Re: [talk-au] Cities in Australia

[Ross]

Hi Leith,

Problem is that the place= definitions in the main part of the wiki 
really do not apply to Australia.


I'd consider Port Macquarie a city.

Cheers
Ross


On 14/11/15 15:07, Leith Bade wrote:

Hi Ross,

Yeah I finished adding population tags (and updating old ones) to all 
cities in Tasmania and NSW using the 2011 Census. It has seemed to 
help improve the map a bit.


I will also continue adding population to the other "Significant Urban 
Areas" that are towns as defined by Census. Hopefully these get picked 
up. However maybe these significant towns should be made "cities" for 
the purposes of OSM to remain consistent. E.g. Port Macquarie is 
technically still a town, but is bigger than a number of regional NSW 
cities.


Thanks,
Leith Bade
le...@mapbox.com 

On 13 November 2015 at 22:24, Ross > wrote:


Hi Again,

This has been discussed before:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#City.2C_Town_or_Village.3F

I'd suggest searching/reading the wiki to see what's been accepted
and why things are as they are.

Adding a population key is probably a good idea though.

Cheers
Ross



On 13/11/15 18:42, Leith Bade wrote:

Hi,

I have been working in OSMI to tidy up Australia's places. My
goal is to try and get it roughly in line with the quality in New
Zealand.

There are a few places with non-numeric population tags, a few
labelled "town" but the population is tiny (100-200).

I have been trying to work out a reasonably consistent
methodology for City vs Town.

I am thinking of ensuring that all "City" councils are listed as
a city.

Additionally every "City" should have a recent population tag
which I have been taking from the 2011 Census. This makes it
easier for people making maps from the data as they can
differentiate large/small cities.

As for very small "towns" the situation is less clear. Most towns
don't have a population tag so OSMI does not flag them, the few
that do get flagged. I think we will just have to leave those as
is since the local community will have a better sense of if the
locals consider a place to be a town or a village.

Thanks,
Leith Bade
le...@mapbox.com 


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Re: [Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

[Fabrizio Tambussa]

2015-11-13 22:06 GMT+01:00 Paul Norman :

> The OSMF has received an application from Wikimedia Italia for a subgroup
> within their organization to become the OSMF Italy chapter. For
> consultation
> and as part of due diligence we are asking the Italian community for
> comments
> on the application.
>

Briefly, I'm glad that the Italy will have its own chapter.

Fabrizio aka Sbiribizio
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Re: [Talk-us] 0,0 Cleanup

[Andy Townsend]

On 14/11/2015 06:42, Elliott Plack wrote:


There's a lot of sandbox type data at 0°, 0° on OSM. Any special 
method to clean that up? I noticed it on the Mapbox Foursquare map, 
because creating lists defaults the map to 0,0 at z10. Any way we can 
polish that area up?




There's not a huge amount at "null island" in OSM at the moment. There's 
a buoy that genuinely exists (and even has its own web page!):


http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3815077900

It's a bit of a stretch to call that a "locality", perhaps, but it does 
actually exist.  Lots of other mistaken imports show up there (open the 
area up in Potlatch 1, hit "undelete" and wait a bit and you'll see the 
effect), but they tend to be spotted and deleted fairly quickly.  
Learnosm have a "virtual sandbox" a bit north of there too, but nothing 
should get uploaded there any more because they fixed their test data to 
make it not uploadable in JOSM.


If you're seeing lots of data in Foursquare maybe it's not an OSM issue 
but perhaps Foursquare data overlaid over an OSM map?


Cheers,

Andy (SomeoneElse)


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Re: [Talk-it] La mappa di OSM ha un nuovo schema colori

[Aury88]

dieterdreist wrote
> (come si vede, la lista è molto lunga, probabilmente non si possono
> mettere
> link a tutti questi sulla nostra pagina iniziale, senza creare ulteriore
> confusione...)

non si è mai parlato infatti di inserirle tutte...sarebbe inutile.
ripeto è necessario introdurre dei parametri per selezionare le applicazioni
io scorrendo quella lista vedo moltissime mappe che consistono solo in un
diverso render che non varrebbe la pena secondo me linkarli come servizi...
ci sono altri servizi che sono limitati solo ad una parte del globo che
direi si possono escludere.
moltissimi sono doppioni e naturalmente di quelli se ne seleziona solo
uno...
moltissimi non sono in lingua inglese e quindi li escluderei perchè
impediscono la consultazione alla maggior parte della gente.
moltissime sono mappe dedicate ad una sola tipologia di POI che sarebbe
assurdo considerare servizi...per quelli basterebbe forse l'aggiunta di un
parametro disattivabile per nominatim che limita la ricerca solo dentro il
box di visualizzazione. oppure ampiamente sostituibile con overpass-turbo...
e poi al limite si può mettere come criterio un certo livello di apertura
del servizio e solo con questo parametro si portano ad una 40-ina il numero
totale di servizi...applicando tutti gli altri criteri quanti risultati si
avranno? 10? anzi mi fai dire che con questi parametri non includerei
nessuno dei servizi attualmente esistenti come degno di venir linkato almeno
nell e tabelle General, ART,Biking, Geocaching, Hiking, Sport,History,
Archaeology, Monument, Routing (gia integrato in osm),service...forse gli
unici al momento degnidi nota sono i tool QA...c'è da dire che moltissimi
non si sa che licenza abbiano, e che sarebbe bellissimo linkarli
direttamente da osm ma anche così solo una minima parte di quei servizi
linkati nel wiki ha una qualche particolarità che li rende veramente
particolari e particolarmente interessanti...tutti gli altri possono
soddisfare qualche curiosità ma non mettono in risalto le molte potenzialità
della mappa per l'uso quotidiano. questo naturalmente ihmo e senza togliere
nulla al lavoro dei vari sviluppatori.



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registrato appena letto! grazie mille per la segnalazione.
stavo pensando: ben 2 eventi al politecnico di milano nel giro di un
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Re: [OSM-ja] 交差点のタグ付け方法

[tomoya muramoto]

コメントありがとうございます。

>信号機に関する話題は、以前に math1985さんが提起して、
>junctionタグをエリアとして書くということで一段落していた
これはどこかに議論の記録が残っていますでしょうか。wikiを検索したのですが分かりませんでした。

>traffic_signのリレーションにするべき
私も理想的にはリレーションにすべきだと思います(交差点エリアは物理オブジェクトで規定できないため)。ただ、リレーション作成が煩雑なのも確かなので、どちらにすべきか決めきれていません。

>既存の交差点に junctionタグを入れてゆく
junctionタグをエリアとして書くのではなく、ノードに入れるということでしょうか。
私はlevel0エディタは使ったことがないのであまり分かっていないのですが、交差点に4つ描かれた信号機をひとつにまとめるといった処理ができるのでしょうか？

>名前の表示を、もう1つZoomレベルをあげる
私も、もう少し表示するZoomレベルを上げてほしいかなと思います。低いZoomレベルで交差点名がズラッと表示されると、少しうるさく感じてしまいます。
また、現状だと、Zoom14～17では信号機アイコンは表示されず、交差点名だけが表示されるようです。信号機アイコンと交差点名の表示は、どちらを優先したほうがよいでしょうか？
なお他の商用地図では、どちらかというと信号機アイコンの表示が優先されるようです。おそらく、車を運転する方のほうが、どちらの需要が高いのかわかるのではないかと思いますが(私は運転しないので…)。

ちなみに、レンダリングについて色々書いてはいますが、私の能力ではCartoCSSチームに入って何やらするというのは無理そうなので、wikiに要望をまとめるくらいにとどまると思います。ご了承ください。

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[OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: Re: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[Jean-Guilhem Cailton]

Bonjour,

Je vous fais suivre aussi cette réponse de John, parmi d'autres sur la
liste "Tagging", bien qu'elle soit entièrement en anglais, parce qu'elle
m'a particulièrement touché, avec son autre façon d'exprimer sa
solidarité, apparemment depuis le Japon.

Faute de temps, je traduis juste ce paragraphe final (il existe des
traducteurs en ligne pour ceux qui ne lisent pas l'anglais et voudraient
avoir une idée du contenu, ou peut-être que le reste du texte inspirera
un autre traducteur volontaire) :
"Also, mappers in Paris, please know there are people around the world
(literally) who would love to give you a big hug, and wishing for your
safety and that you were not personally affected by these attacks.
Please map the memorials as meticulously as you can when they are made. "

"Aussi, mappeurs de Paris, s'il vous plaît sachez qu'il y a des gens
tout autour du monde (littéralement) qui adoreraient vous serrer dans
leurs bras, et qui forment des vœux pour votre sécurité et pour que vous
n'ayez pas été personnellement affectés par ces attaques. S'il vous
plaît, cartographiez les plaques ou monuments commémoratifs aussi
méticuleusement que vous pourrez quand ils seront faits."

Thank you very much John.

Jean-Guilhem

https://twitter.com/jgVisov
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Date :  Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:05:43 +0900
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Pour :  Tag discussion, strategy and related tools





> On Nov 15, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Frederik Ramm  > wrote:
>
> Yes, a tragedy has happened, or more precisely a horrific crime; and
> yes, you and I and many others wish to extend our hearfelt condolences
> to the victims and their families. But OpenStreetMap is not the right
> medium to do that.

>> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
>
> That's exactly what you are inviting here. You may have the best
> intentions but you're doing the wrong thing.

+1


The stories coming out of Paris are heartbreaking. 

Seeing the french flag pop up on websites - it appeared on Amazon.co.jp
 almost as soon as I read of the attacks - gets one
into the mood of “me too” for our own web sites, and OSM is no exception
to this feeling.

I ordered a French flag to fly on our School’s flagpole on Monday. at
school from Amazon Japan. I feel that is a display that people can see
and understand. 

But we must refrain from doing this via the OSM dataset.

Adding comments into the data that will invite further note tagging that
is unrelated to the actual mapping data is not a good idea. 

