Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary Thank you for your email dated Saturday, January 18, 2003, 4:01:24 AM, in which you wrote: MB I just don't belong here Rubbish. You use TB! You want to learn how to use it for *your* purposes. You sometimes need help to do this. You belong here. QED. -- Regards William www.residues.info Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I want to clarify I few things here
Editing in HTML and sending Emails in HTML is expected in this century. Yes Text messages have their place too, however, do not stamp your feet and send a plain message to friend or potential client. Many people like html mail This why the smartest setting on Email is both html and text outbound and if you never want to see HTML just set your receive mode to accept only the text part of an html email or bounce the message, however, do not deprive other users from HTML mail which still has its place. A client of mine is just the oposite. Hates text plain messages. Loves HTML which is why she does not care for the BAT. Also it makes a product look hoky when graphics com up as square [X] instead of what it should have. I do agree Javascript should be a security feature enabled or disabled by the user. I completely disagree about the let the browser do the work. People like convenience. i use Opera at times and find it to open fast so this is less of an issue for me now, but would not it be nice to down arrow each message seeing a preview displayed without the [X} graphics and render the actual page with or without script or applet/active X or flash enable?? Take a look at HotMetal which embeds explorer code. I think something like that can be done and give you the control while using a dll interface from the browser vendor to more quickly render the web page clearly and securely. Again these features should be configurable I think News groups are an important part of an Email client as well. TB needs to match the Eudora capbilities while leaving out the security flaws and inefficiencies, but provide the capability to display messages and edit messages in HTML. Again I think a simple switch when installing should nicely take care of the Mr. Text onlys who hate HTML email. News groups are important and so is the ability to edit HTML and receive and display it. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:57:35 AM, Allie Martin wrote: So when using TB!'s backup, watch out for any errors that are reported. If errors are reported, don't rely on the backup since you could lose mail or the backup will not restore. You'll have to first fix your installation, provided you found where the problem is, and trust the backup only if it has occurred without any errors. I use the backup facility to maintain a historical version of TB that I can go back to if I find that I have deleted something I may have needed. For a backup of my current installation, I use 12Ghosts Backup (http://12ghosts.com/ghosts/backup.htm) which maintains a full copy of my /MAIL folder once an hour (this can be set to any value) to a second HD which I use for general backups. The program only copies files that have changed since the last backup, so it does not have a noticeable impact on system performance. This second HD is removeable, so if I am going away, I take it out and put it somewhere safe, away from my PC. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FTP
Hello Mary, Well, I skipped an intermediate step. But the bottom line is the same--convey HTML information via website and there will be no need for an HTML text editor in The Bat! No, Mary. Think of HTML as if it was a language (which it actually is, Hyper Text Markup Language), for example Spanish, and that TB's editor could only be used for English text. Would you think then that it would be reasonable to ask for and Spanish Editor (or French, or ...) so I could send e-mail in Spanish? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FTP
Hello Allie, So I'm afraid I have to interrupt things here and ask that we stop any further discussions about FTP here. Sorry, I sent another reply to Mary before seeing your message. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Anne, If it was standalone one then I'd have no problems with it. I wouldn't want to see a newsreader/mail client combo though. Why are some of you somewhat afraid of a newsreader/mail client combo? It could be (should be) quite transparent to you if you just want to use it for e-mail. As I envision it, the difference would (could) be that when you want to create a new account you are given the option to create a mail or a news account. If you create a mail one you have to configure the POP and SMTP servers, etc., and if a news one the news server. What a big deal! Just like now when creating a news folder we have the option to create a normal folder in the selected account or a global folder. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Mike, Well, it just so happens that MacDonalds is having financial problems and is shutting restaurants all over the world :) Which, to me, is good news. I believe that not even the US should be allowed to have massive destruction weapons. ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Anne, In my experience Tools » Backup works extremely well. Being able to back up filters would be nice though. Ever tried Second Copy 2000 from http://www.centered.com/ ? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Robert, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:12:56 AM, you wrote: Editing in HTML and sending Emails in HTML is expected in this century. Yes Text messages have their place too, however, do not stamp your feet and send a plain message to friend or potential client. Many people like html mail This why the smartest setting on Email is both html and text outbound and if you never want to see HTML just set your receive mode to accept only the text part of an html email or bounce the message, however, do not deprive other users from HTML mail which still has its place. A client of mine is just the oposite. Hates text plain messages. Loves HTML which is why she does not care for the BAT. Also it makes a product look hoky when graphics com up as square [X] instead of what it should have. Sounds like you really meant to type instead of how a web browser would have displayed it. The Bat isn't a web browser. There is no reason for it to behave like such. I do agree Javascript should be a security feature enabled or disabled by the user. I completely disagree about the let the browser do the work. People like convenience. i use Opera at times and find it to open fast so this is less of an issue for me now, but would not it be nice to down arrow each message seeing a preview displayed without the [X} graphics and render the actual page with or without script or applet/active X or flash enable?? The idea behind not downloading images files on web servers is that doing so opens the client up to spammer tricks involving things like web bugs. HTML messages which include the graphics as part of the e-mail do render properly. Take a look at HotMetal which embeds explorer code. I think something like that can be done and give you the control while using a dll interface from the browser vendor to more quickly render the web page clearly and securely. I shudder at the thought of Internet Explorer being called secure. Embeding Internet Explorer in an application introduces all of it bugs and there are a lot of them. Again these features should be configurable I think News groups are an important part of an Email client as well. I disagree. Being a News Reader is not the responsibility of an e-mail client. TB needs to match the Eudora capbilities while leaving out the security flaws and inefficiencies, but provide the capability to display messages and edit messages in HTML. Again I think a simple switch when installing should nicely take care of the Mr. Text onlys who hate HTML email. News groups are important and so is the ability to edit HTML and receive and display it. I absolutely agree, News groups are important. I read them all the time myself. The ability to edit HTML and being able to receive and display it is also good. They just don't belong in an e-mail client. - -- Best regards, Jonathan Chattin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQE+KTvbryIAwRrDgYwRAlFWAKDd8c7POMRLJI2FM2BnyHzCRFRn2QCgvJ8n eOWT/tSh0NTMWdEkDYP8IQ8= =8Bzm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hi all, Samstag, 18. Januar 2003 12:28 you wrote: i am lurking into this thread with interest. This discussion reminds me a lot to those Macintosh --- Windows and OS/2 --- Windows Discussions. In my opinion, The Bat needs to support all the features, the main competition (M$) is offering - this means HTML Emails, Usenet Group Support etc. Of course it would be great, if the user could choose to work just with plain text, or with all the bells and whistles activated. Take a look from the commercial side: Non-Power Users like me, like to have all the features other software is offerung included PLUS the security and mighty other functions The Bat is already offering. Just my 2 cents MAU Why are some of you somewhat afraid of a newsreader/mail client MAU combo? It could be (should be) quite transparent to you if you just MAU want to use it for e-mail. As I envision it, the difference would MAU (could) be that when you want to create a new account you are given MAU the option to create a mail or a news account. If you create a mail one MAU you have to configure the POP and SMTP servers, etc., and if a news MAU one the news server. What a big deal! Just like now when creating a MAU news folder we have the option to create a normal folder in the MAU selected account or a global folder. -- Best Regards, Thorsten Bruchhäusermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Still Running Slow
OK... Here's what I've done so far: Defragged the disk. Re-installed Win2k SP2 and security updates. Re-installed ZoneAlarm (firewall). Re-installed Trend Micro (virus scanner). Re-installed The Bat. Removed ALL the files and am using just the Inbox. Mail still downloads at normal speed for my line, but there is a noticeable delay at Importing Mail. There are no filters, and I removed all the files I could, forcing a new install. I cannot remove TheBat, getting an error that my wife tells me is in Romanian. (She should know, her family came from there. g) This means, if I want to try a really clean install, I need to format again. Not fun. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, I am frustrated again. I do think Peter Meyns's implication may be right--and the frank suggestion made by Anne back in October: we need a different TB! list for beginners and newbies. Disagree. If only beginners and newbies use the list, who's going to answer the questions? Then, if those considered experts and willing to help have to join the newbies list, wouldn't that be a duplication of TBUDL? And also, how long is a piece of string? (What is a newbie's question?). You know my argument, we were all newbies some time. So please, don't be shy and and jump into any thread and ask a_n_y_t_h_i_n_g you don't understand. Please! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
Hi Michael, On Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 05:37:32 [GMT -0600], you wrote: MD OK... Here's what I've done so far: MD [...] MD Re-installed ZoneAlarm (firewall). MD [...] MD Any ideas? Dump ZoneAlarm. You will find a billion mails about the problems between ZoneAlarm and TB in the archives. If you *really* need a personal firewall, then I'd kindly suggest one which doesn't mess up your whole system. Kerio is quite good in that respect although others may think differently about that. -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, It's like a Catch-22. What is a Catch-22? I'm asking seriously, because I don't know what it means. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
On 18 January 2003, 10:12, Robert Silver wrote: Also it makes a product look hoky when graphics com up as square [X] ~~~ Strange enough, those [X]'s give me a warm, fuzzy feeling because I know that another spammer cannot use that potential web bug to verify my e-mail address and I know that some inconsiderate explicative hasn't succeeded in causing me additional costs by getting my router to re-dial to collect their off-page (usually) garbage. -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Pedestrian: A motorist who found a parking space Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, If I had not felt it necessary to thank Miguel on-list, I could have stayed out of trouble! :) But I had just acknowledged Jonathan on TBOT and thought it was only right to reply to Miguel, who was writing to me on TBUDL. Maybe also because I'm not on TBOT :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:50:32 AM, Miguel A. Urech wrote: What is a Catch-22? I'm asking seriously, because I don't know what it means. http://www.webster.edu/~barrettb/heller.htm Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, I just don't belong here, You are a TB user, aren't you? Then you belong here as much as any other TB user (guru or newbie) does. Period. Nobody is forced to follow all threads and read all messages. There are filters (once you have learned how to use them) and everybody knows how to use the Delete key (Please ask if you don't :). I'm not unsubscribing just yet. Please don't! You hear me?!? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU What is a Catch-22? I'm asking seriously, because I don't know
MAU what it means.
