and reorder the others, otherwise the
service use the supplied points in any order to reach the goal. (please
follow the supported combinations of roundtrip, source and destination
according to the table)

Rgds

Nico Aymet

2018-03-13 22:38 GMT+00:00 Xavier Prudent :

> Hello Nico,
>
> Thanks for that fast answer,
> So if I understand well, the route service expects an order, while the
> trip service can estimate this order, right?
>
> Regards,
> Xavier
>
> 2018-03-13 18:28 GMT-04:00 Nico Aymet :
>
>> Hi Xavier,
>> you can use the trip service:
>>
>> http://project-osrm.org/docs/v5.5.1/api/#trip-service
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> Nico Aymet
>>
>> 2018-03-13 22:09 GMT+00:00 Xavier Prudent :
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Given 4 points A,B,C,D
>>> osrm makes a nice job searching for a route that goes through A->B->C->D.
>>>
>>> Is that also able to estimate the optimal ordering, not necessarily the
>>> given one?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu OSM des Parcs naturels régionaux (PNR)

[marc marc]

Bonsoir,

je n'ai pas en mémoire tous le détail de la discussion,
je me suis contenté de relire l'histoire si dessous et les 2 changesets.
si c'est un problème de rendu (ce que semble dire Michael),
même s'il ne faut pas tager pour le rendu, il me semble contre productif 
de virer un tag "ancienne façon" tant que le nouveau schéma est en cours 
de discussion non ?
Parce que sinon on peux pas reprocher à qlq d'ajouter un tag fonctionnel 
s'il est exact juste parce qu'un nouveau tag coexiste.
je pense que cela aurait été utile d'en parler sur taging et/ou dans les 
autres communautés locale avant de faire une modif hors France

Le 13. 03. 18 à 22:58, Romain MEHUT a écrit :
> Bonsoir,
> 
> Pour info, j'avais retiré le tag leisure=nature_reserve des PNR et un 
> suisse s'est étonné que les parcs suisses soient concernés cf. 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/54635498 puis 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57157508 
> 
> 
> Romain
> 
> Le 11 décembre 2017 à 14:51, Delphine Montagne 
> > a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour,
> M'étant occupée un temps de la couche de la couche des PNR de
> l'INPN, je me permets de compléter si besoin : ces données sont
> transmises par l'un des géomaticiens des PNR et vérifiées/validées
> au MNHN. Les données sont créées à partir de la base des communes de
> l'IGN, sur les données de la fédé des PNR pour les communes pour
> parties en PNR et en s'appuyant sur les textes légaux parus au
> journal officiel. Les données sont donc à jour d'un point de vue
> légal et l'on peut s'appuyer dessus... Jusqu'à la prochaine mise à
> jour, normalement en début d'année ou juste après.
> Plus d'infos :
> https://inpn.mnhn.fr/programme/espaces-proteges/protections-contractuelles
> 
> 
> Bien cordialement,
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> Le 11 décembre 2017 à 14:32, Jérôme Amagat  > a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> Le 8 décembre 2017 à 19:56, Christian Quest
> > a écrit :
> 
> Si tu veux juste avoir la liste des parcs, sans leur
> géométrie, pour regarder leur tags, il y a plus light comme
> requête: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tF4
> 
> 
> J'ai aussi viré les node et way car je doute que ça soit
> utile ici, on ne doit avoir que des relations.
> 
> 
> ha oui c'est mieux !
> 
> par contre pour les géométrie :
> on peut trouver les géométrie des espace protégé français là :
> https://inpn.mnhn.fr/telechargement/cartes-et-information-geographique
> 
> 
> et il y a des petites différences pour certains parcs, des
> communes qui ont du rejoindre ou quitter le parc.
> 
> Je pense pas par contre que le tag leisure=nature_reserve
> convient aux parcs naturels régionaux. c'est assez éloigné des
> réserves naturels.
> 
> 
> Le 8 décembre 2017 à 19:41, Jérôme Amagat
> > a
> écrit :
> 
> Les parcs sont apparus parce que quelqu'un a ajouté sur
> ces parcs le tag leisure=nature_reserve qui est rendu.
> il n'est pas sur tout les parcs régionaux de osm et je
> ne sais pas si tous existent dans osm.
> 
> on peut avoir les parcs dans osm avec overpass turbo :
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tEY
> par contre si vous appuyé sur exécuter c'est long, plus
> de 100 mb de données
> 
> Le 8 décembre 2017 à 18:30, Patrice Krupka
>  > a écrit :
> 
> Le 08/12/2017 à 16:18, Sylvain M a écrit :
>  > (re) Bonjour à tous,
>  >
>  > J'ai eu la bonne surprise de constater dans le
> rendu OSM Standard ("Mapnik"
>  > je crois qu'on peut dire) que les Parcs naturels
> régionaux étaient apparus
>  > [1].
>  > En tant que géomaticien dans un Parc, c'était une
> bonne nouvelle pour moi.
>  >
> Pas tous. Par exemple, le parc naturel régional des
> Causses du Quercy
> n'y est pas. Mais je n'ai pas encore les compétences
> pour le rajouter,
> devant prendre en compte les limites 

[Talk-GB] recent School ref:edubase update

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the detailed response about the edubase update. Sounds like you
took a sensible approach when making these updates (e.g. avoiding the
complex cases such as mergers).

You make a good point about name inconsistency and data supplier. Like you,
I have found "name" inconsistencies across school's signs, websites, logos
and so on. It is a good reminder that in a lot of places those people
putting up a "name" outside a venue or on a website are more concerned
about describing it than using some official or legal name. If we go back
far enough this is how roads obtained their name - that is, they start out
as a description (such as Church Road) and we only consider them as
official names now due to government intervention.

This brings me on to the data supplier. Personally I'm happy to see us
using the names provided by the schools to Edubase. They are obviously not
lacking local knowledge so are very much like any other OSM contributor,
just that they don't contribute directly to OSM instead their data comes
via a third party.

Finally to our "ground truth" rule. Whilst easy to explain as desirable it
does come with problems. We see cases of the same thing having different
names (e.g. at different ends of the street) or a shop rebrand happening
quicker on all their online material than they can physically achieve on
the store front (e.g. Wilkinson to Wilko). We also have loads of open data
available to us now so one of the reasons for "ground truth", namely to
stop people copying data and the "Easter eggs" this contain, is less
relevant. As such if we have reason to believe that the "name" displayed on
the ground is more a description than a name or represents old branding
that will shortly be removed, then we should consider all available data
source options. Obviously if the sources show radically different things
then we need to investigate further an make use of the alt_name tag if
required.

Hopefully this made some sense. Turned out to be a lot longer than I
originally expected so sorry if you struggled to follow.

P.S Hope the weather is not putting too many people off getting out there
to collect the ground data. It feels like it's been a long and cold winter
this year.

Best regards,

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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[demon.box]

dieterdreist wrote
> Io proporrei 2 tag:
> 
> historic=artefact
> 
> oppure 
> 
> historic=wayside_attraction
> 
> preferisco il primo 

ciao Martin, a me va bene (andrebbe bene) tutto, sia historic=artefact che
historic=wayside_attraction che qualcos'altro ma il problema vero è che da
questi scambi di idee non nasce mai niente di concreto e quindi tutto rimane
com'è con i suoi pregi e difetti...

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[OSRM-talk] Does osrm-routing deal only with ordered points

[Xavier Prudent]

Dear all,

Given 4 points A,B,C,D
osrm makes a nice job searching for a route that goes through A->B->C->D.

Is that also able to estimate the optimal ordering, not necessarily the
given one?

Regards,

Xavier

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rendu OSM des Parcs naturels régionaux (PNR)

[Romain MEHUT]

Bonsoir,

Pour info, j'avais retiré le tag leisure=nature_reserve des PNR et un
suisse s'est étonné que les parcs suisses soient concernés cf.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/54635498 puis
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57157508

Romain

Le 11 décembre 2017 à 14:51, Delphine Montagne 
a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> M'étant occupée un temps de la couche de la couche des PNR de l'INPN, je
> me permets de compléter si besoin : ces données sont transmises par l'un
> des géomaticiens des PNR et vérifiées/validées au MNHN. Les données sont
> créées à partir de la base des communes de l'IGN, sur les données de la
> fédé des PNR pour les communes pour parties en PNR et en s'appuyant sur les
> textes légaux parus au journal officiel. Les données sont donc à jour d'un
> point de vue légal et l'on peut s'appuyer dessus... Jusqu'à la prochaine
> mise à jour, normalement en début d'année ou juste après.
> Plus d'infos : https://inpn.mnhn.fr/programme
> /espaces-proteges/protections-contractuelles
> Bien cordialement,
>
> --
> D.MONTAGNE
>
> Le 11 décembre 2017 à 14:32, Jérôme Amagat  a
> écrit :
>
>>
>>
>> Le 8 décembre 2017 à 19:56, Christian Quest  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Si tu veux juste avoir la liste des parcs, sans leur géométrie, pour
>>> regarder leur tags, il y a plus light comme requête:
>>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tF4
>>>
>>> J'ai aussi viré les node et way car je doute que ça soit utile ici, on
>>> ne doit avoir que des relations.
>>>
>>
>> ha oui c'est mieux !
>>
>> par contre pour les géométrie :
>> on peut trouver les géométrie des espace protégé français là :
>> https://inpn.mnhn.fr/telechargement/cartes-et-information-geographique
>> et il y a des petites différences pour certains parcs, des communes qui
>> ont du rejoindre ou quitter le parc.
>>
>> Je pense pas par contre que le tag leisure=nature_reserve convient aux
>> parcs naturels régionaux. c'est assez éloigné des réserves naturels.
>>
>>
>>> Le 8 décembre 2017 à 19:41, Jérôme Amagat  a
>>> écrit :
>>>
 Les parcs sont apparus parce que quelqu'un a ajouté sur ces parcs le
 tag leisure=nature_reserve qui est rendu.
 il n'est pas sur tout les parcs régionaux de osm et je ne sais pas si
 tous existent dans osm.

 on peut avoir les parcs dans osm avec overpass turbo :
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/tEY
 par contre si vous appuyé sur exécuter c'est long, plus de 100 mb de
 données

 Le 8 décembre 2017 à 18:30, Patrice Krupka 
 a écrit :

