Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 1 September 2020 at 11:43:33 AM, in
, Peter Meyns wrote:-


> The message is not encrypted, merely signed. Without
> PGP installed you
> won't be able to verify the signature though.  

I can't verify the signature either: GnuPG hasn't found me a copy of Stefan's 
key.

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hello Peter Meyns,

>> Why can I read your PGP encoded message, although, AFAIK,
>> no PGP is installed here that could decode it.

> The message is not encrypted, merely signed. Without PGP installed you
> won't be able to verify the signature though.

Ah, thanks, understood.
I will not install PGP.

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Gunivortus,

on  Tue, 1 Sep 2020 12:31:27 +0200GMT (01.09.2020, 12:31 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

GG>  ... just curious ...

>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  ^^
GG> Why can I read your PGP encoded message, although, AFAIK,
GG> no PGP is installed here that could decode it.

The message is not encrypted, merely signed. Without PGP installed you
won't be able to verify the signature though.

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hello Stefan,

 ... just curious ...

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Fixed for the next Beta, thank you! :-)

Why can I read your PGP encoded message, although, AFAIK,
no PGP is installed here that could decode it.

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Hello Andrew,

> 3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an error message / etc.

Fixed for the next Beta, thank you! :-)


- --
Best regards,
Stefan Tanurkov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iHUEARYIAB0WIQQo9xg+jmSIDoP2QHksuDTcSnBdwwUCX04gEgAKCRAsuDTcSnBd
w7PyAQDAw6Uk8pS1tWVvudDyxoep6m5AHOMNBr/74nh8f9jCxAD+P4kbyruEmxTs
RTYZLb9s0hfpb73aoGtz/mCiFfXeSAM=
=G5Ac
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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 31 August 2020 at 1:01:39 PM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Hello,

> 1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to
> a letter stored _not_ 
>under the main "Inbox" folder.
> 2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or
> hit +
> 3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an
> error message / etc.

> POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage.
> Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report?  

I use POP3 but not OTFE. Cannot confirm. I get either a message search dialog, 
or a box saying the message is not marked as replied and asking if I think a 
reply was written.


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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Andrew,
Monday, August 31, 2020, 7:01:39 AM, you wrote:

> 1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to a letter stored _not_ 
>under the main "Inbox" folder.
> 2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or hit +
> 3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an error message / etc.

> POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage.
> Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report?

Not here, but IMAP and not OTFE.

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Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Andrew Savchenko]

Hello,

1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to a letter stored _not_ 
   under the main "Inbox" folder.
2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or hit +
3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an error message / etc.

POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage.
Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report?


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Re: Disk Crash TheBat! Does Not like it's files

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 7 October 2014 at 2:55:11 AM, in
mid:717114796.20141006185...@hughes.net, Chasonek wrote:


 My  hard  drive crashed and I was able to get almost
 all the stuff off the  hard  drive,  but  when I
 attempt to import the bat files, TheBat does not see
 them as it's own files. How  do  I  get  the
 files/emails  back  into TheBat, since there are
 several emails that are very important to me.


Rick's solution looks good. 

I just thought I'd chime in to suggest that you start a new thread for
a new question, rather than replying to an existing thread and
changing the subject. Anybody who is ignoring the thread you posted
under will not see your question.


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Disk Crash TheBat! Does Not like it's files

[Chasonek]

My  hard  drive crashed and I was able to get almost all the stuff off
the  hard  drive,  but  when I attempt to import the bat files, TheBat
does not see them as it's own files.
How  do  I  get  the  files/emails  back  into TheBat, since there are
several emails that are very important to me.

ThanksChas


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Re: Disk Crash TheBat! Does Not like it's files

[Rick]

 My  hard  drive crashed and I was able to get almost all the stuff off
 the  hard  drive,  but  when I attempt to import the bat files, TheBat
 does not see them as it's own files.
 How  do  I  get  the  files/emails  back  into TheBat, since there are
 several emails that are very important to me.

Were you able to recover all the bat's data files? If so just put them
where you want them and then Install the bat, pointing to that folder.
Everything should come right back
-- 
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Fighting for peace is like screaming for silence.
~ Unknown

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Re: Crash

[Gunivortus Goos]

 where in the The Bat settings can I find my registration key?

Problem solved.
My wife told me, I'd printed the mail with the key. So I searched my desperately
chaotic desk room and indeed found the paper. :-)

Kind regards,
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Re: Crash

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Gunivortus,

Monday, January 28, 2013, 2:26:57 PM, you wrote:

GG As I wrote, Acronis can't access the image from an external
GG harddisk. And the whole mailbase was involved - the repair
GG company simply formatted the second drive to install Linux there.
GG So my only chance is to restore the key from the registry if I knew
GG where to find it.

I recently changed from XP to Win7. I made the backups onto an
external HD, which I did not give to the computer company. Now I know
why! ;-)

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Re: Crash

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Gunivortus,

Monday, January 28, 2013, 4:33:59 PM, you wrote:


 where in the The Bat settings can I find my registration key?

GG Problem solved.
GG My wife told me, I'd printed the mail with the key. So I searched my 
desperately
GG chaotic desk room and indeed found the paper. :-)

Sometimes a carbon-based backup is worth it! Phew, you are lucky. :-)

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Re: Crash

[Paul Berger]

Hello TBUDL@thebat.,

Monday, January 28, 2013, 6:26:57 PM, you wrote:

GG Hi David,

 where in the The Bat settings can I find my registration key?

 It is in the registry.

GG Thought so... but where?

 I have just had to a crash repair, and did the following
 Install TB!
 Restore from a backup
 Install key from mail.

GG As I wrote, Acronis can't access the image from an external
GG harddisk. And the whole mailbase was involved - the repair
GG company simply formatted the second drive to install Linux there.
GG So my only chance is to restore the key from the registry if I knew
GG where to find it.



There must be a way to use Acronis to do a backup onto external drive
so as to be able to restore from it.

If not, use
http://download.cnet.com/Paragon-Backup-Recovery-Free/3000-2242_4-10972187.html
This has worked fine for me, but need to reinstall everything if
changing operating system, like XP to 7.

Glad you solved your problem.


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Crash

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hi,

writng this from the computer of my wife

where in the The Bat settings can I find my registration key?

Reason:
after my computer ran in terrible hardware problems, it went back to the shop
and they tested it and replaced several hardware parts.
Unfortunately they also destroyed the operating system (Windows 8 Pro)at
my system disk and erased my second disk with all my data to install Linux for
those tests.
Acronis was unable to restore a backup from an external harddisk.
The excuse from the company doesn't really help.

Through a repair disk I at least have access to the application and user files
and I already could find some reg keys, but not the one from The Bat.
Once I've found all keys from my software, I can setup the PC from scratch

Kind regards,
Gunivortus


  

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Re: Crash

[Geoff Lane]

On 27 January 2013, 19:30, Gunivortus Goos wrote:

 Unfortunately they also destroyed the operating system (Windows 8 Pro)at
 my system disk and erased my second disk with all my data to install Linux for
 those tests.
 Acronis was unable to restore a backup from an external harddisk.
 The excuse from the company doesn't really help.~~~

Unfortunately, I don't know where the registration key is kept, but I
suspect it's not with your message bases as each time I've installed
TB! I've needed to reload my key from the email I got when I purchased
my licence. If you haven't got a backup of your registration email
message, perhaps you can persuade Ritlabs technical support to resend
that message (if you can give them enough info to verify your
entitlement). FWIW, they resent my v5 registration message when the
original hadn't arrived over 48 hours after I bought my upgrade, but
that's no guarantee they'll do the same in your case.

As to why that company managed to erase the data on your second HD ...
there really isn't any excuse for that IMO as they could have booted
the computer from a Linux live CD. Distros like Puppy Linux exist
largely for this reason and most of the major distros have live CDs
from which you can boot without needing to change the contents of your
hard drive. Unfortunately, many of these companies' TCs put the onus
on you to have a valid backup and they disclaim liability for data
loss.

