Re: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hello Biju, On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:15:41 -0800 GMT (31/01/03, 03:15 +0700 GMT), Biju Nair wrote: 1. The CC list of the mail that i am forwarding is not comming. Do you use the macro %CC= in your forward template? 2. When i am replying to mails, i want to change the color of some text in my reply. [like some tet to be in RED color to show that i am really angry .. ;-) ] TB's editor cannot do this. Even if you used another mailer where you actually could change the colour of the text or particular words, I wouldn't see it, because I have HTML auto-view turned off. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Who the hell wants to hear actors talk? -- H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/2 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
turn off synchronization
Hello tbudl tbudl, I'm using 'The Bat' mail client v.1.62. Is it possible to turn off synchronization that performs when I'm turning off the mail client. -- Best regards, Nikolay Cankoff 14 ßíóàðè 2003 ã. 10:54 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 12:14:46 AM, ,- [ you wrote ] TF Hello Biju, TF On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:15:41 -0800 GMT (31/01/03, 03:15 +0700 GMT), TF Biju Nair wrote: 1. The CC list of the mail that i am forwarding is not comming. TF Do you use the macro %CC= in your forward template? Correct me if i am wrong .. I understand that when we use the macro %CC we have to submit the list along with the macro.. what i want is BAT should automatically pick up the CC list when i am forwarding the mail 2. When i am replying to mails, i want to change the color of some text in my reply. [like some tet to be in RED color to show that i am really angry .. ;-) ] TF TB's editor cannot do this. Even if you used another mailer where you TF actually could change the colour of the text or particular words, I TF wouldn't see it, because I have HTML auto-view turned off. ;-) Hmm. this means there is no way in BAT we can achieve this...?? :-( '- Regards, Biju Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost Admin Rights
Hello Ed, Monday, January 13, 2003, 10:47:37 PM, you wrote: EF Q1: I've lost admin rights to User1 after setting up User2 as a EF User. No admins, both users...is there a way to manually change a User EF to an Administrator short of reinstalling? This is a known bug. I have sent in a bug report to Ritlabs and they have acknowledged the problem and told me it will be fixed. If you change any user to 'User' privileges then you will lose the default administrator from the list. The only way I found to get things back was to have all users set with administrator privileges. I don't think it is a problem per se, I think everything functions as expected but to get the default user back into the list it is necessary to set every user back to administrator privileges. HTH -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
counting the chars in the subject...
Hallo tbudl, since this program has so many options... maybe there's a way to do this: I'm sending SMS as Email regularly. (I send an Email to a server, and this is sent to a cellphone as SMS) The text is in the subject field, and I never know how many chars are left and where the text will be cut off. Maybe there's a way to count the chars in the subject and put the result in the body of the mail? Just asking, maybe someone has got an idea... TIA -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel - http://www.kuschelkirche.de/ - http://www.kuschelchaos.de/ Ev. Kirchengemeinde Gochsheim - http://www.stmichael-gochsheim.de/ AMIGAplus: alles für die Freundin - http://www.amigaplus.de/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to add CC list in forward mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Biju, @30-Jan-2003, 12:15 -0800 (20:15 UK time) Biju Nair [BN] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: BN 1. The CC list of the mail that i am forwarding is not BN comming. Use %CCLIST in your forwarding template to show a list of the CC recipients. Use %OCCLIST to show a list of the addresses in the original message's CC field. BN 2. When i am replying to mails, i want to change the color of BN some text in my reply. [like some tet to be in RED color to show BN that i am really angry .. ;-) ] Not possible. Not possible *anywhere*. Sure, you can do it in HTML, but you have to be sure the recipient will read it that way. You can't. Sure other software *say's* it can do it. It can't. It's pretending. If the recipient doesn't want to read it in colour, your red is wasted. _Much_ better to use /ASCII/ emphasis. Then you know that _everyone_ will read it exactly the same. There is no standard for email that allows colouring of text. RFC822/2822 specifies a plain text ascii content. Some MUA (mail user agent - client) software lets you do all sorts of fancy formatting then sends your message as one of: 1) an HTML page 2) an RTF enhanced document 3) with a custom header that only someone with the identical email client can understand and decode meaning that anyone else sees redboldrubbish like this/red/bold in the message. So, just to repeat for clarity - this is *not* possible. Anyone who says otherwise has got it wrong g. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JAEJOeQkq5KdzaARAl6CAJwM1ol4xt6B39A3pZ/HA5weiypnygCgvXGZ FmW54lb8VxqSFA9+BBSC2+8= =zlRg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: counting the chars in the subject...
