Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing
30 December 2006 - 17:29 Hello Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 5:26:42 PM, you wrote: MP http://www.antispamsniper.com/ G Thanks! It looks like it may be a keeper! Another fan here. It rarely makes a mistake and no apparent hit on performance. -- Best regards, William Flying with The Bat! Professional version 3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt Plugin missing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Greetings, I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. I can't swear it was there when I installed the latest version, since I also use K-9, which catches almost all spam. I tried the various download sites, but can't find a useable download - all of the sites give me a page not found error. Two questions: Is this a problem with the latest release? And where can I find the latest version so I can re-install it? - -- Thanks, Rick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.52 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJFlRC+AAoJELf6ImSjvaeWbvEQAK20Y1x++qaJx0vIxNPPCDqO nX+kSWLjYkSOsgklbcJNoomNrgHcyvJUvinOq5tV4K6aaGx+TPQ40/UgnHTMdnCV GV7jlkmWVxlKGalkhOnWBWVDTFu5OmZt7vNqNq4NIUtlDwNy7jvhiGliHCQeCWnM +uEjRjJwQcRes+PF2+p/2eq/9OSplA13qTOumA2N8dLR5aVIyJt9Ph5ULWtd3DMH 2Id8YnNgO+GQ0QQx5SKQz475Tb9bjZaOVfYQ+njG/Nr30B/mjOwlzT3PFGuUgbL7 cBt9GBy/1GVVu5pwqEzgSKiE45rVgpnJXWrSBesgy7VW5x0aqWDLfW5FSduDYNQv Q4sc5ki+FrHJOsErD4lHbqluww8Frv7pyE1Cb1FOuW2TISHpglO1wJEq/lmtEo6F wCXVMK30D2g0TVgfqcMstZU7eNgwMEbMmELUUAKSXlWAWZHwmyW7n1XN3Yk1y52Y 1jEnfDtU54Lno3Hkwez9c/f1MFpyIBObbjfXy6PhrwK6v9RkCAYbxakaR6/DvcKg A3WkXJW4bEcKXQE1yi+Fsgg0/ALtzI1IOvvRECS+xl8owdqP8ILTpzAdhWk6TF7d +zS4QWR4MZD/xwx5cY+NEllQ/0x5U63R09js4qaEPWFdXbcd8wYFTXXnN4OFYXJC DTLItKVDt6n1lzP4V0UB =z8T1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hi Richard, on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 13:57 +0100GMT here), you wrote: RHS Greetings, RHS I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and RHS all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. Here is what Maxim Masiutin wrote about this topic on TBBeta: ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | If you are using BayesIt filter plugin, please install | http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi | | BayesIt will be removed from The Bat! Home and Professional MSI. | This means that when you will install a new MSI of The Bat!, it will | remove BayesIt. To keep BayesIt preserved, please install | bayesit.msi before or after installing the new The Bat! MSI. `- -- Cheers Peter Pepsi Brings You Back to Life was translated into Chinese as Pepsi Brings Your Ancestors Back from the Grave. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Richard, Friday, December 29, 2006, 7:57:57 AM, you wrote: RHS -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- RHS Hash: SHA256 RHS Greetings, RHS I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and RHS all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. I can't swear it was RHS there when I installed the latest version, since I also use K-9, which RHS catches almost all spam. I tried the various download sites, but can't RHS find a useable download - all of the sites give me a page not found RHS error. RHS Two questions: Is this a problem with the latest release? And where RHS can I find the latest version so I can re-install it? Yes, the installation of (3.95.6) seems to delete all files associated with BayesIt except bayeslogger.exe. I'm not *sure* that this is the first release that causes that, though. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Peter, Friday, December 29, 2006, 8:41:57 AM, you wrote: PM Hi Richard, PM on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 13:57 +0100GMT here), PM you wrote: RHS Greetings, RHS I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and RHS all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. PM Here is what Maxim Masiutin wrote about this topic on TBBeta: PM ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] PM | If you are using BayesIt filter plugin, please install PM | http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi PM | PM | BayesIt will be removed from The Bat! Home and Professional MSI. PM | This means that when you will install a new MSI of The Bat!, it will PM | remove BayesIt. To keep BayesIt preserved, please install PM | bayesit.msi before or after installing the new The Bat! MSI. PM `- This begs the question, where is all of the training information kept? The above instructions are not satisfactory if every time you update The Bat! you lose all of your training data. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 15:53:07, you wrote: Yes, the installation of (3.95.6) seems to delete all files associated with BayesIt except bayeslogger.exe. No, it only deletes the program files of BayesIt, not the database of spam/ham messages. We have removed BayesIt because it is quite unstable, we'd recommend to use another plugin. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hallo Richard, On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29-12-2006, 13:57 , where I live), you wrote: RHS I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and RHS all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. I can't swear it was RHS there when I installed the latest version, The BayesIt plug-in is no longer included. It can be downloaded separately from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi RHS Two questions: Is this a problem with the latest release? It's deliberate. -- Groetjes, Roelof The longer the title, the less important the job. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgppkhSV4VQYq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Maxim, Friday, December 29, 2006, 9:25:04 AM, you wrote: MM Hello Gene, MM Friday, December 29, 2006, 15:53:07, you wrote: Yes, the installation of (3.95.6) seems to delete all files associated with BayesIt except bayeslogger.exe. MM No, it only deletes the program files of BayesIt, not the database of spam/ham messages. MM We have removed BayesIt because it is quite unstable, we'd recommend to use another plugin. Ok... nice. Just really, really, nice I started looking on Ritlabs.com and found that no anti-spam software was really current...except for one.. AGAVA which was... Developed with the assistance of the Ritlabs company, the designer of The Bat! High quality of spam filtering guaranteed! So, I go to http://www.antispamservant.com/bat_plugin.shtml for the Free plugin as described, The free version is fully functional and does not contain any limitations. I downloaded and prepared to install the plugin. Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate your copy. So, what I get for free is adware. Nice. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:33:30 PM, you wrote: G Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product G includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search G Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate G your copy. G So, what I get for free is adware. Nice. I use this one: (paid version) and am very satisfied with it: http://www.antispamsniper.com/ I a using Beta 1.8.0.1... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 17:33:30, you wrote: I started looking on Ritlabs.com and found that no anti-spam software was really current... http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/detail.php?ID=1463phrase_id=35322 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/plugins.php -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Dear Gene, Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate your copy. In fact I registered my copy AGAVA and tmasrv.exe is still showing up as a running process in Task Manager. I can't find this adware under Add/Remove Programs. How do I remove it? Best regards, Loek van Kooten -- Akebono Translation Service Rijnstraat 32 2311 NK Leiden The Netherlands Tel: +31-71-5128026 Fax: +31-84-7390618 www.akebono.nl Algemene voorwaarden: www.akebono.nl/algemeen.doc Terms and conditions: www.akebono.nl/terms.doc Reg.no. Chamber of Commerce: 28066372 IMPORTANT: All delivery dates stated in quotes are as of the moment the quote was sent and can change as soon as other projects come in. BELANGRIJK: Bij alle leveringsdata in offertes gaan we uit van de agenda op dat moment. De data kunnen wijzigen zodra er andere projecten binnenkomen. