Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Friday, October 15, 2004, 22:55, MFPA wrote: I suspect Thorvald meant that when the filters are working the message is sorted to the correct folder and so the correct folder template is invoked. ;-) Yep. ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ | The Bat! v3.0.1.33 | PopFile v0.22.0 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) +---+ | Get Firefox - Take back the web! | | http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=22411amp;t=1 | +---+ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Hi On Thursday, 30 September, 2004, at 3:40:10 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: TN At least when the filters are working... ;) Filters? They don't relate to folder templates. Are you sure that's what you meant? I suspect Thorvald meant that when the filters are working the message is sorted to the correct folder and so the correct folder template is invoked. ;-) -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Hello Marck, Thursday, September 30, 2004, 10:34:25 PM, you wrote: MDP I do this by putting each of these subscripts into Quick Templates. I MDP then put the name of the QT containing the list specific suffix in the MDP AB entry for each, in the phone number field. My signature then looks MDP like this: MDP %if:%ABtoPhone:%qinclude(%ABtoPhone)%- MDP %qinclude(vsig) MDP That means a single template works for all lists and the lists that MDP need extras, get them. I am very interested in this conversation because I also belong to lots mailing lists and write to lots of people with different sigs and in different languages. But I'm still learning macro language, and templates, and QTs, and everything. Let me see if I understood your idea. You create a ABGroup for the several lists. You create a QT for each sig. You put the QT handle in the phone number field, in the case you have a specific sig for that group. Now your macro: if the phone number field has some text in it, the QT with that handle should be included, if not a QT with the handle vsig is included. Is this right? This macro should be written in the exact place I want the signature, right? Because I want the QT to be applied at that exact position. Is this correct? I am sorry for righting such a confusing text, but I am trying to see if I understood this correctly. Apart from the Help File, is there any other reference where I might study the macro language and the Templates and QT? -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The BAT! 3.0.1 RC2 pgpPNWmSvVVMM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Cristina, @2-Oct-2004, 07:34 Cristina Ramos [CR] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP %if:%ABtoPhone:%qinclude(%ABtoPhone)%- MDP %qinclude(vsig) CR Let me see if I understood your idea. You create a ABGroup for the CR several lists. You create a QT for each sig. You put the QT handle CR in the phone number field, in the case you have a specific sig for CR that group. Yes. CR Now your macro: if the phone number field has some text in it, the CR QT with that handle should be included, if not a QT with the CR handle vsig is included. Is this right? Almost. The vsig QT is always included. Conditional inclusion would look like this: %if:%ABtoPhone:%qinclude(%ABtoPhone)%- :%qinclude(vsig)%- where the %qinclude(vsig) is now formatted as an else part of the %if. CR This macro should be written in the exact place I want the CR signature, right? Because I want the QT to be applied at that CR exact position. Is this correct? Yes. CR I am sorry for righting such a confusing text, but I am trying to CR see if I understood this correctly. CR Apart from the Help File, is there any other reference where I CR might study the macro language and the Templates and QT? Sure - the http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq.html site leads to quite a few. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user SB! v3.0.1 RC3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpcDafm7NpUq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Hello Marck, Saturday, October 2, 2004, 8:05:06 AM, you wrote: MDP Almost. The vsig QT is always included. Conditional inclusion would MDP look like this: MDP %if:%ABtoPhone:%qinclude(%ABtoPhone)%- MDP :%qinclude(vsig)%- MDP where the %qinclude(vsig) is now formatted as an else part of the %if. I noticed that because I copied your macro, just changing vsig to Gsig, which is my Generic Sig and tested the mailing lists group template. Both signatures appeared. So I looked better and spotted the missing colon and . (I'm learning...) CR Apart from the Help File, is there any other reference where I CR might study the macro language and the Templates and QT? MDP Sure - the http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq.html site leads to MDP quite a few. Thanks a lot. -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal :flag-portugal: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The BAT! 3.0.1 RC2 pgpBN9Ztiib2O.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Julian, Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:09:04 PM, you wrote: OK. But nevertheless, the way TB! handles alias addresses could be improved IMHO. There should be an easier way to pick alias addresses (if you have many and switch them often) other than selecting a folder that has the correct identity (which sounds like a workaround to me). Try Options|Active Account in the message editor window, or right click on the account name shown in the status bar at the bottom of the message editor window. If you change the account before you enter any text into the body of the message, it will apply the new default account template/sig. Thats not what I meant, I meant mail aliases, not accounts (different FROM address, same account). An account can (ideally) have an unlimited number of mail addresses. For example, my email account I'm using here has the alias [EMAIL PROTECTED] - the mails simply go into the same account and I receive them in one go when I check the account. What TB! would need is a clever way of handling mail aliases (taking them from the personal vCard in the account properties, for example), at least as FROM addresses... gotta do a little bit of brainstorming and maybe fill in a feature request. :-) -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
