Re[2]: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Michael Acklin]

Friday, July 22, 2005, 4:58:04 PM, (Internet Time - @956) you wrote:

Hello Mary,

 Confirmed


MB this bug down!

MB> Exactly as you said would happen--no smiley quoted.  

I tried both from Confirmed down to smiley on Stuart's Message and on
Mary's message from Smiley up to Confirmed and don't see the smiley.


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Re[3]: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Michael Acklin]

Friday, July 22, 2005, 4:54:28 PM, (Internet Time - @954) you wrote:

Hello Stuart,

 >>>Confirmed


MB>>> this bug down!  

Did just like Stuart said and I don't see a smiley. It was included in
the highlighted area.

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Re: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Stuart!


On Friday, July 22, 2005, 4:54 PM, you wrote:

>>>Confirmed


MB>>> this bug down!

Exactly as you said would happen--no smiley quoted. :)

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Re[2]: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Ian,

  A reminder of what Ian A. White typed on:
  Friday, July 22, 2005 at 07:26:45 GMT +1000

>>Confirmed


MB>> this bug down! :(

IAW> I am replying here as your message had a smiley as the last "word" in
IAW> the message except for the signature and it has quoted correctly with
IAW> F4. I manually copied the other lines I have quoted.

IAW> Is this what is meant by "except the very last one!"? If it is then I
IAW> can't confirm it.

Try to reply to this message by selecting the word confirmed and the
lines below including the smiley, but nothing below it. Then press F4
to reply to selection.

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Re: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Ian!

On Friday, July 22, 2005, 4:26 PM, you wrote:

> I am replying here as your message had a smiley as the last "word" in
> the message except for the signature and it has quoted correctly with
> F4. I manually copied the other lines I have quoted.

> Is this what is meant by "except the very last one!"? If it is then I
> can't confirm it.

Exactly. It doesn't always happen. That's what I was saying to Henk
and to Stuart C. See
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks for writing. Every little piece of info does help, I do
believe!

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Re: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Stuart!

On Friday, July 22, 2005, 12:34 PM, you wrote:

>> Occasionally, though, even that will fail. :woe:

> It seems to work every time if I only select one line.

> If I select two or more lines then I must also select the next line to
> get the smiley retained.

I hope it will turn out to be this way consistently. Then, we might
have a chance of eradicating it.

My memory of it is that occasionally in the past, smileys in the
middle of lines have been omitted. Although, I can't right now recall
a specific message as an example. Or, Smileys at ends of lines within
a paragraph where the full paragraph was quoted, were dropped.

But, can't be sure. I just have a strong memory of it's having
happened. Unless I dreamed it. ;)

Anyway, I can't thank you enough for taking time with it for me!

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Re[2]: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Mary,
Friday, July 22, 2005, 12:25:56 PM, you wrote:

> Occasionally, though, even that will fail. :woe:

It seems to work every time if I only select one line.

If I select two or more lines then I must also select the next line to
get the smiley retained.

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Re: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Stuart!

On Friday, July 22, 2005, 12:17 PM, you wrote:

> Try this:

> Copy the text from the previous message, only up to the end of the
> last smiley. You get this.

> ---
MB>>> I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(
>> Well, the latest version *does* quote your last smilie. :-)
> Only sometimes. As Henk experienced. :(

> But, it's not reproducible. Appears only at its own pleasure.
> ---

> Now copy the same material, but also include the line below (even
> though it is blank). Now you get this.

> ---
MB>>> I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(
>> Well, the latest version *does* quote your last smilie. :-)
> Only sometimes. As Henk experienced. :(

> But, it's not reproducible. Appears only at its own pleasure. :woe:
> ---

> This does not work if you only copy the last line.

Confirmed. And, in fact, I have been using that technique quite a lot
in my TBOT correspondence.

Occasionally, though, even that will fail. :woe:

Still, having that piece of information in the mix--it's never been so
explicitly demonstrated before, to my knowledge, so thank you,
:thankyou: very much for this input!--might help de-bug the bug.

When I get time this afternoon, I'm going to do a search of Bug Track
to see if the problem was ever reported there.

Again, thanks a mil for your input!

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Re[2]: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Mary,

Try this:

Copy the text from the previous message, only up to the end of the
last smiley. You get this.

---
MB>> I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(
> Well, the latest version *does* quote your last smilie. :-)
Only sometimes. As Henk experienced. :(

But, it's not reproducible. Appears only at its own pleasure.
---

Now copy the same material, but also include the line below (even
though it is blank). Now you get this.

---
MB>> I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(
> Well, the latest version *does* quote your last smilie. :-)
Only sometimes. As Henk experienced. :(

But, it's not reproducible. Appears only at its own pleasure. :woe:
---

This does not work if you only copy the last line.

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Re: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Henk!

On Friday, July 22, 2005, 11:58 AM, you wrote:

>> I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(

> Is it on BT?

I can't remember whether I made a BT report. At the time that I was so
upset about it, no one would confirm it.

Then, later, others (MAU here on TBBETA) and Curtis (on TBOT) ran into
it. We had some discussion, but I know that I did not go to BT with it
then.

Either Maxim or Marek--or one of the developers, I'd have to do a
search to say from whom I had the reply--said that it wasn't fixable,
for some sort of technical reason.

I'll try to see if a search of BT will turn up any report. I really
don't remember ever making one; I think if I didn't, it was because of
the reply from the developers.

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Re: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Peter!

On Friday, July 22, 2005, 11:55 AM, you wrote:

MB>> I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(
> Well, the latest version *does* quote your last smilie. :-)
Only sometimes. As Henk experienced. :(

But, it's not reproducible. Appears only at its own pleasure. :woe:

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Re: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, at 11:32:14 [GMT -0500] (which was 18:32 where I
live) Mary Bull wrote:

Hello Mary,

>>> Here is a short list of changes:
>>> [-] Smiles might not work
>>> It is supposed to be a replacement of the currenlty downloadable 3.5.30.

>> Replying quoted text (F4) results in quoted smileys except the very last one!

> Confirmed, but I don't think you were experiencing the bug which has
> been fixed in 3.51.9. I think not quoting the very last one is an
> instance of an old bug which has been too elusive so far to track
> down.

> This bug has been around at least since v. 3.0.

