Re: Licence unhappiness?
Bryan Anderson wrote: BA Butwhat has happened? I buy the software, install it and sign BA up to the mailing list only to discover dissent in the BA rankswhat is the score with the licence and why are so many BA people unhapy with the new version? I think there's a feeling that a lot of features were promised for 2.x. With the sudden announcement of 3.0 before these features were fully implemented folks feel they are being forced to pay again for features they already paid for. And, it's easy to argue that the major version bump and upgrade fees were purely a marketing move, unwarranted by the feature set. There's also been growing dissatisfaction on the beta list with Ritlabs' development process. They appear to ignore existing bugs to implement new features. Also, the releases, both beta and official, are getting sloppy. BA Have I made a guff in deciding to stay away from Outlook and stay BA with/invest in The Bat!? It depends. Go into it with your eyes open and you'll probably be OK. As I see it, the good stuff is: It's a powerful product. Spend some time learning to use it, and it will pay off. It's pretty safe. It does its own HTML rendering, refusing to download external images or execute code. It'll work hard to prevent you from launching an attached virus. Good support from these lists. This is a great community; treasure it. The bad stuff: The company has a history of poor customer relations. The 3.0 fiasco is pretty much a repeat of 2.0 a year ago. Really bad documentation. It's obviously not a priority, and it'll make you glad these lists exist. Sloppy development. IMO their betas are really alphas, and their releases are betas. What is being pitched as 3.0 is arguably 2.13 beta 10. In fact, I think the 3.0 release version had *no* external testing before release. Don't upgrade as soon as you see a new release. Monitor the lists and learn from the experience of the early adopters. I've tried to be fair here, but to give you some idea of where I'm coming from I'm one of the people who was really pissed about the 3.0 release. I went ahead and paid for it, but in retrospect feel pretty sick about it. Final advice: pay for features, not promises. -- George Using The Rat! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: .msl file format
Hello 9Val, 04-Sep-2004 02:15, you wrote: ASK is the .msl format for the smiley description explained somewhere? Don't know, I understood it just looking :) For the most part of it, yes... but I am no programmer. :-) ASK I see a file order.txt in the images folder, and apparently it ASK is written by TheBat... but what does it mean? Hmm, it shouldn't appear anymore - Max said that using of that file causes blah, blah, blah problems so I had to remove it I'm still on v2.12 if it matters. and now order is saved in bat registry key/MslOrder Browsing the registry, I saw that *everything* from Rit is in HKey Current User rather than HKey Local Machine (were I would've expected it), is that normal/okay? Does anybody need UI editor of order? I'd say it would be easier to have a selector for different smiley themes - scan the images directory for .msl definitions and present them in a dropdown box next to the use smileys prefs tickbox and/or expand the context menu of the msg viewer to contain the different themes (I'm working on a minimalistic smiley set right now that only covers the basic :] and stuff, and I do not want anything else to be interpreted) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Tomorrow a stranger will say with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought and felt all the time, and we shall be forced to take with shame our own opinion from another. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there any way to search for a phrase in TheBat!
Hello Doug Weller, 04-Sep-2004 07:02, you wrote: the Help file needs to be clearer about this. With TB!'s real helpfile being scattered over various websites, the brain's of the list participants, and whatnot - has anyone ever thought of putting the help file into a Wiki? Rit only has to host it on their server... [and all Rit would need was a Wiki-to-.hlp converter, and every contributor would get 30% off for the next update *hehe*] -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) There is no way of avoiding the advance of years except by dying, and there is no great fun in that. -- Isaac Asimov Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual folders and known filters
Hello Lynn, 04-Sep-2004 06:42, you wrote: ASK What if you alter the filtering rules to something... simple? There is no filtering to that folder that I'm aware of - am I missing something? Right-click on the Virtual Folder and open its properties. There's a tab Filter. Is the checkbox use filter ticked? Virtual Folders are being filtered into not the common way. If you think of the messages in a normal folder as a database, then a Virtual Folder is a certain viewpoint to that database - by defining Virtual Folder filter rules you tell the virtual folder you only want to see messages of this-and-that type (according to your filter rules). For example, you could track any private conversation between you and me by creating a virtual folder that watches your inbox and your sent-mail folder with a filter applied so that it will show only messages from/to you/me. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It is better to have loft and lost than to never have loft at all. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: So you just bought The Bat? Ritlabs says 'Get stuffed'
Hæ! Saturday, September 4, 2004, 07:28, M i c C u l l e n wrote: If you are, there's ANY number of examples in the software world where upgrades are free if the previous version was bought with X amount of time. It is called Grace Period and normally the three months before the release of a new major version are valid for this. Adobe and Macromedia do this, too. Of course there is more money involved. -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | aesir media http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v2.12.03 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4] Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Upgrading
Hello MAU and Mary and others who helped, On Friday, September 3, 2004, 5:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB Hello MAU! MB On Friday, September 03, 2004, 12:46 PM, you wrote: MB I don't know whether an install of v. 2.12.00 over v. 3.0 would MB work. M Yes, it will. MB Oh, what good news!! I hope Pat J. will see this from you. We owe you MB a beer *and* a coffee! Yes thank you, I did see it and it gives me the confidence to give 3.0 a try... after a backup (overdue anyway). Beer and coffee on the way. Peanuts and brownies too. :-) -- Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recovering from a crash....
Hello Lynn, JG Agent does this and, since I keep all my 'well behaved' apps on the JG D: drive, after an OS re-install they are all available for JG immediate use, since they don't need any registry settings to work. It would certainly be a godsend if they'd all do that; I had to reload the system recently, too, but I am a *long* way from getting my apps all reinstalled .. and as you say, they are all sitting intact on the D partition, but unusable. I won't say the Registry is the best of the inventions but, think of something. What if you and me were to share the same machine as different Windows users (i.e. with different login). Whose settings and Preferences should TB keep in the ini file? Should we share the same message base (i.e. mail directory)? Even if we use different mail accounts we would be forced to password protect each account and, even so, why should I see your accounts in my folder tree and you see mine in yours? Etc., etc., etc. Try it. Create another user and then log off and login as the new user and see what happens. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.123 Beta/Umpteen Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello dAniel, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 1:02:52 PM, you wrote: Hello TBUDL, on Wed, 1. Sep 2004 at 20:46:13 -0700 Dennis W. Greer wrote: The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! What about 'in between' posting. That's the only way for readable discussions... -- Best regards, Tony Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No more colons
Hello Michael,
On Friday, September 3, 2004, 11:56:47 PM, you wrote:
Jonathan Andrew Sheen wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Angle brackets. These are the arrow ones: {}
I always thought these {} were called curly brackets. Well... :-)
When I went to school, they were braces.
The Jargon File has this to say about their names:
When I went to school computers hadn't been invented and we had black
and white television (9 screen).
--
Best wishes
Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
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Re: So you just bought The Bat? Ritlabs says 'Get stuffed'
Hello M i c C u l l e n, 04-Sep-2004 01:03, you wrote: Here's the response I eventually got off them after emailing sales: -- MicCullen I bought v2 just three months ago. SURELY I am MicCullen not expected now to buy v3, MicCullen less than 100 days after buying v2? You are not obliged to do that. The version that you purchased is fully functional and has no time limit in using. Upgrading is optional. -- Best regards, - That really hurts. Everything else has been said by Mica in MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...even more true now after your part of the story. :-( -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Arcana Coelestica: Archbishop - A Christian ecclesiastic of a rank superior to that obtained by Christ. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....
Hello MAU, On Saturday, September 4, 2004, 9:44:32 AM, you wrote: Hello Lynn, JG Agent does this and, since I keep all my 'well behaved' apps on the JG D: drive, after an OS re-install they are all available for JG immediate use, since they don't need any registry settings to work. It would certainly be a godsend if they'd all do that; I had to reload the system recently, too, but I am a *long* way from getting my apps all reinstalled .. and as you say, they are all sitting intact on the D partition, but unusable. I won't say the Registry is the best of the inventions but, think of something. What if you and me were to share the same machine as different Windows users (i.e. with different login). Whose settings and Preferences should TB keep in the ini file? Should we share the same message base (i.e. mail directory)? Even if we use different mail accounts we would be forced to password protect each account and, even so, why should I see your accounts in my folder tree and you see mine in yours? Etc., etc., etc. Try it. Create another user and then log off and login as the new user and see what happens. Miguel (a) Anybody who touches *my* computer gets their fingers chopped off! (b) How about TB! asks which user you are and then uses jeff.ini, lynne.ini, miguel.ini etc? In fact I might patent that idea. (c) MS started to recommend individual configuration files some time back, surely we all do what MS says without question ;-) -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: .msl file format
Hello 9Val, 04-Sep-2004 12:25, you wrote: ASK I'm still on v2.12 if it matters. Then it is quite simple order.txt describes order of .msl files load so all handles of first will have higher priority than from second entry and so on. OK. So its best to remove other .msl file when I want only one smiley set to be interpreted. ASK Browsing the registry, I saw that *everything* from Rit is in HKey ASK Current User rather than HKey Local Machine (were I would've expected ASK it), is that normal/okay? Sure. If you are using w2k or wxp I think you'll not like to share preferences with other users :) I haven't had a closer look at it, if its only user settings, fully understandable. I was surprised to see no entry at all in HKLM, thats all. ASK I'd say it would be easier to have a selector for different smiley ASK themes - scan the images directory for .msl definitions and present ASK them in a dropdown box next to the use smileys prefs tickbox and/or ASK expand the context menu of the msg viewer to contain the different ASK themes I understand, just have no time now Sure, no problem. I regard it as very low priority at the moment, too. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Most people would die, sooner than think; in fact, they do so. (Bertrand Russel) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Licence unhappiness?