AFAIK, it's a term of military origin which basically means the same
as terms as:
Being between a rock and a hard place.
From the frying pan into the fire.
Between the devil and the deep blue sea.
IOW's, if you do X, a bad thing happens. If you do not do X, a bad
thing happens anyway. So you're in a dilemna.
I just came across this page:
http://www.bellmore-merrick.k12.ny.us/catch22.html
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Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 at 12:50:32[GMT +0100](which was 11:50 where I live) you wrote: What is a Catch-22? I'm asking seriously, because I don't know what it means. Catch 22 is an absurd situation from which one can never win. Being constantly balked by a clause, rule etc which itself can change to block any change in one's course of action. From Chambers 20th Century Dictionary. -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/4 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Thorsten, In my opinion, The Bat needs to support all the features, the main competition (M$) is offering - this means HTML Emails, Usenet Group Support etc. Of course it would be great, if the user could choose to work just with plain text, or with all the bells and whistles activated. Of course! Nobody should be forced to use a feature he doesn't want to use. I wouldn't use TB if I was forced to use PGP, but it is good the option is there for those who want or need to use it. And I don't complain if the developers devote time to debugging or improving the PGP features. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Julian, What is a Catch-22? I'm asking seriously, because I don't know what it means. http://www.webster.edu/~barrettb/heller.htm Thanks, I guess I get it now. :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I want to clarify I few things here
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Geoff, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:50:49 AM, you wrote: GL On 18 January 2003, 10:12, Robert Silver wrote: Also it makes a product look hoky when graphics com up as square [X] GL ~~~ GL Strange enough, those [X]'s give me a warm, fuzzy feeling because I GL know that another spammer cannot use that potential web bug to verify GL my e-mail address and I know that some inconsiderate explicative GL hasn't succeeded in causing me additional costs by getting my router GL to re-dial to collect their off-page (usually) garbage. The Xs give me a fuzzy feeling too but doesn't necessarily mean X out everything... I should be able to allow viewing HTML in its entirety or be able to choose who can send me HTML formatted mail at least... To me everyone, their mother and pet gold fish can argue all they want but I would love to see more HTML support in the near future. A built in RTF editor so I can at least bold some headings and make italic others I feel need to be emphasized. Everyone might argue that e-mail is supposed to do this and not do that is like saying a car with no heater in the dead of winter on a 24hr trip is not really necessary because the cars only purpose is to get you from a to z (and it is!). But you would probably drop dead of the freeze *if* such a convenience didn't exist... I don't hear much argument about that... Another thing is why when someone says wheres the news reader the bat isn't or shouldn't be a news reader? I suare from the bottom of my heart I hate with a passion dictatorship... If the people want it and theres enough motion why argue? I would love to see news group support with the bat... It can completely remove Mozilla from my system if it did it could probably completely remove outlook from others... I bet my life if an RTF editor was introduced to The Bat! you might say I'll never use it (yeah, right) but you will. You have too... plain text is robotic and you'll use the bold and italic command sooner or later... Its almost guaranteed... I can almost bet my life if a news group reader was introduced you would use it too. Come'on think about that one, argue if you wish too... You're going to turn off the heat on purpose because you know its a convenience and that its not really necessary? I love The Bat! and theres no argument about its current status and my point to this whole thread and *every* community member is if you see something *you don't* like, no matter how much you don't like it leave it be... Polls and surveys work with disagreement but you're trying to persuade an inevitable argument... I can almost bet my life that if HTML, RTF and a news group reader was introduced this bat list would be flooded with new members and the RitLabs team would have more money to develop The Bat! further and faster than before which should be a good thing right? Most people expect HTML and to compose in RTF and a lot of people would really enjoy a news reader... I say the old saying goes well... Carry a gun and not need it, than need it and not have it... I currently support 100% the idea of more enabled HTML, RTF, and news reading capabilities and word is its coming whether you like it or not... My question is once its here will you stop upgrading? - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPilKPF3LB35+TCg0EQKPYQCeNQze0Uy80lq+jbWl3GTKqoZaLJIAoI8y sYNdzU9rwYMt2AGR7FvEBmVN =/LaD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
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In 003c01c2beda$2ced91b0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:003c01c2beda$2ced91b0$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Robert Silver [RS] wrote:'
RS Editing in HTML and sending Emails in HTML is expected in this
RS century.
This is sad. I'd have preferred if the same were being said about
rich text format.
RS Many people like html mail.
If this is so for everyday use and for average mail, then this is so
because they don't realize the problems with HTML mail. I liked it as
well, then decided not to use it when I realized the problems with it,
but was however neutral. Now, I'm just plain against it.
My philosophy now is. If you wish to send rich text, then send it as
an attachment. E-mail needs a format to support rich text and that's
widely supported. However, HTML is just not the answer.
RS This why the smartest setting on Email is both html and text
RS outbound and if you never want to see HTML just set your receive
RS mode to accept only the text part of an html email or bounce the
RS message, however, do not deprive other users from HTML mail which
RS still has its place.
Well, TB! will display a plain text version even if the sender doesn't
send one. I still have problems with it. Not to mention the amazing
increase in mail transmission bandwidth when routinely sending
messages dual formatted.
I currently read my mail using a black background and a light grey
font. It's more soothing to my eyes. Makes me able to read a lot more
mail without getting tired.
There's this particular list that I'm subscribed to where a lot of
HTML mail is posted.
When I switch to reading the HTML version of a lot of the posts on
that list, I have to read using the senders background colour. Most
are white. Others are light blue. Others are red...yellow. etc. The
font sizes, colours and face also vary from message to message. They
may even vary within the same message. They're often set at a size
that's too small for my display, so I have difficulty reading them. It
doesn't take long before I get frustrated having to readjust my eyes
for each messages style or frustrated because it's literally difficult
to read the tiny text on my screen that may very well be of adequate
size on the senders screen.
I therefore have to switch to reading them in plain text.
Unfortunately, this isn't without problems since the plain text
versions leave out the colouring or the font face change or other HTML
type decorations to indicate what's a quote from what's not.
IOW's, it's chaos there in terms of formatting. However, the
information is good, so I read it in plain text, thanks to TB!, and
tolerate the other problems. Not to mention over-quoting. OE based
HTML messages also encourage embedding of images in posts. It's just
lovely when someone replies to a post containing five or so embedded
images, and proceeds to top-post the reply and quoting the entire
messages, images and all below. All out of ignorance, I'm sure. I
doubt anyone will convince me that this is done with prior
*knowledge*. Plain text would avoid that outright.
So, you may say, one cannot outlaw something because it's abused by
others. My question is, how is the basic user not to 'abuse' it when
it's easily capable of the things that create so many problems for
others? In fact, what it's capable of looks so darned good on their
monitor screens. They genuinely think their reader will always
appreciate this at their end.
Having to endure this list and see what HTML mail can do in the hands
of those who don't know when and how to use it, and aren't aware of the
difficulties it can create for the readers of their messages, I am
forced to now jump on the bandwagon of voices that speak against it on
absolute terms. I used to be neutral in that I just don't use it
personally, but no longer am. I now think it's a bad thing. :(
A browser is designed to render and read HTML. I can configure font
sizes in pages that I view when I read web pages. I can magnify the
page using Opera. I don't have these tools in an e-mail client.
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Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Allie, IOW's, if you do X, a bad thing happens. If you do not do X, a bad thing happens anyway. So you're in a dilemna. Clear as sparkling water. Thanks :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Richard, Catch 22 is an absurd situation from which one can never win. You mean Catch-22 means marriage? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
Ritlabs seems to have an HTML editor in their list of features to
definitely support at some point. For this reason, I didn't wish to
comment on this thread. However, I find the pro-HTML arguments to be
quite disturbing to the point where I can no longer maintain my
silence. :) I therefore just *have to* jump in.
MAU Of course! Nobody should be forced to use a feature he doesn't
MAU want to use.
This is *exactly*, and I stress *exactly*, the point that I push. We
should always strive for this. This should be strived for in the
context of both formatting your own mail and also reading mail.