...

> I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(

Is it on BT?

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Re: Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Mary,

on  Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:32:14 -0500GMT (22.07.2005, 18:32 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

>> Replying quoted text (F4) results in quoted smileys except the very last one!

MB> Confirmed, but I don't think you were experiencing the bug which has
MB> been fixed in 3.51.9. I think not quoting the very last one is an
MB> instance of an old bug which has been too elusive so far to track
MB> down.

MB> This bug has been around at least since v. 3.0.

MB> It happens randomly...

MB> In some replies to messages, this omission of a Smiley leads to
MB> misunderstandings that range from minor to serious.

MB> I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(

Well, the latest version *does* quote your last smilie. :-)

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Old Smiley Quoting Bug [Re: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Henk!

On Friday, July 22, 2005, 11:21 AM, you wrote:

>> Here is a short list of changes:
>> [-] Smiles might not work
>> It is supposed to be a replacement of the currenlty downloadable 3.5.30.

> Replying quoted text (F4) results in quoted smileys except the very last one!

Confirmed, but I don't think you were experiencing the bug which has
been fixed in 3.51.9. I think not quoting the very last one is an
instance of an old bug which has been too elusive so far to track
down.

This bug has been around at least since v. 3.0.

It happens randomly and, also, for considerable stretches of time will
not show itself. Therefore, I say it is random and infrequent.

Making it all the worse, because one is lulled into skipping the
change to PTV before quoting (the only work-around that I know).

In some replies to messages, this omission of a Smiley leads to
misunderstandings that range from minor to serious.

I *do* so wish that we could hunt this bug down! :(

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Re: Encryption/Decryption problems both quoting and sending [was Re: The Bat! 3.51.6 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Henk!

On Thursday, July 21, 2005, 1:51 PM, you wrote:

>> Thanks for the information. Hope your bug gets pinned down soon.

> I have done some testing with this version and it looks like the
> problems are over :-)
> With encrypting messages that is (messages had been changed after
> sending).

Good news!

> Concerning replying to an encrypted message (to all), I am testing this
> right now.

As you no doubt saw, Peter Meyns confirmed the bug and I have put a BT
note, so far as PGP-decrypted messages are concerned.

Thanks for testing with GnuPG!

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Re: Encryption/Decryption problems both quoting and sending [was Re: The Bat! 3.51.6 is now available]

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, at 09:18:14 [GMT -0500] (which was 16:18 where I
live) Mary Bull wrote:

> Thanks for the information. Hope your bug gets pinned down soon.

Hello Mary,

I have done some testing with this version and it looks like the
problems are over :-)
With encrypting messages that is (messages had been changed after
sending).

Concerning replying to an encrypted message (to all), I am testing this
right now.

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Re: Encryption/Decryption problems both quoting and sending [was Re: The Bat! 3.51.6 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Thursday, July 21, 2005, 9:18 AM, you wrote:

> I am still looking for someone to test for and confirm mine ...
And I now have the confirmation,
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

So, BT issue report is now at
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4964 .

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Re: Quoting from PGP-decrypted message--empty MicroEd window [was Re: The Bat! 3.51.7 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Thursday, July 21, 2005, 9:44 AM, you wrote:

> My quoting bug in messages decrypted using PGP still exists.

Confirmed in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

BT issue report now at
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Quoting from PGP-decrypted message--empty MicroEd window [was Re: The Bat! 3.51.7 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Maxim!

On Thursday, July 21, 2005, 9:14 AM, you wrote:

> The Bat! 3.51.7 is now available from
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb3517.rar

Up and running, quickly and easily.

My quoting bug in messages decrypted using PGP still exists.

If I choose Reply or Reply to all, only the salutation and signature
are implemented normally from the Address Book Reply Template for the
contact.

Work-around: Use Select (Highlight) text and then either F4 or
Shift-Plus-Reply button.

The problem appears always since v. 3.51.5, whether using RTV or PTV.

In MicroEd.

Possibly similar to the now-closed issue in
http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 ?

Thanks a million for your attention to this! :)

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Encryption/Decryption problems both quoting and sending [was Re: The Bat! 3.51.6 is now available]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Henk!

On Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 11:42 PM, you wrote:

>>> ... I am having serious problems with
>>> encrypting messages lately (messages have been changed after
>>> sending).

>> Are you encrypting using pgp?

> GnuPG

Thanks for the information. Hope your bug gets pinned down soon.

I am still looking for someone to test for and confirm mine:

In a pgp-encrypted message that I receive, when I choose Reply/Reply
to All after decrypting the received message, the MicroEd editor
window uses all my template for that contact except for quoting the
original message.

Not a show-stopper, because I can select (highlight) all the message
body and then use F4 or Shift-plus-the-Reply Arrow-button to quote the
entire message or such selected parts as I wish to have in my Reply,
and TB! quotes normally.

But still, quite annoying when I want the whole message quoted in my
Reply. Entails being careful not to quote below the sig delimiter, or
if I miss, highlighting and deleting the original message-sig.

This is now happening for me only when I am Replying to a
pgp-encrypted message that I have decrypted and am viewing in the
decrypted window.

Previously (I believe it was in v. 3.51.3 and then soon fixed) this
type bug was also in messages I had received in the clear. Mentioning
that, in case the present behavior is related. That report is now
closed:

http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907

I take it that you have not encountered this new problem which I am
experiencing with PGP, in messages encrypted in GnuPG, Henk?

This information from you might help narrow down where my bug is
located. TIA

P.S. I double-checked my Reply template several times. It is intact
for this contact as well as for all my other Address Book Reply
templates and the Reply template is functioning normally on text that
did not have to be decrypted.

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Re: TB 3.51.5 quoting oddity

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:00:12 +0200GMT (20-7-2005, 10:00 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>>> PNG
PH> confirmed. Are you going to file a BT report?

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4949

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Re: TB 3.51.5 quoting oddity

[Peter Fjelsten]

Roelof,

On 19-07-2005 23:56, you [RO] wrote in
:
RO>   Just tried to reply to message with a picture as attachment,
RO>   pressed Ctrl+Enter while I was viewing the picture tab in the
RO>   preview. TB had to think quite a while (seven seconds) and came
RO>   with these quotes:

>> PNG
>> 


Confirmed! With a JPEG, I got:

> ÿØÿà

- and everything in my reply template below the %Quotes was missing.