Howdy Bryan, Friday, September 3, 2004, 9:04:01 PM, Bryan wrotened: But the product is a good one, I think. Bryan It is - but I have a suspicion that it's been released a tad Bryan early. The help system is all Version 2, the mail ticker seems Bryan to behave a bt oddly (showing read messages for some reason) Bryan and my headers are claiming I am running Pro when I registered Bryan Home. The help system is still relevant for the basics of TB! v3 except for the filtering system. Mail ticker has logic which causes it to move in what appears an unlogical way but it does actually follow a logic path. The home version saying Pro is a known error on ritlabs part. Having changed the text of the version. heh You need to add a sig delminiter which is dashdashspacereturn Bryan Bryan. Bryan Bryan Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: Bryan http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Should look like what i have below... i just hope it works. -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Is there any way to search for a phrase in TheBat!
Hi Alexander, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 4:06:06 AM, you wrote: ASK ... has anyone ever thought of putting the help file into a Wiki? Actually, Alexander, I think that is an excellent idea. As I've read this list over the last few years, I've noted a number of folks who have a knack for clear, concise explanations as well as the requisite knowledge to produce an excellent help file. The Wiki would provide a way to allow the whole Userbase to hone the content until is was clear and precise. I don't know if a Wiki to .hlp conversion tool exists (if it does, fine) but I would see it as needed only when access to the web based help (i.e., Wiki) was unavailable. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Tony, [T] wrote: Add fat graphics, animated stuff, and useless gadgets. IMO TB! made it's 1st step in that direction with the new icons and promise of skins. soapbox You know, I find this interesting. The very common negative commentary about new icons and smilies with improved XP look support is just testimony to how these things are noticed, whether it be positively or negatively. The applications appearance is the first thing that greets the user. Putting reliability and robust functionality aside as being a must, an attractive interface adds a lot to an application that requires day to day user interaction. IOW's, if I had two applications with equal functionality, reliability and ease of use, I'd personally go for the one that I found more pleasant to look at. It's not a waste of time and development to spend a while focusing on improving the applications appearance. Furthermore, it's not usually the cause of unreliability creeping in, neither does it contribute much to bloating the software. What has made TB! difficult to tame in terms of reliability and bugs are not the introduction of smilies and the efforts at improving the applications appearance as is so commonly mentioned, since it seems to be popular to do so like promoting Linux. ;) - A completely reworked view column modes setup/interface introduced a lot of bugs for a while. - The continuing effort at offering Full IMAP support in what originally was a sophisticated POP3 client has offered serious challenges in maintaining reliability and keeping the bugs out. Not to mention the overall size of the application. There are clients like ThunderBird and Mulberry who focus only on IMAP since it's work enough in itself to fully implement. - A completely reworked filtering system has added its own problems while being ironed out. - A scheduler was added - Chat support was added - The plug-in interfaces were added. - Reworking of the macro support was done - Don't forget the addition of alternative editors I'm sure there's more. It's these major additions/enhancements that have made TB!'s executable that much larger, that much harder to maintain it's reliability and to keep the bugs out. Perhaps these major features could have been introduced more gradually? A more reliable approach perhaps? That makes for a sound argument. But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments about smilies and new icons as if they comprise a HUGE coding effort that could have been channeled elsewhere, or that they comprise a significant source of buggy behaviour and bloat in TB!. /soapbox -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . Drive A: format failure, formatting C: instead... Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt! and userrights
Hello, when I try to add the BayesIt! filter to the list of anti spam plugings (by selecting it in the installation folder of The Bat!), I get an error message, as long as the user has no administrator rights (which is no option at all). What can I do about this? The The Bat! version, the promblem occured with, was 2.12. -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.0 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP INDEXES
Allen Day, [AD] wrote: I like control (which is certainly a big reason I've been using TB! since 1.1x or 1.2x -- but with no documentation it's difficult to determine how best to configure the IMAP setup -- were it not for you, I'd still be in the dark -- ;) I had no idea how non-aggressive typical IMAP clients were with their synchronization. I didn't either. I tried TB! on slower connections using full sync. TB! just wouldn't work. It was after trying other clients and realizing how they worked by default, that I decided to try to simulate the ThunderBird approach with TB!. To my delight it was not only possible, but TB! performed very well with that setup. It would be wonderful if two things would happen: 1. an intuitive configuration wizard Yes. One that warns about aggressive syncing methods and how they can bog down the connections. They're more likely to produce errors and hangs in the queue as well. 2. documentation on the widgets, toggles, and doo-dads (Not holding my breath on this one :-) Just plain old documentation, especially documentation on setups for slow connections vs speedy connections. It's not really practical to scour TBBETA, trying to separate which messages containing IMAP are complaints, which are helpful, and which are misleading. I understand. That could definitely be helpful--I imagine it would also make it possible to switch directions mid-function--I mean, jump from one folder to another folder without waiting for the dust to settle. Exactly! Good old fashioned IMAP -- I've yet to even check and see if my server supports IMAPS. I suspect that, as everything else, the [S] stands not only for Secure but for Slow, as well. :-) Just the short for IMAP over SSL. I find the performance to be about the same in real world terms. However, the IMAPS connection in my experience is more prone to errors and hangs resulting. I don't use it if I can avoid it. I have the same problem with ThunderBird too so I doubt it's TB!. Really? That's what I'd've liked it to do, didn't realize it would actually go to all that trouble while shutting down. Very good. There's also an option to compress IMAP folders on exiting them. I find that one useful. Again, with very slow connections, this only adds to the queue so reconsider using that option if your connection is less than broadband. Yep -- thanks again. And, by the way, congratulation on the newly acquired free time (or have you filled it -all- already?) -- You've always been a great help, despite the pungent odor of fish. Yeah. My time is always filled in. :) -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . I distinctly remember forgetting that. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Home and TB 'proffesional' :-)
Hello MAU, On 3 Sep 2004 at 23:40:24 +0200 GMT [23:40 CEST] you wrote: M I think I've read somewhere, maybe in TBBeta, that the light will be M discontinued. But don't take my word for it. Do you have any idea what I thought when I read this? I was like I don't want light to be discontinued. It's so dark without light! -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. ~ George Orwell Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MORE version questions
Hello rich, On 3 Sep 2004 at 13:17:44 -0400 GMT [19:17 CEST] you wrote: rg Anyone have comments on the 2.x versions at my (free) disposal? rg 2.04.7 - the version I am (still) on rg 2.11.02 - a version still available on the site for download rg 2.12 - a version still available on the site for download If I remember correctly the main thing you would gain are smilies/rogues and virtual folders. But better download, look at the changelog and try for yourself. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary, On 3 Sep 2004 at 10:57:06 -0500 GMT [17:57 CEST] you wrote: MB :grin: Okay. 4 * * 1 MB But, Andre, I use *asterisks* to indicate emphasis, I don't. And for exactly for that reason. If I need to show emphasis which is seldom enough i use underscores. I realize I'm not coming from where almost everyone else on these lists is coming from. looks alien to me. Even though I see them here quite often I'm still not used to it. I'm used to use * * in those cases. You will find me write *g* occasingly but never g I'm not sure why that is. I have a theory about mirc using asterics for actions but I don't know. It's in irc where I learned these things. If someday tb supports these symbols for bold, underlined etc text so be it. I will grin boldly then. I was teasing you when I refused to subscribe to one of your two options, true enough. But there was still my honest opinion in there as well. MB so that I don't shout with capitals. But you should shout with capitals. That's what they're there for. Of course, better not to shout at all. MB (Because one of the few lacks in the MicroEd and its accompanying MB View configurations, is a way to show bold or italic fonts for this MB kind of emphasis.) tb! doesn't offer this at all for non html mail. MB Anyway, it's really nice to hear from you. Nice of you to say that. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 Fliegen ist gar nicht so schwierig, wie man denkt. Man muß sich nur auf den Boden schmeißen und vergessen aufzuschlagen. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello John, On 3 Sep 2004 at 02:30:05 +1000 GMT [18:30 CEST] you wrote: JP As a matter of interest, does anyone know if RTitlabs read this list at all? At least some of them do. I remeber Stef and 9Val posting here in the past. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. ~ George Orwell Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LAtest BayesIT Announcements
Hello Michael, On 3 Sep 2004 at 09:46:30 -0700 GMT [18:46 CEST] you wrote: MLW Is there an announcement for BayesIT? If not, how do I know when a MLW new version is released? From time to time try the download url with increased version number. Then see if you get a download or 404. From time to time Alexey makes an anouncement on tbbeta as well. BUt not for every version. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there any way to search for a phrase in TheBat!
Hello Alexander, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 2:06:06 AM, you wrote: A With TB!'s real helpfile being scattered over various websites, A the brain's of the list participants, and whatnot - has anyone ever A thought of putting the help file into a Wiki? Rit only has to host A it on their server... Yes... Robert Graham suggested it, and I got it installed but misconfigured initially, and then had to leave for a baby so I didn't get a chance to finish the Wiki setup. We'll revisit that shortly. I'm hoping to find time on Monday to work on it. -- __ ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Somewhere in the world, it is 5 o'clock. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Licence unhappiness?
