date:20191211

Search operator https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#search%20Operator
has flag list, field list and operand! I want to have a list widget and 
search through some tiddlers grammatically!
so everything is a variable!


field: transcluded from temp/search/field
term: transcluded from temp/search/term
flag:  transcluded from temp/search/flag


so for example

\define field()  temp/search/field
\define term() temp/search/term
\define flag()  temp/search/flag
\define searchTerm() {{$(term)$!!text}}

<$list filter="[tag[xx]search:{$(field)$}:{$(flag)$}[$(searchTerm)$]]">





no success, I know something wrong with variables

Any idea?

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Unexpected behavior with savetitle in action-createtiddler widget and set widget.

Thanks Eric! This is a very clever solution and it will work perfectly for 
me.
Much appreciated,
Alan


On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 10:51:32 PM UTC-6, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 8:12:49 PM UTC-8, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>>
>> Mark, there is no issue with the action widgets. In fact try this in the 
>> above code: replace the value in the set widget with "some static text". 
>> Everything works as expected. That is, the setfield action sets the text  
>> of the new tiddler to <> then navigates to it, 
>> then deletes the temp tiddler. The issue appears to be with the set widget. 
>> It is as if the set widget is parsed prior to any action widgets regardless 
>> of its location inside the button.
>>
>
> Button actions can be subtle, especially when you are depending upon 
> intermediate results *during* the processing of the actions.
>
> Fortunately, there IS a solution to your problem:
>
> You can get the results you want if you split the button processing into 
> two parts:
> (1) create the new tiddler, and
> (2) set the contents, show the tiddler, and cleanup the temp
>
> Part(1) of the processing is in the body of the $button widget.
> Part(2) of the processing is done using the $button widget's "actions" 
> param.
>
> Although Part(1) is not invoked until the button is pressed, it is 
> *parsed* when the $button widget is rendered.
> However, because Part(2) is done via a separate "actions" param, it is not 
> even *parsed* until the button is actually pressed.
> As a result, Part(1) processing is completed before Part(2) is parsed AND 
> invoked.
> This allows Part(2) to use the contents of $:/temp/title that were set 
> during Part (1).
>
> Give this a try:
> \define newTableText()
> <>
> \end
>
> \define makeNewTable()
> <$set name="newTableTitle" value={{$:/temp/title}} >
> <$action-setfield $tiddler={{$:/temp/title}} text=<>/>
> 
> <$action-navigate $to={{$:/temp/title}}/>
> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/title"/>
> \end
>
> <$button actions=<>>
> New Table
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="New Table" $savetitle="$:/temp/title" 
> />
> 
>
> let me know how it goes,
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Multiple sort order in Tiddlywiki

Good solution!

Thanks Tony!

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 5:04:57 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> Sorry for the delay in a response.
>
> I used all tiddlers to include only the subset of what would be most 
> likely in a query of state and region tiddlers. This acts to limit the 
> default.
>
> I have no objection to your suggestion, however since this part of the 
> filter needs to be the same at all levels of the nested lists, perhaps 
> abstracting this to a subfilter makes more sense since you need only edit 
> in one place.
>
> Perhaps a better approach would be a subfilter*, (This code untested 
> against data)*
> \define tiddlerset-filter() [all[]]
> <$list fiter="[subfiltereach[state]get[state]sort[]]" 
> variable=state>
><$list 
> fiter="[subfilterstateeach[region]get[region]sort[]]"
>  
> variable=region>
><$list fiter="[subfilterstateregion
> sort[]]">
><>
>
>
> 
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:44:20 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 8:42:44 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> I do not mean to sound competitive, but all you need is .nested lists
>>>
>>> <$list fiter="[all[tiddlers]each[state]get[state]sort[]]" variable=state>
>>><$list fiter="[all[tiddlers]stateeach[region]get[region]sort[]]" 
>>> variable=region>
>>><$list fiter="[all[tiddlers]stateregionsort[]]">
>>><>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> gives a list sorted by state then region then tiddler title
>>> not tested against data
>>>
>>> note the groups state and region use "each" and the inner list only 
>>> lists those with the same state and region at a time
>>>
>>> to keep it tidy i use the same name as the field as the variable name 
>>> generated by the each lists.
>>>
>>> state means list all tiddlers with the state field = the value in 
>>> the `<> variable.
>>>
>>> you could wrap the whole thing or make it more levels deep however a new 
>>> outer filter may need every filter to be updated. See how every list filter 
>>> starts with all[tiddlers] a fresh, so if you want to operate on all 
>>> tiddlers this is fine but only with tag[a] would need to read 
>>> [all[tiddlers]tag[a] to each filter.
>>>
>>
>> What do you think if we omit the all[tiddlers]. I think the input of 
>> every filter is all[tiddlers] or all[tiddlers+shadows] so it should not 
>> affect the performance in this case! What do you think? 
>>
>>>   
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 3:47:14 PM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:


 There are different approaches. The easiest would be to make a button 
 that, when pressed, populates a fourth field that can then be sorted.