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Maxim, Friday, December 29, 2006, 11:15:59 AM, you wrote: I started looking on Ritlabs.com and found that no anti-spam software was really current... MM http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/detail.php?ID=1463phrase_id=35322 No updates since August 28, 2005? MM http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/plugins.php K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? Spamihilator I don't speak German, plus it requires a log-in. SpamPal If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet AGAVAFree Adware AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now In short, the Ritlabs web site is just a mess outdated information, outdated and broken links, pages in a language that the reader doesn't speak, and stuff that nobody (*especially* Ritlabs employees) has checked out. I even wrote sales (twice) and warned them that this link (and others like it) were still proudly displayed on their website http://cu2.home.comcast.net/downloads.htm ... but I guess they don't mind. I really love The Bat!, but the documentation is nearly nil and the web site is in great need of a makeover. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote: AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now I have been using this for some months now, and have found it very good. After training for a couple of days, I only very rarely get a good email labelled as spam and only occasionally does a spam get into my mail box. A much better experience than I had with BayesIt, and I thought it well worth the money. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Graham, Friday, December 29, 2006, 12:06:52 PM, you wrote: GS Hello Gene, GS Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote: AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now GS I have been using this for some months now, and have found it very GS good. After training for a couple of days, I only very rarely get a good GS email labelled as spam and only occasionally does a spam get into my GS mail box. GS A much better experience than I had with BayesIt, and I thought it GS well worth the money. Thanks! You are the second person to suggest this program. It looks like it may well be worth it! I never really had poor performance from BayesIt, but I do like this program's UI. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Akebono, Friday, December 29, 2006, 11:18:51 AM, you wrote: ATS Dear Gene, Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate your copy. ATS In fact I registered my copy AGAVA and tmasrv.exe is still ATS showing up as a running process in Task Manager. I can't find ATS this adware under Add/Remove Programs. ATS How do I remove it? I have no clue! As soon as I saw that it was Adware I aborted the install however, I note that I *also* have tmasrv.exe running. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Mark, Friday, December 29, 2006, 10:47:34 AM, you wrote: MP Hello Gene, MP Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:33:30 PM, you wrote: G Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product G includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search G Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate G your copy. G So, what I get for free is adware. Nice. MP I use this one: (paid version) and am very satisfied with it: MP http://www.antispamsniper.com/ MP I a using Beta 1.8.0.1... Thanks! It looks like it may be a keeper! -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Friday, December 29, 2006, Gene wrote: SpamPal If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet Hopefully, the world is a nice place and the Russian page should be roughly equivalent to the official TB-info from SpamPal http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html -- Urban Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent. Lincoln's mother died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which he built with his own hands. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves by signing the Emasculation Proclamation. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Urban, Friday, December 29, 2006, 12:49:40 PM, you wrote: U Friday, December 29, 2006, Gene wrote: SpamPal If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet U Hopefully, the world is a nice place and the Russian page should be U roughly equivalent to the official TB-info from SpamPal U http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html Thanks! That looks to be a bit more work to set up, but has excellent directions. I'll check them out -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hi Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote: AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now I've used AntispamSniper for quite a few months now and my experience has been quite good. Looking at my stats, I've received 33454 messages and the error rate is 1.55%, of which false negatives are 1.21% and false positives 0.33%. A -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing
Roelof, Friday, December 29, 2006, 8:35:28 AM, you wrote: RO The BayesIt plug-in is no longer included. It can be downloaded RO separately from: RO http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi Thanks. I guess I should read release notes more thoroughly. I don't depend on BayesIt for the most part, since K9 has proved to be remarkably accurate (99.6% typically, with only a false positive every few months), but I've used BayesIt in tandem, hoping it would catch the few that do slip through. So far, it hasn't, so maybe it's time to check out the others. -- Rick Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hi Gene, on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:55:45 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 17:55 +0100GMT here), you wrote: G K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? So what? It works very well. I only replaced it by AntiSpamSniper (free version) because I preferred a plugin to an extra application working as a proxy. Both programs are very efficient as they are. :) -- Cheers Peter A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Richard H. Stoddard everyone else, on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:19 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote: K9 has proved to be remarkably accurate (99.6% typically, with only a false positive every few months) Are you sure it is a false positive, ie. a legitimate message being falsely classified as spam? I'm only asking because I'm using K9 for years (at least it feels like that, I've been using it on my old Windows installation, and now on this one, which will probably be the last, anyway:-) and never ever had a false positive. Excerpt from my K9 statistics: Column 1: Since Mi Mrz 08 2006 06:57:27 (296 days) Column 2: Since Mo Jun 05 2006 10:32:59 (207 days) Number of emails re-classified to Good 0 0 Number of emails re-classified to Spam6356 Percent misidentified as Spam (false positives)0.00% 0.00% Percent misidentified as Good (false negatives)0.34% 0.45% 99.66%99.55% -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) In a way, science must be described as paranoid thinking applied to nature: we are looking for natural conspiracies, for connections among apparently disparate data. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:53 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: G K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? So what? It works very well. I just wanted to say the same. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) You cannot kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Alexander, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:31:31 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, ASK on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:53 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: G K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? So what? It works very well. ASK I just wanted to say the same. ;-) I guess it would be foolish of me not to give that one a chance, too Thanks for the heads-up -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Plugin missing
Alexander, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:30:17 PM, you wrote: ASK Are you sure it is a false positive, ie. a legitimate message being ASK falsely classified as spam? Definitely - I check the log daily, and once in awhile something gets tagged. It happens so rarely it isn't a problem, especially since I can whitelist it if it was from a friend. -- Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit! Confusion
Hello all, Thursday, July 13, 2006, Bill McCarthy wrote: I had been using Bayesit! for a few years with fairly good success on my laptop. About two months ago, my laptop developed a hardware problem and I switched to my wife's desktop (XP Pro SP2). I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it catch nothing :-( try AntispamSniper plugin, which is available in free version now too: www.antispamsniper.com -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.81.08 Beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 1.6.2 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit! Confusion