Hello Heiko Kuschel ! On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:08:06 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 14.01.2003, 12:08 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Heiko Kuschel) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe there's a way to count the chars in the subject and put the result in the body of the mail? Just asking, maybe someone has got an idea... KArin, who is not member of TBUDL, asked me to forward the following info concerning your problem: 8 Hi Heiko, Maybe there's a way to count the chars in the subject and put the result in the body of the mail? of course there is a way: you need 2 Quicktemplates, I call them sms and sms1 - sms: %COMMENT=%SUBJ %ORG=0%- %QINCLUDE=sms1%- - sms1: %CLEAR%- %IF:%SETPATTREGEXP='(?is).(.*)'%REGEXPMATCH='%COMMENT':%- %COMMENT='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is).(.*)%REGEXPMATCH=%COMMENT'%- %ORG='%CALC=_%ORG+1_'%- %QINCLUDE='sms1':%ORG='%CALC=_%ORG+1_'%- %COMMENT='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is).(.*)%REGEXPMATCH=%COMMENT'%- Number of Chars in Subject: %ORG%- - write your text into the subject field, type sms into the text field and press |strg|spacebar| The number of chars in the subject field will appear, and you'll see it in the field organization in the mail header as well. HTH! KArin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- Any technology distinguishable from magic is sufficiently advanced Arthur C Clarke --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: counting the chars in the subject...
Hallo Gerd Ewald, am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2003 schriebst Du: Number of Chars in Subject: %ORG%- - Thanks a lot. This program is just fascinating. I think I will learn to use all it's features within the next ten years. ;-)) -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel - http://www.kuschelkirche.de/ - http://www.kuschelchaos.de/ Ev. Kirchengemeinde Gochsheim - http://www.stmichael-gochsheim.de/ AMIGAplus: alles für die Freundin - http://www.amigaplus.de/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hallo Biju, On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:31:31 -0800GMT (30-1-03, 23:31 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: BN what i want is BAT should automatically pick up the CC list when i BN am forwarding the mail Do you mean that you want to be able to add cc-recipients to your message? In the message editor menu: View - Check 'Carbon Copy' This will cause the cc-box to be shown every time you're editing a message. TB can't show it only when forwarding messages. Do want your cc-list be shown in the message? Add %cclist to your forwarding template. Do you want to show the cc-list of the message when you received it? Add %occlist to your forwarding template. 2. When i am replying to mails, i want to change the color of some text TF TB's editor cannot do this. BN Hmm. this means there is no way in BAT we can achieve BN this...?? :-( '- That's right. If you're really into coloured texts etc, then you bought the wrong client. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: turn off synchronization
Hallo Nikolay, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:54:22 +0200GMT (14-1-03, 9:54 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: NC Is it possible to turn off synchronization that performs when I'm NC turning off the mail client. TB doesn't do any synchronization unless you're giving a manual command. Synchronization with what? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 6:52:26 AM, ,- [ you wrote ] RO Hallo Biju, RO On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:31:31 -0800GMT (30-1-03, 23:31 +0100GMT, where RO I live), you wrote: BN what i want is BAT should automatically pick up the CC list when i BN am forwarding the mail RO Do you mean that you want to be able to add cc-recipients to your RO message? RO In the message editor menu: RO View - Check 'Carbon Copy' RO This will cause the cc-box to be shown every time you're editing a RO message. TB can't show it only when forwarding messages. RO Do want your cc-list be shown in the message? Add %cclist to your RO forwarding template. RO Do you want to show the cc-list of the message when you received it? RO Add %occlist to your forwarding template. The macro %OCCList has solved my problem w.r.t CC ;-) 2. When i am replying to mails, i want to change the color of some text TF TB's editor cannot do this. BN Hmm. this means there is no way in BAT we can achieve BN this...?? :-( '- RO That's right. If you're really into coloured texts etc, then you RO bought the wrong client. No!!! my pal i have not selected the wrong mail client. It is just that colors help us me expressing my emotions in a better way. ;-) '- Regards, Biju Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: counting the chars in the subject...