I assume that you used Acronis to back up (and verify) data that it
subsequently can't restore. If you still have the external HD, I
suggest contacting Acronis technical support. After all, it's not good
for them if they can't provide the very function for which their
product exists!

HTH,

-- 
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Cornwall, UK
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Re: Crash

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hi David,

 where in the The Bat settings can I find my registration key?

 It is in the registry.

Thought so... but where?

 I have just had to a crash repair, and did the following
 Install TB!
 Restore from a backup
 Install key from mail.

As I wrote, Acronis can't access the image from an external
harddisk. And the whole mailbase was involved - the repair
company simply formatted the second drive to install Linux there.
So my only chance is to restore the key from the registry if I knew
where to find it.

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TB 4.0.x - Reinstall after HDD crash

[alghorab]

Heisan!

I good a serious problem. My HDD crashed recently (and I had to reinstall my
OS, of course without a full backup of my mails), but I could recover at
least my TB- and mail-folder.

So I thought, great... just do a reinstall and you got all your mails
back... well, the reinstall obviously restored only mails which I had gotten
before I installed a version with encryption.

Is there a way to restore the encrypted mail accounts too?

Thanks in advance for any hints!

Best wishes,

Thorvald

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Re: Has anyone else had The Bat crash after up/down grading to 4.1.7?

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Hi tracer,

Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:56:30 AM, tracer (0tra...@gmail.com) wrote:

 Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:49:56 AM, you wrote:

 I'll raise this with the RitLabs Ticket system, but thought I'd ask here in
 case anyone can provide a quick solution.  I have reverted to a previous
 version of the Address Book files, taken from a backup taken just before the
 upgrade, but to no effect.

 As I said, I installed the bat 4.1.13, 4.1.15 and 4.1.17 if I remember
 correctly and none worked as they should as NO executable was
 generated. So I have no idea what else worked or didn't work. I went
 back to 4.0.38 and things worked but no idea if this is standard.

I've now had a response via the RitLabs Ticket system and they asked for 
more information (from .txt  .log files in root of mail directory tree) and 
supplied a Beta version since 4.1.7.  I'd also looked at paying for the 
upgrade from v3 licence to the v4 licence.  As I last paid for the upgrade 
4 years ago I decided to pay and re-upgrade to v4.1.7 ( then to v4.1.9 as 
it was just released).  This all worked and I now have access to the Address 
Book again.  :-)

Don't know what went wring in your case, or where you got your version 
(numbers) from.  Have you tried doing a compact/compress of your email 
message base, and doing a backup, before trying to upgrade again?  Also, do 
you, like me, need to pay for the upgrade before trying to install it?

Richard

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Re[2]: Has anyone else had The Bat crash after up/down grading to 4.1.7?

[tracer]

Hello Richard,

Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:17:44 AM, you wrote

 I've now had a response via the RitLabs Ticket system and they asked for
 more information (from .txt  .log files in root of mail directory tree) and
 supplied a Beta version since 4.1.7.  I'd also looked at paying for the
 upgrade from v3 licence to the v4 licence.  As I last paid for the upgrade
 4 years ago I decided to pay and re-upgrade to v4.1.7 ( then to v4.1.9 as
 it was just released).  This all worked and I now have access to the Address
 Book again.  :-)

The bat itself works???

I paid for my Thebat V4 upgrade just before Christmas and then they
made an upgrade so I upgraded. Stupid in a way as an upgrade just
before a holiday season is a good way to get unwanted problems.

 Don't know what went wrong in your case, or where you got your version
 (numbers) from.  Have you tried doing a compact/compress of your email
 message base, and doing a backup, before trying to upgrade again?  Also, do
 you, like me, need to pay for the upgrade before trying to install it?

version numbers are on a page on the website where you download from..
And no, I just paid so unlikely I have to pay again for a bug fix..
Anyway after all the bugs I have seen one more or less makes little
difference... (I don't mean in the bat but in general!!).
I just went back to last one which worked for me: 4.0.38 . Doesn't
handle msg's larger then 2 gb or so but I cannot see that to be a
problem

Ok, sending this and then reinstalling whatever the last update is.

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Has anyone else had The Bat crash after up/down grading to 4.1.7?

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Since I've had an abortive attempt to move from 4.0.38 to 4.1.7 (and then 
reverting to the former version) I have had a problem opening the Address 
Book.  Every time I attempt this The Bat! crashes with the following error 
message: 

Access violation at address 0072374C in module ‘thebat.exe’. Read of address 
000C.

I'll raise this with the RitLabs Ticket system, but thought I'd ask here in 
case anyone can provide a quick solution.  I have reverted to a previous 
version of the Address Book files, taken from a backup taken just before the 
upgrade, but to no effect. 

Thanks,

Richard

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Re: Has anyone else had The Bat crash after up/down grading to 4.1.7?

[tracer]

Hello Richard,

Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:49:56 AM, you wrote:

 Since I've had an abortive attempt to move from 4.0.38 to 4.1.7 (and then
 reverting to the former version) I have had a problem opening the Address
 Book.  Every time I attempt this The Bat! crashes with the following error
 message: 

 Access violation at address 0072374C in module ‘thebat.exe’. Read of address 
 000C.

After I had installed there was no executable so no crash (g), just no
email.
I restored by running a reinstall of the old version. NO other changes
but note you may have a slightly different problem from me as my mail
databases didn't get changed by the first upgrade...  I don't know
what happened in your case.

 I'll raise this with the RitLabs Ticket system, but thought I'd ask here in
 case anyone can provide a quick solution.  I have reverted to a previous
 version of the Address Book files, taken from a backup taken just before the
 upgrade, but to no effect.

As I said, I installed the bat 4.1.13, 4.1.15 and 4.1.17 if I remember
correctly and none worked as they should as NO executable was
generated. So I have no idea what else worked or didn't work. I went
back to 4.0.38 and things worked but no idea if this is standard.



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TB unlicenced after machine crash (was: HELP!)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Stuart,

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:10:03 + GMT (30/10/2006, 22:10 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Hemming wrote:

SH I suffered a machine failure and have had to have it rebuilt.

SH I had a copy of my mail folder, and a backup and it's running OK
SH EXCEPT TB! is telling me I'm running an unlicenced version.

SH What do I do?

This is really a question for TBUDL, not TBBETA. Hence the
crossposting. Please reply on TBUDL, no need to CC to TBBETA.

The licence is in the registry key. Did you also backup the registry
key? If so, now is the time to re-import it.

If not, do you still have the email that sent you your licence key? I
hope so, because you need it now.

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Crash on startup

[Quin Parker]

[Cross posted with online forum]

Wondering if anyone can help -- I can't open a ticket without my
registration key and I can't get to my registration key because my email
doesn't work.

I purchased TheBat Professional a month ago and have been very happy with
it up until last Tuesday morning, when it refused to open.

Just after the initial splash banner, I get an exception error from
thebat.exe.

I've upgraded to the latest version with no luck. I've also tried running
it with my virus protection (AVG) and I continue to get the error.

The fact that this suddenly happened on a Tuesday makes me think it was a
Microsoft update that threw it off, but of course I could be wrong.

I am running Windows XP Home on a Toshiba Satellite Pro.

I realise I probably ought to have *written down* my reg key in the event
that I couldn't get into my email... I will be more careful next time :)

Can anyone shed any further light on this or have a way of contacting the
support team without access to my reg key?

Thanks

Q


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Re: Crash on startup

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Quin,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 9:12:30 AM, you wrote:
 Wondering if anyone can help -- I can't open a ticket without my
 registration key and I can't get to my registration key because my
 email doesn't work.

Are you using OTFE (On The Fly Encryption)? If not, the mail database
is plaintext and you can sift through it to find your key. If you're
using OTFE, then this is a no-go.

 I've upgraded to the latest version with no luck. I've also tried
 running it with my virus protection (AVG) and I continue to get the
 error.

Speaking of that. What plugins do you have enabled? Every once in a
while, I have a problem with BayesIT and I go into the folder and
rename the plugin until TB opens correctly then rename it back. I
don't know why it does that, but I've never really had time to dig
into why the rename trick works.

