date:20180324

Prescott,

I am unable to help solve this but thanks for the heads up for us all. 

I expect however if you look at tiddlywiki.com alternative savers you should 
find a work around until some of the key developers look into it. 

Please try saving empty.html and more than one wiki and let this forum know the 
details.

Best wishes
Tony

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[tw] Re: Can't Save TiddlyWiki 5 on Chrome 65/Windows 10

2018-03-24 Thread Norman Gross


I am seeing the same thing on Mac and Linux.  Both are Chrome 65.  On both 
systems, a new tab is opened up with the blob:null/

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:28:09 PM UTC-7, Prescott Indigo wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why, but as of today Google Chrome isn't letting me save 
> TiddlyWiki locally. When I click the Save Changes icon, it wants to open a 
> new tab with an address like "blob:null/f68bac16-8632- ..." which puts me 
> back at the logon screen. I'm using Windows 10 and Chrome 65.0.3325.181.
>
> Anyone else have this problem? Or a workaround?
>
> Prescott
>
>

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[tw] Re: Possible? Buttons to hide/show activate/deactivate some things on Wiki

2018-03-24 Thread 'Surya' via TiddlyWiki



> I have a menu from your MyMenus with multiple actions / buttons in it 
> (f.e. the "home"-button, the search-field, the button for the advanced 
> search, the button to close all tiddlers, and some more).
> And there I have also the button for the control panel ("Open the 
> ControlPanel"). This button I also want to show/hide in this 
> multiple-actions-menu by checking/unchecking such a checkbox. How can I do 
> this?


Now I managed that too with
<$checkbox tiddler="Mehrfach-Aktionen Menu für die Sidebar" 
field="menu-item-5" checked="{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/control-panel}}" 
unchecked=" " default=" "> "Control-Panel" im Mehrfach-Aktionen-Menu der 
TopRightBar anzeigen

:-)

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[tw] Re: Possible? Buttons to hide/show activate/deactivate some things on Wiki

2018-03-24 Thread 'Surya' via TiddlyWiki

Hello,

thanks for your suggestions! With both of them I already managed to 
show/hide
one menu of the MyMenus with
<$checkbox tiddler="Tiddlerfoot Menu" tag="$:/tags/mymenusfooter"> Show 
"Actions-Menu" in Tiddlerfoot

and the MoreSideBar ($:/core/ui/SideBar/More) with
<$checkbox tiddler="$:/core/ui/SideBar/More" tag="$:/tags/SideBar"> Show 
"MoreSideBar"

and the SideEditor in the tiddler toolbar with
<$checkbox 
tiddler="$:/config/ViewToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Button"
 
field="text" checked="show" unchecked="hide" default="hide"> 
Zeige{{$:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/Button!!caption}} button in Tiddlerview

and some other of the buttons in the tiddler toolbar. For example, the 
delete-button with
<$checkbox 
tiddler="$:/config/ViewToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/delete" 
field="text" checked="show" unchecked="hide" default="hide"> Show 
{{$:/core/images/delete-button}} Delete-Button in Tiddlerview


Hiding specific tagged tiddlers I managed also by putting them into the 
MoreSideBar with this specific tag.



*The rest I don't know how to manage:*

@Tony: The 
<$checkbox tiddler="$:/config/Plugins/Disabled/$:/plugins/tobibeer/preview" 
field="text" checked="yes" unchecked="no" default="no"> Disable 
Preview?
to toggle the "preview tiddler-links" does not work...


Probably also @Tony:
I have a menu from your MyMenus with multiple actions / buttons in it (f.e. 
the "home"-button, the search-field, the button for the advanced search, 
the button to close all tiddlers, and some more).
And there I have also the button for the control panel ("Open the 
ControlPanel"). This button I also want to show/hide in this 
multiple-actions-menu by checking/unchecking such a checkbox. How can I do 
this?
I tried it with
<$checkbox tiddler="Multiple-Actions Menu for Sidebar" 
menu-item-5="{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/control-panel}}"> Show 
"Control-Panel" in Multiple-Actions Menu for Sidebar
but it does not work.


@Mat & Tony & all:


*And for last:How to combine all (except the preview plugin) into only ONE 
checkbox?*
Thanks, Surya

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[tw] an open source version of the tiddlyspot server

2018-03-24 Thread Jan


Hello
I just discovered this https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck 
amazing version of tiddlyspot...which is in deed working on servers also 
for TW5.