> Le 08/12/2017 à 16:18, Sylvain M a écrit :
> > (re) Bonjour à tous,
> >
> > J'ai eu la bonne surprise de constater dans le rendu OSM Standard
> ("Mapnik"
> > je crois qu'on peut dire) que les Parcs naturels régionaux étaient
> apparus
> > [1].
> > En tant que géomaticien dans un Parc, c'était une bonne nouvelle
> pour moi.
> >
> Pas tous. Par exemple, le parc naturel régional des Causses du Quercy
> n'y est pas. Mais je n'ai pas encore les compétences pour le rajouter,
> devant prendre en compte les limites de communes pour son contour.
> Patrice Krupka
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Re: [OSM-ja] JOSMとJava

[Kenichiro MATOHARA]

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matohara@鹿児島です．

Linux環境ですが以前よりOpenJDKを利用しています．
Debian sid amd64/Ubuntu 16.04 LTS ARM64環境では以下のような感じで動いています．

- 
OpenJDKのインストール(8以降)
$ sudo apt install openjdk-8-jre

javaの確認
$ java -version
openjdk version "1.8.0_151"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_151-8u151-b12-0ubuntu0.16.04.2-b12)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.151-b12, mixed mode)

javaが複数入っていてjava -versionコマンドの結果が想定しているバージョンではない場合切り替える
$ sudo update-alternatives --config java

JOSM起動(`-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on`フォントのアンチエイリアス有効)
$ java -jar -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=on ./josm-latest.jar
- 

以上，参考までに．
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2018年3月14日 00:39, "Taro Matsuzawa"  wrote:

> 松澤です。
>
> 是非試していただきたいです。
> 現状のJavaをアンインストールしていただいて、
> 代わりにOpenJDKを入れてみて試してください。
>
> ではでは。
>
> On 2018/03/13 22:13, ribbon wrote:
>
>> JOSMが使うJava、Windows環境だとOracle Javaですよね。でも、Oracleの
>> Java提供方針が変わり、今後は無料で使えるものは、OpenJDKを選ぶしか
>> なくなります(Java 11から)。
>>
>> Windows版のOpenJDKで、JOSMは動くのでしょうか?
>>
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[Talk-cz] osmcz-app v0.21

[Pavel Zbytovský]

Ahoj,

připravil jsem nové vydání v0.21, kde jsou některé příjemné změny:

   1. linkování domů zobrazuje těžiště (nikoliv první node jako dosud) [3]

   2. vlastní marker dostal GUI - po kliku na souřadnice vlevo dole je zde
   tlačítko "vytvořit značku"

   3. npress stránky můžou přepsat výchozí zobrazení mapy (tj. třeba
   stránka školen ukáže marker s pozicí) [4]

+ malé úpravy: OpenTopoMap maxzoom + úpravy šablon (třeba už je vidět celá
404 Not found stránka)

Testovat možno na: https://devosm.zby.cz/
Commity zde [1][2], pokud se nikdo neozve s chybou, zítra bych to poslal na
produkci.

Pavel


[1] https://github.com/osmcz/osmcz/compare/v0.20...v0.21
[2]
https://github.com/osmcz/osmcz-web/compare/osmcz:deploy_20180108...osmcz:devosm

[3] https://devosm.zby.cz/way/100959765
[4] https://devosm.zby.cz/skoleni/brezen18
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Re: [Talk-GB] 360 degree camera rental

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

Here is some photos I took and uploaded using it:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=50.705337778=-3.07047277809=17=photo%5B%5D=havana=U-XqqqaCkPOYj49wKBO8rA=0.9232331087964709=0.5394137231151839=0

Here are a collection of indoor and outdoor photos taken on a brighter day:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:360_panoramics_in_Bexhill-on-Sea

Will bring it along to the the AGM unless it is out on rental. But given
that this is a while off we have time to hire it out beforehand. There are
instructions on the website and you can off course ask me more questions.

https://osmuk.org/360-degree-camera-rental/

Cheers,
Rob


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On 9 March 2018 at 20:42, Dave F  wrote:

> Do you have a link to the upload, so we can see what it's like?
>
> DaveF
>
>
>
> On 06/03/2018 12:39, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As the last of the snow melts and we enter Spring, how about some 360
> degree photo mapping? To rent the OSM UK camera please see:
> https://osmuk.org/360-degree-camera-rental/
>
> Best regards,
> Rob
>
> P.s. first outing was a success :-)
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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 13. Mar 2018, at 18:24, Aury88  wrote:
> 
> ecco che
> il concetto così espresso può venire epurato dalla imperfezione introdotta
> dall'uomo lasciando all'oggetto stesso, al frutto e fine ultimo dell'ingegno
> e del sudore, il compito di rappresentare e richiamare la fatica che si cela
> dietro il suo compimento e ad assurgere così ad un'idea di perfezione...
> l'oggetto e la sua idea come punto di partenza e di arrivo, 'alfa e
> l'omega...e bla bla bla tutto il resto che potrebbe propinare un qualsiasi
> "esperto" ben pagato davanti anche ad un arredamento ikea ;-)


appunto, si vuole qualcuno (l’artista) che pretende, ed un pubblico che lo 
segue. Io non faccio una discussione sulla “vera arte” e quella “meno 
importante” o “non più arte”, per me chiunque reclama di produrre arte per me 
va bene, ma se non c’è artista...

Io proporrei 2 tag:

historic=artefact

oppure 

historic=wayside_attraction

preferisco il primo 

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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 13. Mar 2018, at 11:11, demon.box  wrote:
> 
> comunque il mio pensiero Martin è di considerare il significato
> tourism=attraction e tourism=artwork un po' più ampio di quello che dici tu
> nel senso che il nostro belpaese è disseminato di molteplici
> micro-attrazioni turistiche o meglio magari oggetti di interesse di valore
> culturale e soprattutto storico che secondo me (non saprei come altro
> definirli) meritano il tag tourism=attraction


oggetti di valore culturale per me meritano essere mappati, ma non essendo ne 
attrazione turistica ne opere d’arte, penso che dovresti usare altri tag. Non è 
solo un’interpretazione “un po’ ampio”, sarebbe parecchio ampio.


> e per analogia lo stesso
> identico ragionamento vale per tourism=artwork.
> capisco che nessun decida magari di progettare un viaggio per venire a
> vedere una vecchia ruota di un mulino ma di fatto per il turista che ci
> passa davanti, secondo me, è a pieno titolo un tourism=attraction
> mi riferisco ad una vecchi ruota di un mulino, un vecchio attrezzo da
> lavoro, una vecchia molazza di una cartiera, ecc.


un mulino potrebbe essere un’attrazione turistica (dipende dal mulino e 
talvolta dal contesto. Se vicino non ci sono tante altre cose più attraenti, ci 
si visita anche il mulino ;-) ). Forse alcuni oggetti possono essere visti come 
memorial (della vecchia funzione, p.es. c’è una tavola con informazioni), ma la 
maggior parte dovrebbe essere classificato diversamente. Io non metto molto 
spesso tourism=attraction, e quasi mai come unico tag di classificazione. 
Concordo che il tag lascia spazio per interpretazioni, ma un macchinario antico 
in mezzo ad una rotatoria difficilmente diventa un’attrazione turistica, quando 
si tratta invece di un museo all’aria aperta la situazione potrebbe cambiare.


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Re: [Talk-gb-london] Transport for London & OSM - station mapping project

[Thomas Wood]

These are showing up quite nicely on the map. Holborn is quite impressive!
(Although appears to be rendering above the buildings on street level?)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.51733/-0.11991

On 13 March 2018 at 10:05, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm pretty sure Kilburn station was done too!:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56962277
>
> cheers,
> Derick
>
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018, Chapple Theo wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone
> > Further to my earlier message, I'm pleased to inform you that TfL's
> supplier, Mentz, has added the data to OSM to map the first batch of TfL
> stations:
> >
> > -  North Greenwich
> >
> > -  Aldgate East
> >
> > -  Tottenham Court Road
> >
> > -  Canning Town
> >
> > -  Elephant and Castle
> >
> > -  Canada Water
> >
> > -  Farringdon
> >
> > -  Holborn
> >
> > -  Belsize Park
> >
> > -  Bank
> >
> > -  Arsenal
> >
> > -  Notting Hill Gate
> >
> > -   Euston Square
> >
> > -   Great Portland Street
> >
> > -   Hammersmith
> >
> > We will be adding more stations over the coming days. Please do let us
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> > Thanks,
> > Theo
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetComplete et OSMAnd, mise à jour aléatoire ?

[osm . sanspourriel]

J'ai mis à jour les versions, on a maintenant les mêmes.

OSMAnd :

La région de Bordeaux n'était pas chargée chez moi (le SOTM ce n'est pas 
de suite ;-)).


Je vois bien le bar dont tu parles, je vois aussi un shop=vacant 
 au 18, ancienne 
boulangerie représentée dans OSMand comme un magasin généraliste, pb 
classique de la non utilisation de préfixe de cycle de vie.


N'est ce pas ça que tu prends pour l'ex Vival ?
Le rendu sur OSMAnd c'est un panier de courses.

StreetComplete :
Sur StreetComplete (là encore pas de truc en cache), je ne vois rien.

Tu n'as pas lancé une requête en plus ? Un problème de carte antique ?

Le 13/03/2018 à 12:33, Rpnpif - rpn...@trob.eu a écrit :

Le 13 mars 2018, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :


Bonjour,

Sachant que j'ai fait les mises à jour de StreetComplete et osmand,
comment expliquer ces résultats :

   * ici https://osm.org/go/b~~SGMriD?m= il y a un bar
   * dans osmand j'ai le bar (ajouté il y a 2 mois) et un Vival (effacé
 il y a 10 mois)
   * dans streetcomplete je n'ai que le Vival ?

Quelqu'un-e peut me confirmer être dans la même situation ? Ou est ce un
problème de mon coté sur OsmAnd (version 2.9.3) et StreetComplete
(version 4).

Bonjour,

Osmand, met ses cartes à jour vers le premier de chaque mois. Il est
possible d'utiliser l'extension Osmand Live qui se met à jour toutes les
demi-heures sauf sur certains attributs comme les vitesses routières.
Osmand Live n'est pas toujours très fiable sur certains attributs.

Il est possible que des tuiles anciennes soient stockées sur le
portable et non mises à jour. Je conseillerais de les effacer dans le
menu d'Osmand, ce que je fais chaque début de mois en mettant à jour
les cartes principales.

Les cartes de Streetcomplete ne sont pas à jour chez moi. Je ne
l'utiliserai pas.



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[Talk-cz] konec Strava heatmap?

