Re[2]: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-15 Thread John Rainer

Monday, July 15, 2002, 5:19:02 AM, you wrote:

JA Hi Nick,
JA On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:16:33 -0700, you wrote:

 I understand that MS will not be supporting Win 2K for very much longer, so
 I'm curious if XP Pro can be just as secure and stable as Win 2K if you know
 what you are doing.

JA I thought it was Windows 9x/ME... didn't realise they were dropping support for
JA 2K as well... An unusual move seeing as they have not really been pushing WinXP
JA as a server product yet (not that I'd noticed anyway)

The lifecycles and support options are at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycleconsumer.asp There are a
number of W2K questions and answers at the foot of the page relating
to business use.

John Rainer



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Re: Showing Position in Tree View, when viewing messages in extra window

2002-07-15 Thread Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer

Hello Marck,

Monday, July 15, 2002, 12:42:35 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:


CS   If I hopen an email in an extra window (eg via double click on
CS   message) and now move to the next or the previews message, the
CS   highlight bar from the tree view (or list) does not follow ...

 No, that's because (if you look at the window header) you've opened a
 *folder* and not a message. Turn on the message list in the folder
 view and you'll see the message list attached to that particular
 folder view.

THANK YOU!! My god, TheBat has so many features I don't know and now I
am using it already for such a long time :)

CS   Is it possible to active this ? Or is this a planned feature ?

 No it is not. The way it works is perfect, that each folder view has
 its own message list and memory of which message is being viewed.

Yip you are right!

Best regards, Clemens
written with TheBat! 1.60q
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Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Kevin Tea

Hi ,

I  am  trying  to  get  The  Bat! to pick up messages after running an
anti-spam filter program. The help file gives me the advice below:

/CHECKaccount mask1[;account mask2[;account mask3[...]]]

As  commasndf lines etc are a dafrk and arcane black art to me are the
account details the email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) the name I have given
the  account  within  The  Bat (Private or Business etc) or the server
details (mail.isp.com)

Thanks for any help.

Regards
Kevin
http://www.pdapro.co.uk
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Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-15 Thread Gerd Ewald

Hello Marcus Ohlström !

  
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:10:53 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was 14.07.2002, 14:10 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:


 I could find no links to a 'regex tester', but found the one
 (searching google) that gets integrated with the Bat's help dialog

 I missinterpreted this, I thought Tack had found a regex tester
 integrated somewhere in the help file you get if you hit F1. I
 couldn't find this myself and therefore asked my question.

Well, Dirk's regex tester does exactly this as long as you do not use
the HTML-version. If you hit F1 you get an additional tab panel


 I have followed Gerd's regex tutorial carefully (which I'm sure Gerd
 could verify), it's not that I'm not - as you state - in earnest about
 reading the tutorial.

Verified!! :-)))

I finished the last part, but I can't get it copied from my laptop :-(
Keep fingers crossed ;-))


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 Gerd 
===
Tutorial PGP and TB! and How to Use Regular Expressions
in TB! at www.pro-privacy.de
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in his subject and how to avoid them.
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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Kevin,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:43:09 +0100GMT (15-7-02, 8:43 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

KT /CHECKaccount mask1[;account mask2[;account mask3[...]]]

Use for account the name you've given to the account in TB. (In the
tree panel next to the blue '@')
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Cannot restore in newly installed version

2002-07-15 Thread Hanspeter Schaffner

Hello,

I got a new PC and installed a new BAT! Version 1.54q.

I backed up everything from 1.53 on my old laptop and tried to restore
from that backup file but it won't work.

When I start TB I get the screen create new account. I select
restore from a backup, select the file and and press next.

Then I get the assistent that shows the name of the account.

I press ok and get the message from the assistent restore
finished, Infos about source and destination. - But nothing has
happened. Nothing is restored. When I press ok I get back to the
window where I shall select the account. When I press ok it tries to
restore again, when I press cancel nothing happens. It is just a
slope.

I need my mail. Please help!

BTW: can somebody tell me what happened to the German beginner list?

TIA  Regards

Hanspeter Schaffner

Windowsplatform Windows 95
majorversion 4
Buildnumber 
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Replace text macro

2002-07-15 Thread Chanchao


Quick question.. is it possible to do the following:

After replying to a message, my template puts the original date in a header
line (On day month year, so-and-so wrote:...)

Now I would like to translate this date from English into another language,
so change for example 'Monday' into 'Lundi', Tuesday into Mardi' and so
on, same with the months of the year.  Is there such a macro and can it be
run AFTER the date is inserted?

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Re: Replace text macro

2002-07-15 Thread Ochrid

Hello Chanchao,

Monday, July 15, 2002, 10:26:50 AM, you wrote:



C Quick question.. is it possible to do the following:

C After replying to a message, my template puts the original date in a header
C line (On day month year, so-and-so wrote:...)

C Now I would like to translate this date from English into another language,

Have a look here:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html
The Faq 'How do I?' pages also give  the languages ID's for a
whole lot of languages ( macro's). It is a bit difficult to find
your way around at first, but all the info is there.


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Re: how to split digest mail to individual mail using the Bat ?

2002-07-15 Thread Adhitya Fajar Anggoro

e-mailnya Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--cut
L 1) extract the message attachments to a folder on your system. You
L could create a temp folder.

L 2) run an external command:

L C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe
L /importu=accountname;F=folder;I=C:\Program Files\The Bat!\temp\*.msg;DEL

L This command will import the attachments, the messages within the
L digest, to the TB! folder of your choice.

L This is the same as Januk  said, only in more words.
--cut

Thank you for the explanation.
Athought the digest e-mail I receive don't have attachment.

I will try the method you told me and let you know with the result.

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Re[2]: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Kevin Tea

Hello Roelof,

Ah,  thanks.  So  where the spamkiller says run this program I use the
line:

C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe/CHECKEmailServer ?

Or is there more  and stuff to insert?

(I should have asked that first time, sorry!)

Regards
Kevin
http://www.pdapro.co.uk



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RO Hallo Kevin,

RO On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:43:09 +0100GMT (15-7-02, 8:43 +0200GMT, where I
RO live), you wrote:

KT /CHECKaccount mask1[;account mask2[;account mask3[...]]]

RO Use for account the name you've given to the account in TB. (In the
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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Greg Strong [GS] wrote:

GS Little OT, but from experience you didn't mention one other
GS important factor/possibility that is of hardware being put in the
GS mix.

:-) Absolutely.

My XP system here was initially the most unstable experience I've ever
had with an operating system. Turns out to be the video card, the
drivers for it and the system BIOS. I updated the system BIOS, and
used the latest drivers from MS and haven't had a problem since.

That's NT for you. It can be rock solid once it's properly outfitted
with compatible hardware with good drivers. A bad driver can however
bring it to its knees. If you're getting regular BSOD's with XP, your
problem lies there.

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Re: Cannot restore in newly installed version

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Hanspeter Schaffner [HS] wrote:

HS When I start TB I get the screen create new account. I select
HS restore from a backup, select the file and and press next.

HS Then I get the assistent that shows the name of the account.

HS I press ok and get the message from the assistent restore
HS finished, Infos about source and destination. - But nothing has
HS happened. Nothing is restored.

This sort of thing happens when there's something wrong with the
backup. It would appear that the backup process just backs things up
without checking validity of some things like the paths. However, the
restore process has to do this.

The first time I tried to restore a backup to a new installation on a
new computer, it wouldn't run. It turns out that the path to the
attachments folder in one of my accounts was pointing to a drive that
didn't exist on the old or new system. Since I was keeping attachments
in message bodies, the setting wasn't really affecting the functioning
of the old installation. However, the restore process wouldn't work!

It took me a while to figure out the problem. So I'd suggest that you
go through the old installation and look for any problems that may be
there, like incorrect paths, bad templates etc. If not, then you'll
have to manually move the installation across and then upgrade it.


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Re: SMTP server report

2002-07-15 Thread John Phillips




Hello Jonathan
You wrote  On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, at 16:16:09 [GMT -0500] (07:16:09 Monday, 15 July 2002 
where I live):-

 Just out of curiousity, what is wrong with your ISPs DNS servers?  Why do you
 need to run your own servers?