One single regret is that it obviously was created before the shift to 
TW5 why one interesting feature I discoverd in this distribution just 
works or seems to work for Twclassic.
There is an UploadTiddlerPlugin in the Template wiki and a 
storeTiddler.php.


UploadTiddler
BidiX ,13 September 2008(created22 February 2008)

 * tags:
 * News 
 * toRSS 
 * Upload 
 * Doc 

UploadTiddlerPlugin andstoreTiddler.php 
"upload" or "save to web" a single tiddler by updating, 
inserting or deleting a single tiddler in aTiddlyWiki file 
located on the web.


NowUploadTiddlerPlugin is able toUploada Tiddler even 
ifTiddlyWiki is located on a local file.



It would be great to have something like that could save single Tiddlers 
to a folder in the wikis directory...or to a sort of "IncomingTW" which 
shows you the uploaded Tiddlers and allws  to drag them over after they 
were checked them.


Cheers Jan








Amazing Rob changed his github name from brimstone4814 to his real 
name (well, his real name is "Amazing Rob", but he's gone with 
RobertPyke in this case).  So what's at 
https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck is the most recent state of 
the tiddly-speck project.


Even if it's working, though, it may not have features you want.  If 
you want to clone it and have a go at finishing it off, that's 
completely okay with us...


Cheers
Daniel

On 21 August 2015 at 22:19, Atul Grover > wrote:


Hi Daniel,

Does the code at

https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck

works. There is 'page not found' at

http://github.com/brimstone4814/tiddly-speck/tree/master



Regards
Atul




On Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 5:28:01 PM UTC+5:30, Daniel
Baird wrote:

Hi all,

I've got an announcement, some rhetorical questions, and a
couple of
REAL questions I'd love to hear answers to.  If you get bored,
please
scroll to the end where I ask 'em.

The Announcement:


Imagine if you could just download and unzip some PHP files, and
instantly have a tiddlyspot-type server running behind your
corporate
firewall, on your school server, or just on the Mac Mini in
the back
of your broom cupboard.

That's the goal of a new project that we kicked off a couple
of weeks ago.

I've tried to anticipate some questions below...

Q> What's tiddlyspot anyway?

Simon and I have run a free TiddlyWiki host at tiddlyspot.com
 for
several years.  Tiddlyspot makes it really easy to create and save
TiddlyWikis to the web, using BidiX's UploadPlugin and a
smattering of
sweet, sweet Ruby goodness.  Try it out at
http://tiddlyspot.com if
you want to see how it works.

Q> *We* kicked off a project?  Who's *we*?

Well, Simon and I have wanted to clean up and open source
tiddlyspot's
server code for a while, but haven't really had time.  Then
recently
friend and colleague Robert (known locally as The Amazing Rob)
mentioned that he was looking for an open source project to
get into.
Sha-bam!

Q> Why PHP?

Much as we love Ruby, we figure it's still a little dicey
getting Ruby
code to work on free and low cost web hosts. PHP on the other hand
seems to be supported everywhere, and it's a major goal to
make the
thing install and run with a minimum of messing about.  So PHP
it is.

Q> Easy-to-deploy huh.  Any other "major" goals?

- Easy to deploy.  Ideally setup-free -- unzip, then browse there.
- Easy to understand.  TW goes in, TW goes out. I'd love to
fix the
simultaneous edit problem, that's pretty confusing.  Might be
out of
scope here though :)
- Easy to create sites.  Like tiddlyspot, or better.  Plus
support for
uploading an existing TW.
- Easy to enhance.  We imagine fancy backup arrangements,
printable
PDFs for your GTD lists, etc. might all exist as things you
can just
dump into the addon directory.
- I can't think of any more, but we'll keep you posted...

Q> What stage is it at?

Early.  Robert has the basic site creation and hosting
working.  Still
to come is the selection of site flavour, theming & branding,
getting
UploadTiddler working and tested, site and server control panels,
fancy backups, and whatever othe

[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

A great advantage of assembling TW as packaged app is that, especially when 
the surface renderer is wrapped within it (e.g. TiddlyDesktop), is you can 
be surer it will work as you expect.