[Milan Cerny]

Strava se, jak se zdá, rozhodla omezit zobrazení heatmap.
Neomezeně je nově k dispozici jen do zoomu 12, detailněji jen po přihlášení na 
stránce Stravy.
Bohužel se to týká i podkladů pro OSM editory, veškeré detaily jsou pryč. 
Škoda, byl to šikovný nástroj.

Milan

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Re: [Talk-cl] Comunidad

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Hola Diego,

Entiendo que el concurso de Mapbox está abierto a nivel mundial, todos
pueden inscribirse y ellos avisarán más adelante cuales son los detalles
del desafío.

Respecto de la pregunta, estimo que no hay un "conducto regular" para
organizar algo de este tipo, y a menos que haya algo muy raro en el planteo
del proyecto, el directorio de la fundación debiera mostrarse a favor.
Particularmente si quien quiere organizar esto se preocupa de conseguir el
apoyo de las empresas interesadas.

Saludos,

Julio Costa Zambelli
Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile

julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl

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2018-03-13 14:41 GMT-03:00 Diego Correa Tristain :

> Hola, OSM CL !
>
> Hace poco me llegó la información de una actividad que realiza mapbox como
> forma de promoción y convocatoria para usar sus sistemas.
> Me preguntaba en relación a dar impulso a la colaboración territorial con
> OSM si este tipo de actividad es de interés y apoyo a realizar por parte de
> la directiva del capítulo para abrir la participación.
>
> https://www.mapbox.com/map-madness/?utm_source=mapmadannounce_medium=
> email_content=map-mad-land_campaign=mapmadannounce
>
> Concretamente ; "Cual sería el conducto regular que permita organizar una
> actividad de este tipo y quién podría otorgar y extender las facultades
> para realizar esta con el apoyo de OSM CL ?"
>
> Estoy pensando en una actividad de tipo lúdica (digital) abierta a todo
> tipo de personas con auspicio y premios de empresas interesadas.
>
> saluda cordialmente,
>
> Diego Correa T.
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Re: [Talk-GB] 360 degree camera rental

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri, 2018-03-09 at 20:42 +, Dave F wrote:
> Do you have a link to the upload, so we can see what it's like?
> 
It would be good if you could bring it along to the AGM in Manchester
so that we can see what it is like and what it does.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-it] Tagging di corsie ciclopedonali

[Volker Schmidt]

cycleway:foot=designated
>
> è suggerito in fondo a questa pagina:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway
>

Questo mi era scappato, grazie.
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Re: [Talk-it] Tagging di corsie ciclopedonali

[Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi]

Il giorno mar, 13/03/2018 alle 18.08 +0100, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:
> Come si taggano corsie ciclopedonali condivise su entrambi lati di
> una strada.
> Vedi [1]
> So come taggare corsie ciclabili (per il codice della Strada: "piste
> ciclabili su corsia riservata in carreggiata"):
> highway=xx
> cycleway:right=lane
> cycleway:left=lane
> Penso di sapere come taggare i rispettivi sensi unici per bici sulle
> corsie
> 
> oneway:bicycle:right=yes (?)
> oneway:bicycle:left=-1 (?)
> Questa strada ha una corsia su ogni lato che è condivisa fra pedoni
> (bidirezionale) e bici (senso unico)
> footway:right=lane 
> footway:left=lane
> segregated:right=no (???)
> segregated:left=no (???)
> 
> [1] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/1ZqLuknFBKwO4fDCyniAig
> 

cycleway:foot=designated


è suggerito in fondo a questa pagina:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway


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Re: [Talk-cz] Schránky - statistiky (aka progress meter ;) )

[Miroslav Suchy]

Dne 24.2.2018 v 08:18 Marián Kyral napsal(a):
> 
> Mirku, můžeš to prosím vyreklamovat? ;-)


Preposlal jsem. Sorry za zdrzeni.

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[Aury88]

dieterdreist wrote
> sent from a phone
> 
>> On 13. Mar 2018, at 07:48, Aury88 

> spacedriver88@

>  wrote:
>> 
>> sono messi li per abbellimento come una qualsiasi scultura, non per la
>> loro
>> originaria funzionalità.
> 
> 
> 
> si, sono lì per abbellimento, ma un artwork è più di abbellimento, viene
> creato per esprimere un’idea.
> 
> Io sono contrario all’idea di classificare come arte cose che non sono
> intese come arte e non svolgono ruoli di arte.
> 
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e infatti non ho mai parlato di artwork, anche se, fossi costretto a
scegliere, tra man_made e artwork preferisco il secondo...

e poi scusami, un ex macchinario non può esprime anch'esso un'idea? un
richiamo nostalgico alla laboriosità degi avi o alle tradizioni
manifatturiere di una località proprio come potrebbe esprimerlo una statua
rappresentante una persona nell'atto di realizzare quel manufatto?  ecco che
il concetto così espresso può venire epurato dalla imperfezione introdotta
dall'uomo lasciando all'oggetto stesso, al frutto e fine ultimo dell'ingegno
e del sudore, il compito di rappresentare e richiamare la fatica che si cela
dietro il suo compimento e ad assurgere così ad un'idea di perfezione...
l'oggetto e la sua idea come punto di partenza e di arrivo, 'alfa e
l'omega...e bla bla bla tutto il resto che potrebbe propinare un qualsiasi
"esperto" ben pagato davanti anche ad un arredamento ikea ;-)

temo che a questo punto serva spiegare sulla wiki da che punto si smette di
parlare di abbellimento/arredamento e si può cominciare a parlare di
arte;conosco artisti che al riguardo ti risponderebbero che l'arte comincia
la dove finisce l'utilità pratica  xD



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Re: [Talk-it] Tagging di corsie ciclopedonali

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 13/03/2018 18:08, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:

Come si taggano corsie ciclopedonali condivise su entrambi lati di una
strada.
Vedi [1]
So come taggare corsie ciclabili (per il codice della Strada: "piste
ciclabili su corsia riservata in carreggiata"):
highway=xx
cycleway:right=lane
cycleway:left=lane
Penso di sapere come taggare i rispettivi sensi unici per bici sulle corsie
oneway:bicycle:right=yes (?)
oneway:bicycle:left=-1 (?)
Questa strada ha una corsia su ogni lato che è condivisa fra pedoni
(bidirezionale) e bici (senso unico)
footway:right=lane
footway:left=lane
segregated:right=no (???)
segregated:left=no (???)

[1] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/1ZqLuknFBKwO4fDCyniAig

Sono a senso unico quindi punterei su oneway, senza segregated, perchè 
non vedo limitazioni come barriere, solo semplici strisce.


oneway:bicycle:right=yes (si presuppone la traccia vada avanti come la foto)

oneway:bicycle:lift=-1

oneway:foot:right=yes (anche i pedoni devono rispettare il senso unico?)

oneway:foot:left=-1

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[Diversity-talk] #LasCallesDeLasMujeres Geochicas new project

[Selene Yang]

Hi, everyone! I wanted to share with you the latest project from Geochicas
(women from Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Bolivia, Argentina and Spain contributed
on this first stage), it's called #LasCallesDeLasMujeres (The streets of
women). We created a map that shows streets named after women with their
respective Wikipedia article.

We want to visualice the amount of streets named after a women in the major
cities in Latin America and also if there's a wiki page after them, if
there's nothing written about them, we ask for contributions to the
community for this.  We're collecting the data from OSM and Wikipedia (it
doesn't have to be an article written in Spanish). We're on beta stage, so
if you have any comments, please send them to me, the'll be really
appreciated.

https://geochicasosm.github.io/lascallesdelasmujeres/

Best,

Sele



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[Talk-it] Tagging di corsie ciclopedonali

[Volker Schmidt]

Come si taggano corsie ciclopedonali condivise su entrambi lati di una
strada.
Vedi [1]
So come taggare corsie ciclabili (per il codice della Strada: "piste
ciclabili su corsia riservata in carreggiata"):
highway=xx
cycleway:right=lane
cycleway:left=lane
Penso di sapere come taggare i rispettivi sensi unici per bici sulle corsie
oneway:bicycle:right=yes (?)
oneway:bicycle:left=-1 (?)
Questa strada ha una corsia su ogni lato che è condivisa fra pedoni
(bidirezionale) e bici (senso unico)
footway:right=lane
footway:left=lane
segregated:right=no (???)
segregated:left=no (???)

[1] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/1ZqLuknFBKwO4fDCyniAig
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Re: [Talk-lt] Garmin žemėlapis

[Kostas]

Kartais naujai sugeneruotame žemėlapyje netrūksta gabalo Lietuvos? Nes 
man tai nerodo, ir žemėlapio dydis mažesnis...



On 2018-03-13 12:12, Tomas Straupis wrote:

Ačiū už naudingus pastebėjimus!

2018 m. kovo 12 d. 23:44, Mindaugas rašė:

3. Randa ne visus namus, kurie yra OSM. Pvz., Laisvės al. randa tik
25, 28, 47, 61, 65, 72, 76, 83, 92, 94, 97, 98, 99, 99, 101, nors OSM
matau ir 42, 44, 50, 50A, 56, 58, etc.


  Šitas labai keistas. Nes tarkim 25 ir 44 yra identiški objektai: abu
poligonai, abi turi tik building ir tris adreso žymas, abu panašiu
atstumu nuo Laisvės alėjos kelio, abu Kauno administracinėse ribose.


4. Randa ne visus miestus/kaimus, pvz. neranda Seredžius.


  Seredžius neturi nei vieno adreso. Todėl jo nėra indekse.


5. Yra gatvių (kadangi parenkamos iš sąrašo, galima tą pastebėti)
kurios prasideda skaičiais. Pvz. "130 Gimnazijos G." ir vienintelis
šioje gatvėje rastas namas yra 3 atitinka Gimnazijos g. 3, Kaunas.
Kaune gatvės prasideda tik skaičiais 130, 139, 141, 222. Yra netgi
adresas 139 20, Kaunas (kur 139 yra gatvės pavadinimas, 20 yra namo
numeris) @ 54.84993 23.96661. Tačiau tokiom koordinatėm nėra jokio
objekto. Kituose miestuose yra gatvių prasidedančių kitais skaičiais
ar sudarytų vien iš skaičių.


  Prie gatvės pavadinimų anksčiau buvo pridedamas ir kelio numeris
(ref žyma). Gimnazijos gatvė yra kelias su ref=130.


Pastebėjau, kad yra
https://github.com/openstreetmap/mkgmap/blob/master/doc/addresses/address.txt
kuriame yra informacijos kitokios nei
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/help/options - gal kažką
galima išskaityti naudingo...