MM try AntispamSniper plugin, which is available in free version now too: MM www.antispamsniper.com Well if we are mentioning alternatives .. agava's Bat plugin works great for me. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.07 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit! Confusion
Hello TB Users and Beta Lists, I had been using Bayesit! for a few years with fairly good success on my laptop. About two months ago, my laptop developed a hardware problem and I switched to my wife's desktop (XP Pro SP2). I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it catch nothing :-( Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a bit confused. From my log file: C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\spamdict.bye C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\nspamdict.bye Spam frequency dictionary: Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. Non-spam frequency dictionary: Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... No current recalculation session. Silent exiting... There is, of course, no such bayesitbase subdirectory. Looking at the Bayesit! configuration (under Basic filter's options), I noticed that I had browsed to c:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit for the working directory. When I manually added the trailing backslash, the log file showed me that it could now find both spamdict.bye and nspamdict.bye. That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not found any spam (I guess training is just starting now). However, looking at the Information page is see: Spam frequency dictionary: C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\spamdict.bye Size: 1386 letters. Capacity: 81940 words. Non-spam frequency dictionary: C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\nspamdict.bye Size: 13135 letters. Capacity: 649383 words. Current active dictionary: Currently active dictionary contains 155617 words. Status: OK Please notice the '\\' in those filenames. Anyone else seeing these problems? I am currently running the most recent announced beta, although I do not believe this is a beta issue - so I am including both mailing lists. -- Best regards, Bill TB! Pro :beta: 3.81.07 Beta BayesIt! 0.8.4 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative
I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it catch nothing :-( Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a bit confused. That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not found any spam (I guess training is just starting now). I tried BayesIT again recently and found it getting things totally wrong - it ended up 'refusing' to classify anything in one email account. After taking advice from this list a while back - I am now using K9 with absolutely wonderfully, accurate, consistent, and so easily configurable results. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.80.06 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative
On Thu 13-Jul-06 2:33pm -0600, Marten Gallagher wrote: I tried BayesIT again recently and found it getting things totally wrong - it ended up 'refusing' to classify anything in one email account. After taking advice from this list a while back - I am now using K9 with absolutely wonderfully, accurate, consistent, and so easily configurable results. Thanks for the advice. Does it work with X-Ray? -- Best regards, Bill TB! Pro :beta: 3.81.07 Beta BayesIt! 0.8.4 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative
...I am now using K9 Thanks for the advice. Does it work with X-Ray? Dunno - but here's the site... http://keir.net/k9_faq.html I don;t use X-Ray any more - got my own SMTP server arrangement so don't need to switch servers when around and about. and I guess you know the X-Ray support page: http://www.xrayapp.com/xray/support.html -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.80.06 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Does BayesIt actually work?
I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc. I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters installed, I have imported a blacklist. Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving. Are tohers more successful with theior installations? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.80.06 with BayesIt 2.0.4 on Windows XP 5.1 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Does BayesIt actually work?
Hello Marten, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 1:58:32 PM, you wrote: MG I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc. MG I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters MG installed, I have imported a blacklist. MG Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving. MG Are tohers more successful with theior installations? Unfortunately I have not seen any Bayesit support in ages. -- Best regards, dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Does BayesIt actually work?
Hello Marten, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 1:58:32 PM, you wrote: MG I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc. MG I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters MG installed, I have imported a blacklist. MG Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving. MG Are tohers more successful with theior installations? I used to use it. I moved to Agvara ant think it (mostly) works better. I found that it took a **LOT** of mail to train it. I kept at least 1,000 spam and 1,000 ham messages around just to train it. I got it to better than 80% without using a white or black list and I *NEVER* got a false positive with it. Agvara gets about 95% of my spam but I do have to go through the spam because I get the occasional false positive with it. So the end result is that it works, but is a more 'finiky'. But it is also free g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Does BayesIt actually work?
Hello Marten, Thursday, May 18, 2006, 1:58:32 PM, you wrote: MG I have spent two days now feeding BayesIT and adjsuting the limits etc. MG I have imported a whitelist and added to it, I have the regex filters MG installed, I have imported a blacklist. MG Still it fails to pick up half of the spams arriving. MG Are tohers more successful with theior installations? I used to use it. I moved to Agvara ant think it (mostly) works better. I found that it took a **LOT** of mail to train it. I kept at least 1,000 spam and 1,000 ham messages around just to train it. I got it to better than 80% without using a white or black list and I *NEVER* got a false positive with it. Agvara gets about 95% of my spam but I do have to go through the spam because I get the occasional false positive with it. Hmmm thnaks all for the comments. Have ditched it and gone back to Agava - tks -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.80.06 with POPFile 0.22.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt buttons gone
The nice little BayesIt icons to Mark as Junk or Mark as Good (probably not the right wording) disappeared after my most recent upgrade. Can anyone tell me how to restore them? Thanks in advance. -- Best, M-K Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt - whitelist
I am having a bit of trouble getting BayesIt sorted out I have a whitelist into which I placed all Good email address but BayesIT seems to have prepended each line with TEXT: Does that mean it is looking in the body of the email for that? In which case do I just change the TEXT: to say FROM: or what. I can't find anything about the format of a whitelist ands what prefixes can be at the start of a line. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.80.06 with BayesIt 2.0.4 on Windows XP 5.1 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Hallo Max, On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:59:04 + (UTC)GMT (12-2-2006, 3:59 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M I should have been clearer in my original message. The problem is that these M notices do not go away. They occur everytime I start The Bat!. I've followed M their instructions and specified the minimum value in TB! preferences, but it M continues to ask me on startup. Did you configure BayesIt properly? (Told it where to find its files?) M PS: I posted this via the gmane web interface, which is the reason I didn't M include the signature cut mark. I'll do it manually this time and hopefully it M will work. Works fine now. -- Groetjes, Roelof Blessed are the pessimistic, for they hath made backups. The Bat! 3.70.08 Qigong (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpLusgiSdgrU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you configure BayesIt properly? (Told it where to find its files?) That was the problem. It seems that when you tell the installer to move the MAIL directory elsewhere, Bayesit will still think its configuration information is in the default MAIL location. Thanks for the help Roelof. -- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Hi all, Today I upgraded to the latest version of TB! and enabled on-the-fly encryption. Now when I start TB!, I am prompted to enter the OFTE password. After doing so, I receive 2 warning notices related to Bayesit. The first says: It seems that you use encrypted The Bat! Please, provide the minimal value from Move to junk folder and delete letter (see Preferences Antispam menu in The Bat!) The second says: If you would like to change this value in future, delete the key spam threshold in advanced.ini file, and this window will re-appear next time you run The Bat! After clicking OK to each, TB starts as normal. The only thing I did differently in the installation was to specify that TB should store my mail in My Documents rather than its own directory. Does anyone have any idea on what I need to do to get rid of these messages? My searches have yielded nothing. Thanks! Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Hallo Max, On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:13:39 + (UTC)GMT (11-2-2006, 13:13 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M The first says: It seems that you use encrypted The Bat! Please, provide the M minimal value from Move to junk folder and delete letter (see Preferences M Antispam menu in The Bat!) Well, it's correct about you using an encrypted message base, so just do what it tells you to do. I can remember having to do the same when I started with OTFE, back then I was still using BayesIt. M Does anyone have any idea on what I need to do to get rid of these messages? My M searches have yielded nothing. When you follow the instructions of the first message, the second will disappear too. -- Groetjes, Roelof Atari computers make great boat anchors The Bat! 3.70.08 Qigong (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpDuY9gV9Z32.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption)
Hallo Max, On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:13:39 + (UTC)GMT (11-2-2006, 13:13 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M Does anyone have any idea on what I need to do to get rid of these messages? My M searches have yielded nothing. M Thanks! M M Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Max. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator: Person with a parity error between the ears. pgpM6mZowzqH2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it's correct about you using an encrypted message base, so just do what it tells you to do. I can remember having to do the same when I started with OTFE, back then I was still using BayesIt. I should have been clearer in my original message. The problem is that these notices do not go away. They occur everytime I start The Bat!. I've followed their instructions and specified the minimum value in TB! preferences, but it continues to ask me on startup. What else could I try? PS: I posted this via the gmane web interface, which is the reason I didn't include the signature cut mark. I'll do it manually this time and hopefully it will work. -- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:34:45 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: Yes, I just registered my copy a couple of days ago. In most ways it works better than BayesIt, but I still get more false positives with it than with BayesIt. But I am still tweeking the settings g What settings are you currently using? I have set it up as follows: Out of 100 score: Average Delete a message: No Move a message to Junk: Yes, with score greater than 50 Move messages marked as junk to the Junk Folder: Yes Use the common junk folder: No -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and AGAVA 2.1.6 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Friday, January 13, 2006, 4:02:24 AM, you wrote: B What settings are you currently using? B I have set it up as follows: B Out of 100 score: Average B Delete a message: No B Move a message to Junk: Yes, with score greater than 50 B Move messages marked as junk to the Junk Folder: Yes B Use the common junk folder: No The only difference I have is my junk score is currently up to 15. I had it down into the single digits for BayesIt g I have been sneaking it up, but slowly. Just one or two points a week. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:35:01 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: Ahh, I get it now. My explanation of the behavior of the '~' file is, I think, still correct. As to why you are not seeing any spam filtering, if you your black and white lists are doing was much as you say, I think that means that not much mail is getting to the actual BayesIt filter to be counted. Having said that, would have expected some info there. I can send you a copy of my stat.bin if you think that might help. Or uninstall / reinstall the plug in might help. My stat.bin is a binary file, so there may be a required structure for it to be recognized as a valid stat file. Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up with my batch of spam emails and its working very well. It certainly *seems* a lot easier to get going than BayesIt! -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Thursday, January 12, 2006, 12:58:48 AM, you wrote: B Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I B have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up B with my batch of spam emails and its working very well. Ive been using it for almost the full 30 days. I like it as well. After training a few emails its working well. Ill probably end up purchasing it. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Darrin, Thursday, January 12, 2006, 9:34:29 AM, you wrote: D Hello Barry, D Thursday, January 12, 2006, 12:58:48 AM, you wrote: B Well, I've taken your lead and installed a copy of AGAVA for a trial. And I B have to say that first impressions are pretty favourable. I trained it up B with my batch of spam emails and its working very well. D Ive been using it for almost the full 30 days. I like it as well. D After training a few emails its working well. Ill probably end up D purchasing it. Yes, I just registered my copy a couple of days ago. In most ways it works better than BayesIt, but I still get more false positives with it than with BayesIt. But I am still tweeking the settings g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
No Bayesit Stats
Hi I've noticed that BayesIt doesn't seem to be saving any stats. Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix? -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 6:43:22 AM, you wrote: B Hi B I've noticed that BayesIt doesn't seem to be saving any stats. B Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix? I can't look at the moment 'cuz I am currently testing out AGAVA. But I seem to recall seeing stats when I did use it. There were 4 that I remember looking at ... correctly filtered spam and ham, mis-filtered for both as well. My goal was to keep ham classified as spam as close to zero as possible. I think BayesIt was better than any of the other filters I have tried in terms of not putting ham in the spam folder. But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:02:25 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results g Well, for sure, but I've been running 'FileMon' and it seems to me that BayesIt isn't working quite right. It seems as if it tries to open ~stat.bin as well as stat.bin. Unfortunately ~stat.bin doesn't exist. I tried making a copy of stat.bin and renaming it to ~stat.bin but BayesIt just deletes it at the end of the session. If I remove both files then BayesIt doesn't recreate either, which I would have expected it to do. -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 10:09:55 AM, you wrote: B On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:02:25 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: But I wasn't particularly 'religious' about checking the stats. I was more interested in the results g B Well, for sure, but I've been running 'FileMon' and it seems to me that B BayesIt isn't working quite right. It seems as if it tries to open B ~stat.bin as well as stat.bin. Unfortunately ~stat.bin doesn't exist. I B tried making a copy of stat.bin and renaming it to ~stat.bin but BayesIt B just deletes it at the end of the session. B If I remove both files then BayesIt doesn't recreate either, which I would B have expected it to do. Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. As to the '~' file, that is a common practice for naming temp files that are temp backups for open files. For example word does that as well. The '~' files are deleted when they are no longer needed ... usually g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