Say you get a TW working really well. That works well in TiddlyDesktop. Why 
not just wrap it into TiddlyDesktop and leave it there for a few years? Why 
bother with updateitis once you have a functioning good product?

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Mark & Mat

I think the issue, at root, was more about "A web page is just a document" 
it is "NOT YET software". So your analogies are right but your conclusion 
misses that TW (html document) needs enfolding in a "runner" (executable) 
in order to be realised (application). In the same way that .docx needs 
Word to be. PortableApps is not a web-page host.

With recent developments in TW its become easier to create self-contained 
applications (i.e. encapsulated runnable software). These are TW wrapped 
into runners. TiddlyDesktop, getting better all the time, is I think the 
one that most looks like "software".

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 18:01:52 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I don't get that. Isn't "Personal Wiki" specific enough? Otherwise you 
> should only have word processors that only do resumes, spreadsheets that 
> only do taxes, MP3 players that only play classics, browsers that only 
> visit Google, etc.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 2:38:57 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Regarding Portableapps - which I don't think was commented on in this 
>> thread but in some other threads, but it seems relevant here:
>>
>> People should know I proposed  TW 
>> for Portable apps in their forum several years ago. The reply was basically 
>> that they only wanted apps that had specific purposes. So, if anyone 
>> considers proposing it for their suite, it is actually better to propose 
>> "TW editions", i.e customized TWs for specific applications.
>>
>> Just sayin.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

In theory yes, the wsserver command lets you serve images and other files
that can be included in the wiki. Because of by how much trouble I have had
making good documentation for the other features I haven't publicised that
part yet.

The quick version is you add a key filePathRoot to the settings and give
the path to a folder you want accessible to the server. Then inside the
wikis you can access them you use the url localhost:8080/file/path/to/file
to access the external files in the wiki.

Very quick example:

in the url /path/to/file starts at the place listed as filePathRoot, so if
you set /home/inmysocks/Wikis as the root and wanted to access the file
with the path /home/inmysocks/Wikis/foo/bar.jpg you would use the url
localhost:8080/file/foo/bar.jpg

A note:

Right now you can only set one root for served files. Anything below the
listed root can be served and are accessible to anyone who can access the
wiki. This can be dangerous if you set the wrong path and make it
accessible to other people.

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

In my experience Three.js is easier to use than d3.js. Someone made a 
plugin for three.js but it would also need to be updated.

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

2018-03-24 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Just curious. Will this version serve up external images like tiddly server 
does?

-- Mark 

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 1:18:44 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I updated the stand-alone executables so they use the file location as the 
> basis for relative paths now. I was able to put the three executables (for 
> windows, linux and osx) on a thumb drive and then make a wiki on my linux 
> desktop, then plug it into the MacBook and use the same wiki there and then 
> I got a friend to bring over a windows laptop and it worked on there as 
> well. There may be errors but the quick test worked.
>
> All of the folders should be relative to the location of the file. The 
> main wiki will be made in a folder called IndexWiki in the same folder as 
> the executable and the others will be added inside a folder called Wikis in 
> the same place.
>
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

2018-03-24 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

I don't get that. Isn't "Personal Wiki" specific enough? Otherwise you 
should only have word processors that only do resumes, spreadsheets that 
only do taxes, MP3 players that only play classics, browsers that only 
visit Google, etc.

-- Mark

On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 2:38:57 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Regarding Portableapps - which I don't think was commented on in this 
> thread but in some other threads, but it seems relevant here:
>
> People should know I proposed  TW 
> for Portable apps in their forum several years ago. The reply was basically 
> that they only wanted apps that had specific purposes. So, if anyone 
> considers proposing it for their suite, it is actually better to propose 
> "TW editions", i.e customized TWs for specific applications.
>
> Just sayin.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Insert GitHub Gist

2018-03-24 Thread Mat

put it inside triple backticks


```
code
```

<:-)

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[tw] Insert GitHub Gist

2018-03-24 Thread Jose Avalos

I tried to embed my code in my TW but it don't show it. 

https://gist.github.com/JoseAvalos/6e85fb75b4b661d6fd3c8acb66861f43.js";>

I know there are some restriction due to script. What is the close solution 
to insert it?



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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

Node console messaging is full of stuff like ...

*Death is immanent*.
Your current incarnation has been successfully saved.