ON Sunday, September 26, 2004, 5:12:47 PM, you wrote: In Address Book templates for certain contacts, you can use the %From= macro. RTT I won't need that, as I will add this to the folder template :-) Raymund, I would take Roelofs suggestion. If you add this to the AB template for that contact, you will never have to worry about which e-mail alias to use. If you add it to the folder template, you might not be on the right folder for that contact when you send a new e-mail or reply to one. Folder templates have to be treated very carefully. They are both a blessing and a curse. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: After 18 holes I can barely walk Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 15:53, Gerard wrote: Folder templates have to be treated very carefully. They are both a blessing and a curse. Why are folder templates a curse? So far (== the last five years), they have been a blessing for me... At least when the filters are working... ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Thorvald, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:18:19 +0200GMT Thorvald Neumann wrote: Why are folder templates a curse? So far (== the last five years), they have been a blessing for me... At least when the filters are working... ;) ... and you are always in the correct folder when replying ;-) -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 BayesIt! 0.6.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Thorvald, @30-Sep-2004, 16:18 +0200 (30-Sep 15:18 UK time) Thorvald Neumann [TN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Gerard: Folder templates have to be treated very carefully. They are both a blessing and a curse. TN Why are folder templates a curse? It's been a while ... about time I trotted out the stock essay: stock lecture I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named Folder Templates. In 150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly. There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates. There are dangers in using Folder Templates that are not there when you use AB templates. The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in templates which use the %TO= macro. If, at the instant you start a new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail. BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] without a %TO='' before it. So any pre-existing addresses are retained. Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to something I've said with comments like 'danger' is a bit harsh or I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for me. ... snip It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw. The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended. With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind. Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are a bit trickier. Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you have to click to the right of the new message button and select the list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is* a favourite in the address book). /stock lecture TN So far (== the last five years), they have been a blessing for TN me... ... and a danger for others. TN At least when the filters are working... ;) Filters? They don't relate to folder templates. Are you sure that's what you meant? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp1lMf2i1Ox5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 7:40:10 AM, you wrote: MDP With address book templates, there is never a mistake MDP of this kind. Replies are perfectly directed. New MDP messages are a bit trickier. Instead of clicking to MDP the folder then clicking for a new message, you have MDP to click to the right of the new message button and MDP select the list address from the favourites (having MDP denoted that the address *is* a favourite in the MDP address book). /stock lecture What happens if you send a mail to several addresses having different templates, though ..? -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.0.14 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 16:32, Feli Wilcke wrote: ... and you are always in the correct folder when replying ;-) Yes, that's where the message waits for reading/deleting or reading/replying. Just wondering: Aren't you always in the right folder? ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! I am using folder templates mainly for official standard and/or mailinglist communications (next to Account Templates). I do not see anything bad about that. I guess adding AB templates for each mailinglist member is a tedious task... ;) I am using AB templates only for special people which need a special treatment... ;) And yes, I meant filters... because I sort mail automatically into the right folders... -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Lynn, @30-Sep-2004, 07:47 -0700 (30-Sep 15:47 UK time) Lynn [L] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this MDP kind. ... snip L What happens if you send a mail to several addresses L having different templates, though ..? That is generally poor practice IMHO, although I can see cases for it happening. I personally choose one name as the primary recipient with others as CC's - even if it's only yourself being chosen. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgprqdtHOfgl2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Thorvald, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:51:44 +0200GMT Thorvald Neumann wrote: ... and you are always in the correct folder when replying ;-) Yes, that's where the message waits for reading/deleting or reading/replying. Just wondering: Aren't you always in the right folder? ;) No, it happens very often that I open a message for replying, then minimize it for replying later, change folders to read other messages and then reply to the first message. Then I'm usually in another folder than the one the message belongs to. But I have no problems with that because I have no folder templates ;-) -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 BayesIt! 0.6.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 7:58:19 AM, you wrote: MDP That is generally poor practice IMHO, although I can MDP see cases for it happening. I personally choose one MDP name as the primary recipient with others as CC's - MDP even if it's only yourself being chosen. But the selected template in that case would be the one attached to the primary mail ..? I use CC and also BCC, and don't often send out 'mass' mails, but for some things I do .. and sometimes the templates wouldn't match .. I have had some problems with folder templates that I'd like to fix, (inspite of some really aggressive searching, TB is still calling some non-existent old files, references to which I can't find in any of the config files) but I'm not sure I'd want to comb the AB (which is fairly big), and build templates for a material percentage of it ... It *might* be worth it, if the AB templates override the template settings in the folder configs .. do they? tnx .. -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.0.14 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 17:10, Feli Wilcke wrote: Then I'm usually in another folder than the one the message belongs to. The original message window will retain the focus on the folder from which you opened the message window. And so it will use the folder templates from its parent folder. -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else 27-Sep-2004 00:09, you wrote: There's a distinct difference between folder identities and folder templates. Folder templates won't be used in case an AB template is triggered, but the folder identity will be used as long as the folder is selected, just as the account settings are used when the account is selected. OK. But nevertheless, the way TB! handles alias addresses could be improved IMHO. There should be an easier way to pick alias addresses (if you have many and switch them often) other than selecting a folder that has the correct identity (which sounds like a workaround to me). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Thorvald, @30-Sep-2004, 16:56 +0200 (30-Sep 15:56 UK time) Thorvald Neumann [TN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: TN I am using folder templates mainly for official standard and/or TN mailinglist communications That's the one. Right there. You said it. That's the 'danger zone'. TN (next to Account Templates). I do not see anything bad about TN that. What's bad is what happens when you try to write to someone off-list. Your folder template forces it right back onlist and there you are, facial egg neatly applied. It happens over and over. Like I said in my stock lecture - some wise guy always says it's always worked for me. Believe me - that's wrong. You didn't add so far. TN I guess adding AB templates for each mailinglist member is a TN tedious task... ;) Why would you do that? You send messages *to* the list address. Add the list address! Better still, put it in a group called lists and define a single group template for all them! TN I am using AB templates only for special people which need a TN special treatment... ;) Well, that's /one/ way to do it... TN And yes, I meant filters... because I sort mail automatically TN into the right folders... And how do you sort your cursor into the right folder? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpZdHu4CDJr2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Lynn, @30-Sep-2004, 08:25 -0700 (30-Sep 16:25 UK time) Lynn [L] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP That is generally poor practice IMHO, although I can MDP see cases for it happening. I personally choose one MDP name as the primary recipient with others as CC's - MDP even if it's only yourself being chosen. L But the selected template in that case would be the one L attached to the primary mail ..? Yes ... chosen wisely ;-). And if the main recipient has the wrong style of template, I choose one that has the right style, edit the body then change the recipient. (The 'edit the body' bit is important because while the body is unchanged, any change to the primary recipient reverts the body to the template I didn't want). L I use CC and also BCC, and don't often send out 'mass' mails, but L for some things I do .. and sometimes the templates wouldn't match L .. I send jokes to a list of friends. It's a long list, and they all go in the BCC. The main recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... snip L files) but I'm not sure I'd want to comb the AB (which is fairly L big), and build templates for a material percentage of it ... L It *might* be worth it, if the AB templates override the L template settings in the folder configs .. do they? Yes :-). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgplBWxRoyCOc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hallo Lynn, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:47:34 -0700GMT (30-9-2004, 16:47 +0200, where I live), you wrote: L What happens if you send a mail to several addresses L having different templates, though ..? TB picks the template for the first recipient. -- Groetjes, Roelof That was then, this is now. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpoTzqm3qn39.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hallo Lynn, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:25:11 -0700GMT (30-9-2004, 17:25 +0200, where I live), you wrote: L It *might* be worth it, if the AB templates override the L template settings in the folder configs .. do they? This is the order of precedence: Personal AB templates AB group templates Folder templates Account templates Mind that AB templates have to be triggered before you start the typing of the text. If you start typing and then select an address, there's no way that TB will translate your text into the appropriate AB template. The other exception is a mass mailing, because when you're doing a mass mailing you select the template manually and that overrides any preferences you might have configured for the recipients.. -- Groetjes, Roelof Cannibals don't eat lawyers. Professional courtesy. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp0ZpcKuTXTL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hallo Thorvald, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:56:35 +0200GMT (30-9-2004, 16:56 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TN I am using folder templates mainly for official standard and/or TN mailinglist communications (next to Account Templates). I do not see TN anything bad about that. I guess adding AB templates for each TN mailinglist member is a tedious task... ;) But you don't have to make individual AB templates, you can make AB group templates. Don't tell it any further, but that's what I'm doing for the TB lists, I threw them into the same AB group and created group templates. Works flawlessly, also before my moderating days when I was using different From: addresses for all lists. The From was taken from the folder identity and the template from the AB. That was also the reason that I never crossposted. TN And yes, I meant filters... because I sort mail automatically into TN the right folders... That's what I'm doing too, otherwise the identities don't work. -- Groetjes, Roelof Hollywood: A trip through a sewer in a glass bottom boat. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpHo3KKWNTVr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 17:33, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: That's the 'danger zone'. I do not know why this should be *the* danger zone. What's bad is what happens when you try to write to someone off-list. I manually pick the address from the From: and insert it (I have always done this this way)... This works estonishingly well... ;) And the recipient should see my mailinglist sig. I never thought about an easier solution... Your folder template forces it right back onlist and there you are, facial egg neatly applied. Sorry, it is not the fault of the template but merely of the Reply-To which many mailinglists automatically generate (and that's good). And it has so far worked for me and will surely work in five years or more, too. Better still, put it in a group called lists and define a single group template for all them! That's a nice idea. I never thought on that, must be there are a lot of different topic lists which need it Well, that's /one/ way to do it... As you demonstrated, there is at least /one/ other way to do it... ;) And how do you sort your cursor into the right folder? Manually. If I want to read mails from one list, I click on the folder et voilà, the mails appear in the message pane. ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:33:36 AM, you wrote: MDP Why would you do that? MDP You send messages *to* the list address. Add the list MDP address! Better still, put it in a group called MDP lists and define a single group template for all MDP them! Won't work for me .. I don't know what Thorvald does, but my sig file is different on all my lists .. you guys here aren't interested in my sewing set up, and the fish people don't care which version of Win I'm using, much less the version of TB ;-) I do generally use the same sig file for personal correspondence from a particular list, but I also occasionally use different accounts for personal correspondence. I think, though, that I might set up a few AB filters and see how it goes ... if they override the folder filters, that should be OK at least in some cases. If it generalizes pretty well, I'll gradually shift it all over. No way can I do it all at once, though ... it would take hours. -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 10:08:21 AM, you wrote: TN I manually pick the address from the From: and insert TN it (I have TN always done this this way)... This works estonishingly TN well... ;) And TN the recipient should see my mailinglist sig. TN I never thought about an easier solution... This is the way