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TB 3.51.5 quoting oddity

[Roelof Otten]

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Hash: SHA1

Hallo tbbeta,

  Just tried to reply to message with a picture as attachment, pressed
  Ctrl+Enter while I was viewing the picture tab in the preview. TB
  had to think quite a while (seven seconds) and came with these quotes:

> PNG
> 
>

  A short test with 3.0.2.10 showed me that that would quote the
  message text under the same circumstances. And would give the reply
  instantaneous(, just like 3.51.5 when it's replying to the text
  part).

- --
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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 11:41 AM, you wrote:

MB>> At this point, I haven't seen anyone write that he/she can really
MB>> tell for sure what the cause of this unwanted behavior is.

> Especially since some people (like myself) are not experiencing it,
> even though I use the same TB and Windows versions as you.

There are quite a few other people who *do* experience this problem
with v. 3.51.1 through 3.51.4.

Did I miss something, that I didn't see you telling them in those
earlier posts that you are not experiencing the behavior?

It's in the charset/unicode new functionality that is only partially
implemented in MicroEd that the bug seems to dwell.

Stefan has said that it's possible they are going to do a complete
unicode re-write, starting from scratch:

mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm going to wait for that beta and run 3.0.2.10 in the meantime.

Too many misunderstandings have already arisen for me from this bug.

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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Monday, July 18, 2005, 7:53 AM, you wrote:

MB>> How did it show on your screen?

> Mary, everything arrived here as it was sent. The bug that you are
> reporting is about letters disappearing *before* the mail is sent.
> If that is not the case, I have misunderstood the whole thread.

Yes, but when you said it wasn't happening to you, it sounded as if
you doubted that it was happening to me--at least, as a result of a
bug in TB!

So, I wanted to know whether you did not see my malformed message and
did not believe me that it is a bug.

Additionally, it will--or did, when I used to run 3.51.4--drop
characters in the View Folder screen without any Reply having been
invoked--drop them on first viewing the message.

Reported by Hendrik Oesterlin in
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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mary,

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:09:03 -0500 GMT (18/07/2005, 03:09 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:

MB> How did it show on your screen?

Mary, everything arrived here as it was sent. The bug that you are
reporting is about letters disappearing *before* the mail is sent. If
that is not the case, I have misunderstood the whole thread.

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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Alexander!

On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 3:12 PM, you wrote:

>> I did type "in this case" but it showed up here on tbbeta in my
>> View Folder window as "know, this case."

>> How did it show on your screen?

> How does it show in your Sent Mail folder?

Missing there, too.

> Besides that, "what makes tbbeta a fun" could be a phrase adapted
> 1:1 from
> german, in the rush of typing... :-)

Well, Peter Hampf has just cleared that up.

All the same, it's happening--missing characters--and not just to me.
Dropping back to 3.2.10, where MicroEd truly delivers "what you see is
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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Peter!

On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 3:17 PM, you wrote:

MB>> Do you mean that you saw something besides an "a" between "tbbeta" and
MB>> "fun" in Stuart's phrase, "tbbeta a fun" in his post,
MB>> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ?

> Mary!? Hello ... :-) Is' me, and my name is not Stuart! 

Sorry--a little bit addled here in the late afternoon!

MB>> Quote from above post from Stuart:

MB>> 
*MB>>> Every day's a schoolday, here. :)
MB>> That is what makes tbbeta a fun :-)
MB>> 

> cmon ...  ... it's still my post :-)

> To be honest: The "a" is a result of me not beeing a native english
> speaker.
> Sometime an essential word in one language is superfluous or even
> irritating in
> the other one. In fact I wrote "tbbeta a fun".

Well--I thought you were never, but *never*, going to reply about it,
and Thomas made me feel bad when he implied that what Natasha Pearce
and I were experiencing wasn't happening.

Did you see the missing "in" in my post, before "this case"?

I am so fed up with these experiences that I'm going to drop back to
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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Mary Bull & everyone else,

on 17-Jul-2005 at 22:09 you (Mary Bull) wrote:

> I did type "in this case" but it showed up here on tbbeta in my View
> Folder window as "know, this case."

> How did it show on your screen?

How does it show in your Sent Mail folder?

Besides that, "what makes tbbeta a fun" could be a phrase adapted 1:1 from
german, in the rush of typing... :-)

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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 11:41 AM, you wrote:

MB>> At this point, I haven't seen anyone write that he/she can really
MB>> tell for sure what the cause of this unwanted behavior is.

> Especially since some people (like myself) are not experiencing it,
> even though I use the same TB and Windows versions as you.

Do you mean that you saw something besides an "a" between "tbbeta" and
"fun" in Stuart's phrase, "tbbeta a fun" in his post,
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ?
Quote from above post from Stuart:


*MB> Every day's a schoolday, here. :)

That is what makes tbbeta a fun :-)


And that you saw the missing word "in" before the words "this case" in
my sentence "I don't really know, in this case, ..." ?

Quote from my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :


> I don't really know, this case. The "a" between "tbbeta" and "fun"
> just didn't seem to belong, or to convey any meaning to me.


I did type "in this case" but it showed up here on tbbeta in my View
Folder window as "know, this case."

How did it show on your screen?

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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mary,

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:35:49 -0500 GMT (17/07/2005, 21:35 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:

MB> At this point, I haven't seen anyone write that he/she can really tell
MB> for sure what the cause of this unwanted behavior is.

Especially since some people (like myself) are not experiencing it,
even though I use the same TB and Windows versions as you.

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Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 9:23 AM, you wrote:

> I don't really know, this case. The "a" between "tbbeta" and "fun"
> just didn't seem to belong, or to convey any meaning to me.

> However, I am getting a lot of 1 or 2 character omissions in my folder
> view window lately.

And in my own posts! Above, I distinctly recall typing "I don't really
know in this case" and the rendering has dropped the "in."

A fix may have to wait on Stefan's promised re-write of MicroEd and
Unicode, if that's where the fault lies.

At this point, I haven't seen anyone write that he/she can really tell
for sure what the cause of this unwanted behavior is.

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Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Peter!