  Peržiūrėjau, viskas atitinka.

  Atnaujinau mkgmap versiją ir taisykles (taisyklėse mačiau keitėsi
kažkas su ref'ais, tai gali įtakoti „130 Gimntazijos g.“.).
  Žemėlapis pergeneruotas (garmin.openmap.lt), tai būtų puiku prie
progos vėl patestuoti.

  Ačiū


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Re: [OSM-ja] JOSMとJava

[Taro Matsuzawa]

松澤です。

是非試していただきたいです。
現状のJavaをアンインストールしていただいて、
代わりにOpenJDKを入れてみて試してください。

ではでは。

On 2018/03/13 22:13, ribbon wrote:

JOSMが使うJava、Windows環境だとOracle Javaですよね。でも、Oracleの
Java提供方針が変わり、今後は無料で使えるものは、OpenJDKを選ぶしか
なくなります(Java 11から)。

Windows版のOpenJDKで、JOSMは動くのでしょうか?

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Re: [Talk-cz] dotaz k Osmhicheck

[Jakub Jelen]

Koukam, ze je to tam nejake pochybne -- odkaz se otevira ve skrytem iframe,
coz se nemusi libit nekterym bezpecnostnim funkcim modernich prohlizecu
(zvlast, kdyz je to localhost adresa)

Kliknutim prostrednim tlacitkem otevre odkaz v novem panelu/okne a to mi
nacte trasu rovnou do JOSM (samozrejme po povoleni "dalkoveho ovladani").

Jakub

2018-03-13 15:30 GMT+01:00 Zdeněk Pražák :

> chtěl jsem opravit několik turistických tras na stránce
> https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/OsmHiCheck/tables/index.php?pg=table=all
> V minulosti to fungovalo tak, že po kliknutí na id trasy v tabulce se
> trasa otevřela v JOSM
> toto mi nyní nefunguje
> co mám dělat pro obnovení uvedeného chování
> Pražák
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Re: [Talk-it] import numeri civici Regione Toscana

[Alessandro Palmas]

Riprendo questo vecchio topic rimasto dormiente.
Posto che andrebbe discusso come non perdere l'informazione sui passi 
carrabili (ma vehicle sui punti non si può usare, magari aggiungiamo 
description), chiedo alla comunità di riprendere la discussione e 
aiutarmi nel perfezionare la pagina wiki.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Toscana_import_numeri_civici_2017

Al termine della discussione potremmo chiedere alla regione se ci 
converte le coordinate.


Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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[Talk-cz] dotaz k Osmhicheck

[Zdeněk Pražák]

chtěl jsem opravit několik turistických tras na stránce https://osm.fit.
vutbr.cz/OsmHiCheck/tables/index.php?pg=table=all
V minulosti to fungovalo tak, že po kliknutí na id trasy v tabulce se trasa
otevřela v JOSM
toto mi nyní nefunguje
co mám dělat pro obnovení uvedeného chování
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] Villes et terres Agricoles

[FR]

Le 13/03/2018 à 10:29, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :

Merci pour vos retours :)

je pensais également au jardin partagé

une requête overpass (sur farmland, vineyard et allotements) me rassure 
et me permettra de montrer qu'il y a de quoi déjà dans OSM !!!


et vos exemples me permettront d'illustrer !


Bonjour

Carte et liste des jardins partagés et familiaux de Marseille:



Une campagne de mise à jour prévue au printemps (c'est fou maintenant 
pas une seule opération d'aménagement sans son projet de jardin partagé...)
Peut-être aussi un passage sous uMap qui n'existait pas quand j'ai 
commencé la carte.


En parallèle j'ai mis dans OSM tous les "allotement" marseillais mais 
aussi les fermes pédagogiques, le Conservatoire des Restanques, quelques 
zones agricoles subsistant dans le territoire marseillais...  Il y 
aurait un joli chantier à entreprendre à ce sujet si ça branche quelques 
contributrices.teurs (mais pas toujours évident distinguer les zones en 
exploitation des friches liées à de futurs chantiers).


FR




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Re: [Talk-GB] recent School ref:edubase update

[Dave F]

On 13/03/2018 13:57, Mark Goodge wrote:


I think you'll find that the displayed names are the official ones, 
and hence the same as in Edubase. 


But that's the problem. They're not the same.

I've just checked all the schools that I'm personally familiar with in 
my area, and the name shown on OSM is the name that the school has on 
its name board.


Did Robert's update amend any of them?

I appreciate that's a small sample, but it's 100% right on that 
sample. If you can find cases where the school's displayed name 
differs from the OSM name, then by all means edit it to reflect the 
displayed name.


But when Robert updates next time it'll change them again. I don't see 
why I should have to keep on correcting them.



But I don't think that's a good enough reason to revert this bulk edit.

Part of the issue is that schools do change their names quite often, 
particularly when converting to academies, but the old name tends to 
persist in popular usage for some time. Popular usage, though is not 
what's "displayed on the ground" - for that, we have to go by what the 
school has put on its own name board. 


Agree & not take it from a database.

And they are, generally, very good at changing the name boards to 
reflect any changes in their official name.


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Re: [Talk-GB] recent School ref:edubase update

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 13 March 2018 at 12:58, Dave F  wrote:
> Robert Whittaker has recently performed an edit across England & Wales to
> update Schools ref:edubase code.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57034975
>
> As well as the reference, he's amended some of the names in OSM as listed in
> the database. I think this is wrong. Similar to shops & street names etc I
> believe we should should be using the names displayed on the ground.
>
> Robert suggests they are "official names supplied by the school to the DfE"
> Even if true, (I'm not convinced) databases are often manipulated by those
> compiling them. Abbreviating to fit printed column widths can often occur.

You can view details of the changeset at
http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/changeset.jsp?id=57034975

Some background information:

* I believe that the information in Edubase (now
https://get-information-schools.service.gov.uk/ ) is supplied by the
schools themselves, and the name recorded there will be the official
name of the school as far as the Deparment for Education is concerned.
I believe that these are the names that will appear in official
government correspondence and also on Ofsted inspection reports.
Whether or not the school consistently uses them on the ground is
another matter though.

* The Schools amended were those that: (a) had previously been given a
ref:edubase number in OSM, (b) that number no longer corresponded to
an open school in Edubase, (c) Edubase provided an explicit "successor
institution" for that number, (d) the successor institution in Edubase
had a similar name to the current OSM object, and (e) the successor
institution's postcode had a centroid reasonably close to the current
OSM object.

* The idea was to update the ref:edubase numbers on schools which had
legally closed and re-opened on the same site, typically this happens
for schools becoming academies or those changing academy
provider/sponsor. The checks in (d) and (e) above, were designed to
avoid more complicated changes that might involve schools merging or
changing sites, and so would warrant a more through investigation and
tag updating.

* When a school legally changes like this, it can often be accompanied
by a minor change in name, e.g. the addition of the word "Academy" or
the Acadmy Sponsor's name, or the dropping of some previous
qualifications (e.g. grant maintained, or voluntary controlled) that
no longer apply. I therefore took the opportunity to update the names
to the official names recorded on Edubase.

* For the majority of objects in the changeset, the name hasn't
actually been changed. Some of the other changes are trivial things
like the addition or removal of a "." in "St". The other name changes
are then a mix of important things (like adding "Academy") and more
stylistic things (such as whether you include or spell out "CofE").

* Schools are often inconsistent themselves over what they display on
signs, their website, titles, logos/crests and letters to parents. And
any exterior signage or websites may not be up to date, especially
following a legal change.

* I was only changing the names for these schools that are legally new
entities at the same time as updating the ref:edubase tags. I wasn't
planning on any wider bulk changes to the names. Even if you want to
use the on-the-ground-rule to determine the name, given that the
school has recently undergone a legal change, I don't think there's
any reason to suppose that an old name=* value (which may or may not
have been sourced from a ground survey) is more likely to be correct
after the change than the new official name that the school has itself
has recently recorded with the Department for Education.

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] recent School ref:edubase update

[Mark Goodge]

On 13/03/2018 12:58, Dave F wrote:

Hi

Robert Whittaker has recently performed an edit across England & Wales 
to update Schools ref:edubase code.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57034975

As well as the reference, he's amended some of the names in OSM as 
listed in the database. I think this is wrong. Similar to shops & street 
names etc I believe we should should be using the names displayed on the 
ground.


I think you'll find that the displayed names are the official ones, and 
hence the same as in Edubase. I've just checked all the schools that I'm 
personally familiar with in my area, and the name shown on OSM is the 
name that the school has on its name board. I appreciate that's a small 
sample, but it's 100% right on that sample. If you can find cases where 
the school's displayed name differs from the OSM name, then by all means 
edit it to reflect the displayed name. But I don't think that's a good 
enough reason to revert this bulk edit.


Part of the issue is that schools do change their names quite often, 
particularly when converting to academies, but the old name tends to 
persist in popular usage for some time. Popular usage, though is not 
what's "displayed on the ground" - for that, we have to go by what the 
school has put on its own name board. And they are, generally, very good 
at changing the name boards to reflect any changes in their official name.


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Re: [Talk-lv] 17. martā uz valmieru

[Pēteris Brūns]

Laba diena visiem!

Atgādinu par pasākumu. Notikuma vieta un laiks:

Valmiera, Tērbatas iela 10 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/67477369
Ierasties var sākot ar 9:30.
Pusdienlaikā būs sarūpētas uzkodas.
Pasākums plānots līdz 17:00, ja ieskries var arī maķenīt ilgāk.

Būs pieejams internets. Tiem, kam nav sava pārnēsājamā skaitļotāja būs
pieejams arī kāds dators/plānais klients.
Valmieras pilsēta un Kocēnu novads padalīsies ar pieejamajiem datiem
apstrādei un ievietošanai OSM, tos kaut kad drīz apkopošu un uzlikšu
pieejamus uz gisnet.lv servera.

Par pasākumu nedaudz vairāk šeit:

https://www.facebook.com/events/1408122829291647/
https://twitter.com/DevelopValmiera/status/973503342768021504


Priekā un uz tikšanos Valmierā!


