The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
I've been looking at the 'can only connect once to POP3' problem with three email clients (Outlook Express, The Bat! and AK-Mail www.akmail.com), three POP3 servers (pop3.lineone.net, ice.cream.org and mail.btinternet.com) and two operating systems (Windows 95, Windows 2000 - I don't have access to Windows 98, alas). From various trials, and conversations on ICQ, the problem looks like something to do with the interaction between The Bat! and the Windows 2000 TCP/IP stack. The problem, as noted before, is that, with Win2K, The Bat! can only read the POP3 server once in a session; second and subsequent reads stick and the only cure is to close and restart The Bat! I also note that sending email via smtp.lineone.net or ice.cream.org also hangs if the corresponding POP3 server has been interrogated; thus the only way to send email at all using The Bat! is to disable the 'check on starting' and 'automatic check every N minutes' options and, in fact, not check email at all until you've composed and sent your email(s). What I've found: 1. All three programs send and receive email perfectly with Win95. 2. Outlook Express and AK-Mail send and receive email perfectly with Win2K; The Bat! fails. 3. Which POP3 server is used doesn't matter; all three programs work (or don't work) irrespective of which of the three servers are used. 4. The time between checking email twice on the same server doesn't matter; whether it is immediately after the last check, or several minutes after it, The Bat! fails under Win2K (but works under Win95) and the other two programs work under Win2K and Win95. 5. The Bat!'s settings (such as toggling 'send and receive at the same time') don't matter; I've tried all possible permutations and still see the problem. 6. An interesting discovery: I have a personal firewall, ZoneLabs' ZoneAlarm (www.zonelabs.com), installed on the Win2K machine. On the second and subsequent attempts by The Bat! to read any of the three POP3 servers ZoneAlarm catches attempts by them to access 'non-standard' ports (generally in the 1030 to 1060 range), raising an alert. There are no such alerts following the first attempt by The Bat! or with Outlook Express or AK-Mail. I will do whatever is needed to provide more data. For the moment, here's a session with Outlook Express to show what is flying back and forth in a working session (mail.btinternet.com omitted as it's similar to pop3.lineone.net). Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 POP3 Log started at 06/29/2000 09:12:24 POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK [EMAIL PROTECTED] POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] USER alastair POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] PASS * POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] STAT POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK 3 3527 POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] LIST POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 1 944 POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 2 1599 POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 3 984 POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] . POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] UIDL 1 POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK 1 962234045.27814.ice POP3: 09:12:27 [tx] UIDL POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 1 962234045.27814.ice POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 2 962241836.31956.ice POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 3 962264558.5839.ice POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] . POP3: 09:12:27 [tx] TOP 1 0 POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:28 [tx] TOP 2 0 POP3: 09:12:28 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:28 [tx] TOP 3 0 POP3: 09:12:29 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:29 [tx] RETR 1 POP3: 09:12:30 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:30 [tx] RETR 2 POP3: 09:12:31 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:31 [tx] RETR 3 POP3: 09:12:32 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:32 [tx] QUIT POP3: 09:12:33 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:38 [rx] +OK QPOP (version 2.52) at shaggy.lineone.net starting. POP3: 09:12:38 [tx] USER alastair.scott POP3: 09:12:39 [rx] +OK Password required for alastair.scott. POP3: 09:12:39 [tx] PASS *** POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK alastair.scott has 1 message (1069 octets). POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] STAT POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 1069 POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] LIST POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 messages (1069 octets) POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] 1 1069 POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] . POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] UIDL 1 POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 e6e9812616f9b7335a146dac1b18624f POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] UIDL POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK uidl command accepted. POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] 1 e6e9812616f9b7335a146dac1b18624f POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] . POP3: 09:12:41 [tx] TOP 1 0 POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] +OK 1069 octets POP3: 09:12:45 [tx] RETR 1 POP3: 09:12:47 [rx] +OK 1069 octets POP3: 09:12:48 [tx] QUIT POP3: 09:12:48 [rx] +OK Pop server at shaggy.lineone.net signing off. I like The Bat! and want to register it, but obviously cannot do so with such a serious problem outstanding. Alastair -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
Ming-Li wrote: ML I'm no expert and I'm afraid I can offer little help. Yet it ML appears to me that the problem is more than that. I'm using ML Win2k with TB! and I've seen no such problem since day one. I ML believe many people on the list use TB! with Win2k as well. The ZoneAlarm suggestion is interesting; problems with the personal firewall may well be the problem and I'll find out later today (as you can see I'm posting this with TB! so am on the "wrong" machine :) ML Could you tell me how you get the detailed POP3 communications ML log? Is it a built-in function of OE 5.5, Win2k or from a ML 3rd-party utility? (I've just left OE 5, but never tried 5.5, ML and don't remember there's such function in OE. And Win2k is too ML new for me to know much details.) Too bad TB! can't be set to ML provide logs in such detail. For Outlook Express 5.01 select Tools | Options from the menu bar, then press the Maintenance tab and, at the bottom of the tab, there's a 'Troubleshooting' section. Check the 'Mail' check box and, after you've run OE for a bit, search for 'pop3.log' on your hard drive. That contains the information received by OE from the POP3 server. Unfortunately TB! parses the information it received from the POP3 server before displaying it in the Log Panel (Ctrl-Shift-L) :/ (AK-Mail stores the information it receives from the POP3 server in encrypted form and can display it, via an inbuilt viewer, from within itself). Alastair -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
Allie wrote: AM The above instructions do solve the problem and I hope this helps. :-) AM Most who have reported this problem have indeed been using ZoneAlarm. AM Another work around is to use a local POP server. XRay is a nice one. It does - I can now use the three POP3 and SMTP servers ad lib. Many thanks! (One mild warning is that, when you enter the POP3/SMTP server details into ZoneAlarm, you have to be connected to the Internet first. ZA resolves the IP address of the server immediately so, if you aren't online, it complains with a rather obscure error message ...) Alastair -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML attachments
On 2001-04-13 at 9:52 am Thomas wrote: TB generates a text part when you view the message with HTML autview disabled. It was agreed quite some time ago that it should be possible to delete the HTML attachments, so that TB keeps only the text part it has generated. I was of the opinion that this was confirmed quite a number of versions ago. I will be on the lookout (!) for text/html messages, unless anybody can confirm or deny that the feature works. It does. And very useful it is on [another] high-volume email list where about 2/3 of the members post using HTML although there is rarely any typographical need to do so! Alastair -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Receiving blank messages- help???
On 2001-04-13 at 3:10 pm daveiw wrote: I have a strange problem that maybe an easy hit for many of the subscribers of this group. That is for some reason I am occasionally receiving blank messages in my inbox- that is to say no headers, from, to, or even text in the message! (not even rfc-822 headers) All I get is received and created times in the inbox list, and they are becoming quite annoying. I have even uninstalled, then re-installed the bat (and used restore) and still they occasionally turn up. Please please help as this is becoming very irritating? Your email address immediately suggests to me that it's some quirk of your ISP; when I was (briefly) a member of cwcom.net in 1999 all sorts of strange things happened with email delivery (and many other facilities). Suggestion: (i) Set up a secondary (completely different) email package to access your mailbox, ensuring _that email is left on the server_ by it; (ii) Before using The Bat! to download email off the server, check mail (without downloading it) using the other package. Are the problems visible with the secondary email package? Alastair -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Receiving blank messages- help???
On 2001-04-13 at 6:15 pm daveiw wrote: Many thanks for your swift replies, especially Alastair. I have tried another client (OE) as you suggested and found that it too received 1 of those messages. This may suggest the ISP but I have never had this problem before. Is it possible that I may have some sort of virus on my PC (this seems unlikely as the messages are few and far between) that's causing this? Apart from changing ISP - something I do not wish to do, do you have any suggestions? Also in answer to Karin's question - I have no attachments with the messages. :-) A look around suggests that: (i) completely blank emails are most likely an offshoot of faulty spamming software (!) (ii) completely blank emails _with an attachment_ are produced by a number of virus generators (I had one a couple of weeks ago where there were no headers whatsoever but an attachment containing a virus; Panda Antivirus sounded the alarm immediately it was received). Certainly, as there is literally nothing in the emails, they can only be harmless but annoying; the best solution is probably to work up a The Bat! filter to silently delete them before they get to you. (That said, I am having trouble working out what such a filter would be when the incoming message seemingly contains nothing at all, not even a header. Help!) Alastair -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Suggestions
On 2001-04-16 at 2:21 pm Rob wrote: The icons at the top seem to be too small especially the icon with the arrow next to them. Mabey could have an option to have larger toolbar icons or a choice from different ones. Also other program icons drop boxes seem very tiny too. When you create a new email most email programs you just have to click on the TO: or CC: etc icons to bring up the address book but yours is a tiny tiny icon way over the other side. Never seen any email program with it so far out of the way. Seconded. Another problem is that, even when the toolbars are arranged down the sides of the screen, the icons are difficult to "hit" because their clickable area doesn't stretch right to the edge of the screen. This is a well-known problem: http://www.asktog.com/columns/022DesignedToGiveFitts.html (The whole 'toolbar and icon' part of the program is probably the most old-fashioned part of The Bat!, being highly inflexible; in the end I learnt the key shortcuts, such as F8 for bringing up the address book). Another is having to open up my accounts on the list to see my incomming mail. I've set up 7 accounts and when all are open I have to scroll up down the list to see Inbox, outbox etc. It would be nice if the name of the account was the inbox so you only needed to open it if you wanted to see other folders inside, therefore having the take up little screen space. You could then have 10 or more mailboxes with 1 or 2 open and still not need to scroll. I am currently using Poco mail and have been looking for something a bit better to handle HTML. Your program is looking great. If you have a chance checkout Incredimail. It's not that great an email program but it sure has a great interface icons. The first point is rather nicely tackled by AK-Mail* which allows folders to be created which aren't attached to a particular account. So you could do things like filtering all incoming mail from the 7 accounts into one 'Universal Inbox' folder at the root level and take it from there. Such floating folders would be a worthwhile addition to The Bat! IMO. As for Incredimail - a triumph of form over function! That said, it does strike at the weak point of The Bat! which is its lack of flexibility; it's often noted that WinZip has a user interface designed by programmers and I think that criticism has some validity here. Also these lists are so unfriendly. What about a normal forum? I learned that lesson in the dark ages when the United Kingdom had metered telephone rates for Internet connectivity :) Forums are all very well when you're not paying by the minute to read them; the geographical diversity of the participants is fantastic and I'd say a fair proportion *are* paying by the minute so would prefer to have something which can be handled offline if necessary. Alastair * my previous email package - http://www.akmail.com/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Transferring server details
I had occasion to transfer my 7 backup email accounts from Outlook Express 5.5 - I would not dream of using OE for my principal account :) OE does this transfer rather neatly via an .iaf file per account which it can export and import. I had intended to move the accounts to The Bat! but found there was no import facility for the .iaf file; thus I put the backup accounts onto OE as I couldn't face typing in all the details again. Now the .iaf file is not frightening; it is binary but the individual fields, apart from password, look eminently extractable with no encryption or other tricks. It would be useful if an 'import Outlook Express account details' option could be added to The Bat!. It can already import whole accounts* (Tools | Import Messages | Mailbox Import Wizard) but that's a sledgehammer to crack a nut; for backup or infrequently-used accounts the server details are enough ... Alastair * minuscule typo - the radio button should read 'Microsoft Outlook Express 5.xx' as we're well past 5.0 now. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Cascading settings