Barry @ 1/11/2006 5:43:22 AM No Bayesit Stats mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone else noticed this or can anyone suggest a fix? This is a shot in the dark. Are the permissions on the stats file correct? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Clearly misunderstood pgplkWX0PN14M.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. Mike, I think we may be at crossed purposes here. :) My filtering is working very well. I use whitelist and blacklist extensively and this seems to be the best approach. I just sometimes look at the stats for interest and was surprised to see that Bayesit was reporting 'nil' spam! This got me thinking and that's when digging deeper I noticed the apparent issue with the 'stat.bin' file? -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Bayesit Stats
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:57:43 -0600, Chris wrote: This is a shot in the dark. Are the permissions on the stats file correct? As far as I can tell. FileMon shows that Bayesit is accessing the file to read it but just doesn't seem to write anything. But I don't know whether this file stat.bin is the log file or not? Perhaps someone could let me know? I did once come across an installation/upgrade problem in the past where if a file doesn't exist BayesIt doesn't seem to be clever enough to create it...so I'm wondering if this is the problem here. -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.64.01 (Christmas Edition) and BayesIt! 0.8.4 Release Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Bayesit Stats
Hello Barry, Wednesday, January 11, 2006, 12:16:23 PM, you wrote: B On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:56 -0500, MikeD (2) wrote: B Well I have never dug into it quite that deeply, but it sounds like those files are only used for calculating stats, not for the actual filtering, so their not being around should not cause a filter issue. B B Mike, I think we may be at crossed purposes here. :) I wasn't sure ... when you said no spam I thought maybe you meant it wasn't catching any g B My filtering is working very well. I use whitelist and blacklist B extensively and this seems to be the best approach. B I just sometimes look at the stats for interest and was surprised to see B that Bayesit was reporting 'nil' spam! This got me thinking and that's when B digging deeper I noticed the apparent issue with the 'stat.bin' file? Ahh, I get it now. My explanation of the behavior of the '~' file is, I think, still correct. As to why you are not seeing any spam filtering, if you your black and white lists are doing was much as you say, I think that means that not much mail is getting to the actual BayesIt filter to be counted. Having said that, would have expected some info there. I can send you a copy of my stat.bin if you think that might help. Or uninstall / reinstall the plug in might help. My stat.bin is a binary file, so there may be a required structure for it to be recognized as a valid stat file. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt Plug-in
Hello tbudl, This may sound like a really dumb question, but I downloaded the rar for the BayseIt plug in, and expanded it. How do I install it? -- Best regards, lists Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome. - Booker T. Washington TB! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plug-in
Hallo Steve, On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:43:25 -0700GMT (30-8-2005, 15:43 +0200, where I live), you wrote: ST This may sound like a really dumb question, but I downloaded the rar ST for the BayseIt plug in, and expanded it. How do I install it? Extract them to a random directory (doesn't matter much which). Let's take \Program Files\Tbe Bat!\BayesIt\ (just because that's what I'm using.) Now via TB's menu: Options - Preferences - Protection\Anti SPAM - Add Browse to the location where you stored BayesIt Configure BayesIt with the matching button and you're about done. When you've already installed a previous version for BayesIt, just close TB and copy the archive contents over the older version. -- Groetjes, Roelof This is just one humble opinion, collect the whole series The Bat! 3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpEcZSQsI4ZC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Plug-in
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, August 30, 2005, 9:23:09 AM, you wrote: RO Extract them to a random directory (doesn't matter much which). Let's RO take \Program Files\Tbe Bat!\BayesIt\ (just because that's what I'm RO using.) RO Now via TB's menu: RO Options - Preferences - Protection\Anti SPAM - Add RO Browse to the location where you stored BayesIt RO Configure BayesIt with the matching button and you're about done. RO When you've already installed a previous version for BayesIt, just RO close TB and copy the archive contents over the older version. That gets it installed. You still have to train it with as much spam and ham (i.e. good messages) as you can before it will start helping you by classifying with any reliability. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
On 8/21/05, Jeff Gaines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9 now and find it much better. AOL that. I've never gotten BayesIt to work, and I'm not the most computer-illiterate person out there. When c't Magazin (renowned German computer mag) tested several mail clients, TB among them, they couldn't get it to work, either. Go figure. I've been using K9 for about two year now and find it great. It's tiny, very fast, and very reliable. Roman -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Jeff, Sunday, August 21, 2005, 11:21:58 PM, you wrote: JG I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9 JG now and find it much better. And, for a flipside, I've found it great. As an example,one of my accounts had 68 messages in it when I returned home tonight. One of them was legitimate. All the rest was spam. BayesIt and Bayes Spam Filter, working together, automatically deleted 62 messages. They let through the one legitimate one. One ended up in the Junk folder, and four ended up in my inbox. The four in my inbox were all very short messages, and an analysis of my logs shows that it was Bayes Spam Filter that let them through - it's been running alongside BayesIt for a while now, but seems to take longer to train. In my experience, I've never seen something as easy and simple to set up as BayesIT, or as quick to get working - I installed it a long time ago, marked all my mail as ham and/or spam, and then started marking mail that got through. After a week, it was incredibly rare to see anything slip past. They key seems to be the training - but BayesIt makes that very easy. Sadly, it also doesn't make it very clear that you have to train it in both ham and spam... -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Jeff Gaines said... Hello Group On Sunday, August 21, 2005, 8:33:48 PM, P. wrote: So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that helps. I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9 now and find it much better. Yup. I've not had to use the white or black lists with K9 either. When using BayesIt, the lists became unmanageable. And you can't resize the dialog sigh and why is it modal? Actually, thinking about it, there's a lot of modal nonsense going on in TB. Grrr. But, on a happy note, K9 is the dog's ;-) -- Best, Marc Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Feli, On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all... FW did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the FW whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder. PJ I haven't trained with ham yet, no, since it hasn't put good mails PJ into the junk folder either. I misspoke -- it *was* putting good mails into the junk folder. Thanks for alerting me. So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that helps. Thanks again. -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Group On Sunday, August 21, 2005, 8:33:48 PM, P. wrote: So, BayseIt is definitely not working. I've tweaked the settings and guess I'll wait for the onslaught of spam on Monday to see if that helps. I found BayesIt very poor even after training. I have switched to K9 now and find it much better. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Using TheBat! 