For a normal user its a bit scary. AND confusing. Its saying one line that 
its not saving. The next line its saved.

I think the issue is partly about the purpose as well as the language. 

If you using this for development work it makes sense to have a console 
visible. But if you using it just to run TW and its setup right I'm not 
sure you need to see the console at all. 

This was raised in another thread and a possible solution offered, about 
not showing the "terminal", from here on: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/I3naFCl37kc/lCt8JTYrBAAJ 


I did suggest, at minimal, that the terminal windows could start at say 
something like ... 

" -- DON'T CLOSE THIS WINDOW UNTIL DONE --
 It is running TiddlyWiki in your browser"

Josiah

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

2018-03-24 Thread Silverfox

I'm currently learning to build some other D3 widgets than the cloud and 
the bar, but as my skills are limited and there is no documentation, i do 
it mainly through trial and errors ...it takes time, but I think I can do 
it.
I'll publish my results when the results will be good enough.

But, for me, updating D3 to V5 looks much more scary, I don't feel I can do 
it at all...

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

2018-03-24 Thread Mat

On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 12:45:02 AM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> That is everything working. All the things failing is just it saying that 
> the default wiki doesn't exist yet so it creates one. I should change what 
> all the messages say to something less dire sounding. The next time you 
> start it it should find all the configuration files and it will say it is 
> loading them.
>

OK, so I shut down the tab and the nodejs window and restarted. Now I get:

NodeSettings - Failed to load settings file.
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
NodeSettings - Failed to load settings file.
NodeSettings - Parsed raw settings.
ws-server - Failed to load settings file.
Websockets listening on  8081
Serving on 127.0.0.1:8080
(press ctrl-C to exit)
 syncer-server-WebsocketAdaptor: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
new connection

Maybe the failures is because I have not made any settings... and therefore 
don't have a settings file?

Some further notes:

For someone not used to nodejs it would be nice to read somewhere that the 
nodejs window (or whatever it is called) is supposed to be opened when 
running the file... and if it should (i.e must) remain open while using the 
wiki.

In the Hello tiddler, there are instructions to set the host to 0.0.0.0 
...but further down there seem to be a button that would do this 
automatically if clicked. If the button in deed does this, I suggest it is 
moved to earlier in the text and have the hands-on description mentioned 
only as a link to as a separate tiddler.

The wiki server ip address and port seen - are they specific for my 
computer and lan? I.e do other people have different numbers there? 

...and does knowing those digits enable me to access the wiki from other 
computers on other networks? (assuming my computer is on... and, I guess, 
is running the TW). Or what would be required for this to work?

If some of my questions are FAQ then it might be useful to answer them in 
the docs rather than here.

Thanks Jed!!!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Mat and all

Regarding PortableApps.com

... first off I'm not sure everyone knows that a PortableApps.com portable 
application is NOT the same as most "portable applications" (which are 
mainly "portable enough" but can still leave residue on the host). PA.c 
requires not just proven portability but conversion to the PortableApps.com 
system to qualify fully (they never leave residue).

For OUR purposes I'm not sure its needed to go so far. Also, judging here 
on GG, we have a very high number of NON-Windows users. So WHO, would it be 
for, it being dominantly for Windows?

Regarding PortableApps.com response they "only wanted apps that had 
specific purposes". Dead right. An app. that does everything is not gonna 
work there. BUT a wrapped TW inside a "runner" like you can do in 
TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyServer ot TiddlyWiki Multi-User could...

To take an example: Say Thomas wrapped his ToDoNow TW into a self contained 
"runner"? Well THAT could be a PortableApp.com app.  as "TiddlyOrganiser". 
The point is to promote apps for specific purposes. You don't have to 
expose folk to the full fright of TW to get people using it for de-limited 
purposes.

Please NOTE that the excellent PortableApps.com menuing system on Windows 
allows ANY executable to be included. I activate all my main TW from it...

*In short, many ways of running TW could be easily made portable and wrap 
TW into them as specific "apps" so they appear like ONE application and be 
advertised as such.*

Josiah

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 10:38:57 UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> Regarding Portableapps - which I don't think was commented on in this 
> thread but in some other threads, but it seems relevant here:
>
> People should know I proposed  TW 
> for Portable apps in their forum several years ago. The reply was basically 
> that they only wanted apps that had specific purposes. So, if anyone 
> considers proposing it for their suite, it is actually better to propose 
> "TW editions", i.e customized TWs for specific applications.
>
> Just sayin.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

That is interesting ...