Of course, it's only in a few situations that you'll have everyone
pleased, so you'll just have to do what will likely please most of
your audience. If you're just corresponding with one individual and
you know what they want, then no problem.
Why push a format that so easily and trivially takes away the readers
*choice* of background colour and font sizes?? Until clients
incorporate ways to control this at the readers end, I cannot support
HTML use in e-mail.
MAU I wouldn't use TB if I was forced to use PGP, but it is good the
MAU option is there for those who want or need to use it.
Yes. If I use it, my text is just as readable as if I didn't. I don't
cripple you, as a reader of my message, in any way.
MAU And I don't complain if the developers devote time to debugging
MAU or improving the PGP features.
Sure.
My problem isn't one of incorporating features that don't interest me.
You're making it out to be this, and I don't think those who have
commented negatively about HTML are against it simply because it
doesn't interest them. You can't simply compare it to another language
as you did in another message ... Spanish vs English.
I'm commenting against it because there are problems with it. It
creates a lot of problems for others. Problems that I myself
experience daily and have explained in another message. Problems that
the very sender isn't aware of in the majority of circumstances in
which it occurs.
The only HTML mail I can reliably read with comfort are from those who
know how to compose it, i.e., HTML newsletters and such. Though I
still have problems with some. I then open them in my browser. The
HTML format does improve on the presentation of a newsletter or
similar document. I'd have just as quickly accepted it as an HTML
attachment anyway.
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Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 at 14:01:48[GMT +0100](which was 13:01 where I live) you wrote: You mean Catch-22 means marriage? ;-) Nice one :-) However I've been divorced and single for 15 years now so I got out of it (not telling why though!) -- Best regards, Richard | Using The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/4 | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 | and using the best browser: Opera. Don't talk unless you can improve the silence Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: I want to clarify I few things here
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 7:37:09 AM, you wrote: VBG and not do that is like saying a car with no heater in the VBG dead of winter on a 24hr trip is not really necessary VBG because the cars only purpose is to get you from a to z VBG (and it is!). Look out, here come the automobile analogy police to arrest you smile VBG But you would probably drop dead of the freeze *if* such a VBG convenience didn't exist... I don't hear much argument VBG about that... Wouldn't bother us much here in South Florida. Even in our current cold spell, down to 60 last night. double smile I think my point is about spending money for a replacement for something that is already built in to the operating system, or comes with it free. What made me spend hard earned money for the bat? Configurability and the ease of avoiding html and it's evils (not it's eye candy). I also bought Eudora before that and used Pegasus for a while (now that is a well priced program). -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
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Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG [..] I would love to see more HTML support in the near future. A
VBG built in RTF editor so I can at least bold some headings and make
VBG italic others I feel need to be emphasized.
I'd certainly support this if it could be supported in a way that
doesn't take away my ability to read you message in the font size and
type I want to, and with the background colour I want to. I'm all for
emboldening, underlining and italicizing, using different font sizes
within the text etc. However, not at the expense of the loss of
control of what font size and face I read with. HTML simply doesn't
offer this across the board.
VBG I love The Bat! and theres no argument about its current status
VBG and my point to this whole thread and *every* community member is
VBG if you see something *you don't* like, no matter how much you
VBG don't like it leave it be...
If I didn't have so much problems with reading HTML mail then I'd
certainly leave it be. I have left the newsreader integration since I
can leave it be if I'm not interested in it. However, I cannot prevent
senders sending me HTML mail all the time.
VBG I can almost bet my life that if HTML, RTF and a news group
VBG reader was introduced this bat list would be flooded with new
VBG members and the RitLabs team would have more money to develop The
VBG Bat! further and faster than before which should be a good thing
VBG right?
I think you're right on this and it's sad that this is so. I really
wish some other format to do what you wish had been popularized.
However, HTML was popularized out of convenience rather than it really
being appropriate. It's really a pity. So if an inappropriate
alternative format has prevailed to date, we should support its use,
right? :) I don't think so. It's not too late to change.
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Re: Still Running Slow
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:37 AM, you wrote: MD Defragged the disk. MD Re-installed Win2k SP2 and security updates. MD Re-installed ZoneAlarm (firewall). MD Re-installed Trend Micro (virus scanner). MD Re-installed The Bat. MD Removed ALL the files and am using just the Inbox. MD Mail still downloads at normal speed for my line, but there is a MD noticeable delay at Importing Mail. There are no filters, and I MD removed all the files I could, forcing a new install. I switched from TPF to Kerio firewall, because Kerio is supported and continues to grow. I dumped Zonestuff long ago, it always caused problems with my system. check the archives, there are MANY MANY messages about the problems with Zone alarm TB. don't wait, dump it! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello William, On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:59 AM, you wrote: ... MB I just don't belong here W Rubbish. I really was feeling very out of place. :) W You use TB! You want to learn how to use it for *your* purposes. You W sometimes need help to do this. You belong here. Well, I pretty well thrashed this out with Allie last night, and his superior logic convinced me. W QED. As does yours. :) It was nice, after a good night's sleep, to find you on my machine this morning. And I don't even know what QED stands for, except that it signifies a point has been demonstrated beyond doubt. :) Whoops, don't anyone even begin to enlighten me on that! Or else, do it on tbot. I fear I have headed OT again. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:19 AM, you wrote: MAU Hello Anne, If it was standalone one then I'd have no problems with it. I wouldn't want to see a newsreader/mail client combo though. MAU Why are some of you somewhat afraid of a newsreader/mail client MAU combo? It could be (should be) quite transparent to you if you just MAU want to use it for e-mail. I'm not afraid of anything, I just like my applications to be fast and versatile. TB is, but if it starts adding TOO much... back to the BLOATware of OE. MAU As I envision it, the difference would sure glad we each have our own opinion G MAU (could) be that when you want to create a new account you are given MAU the option to create a mail or a news account. If you create a mail one MAU you have to configure the POP and SMTP servers, etc., and if a news MAU one the news server. What a big deal! Just like now when creating a MAU news folder we have the option to create a normal folder in the MAU selected account or a global folder. Outlook does this and I never liked the newsreader part of outlook, never used it. Besides the fact that Outlook actually called Outlook EXPRESS ( another app) to do newsreading, it was not a good newsreader! Agent was much better for text groups, and Newsrover and NewsbinPro are better for binary groups. I don't want to combine all that into one app. I don't normally DO email and newsgroups at the same time, so why should I ask for a client that does it all? I understand that it would be nice to do newsreading email all at once, no problem, make it happen! Like you said, if I don't add the news server account, then I just don't use that feature, but others can, I LOVE IT! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 8:04 AM, you wrote: AM The only HTML mail I can reliably read with comfort are from those who AM know how to compose it, i.e., HTML newsletters and such. Though I AM still have problems with some. I then open them in my browser. The AM HTML format does improve on the presentation of a newsletter or AM similar document. I'd have just as quickly accepted it as an HTML AM attachment anyway. actually, I'm having a problem in TB with html attachments. when I get a message with a message.htm in the left pane, I click on it, and get a dialog box that says: File extension is htm SNIP do you want to save the file to disk instead of opening it? I say NO and get another error message dialog box that says: the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for viruses. I click OK, and the email message comes back to me, but the html attachment doesn't open. I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32 (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. I am using AVG, and I don't remember why I added the NOD32 plugin. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
On 18 January 2003, 12:37, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: The Xs give me a fuzzy feeling too but doesn't necessarily mean X out everything... I should be able to allow viewing HTML in its entirety or be able to choose who can send me HTML formatted mail at least... ~~~ Those [X]'s only appear when the image isn't sent with the message. I don't care if the download is only 2 bytes, the link can be coded to allow the sender to verify your address, which can then become a saleable resource on spam lists. It also allows the sender to verify that you're accessible on-line, and thus a suitable target for a trojan or two. Immunity from such exploits was a major factor in persuading me to part with the cost of business licenses for all users at my site. While I wouldn't abandon TB, I wouldn't upgrade to v2 if it downloaded off-page resources by default. FWIW, you can choose to view HTML in its entirety -- just open the message.htm icon. However, you cannot choose who can send you HTML formatted mail -- if they send it, you must download the whole thing, garbage and all, or delete it from the server after viewing only the header. WRT your likening HTML mail to the heater of a car: The heater on a car (at least, a conventional one that forms part of the cooling system) uses no additional resources. Contrast that with HTML mail, which takes up over the twice my bandwidth and storage than plain text requires. Having said that, I have no objection to TB growing an ability to write HTML mail provided that it does not become the default. Cheers, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Daddy, what does Formatting Drive C: mean? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
Hello Jeanny, On January 17, 2003, 23:21, you wrote: JH Is it possible to automatically strip the HTML files from those JH messages that come with HTML? I'm really only interested in plain JH text, so I end up manually deleting them all the time. I figure that JH this program does everything else, so it must be able to do this. JH Thanks, JH Jeanny Yes, but you have to copy/paste into a separate editor. http://www.notab.com is a free editor and in the menu MODIFY | STRIP HTML COMMANDS does exactly what you are looking for. BTW this editor does a lot more than that. -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