Something which I have never been able to find is a method of cascading: (i) folder settings; (ii) the columns in the message list (a disguised 'folder setting' I suppose) down a hierarchy of folders. So if, for example, I were to set 'compress the folder' on my Inbox and said 'cascade these settings', it would replicate them to each folder below the Inbox *but not* to anything under Outbox, Sent or Trash. Can this be done? Currently it appears not to happen. Alastair -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Preview Pane: Fit width
Jan wrote: Thanks for the reply. However that's not exactly what I wanted. Let me rephrase my question. Is there a way to make the Preview Pane, set at a given width, show all the text(without some text staying hidden behind its right border? When I decrease Preview Pane's width by dragging its sides, I want the text to automatically format itself (move to new lines) so as to be all visible again within the reduced pane's width. Come to think of it, this not happening looks like a bug; you can do a right mouse button | Preferences on the pane but whatever you select (even something absurd like 'wrap text at 20 characters') has no effect on the appearance of the text within the pane. If it did it would answer the question :) Alastair -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: concerning a template suggestion
On 17 November 2001 at 2:43 pm Peter wrote: Hello Rick, On Samstag, 17. November 2001 at 09:35:51 you wrote (at least in part): RR ... I do think an option to Not use template would be a nice RR feature ... *hmmm* ... If you don't want to use templates at any time, but only for specified contacts you can delete the templates in account properties. To be absolutely sure you can insert the already known '%CLEAR' macro there. If you save the default templates already there into QuickTemplates before deleting them you can also access them manually if needed. But to be honest: don't we all need some kind of templates _at least_ for replying? I mean ... somehow the original text should be contained within my answer, shouldn't it? So what about clearing account-new-template and optimizing/shrinking account-reply-template and account-forward-template as the best compromise? As a guide, my three really simple templates are: [new] On %ODATE at %OTIME %TOFNAME wrote: %QUOTES %CURSOR [reply] %CURSOR BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE From:%OTONAME Date:%ODATE at %OTIME Subject: %OSUBJ %TEXT -END FORWARDED MESSAGE- [forward] (Don't paste or type the quotes ... the 'new' template is blank, for example) The 'reply' one is particularly useful, as it puts 'On 17 November 2001 at 6.00pm Fred wrote' at the start then quotes the text of the original message and puts the cursor there ready for typing the response. This always provokes wow, how did you do that? did you type these in? from Outlook [Express] users ;) [I also prefer to use 'None' as the sender information for quotes in replies, which means that an angled bracket only precedes each quoted line; anything else results in strange text like Cac preceding each quoted line ...!] Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: moving address book to wok
On 17 November 2001 at 8:45 pm Rick wrote: Bat List, I'm in the process of doing some major house cleaning on the Pegasus address book that I've imported into TB (which imported nicely I might add). The question I have is what address book files do I need to bring over to my work computer where I will also be using TB. I saw several files in The Bat! directory that look related to the address book, but I want to make certain of the correct ones. Also is there a templates file that I could also copy over to my work machine as well? The easiest way to do this is to try Tools | Backup and only tick Account Options, Personal Address Books and Global Options, then pick the address book(s) by name using the Choose ... button. This avoids having to guess what the filename is, and Account Options picks up the templates. Transfer the file you save (second step of that dialogue) to the new machine then, on the other machine, do Tools | Restore and import that file. [The Backup and Restore options are much underestimated]. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Search of two fields
On 17 November 2001 at 6:50 pm Januk wrote: 4. Use an external program. People have reported that they really like a program called Mailbag Assistant for their archiving needs. I personally haven't used it, but I have yet to hear a negative comment about this program. The drawback of this solution is that the program isn't freeware. However, it does allow you to migrate between many different e-mail programs with ease (at least, that's what the marketing department says.) http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html Yes, this is a phenomenal package - some people have suggested that The Bat! should have statistics, rather like Eudora does, but this goes way beyond what is done there, And it provides selective archive and restore, export to and import from lots of formats, extraction of any or all fields, scripting, regular expression and soundalike searches, ... For someone who ran a busy campaign and got hundreds of emails a day it was vital. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: wildcards searching
On 19 November 2001 at 4:58 pm Rick wrote: I'm having trouble searching my LDAP directory here at work on Exchange. It doesn't seem to like any wildcards. When searching I can put in 'A' for Name and I'll get back all the First names starting with A but I'd like to be able to search for all the Names and have them in this new address book I made. I was going to suck it up and just go through each letter of the alphabet which wouldn't be that big of a deal except for the fact that each search erases the previous search in my new address book. I tried searching the archives and the FAQ but didn't find stuff to really help me (or else I didn't look long enough:). The two quesions are: 1) Is it a problem on the Exchange server not letting me use wildcards to search? I've tried using * and % and no luck with either. I think this is a server-based thing, or may not be possible at all with Exchange Server; I tried, using both TB! and Outlook Express, to search my work-based server with wildcards; nothing happened. However, I can use partial matches (so Green would match everyone from Aaron Green to Zachary Green :) 2) If I decide to just go through each letter of the alphabet and search LDAP in order to populate the new address book how do I prevent the previous search from being deleted? ( I simply want to keep adding to the book with new searches ). I have this problem as well with LDAP (existing results being wiped out), and some other peculiarities; when I have more time I'll investigate further. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
When is an attached file saved?
I ask because I was sent a .EXE file as an attachment which contained a virus (Hybris/D). This was correctly caught by F-Prot Antivirus; although I deleted the email straight off it seems that the executable was, at some point, saved in ...The Bat!\Mail\account\Attach as F-Prot caught it there this afternoon, nearly a day after the first warning. Q: is an attachment routinely saved there (irrespective of what happens to the accompanying email, including immediate manual deletion) or did I do something to save it (by some action I missed while recalling the sequence of events)? If it is routinely saved, that would appear to be a Bad Thing! Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: moving address book to wok
On 19 November 2001 at 3:30 am Rick wrote: Thanks for the info... question though, if I click on Account Options is this going to mess up the way I connect to my accounts at work? At work I have to connect to my accounts differently since I'm going through an Exchange server and have to use IMAP4. I don't want to have to reconfigure my connections. Not sure if this is what is backed up when account options is selected if so I should probablly skip that checkbox? I've never tried each option separately; I'd imagine rather a lot more than the [POP3] mail servers would be skipped if you didn't check it. So, whatever way you go, you'll be recreating some data. (There also appear to be some bugs with Backup/Restore - some trivial settings, such as the folder fonts and the taskbar/system tray appearance, appear not to be carried across. I've filed a bug report and will see what response there is). Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
- Original Message - From: Jan Rifkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TB! UDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2001 1:02 pm Subject: filtering on language Hello TB! Listers. I've been getting a lot of msgs like the one below its really annoying. Original Message Starts -- www.internethaber.com yilin en iyi ancorhman_n_ belirliyor. Siz de oy kullanarak tercihinizi koyun. www.internethaber.com ve www.gazeteoku.com ile biz haberin tekelini kirdik; gelin siz de bu siteleri ziyaret ederek, bu tekeli kirin. - Original Message Ends --- Can anyone imagine a built in macro that identifies language used, i.e. %IF not %English? Does anyone think this is even possible? It's certainly possible through some sort of dictionary comparison, but that would probably be fatally slow on modest PCs (imagine checking a 2,000 word email :) There may be more clever statistical methods - the above is Turkish, and it's pretty obvious the relative frequency of various letters (eg z and i) is entirely different from that of English - but more similar languages (eg two Indo-European ones ;) might not be so simple to differentiate. I am not a professional linguist so I can't comment definitively. Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
- Original Message - From: Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alastair Scott on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Re: filtering on language Hello Alastair, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:29:05 - GMT (20/11/2001, 22:29 +0800 GMT), Alastair Scott wrote: AS There may be more clever statistical methods - the above is Turkish, and AS it's pretty obvious the relative frequency of various letters (eg z and AS i) is entirely different from that of English - This would be difficult to implement in a TB filter. But I just had an idea: You can actually filter for certain words that are likely to occur in most Turkish-language spams, such as siteler (web sites), for example. You can also use other simple words from the Turkish language. Without a scoring mechanism - i.e. just if one of those five or ten words is found, it's a hit - make your own, very simple, language parser in the form of a TB filter. That would work - translations of sex and money would probably catch 95 per cent of spam ;) The frequency analysis is actually very subtle - two other languages which have lots of zs that come to mind are German and Polish. The huge mass of rules needed to differentiate one language from another would probably be just as slow as the dictionary lookup. Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
LDAP revealed
I had some time and decided to get this (populating my own address book from a LDAP address book) working. Done as follows: 1. Set up two new address books. a. The first is the source, and has properties: Name - Global Address List (for example) Use this book as default ... - not ticked This address book is associated with an LDAP server - ticked LDAP server details - filled in Return maximum 100 matches (say) - the default is 1 which won't get you very far with a big company :) b. The second is the target, and has properties: Name - Alastair's Address Book (for example) Use this book as default ... - ticked This address book is associated with an LDAP server - not ticked LDAP server details - not filled in 2. This done, the task is to build up your personal address book (the target) by doing LDAP searches on the LDAP address list (the source) then dragging matched names from source to target. To do this: a. In The Bat! press F8 then F7, which brings up the LDAP search window (see the picture as attached); b. Type in the partial* name you're searching for, then tick only the name of the source in the bottom pane (green arrows); c. Press Start and wait for the the matched names, if any, to appear in the right-hand pane (behind the LDAP search window); d. Drag and drop the names you want into the target (red arrow); e. Press New Search, then go back to step b. By doing b-e over and over again you can gradually build up your personal address book by drag and drop; you can always see what you've dragged and dropped by clicking on the target's icon (the 'blue book' in the left-hand pane) then going back to the source (the 'green book') before doing another search. I find that, if you make one address book both source and target, you get nowhere; the search results _are_ the address book as each LDAP search, as far as I can tell, replaces the address book contents (!) Unfortunately, this part of The Bat! is both badly documented and has a confusing, because over-complex, user interface :( Alastair * On my server the only match is on surnames (the addresses are stored as Last Name, First Name) and at least three characters have to be typed otherwise there's nothing returned. tb-ldap.png Description: PNG image
Re: Dead animal
On 22 November 2001 at 5:27 am Alexander wrote: Hello Batmans, About half years I've visited last time that place. Nothing happens, nothing changes, the same build, the same questions... It seems animal to be dead and smell I notice Opera has the same problem (small company with everyone expecting a new version every 10 minutes and personal feedback to every query); that's a downside of being close to your users. Conversely, I don't think people get excited about Microsoft bringing out, or not bringing out, a new version of Internet Explorer or Outlook Express. Especially as these are running into diminishing returns; The Bat! is the same. After all, it's only an email package, albeit a very powerful one. (In fact, given Microsoft's enormous resources, one could wonder why it takes 18 months to 2 years to get the next version of Office out. On second thoughts, shhh ... I might give them ideas ;) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: can i recreate folder structure?