I can't speak of course for any one else, but in my case I travel a lot
(international);  I use GRIC for global access.  However now days a lot of SMTP
servers won't accept mail from me (spamming ???), so I find using my own SMTP
server has overcome this problem.

BTW I use Mail Direct, very simple but not free.  www.ocloudsoft.com

-- 
Regards,
John Phillips   Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTML mail  spam not welcome.

Using Bat! 1.60q 7BE05C47 - Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build   ASony Vaio 
Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram


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Re: SMTP server report

2002-07-15 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi John,
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:32:30 +1000, you wrote:

 I can't speak of course for any one else, but in my case I travel a lot
 (international);  I use GRIC for global access.  However now days a lot of
 SMTP servers won't accept mail from me (spamming ???), so I find using my own
 SMTP server has overcome this problem.

That confused me for a second, I was trying to work out the link between mail
servers not accepting, and DNS servers, and suddenly realised you'd gone back to
the mail server question ;)  A lot of mail servers won't relay mail from a
non-local service (for example a member of their dial-up services).  I'd have
thought GRIC would offer their own SMTP server that should work just fine, I
could be wrong though.

-- 
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Re: Cannot restore in newly installed version

2002-07-15 Thread Hanspeter Schaffner

Hello Allie,

Thanks.

 If not, then you'll
 have to manually move the installation across and then upgrade it.

I was able to move installations on DOS level; but in Windows? - I
don't know what to move. I do not want to mess up my new virginal
systems :-) - or is it enough to move the content of the
\mail\-folder?

-- 

TIA, Regards

Hanspeter

The Bat! v1.53t unter Windows 95
4.0 Build   B



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Re[2]: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Kevin Tea

Hello Roelof,

Well,   I   tried   using   C:\Program   Files\The
Bat!\thebat.exe//CHECKEmailServer  where  EmailServer  is  the  name
beside the Blue @ but it won't start to pick up the emails.

Regards
Kevin
http://www.pdapro.co.uk



Monday, July 15, 2002, 8:55:56 AM, you wrote:

RO Hallo Kevin,

RO On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:43:09 +0100GMT (15-7-02, 8:43 +0200GMT, where I
RO live), you wrote:

KT /CHECKaccount mask1[;account mask2[;account mask3[...]]]

RO Use for account the name you've given to the account in TB. (In the
RO tree panel next to the blue '@')



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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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KT Well,   I   tried   using   C:\Program   Files\The
KT Bat!\thebat.exe//CHECKEmailServer  where  EmailServer  is  the  name
   ^ You need a space before the slash and only one
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KT beside the Blue @ but it won't start to pick up the emails.

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retreiving an email address

2002-07-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Bat Folk.

  I've asked this question before but have not had a
  satisfactory answer. In fact, there may not be one but
  here goes:

  I'm composing a post to someone  I want to include
  someone else's email address in the post for their
  reference.

  The only process that I know of to make this happen is to
  open the AB [F8], search for the name, mark  copy the
  email address, close AB, paste email address into
  composition.

  This is quite a primitive process for such a sophisticated
  program as TB!. Anyone have a more sophisticated way to
  accomplish this task?

  Or am I looking @ an option request?

  TIA

-- 
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
TB! V1.61/W2K_SP2
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Re: retreiving an email address

2002-07-15 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Monday, July 15, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote...

   I'm composing a post to someone  I want to include
   someone else's email address in the post for their
   reference.

Maybe you can use a quick template to do it, I am not entirely sure
how, I've not really explored the full power, but it may be possible
to use a QT to search, and retrieve the values... I'll see if the more
experienced know if it's possible before I have a serious crack at it
myself.

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Re[2]: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Kevin Tea

Hello Marck,

Okay, I've not go it as C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.EXE /CHECKEmailServer

But it won't start to retrieve. Very odd!

Regards
Kevin
http://www.pdapro.co.uk



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MDP @15 July 2002, 14:30 +0100  Kevin Tea [KT] in
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KT Well,   I   tried   using   C:\Program   Files\The
KT Bat!\thebat.exe//CHECKEmailServer  where  EmailServer  is  the  name
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MDP  slash.
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Abuse Notice - Email sent to TBUDL ?

2002-07-15 Thread Greg Strong

Hello TBUDL,

I am receiving notices of abuse on email sent to the TBUDL.  As an
example I have included one of the notices in the forwarded message
below.

Any ideals what is causing this, and how to eliminate. TIA!

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Best regards,

Greg Strong 
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This is a forwarded message
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, July 15, 2002, 3:15:41 AM
Subject: BLACK-HAT: We do not accept mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [WORLDLESS.NET]

===8==Original message text===

O!Y

There might not be anything wrong with your mail...but...

Your relay [63.99.209.9] home.worldless.net is well known for relaying
of spam - your mail is blocked or simply deleted at server stage.
  
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 Failing Message ==
From:Greg Strong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Monday, July 15, 2002, 6:07:37 AM
Subject: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2
= Original message text ===
Hello Allie,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 9:49:54 PM, you wrote:

ACM Disabling ZA didn't help and it was this part that was most
ACM devastating in terms of the frustration.

ACM There's one good thing that came out of the experience. This was my
ACM sensitization to the fact that adverse software interactions are
ACM common and can be very difficult to pick up since we often blame the
ACM malfunctioning application as the direct cause of the problem. Though
ACM the application itself will usually be the cause of problems confined
ACM to use of the application itself, don't forget the lurking software
ACM interaction ESPECIALLY when others cannot reproduce the problem you're
ACM experiencing.

Key words to me appear to be frustration, sensitization, 
interaction. Been there  did that.

Little OT, but from experience you didn't mention one other important
factor/possibility that is of hardware being put in the mix. I had
situation between 2 versions of SW installed simultaneously. It was
suppose to be ok. The problem was intermittent. Did everything SW
company/support engineer told me. I was on CIS forum and somebody had
the sure solution. It didn't work.

It has clearly been documented by others that installation of both
versions of SW can work WITHOUT problems. I began to realize the
possibility of hardware being part of the mix of the problem. It is
the main reason I run dual boot system to separate the 2 versions of
SW to isolate and help solve problem. Never did find the problem, and
still occurs intermittently.

I did LEARN from the experience. I've took that experience
incorporated into use of other software and configuration to provide
what I believe to be best solution for running MY system  providing
backup.

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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Monday, July 15, 2002, Kevin Tea wrote...

 Hello Marck,

 Okay, I've not go it as C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.EXE /CHECKEmailServer

 But it won't start to retrieve. Very odd!

Does TB! load if it is not running?  Some programs have issues
launching long file paths, so you may have to revert to the old dos
style naming (ie progra~1 instead of program files), or encase it in
 .  You may also need a space after the word Check, and if the
account has a space, you may also need to encase that in  .

- --
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Abuse Notice - Email sent to TBUDL ?

2002-07-15 Thread Greg Strong

Hello TBUDL,

I am receiving notices of abuse on email sent to the TBUDL.  As an
example I have included one of the notices in the forwarded message
below.

Any ideals what is causing this, and how to eliminate. TIA!

-- 
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Sorry about the double post, but thought it appropriate to start new
thread since most use threading by reference. I have just recently
learned that references are captured in forwarded message, but didn't
check header info since this was a abuse notice.




This is a forwarded message
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, July 15, 2002, 3:15:41 AM
Subject: BLACK-HAT: We do not accept mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [WORLDLESS.NET]

===8==Original message text===

O!Y

There might not be anything wrong with your mail...but...

Your relay [63.99.209.9] home.worldless.net is well known for relaying
of spam - your mail is blocked or simply deleted at server stage.
  
More info: http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblockip=63.99.209.9



  
 Failing Message ==
From:Greg Strong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Monday, July 15, 2002, 6:07:37 AM
Subject: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2
= Original message text ===
Hello Allie,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 9:49:54 PM, you wrote:

ACM Disabling ZA didn't help and it was this part that was most
ACM devastating in terms of the frustration.

ACM There's one good thing that came out of the experience. This was my
ACM sensitization to the fact that adverse software interactions are
ACM common and can be very difficult to pick up since we often blame the
ACM malfunctioning application as the direct cause of the problem. Though
ACM the application itself will usually be the cause of problems confined
ACM to use of the application itself, don't forget the lurking software
ACM interaction ESPECIALLY when others cannot reproduce the problem you're
ACM experiencing.