Hello Robert, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:12:56 AM, you wrote: Editing in HTML and sending Emails in HTML is expected in this century. Knowing the programming language, Delphi, that RitLabs is using, I know for a fact that for them to incorporate an HTML editor, they would almost have to do it from scratch, and that's a lot of work to support most of the features of HTML. There's one component that I know of the can be used in the programming language, but the message has to be exported as HTML before it can be sent. And, if my memory serves me well, that means saving the HTML file to disk and then reloading it to be able to send it. I would like to have rich text support, because in some cases I would be able to change the color of a word or put it bold to attract attention to it. And, Delphi natively does have a component for rich text support. And, I would like to be able to select between the three(text, rich text and HTML) which one I would like to use to compose e-mail messages, since in might mean 2 or 3 editors in their code. Take a look at HotMetal which embeds explorer code. I think something like that can be done and give you the control while using a dll interface from the browser vendor to more quickly render the web page clearly and securely. Again these features should be configurable Actually Delphi does have a component that hooks with the core of Internet Explorer 4 and up. I do prefer the way that HTML is displayed now in The Bat!, but it is quite easy to implement Delphi's web browser component in a way that if you click on a link that an external browser pops up. RitLabs is probably using another HTML viewer component or created their own with the limitation of not showing what is coming from external sources. Here too, I would prefer to be able to choose which viewer I want to use. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.accramed.ca) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Miguel, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:14:40 +0100 GMT (18/01/03, 02:14 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: But Thai is not _plain_ text, it is a _very complicated_ text ;-) LOL! But that is technically not true (from a computer POV), and on top of that it is not that complicated. Unless, of course, you cannot read it, in which case English would also be complicated. ;-) f'up2tbot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Dort wo jetzt die Truemmer ragen, standen einst stolze Burgfraeuleins und warteten auf ihre ausgezogenen Ritter. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Miguel, On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:41 AM, you wrote: MB ... we need a different TB! list for beginners and newbies. M Disagree. If only beginners and newbies use the list, who's going to M answer the questions? Then, if those considered experts and willing M to help have to join the newbies list, wouldn't that be a duplication M of TBUDL? ... It would. M And also, how long is a piece of string? (What is a newbie's M question?). You know my argument, we were all newbies some time. So M please, don't be shy and and jump into any thread ... Allie's long and patient public exchange with me on this last night did convince me that this is the place to ask my questions. So you are still likely to be subjected to some really ignorant ones--interrupting the flow of discussion between techie-types (don't really mean to be labeling you, just can't think of a good way to approximate what I want to say)--from time to time. :) M ... and ask a_n_y_t_h_i_n_g you don't understand. Please! So I will! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Allister, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:55:59 +1300 GMT (18/01/03, 03:55 +0700 GMT), Allister Jenks wrote: There should be an internet license for newbies! I advocated for this before, but it didn't work out. They should all start with a 14.4k modem (preferably 1.2k or slower) and have scripted UUCP connections. My first modem had 360 baud... or wait, I think that was an acoustic coupler. ;-) What I advocate for now is that Computing should be made compulsory at school, maybe in early junior high. But let's take this to TBOT. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Carsten, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:23:27 +0100 GMT (18/01/03, 03:23 +0700 GMT), Carsten Thönges wrote: I don't see a contradiction. Between a HTML editor and IMAP support? No, between developing an HTML editor and developing IMAP support. And the mnemo is NAK. ;-) Both NACK and NAK is correct. And you know that. When I still used mnemos, they were all three letters long. But maybe that was changed later, so you may be right. And no, I don't know that. Unfortunately TB! also isn't ideal for offices or small companies. a) no IMAP b) client/server mode is too buggy. And these are facts. Depends. I used TB in my last office (and it was ideal) and I would have moved all 45 staff in my department to TB if it had appropriate Chinese-language support. We didn't use IMAP (but POP) nor TB's client/server mode (but an Exchange server). But of course, it depends on your setup, so you are not completely wrong. As long as the HTML-editor is optional, the additional bloat is justifiable from a marketing point of view. The features I miss in TB! I found in another software. I am not alone. And no, it wasn't the missing HTML editor ;-) Yeah, well. I didn't see the marketing reasearch data, but apparently, the HTML editor is a big issue. I trust Stefan on this. Yes, but competitors don't sleep ;-) That's why. ;-) Why what? That's why development will include an HTML editor. What has happened in the last months? Development wasn't very, ehm, rapid. There have been 5 betas out in the last couple days?weeks? and I don't call that slow. And based on release versions, I would still say that TB development is still on the rapid side of the industry. Actually I like TB!... We do have something in common. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A fool and his money are soon partying. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Miguel, On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:50 AM, you wrote: MB It's like a Catch-22. M What is a Catch-22? I'm asking seriously, because I don't know what it M means. In the context of a newbie not knowing when or how to ask a question, it means durned if you do, and durned if you don't! The reference is to Joseph Heller, who wrote a novel by that title. I went to Google--here's one link: http://www.webster.edu/~barrettb/heller.htm It's famous in the context of human rights, at least here in my country. -- Best regards, Mary I heartily disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. --attributed to Voltaire (Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, p. 418a) The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Allie, Why push a format that so easily and trivially takes away the readers *choice* of background colour and font sizes?? Until clients incorporate ways to control this at the readers end, I cannot support HTML use in e-mail. Do you have any choice if I send you a letter by snail mail on my company's letterhead? That's is exactly what some companies I correspond with do with HTML e-mail. They have designed a letterhead every employee if forced to use for business e-mail You can't simply compare it to another language as you did in another message ... Spanish vs English. It was just a way of trying to explain it to Mary. I should have chosen a better example. What if TB editor only supported message encoding in Latin-1 and not in Thai, Cyrillic, Greek and others? The only HTML mail I can reliably read with comfort are from those who know how to compose it, i.e., HTML newsletters and such. Same with plain text. Not everybody uses a rich vocabulary, correct grammar and punctuation, etc., etc. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Thomas, f'up2tbot. I'm not on TBOT. :-( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FW: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to editHTMLdocuments
Hello Kenneth, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:50:22 -0500 GMT (18/01/03, 13:50 +0700 GMT), Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: Here is an option. Perhaps RTL can introduced 2.0 with multiple options, This has already been confirmed. You will be able to use your editor of choice, including an HTML editor. The latter will not be a part of the code, so there will be no bloat. I myself will stick to plain text, though. and if some people are not happy with that, they can keep using 1.xx without upgrading. This will also be possible. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I bought a portable cable tv. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Miguel, On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:01 AM, you wrote: MB ... I had just acknowledged Jonathan on TBOT and thought it was MB only right to reply to Miguel, who was writing to me on TBUDL. M Maybe also because I'm not on TBOT :) Well, I *have* been paying attention to what you write to the List. I knew you were not on TBOT, so I couldn't answer you both in one go. And--why aren't you? It's absolutely full of posts with graphics and colored backgrounds! TBUDL is really not for exchanges like we are having now. :) I hear another big trout swimming this direction. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Still Running Slow
Hello Lars, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:48:30 AM, you wrote: LG Dump ZoneAlarm. You will find a billion mails about the problems between LG ZoneAlarm and TB in the archives. Well, there is one minor problem. ZoneAlarm is mandated by corporate and this is their machine. LG If you *really* need a personal firewall, then I'd kindly suggest one LG which doesn't mess up your whole system. Kerio is quite good in that LG respect although others may think differently about that. I may look into the one that comes with Trend Micro, but those are really my only two choices. I have run a test without the firewall this morning after yet another clean install, and it seems to run like it used to. I also have not added anything but SP2 to Win2K. May have been one of MS's alleged security fixes. Thanks for your help! -- Best regards, Michael Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Miguel, On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 6:13 AM, you wrote: MB I just don't belong here, ... M You are a TB user, aren't you? Then you belong here as much as any M other TB user (guru or newbie) does. Period. ... As I wrote to you earlier, Allie convinced me of this last night, in his long, patient exchange with me. I totally conceded his logic to him--I have learned so much here, and from the very tech-speakers I was earlier complaining about. :) M ... Nobody is forced to follow all threads and read all messages. M There are filters (once you have learned how to use them) and M everybody knows how to use the Delete key (Please ask if you don't M :). Well ... there are the bored newbies to consider, and the fellow subscribers who are paying by the second for their downloads. But in general, yes, you are right. :) MB I'm not unsubscribing just yet. M Please don't! You hear me?!? I hear you loud and clear, Miguel. And it is a joy to listen! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Still Running Slow
Hello Lars, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 7:48:30 AM, you wrote: Hi Michael, On Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 05:37:32 [GMT -0600], you wrote: Dump ZoneAlarm. You will find a billion mails about the problems between ZoneAlarm and TB in the archives. If you *really* need a personal firewall, then I'd kindly suggest one which doesn't mess up your whole system. Kerio is quite good in that respect although others may think differently about that. I think that if the messages downloaded at a normal speed and that it's in the importing mails process, then Zone Alarm has nothing to do with the slowness of The Bat!, since the message has already crossed the firewall. Although the only way to make sure that Zone Alarm is not the problem, is if the problem persists with Zone Alarm being shutdown. If the problem still persists, then I would suggest looking at the virus scanner's settings to make sure that it's not scanning the files of TB. Because, that could slow the process down. I'm using Zone Alarm with Mail Safe on and everything works fine, but that's with the latest version of Zone Alarm(3.5.169.002). When we had the previous version of Zone Alarm on the servers, one of our servers was slowing down for no apparent reason(and no e-mail client and e-mail server resides on that system). And, when we upgraded ZA on that server, it's running normally since then. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FTP