Hello Heiko, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 6:43:00 AM, ,- [ you wrote ] HK Hallo Gerd Ewald, HK am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2003 schriebst Du: Number of Chars in Subject: %ORG%- - HK Thanks a lot. HK This program is just fascinating. I think I will learn to use all it's HK features within the next ten years. ;-)) '- Subject to condition that BAT IS not getting updated with the new requirements / features in the comming next 10 yrs..;-)) Regards, Biju Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello all. OK, assuming you've not filtered out my email completely because I'm using Outlook 2000 :-), I have a question (or two). I've just found The Bat!, test-installed it (latest as of yesterday, 1.62 is it?), and it looks good, but it seems to me that a move from one email client to another will be a massive investment of my time. 1. Is it worth it? (OK, I know you're all going to say yes!) 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? Some small examples seem to be that: - I cannot open different folders at once in different windows - I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them - I cannot import OL filter rules (OK that's a one shot problem, but I do have loads) - I cannot export folders back to OL .PST files - this makes a migration more risky I'd be glad of any workarounds to these, plus feedback on the questions above. I've also not been massively impressed with stability / quality. The uninstaller doesn't work, for a start, and I've had a few 'crashes' (didn't bother recording the details...) Thoughts on this? cheers__Andy__ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: turn off synchronization
Hello Roelof Otten, On or about Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 15:55:11GMT +0100 (which was 9:55 AM in the tropics where I live) Roelof Otten responded: NC Is it possible to turn off synchronization that performs when I'm NC turning off the mail client. RO TB doesn't do any synchronization unless you're giving a manual RO command. Synchronization with what? I think he may be referring to the message database compression that occurs when the program is closed. In my case I have this set for all folders, which can take as long as 2-3 minutes with the hundred-odd thousand messages in the folders! ;-) If he wants to eliminate this, he must turn OFF message database compression on exit, I'm thinking. This would be under; Account-Properties-Options-Compress all folders on exit [Checkbox] or Individually checked options for each folder created; Folder-Properties-Compress the folder [Checkbox] -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andy, @14-Jan-2003, 15:11 Andy Holt said: Some small examples seem to be that: - I cannot open different folders at once in different windows - Double click on any message in the message list. You can open dozens or even (given memory and resources) hundreds of separate Folder view windows. Enable the message list (in the view menu) for the first folder view window and you should be all set. I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them - No. TB does not become part of the Explorer as MS product does. You can copy search results into a new folder within the system if you need a separate copy of the results. I cannot import OL filter rules (OK that's a one shot problem, but I do have loads) - A reasonable thought and not a lot that can be done about it. I cannot export folders back to OL .PST files - this makes a migration more risky No, but you can export to other formats or (in-extremis) export the folder contents as .eml or .msg files and drag them into Outlook folders. The uninstaller doesn't work, for a start, This was introduced in a recent update and is corrected in the next release (1.62e). and I've had a few 'crashes' (didn't bother recording the details...) Thoughts on this? Generally TB is acknowledged to be high on stability and on standards support. It also has the most effective filtering system there is and the fastest protocol transport capabilities. If you are a power mail user, it is worth using in earnest for a week. If you are a newbie anxious to make yourself completely immune from viral infection, it is a godsend. If you are happy with the client you have and TB would represent to bug a learning curve / wrench from the familiar then it may not be for you. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JCxxOeQkq5KdzaARApzpAJ4igJhLEVR7r3Ft4BxmdDfBzLduzgCg8gAU 7MOcz4rCWy1t/q3OTNPRgSE= =BQ4J -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, Andy Holt wrote... OK, assuming you've not filtered out my email completely because I'm using Outlook 2000 :-), I have a question (or two). I've just found The Bat!, test-installed it (latest as of yesterday, 1.62 is it?), and it looks good, but it seems to me that a move from one email client to another will be a massive investment of my time. 1. Is it worth it? (OK, I know you're all going to say yes!) I'd say 100% without a doubt. It may take you a little getting used to at first, such as the editor, and filtering options... but once everything is in your head, you'll wonder why Outlook never had half the options. 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? I couldn't comment. There are a lot of things I can say the other way around that OL is missing that TB has. Some small examples seem to be that: - I cannot open different folders at once in different windows Yes you can... it's just unusual how you do it. If you double click on an email in a folder, it appears you have just opened an email... Well that is almost correct. Now click on View - Message List. You now have the folder listed in that 'email' window. You can open as many as you want then. - I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them Save searches? - I cannot import OL filter rules (OK that's a one shot problem, but I do have loads) This I've noticed... but TB's filtering is a lot more powerful, and you could probably cut some of the filters out. - I cannot export folders back to OL .PST files - this makes a migration more risky If you're not sure, you could set Outlook to leave mail on server, and set TB to do the same. Then just play with both until you have made that final decision. That way you don't lose any mail, and if you're not sure, you can still jump back... if you wanted ;) I'd be glad of any workarounds to these, plus feedback on the questions above. I've also not been massively impressed with stability / quality. The uninstaller doesn't work, for a start, and I've had a few 'crashes' (didn't bother recording the details...) Thoughts on this? Most curious. It depends on what you're doing I guess. Since I started using TB! a while ago, I think I've had 3 crashes. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPiQtjSuD6BT4/R9zEQKM7ACdEFB7Mj0c/tSk9sNcjZ42uvAy6OwAoP+Z C4jrIrLVDCAhKc5XFwt8ohzz =Fith -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Same headers in Forward Reply, is this a bug?