 The fact that this suddenly happened on a Tuesday makes me think it
 was a Microsoft update that threw it off, but of course I could be
 wrong.

Potentially, but my machine is up to date, although XP Pro, and no
problems with TB so far.

 I realise I probably ought to have *written down* my reg key in the
 event that I couldn't get into my email... I will be more careful
 next time :)

Hindsight is always 20-20. grin


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Mod: Cut mark (was: Crash on startup)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Quin,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 9:12:30 AM, you wrote:
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Re: Crash on startup

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Quin,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:12:30 +0100 (BST)GMT (16-10-2006, 17:12 , where
I live), you wrote:

QP [Cross posted with online forum]

So is my answer. ;-)

QP Just after the initial splash banner, I get an exception error from
QP thebat.exe.

When you're running TB with an unencrypted message base, it's possible
to search your message base with a text editor, so that should enable
you to find your registration key again. When you're using TB with
encryption enabled then you're out of luck.

What I'd try anyway in your case would be to uninstall TB and to move
your message base to a different location and also make a copy for
safe keeping.
Next install TB
If you were running TB with an encrypted message base then do so
again, if you were running wit a plain message base then keep it that
way.
Create an account and see whether TB runs fine now.
If it's running fine then something has gone corrupt in your message
base that prevented TB from running, if it still doesn't run then it's
something else, but either way it's necessary to know.


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Mod: Cut mark (was: Crash on startup)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Quin,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:12:30 +0100 (BST)GMT (16-10-2006, 17:12 +0200,
where I live), you wrote:

QP 
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of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Crash on startup)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Roelof,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 9:42:10 AM, you wrote:
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Voyager crash on startup

[Paul Jansen]

Dear All,

I am considering moving to Voyager and have been testing on my laptop.

Voyager is working on the laptop but when I try to run it on my
desktop PC (with TheBat! installed) It asks for the password and then
crashes!


AppName: voyager.exe AppVer: 3.85.3.0ModName: kernel32.dll
ModVer: 5.1.2600.2945Offset: 00012a5b

Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Bad crash... HELP!

[Maurice McAdam]

Hello Jernej,

 On Wednesday, May 31, 2006, 11:16:30 PM, which was 8:06:40 AM 
where I am, you wrote:

JS On Wednesday, May 31, 2006, 23:07:21, Chris wrote:

 You probably don't want to here this, but you hard drive may be bad.
 After you recover the messages, I'd back everything up and run
 something like SpinRite on the drive.

JS Err, SpinRite is a scam, don't use it.
I bought it to recover my daughter's files on a memory stick. I was
unsuccessful. SpinRite would access the hard disks, but not the memory
stick.
They reimbursed - no questions asked.

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Maurice

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Re: Bad crash... HELP!

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, June 1, 2006, 8:17:37, Maurice McAdam wrote:

JS Err, SpinRite is a scam, don't use it.
 I bought it to recover my daughter's files on a memory stick. I was
 unsuccessful. SpinRite would access the hard disks, but not the memory
 stick.
 They reimbursed - no questions asked.

SpinRite doesn't do anything that the free tools offered by the disk
manufacturers don't already do.

BTW, Sony recently released a tool for rescuing data from memory sticks,
it's available here:
http://www.sonydigital-link.com/memstick/downloads/downloads_ms.asp?l=enf=MS_Rescue

Anyway, this is off-topic for TBUDL, so the discussion should continue on
TBOT.

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Re[2]: Bad crash... HELP!

[Miles Johnson]

 It looks like you've done almost everything that you could try.
 Last option with TB is to put the .tbb files in folders. (Forget about
 the .tbi, they'll only cause problems in this kind of situations.) And
 release folder maintenance on these folders.
 Folder maintenance might result in a valid .tbb file with one or more
 part000?.bin files, rename those to messages.tbb (in a safe location)
 and try to import from the renamed .bin file.
No go in both scenarii...

 When this doesn't help try a text editor. Both the .tbb as the .bin
 files are straight text, so with a text editor you might be able to
 retrieve something manually.
No go... The text shows the beginning of the first message's header then
is all garbled. That is NOT cool TB... What a disappointment.

I was able to re-import main inbox messages from a TB copy that was several
weeks old, looks like I'm out of luck for all the recent stuff but thanks
SO MUCH for your help anyway Roelof, it's very much appreciated.

And to those who were kindly trying to help with hard drive issues, that's
not where the problem was. It appears that the removable enclosure for one of
my drives went bad (rare!) which in turn messed up Diskeeper, which is turn
locked up everything... And no, Diskeeper had no business doing that, my
thinking is that its service is running at a way-too-low level on the OS.
 
Best regards,

Miles
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Bad crash... HELP!

[Miles Johnson]

Running XP Pro here... worse crash I've ever had with this OS. This morning
my PC locked up repeatedly and before things got really bad I was able to
determine that it was Diskeeper that was locking up as it was defragging
some drives in the background (never done that before) I tried to kill the
processes (Dkeeper and defragNTS) but they are at such low level that they
wouldn't budge. Seeing this I started trying to close my browser, TB, etc.
Both got hit pretty bad. Maxthon lost everything, I had to completely
rebuild all my settings, and it appears that the final lockup occurred just
as TB was processing the folders

Once I rebooted I discovered that the main inbox folders for my first four
accounts as well as, oddly, the outbox for account #2 only, contain 0
message. All sub-folders are intact. I have been unable to recover these
messages whether by trying to import them (before closing TB again I copied
the whole mail folder to another part of my hard drive), copying the TBB
and TBI file into the inbox folder over the new ones, or using the
CTRL+Shift+Alt+L key combo.

As luck has it I was JUST about to setup my data backup software to got on
automatic pilot so that all this kind of data is backup up to a brand new
drive... I do not have a very recent backup of these files, although the
TBB and TBI files appear to be intact for those accounts (at lest
size-wise)

I've got some really important mail in those folders... Is there any way I
can get TB to recognize and see its own files?!

HELP!

Thanks.

Best regards,

Miles
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Re: Bad crash... HELP!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Miles,

On Wed, 31 May 2006 11:24:32 -0400GMT (31-5-2006, 17:24 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

P Once I rebooted I discovered that the main inbox folders for my first four
P accounts as well as, oddly, the outbox for account #2 only, contain 0
P message. All sub-folders are intact. I have been unable to recover these
P messages whether by trying to import them (before closing TB again I copied
P the whole mail folder to another part of my hard drive), copying the TBB
P and TBI file into the inbox folder over the new ones, or using the
P CTRL+Shift+Alt+L key combo.

It looks like you've done almost everything that you could try.
Last option with TB is to put the .tbb files in folders. (Forget about
the .tbi, they'll only cause problems in this kind of situations.) And
release folder maintenance on these folders.
Folder maintenance might result in a valid .tbb file with one or more
part000?.bin files, rename those to messages.tbb (in a safe location)
and try to import from the renamed .bin file.

When this doesn't help try a text editor. Both the .tbb as the .bin
files are straight text, so with a text editor you might be able to
retrieve something manually.

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Re: Bad crash... HELP!

[Chris]

Miles Johnson @ 2006-5-31 11:24:32 AM
Bad crash... HELP! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I've got some really important mail in those folders... Is there any way I
 can get TB to recognize and see its own files?!

 HELP!

You probably don't want to here this, but you hard drive may be bad.
After you recover the messages, I'd back everything up and run
something like SpinRite on the drive.

Good luck!

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Accessing a POP3 mailbox.

I just found the last bug.

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Re: Bad crash... HELP!

[Jernej Simončič]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2006, 23:07:21, Chris wrote:

 You probably don't want to here this, but you hard drive may be bad.
 After you recover the messages, I'd back everything up and run
 something like SpinRite on the drive.

Err, SpinRite is a scam, don't use it.

What might work is the disk diagnostic tool offered by the disk manufacturer
- those can forcibly relocate bad sectors (you usually first have to run the
diagnostic, then if problems are found, those tools offer repair and
low-level format; repair will replace those problematic sectors, and while
you will loose data from them, the disk should work normally afterwards [you
usually wouldn't be able to access the files with bad sectors at all
anyway]).