I do it too .. Your folder template forces it right back onlist and there you are, facial egg neatly applied. I think this did happen to me once; made me more cautious :-) TN Sorry, it is not the fault of the template but TN merely of the Reply-To which many mailinglists TN automatically generate (and that's good). I agree. TN And it has so far worked for me and will surely work TN in five years or more, too. Well, that was what I was thinking; I rarely open the ab to send a mail, but it's learning new things that keeps us young, right? lol! It's worth a shot ... -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:44:54 AM, you wrote: L It *might* be worth it, if the AB L templates override the L template settings in the folder configs .. L do they? MDP Yes :-). OK, then I can dink around with impunity, and figure out the best way to work this out :-) Thanks! -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:49:11 AM, you wrote: RO TB picks the template for the first recipient. Mmm. So the first recipient needs to be a 'neutral' one, not, say, my husband, whose template is *not* neutral :-) But Mark's idea is probably the best one in the case of the long list of bcc recipients; just make the primary recipient yourself. And make sure your own template is neutral. It will take a little while to see if this works, but as so many of you are so committed to the idea that it's best, I'll give it another shot. I tried it briefly in an earlier release, and didn't like it for some reason I now can't recall. I'll get right on it :-) -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:55:18 AM, you wrote: RO This is the order of precedence: RO Personal AB templates RO AB group templates RO Folder templates RO Account templates Thank you! That clarifies it somewhat .. RO Mind that AB templates have to be triggered before you RO start the typing of the text. If you start typing and RO then select an address, there's no way that TB will RO translate your text into the appropriate AB template. RO The other exception is a mass mailing, because when RO you're doing a mass mailing you select the template RO manually and that overrides any preferences you might RO have configured for the recipients.. So in a situation where I have a bunch of people filed under a group, if there are no personal templates specified for those people, the group template would be invoked if I initialized a mail to an individual ..? I don't always mail *everybody* in a particular group at the same time - I'll mess around with it. It's a help to have a precedence list. Thanks! -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 21:47, Lynn wrote: Won't work for me .. I don't know what Thorvald does, but my sig file is different on all my lists ... As are my sigs (only TB-Lists share the same, which I cp'ed to the different folder templates). -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Lynn, @30-Sep-2004, 12:47 -0700 (30-Sep 20:47 UK time) Lynn [L] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP You send messages *to* the list address. Add the list address! MDP Better still, put it in a group called lists and define a MDP single group template for all them! L Won't work for me .. I don't know what Thorvald does, but my sig L file is different on all my lists .. you guys here aren't L interested in my sewing set up, and the fish people don't care L which version of Win I'm using, much less the version of TB ;-) I do this by putting each of these subscripts into Quick Templates. I then put the name of the QT containing the list specific suffix in the AB entry for each, in the phone number field. My signature then looks like this: %if:%ABtoPhone:%qinclude(%ABtoPhone)%- %qinclude(vsig) That means a single template works for all lists and the lists that need extras, get them. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpar8GX4Fkeo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
On Thursday, September 30, 2004, 4:29:56 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: OK. But nevertheless, the way TB! handles alias addresses could be improved IMHO. There should be an easier way to pick alias addresses (if you have many and switch them often) other than selecting a folder that has the correct identity (which sounds like a workaround to me). Try Options|Active Account in the message editor window, or right click on the account name shown in the status bar at the bottom of the message editor window. If you change the account before you enter any text into the body of the message, it will apply the new default account template/sig. Julian -- Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 22:14, Lynn wrote: TN I manually pick the address from the From: and insert it (I TN have always done this this way)... This works estonishingly TN well... ;) And the recipient should see my mailinglist sig. TN TN I never thought about an easier solution... This is the way I do it too .. Another way is to use Reply all and manually delete the list address from the CC. The To: will get the orginal sender's address. Well, that was what I was thinking; I rarely open the ab to send a mail, but it's learning new things that keeps us young, right? lol! Even after years with TB, you can discover new functions every day. :) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mail aliases