Hello all, I was re-reading a message that I had both replied to and also forwarded to someone else. I wanted to see the reply I had written so I hit CtrlBkSp but TB took me to the forwarded message and not to the reply. Looking at the headers I see the following: ,- [ Original message ] | Subject: License Code Lombardia | Message-ID: 3E106414.9505.15CB8BE@localhost `- ,- [ Forwarded message ] | Subject: Fwd: License Code Lombardia | In-Reply-To: 3E106414.9505.15CB8BE@localhost | References: 3E106414.9505.15CB8BE@localhost `- ,- [ Reply ] | Subject: Re: License Code Lombardia | In-Reply-To: 3E106414.9505.15CB8BE@localhost | References: 3E106414.9505.15CB8BE@localhost `- I am not familiar with RFCs but common sense (at least my common sense) tells me that the forwarded message should not include an In-Reply-To header. A forward is *not* a reply. Does anybody know if this is a bug or WAD? TIA. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:15:41 -0800 GMT (31/01/03, 03:15 +0700 GMT), Biju Nair wrote: What planet or galaxy is he writing from that it is already January 30th? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Andy, - I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them No, you cant save them in the way you say. But the Message Finder saves the last 9 searches you have done with all conditions (not just the search strings). You can re-use any of them by opening the Message Finder and going to Edit-Use previous conditions. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003 @ 7:11:56 AM [-0700], Andy Holt wrote: 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? Johnathan and Marck have answered your other questions but I wanted to touch on this one. I used Outlook for several years. Due to Outlook's susceptibility to virii, limited filter configuration, and poor poor ability to view mail headers, I was always looking for a new mail client. About a year ago I found The Bat! and have never looked back. I can't think of one thing Outlook did that I cannot do in TB!. However, I CAN think of many things TB! can do that Outlook could not. :] (Good ol' F9) -- Matt Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 3:11:56 PM, Andy Holt wrote: 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? I moved from Outlook 2002, and I cannot now think of anything that I miss particularly, apart, maybe, from the ability of Outlook to track shared documents, etc. That is a theoretical issue, because in reality I never used it anyway. I still use Outlook for my contacts and diary (I have not got round to finding a suitable replacement that will work with my Palm), and there is no easy way of synchronising address book entries, but this is not a major problem. Some of the things that I can do with TB! out of the box, I had to spend a lot of money on with Outlook. For example, I used Email Templates in Outlook (a costly add-on that cost more than TB!) which had 1/2 the functionality and 1/4 of the ease of use of TB! templates and filters. - I cannot export folders back to OL .PST files - this makes a migration more risky As others have suggested, don't allow TB to delete mail from the server. You can then download it into Outlook as well, just in case you want to go back. I did this for a couple of weeks, although I purchased the full version of TB a day after I downloaded it, because I knew there was no going back! I've also not been massively impressed with stability / quality. The uninstaller doesn't work, for a start, and I've had a few 'crashes' (didn't bother recording the details...) Thoughts on this? No problems here with crashes, and I haven't had to use the uninstaller yet! Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tmp files
Hello fellow tbudl'ers, I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have discovered 324 files in; C:\WINDOWS\TEMP The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be message ID's. Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free some space on the system. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Flying high with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Jonathan, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 at 09:32:25[GMT -0600](which was 15:32 where I live) you wrote: Yes you can... it's just unusual how you do it. If you double click on an email in a folder, it appears you have just opened an email... Well that is almost correct. Now click on View - Message List. You now have the folder listed in that 'email' window. You can open as many as you want then. I've never used this facility up until now when I thought I'd have a go. It certainly is useful but where can you apply global settings instead of having to reset each folder that is opened? For each folder I open I have to reset the columns, window size and sort by Threading and received time which is my preference. -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/3 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. In every walk with nature, one receives far more than he seeks. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: turn off synchronization
Hello Spike, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:18:44 -0500 GMT (14/01/03, 22:18 +0700 GMT), Spike wrote: I think he may be referring to the message database compression that occurs when the program is closed. In my case I have this set for all folders, which can take as long as 2-3 minutes with the hundred-odd thousand messages in the folders! ;-) This is exactly the reason why I don't compress on exit any more. I purge compress all folders (the menu item is still misnamed Purge all folders) manually every couple of days. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS But it uses up a thousand times the memory. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 11:27:30 AM, Spike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within S the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide S with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not S positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than S May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they S containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be S message ID's. S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. This has been an occasional topic. Some people have experienced this and most haven't. Don't think anyone every figured out why. My 2 cents is that this is not a TB specific issue. Windows in general - regardless of which version - does not clean up after itself very well. Nor do many, many apps. Go to the average machine and you'll see tons of junk in temp. Everyone should run an occasional cleanup routine to get rid of stuff in the system temp and the user temp directories (latter is specific to W2K and Win XP.) Also note that with W2K and XP you can delete files based on access OR modified OR creation dates. Finally, it's often a good idea to run a login/logoff script in an enterprise environment to automate this process. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