Key words to me appear to be frustration, sensitization, 
interaction. Been there  did that.

Little OT, but from experience you didn't mention one other important
factor/possibility that is of hardware being put in the mix. I had
situation between 2 versions of SW installed simultaneously. It was
suppose to be ok. The problem was intermittent. Did everything SW
company/support engineer told me. I was on CIS forum and somebody had
the sure solution. It didn't work.

It has clearly been documented by others that installation of both
versions of SW can work WITHOUT problems. I began to realize the
possibility of hardware being part of the mix of the problem. It is
the main reason I run dual boot system to separate the 2 versions of
SW to isolate and help solve problem. Never did find the problem, and
still occurs intermittently.

I did LEARN from the experience. I've took that experience
incorporated into use of other software and configuration to provide
what I believe to be best solution for running MY system  providing
backup.

-- 
Best regards,

Greg Strong 
TB! v1.60q/Post5 on Windows 98  



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SSL and certificates

2002-07-15 Thread Rgis Lhoste

Hello !

I've a little question.

I want to get my e-mails via pop thought ssl/tsl.
I have imported certificate and had it to my trusted root CA folder in
the address book. The certificate is imported correctly.

Problem : I doesn't work !!!

The Bat say to me that the certificate is not valid and the emitter of
the certificate is unknown ...

Any idea ?

Thanks

Régis

  

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Re: retreiving an email address

2002-07-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Jonathan. Thanks for your reply.

At 10:13 AM on Monday, July 15, 2002 you [JA] wrote the
following about [retreiving an email address]:

   I'm composing a post to someone  I want to include
   someone else's email address in the post for their
   reference.

JA Maybe you can use a quick template to do it, I am not
JA entirely sure how, I've not really explored the full
JA power, but it may be possible to use a QT to search, and
JA retrieve the values...

  The only thing I've found that seemed relevant is using
  the ABnnnPPP macro to identify the email address but
  that's it. I'd sure welcome some new thoughts on this.

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OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Peter Kerekes

I know this is OT, so I will be brief.

Currently  I  am  using  eTrust  EZ antivirus program (formerly Inoculate
Personal  edition) from Computer Associates International or CAI. It is not
free, but reasonable priced. It is time for the yearly renewal. I wonder if
I should renew or choose something better? It doesn't have the plug-in to
BAT, although I am not sure what this would do other than I am getting now.
(I cannot open infected attachments).

Is  there  a  reliable  review  of the antivirus softwares somewhere, or is
there a more or less consensus of BAT users?

I  came  across,  but  did not use: AVP from Grisoft, Karpensky-s Lite (the
regular  is  rather  expensive),  NOD32  (mid-priced) and Norton/Mack. Used
F-prot in DOS times.

Thank  you  in  advance  and  sorry for the OT, but hopefully the moderator
won't mind since it is a general interest topics.
  
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Re[2]: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Kevin Tea

Hello Jonathan,

Yup, if The Bat! isn't loaded, Spamkiller will load it, but from there
it   will  not  dial  up  and  retrieve  mail.  I'll  try  your  other
suggestions.

Regards
Kevin
http://www.pdapro.co.uk



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JA On Monday, July 15, 2002, Kevin Tea wrote...

 Hello Marck,

 Okay, I've not go it as C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.EXE /CHECKEmailServer

 But it won't start to retrieve. Very odd!

JA Does TB! load if it is not running?  Some programs have issues
JA launching long file paths, so you may have to revert to the old dos
JA style naming (ie progra~1 instead of program files), or encase it in
JA  .  You may also need a space after the word Check, and if the
JA account has a space, you may also need to encase that in  .

JA - --
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JA ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Kevin,

@15 July 2002, 15:14 +0100  Kevin Tea [KT] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D
Pearlstone:

KT Okay, I've not go it as C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.EXE
KT /CHECKEmailServer

KT But it won't start to retrieve. Very odd!

Let's get more explicit still.

thebat /CHECKMarck

works perfectly, as should

thebat /CHECKMarck

You would need something like

thebat /CHECKKevin

Does that help?

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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Monday, July 15, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

 Let's get more explicit still.

 thebat /CHECKMarck

My bad... I thought it'd require a space after that... ignore that
advice then ;)

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Dave Conroy

Hi Peter,

Monday, July 15, 2002, 3:43:45 PM, you wrote:

PK Currently  I  am  using  eTrust  EZ antivirus program

Yes, I used the same until I read a review that gave it a poor rating.
Same review rated Norton top. Thought I don't always follow review
finding, I bought the Norton SystemWorks Pro package to trial it,
including Norton AV, and have been very happy with it. We now run it
on each machine on our network. I can't be bothered with all that TB!
plug in stuff, though others on the list seem to be keen.

A great source for Norton OEM stuff is eBay. Paid less than £15 for
each package of SystemWorks Pro. Definitely legal and registerable,
not copies. The auto update works very well. We run Win2000 BTW.

With best wishes,

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Re[2]: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Kevin Tea

Hello Marck,

I'll try and explain my system to make things clearer.

My  ISP  hosts  three domains for me and all go through a master email
portal called [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have called the master account on The Bat! EmailServer and all posts
go  to that and are then filtered into the three main domains and then
sub-filtered into sub-folders. All this works great.

SpamKiller recognises The Bat! as my default email client and provides
two  options.  One  is run email program and the second is run this
program and it is here that I am trying to put the command string.

The command string I have after all the help is:

C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe / CHECKEmailServer

If  The  Bat!  is not loaded then this will kick start it, but it will
not run a retrieve pass and an earlier attempt with CHECKEmailServer
also failed to run.

HTH

Regards
Kevin
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MDP Hi Kevin,

MDP @15 July 2002, 15:14 +0100  Kevin Tea [KT] in
MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D
MDP Pearlstone:

KT Okay, I've not go it as C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.EXE
KT /CHECKEmailServer

KT But it won't start to retrieve. Very odd!

MDP Let's get more explicit still.

MDP thebat /CHECKMarck

MDP works perfectly, as should

MDP thebat /CHECKMarck

MDP You would need something like

MDP thebat /CHECKKevin

MDP Does that help?

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Re: Abuse Notice - Email sent to TBUDL ?

2002-07-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Greg,

@15 July 2002, 09:15 -0500 (15:15 UK time)  Greg Strong [GS] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL:

GS I am receiving notices of abuse on email sent to the TBUDL.  As an
GS example I have included one of the notices in the forwarded message
GS below.

GS Any ideals what is causing this, and how to eliminate. TIA!

I am CC'ing the so called abuse authority who has written to you as
well as the list.

 This is a forwarded message
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Monday, July 15, 2002, 3:15:41 AM
 Subject: BLACK-HAT: We do not accept mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[WORLDLESS.NET]

1) That is a mis-association between your email address and the
   WORLDLESS.NET servers.

 ===8==Original message text===

 O!Y

 There might not be anything wrong with your mail...but...

 Your relay [63.99.209.9] home.worldless.net is well known for relaying
 of spam - your mail is blocked or simply deleted at server stage.

2) 63.99.209.9 may well be an open relay BUT!!!
3) 63.99.209.9 is NOT the IP of home.worldless.net

 More info: http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblockip=63.99.209.9

Gives legitimate reasons for 63.99.209.9 to be listed BUT (and this is
an important point)

4) home.worldless.net is NOT listed at SpamCop and, as I've already
   said 63.99.209.9 is NOT home.worldless.net. home.worldless.net is
   203.130.233.9 - not even close!

The only UCE here is that from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to Greg.

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Re: Abuse Notice - Email sent to TBUDL ?

2002-07-15 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 at 09:26 GMT -0500 (15/07/2002 21:26 where you think
I live) Greg Strong=[GS] wrote to TBUDL :

 I am receiving notices of abuse on email sent to the TBUDL.  As an
 example I have included one of the notices in the forwarded message
 below.


 There might not be anything wrong with your mail...but...

 Your relay [63.99.209.9] home.worldless.net
   ^^
   the  notification not correct, home.worldless.net have ip address
   203.130.233.9,  seems his script not working accurate :-(

 is  well  known  for relaying of spam - your mail is blocked or simply
 deleted at server stage.

This message mentioned that one of your relay host with ip [63.99.209.9]
known  as one source of spammers. All of your posting seems through this
host (check your header please).