2018-02-20 17:35 GMT+02:00 Rihards :

> Nu ko. Sen nav bijis mapping party :)
>
> 17. martā mūs ielūdz Valmiera. Būs brīnišķīgi, ja Tu varēsi ierasties
> pazīmēt, palīdzēt iesācējiem un apskatīt Valmieru.
>
> http://osm.lv/blog/2018/02/openstreetmap-kartesanas-pasakums-valmiera/
>
> Precīza vieta un laiks drīz būs zināmi.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Workshopy/školení OSM - Praha, Brno

[Petr Schönmann]

A bude CWG :)
Neslibuji nic na 100% ale přišel bych na FIT

út 13. 3. 2018 v 12:17 odesílatel Jakub Jelen  napsal:

> Ahoj,
> uz jsem prihlasen na pokrocile, ale klidne prijdu pomoci i na zacatecniky
> do Brna.
>
> Zacatecnicke skoleni jsem absolvoval nekdy v roce 2015  a nyni pravidelne
> pomaham na Missing Maps mapatonech v Brne, takze se zaklady zacatecnikum
> rad pomuzu.
>
> Jakub
>
> 2018-03-13 11:32 GMT+01:00 Pavel Zbytovský :
>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> připravil jsem další sérii školení a to rovnou v Praze i Brně, vždy ve
>> verzi pro začátečníky a pokročilé.
>>
>> - Brno - středa 21. března, 18:00 a 19:45  - MUNI
>> - Praha - úterý 27. března, 18:00 a 19:45  - FIT ČVUT
>>
>> viz: https://openstreetmap.cz/skoleni/brezen18
>>
>> Pokud byste někdo mohl přijít pomoci, byl bych moc rád - v praktické
>> části totiž začátečníci mají za úkol zmapovat své okolí a většinou to
>> potřebují. Minule mi pomáhal třeba Mirek Suchý či Petr Schonman, na
>> pražském OSM-pivu přislíbil účast Milancer.
>>
>> Díky
>> Pavel
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[Talk-de] Einladung OSM Hack Weekend Berlin, 14/15.04.2018

[lars lingner]

Hallo,

nach einem Jahr Auszeit möchten wir wieder zu einem OpenStreetMap Hack
Weekend in Berlin [1][2] einladen. Es wurden neue Räumlichkeiten
gefunden, sehr zentral und sehr gut mit ÖPNV zu erreichen.

Datum: 14./15. April 2018
Ort: mindbox Berlin, Holzmarktstraße 6-9, 10179 Berlin [3]

Die Räume der mindbox sind direkt im S/U-Bahnhof Jannowitzbrücke gelegen.

Für die Planung steht erneut das OSM-Wiki bzw. Meetup zur Verfügung.
Tragt euch bitte dort ein, wenn ihr kommen möchtet.

Vielleicht auch noch interessant: Am Freitag 13.04.2018 findet in Berlin
die pgConf[4]  sowie am Abend der monatliche OSM-Stammtisch [5] statt.


Viele Grüße,

Lars

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Berlin_Hack_Weekend_April_2018
[2] https://www.meetup.com/de-DE/OSM-Berlin-Brandenburg/events/247048865/
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1244345598
[4] http://2018.pgconf.de/
[5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Berlin/Stammtisch



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[OSM-ja] JOSMとJava

[ribbon]

JOSMが使うJava、Windows環境だとOracle Javaですよね。でも、Oracleの
Java提供方針が変わり、今後は無料で使えるものは、OpenJDKを選ぶしか
なくなります(Java 11から)。

Windows版のOpenJDKで、JOSMは動くのでしょうか?

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Re: [Talk-it] itWikiCon 2018 a Como

[Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi]

fatto

2018-03-13 11:05 GMT+02:00 Andreas Lattmann :

> Fatto 
> Ciao a tutti.
>
> Il March 8, 2018 6:01:32 AM UTC, Dario Crespi  ha
> scritto:
> >Ciao a tutti,
> >torno sul tema itWikiCon 2018. Wikimedia Foundation richiede la
> >realizzazione di un questionario da far compilare ai membri della
> >comunità
> >wikipediana e in base alle risposte (ma soprattutto in base al numero
> >di
> >persone che rispondono) valuterà la richiesta di Grant per
> >l'organizzazione.
> >Dato che, come sapete, vorremmo inserire una parte OSM durante
> >itWikiCon,
> >linko anche a voi il questionario, da compilare entro il 20 marzo:
> >https://goo.gl/forms/W8AVvOXRfuSFgQdn1
> >Per la compilazione bastano 12 click.
> >
> >Grazie e buon fine settimana
> >Dario
> >
> >Il 01/mar/2018 18:35, "Dario Crespi"  ha
> >scritto:
> >
> >> Ho preparato una pagina (ancora informale) per raccogliere idee sul
> >> programma. La trovate qui:
> >https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ItWikiCon/2018/
> >> Programma
> >>
> >> Scrivete pure le vostre idee di presentazioni, workshop o altro. Più
> >in là
> >> apriremo invece una call più strutturata, ma almeno intanto
> >raccogliamo le
> >> buone idee :-)
> >>
> >> Dario
> >>
> >> Il giorno 1 marzo 2018 18:06, Dario Crespi 
> >ha
> >> scritto:
> >>
> >>> Beh, grazie a tutti. Effettivamente parlare di programma adesso è un
> >po'
> >>> presto, però prossimamente apriremo una pagina su meta per sondare
> >gli
> >>> interessi e le disponibilità a tenere presentazioni o workshop da
> >parte
> >>> della comunità. Nel frattempo, se volete e se vi sembra
> >un'iniziativa
> >>> meritevole, potete dare il vostro endorsement in fondo alla pagina
> >di
> >>> richiesta del grant: https://meta.wikimedia.
> >>> org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Tremej/itWikiCon2018#Endorsements
> >>>
> >>> Vi aggiornerò su tutti gli sviluppi futuri.
> >>>
> >>> Dario
> >>>
> >>> Il giorno 1 marzo 2018 17:17, Marco Minghini
> >
> >>> ha scritto:
> >>>
>  Ciao Dario, e grazie per le info!
> 
>  L'anno scorso in programma c'era una sessione su OSM tenuta da
> >Maurizio
> > Napolitano (che ringrazio ancora) e sarebbe auspicabile avere
> >qualcosa di
> > ambito mapparo anche quest'anno. Magari una sessione sull'uso di
> >JOSM,
> > prevista l'anno scorso, ma poi trasformata in una panoramica base
> >su OSM,
> > visto che il pubblico aveva poca dimestichezza con lo strumento.
> >Oppure
> > qualcosa sull'integrazione di informazioni OSM/Wikimedia. O magari
> > organizzare un mapping party (o simili) a Como in quell'occasione.
> >Ma per
> > parlare del programma c'è ancora tempo :-)
> >
> > Abitando a Como, mi rendo disponibile a coprire la parte di OSM
> >secondo
>  le necessità!
> 
>  Marco
> 
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[Talk-GB] recent School ref:edubase update

[Dave F]

Hi

Robert Whittaker has recently performed an edit across England & Wales 
to update Schools ref:edubase code.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57034975

As well as the reference, he's amended some of the names in OSM as 
listed in the database. I think this is wrong. Similar to shops & street 
names etc I believe we should should be using the names displayed on the 
ground.


Robert suggests they are "official names supplied by the school to the 
DfE" Even if true, (I'm not convinced) databases are often manipulated 
by those compiling them. Abbreviating to fit printed column widths can 
often occur.


I think this chainset should be reverted & readded updating the 
ref:edubase only. Any thoughts?


DaveF.

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Re: [Talk-hr] DGU registar geografskih imena na data.gov.hr portalu

[Michal Fabík]

2018-03-13 12:50 GMT+01:00 hbogner :
> http://data.gov.hr/dataset/registar-geografskih-imena
>
> može li etko potvrditi da licenca odgovara i da to sad smijemo koristiti za
> OSM?

Ako dobro shvatam, ovdje piše da treba zatražiti dozvolu. Ima i link
na tekst dozvole za pojedine verzije licence.

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data

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Re: [Talk-lt] Garmin žemėlapis

[Tomas Straupis]

Ačiū už naudingus pastebėjimus!

2018 m. kovo 12 d. 23:44, Mindaugas rašė:
> 3. Randa ne visus namus, kurie yra OSM. Pvz., Laisvės al. randa tik
> 25, 28, 47, 61, 65, 72, 76, 83, 92, 94, 97, 98, 99, 99, 101, nors OSM
> matau ir 42, 44, 50, 50A, 56, 58, etc.

  Šitas labai keistas. Nes tarkim 25 ir 44 yra identiški objektai: abu
poligonai, abi turi tik building ir tris adreso žymas, abu panašiu
atstumu nuo Laisvės alėjos kelio, abu Kauno administracinėse ribose.

> 4. Randa ne visus miestus/kaimus, pvz. neranda Seredžius.

  Seredžius neturi nei vieno adreso. Todėl jo nėra indekse.

> 5. Yra gatvių (kadangi parenkamos iš sąrašo, galima tą pastebėti)
> kurios prasideda skaičiais. Pvz. "130 Gimnazijos G." ir vienintelis
> šioje gatvėje rastas namas yra 3 atitinka Gimnazijos g. 3, Kaunas.
> Kaune gatvės prasideda tik skaičiais 130, 139, 141, 222. Yra netgi
> adresas 139 20, Kaunas (kur 139 yra gatvės pavadinimas, 20 yra namo
> numeris) @ 54.84993 23.96661. Tačiau tokiom koordinatėm nėra jokio
> objekto. Kituose miestuose yra gatvių prasidedančių kitais skaičiais
> ar sudarytų vien iš skaičių.

  Prie gatvės pavadinimų anksčiau buvo pridedamas ir kelio numeris
(ref žyma). Gimnazijos gatvė yra kelias su ref=130.

> Pastebėjau, kad yra
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/mkgmap/blob/master/doc/addresses/address.txt
> kuriame yra informacijos kitokios nei
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mkgmap/help/options - gal kažką
> galima išskaityti naudingo...

  Peržiūrėjau, viskas atitinka.

  Atnaujinau mkgmap versiją ir taisykles (taisyklėse mačiau keitėsi
kažkas su ref'ais, tai gali įtakoti „130 Gimntazijos g.“.).
  Žemėlapis pergeneruotas (garmin.openmap.lt), tai būtų puiku prie
progos vėl patestuoti.

  Ačiū

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Re: [Talk-hr] Talk-hr Digest, Broj 93, Izdanje 7

[Dražen Tutić]

Podaci su objavljeni pod Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY) dakle (uz 
pretpostavku da su svi dionici svjesni da su podaci objavljeni pod tom licencom 
i što ona znači) po meni nema prepreke za upotrebu na OSM uz tagiranje 
izvornika podataka.


Barem ja tako objašnjavam studentima i koristim u nastavi i objavljujem u 
radovima.