Howdy Allie, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:44:44 PM, Allie wrotened: Allie But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments Allie about smilies and new icons as if they comprise a HUGE coding Allie effort that could have been channeled elsewhere, or that they Allie comprise a significant source of buggy behaviour and bloat in Allie TB!. Go Allie go Allie go. from the new non mod allie cheerleading squad -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The voices may not be real, but they have some pretty good ideas. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Licence unhappiness?
Hello Allie, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 5:44:44 AM, you wrote: Tony, [T] wrote: Add fat graphics, animated stuff, and useless gadgets. IMO TB! made it's 1st step in that direction with the new icons and promise of skins. soapbox You know, I find this interesting. Me too. :-) The very common negative commentary about new icons and smilies with improved XP look support is just testimony to how these things are noticed, whether it be positively or negatively. The 1st thing I do after installing XP is reverting everything to classic w2k look. The applications appearance is the first thing that greets the user. Agreed. And important to me. Putting reliability and robust functionality aside as being a must, an attractive interface adds a lot to an application that requires day to day user interaction. But v2 had a nice look. Fat icons are one of the reasons that scared me away from Outlook (and Eudora) So the looks can attract and scare away users. And even if RitLabs hired 100 graphics artists TB! will never be main stream. It's targeted at a different market than Outlook. A market with people that are prepared to invest more time in an application. And I could be very wrong here but I think that kind of people are teh ones that complain the most about bloatware. IOW's, if I had two applications with equal functionality, reliability and ease of use, I'd personally go for the one that I found more pleasant to look at. It's not a waste of time and development to spend a while focusing on improving the applications appearance. Furthermore, it's not usually the cause of unreliability creeping in, neither does it contribute much to bloating the software. On itself not. But somehow it often goes hand in hand with instability/bloating. Everything can be programmed bugfree. However company policy dictates how long is spend on tracking bugs. What has made TB! difficult to tame in terms of reliability and bugs are not the introduction of smilies and the efforts at improving the applications appearance as is so commonly mentioned, I'm sure there's more. It's these major additions/enhancements that have made TB!'s executable that much larger, Sure it makes it larger. But I'm also sure that TB! could fit in half the size! But that would take a lot longer to program. I'm aware of that. It's just like K9. Below 100Kb and outperforms all/most 4MB+ spam filters. that much harder to maintain it's reliability and to keep the bugs out. Perhaps these major features could have been introduced more gradually? A more reliable approach perhaps? That makes for a sound argument. That probably would be a better approach. I do a little programming myself and I learned that debugging every feature before adding more functionality saves lots of time later. But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments about smilies and new icons as if they comprise a HUGE coding effort that could have been channeled elsewhere, or that they comprise a significant source of buggy behaviour and bloat in TB!. But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments about what I'm allowed to say :-) If everybody shuts up how should RitLabs know what its users wants. And you selectively snipped all the stuff I said in favour of RitLabs to make it look like hate mail. Besides I think you missed my point about icons and smilies. History has proven that it very often (not always) is a start of bloatware. See my example of Norton. Or Microsoft. Another example. So many bug fixes. Yes large programs like office are harder to debug. But they have an army of programmers working on it. -- Tony I don't have to be dead to donate my organ. Want it? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
An XP look :-) (was: Re: Licence unhappiness?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Sat, 4 Sep 2004, at 07:44:44 -0500, @ @ when Allie Martin wrote: The very common negative commentary about new icons and smilies with improved XP look support is just testimony to how these things are noticed, whether it be positively or negatively. Ah, it is so an XP look! :-) I wonder no more. And I heard even of some skins... There, it becomes interesting all the more. :) Will say nothing and will not disturb the masters anymore. Will just watch, from the gallery. ... With the another old man. :-) An XP look. ... I knew that something's screwed with it, but thought it's only icons... Now... Kidding, partly. The interface of v3 is better (as the look got from steamroller influence is started swelling a bit getting some of 3D shape), approximately just what I meant (a slight touch up of the *surfaces*, no any skins), while it's still (thanks God) far from an XP look. Icons can be replaced by external glyphs anyway so it's not disaster. The skins... It's scalpable, so no problems with it too. :-) ...Are there some furry ones? For fall-winter seasons. :-) - -- Mica :dude: PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBOcrs9q62QPd3XuIRArzKAJ40w/mtACjkZ5k98v7S28F4ov/9qACgkQKG Qi/iMowld8RyKHCr9sk4VXU= =1mRN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Recovering from a crash....
Hello Jeff, On Friday, September 3, 2004, 12:48:26 PM, you wrote: Hello Roelof, On Friday, September 3, 2004, 11:39:38 AM, you wrote: Hallo Jeff, On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:12:56 +0100GMT (3-9-2004, 11:12 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JG I have been following this thread with some interest as I have to do a JG re-install of XP soon. JG The long term answer would be for Ritlabs to keep TB!'s settings in an JG ini file instead of the registry I'd prefer that myself, but there's a workaround. You can save TB's registry settings to disk, that way you can import it when you've installed XP again. Sionce you're planning to do a re-install you can prepare yourself properly. It can also be automated by using a .bat file with a command like this: c:\windows\regedit.exe /e c:\thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT Adjust the path settings to your preferences. I never fail to be amazed by command line wizards who can achieve in 10 seconds what it would take hours to do any other way :-) That's brilliant - I used it for XanaNews as well so I can re-install my news reader the same way. Many thanks! Just a follow up to say I have set up a new PC, copied TB! over, ran the reg files and I'm in business :-) Thanks again Roelof. -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: So you just bought The Bat? Ritlabs says 'Get stuffed'
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 06:24:21 +0100 GMT(04/09/2004, 06:24 + GMT), Doug Weller wrote: DW Are there many examples of getting refunds if you DW bought something 3 months before an upgrade/new model? Not exactly the same, but I was using a very old version of Quicken for my accounts (bought when I retired in 1994, I think). When the millennium loomed, Intuit sent me a message saying that, as my old version wasn't Year 2000 proof, they would send me a free copy of a later version that was. So I'm now using Quicken Deluxe 98, though under Widows XP Pro now, not Windows 98. [BTW and OT: does anyone know if that version of Quicken will work with SP2?] I believe there was a small upgrade charge for people then still using a 16-bit version of Quicken. -- Eric Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
inbox not bold in one account
My TB! runs six mail accounts. In all but one the Postbox In turns bold to show new unread messages have arrived. This is since version 3.0. Since only one mailbox is affected, I wonder if I perhaps inadvertently changed a setting. Can someone help me? Thanks! -- [using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Win XP Pro] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Andre! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 8:29 AM, you wrote: MB :grin: Okay. 4 * * 1 MB But, Andre, I use *asterisks* to indicate emphasis, AW I don't. And for exactly for that reason. If I need to show AW emphasis which is seldom enough i use underscores. Well, I think I had noticed that. Nobody, however, ever actually told me to use asterisks. Long before I was so lucky as to encounter you on the lists, I noticed that the people I was coming to respect most did enclose a word in asterisks to indicate emphasis. When I joined these lists, and a short 5 months earlier, some of the Rootsweb lists in 2002, my one experience with mailing lists had been with the International Horn Society's discussion group (musicians who play the French horn). Entirely different preferences and styles prevailed there. AW I realize I'm not coming from where almost everyone else on these AW lists is coming from. looks alien to me. Even though I see AW them here quite often I'm still not used to it. I'm used to use * AW * in those cases. You will find me write *g* occasingly but never AW g Truly it's all in what one's used to, but I do try to notice what most people are doing and to fit in. Well, that's when it's a group to which I wish to belong--like this one. AW I'm not sure why that is. I have a theory about mirc using AW asterics for actions but I don't know. It's in irc where I AW learned these things. I don't know what mirc and irc are. AW If someday tb supports these symbols for bold, underlined etc text AW so be it. I will grin boldly then. Do you mean interprets in the text View Folder window a bold or italic font, as the case may be? AW I was teasing you when I refused to subscribe to one of your two AW options, true enough. But there was still my honest opinion in AW there as well. I was so focused on the fact that I wanted to please Roelof and others who complained about colon enclosures, if I could, that I totally lost my sense of humor for the moment. Even though I saw your teasing symbol. But even after your intent was pointed out to me earlier in this thread, I did think you were also making a serious point. I enjoy the Smileys myself. They are a part of The Bat!, and I don't think I should have to give up using them just because others do not prefer them. Mostly I think people will gain the habit of ignoring them in their PTV, whatever the enclosure is. And for PCWSmiley Smileys, that enclosure will be colons. In the same way, when I first began reading these lists, the occasional poster whose style is not to write a capital I, but rather to type i, would really bring me up short. It's still not standard written English. But on the lists my eyes simply breeze right over it and my brain stays focused on the meaning. MB so that I don't shout with capitals. AW But you should shout with capitals. That's what they're there for. In the real world, they're more often used to indicate extreme emphasis. On the lists, they make people think you are yelling--with yelling used in its pejorative sense of attacking. AW Of course, better not to shout at all. Yes. Careful choice of ideas and words and word order to express those ideas is the better course. :) MB (Because one of the few lacks in the MicroEd and its accompanying MB View configurations, is a way to show bold or italic fonts for this MB kind of emphasis.) AW tb! doesn't offer this at all for non html mail. Understood. And it's very low on my preference priorities to have it. MB Anyway, it's really nice to hear from you. AW Nice of you to say that. Andre, I find you always timely and thoughtful in your comments. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Hello Allie, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:44:44 PM, you wrote: Tony, [T] wrote: Add fat graphics, animated stuff, and useless gadgets. IMO TB! made it's 1st step in that direction with the new icons and promise of skins. soapbox You know, I find this interesting. The very common negative commentary about new icons and smilies with improved XP look support is just testimony to how these things are noticed, whether it be positively or negatively. The applications appearance is the first thing that greets the user. Putting reliability and robust functionality aside as being a must, an attractive interface adds a lot to an application that requires day to day user interaction. IOW's, if I had two applications with equal functionality, reliability and ease of use, I'd personally go for the one that I found more pleasant to look at. It's not a waste of time and development to spend a while focusing on improving the applications appearance. Furthermore, it's not usually the cause of unreliability creeping in, neither does it contribute much to bloating the software. What has made TB! difficult to tame in terms of reliability and bugs are not the introduction of smilies and the efforts at improving the applications appearance as is so commonly mentioned, since it seems to be popular to do so like promoting Linux. ;) - A completely reworked view column modes setup/interface introduced a lot of bugs for a while. - The continuing effort at offering Full IMAP support in what originally was a sophisticated POP3 client has offered serious challenges in maintaining reliability and keeping the bugs out. Not to mention the overall size of the application. There are clients like ThunderBird and Mulberry who focus only on IMAP since it's work enough in itself to fully implement. - A completely reworked filtering system has added its own problems while being ironed out. - A scheduler was added - Chat support was added - The plug-in interfaces were added. But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments about smilies and new icons as if they comprise a HUGE coding effort that could have been channeled elsewhere, or that they comprise a significant source of buggy behaviour and bloat in TB!. The only issue I have with smilies is that it's impossible to ignore the ):( type characters in the text - and that's just as annoying for me as seeing the actual graphic (but maybe I am a grumpy old s*d as my wife says). I'd be ecstatic if the next version of TB could filter these characters out of my received messages. -- regards, Clive T Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Andre, MB But, Andre, I use *asterisks* to indicate emphasis, I don't. And for exactly for that reason. If I need to show emphasis which is seldom enough i use underscores. Traditionally on the net, asterisks mean *bold*, underscores mean _underlined_, slashes mean /italics/, etc. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.123 Beta/Umpteen Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Home and TB 'proffesional' :-)
Hello Andre, Do you have any idea what I thought when I read this? I was like I don't want light to be discontinued. It's so dark without light! :-)) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.123 Beta/Umpteen Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark / A new fish in the block
Hallo M, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:13:54 +0800GMT (4-9-2004, 3:13 +0200, where I live), you wrote: =B0 MM What does the BO is supposed to be? Leif Baad Odor :grin: MIC But these are fresh trout, unless the mods have been asleep for a while! I suppose they smell fishy. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpIN7u6mMXJQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Hello Ben! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 8:02 AM, you wrote: Allie But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the Allie comments about smilies and new icons as if they comprise a Allie HUGE coding effort that could have been channeled elsewhere, Allie or that they comprise a significant source of buggy behaviour Allie and bloat in TB!. BA Go Allie go Allie go. BA from the new non mod allie cheerleading squad May I join you on that squad? Allie always reasons more clearly and expresses himself more cogently than I'm able to do. So I'm ready to stop talking about Smileys and start learning how to do filters. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Licence unhappiness?)
Hallo Clive, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:52:42 +0100GMT (4-9-2004, 16:52 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CT Hello Allie, moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Clive. ' Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpA1uoX3zJt2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Licence unhappiness?)
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Clive Leif Roelof Sorry about that. I DID trim Allie's post to one para before I sent it but TB put my reply in its outbox and then sent it twice in the form that appeared on the list! It then perfomed a GPF and locked solid, necessitating a reboot. Goodness only knows what new users are thinking about this version. -- Regards, Clive Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: inbox not bold in one account
Hello A.Translator, This is since version 3.0. ..and... [using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Win XP Pro] ...and... User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.13.1nl (9fcb1df3.3.494) Hope you don't mind, I just laughed out loud when I noticed that you talk about v3, your sig says v2, and you're actually mailing with 40tude dialog. ;-) Sorry! I can't help you really - have you tried folder maintenance? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) As gas light is found to be the best nocturnal police, so the universe protects itself by pitiless publicity. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Hello Tony, 05-Sep-2004 00:48, you wrote: The very common negative commentary about new icons and smilies with improved XP look support is just testimony to how these things are noticed, whether it be positively or negatively. The 1st thing I do after installing XP is reverting everything to classic w2k look. You could as well discuss wether you like the beginning of the first track of insert-your-favorite-band-here's new CD, and how it evolves into the 2nd track. It all depends so much on one's taste, its not worth to discuss differences in the personal liking of a user interface. IMHO, of course. Any GUI designer can't possible make it right for everyone. Its just impossible. Deal with it. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It is not the business for science to inherit the Earth, but to inherit the moral imagination; because without that, man and beliefs and science will perish together. -- Jacob Bronowski Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: inbox not bold in one account
Op Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:24:44 +0200 schreef Alexander S. Kunz: Hope you don't mind, I just laughed out loud when I noticed that you talk about v3, your sig says v2, and you're actually mailing with 40tude dialog. ;-) Stupid me! I update the info in my sig in TB! but completely forgot the one in Dialog. -- [using The Bat! 3.0 on Win XP Pro] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Licence unhappiness?)
Hello Clive Taylor, 04-Sep-2004 17:07, you wrote: It then perfomed a GPF and locked solid, necessitating a reboot. *SCNR* ...yeah, of course... blame your incompetence on the poor young little program... aren't you ashamed of yourself? :-) (...I'm in a really good mood right now, feels rather uncatholic, please forgive me...) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Puritanism: the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be happy. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there any way to search for a phrase in TheBat!
Hello Leif Gregory, 04-Sep-2004 15:33, you wrote: [ Bat Help as Wiki ] We'll revisit that shortly. I'm hoping to find time on Monday to work on it. Its already in the making? GREAT!!! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) As soon as I get through with you, you'll have a clear case for divorce and so will my wife. -- Groucho Marx Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Licence unhappiness?)
...yeah, of course... blame your incompetence on the poor young little program... aren't you ashamed of yourself? :-) Well, it MUST be me mustn't it. After all, Ritlabs (you know, professional, listening, caring, competent etc) have released this fine version after such exhaustive testing they've had to go to lie down by the Black Sea or wherever they go to spend licence monies. -- Regards Clive T 3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Andre Wichartz, 04-Sep-2004 15:29, you wrote: g Sorry to jump in here, I just tested a little bit - here (v2.12) the smiley interpreter doesn't interpret anything in chevrons ... no g no nothing, it just appears as-is... In addition, it only interprets smileys if they aren't following by another character. This :-). for example should appear as-is on screen, just like :42:. this. But maybe it's been fixed in v3? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Hane's Law: There is no limit as to how bad things can get. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Smileys go to Ignorewood (was: Re: Licence unhappiness?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Sat, 4 Sep 2004, at 15:52:42 +0100, @ @ when Clive Taylor wrote: The only issue I have with smilies is that it's impossible to ignore the ):( type characters in the text - and that's just as annoying for me as seeing the actual graphic (but maybe I am a grumpy old s*d as my wife says). I'd be ecstatic if the next version of TB could filter these characters out of my received messages. The ecstasy's around the corner, and is lurking. I think it can be done with some macro and/or regexp template (at least in reply 'edition' of a message), but still cannot convince my attention it's worth of trying. - -- Mica :happypiglet: PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBOd2H9q62QPd3XuIRAiGJAJ92qMtLctk2jqK2nZc9PxvTQ/DRFACgiuNQ jjwxBZHI9tj6CegROQvwNc4= =hAuF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Trout break [wasRe: Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: Licence unhappiness?)]
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What about this one? The trout is watching you.
^_^ Japanese trout.
* The trout with a black eye.
~ The trout is sti{c|n}king out its tongue.