These disk diagnostic tools are free, but they're tied to your disk brand -
if you have a Maxtor, tool from WD won't work on it. You need 1 floppy or 1
empty CD-R for them, since they have to be booted - you can't run them from
within Windows.

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Re: Restoring after a crash

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dean,

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:20:23 -0600GMT (14-3-2006, 8:20 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

D After a recent crash of the system and having to reload the OS -
D Win 2k, I tried to restore the old fashioned way by copying the TBB
D and TBI into the newly created Accounts.

My preferred way to configure a new system or the same system anew was
to place the mail directory somewhere on the harddisk and next install
TB and when creating new accounts simply point to the existing message
base by giving them the same name.

D I also noticed I had a duplicate THEBAT! program growing on another
D drive - unexpected.

Can't confirm that.

D The word Relative Path is new in the registry. I wasn't aware of
D any other relatives when I bought the program.

I've got relative paths in the registry, but they point to the
same directory as the normal path, only with macros like %Exedrive or
%ProgramDir

D I ended up going back to the old backup. I still have the newer TBB
D and TBI files, any way of getting them working again?

There's always the possibility to import from thoser .tbi files:
  Tools - Import messages - From TB message base v2

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Solution: The Bat crash at startup

[Bodemann , Jörn]

Thank you for your suggestions. It was easy to identifiy the account
which causes the problem. I deleted several files, like *.tbi, but
nothing helped.

I saw that some ppl use the 3.60.02 BETA version. That version works
again.

Jörn Bodemann

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From Access Violation to program crash

[Quin Selman]

Hello tbudl,

  This has happened several times now, using what reports to be v.3.0:

When working in Sorting Office, I use ALT + Left Click to drag a
(usually newly created?) folder in the left pane to a new position.
The sorting office entries then speed by uncontrollably until an
access violation at address 00402601 notice pops up. I try to recover
from this but I can't recall what action I must take. Whatever it is,
I get a message saying Invalid pointer operation. I press OK and get
another AV at a different address than the one mentioned above. More
OK's and the two access violations cycle in a loop. Finally, I must
forcibly shut down The Bat! using CTL + ALT + DEL. (Before shutting
down the program, I notice that all the left pane entries in the
Sorting Office have disappeared. These are restored once TB! is closed
and reloaded.)

This has been reproducible until I began this message; now I can't
reproduce it. But it will probably happen again so maybe I can fill in
the blanks.

Notice I said in my first line that my copy of The Bat! *reports* to
be 3.0. This is because I've repeatedly copied 3.0.0.11 over my
version 3.0. At first, TB! reports v.3.0.0.11 in About but it reverts
to 3.0 when I close and restart The Bat!.  

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Re: From Access Violation to program crash

[MAU]

Hello Quin,

 Notice I said in my first line that my copy of The Bat! *reports* to
 be 3.0. This is because I've repeatedly copied 3.0.0.11 over my
 version 3.0. At first, TB! reports v.3.0.0.11 in About but it reverts
 to 3.0 when I close and restart The Bat!.

Are you aware that v.3.0.0.11 is actually a beta version? If so, I think
you should report this problem in TBBeta.

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Re[3]: Recovering from a crash....

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Jeff,

On Friday, September 3, 2004, 10:12:56 AM, you wrote:

 Hello Roelof,

[snipped]

 The long term answer would be for Ritlabs to keep TB!'s settings in an
 ini file instead of the registry - I think MS have been recommending
 for a couple of years that application specific settings are kept in
 ini files (or perhaps XML files nowadays).

I have just realised that TB! was using an American spell checker so I
downloaded the International pack and installed it.

After re-starting I couldn't find the option for 'English'.

Guess what? TB! installed it in Program Files and not into my Bat
installation folder (on D:).

What value the registry now?

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Re[3]: Recovering from a crash....

[Denis]

 (c) MS started to recommend individual configuration files some time
 back, surely we all do what MS says without question ;-)

If only they did it themselves! Do what I say, but not what I do...
And more than that... their apps settings are scattered a bit
everywhere in the Registry. I think that the one branch stores it
all approach Ritlabs took is not that bad. If only they could
replace their so called included backup/restore feature by a simple
copy/restore all TheBat! files, along with a per-user registry
backup  restore, you would'nt see anyone complaining that their
backup is corrupted anymore.

I can't think of a serious TB! user using the integrated backup
feature.

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Re[4]: Recovering from a crash....

[Tony]

Hello Denis,

Sunday, September 5, 2004, 5:31:15 PM, you wrote:


 (c) MS started to recommend individual configuration files some time
 back,
Back to the old days where .ini was more common.
The problem is that the .ini files are not always in the most logical
place either.


 If only they did it themselves! Do what I say, but not what I do...
 And more than that... their apps settings are scattered a bit
 everywhere in the Registry. I think that the one branch stores it
 all approach Ritlabs took is not that bad. If only they could
 replace their so called included backup/restore feature by a simple
 copy/restore all TheBat! files, along with a per-user registry
 backup  restore, you would'nt see anyone complaining that their
 backup is corrupted anymore.

 I can't think of a serious TB! user using the integrated backup
 feature.

By far the best approach I've ever seen was on another platform.
An application directory always starts with a !
It shows a nice icon of the application.
Inside the directory is everything that belongs to that application.
Program files, settings, data etc.
You can copy around that directory as you like.
It just works no matter where you move it to.
I think it's much less confusing then the current method.
And the many registry tweaking/cleaner tools don't give a very
positive feeling about the registry approach either.
TB! doesn't even need a backup restore with that method because a
simple copy from a backup will do.

Just my 2 cents :P

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[MAU]

Hello Lynn,

JG Agent does this and, since I keep all my 'well behaved' apps on the
JG D: drive, after an OS re-install they are all available for
JG immediate use, since they don't need any registry settings to work.
 
 It would certainly be a godsend if they'd all do that; I had to reload
 the system recently, too, but I am a *long* way from getting my apps
 all reinstalled .. and as you say, they are all sitting intact on the
 D partition, but unusable.

I won't say the Registry is the best of the inventions but, think of
something. What if you and me were to share the same machine as
different Windows users (i.e. with different login). Whose settings and
Preferences should TB keep in the ini file? Should we share the same
message base (i.e. mail directory)? Even if we use different mail
accounts we would be forced to password protect each account and, even
so, why should I see your accounts in my folder tree and you see mine in
yours? Etc., etc., etc. Try it. Create another user and then log off and
login as the new user and see what happens.

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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello MAU,

On Saturday, September 4, 2004, 9:44:32 AM, you wrote:

 Hello Lynn,

JG Agent does this and, since I keep all my 'well behaved' apps on the
JG D: drive, after an OS re-install they are all available for
JG immediate use, since they don't need any registry settings to work.
 
 It would certainly be a godsend if they'd all do that; I had to reload
 the system recently, too, but I am a *long* way from getting my apps
 all reinstalled .. and as you say, they are all sitting intact on the
 D partition, but unusable.

 I won't say the Registry is the best of the inventions but, think of
 something. What if you and me were to share the same machine as
 different Windows users (i.e. with different login). Whose settings and
 Preferences should TB keep in the ini file? Should we share the same
 message base (i.e. mail directory)? Even if we use different mail
 accounts we would be forced to password protect each account and, even
 so, why should I see your accounts in my folder tree and you see mine in
 yours? Etc., etc., etc. Try it. Create another user and then log off and
 login as the new user and see what happens.

Miguel

(a) Anybody who touches *my* computer gets their fingers chopped off!
(b) How about TB! asks which user you are and then uses jeff.ini,
lynne.ini, miguel.ini etc? In fact I might patent that idea.
(c) MS started to recommend individual configuration files some time
back, surely we all do what MS says without question ;-)

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Re[3]: Recovering from a crash....

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Jeff,

On Friday, September 3, 2004, 12:48:26 PM, you wrote:

 Hello Roelof,

 On Friday, September 3, 2004, 11:39:38 AM, you wrote:

 Hallo Jeff,

 On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:12:56 +0100GMT (3-9-2004, 11:12 +0200, where I
 live), you wrote:

JG I have been following this thread with some interest as I have to do a
JG re-install of XP soon.