Na isti način sam postupio s podacima DZS-a o broju stanovnika po naseljima 
koji su na portalu objavljeni pod istom tom licencom.


Lijepi pozdrav,

Dražen



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http://data.gov.hr/dataset/registar-geografskih-imena

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] StreetComplete et OSMAnd, mise à jour aléatoire ?

[Rpnpif]

Le 13 mars 2018, Vincent Bergeot a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> 
> Sachant que j'ai fait les mises à jour de StreetComplete et osmand, 
> comment expliquer ces résultats :
> 
>   * ici https://osm.org/go/b~~SGMriD?m= il y a un bar
>   * dans osmand j'ai le bar (ajouté il y a 2 mois) et un Vival (effacé
> il y a 10 mois)
>   * dans streetcomplete je n'ai que le Vival ?
> 
> Quelqu'un-e peut me confirmer être dans la même situation ? Ou est ce un 
> problème de mon coté sur OsmAnd (version 2.9.3) et StreetComplete 
> (version 4).

Bonjour,

Osmand, met ses cartes à jour vers le premier de chaque mois. Il est
possible d'utiliser l'extension Osmand Live qui se met à jour toutes les
demi-heures sauf sur certains attributs comme les vitesses routières.
Osmand Live n'est pas toujours très fiable sur certains attributs.

Il est possible que des tuiles anciennes soient stockées sur le
portable et non mises à jour. Je conseillerais de les effacer dans le
menu d'Osmand, ce que je fais chaque début de mois en mettant à jour
les cartes principales.

Les cartes de Streetcomplete ne sont pas à jour chez moi. Je ne
l'utiliserai pas.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Workshopy/školení OSM - Praha, Brno

[Jakub Jelen]

Ahoj,
uz jsem prihlasen na pokrocile, ale klidne prijdu pomoci i na zacatecniky
do Brna.

Zacatecnicke skoleni jsem absolvoval nekdy v roce 2015  a nyni pravidelne
pomaham na Missing Maps mapatonech v Brne, takze se zaklady zacatecnikum
rad pomuzu.

Jakub

2018-03-13 11:32 GMT+01:00 Pavel Zbytovský :

> Ahoj,
>
> připravil jsem další sérii školení a to rovnou v Praze i Brně, vždy ve
> verzi pro začátečníky a pokročilé.
>
> - Brno - středa 21. března, 18:00 a 19:45  - MUNI
> - Praha - úterý 27. března, 18:00 a 19:45  - FIT ČVUT
>
> viz: https://openstreetmap.cz/skoleni/brezen18
>
> Pokud byste někdo mohl přijít pomoci, byl bych moc rád - v praktické části
> totiž začátečníci mají za úkol zmapovat své okolí a většinou to potřebují.
> Minule mi pomáhal třeba Mirek Suchý či Petr Schonman, na pražském OSM-pivu
> přislíbil účast Milancer.
>
> Díky
> Pavel
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[OSM-talk-fr] StreetComplete et OSMAnd, mise à jour aléatoire ?

[Vincent Bergeot]

Bonjour,

Sachant que j'ai fait les mises à jour de StreetComplete et osmand, 
comment expliquer ces résultats :


 * ici https://osm.org/go/b~~SGMriD?m= il y a un bar
 * dans osmand j'ai le bar (ajouté il y a 2 mois) et un Vival (effacé
   il y a 10 mois)
 * dans streetcomplete je n'ai que le Vival ?

Quelqu'un-e peut me confirmer être dans la même situation ? Ou est ce un 
problème de mon coté sur OsmAnd (version 2.9.3) et StreetComplete 
(version 4).


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[OSM-talk-be] FW: Nieuwe tabel ‘Stand van zaken’ Basiskaart Vlaanderen (GRB)

[Santens Seppe]

ter info

Van: Informatie Vlaanderen 
[mailto:informatie.vlaanderen=vlaanderen...@mail139.atl121.mcsv.net] Namens 
Informatie Vlaanderen
Verzonden: dinsdag 13 maart 2018 11:41
Aan: Santens Seppe
Onderwerp: Nieuwe tabel ‘Stand van zaken’ Basiskaart Vlaanderen (GRB)

VLAANDEREN.be/informatievlaanderen


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Beste mevrouw, mijnheer,
Binnenkort gaat het project ‘Uniek percelenplan’ van start. Daarvoor zal de 
structuur van de tabel ‘Stand van zaken’ aangepast worden. Het model van deze 
nieuwe tabel is vandaag online.

Met het project ‘uniek percelenplan’ wordt de kwaliteit van de laag 
‘administratieve percelen (Adp)’ verbeterd. Individuele percelen die momenteel 
te veel afwijken van vooropgestelde kwaliteitsnormen worden onder de loep 
genomen en verbeterd. Dit project wordt tussen 2018 en 2021 gemeente per 
gemeente uitgevoerd. De planning hiervan wordt opgenomen in de tabel ‘Stand van 
zaken’.

Vanaf dit jaar wordt Adp ook frequenter geactualiseerd: er wordt gemikt op een 
kwartaalrelease vanaf oktober 2018. Ook dit is verwerkt in de nieuwe tabel. 
Daarnaast werden een aantal kolommen verwijderd die niet langer relevant zijn.
Het vervangen van de huidige tabel door de nieuwe gebeurt in verschillende 
stappen:

  *   Vandaag stellen we de structuur voor van de nieuwe tabel: ‘Stand van 
zaken GRB_Model2018’.
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[Talk-cz] Workshopy/školení OSM - Praha, Brno

[Pavel Zbytovský]

Ahoj,

připravil jsem další sérii školení a to rovnou v Praze i Brně, vždy ve
verzi pro začátečníky a pokročilé.

- Brno - středa 21. března, 18:00 a 19:45  - MUNI
- Praha - úterý 27. března, 18:00 a 19:45  - FIT ČVUT

viz: https://openstreetmap.cz/skoleni/brezen18

Pokud byste někdo mohl přijít pomoci, byl bych moc rád - v praktické části
totiž začátečníci mají za úkol zmapovat své okolí a většinou to potřebují.
Minule mi pomáhal třeba Mirek Suchý či Petr Schonman, na pražském OSM-pivu
přislíbil účast Milancer.

Díky
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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[demon.box]

dieterdreist wrote
>  nei casi descritti da te non metterei questi tags. Un attrazione
> turistica per me vuol dire che è sufficientemente interessante per
> qualcuno per lasciare casa a visitarla. Un artwork è un opera d’arte, cosa
> non vedo nemmeno per i relitti dell’epoca industriale o anche prima 

comunque il mio pensiero Martin è di considerare il significato
tourism=attraction e tourism=artwork un po' più ampio di quello che dici tu
nel senso che il nostro belpaese è disseminato di molteplici
micro-attrazioni turistiche o meglio magari oggetti di interesse di valore
culturale e soprattutto storico che secondo me (non saprei come altro
definirli) meritano il tag tourism=attraction e per analogia lo stesso
identico ragionamento vale per tourism=artwork.
capisco che nessun decida magari di progettare un viaggio per venire a
vedere una vecchia ruota di un mulino ma di fatto per il turista che ci
passa davanti, secondo me, è a pieno titolo un tourism=attraction
mi riferisco ad una vecchi ruota di un mulino, un vecchio attrezzo da
lavoro, una vecchia molazza di una cartiera, ecc.

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Re: [Talk-gb-london] Transport for London & OSM - station mapping project

[Derick Rethans]

Hi,

I'm pretty sure Kilburn station was done too!:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56962277

cheers,
Derick

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018, Chapple Theo wrote:

> Hi everyone
> Further to my earlier message, I'm pleased to inform you that TfL's supplier, 
> Mentz, has added the data to OSM to map the first batch of TfL stations:
> 
> -  North Greenwich
> 
> -  Aldgate East
> 
> -  Tottenham Court Road
> 
> -  Canning Town
> 
> -  Elephant and Castle
> 
> -  Canada Water
> 
> -  Farringdon
> 
> -  Holborn
> 
> -  Belsize Park
> 
> -  Bank
> 
> -  Arsenal
> 
> -  Notting Hill Gate
> 
> -   Euston Square
> 
> -   Great Portland Street
> 
> -   Hammersmith
> 
> We will be adding more stations over the coming days. Please do let us know 
> if you have any comments on questions.
> Thanks,
> Theo
> 
> Theo Chapple | Digital Partnerships Manager | Digital | Technology & Data
> 
> Transport for London | Floor 2 G, 14 Pier Walk,  North Greenwich, London SE10 
> 0ES | Tel: 020 7027 2983 | Internal: 82983 | Mobile: 07789653898 | E-mail: 
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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[demon.box]

dieterdreist wrote
>  nei casi descritti da te non metterei questi tags. Un attrazione
> turistica per me vuol dire che è sufficientemente interessante per
> qualcuno per lasciare casa a visitarla. Un artwork è un opera d’arte, cosa
> non vedo nemmeno per i relitti dell’epoca industriale o anche prima 

...e come al solito siamo di nuovo ritornati al principio della questione.
torno alla mia domanda iniziale e quindi come taggo sta roba?

no tourism=attraction ne artwork
no man_made perchè non ha più la sua funzione

perciò?


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Re: [talk-au] I have written a response to DNRM, please give feedback

[Simon Poole]

To give a bit more context and perhaps point out a way to resolve this
without every thing blowing up:

At the time the permission from data.gov.au was obtained, OSM was in the
final stages of the licence change. Normally the LWG wouldn't have
become directly involved at all in the matter of licensing national
datasets, just as it is now only involved on request in late stage
vetting. However at the time there was a die hard group of people that
wanted to derail the licence change at essentially all costs, and
unluckily some of the louder voices were Australian. The people involved
jumped on use of CC BY 2.* datasets from Australian government sources
in OSM as one of the major arguments against the licence change and
nobody local seemed to be willing to resolve the issue, as a result the 
LWG engaged directly with data.gov.au.

Now it should be pointed out that, as I've said previously, the major
concern, and why we wanted permission in the first place is that the
ODbL doesn't require downstream attribution on derivative databases and
works, it just requires a pointer back to the source of the database.
That is the reason why OSM, in one way or the other, has always required
that data sources that have licensed their data on CC BY 2.X/3.0 terms
agree that indirect attribution via the website or the contributors page
is sufficient. I have yet to hear that such agreement has been withheld,
as clearly anything else would be totally impractical. It should be
noted that we didn't require downstream attribution even when OSM data
was licensed CC BY SA 2.0, and we would have needed exactly the same
permission even without the licence change, it was simply the event
which made these issues surface.