On 14 January 2003, 15:11, Andy Holt wrote: 1. Is it worth it? (OK, I know you're all going to say yes!) --- This very much depends on your priorities. If you need all the bells and whistles that Outlook provides (such as HTML, Outlook Forms, or WordMail), then No. If you need the security of an MUA that resolutely refuses to execute malignant code or fetch offsite resources, then Outlook is a non-starter. This is where I came in. 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? --- - Built in calendar functions - Notes (OK, you can fake notes, but it's not the same!) But ... there are things in TB that Outlook can't match. For example, TB's filtering is much more powerful than Outlook's rules; you can attach templates to address book groups and contacts, to message folders and to accounts. Some small examples seem to be that: - I cannot open different folders at once in different windows --- Yes you can. Try this: 1. Double click a message. The folder opens with current message selected. 2. If required, from the View menu of the folder window, choose Message List. 3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 for all other folders you want to view. - I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them --- Maybe not, but Edit-Use previous conditions in the Message Finder lets you re-use the last nine searches. - I cannot import OL filter rules (OK that's a one shot problem, but I do have loads) --- As you say, this is a one-off. You also have a bit of a learning curve because the TB Sorting Office makes Outlook look pretty sickg - I cannot export folders back to OL .PST files - this makes a migration more risky ~~~ You can't. However, many of us use a relatively cheap shareware product called Mailbag Assistant (http://www.fookes.com/) to manage archives. This gives much of the benefits of multiple Outlook PST files. AFAIK, the only standard mail format that Outlook understands is individual emails. This does make reverting to Outlook onerous. It's easy to do (export from TB or MBA as individual emails), but time-consuming. FWIW, I've had a few crashes from TB. However, they only affect TB. Contrast this with Outlook, which used to crash far more regularly and take the OS with it, leaving an ungraceful shutdown the only option. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, @14-Jan-2003, 16:32 Richard Wakeford [RW] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RW ... where can you apply global settings instead of having to RW reset each folder that is opened? I have Use the account default column settings enabled for all my folders (well, most of them) and have no problem seeing them in that consistent format. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JD6KOeQkq5KdzaARAphvAKD7TbvDG22nwISGv29V5qNKdpLiOQCgjzft R8VqblSHVKyYVEQIXptrBBU= =z+DN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
I believe the tmp files are what TB creates when downloading pop messages, because from time to time when my virus scanner picks up a virus being downloaded, it locks the particular tmp file. The reasons for it not cleaning them up could could be a variety of things, including virus scanners, or TB just not cleaning up after itself for some reason, like a crash. They are safe to delete though. I delete mine on occasion. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 11:27:30 AM, you wrote: S Hello fellow tbudl'ers, S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within S the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide S with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not S positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than S May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they S containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be S message ID's. S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Andy, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:11:56 - GMT (14/01/03, 22:11 +0700 GMT), Andy Holt wrote: 1. Is it worth it? (OK, I know you're all going to say yes!) Of course we are. ;-) In addition to what has been said already, let me add the following: The aspect that made me migrate to The Bat was the seperate handling of multiple accounts. I know that Outlook can pop several accounts, but all messages are put into the same inbox. This creates problems; I have friends you have a private and a business email, and they want me to use only their private mailbox, but when they reply to my messages, the replies always come from their office email address. Luckily, this can easily be overcome with TB's templates. I myself never used Outlook but used to different email clients (Netscape and Eudora), one for private and the other for business. Equally inefficent. TB solved the problem, and I have now 7 competely seperate email accounts (at six different providers) within the same email client. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If God dropped acid, would he see people? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hallo Spike, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:27:30 -0500GMT (14-1-03, 17:27 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP Those are all temporary files, that because of one reason or another aren't deleted. You can delete everyone of them that's got a timestamp older than your current Windows session. S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? TB can create files with that nomenclature during the download of messages and maybe while compressing. S Can they be deleted safely? Yep, as long as they aren't created in your current Windows session. ;-) S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB of S space being used (wasted?). Delete them manually or go to the drive properties in the explorer and select 'clean disk' (or whatever it's called in the English version), you get a pop-up that lets you select what to clean: check 'temporary files' and 'temporary internet files' Other option is to add a line: del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp to your autoexec.bat, so that you're emptyinng the directory during each startup, that ought to be a safe moment, since Windows hasn't got the time to create them then. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Spike, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:27:30 -0500 GMT (14/01/03, 23:27 +0700 GMT), Spike wrote: I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have discovered 324 files in; C:\WINDOWS\TEMP The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or not? The ones named bat*.tmp are related to TB. Whenever TB downloads mail, it puts each into the tmp folder first, then imports it into the mail database, and if everything is successful, deletes it from the tmp folder. If there is a problem, the bat*.tmp file stays were it is, so that you can debug (if you want to). There can be two reasons why the files stay there regularly: 1.) Your connection is unstable. This was the case over here; at my old appartment, the telephone conection was vut after 20 minutes, and if that was during a mail check, such .tmp files stayed in the tmp directory. 2.) There is a problem. Now, you mention that all these messages date until May 2002. I remember there was a version that produced bat droppings, but the problem has long been fixed (it could have been a beta, I don't remember). Maybe you were running that version. And yes, you can safely delete them. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tmp files