For Windows usage IF you made a system that kept running after terminal 
termination it could be a piece of a "user-friendly" approach. 

I'm talking here only about thoroughly debugged node (& relatives) based 
runners of TW. But for that it could bring things closer to seamless 
integration for ordinary users? Do you ever need to see a console in a 
self-contained install?

Josiah

BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> As I'm a fan of pm2  - one can use it to start 
> the single executable and close the terminal afterwards, pm2 keeps it 
> running
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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

2018-03-24 Thread BurningTreeC



> D3 (now in v4) is a great bit of gear. The TW plugin is really currently 
> only a proof of concept.
>

now in v5 
 

>
> Personally I'd use it extensively to make Word Clouds IF it were as bit 
> easier to integrate into TiddlyWiki. To achieve that we need someone tech. 
> happy to do the needed work. Especially methods to assemble Data to feed to 
> it in an appropriate format.
>
> the current plugin as you mentioned comes with two widgets which are just 
demonstrations

updating d3js to v5 is the easy part

the cloudwidget and barwidget need work to be compatible
some sensible widgets should be created that accept tiddlywiki filters for 
visually showing data and connections


if we can make the two existing widgets work with the newest d3 or if we 
create two widgets that work better in the tw context, I think we can make 
that PR

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

TonyM, regarding HTA

Maybe it still has a role for certain types of apps?

The problem is, as far as I know, is that is its an abandoned approach. 
Docs at Microsoft indicate that it supported for legacy reasons in Internet 
Explorer 11 (using code from Explorer 8).

I think practically its too far, now, from universal working to be widely 
viable.

Josiah 


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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

D3 (now in v4) is a great bit of gear. The TW plugin is really currently 
only a proof of concept.

Personally I'd use it extensively to make Word Clouds IF it were as bit 
easier to integrate into TiddlyWiki. To achieve that we need someone tech. 
happy to do the needed work. Especially methods to assemble Data to feed to 
it in an appropriate format.

Best wishes
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

Jed, FYI, I wrote on Twitter this note ...

Under active refinement is @MaybeJed's #MultiUser #TiddlyWiki system ... 
Its extremely good. It can be made #portable. Its very flexible. Supports 
all main OS. 

Please visit and comment.

discussion: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/X6R3Nunh_KU

releases: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

Jed,

I only coded tiddlywiki.info because i thought you were saying to do so. Dont 
bother coding for that exception. It makes sence to point at the folder and not 
add the standard filename to the path. It is redundant info.

Thanks for this great solution.
Tony

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

2018-03-24 Thread BurningTreeC

Hi @Silverfox

D3 seems to be easy to update

this is the repository where the source code is:

https://github.com/d3/d3

under "releases" there's the latest versio 5.0.0 to download

this is the tiddlywiki repository

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5

and here's the d3 tiddlywiki plugin:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/d3/files


we could create a so-called "Pull request", updating the plugin with the 
latest version 5.0.0
and checking if the "cloudwidget" and "barwidget" need adjustments

Simon

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[tw] will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

2018-03-24 Thread Silverfox

Hello, 

I discovered TiddlyWiki few months ago and really enjoy it.
I enjoy it so much that, even f I did not program anything for around 20 
years, I'd like to code again to realize an idea based on data 
visualization.

For that I started to use the D3JS official plugin, but I recently realized 
it is based on former V3.x version while V4.x is now the official D3JS one 
with nice new features I would like to use.

My skills are clearly limited... do you think the D3JS plugin will be 
updated for V4.x ? 
Is it complex to do ? Are there some recommendations / tutorial somewhere ?

Thank you for your help 


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

I am glad you got it working, I am not sure why it isn't working outside 
the Wikis folder. As I mentioned before, there is some strange interaction 
between the pseudo-filesystem inside the packaged application and the real 
file system so these problems often don't show up when running it normally 
which makes it hard to debug. I expect that the next week is going to be 
full of digging up unexpected errors.