On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 8:45 AM, you wrote:

MB>> Nevertheless, these missing characters (above, "tbbeta a fun") are
MB>> getting to be a real pain.

> Sorry, Mary, I don't really understand what you mean here. Which
> character do you think is missing in the above mentioned example?"

I don't really know, this case. The "a" between "tbbeta" and "fun"
just didn't seem to belong, or to convey any meaning to me.

However, I am getting a lot of 1 or 2 character omissions in my folder
view window lately.

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Peter!

On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 3:21 AM, you wrote:

MB>> Plus, something about CPU--but the View Folder window trails that
MB>> off with three little dots.

> Uh ... what is the resolution of your screen? It only abbreviates it
> here if I resize the window to a *very* small one. I have 1280 x
> 1024 and my comments line takes about the half (<700), so I guess
> 800 x 600 should fit. Are you working with 640 x 480?

1280 x 1024--necessary for optimum display on this flat screen.

But, I was able to increase the font size somewhere--I've forgotten if
it was in WinXP or in TB! I need both character size and the contrast
between type and background enhanced over ordinary display, else I
have to put my nose within 4 inches of the screen. And that's not
really fun. :)

MB>> Every day's a schoolday, here. :)

> That is what makes tbbeta a fun :-)

On a different topic: I am getting quite adept at interpreting what
looks like typos in the View Folder and MicroEd's Edit Mail Message
window.

Nevertheless, these missing characters (above, "tbbeta a fun") are
getting to be a real pain. The Bug Report page (4904) asks for
Feedback, but I don't know what is wanted in the way of Feedback
there. :woe:

http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4904

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

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On Sunday, 17 July 2005 at 10:48 MAU wrote:

>> Sending you a cup of coffee, if it's not too late to drink it where
>> you are. :)

> It's morning here when I'm reading you, so I'll accept the coffee.

It can't be too late for a cup of coffee. One simply can't live without 
coffee. ;-)

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[MAU]

Hello Cees,


M>> Guess what I did to reply to you? Yes, select text and F4. So, I can't
M>> confirm.
>
>  it  works.  I  find  it  a really peculiar way of replying to
> someone. much
>  rather use ctrl-r, but it works

That's why the different colours were invented, I never use Ctrl+R :)


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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[MAU]

Hello Mary,


> Sending you a cup of coffee, if it's not too late to drink it where
> you are. :)

It's morning here when I'm reading you, so I'll accept the coffee.
H! It tastes so good! ;)


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Re[2]: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Goncalo Farias]

In reply to  :

MB>> the F-keys on this keyboard won't work.

TF> I don't really want to comment on this rather ambiguous statement.

ROTFL! :)


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Re[2]: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Goncalo Farias]

In reply to  :

ASK> H. It seems that this %COMMENT macro is not working at all.

ASK> (I  inserted  the  text  to be there in the last message with C&P
ASK> since  the  reply was already open, thats why it was there in the
ASK> last message)

ASK>  %Comment="some text"or
ASK>  %Comment("some text")

ASK> does nothing.

ASK>  %Setheader("Comments","some text")

ASK> is not working, either. Can anyone confirm?


Your previous message had this:
Comments: Athlon XP 3000+/512MB/XP Pro SP2


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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

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On 2005-07-16 (16:22), you wrote:
> With selected text F4 is not working.

Not confirmed here.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:28:13 +0700 GMT (17/07/2005, 12:28 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

MB>> the F-keys on this keyboard won't work.

TF> I don't really want to comment on this rather ambiguous statement.

Missing smiley supplied here: ;-)

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mary,

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:29:03 -0500 GMT (16/07/2005, 21:29 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:

MB> the F-keys on this keyboard won't work.

I don't really want to comment on this rather ambiguous statement.

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Alexander,

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:12:23 +0200GMT (16-7-2005, 23:12 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

ASK> In the name of everything that doesn't suck, tell me whats wrong
ASK> with this
ASK> AB template (its my new message template for the TBBETA list).

Just to sure. The first question to ask is: Do you have more than one
entries for tbbeta in your AB? In general that's the number one reason
for the wrong template to start.

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Alexander,

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:12:23 +0200GMT (16-7-2005, 23:12 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

ASK> In the name of everything that doesn't suck, tell me whats wrong
ASK> with this AB template (its my new message template for the TBBETA
ASK> list).

Apparently nothing, it worked just fine for me, though I used it as a
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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Greg Strong & everyone else,

on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:48 you (Greg Strong) wrote:

> could be wrong. However if it is the former, can you provide a copy of
> the QT? I'll try to place inside my macro for TBBETA to see if it
> works for me.

Thanks for your help, Greg. Its not a big problem though, now that I found
it. I just have to rewrite the parameter passing, its using %COMMENT now,
I'll replace that (sooner or later...) with %_CHARMAP or some other self
defined macro, et voila.

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Greg Strong & everyone else,

on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:35 you (Greg Strong) wrote:

> This should lead you to the promised land.  :-)

Thanks for your support Greg, as you can see, I'm already there. :-)

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Re[3]: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Michael Acklin]

Saturday, July 16, 2005, 5:00:21 PM, (Internet Time - @958) you wrote:

Hello Cees,

C>  it  works.  I  find  it  a really peculiar way of replying to
C> someone. much
C>  rather use ctrl-r, but it works

That's what I like about these lists. You learn something every day.

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Peter Hampf & everyone else,

on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:01 you (Peter Hampf) wrote:

> But what exactly caused the %comment macro to fail?

I'm using a QT combination to replace german national characters (Umlaute)
in the subject. The QT is a "replace" function, and the parameters for that
function (the actual characters to replace, ä to ae, ü to ue, etc. etc.) is
passed in the comment header.

Its a rather old QT (someone on TBUDL gave it to me ages ago, I think it
was Dan Grunberg). I have to rewrite it to use custom (%_something style)
macros one day.

Some listmailers (that tag the subject) will add the list tag over & over
again and can't remove multiple occurencies of "Re:" if the subject is
encoded because it contains national characters - to avoid these problems,
I added the replace function to my signature.

Now, this function is not really required for english messages of course...
so I simply don't use that QT in my english signature QT anymore... it was
that simple, oh my... :-)

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Mary Bull & everyone else,

on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:01 you (Mary Bull) wrote:

>> So, problem solved - sorry to bother y'all with it.