On 22 November 2001 at 5:09 pm atelier1 wrote: i have serious problems with my computer several os's are crashing,i did a reformat and new install of xp and w2k, installed thebat ,pointed to the old mail dir ( as outlined in previous posts)all worked fine again, until...the system started to crash again ,had to do many scandisks,maildir got messed up , i refreshed from a cd backup several times(the bat backup is not working ). now, after i find out what the reason for the crashing is ,and the problem is solved, i want to install the bat again, no reg settings import,no account info,no filters,i just want to be able to have my folder structure back with the mail in the folders again. Would this be possible, if so how would i go about this? Thank you in advance This requires someone more technically competent than me in the file structure to answer. However, what is really needed reminds me of a feature request I had in mind and forgot to make. In Tools | Backup, change the option from: [x] Folders with Messages to: [x] Folders [x] with Messages (Obviously checking the second has an implied checking of the first). Several times I've wanted to clear out messages but retain folder structure (at last count 65 folders, so not simple to recreate); without an option to restore the folder structure (after deleting everything) the only way of doing this is laboriously deleting messages from each folder ... unless someone knows better :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: netscape 6.2
- Original Message - From: Gerard de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Call me Babo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 November 2001 8:07 am Subject: Re: netscape 6.2 Saturday, November 24, 2001, 2:10:04 PM, you wrote: CmB Dear listar, CmB I just install N6.2 ... and it looks much better then the prev. CmB verions ( I mean 6xx) : CmB the only one problem I have with it - I can't use thebat!153d as CmB email client. CmB I installed N4.79 aswell + nsproto - in 479 it works. but in NN6 - CmB not : CmB I did click in preferences simple MAPI and assosiate.. CmB but it doesn't help. CmB Any help? CmB thank You very much Hi Call, Isn't the email package a separate install option, meaning if you install it it assumes you want to use it? Best regards, Gerard This appears to be the case with Netscape: however, it is _not_ the case with Mozilla. Unlike Netscape it has a Use Mozilla Mail as the default mail application checkbox in Preferences | Mail Newsgroups. If this is not checked The Bat!, once the options described have been set up from within, remains the default mail package. Moral - uninstall Netscape and install Mozilla. After all, the first is based on (an older version of) the second ... Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Three redundant options?
Just noticed - what do Folder | Browse (and Account | Refresh Folders) and Folder | Refresh do that is useful? Folder | Browse appears to open the currently highlit message, which is pointless from the menu bar as there are are several more sensible ways of doing this, and the second two appear to do nothing at all - I don't even see the tell-tale flicker of something being refreshed. I appreciate that the second two might have some sort of meaning in multi-user situations, but with a single user they seem to be redundant. Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
(SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Don wrote: As much as some of us hate it, html mail is here to stay, and any mail client that doesn't offer the option to compose in this format is doomed in the long run. I despise tacky Outlook html templates but people love using them. The Bat *needs* to be able to compose in html format. As far as viewing html mails, we should have the option of using the Bat's built-in limited viewer (which is enought for my own needs, anyhow) or selecting Microsoft's viewer if we want to see the mail with images, etc. For what it's worth, my opinion is that TB! is doing the right thing (read but not write). The problem is that home and business have radically different requirements. People at home write HTML, quite often without knowing it, and are very lax in handling emails; I am a member of two musicians' lists (the participants being very much users of a PC as a means to an end, as opposed to users of a PC) and viruses were turning up almost weekly until I persuaded the list owner to set up their software to strip out attachments. People at work tend not to write HTML. There is often almost an over-reaction to viruses; many companies I work with strip out HTML and check for viruses at the server as well as on the desktop, but some go further. One client strips out all attachments bar PDF (Word documents and PowerPoint presentations have to be converted before sending or they bounce), strips out HTML, plasters disclaimers everywhere, sets up NT to prevent any software installation or alteration at all and reduces Internet access to the intranet and one external site (news.bbc.co.uk) :) I have a feeling that strong feeling against viruses will spread, particularly as broadband connections become common, and there will be a fork; email will be for plain ASCII and attachments, whereas the bells and whistles will move to instant messaging. Given all this, I would not encourage people to use HTML in emails, but they have to be able to read it (or remove it) :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Account | Clone
Having spent a long time creating 3 new accounts then copying information, by hand, from them, such a command is needed. (Copying the account-wide templates is particularly awkward; I had to cut and paste them into a text file then cut and paste them from there into each account). The command is almost self-explanatory; it would create a new account called Copy of existing account name and retain all existing settings bar the inbound and outbound servers (so that the user doesn't forget to change them). Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Cut and paste of attachments
From an existing message ... why not? (I ask because, tired, I was forgetting and trying to cut and paste files from a message to the desktop. Nothing happened :) I suspect it may have been ruled out to make handling messages deliberately awkward; probably a good idea, given the dangers of accidentally running attachments ... Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Ticker Lifted?
On 9 December 2001 at 12:56 pm Nick wrote: This little app here: http://www.tickermymail.com/ sure looks like it was lifted straight from TB! On a second line of attack I had a look at the Association of Shareware Professionals' site (of which the author of that program is a member) and, in particular, its membership standards: http://www.asp-shareware.org/memberstandards.asp Incredibly, there appears to be no requirement that any product being sold by a member is original! In fact, the whole statement is extremely short and doesn't have the tiresome (but crucial) preamble that defines terms like shareware. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Filters
On 9 December 2001 at 6:46 pm brett wrote: Hello All, I'm new to TB! and am struggling to find a way to create a filter which will leave any mail with attachments on the server (without deleting it from the server). Suggestions much appreciated! Me too - I thought this would be easy, but it isn't. I eventually cracked it thus: (i) in Account | Properties ..., select the Mail Management option from the list on the left and change Message Management to 'Leave messages on server'. (ii) in Account | Sorting Office/Filters, set up a new filter with the following options changed from the default: Rule tab, Filtering string = @, Location = Anywhere, Presence = Yes [in other words, filter all messages as an email message will always contain @ somewhere] Actions tab, 'Delete the message from the server' ticked Advanced tab, 'Message has no attachments' ticked (iii) move this new filter to the top of the list of filters. [to ensure that it is executed before any other filters] Thereafter all messages will be deleted from the server if they don't have attachments, but will remain on the server if they do. The difficult bit is the combination of changing the account properties and writing a filter; it appears you can't do what you want to do with a filter on its own. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Filters
On 9 December 2001 at 8:13 pm Lars wrote: Hi Alastair, On 9 Dec 2001 at 19:11:52 [GMT +], you wrote: I'm new to TB! and am struggling to find a way to create a filter which will leave any mail with attachments on the server (without deleting it from the server). AS (ii) in Account | Sorting Office/Filters, set up a new filter with AS the following options changed from the default: AS [filter details snipped] You should also activate Continue processing with other filters, otherwise your filtering would stop after this filter (which is at the top of the list :-( ). All your other filters would be rather useless with this one. ;-) I always forget that one :) Would it not be safer to default 'Continue processing ...' to on? After all, with 90 per cent* of filters doing so won't make any difference as the message will have been moved to a folder :) Alastair * I think this is a fair guess as to what most filters do. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Garbage filter(s)
On 20 December 2001 at 8:54 pm Jan wrote: But I'm constantly looking for ways to improve ways to rid myself of this disgusting side of email. I get few at home thanks to careful use of email addresses, As for the work ones (I've had the same email address for 8 years and, in the early days, used to post to Usenet without disguising the email address ... !), I get about 90% of them by a simple filter: email address, Recipient, No - Delete the message (as they do not have email address in the header) and putting all the filters for mailing list posts (the only other type of email with email address not in the header) _before_ that one, so all incoming emails from mailing lists are hived off to folders before the spam filter is hit. The other 10%, which _are_ sent directly to the email address, are not really possible to filter out without elaborate matches on subjects and so on. As life is too short for such poking around I delete them. (En passant, has anyone noticed that spam sent directly to the email address [in To:] is becoming more common? A year ago it was 1%, if that, of incoming spam). Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On 29 December 2001 at 4:22 pm John wrote: I can't help wondering if the programmers are indulging the nerd, sorry, expert, users at the expense of the rest of us in this 'feature'. Agent, for example, seems to do this simple task without the need for weird key combinations every time you paste stuff in or go back and add to or delete an existing bit of text. It's the one thing that stops me recommending The Bat to friends who are accustomed to the ease of use of more run of the mill mail programs. My suggestion would be a configurable option so that the editor can behave either way - this would satisfy both camps. The auto-wrap feature as it stands is just not good enough, imho. Agreed - it has a large number of options, but life is just too short to explore them all and their interactions with one another. I have editor settings I'm happy with, but I couldn't explain how I got to those settings (probably trial and error in the past). Like many facilities in TB! beginner and expert approaches would be useful although hard work to implement; the program is phenomenally powerful but all of that power is (potentially) exposed no matter who the user is. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: CNET Bat review (also line-wrap)
On 29 December 2001 at 6:02 pm Avenarius wrote: Hi Bat-fellows, need to brag about something: back in July I ventured to write a few succinct lines of appreciation of The Bat! at CNET's www.download.com. Tonight while casually browsing that server, I've noticed that the review has been picked by CNET as representative for introducing The Bat's features to potential new users. It's a good one! Further down the thread there's a few interesting comments (first in part): The interface for composing messages is among the worst I've seen. The one in Pine (UNIX) is better, for crying out load. So if, say, you reply to a message, there's all kinds of configuration options, but no way to simply line-wrap the quoted text. Plus, if you have two paragaraphs without a filler carriage return between them, the autoformat jams them together. The autoformatter also seems to fill in spaces so when you key upward you don't cling to the flush left words. This proved to be incredibly annoying. And frustrating that there was no way to tweak the options to fix this (especially given how many other options could be changed). So I fled to PocoMail, and have been quite pleased. The editor for composing messages is SO bad, that it ruins an otherwise very nice program. Although I don't agree with the comment about PocoMail it all comes back to the same point as before; because of the complexity of the options and the interactions between them the author is confused! That the editor is being rewritten is good. If one could embed inter alia TextPad, NotePad or UltraEdit into TB! for good measure ... how about an editor plugin like the antivirus plugin? :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
SOT: TB!-aware firewall
Just to note that the new Agnitum Outpost [Free] firewall* knows of The Bat! - it has preset rules for it, as I found out to my surprise when I first tried to retrieve email with the firewall installed. (Quite what these preset rules _mean_ is to be determined; I've never seen a firewall with so many options ...). Alastair * http://www.agnitum.com/download/outpostfree.html -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: SOT: TB!-aware firewall
On 1 January 2002 at 7:09 pm Alan wrote: I just loaded the page and haven't looked at it yet. So I thought I'd ask this out of ignorance anyway (LOL). Is this Outpost any better than, say, ZoneAlarm - also freeware? Does it pass the tests at www.grc.com (such as the Shields Up! and more importantly the Leak Test)? I have to wonder what the preset rules are.. All I can think of is that it allows TB to send and retrieve mail even if the Internet is Locked (if Outpost has such a feature as ZA). No is the one-word answer ;) As it turns out, I removed it because it forgets all the settings after restarting the machine, and turns out to be too complex for not enough gain. So I didn't have the chance to do the Gibson tests, much as I'd have liked to. It guesses what an application is trying to do on first connection to The Internet and applies rules from templates (either specific ones such as The Bat! or generic ones such as browser). Unfortunately it sometimes guesses wrongly and undoing the mistake is awkward ... I noted that, for some reason, the TB! log file is shorter when Outpost is installed, which suggests that a transparent proxy or similar is making its presence felt (there are various ad filters and other plugins). From bad experiences with such transparent proxies before (specifically Panda AntiVirus) this is not a good thing. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: tB! v 3.0?