Now going forward, if there is local consensus that the permission from
data.gov.au is not enough, there is no reason that the local community
can't go back to the relatively small number of CC BY 2.X/3.0 sources
and ask for agreement that the attribution that we have been providing
all the time on the contributors page is sufficient.  That doesn't
resolve the issue with CC BY 4.0 datasets* which is, as said, a
different license. and where we really need the waivers, but would keep
all past contributions safe.

Simon

* a small note on the side, when discussing ODbL and CC BY 4.0
compatibility with Creative Commons, representatives of the organisation
voiced the opinion that most of the rewrite was just clarification of
terms that the previous versions contained, in particular that the
attribution requirement had always allowed indirect attribution if it
was the appropriate choice. 


Am 13.03.2018 um 09:45 schrieb Andrew Davidson:
> On 13/03/18 17:16, Jonathon Rossi wrote:
>> I hope you don't mind me replying back on list and that it was just
>> an accident not CCing the list.
>
> No, that was a deliberate attempt to take this discussion off-list as
> I'm not sure that there is much point in raking over old mistakes
> unless we are trying to learn from our mistakes.
>
>>
>> Your interpretation makes sense to me the way you explained it, I
>> hadn't noticed that detail. I assume you expect that if the
>> data.gov.au  team really meant to include other
>> non-Australian Government agencies it would explicitly be "Australian
>> Government and state and territory governments"
>
> Yes. In light of comments like this:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg07906.html
>
> we should be assuming that the attribution statement is precisely what
> the AGIMO meant it to be.
>
>> or similar, at a minimum "government" being pluralised?
>
> No. They wouldn't have referred to Australian governments to mean both
> tiers as the style guide requires the separate mention of Australian
> Government (guess it's because they don't want to be seen as being on
> the same level as the states).
>
>> Is your view that the only listed dataset that might be permissible
>> is the ABS data, the one that is noted as a "maybe"?
>
> There is this message:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg07976.html
>
> but I can't find any subsequent response to say if the ABS data was
> ever listed on data.gov.au. If anybody was mapping back in 2011 and
> knows it would be good to find out.
>
>>
>> I'm reading between the lines and maybe airing dirty laundry, but is
>> it the position of the OSMF that the permission is valid and your
>> view that it isn't.
>
> It's not a question of validity rather of scope. Now I can believe
> that the AGIMO might be authorised to speak on Commonwealth owned
> datasets, but there is no way that they were in a position to be
> making decisions about state or territory datasets. Having been
> involved in this relationship from the perspective of a state
> government department I know that when we put datasets up on
> data.gov.au we are in no way giving the Feds a say on how other people
> use our datasets. It's our IP and if you want to talk about it you
> should 

[Talk-gb-london] Transport for London & OSM - station mapping project

[Chapple Theo]

Hi everyone
Further to my earlier message, I'm pleased to inform you that TfL's supplier, 
Mentz, has added the data to OSM to map the first batch of TfL stations:

-  North Greenwich

-  Aldgate East

-  Tottenham Court Road

-  Canning Town

-  Elephant and Castle

-  Canada Water

-  Farringdon

-  Holborn

-  Belsize Park

-  Bank

-  Arsenal

-  Notting Hill Gate

-   Euston Square

-   Great Portland Street

-   Hammersmith

We will be adding more stations over the coming days. Please do let us know if 
you have any comments on questions.
Thanks,
Theo

Theo Chapple | Digital Partnerships Manager | Digital | Technology & Data

Transport for London | Floor 2 G, 14 Pier Walk,  North Greenwich, London SE10 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] Villes et terres Agricoles

[Vincent Bergeot]

Merci pour vos retours :)

je pensais également au jardin partagé

une requête overpass (sur farmland, vineyard et allotements) me rassure 
et me permettra de montrer qu'il y a de quoi déjà dans OSM !!!


et vos exemples me permettront d'illustrer !

Bonne journée

Le 09/03/2018 à 17:36, David Delon a écrit :

Bonjour,

Regarder également "ce que fait Terre de Lien avec les actions "veille 
foncière citoyenne", rien de fait pour l'instant, mais l'idée est de 
s'appuyer sur Openstreetmap, pour cette veille.


David.

Le 08/03/2018 à 22:36, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
On a un work in progress sur ce sujet, et pas grand chose à montrer 
pour le

moment,  à part ça :
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/domaine-des-cognettes_139266#16/47.0970/-1.2525 



Il s'agit de répertorier les parcelles de vignes d'un domaine 
viticole, avec des
informations supplémentaires comme le cepage, l'année de plantation 
etc...


J'en reparlerai certainement ici un peu plus tard, car il va falloir 
créer des tags.

(ici ou au sotm)


Le 07/03/2018 à 13:28, Magalie Dartus a écrit :

https://www.vertlejardin.fr/spip.php?rubrique34

http://amapreseau-mp.org/trouver-une-amap (on parle ici de la 
production de terres fertiles amenée en ville)


et sur smartphone : "sauvage de ma rue"


C'est vrai que la recherche n'est pas très fructueuse...
Bonne journée

Le 7 mars 2018 à 12:09, Vincent Bergeot > a écrit :


    Bonjour,

    je suis invité à un forum des métiers pour présenter OSM à 
l'université

    Bordeaux-Montaigne (si si le lieu du sotm-fr).

    Présenter OSM et tout, ça cela va ! Cependant la thématique du 
forum étant
    "Villes et terres fertiles", auriez vous quelques idées de 
projets qui ont

    été réalisés avec de la donnée OSM ?

    J'ai un peu en idée, les jardins partagés, les friches, ferme 
urbaine,

    jardins ouvriers, les vignes  Mais pas beaucoup d'exemples !

    à votre bon coeur mesdames et messieurs !

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Re: [Talk-it] itWikiCon 2018 a Como

[Andreas Lattmann]

Fatto 
Ciao a tutti.

Il March 8, 2018 6:01:32 AM UTC, Dario Crespi  ha 
scritto:
>Ciao a tutti,
>torno sul tema itWikiCon 2018. Wikimedia Foundation richiede la
>realizzazione di un questionario da far compilare ai membri della
>comunità
>wikipediana e in base alle risposte (ma soprattutto in base al numero
>di
>persone che rispondono) valuterà la richiesta di Grant per
>l'organizzazione.
>Dato che, come sapete, vorremmo inserire una parte OSM durante
>itWikiCon,
>linko anche a voi il questionario, da compilare entro il 20 marzo:
>https://goo.gl/forms/W8AVvOXRfuSFgQdn1
>Per la compilazione bastano 12 click.
>
>Grazie e buon fine settimana
>Dario
>
>Il 01/mar/2018 18:35, "Dario Crespi"  ha
>scritto:
>
>> Ho preparato una pagina (ancora informale) per raccogliere idee sul
>> programma. La trovate qui:
>https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ItWikiCon/2018/
>> Programma
>>
>> Scrivete pure le vostre idee di presentazioni, workshop o altro. Più
>in là
>> apriremo invece una call più strutturata, ma almeno intanto
>raccogliamo le
>> buone idee :-)
>>
>> Dario
>>
>> Il giorno 1 marzo 2018 18:06, Dario Crespi 
>ha
>> scritto:
>>
>>> Beh, grazie a tutti. Effettivamente parlare di programma adesso è un
>po'
>>> presto, però prossimamente apriremo una pagina su meta per sondare
>gli
>>> interessi e le disponibilità a tenere presentazioni o workshop da
>parte
>>> della comunità. Nel frattempo, se volete e se vi sembra
>un'iniziativa
>>> meritevole, potete dare il vostro endorsement in fondo alla pagina
>di
>>> richiesta del grant: https://meta.wikimedia.
>>> org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Tremej/itWikiCon2018#Endorsements
>>>
>>> Vi aggiornerò su tutti gli sviluppi futuri.
>>>
>>> Dario
>>>
>>> Il giorno 1 marzo 2018 17:17, Marco Minghini
>
>>> ha scritto:
>>>
 Ciao Dario, e grazie per le info!

 L'anno scorso in programma c'era una sessione su OSM tenuta da
>Maurizio
> Napolitano (che ringrazio ancora) e sarebbe auspicabile avere
>qualcosa di
> ambito mapparo anche quest'anno. Magari una sessione sull'uso di
>JOSM,
> prevista l'anno scorso, ma poi trasformata in una panoramica base
>su OSM,
> visto che il pubblico aveva poca dimestichezza con lo strumento.
>Oppure
> qualcosa sull'integrazione di informazioni OSM/Wikimedia. O magari
> organizzare un mapping party (o simili) a Como in quell'occasione.
>Ma per
> parlare del programma c'è ancora tempo :-)
>
> Abitando a Como, mi rendo disponibile a coprire la parte di OSM
>secondo
 le necessità!

 Marco


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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[Francesco Pelullo]

Il 13 mar 2018 9:11 AM, "Martin Koppenhoefer"  ha
scritto:




Io sono contrario all’idea di classificare come arte cose che non sono
intese come arte e non svolgono ruoli di arte.


... e che non sono accessibili ad eventuali visitatori, a meno di non
guardarli mentre si percorre la rotatoria (cosa peraltro pericolosa per
l'autista).

Ciao
/niubii/
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Re: [talk-au] I have written a response to DNRM, please give feedback

[Andrew Davidson]

On 13/03/18 17:16, Jonathon Rossi wrote:
I hope you don't mind me replying back on list and that it was just an 
accident not CCing the list.


No, that was a deliberate attempt to take this discussion off-list as 
I'm not sure that there is much point in raking over old mistakes unless 
we are trying to learn from our mistakes.




Your interpretation makes sense to me the way you explained it, I hadn't 
noticed that detail. I assume you expect that if the data.gov.au 
 team really meant to include other non-Australian 
Government agencies it would explicitly be "Australian Government and 
state and territory governments"


Yes. In light of comments like this:

https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg07906.html

we should be assuming that the attribution statement is precisely what 
the AGIMO meant it to be.



or similar, at a minimum "government" being pluralised?


No. They wouldn't have referred to Australian governments to mean both 
tiers as the style guide requires the separate mention of Australian 
Government (guess it's because they don't want to be seen as being on 
the same level as the states).


Is your view that the only listed dataset that might be permissible is 
the ABS data, the one that is noted as a "maybe"?


There is this message:

https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg07976.html

but I can't find any subsequent response to say if the ABS data was ever 
listed on data.gov.au. If anybody was mapping back in 2011 and knows it 
would be good to find out.