You can check out the link below :

 More info: http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblockip=63.99.209.9

Please  do not use relay through this SMTP, or notify to your ISP to not
using this server as relay host.

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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Marcus Ohlström


On Monday, July 15, 2002, 17:16, Kevin Tea wrote:

 The command string I have after all the help is:

 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe / CHECKEmailServer
^ No space here

Remove the space I've pointed out and try again.

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Re: Abuse Notice - Email sent to TBUDL ?

2002-07-15 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Marck,

Monday, July 15, 2002, 10:18:38 AM, you wrote:

MDP I am CC'ing the so called abuse authority who has written to you as
MDP well as the list.

MDP The only UCE here is that from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to Greg.

Thanks! Sounds like me you doubt its authenticity. g

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Re: Abuse Notice - Email sent to TBUDL ?

2002-07-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Greg,

@15 July 2002, 11:11 -0500 (17:11 UK time)  Greg Strong [GS] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D
Pearlstone:

MDP I am CC'ing the so called abuse authority who has written to you as
MDP well as the list.

MDP The only UCE here is that from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to Greg.

GS Thanks! Sounds like me you doubt its authenticity. g

Not so much doubt its authenticity as doubt its original intent.
It is UCE as in Unsolicited (you didn't ask for it and it is not
connected to anything you have done) Commercial (it is from a
business) email (which it clearly is). ;-).

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Scheduling outgoing mail

2002-07-15 Thread Bob Lister

Something I have never needed to look into till now so I am not sure if
it can be done.  Is it possible to create a message which is left in the
Outbox and can be scheduled to go at a certain time automatically.  I
have looked around the help files but I suspect it can't be done.


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Re[2]: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Kevin Tea

Hello Marcus,

Nope, clearing the space didn't work either.

I  think what I'll have to do is to set The Bat's internal settings to
pick up on launch and then close it down after every session!!

Regards
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MO On Monday, July 15, 2002, 17:16, Kevin Tea wrote:

 The command string I have after all the help is:

 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe / CHECKEmailServer
MO ^ No space here

MO Remove the space I've pointed out and try again.



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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Monday, July 15, 2002, Kevin Tea wrote...

 Hello Marcus,

 Nope, clearing the space didn't work either.

 I  think what I'll have to do is to set The Bat's internal settings to
 pick up on launch and then close it down after every session!!

Just tested on mine.  I disabled auto-collect after 2 mins for the
account Certiflex Dimension, then in cmd (or command), I typed:

thebat.exe /checkCertiflex Dimension

And it collected the emails as it should have done.

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Re[2]: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Kevin Tea

Hello Jonathan,

Okay,  but  I  am  trying  to get the command line to run from a third
party software program and not within The Bat!

Maybe  that's  the problem, the command line won't work in third party
programs.

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 Hello Marcus,

 Nope, clearing the space didn't work either.

 I  think what I'll have to do is to set The Bat's internal settings to
 pick up on launch and then close it down after every session!!

JA Just tested on mine.  I disabled auto-collect after 2 mins for the
JA account Certiflex Dimension, then in cmd (or command), I typed:

JA thebat.exe /checkCertiflex Dimension

JA And it collected the emails as it should have done.

JA - --
JA Jonathan Angliss
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Re: Replace text macro

2002-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder

C After replying to a message, my template puts the original date in a header
C line (On day month year, so-and-so wrote:...)
Methinks you're having way too much fun with your email system...

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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Monday, July 15, 2002, Kevin Tea wrote...

 Hello Jonathan,

 Okay,  but  I  am  trying  to get the command line to run from a third
 party software program and not within The Bat!

I ran the command from a dos prompt... it really shouldn't matter, but
you may need to encase the whole statement in   as the third party
program may not like the spaces in the command line.

 Maybe  that's  the problem, the command line won't work in third party
 programs.

Have you tried just running the command like I did, just to see if it
is the third party that is having an issue, and not some obscure
bug/setting/feature?

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Re: Cannot restore in newly installed version

2002-07-15 Thread Mark Wieder

I believe the directory structure has changed since the 1.5x days.
It's been a while since I converted, so my memory is kind of hazy
about this, but on my system the default master directory is a
directory called MAIL inside the directory where the executable file
lives. Your account directories should be inside that directory. If
they're somewhere else, move them in there.

You can check and configure the mail folder directories by going to
Account | Properties | Files and directories | Home directory. You'll
need to do this for each account.

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Re: Cannot restore in newly installed version

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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HS I was able to move installations on DOS level; but in Windows? - I
HS don't know what to move. I do not want to mess up my new virginal
HS systems :-) - or is it enough to move the content of the
HS \mail\-folder?

If you have the mail folder in its default location, just copy the
entire installation directory and copy it to the desired location on
the new system.

You also need to export the registry key:

HKey_Current_User/Software/RIT  to file and then import the same file
to the registry of your new machine.

Now this is the important part so DO NOT start TB! unless you've
sorted this part out :

The registry key you imported will contain all the previous
installations settings i.e., window sizes and interface settings. More
importantly, the paths to the installation directory and the working
mail folders are within the registry key you exported itself.

If you've moved copied the original installation to the same
path/location as in the old location then you'll be fine. However, if
you've copied to a new location then you'll need to change this in the
registry settings which are easily readable and understandable. You
can do the changes by opening the exported key in an editor and making
the changes, or importing the key in the registry and then changing
the corresponding entries and their values. These are under

HKey_Current_User/Software/RIT/The Bat!

Just go through and check any path that you see there. If it's
different just change it to what it should be.

If the mail folder is not in the default location, you'll have to make
the necessary changes in

HKey_Current_User/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Users Depot

Only when you're finished do you start TB! on the new system. When
done, you can now upgrade to the later version. Watch out though since
there seems to be a problem with the original installation as
evidenced by the backup not restoring as it should. So backup! :-)

Good luck and don't hesitate to ask for clarifying information.

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Re: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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KT Okay, but I am trying to get the command line to run from a third
KT party software program and not within The Bat!

KT Maybe that's the problem, the command line won't work in third
KT party programs.

Have you tried to get the command to run from a DOS window or the
desktop taskbar's Start/Run dialog?

If yes, then it should work with SpamKiller as it did for me during
the time I used SpamKiller.

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Re: Abuse Notice - Email sent to TBUDL ?

2002-07-15 Thread Thomas F

Hello Marck,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:22:17 +0100 GMT (15/07/02, 23:22 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP The only UCE here is that from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to Greg.

GS Thanks! Sounds like me you doubt its authenticity. g

MDP Not so much doubt its authenticity as doubt its original intent.

Or doubt the sysad's/postmaster's qualification for his job? I think
we've seen another one of those recently. There are still many open
sysad positions in the classifieds - expect more untrained people to
administer systems in the near future. The internet seems to grow
faster than people can be trained.

Sarcasm
Result: Someone (maybe that software house in Seattle) will come up
with a program that will replace sysad's. It will be a one-fits-all
(i.e. this-fits-nobody). Or some intelligent lifeform -
electron-based, not carbon-based; i.e. artificial intelligence - will
suddenly come into existence and become sysad and do it for us humble
humans. Or the internet will become utter chaos...
/Sarcasm

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Re: Scheduling outgoing mail

2002-07-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Bob.

At 12:34 PM on Monday, July 15, 2002 you [BL] wrote the
following about [Scheduling outgoing mail]:

BL Is it possible to create a message which is left in the
BL Outbox and can be scheduled to go at a certain time
BL automatically. I have looked around the help files but I
BL suspect it can't be done.

  I suspect it can be done by using command line parameters.
  See MID [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: retreiving an email address

2002-07-15 Thread Thomas F

Hello Jan,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:59:37 -0400 GMT (15/07/02, 20:59 +0700 GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR   The only process that I know of to make this happen is to
JR   open the AB [F8], search for the name, mark  copy the
JR   email address, close AB, paste email address into
JR   composition.

JR   This is quite a primitive process for such a sophisticated
JR   program as TB!. Anyone have a more sophisticated way to
JR   accomplish this task?

When you click on a recipient line (for example CC) in the editor,
there is a very small addressbook icon at the right-most end. click on
this. Choose a contact from your addressbook and add it by clicking on
the right-arrow.