Perhaps having a “Open Memory Map” or something to help document
people’s experiences (good ) as related to specific geographic
places would be a good idea, but that is not the goal of the OSM dataset
(AFAIK). 

I assume in the coming months (or years) there will be plaques and
monuments erected to the victims, both Big and small - a tiny brass
plaque, a planted tree in a park, a memorial made to a specific person
who died. While individually we can fly a flag or wear a pin, donate
money or directly work to help victims where possible,


OSM’s job is to faithfully map and document those plaques, memorials,
and related objects. 


On the one or five year anniversaries of the attacks, when the memorials
are built and the speeches and political rhetoric has died down, we can
make a special link on the OSM page that links to a collection of large
public and small personal memorials that people click to see on OSM, and
using the website & wikipedia tags - read about the memorials (as most
people can’t visit France directly) or point people to read about an
ordinary person that died, memorialized by a tiny overlooked plaque on a
bench or tree in a normally unnoticed section of a park - possibly
outside of France if they were from somewhere else.

Us announcing that we added a note is not going to get much worthwhile
press, while everyone is still reading about the bloodshed and hearing
the politicians speak.  It will invite further notes. And what we offer
on the map is not very useful as a map. Everyone knows the locations -
we don’t need to “me too” this. We should offer a “native” memorial in
our data by mapping the memorials and linking to them on the anniversary
via the OSM front page and shared via social media.

That is how OSM can honor the victims of these attacks:  To help people
not forget the victims. To help people find out about an ordinary person
memorialized by a lonely plaque somewhere - keeping their memory alive -
as after we pass away, we exist only in memory. Keeping their memory
alive is a noble thing to do. 

I hope we don’t have to map many more memorials - in France or elsewhere.

Solidarité

Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 14.11.2015 19:44, tony wroblewski napisał(a):


I think people need a playpen where they can try out ideas and map
before contributing to the main map (Maybe there already is, I don't
know). I think it should also be a requirement that people add a


I think this is the place for playing with editing OSM (sandbox):

http://master.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org

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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Gerd Petermann]

I like the idea regarding a welcome message from the local community.

My explanation for users who registered without mapping:

They tried to map something, found the used editor too complicated,

and stoped again being afraid to destroy something.

So, I think a 1st welcome message with links to e.g. wiki, Taginfo,

maybe youtube and hints how to find help from locals would

be welcomed by every new user.


Gerd




Von: Marc Zoutendijk 
Gesendet: Samstag, 14. November 2015 23:15
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Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?


Op 14 nov. 2015, om 20:49 heeft Clifford Snow 
> het volgende 
geschreven:

I like that concept. I try to invite new users are in the geographic area of 
our meetup group. If I think they need a helpful hint I add it to the welcome 
message. I'd really like to automate the process. Is there a way to automate 
sending messages to all new users or do you have to send each on individually?


Given the number of weekly new mappers (around 10-12) it's easy to send them 
the message individually. I have prepared a basic text that's being used. I 
always check what the first edits are, and based on that I sometimes add a more 
personal note to help them out if it looks they got stuck or if they really 
messed things up.

I'll start doing some statiscal research to see what number of mappers are 
really returning mappers. But this makes only sense after a few more months. I 
also noted that some of those mappers have registered themselves months (even 
years) ago before they start mapping.

Marc.


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Re: [Talk-in] OSMGeoWeek Mapping Party [BLR]

[H.S.Rai]

On Nov 11, 2015 6:09 PM, "Arun Ganesh"  wrote:
>
> Wondering if we should have a theme for the mapping that can get more
involvement from outside the OSM circles. How about `Waste`?
>

Do you mean mapping of Garbage Collection Centres / Dust Bins?

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[OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[André Pirard]

Hi,

OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
Wikipedia have been extremely fast
 in all
languages !!!
After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
how?):
Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France


I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.

It adds the following note 
to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
(they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
Translates to:
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.
Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
world.

Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.

By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
join the world's cry .
But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[Ruben Maes]

Hi

I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, 
I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather 
have your changeset reverted.

Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. There 
may even be terrorists here for all we know.

If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and 
have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many 
people are already doing.

Regards
Ruben


Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> Hi,
> 
> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
>  in all
> languages !!!
> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> how?):
> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> 
> 
> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> 
> It adds the following note 
> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
> Translates to:
> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> world.
> 
> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> 
> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> join the world's cry .
> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> André.
> 
> 

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Re: [Talk-it] Convegno "Open data cartografici. OpenStreetMap e le sue applicazioni", Politecnico di Milano, giovedì 3 dicembre

[Alessandro]

Il 14/11/2015 11:40, Aury88 ha scritto:

registrato appena letto! grazie mille per la segnalazione.
stavo pensando: ben 2 eventi al politecnico di milano nel giro di un
mesetto!...Caspita! \o/



Sono contento anch'io.
Considero però l'appuntamento del 3 più per esterni che in qualsiasi 
modo si vogliano avvicinare al progetto OSM. Chi già vi partecipa 
preferirei vederlo il 21 e 22 a Bologna: lì ci sarà modo di discutere 
tra noi e sentirsi parte della comunità, oltre che imparare e spiegare 
le cose che si conoscono ai meno esperti. E chi lo desidera potrà 
rendersi utile a scrivere codice, tradurre e catalogare tools.

Poi, per carità, che viene il 3 è ovviamente il benvenuto.

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT


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Re: [Talk-it] 21-22 novembre: incontro OpenStreetMap a Bologna

[alessandro . palmas]

Il 09/11/2015 09:36, alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it ha scritto:
> Leggo da http://dati.emilia-romagna.it/
> "Da settembre, e fino a fine 2015, l'Azienda Sanitaria e l'Azienda
> Ospedaliera di Ferrara hanno attivato il primo Laboratorio regionale sul
> riuso dei dati aperti di sanità e sociale, promosso dalle due aziende in
> partnership con la Regione Emilia-Romagna e l’Università di Bologna. Si
> tratta della prima esperienza regionale in cui la cittadinanza viene
> coinvolta in un percorso che.."


Il Coordinamento Agenda Digitale Emilia-Romagna ha risposto col seguente
messaggio:
---
"Salve Alessandro, la ringraziamo molto per l’interesse.

Il laboratorio sul riuso dei dati sanitari si sta svolgendo presso l’AUSL
di Ferrara,  coinvolge cittadini e operatori e questa prima edizione si
concluderà il 30 novembre

Nel corso del laboratorio i partecipanti hanno il compito di individuare
fonti dati (meglio se aperti, ma eventualmente anche non aperti per
suggerirne poi l’apertura ai titolari) relative a temi socio-sanitari
individuati dai partecipanti stessi e di proporre casi di riuso che
generino “utilità” per la società civile

Lei ha già qualche idea e proposta da condividere?"
---

Avete idee a riguardo? Potrebbe essere un'argomento sviluppato durante il
sabato?

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

P.S.: tra iscrizioni sul wiki, quelle di facebook e altri contatti che non
si sono iscritti siamo già ad una trentina di persone.


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Re: [Talk-it] 21-22 novembre: incontro OpenStreetMap a Bologna

[Simone Cortesi]

2015-11-14 14:21 GMT+01:00  :
> Avete idee a riguardo? Potrebbe essere un'argomento sviluppato durante il
> sabato?

potrebbero confrontare i dati che abbiamo su ospedali, farmacie,
consultori e darci qualche info che si possa usare come "ref".

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Re: [Talk-it] Convegno "Open data cartografici. OpenStreetMap e le sue applicazioni", Politecnico di Milano, giovedì 3 dicembre

[Aury88]

Alessandro wrote
> Il 14/11/2015 11:40, Aury88 ha scritto:
>> registrato appena letto! grazie mille per la segnalazione.
>> stavo pensando: ben 2 eventi al politecnico di milano nel giro di un
>> mesetto!...Caspita! \o/
>>
> 
> Sono contento anch'io.
> Considero però l'appuntamento del 3 più per esterni che in qualsiasi 
> modo si vogliano avvicinare al progetto OSM. Chi già vi partecipa 
> preferirei vederlo il 21 e 22 a Bologna: lì ci sarà modo di discutere 
> tra noi e sentirsi parte della comunità, oltre che imparare e spiegare 
> le cose che si conoscono ai meno esperti. E chi lo desidera potrà 
> rendersi utile a scrivere codice, tradurre e catalogare tools.
> Poi, per carità, che viene il 3 è ovviamente il benvenuto.
> 
> Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

in realtà mi sembra molto incentrato sull'utilizzo di osm in vari
ambiti...cosa che come mappatore non ho mai potuto vedere realmente..sapere
come e perchè vengono usati i dati tra l'altro mi potrebbe essere d'aiuto
nel lavoro di mappatura.
senza considerare che a causa della materia che studio non è da escludere la
necessità futura di dover usare dati e strumenti GIS per studiare,  per
esempio,  la diffusione di tossici o nubi infiammabili... quindi, anche se
sono mappatore da alcuni anni,  saranno trattati degli argonenti per me
nuovi e ai quali sono interessato.
bologna sarebbe bello esserci ma non so ancora se potrò :-(



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[OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Michał Brzozowski]

I watch what new users do, reviewing their work and I am kind of fed
up with how rarely newbies respond to changeset comments and messages.
Have you observed such low rate in your area?
Is there anything we could do in order to increase it? I feel it's so
futile to ever contact these hit-and-run mappers. Maybe we could take
something from vast existing knowledge on online marketing/UX and see
what can be improved?

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Re: [Talk-dk] Fwd: Opdatering af Nationale Cykelruter

[Lars Thegler]

2015-11-13 16:30 GMT+01:00 Andreas Hammershøj :

> Hej igen,
> jeg har nu været alle nationalruterne igennem.
>

Flot gået. Forhåbentlig bliver denne inspirerende historie også udbredt
udenfor den lille skare her på listen.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer une ressourcerie ?