I'm reading between the lines and maybe airing dirty laundry, but is it 
the position of the OSMF that the permission is valid and your view that 
it isn't.


It's not a question of validity rather of scope. Now I can believe that 
the AGIMO might be authorised to speak on Commonwealth owned datasets, 
but there is no way that they were in a position to be making decisions 
about state or territory datasets. Having been involved in this 
relationship from the perspective of a state government department I 
know that when we put datasets up on data.gov.au we are in no way giving 
the Feds a say on how other people use our datasets. It's our IP and if 
you want to talk about it you should be talking to us.


which is why you manually monitor usage because you didn't 
feel like this discussion again and have better things to do?




Can, worms, sticks and bears. I was hoping that if we stopped people 
adding more stuff we could just quietly let things be. As others have 
pointed out there is a lot of very deeply embedded data from these state 
datasets that would be very difficult to remove.


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Re: [Talk-us] Cardinal directions on highways & foreign languages

[Minh Nguyen]

On 2018-02-27 19:22, Angela Morley wrote:
I've come across an issue with the current implementation of cardinal 
directions in roles of relations. In certain areas of the world, roles 
are being used to determine the cardinal direction of a way in 
accordance with the AASHTO requirements, however those locales change 
the official name of the cardinal direction to the name of the direction 
in their local languages on road signage. Examples include highways in 
Puerto Rico and Quebec.


Should the tags north, south, east, and west be assigned in these 
locations according to the official language used on the road signs for 
those locations (precedent exists like this with Key:name), or should 
they remain English worldwide, regardless of country?


Given that these values are lowercase, they're best thought of as 
machine-readable values rather than freeform, human-readable values. So 
they should remain in English, like any other formal tag value, 
regardless of the sign's language. Taginfo shows that this has been the 
case so far in OSM:


 (tags on 
unidirectional child route relations)
 (roles on 
bidirectional route relations)


This problem has come up in a bug report I was filing with OSRM where 
they are currently just spitting out values like $north directly into 
the end user instructions because they don't know what the best way to 
handle the problem is yet. I had asked for it to be rendered as North, 
however the question of internationalization came up, and was so valid 
and pressing I thought it prudent to start a conversation about the 
topic. ( If you're curious, the original bug report: 
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/issues/4918 
)


The OSRM library currently leaves it up to client code to replace the 
token with something more presentable. For example, the Mapbox 
Directions API currently replaces these $north tokens with English 
cardinal directions. It's a known issue that the API doesn't use French 
and Spanish cardinal directions in Québec and Puerto Rico, respectively, 
even though the rest of the instructions can be localized.




(Incidentally, this stretch of roadway is a concurrency of US 29 North, 
US 460 East, and US 501 South.)


Note that the behavior described above applies only to cardinal 
directions inserted based on route relations. However, most of the time, 
when you encounter a numbered route in OSRM's guidance instructions, 
it's due to a human-readable cardinal direction in the destination:ref 
tag, which is customarily written in the local language. So in Québec, 
it's currently possible for OSRM-based navigation software to announce 
an on-ramp onto "A-5 Nord" and then announce a merge onto "A-5 North".


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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 13. Mar 2018, at 07:48, Aury88  wrote:
> 
> sono messi li per abbellimento come una qualsiasi scultura, non per la loro
> originaria funzionalità.



si, sono lì per abbellimento, ma un artwork è più di abbellimento, viene creato 
per esprimere un’idea.

Io sono contrario all’idea di classificare come arte cose che non sono intese 
come arte e non svolgono ruoli di arte.

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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 12. Mar 2018, at 16:46, demon.box  wrote:
> 
> 
> ma secondo voi oltre a questo cosa ci metto?
> 
> tourism=artwork ?
> tourism=attraction ?


 nei casi descritti da te non metterei questi tags. Un attrazione turistica per 
me vuol dire che è sufficientemente interessante per qualcuno per lasciare casa 
a visitarla. Un artwork è un opera d’arte, cosa non vedo nemmeno per i relitti 
dell’epoca industriale o anche prima 

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Re: [Talk-it] Speleologia in OSM

[Aury88]

Massimo Taronna wrote
> Ho dato una scorsa veloce alla wiki, mi sembra che sia rivolta più alla
> descrizione di grotte turistiche.
> In una grotta non turistica ad esempio non vedo il senso di indicare delle
> highway. In tale direzione vanno anche i tag fee e operator e
> l'indicazione
> di eventuali oggetti.
> Vedo poi problematica la rappresentazione dello sviluppo di una grotta
> nello spazio. Sviluppandosi all'interno di masse rocciose possiamo avere,
> nel caso di grotte complesse, vari livelli che s'intersecano tra di loro e
> a volte si sovrappongono. In una normale rappresentazione grafica di una
> grotta oltre al disegno planimetrico è importante la rappresentazione in
> sezione, che permette di capire come si sviluppa nello spazio.
> Ora un file kml mi permette di visualizzare nello spazio lo sviluppo di
> una
> grotta, ma non so se questo sia possibile in openstreetmap.
> 
> Massimo
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le highway sono opzionali, natural=cave lo si può usare a prescindere
dall'accessibilità "turistica" della grotta.

il dato 3d penso al momento non sia disponibile. ma le proiezioni 2d
sovrapposte dei vari "livelli" delle grotte si possono fare. si possono
usare i tag layer o eventualmente anche level (di cui non se ne parla nel
wiki, ma a mio avviso si potrebbe prendere spunto dal indoor mapping per
affrontare molte delle problematiche riscontrate nella mappatura interna di
una grotta) per indentificarne in maniera grossolana alcuni dei principali
"livelli"
per l'altezza della grotta e la quota ci sono già alcuni tag utilizzabili ma
sarebbe per forza un dato "medio" non un dato puntuale



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Re: [Talk-it] in mezzo alle rotonde

[Aury88]

liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote
> Il 12/03/2018 17:23, demon.box ha scritto:
>> sabas88 wrote
>>> Non scenderei troppo nel dettaglio...
>> 
>> appunto, ma se non scendo nel dettaglio cosa ci metto come tag base?
>> ciao
> 
> 
> Essendo lì come abbellimento direi tourism=artwork
> historic=nome_tipo_aggieggio.
> 
> artwork:type=historic (boh! mi è venuto così!)

+1

sono messi li per abbellimento come una qualsiasi scultura, non per la loro
originaria funzionalità.
anche per me mettere lo stesso man_made di quando quell'elemento ha una
funzionalità pratica non è corretto



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Re: [talk-au] I have written a response to DNRM, please give feedback

[Jonathon Rossi]

I hope you don't mind me replying back on list and that it was just an
accident not CCing the list.

Your interpretation makes sense to me the way you explained it, I hadn't
noticed that detail. I assume you expect that if the data.gov.au team
really meant to include other non-Australian Government agencies it would
explicitly be "Australian Government and state and territory governments"
or similar, at a minimum "government" being pluralised?

Is your view that the only listed dataset that might be permissible is the
ABS data, the one that is noted as a "maybe"?

I'm reading between the lines and maybe airing dirty laundry, but is it the
position of the OSMF that the permission is valid and your view that it
isn't, which is why you manually monitor usage because you didn't feel like
this discussion again and have better things to do?

I've read quite a lot of the emails on this topic but definitely not all of
them, so I apologise that I'm coming into this passionate topic fairly
green.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 3:29 PM Andrew Davidson  wrote:

> None of this changes the fundamental issue which is that the
> Commonwealth cannot give permission to a third-party to use a state
> owned dataset without that state delegating the authority. There is not
> a single piece of evidence that this is the case and the burden of proof
> would be on proving that they did rather than the other way around.
>
> As I've already said to Simon if you read the actual attribution
> statement that was agreed on:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg07970.html
>
> it starts with "Contains data from Australian government public
> information datasets". The key phrase is "Australian government" and
> this has a specific meaning:
>
>
> https://guides.service.gov.au/content-guide/terms-phrases/#australian-government
>
> Which shows that they were giving us permission to use the datasets
> owned by the Commonwealth; which I am able to believe they may have been
> able to do. If they were including the datasets owned by the states and
> territories they would have required us to state "Contains data from
> Australian Government and state and territory governments public
> information datasets".
>
>
> On 13/3/18 16:06, Jonathon Rossi wrote:
> >>
> >> On 13/3/18 10:32, Simon Poole wrote:
> >>> you are assuming that
> >>> data.gov.au received the data from the states on the same terms as
> >>> everybody else, that really doesn't have to be so.
> >>
> >> What makes you think I'm assuming anything? To publish data on
> >> data.gov.au an organization has to register
> >> (
> >>
> https://toolkit.data.gov.au/index.php?title=Starting_on_datagovau#Getting_an_Account
> >> )
> >> and provide the following waiver:
> >>
> >> "On behalf of the , I request a data publishing account on
> >> data.gov.au.  will be responsible for the management of
> >> this account and the data that is published using it.  will
> >> notify the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC) to any
> >> changes in ownership of the account and of any issues if they arise. The
> >> responsibility of publishing data appropriately, in accordance with
> >> privacy, security and other relevant considerations rests entirely with
> >> the data publisher and DPMC take no responsibility."
> >
> >
> >> Not sure what part of that you think transfers any rights from the
> >> holder to DPMC.
> >
> >
> > However, isn't that assuming that the process of getting data on the web
> > site prior to 2011 is the same as it is today.
> >
> > It appears data.gov.au was started under the Australian Government
> > Information Management Office (AGIMO) which is still part of the
> Department
> > of Finance (known back then as the Department of Finance and
> Deregulation),
> > but is now run by the Digital Transformation Agency (under the Department
> > of the Prime Minister and Cabinet), so that document has at least been
> > changed since 2011 if not didn't exist back then.
> >
> > If it did exist and all data came through that waiver I would have
> expected
> > the then "Assistant Director, Gov 2.0 Strategy and Services (Manager
> > data.gov.au), Department of Finance and Deregulation" (source: LinkedIn,
> > not linking their profile) would have just responded that they don't own
> or
> > control the data and to go see the owner.
> >
> > Yes, it is possible that they didn't know what they were agreeing to or
> > they didn't actually have permission under whatever arrangement was
> agreed
> > to with each stakeholder. However, if we dispute this person's agreement,
> > then how do we trust each other permission/waiver we've got signed, how
> do
> > we know if the person is permitted to represent the government or
> > organisation on this matter?
> >
> > After all this data is published under CC BY 2.5/3.0.
> >
> > That's putting it politely. There is a rather toxic stratum of
> >> correspondence on talk-au around the period of the license change.
>