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello, I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the default settings. I know there have been problems with Bayesit in the past but hoped these had been solved. I am thinking of switching to Bayes Filter, which worked well for me until I upgraded to a higher TB! version. Anyone have experience or suggestions for either of these programs? If I didn't want to try built-in spam software, I would go back to K9 which worked very well and which I would recommend. Thank you in advance, -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hallo Pat, On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:30:33 -0500GMT (20-8-2005, 18:30 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the PJ default settings. Same happened to, I don't really know what I changed, but somehow it started to work. What is the score before you move a message to JUNK? Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam I've got it to be triggered on 40, when BayesIt doesn't catch all of your spam, you can set that lower. -- Groetjes, Roelof What youth deemed crystal, age finds was dew. The Bat! 3.60.02.0 Forerunner (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpiY4Djt3VSc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Pat, On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:30:33 -0500GMT P.Johnson wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the PJ default settings. did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder. -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Feli, On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the PJ default settings. FW did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the FW whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder. I haven't trained with ham yet, no, since it hasn't put good mails into the junk folder either. In other words, it seems to be doing nothing at all. As Roelof suggested, maybe I should give it a little more time ( or should I... why not just install something that works out of the box)? But I will try some ham training as you suggest. Thank you so much for your help. -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION -- 8/20/2005 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hi Roelof, On Saturday, August 20, 2005, , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. RO Same happened to, I don't really know what I changed, but somehow RO it started to work. What is the score before you move a message to RO JUNK? Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam I've got it to be RO triggered on 40, when BayesIt doesn't catch all of your spam, you RO can set that lower. I've reset that option and hope it will now work! Thanks, Roelof. -- Best wishes, Pat Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION -- 8/20/2005 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit and build 30?
Hi I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1 For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to set up the Bayesit plug in. I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal. Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build 30? -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.5.25 and BayesIt! 0.8.1 Release Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry! On Friday, July 08, 2005, 2:36 AM, you wrote: Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build 30? It's a known bug in the .msi which wrapped .30. We've been testing RL's fix on TBBETA--as v. 3.51--and when it's certain that no new bug crept in while putting the Bayesit function back, Maxim has said that v. 3.51 will be placed on the public download page. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! beta 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry, Friday, July 8, 2005, 2:36:40 AM, you wrote: B Hi B I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my B copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1 B For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace B it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and B when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to B set up the Bayesit plug in. B I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal. B Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build B 30? It wasn't a problem here for any of the versions I tried in that sequence, but that seems to be the way with these sorts of things. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you other than to try either: 1.) running through one or more of the intervening updates and see if there is something that needed to be 'tweeked' between 25 and 30 to make it work right. 2.) try one of the later builds to see if it was just a quirk of the 30 build. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry, B I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my B copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1 B For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace B it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and B when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to B set up the Bayesit plug in. B I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal. B Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build B 30? Yes, it is known, unfortunately. Hopefully v3.51 will be out soon. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt 0.8.1
It's a piece of crap... I should have made a Hungarian description for the 0.8.1, I have tried to install new LNG file, no success at me and some other buddies. At some guy it has changed to Hungarian, but after restart, it is English again. Was it ever tested? -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote: B Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit B blacklist.txt file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my Hi Barry, Don't you mean the filters.txt file ? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat. -- Will Rogers Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:17:24 +0200, Gerard wrote: ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote: B Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit B blacklist.txt file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my Hi Barry, Don't you mean the filters.txt file ? Nope, definitely blacklist.txt and whitelist.txt, which are both used in my BayesIt folder (location as specified in the options for BayesIt) and are reported in the bayesit.log file as being used. Unless anyone else knows any different! ;) -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.5 and BayesIt! 0.8.1 Release Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit Add In
Hello Group On Thursday, May 26, 2005, 9:08:08 AM, Barry wrote: [snipped] Many thanks Vili, MikeD and Barry. I switched to BayesFilter and I'm training it. For some reason TB! is not retaining this add in between sessions, I have to keep adding it at the start of a session, although it seems to maintain its training. I am running as admin on XP Pro SP2, anybody else come across this? -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 1:36:47 PM, you wrote: B On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:17:24 +0200, Gerard wrote: ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote: B Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit B blacklist.txt file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my Hi Barry, Don't you mean the filters.txt file ? B Nope, definitely blacklist.txt and whitelist.txt, which are both used in my B BayesIt folder (location as specified in the options for BayesIt) and are B reported in the bayesit.log file as being used. B Unless anyone else knows any different! ;) Barry, I was talking about Bayes Filter. There you should place it in the Filters.dat file. There is a separate tab for all the regexp stuff. My mistake, sorry. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -Frank Herbert, Dune- Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jeff, On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:11:05 +0100 (8:11 AM here), Jeff Gaines [JG] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JG I switched to BayesFilter and I'm training it. For some reason TB! JG is not retaining this add in between sessions, I have to keep JG adding it at the start of a session, although it seems to maintain JG its training. Close The Bat! and locate and edit this file with your favorite text editor: Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\BatMail\TBPlugin.ini Mine is appended below. Make sure the Count=3 line matches the number of plugins that you have configured in the [Plugins] area. Just for reference, all of my plugins are located in subdirectories under C:\Program Files\The Bat!. [AntiSpam] ScoreType=0 Delete=0 Junk=1 DeleteScore=80 JunkScore=60 MarkJunkRead=0 MarkJunkToJunk=1 GlobalJunkFolder=0 [Plugins] Count=3 Plugin #1=%PROGRAMDIR%\Bayes Filter Plugin\BayesFilter.tbp Plugin #2=%PROGRAMDIR%\MyGate\mygaterunner.tbp Plugin #3=%PROGRAMDIR%\MyMacros\mymacros.tbp [Plugin Data] Plugin #1= Plugin #2= Plugin #3= - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.0.17 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFClc/RvZSrVDqOXK0RAi9DAJ4pk3nwa0fQ+uRgYyyM7OBKRERahACfRd/+ kXbeYRJk1BRyS5uzp1qMe34= =j9LG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit Add In