As a note for the future, you want the path without the tiddlywiki.info 
part on it. I will add an issue to make it accept either version, but for 
now you don't want to have tiddlywiki.info at the end.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

Confirmed Moving psat.com.au below Wikis and adding the 
path .\Wikis\psat.com.au works at http://127.0.0.1:8084/psat.com.au

Now all I need is the ability to code relative or absolute paths.

Looking good!

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 21:25:04 UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Thanks Jed,
>
> The Editions suddenly appeared, I rebooted after some strange behaviour, 
> such as loosing r-click and paste. Create from empty worked well. Where are 
> the editions sourced from in the exe or over the internet?
>
> However using C:\\Data\\TW5\\NodeJS\\psat.com.au\\tiddlywiki.info 
> or C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info is not working, when I 
> select the available wikis tab, it is there however the wiki trys to open 
> but the tiddlywin.exe window closes
>
> I am running tiddlyWin.exe from C:\Data\TW5\TiddlyWIkiMU
>
> I used a Relative path ..\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info 
>
> However we can see from the console the following routes added, which 
> clearly suggests the path is considered below .\Wikis\test as in the case 
> for my test wiki (from Empty)
>
> Console message on update routes
> Added route /^\/psat.com.au\/?$/
> Added route /^\/test\/?$/
>
>
> I see how the section Wikis is part of the assumed path
>
> I used a Relative path ..\..\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info to lift 
> the relative path out of wikis folder.
>
> With the same result
>
>
> I will try a few more things and let you know if I learn something that 
> will help you see whats happening.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 24 March 2018 20:14:04 UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> When you say you have a nodejs install do you mean the node executable or 
>> to the tiddlywiki code?
>> The paths have to be to the tiddlywiki.info files. The path to the 
>> tiddlywiki.info file should be C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au\
>> tiddlywiki.info if you use the path C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au for 
>> the wiki.
>>
>> My quick test on windows let me use both relative and absolute paths, but 
>> I forgot to both update the settings file and the paths the first time I 
>> tried and it didn't work. Make sure you are clicking the buttons to update 
>> them.
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

Thanks Jed,

The Editions suddenly appeared, I rebooted after some strange behaviour, 
such as loosing r-click and paste. Create from empty worked well. Where are 
the editions sourced from in the exe or over the internet?

However using C:\\Data\\TW5\\NodeJS\\psat.com.au\\tiddlywiki.info 
or C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info is not working, when I 
select the available wikis tab, it is there however the wiki trys to open 
but the tiddlywin.exe window closes

I am running tiddlyWin.exe from C:\Data\TW5\TiddlyWIkiMU

I used a Relative path ..\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info 

However we can see from the console the following routes added, which 
clearly suggests the path is considered below .\Wikis\test as in the case 
for my test wiki (from Empty)

Console message on update routes
Added route /^\/psat.com.au\/?$/
Added route /^\/test\/?$/


I see how the section Wikis is part of the assumed path

I used a Relative path ..\..\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info to lift the 
relative path out of wikis folder.

With the same result


I will try a few more things and let you know if I learn something that 
will help you see whats happening.



Thanks
Tony




On Saturday, 24 March 2018 20:14:04 UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> When you say you have a nodejs install do you mean the node executable or 
> to the tiddlywiki code?
> The paths have to be to the tiddlywiki.info files. The path to the 
> tiddlywiki.info file should be C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au\
> tiddlywiki.info if you use the path C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au for 
> the wiki.
>
> My quick test on windows let me use both relative and absolute paths, but 
> I forgot to both update the settings file and the paths the first time I 
> tried and it didn't work. Make sure you are clicking the buttons to update 
> them.
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

I wonder if TiddlyServer or TiddlyDesktop could fit this especially when 
new TiddlyWikis can be created from within them.

The specific Purpose is making tiddlywikis?

The Same could be said for HTML editors etc... Perhaps under Development

However if someone packages something perhaps with a dedicate wiki eg; I am 
building one for building a list of "Advantages and Disadvantages" with a 
standard filename eg index.html then we could share the portableapps build 
info and build new portable apps by simply replacing the index.html with a 
new filebased tiddlywiki ?