On 5 January 2002 at 9:39 am daveiw wrote: Hi all and happy New Year! Any ideas when version 3 will be released, and what extras it will have please? The current betas (eventually leading up to version 2.00) have covered a huge distance; the best way to see this is to download and install one if you're feeling brave. The easiest way to do so (and read the reviews, of which mine is the most recent :) is via http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=942557075 (The current betas are sound; there are some glitches, but nothing that has a serious effect on emailing). TB!'s version numbering is conservative; the change from 1.49 (when I started) to 1.54 beta would've resulted in 2 or 3 major releases from most other companies. (Compare, for example, Outlook Express 5 to Outlook Express 6, which had little real change). Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system
On 5 January 2002 at 10:39 am Gerard wrote: Hi Bat Users, I have a little problem. Somehow MS Outlook keeps associating itself with files from type EML. I do not use Outlook and I have TB associate itself with EML files each time. I guess the best way would be to remove Outlook al together, but I cant find it in the add/remove program option. Does anyone know what I can do about this behavior, or how to remove Outlook al together? This is becoming a common problem; if you install a number of media players (eg Winamp and RealOne) you'll find that each of them load a little utility at startup to grab hold of their file extensions before Microsoft Media Player does so. Bizarre but true. Outlook or Outlook Express? If Outlook, remove it using the Office installation utility ;) Outlook Express is entirely different. If you have later versions of Windows (I have XP here) you can't remove it cleanly; there is nothing in the Control Panel to do so and it is tied in with Windows so deleting files may be dangerous. With earlier versions (eg my office machine, which has Windows 95), it _does_ have a Control Panel add/remove entry for Outlook Express. However, this may be of interest: http://www.98lite.net/ Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: tB! v 3.0?
On 5 January 2002 at 11:52 am Ottar wrote: Hello Alastair, Saturday, January 05, 2002, 11:55:00 AM, you wrote to TBUDL: AS (The current betas are sound; there are some glitches, but nothing AS that has a serious effect on emailing). You beta-folks? Do you just install the beta in your message base and continue using the program. OK I will take a backup first, but the mail I recieve after the backup will be hadled by the beta. Is there any risk of losing important mail? Do you take any other precautions? I've never taken any precautions other than the daily backup from TB! to CD-RW (using Tools | Backup ...) which I'd do anyway. All I do is rename the program file to THEBAT.BAK and copy the beta THEBAT.EXE from the distribution archive into TB!'s home directory. I've never had any difficulties with going between beta and release versions, and have tested both 1.53 and 1.54 betas. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: tB! v 3.0?
On 5 January 2002 at 11:54 am Allie wrote: @ 10:55:00 + [ Sat, 5 Jan 2002], Alastair Scott [AS] thoughtfully wrote the following: ... AS TB!'s version numbering is conservative; the change from 1.49 AS (when I started) to 1.54 beta would've resulted in 2 or 3 major AS releases from most other companies. (Compare, for example, Outlook AS Express 5 to Outlook Express 6, which had little real change). Agreed!! I wonder at times, knowing of the power of human perception, if this is a good thing. Probably not - if you look at various places where review comments are posted (eg www.betanews.com) there are complaints that TB! hasn't reached version 2 although it was promised in 1957 and suchlike although, really, it's at about version 4 on modern numbering systems (those artificially accelerated by the ability of the Internet to easily distribute minor changes with major hyperbole) ... For example, the latest beta change (adding SSL port 995 facilities) would've provoked a press release and fanfare of trumpets from many others I'm sure ;) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Colour group
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: MD5 On 6 January 2002 at 9:18 pm Luc wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi list, can somebody give me some feedback on colour groups? What arte they good for and how do they work? The help files are a bit cryptic ;) They're for automatically highlighting defined groups of messages - for example, all the observation reports I get are highlit red and bold when unread, which is reasonably useful :) To use them you do two things: (i) use Options | Message List Colours to set a colour definition up; (ii) use Account | Sorting Office/Filters to apply that colour definition to a (sub)set of the incoming messages. An example (my folders, naming conventions etcetera) - to colour all incoming messages for this list purple, with unread ones in bright purple and bold text: (i) Group name = [tbudl], handle = 1, colour of read = Purple, colour of unread = Fuchsia, all other settings unchanged. (ii) Filter name = [tbudl], Move to folder Inbox/Lists/[tbudl], Actions | Set the message's colour group = ticked, dropdown box below = [tbudl] The only slight problem (?) is that messages already filtered without the colour group set up don't change colour group automatically; you have to drag them back to Inbox and then do Re-filter messages (right mouse butto from Inbox folder in pane). There are doubtless other ways of using colour groups, but the above is what I do. Alastair -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6 iQEVAwUAPDjBMVsCeZfvyTL/AQFCWAgApD+6NMKC5f/Ok3Xqj5Vo670pKeXKujkD gV40hRmXlBhGh6mzru+h5YwFcfps1yRkiiUCFDW57hDgNblNfHp33EQwQkU5Wopo gKT9hQ+OIaXrzOGL4qqhUMgErLM3BvRxH0du4MBv9EVWBgWoWZ9ORyHN/QPR60Q3 nPjXxaRsNyKvX73P0IkHUA/o4agwDtWkl6h4Bk8RdzNXITKqsr3Ekk8ji8Bcq2CE 3CgwuvYkWAMPmXebm8K/Po8AFlLWS3o4H0mI/ZN2tQZYWSl9SRZIdgOJuX6CyKVJ qE7BBZvQxJCuXBfSg/z/PQw7pA2pdMZAfyioi8fwNvuXfLL/9810hg== =orHz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Should I dump Outlook 2000?
On 7 January 2002 at 7:09 pm Jon wrote: I haven't yet moved over to TB from Outlook 2000 yet, so I am seeking opinions from others about whether or not I should do so. For those who have made the shift, what are the biggest benefits you have noticed? What is the biggest downside you have found? That'll provoke a huge postbag but I feel no desire not to contribute ;) Main benefits: (i) TB! can cope with huge databases of emails (80,000+ in my case!) without crashing or misbehaving; there was never the slightest chance that Outlook could do so, and I was continually having to hive off messages into archives and juggle things around (and there's no need for PST [Outlook mail file] repair utilities and similar); (ii) TB! doesn't suffer from intrinsic security problems (not merely a spectator's opinion; my company suffered from several Outlook viruses which caused the most extraordinary chaos); (iii) TB! loads quickly and can be left to run in the background without bloating up the machine; (iv) TB!'s filtering is excellent; Outlook's filters are a sad failure, as they try to use a naturalish language which isn't really tractable; (v) TB!'s templates are also excellent; Outlook users see something like At 6.48pm on 7 January 2002 Fred said: at the top of the message and think this is wonderful ;) (vi) TB! has no integrated calendar functionality. This might sound rather odd, but on one project I was plagued with meeting requests and other auto-generated bombardments from Outlook. Things actually ran more smoothly when I persuaded everyone to switch off all this functionality because I used TB!, which didn't understand it ;) (vii) The backup and restore is an absolute lifesaver, and would be even better if it could be automated from outside the program (a common request) ... Main demerits: (i) Rather stiff UI - customisable toolbars and suchlike are more important than I thought; (ii) The learning curve is phenomenal; after several months using the package I'm still learning every day. Unfortunately, most people don't have the time or motivation for this, and it's a bit annoying when you've overlooked something because the online help isn't very good (if a secret benefactor were willing to pay 6 months' salary I'd gladly vanish into a corner and rewrite the whole help system from scratch for nothing ;) Alastair smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Accented characters
On 8 January 2002 at 4:41 pm Marck wrote: Greetings Bat Fans, A question has been posed to me off-list be a journalist and I wondered if anyone here knows anything about this issue - I don't. it pertains to use of the UK keyboard. ,- [ Query ] | One convention which appears not to work is that of generating | accented characters using prefix key combinations. This isn't one | that's widely known so in case you're not familiar with it (excuse me | if I'm mentioning something you already know) it's using such as Ctrl | + ' + e to give é, Ctrl + Shift + ^ + a to give â, Ctrl + Shift + ~ + | N to give ñ, Ctrl + Shift + : + u to give ü, and so on. I've done all | these examples here using cut and paste from Word but it would be good | to have them readily available thus from the keyboard. `- As pointed out elsewhere, this is an Office trick (borrowed from MacOS :) However, there is a very nice free application which allows such multiple key combinations to be used in _any_ Windows application and, for good measure, is completely customisable (something like this would be nice for TB!'s own key combinations ;) http://allchars.zwolnet.com/ Alastair smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Sudden inspiration - easy spam filter
Why not make the Filtering Strings | Strings settings in a filter Filtering Strings | String or Filename? The rationale for this is producing an easily updated anti-spam filter; I'm getting a lot of spam from Taiwan for some reason so the filter would have, among others: Rule.Move messages to folder = Trash Rule.Strings = .tw (Location = Anywhere, Presence = Yes) Actions.Mark the message as read = ticked Now if, say, spam started turning up from China I would add another entry: Rule.Strings = .cn (Location = Anywhere, Presence = Yes) and if people started to sell me Viagra another entry would be: Rule.Strings = Viagra (Location = Anywhere, Presence = Yes) These multiple entries get unwieldy, especially with the cluttered screen area in which they are held, and it would be much easier to handle this situation if I could specify: Rule.Filename = whatever (Location = Anywhere, Presence = Yes) and then have whatever as a plain text file containing the lines: .tw .cn Viagra ... and so on. Thus another junk string would merely require altering a text file _outside_ TB! (and could probably be automated in some way), rather than adding rule after rule after rule _within_ TB! (Regular expressions are not enough - the possible junk strings are too disparate). Thoughts? Alastair smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Should I dump Outlook 2000?