 Here's an approach that doesn't require two steps, but it does assume 
 that "@@" is reserved:

 \define sortus()
 <$vars lb="[[" rb="]]">
 <$list filter="[has[fa]]">
 <$list 
 filter="[addprefix[@@]addprefix{!!fc}addprefix{!!fb}addprefix{!!fa}addprefixaddsuffix]"/>
 
 
 \end

 <$wikify text=<> name="ready2sort">
 <$list filter="[enlistsort[]]" variable="sorted">
 <$list filter="[split[@@]rest[]]"/>
 
 






 On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:53:03 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Assume you have a bunch of tiddlers 
>
>- all tagged with data
>- all have three fields fa, fb, fc
>
>
> How one can produce a list of tiddlers where they are
>
>- sorted first by fa
>- then by field fb
>- then by field fc
>
>
> This means to keep the multiple sort order!
>
> --Mohammad
>


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[tw5] Re: Unexpected behavior with savetitle in action-createtiddler widget and set widget.

2019-12-11 Thread Eric Shulman

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 8:12:49 PM UTC-8, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> Mark, there is no issue with the action widgets. In fact try this in the 
> above code: replace the value in the set widget with "some static text". 
> Everything works as expected. That is, the setfield action sets the text  
> of the new tiddler to <> then navigates to it, 
> then deletes the temp tiddler. The issue appears to be with the set widget. 
> It is as if the set widget is parsed prior to any action widgets regardless 
> of its location inside the button.
>

Button actions can be subtle, especially when you are depending upon 
intermediate results *during* the processing of the actions.

Fortunately, there IS a solution to your problem:

You can get the results you want if you split the button processing into 
two parts:
(1) create the new tiddler, and
(2) set the contents, show the tiddler, and cleanup the temp

Part(1) of the processing is in the body of the $button widget.
Part(2) of the processing is done using the $button widget's "actions" 
param.

Although Part(1) is not invoked until the button is pressed, it is *parsed* 
when the $button widget is rendered.
However, because Part(2) is done via a separate "actions" param, it is not 
even *parsed* until the button is actually pressed.
As a result, Part(1) processing is completed before Part(2) is parsed AND 
invoked.
This allows Part(2) to use the contents of $:/temp/title that were set 
during Part (1).

Give this a try:
\define newTableText()
<>
\end

\define makeNewTable()
<$set name="newTableTitle" value={{$:/temp/title}} >
<$action-setfield $tiddler={{$:/temp/title}} text=<>/>

<$action-navigate $to={{$:/temp/title}}/>
<$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/title"/>
\end

<$button actions=<>>
New Table
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle="New Table" $savetitle="$:/temp/title" />

let me know how it goes,

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: Lets talk about tables.


>
>
> In advanced search under the filter tab, instead of just one text box, 
> two. One to query a list of tiddler titles (filter format) and another to 
> query fields/indexes (also filter format). If the second box is blank it 
> defaults to a simple list of tiddler titles, if not it returns a table. You 
> could even add a button to turn that query into a tiddler with the table 
> rendered, but that isn't necessarily required. I think it would be a very 
> useful feature and would expand the practicality of the advanced search.
>
>>
>>
This is great idea! Many times you search for a word and it is in different 
fields of tiddler and when you see a bare list of title, it just confusing 
and uncomfortable!
As you and Tony said, tables are a forgotten part of list and it is beset 
to have some simple form in the standard distribution.

Also when you come to bunch of data visualization tool, query tool are of 
high importance!

By the way, what you built in TiddlyTables shows how to create a solid and 
powerful app using modular extensible approach.
I hope we could see more contribution from your side!


--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

Well, I wasn't able to recreate *those* crashes, but I was able to reliably 
crash using the "a node wiki" feature.

I used

bible2
C:\temp\Bible2

in the respective fields and then "Add wiki". 

Then "update list". It crashed

I believe this was the error

TypeError: Cannot read property 'useFileLogging' of undefined
at Object.$tw.Bob.logger.error ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/BobLogger.js:152:
29)
at WebSocket.$tw.Bob.handleMessage ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/
NodeWebSocketsSet
up.js:152:22)
at WebSocket.emit (events.js:182:13)
at Receiver.receiverOnMessage ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/External/WS/lib/
websoc
ket.js:720:20)
at Receiver.emit (events.js:182:13)
at Receiver.dataMessage ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/External/WS/lib/receiver
.js:
415:14)
at Receiver.getData ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/External/WS/lib/receiver.js:
347:
17)
at Receiver.startLoop ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/External/WS/lib/receiver.
js:13
4:22)
at Receiver._write ($:/plugins/OokTech/Bob/External/WS/lib/receiver.js:
70:10
)
at doWrite (_stream_writable.js:410:12)

After this happened twice, I was able to add the Wiki successfully. BUT, 
now my original set of wikis was gone.