JG The long term answer would be for Ritlabs to keep TB!'s settings in an
JG ini file instead of the registry

 I'd prefer that myself, but there's a workaround.
 You can save TB's registry settings to disk, that way you can import
 it when you've installed XP again. Sionce you're planning to do a
 re-install you can prepare yourself properly.

 It can also be automated by using a .bat file with a command like
 this:

 c:\windows\regedit.exe /e c:\thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT

 Adjust the path settings to your preferences.


 I never fail to be amazed by command line wizards who can achieve in
 10 seconds what it would take hours to do any other way :-)

 That's brilliant - I used it for XanaNews as well so I can re-install
 my news reader the same way.

 Many thanks!


Just a follow up to say I have set up a  new PC, copied TB! over, ran
the reg files and I'm in business :-)

Thanks again Roelof.

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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:44:32 AM, you wrote:

 It would certainly be a godsend if they'd all do
 that; I had to reload
 the system recently, too, but I am a *long* way
 from getting my apps
 all reinstalled .. and as you say, they are all
 sitting intact on the
 D partition, but unusable.

M I won't say the Registry is the best of the
M inventions but, think of something. What if you and
M me were to share the same machine as different Windows
M users (i.e. with different login).

It's nice to know the thing has a valid application, but
I'm still weeks from getting all my software reinstalled
:-)

Lynn


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NT5 SP4
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Re[3]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Saturday, September 4, 2004, 2:13:09 AM, you wrote:

JG (a) Anybody who touches *my* computer gets their
JG fingers chopped off!

rotfl! That's my position :-)

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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Roelof,

On Thursday, September 2, 2004, 11:40:19 PM, you wrote:

 Hallo Lynn,

 On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:23:01 -0700GMT (3-9-2004, 0:23 +0200, where I
 live), you wrote:

L However, do you know how I can recover my message base on
L a new installation? I have the old folder files stashed on
L a different drive; I didn't use the backup/recover option
L because there was some corruption there that I couldn't
L get rid of.

 Create a new account and insert the same folders you had in your
 original account.
 Select one of your folders
   Tools - Import messages - From TB message base - Browse to your
   old folder corresponding with your current one, select the
   messages.tbb file and you're importing.
 Do this for all of your folders


I have been following this thread with some interest as I have to do a
re-install of XP soon.

The long term answer would be for Ritlabs to keep TB!'s settings in an
ini file instead of the registry - I think MS have been recommending
for a couple of years that application specific settings are kept in
ini files (or perhaps XML files nowadays).

Agent does this and, since I keep all my 'well behaved' apps on the D:
drive, after an OS re-install they are all available for immediate
use, since they don't need any registry settings to work.

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Re[3]: Recovering from a crash....

[thebat]

Hi,

 It's been awhile since I used Ghost, but wasn't it possible to read
 those images like they drives themselves?

 Correct. But because the new hardware windows refused to boot.
 (drivers problems etc) So I had to reinstall windows. The repair
 windows option didn't work either. So Ghost won't help in this
 case.

It sure will. Using Ghost Explorer, you can browse and access your
old files. Just install TheBat! as your did before, copy your old
directory over it (don't forget to copy the BayesIt directory
located in your old Documents and
Settings\profile_name\Application Data folder so that you don't
have to train your spam filter again), and you're done !

You will get almost all your TheBat! settings (and data) back. The
only thing missing will be to re-register it (the registration data
is stored in the HKEY_CURRENT_USER branch).

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jeff,

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:12:56 +0100GMT (3-9-2004, 11:12 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

JG I have been following this thread with some interest as I have to do a
JG re-install of XP soon.

JG The long term answer would be for Ritlabs to keep TB!'s settings in an
JG ini file instead of the registry

I'd prefer that myself, but there's a workaround.
You can save TB's registry settings to disk, that way you can import
it when you've installed XP again. Sionce you're planning to do a
re-install you can prepare yourself properly.

It can also be automated by using a .bat file with a command like
this:

c:\windows\regedit.exe /e c:\thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT

Adjust the path settings to your preferences.

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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Jeff Gaines]

Hello Roelof,

On Friday, September 3, 2004, 11:39:38 AM, you wrote:

 Hallo Jeff,

 On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:12:56 +0100GMT (3-9-2004, 11:12 +0200, where I
 live), you wrote:

JG I have been following this thread with some interest as I have to do a
JG re-install of XP soon.

JG The long term answer would be for Ritlabs to keep TB!'s settings in an
JG ini file instead of the registry

 I'd prefer that myself, but there's a workaround.
 You can save TB's registry settings to disk, that way you can import
 it when you've installed XP again. Sionce you're planning to do a
 re-install you can prepare yourself properly.

 It can also be automated by using a .bat file with a command like
 this:

 c:\windows\regedit.exe /e c:\thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT

 Adjust the path settings to your preferences.


I never fail to be amazed by command line wizards who can achieve in
10 seconds what it would take hours to do any other way :-)

That's brilliant - I used it for XanaNews as well so I can re-install
my news reader the same way.

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Re[4]: Recovering from a crash....

[Tony]

Hello thebat,

Friday, September 3, 2004, 2:54:33 AM, you wrote:

 Hi,

 It's been awhile since I used Ghost, but wasn't it possible to read
 those images like they drives themselves?

 Correct. But because the new hardware windows refused to boot.
 (drivers problems etc) So I had to reinstall windows. The repair
 windows option didn't work either. So Ghost won't help in this
 case.

 It sure will. Using Ghost Explorer,
 .

Looks like I misunderstood the original answer :-)
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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Tony]

Hello MAU,

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 2:49:52 PM, you wrote:

 Hello Tony,

 The problem is that I need to reinstall TB! also.
 How can I restore my old settings and messages?
 I still have *all* files but never made a backup with the option found
 in TB!
 
 Any help would be most welcome!

Thanks for the many useful replies!


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Re[3]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Friday, September 3, 2004, 2:12:56 AM, you wrote:


JG Agent does this and, since I keep all my 'well
JG behaved' apps on the D:
JG drive, after an OS re-install they are all available
JG for immediate
JG use, since they don't need any registry settings to
JG work.

It would certainly be a godsend if they'd all do that; I
had to reload the system recently, too, but I am a *long*
way from getting my apps all reinstalled .. and as you
say, they are all sitting intact on the D partition, but
unusable.

Lynn


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Recovering from a crash....

[Tony]

Hello tbudl,

Last week I my PC failed to boot and had to buy new hardware.
I use Ghost to make all my backups and it usally works fine.
But not this time due to the diffrent hardware windows needed a
complete reinstall.

The problem is that I need to reinstall TB! also.
How can I restore my old settings and messages?
I still have *all* files but never made a backup with the option found
in TB!

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[MAU]

Hello Tony,

 The problem is that I need to reinstall TB! also.
 How can I restore my old settings and messages?
 I still have *all* files but never made a backup with the option found
 in TB!
 
 Any help would be most welcome!

No big problem, I think.

I am assuming that you have your old files in C:\Program Files\The
Bat! and, therefor, your message base in the Mail subdirectory of
the Bat!. Correct?

If this is so, then just install on the same directory. After the
installation, if I recall correctly, you will be prompted (by a wizard)
to create an Account. Name this new account with the name you used in
your previous installation. If you have (had) more than one account,
then any of the names will do. If you are not sure about account names,
they are the same than the directories under Mail.

After you have created this first (or only account) TB should start and
you should be able to see it in the folder tree. If you had more than
one account then select Account/News to create each one by using the
same names you had. The news accounts will be created with all the
options, templates, folders and message base you previously had.

After that, make sure you revise your Options/Preferences.

I have done this a couple of times in the past and I had no problem.

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tony,

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:19:39 -0700GMT (3-9-2004, 7:19 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

T The problem is that I need to reinstall TB! also.
T How can I restore my old settings and messages?
T I still have *all* files but never made a backup with the option found
T in TB!