On 7 January 2002 at 11:55 pm Juan wrote: Hi Alastair, Monday, January 07, 2002, 4:38:32 PM, you wrote: AS Main benefits: AS [...] You forgot to mention that TB! doesn't come from Micro$oft ;) Not an issue for me! I really violently _hate_ this dogma, if X writes a good package and if X writes a bad package it's bad; who X is doesn't come into it. (If, in some crazy parallel universe, RITLabs wrote Outlook and Microsoft wrote TB!, praise would be unto Microsoft; actually, Outlook is good but not good enough ;) I omitted another reason: (viii) The ability to change the _account_ of a reply with one menu option [Options | Active account | ...]. This is phenomenally useful for someone like me who had to change ISPs 4 times in the past 2 years and keeps getting messages to the wrong account; the reply can be sent from the correct account without cutting and pasting and confusing oneself. Alastair smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Should I dump Outlook 2000?
On 8 January 2002 at 3:13 am Raj wrote: I guess the point Alastair was making is that the learning curve is made phenomenal mainly due to lack of information or information not presented in proper manner. Quite :) I personally used TB for over 8 months as described you in the first part. Its only when I stated digging did I realize I have to dig deep and at multiple place to strike. This is what make getting used to TB difficult. For most people e-mail is a tool to get their work done and one cannot expect them to search all over the net or subscribe to TBUDL to get majority of info. It should be available in the help file with examples. I guess its high time people at RITlabs realized that its just not important to have a good product but also package it well. Yes, that could scarcely have been put better. I rather dislike Apple for Steve Jobs' grandstanding, its condescension (the implication that only it can do good design and everyone else is an uncultured fool only interested in money) and the semi-devotional atmosphere generated by its followers ... but one thing it has _never_ done is cut corners on documentation, either electronic or paper. Its manuals are a pleasure to read, and also an education in how to write documentation yourself. (A great danger when working for the IT industry is falling into the trap oh, we're clever and can work it out from first principles. After 12 years in that industry I've learned better; I'd say about 1/3 of my time is spent writing up what I've done, either for those working for me or for the users). Alastair smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Sudden inspiration - easy spam filter
On 9 January 2002 at 3:25 am Thomas wrote: I understand you have never received a message I sent from home? My cable provider is ethome.net.tw and this will be shown in the headers. Please be carefull with declaring whole countries/TLD's as spammers. At work there is no doubt :) [This is the home account, on which the real TB! work is done, and it doesn't have that filter; I've received every one]. Alastair smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Bat and Eudora
At 09:38 am 09/01/02 +, Mike wrote: Hi, I would like to ask a question that could get my head chopped off grin If one wanted to run TB! and Eudora simultaneously, how would one be able to reimport messages from TB! into Eudora? Thanks, Mike - putting on the tin hat. You can take it back off :) Unfortunately Eudora is very limited in its input formats (Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape) and none of these are supported by The Bat! There have been occasional posts about bridging the gap by using Outlook Express (export text files from TB!, then import text files to OE, then import OE - Eudora) but these methods are hideously clumsy. The best solution if you use more than one email package is to use a third-party utility called Mailbag Assistant, which handles conversion plus a whole lot else. You pay a bit but, for USD30, you get a lot for what you pay. http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a pro-active anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe visit http://www.messagelabs.com/ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
ZIP and email peculiarity
When using WinZip's Zip and email from the Explorer context menu (WinZip | Zip and Email filename), I've noted something odd. When I started off using TB! I was with ISP A and made it the default; I then moved to ISP B and made B the default (this account is the default for mailto: URLs in Account | Properties in both cases). Yet Zip and email is still using A to send the email from. The first thing to do is to establish whether it's a WinZip problem or a TB! problem; I suspect this means monitoring API calls or similar, which I don't have the knowledge to do. Anyone? Alastair NB I'm using WinZip 8.1 (build 4331). smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: winxp out of mem
On 11 January 2002 at 2:27 pm Joe wrote: Friday, January 11, 2002, 1:13:06 AM, you wrote: [...] Try deleting old messages if possible, or archive them. May I ask you how you usually go about archiving your old messages? I assume you mean to completely remove them from TB! and place them somewhere else, e.g., onto removable storage media? Does this really improve the performance of TB!? How? And if so, at what point does this improvement occur? As far as I can see (with anything from 0 to the current 30,000 messages in TB!) there is no performance hit, in basic use, as far as I can see, and no crashing irrespective of the size of the message base. This is a remarkable achievement, and a rare one for Windows packages (which tend to progressively collapse as more and more is stuffed into them) :) Of course, things like searches, which may have to traverse the entire folder tree, slow down as the message base gets bigger, but nothing can be done about that. I archive to CD-RW each night and to CD-R about every 50,000 messages or so, but this is solely to keep the message base a manageable size for myself. What I do when I want to clear out TB! is a complete backup (Tools | Backup) to CD-R then delete the contents of each folder by hand*. Alastair * a useful facility would allow you to delete all messages _but_ keep the folder tree intact. This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: winxp out of mem
On 11 January 2002 at 3:05 pm Peter wrote: Hello Alastair, On 11 Jan 2002 at 15:39:58 you wrote (at least in part): AS ontents of each folder by hand*. [...] AS * a useful facility would allow you to delete all messages _but_ keep AS the folder tree intact. I don't know if you're already doing, but you can easily delete the content of one folder by using Ctrl+Del with the folder focused. Pretty much easier than selecting all messages and deleting manually, but of course not as nice as 'delete messages in tree' :-) Ah, I see hypnopaedia à la _Brave New World_ (a speaker in the headboard of the bed whispering 5,000 times per night Ctrl and Del together deletes the contents of the focused folder and similar keyboard shortcuts I've learned about through this list) is required :) Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Display Font
On 11 January 2002 at 4:06 pm Alan wrote: Friday, January 11, 2002, 7:12:25 AM, GJim wrote: After re-installing TB! (along with EVERYTHING else), I no longer have access to the display font, within TB!, that I used to use (Andale Mono). Does the font exist in your c:\windows\fonts folder? I couldn't tell you, off hand, if it's a default Windows font, but this would be the first place i'd look. Ah, that reminds me :) For some reason it isn't supplied on the Windows CD (even XP) or with an Internet Explorer download. You have to download and install it separately from: http://www.eu.microsoft.com/typography/downloads/andale32.exe Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: winxp out of mem
On 11 January 2002 at 9:23 pm Joe wrote: What I do when I want to clear out TB! is a complete backup (Tools | Backup) to CD-R then delete the contents of each folder by hand*. If I were to do that, could I (if I ever needed to) restore multiple generations of a particular archive? Say, restore Year 1 plus Year 2, to get an active file that included both Year 1 *and* Year 2? Unfortunately not; TB!'s archive is absolute (restoring it replaces the entire message database), not incremental (archives can be added on top of each other) ... This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com One more question: Is the above notice automatically affixed by your virus-scanning software, or is it a cookie? Automatically affixed - my company subscribes to it. (It is a rather grand attempt to stop viruses getting onto company networks; MessageLabs interposes a server between the Internet and the company network which catches virus-infected emails and holds them). Alastair smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: 1.53t
On 13 January 2002 at 09:12 Jernej wrote: Hello Ottar, 13. januar 2002, 8:40:41, you wrote: OG ZipMagic www.mijenix.com handles rar-files and allow you to use OG zip-files as folders so you can run programs from them and open OG files wothout unziping to a seperate folder first. Nice. So does 7-zip www.7-zip.com (and it's own archive format is much tighter than RAR or ACE) Thanks! As well as installing 7-zip I've deleted WinZip and WinRAR (two fine examples of user interface design, I write sarcastically ;) Nice things come in threes :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails
On 14 January 2002 at 03:20 Rick wrote: I'm just curious if anyone could give me some of the benefits/drawbacks of using PocoMail vs The Bat! I'm a registered user of The Bat! that came from Pegasus so I'm just curious what some users of it think of it compared to The Bat!. If this is too off topic I apologize and feel free to mail me off list. Mail clients interest me and I'll probably download pocomail just for the fun of it, but figured I'd get some opinions first if anyone had any. Well, I had a look at Poco and it turned me right off straight away (as Pegasus and Eudora do). I'm a user interface designer - and sensitive to such things - and I'd rather have an old-fashioned interface like TB's rather than one which doesn't look like a Windows application. That said, some of the Poco features are very powerful; I was amused to see that the spam filtering (on word lists) was anticipated by myself, and the scripting language looks nice :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Extended ASCII Characters
On 14 January 2002 at 18:41 Dierk wrote: BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right Alt+e? Or is this only feasible with a German keyboard layout? And how then do other EURO countries do it? Or Americans? Or ...? United Kingdom keyboards are Europhiles and AltGr-4 does it (your 'right Alt' is our 'AltGr') :€ (Switching to the US layout, AltGr-4 doesn't do anything; Alt-0128 produces the euro symbol). Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails
On 14 January 2002 at 23:09 Melissa wrote: Personally, I think Slaven is great. I know he's dedicated to making Pocomail better, and no doubt it will improve. His tireless programming efforts and dedication to customer support (and openness to and implementation of suggestions) are much appreciated by Pocomail users and beta testers. However - it is, in my opinion, still *far* from being ready for prime time. That Poco is maintained by one person is a big problem. What happens if something happens to him? (And things do happen - I've been stung several times by packages which suddenly stopped being developed for one reason or another - www.akmail.com is an example very close to home :) That, for me, would be reason enough not to bother with it ... Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails
On 15 January 2002 at 8:31 am Dierk wrote: Well, both are German luxury cars ... which means most Germans like them, virtually every non-German, and me not. I'd rather have a good British (they are mostly half American today), Italian or French car. Even the Spanish version of German cars (Seat) I'd much prefer to the German counterparts (VW). Sorry for being off-topic, needed a bit of comic relief here. :-) As long as you don't have a British railway :P Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Oddity when replying.
On 16 January 2002 at 20:49 Geordon wrote: Hello list, I'm trying to replay to a long e-mail and cut parts out, but when I hilight and hit DEL or BACKSPACE, it only deletes a couple of characters, rather than the whole selection. I can CTRL-X it gone, though. Any ideas on what I can check to figure out why this is happening? Thanks I wouldn't mind any thoughts on this - I noted it this afternoon when I was trying to delete a quoted section (each line prefaced with ). Del only deleted the first quote (a couple of characters) no matter the size of the paragraph selected, but Ctrl-X or pressing Backspace repeatedly (yuck) did ... (Strangely, I've used TB! for about a year and never noticed this before; the behaviour is also present in 1.54 betas :) Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/29 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Oddity when replying.