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On or about Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 00:03:18GMT +0700 (which was 12:03 PM in the tropics where I live) Thomas Fernandez responded: TF The ones named bat*.tmp are related to TB. Good to know! TF There can be two reasons why the files stay there regularly: TF 1.) Your connection is unstable. This was the case over here; at my TF old appartment, the telephone conection was vut after 20 minutes, and TF if that was during a mail check, such .tmp files stayed in the tmp TF directory. Not an issue here with ADSL :-) TF 2.) There is a problem. Now, you mention that all these messages date TF until May 2002. I remember there was a version that produced bat TF droppings, but the problem has long been fixed (it could have been a TF beta, I don't remember). Maybe you were running that version. I believe this is the case. They suddenly stop about the time I did an upgrade to 1.6x. TF And yes, you can safely delete them. I like a good bottom line! I deleted _everything_ in the TEMP folder and recovered over 1.2GB of space!! Thanks to all who responded so quickly. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Not everything that can be counted, counts. And not everything that counts can be counted. (Albert Einstein) -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Marck, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 at 16:44:55[GMT +](which was 16:44 where I live) you wrote: I have Use the account default column settings enabled for all my folders (well, most of them) and have no problem seeing them in that consistent format. Hm, not here, well not everything. Some of my newer folders did not have the default column setting selected (they do now) and I do at least now get consistent window sizes an well as threading and messages sorted by received date for View folders. However I still get spurious columns that I don't want and that I do not have in the main folders :-( -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/3 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. The fool who is silent can pass for wise Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: turn off synchronization
ON Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 5:41:32 PM, you wrote: TF This is exactly the reason why I don't compress on exit any more. I TF purge compress all folders (the menu item is still misnamed Purge TF all folders) manually every couple of days. Hi Thomas, You might consider leaving the purge compress option on for the Inbox folder. All msg go through here before being filtered to other folders, at least if you have it setup something like me. This means that the inbox file will have the biggest amount of garbage in it. A PC of the inbox would benefit the whole system performance. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I catch fish in water that is more shallow than the rough here. Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
ON Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 4:57:45 PM, you wrote: MAU Hello Andy, - I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them MAU No, you cant save them in the way you say. But the Message Finder MAU saves the last 9 searches you have done with all conditions (not MAU just the search strings). You can re-use any of them by opening the MAU Message Finder and going to Edit-Use previous conditions. Hi Miguel, Thanks for that. I was just repeatedly doing the same search and thought what I great function this would be. Beaten by TB! again, you got to love this baby :) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Good players have the power to think while they are competing. Most golfers are not thinking even when they believe they are. They are only worrying. Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: turn off synchronization
Hi Gerard, on Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:38:00 +0100GMT (14.01.03, 20:38 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TF This is exactly the reason why I don't compress on exit any more. I TF purge compress all folders (the menu item is still misnamed Purge TF all folders) manually every couple of days. G You might consider leaving the purge compress option on for the Inbox G folder. All msg go through here before being filtered to other folders, G at least if you have it setup something like me. You are right with that. I still prefer, not to have it automatically done on exit, as sometimes, when I shut down my computer, I want it to shut down as fast as possible, because I want to leave, and again have overestimated the time left before my date... ;-) So I do it like Thomas - purge and compress manually every now and then in between my sessions, when there is some spare time. :-) -- Cheers Peter Everybody repeat after me.We are all individuals. Winamp currently playing: Gay Terry Woods - Full Moon Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 3:11:56 PM,Andy wrote: AH I've also not been massively impressed with stability / quality. The AH uninstaller doesn't work, for a start, and I've had a few 'crashes' AH (didn't bother recording the details...) Thoughts on this? Andy, I had to pick up on this as I've not had the problem you describe despite using three different versions of TB! to date, including 1.62. Crashes are very rare in TB! unlike Outlook Express which had a tendency to fall over if you held you head at the wrong angle! I've used the uninstaller as well and it does work fine - all it leaves behind are the files which are created by you during the use of the progran - e.g. your mail databases and address book, which is what any decent software should do anyhow. Hope this helps :-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, @14-Jan-2003, 19:28 Richard Wakeford [RW] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RW However I still get spurious columns that I don't want and that RW I do not have in the main folders :-( The pop-up folder view is different from the Main window folder view and stores and separate configuration. Just set the columns once and they will be remembered for the pop-up folder too. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JJmPOeQkq5KdzaARAraLAJ465mr9OygDHFc5QKc6zsbtSVZ07ACgzaOi rKLTxiaPNFFMMQIzlpHH8BA= =q2kO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Gerard, Beaten by TB! again, you got to love this baby :) I do :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Marck, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, at 16:44:55 GMT + (1/14/2003, 10:44 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have Use the account default column settings enabled for all my folders (well, most of them) and have no problem seeing them in that consistent format. Can you change the default column settings? If yes, how? -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Marck, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 at 23:13:17[GMT +](which was 23:13 where I live) you wrote: The pop-up folder view is different from the Main window folder view and stores and separate configuration. Just set the columns once and they will be remembered for the pop-up folder too. Well that's very weird because, earlier on, I changed the columns in one of the folders but it didn't take in the others. I have a horrible feeling that I left that particular folder open and it didn't save the settings and apply them to the other ones as I opened them. I have now done it again and it works just fine thanks. As has been said several times already today, this programme has surprises round every corner and almost all of them are nice ones too ;-) -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/3 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. The harder you work the luckier you become. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Greg, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 at 18:04:57[GMT -0600](which was 00:04 where I live) you wrote: Can you change the default column settings? If yes, how? Yes I can. I right clicked on the toolbar and selected the columns I wanted. I think I've found out what I was doing wrong. I didn't shut the folder that I made the adjustments in so they didn't take in the other folders I subsequently opened. Now corrected and all working fine thanks. Can't see the wood for the trees again ;-) -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/3 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. Power corrupts, but we need electricity Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, @14-Jan-2003, 18:04 -0600 (00:04 UK time) Greg Strong [GS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have Use the account default column settings enabled for all my folders (well, most of them) and have no problem seeing them in that consistent format. GS Can you change the default column settings? If yes, how? Just change any folder that is configured to be one of those using the settings. All other folder similarly set will be affected by the changes. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JKqvOeQkq5KdzaARAqiPAJ9MYJH0lYJJLBq8lEGbFzLhM5qmfgCg94ei QB5tq4Ri/Be5Q2qrJesz02M= =YfSp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Julian, On January 14, 2003, 11:09, you wrote: JBL reality I never used it anyway. I still use Outlook for my contacts JBL and diary (I have not got round to finding a suitable replacement that JBL will work with my Palm), and there is no easy way of synchronising JBL address book entries, but this is not a major problem. Try Time and Chaos http://www.isbister.com/ I use it for a number of years. It can be synchronized with Palm (a separate program available from isbister.cim. Both shareware (try it before buy), not very expensive, all updates are free. Keeps Appointments, Todo's, Address book, all linked together. Makes and accept v-cards. etc. -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Marck, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 at 00:26:21[GMT +](which was 00:26 where I live) you wrote: Just change any folder that is configured to be one of those using the settings. All other folder similarly set will be affected by the changes. But only when you close the folder in which you made the changes first as I found out this afternoon. Otherwise you will have to make the changes in each folder separately as you open it. -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/3 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. Happiness is the reward we get for living to the highest right we know. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 9:57:45 AM, Miguel wrote: - I cannot save searches and thus make explorer short cuts to them But the Message Finder saves the last 9 searches you have done with all conditions (not just the search strings). You can re-use any of them by opening the Message Finder and going to Edit-Use previous conditions. Wow! 2 years of TBing for me, and I had no idea this existed! Thanks Miguel!! -- Dave Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Andy, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 3:11:56 PM, you wrote: AH Hello all. AH OK, assuming you've not filtered out my email completely because I'm AH using Outlook 2000 :-), I have a question (or two). I've just found The AH Bat!, test-installed it (latest as of yesterday, 1.62 is it?), and it AH looks good, but it seems to me that a move from one email client to AH another will be a massive investment of my time. AH 1. Is it worth it? (OK, I know you're all going to say yes!) AH 2. (for ex-Outlook 2000 users) Being honest, are there any things that AH OL 2000 does that you cannot do in TB!, that you miss? I can't tell you how to do all the things you're asking, because I haven't used TB for long enough (How long is long enough? How long is a piece of string g). What I can tell you is that I changed from OL/OE two months ago and I've never regretted it. TB is far better as a dedicated mail client instead of the how many functions can we cram into it Outlook, and is more effective than OE. I still use Outlook as my PIM, but I have no regrets that I no longer use it for mail. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Spike, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 4:27:30 PM, you wrote: S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. .tmp files are created by the by programs for use in the current session of Windows. The are *temporary* files which should be deleted by the software. However, software doesn't always handle this well and sometimes doesn't delete them all. This is most likely when the software crashes or when you have just installed something (I find installers are particularly bad at clearing out tmp files.). .tmp files are generic and not specific to any program and are a way of, for example, having a back up of say, a Word document when you are creating it. Consequently, the best way to deal with them is to write a short batch file which either a. deletes all files form that folder on shutdown, or b. deletes all files in that folder not having the same date as the current Windows session and using the Windows Scheduler to run it every week or so. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Issue with In-Box Filters