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Re: Cannot restore in newly installed version

2002-07-15 Thread Thomas F

Hello Hanspeter,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:14:16 +0200 GMT (15/07/02, 15:14 +0700 GMT),
Hanspeter Schaffner wrote:

HS BTW: can somebody tell me what happened to the German beginner list?

It is up and running. There are currently 523 members, but I see that
you are not subscribed.

Click here: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Scheduling outgoing mail

2002-07-15 Thread Thomas F

Hello Bob,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:34:40 +0100 GMT (15/07/02, 23:34 +0700 GMT),
Bob Lister wrote:

BL Something I have never needed to look into till now so I am not sure if
BL it can be done.  Is it possible to create a message which is left in the
BL Outbox and can be scheduled to go at a certain time automatically.

No, it is not possible. But it's in the wishlist. ;-)

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Re: retreiving an email address

2002-07-15 Thread Adam Rykala

Date: 15 July 2002, Time: 19:37 
 
Hi Thomas, On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, at 01:28:31 [GMT +0700] (19:28 where I live) you wrote:

TF Hello Jan,

TF On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:59:37 -0400 GMT (15/07/02, 20:59 +0700 GMT),
TF Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR   The only process that I know of to make this happen is to
JR   open the AB [F8], search for the name, mark  copy the
JR   email address, close AB, paste email address into
JR   composition.

JR   This is quite a primitive process for such a sophisticated
JR   program as TB!. Anyone have a more sophisticated way to
JR   accomplish this task?

TF When you click on a recipient line (for example CC) in the editor,
TF there is a very small addressbook icon at the right-most end. click on
TF this. Choose a contact from your addressbook and add it by clicking on
TF the right-arrow.


I think Jan means in the body of an email, rather then in the headers

It's something I miss to - like when passing emails on

A




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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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DC Yes, I used the same until I read a review that gave it a poor
DC rating. Same review rated Norton top. Thought I don't always
DC follow review finding, I bought the Norton SystemWorks Pro package
DC to trial it, including Norton AV, and have been very happy with
DC it. We now run it on each machine on our network. I can't be
DC bothered with all that TB! plug in stuff, though others on the
DC list seem to be keen.

The TB! plugin is a little module that is quite harmless. Not really
stuff. ;) However, Norton System Works Pro is a LOT of stuff and I
wish you the best of luck. In the event of problems don't hesitate to
make it the number two cause and check there for adverse interactions.

Peter,

I used PC-Cillin without problems for a couple years but I jumped ship
when they decided to add a firewall to their anti-virus package. It
was bad enough with the web-filter module but they seem to be
following the route of bloat.

I've settled on NOD32 which is the best that I've used so far. Small
footprint, very focused and configurable in feature base and the
scanner is extremely fast and most of all very good at picking up
viruses.

I tried Panda but it didn't last long on my system. It was very
resource hungry and lacks configuration options.

I've used Dr.Web which is very good but the system monitor caused
instability on my Win2k system, so I stopped using Dr. Web since I
wanted a working system monitor. I do otherwise miss it though.

I haven't used AVG or Kapersky anti-virus.


Norton products have been bad to me and I've helped many out of
problems with them. I'm NOT saying that they cause everyone problems,
but you'll not get any positive comments about them from me.

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Re: retreiving an email address

2002-07-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Thomas. Thanks for your reply.

At 2:28 PM on Monday, July 15, 2002 you [TF] wrote the
following about [retrieving an email address]:

JR The only process that I know of to make this happen is
JR to open the AB [F8], search for the name, mark  copy
JR the email address, close AB, paste email address into
JR composition.

TF When you click on a recipient line (for example CC) in
TF the editor, there is a very small addressbook icon at
TF the right-most end. click on this. Choose a contact from
TF your addressbook and add it by clicking on the
TF right-arrow.

  Ah, yes, this does get me the email address but I think I
  wasn't clear.

  The situation I used was as follows:

,- [Jan]
|  I'm composing a post to someone  I want to include
|  someone else's email address in the post for their
|  reference
'-

  So for example, I am writing this post to you  I want to
  include the TBOT email address right here - ___.

  Following your steps, one cannot CTRL-CCTRL-P from
  that dialogue so how do I insert the email address where I
  want it? I guess I could insert it on the cc or bcc line
  then cut  paste from there but that's the same thing to
  me more or less.

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Re: Scheduling outgoing mail

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
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BL Something I have never needed to look into till now so I am not
BL sure if it can be done. Is it possible to create a message which
BL is left in the Outbox and can be scheduled to go at a certain time
BL automatically. I have looked around the help files but I suspect
BL it can't be done.

No. TB! doesn't have a mail sending scheduler. However, you could use
the systems scheduler to invoke the send command for a particular
account. However, note that the send command will send all non-draft
mail sitting in the outbox of the target account.

If it's a matter of placing messages in the outbox to be sent later,
unattended, then the SEND command will do it.

You can open a text editor and put in it the command:


C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /SENDaccount name here

end


You can now create a system scheduler entry to run the file at a
specific time. Your mail will be sent at the time you specify.

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Re: Scheduling outgoing mail

2002-07-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Thomas.

At 2:34 PM on Monday, July 15, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Scheduling outgoing mail]:

TF No, it is not possible. But it's in the wishlist. 

  Not to be argumentative, but wouldn't it be possible if,
  for example, Bob wrote his msg, put it in the outbox, shut
  down TB! @ the end of the day  scheduled a bat file @ a
  pre-determined time to open TB!  make use of the /SEND or
  /SENDALL command line parameter?

  Now that may not be what Bob was looking for but would you
  say this is possible?

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Re: retreiving an email address

2002-07-15 Thread Thomas F

Hello Jan,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:47:27 -0400 GMT (16/07/02, 01:47 +0700 GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR   Ah, yes, this does get me the email address but I think I
JR   wasn't clear.

You were. I didn't read clearly. 8~/

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Re: Scheduling outgoing mail

2002-07-15 Thread Jonathan Angliss

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On Monday, July 15, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote...

   Not to be argumentative, but wouldn't it be possible if,
   for example, Bob wrote his msg, put it in the outbox, shut
   down TB! @ the end of the day  scheduled a bat file @ a
   pre-determined time to open TB!  make use of the /SEND or
   /SENDALL command line parameter?

You wouldn't even need to close TB! for those switches to work.  You
could set it in the system task scheduler, just as Allie suggested.

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Re: retreiving an email address

2002-07-15 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi Thomas.

At 2:57 PM on Monday, July 15, 2002 you wrote the following
about [retreiving an email address]:

JR I think I wasn't clear.

TF You were. I didn't read clearly. 8~/

  No problem; I appreciated your effort anyway.

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Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Adam

When you read messages, do you reach the scroll bar and find the
screen all of a sudden slides to the left? It seems to do it very
often. And have to keep my fingers near Home key.  Even as I'm aware
of how it happens, I can't seem to stop it happening though.
Is there any fix?

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Re: Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Blarp

Hi Adam,

A When you read messages, do you reach the scroll bar and find the
A screen all of a sudden slides to the left? It seems to do it very
A often. And have to keep my fingers near Home key.  Even as I'm aware
A of how it happens, I can't seem to stop it happening though.

Ditto here. I wish it didn't have a horizontal scroll bar at all. Same
for the folder view.

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Re: Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Thomas F

Hello Adam,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:41:47 -0230 GMT (16/07/02, 03:11 +0700 GMT),
Adam wrote:

A When you read messages, do you reach the scroll bar and find the
A screen all of a sudden slides to the left?

Yes. but only if I actually use that horizontal scroll bar.

A It seems to do it very often.

That depends on the amount of beer. :-)

A And have to keep my fingers near Home key. Even as I'm aware of how
A it happens, I can't seem to stop it happening though. Is there any
A fix?

It's a feature, I guess. I don't kow, but nobody defines it as a bug.
It happens to me very seldomly, so I don't really worry.

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Dave,

@15 July 2002, 16:00 +0100  Dave Conroy [DC] in
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PK Currently  I  am  using  eTrust  EZ antivirus program

DC ... including Norton AV, and have been very happy with it. We now
DC run it on each machine on our network.