> I was worried about you. I could tell you were getting frustrated. :)

Well, it served a higher purpose: just like Greg, I do now feel much more
compassion for those poor souls who report problems that no one can
reproduce. :-)

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Cees & everyone else,

on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:00 you (Cees) wrote:

M>> Guess what I did to reply to you? Yes, select text and F4. So, I can't
M>> confirm.

> it works. I find it a really peculiar way of replying to someone.
> much rather use ctrl-r, but it works

Put a supporting note here http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2486
please... :-)

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Peter!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 5:04 PM, you wrote:

PH>>> See comment! :-)
C>>  where?

> Right-click on the header pane (or menu View/Message header) and
> enable the
> "Comments" header.

Ah! Finally I see what you guys have been talking about all afternoon!
And I see in the header of your message the info that I have in my
sig!

Astonishing!

Plus, something about CPU--but the View Folder window trails that off
with three little dots. Going to look in Specials/View Source and see
if the whole info is there. Ah, yes, verrry int'resting. And in some
circumstances I can see how it would be pertinent to figuring out a
TB! problem.

Every day's a schoolday, here. :)

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Re[2]: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Cees]

Het was op zaterdag 16 juli 2005 om 23:12 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'RFC 
Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)' :

Hoi Alexander,
  
>> See comment! :-)
ASK> In the name of everything that doesn't suck, tell me whats wrong with this
ASK> AB template (its my new message template for the TBBETA list).
ASK>  %Comment("Athlon XP 3000+/512MB/WXP Pro SP2 En")%-

 as  far as I know that comment thing has never worked. I don't get it, and that
 annoys me too ;)

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Re[3]: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Cees]

Het was op zaterdag 16 juli 2005 om 22:45 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'RFC 
Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)' :

Hoi Peter,
  
PH> Answering a current message (Saturday, July 16, 2005, 22:21)
PH> Good evening Roelof,
RO>> And that seems to work just fine too.
PH> See comment! :-)

 where?

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Alexander!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 4:55 PM, you wrote:

>> As far as I can recall, I got my template as a copy-and-paste from
>> Marck D. Pearlstone, when I first got TB!, v. 1.61, in October, 2003.

> That can't be - in October 2003 TBv2 was already out, and v1.62r was
> the last official v1 version. Maybe it was October 2002. :-)

Yes, I meant to say October, 2002. Senior moment. Sorry. :(

> Regarding my problem with the %COMMENT header, all I can say is...
> beware of multiple nesting of Quick Templates. :-) I found the
> problem is a QT that I call in my signature QT which I call in the
> message template. OUCH!!

Oh, woe, indeed.

> These things just sit there and you forget about them, and then on a
> totally different occasion they attack you from behind. :-)

Glad you caught and smashed the little prickly monster!

> So, problem solved - sorry to bother y'all with it.

I was worried about you. I could tell you were getting frustrated. :)

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Re[2]: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Cees]

Het was op zaterdag 16 juli 2005 om 22:33 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'F4 
quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now 
available)' :

Hoi MAU,
  
>> With selected text F4 is not working.  Is this a bug or due to new
>> interface?

M> Guess what I did to reply to you? Yes, select text and F4. So, I can't
M> confirm.

 it  works.  I  find  it  a really peculiar way of replying to someone. much
 rather use ctrl-r, but it works

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Mary Bull & everyone else,

on 16-Jul-2005 at 23:26 you (Mary Bull) wrote:

> As far as I can recall, I got my template as a copy-and-paste from
> Marck D. Pearlstone, when I first got TB!, v. 1.61, in October, 2003.

That can't be - in October 2003 TBv2 was already out, and v1.62r was the
last official v1 version. Maybe it was October 2002. :-)

Regarding my problem with the %COMMENT header, all I can say is... beware
of multiple nesting of Quick Templates. :-) I found the problem is a QT
that I call in my signature QT which I call in the message template. OUCH!!

These things just sit there and you forget about them, and then on a
totally different occasion they attack you from behind. :-)

So, problem solved - sorry to bother y'all with it.

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Alexander!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 4:12 PM, you wrote:

> ... it simply does not work. Not for new messages, and not for
> replies either. The rest of the template is pulled correctly from
> the AB entry for TBBETA (or else you wouldn't see my picture).

I don't understand at all about Comment, having never used it. On my
AB template, below my name, I have the following (without the
quotation marks that I've inserted into this message):

"The Bat %THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME
"%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER 
%WINDOWSCSDVERSION"

If you're just trying to construct something that works, you might try
that.

On the other hand, you may be trying to figure out what has gone wrong
with the Comment template, and in that case, please just ignore my own
comment. :)

As far as I can recall, I got my template as a copy-and-paste from
Marck D. Pearlstone, when I first got TB!, v. 1.61, in October, 2003.

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Peter Hampf & everyone else,

on 16-Jul-2005 at 22:45 you (Peter Hampf) wrote:

RO>> And that seems to work just fine too.

> See comment! :-)

In the name of everything that doesn't suck, tell me whats wrong with this
AB template (its my new message template for the TBBETA list).

 %Comment("Athlon XP 3000+/512MB/WXP Pro SP2 En")%-
 %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Alex_Kunz:")%-
 Hello everyone,

 %Cursor

 %QInclude("sig-priv-en")

Because it simply does not work. Not for new messages, and not for replies
either. The rest of the template is pulled correctly from the AB entry for
TBBETA (or else you wouldn't see my picture).

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 3:33 PM, you wrote:

>>> The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from:
>>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

>> With selected text F4 is not working.  Is this a bug or due to new
>> interface?

> Guess what I did to reply to you? Yes, select text and F4. So, I can't
> confirm.

Greg, at the end of a rather long thread, found his problem: it was in
a Reply template that he'd changed for some reason awhile ago and
forgotten doing it.

Fixed. And all's well.

Sending you a cup of coffee, if it's not too late to drink it where
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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[MAU]

Hello Greg,


>> The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from:
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/
>
> With selected text F4 is not working.  Is this a bug or due to new
> interface?

Guess what I did to reply to you? Yes, select text and F4. So, I can't
confirm.