Hello Group On Thursday, May 26, 2005, 2:31:56 PM, Kevin wrote: Close The Bat! and locate and edit this file with your favorite text editor: Thank you Kevin, that seems to have done it:-) Now for some more training... -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
JG I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1). JG It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've JG managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item JG on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my JG inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting JG stuff that isn't junk :-( JG Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less JG aggressive? Yes: start to use BayesFilter. The newer and newer BayesIt always comes out with errors. Our observation is that the errors are fixed in the new versions, but you get new errors in return :) :(. Give a try to BayesFilter and you will never go back to BayesIt :)). See here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim/thebat/readme.htm -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
Hello Jeff, Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 7:04:30 PM, you wrote: JG Hello Group JG I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1). JG It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've JG managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item JG on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my JG inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting JG stuff that isn't junk :-( JG Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less JG aggressive? Did you give it any non-spam messages when you trained it? I made that mistake when I first tried BayesIt. If you only give it spam, then it had no idea what a Good message looks like, so everything will look like spam to it. It needs at least as much ham as spam for training. Beyond that, go to OPtion, Preferences, Anti-spam and select Baysit Try adjusting the Move message threshold to a higher number. You might also play with the Avg/Max/Min scoring, although I am not sure exactly how that is used (I use Avg, FWIW) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt v0.81 translation
Hello Ritlabs and all, We have translated v0.81 BayesIt to Hungarian. But there is an annoying thing: If we change the language back to English, it is not possible to change it back to Hungarian. If I delete the [Plugins] Count=1 Plugin #1=E:\Data\The Bat!\bayesit\bayesit.tbp [Plugin Data] Plugin #1=:VUJQUy... and a lot of characters from TBPlugin.INI, it starts up in Hungarian again. Could someone explain 1. what happens here? 2. why is plugin data store its info ecnrypted? Thank you in advance. I am sending this mail from webmail, I dont know what will be attached to the end of the mail, or what will be the Reply-To... Sorry. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit Add In
Hello Group I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1). It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting stuff that isn't junk :-( Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less aggressive? -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.5.0.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Alexander, On Thursday, April 21, 2005, you wrote: It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots of thinking (pathetic fallacy?) ASK K9 does the same thinking and its blazingly fast OK - sold. Thanks for the advice, K9's installed and doing a pretty good job as far as I can see. No perceivable system loading even since I've trained it with many thousands of good/bad messages. -- Nick Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:11:08 +0200, Robin Anson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What version of Popfile are you using? I have been using it for some years now, and have never noticed it slowing - what is it that you see happening? PopFile itself is achingly slow. :-} -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Robin, On Thursday, April 21, 2005, you wrote: RA What version of Popfile are you using? I'm on the latest - v0.22.2. RA I have been using it for some years now, and have never noticed it RA slowing - what is it that you see happening? It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots of thinking (pathetic fallacy?), but it also seems to do a lot of database management throughout the day. I really applaud the popfile project, and it's still the best catcher outside of running (and maintaining) a server side spamassassin, but from time to time I like to check out the alternatives. Chances are that I'll be back running it next week... -- Nick Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:57:53 +0200, Nick Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots of thinking (pathetic fallacy?) K9 does the same thinking and its blazingly fast during mail retrieval (hardly noticable there's anything in-between TB and the POP server). PopFile is a Perl application. And Perl is the C64 Basic v2 where other programming languages are Assembler. :-) -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hi On Wednesday 20 April 2005 at 7:54:21 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Philip Storry wrote: Because of those blank emails, I added the Bayes Filter Plugin as a second plugin. You can find that here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim It's good, and I chose it because unlike BayesIt (as far as I know), it also does RBL lookups RBL lookups? -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Thursday, April 21, 2005, MFPA wrote: RBL lookups? http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RBL.html -- Urban It would be terrible if the Red Cross Bloodmobile got into an accident. No, wait. That would be good because if anyone needed it, the blood would be right there Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hi On Thursday 21 April 2005 at 2:56:10 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Urban wrote: RBL lookups? http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RBL.html Thanks -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Alexander, On 21 April 2005 at 10:38:07 GMT +0200 (which was 10:38:07 where I live), Alexander S. Kunz wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:57:53 +0200, Nick Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots of thinking (pathetic fallacy?) K9 does the same thinking and its blazingly fast during mail retrieval (hardly noticable there's anything in-between TB and the POP server). PopFile is a Perl application. And Perl is the C64 Basic v2 where other programming languages are Assembler. :-) K9, POPFile, Spambayes and what more products might be available, it's more a matter of personal experiences and how you look at the product from a cosmetic point of view. I agree with you that POPFile (using Perl, install file over 5MB) and Spambayes (using Python, install file over 4MB) are rather large compared to the tiny install file of K9 (116KB). From an installation point of view BayesIT and Bayes Filter ar easier as they are just plug-ins but my experiences with the TB plug-ins are not very positive...they make the behavior of TB sometimes very strange and unpredictable. Since I stopped using plug-ins, I've far less problems with TB. I've used K9, Spambayes and POPFile and my impression is that both Spambayes and POPFile learn quicker than K9.but before we start a new string about this...it's my personal observationso don't shoot me for that :-) -- Best regards, Dick ___ I'm not afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens. Using The Bat! v3.0.9.17 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello, I'm going through one of my irregular explorations of anti-SPAM technology, as popfile just seems to grind slower and slower. Although it must be said that it's almost perfect in terms of accuracy. One of the things that I really like about popfile is that I can get TB to delete spam from the server once identified. Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by bayesit, I can't find any other sign in the message. Is this so? -- Nick TheBat!: v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Nick Dutton On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 10:58:37 AM +0400 GMT You wrote: ND Hello, ND I'm going through one of my irregular explorations of anti-SPAM ND technology, as popfile just seems to grind slower and slower. Although ND it must be said that it's almost perfect in terms of accuracy. ND One of the things that I really like about popfile is that I can get ND TB to delete spam from the server once identified. ND Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by bayesit, ND I can't find any other sign in the message. Is this so? I'd like to know this also. How to directly delete an email from pop server when bayesit detect it as spam. But it must be an email with score higher than x%. There is an option to delete the email if the score is higher than x%. Does that deletes the email after downloaded the email or directly on the server? Also, how to know the score of each emails receive by bayesit plugin? Regards, -- The Final Cut TheBat 3.0.2.10 http://finalcut.ca/finalcut.asc pgpL31VUBJnFy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Nick, Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 3:58:37 PM, you wrote: ND Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by ND bayesit, I can't find any other sign in the message. Is this so? As far as I can tell, TB doesn't mark the message at all - which I personally find quite disappointing. Each anti-spam plug-in that The Bat! uses keeps its own separate logs, which you can use. In the vase of BayesIt, the logs are here: \Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\BayesIt\ The file name will be bayesit.log. (I'm assuming Windows 2000/XP, by the way - no idea where it is on other platforms, but the filename will be the same and you could search on it...) I've used BayesIt for about a year now, I think, and it's almost flawless. I was getting only a couple of mails a day pass it by, and those were generally blank mails - no text to analyse means that BayesIt is somewhat hamstrung! Because of those blank emails, I added the Bayes Filter Plugin as a second plugin. You can find that here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim It's good, and I chose it because unlike BayesIt (as far as I know), it also does RBL lookups - with which I hope to catch those blank emails. I've had to drop my spam filtering options to use the Minimal score for filtering, and I now see more spam per day - but the figure is going down as I train Bayes Filter Plugin, so I'm happy to accept this for a while. I mention the second plugin because it shows the real problem with spam logs in The Bat! - many people will tell you where BayesIt's logs are, as I just have. And I can also find the Bayes Filter Plugin's own logs. But I'll have to read BOTH sets of logs to figure out what's going on definitively. Actually, I won't. I can read The Bat's logs if I like. CTRL+SHIFT+A will show me the logs for the account I'm in, and in there you'll see when The Bat! has had a message reported as spam by a plugin. It'll be on a line starting with the words FILTER (after the date and time,of course) - but you'll probably have to scroll far to the right to actually see if it's the Junk Mail filters or one of your own filters. With just the BayesIt plugin, it won't be so bad for yourself. You can read just the bayesit.log file, and that'll help you. It's certainly going to be much easier than reading The Bat!'s own logs... But I have two plugins. Each one might report a different score, and that makes it difficult to spot exactly what's going on... What was the score reported by the plugin APIs? Remember, with morethan one plugin, you have three possibilities: Use the maximum score, the average or the minimal. So if one plugin reports a score of 99 and one reports a score of 0, this is what those settings would report: Maximal: 99 Average: ~50 Minimal: 0 If BayesIt reported 99, and I'm using Minimal or Average (with a threshold of over 50), then I'd see in the BayesIt logs that it was spam but not realise that The Bat! never thought it was spam. This can get very confusing very quickly. Especially as, at the end of the day, what the plugin reports is ONLY important if oyu have just one plugin. Now, I'll grant you most people only have one plugin, but I like defence in depth and I think that multiple plugins is a good idea. It's just very badly supported by The Bat!'s logging mechanism. The Bat!'s log reader is a bit basic. I'd really like to see a much better log tool - one which allows me to see all log entries across all accounts, and also to filter based on account, action (fetch/send/filter etc) and to search for specific text (so that I can check my logs for messages from specific addresses, to see if a rule inadvertantly filtered it) and so forth. I'm not in a hurry to get such a feature, but in my opinion The Bat!'s logs will be unusable until such a feature arrives. As to your original question, I have no problem with the Plugins marking the message. But I'd rather that the actual problem was dealt with: decent logging. If I had good logs, I wouldn't even think to check the headers of the message to see what had happened... ;-) -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpYwRqArIeV7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Nick Dutton everyone else, on 20-Apr-2005 at 16:58 you (Nick Dutton) wrote: Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by bayesit, I can't find any other sign in the message. Is this so? Exactly. If you're only using PopFile for spam filtering, may I suggest to have a look at http://keir.net/k9.html instead. -- Best regards, An ex-PopFile user :-) Deliplayer2 is playing: Astro Know Me Domina (Part V) (8:57) by The Dark Side Of The Moog from the album 'The Dark Side Of The Moog X' Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
On Thu 21 April 2005, 0:58:37 +1000, Nick Dutton wrote: I'm going through one of my irregular explorations of anti-SPAM technology, as popfile just seems to grind slower and slower. Although it must be said that it's almost perfect in terms of accuracy. What version of Popfile are you using? I have been using it for some years now, and have never noticed it slowing - what is it that you see happening? -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2, Popfile v0.22.2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello MikeD, Thursday, March 31, 2005, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote: M3 [...] When I first started having this problem, I not only M3 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training M3 data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from M3 reoccurring either. I did this and it worked. I uninstalled the plugin, deleted all BayesIt files, and then downloaded and installed the latest version (not the one that comes with 2.12.00). I didn't realise that there is a different procedure for installing the plugin now, Through Options-Preferences-Protection-Antispam rather than Options-Preferences-Plugins as before. I had to retrain but this was not a problem as I have a fairly large mailbase to work with. It remains to be seen how well it works now but at least it works. Thanks for the help. -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 (0 days 0:20:35) on Uno AMD Athlon MP pgp key: http://sfrederick.com/keys/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Friday, April 1, 2005, 1:27:21 PM, you wrote: SF Hello MikeD, SF Thursday, March 31, 2005, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote: M3 [...] When I first started having this problem, I not only M3 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training M3 data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from M3 reoccurring either. SF I did this and it worked. I uninstalled the plugin, deleted all SF BayesIt files, and then downloaded and installed the latest SF version (not the one that comes with 2.12.00). SF I didn't realise that there is a different procedure for installing SF the plugin now, Through Options-Preferences-Protection-Antispam SF rather than Options-Preferences-Plugins as before. SF I had to retrain but this was not a problem as I have a fairly SF large mailbase to work with. SF It remains to be seen how well it works now but at least it works. SF Thanks for the help. Hope it works better for you now. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 1:35:59 PM, you wrote: SF Hello MikeD, SF Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 5:08:46 AM, you wrote: M3 I would be interested in hearing what (if anything) you find out. SF It seems to be 2 accounts (rest OK) and the problem is SF consistent, ie the mail is blocked every time. Also the Connection SF Center locks up evry time so I have to use the 3 finger salute to SF kill The Bat! and restart. SF This started after a clean system and program re-install. My SF previous installation was WIN98SE. Hmm ... I have nothing else to suggest at this point. But you might want to look at the Doesn't download Mail thread and see if that has any applicability. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