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 20:38:57 UTC+11, Mat wrote:
>
> Regarding Portableapps - which I don't think was commented on in this 
> thread but in some other threads, but it seems relevant here:
>
> People should know I proposed  TW 
> for Portable apps in their forum several years ago. The reply was basically 
> that they only wanted apps that had specific purposes. So, if anyone 
> considers proposing it for their suite, it is actually better to propose 
> "TW editions", i.e customized TWs for specific applications.
>
> Just sayin.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

2018-03-24 Thread Mat

Regarding Portableapps - which I don't think was commented on in this 
thread but in some other threads, but it seems relevant here:

People should know I proposed  TW for 
Portable apps in their forum several years ago. The reply was basically 
that they only wanted apps that had specific purposes. So, if anyone 
considers proposing it for their suite, it is actually better to propose 
"TW editions", i.e customized TWs for specific applications.

Just sayin.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

When you say you have a nodejs install do you mean the node executable or 
to the tiddlywiki code?
The paths have to be to the tiddlywiki.info files. The path to the 
tiddlywiki.info file should be C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au\tiddlywiki.info 
if you use the path C:\Data\TW5\NodeJS\psat.com.au for the wiki.

My quick test on windows let me use both relative and absolute paths, but I 
forgot to both update the settings file and the paths the first time I 
tried and it didn't work. Make sure you are clicking the buttons to update 
them.

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

Folks,

I just wanted to add the HTA version of Tiddlywiki has some limitations, 
However being able to download load it is only a matter of saving the 
current tiddlywiki with a hta extension rather than a html extension. This 
would save the extra step of uploading a renamed version to the host and 
providing a link to it (to download).

Is it possible to create a button to download (the Current TiddlyWiki) as a 
HTA file?

This of course may make sense in the core, if not a simple plugin.

Regards
Tony


On Saturday, 24 March 2018 11:29:44 UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> I love to hear all this talk, I am looking for the same holly-grail.
>
> Here are some additions to the discussion.
>
> TiddleyMultiUser single executable (Jeds is brilliant, and with the 
> improvements mentioned hear is very cool) this is even before I have 
> exploited the MultiUser features)
>As jed points out you can have it running in more than one tab or 
> browser safely, but another advantage is you can spawn multiple sessions 
> against the one wiki, to have multiple views of the same wiki
>   A lot more will follow
> TiddlyServer latest version allows folder wiki creation in the browser
>   All it needs for single file wikis is to have the upload file make 
> copies not overwrite, and point to a nominated list of editions
> A possible much neglected solution of Windows (other platform?) is 
> renaming a single file wiki to .hta hypertext application
>   I am also working on renaming a singlefile wiki to *.aspx to use on 
> sharepoint (Tip save in WebPages library)
> NoteSelf is also very powerful allowing hosted solutions with data saved 
> in each users browser. 
>   Wikis can subsequently be saved or have user updated plugins exported.
>   On thought is to allow user updates to be emailed as a json file from 
> the noteself wiki as a submission process, to be imported into a 
> consolidated wiki.
>
> These are exciting times, and my not fully articulated dreams are coming 
> true as new possibilities multiply, no increase exponentially.
>
> Next? Members of the community collaborating to provide services even 
> income on top of the open platform.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, 23 March 2018 23:34:18 UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> One of the upsides of the emergence of so many well thought through 
>> responses to the Firefox Apocalypse is we are closer to being able to 
>> deliver TW in "packages" that resemble the installation of normal 
>> applications.
>>
>> This is something I'd like to explore more. In particular ...
>>
>> 1 -- What further steps are needed to, say, wrap TiddlyServer or 
>> TiddlyDesktop into auto-installers ...
>>
>> 2 -- ... such that on first-click after install you are already ready to 
>> create inside a fully functioning application? (NOT an application that is 
>> about setting-up applications). 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Single executable version of multi-user tiddlywiki, release candidate

If the list of editions is empty than that is a bug I haven't run into yet.
To be sure, when you go to the $:/ControlPanel -> Node Settings tab ->
Available Wikis tab and then the click on the select widget the list of
available editions is empty? The editions listed are listed directly in the
tiddler, if the selection is empty than you have a modified version
somehow. All the editions are packaged with the executable, the idea is for
this part to be fully self-contained.

The list below that is the list of wikis it is currently serving, so it
would be empty if you haven't made any yet. When you use the new executable
in the same place and the old one than it would open up the same IndexWiki
you were using before so any settings would be preserved because it is the
same wiki in the same way as updating node wouldn't change the wiki you use
on it.