Hi TBUDL, maybe this was asked already but I have no clue for what I should search... Using GMX you can define mail aliases which use mainly the same account but set another mail address on sending. This is useful sometimes, but you have to set the alias in the web interface which isn't useful... Is there a way to tell TB! to use such an alias other than defining an account for it? That's what I had done in the past for a special alias, but if I would like to use some more now. And defining a alias account for every alias is a bit too much, as sometimes I hit the get mail button on the wrong account... -- Regards, Raymund Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Raymund Thomas Tump everyone else 26-Sep-2004 16:32, you wrote: Is there a way to tell TB! to use such an alias other than defining an account for it? That's what I had done in the past for a special alias, but if I would like to use some more now. And defining a alias account for every alias is a bit too much, as sometimes I hit the get mail button on the wrong account... When you write a message, simply select to show the from field (in the view menu), and overwrite the from address with the alias, thats what I do... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.0.18 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 All those who believe in psychokinesis... raise my hand. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hallo Raymund, On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:32:35 +0200GMT (26-9-2004, 16:32 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RTT Is there a way to tell TB! to use such an alias other than defining an RTT account for it At the folder properties you can set the identity. In Address Book templates for certain contacts, you can use the %From= macro. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.18 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpZVxMN4Nbyb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Hi Alexander, When you write a message, simply select to show the from field (in the view menu), and overwrite the from address with the alias, thats what I do... Yes, but how can I fill the list if I don't create accounts for the aliases? -- Regards, Raymund Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hi Roelof, RTT Is there a way to tell TB! to use such an alias other than defining an RTT account for it At the folder properties you can set the identity. So I need to create folders for every alias, well that's makes sense... In Address Book templates for certain contacts, you can use the %From= macro. I won't need that, as I will add this to the folder template :-) -- Regards, Raymund Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Raymund Thomas Tump everyone else 26-Sep-2004 17:05, you wrote: When you write a message, simply select to show the from field (in the view menu), and overwrite the from address with the alias, thats what I do... Yes, but how can I fill the list if I don't create accounts for the aliases? Hmmm, why fill the list? You can simply type it in... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.0.18 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 In a way, science must be described as paranoid thinking applied to nature: we are looking for natural conspiracies, for connections among apparently disparate data. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hi Raymund, on Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:05:57 +0200GMT, you wrote: When you write a message, simply select to show the from field (in the view menu), and overwrite the from address with the alias, thats what I do... RTT Yes, but how can I fill the list if I don't create accounts for the RTT aliases? You can enter into the From field whatever you want, except for the domain part. :-) -- Cheers Peter Originality is the art of concealing your sources. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hi Alexander, Yes, but how can I fill the list if I don't create accounts for the aliases? Hmmm, why fill the list? You can simply type it in... Well... I got that just too late. But then I have to do it everytime as the list isn't updated. I think I will setup some folders for the alias mails and assign folder identities to them. -- Regards, Raymund Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Raymund Thomas Tump everyone else 26-Sep-2004 19:13, you wrote: Hmmm, why fill the list? You can simply type it in... Well... I got that just too late. But then I have to do it everytime as the list isn't updated. I agree. It would be nice if TB would pick the mail adresses offered as from field from the personal vCard settings of the account properties, if one has more than one alias/address. I think I will setup some folders for the alias mails and assign folder identities to them. I don't like folder templates. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.0.18 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can't do this. -- Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives for 3-M Post-It Notepads. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hallo Alexander, On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 20:35:37 +0200GMT (26-9-2004, 20:35 +0200, where I live), you wrote: I think I will setup some folders for the alias mails and assign folder identities to them. ASK I don't like folder templates. :-) There's a distinct difference between folder identities and folder templates. Folder templates won't be used in case an AB template is triggered, but the folder identity will be used as long as the folder is selected, just as the account settings are used when the account is selected. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0.18 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpKXrsRPo0E8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