I can't stand idle and see someone promote Norton AV products when I
have been so badly bitten by them. As a developer of software, to have
all of my users flood my Inbox with complaints because a shoddy NAV
database update wrongly identified my uninstall.exe as infected.
Then, without a by-your-leave or any option, it incinerated the
offending program on every machine. Not that I want any customers
uninstalling my software g, but that's hardly what I would call a
professional approach. This in a Friday evening, release update,
switch phones off, go home for weekend style! It wasn't until the
following Monday that they even began to correct their database, the
corrective update for which came out on the Wednesday.

The manufacturers of the affected Installer released a patch for the
uninstaller on the Sunday, but the damage to reputations, systems and
installations had already been done.

To be good, an AV utility has to be trustworthy. That stunt and the
subsequent cover-up and disowning of any kind of responsibility from
Norton leads me to give their offering a thundering thumbs down in
that department whenever it is mentioned in my field of vision.

I use AVG from Grisoft myself and have always been very satisfied with
it.

DC I can't be bothered with all that TB! plug in stuff, though others
DC on the list seem to be keen.

That's because it's worth the bother. It's actually no bother at all
and keeps things much safer. When attachments are kept in message
bodies and not in a separate folder, the plug-in quarantines the
infecting message without it ever being realised on the recipient's
system. It never becomes executable. I like that!

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Re: Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@15 July 2002, 17:41 -0230 (21:11 UK time)  Adam [A] in
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A screen all of a sudden slides to the left? It seems to do it very
A often. And have to keep my fingers near Home key. Even as I'm aware
A of how it happens, I can't seem to stop it happening though. Is
A there any fix?

I have my columns in my folder view set up to fit without a horizontal
scrollbar. I also have the Options | Preferences | Message list set
up not to adjust the subject column for threaded view. So it never
happens to me.

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Re[2]: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Joseph N.

   On Monday, July 15, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in
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MDP When attachments are kept in message bodies and not in a separate
MDP folder, the plug-in quarantines the infecting message without it
MDP ever being realised on the recipient's system. It never becomes
MDP executable.

Marck,

I've been using the NOD plug-in. I like it fairly well, but I can't
really recommend it to anyone whom I'd characterize as a 'normal'
user, because it has some extremely annoying characteristics, such as
flickering and diverting the focus every time it scans a file. In any
event, although I use it, I'm not sure the quarantining is really all
that different from not quarantining. The file is still on your
system, regardless of whether there is a separate Windows directory
for it. Are you of the opinion that, with a high quality AV program in
effect and real-time scanning enabled, an infected file in a TB!
quarantine folder *cannot* be executed while the same file in the
outbox--having been identified by the AV program but without the
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Re: Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Adam

Hello Marck,

Monday, July 15, 2002, 6:11:04 PM, you wrote:

A screen all of a sudden slides to the left? It seems to do it very
A often. And have to keep my fingers near Home key. Even as I'm aware
A of how it happens, I can't seem to stop it happening though. Is
A there any fix?

MDP I have my columns in my folder view set up to fit without a horizontal
MDP scrollbar.

There is never a horizontal scrollbar. You must be referring to a
different view.

Say take a folder, launch a message, click View/Message List to turn
that off.  (Or I do commonly.)  And there is only a vertical scrollbar
at far right. Hold down the mouse button and move your pointer towards
it.  It always slides the screen for me.  Not for you?

Conceivably this wouldn't happen if I didn't want it to. But
frequently it does happen. I figure TB is not super clear on where
that scrollbar is.

MDP  I also have the Options | Preferences | Message list set
MDP up not to adjust the subject column for threaded view. So it never
MDP happens to me.

Automatically adjust first column width... Now, hmm, what does that
do?  I click on Help, but it says The topic does not exist.

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Re: Undocumented Features

2002-07-15 Thread Adam

Hello Januk,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 6:14:55 AM, you wrote:

JA If you don't like that, you can play with the Menu Navigator (next to
JA the minimize button by default).  That can help you locate many
JA features as well.

Note that Tack's version of TB does not have Menu Navigator, FYI.

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Quarantine folder: location

2002-07-15 Thread Joseph N.

When enabling a BAV, wouldn't it make sense to have just one
quarantine folder, i.e., a common folder?

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Dave Conroy

Hi Marck,

Monday, July 15, 2002, 9:36:29 PM, you wrote:

DC ... including Norton AV, and have been very happy with it. We now
DC run it on each machine on our network.

MDP I can't stand idle and see someone promote Norton AV products
MDP when I have been so badly bitten by them.

I gave my opinion based on experience. Until Norton lets me down then
I'll continue using it. Other people can make their own minds up based
on the various contributions made.

MDP I use AVG from Grisoft myself and have always been very satisfied
MDP with it.

Well I have used that too ... though not with as plug in. I found it
slowed down my system unacceptably and caused irregular freezes. It
may never happen to you, but every system is different. I wanted to
use it, I like it, but it didn't work for me. I found something that
does work. End of story. BTW, despite keeping AVG up to date, it did
let a virus through, can't remember which, but it caused me a lot of
trouble. I finally sorted it out via the Command AV online service of
all places.
 
With best wishes,

Dave 


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Re: Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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A Say take a folder, launch a message, click View/Message List to
A turn that off. (Or I do commonly.) And there is only a vertical
A scrollbar at far right. Hold down the mouse button and move your
A pointer towards it.

I see what you mean, but:

a) this only happens with the fixed width viewer. Using the rich text
viewer will eliminate the problem.

2) why do you wish to do that while reading mail?

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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JN In any event, although I use it, I'm not sure the quarantining is
JN really all that different from not quarantining.

There's a qualitative difference in that you will know that you've
received an infected message right away and you'll know which one it
is and finally, you'll easily find it. The NOD32 POP3 scanner just
gives a POPup announcing that it let through an infected message with
the from address and subject. You'll now have to find the message
which could potentially be a tad tedious if it came with a lot of
other messages.

JN The file is still on your system, regardless of whether there is a
JN separate Windows directory for it.

Yes, but you can't execute the attachments, even if you tried, while
the message is within the quarantine folder. You have to deliberately
copy the files to another area on your system and then execute it.

JN Are you of the opinion that, with a high quality AV program in
JN effect and real-time scanning enabled, an infected file in a TB!
JN quarantine folder *cannot* be executed while the same file in the
JN outbox--having been identified by the AV program but without the
JN plug-in--*can* be executed?

Not at all. You're equally as safe. It's just a matter of preference
and how you wish for infected messages to be indicated to you. I
personally like the quarantining approach.

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Re: Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Thomas F

Hello Allie,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:41:45 -0500 GMT (16/07/02, 04:41 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM I see what you mean, but:

ACM a) this only happens with the fixed width viewer. Using the rich text
ACM viewer will eliminate the problem.

I like fixed-width fonts.

ACM 2) why do you wish to do that while reading mail?

To prove a point? - Well. There is a problem, why not mention it. ;-)

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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MDP I can't stand idle and see someone promote Norton AV products
MDP when I have been so badly bitten by them.

DC I gave my opinion based on experience. Until Norton lets me down
DC then I'll continue using it.

I guess you've already made your investment so you have to press on.
:-/ Good luck.

However, one of the important aspects of software is support and how
it's dealt with by the developers/producers. Marck's story is pretty
damning and it's one of those stories where I'd think that one would
wish not to wait to get bitten. It's not like Windows where
compatibility and other issues bind you to using it despite problems
with MS policy etc. This is anti-virus software of which there are so
many choices.

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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JN Are you of the opinion that, with a high quality AV program in
JN effect and real-time scanning enabled, an infected file in a TB!
JN quarantine folder *cannot* be executed while the same file in the
JN outbox--having been identified by the AV program but without the
JN plug-in--*can* be executed?

ACM Not at all. You're equally as safe. It's just a matter of
ACM preference and how you wish for infected messages to be indicated
ACM to you. I personally like the quarantining approach.

There's also the whole business of efficiency.

The main sources of infected files for me is through e-mail (received
many here) with a distant following through downloads (not yet
received an infected file here) and through files on floppies handed
to me (again never received infected file here).

Instead of running the real-time scanner, I use the plugin for mail
and the hook to check downloads with an antivirus that my download
manager provides.

With this arrangement, the checking only occurs when needed. This is
more efficient than having a real-time scanner checking files on the
system all the time.