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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Roelof,

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:15:36 +0200GMT (16-7-2005, 22:15 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

ASK>> If you (or someone else reading this) could try to set the "Comments"
ASK>> header with the %COMMENT macro before I add an item on BT, I'd
ASK>> be thankful.
ASK>> Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

RO> Seems to work just fine.
And I was using %Comment("This is a etc...")
Now I'll try something more elaborate, like:
%Comment("%WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build 
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION")%-
And that seems to work just fine too.

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Alexander,

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:52:03 +0200GMT (16-7-2005, 19:52 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

ASK> If you (or someone else reading this) could try to set the "Comments"
ASK> header with the %COMMENT macro before I add an item on BT, I'd
ASK> be thankful.
ASK> Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

Seems to work just fine.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 1:17 PM, you wrote:

>> So I messed up all around there.

> Not at all.  You had it correct.  See my
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

No, I meant in thinking that Dwight Corrin had suggested templates as
the cause to you, when actually the suggestion was to Henk M. de
Bruijn, and about the 3.51.3 version.

>> I am glad that you did find the problem, although you did it despite
>> your fellow-beta-testers (at least some of us) leading you up the
>> wrong garden path!

> Unless I missed something, no one led me up the wrong path.

Oh, I did! Sending you to put notes on
http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 and so forth.

BTW, the status there is now Verify/Wait, which I think means Wait for
Edvinas to confirm fixed.

After you deleted your notes, I put one of my own confirming that the
problem is fixed for me in v. 3.51.4.

>> Mea culpa. Forgive me. :(

> Nothing to forgive. :-)

Thanks. Anyway, it was an interesting bug hunt! ;)

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 12:52 PM, you wrote:

>> Phew! So Dwight Corrin's original advice to you to check your
>> templates, was the best that was given!

> I didn't see a reply from Dwight, so maybe I missed it.

Wasn't to you, when I double-checked. Sorry. That'll teach me to rely
on my senior memory! :woe:

It was to Henk,
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

and Henk was reporting on v. 3.5.53.

So I messed up all around there. I am glad that you did find the
problem, although you did it despite your fellow-beta-testers (at
least some of us) leading you up the wrong garden path!

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Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Greg Strong & everyone else,

on 16-Jul-2005 at 17:56 you (Greg Strong) wrote:

>> Can anyone confirm?

> I didn't try, but your comment header was working in your original
> reply to this issue per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I

As I said, I inserted the text to be there in the last message with C&P
since the reply was already open, thats why it was there in the last
message.

> don't know, but something has gone astray with these newer betas. Hmmm?

If you (or someone else reading this) could try to set the "Comments"
header with the %COMMENT macro before I add an item on BT, I'd be thankful.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

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Re[2]: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Vili]

Hello Greg,

> Problem solved.
> MY ERROR. A few days ago I switched my templates for
> TB lists to include '%SetHeader("X-No-Archive","yes")'.  My problem
> was with the reply template for TBBETA.

We knew that :)))

> I've promptly deleted my note at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907#bugnotes.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 12:08 PM, you wrote:

> See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Your thinking is
> right on the issue, however it was me who messed up the reply template
> in my address book for TBBETA a few days ago, and not TB.

Hooray for our favorite mail client!

Greg: 0  TB!: a zillion points  SCNR

I'm so very glad that your problem is solved! :)

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 12:05 PM, you wrote:

> Problem solved.

> MY ERROR. A few days ago I switched my templates for
> TB lists to include '%SetHeader("X-No-Archive","yes")'.  My problem
> was with the reply template for TBBETA.

> I've promptly deleted my note at
> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907#bugnotes.

Phew! So Dwight Corrin's original advice to you to check your
templates, was the best that was given!

Well spotted, Dwight!

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 11:40 AM, you wrote:

>> Well I've gone back to 3.51.3, v3.5.36, & now v3.51 and problem
>> persists. I'm thinking something went astray with config files in TB.
>> I've got 3 bootable partitions with TB in each. So I'll give that a
>> try.

> I'm in another bootable partition with v3.5.36 and problem persists.
> I do not recall this problem earlier v3.5.36. Since my TB
> installation is on the C drive/partition and my mail directory is on
> the X drive/partition there has to be some configuration file in the
> mail directory that is causing the problem.

Greg, just a thought: v. 3.51.4 made a hash of ASK's sig template;
what if it has disabled your Reply template in a similar fashion? And
then, when you went back to earlier versions, that disabling action
was still conserved?

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Liz]

Hi Greg,

In the message  which was 
apparently written on Saturday, July 16, 2005, 5:26:11 PM. I believe you wrote:

GS> Well now I'm starting to relate to other TB users who suffered when
GS> a bug was not able to be duplicated by other users. This is a big
GS> problem for me.

In  some  respects  having  it non confirmable by others makes it more
annoying  as  if  everyone  can  reproduce  it, chances are it will be
relatively  easily  solved.  If  it  cant  be,  then well where can it
start..

While I dont suffer this one, I have plenty of my own.. I sympathize.


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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!


On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 11:34 AM, you wrote:

>> Okay, I accept that it's broken for you, although I can Reply or Reply
>> quoting selected text to the message from 9Val that you cited, when
>> I'm using 3.51.4, unlike in 3.51.3.

> Well I've gone back to 3.51.3, v3.5.36, & now v3.51 and problem
> persists. I'm thinking something went astray with config files in TB.
> I've got 3 bootable partitions with TB in each. So I'll give that a
> try.

Keep us posted. :)

Problem wasn't there for me in v.3.5.36 or in 3.51; showed up, for
me, in v. 3.51.3.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 11:20 AM, you wrote:

>> As per a message I just sent you, would you like to put a note at
>> 
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907

> Done.  This problem is a real PITA.

Thank you so very much! In the immortal words of Tolkien,
"We Hates It!"

I am just sorry I can't confirm what's happening to you here. I feel
sure though that it's at least related to issue 4907.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 11:08 AM, you wrote:

> I don't think it has anything to do with utf-8 messages because it
> happens all the time. I even unselected all character sets in
> Options |
> Preferences |  except Western Europe and the problem persists.

Then I hope someone can confirm it for you soon and enable tracking
down the cause.

Oh--could you try it in the Windows editor? Just to confirm that it's
a MicroEd thing?