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v3.0 filter failure
Hello, I installed the trial version of 3.0 over my 2.12 easily... now the filters don't seem to be working. I've checked the sorting office (and think I will come to like the new format very much) and all my old filters are in place; just not working. Has anyone any experience with this, or other advice to offer? I'm not sure exactly what to do to correct this. And here I thought (at first glance this morning) that I actually received 12 personal emails! ...Just unfiltered spam. :-( Thanks in advance. -- Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Tony, [T] wrote: The 1st thing I do after installing XP is reverting everything to classic w2k look. Choice. It's all a matter of choice. Roelof recently stated that TB! doesn't look any different to him since he still uses the glyph set he likes. With your glyph set and the classic Windows look, you'll not see any difference with TB!. The fact that you immediately switch to the classic look is testimony to the fact the even you care about the appearance of your applications. However, what about those who use the XP look and quite understandably wish TB! to have the consistent XP look like most other applications they run have? Should Ritlabs ignore them? I absolutely think not since appearance *does* mean a lot to users. Putting reliability and robust functionality aside as being a must, an attractive interface adds a lot to an application that requires day to day user interaction. But v2 had a nice look. For you. v3 can be made to look like v2 so you can be made happy. Those who like a more compatible XP look can be happy. TB! now has an appearance that can be altered to please more users. I'd say this makes TB! a better app for more where appearance is concerned. Not a wasted effort at all. Fat icons are one of the reasons that scared me away from Outlook (and Eudora) So the looks can attract and scare away users. 'Drab' icons have many disgruntled about TB! too. The beauty of TB! is that you can still use your icons of choice. http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=listarticlessecid=10 And even if RitLabs hired 100 graphics artists TB! will never be main stream. It's targeted at a different market than Outlook. A market with people that are prepared to invest more time in an application. And I could be very wrong here but I think that kind of people are teh ones that complain the most about bloatware. Yes. You could be wrong, and I do believe you're wrong on this unfounded assumption. On itself not. But somehow it often goes hand in hand with instability/bloating. Everything can be programmed bugfree. However company policy dictates how long is spend on tracking bugs. I disagree here. I'm saying that bugs are in TB!, many are frustrated with their bugs not being fixed, and many quite unreasonably cast a lot of blame/attention/emphasis on the changes being made to the user-interface appearance as being the reason for this. I've outlined a lot bigger development efforts/enhancements that are occurring concurrently. Overwhelming reasonably bugfree development with the simultaneous introduction of all these new components seems like the bigger problem here. Simultaneous introduction of features quite likely borne of a strong desire to please customers. Sure it makes it larger. But I'm also sure that TB! could fit in half the size! But that would take a lot longer to program. I'm aware of that. It's just like K9. Below 100Kb and outperforms all/most 4MB+ spam filters. I don't have enough knowledge or information to argue on this so I'll reserve any comments on this to those who wish to. I do smell a heavy dose of speculating/conjecture here but I just can't be certain. That probably would be a better approach. I do a little programming myself and I learned that debugging every feature before adding more functionality saves lots of time later. Yes. Seems reasonable and I witness this approach with MDaemon, my mailserver. They run an exemplary beta program with a top-notch and very stable mailserver resulting. Of course, there are always bugs being reported. :) But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments about what I'm allowed to say :-) I don't see how on earth I can really determine or have direct influence on what you choose or choose not to post here. I can only post my own opinion as well. Being tired of reading a particular sentiment is just another sentiment. It cannot and therefore should not be construed as a request to stop posting such a sentiment. If everybody shuts up how should RitLabs know what its users wants. And you selectively snipped all the stuff I said in favour of RitLabs to make it look like hate mail. Can we be reasonable here? No one is telling anyone here to shut up. Accusing me of making your mail out to be hate mail is a bit over the top too. Besides I think you missed my point about icons and smilies. History has proven that it very often (not always) is a start of bloatware. (not always) This is my rebuttal. Not always. Let's not jump to conclusions. They do not contribute significantly to coding time when looking at TB!'s overall development progress and it's not like TB!'s appearance should be left alone while Windows appearance is changing and general application appearances are changing all around. Fire up a Windows 3.1 application and the same for an application in 2004 and you see what I mean. Whether one looks better than the other isn't the point. The point is that they're quite
Re: Is there any way to search for a phrase in TheBat!
Hello Alexander, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 9:39:11 AM, you wrote: A Its already in the making? GREAT!!! Yep.. I just haven't had time to sit down and get it up and running yet. Well, that and the fact we've been having some serious line problems down here in ABQ where my web server is. -- __ ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: The size of a computer error is inversely proportional to the elapsed time. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Alexander! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 10:42 AM, you wrote: MB g ASK ... the smiley interpreter doesn't interpret anything in ,,, This is how it has always been. Take a look at the .msl files in The Bat!/Images. TB! will only call the image as a text replacement for the handle, which you can read in the middle of each .msl line. ASK In addition, it only interprets smileys if they aren't following ASK by another character. This :-). for example should appear as-is ASK on screen, just like :42:. this. Again, this is how it's always been. I think that's a good thing--it gives the user the opportunity to put a text character up against the handle and prevent its execution, if the execution is not wanted in a particular message. BTW, we have no image to represent :-) in the Image folder. To call a smile, :) is the handle. :) ASK But maybe it's been fixed in v3? It's the same as it's always been. In my opinion, it's desirable that way and so it doesn't need to be fixed. Truly, though, I do appreciate your interest and I'm enjoying talking about this feature with you. Thanks for writing. :42: -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary Bull, 04-Sep-2004 18:08, you wrote: MB g ASK ... the smiley interpreter doesn't interpret anything in ,,, This is how it has always been. Take a look at the .msl files in The Bat!/Images. TB! will only call the image as a text replacement for the handle, which you can read in the middle of each .msl line. I mean - I placed g as a handle there. Including the chevrons aka pointed brackets. Placing *g* is interpreted, however. BTW, we have no image to represent :-) in the Image folder. To call a smile, :) is the handle. :) Dunno - I just created my own smiley theme, and it contains a :-) handle, of course! ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) In a way, science must be described as paranoid thinking applied to nature: we are looking for natural conspiracies, for connections among apparently disparate data. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hallo P.Johnson, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:50:28 -0500GMT (4-9-2004, 17:50 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PJ I installed the trial version of 3.0 over my 2.12 easily... now the PJ filters don't seem to be working. Is that as in all of the filters or some of the filters? Just check the conditions to see whether something might be converted badly. And spend some extra time on the filters you're suspecting from misbehavior. This same checking run could be used to adapt your filters to the possibilities that the NFS offers. For instance, I changed my tbudl filter from the condition: text: Reply-To: *.tbudl@ with regexp enabled to this: Header Field - Reply-To - contains - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suppose that could've skipped a bit on the address, but that's not the issue. This definitely makes your filters better readable, even though the regexp part of the filter wasn't very difficult to interpret, it's just one of my filters and I did it for all (also cut some dead wood) About all of my filters got converted ok. But I checked them roughly, since I already was using a heavily edited filter set due to beta testing. (Only moved my account.srb file, so a new one was generated, but I could return to my own edition) -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpUhZU0OKmX9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: inbox not bold in one account
Hallo A.Translator, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:34:14 +0200GMT (4-9-2004, 17:34 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AT Stupid me! I update the info in my sig in TB! You don't have to do that, TB will do that for you when you use: The Bat! %THEBATVERSION -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpSATJtH8jI5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hello P.Johnson, Has anyone any experience with this, or other advice to offer? I'm not sure exactly what to do to correct this. Most of my filters were converted correctly and are working with no problems. I had problems with a few that used Regex and, although being apparently correct, they were not working. Are you using Regex in your filters? If so, I would advise to try to change them to not use Regex. The NFS has more options for setting up conditions without needing Regex. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.123 Beta/Umpteen Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Ben Allen, [BA] wrote: Go Allie go Allie go. from the new non mod allie cheerleading squad LOL! A lightish weekend, so far (keeping fingers and toes crossed), does allow for the occasional soap-boxing. ;) -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . S met ing's hap ening t my k ybo rd . . Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys go to Ignorewood (was: Re: Licence unhappiness?)
The ecstasy's around the corner, and is lurking. Well, assuming you're talking about smilies and not drugs, that would be fantastic. -- Regards Clive T Nursing the under-developed TB 3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Alexander! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 11:19 AM, you wrote: ASK ... the smiley interpreter doesn't interpret anything in ,,, ... ASK I mean - I placed g as a handle there. Including the ASK chevrons aka pointed brackets. Placing *g* is interpreted, ASK however. Ah. I see. I totally failed to realize that you were doing some testing and reporting on that. MB BTW, we have no image to represent :-) in the Image folder. To MB call a smile, :) is the handle. ... ASK Dunno - I just created my own smiley theme, and it contains a ASK :-) handle, of course! ;-) That explains why I don't see it--neither in the default.msl nor in the pcwsmileys.msl as downloaded (default with TB!, pcwsmileys from http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php ) does that handle exist. What follows from this is, that unless others manually edit their own .msl files to include that handle, the image will only be called on your machine. However, as Mica M. pointed out earlier in this thread, for use among any correspondents running TB!, it's possible to make a set of images and .msl files to call them and have one's own private set of smileys to use. Finally, your test seems to be a real-life proof that what Marck said about the enclosure not working in the Smileys code is true. Thanks for writing. :-) -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 11:46 AM, you wrote: ASK Dunno - I just created my own smiley theme, and it contains a ASK :-) handle, of course! ;-) MB That explains why I don't see it--neither in the default.msl nor MB in the pcwsmileys.msl as downloaded (default with TB!, pcwsmileys MB from http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php ) does that MB handle exist. Not for the first time, I've made a statement without double-checking. Just looked at the default.msl on my machine, and :-) is there for the smile icon. However, the principle of no handle, no call to text replacement is still valid. :-) -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v3.0 filter failure