On 16 January 2002 at 20:59 Alastair wrote: I wouldn't mind any thoughts on this - I noted it this afternoon when I was trying to delete a quoted section (each line prefaced with ). Del only deleted the first quote (a couple of characters) no matter the size of the paragraph selected, but Ctrl-X or pressing Backspace repeatedly (yuck) did ... (Strangely, I've used TB! for about a year and never noticed this before; the behaviour is also present in 1.54 betas :) Discovered. I'd been doing some testing and forgotten to put back the editor settings ... If you go to Options | Editor Preferences and make sure the 'Persistent Blocks' option is unchecked and the 'Overwrite Blocks' option is checked Del will do what you expected it to do. Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/29 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Problem with sending attachments
On 17 January 2002 at 19:39 Mary wrote: Mary Cassidy wrote: Anyway it didn't work; usual error message. I just tried an entirely different tack; I saved the document in Word 6.0/95 and guess what? it worked. But why? I've only recently started using Win2000 with Office2000 (my supplier's lent me a copy to evaluate it because I was doubtful about upgrading from Office98). But surely lots of other people must be using TB with Office2000 and managing to send attachments? Any brilliant ideas (other than XP, which I don't really fancy just yet)? Aha, an idea :) Go to the 'Account' menu, select the 'Properties ...' item, then select the 'Files Directories' item in the left-hand pane then look at the drop-down box entitled 'By default encode attachments using'. Change the setting there to the opposite of what it's currently set to (there are two settings, 'MIME Base 64' and 'UU Encoding'). Then try sending the file you were originally trying to send (in Word 2000 format). Does it work this time? Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Problem with sending attachments
On 17 January 2002 at 23:15 Mary wrote: I was convinced that must be it, but no, it doesn't work either. TB was set to Base 64; Eudora was set to MIME, and Netscape to the non-MIME option, something like send as is (I have the Italian version, so I don't know the exact English name). I changed TB to UUE, but it made no difference. Then I tried zipping the file, and again it worked, so the file format must have something to do with it. Any more ideas? Last shot :) Is it only one particular file in Word 2000 format that's causing the stoppage, or can you repeat the problem with different files? Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Problem with sending attachments
On 18 January 2002 at 12:16 pm Mary wrote: I don't suppose all that many people send files from a different partition, but even so, Netscape and Eudora allow me to do it with no trouble. I've tried setting the Account Properties to save attachments in a separate new file in the Win2000 partition (couldn't find the default attachment file), but it doesn't work (the attachment is definitely in that file, I checked). The problem seems to be that the files originate from the other partition, so I'm going to have to save them on both partitions if I don't want to lose them when I uninstal. Bug? Almost certainly :) It triggers a similar cross-partition memory; many beta versions ago I had problems saving a TB! backup to a NT 4 partition from a Windows 95 machine (during production of the backup TB! writes temporary files, the directory for those being on the Windows 95 machine). The problem went away before I raised a bug report ... Anyway, it's a temporary problem; before I register TB I'll have decided whether or not to buy Win2000. Thanks to all who offered help and advice; although I eventually found the solution myself, I would never have thought of the answer if I hadn't been subscribed to this group. I had been writing a response (which I threw away) along the lines of Given that ZIP files work another workaround is to use WinZip's self-extractor (C:\Program Files\WinZip\WZSEPE32.EXE on my machine) to create a self-extracting ZIP file which people _without_ WinZip can receive, copy to their hard drives, then click on to extract the original file. That would be worth keeping in mind. Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/29 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Problem with sending attachments
On 18 January 2002 at 2:22 pm Andrew wrote: Hello Alastair Mary, AS ... many beta versions ago I had problems saving a TB! backup to a AS NT 4 partition from a Windows 95 machine Alastair -- Do you remember, was the NT4 partition formatted as FAT or NTFS? Was this NTFS partition a shared directory on a network server or on your own PC? It was (and is) an NTFS share on a network server. Mary -- Are you logging on to Windows 2000 with Administrator rights? AS ...create a self-extracting ZIP file which people _without_ WinZip AS can receive, copy to their hard drives, then click on to extract AS the original file. Alastair -- Many mail systems now refuse executable file attachments and many users are very wary of opening executable attachments that they have not already been advised to expect. Whoops - forgot about that (MS Outlook will silently delete them if the various security options are installed) :/ Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Problem with sending attachments
On 18 January 2002 at 2:47 pm Andrew wrote: Hello Alastair, Last question (but no promises): ;-) AS It was (and is) an NTFS share on a network server. What rights do you have on this share? Can you create a file there? (In Windows Explorer, click on File, New..., then select anything on the list) Yes. Even when TB! wasn't wanting to create the file, I could :) Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Horizontal versus Vertical
On 18 January 2002 at 10:15 Gerard wrote: Hi Bat Users, Me and some other users are working on the translation of TB to Dutch. While doing so I stumbled over the following. In the main screen please go to View - Split mode -- Select Horizontal and then Vertical split. Please let me know it performed the split as you would expected it. I think this is why many applications use a little picture of the panes rather than trying to describe what's happening in words ;) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: scanning incoming/outgoing emails
On 20 January 2002 at 16:29 Joseph wrote: Jan Rifkinson wrote on Saturday, January 19, 2002: I use The Bat! which is not listed here. This email client has the ability to use an anti-virus plug-in from any program developer that provides one. How does this work? Where is the documentation to be found? I route my incoming email through my AV program (NOD32), but I've made no adjustments in TB! There's a facility in the current 1.54 beta versions (not the 1.53 release version) which allows messages to be automatically virus-scanned by TB! _provided a TB!-specific plugin exists_. At the moment, as far as I know, only Kaspersky Anti-Virus has a plugin written for it, and the virus-checking facilities are greyed out in any case ... (I suppose thie point of this plugin architecture is to allow any anti-virus vendor to hook their product into TB! easily and in a predictable way). If this were available, it would be of great help to many of us even though The Bat! has it's own built in virus checker. What built-in virus checker does TB! have? None; see above. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML- special folder
On 21 January 2002 at 11:04 am Jason wrote: Hi, I'm a novice user in TB can we set up a filter to sent all the html email straight to a special folder what is the condition to be applied in the filter thanks ya! One way to do it would be to give the filter: Strings = HTML [as every HTML page has HTML somewhere near the start] Location = Text [test for HTML's presence anywhere in the body of the message] Presence = Yes [self-explanatory] Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: management of folders
On 21 January 2002 at 15:34 David wrote: Hello TBUDL, I find The Bat! very easy to use for filtering mail. It is extremely powerful, but the ability to so easily move messages around raises a question, for me: What is good strategy for handling folders of incoming and sent messages? Is it a good idea to put sent messages in the same folder with incoming mail? What about setting up inbox and sent sub-folders for each mail folder (seems very complicated and does not really solve the problem of seeing sent messages with corresponding reply). Any suggestions? This (filtering ingoing _and outgoing_ messages on the fly to folders) is actually easier than any other mail package I've come across because of a very nice feature. Go to the Inbox, select a message in the message list and press Ctrl-Shift-F or right mouse button | Specials | Create filter ...; the dialog box that pops up on doing this is self-explanatory, creating the filter for you (which would otherwise involve a visit to Account | Sorting Office/Filters). You can also set up the mirror image of such filters for outgoing messages (go to Sent Mail once the reply has been sent and do the same thing) to send them where you want; by making both Move to folder: folders the same you _can_ have sent messages and replies next to each other. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML- special folder
On 21 January 2002 at 12:30 Marck wrote: Yes - for text/html, although that wouldn't see the multipart/alternative styled messages in which the HTML version of the message is a simple attachment. Such messages would be missed by both of the suggestions so far. I think you would have to have alternatives set up for each of these filter aspects for it to work reliably. After much experiment the one that always works (given that the spam email I get is almost exclusively HTML and exclusively multipart with an attachment) is content-type: text/html in Kludges (no quotes when typing it into the box). So a combination of that and html (again no quotes) in Text would probably cover everything reasonable. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: making an existing folder a subfolder
On 24 January 2002 at 2:52 pm Rick wrote: Is there a way to drag a folder into another folder so that it becomes a subfolder? I can use alt-and hold down on a folder to move it but I can't seem to get it to go into another folder to become a subfolder. Ctrl-Alt-drag does it. In general: i. Alt-drag onto a folder puts the dragged folder at the same level; ii. Ctrl-Alt-drag onto a folder puts the dragged folder one level below. A slight oddity with Alt-drag is that, if you do it twice, the folder is displayed either side of the folder at the same level. So, if you have A in place and B being dragged, the first drag of B onto A gives - B - A and the second of B onto A gives - A - B Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/31 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Synchronizing two TB! mailboxes on different computers
On 25 January 2002 at 11:02 am Marcus wrote: Hello, I'm currently using The Bat! 1.53d at home and would like to use it at work on my laptop as well. Mostly I bring my laptop with me when I'm leaving the office, but not always. When I do, I will use the laptop to read my mails, but when I don't I will of course use my desktop at home. Now comes the tricky part. When I bring my laptop home I would like to synchronize the mailboxes from the different computers so that they look exactly the same. A mail sent from my laptop should show up in my sent folder on both computers and of course a mail sent from my stationary should show up in the sent folder of my laptop as well. If you have used Outlook on a laptop you know what I mean, when you come back to the office and plug the network cable in the local mailbox is synchronized with the server's mailboxes. Is it possible to use The Bat! this way? I suppose I can run The Bat! in server mode at my stationary and as a client on my laptop, but will I still be able to send mail from the laptop when I'm not connected to my stationary? And will the mailboxes automatically synchronize when the two Bats get in contact with each other? (I'm sorry for all my words, english isn't my native language and it's pretty annoying trying to explain what I mean in a language I don't speak or write fluent) You explained it excellently :) Unfortunately, not many people (myself included) seem to use the client-server functionality; I would always use Workstation with TCP/IP (Options | Network Administration), so can't help directly. That said, I use two [manual] methods to synchronise between two machines: 1. Exporting and importing Unix mbox files (Tools | Export Messages); 2. more rarely Synchronisation (Tools | Synchronisation). The first, for less than about 20 or 30 messages a day, works quite well. Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Cursors and font
On 27 January 2002 at 15:24 Headless wrote: New to The Bat!, can I get rid of the custom cursors that are displayed when hovering over links? Wait until version 1.54 :) (They have gone in beta versions of 1.54). I'd also like to change the editor font, but only a few of the installed fonts show up in The Bat! That's because the editor only supports plain text email and restricts itself to fixed-width fonts: these are a small subset of all fonts installed on your PC (typically Andale Mono, Courier New, Lucida Sans Typewriter, ...). I believe that the editor is being completely rewritten to allow not only variable-width fonts but HTML email (changes of font, size, colour etc. within the text you write) as well; however, this change is not in 1.54 unless it suddenly parachutes in. Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/31 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: On Topic or Off Topic?