[Philippe Verdy]

il manque quand même l'aspectg
social/conseil/sensibilisation/promotion/formation/éducation. Un centre de
recyclage sinon n'st qu'un endroit pour amener les déchets et c'est la
collectivité qui mène les sensibilisations ou impose le système aux
particuliers et entreprises et les fait financer par les éco-taxes
obligatoires ou l'obligation de récupérer les anciçens produits sur les
lieux de vente (qui ne sont pourtant pas non plus des lieux de collecte
généralistes et n'ont aucune obligatio nde récupérer les déchets pour tout
le monde sans vente associée).
Sinon une resourcerie sera surtout une asso qui en elle-même n'a pas non
plus à accepter tous les déchets qu'on lui amène, son travail c'est plutpot
de créer une filière de recyclage sur certaines classes de produits qu'elle
peut traiter (et il y a plein de produits qu'une asso ne peut pas traiter
elle-même, notemment les déchets toxiques et polluants: métaux lourds,
amiante, huiles de moteurs, déchets de peintures/vernis/solvants, produits
pharaceutiques et déchets hospitaliers et médicaux).

Donc ok pour "amenity=recycling", mais c'est plutôt "recycling_type=center"
qui est trop généraliste.

Le "shop=second_hand" pourquoi pas mais cela reste une activité annexe (je
ne suis même pas sûr que le but de'un ressourcerie soit de maintenir un
dépôt-vente à destination du public, ce qui demande une présence et un
accueil (coûteux y compris en terme de sécurité, et très astreignant s'il
faut rémunérer des permanents contractuels), mais plutôt de faire du tri
pour le valoriser auprès de cerftains acteurs sélectionnés (et de les
prospecter dans une région plus large que le seul centre, mais avec un
agenda plus libre et plus adapté au travail des bénévoles qui n'ont aucune
obligation de présence): cela n'exclue pas l'organisation de ventes
ponctuelles plusieurs fois dans l'année, voire une ou deux fois par mois,
selon les besoins et l'état des stocks à écouler et la disponibilité des
bénévoles (qui ne peut pas être garantie toute l'année).


Le 14 novembre 2015 14:43, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> suite à des échanges avec Francescu, ci-dessous, une proposition
>
> Le 19/05/2014 10:49, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>> Comme l'indique le titre de ce mail, je cherche à tagguer des
>> ressourceries.
>> "Kézako une ressourcerie ?" Pour faire court, c'est un lieu d'échange
>> d'objets recyclés, réutilisés, ... Mais c'est aussi de la sensibilisation
>> et du conseil aux particuliers, entreprises et collectivités sur le
>> recyclage et la diminution des déchets, etc. Le tout s'inscrivant dans un
>> esprit ESS (entreprise sociale et solidaire).
>> Plus d'infos ici :
>> http://www.ressourcerie.fr/Vos-Ressourceries/Le-concept/Le-concept-explique
>>
>> Du coup, comment classer ça ? shop=second_hand me parait bien réducteur...
>>
>
> une déchetterie "classique" (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type) :
> amenity=recycling
> recycling_type=center
>
> une ressourcerie :
> amenity=recycling
> recycling_type=center
> shop=second_hand
>
> Vos avis ?
>
> Cordialement
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Massi per arrampicare

[Simone Cortesi]

2015-11-13 12:49 GMT+01:00 Michele Malfatti :
> ciao volevo sapere come posso mappare dei sassi enormi che nella zona d Garda 
> Trentino vengono usati per arrampicare, boulder. Grazie

Sembra tu possa usare: natural=stone
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dstone

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer une ressourcerie ?

[Pierre GRANJON]

Le tag amenity=recycling ne me semble pas très adapté, c’est en effet très 
limitant. amenity=recycling évoque pour moi l’aspect industriel. Je pense qu’il 
serait plus intéressant de mettre en avant l’aspect social, puisque l’objectif 
d’une ressourcerie est aussi de donner un travail à des personnes sans emploi 
ou de rencontrer des gens.
Pourquoi pas amenity=social_facility avec un second tag 
social_facility=ressourcerie par ex ?
leisure=hackerspace se rapproche aussi de ce qu’on peut faire dans une 
ressourcerie.

Pierre

> Le 14 nov. 2015 à 15:12, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
> 
> il manque quand même l'aspectg 
> social/conseil/sensibilisation/promotion/formation/éducation. Un centre de 
> recyclage sinon n'st qu'un endroit pour amener les déchets et c'est la 
> collectivité qui mène les sensibilisations ou impose le système aux 
> particuliers et entreprises et les fait financer par les éco-taxes 
> obligatoires ou l'obligation de récupérer les anciçens produits sur les lieux 
> de vente (qui ne sont pourtant pas non plus des lieux de collecte 
> généralistes et n'ont aucune obligatio nde récupérer les déchets pour tout le 
> monde sans vente associée).
> Sinon une resourcerie sera surtout une asso qui en elle-même n'a pas non plus 
> à accepter tous les déchets qu'on lui amène, son travail c'est plutpot de 
> créer une filière de recyclage sur certaines classes de produits qu'elle peut 
> traiter (et il y a plein de produits qu'une asso ne peut pas traiter 
> elle-même, notemment les déchets toxiques et polluants: métaux lourds, 
> amiante, huiles de moteurs, déchets de peintures/vernis/solvants, produits 
> pharaceutiques et déchets hospitaliers et médicaux).
> 
> Donc ok pour "amenity=recycling", mais c'est plutôt "recycling_type=center" 
> qui est trop généraliste.
> 
> Le "shop=second_hand" pourquoi pas mais cela reste une activité annexe (je ne 
> suis même pas sûr que le but de'un ressourcerie soit de maintenir un 
> dépôt-vente à destination du public, ce qui demande une présence et un 
> accueil (coûteux y compris en terme de sécurité, et très astreignant s'il 
> faut rémunérer des permanents contractuels), mais plutôt de faire du tri pour 
> le valoriser auprès de cerftains acteurs sélectionnés (et de les prospecter 
> dans une région plus large que le seul centre, mais avec un agenda plus libre 
> et plus adapté au travail des bénévoles qui n'ont aucune obligation de 
> présence): cela n'exclue pas l'organisation de ventes ponctuelles plusieurs 
> fois dans l'année, voire une ou deux fois par mois, selon les besoins et 
> l'état des stocks à écouler et la disponibilité des bénévoles (qui ne peut 
> pas être garantie toute l'année).
> 
> 
> Le 14 novembre 2015 14:43, Vincent Bergeot  > a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> suite à des échanges avec Francescu, ci-dessous, une proposition
> 
> Le 19/05/2014 10:49, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> Comme l'indique le titre de ce mail, je cherche à tagguer des ressourceries.
> "Kézako une ressourcerie ?" Pour faire court, c'est un lieu d'échange 
> d'objets recyclés, réutilisés, ... Mais c'est aussi de la sensibilisation et 
> du conseil aux particuliers, entreprises et collectivités sur le recyclage et 
> la diminution des déchets, etc. Le tout s'inscrivant dans un esprit ESS 
> (entreprise sociale et solidaire).
> Plus d'infos ici : 
> http://www.ressourcerie.fr/Vos-Ressourceries/Le-concept/Le-concept-explique 
> 
> 
> Du coup, comment classer ça ? shop=second_hand me parait bien réducteur...
> 
> une déchetterie "classique" 
> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type 
> ) :
> amenity=recycling
> recycling_type=center
> 
> une ressourcerie :
> amenity=recycling
> recycling_type=center
> shop=second_hand
> 
> Vos avis ?
> 
> Cordialement
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer une ressourcerie ?

[Philippe Verdy]

social_facility=resourcerie en français ? Il me semble que c'est une
activité associative qui a de nombreux équivalents ailleurs qu'en France,
notamment aussi en Allemagne, aux USA, au Royaume-Uni. Je conserverais donc
le terme recycling (c'est bien le but et le domaine d'activité). Donc
plutôt alors
social_facility=recycling

Et en cas de dépot-vente occasionnels (mais fréquents, pas nécessairement
permanents et régulier), taguer un peu comme pour les centres Emmaüs, mais
avec un tag indiquant que ce n'est pas régulier.

Souvent ces centres sont associés à des friperies (vêtements très pmeu
chers voire donnés gratuitement à des personnes dans le besoin), et des
distributions de colis alimentaires, ainsi qu'un lieu d'accueil avec des
activités diverses revues en fonction des besoins et des disponibilité et
volontés des personnes. Il peut aussi y avoir un service (payant mais peu
cher) pour débarasser des appartements (par exemple un propriétaire qui
veut débarasser l'appartement laissé par un locataire décédé, cela se fait
en concertation avec un notaire chargé de régler une succession: les objets
vendables sont mis en dépôt vente, le reste est récupéré par l'asso pour
tri et dépot en déchetterie). Le produit de ces services finance d'autres
choses (dont les achats alimentaires pour les distributions, l'assurance et
l'entretien des véhicules, les dépenses de fonctionnement, téléphone,
consommables, frais de courriers, réparations, entretien de locaux,
chauffage, surveillance des locaux pendant les fermetures, achats d'outils
ou de vêtements de travail pour les bénévoles ou les employés en contrat
d'insertion ou s'occupent de jardins ou petites exploitations
agricoles...). Enfin il peut y avoir des résidences sociales. Ces services
sont à taguer en plus sur le même lieu avec des tags supplémentaires.

Il y a en fait une grande variété d'activités selon le terrain et les
opportunités, et autant de tags.