I am having problems with filters for my in-boxes. I am using the inbox-known for many of my contacts, but would also like to add a filter identifying a few with a color group. The transfer to the inbox-known works fine, but the color group filters do not. On the rule tab, the source folder is set as the in box and set to move them to the inbox-known. (I had no options available on the source folder.) The rule is active, and the string is set for the sender. On both the Actions and Advanced tabs I have set the color group I want for these messages. On the options tab, I have tried both checking and unchecking continue processing with other filters. I have also tried moving the filter ahead of the Known filter and down to the bottom just in case sequencing was an issue, but there is no difference. I'm using TheBat! v.1.62 Christmas. (I'm sing an Interne account to send, however, because I'm temporarily overseas and cannot send from the account at which I'm subscribed, in case anyone wonders why TB! doesn't show up in the headers.) Obviously I'm missing something. Any advice? Thanks, Rick Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
Hello Richard, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:43:03 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 09:43 +0700 GMT), Richard H. Stoddard wrote: I am having problems with filters for my in-boxes. I am using the inbox-known for many of my contacts, but would also like to add a filter identifying a few with a color group. The transfer to the inbox-known works fine, but the color group filters do not. On the rule tab, the source folder is set as the in box and set to move them to the inbox-known. (I had no options available on the source folder.) The rule is active, and the string is set for the sender. On both the Actions and Advanced tabs I have set the color group I want for these messages. OK, here is the confusion. Action and Advanced are two different things. And I am not sure yet which of these you want to achieve. Actions: This is used in order to set the message to a colour group. Advanced: This is an additional condition, meaning the filter should be triggered only if the message already has the colour group. Pick your choice. I am not sure which one you mean, but certainly it doesn't make sense to set the message to a colour group if, and only if, it already has the colour group. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Next Sunday a special collection will be taken to defray the cost of the new carpet. All those wishing to do something on the new carpet will come forward and do so. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hello Miguel, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 7:49:55 AM, ,- [ you wrote ] MAU Hello Thomas, On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:15:41 -0800 GMT (31/01/03, 03:15 +0700 GMT), Biju Nair wrote: MAU What planet or galaxy is he writing from that it is already January MAU 30th? ;-) '- Friends I am composing the mails from the Planet called as EARTH located in the milky way galaxy. As 4 the dates.. Well i was just trying to peek in the Future... Anyways now i am back ;-) Regards, Biju Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Free anti-trojan/spyware/adware/virus
In the free (for personal use) anti-trojan category, Backwork: http://www.framework.nl/backwork/eng/index.html M. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
Hello Richard, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, at 21:43:03 GMT -0500 (1/14/2003, 8:43 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am having problems with filters for my in-boxes. I am using the inbox-known for many of my contacts, but would also like to add a filter identifying a few with a color group. The transfer to the inbox-known works fine, but the color group filters do not. See Signal strings Filtering actions in the help file. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think besides the Known filter you will have to have an additional filter for each color group. In the Known filter make sure you have Continue processing with other filters checked. For each additional filter associated with a color group you would use the email address as the search string on sender. For each additional address associated with the same color group go to the Alternatives tab, and add a set. On the Action tab select and check Set the message's colour group to. Good luck! -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hello Biju, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:52:53 -0800 GMT (15/01/03, 23:52 +0700 GMT), Biju Nair wrote: Friends I am composing the mails from the Planet called as EARTH located in the milky way galaxy. I've heard about that planet. Third rock from the sun? As 4 the dates.. Well i was just trying to peek in the Future... Anyways now i am back ;-) Almost. Your computer is set to the right time, but you are in GMT+0530 (India). Your computer thinks you are in GMT-0800 (US West Coast). Therefore, you are still 13h 30mins in the future. All you need to do now is go to MyComputer / Configuration / Date and Time / set your time zone to India and click Apply. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ist es nicht merkwuerdig, dass jeden Tag gerade so viel passiert, wie in die Zeitung passt? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 7:35:14 PM, ,- [ you wrote ] TF Hello Biju, TF On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:52:53 -0800 GMT (15/01/03, 23:52 +0700 GMT), TF Biju Nair wrote: Friends I am composing the mails from the Planet called as EARTH located in the milky way galaxy. TF I've heard about that planet. Third rock from the sun? Yeah !!! bery bery true ;-) As 4 the dates.. Well i was just trying to peek in the Future... Anyways now i am back ;-) TF Almost. Your computer is set to the right time, but you are in TF GMT+0530 (India). Your computer thinks you are in GMT-0800 (US West TF Coast). Therefore, you are still 13h 30mins in the future. TF All you need to do now is go to MyComputer / Configuration / TF Date and Time / set your time zone to India and click Apply. Eeks!!! I hope that now i have landed in your planet n showing the right time and date... '- Regards, Biju Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