* Frank Lusardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, as I wrote earlier, replying to another response to my question, all the people who are wanting to use e-mail to transfer files--and clutter up The Bat! with an HTML text editor--could just transfer them using FTP. Excellent solution! :) Alas, no. Say you want to transfer a file to me, using FTP. Either you would have to allow me to connect directly to your computer, or I would have to let you connect to mine. This would be a _big_ security problem, and possibly impossible, depending upon how you are connected to the internet. Yes. And standard FTP doesn't encrypt passwords. IMHO FTP is not an option. Dropping the file into an email allows me to transfer it to you without you and I making any direct connections. Would that things were simpler! :( The problem is that base64 encoding wastes a lot of bandwith. You could use SAFT instead: http://www.belwue.de/projekte/saft/index-us.html -- Beste Grüße, Carsten Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Anne, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 05:31:40 + GMT (18/01/03, 12:31 +0700 GMT), Anne wrote: This was exactly my point when I first landed up here and wondered if I was still on the same planet as you all! Let's find out. I myself am located in the galaxy of Alpha Centauri, solar system Gamma 7, ninth planet. Where are you? Please though, do remember that not everyone understands all the technicalities that you talk about. In some cases, not even the ones who talk about it understand it! ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
Hello Jeanny, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:21:28 -0600 GMT (18/01/03, 11:21 +0700 GMT), Jeanny House wrote: Is it possible to automatically strip the HTML files from those messages that come with HTML? No, it isn't. You can choose not to display the message in HTML, but that's about it. I always have to manually manually delete the HTML attachment when I receive messages in HTML (my mother uses AOL 6.0 for everyday use, TB only for occasions on which she needs to receive attachments or, especially, multiple attachments). Please do not hesitate to add your wish about the abaility to strip HTML attachments to the wish list. It has been requested before, but has not been implemented yet. Technically, there is a difference. Some HTML messages are text/alternative, so they are sent twice, once as plain text and once as HTML. Other are text/html, so there is no plain text part. TB just makes it up when displaying the message. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A day without sunshine is like, night. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
Hello Michael, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:47:19 -0600 GMT (18/01/03, 21:47 +0700 GMT), Michael Disabato wrote: LG Dump ZoneAlarm. You will find a billion mails about the problems between LG ZoneAlarm and TB in the archives. Well, there is one minor problem. ZoneAlarm is mandated by corporate and this is their machine. Ask Corporate to educate the people involved in system administration so they become fit for their job. LG If you *really* need a personal firewall, then I'd kindly suggest one LG which doesn't mess up your whole system. Kerio is quite good in that LG respect although others may think differently about that. I may look into the one that comes with Trend Micro, but those are really my only two choices. I still use PC-Cillin (by Trend Micro). While considering other AV solutions, ZA is not on my list: PCC is still better. Go for it (or ask on TBOT). :-) I have run a test without the firewall this morning after yet another clean install, and it seems to run like it used to. You mean without delays? Then ZA appears to be the culprit. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1, does yours? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Paul, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:58:31 -0500 GMT (18/01/03, 20:58 +0700 GMT), Paul Cartwright wrote: actually, I'm having a problem in TB with html attachments. when I get a message with a message.htm in the left pane, I click on it, and get a dialog box that says: File extension is htm SNIP do you want to save the file to disk instead of opening it? I say NO and get another error message dialog box that says: the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for viruses. This may be a beta problem. Please report on the beta list. I click OK, and the email message comes back to me, but the html attachment doesn't open. It always opens here, but I am using another beta version than you. I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32 (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. I am using AVG, and I don't remember why I added the NOD32 plugin. LOL! This just may be the problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Money can't buy happiness but it can certainly rent it for a couple of hours. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
Hi Daniel, On Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 11:01:42 [GMT -0400], you wrote: If you *really* need a personal firewall, then I'd kindly suggest one which doesn't mess up your whole system. Kerio is quite good in that respect although others may think differently about that. DR I think that if the messages downloaded at a normal speed and that DR it's in the importing mails process, then Zone Alarm has nothing to DR do with the slowness of The Bat!, since the message has already DR crossed the firewall. One should think so, but with ZoneAlarm, I wouldn't be too sure about that. IIRC, there was a case were a slowness like the one originally described *was* caused by ZoneAlarm. DR Although the only way to make sure that Zone Alarm is not the DR problem, is if the problem persists with Zone Alarm being shutdown. DR If the problem still persists, then I would suggest looking at the DR virus scanner's settings to make sure that it's not scanning the DR files of TB. Because, that could slow the process down. Only disabling ZA doesn't help, if ZA is going loose, only uninstalling can cure a system, disabling ZA will do nothing. DR I'm using Zone Alarm with Mail Safe on and everything works fine, DR but that's with the latest version of Zone Alarm(3.5.169.002). When DR we had the previous version of Zone Alarm on the servers, one of our DR servers was slowing down for no apparent reason(and no e-mail client DR and e-mail server resides on that system). And, when we upgraded ZA DR on that server, it's running normally since then. Well, I had the same position like you over a year ago. Maybe ZoneAlarm works for you. But there are countless examples where ZoneAlarm caused nothing but trouble. Apart from that, a personal firewall is useless from a security POV (this is my personal opinion and anyone who wants to start a discussion about that, please feel free to contact me in PM). -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unable to read some HTML messages.
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Paul Cartwright [PC] wrote:'
I decided to make this message not thread with yours since it's a
different, though related issue that aught not to be lost in the 'HTML
mail or not' debate.
PC actually, I'm having a problem in TB with html attachments. when I
PC get a message with a message.htm in the left pane, I click on it,
PC and get a dialog box that says: File extension is htm SNIP do
PC you want to save the file to disk instead of opening it?
Yes.
You can prevent this by adding the .htm and .html extensions to your
list of extensions to open without warning. This setup is in the
Options//Preferences dialog.
PC I say NO and get another error message dialog box that says:
PC the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for
PC viruses.
This is an anti-virus plug-in problem. You can temporarily prevent
this by disabling the plug-in option to check attachments before
opening them.
PC I click OK, and the email message comes back to me, but the html
PC attachment doesn't open. I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32
PC (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. I am using AVG, and I don't
PC remember why I added the NOD32 plugin.
Are you using the plug-ins for both anti-virus programs at the same
time? If so, then this could very well be your problem. Use only one
of them for plug-in purposes. The other thing is that if you have the
other doing real-time scanning then there could be a conflict with the
real-time scanner checking the file when it's being opened while the
plug-in is trying to do the same. Let only one scanner do one thing at
a time.
I have both DrWeb and NOD32 installed here. I use DrWeb's plug-in and
not NOD32's. I however use NOD32's real-time scanner and not DrWeb's.
:) I don't have the plug-in options to check attachments on opening or
saving them enabled, since NOD32's real-time scanner already does this
and I don't wish to cause a conflict. These conflicts can lead to
errors, system instability, and even BSOD's.
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Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:10:36 -0600 GMT (18/01/03, 02:10 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: It is technically possible to filter on that, very much like an HTML attachment is now shown as such in the attachment pane. Currently it is not possible to filter on attachment extensions, but I believe it is in the wishlist. I'm confused... are you saying you can filter on an attachment header? Technically, yes. Enlighten me... I'd love to know... honest. :) OK. Let's assume the header says text/alternative. The alternative (below the boundary) has some file ending on .html. The viewer knows this is to be displayed as an attachment, and does a good job. Now, neither the filters not the search function in TB look at the lower headers (the technical information contained just below the boundary). It would technically ot be a problem to make TB look there. Now, please CMIIW. The situation with messages sent in text/html is different. TB renders a plaint text version for display, but due to a philosophy I don't agree with g won't save that plain text version. But technically, it would still be possible. You say that it will slow the system down. I say that *if* you want to use such a filter, you will have to accept a slow-down of a few nano-seconds. If you don't want that, don't use such a filter. ;-) This is true I guess, but it wouldn't be a few nano-seconds for large attached emails. I get some in the range of 90-200meg sometimes, and even just selecting and opening them can take some time. Yes, that is true. I myself would send a non-ambiguous message to the sender of an an email with such an attachment (as I do with anybody who sends me attachments larger than 400K - increased from 100K a few years ago), but your requirements may differ. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I'm not rushing into being in love. I'm finding fourth grade hard enough. (Regina, 10) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:35:24 +0100 GMT (18/01/03, 21:35 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: f'up2tbot. I'm not on TBOT. :-( Your loss! ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Der Angeklagte unterhielt mit mir bis zum 7. Monat einen intimen Kontakt und fuhr dann zu einer anderen Arbeitsstelle. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spam tool?