Le 14 novembre 2015 15:47, Pierre GRANJON  a écrit :

> Le tag amenity=recycling ne me semble pas très adapté, c’est en effet très
> limitant. amenity=recycling évoque pour moi l’aspect industriel. Je pense
> qu’il serait plus intéressant de mettre en avant l’aspect social, puisque
> l’objectif d’une ressourcerie est aussi de donner un travail à des
> personnes sans emploi ou de rencontrer des gens.
> Pourquoi pas amenity=social_facility avec un second
> tag social_facility=ressourcerie par ex ?
> leisure=hackerspace se rapproche aussi de ce qu’on peut faire dans une
> ressourcerie.
>
> Pierre
>
> Le 14 nov. 2015 à 15:12, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
>
> il manque quand même l'aspectg
> social/conseil/sensibilisation/promotion/formation/éducation. Un centre de
> recyclage sinon n'st qu'un endroit pour amener les déchets et c'est la
> collectivité qui mène les sensibilisations ou impose le système aux
> particuliers et entreprises et les fait financer par les éco-taxes
> obligatoires ou l'obligation de récupérer les anciçens produits sur les
> lieux de vente (qui ne sont pourtant pas non plus des lieux de collecte
> généralistes et n'ont aucune obligatio nde récupérer les déchets pour tout
> le monde sans vente associée).
> Sinon une resourcerie sera surtout une asso qui en elle-même n'a pas non
> plus à accepter tous les déchets qu'on lui amène, son travail c'est plutpot
> de créer une filière de recyclage sur certaines classes de produits qu'elle
> peut traiter (et il y a plein de produits qu'une asso ne peut pas traiter
> elle-même, notemment les déchets toxiques et polluants: métaux lourds,
> amiante, huiles de moteurs, déchets de peintures/vernis/solvants, produits
> pharaceutiques et déchets hospitaliers et médicaux).
>
> Donc ok pour "amenity=recycling", mais c'est plutôt
> "recycling_type=center" qui est trop généraliste.
>
> Le "shop=second_hand" pourquoi pas mais cela reste une activité annexe (je
> ne suis même pas sûr que le but de'un ressourcerie soit de maintenir un
> dépôt-vente à destination du public, ce qui demande une présence et un
> accueil (coûteux y compris en terme de sécurité, et très astreignant s'il
> faut rémunérer des permanents contractuels), mais plutôt de faire du tri
> pour le valoriser auprès de cerftains acteurs sélectionnés (et de les
> prospecter dans une région plus large que le seul centre, mais avec un
> agenda plus libre et plus adapté au travail des bénévoles qui n'ont aucune
> obligation de présence): cela n'exclue pas l'organisation de ventes
> ponctuelles plusieurs fois dans l'année, voire une ou deux fois par mois,
> selon les besoins et l'état des stocks à écouler et la disponibilité des
> bénévoles (qui ne peut pas être garantie toute l'année).
>
>
> Le 14 novembre 2015 14:43, Vincent Bergeot  a écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>> suite à des échanges avec Francescu, ci-dessous, une proposition
>>
>> Le 19/05/2014 10:49, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :
>>
>>> Bonjour,
>>> Comme l'indique le titre de ce mail, je cherche 

Re: [Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

[Simone Cortesi]

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:
> At this time some of the documents are still being translated into English.
> I'm waiting for this to be finished before sending out a message to
> osmf-talk@
> or local-chapters@.
>
> Details of the application can be found at
> http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Italy
> and the standard template agreement that would be signed is at
> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Template_agreement.
>
> More information on local chapters can be found at
> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/FAQ
>
> I want to thank the applicant for being patient, as the process has taken
> longer than it should.

Hi Paul,
I'm just done translating the documents you are referring to:

WikiMedia Italia: trade registry entry:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KMSLSYaho-vSTGtIsHRQ5KVWLklDO0gZL33aH212QjU/edit

WikiMedia Italia: articles of association:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1riiq_fk9-df-Qidpx7oyoExUFOx9197FvDbuYhNb7bI/edit



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Re: [Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

[Maurizio Napolitano]

Ciao Paul
the discussion to have a legal entity to represent/defend/valorize the
work made by the different contributors in Italy has a long story.
We started the discussion with the first OSMIT (the italian conference
dedicated to openstreetmap in Italy) in 2009 (we were less as 50
people)
At the time we discussed to have two directions: create a new
association or have a branch inside an another close to the goals of
openstreetmap .. but  the discussion didn't reach a result.
In 2013, always by OSMIT (around 80 partecipants), we discussed again
about this possibility.
But the proposal was to converge on Wikimedia Italy.
The following month it started a proposal, on this mailing list [0]
In short time different openstreetmap contributors have become members
of the Wikimedia Italy to support this idea.

Now I'm happy to read your email.

Wikimedia Italy has a good reputation in and she created different
interesting projects
This association reached also a lot of different kind of people and
had also the attention of the politicians.
I think that Wikimedia Italia can give more effort to the
OpenStreetMap in our Country.


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https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2013-November/039326.html

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Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 03.11.2015 18:40, Daniel Koć napisał(a):

W dniu 03.11.2015 13:17, Dave F. napisał(a):


2. Road widths
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4l8ZKWUAA-566.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS4tfRDWUAA6AkN.png

As can be seen, there's a problem with the new increased widths. At
interchanges individually mapped lanes are overlapping turning it into
a blob of colour. Wouldn't it be beneficial if the width was reduced
when the one-way tag is present?


This code change is probably to blame:

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1861

Probably this should be reverted or tweaked to be more conservative
(it's better if the road is a bit too narrow than a bit too wide).


Fast fix (reverting 50% of the latest width increase) has just been 
merged:


https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1972#event-464497448

If you want to test it yourself before it will be deployed on OSM 
servers, you can try installing development environment:


https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/INSTALL.md
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/657#issuecomment-121279334

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer une ressourcerie ?

[Vincent Bergeot]

Bonjour,
suite à des échanges avec Francescu, ci-dessous, une proposition

Le 19/05/2014 10:49, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :

Bonjour,
Comme l'indique le titre de ce mail, je cherche à tagguer des 
ressourceries.
"Kézako une ressourcerie ?" Pour faire court, c'est un lieu d'échange 
d'objets recyclés, réutilisés, ... Mais c'est aussi de la 
sensibilisation et du conseil aux particuliers, entreprises et 
collectivités sur le recyclage et la diminution des déchets, etc. Le 
tout s'inscrivant dans un esprit ESS (entreprise sociale et solidaire).
Plus d'infos ici : 
http://www.ressourcerie.fr/Vos-Ressourceries/Le-concept/Le-concept-explique


Du coup, comment classer ça ? shop=second_hand me parait bien réducteur...


une déchetterie "classique" 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type) :

amenity=recycling
recycling_type=center

une ressourcerie :
amenity=recycling
recycling_type=center
shop=second_hand

Vos avis ?

Cordialement

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer une ressourcerie ?

[Vincent Bergeot]

Bonjour,
si on reprend la définition donnée sur le mail initial en faisant 
référence au site 
http://www.ressourcerie.fr/Vos-Ressourceries/Le-concept/Le-concept-explique


on trouve, je cite :
"la Ressourcerie a 3 + 1 fonctions.

Elle *collecte* et *valorise *des *déchets encombrants* pour *revendre 
des objets de réemploi et réutilisation* à prix modiques. Voilà donc les 
trois premières fonctions."


ce qui amène la proposition faite

*déchets encombrants* : amenity=recycling
*elle collecte et valorise* : amenity_type= centre
*revendre des objets de réemploi et réutilisation : * shop=second_hand

les autres tags évoqués me semblent également important à ajouter, y 
compris par exemple :
les types de matériaux traités qui sont différents selon les 
ressourceries (vêtements, vélos, meubles, bois, ...) : 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:amenity%3Drecycling#Mat.C3.A9riaux


à vous lire


Le 14/11/2015 16:02, Philippe Verdy a écrit :


social_facility=resourcerie en français ? Il me semble que c'est une 
activité associative qui a de nombreux équivalents ailleurs qu'en 
France, notamment aussi en Allemagne, aux USA, au Royaume-Uni. Je 
conserverais donc le terme recycling (c'est bien le but et le domaine 
d'activité). Donc plutôt alors

social_facility=recycling

Et en cas de dépot-vente occasionnels (mais fréquents, pas 
nécessairement permanents et régulier), taguer un peu comme pour les 
centres Emmaüs, mais avec un tag indiquant que ce n'est pas régulier.


Souvent ces centres sont associés à des friperies (vêtements très pmeu 
chers voire donnés gratuitement à des personnes dans le besoin), et 
des distributions de colis alimentaires, ainsi qu'un lieu d'accueil 
avec des activités diverses revues en fonction des besoins et des 
disponibilité et volontés des personnes. Il peut aussi y avoir un 
service (payant mais peu cher) pour débarasser des appartements (par 
exemple un propriétaire qui veut débarasser l'appartement laissé par 
un locataire décédé, cela se fait en concertation avec un notaire 
chargé de régler une succession: les objets vendables sont mis en 
dépôt vente, le reste est récupéré par l'asso pour tri et dépot en 
déchetterie). Le produit de ces services finance d'autres choses (dont 
les achats alimentaires pour les distributions, l'assurance et 
l'entretien des véhicules, les dépenses de fonctionnement, téléphone, 
consommables, frais de courriers, réparations, entretien de locaux, 
chauffage, surveillance des locaux pendant les fermetures, achats 
d'outils ou de vêtements de travail pour les bénévoles ou les employés 
en contrat d'insertion ou s'occupent de jardins ou petites 
exploitations agricoles...). Enfin il peut y avoir des résidences 
sociales. Ces services sont à taguer en plus sur le même lieu avec des 
tags supplémentaires.


Il y a en fait une grande variété d'activités selon le terrain et les 
opportunités, et autant de tags.


Le 14 novembre 2015 15:47, Pierre GRANJON > a écrit :


Le tag amenity=recycling ne me semble pas très adapté, c’est en
effet très limitant. amenity=recycling évoque pour moi l’aspect
industriel. Je pense qu’il serait plus intéressant de mettre en
avant l’aspect social, puisque l’objectif d’une ressourcerie est
aussi de donner un travail à des personnes sans emploi ou de
rencontrer des gens.
Pourquoi pas amenity=social_facility avec un second
tag social_facility=ressourcerie par ex ?
leisure=hackerspace se rapproche aussi de ce qu’on peut faire dans
une ressourcerie.