That's why I'm keeping my message base on a different partition. But
that won't do you any good right now. It's something for the future
though to divide your harddisk into multiple partitions, especially
since you're configuring your pc right now.

It's been awhile since I used Ghost, but wasn't it possible to read
those images like they drives themselves? If not buy or borrow an
extra harddisk big enough to contain your restored image and restore
(copy) your message base from it. You'll be losing some settings as TB
stores some minor things in the registry, but the main things like
your account settings, templates, filters and messages will be back.

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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 2:49:52 PM, you wrote:


M I have done this a couple of times in the past and I
M had no problem.

I've done this too, and it works fine.

However, do you know how I can recover my message base on
a new installation? I have the old folder files stashed on
a different drive; I didn't use the backup/recover option
because there was some corruption there that I couldn't
get rid of. I tried reinstalling a couple of times without
getting rid of it.

tia,

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lynn,

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:23:01 -0700GMT (3-9-2004, 0:23 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

L However, do you know how I can recover my message base on
L a new installation? I have the old folder files stashed on
L a different drive; I didn't use the backup/recover option
L because there was some corruption there that I couldn't
L get rid of.

Create a new account and insert the same folders you had in your
original account.
Select one of your folders
  Tools - Import messages - From TB message base - Browse to your
  old folder corresponding with your current one, select the
  messages.tbb file and you're importing.
Do this for all of your folders

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[MAU]

Hello Lynn,

 However, do you know how I can recover my message base on
 a new installation? I have the old folder files stashed on
 a different drive;

Do you want to keep your message base on the different drive? I'm
going to assume that yes. And I am going to assume it is in:

E:\TB\Mail

1.- Do a fresh install.
2.- Create a new account (let's call it 'Fake') with any names, email,
servers, etc., you wish. They don't need to be real.
3.- Once TB is started, go to Options/Preferences/System and for 'mail
Directory' type in, or browse to, E:\TB\Mail
4.- You can now create new accounts with the old names and they should
appear with the settings, options, folders and messages from your
previous installation.
5.- Delete account 'Fake'. If you wish, of course ;-)

That should do it.

If you would rather have your accounts and message base in the default
directory (usually C:\Program files\The bat!\Mail), replace step 3 above
with:

3.- Copy (don't move, just in case) your E:\TB\Mail to
C:\Program files\The bat!\Mail

And then proceed with step 4.

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[MAU]

Hello Roelof,

 Select one of your folders
   Tools - Import messages - From TB message base - Browse to your
   old folder corresponding with your current one, select the
   messages.tbb file and you're importing.
 Do this for all of your folders

That works, but what about templates, address books, etc. ?

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[MAU]

Hello MAU,

 Select one of your folders
   Tools - Import messages - From TB message base - Browse to your
   old folder corresponding with your current one, select the
   messages.tbb file and you're importing.
 Do this for all of your folders
 
 That works, but what about templates, address books, etc. ?

Plus, and I mot 100% sure about this, if you do an import the received
date for all messages will be that of the day you do the import.

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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 3:40:19 PM, you wrote:

RO   Tools - Import messages - From TB message
base - Browse to your
RO old folder corresponding with your current one, select
RO the messages.tbb file and you're importing. Do this
RO for all of your folders

Yes, that's what I did. It was very inconsistent; it
recovered some of them, but not others. I'll keep the old
files; worst case I can load it up into an editor and
search on what I hope is there, but it's kind of annoying.

And it was all from the same version; I had reloaded it 2
or 3 times before I finally threw up my hands and
reinstalled.

Thanks anyway  ..

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo MAU,

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0200GMT (3-9-2004, 1:11 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

 Select one of your folders
   Tools - Import messages - From TB message base - Browse to your
   old folder corresponding with your current one, select the
   messages.tbb file and you're importing.
 Do this for all of your folders

M That works, but what about templates, address books, etc. ?

I know, but the question was how to restore the messagebase without
the corruption. As long as I don't know where the corruption has been
encountered, I won't advice to copy all account.* files to the new
account.

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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lynn,

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:36:29 -0700GMT (3-9-2004, 1:36 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

L Yes, that's what I did. It was very inconsistent; it
L recovered some of them, but not others.

That's because the messagebases that didn't import very well were
corrupted.

L I'll keep the old files; worst case I can load it up into an editor
L and search on what I hope is there, but it's kind of annoying.

Another option would be to create a new account, close TB and copy
your old account files (including everything) to the new directory,
but that's bound to return your same corruption.

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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 4:09:25 PM, you wrote:

M Do you want to keep your message base on the
M different drive? I'm
M going to assume that yes. And I am going to assume it
M is in:


Actually, my current message base is on a 'd' partition,
but when I deinstalled, I shifted all the mail folders to
'g' ... and tried to import them from there when I
reinstalled.

I will give the new account a shot ... but of course, I
don't want to end up with the template corruption again
that I had before ... all I want is the mails back :-)

thanks ..

Lynn

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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 4:47:31 PM, you wrote:

RO Another option would be to create a new account, close
RO TB and copy your old account files (including
RO everything) to the new directory, but that's bound to
RO return your same corruption.

That's what I'm afraid of .. and the deinstall/reinstall
did finally get rid of that ...

I'll tinker (carefully) a little more, but maybe it's a
compromise thing ..

thanks, to you and all who are helping out :-)

Lynn


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Re: Recovering from a crash....

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lynn,

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:55:32 -0700GMT (3-9-2004, 1:55 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RO Another option would be to create a new account, close
RO TB and copy your old account files (including
RO everything) to the new directory, but that's bound to
RO return your same corruption.

L That's what I'm afraid of .. and the deinstall/reinstall
L did finally get rid of that ...

L I'll tinker (carefully) a little more, but maybe it's a
L compromise thing ..

Tinker to your liking. ;-)
I'd suggest that you replace the new account.* files for the old ones
(they contain your filters, account settings, folder settings, quick
templates) save the new ones so you can restore those.
I think it most likely though that the corruption is in your old
message base.


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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 5:04:39 PM, you wrote:

RO Tinker to your liking. ;-)

You may be sure I will .. lol!

RO I'd suggest that you replace the new account.* files
RO for the old ones (they contain your filters, account
RO settings, folder settings, quick templates) save the
RO new ones so you can restore those. I think it most
RO likely though that the corruption is in your old
RO message base.

Could be, I suppose, but it was the templates that were
misbehaving. There was a template somewhere


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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Lynn]

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 5:04:39 PM, you wrote:

Again, sorry ... I fatfingered something ...

RO Tinker to your liking. ;-) I'd suggest that you
RO replace the new account.* files for the old ones (they
RO contain your filters, account settings, folder
RO settings, quick templates) save the new ones so you
RO can restore those. I think it most likely though that
RO the corruption is in your old message base.

There was a template somewhere with the wrong file
attached to it, and it was appearing in the wrong folders.
I messed with it for weeks trying to get rid of it (wiped
all the templates and started over, etc), but it
persisted.

All the templates are now working fine, and I'm
just stuck with the situation, I think. I *really* don't
want the problem back, and hopefully none of the mails
which are stranded were critical. It would be nice to know
that for sure, of course, but I'm fairly bloody minded
about stashing really important stuff elsewhere, so
hopefully it's just an irritant, not a really *serious*
problem. I won't know that for several months, though,
probably :-(

I knew the risk when I did it, I was just hoping that I
would be able to get *just* the mails back somehow. I did
get the AB back via my last backup, so that's a relief :-)

I do appreciate all the ideas, though .. thanks!

Lynn


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Re[2]: Recovering from a crash....

[Tony]

Hello Roelof,

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 2:55:16 PM, you wrote:

 Hallo Tony,

 On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:19:39 -0700GMT (3-9-2004, 7:19 +0200, where I
 live), you wrote:

T The problem is that I need to reinstall TB! also.
T How can I restore my old settings and messages?
T I still have *all* files but never made a backup with the option found
T in TB!