On 27 January 2002 at 14:41 DJ wrote: Hello Marck, Sunday, January 27, 2002, 2:20:14 AM, you wrote: Thanks for your reply, it's been parked and flagged. Will the bat work with HotMail? HotMail uses an older form of e-mail that 99% of others have discarded. I think it's HTML based, or something like that. I'm not sure what setting to change to get it running. I tried it with no results earlier today. Unfortunately not - Hotmail doesn't use standard protocols for reading and writing email (POP3/IMAP4/SMTP) and, I believe, is _completely_ proprietary. At various times there've been attempts (elsewhere) to set up facilities to access it with POP3 gateways and similar, but these've been rendered inoperable by Microsoft :/ Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/31 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Global Sorting
On 28 January 2002 at 2:40 pm Dave wrote: Is there a way to set up filter which works across multiple accounts? Alternatively, is there a way to set up a folder which is common to more than one account? If, as I suspect, the answer to both questions is no, can anyone suggest a graceful way to handle the following situation? I have several POP3 accounts. The mail coming through all of these accounts needs to be sorted into a common set of folders. Is there not some alternative to maintaining multiple sets of identical filters, one for each account? Wait until version 1.54; it has common folders which can be set up independently of other accounts and can have messages filtered into them from any or all accounts. (It doesn't have common filters which, come to think of it, might be a worthwhile addition!) Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/31 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Missing mailticker
On 28 January 2002 at 10:18 am Gerard wrote: Not being faint of heart I hacked the register and restored the ticker. Although I agree that it is nice to be able to have the ticker partly of screen , I realy feel there should be a button somewere to restore the ticker to (0,0) were you can see it regardless of resolution This sort of thing would do better as a command line switch (/FIXTICKER); a button only pressed whenever something goes wrong is not a good advertisement ;) There may be some subtle Windows problem as TB! is not the first application where I've noted windows appearing off screen unexpectedly ... Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Template for printing emails?
On 29 January 2002 at 10:09 am John wrote: Is there anywhere in TB! where I can create a template to use when I print out emails? Select Print Setup from the Message menu then click the Template (middle) tab ... and there it is. Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Template for printing emails?
On 29 January 2002 at 10:49 am John wrote: On 29 Jan 2002 at 10:18 Alastair wrote: On 29 January 2002 at 10:09 am John wrote: Is there anywhere in TB! where I can create a template to use when I print out emails? Select Print Setup from the Message menu then click the Template (middle) tab ... and there it is. Thanks! I thought there must be a template somewhere. And there was me trying to find it under templates . . . Can I have folder specific print templates? Well ... there's a 'Use folder-specific print settings' checkbox when you bring up Folder Properties (Alt-Enter with the folder highlit), but I've never used it and it's not clear how it works. Anyone? Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Messages deleted in Inbox folder?
On 30 January 2002 at 21:52 ETM wrote: I am a relatively new registered user of TB. I did use ExpressAssist to protect my OE mail. I have also performed one backup of all of TB, but have no proof that the backup was successful. Is there a way to confirm that everything is actually there? Does the backup program permit restoring in the event of a mail program failure? How is that done? It can't be verified, save by importing it into another copy of TB! (I've never had any problem but, if the file format were made open, someone could easily write a separate program to check that a backup file followed the format hint, hint :) If there's a catastrophic failure, the way you get everything back is: 1. Reinstall TB! from the installation package 2. Restore the backup file via Tools | Restore and everything (including the program settings) is restored from the time you made the backup. [There's a minor annoyance in that, the first time you run TB!, it forces you to go through an 'account wizard'. This can't be quit from so you have to put in nonsensical account information then, when you finally get to the main screen, restore the backup file and delete the nonsense account. I've put in a feature request that the 'account wizard' _can_ be quit]. A wish would be that the Folder Menu specifically spell out Empty Trash -- I think the potential to be in the wrong folder when emptying trash is great. Most other mail programs are pretty specific on which folder is being emptied and require selectively or consecutively marking mail for deletion from active folders and only allow emptying the trash folder. Not quite sure what you're driving at here as 'empty folder' on any other folder puts the contents of the folder into the Trash, then 'empty folder' inside Trash _really_ deletes those messages. Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/33 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat vs. 1.54?
On 03 February 2002 at 07:17 Nick wrote: All I can say is that the wait will have been worth while... and shouldn't be too much longer. I have to agree with Dierk on this one point, and that is the importance of not releasing the next version until the major bugs have been resolved. The problem at times seems to be the addition of new features without resolving some of the old bugs, which results in further delays before the next release. Hopefully that cycle is near an end. ... because the authors were flattened by the beta testers ;) There _was_ a problem with new features being added at too great a rate but, following a big fuss over Christmas, there's now good solid bug-fixing going on. Certainly, since about beta 25, I've felt no need to go back to version 1.53. Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/34 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: complaint: thebat portability
On 03 February 2002 at 06:10 ::Andrew:: wrote: Hello tbudl, Don't get me wrong I'm a great fan of TB! but if I had one wish it would be to make TB! recognise it's won mail databases more easily. I've had to re-install winxp several times recently which has brought home just how much of a pain the current system is. 1) Point TB! at the mail folder in 'My docs' (because I keep my docs on a seperate drive when I reinstall it's unaffected). 2) Create a stupid test account just so I can get into TB! then delete it (this step may not be necessary but I've always doneit his way). 3) Try and remember the names I'd given for each account I have was it yahoo, yahoo.com, yahoo.co.uk that sort of thing. 4) Try and remember the order in which I like those accounts to display - subconciously I'm used to them being in a given order and reach for them there now. 5) Change the view so that the account tree is tall and reaches top to bottom on the left - just my pref. 6) Go through all accounts checking user names for several accounts I have user names like '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' that bat when it recovers the configs for the folders etc always drops the @domain.com bit which means I have to double check all accounts. 7) all done ... but there really should be something easier. Somewhat baffled by all this ... you're missing Tools | Backup and Tools | Restore which do all this for you (they back up all the accounts' properties and so on into one file which can easily be hived off to CD-R in case of disaster). Unfortunately the test account problem is still present - you have to create a dummy account before you get to the menus and can do the restore. I've put a feature request in to fix this (which is trivially easy!), though. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: complaint: thebat portability
On 03 February 2002 at 16:27 Roman wrote: On Sunday, February 03, 2002, 07:10:07, ::Andrew:: wrote: For those of you familiar with Zoot (www.zootsoftware.com) it's a dream by comparison just point it at your database files and ever configuration you made is instantly available again. Just curious: I went to the web site and didn't quite get the real pupose of that program. What does one use it for? It appears to be one of those mind mapping things, except that the nodes of the map can be made up of any (possibly Web-based) information, not just words you type in yourself. I must say the Web site would be greatly helped by screen shots; although the authors are in information management they're not handling it very well themselves! (As my mind is incapable of being mapped by anything in the normal four dimensions, I keep well away from such packages ;) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Address book
On 04 February 2002 at 9:18 am Headless wrote: If I navigate to an address from the address book with the keyboard and hit enter, the address name edit box pops up, how do I select an address with the keyboard? Hit Alt-Enter. Also, I can't get rid of 2 folders in the address book Trusted root CA and Intermediate CA? (they are re-inserted after a restart) (The following is a very terse description of a complex issue!) This (regeneration) is done because, if these address books were missing, S/MIME encryption and signing of messages would be barely worth the effort. In a nutshell, every message signed or encrypted with S/MIME requires at least two other cryptographic signatures to be present on the recipient's machine; these are hard-wired into the address books you mention. If these address books weren't there the recipient would have to import the other signatures themselves (by a process too complex to describe here); at the moment, this only occasionally happens because the hard-wired signatures cover about 95 per cent of cases. Most peculiar: I had to go back to Batty's main window to find out how to bring up the address book, the message compose window doesn't have a button or a menu entry to bring the address book up. You can either press the small 'file card' button (at the extreme right-hand end of the To: CC: or BCC: fields when the cursor is in it) or, more easily, hit F8. Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/35 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: having one folder structure, pocomail, etc
On 07 February 2002 at 20:41 Rick wrote: I'm a registered user of The Bat!, but being that e-mail programs interest me, I figured I'd check out PocoMail also. I just installed it but one thing came to mind immediately that I'd like to ask the Bat group. Is there a way you can set up multiple accounts to only go to one inbox and related folders? For the most part I like the way The Bat is set up with each account being it's separate entity, but it would also be nice if I could just provide one folder structure for several of my pop accounts to pour into. For example I have about 3 or 4 pop accounts that are not that active. It would be great if I could have one inbox shared for these accounts but when I reply to one of the messages it knows which account it was sent to. This is how PocoMail and Pegasus act by default. I like The Bat's default set up but would like this option as well. I know I could filter all of the mail coming into those accounts into the inbox of another folder, but that seems more like a 'work-around' then really a solution. 'Common filters' is a feature currently missing from TB! which I put on the request list. Unfortunately, up until the 1.54 betas TB!'s architecture is very much one account - one set of folders - one set of filters. Common folders*, I think, are the first step away from this. One can filter to a common folder, but the filter has to be reproduced within each account which is to be filtered. That said, the feature which allows a received message to be sent from any account (by clicking on the received account name in the status bar and selecting the new account from the popup) solves the other half of the problem. Alastair * folders which float independently of any account. -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/38 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: having one folder structure, pocomail, etc
On 07 February 2002 at 21:13 Rick wrote: AS Unfortunately, up until the 1.54 betas TB!'s architecture is very much one account - one set of folders - one set of filters. Common AS folders*, I think, are the first step away from this. One can filter to AS a common folder, but the filter has to be reproduced within each AS account which is to be filtered. By saying up until the 1.54 betas are you saying that in the 1.54 beta you can have multiple accounts empty into one 'inbox' (mailbox) ? Yes, into any common folder (which can be called anything you like :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: threading (or really, unthreading) a folder??