Pierre


Le 14 nov. 2015 à 15:12, Philippe Verdy > a écrit :

il manque quand même l'aspectg
social/conseil/sensibilisation/promotion/formation/éducation. Un
centre de recyclage sinon n'st qu'un endroit pour amener les
déchets et c'est la collectivité qui mène les sensibilisations ou
impose le système aux particuliers et entreprises et les fait
financer par les éco-taxes obligatoires ou l'obligation de
récupérer les anciçens produits sur les lieux de vente (qui ne
sont pourtant pas non plus des lieux de collecte généralistes et
n'ont aucune obligatio nde récupérer les déchets pour tout le
monde sans vente associée).
Sinon une resourcerie sera surtout une asso qui en elle-même n'a
pas non plus à accepter tous les déchets qu'on lui amène, son
travail c'est plutpot de créer une filière de recyclage sur
certaines classes de produits qu'elle peut traiter (et il y a
plein de produits qu'une asso ne peut pas traiter elle-même,
notemment les déchets toxiques et polluants: métaux lourds,
amiante, huiles de moteurs, déchets de peintures/vernis/solvants,
produits pharaceutiques et déchets hospitaliers et médicaux).

Donc ok pour "amenity=recycling", mais c'est plutôt
"recycling_type=center" qui est trop généraliste.

Le "shop=second_hand" pourquoi pas mais 

[OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[Jean-Guilhem Cailton]

Bonsoir,

Un message d'amitié et de solidarité, et un "tagging" symbolique de la
part des contributeurs OpenStreetMap de par le monde.

Merci André.

Jean-Guilhem


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Hi,

OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
Wikipedia have been extremely fast
 in all
languages !!!
After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
how?):
Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France


I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.

It adds the following note 
to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
(they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
Translates to:
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.
Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
world.

Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.

By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
join the world's cry .
But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.

Cheers

André.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Florian Lohoff]

Hi,

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 03:04:41PM +0100, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
> I watch what new users do, reviewing their work and I am kind of fed
> up with how rarely newbies respond to changeset comments and messages.
> Have you observed such low rate in your area?
> Is there anything we could do in order to increase it? I feel it's so
> futile to ever contact these hit-and-run mappers. Maybe we could take
> something from vast existing knowledge on online marketing/UX and see
> what can be improved?

My experience is that old-timers are much harder to communicate with. 

Newbies are mostly really happy to find somebody communicating
and telling them about better and more tools to find stuff and how
stuff works. 

Oldtimers tend to tell "i have been doing this and that for xyz years
it cant be wrong and i know better for shure" - Old habits are 
difficult to get rid of.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Marc Zoutendijk]

> Op 14 nov. 2015, om 18:04 heeft Michał Brzozowski  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> 
> Recently I found out that simple "please fix" or "please respond" (if
> edits need clarification) boosts chances for a reply or fixing by the
> user. How about we make some tips/guidelines for communications with
> newcomers on the Wiki? People could share practices they find most
> effective.

A few months ago the Dutch community started sending out a welcome message to 
every new mapper with some general info and pointers to useful websites and 
wikis.
This helps a lot in making the new mappers feel more at home and make them more 
aware of the community.
Maybe and idea?
Here is the link that will show you all new mappers in your country (replace 
Countryname with your country of interest)

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountryfeed.php?c=Countryname

Marc.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Michał Brzozowski]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:44 PM, tony wroblewski
 wrote:
> From experience, I know that such responses are intimidating and put
> people off mapping. My girlfriend started mapping some areas when I
> showed her how to do it and immediately somebody sent her an email
> saying how she should be doing things because he doesn't map it that
> way

I do agree there may be no single correct way of mapping some things.
I am pretty liberal usually and I think mistakes that I mentioned are
quite objective. I don't nag people over things that can be done
correctly in many ways.

> and in the end she said she didn't like it and felt intimidated and decided 
> not to carry on.

I don't know, majority of us are grown-ups - who would know better
that an individual may be not representative of a group, and that one
should not take offence easily. It may be that due to our flat
structure one can't tell who is important and who is not.

> I think people need a playpen where they can try out ideas and map
> before contributing to the main map (Maybe there already is, I don't
> know). I think it should also be a requirement that people add a
> comment upon every commit to avoid such arguments. I'm getting a
> little tired of seeing constant updates in my area from people who
> don't add comments on why or what they've changed.

I do agree this is needed, as in Wikipedia. But how would people get
the feedback on what they mapped? We would also need something on the
data consumption side. That could be tricky. For instance, routing
needs time to import data. Also, we teach people not to tag for the
renderer, which is an issue as iD supports much more POI than are
rendered by osm-carto. I can imagine that WYSIWYG-ing what is
currently could backfire.

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Marc Zoutendijk  wrote:

> Here is the link that will show you all new mappers in your country (replace 
> Countryname with your country of interest)
>
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountryfeed.php?c=Countryname

Thanks. I use openstreetmap.pl/users - usually (if it isn't out of
sync), it can be faster - resultmaps update only hourly. It is also
connected to the #osm-pl IRC channel.

Michał

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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Bryce Cogswell]

> On Nov 14, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Michał Brzozowski  wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 7:44 PM, tony wroblewski  
> wrote:
> 
>> I think people need a playpen where they can try out ideas and map
>> before contributing to the main map (Maybe there already is, I don't
>> know). I think it should also be a requirement that people add a
>> comment upon every commit to avoid such arguments. I'm getting a
>> little tired of seeing constant updates in my area from people who
>> don't add comments on why or what they've changed.
> 
> I do agree this is needed, as in Wikipedia. But how would people get
> the feedback on what they mapped? 

We could require the first few changesets a newbie submits to require review 
before going into the database. Make it obvious that they are in a trial period 
so they don’t need to worry about breaking things. We’d need a special queue 
for these to go into, and a roulette for experienced mappers to yes/no/feedback 
them. 

This would also be helpful for when all those new spam accounts starting 
changing phone numbers to 900 (pay per call) numbers and URLs to malware/scam 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[André Pirard]

On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> Hi
>
> I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone 
> else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I 
> would rather have your changeset reverted.
My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
feared this reply.
> Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. 
That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
about it.
At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of
yeses, I will revert.
So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.

By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
decision is made by Monday.

And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what
you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not the
website of the element but to information related to it.
> There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
>
> If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed 
> and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which 
> too many people are already doing.
I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much boasting?

Cheers

André.


> Regards
> Ruben
>
>
> Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
>> Hi,
>>
>> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
>> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
>> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
>>  in all
>> languages !!!
>> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
>> how?):
>> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
>> 
>>
>> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
>> happened here on 2015-11-13.
>> 
>> It adds the following note 
>> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
>> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
>>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
>>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
>>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
>> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
>> Translates to:
>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
>> happened here on 2015-11-13.
>> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
>> world.
>>
>> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
>> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
>> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
>>
>> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
>> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
>> join the world's cry .
>> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> André.
>>
>>
>

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[Karel Adams]

Ruben heeft gelijk. Politiek is politiek. Dat is niet de bekommernis van 
onze gemeenschappelijke zaak ("cause commune").


Et à vous André: il ne faut pas mettre en question, voire même valider, 
l'opinion générale avant de l'avoir sollicitée.


Karel

On 14-11-15 17:07, André Pirard wrote:

On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :

Hi

I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, 
I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather 
have your changeset reverted.
My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I 
feared this reply.

Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers.
That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion 
about it.

At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority 
of yeses, I will revert.

So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.

By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a 
decision is made by Monday.


And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us 
what you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not 
the website of the element but to information related to it.

There may even be terrorists here for all we know.

If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and 
have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many 
people are already doing.

I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much 
boasting?


Cheers

André.



Regards
Ruben


Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:

Hi,

OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
Wikipedia have been extremely fast
  in all
languages !!!
After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
how?):
Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France


I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.

It adds the following note
to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
(they were perfectly mapped, bravo)

Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.

In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters.
Translates to:
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.
Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
world.

Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.

By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
join the world's cry .
But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.

Cheers

André.








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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[Ruben Maes]

14/11/2015 18:07:06, André Pirard:
> On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone 
> > else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I 
> > would rather have your changeset reverted.
> My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
> feared this reply.
> > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. 
> That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
> about it.
> At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
> I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of
> yeses, I will revert.
> So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.

Of course my thoughts are with the victims, but adding it to the map is not the 
way, just because it is not something that belongs in a GIS. Besides, all that 
attention is exactly what those filthy terrorists want!

> By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
> decision is made by Monday.
> 
> And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what
> you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not the
> website of the element but to information related to it.

We don't add tags to the Bristish Parliament for the Gunpowder Treason page, or 
to some random grass field for the Waterloo Battle, or such things. If a 
monument is erected for these attacks, you can map the monument and add the 
monument's Wikipedia page and Wikidata item to the monument's OSM object. The 
Wikidata item should link to both the item for the events and all involved 
locations.

Wikipedia and Wikidata tags should point to the item about the object itself, 
and nothing else.

> > There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
> >
> > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed 
> > and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which 
> > too many people are already doing.
> I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
> Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much boasting?

Humanitarian tagging is actually helping the victims. We can tell the world 
that we are doing this because some people will say, "Hey, I can actually help 
this way instead of changing my profile picture", and that will make the next 
crisis response even better.