Thanks for writing. :)

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 10:52 AM, you wrote:

>> Greg, this is a bug that I believed was fixed. I can't test with
>> F4, because the F-keys on this keyboard won't work.

> Well if it was fixed it is now broken again.

Okay, I accept that it's broken for you, although I can Reply or Reply
quoting selected text to the message from 9Val that you cited, when
I'm using 3.51.4, unlike in 3.51.3.

As per a message I just sent you, would you like to put a note at

http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907

>> However, Shift-plus-reply does quote selected text for me normally.

> If you are talking Shift+Reply button, then no luck. ...

Yes, that's what I meant.

> ... Nothing works for including quoted text except copy paste as
> quotation.

Thanks for the information. This was exactly my situation in 3.51.3; I
think it's important to find out why it's still broken for you. And I
think the BT issue report should reflect that, for at least one user,
it is still broken in v. 3.51.4.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Saturday, July 16, 2005, Greg Strong wrote:

>> The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from:
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

> With selected text F4 is not working.  Is this a bug or due to new
> interface?

> BTW I had to pasted as quote to get quotation above.

not confirmed here either.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Yah,

on 16-Jul-2005 at 17:33 I (Alexander S. Kunz) wrote:

> Sorry. I was sure that I had a macro filling the RFC-822 "Comments"
> header with OS information for messages to TBBETA, but I did not. It
> should be there now.

H. It seems that this %COMMENT macro is not working at all.

(I inserted the text to be there in the last message with C&P since the
reply was already open, thats why it was there in the last message)

 %Comment="some text"or
 %Comment("some text")

does nothing.

 %Setheader("Comments","some text")

is not working, either.

Can anyone confirm?

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 9:22 AM, you wrote:

>> The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from:
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

> With selected text F4 is not working.  Is this a bug or due to new
> interface?

You might like to put a note about your experience at
http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907

This issue is reported fixed in v. 3.51.4 there and is in status
Resolved.

But, if you still are getting this "empty message" bug, there's bound
to be a reason, even if others here (including me) can't confirm it.

Could it be (just thinking out loud) that you accidentally got a
faulty download of v. 3.51.4?

Or, is there some other aspect of "empty message" that the fix of
issue no. 4907 did not address? I think it's important to track this
down. It's a near-showstopper so far as useability is concerned.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Greg Strong & everyone else,

on 16-Jul-2005 at 17:21 you (Greg Strong) wrote:

> Not to be regarded as offensive, but I do wish that TBBETA
> participants would at least include OS information in their messages
> to TBBETA.

Sorry. I was sure that I had a macro filling the RFC-822 "Comments" header
with OS information for messages to TBBETA, but I did not. It should be
there now.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Greg,

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 09:22:16 -0500GMT (16-7-2005, 16:22 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

GS> With selected text F4 is not working.  Is this a bug or due to new
GS> interface?

Cannot confirm.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Greg Strong & everyone else,

on 16-Jul-2005 at 16:22 you (Greg Strong) wrote:

> With selected text F4 is not working.  Is this a bug or due to new
> interface?

Works fine here.

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Re: F4 quoting of selected text is NOT working (was: Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available)

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 9:22 AM, you wrote:

>> The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from:
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

> With selected text F4 is not working.  Is this a bug or due to new
> interface?

Greg, this is a bug that I believed was fixed. I can't test with F4,
because the F-keys on this keyboard won't work.

However, Shift-plus-reply does quote selected text for me normally.

> BTW I had to pasted as quote to get quotation above.

Try Shift-plus-reply? Maybe it's only the keyboard short-cut that's in
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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Mary Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Saturday, June 11, 2005, 12:55 PM, you wrote:

MB>> But, just to verify that also you did  have "Use Smileys" enabled
MB>> (either "Smileys" ticked in the context menu or in
MB>> Options/Preferences/Viewer-Editor) -- did you?

> Yes, I did.

:(

Thanks for the prompt reply with the info. So, I persevere chasing
about with my butterfly net and whatever ant traps I can devise for
this annoying little critter. :crazy:

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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Mary,

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 08:28:25 -0500 GMT (11/06/2005, 20:28 +0700 GMT),
Mary Bull wrote:

MB> But, just to verify that also you did  have "Use Smileys" enabled
MB> (either "Smileys" ticked in the context menu or in
MB> Options/Preferences/Viewer-Editor) -- did you?

Yes, I did.

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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Mary Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Friday, June 10, 2005, 9:40 PM, you wrote:

M>> And actually not here because I never use RTV.

< ... >

> Now I even tried with "Select-plus-Shift-plus-Reply Arrow" (using the
> RTV), and still cannot confirm the smiley was quoted. Hm.

Thomas, this is an elusive bug which bites only when least expected
and it will be part of The Bat! from now on, I suspect.

But, just to verify that also you did  have "Use Smileys" enabled
(either "Smileys" ticked in the context menu or in
Options/Preferences/Viewer-Editor) -- did you?

In other words, were you seeing a round yellow icon when you used RTV
and not just ";)"?

That's a necessary condition for this abnormality to occur. Something
about having an image overlaying the handle seems to confuse TB!

This never happened in v. 2.12.00 and earlier, right on back to the
time that 9Val's Default Smileys were first added--was that in v. 2.0?
I'm not sure, because I came on board at v. 2.6. Up until then I was
happy as a clam, running v. 1.62.

M>> But I hate it when someone using RTV quotes me and a smiley I have
M>> included doesn't appear in the quoted text.

> I agree, but I just cannot duplicate it.

Thanks for trying.

This bug effectively negates comfortable use of Smileys with handles
that call images.

They have been so much fun to play with, for me, and at times,
actually, so nearly indispensably useful.

But the PTV crowd (of which I was once a member) do win on this issue.
RitLabs might as well remove this feature from TB!, since it is
dangerous to use it. Woe. 

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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[MAU]

Hello Clive,

>> I've found a workaround... to not use smileys
>
> Good man. I always knew you were decent and intelligent and thoughtful
> and...

:-))


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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Clive Taylor]

--On 10 June 2005 23:38 +0200 MAU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've found a workaround... to not use smileys


Good man. I always knew you were decent and intelligent and thoughtful 
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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:26:42 +0200 GMT (11/06/2005, 01:26 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> Not here.

M> And actually not here because I never use RTV.