 It's been awhile since I used Ghost, but wasn't it possible to read
 those images like they drives themselves?
Correct.
But because the new hardware windows refused to boot. (drivers
problems etc)
So I had to reinstall windows. The repair windows option didn't work
either.
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Hello Paul,

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:17:06 -0500 GMT (26/02/2004, 04:17 +0700 GMT),
Paul Cartwright wrote:

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Hello Paul,

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:13:04 -0500 GMT (27/02/2004, 01:13 +0700 GMT),
Paul Cartwright wrote:

TF Thank you for posting in its entirety what I consider spam.

 my apologies!

Let me think about it...

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Re: OOPS, was:Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:44:38 -0500 GMT (27/02/2004, 01:44 +0700 GMT),
Paul Cartwright wrote:

 that's why you moderators are so well liked!

I'm not a moderator on this list... but thanks anyway. :-)

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OOPS, was:Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Thursday, February 26, 2004, 1:25 PM, you wrote:

TF Thank you for posting in its entirety what I consider spam.

 my apologies!

TF Let me think about it...

 sorry!

TF OK, I forgive you! g

that's why you moderators are so well liked!


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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Thursday, February 26, 2004, 12:55 PM, you wrote:

  Please Visit This Week's Sponsor Below 

TF Thank you for posting in its entirety what I consider spam.


my apologies!
the discussion was on searching, using , and I made the test on
chickensoup vs chicken  soup. That one recipe showed up in one test
and not the other. Not having a clue WHY, I posted the entire email
involved. That is a daily email I get, with diabetic recipes. I am
diabetic. Obviously I'm so used to skipping those sponsor messages, that
I didn't think anything of it. It wasn't a long message, and I did
change the subject, so those not interested in a SEARCH thread, didn't
have to read it.
sorry!

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toggle-ALT-0 for views, was:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 7:25 PM, you wrote:

rg What do ALT-0  ALT-1 do?

AW It toggles between non-threaded view and thread by references.

MAN, DON'T DO that to me!!!

I decided to try that, and hit ALT-0. WOW! that scared me to death!!!
that was a totally different look, with no threads, no folders showing
for my filters... luckily ALT-1 put me right back to threaded view,
WHEW!
you know, when I first saw the ticker, I laughed and wondered why anyone
would use it, but now, if it stops working, goes off the screen, or I
try a different program, I don't know how to act without it!

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Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

Searching for:
rgchickensoup
PC searched using that method, found 18 messages

rg chicken  soup
PC searched using this method found 17 messages...

dh To confuse even more, sometimes I see less messages in the result
dh list than are counted as result in the statusline. If I press
dh Alt-0/Alt-1 they come up. Very bad, too.

What do ALT-0  ALT-1 do?

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Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

Search for:
rgchickensoup
PC searched using that method, found 18 messages
rg chicken  soup
PC searched using this method found 17 messages...
rg Brings up more questions than it answered for me!
PC the answer is simple:) keep the searches to one word;0) I've never
PC really tried a complex search on an email. You want complex, I'll
PC show you some INFORMIX report queriesG

HEY! That's GREAT! You've volunteered to write informix queries for my
email searches then!!

Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
*RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
want emails where BOTH those words exist):

1) how should I enter the search strings? Is example 1 or 2 above
correct? They report different matches!

2) Is it different from version to version?


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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Urban]

Tuesday, February 24, 2004, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

 the new build 2.04.7

Oh no, not another build...

You are far too supportive for us poor modem users. Why don't you just
start saying that every new release contains surprise new features
like some other software companies I have heard of.
:-)

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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 10:56 AM, you wrote:


rg HEY! That's GREAT! You've volunteered to write informix queries for my
rg email searches then!!

been 10 years since I've written any Informix reports, I like to keep
things simple these days, although using TB is making my life complex
again:)

rg Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
rg *RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
rg want emails where BOTH those words exist):

personally, I'd probably do the search differently. Either just on
JANIS, or use the FROM:, put my name in, then use JANIS as the search.

rg 1) how should I enter the search strings? Is example 1 or 2 above
rg correct? They report different matches!

my test showed 17 return emails on one method, 18 on the other, so they
were probably the same for 90+% of the search.

rg 2) Is it different from version to version?

I can't answer that, did you check the beta archives for SEARCH?

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Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

At this point I need to make sure that you (and everyone else) know
that I am NOT attacking in seeking the answers to this question.
Though my fictitious example may be lame, the question (I think)
deserves a definitive answer (not necessarily by you, of course). I
only seek the truth!

rg Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
rg *RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
rg want emails where BOTH those words exist):
PC personally, I'd probably do the search differently. Either just on
PC JANIS, or use the FROM:, put my name in, then use JANIS as the search.

I don't think you *can* put your name in the FROM and JANIS as the
search term. Can you?

In my example, assume I've sent Janis many hundreds of emails, the
dance was probably over a year ago, and I invited hundreds of folks to this
dance.

The only sane and reliable way to quickly find that one message I seek
is to do an AND search. I am (as I am SURE others are) seeking the
answer to why one search works one way and another the other way.


rg 1) how should I enter the search strings? Is example 1 or 2 above
rg correct? They report different matches!
PC my test showed 17 return emails on one method, 18 on the other, so they
PC were probably the same for 90+% of the search.

This is the root question then!  What is the difference between the 2
versions (with vs w/o spaces around the ) of the search syntax?

With hundreds (or more) of hits 90% isn't good enough.

rg 2) Is it different from version to version?
PC I can't answer that, did you check the beta archives for SEARCH?

I think it may be.

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SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 3:50 PM, you wrote:

rg At this point I need to make sure that you (and everyone else) know
rg that I am NOT attacking in seeking the answers to this question.
rg Though my fictitious example may be lame, the question (I think)
rg deserves a definitive answer (not necessarily by you, of course). I
rg only seek the truth!

oh, I understand completely, and I'm not taking it personally:)
I was kinda hoping someone IN THE KNOW might have chimed in by now..
You've been asking all the right questions, and, from what I can tell,
being totally ignored. Maybe we need to change the subject...

rg Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
rg *RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
rg want emails where BOTH those words exist):
PC personally, I'd probably do the search differently. Either just on
PC JANIS, or use the FROM:, put my name in, then use JANIS as the search.

rg I don't think you *can* put your name in the FROM and JANIS as the
rg search term. Can you?

yes, but that means you have to check the boxes for:
body and sender or recipient.

rg In my example, assume I've sent Janis many hundreds of emails, the
rg dance was probably over a year ago, and I invited hundreds of folks to this
rg dance.

are you married?? is this JANIS a close friend???
( ok, just making a joke!!)

rg The only sane and reliable way to quickly find that one message I seek
rg is to do an AND search. I am (as I am SURE others are) seeking the
rg answer to why one search works one way and another the other way.

well, there is always another way to skin a cat, so I can't say if the
ONLY sane way is to do an AND search.

rg 1) how should I enter the search strings? Is example 1 or 2 above
rg correct? They report different matches!
PC my test showed 17 return emails on one method, 18 on the other, so they
PC were probably the same for 90+% of the search.

rg This is the root question then!  What is the difference between the 2
rg versions (with vs w/o spaces around the ) of the search syntax?
ok, I did a test again for you, same results ( wow!)
18 messages using chickensoup
17 using chicken  soup.

here is the extra message using chickensoup,verbatim, I have no idea
what the difference is. The other 17 emails were the same for both
searches:

DAILY DIABETIC RECIPE -- December 22, 2003 - DailyDiabeticRecipe.com
=
From The Diabetic Gourmet Magazine -- http://DiabeticGourmet.com

 Please Visit This Week's Sponsor Below 

ADORN : HIGH STYLE, LOW PROFILE HANDBAGS FOR DIABETICS

Check out the new designer handbags made specifically for
diabetics.  A stylish purse on one side, with a special removable
compartment for all of your diabetes supplies on the other side.
Portion of proceeds donated to Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.
30-Day Money Back Guarantee. See all the great features of this
beautiful bag by visiting aDorn at http://www.adorndesigns.com
or call our friendly staff at 415.933.8708 for more information.