Hello Marck, there is a sysad in Argentina (@abaconet.com.ar) who has blocked messages that contain the header X-Mailer: The Bat!. There used to be a standard message we can send to such under-educated sysads. I cannot find it on your web page. Kindly advise the direct URL. Thanks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Die Bewohner der Erde heisen Autos, ihre Sklaven haben zwei Beine und muessen fur sie arbeiten und sie pflegen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam tool?
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TF there is a sysad in Argentina (@abaconet.com.ar) who has blocked
TF messages that contain the header X-Mailer: The Bat!.
TF There used to be a standard message we can send to such
TF under-educated sysads. I cannot find it on your web page. Kindly
TF advise the direct URL. Thanks.
The official URL you're looking for is here:
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/spammer.html
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Re[3]: I want to clarify I few things here
Hello Victor, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 12:37:09 PM, you wrote: VBG Everyone might argue that e-mail is supposed to do this VBG and not do that is like saying a car with no heater in the VBG dead of winter on a 24hr trip is not really necessary VBG because the cars only purpose is to get you from a to z VBG (and it is!). VBG But you would probably drop dead of the freeze *if* such a VBG convenience didn't exist... I don't hear much argument VBG about that... risking the automobile analogy police All well and good but when you switch on your car heater you don't want the engine to cut out on you or the car to suddenly take a detour into an unsavoury part of town ??? taking things back on topic Sheesh, enough problem deciding what to write without thinking about what colour to put it in and whether there are some snazzy graphics to go with it ! I think I've said this before but if it wasn't for the security holes in HTML then this argument would never be raised - we'd all be using HTML by choice ( and in reply to Allie we'd also be better at it and not into choosing such garish colour schemes lol ) because that's all we would know. IMHO - HTML mail has it's place but it's not for me so hence my satisfaction with the way TB! does things. -- Best regards, Barry2 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I want to clarify I few things here
Hello Lou, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 12:29:02 PM, you wrote: LY It sounds to me like Outlook was designed for those who want a LY mail/newsgroup/browser program all in one. I think that hits the nail squarely on the head there ! The whole drive in the MicroSoft camp seems to be to incorporate everything you ever would want to do on a PC into one application. We can see the resultant mess that that has created to date lol The question is, do we want to become MicroSoft clones or do we want to have the freedom to do what *we* want when *we* want to do it ?? I know which I'd rather be doing but if folks feel happy as a clone then why stop them, it's a free decision to become a sheep after all !! LY I hate to see baggage added to TB to turn it into an Outlook LY Clone. Outlook is not allowed within 100 yards of any of my LY systems or the systems on the network that I administer. Ditto on both points ... -- Best regards, Barry2 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam tool?
Hello Allie, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:08:02 -0500 GMT (19/01/03, 00:08 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: The official URL you're looking for is here: http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/spammer.html Thanks. That was quick. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Travel is very educational. I can now say Kaopectate in seven different languages. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
Hello Barry2, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:02:17 + GMT (19/01/03, 00:02 +0700 GMT), Barry2 wrote: I think I've said this before but if it wasn't for the security holes in HTML then this argument would never be raised - we'd all be using HTML by choice No. ;-) ( and in reply to Allie we'd also be better at it and not into choosing such garish colour schemes lol ) because that's all we would know. That depends on how long you have been on the internet, and whether you have used only Windows mailers. I was surprised when my business contacts suddenly started use HTML when they really wanted to send email. They didn't enhance anything (colours, fonts), they just didn't know what they were sending, and I read the whole thing in early pine versions with all the HTML tages! ;-) IMHO - HTML mail has it's place Yes. In newsletters. But IMHO not in information exchanges or in discussions. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My wife and I were happy for twenty years then we met. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:30:12 AM,Miguel wrote: MAU Ever tried Second Copy 2000 from http://www.centered.com/ ? Thanks Miguel, no I hadn't tried this. It's been suggested elsewhere that the freeware program Replicator from Karenware.com may do this as well, so I shall check them both out and see which suits best. :-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello, On Friday, January 17, 2003, 17:44, Carsten wrote: CT TB! is no newsreader. Why don't you use a tool like Dialog[1] or Gnus? CT [1] http://www.40tude.com/dialog/ I've tried 40tude dialog and it blew me away! Good bye Forté Agent. Multiple languages support is amazing in that program. Full unicode support, it picks needed charset for you by analysing what characters are in the message. Perfect! I just wish The Bat! v2 (will it ever be?) would handle multiple languages as well as 40tude Dialog. -- Edvinas Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hi Miguel, on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:32:32 +0100GMT (18.01.03, 15:32 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Why push a format that so easily and trivially takes away the readers *choice* of background colour and font sizes?? Until clients incorporate ways to control this at the readers end, I cannot support HTML use in e-mail. MAU Do you have any choice if I send you a letter by snail mail on my MAU company's letterhead? No, I haven't. That's another advantage of e-mail over snail mail. *G* MAU That's is exactly what some companies I correspond with do with HTML MAU e-mail. They have designed a letterhead every employee if forced to MAU use for business e-mail We'll have to live with their ignorance of the difference between a screen and a piece of paper. Or teach them... ;-) -- Cheers Peter The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with. Marty Feldman Winamp currently playing: Electric Flag - Sunny Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
On Saturday, January 18, 2003 @ 4:37:09 AM [-0700], Victor B. Gonzalez wrote: I bet my life if an RTF editor was introduced to The Bat! you might say I'll never use it (yeah, right) but you will. You have too... plain text is robotic and you'll use the bold and italic command sooner or later... Its almost guaranteed... I'll take that bet...although not for your life. Let's make it a beer or something less fatal. I guarantee I will NEVER use rtf or html mail. That's just me. Make it feature of The Bat!? I have no problem with that. However, I still won't use it. I'm forced to use Outlook for work but use only plain text there as well. Just a personal preference... -- Matt Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Stripping HTML files
Hello Peter, The link you provided for the editor that will strip HTML, www.notab.com is under construction and the editor is not available there. Where can I find it? What is its name? - Al Jacobus Using TheBat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -- PK Hello Jeanny, PK On January 17, 2003, 23:21, you wrote: JH Is it possible to automatically strip the HTML files from those JH messages that come with HTML? I'm really only interested in plain JH text, so I end up manually deleting them all the time. I figure that JH this program does everything else, so it must be able to do this. JH Thanks, JH Jeanny PK Yes, but you have to copy/paste into a separate editor. PK http://www.notab.com is a free editor and in the menu MODIFY | STRIP PK HTML COMMANDS does exactly what you are looking for. PK BTW this editor does a lot more than that. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unable to read some HTML messages.