On 08 February 2002 at 11:47 am Dave wrote: Melissa Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - it's one of the things I really appreciate about TB!'s threading options. Each folder I want threaded in a particular way remembers it's individual setting. But to accomplish this I would have to set up the heading columns for each of my several dozen folders individually, a somewhat tedious job. It seems to me a misfeature for TB! to have tied threading to the folder Use account default column settings, such that any change in the threading selection for any one folder with that option ticked results in that threading selection being propogated to all folders so ticked. Or am I missing something? Any enlightenment appreciated. To the best of my incomplete knowledge you're not and, really, rather a lot of TB!'s customisation features are a horrible muddle and need to be rewritten from scratch. (I've never understood the 'use account default column settings' - where are they set? I would expect the defaults to be set in Account Properties and folders which _don't_ take the defaults to have them explicitly set via another tab in right-mouse-button | Properties. I'm afraid that, if things like this don't hit you in the face, they're not worth using). If you think the column settings lack clarity, try 'use folder-specific print settings' - this was explained to me as clearly as it could have been yet is still utterly incomprehensible. I have neither time nor inclination to learn such curious user interface notions ... Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/37 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
On 08 February 2002 at 4:00 pm Jonathan wrote: Use a high end editor (like Multi Edit, Slick Edit, etc) and see if you feel the same way! The number one feature that distinguishes these are _configurability_ (keymapping, toolbar, etc) although TB wouldn't the need extension-specific configuration. TB is actually pretty good, but it would be nice to be able to remap the keyboard - and not just for the editor - so that one doesn't have to remember multiple ways to do the same thing (e.g., reformat paragraph, F5 for search, etc.) I think the problem is that TB!'s editor is deliberately _not_ like other editors in many ways. That doesn't mean that it's wrong, but the ubiquity of Microsoft applications (and copies of the way they do things) exerts enormous hidden pressure to always do things the same way. Something else useful for new users (and old users :) would be a button in Options | Editor Preferences to reset them to the defaults. It is _very easy_ to go away from the defaults and get completely confused ... (This is wish no.492 for those who want to look in the bugtracker). Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/37 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: IMAP4 settings and Exchange Server
On 08 February 2002 at 20:31 Nancy wrote: When I configure the connection to the server, there is only two boxes (user and password). My question is: Is there a way of sending the three different informations into the two boxes ? Aha, this suddenly came to me because my work situation is similar :) It's possible that the configuration should be set as: user name = mailbox\user password = password or mail server = mailbox.walshautomation.com user name = user password = password as I've seen both. However, your system people are going to have to tell you this as there seem to be many (almost random) ways of setting these things up. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Attachments' reminder
On 09 February 2002 at 19:53 Sergey wrote: Hello TBUDL, Sometimes I need to send files. And sometimes they are very big (about 1 meg). And sometimes I forget to zip them before sending. The question is: is it possible in TB! to make a reminder (with macros or regular expressions) so that when I'm trying to send a message with attachment that exceeds, for example 200 kb, it pops up and asks something like wouldn't be better to zip your attachment before sending? You could do it with an Outgoing Mail filter - in the Advanced tab of that there's an option 'Message is larger than ... K Bytes'. Setting ... to 200 would trigger the rest of the filter in the situation described. I think the pop-up box is beyond TB!*, but you could certainly park the message in the Outbox (see 'Park the message' in the Actions tab) and play a suitably annoying sound (same tab at bottom). Alastair * that inspires a feature request; it would be very easy to add a filter option to pop up a box with text defined in the filter. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Future Development
On 10 February 2002 at 08:24 Yuki wrote: Very advanced in what context? What I am asking about actually, I guess, is the often referred to but somewhat phantom version 2. And my comment above is really about release versions, not betas. There hasn't been a new release version, highlighted on the TB home page, since June 19 of last year. I'm not really interested in running a beta, although a beta being developed with DBCS support would probably change my mind very quickly. Version 2, I heard, a long time ago, was supposed to be headed in the direction of DBCS support. I'd like to hear from someone who knows if this is still the case, or even if there is currently development being done on version 2 -- serious development, of course. I wouldn't be surprised if it's dying. E-mail clients are not fantastic money makers in the first place. I'd just like to know the current story. Part of the problem is that TB!'s numbering is too modest - 1.54 is a big upgrade to 1.53. But, at the moment, + 1.54 definitely doesn't include double-byte encoding or Unicode support; + 2.00 has had both of these hinted at, as well as a new filtering system, new editor with HTML writing as well as reading, new user interface, news reading plugin, full IMAP4 folder handling, support for global peace and understanding (only joking about the last one ;) What I don't know is what happens when 1.54 is released; does 2.00 beta 1 instantly appear with all these new features ready for (doubtless protracted) testing? EC If you want to have a TB!Japanese you better get in touch with EC Ritlabs directly. I am not interested in a TB! Japanese. Not in the slightest. What I am interested in is a TB! English that can read Japanese e-mail, and that will let me input Japanese directly into its message editor. I hate to say this . . . but Microsoft is starting to get way ahead of the game here, with their Global Input Method Editor (IME). This allows almost seamless input of Japanese, Chinese, or Korean into English Office documents, or into English Web documents. Of course, it works just fine with Outlook, as well. As far as I can see the IME can work with third-party applications: http://www.eu.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/recommended/ime/default.asp So, in principle, there's no difficulty integrating it into TB. The problem is making the developers see this :( I shall email them privately about this. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - IMAP Folders?`
On 12 February 2002 at 9:58 am Steffen wrote: Hi List! I am looking for a new eMail client and so far TheBat looks nice enough. I have one problem though ... how do I have to configure TheBat to download my folders from the IMAP server including the mails inside the folders? Please don't tell me that TheBat is not supporting the whole IMAP protocol! Unfortunately it doesn't - at the moment it treats IMAP4 like POP3 (only 'seeing' the root folder). Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/37 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - IMAP Folders?`
On 12 February 2002 at 10:16 am Linke wrote: AS Unfortunately it doesn't - at the moment it treats IMAP4 like POP3 AS (only 'seeing' the root folder). Makes me wonder, why I'm able to download my server-rule-sorted mails from various folders ;) Honestly: I guess the Mail Controller/Dispatcher isn't that well documented, but just give it a try. For me it works. Mine definitely won't do this - I've tried many times and all that is ever visible is the Inbox although there are both personal folders and common (company-wide) folders on the server :/ (It may well be undocumented = doesn't work very well so isn't emphasised ... on the [tbbeta] mailing list there've been various discussions in the past about IMAP and TLS/SSL* working, or not working, depending on the server at the far end). Alastair * new in the 1.54 betas. This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SMTP authentication problems with The Bat!
On 14 February 2002 at 18:08 Stuart wrote: And can you tell me how I would get that for The Bat! ? The Log doesn't contain that much info. This was extracted from Eudora.log with the appropriate debug selections made in the ini file. Bizarrely, you can't. One of my feature requests is for TB! to write the unexpurgated logfile somewhere. The sanitised version TB! presents is fine until something really obscure goes wrong ... Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: E-mail message
On 18 February 2002 at 19:32 John wrote: Hello fellow Bat! fans. Is this message from the Bat! mailing list server? [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of VS 28-70 front.jpg] This was received in place of an attachment. It isn't - at least, I can't find it anywhere in my folders (and I don't run anything which cuts off attachments considered to be dodgy). Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: reading aol mail with the bat
On 17 February 2002 at 19:54 Shoebuddy wrote: Sunday, February 17, 2002 at 2:53 PM Hello Everyone, Is it possible to read aol mail with the bat? Yes, but not directly - you need a third-party application which acts as a proxy POP3 email server and puts itself in between TB! (which understands POP3) and AOL (which uses its own protocols). Try: http://www.enetbot.com/ These two are also interesting (and would allow TB! to receive Hotmail, among other Web-based email services), although I haven't tried them myself: http://www.jmasoftware.com/english/products/web2pop/ http://www.cyber-info.com/ Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/39 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Harvest Email Addresses from All Emails?
On 18 February 2002 at 10:09 am Dave wrote: Monday, February 18, 2002, 2:13:18 AM, Qwackmaster wrote: Qwackmaster Is there a way that I can extract all the email addresses out of Qwackmaster received messages in a particular folder? I'm a member of a Music Qwackmaster Email List and I would like to contact everyone who has posted to the Qwackmaster list privately. In order to do this, I'm wondering if there's a way Qwackmaster to extract all the email addresses into a text file or into a separate Qwackmaster folder in my address book? I'd call that SPAM ;-) Indeed - but the only way I can think of to do it is: i. Use Tools | Export Messages | Unix Mailbox (with all messages selected in the folder) to export them as a single text file; ii. Use external programs to hack around that text file. For example, my text editor (TextPad) would allow me to mark every line containing From: with a bookmark, then cut and paste the bookmarked lines only to a second file. A bit of tidying that up would give the list. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Beta Question
On 22 February 2002 at 3:19 pm Joseph wrote: I know this isn't the Beta list, but there are several (many) Beta users here. I use TB! for business and medium-high volume, so it needs to work without a hitch. Still, I am, after all, a closet techno-nerd and can't go too many days without trying out some new piece of s/w. Can someone let me know what the main issues are with the current Beta? In what way is it not quite ready for prime time? There are a lot of small, niggling things; nothing serious by now (although you may have a problem with general protection faults on shutting down, or with slowness of the new HTML viewer, neither cause any lasting harm). Certainly, I've used it for business since about beta 20 without any difficulties. Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Defragmentation of message bases
I noted that the TB! message bases become _horrendously_ fragmented* (hardly a surprise, as they're continuously written to) and have worked out a way of fixing this easily without having to defragment the entire hard disk (NT4, Win2K or WinXP only). The drill is: 1. Download contig.exe (which allows you to defragment single files) from http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/contig.shtml 2. Unpack it and, from a DOS prompt _with TB! closed_, type: contig -s -q C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL\*.* This will grind away and come back to the DOS prompt sooner or later. In my case it produces a considerable speed improvement, particularly in backing up and compressing folders. Alastair * some files had over 400 fragments ... -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows XP and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/42 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Defragmentation of message bases
On 23 February 2002 at 15:38 Jason wrote: Hello Alastair, Saturday, February 23, 2002, 11:12:16 PM, you wrote: AS without having to defragment AS the entire hard disk (NT4, Win2K or WinXP only). so, is there any similar solution for WinME?? Unfortunately not, because contig uses Windows system calls that aren't in 95, 98 or ME. (Unless someone, somewhere, has written a similar application for these flavours of Windows; unlikely and I can't find anything). Alastair PS I note that, on defragmenting, opening TB!, receiving _one_ email message, compressing, exiting TB! and defragmenting again, 5 out of 199 files in the MAIL directory and below are found to be fragmented on my (XP) system. That's a lot :( -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Smart Bat!
On 24 February 2002 at 03:21 Stuart wrote: It looks to me like a little memo/notepad or daily journal app. TheBat has always had some of the features of a PIM and this is just one more. :-) It is, and it's strangely useful (I first thought 'oh dear, another bell and whistle' but, as a sort of permanent Clipboard, it comes in handy when developing macros). Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: does anyone have the secure bat? and can you tell me something about it's features
On 18 February 2002 at 08:05 David wrote: On 17 February 2002 at 14:58:02 -0600 (which was 20:58 where I live) yahoo 1 wrote I have seen the webpage for secure bat i was wondering if someone actually paid that huge amount for secure bat and was wondering if the money is actually worth it. Depends wether you think that it is worth it? My office is my lap top. I don't want any one to get access to my mail. Any positive or negative comments about secure bat is appreciated (1) Don't forget to take your iKey with you. (2) I have found it slightly slower than The Bat! but then it does have to decrypt the mail base . I put up a feature request that the .TBB (message base) files are, by default, encrypted (using a simple algorithm; something powerful but slow isn't what's needed); at the moment they are effectively in plain text. That, plus the existing startup password, would provide good enough security for most people, I think, without the cast-iron SmartBat! On encrypting chunks of the hard disk: there are two classic applications. I used the first in an earlier incarnation, and it worked brilliantly; it is also reasonably cheap. http://www.drivecrypt.com/ http://www.controlbreak.co.uk/products/safeboot.html Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Filter incoming mail from text file
On 26/02/02 at 16:21 John Chivers wrote: Hello , Does anyone know how to use signal strings from a file to filter incoming mail (rather than selective download)? This option seems to be available only for selective download. This isn't possible. It should be, especially given this gem: http://www.gaznet.au.com/spam/ (The Outlook anti-spam filter, miraculously given Microsoft's love of proprietary formats, uses a plain text file for its signal strings). Now, if _domains_ as well as individual addresses could be added (eg '*.com.tw'), we'd have a winner :) I think I'll turn this into a feature request. Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