Hello Roelof, On Saturday, September 4, 2004, 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RO On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:50:28 -0500GMT (4-9-2004, 17:50 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: PJ I installed the trial version of 3.0 over my 2.12 easily... now the PJ filters don't seem to be working. RO Is that as in all of the filters or some of the filters? RO Just check the conditions to see whether something might be converted RO badly. And spend some extra time on the filters you're suspecting from RO misbehavior. Sorry I wasn't more clear... as far as I can tell, so far it is only the TBUDL and Spam filters that are not functioning correctly. And, strangely, some TBUDL message are filtered into their folder, some are not. The condition for the TBUDL filter is: Message Source - match - [EMAIL PROTECTED] RO This same checking run could be used to adapt your filters to the RO possibilities that the NFS offers. For instance, I changed my tbudl RO filter from the condition: RO text: Reply-To: *.tbudl@ with regexp enabled RO to this: RO Header Field - Reply-To - contains - [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is *without* regex enabled? I will try that, thanks. BTW, I don't see where I enable or disable regex. The Options tab has what looks like fewer options too-- or does the content depend on conditions and actions previously selected? The non-working spam filter is set up like this: Message source - match - ^X-Spampal: SPAM I'll try a few alternates and see if I can get it working again. Roelof, thank you so much for your quick response. I know a lot of it is just common sense (lacking here) but I was just a little hesitant about fiddling with the NFS settings when the filters are such an important part of my system. -- Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hallo P.Johnson, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:08:47 -0500GMT (4-9-2004, 19:08 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PJ BTW, I don't see where I enable or disable regex. The Options tab has PJ what looks like fewer options too-- or does the content depend on PJ conditions and actions previously selected? If I got it right, the filter's using regexp when it says 'match' and it doesn't when it says 'contains' PJ The non-working spam filter is set up like this: PJ Message source - match - ^X-Spampal: SPAM Try this: Options - Preferences - Message headers - Add: Display: X-Spampal RFC name: X-Spampal uncheck the three options Now you've made TB recognize the X-Spampal header Create a new filter: Header Field - X-Spampal - contains - SPAM PJ Roelof, thank you so much for your quick response. I know a lot of it PJ is just common sense (lacking here) That's lacking here too, that's why I like to train it. (You can translate that to: Sharpen on somebody else) PJ but I was just a little hesitant about fiddling with the NFS PJ settings when the filters are such an important part of my system. Remember that whenever you've made an absolute mess of it, you can delete your account.srb files (with TB closed) and TB will convert your v2 filters again (as long as you don't delete your account.srx files). -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpk6DcyIopAX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 7:43:12 AM, you wrote: LS Hello, LS when I try to add the BayesIt! filter to the list of anti LS spam plugings (by selecting it in the installation folder of The LS Bat!), I get an error message, as long as the user has no LS administrator rights (which is no option at all). What can I do LS about this? LS The The Bat! version, the promblem occured with, was 2.12. There must be a login on the system that has admin privledges. You can't delete them all. You will need to log in with one of those accounts and either grant your regular account permission to add the plugin or add it from that account. It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug in file itself that needs to be changed. Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
There must be a login on the system that has admin privledges. You can't delete them all. You will need to log in with one of those accounts and either grant your regular account permission to add the plugin or add it from that account. The plugin has to be added for every user. By that is no option I ment, I'm not willing to add every user to the admin group and back. -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.0 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug in file itself that needs to be changed. Could be. Has no one else this problem, or are all people out there working with admin rights for their accounts? -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.0 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v3.0 filter failure
Hello Miguel, On Saturday, September 4, 2004, 12:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone any experience with this, or other advice to offer? I'm not sure exactly what to do to correct this. M Most of my filters were converted correctly and are working with no M problems. I had problems with a few that used Regex and, although being M apparently correct, they were not working. Are you using Regex in your M filters? If so, I would advise to try to change them to not use Regex. M The NFS has more options for setting up conditions without needing M Regex. I have no real understanding of regex so will happily disable it! As I mentioned to Roelof, it's not immediately apparent where the regex settings are, but hey, I've got a free afternoon. :-)) Thanks so much, Miguel. -- Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Friday, September 3, 2004, 6:28:38 AM, you wrote: MB Therefore, if it's okay, let's have a poll: MB 1) For Smiley handles enclosed in colons : : MB 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets Smileys in colons would probably be easier for me to implement .. TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No more colons
Friday, September 3, 2004, 9:26:16 AM, you wrote: MDP And by MDP using sensible handles, :grin: still looks MDP reasonable as 'grin' MDP wrapped in colons - the intent preserved, MDP whatever the viewer. Were we supposed to see a smilie on :grin:? If so, something is wrong with my config .. Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: STEVEN, me and strange emails
Friday, September 3, 2004, 9:35:38 AM, you wrote: TD Or, somebody could fix this problem? hm? Only if they discover it .. if what is happening is the way you describe, it must indeed be quiet for RL's support team! Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Lynn! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 1:20 PM, you wrote: MB Therefore, if it's okay, let's have a poll: MB 1) For Smiley handles enclosed in colons : : MB 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets L Smileys in colons would probably be easier for me to implement .. Enclosed in colons is how the ones from the PCWSmileys page will remain. Other options present almost insurmountable difficulties, of one kind or another. Thanks for answering. :) -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters
Friday, September 3, 2004, 10:29:40 AM, you wrote: MM I know it cannot help *now*, when the corruption MM already happened, but it can save lots of future MM screams, and perhaps modify them to the ones of a MM pleasure. (-: Hmm. Well, that folder wasn't one that I restored with TB's utility, it's just one I made on *this* particular install .. so whatever the problem is, it didn't happen there. It's not watching any folders. I changed its name. But it still claims the parked messages are there, and won't be deleted sigh MM Just to say, yet, that TB has no any Recover option, MM its just Restore one. One should be careful with it. It's always worked well for me, so far anyway. It did restore my AB with no hitches .. *that* was something of a relief! lol! Thanks for continuing to puzzle over it .. there *must* be some way to get rid of it .. it's a constant testimony to my clumsiness sitting there at the end of the folder list! Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys go to Ignorewood (was: Re: Licence unhappiness?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Sat, 4 Sep 2004, at 17:44:44 +0100, @ @ when Clive Taylor wrote: The ecstasy's around the corner, and is lurking. Well, assuming you're talking about smilies and not drugs, that would be fantastic. I'm talking about a colon cleaner, a macro/template which would remove all :anynumberanyletter: forms from a given message you reply to. (Therefore, no any health risk included; even contrarily.) It could be done easily, I believe, just by using an automated search-replace with regexp. But I re-think that removing them from original messages wouldn't still do anything useful (because of interrupting a consistency of the original, whichever it can be). Actually I am not sure if it would do something useful even in replies... Perhaps only sometimes. But is not bad, anyway, to have such thingy handy. (Ops, I see now that I didn't delete the previous followups when changed the subject... Let the Force decide what to do now...) - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBOgWI9q62QPd3XuIRAr+VAJkBwmllPIbN3n5Xl7ISFcZJ8Qs++ACffLXn zS0CFYwAhMg8hf6kVajz3Mk= =xdMq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Sat, 4 Sep 2004, at 19:24:46 +0200, @ @ when Roelof Otten wrote: Remember that whenever you've made an absolute mess of it, you can delete your account.srb files (with TB closed) and TB will convert your v2 filters again (as long as you don't delete your account.srx files). Is there anywhere some documentation covering this NFS? For instance, listing the new features and differences as to OFS, and of how to convert OFS to NFS? - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBOg/q9q62QPd3XuIRAs9oAJ9SB0YnUPgle+onHrCuTEbtYQrf2QCeKk/W 4RAjGQ7JBWlVYR1csExe8jo= =xwL0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons
Hello Lynn! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 1:27 PM, you wrote: MDP And by using sensible handles, :grin: still looks reasonable as MDP 'grin' wrapped in colons - the intent preserved, whatever the MDP viewer. L Were we supposed to see a smilie on :grin:? Yes. Except it would not appear in the line above, because The Bat! reads the question mark as part of the string. A space after the final colon and before the beginning colon also, is needed: :grin: ? L If so, something is wrong with my config .. Question 1) Have you downloaded the Smiley.zip folder from PCWize and opened and moved its contents to The Bat!/Images folder? If you've done that, then you have a folder named pcwimages in the Images folder and a file named pcwsmileys.msl in the Images folder. If you haven't, you can get this download from http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php providing the page is up. There have been problems with the server this week, and currently I can't access the page. Question 2) If you do have the PCWSmileys folder and file in The Bat/Images, go to The Bat!/Images. On my machine the path is through Program files. Left double-click on the pcwimages folder and you'll find the image files alphabetically arranged. Question 3) Do you have this file: smiley_abzz.gif If so, great. So far, so good. Now left double-click--still in The Bat!/Images--on the pcwsmileys.msl file. A list of .msl lines will come up in Notepad. Question 4) Look down these and see if you have the following line: Smiley = .\pcwimages\smiley_abzz.gif, 0, :grin: Compare it exactly with the one above. If all these conditions are met, you should be seeing an animated grin for :grin: when Smileys are checked and when you are not using Plain Text View. Sorry to be so long and specific, if I've told you things you already know. Just wanted to give you the whole checklist, in case you don't even have the PCWSmileys images and file in The Bat!/Images and were expecting to see :grin: called from the Default images. -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator). http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters
Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:12:45 AM, you wrote: ASK Right-click on the Virtual Folder and open its ASK properties. There's a tab ASK Filter. Is the checkbox use filter ticked? Nothing is ticked in the properties for that filter except 'remove old messages' and 'compress the folder' .. actually, there was never any box checked on the filter tab. ASK Virtual Folders are being filtered into not the ASK common way. If you think of the messages in a ASK normal folder as a database, then a Virtual Folder ASK is a certain viewpoint to that database - by ASK defining Virtual Folder filter rules you tell the ASK virtual folder you only want to see messages of ASK this-and-that type (according to your filter rules). OK .. that's nice to know. ASK For example, you could track any private conversation ASK between you and me by creating a virtual folder that ASK watches your inbox and your sent-mail folder with a ASK filter applied so that it will show only messages ASK from/to you/me. And again .. but still doesn't apply. Thanks for trying though .. Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....
Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:44:32 AM, you wrote: It would certainly be a godsend if they'd all do that; I had to reload the system recently, too, but I am a *long* way from getting my apps all reinstalled .. and as you say, they are all sitting intact on the D partition, but unusable. M I won't say the Registry is the best of the M inventions but, think of something. What if you and M me were to share the same machine as different Windows M users (i.e. with different login). It's nice to know the thing has a valid application, but I'm still weeks from getting all my software reinstalled :-) Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Recovering from a crash....