- End of Sponsor Message ---

CORRECTION: The 12/19/03 dispatch featuring Chicken-Vegetable
Soup with Orzo was missing an ingredient. 1/2 cup frozen peas
should have appeared between the orzo and escarole in the
ingredient list. We apologize for any inconvenience. Happy holidays!

MEXI-BEANS AND GREENS

Yield: 8 servings
Source: 1,001 Recipes For People with Diabetes by Surrey Books
Book info: http://tgcmagazine.com/bin/track/click.cgi?id=24

INGREDIENTS

-  2 cups dry pinto beans
-  1 medium onion, coarsely chopped
-  1 medium poblano chili, chopped
-  1 medium red bell pepper, chopped
-  4 cloves garlic, minced
-  1 tablespoon finely chopped gingerroot
-  2 serrano chilies, finely chopped
-  2 tablespoons olive oil
-  2-3 teaspoons chili powder
-  2 teaspoons dried oregano leaves
-  1 teaspoon ground cumin
-  1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
-  3 cups water
-  1 can (15-ounces) diced tomatoes, undrained
-  2 cups coarsely chopped turnip, or mustard, greens
-  Salt to taste
-  Cilantro, finely chopped, as garnish

DIRECTIONS

Sort and rinse beans, discarding any stones. Cover beans
with 2 inches water in large saucepan; heat to boiling and
boil, uncovered, 2 minutes. Remove from heat and let stand,
covered, 1 hour; drain.

Saute onion, poblano chili, bell pepper, garlic, gingerroot,
and serrano chilies in oil in large saucepan until tender,
8 to 10 minutes. Stir in chili powder, herbs, and cayenne
pepper; cook 1 to 2 minutes longer.

Nutritional Information Per Serving (1/8 of recipe):
Calories: 228, Fat: 4.4 g, Cholesterol: 0 mg,
Sodium: 233 mg, Protein: 11.7 g, Carbohydrate: 37.9 g
Diabetic Exchanges: 2 Bread/Starch, 1 Fat, 2 Vegetable

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Rick Rauterkus]

 This is the root question then!  What is the difference between the 2
 versions (with vs w/o spaces around the ) of the search syntax?
 ok, I did a test again for you, same results ( wow!)
 18 messages using chickensoup
 17 using chicken  soup.

I just did some quick experimenting with this and it seems to me that
the spaces are signicificant, so on the second search you are looking
for chicken  and  soup.  If you search for soup  chicken, you
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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

rg Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
rg *RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
rg want emails where BOTH those words exist):
PC personally, I'd probably do the search differently. Either just on
PC JANIS, or use the FROM:, put my name in, then use JANIS as the search.
rg I don't think you *can* put your name in the FROM and JANIS as the
rg search term. Can you?
PC yes, but that means you have to check the boxes for:
PC body and sender or recipient.

Right, but there's still the fact that we cannot assign search term W
to being ONLY in the field X AND search term Y restricted to the field
Z.

I've tried to get this defined before and was told to go use Eudora
or something like that, but less politely!

And by the way, Janis is my sister, neither of us dance, and thank you
for the recipe!

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 5:29 PM, you wrote:
rg Right, but there's still the fact that we cannot assign search term W
rg to being ONLY in the field X AND search term Y restricted to the field
rg Z.

you are correct, I never really thought about that.  The advanced
search mode, is a little less than advanced, I'll agree.

rg I've tried to get this defined before and was told to go use Eudora
rg or something like that, but less politely!

not very nice, especially for this list!

rg And by the way, Janis is my sister, neither of us dance, and thank you
rg for the recipe!

I think I left the subscribe info in that email. I am diabetic, I do
subscribe to a number of recipe lists, and I've used the Mealmaster
recipe program for a NUMBER of years. I probably have well over 100,000
recipes in my databases. And a few more in email format from other
lists. And I do usually search on just chicken, even for recipes:)
I can cull the SOUP recipes out of the hits. And my wife and I ( 32
years) took ballroom dancing many years ago. we need to brush up on the
waltz soon, as our son is getting married in May!


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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Roel]

Hi Paul

On 25 Feb 2004 16:17:06  (my local time 22:17:06), Paul Cartwright
wrote:

PC 18 messages using chickensoup
PC 17 using chicken  soup.

PC here is the extra message using chickensoup,verbatim, I have no idea
PC what the difference is. The other 17 emails were the same for both
PC searches:

I ran some tests here  I came up with this:
* searching for 'chickensoup' will search for messages that will have
  both 'chicken' and 'soup' in it
* searching for 'chicken  soup' will search for messages that will
  have both 'chicken ' and ' soup' in it

Notice the extra space behind chicken and in front of soup in the
second search pattern! 

This behaviour may be very confusing if you don't know about it, and
even if you do know you'll still have to keep it in mind.
It certainly can make the syntax for a search look quite illogical
when you're used to google's syntax.

Maybe it's time for a
google-like search syntax option-feature-request?

Imho that would make searching more logical for a lot of users...
(but then again, I don't search that often in TB)

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[MAU]

Hello Paul,

 Subject: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

Thanks for changing the subject :-)

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 5:37 PM, you wrote:

R I ran some tests here  I came up with this:
R * searching for 'chickensoup' will search for messages that will have
R   both 'chicken' and 'soup' in it
R * searching for 'chicken  soup' will search for messages that will
R   have both 'chicken ' and ' soup' in it

R Notice the extra space behind chicken and in front of soup in the
R second search pattern! 

that makes perfect sense, and I'm glad someone figured it out!
I would vote for just using chickensoup as it probably will get the
most hits. If you started a sentence with Soup, it won't have a leading
space, and that search chicken  soup won't find it.

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 5:44 PM, you wrote:

M Hello Paul,

 Subject: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

M Thanks for changing the subject :-)

I remember a potato subject, not too long ago, that went totally off the
deep end;) I like it when subjects make sense, especially when I am busy
and DELETE threads I'm not interested in. Too many times I remember that
I responded to a thread, then started hitting CTRL-SHFT-DEL and OOPS,
there goes my replies ( if there were any:)
I got real tired of that recent thread, where all the messages concerned
Xandros. This was in TBOT, not here, but the point is, all the messages
dealt with Xandros, and had nothing to do with the subject.
I really like that idea of starting subjects with a 2-letter shortcut to
what the topic is...

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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello rich,

rg What do ALT-0  ALT-1 do?

It toggles between non-threaded view and thread by references.

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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello Mark,

on Mon, 23. Feb 2004 at 21:07:05 + you wrote:

M I then checked the Help About Box, and my version number had
M reverted back to 2.01.3!

Probably you have two installations somewhere..
Do a systemwide search for thebat.exe..

M What is happening! I had to blink several times.

Can imagine..


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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello Mark,

Monday, February 23, 2004, 10:23:46 PM, you wrote:

M Just upgraded from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4 - disasters! The
M Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the
M Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then
M a crash). How do I get back to the old version!

You shouldn't go back, move further forward - the new build 2.04.7
solves the problem with moving to 2.04 from versions earlier than
2.02.

It's now available from TB! official home page


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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Greg Strong]

Hello Stefan,

Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 9:53:25 AM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

ST You shouldn't go back, move further forward - the new build 2.04.7
ST solves the problem

Just thought I'd let you know the Back button did not work on the
install for me.


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Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

E I have never had luck searching for more than one word, but
E the search mechanism works fine (through single or multiple
E folders).

I *think* various versions of TB! expect the search term to be entered
differently... My earlier version wanted
   chickensoup
but the newer version works with
chicken  soup


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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 12:48 PM, you wrote:

E I have never had luck searching for more than one word, but
E the search mechanism works fine (through single or multiple
E folders).

rg I *think* various versions of TB! expect the search term to be entered
rg differently... My earlier version wanted
rgchickensoup

searched using that method, found 18 messages


rg but the newer version works with
rg chicken  soup

searched using this method found 17 messages...




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[rich gregory]

rg I *think* various versions of TB! expect the search term to be entered
rg differently... My earlier version wanted
rgchickensoup
PC searched using that method, found 18 messages

rg but the newer version works with
rg chicken  soup
PC searched using this method found 17 messages...

Brings up more questions than it answered for me!

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