If you are on windows you should use the windows path separators '\', but
the paths may have to be relative to where you have the executable.

For the moment this only supports node wikis, the multi-user part can't
work on the single file version directly. My plan is to make a seamless way
to add a single file wiki and edit it and then create a new single file
wiki afterward but we aren't there yet.

If what you listed in your post is all that is being output in the terminal
than there is something else going on, it should say 'Serving on
0.0.0.0:8084' and then open up in a browser automatically.

I am going to try and test on windows again to see if I can answer any of
your questions, but it has been over a decade since I used windows so I am
not sure how much help I can be here.

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[tw] Re: discussing a tiddler

See my recent post, in 
DIscussion https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/X6R3Nunh_KU

Reproduced here

I love to hear all this talk, I am looking for the same holly-grail. [Easy 
save and use of TiddlyWiki]

Here are some additions to the discussion.

TiddleyMultiUser single executable (Jeds is brilliant, and with the 
improvements mentioned hear is very cool) this is even before I have 
exploited the MultiUser features)
   As jed points out you can have it running in more than one tab or 
browser safely, but another advantage is you can spawn multiple sessions 
against the one wiki, to have multiple views of the same wiki
  A lot more will follow
TiddlyServer latest version allows folder wiki creation in the browser
  All it needs for single file wikis is to have the upload file make copies 
not overwrite, and point to a nominated list of editions
A possible much neglected solution for Windows (other platform?) is 
renaming a single file wiki to .hta hypertext application
  I am also working on renaming a singlefile wiki to *.aspx to use on 
sharepoint (Tip save in WebPages library)
NoteSelf is also very powerful allowing hosted solutions with data saved in 
each users browser. 
  Wikis can subsequently be saved or have user updated plugins exported.
  On thought is to allow user updates to be emailed as a json file from the 
noteself wiki as a submission process, to be imported into a consolidated 
wiki.

These are exciting times, and my not fully articulated dreams are coming 
true as new possibilities multiply, no increase exponentially.

Next? Members of the community collaborating to provide services even 
income on top of the open platform.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 10:52:18 UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Supporting Josiahs Post
>
> "Yes. AND having ONE solution that works universally IMO is absolutely 
> essential for wider uptake"
>
> I would restate s
> Yes. AND having ONE RELIABLE solution that works universally IMO is 
> absolutely essential for wider uptake.
>
> This in no way takes away from anyother solution. As Jeremy intimated such 
> Cloud Wikis could be saved as single file wikis.
>
> The problems?, I have considered a number of use cases to provide 
> accessible and rapid access tools via tiddlywiki, I have looked at every 
> save solution I can, even considered ways to co-opt some of these towards 
> my desired outcomes and every solution falls down in some way. The key 
> reasons are multi-user and saving/hosting.
>
> Global access to Tiddlywikis, optionally secured, with online update 
> (multiuser even if serial), in browser saves, and/or shared edits, easy to 
> own or fork (download), easy to accept comments (otherwise Read Only), low 
> cost hosting.
> .
>
> All this is there in some way or other but not available as solutions, as 
> there are too many exceptions.
>
> I am building a features table tool in TiddlyWiki right now to help me 
> understand the TiddlyWiki save, access and Hosting ecosystems and detect 
> when I may be able to implement real, public and commercial solutions on 
> top of TiddlyWiki.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:06:49 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> About 'one way' to use tiddlywiki being desirable,
>>
>> One method of doing something is never going to work for everybody. Many 
>> of the largest problems with technology come from people in positions of 
>> authority insisting on that approach. Privacy on social media is a problem 
>> because people expect there to be one single solution and give that all the 
>> power. A cloud based solution may be ideal for you but it would be unusable 
>> for me. I am often in a position where I don't have any access to the 
>> internet. Having one solution is a great way to have one way that works for 
>> people it works for and excludes everyone else. You don't hear complaints 
>> about facebook on facebook because the people who it is made for use it for 
>> everything and never hear the people who have trouble with it because the 
>> 'one universal' solution isn't universal. If we do the same thing with 
>> tiddlywiki than the people who can use it may have a slightly better 
>> experience, but it would just exclude everyone who can't use that 'one way' 
>> instead of letting people decide on how they want to use it.
>>
>>

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