> Cheers
> 
> André.
> 
> 
> > Regards
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> >> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
> >> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> >>  in all
> >> languages !!!
> >> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> >> how?):
> >> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> >> 
> >>
> >> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> >> 
> >> It adds the following note 
> >> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> >> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> >>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> >>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> >>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> >> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
> >> Translates to:
> >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> >> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> >> world.
> >>
> >> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> >> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> >> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> >>
> >> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> >> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> >> join the world's cry .
> >> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> André.
> >>
> >>
> >
> 


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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[GerdP]

Michał Brzozowski wrote
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Gerd Petermann
> 

> GPetermann_muenchen@

>  wrote:
>> I think that's quite okay presuming that many users don't speak english
> I forgot to mention. My operations with respect to newcomers are
> almost solely in Poland. So I write in Polish.
> 
>> and another group simply doesn't like to be watched / corrected
> I thought this is what community is about? Reviewing others' work? ;-)
> The things I write about are rather obvious mistakes, like: no main
> POI tag (amenity, shop, ...), free text in opening_hours, geometry
> errors and so on.
> 
> Recently I found out that simple "please fix" or "please respond" (if
> edits need clarification) boosts chances for a reply or fixing by the
> user. How about we make some tips/guidelines for communications with
> newcomers on the Wiki? People could share practices they find most
> effective.

Well, during my worktime I learned that a phrase like this works very well:
"please help me to understand why you do it like this ..." or
"please explain what the tag xyz means"
If you think that you have a better idea, add something like
"maybe you meant  ?"  
You don't risk to sound like Big Brother or a smartass, the odds are good
that 
you get a response.

Sometimes I just change obvious errors and ask for a review of
my changeset. No answer means OK for me, for any answer I say
thank you and maybe more where useful.

I also learned that in some countries it is not common
to say "okay, I've done something wrong, what can we do to make it better?",
instead the first thought seems to be "what can I do to keep my face?".

Gerd



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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Michał Brzozowski]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Gerd Petermann
 wrote:
> I think that's quite okay presuming that many users don't speak english
I forgot to mention. My operations with respect to newcomers are
almost solely in Poland. So I write in Polish.

> and another group simply doesn't like to be watched / corrected
I thought this is what community is about? Reviewing others' work? ;-)
The things I write about are rather obvious mistakes, like: no main
POI tag (amenity, shop, ...), free text in opening_hours, geometry
errors and so on.

Recently I found out that simple "please fix" or "please respond" (if
edits need clarification) boosts chances for a reply or fixing by the
user. How about we make some tips/guidelines for communications with
newcomers on the Wiki? People could share practices they find most
effective.

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> Hi,
> 
> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks> in all
> languages !!!
> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> how?):
> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France>
> 
> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/35307155>
> It adds the following note <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note>
> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
> Translates to:
> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> world.
> 
> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> 
> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> join the world's cry .
> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> André.
> 
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> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:24:32 +0100
> From: Ruben Maes <ru...@janmaes.com>
> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <talk-be@openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in
>   Paris
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> 
> Hi
> 
> I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone 
> else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I 
> would rather have your changeset reverted.
> 
> Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. There 
> may even be terrorists here for all we know.
> 
> If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed 
> and have the feeling tha

Re: [Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

[Stefano]

Hi Paul,
I'm glad to know the process is moving forward!
Wikimedia Italy has already started to do some work with the OSM community
and the official chapter could be a big step..

Thanks,
Stefano

2015-11-13 22:06 GMT+01:00 Paul Norman :

> The OSMF has received an application from Wikimedia Italia for a subgroup
> within their organization to become the OSMF Italy chapter. For
> consultation
> and as part of due diligence we are asking the Italian community for
> comments
> on the application.
>
> At this time some of the documents are still being translated into English.
> I'm waiting for this to be finished before sending out a message to
> osmf-talk@
> or local-chapters@.
>
> Details of the application can be found at
> http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Italy
> and the standard template agreement that would be signed is at
> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Template_agreement.
>
> More information on local chapters can be found at
> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/FAQ
>
> I want to thank the applicant for being patient, as the process has taken
> longer than it should.
>
> Paul Norman
> Secretary
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>
> Name & Registered Office:
> Openstreetmap Foundation
> 132 Maney Hill Road
> Sutton Coldfield
> B72 1JU
> United Kingdom
> A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
> Registration No. 05912761.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[joost schouppe]

I agree with Ruben and Karel. OSM is a place for facts, not opinions.

Wikidata linking would be great, though.
Op 14-nov.-2015 18:29 schreef "Ruben Maes" :

> 14/11/2015 18:07:06, André Pirard:
> > On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like
> everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of
> messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.
> > My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
> > feared this reply.
> > > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers.
> > That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
> > about it.
> > At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
> > I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of
> > yeses, I will revert.
> > So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.
>
> Of course my thoughts are with the victims, but adding it to the map is
> not the way, just because it is not something that belongs in a GIS.
> Besides, all that attention is exactly what those filthy terrorists want!
>
> > By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
> > decision is made by Monday.
> >
> > And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what
> > you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not the
> > website of the element but to information related to it.
>
> We don't add tags to the Bristish Parliament for the Gunpowder Treason
> page, or to some random grass field for the Waterloo Battle, or such
> things. If a monument is erected for these attacks, you can map the
> monument and add the monument's Wikipedia page and Wikidata item to the
> monument's OSM object. The Wikidata item should link to both the item for
> the events and all involved locations.
>
> Wikipedia and Wikidata tags should point to the item about the object
> itself, and nothing else.
>
> > > There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
> > >
> > > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel
> ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own
> cause, which too many people are already doing.
> > I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
> > Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much
> boasting?
>
> Humanitarian tagging is actually helping the victims. We can tell the
> world that we are doing this because some people will say, "Hey, I can
> actually help this way instead of changing my profile picture", and that
> will make the next crisis response even better.
>
> > Cheers
> >
> > André.
> >
> >
> > > Regards
> > > Ruben
> > >
> > >
> > > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> > >> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
> > >> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> > >>  in all
> > >> languages !!!
> > >> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this
> (but
> > >> how?):
> > >> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> > >> <
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France
> >
> > >>
> > >> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> > >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> > >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> > >> 
> > >> It adds the following note <
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note>
> > >> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> > >> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> > >>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> > >>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> > >>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> > >> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256
> characters.
> > >> Translates to:
> > >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> > >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> > >> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around
> the
> > >> world.
> > >>
> > >> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> > >> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> > >> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> > >>
> > >> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> > >> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and
> to
> > >> join the world's cry .
> > >> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> André.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[tony wroblewski]

From experience, I know that such responses are intimidating and put
people off mapping. My girlfriend started mapping some areas when I
showed her how to do it and immediately somebody sent her an email
saying how she should be doing things because he doesn't map it that
way (Neither way was official or written down anyway), and in the end
she said she didn't like it and felt intimidated and decided not to
carry on.

I think people need a playpen where they can try out ideas and map
before contributing to the main map (Maybe there already is, I don't
know). I think it should also be a requirement that people add a
comment upon every commit to avoid such arguments. I'm getting a
little tired of seeing constant updates in my area from people who
don't add comments on why or what they've changed.

Tony


On 14 November 2015 at 18:04, Michał Brzozowski  wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Gerd Petermann
>  wrote:
>> I think that's quite okay presuming that many users don't speak english
> I forgot to mention. My operations with respect to newcomers are
> almost solely in Poland. So I write in Polish.
>
>> and another group simply doesn't like to be watched / corrected
> I thought this is what community is about? Reviewing others' work? ;-)
> The things I write about are rather obvious mistakes, like: no main
> POI tag (amenity, shop, ...), free text in opening_hours, geometry
> errors and so on.
>
> Recently I found out that simple "please fix" or "please respond" (if
> edits need clarification) boosts chances for a reply or fixing by the
> user. How about we make some tips/guidelines for communications with
> newcomers on the Wiki? People could share practices they find most
> effective.
>
> Michał
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Re: [Talk-ca] Can't merge 2 layers in JOSM

[Bernard Loyer]

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:23:07 -0500
From: Pierre Choffet 
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Can't merge 2 layers in JOSM
Message-ID: <56462a8b.6090...@wanadoo.fr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Le 12/11/2015 23:39, Bernard Loyer a écrit :
> Here below an error message when I try to merge 2 layers in JOSM.
> 'Data Layer 8' was my dowloaded data from OSM for editing, and the
> layer '031M15.1.osm' was obviously the tile from Toporama, which I
> wanted to merge into 'Data Layer 8'. What should I do?
Bonjour Bernard,

Ce message n'est là qu'à titre indicatif et ne t'empêchera pas de faire
l'envoi. Il est juste présent pour s'assurer que tu es bien conscient de
ce que tu fais. Il te faut t'assurer de deux choses notamment :

- L'intégrité des données que tu vas envoyer est bonne. La fusion de
deux jeux de données peut entraîner l'apparition de doublons, dans ce
cas il est de ton ressort de les traiter. Par ailleurs, les données que
tu as importé sont-elles connectées aux données déjà présentes dans OSM
(pour les routes, les lacs, les forêts…) ?
- La licence des données que tu souhaites importer est-elle compatible
avec l'ODbL d'OpenStreetMap ? Il semblerait que les données de Toporama
soient fournies sous la Licence du gouvernement ouvert 2.0 du Canada (
http://ouvert.canada.ca/fr/licence-du-gouvernement-ouvert-canada ),
auquel cas la compatibilité est assurée. Peux-tu nous dire où tu as
téléchargé les données, que l'on puisse vérifier ?

Pierre

Bonjour Pierre,
Les données que je veux importer dans JOSM viennent de : 
http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/toporama/en/index.html tel que suggéré par 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_WMS_Layers. La partie de OSM que je 
veux mettre à jour, soit presque tout le témiscamingue au sud de Rouyn-Noranda 
(matrice '31' de CanTopo), a très peu d'info, et avant de faire un 'merge', je 
m'assure de supprimer les données déjà présentes. Et si il y a conflit entre 2 
données, j'en prends note et je vérifie avec mon GPS plus tard. Et je me base 
sur les directives de OSM pour connecter les données d'une matrice à l'autre, 
en visionnant les vidéos à ce sujet.
Bernard 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Marc Zoutendijk]

> Op 14 nov. 2015, om 20:49 heeft Clifford Snow  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> I like that concept. I try to invite new users are in the geographic area of 
> our meetup group. If I think they need a helpful hint I add it to the welcome 
> message. I'd really like to automate the process. Is there a way to automate 
> sending messages to all new users or do you have to send each on 
> individually? 
> 

Given the number of weekly new mappers (around 10-12) it’s easy to send them 
the message individually. I have prepared a basic text that’s being used. I 
always check what the first edits are, and based on that I sometimes add a more 
personal note to help them out if it looks they got stuck or if they really 
messed things up.