I used to be a real-time scanner advocate but I've since changed my
opinion. ;)

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Re: Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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ACM a) this only happens with the fixed width viewer. Using the rich
ACM text viewer will eliminate the problem.

TF I like fixed-width fonts.

You can use fixed width fonts with the rich text viewer.

ACM 2) why do you wish to do that while reading mail?

TF To prove a point? - Well. There is a problem, why not mention it. ;-)

LOL!

I guess you must realize the priority such a problem would receive in
the fix list. ;)

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Re: Quarantine folder: location

2002-07-15 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Joseph,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:23:14 -0500GMT (15-7-02, 23:23 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

JN When enabling a BAV, wouldn't it make sense to have just one
JN quarantine folder, i.e., a common folder?

Not to me. I haven't got any common folder, so I wouldn't like AVG
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Re[2]: Command String query

2002-07-15 Thread Paul Duthie

Hello all,

Or enclose the string in quotation marks

ie :

C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /CHECKEmailServer

Tuesday, July 16, 2002, 8:17:26 AM, you wrote:

RO Hallo Kevin,

RO On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:14:58 +0100GMT (15-7-02, 10:14 +0200GMT, where
RO I live), you wrote:

KT C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe/CHECKEmailServer ?
KT Or is there more  and stuff to insert?

RO I'm not sure about \program files\the bat!\ as dos'll do difficult
RO about spaces in a path. When I use the commandline options in a
RO batch-file I'm always using short names (complying to the 8.3
RO convention).
RO Besides you should forget about '' and ''.
RO So I'd make it:

RO c:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe /checkemailserver

RO Good hunting.



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Re[2]: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Rick Reumann



On Monday, July 15, 2002, 6:02:57 PM, Allie wrote:

ACM Instead of running the real-time scanner, I use the plugin for mail
ACM and the hook to check downloads with an antivirus that my download
ACM manager provides.

Allie, what kind of hook or download manager do you have for this?
This is what I would like. AVG is covering my Bat e-mail just perfect
but I do download a lot of stuff and would like it to be checked for
viruses after (or right before?) I download it. Is there something
hopefully that will work right with the AVG software I already have?
Thanks for any more info.


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Re[2]: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Joseph N.

   On Monday, July 15, 2002, Allie C Martin wrote in
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 Instead of running the real-time scanner, I use the plugin for mail
 and the hook to check downloads with an antivirus that my download
 manager provides.

Allie,

H.   Although I could do the same, and trust my firewall to
keep out nasty attackers, it seems a big risk.  Do you feel you're
conserving enough resources and reclaiming enough speed to justify it?

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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RR Allie, what kind of hook or download manager do you have for this?
RR This is what I would like. AVG is covering my Bat e-mail just
RR perfect but I do download a lot of stuff and would like it to be
RR checked for viruses after (or right before?) I download it. Is
RR there something hopefully that will work right with the AVG
RR software I already have? Thanks for any more info.

Currently I use Download Accelerator Plus. It provides the hook. I
also know that Getright provides an antivirus check hook. I can use
NOD32 with it so I'd assume that you can use AVG with them as well.

http://www.speedbit.com/ for DAP

http://www.getrigh.com   for Getright

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Re: Sliding screen

2002-07-15 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Monday, July 15, 2002, 4:55:17 PM, Thomas F wrote:

ACM a) this only happens with the fixed width viewer. Using the rich
ACM text viewer will eliminate the problem.

 I like fixed-width fonts.

can't you use a fixed-width font with the rtv?

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Apply filter now?

2002-07-15 Thread Blarp

Is there a function in TB similar to Outlook Express' Apply message rule
now that can run a specific rule (filter) against a selected
folder or all folders manually? The refilter action is not what I
want since it runs all manual filters too which, as I have them set up,
can be very destructive. Also, the assign to hot key only takes the
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Globally changing reading confirmation

2002-07-15 Thread Gary Lucas

Hi,   Monday, July 15, 2002 18:51


Somehow I have managed to get the reading confirmation toggled ON in every
one of my folder.  Even though I never set it in any folder I can't
seem to figure out how to turn it off globally.  There must be a way to
turn it off and keep it off.

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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JN H. Although I could do the same, and trust my firewall to
JN keep out nasty attackers, it seems a big risk.

But why?

If you can automatically check what comes in through the various
routes viruses get in, why should you be worried?

The other way is to just scan almost everything that's opened on the
system.

JN Do you feel you're conserving enough resources and reclaiming
JN enough speed to justify it?

With NOD32 it really seems to be a small amount but it's not only
speed and resources that are at issue here. I also get to take one
process out of the equation. The less things you have running, the
less likely you'll have an adverse interaction between software.

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Backup error

2002-07-15 Thread Adam

I did a Backup, and it resulted in:
Thread error: the parameter is incorrect (87)

Can you make any sense of it?

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Re: Apply filter now?

2002-07-15 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Blarp,
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:37:43 -0700, you wrote:

 Is there a function in TB similar to Outlook Express' Apply message rule
 now that can run a specific rule (filter) against a selected
 folder or all folders manually? The refilter action is not what I
 want since it runs all manual filters too which, as I have them set up,
 can be very destructive. Also, the assign to hot key only takes the
 action of the rule and not the filtering.

Can you not turn off the option to run the manual filters?  I thought there was
a series of tick boxes, and the very bottom one was include manual filters or
something like that.

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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@15 July 2002, 15:55 -0500 (21:55 UK time)  Joseph N. [JN] in
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JN I've been using the NOD plug-in. ... flickering and diverting the
JN focus every time it scans a file.

Not so good. I don't get that with AVG for sure.

JN Are you of the opinion that, with a high quality AV program in
JN effect and real-time scanning enabled, an infected file in a TB!
JN quarantine folder *cannot* be executed while the same file in the
JN outbox--having been identified by the AV program but without the
JN plug-in--*can* be executed?

Yes. As I see it there is a clear difference. A virus in an executable
parsed by an external AV is already both loaded into and visible from
the OS. Raw MIME data in a message base folder is neither. The
difference is clear.

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Re: Apply filter now?

2002-07-15 Thread Blarp

Hi Jonathan,

JA Can you not turn off the option to run the manual filters?  I thought there was
JA a series of tick boxes, and the very bottom one was include manual filters or
JA something like that.

Sort of. It still doesn't address the problem of taking one specific
rule and being able to apply it and only it as needed to a folder or a
whole selection of folders.

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Re: Backup error

2002-07-15 Thread ETM

I think I had the error one time.  I back-up mail about once a
week.  I just performed another backup and that worked.  Try
again unless someone gives you a better answer.

Elaine

Hello Adam

On Monday, July 15, 2002, you wrote

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Editor praise

2002-07-15 Thread Peter Fjelsten

TheBat-users,

 OK, when I first started out with the TheBat (hmm, stammering?) editor
 I thought it was awful. Now I love it and would like it to be available
 as the external editor for my news reader (XNews).

 One thing is bugging me, though. If I move the cursor to the right via
 the right arrow, it does not word wrap at the end of the line (i.e.
 moves to the next line).

 This makes no sense as the user specifically sets a word wrap at
 character XX. I agree that quoted/pasted material should be left as is
 but in this one instance, I'd really like that the cursor wraps.

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HELP! configurastion error!!!

2002-07-15 Thread Paul Cartwright

Hello TBUDL,

  arg. well it happened. TBSOD, my computer crashed today, weird
error about new hardware ( that I didn't install), got a BSOD error at
bootup even when doing SAFE mode, it was complaining about a
SCSIPORT.sys driver, when i DONT HAVE SCSI INSTALLED!!!
anyway, I had backups of TB and I tried to do a restore and I got a
neat error:
Access violation at address 00402AF2 in module thebat.exe. Read of
address 0025FB7F.

my main restore worked, so I have my addressbook and folders, but my
later updated backup, with 2 new accounts, gave me this error. It
must also have my updated templates, because they are gone also!

the mail folders are there for all the accounts, so I ASSUME it won't
be too hard to restore those accounts?? what did I do wrong and how do
I fix it?