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 11:10 AM, you wrote: AM I decided to make this message not thread with yours since it's a AM different, though related issue that aught not to be lost in the 'HTML AM mail or not' debate. thanks, I almost missed the answer while reading 57 new messages quickly this morning:) PC actually, I'm having a problem in TB with html attachments. when I PC get a message with a message.htm in the left pane, I click on it, PC and get a dialog box that says: File extension is htm SNIP do PC you want to save the file to disk instead of opening it? AM Yes. I always click NO to save it. AM You can prevent this by adding the .htm and .html extensions to your AM list of extensions to open without warning. This setup is in the AM Options//Preferences dialog. thanks, that worked, that did it! PC I say NO and get another error message dialog box that says: PC the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for PC viruses. AM This is an anti-virus plug-in problem. You can temporarily prevent AM this by disabling the plug-in option to check attachments before AM opening them. hmm, not sure I want to do that with HTML, I don't think it is necessary to change that, since I added the open *.HTM to the file type menu. PC I click OK, and the email message comes back to me, but the html PC attachment doesn't open. I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32 PC (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. I am using AVG, and I don't PC remember why I added the NOD32 plugin. AM Are you using the plug-ins for both anti-virus programs at the same AM time? If so, then this could very well be your problem. Use only one AM of them for plug-in purposes. The other thing is that if you have the AM other doing real-time scanning then there could be a conflict with the AM real-time scanner checking the file when it's being opened while the AM plug-in is trying to do the same. Let only one scanner do one thing at AM a time. I deleted the NOD32 entry, left AVG. AM I have both DrWeb and NOD32 installed here. I use DrWeb's plug-in and AM not NOD32's. I however use NOD32's real-time scanner and not DrWeb's. AM :) I don't have the plug-in options to check attachments on opening or AM saving them enabled, since NOD32's real-time scanner already does this AM and I don't wish to cause a conflict. These conflicts can lead to AM errors, system instability, and even BSOD's. ok, I'm not sure I understand. In TB you can add plugins. I don't have NOD32 installed, I just had the plugin setup in TB. I am using AVG as my real time scanner ( I guess), it is my default anti-virus program that runs all the time and scans my system every night. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
* Lars Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apart from that, a personal firewall is useless from a security POV Correct. (this is my personal opinion [...] No, it is a fact. and anyone who wants to start a discussion about that, please feel free to contact me in PM). Or TBOT? -- Best regards, Carsten Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 9:47 AM, you wrote: LG Dump ZoneAlarm. You will find a billion mails about the problems between LG ZoneAlarm and TB in the archives. MD Well, there is one minor problem. ZoneAlarm is mandated by corporate MD and this is their machine. right, whatever corporate wants:). I'd install Kerio anyway, disable ( NOT uninstall) Zonelugs, and try it like that. I had LOTS of software on my corporate laptop that corporate didn't know about, but then again, I was the lab admin ;) LG If you *really* need a personal firewall, then I'd kindly suggest one LG which doesn't mess up your whole system. Kerio is quite good in that LG respect although others may think differently about that. MD I may look into the one that comes with Trend Micro, but those are MD really my only two choices. there are always choices, some you just have to read between the lines and GUES what they meant G MD I have run a test without the firewall this morning after yet another MD clean install, and it seems to run like it used to. I also have not MD added anything but SP2 to Win2K. May have been one of MS's alleged MD security fixes. somehow, we knew you would say that, but at least now you KNOW the answer. Tell that to corporate! MD Thanks for your help! always glad to help! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 10:58 AM, you wrote: I say NO and get another error message dialog box that says: the anti-virus has reported an error, the file cannot be checked for viruses. TF This may be a beta problem. Please report on the beta list. no, it was a screw loose between the ears problem:) I click OK, and the email message comes back to me, but the html attachment doesn't open. TF It always opens here, but I am using another beta version than you. not a beta issue, it was doing that with 1.62 I have 2 antivirus plugins, the NOD32 (test version 0.1) and AVG 10. I am using AVG, and I don't remember why I added the NOD32 plugin. TF LOL! This just may be the problem. thanks for the encouragement:) I changed the ( slightly new menu options) tools-preferences menu to load *.htm and *.html without asking. At least AVG will still be scanning, so security isn't compromized ( I don't think?). go away for a week and new beta series comes out, SHEESH!! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 1:58 PM, you wrote: AJ Hello Peter, AJ The link you provided for the editor that will strip HTML, AJ www.notab.com is under construction and the editor is not available AJ there. Where can I find it? What is its name? I think he might have meant notetab: http://www.notetab.com/download.htm download that here: http://www.notetab.com/ntl-dnld1.htm -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re address of my points regarding improvements for the Bat
Hello tbudl, I doubt anyone will complaint if the bat introduced the following improvements: Web page viewing Option Web Page Editing option NNTP USENET News Reader Option Component wise configuration backup and restore including Folder sorting filters auto responders etc.. Everything configurable and any additions to that configuration. Like what they have now only including filters and any configurable component with a replace or append option allowing just new filters to be added for example or replace what is there with what is being restored. As long as these are kept modular and part of a custom install everybody is happy. Those who only want plain text can have only plain text and need not check off the HTML support or varry the degree to old style of new style As components they only load if desired. At least The Bat author will have more popularity for his product. Seems to me he should be thinking about that a lot! -- Best regards, Robert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unable to read some HTML messages.
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Paul Cartwright [PC] wrote:'
PC hmm, not sure I want to do that with HTML,
Hmmm. If not, then how do you feel about browsing the internet? It's
the same html interpreter you're using. The same vulnerabilities
you're concerned about when opening the html attachment from your TB!
prevail when browsing web pages on the internet. The security settings
you enforce for your browser will work when opening HTML from e-mails.
Finally, if the plug-in detects a virus when opening a file, the AVG
system scanner will detect the virus as well and prevent the file
being opened. So if there's a conflict which is resolved by disabling
the checking of attachments when opening them, I see nothing more to
worry about. Your machine is no more secure with both enabled as
opposed to one.
The checking of attachments when opening and saving them to file are
really for those who don't run a system real-time scanner at the same
time.
PC I don't think it is necessary to change that, since I added the
PC open *.HTM to the file type menu.
So, are you saying your problem is now solved?
PC I deleted the NOD32 entry, left AVG.
How did this help. Did the errors disappear?
PC ok, I'm not sure I understand. In TB you can add plugins. I don't
PC have NOD32 installed, I just had the plugin setup in TB.
Having the NOD32 plugin installed, and NOD32 not installed on your
system could likely lead to errors. I can just imagine the plugin
trying to check an attachment and fails to find NOD32 on the system.
It therefore pops up a message that it's unable to check the
attachment and proceeds to prevent the opening of the unchecked
attachment. IMO, that's the right and safe thing to do.
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Is it possible to filter out Futuristic Email e.g with Creation datesmore than 2 days into the future??
Hello tbudl, Lately a lot of spam comes in with dates greater than today. Now a day I can see as there are 24 hrs but 2030 as a year indicates a desire to put their email on the top of the mail listing. Is there a way to filter these emails out?? -- Best regards, Robert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat (...)
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 15:35:24 GMT +0100 (1/18/2003, 8:35 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not on TBOT. :-( Why don't you join. It is free. Then you could really see the BS fly! :-) -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 12:19:53 GMT +0100 (1/18/2003, 5:19 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: What a big deal! It is either the fear of the unknown, or they relate to Outlook. I guess they never used VA. :-) -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love the Bat , but why can't the Bat allow me to edit HTMLdocuments or read my USENET news groups. Standard Email features
Hello Paul, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 08:44:03 GMT -0500 (1/18/2003, 7:44 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not afraid of anything, I just like my applications to be fast and versatile. TB is, but if it starts adding TOO much... back to the BLOATware of OE. Well I've used a client in the past called Virtual Access (VA). VA was not at all like OE which is bloatware. Very efficient, able to manage very large message DB, and very good at threading messages. In some ways better than TB. It threaded conversations (i.e. both send and receive messages) in the same folder. I stopped using it because it was no longer being developed. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re address of my points regarding improvements for the Bat
Saturday, 1/18/2003, 11:48 AM Hi Robert, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 14:15:00 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:15 AM where I live) you wrote about: 'Re address of my points regarding improvements for the Bat' RS I doubt anyone will complaint if the bat introduced the following RS improvements: RS Web page viewing Option RS Web Page Editing option RS NNTP USENET News Reader Option Except the people who have used The Bat! for a long time because it IS a plain text E-mail program. -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul Polaroid does it in one step. Powered by The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Still Running Slow
Hello Thomas, TF Ask Corporate to educate the people involved in system TF administration so they become fit for their job. I've been in this business over 30 years and am one of the people who selected Zone Alarm. I think I' fit for my job, thank you very much. TF You mean without delays? Then ZA appears to be the culprit. ZA is not installed on this system, and with a grand total of 262 message now loaded, the delay has come back. Any other suggestions? Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Still Running Slow
Hello Daniel, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 9:01:42 AM, you wrote: DR shutdown. If the problem still persists, then I would suggest looking DR at the virus scanner's settings to make sure that it's not scanning DR the files of TB. Because, that could slow the process down. If I select the root mail directory, do the folder directories inherit this, or do I need to select all of them independently? This is the suggestion that makes the most sense, since ZA is not on the system anymore, and it's starting to slow down with 300 messages. Thanks! Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
Hello Michael, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 08:47:19 GMT -0600 (1/18/2003, 8:47 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, there is one minor problem. ZoneAlarm is mandated by corporate and this is their machine. Well you may be between a rock and a hard place. I use to use ZAP 3.x on Win98. I purchased a new PC with WinXP Pro and installed ZAP 3.x. I not only had slow DL of email, but web pages as well. After switching to Kerio the problems went away. Only suggestions I can make are the following. 1) Software versions or upgrades should be installed in the chronological sequence they were released. For example don't install FP2k after Visual Studio.Net. I would say the same applies to patches. I had problems with WinXP seeing drives and directories under My Computer. I narrowed the problem down to either a conflict between HP ScanJet and other installed software, or most likely the order of my installs. Now everything is working fine. 2) If forced to use ZAP, disable the email attachment option. IIRC ZAP will rename the file extension of certain types of files. HTH -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
Hello Thomas, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 22:14:07 GMT +0700 (1/18/2003, 9:14 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Technically, there is a difference. Some HTML messages are text/alternative, so they are sent twice, once as plain text and once as HTML. Other are text/html, so there is no plain text part. TB just makes it up when displaying the message. Apparently I was wrong in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. If you delete the message.htm file from the HTML email, it reverts to a text message. If I understand you correctly, you can NOT save the message.htm file separately. Is this correct? If it is not correct, then would saving the message.htm file separately force the email to be received as a text message. I don't know because I've never tried it, so thought I'd ask. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 08:14:34 GMT -0600 (1/18/2003, 8:14 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Allie's long and patient public exchange with me on this last night did convince me that this is the place to ask my questions. So you are still likely to be subjected to some really ignorant ones No question is stupid. It is only stupid not to ask. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unable to read some HTML messages.