I’ll start doing some statiscal research to see what number of mappers are 
really returning mappers. But this makes only sense after a few more months. I 
also noted that some of those mappers have registered themselves months (even 
years) ago before they start mapping.

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[Talk-it] Changesets user Edoardo1

[John Doe]

Buongiorno,

desidero portare alla vostra attenzione i changesets di questo nuovo
utente: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Edoardo1
Così ad occhio mi sembra abbia cancellato senza apparente motivo un bel po'
di roba zona provincia di Reggio Calabria e zona provincia di Catania.
Spero ci sia qualcuno di quelle zone che voglia analizzarei changesets.

Saluti
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cadastre indispo?

[osm . sanspourriel]

Oui, le WMS marche bien, tu peux le vérifier avec une adresse concrète :
http://inspire.cadastre.gouv.fr/scpc/56078.wms?service=WMS=GetMap=1.3=EPSG:4326=256=256=47.826064192027395,-3.5012054443359375,47.826294692755766,-3.5008621215820312=BU.Building,AMORCES_CAD,CP.CadastralParcel,HYDRO,BORNE_REPERE,DETAIL_TOPO,LIEUDIT,VOiE_COMMUNICATION==image/png

Le TMS est un autre service, on n'est pas obligé d'utiliser le TMS.
Souvent le TMS est comme ici cascadé.
Rien ne t'empêche par exemple de t'installer un Geoserver de le faire 
pointer vers ce WMS et utiliser le GeoWebCache intégré pour récupérer un 
service TMS.
Je suppose qu'un GeoWebCache ou un TileServer peut créer un TMS depuis 
un WMS.

Tu dois aussi en trouver en ligne.

Jean-Yvon

Le 13/11/2015 21:34, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
Un WMS sans TMS est-il encore un WMS ? A mon avis on ne peut pas dire 
que le WMS fonctionne si le TMS associé ne fonctionne pas pour fournir 
les tuiles indiquées. Le WMS ne peut que fabriquer une page 
HTML/javascript/CSS sensée demander les tuiles TMS correspondant à un 
ou plusieurs critères de recherche, il ajuste les niveaux de zoom, les 
projections, et détermine les numéros de tuiles et l'adresse de base 
d'un des serveurs TMS supportés, ou des jeux de données vectorielles, 
qu'un framework javascript (également retourné par le WMS) permettra 
d'afficher sur un ou plusieurs calques, et de naviguer.
Chez moi je n'obtiens rien du tout de concret avec le WMS. Tu dois 
regarder un ancienne vue WMS de ton cache.


Le 13 novembre 2015 21:07, didier2020 > a écrit :


josm 8989:
- le plugin cadastre est ok
- le wms (ou l'on doit saisir le code insee de la commune) est ok

wms:http://inspire.cadastre.gouv.fr/scpc/15028.wms?service=WMS=GetMap=1.3={proj}={width}={height}={bbox}=BU.Building,AMORCES_CAD,CP.CadastralParcel,HYDRO,BORNE_REPERE,DETAIL_TOPO,LIEUDIT,VOiE_COMMUNICATION==image/png



par contre le cadastre ne fonctionne plus
tms:http://tms.cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/*/tout/{z}/{x}/{y}.png




Le vendredi 13 novembre 2015 à 19:17 +0100, Jérôme Seigneuret a
écrit :
> Salut, J'ai le même problème sous JOSM
>
>
> Jérôme
>
> Le 13 novembre 2015 14:01, pepilepi...@ovh.fr
 > a
> écrit :
> Le 13/11/2015 12:34, Donat ROBAUX a écrit :
>
> > Bonjour,
> >
> >
> > J'ai l'impression que la couche cadastre est indispo.
> >
> > Quelqu'un pour vérifier?
> >
> >
> >
> > Donat
> >
>
> En effet, [14:00] j'ai aussi "Error : problem loading
tile"...
>
> JP
>
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Michał Brzozowski]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> I like that concept. I try to invite new users are in the geographic area of
> our meetup group. If I think they need a helpful hint I add it to the
> welcome message. I'd really like to automate the process. Is there a way to
> automate sending messages to all new users or do you have to send each on
> individually?

There is no *official* API for messages (apparently, for a reason).
A few years ago, Andrzej Zaborowski (balrog-kun / sir-mapalot) did
send such welcome messages to Polish newcomers - to every fourth
mapper, based on (uid mod 4). It was a form of an A/B test, though for
results you would have to contact him. If I recall correctly, he told
it was statistically insignificant with respect to users' later
engagement.

I did receive such greeting messsage back in 2012 and probably it
helped me to engage with the community (I jumped straight into IRC to
ask some questions). Different countries have different main forms of
contact (forum, mailing list, IRC, FB, VK and so on)

Michał

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Re: [Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

[Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi]

I can confirm the WMI option was discussed and agreed by the vast majority
of active italian users.
+1 for it

2015-11-14 19:42 GMT+02:00 Stefano :

> Hi Paul,
> I'm glad to know the process is moving forward!
> Wikimedia Italy has already started to do some work with the OSM community
> and the official chapter could be a big step..
>
> Thanks,
> Stefano
>
> 2015-11-13 22:06 GMT+01:00 Paul Norman :
>
>> The OSMF has received an application from Wikimedia Italia for a subgroup
>> within their organization to become the OSMF Italy chapter. For
>> consultation
>> and as part of due diligence we are asking the Italian community for
>> comments
>> on the application.
>>
>> At this time some of the documents are still being translated into
>> English.
>> I'm waiting for this to be finished before sending out a message to
>> osmf-talk@
>> or local-chapters@.
>>
>> Details of the application can be found at
>> http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Italy
>> and the standard template agreement that would be signed is at
>> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Template_agreement.
>>
>> More information on local chapters can be found at
>> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/FAQ
>>
>> I want to thank the applicant for being patient, as the process has taken
>> longer than it should.
>>
>> Paul Norman
>> Secretary
>> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>>
>> Name & Registered Office:
>> Openstreetmap Foundation
>> 132 Maney Hill Road
>> Sutton Coldfield
>> B72 1JU
>> United Kingdom
>> A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
>> Registration No. 05912761.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cadastre indispo?

[jseigneuret-pro]

Ok, j'ai du pointer sur une zone vierge ou un niveau de zoom vide... Merci pour 
l'info 

En date de : Sam 14.11.15, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com 
 a écrit :

 Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cadastre indispo?
 À: talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
 Date: Samedi 14 novembre 2015, 20h42
 
 Oui, le WMS marche bien,
 tu peux le vérifier avec une adresse concrète :
 
http://inspire.cadastre.gouv.fr/scpc/56078.wms?service=WMS=GetMap=1.3=EPSG:4326=256=256=47.826064192027395,-3.5012054443359375,47.826294692755766,-3.5008621215820312=BU.Building,AMORCES_CAD,CP.CadastralParcel,HYDRO,BORNE_REPERE,DETAIL_TOPO,LIEUDIT,VOiE_COMMUNICATION==image/png
 
 Le TMS est un autre service,
 on n'est pas obligé d'utiliser le TMS.
 Souvent le TMS est comme ici cascadé.
 Rien ne t'empêche par exemple de
 t'installer un Geoserver de le faire 
 pointer vers ce WMS et utiliser le GeoWebCache
 intégré pour récupérer un 
 service
 TMS.
 Je suppose qu'un GeoWebCache ou un
 TileServer peut créer un TMS depuis 
 un
 WMS.
 Tu dois aussi en trouver en ligne.
 
 Jean-Yvon
 
 Le 13/11/2015 21:34, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr
 a écrit :
 > Un WMS sans TMS est-il
 encore un WMS ? A mon avis on ne peut pas dire 
 > que le WMS fonctionne si le TMS associé
 ne fonctionne pas pour fournir 
 > les
 tuiles indiquées. Le WMS ne peut que fabriquer une page 
 > HTML/javascript/CSS sensée demander les
 tuiles TMS correspondant à un 
 > ou
 plusieurs critères de recherche, il ajuste les niveaux de
 zoom, les 
 > projections, et détermine
 les numéros de tuiles et l'adresse de base 
 > d'un des serveurs TMS supportés, ou
 des jeux de données vectorielles, 
 >
 qu'un framework javascript (également retourné par le
 WMS) permettra 
 > d'afficher sur un
 ou plusieurs calques, et de naviguer.
 >
 Chez moi je n'obtiens rien du tout de concret avec le
 WMS. Tu dois 
 > regarder un ancienne vue
 WMS de ton cache.
 >
 >
 Le 13 novembre 2015 21:07, didier2020  >
 a écrit :
 >
 > 
    josm 8989:
 > 
    - le plugin cadastre est ok
 >     - le wms (ou l'on doit
 saisir le code insee de la commune) est ok
 >     
 >wms:http://inspire.cadastre.gouv.fr/scpc/15028.wms?service=WMS=GetMap=1.3={proj}={width}={height}={bbox}=BU.Building,AMORCES_CAD,CP.CadastralParcel,HYDRO,BORNE_REPERE,DETAIL_TOPO,LIEUDIT,VOiE_COMMUNICATION==image/png
 >     
 >
 >
 >     par
 contre le cadastre ne fonctionne plus
 > 
    tms:http://tms.cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/*/tout/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
 >     
 >
 >
 >
 >     Le
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped (osm: message 6 of 20) places in Paris

[jseigneuret-pro]

 J'allais compléter
 par un note:en mais il y a eu un revert :
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2015-November/007998.html
 
J'ai voulu faire la même en note:fr ... Mais le revert m'a un peu refroidi.
 