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AVG TB

2002-07-15 Thread Paul Cartwright

Hello TBUDL,

  oh yeah, this is good... I reinstalled TB, but it wouldn't start up.
I had not reinstalled AVG yet, and TB complained when it tried to load
the anti-virus modules... When I tried to install AVG it wanted the
SERIAL number, which was in my TB AVG folder... So i had to
UNinstall TB, do a vanilla install of TB, open that AVG folder, save
that email to TXT file, reinstall AVG, then do the TB restore AGAIN...
I HATE NTFS partitions, you can't boot to DOS and fix them!!!

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Assign template precedence

2002-07-15 Thread Peter Fjelsten

TheBat-users,

 I belong to a mailing list. The mailing list is in my mailing list
 address book group, which has a reply template. All mail is filtered
 into a specific folder.

 Now a person who is in another address book group posts to the list. If
 I reply to this mail (the original sender is in the To-field and the
 mailing list address is in the CC-field), the reply is formatted with
 the personal template and not the list template.

 How can I avoid this? Folder templates is one idea, QTs is another.
 Others?

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Re: Editor praise

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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Peter Fjelsten [PF] wrote:

PF OK, when I first started out with the TheBat (hmm, stammering?)
PF editor I thought it was awful. Now I love it and would like it to
PF be available as the external editor for my news reader (XNews).

With 'AIMKeys' or a similar Macro building tool that can invoke a
hotkey (unfortunately PowerPro will not execute hotkeys while running
a macro) you could possibly do this. I was doing it when I used to
read newsgroups. I created an AIMKeys macro that would cut and paste
the contents of the reply message editor of Agent, into a TB! new
message window. This first macro would be invoked with a single
hotkey.

I'd edit the message and then copy and paste the contents back into
the Agent editor window. The macro would close the TB! editor window
as well and then send then post the message, all in one rapid sequence
after hitting the macros hot-key. Agent's keyboard shortcuts allowed
me to do this. I don't know about X-News. I had it working
beautifully.

If you post a lot in newsgroups and really wish for the consistency of
the same editors, then investing in AIMKeys may be worth your while.
You could then use AIMKeys to automate other stuff for you and remap
some of the keystrokes in TB! to make it behave more like X-News and
the reverse.

See http://www.aimsoft.com/aimkeys/

PF One thing is bugging me, though. If I move the cursor to the right
PF via the right arrow, it does not word wrap at the end of the
PF line (i.e. moves to the next line).

That's courtesy of the free caret interface. You can move the cursor
to any point in the editor and start typing. The wrapping will occur
only while typing characters.

PF This makes no sense as the user specifically sets a word wrap at
PF character XX. I agree that quoted/pasted material should be left
PF as is but in this one instance, I'd really like that the cursor
PF wraps.

What if you wish to insert text beyond your wrap limit?

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Re: Editor praise

2002-07-15 Thread Peter Fjelsten

Allie,

On 16-07-2002 04:19, you [A] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A I created an AIMKeys macro that would cut and paste the contents of
A the reply message editor of Agent, into a TB! new message window.
A This first macro would be invoked with a single hotkey.

How did you call TheBat Editor editor window? Just by making a macro for
create new message? What if TheBat is closed?

Too bad you cannot use PowerPro. I probably do not want more of these
types of sw on my machine (it'll get too complex).

A You could then use AIMKeys to automate other stuff for you and remap
A some of the keystrokes in TB! to make it behave more like X-News and
A the reverse.

I use PowerPro for this.

A See http://www.aimsoft.com/aimkeys/

I will look into it, thanks.

PF This makes no sense as the user specifically sets a word wrap at
PF character XX. I agree that quoted/pasted material should be left as
PF is but in this one instance, I'd really like that the cursor
PF wraps.

A What if you wish to insert text beyond your wrap limit?

My point is that since you have set a wrap column, you _don't_ want
this. This is my perspective anyway. If I get long lines they need to be
wrapped anyway. I'd like to be able to set a force wrapper for the
whole editor window (keystroke?).

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Re[2]: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Joseph N.

   On Monday, July 15, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote in
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MDP A virus in an executable parsed by an external AV is already both
MDP loaded into and visible from the OS. Raw MIME data in a message
MDP base folder is neither.

Marck,

Yes, that's true. But if the attachment remains in the message body
under both conditions, then the difference you described does not
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Re[3]: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread N. Sean Timm

Monday, July 15, 2002, 4:24:24 PM, Rick wrote:



RR On Monday, July 15, 2002, 6:02:57 PM, Allie wrote:

ACM Instead of running the real-time scanner, I use the plugin for mail
ACM and the hook to check downloads with an antivirus that my download
ACM manager provides.

RR Allie, what kind of hook or download manager do you have for this?
RR This is what I would like. AVG is covering my Bat e-mail just perfect
RR but I do download a lot of stuff and would like it to be checked for
RR viruses after (or right before?) I download it. Is there something
RR hopefully that will work right with the AVG software I already have?
RR Thanks for any more info.

I'm using MailTraq4Free (though I'll probably buy a basic license
shortly).  http://www.mailtraq.com

I can't remember who recommended this software for the news-to-email
gateway, but my life has been heaven ever since.  :)  Now, I've got
MailTraq pulling *all* of my email and newsgroups into itself, and
MailTraq has a plugin for AVG, so both my email and newsgroup messages
get checked for viruses.

Also, since MailTraq has a pluggable architecture, I'm currently on
the hunt for something I can tie into for spam killing...I'm
considering working on porting SpamAssassin and hooking it in as a
plugin to MailTraq.  I contacted DeerSoft (who makes a version of
SpamAssassin for Windows), but they weren't interested in doing this
at this time, so I'm seriously considering taking it up myself (I'll
have to brush up on my Perl, though).  :)

Needless to say, I *highly* recommend this combination for your
email/news/antivirus needs.

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Re: Editor praise

2002-07-15 Thread Peter Fjelsten

Allie,

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, at 22:16 [GMT -0500] (05:16 16. juli 2002 where I
live - yes I'm up late finishing my master thesis), you [A] wrote:
A By using the hotkey assigned to invoke it. I'm referring to the
A hotkeys assigned via the hotkeys configuration panel in TB!.

Arh.

PF Too bad you cannot use PowerPro.

A Unfortunately PowerPro will not run hot keys in its macros. :(

But I am sure that it will run menu items (i.e. ALT A {arrow down}
Enter) when in keyboard macro mode. I do this.

PF I probably do not want more of these types of sw on my machine
PF (it'll get too complex).

(snip)

A I just avoided clashing with the same macro
A hotkeys or remapping the same key sequences to different hotkeys. g

This is my fear! :)

A It's funny that you wish to move the cursor with the right arrow until
A it goes to a new line. I just hit the enter key to do that or arrow
A down and hit the home key or left arrow to where I want. One of the
A two methods usually works. :/ I guess we all work differently.

Yeah. I will probably get the hang of it but I have used Eudora for many
years and some habits don't die easily! :) Before TB I never used HOME
or END. I probably just need to get the hang of these keys.


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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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JN Yes, that's true. But if the attachment remains in the message body
JN under both conditions, then the difference you described does not
JN exist, right?

Yes. If you export the message to text, this shouldn't trigger the
anti-virus scanner. I just confirmed this by exporting an infected
message to file. I even opened the message in a text viewer with no
problems. I tried saving the attachment to file and of course, could
not since the real-time scanner stopped me.

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Re[2]: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Rick Reumann

On Monday, July 15, 2002, 6:31:05 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:


ACM Currently I use Download Accelerator Plus. It provides the hook. I
ACM also know that Getright provides an antivirus check hook.

 Does this also really accelerate download times using a cable
 modem? I'm totally happy with my download times, I just want
 something that will allow me to use AVG to scan for viruses. I
 guess I can just download them to a folder and run AVG on the
 folder before I try an install. Does the free version of DAP work
 with virus scanning? Can't really tell from their site.

 thanks
 
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Re: OT: Antivirus software review

2002-07-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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RR Does this also really accelerate download times using a cable
RR modem?

Potentially yes, since it works off the principle that downloading the
same file using multiple concurrent connections to the server is
faster than with a single connection. It does seem to go faster,
though I haven't done an objective comparison.

RR I'm totally happy with my download times, I just want something
RR that will allow me to use AVG to scan for viruses. I guess I can
RR just download them to a folder and run AVG on the folder before I
RR try an install. Does the free version of DAP work with virus
RR scanning? Can't really tell from their site.

Yes, I think so, but it's adware when unregistered. :/

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