Saturday, September 4, 2004, 2:13:09 AM, you wrote: JG (a) Anybody who touches *my* computer gets their JG fingers chopped off! rotfl! That's my position :-) Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Licence unhappiness?
Hello Allie, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 6:07:27 PM, you wrote: Tony, [T] wrote: The 1st thing I do after installing XP is reverting everything to classic w2k look. Choice. It's all a matter of choice. Roelof recently stated that TB! doesn't look any different to him since he still uses the glyph set he likes. With your glyph set and the classic Windows look, you'll not see any difference with TB!. The fact that you immediately switch to the classic look is testimony to the fact the even you care about the appearance of your applications. I never claimed diffrently. I even think a good UI takes a *lot* of development time. And is *very* important. But UI is more then icons. And I like TB! UI. That's why I bought it. And it's functionality of cource . http://www.thebatworld.de/system/sections/index.php?op=listarticlessecid=10 Thanks for this very useful link! And even if RitLabs hired 100 graphics artists TB! will never be main stream. It's targeted at a different market than Outlook. A market with people that are prepared to invest more time in an application. And I could be very wrong here but I think that kind of people are the ones that complain the most about bloatware. Yes. You could be wrong, and I do believe you're wrong on this unfounded assumption. On what statement? Not becoming main stream or bloatware? Main stream is a fact. Bloatware is not unfounded at all. It's just a feeling of years of 'being around' in none mainstream app communities. No I have no written proof about that statement. But you haven't either. On itself not. But somehow it often goes hand in hand with instability/bloating. Everything can be programmed bugfree. However company policy dictates how long is spend on tracking bugs. I disagree here. I'm saying that bugs are in TB!, And most likely in 99.9% of all programs of reasonable size. And I have no problems with it either. As long as the bugs are not to huge, and reasonable effort is made to fix them. many are frustrated with their bugs not being fixed, and many quite unreasonably cast a lot of blame/attention/emphasis on the changes being made to the user-interface appearance as being the reason for this. Agreed a icon with a different color doesn't make a program more buggy. But I can fully understand that users that have real problems with a certain bug rather would see RitLabs spend the X hours/$ they spend on the icons was spend on debugging. I've outlined a lot bigger development efforts/enhancements that are occurring concurrently. Overwhelming reasonably bugfree development with the simultaneous introduction of all these new components seems like the bigger problem here. All agreed. New functionality comes often with bugs. Simultaneous introduction of features quite likely borne of a strong desire to please customers. Probably. And I guess the part of the users that need that functionality are happy. To make myself clear adding 100 new features doesn't necessarily mean something becomes bloatware. But adding 10 new feature *can* make it bloatware. And stopping development isn't a good way either. That's actually what drove me away from Forte Agent. All taken in account TB! ranks as the best for my use. That probably would be a better approach. I do a little programming myself and I learned that debugging every feature before adding more functionality saves lots of time later. Yes. Seems reasonable and I witness this approach with MDaemon, my mailserver. They run an exemplary beta program with a top-notch and very stable mailserver resulting. Of course, there are always bugs being reported. :) As I wrote above bugs have to be expected unless it's programmed by a team of gods :-) But please, I'm personally really getting tired of the comments about what I'm allowed to say :-) I don't see how on earth I can really determine or have direct influence on what you choose or choose not to post here. I can only post my own opinion as well. Being tired of reading a particular sentiment is just another sentiment. It cannot and therefore should not be construed as a request to stop posting such a sentiment. Don't worry only a blacklist can stop me :-) If everybody shuts up how should RitLabs know what its users wants. And you selectively snipped all the stuff I said in favour of RitLabs to make it look like hate mail. Can we be reasonable here? No one is telling anyone here to shut up. The shut part was a general remark. Maybe 'feedback' would have been a better choice of words. Accusing me of making your mail out to be hate mail is a bit over the top too. I actually defended RitLabs in my original post. And in later posts including this one. But focusing on the icons makes it sound like hate mail. Besides I think you missed my point about icons and smilies. History has proven that it very often (not always) is a start of bloatware. (not always) This is my rebuttal. Not always.
Re: STEVEN, me and strange emails
Dear Lynn, @4-Sep-2004, 11:30 -0700 (04-Sep 19:30 UK time) Lynn [L] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Tom: TD Or, somebody could fix this problem? hm? L Only if they discover it .. if what is happening is the L way you describe, it must indeed be quiet for RL's support L team! You need to read my earlier reply on this topic. It's not a problem for RL's support team. None whatsoever. If you didn't keep the original, go search for the thread in the list archives. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpu8LIqG6SIA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hallo Mica, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:56:44 +0200GMT (4-9-2004, 20:56 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MM Is there anywhere some documentation covering this NFS? For instance, MM listing the new features and differences as to OFS, and of how to MM convert OFS to NFS? The only one available is the TB community. Mentioning ideas and experiences to each other. As far as converting OFS to NFS is concerned. Delete the NFS restart TB and it'll automatically translate the old filters to the new ones. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpv7f3DmDIvz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Licence unhappiness?
Hello Alexander, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 5:33:17 PM, you wrote: Hello Tony, 05-Sep-2004 00:48, you wrote: The 1st thing I do after installing XP is reverting everything to classic w2k look. You could as well discuss wether you like the beginning of the first track of insert-your-favorite-band-here's new CD, and how it evolves into the 2nd track. Wouldn't that be of topic? Warning: Never subscribe to a insert-your-favorite-band-here fan site :) It all depends so much on one's taste, its not worth to discuss differences in the personal liking of a user interface. IMHO, of course. IMHO too :-) Any GUI designer can't possible make it right for everyone. Its just impossible. TB! including the GUI (still) gets high marks from me. It's just that I'm using software for over 20 years and that a new version not always means a better version. Deal with it. :-) I'm trying Sir, I'm trying :-) -- Tony Why do people without a watch look at their wrist when you ask them what time it is? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Saturday, September 4, 2004, 11:32:31 AM, you wrote: MB Thanks for answering. :) No problem .. had I not got so far behind with my email, due to being gone yesterday, I'd have seen the previous posts describing the situation. Lynn -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No more colons
Saturday, September 4, 2004, 12:06:10 PM, you wrote: MB Sorry to be so long and specific, if I've told you MB things you already know. Just wanted to give you the MB whole checklist, in case you don't even have the MB PCWSmileys images and file in The Bat!/Images and were MB expecting to see :grin: called from the Default MB images. Ah .. that solves the problem :-) The default msi and images are there, but I can't get to the pcw site .. will try to remember to try later. tnx - Lynn -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
On Sat 4-Sep-04 11:29am -0400, MAU wrote: Most of my filters were converted correctly and are working with no problems. I had problems with a few that used Regex and, although being apparently correct, they were not working. I was about to upgrade to v3 today when I came upon this thread. This looked like a real deal breaker until I did some analysis of my own incoming filters. I only have 13 filters that contain RegEx and 12 of them are of the form: Presence: Yes Location: Kludges Strings:^(?i-s)reply-to: .*jpsoft[_.]support They all use either 'reply-to', 'return-path' or 'delivered-to'. From Roelof Otten's message, I can probably use the NFS form: Header Field - header_field_name - contains - except the example I gave - which will need '- match -' to handle what will now be simply 'jpsoft[_.]support' - if I've read correctly. But from what you both appear to be saying, the above RegEx may not work? If not, there's probably an easy way around that by using an '|' or an 'Alternates' - or whatever's equivalent in NFS. My 13th filter looks for a RegEx in any 'recipient' field. The RegEx is: ,.*,.*,|pobox\.com.*pobox\.com For anyone reading that's not familiar with RegEx, I'm looking, in any recipient field, for either (1) four or more addresses or (2) two or more addresses with the domain 'pobox.com'. I suspect I'm SOL if the RegEx mechanism is not working in v3. I'm pretty sure Ritlabs will fix that quickly, so I'll wait before downloading/registering v3. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is there any way to search for a phrase in TheBat!