No, I switched to the RTV in order to test this. And could not
confirm.

Now I even tried with "Select-plus-Shift-plus-Reply Arrow" (using the
RTV), and still cannot confirm the smiley was quoted. Hm.

M> But I hate it when someone using RTV quotes me and a smiley I have
M> included doesn't appear in the quoted text.

I agree, but I just cannot duplicate it.


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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Mary Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Friday, June 10, 2005, 4:38 PM, you wrote:

>>> Both of which I now send to you (see the two words above), along with,
>>> in despite of some people's opinions about too much beer around, a
>>> delicious
>>
>> Oh, ho! Still happening! Missing beer!!

> I've found a workaround... to not use smileys ;-)

LOL Perfect! And no more need for this thread. :)

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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

>> Both of which I now send to you (see the two words above), along with,
>> in despite of some people's opinions about too much beer around, a
>> delicious
>
> Oh, ho! Still happening! Missing beer!!

I've found a workaround... to not use smileys ;-)


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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Friday, June 10, 2005, 2:50 PM, you wrote:

> Both of which I now send to you (see the two words above), along with,
> in despite of some people's opinions about too much beer around, a
> delicious

Oh, ho! Still happening! Missing beer!!

Thus far, totally reproducible, this afternoon.

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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Mary Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Friday, June 10, 2005, 2:32 PM, you wrote:

>> But, everyone is at risk from being misquoted with this bug in
>> existence. You never know who will decide to quote from an RTV reading
>> of your post and perhaps omit your smiley. :(

>> Sometimes causing misunderstandings. :(

> That's exactly the problem with this little bug.

Indeed. So, I persevere, trying to identify what are the necessary and
sufficient conditions for it to manifest itself. So far, no joy.

And, as we discussed before, I'm being as careful as I can not to
depend on a smiley in my own posts to round out my intent in what I am
trying to say.

However, this is much less convenient than the old convention of a
quickly typed two-character symbol to signify a wink or a smile.

Both of which I now send to you (see the two words above), along with,
in despite of some people's opinions about too much beer around, a
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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> But, everyone is at risk from being misquoted with this bug in
> existence. You never know who will decide to quote from an RTV reading
> of your post and perhaps omit your smiley. :(
>
> Sometimes causing misunderstandings. :(
>

That's exactly the problem with this little bug.


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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Mary Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Friday, June 10, 2005, 1:28 PM, you wrote:

>>> It doesn't fail with a single line, or at least not always. It is more
>>> likely to fail with a 1 and a half line paragraph like this one  

>> And especially if used with Select-plus-Shift-plus-Reply Arrow. It has
>> done so in the above quote, which left your smiley off.

> What's Select-plus-Shift-plus-Reply Arrow? You are talking even funnier
> that the Available items window in Customise ;-)

Ah, Miguel, I've been too long in the Bat Cave. The lingo is
contagious. :)

I mean this:

1) Read a message with Smileys in it, using RTV and the Smiley
function enabled.

2) Reply to it using the following steps:

a) Highlight (select) the part of the message you wish to quote, using
the left button of the mouse to do the highlighting (selecting).

b) Hold down the "Shift" key with your preferred finger and
simultaneously click the Reply arrow on the toolbar.

3) The highlighted (selected) text will be quoted, but randomly, and
more often than not, for me, great woe will occur: the smiley text
will be omitted. This happens more often when there are two lines of
text, with the smiley at the end of the second line.

This bug simply imposes an extra chore on me, since I do enjoy reading
in RTV and seeing the smiley images. Lest I leave an important one out
in my quoting, I switch to PTV if I want to reply, and quote from a
PTV of the message to which I'm replying.

But, everyone is at risk from being misquoted with this bug in
existence. You never know who will decide to quote from an RTV reading
of your post and perhaps omit your smiley. :(

Sometimes causing misunderstandings. :(

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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

>> It doesn't fail with a single line, or at least not always. It is more
>> likely to fail with a 1 and a half line paragraph like this one  
>
> And especially if used with Select-plus-Shift-plus-Reply Arrow. It has
> done so in the above quote, which left your smiley off.
>

What's Select-plus-Shift-plus-Reply Arrow? You are talking even funnier
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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

M>> It doesn't fail with a single line, or at least not always. It is more
M>> likely to fail with a 1 and a half line paragraph like this one :-)
>
> Not here.

And actually not here because I never use RTV. But I hate it when
someone using RTV quotes me and a smiley I have included doesn't
appear in the quoted text.


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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Friday, June 10, 2005, 11:50 AM, you wrote:

> It's a very elusive beast so far as tracking down its cause! Which
> makes me sad.

Reproduced again, here, using Select (highlight)-plus-Shift-plus-Reply
Arrow. Sad Smiley was not quoted. I was very careful to be sure that
is was highlighted at the end of the line, using RTV.

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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Mary Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Friday, June 10, 2005, 11:07 AM, you wrote:

> It doesn't fail with a single line, or at least not always. It is more
> likely to fail with a 1 and a half line paragraph like this one  

And especially if used with Select-plus-Shift-plus-Reply Arrow. It has
done so in the above quote, which left your smiley off.

However, when I simply clicked the Reply arrow (I discarded that in
favor of sending the one in which I reproduced the bug), the smiley
ASCII handle for the image was quoted.

It's a very elusive beast so far as tracking down its cause! Which
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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:07:57 +0200 GMT (10/06/2005, 23:07 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:


M> It doesn't fail with a single line, or at least not always. It is more
M> likely to fail with a 1 and a half line paragraph like this one :-)

Not here.

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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

> Then I took the original message and just highlighted the line above
> and hit F4. The result is above. All's fine over here.
>

It doesn't fail with a single line, or at least not always. It is more
likely to fail with a 1 and a half line paragraph like this one :-)


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Re: Little bug quoting when using RTV and Smileys

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 02:51:11 +0200 GMT (01/06/2005, 07:51 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

M> Try it by replaying and quoting this line ;-)

Not confirmed.

I switched to the RTV and saw the smiley.

Hit reply and saved it as draft.

Opened the reply in the Outbox and saw the smiley.

Then I took the original message and just highlighted the line above
and hit F4. The result is above. All's fine over here.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

Follow your dream! Unless it's the one where you're at work in your
underwear during a fire drill.

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