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:21 PM, you wrote: PC hmm, not sure I want to do that with HTML, AM Hmmm. If not, then how do you feel about browsing the internet? It's AM the same html interpreter you're using. The same vulnerabilities AM you're concerned about when opening the html attachment from your TB! AM prevail when browsing web pages on the internet. The security settings AM you enforce for your browser will work when opening HTML from AM e-mails. good point, I forgot about the browsers security settings (or lack of:) AM The checking of attachments when opening and saving them to file are AM really for those who don't run a system real-time scanner at the same AM time. PC I don't think it is necessary to change that, since I added the PC open *.HTM to the file type menu. AM So, are you saying your problem is now solved? YES!! I was able to open that htm attachment! it was actually already in the right-hand pane where it said message.htm PC I deleted the NOD32 entry, left AVG. AM How did this help. Did the errors disappear? no, but I feel better now? not sure why I had the NOD32 plug-in installed. PC ok, I'm not sure I understand. In TB you can add plugins. I don't PC have NOD32 installed, I just had the plugin setup in TB. AM Having the NOD32 plugin installed, and NOD32 not installed on your AM system could likely lead to errors. I can just imagine the plugin AM trying to check an attachment and fails to find NOD32 on the system. AM It therefore pops up a message that it's unable to check the AM attachment and proceeds to prevent the opening of the unchecked AM attachment. IMO, that's the right and safe thing to do. well, I never got an error message like that, just wouldn't open an HTM message without giving me the virus error message. Now it's beginning to BUG me, i really can't remember why I added the NOD32 plugin, I'm SURE I must have thought I somehow had a valid reason to add a second virus plugin... oh well , I guess it doesn't matter! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 2:55 PM, you wrote: TF You mean without delays? Then ZA appears to be the culprit. MD ZA is not installed on this system, and with a grand total of 262 MD message now loaded, the delay has come back. Any other suggestions? how about file indexing, did you turn that off?? -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TBUDL - this very list
Hello Mary, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 07:41:07 GMT -0600 (1/18/2003, 7:41 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: W QED. As does yours. :) It was nice, after a good night's sleep, to find you on my machine this morning. And I don't even know what QED stands for, except that it signifies a point has been demonstrated beyond doubt. When you need to find the meaning to a certain acronym, I think you will find this a helpful link. http://www.acronymfinder.com/ -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
Hi Greg, on Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:40:19 -0600GMT (18.01.03, 21:40 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GS If I understand you correctly, you can NOT save the message.htm file GS separately. Is this correct? I don't think so. Right click the attachment icon and save as... GS If it is not correct, then would saving the message.htm file separately GS force the email to be received as a text message. I don't know because GS I've never tried it, so thought I'd ask. I haven't tried neither, but my logic would be that it would remain there as The HTML part wasn't cut, but just copied and saved. It will still have to be deleted from TB!'s message base. -- Cheers Peter Tagline of the day: while( !asleep() ) sheep++; Winamp currently playing: Underworld - Born Slippy.mp3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Still Running Slow
Hello Michael, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 3:58:23 PM, you wrote: DR shutdown. If the problem still persists, then I would suggest looking DR at the virus scanner's settings to make sure that it's not scanning DR the files of TB. Because, that could slow the process down. If I select the root mail directory, do the folder directories inherit this, or do I need to select all of them independently? I know with McAfee I can tell it to exclude all the subfolders as well. But, I can also exclude files with a certain extension. I'm sure that there's a way to configure your virus scanner like that. There must be something in the help. This is the suggestion that makes the most sense, since ZA is not on the system anymore, and it's starting to slow down with 300 messages. When I try to find the problem on a system, I go by process of elimination. And, by you not installing ZA and still getting the problem, then you know ZA is not the source of your problem(but for some on this list it was). Then you have to move on to the next step. If it's possible, disable the virus scanner to see if the problem still persists. If the problem still exists, then there's a good chance that it's a configuration in Windows. Hope you find out what is slowing down TB. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.accramed.ca) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
Hello Peter, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 22:03:54 GMT +0100 (1/18/2003, 3:03 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GS If I understand you correctly, you can NOT save the message.htm file GS separately. Is this correct? I don't think so. Right click the attachment icon and save as... I ask the question in the context of Jeanny's original question. Per [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to automatically strip the HTML files from those messages that come with HTML? I think she want this done automatically on receipt of the message. She does NOT want to do it manually. In my original response to Jeanny per [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I showed how to store file in a directory which I believe is done automatically on receipt. I am not sure, since I do not separate attachments for the ability to move the message base. GS If it is not correct, then would saving the message.htm file separately GS force the email to be received as a text message. I don't know because GS I've never tried it, so thought I'd ask. I haven't tried neither, but my logic would be that it would remain there as The HTML part wasn't cut, but just copied and saved. It will still have to be deleted from TB!'s message base. You seem to agree with me here which contra to my perception of Thomas's response per [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I believe all HTML message have the message.htm file, so having them all stored separately may cause a problem with the text message since they would overlay each other in the same directory. I don't know the answer, but was trying to help Jeanny and learn in the process. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is it possible to filter out Futuristic Email e.g with Creationdates more than 2 days into the future??
Hello Robert, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 3:17:59 PM, you wrote: Hello tbudl, Lately a lot of spam comes in with dates greater than today. Now a day I can see as there are 24 hrs but 2030 as a year indicates a desire to put their email on the top of the mail listing. Is there a way to filter these emails out?? If you look in the Advanced tab in the Sorting Office, you'll find an option called Messages is newer than, simply check it and leave it to zero. And, it will filter everything dated tomorrow and beyond. If you set it to anything else than zero, then the filtering goes a few days back in your messages. I just tried it myself to see how it works, since there no clear help on it. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Still Running Slow
Hello Daniel, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 17:26:51 GMT -0400 (1/18/2003, 3:26 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: And, by you not installing ZA and still getting the problem, then you know ZA is not the source of your problem(but for some on this list it was). IIRC the problem with ZA could only be solved with a clean install of OS and software. My memory tells me this was Allie using Win2k. He could tell you otherwise. I can only say from my experience with WinXP. The problem went away with a clean install of OS + Software with Kerio. I do know from use of ZAP from version 1.x forward the uninstall program was NOT clean, and many users had problems until they did clean installs, or got down and dirty with the registry per ZA's manual uninstall instructions. The uninstall problem may not be the case with ZA 3.x. My point is just running the un-install program may NOT eliminate ZA as the culprit. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
One a day e-list
Why does the Bat elist send out so many digests every day. I'd really prefer just one per day. That is how all digests normally work. Regards. Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Still Running Slow
Hello Greg, Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:51:42 PM, you wrote: I can only say from my experience with WinXP. The problem went away with a clean install of OS + Software with Kerio. I do know from use of ZAP from version 1.x forward the uninstall program was NOT clean, and many users had problems until they did clean installs, or got down and dirty with the registry per ZA's manual uninstall instructions. The uninstall problem may not be the case with ZA 3.x. If the services and processes related to ZA are not running, then there shouldn't be any problems. But I cannot confirm that ZA 3.x does a clean uninstall, since I didn't try it myself. But I might try in the next few days. My point is just running the un-install program may NOT eliminate ZA as the culprit. You might be right. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.accramed.ca) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Stripping HTML files
Hello Paul, On January 18, 2003, 14:18, you wrote: PC On Saturday, January 18, 2003, 1:58 PM, you wrote: AJ Hello Peter, AJ The link you provided for the editor that will strip HTML, AJ www.notab.com is under construction and the editor is not available AJ there. Where can I find it? What is its name? PC I think he might have meant notetab: PC http://www.notetab.com/download.htm PC download that here: PC http://www.notetab.com/ntl-dnld1.htm Sorry, you are right, I mistyped, left an e out. -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Stripping HTML files
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 3:41:33 PM, Greg Strong wrote: GS I think she want this done automatically on receipt of the message. She GS does NOT want to do it manually. This is correct. However, I have always had TB keep attachment files in a separate directory. I also have them deleted when the message is deleted (after having had the attachment file balloon unmercifully before I discovered that option g). What I really want is for TB to see that there is HTML, make an attachmen of the HTML-written message, then make it go away all by itself. I read the messages in the preview pane almost all the time. I just find that extra column with the attached file icon annoying. It's not a big deal, but it would be cool if the HTML file could just go away. I think Thomas came the closest to understanding what I want to do, and I'll have to settle for his answer. Thanks to all :) -- Jeanny House Eau Claire, WI Using v. 1.62 Christmas Windows XP Pro Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
Hello Thomas, On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, at 22:14:07 GMT +0700 (1/18/2003, 9:14 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Some HTML messages are text/alternative, so they are sent twice, once as plain text and once as HTML. Other are text/html, so there is no plain text part. Is there a header which makes this differentiation? I looked at a few HTML email. The nearest to header would be: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=70DC67B31B0E I'm not well versed on email standards, so I thought I'd ask the question. :-) -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Stripping HTML files
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Greg Strong [GS] wrote:'
Some HTML messages are text/alternative, so they are sent twice,
once as plain text and once as HTML. Other are text/html, so there
is no plain text part.
GS Is there a header which makes this differentiation?
The header 'Content-Type: multipart/alternative;' is specific for dual
formatted mail.
Unfortunately, once there's embedded graphics, sending the images with
the message, converts it to a multiple attachment message and the
content type is changed to 'Content-Type: multipart/mixed;'
I use my mailserver, MDaemon to strip attachments for messages with
the content type, 'multipart/alternative;'. In this way, I don't have
to keep the HTML version in my mailbases.
If the content is text/html, then I leave it alone since it's only
HTML format. If it's multipart/mixed;, I leave them alone since the
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