Hi Lynn, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 8:07:39 PM, you wrote: Lynn Looks like we could use it, too! rotfl! Lynn I may bite the bullet on v.3 .. I have a pathological Lynn curiosity :-) A wiki is a great idea. I've bought my v.2 licence. I haven't been able to find anything else better, although there are other email clients that have features I wish TheBat! had. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Tony, [T] wrote: I never claimed diffrently. I even think a good UI takes a *lot* of development time. And is *very* important. But UI is more then icons. Sure, and this is why I keep saying 'user interface *appearance*'. The user interface as a whole is an entirely different thing to talk about. And even if RitLabs hired 100 graphics artists TB! will never be main stream. It's targeted at a different market than Outlook. A market with people that are prepared to invest more time in an application. And I could be very wrong here but I think that kind of people are the ones that complain the most about bloatware. Yes. You could be wrong, and I do believe you're wrong on this unfounded assumption. On what statement? The entire paragraph which seems to outline Ritlab's intended market segment. No I have no written proof about that statement. But you haven't either. This is why I usually make no claims in that regard. You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. The #1 perfectly rational reason for one not understanding why Ritlabs would waste time on feature X is that one isn't aware of the needs of the userbase Ritlabs currently serves or targets. Of course, close behind that #1 would be the more popular #2 which is that Ritlabs don't know what they're doing. Agreed a icon with a different color doesn't make a program more buggy. But I can fully understand that users that have real problems with a certain bug rather would see RitLabs spend the X hours/$ they spend on the icons was spend on debugging. Yes, I know the feeling. I've felt it before, but not with icons. I've felt it watching other major new features being added, while I suffer at a fundamental level with IMAP. Accusing me of making your mail out to be hate mail is a bit over the top too. I actually defended RitLabs in my original post. And in later posts including this one. But focusing on the icons makes it sound like hate mail. It was not my intention to do that. -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . The calm confidence of a Christian with four Aces. - M.Twain Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Lynn, [L] wrote: I'd rather be WARP'ed* * *Team OS/2 I'm a long time OS/2 user. I stopped using it in mid 1999. How's it going now with that OS. Is it still viable in that apps are being still actively developed for it? -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . Hard work must have killed someone! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Allie_M, [AM] wrote: I'm a long time OS/2 user. I stopped using it in mid 1999. How's it going now with that OS. Is it still viable in that apps are being still actively developed for it? Shucks! My booboo. I guess it could have been worse, but this was intended as an off-list message. I just replied instead of replying to sender. Argh! -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . IBM: It may be slow, but at least it's expensive. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hello Bill, BM I was about to upgrade to v3 today when I came upon this thread. This BM looked like a real deal breaker until I did some analysis of my own BM incoming filters. It has a trial period :) BM I only have 13 filters that contain RegEx and 12 of them are of the BM form: You can send to me some messages (or just their headers) for testing And old filters in .srx file BM My 13th filter looks for a RegEx in any 'recipient' field. The RegEx BM is: BM ,.*,.*,|pobox\.com.*pobox\.com Tested on syntetical generated message and works fine -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hello P.Johnson, PJ not. The condition for the TBUDL filter is: PJ Message Source - match - [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a bug with message source filtering which was already fixed. BTW, message source filtering is too expensive operation, there it is possible use header or text filtering -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
Hello Doug, 9Val There was a bug with message source filtering which was already fixed. 9Val BTW, message source filtering is too expensive operation, there it is 9Val possible use header or text filtering DW I don't think I understand this -- and does it mean one should always DW use header filtering rather than filter by one field in a header? No, it means only that when it is possible narrower type of search should be used. And therefore full message source search should be used quite rarely only for special purposes if you want to achieve better performance -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys go to Ignorewood (was: Re: Licence unhappiness?)
But I re-think that removing them from original messages wouldn't still do anything useful (because of interrupting a consistency of the original, whichever it can be). I made the original suggestion somewhat lightheartedly; I recognise that it would be difficult/impossible to implement. Still it would be nice. (There - no smiley) -- Regards Clive T Nursing the undeveloped TB 3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Hello Tony, 04-Sep-2004 09:38, you wrote: You could as well discuss wether you like the beginning of the first track of insert-your-favorite-band-here's new CD, and how it evolves into the 2nd track. Wouldn't that be of topic? LOL! It's just that I'm using software for over 20 years and that a new version not always means a better version. Yes, I find myself in the state of grumpy ol' unflexible blockhead incapable of adapting ma brane to sumpn new too - more often than I actually should. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The best way to make your dreams come true is to wake up. -- H. M. Power Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Some time around 09/04/2004 12:07:27, I think I heard Allie Martin say: I disagree here. I'm saying that bugs are in TB!, many are frustrated with their bugs not being fixed, and many quite unreasonably cast a lot of blame/attention/emphasis on the changes being made to the user-interface appearance as being the reason for this. I've outlined a lot bigger development efforts/enhancements that are occurring concurrently. Overwhelming reasonably bugfree development with the simultaneous introduction of all these new components seems like the bigger problem here. Simultaneous introduction of features quite likely borne of a strong desire to please customers. Allie: I believe you are missing the point. Its not that it is such a large programming effort to change the UI of the application and that those efforts could be diverted to debugging the application. The point is that focusing on the UI, however minor the modifications introduced, while there is a horde of outstanding, well documented bugs, shows an attitude that some of us think is very wrong; a lack of interest in prioritizing what should be most important. This is what Tony, me and many others complain about. Its not the icons -- and discussing whether having new and pretty icons is a good idea or not is petty, to say the least -- its the shift in development focus, or the lack thereof. I hope this clears things up better. -dZ. -- Powered by The Bat! v.2.12.00, Hindered by MS Windows 2000 v.5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 filter failure
On Sat 4-Sep-04 4:18pm -0400, 9Val wrote: BM I only have 13 filters that contain RegEx and 12 of them are of the BM form: You can send to me some messages (or just their headers) for testing And old filters in .srx file BM My 13th filter looks for a RegEx in any 'recipient' field. The RegEx BM is: BM ,.*,.*,|pobox\.com.*pobox\.com Tested on syntetical generated message and works fine Thanks, I'm fairly confident now that my filters will work fine and will be more efficient one I modify the 12 that can now use the new NFS feature of filtering on specific header lines - very nice idea. I went to the RiTlabs site to register and am totally confused about Home vs Pro. From what I've read here, they have identical executables. The Pro has the spell check files and some language files that can be downloaded, if you choose Home, from some unspecified location. Right? Does the executable turn off some features when it is presented a Home key? If so, what features are turned off? I don't mind spending an extra $6 or so for Pro, but I only speak one language - so I don't need those language files. However, I do want spell checking to work. The text on your home page says only that both are safe however Home is easy while Pro is efficient. I guess that if I have to choose, I prefer efficient. But if it's the same executable, how is Pro more efficient? Is there a time delay when the Home key is used? Could you please briefly clarify this confusing? Thanks 9Val! -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
Hallo DZ-Jay, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:05:39 -0400GMT (4-9-2004, 20:05 +0200, where I live), you wrote: DJ I believe you are missing the point. You might be overlooking Allie's point too. DJ The point is that focusing on the UI, however minor the DJ modifications introduced, while there is a horde of outstanding, DJ well documented bugs, shows an attitude that some of us think is DJ very wrong; a lack of interest in prioritizing what should be most DJ important. Whereas what Allie said was that Ritlabs had to satisfy a lot of customers. Some need another UI, some need one bugfix or another. When you're a company and 100 users need a bugfix and 1000 users need a UI (or state that they didn't buy the software because of the UI). You are one of those 100, so apparently you don't like the decision, but that doesn't make Ritlabs priorities wrong, only different from yours. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpDLCF1FgXiD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What is a natural email system?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, What makes The Bat a natural email system. Can someone please explain what this phrase means and why it is attached to The Bat? - -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 (2600-Service Pack 2) Ponder this: Defeat isn't bitter if you don't swallow it. = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.01) Total Spam Emails: 59 Total Clean Emails: 6 BayesIT guessed right 99.932203% of the time My email is 90.769231% spam = morning dayevening === 16:22 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQTpOhW2u7N+Qh+ieEQLk4gCgvMERY3kL9NBYW8+cShNibhQPLOUAn2Nx jFAAQqPiWo8VrjPBRJ65p/vc =L2w8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 12:41:16 PM, you wrote: It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug in file itself that needs to be changed. LS Could be. Has no one else this problem, or are all people out LS there working with admin rights for their accounts? I suspect that most win 2k users are set up with admin privledges, so they probably do not have that problem. Besides adjusting access for the plugin, you may need to 'fiddle' some other tb file rights as well. While I use win 2k regularly, I am not running TB on a win 2k system. Sorry I can't be more specific. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
Besides adjusting access for the plugin, you may need to 'fiddle' some other tb file rights as well. I have tried to give the users write rights to the installation folder of The Bat!. But that seems not to be the problem. Sorry I can't be more specific. Thank's to you any way :) -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.0.0 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Licence unhappiness?
On Fri 3-Sep-04 2:32pm -0400, Mary Bull wrote: I think that it loads faster upon launch, also. Mary, are you using the efficient version (pro) or the easy version (home)? -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
Hallo Michael, On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:23:42 -0700GMT (5-9-2004, 1:23 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. Advertising! -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgp99140n9ng4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is a natural email system?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Roelof, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Roelof mused about What is a natural email system? (at least in part): MLW What makes The Bat a natural email system. RO Advertising! nat·u·ral Pronunciation Key (nchr-l, nchrl) adj. 1. Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl. 2. Of, relating to, or concerning nature: a natural environment. 3. Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature: a natural death. 4. 1. Not acquired; inherent: Love of power is natural to some people. 2. Having a particular character by nature: a natural leader. 3. Biology. Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned: natural immunity; a natural reflex. 5. Characterized by spontaneity and freedom from artificiality, affectation, or inhibitions. See Synonyms at naive. 6. Not altered, treated, or disguised: natural coloring; natural produce. 7. Faithfully representing nature or life. 8. Expected and accepted: In Willie's mind marriage remained the natural and logical sequence to love (Duff Cooper). 9. Established by moral certainty or conviction: natural rights. 10. Being in a state regarded as primitive, uncivilized, or unregenerate. 11. 1. Related by blood: the natural parents of the child. 2. Born of unwed parents: a natural child. - -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 (2600-Service Pack 2) Ponder this: Think twice before you speak, especially if you intend to say what you think. = Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.6.01) Total Spam Emails: 55 Total Clean Emails: 6 BayesIT guessed right 99.945455% of the time My email is 90.163934% spam = morning dayevening =17:07 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQTpY4m2u7N+Qh+ieEQLrRgCg36L2DHq61rifFK3Gzu/cbdxImwoAn0CK jRuxDcvv68rHGpI7fQkN9iyC =wz4i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