Mais bon ça me fait penser au ajout de tag pour la ZAD du Testet (c'est pas de 
la même ampleur mais bon)

Mes pensées vont aux familles des victimes. Je suis juste sidéré de voir ce 
qu'il s'est passé.
J'avoue franchement que j'ai peur pour l'avenir quand on voit le déroulement 
des derniers événements.

Bonne soirée tout de même.
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Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

[Richard Welty]

On 11/14/15 4:25 PM, Paul Fox wrote:
> russ wrote:
>  > Paul Johnson writes:
>  >  > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included relations and
>  >  > graphical shields myself, since that's almost a throwaway ticklist item 
> for
>  >  > maps (and particularly online maps) the world over these days.
>  > 
>  > I took the time to create relations for all of my county's routes
>  > because I wanted to see them rendered with graphical shields.
>
> thinking about the term "sunset" in the subject:  when route relations
> are created, does that mean the ref= tags go away?  seems like there's
> a need for a transition period in there somewhere.
>
yes, there would need to be a period (possibly a fairly long one) for the
transition.

richard

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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Marc Zoutendijk]

> Op 14 nov. 2015, om 20:11 heeft Michał Brzozowski  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Thanks. I use openstreetmap.pl/users - usually (if it isn't out of
> sync), it can be faster - resultmaps update only hourly. It is also
> connected to the #osm-pl IRC channel.

That kind of detail is not relevant. We send out the welcome message about once 
every 4-5 days.
And we send only messages to mappers that realy did edit. Sometimes mappers 
register only to do their first edit years later….

Marc.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Marc Zoutendijk 
wrote:

> A few months ago the Dutch community started sending out a welcome message
> to every new mapper with some general info and pointers to useful websites
> and wikis.
> This helps a lot in making the new mappers feel more at home and make them
> more aware of the community.
> Maybe and idea?
> Here is the link that will show you all new mappers in your country
> (replace Countryname with your country of interest)
>
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountryfeed.php?c=Countryname
>

I like that concept. I try to invite new users are in the geographic area
of our meetup group. If I think they need a helpful hint I add it to the
welcome message. I'd really like to automate the process. Is there a way to
automate sending messages to all new users or do you have to send each on
individually?

Clifford


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped (osm: message 6 of 20) places in Paris

[osm . sanspourriel]

J'allais compléter par un note:en mais il y a eu un revert :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2015-November/007998.html

Jean-Yvon

Le 14/11/2015 19:12, Jean-Guilhem Cailton - j...@arkemie.com a écrit :

Bonsoir,

Un message d'amitié et de solidarité, et un "tagging" symbolique de la 
part des contributeurs OpenStreetMap de par le monde.


Merci André.

Jean-Guilhem


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Sujet : [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris
Date :  Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:14:57 +0100
De :André Pirard 
Répondre à : 	Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 

Pour : 	Tag discussion, strategy and related tools 
, OpenStreetMap Belgium 





Hi,

OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
Wikipedia have been extremely fast 
 in all 
languages !!!
After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this 
(but how?):
Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France 



I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that 
happened here on 2015-11-13. 

It adds the following note 
 to the OSM elements at 
the 6 attacked locations.

(they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques 
terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de 
tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 
characters.  Translates to:
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that 
happened here on 2015-11-13.
Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around 
the world.


Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.

By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and 
to join the world's cry .

But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.

Cheers

André.






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Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

[Russ Nelson]

Paul Johnson writes:
 > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included relations and
 > graphical shields myself, since that's almost a throwaway ticklist item for
 > maps (and particularly online maps) the world over these days.

I took the time to create relations for all of my county's routes
because I wanted to see them rendered with graphical shields.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Simon Poole]

Am 14.11.2015 um 18:04 schrieb Michał Brzozowski:
... lots of stuff ...

This is not a new complaint/moan. The major issue is the people that
have made OSM one of/their major hobby (aka us) fretting about the fact
that lots of other people just joined to fix something or test. They
typically didn't want to sign up for Facebook 2.0 and most of the time
clearly didn't want to engage in long winded discussion about editing
corectness. Naturally there are some practical issues on top of that
(e-mail etc.), but they are unlikely to play a major role.

The good news is that the ratio of Newbies to Old Hands has not really
changed over the last couple of years (roughly 2/3 vs 1/3 annually, 10%
on a daily base) . We've proven that we are able to deal with the issues
in the past, so there is no reason to believe that, with the far better
tools and editors that we have now, there is any issue going forward. 

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Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

[Paul Fox]

russ wrote:
 > Paul Johnson writes:
 >  > I was really hoping the latest carto would have included relations and
 >  > graphical shields myself, since that's almost a throwaway ticklist item 
 > for
 >  > maps (and particularly online maps) the world over these days.
 > 
 > I took the time to create relations for all of my county's routes
 > because I wanted to see them rendered with graphical shields.

thinking about the term "sunset" in the subject:  when route relations
are created, does that mean the ref= tags go away?  seems like there's
a need for a transition period in there somewhere.

paul
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped (osm: message 6 of 20) places in Paris

[Philippe Verdy]

Revert aproprié à mon avis. OSM peut donner des infos géographiques, pas
événementielles et ponctuelles dans le temps.
Cela n'empêche pas des articles ayant besoin de cartographie d'utiliser les
données OSM pour afficher une carte situant les événements.
Sur la liste de diffusion de Wikimedia d'ailleurs la suggestion d'utiliser
Wikidata est bonne et suffit à lier les articles de toutes les éditions de
Wikipédia, Wikinews, ou d'autres sites vers une cartographie qui était déjà
exacte, suffisante.
Plus tard on verra s'il faut ajouter quelquechose, car il y aura
certainement des objets commémoratifs installés de façon péreine à
proximité (on pourra alors ajouter dessus un lien externe vers Wikipedia
vers un article approprié). Ca n'empêchera pas cette date d'hier soir de
rentrer dans l'histoire.
Et même dans Wikipedia le sujet est brulant et est compliqué à gérer avec
un nombre impressionnant de rumeurs et faits non vérifiés (ou pas encore
vérifiables), et un nombre considérable d'éditions. La presse elle-même se
fait piéger dans les rumeurs, les sources sont encore peu fiables, et
contineuent de se contredire entre elles voire simultanément sur la même
antenne (par exemple quand CNN affiche les images de BFMTV avec les
bandeaux en français, contredisant les bandeaux en anglais ajoutés par CNN).
On voit de tout, on est loin de ce qui est encyclopédique et qui restera
(avec des désaccords persistants mais des éléments stables quand même). Et
on ne peut pas mesurer les conséquences. Les rumeurs et me^me les réactiojs
politiques à chaud ne sont pas bonnes conseillères. Elles donnnent des lois
inutiles ou inapplicables, et des conséquences graves qui compliquent
encore la résolution des problèmes, alors que ces problèmes sont pourtant
déjà très anciens mais n'ont pas fait l'objet de réflexion et de réels
accords pour trouver une voie de sortie.
Bref ne faisaons pas dans OSM dans l'urgence, Wikipédia a déjà bien du mal
à suivre. Mais attendons d'avoir des sources sérieuses, vérifiables et
persistantes, même si elles persistent à monter des désaccords (et alors ne
cachons pas ces désaccords pour respecter une neutralité nécessaire dans
laquelle d'autres solutions pourront émerger ou pourront être négociées,
malgré nos litiges).
En attendant, une seule chose est utile pour montrer sa solidatrité, mais
pas sur OSM: les réseaux sociaux, les débats, les demandes concrètes
d'aide, les services mutuels...

Le 14 novembre 2015 22:09,  a écrit :

>  J'allais compléter
>  par un note:en mais il y a eu un revert :
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2015-November/007998.html
>
> J'ai voulu faire la même en note:fr ... Mais le revert m'a un peu refroidi.
>
> Mais bon ça me fait penser au ajout de tag pour la ZAD du Testet (c'est
> pas de la même ampleur mais bon)
>
> Mes pensées vont aux familles des victimes. Je suis juste sidéré de voir
> ce qu'il s'est passé.
> J'avoue franchement que j'ai peur pour l'avenir quand on voit le
> déroulement des derniers événements.
>
> Bonne soirée tout de même.
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Re: [Talk-ca] Can't merge 2 layers in JOSM

[Pierre Choffet]

Le 14/11/2015 17:01, Bernard Loyer a écrit :
> Les données que je veux importer dans JOSM viennent de
> : http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/toporama/en/index.html tel que suggéré
> par http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada_WMS_Layers
Cette page pointe directement sur les données de CanVec, pas de problème
de compatibilité de licence dans ce cas !

> . La partie de OSM que je veux mettre à jour, soit presque tout le
> témiscamingue au sud de Rouyn-Noranda (matrice '31' de CanTopo), a
> très peu d'info, et avant de faire un 'merge', je m'assure de
> supprimer les données déjà présentes. Et si il y a conflit entre 2
> données, j'en prends note et je vérifie avec mon GPS plus tard. Et je
> me base sur les directives de OSM pour connecter les données d'une
> matrice à l'autre, en visionnant les vidéos à ce sujet.
Parfait, tu sais tout ce qu'il faut savoir avant de te lancer, tu peux
simplement ignorer l'avertissement de JOSM. Une dernière chose, n'oublie
pas que les règles de contributions imposent l'utilisation d'un compte
séparé de ton compte habituel quand tu effectues un import.

L'import de CanVec peut parfois amener à résoudre des situations assez
complexes à cause des données déjà présentes dans OSM, n'hésite pas à
demander de l'aide ici en cas de problème !

Bon courage.

Pierre

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