>From my perspective, I'm getting errors regularly  AND, it's reset my prior 
list of wikis 3 times. Maybe it's a Windows thing? Like window pathing?

After the last crash, I added back in my wikispath via the manual setting. 
Now I've got the list back including the bible2 entry.

{{adding tw-commander while thinking ...}}

Ok, here's a user error I might be making. If I hit "update list" before 
it's finished doing the new route, could that be crashing? In that case, it 
might be helpful to have a message warning the user that a process is 
happening. Currently the user has no feedback -- it looks like they did 
something, but nothing happened. 

Thanks!

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:57:18 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> That is useful to hear.
>
> The settings weren't resetting themselves, they weren't saved. you have to 
> click the save settings button or they don't get saved back to the server 
> when you are using the manual settings. There isn't much spelled out there 
> because there isn't much reason to use it and I was hoping that reading the 
> documentation would point people in the right direction.
>
> To add wikis you use the first tab under the bob settings in the control 
> panel called 'Manage Wikis', then there is a tab called 'create wikis', 
> then select 'a node wiki' and there is an interface to add them.
>
> So, what documentation could I add that would have brought you to the 
> 'manage wikis' tab instead of the manual settings tab to add a wiki?
>

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[tw5] Re: search in data tiddler (dictionary and json)

Hi Tony!
 Yes it is possible! I am just curious about performance for a little large 
list with nested loop!
  Other way is Eric Shulman method to stitch each tiddler to key to value 
and create a title then search it it and return and extract again tiddler + 
key

  But as my ultimate application is dynamic tables I am looking for a short 
and fast method!
  
--Mohammad

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 4:14:46 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> Could you not simply have a list widget that extracts each key/value pair 
> then have a listwidget within that that asks if that "contains" the string 
> you are searching for?
>
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 5:23:24 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Good idea to start!
>>
>> of course not all indexes contain exactly what is searched for example 
>> test: this is a car and it is blue
>>
>> and then we look for car for example!
>>
>> but I think your approach should work!
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Unexpected behavior with savetitle in action-createtiddler widget and set widget.

Mark, there is no issue with the action widgets. In fact try this in the 
above code: replace the value in the set widget with "some static text". 
Everything works as expected. That is, the setfield action sets the text  
of the new tiddler to <> then navigates to it, 
then deletes the temp tiddler. The issue appears to be with the set widget. 
It is as if the set widget is parsed prior to any action widgets regardless 
of its location inside the button.


On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 7:41:45 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I would love it if I'm wrong, but in my experience you can't have the 
> changes created by one action widget then used by another action widget 
> inside the same trigger (button) widget. You would need a 2nd button for 
> the 2nd stage. Hopefully someone will pop up and prove me wrong ;-)
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:28:42 PM UTC-8, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I am hoping someone can help me figure this out...
>>
>> Currently the *New Table* button in my plugin TiddlyTables 
>> creates a new tiddler with 
>> *<>* as its text. I would like that to instead be: *<> "title of new tiddler">> *where "title of new tiddler" is the title 
>> generated by the action-createtiddler widget.
>>
>> Here is a basic version of what I am attempting:
>>
>> \define newTableText()
>> <>
>> \end
>> <$button>
>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="New Table"
>> $savetitle="$:/temp/title"
>> />
>> <$set name="newTableTitle" value={{$:/temp/title}} >
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler={{$:/temp/title}} text=<>/>
>> 
>> <$action-navigate $to={{$:/temp/title}}/>
>> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/title"/>
>> New Table
>>
>> The problem seems to be with the set widget. I think the variable is 
>> getting assigned *before* $:/temp/title is created. Am I using the set 
>> widget incorrectly? Is there another way to accomplish this?
>>
>> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>> Alan
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Lets talk about tables.

HC,
As someone who's daily job is overwhelmed with tabular data in the form of 
spreadsheets and relational databases, I believe I know where you are 
coming from. TiddlyWiki's non-linear philosophy is part of what makes it so 
great. TiddlyTables was supposed to be 
more of a "query" tool than a "table builder" but TiddlyWiki's unique data 
structure lends itself to the best of both worlds. The advantages of 
non-linear data come in the form of efficient memory utilization and the 
ability for an element to exist at multiple levels of a hierarchical 
structure, but at the expense of a more complex structure that is generally 
more difficult to traverse. Regardless of how data is stored, humans love 
simple and "readable" information, and further, most seem to be especially 
comfortable in a spreadsheet format - hence the overuse of excel. There 
will always be a need to visualize linear "chunks" of non-linear data 
though. Think of it this way. you could create a TiddlyMap 
 of your entire wiki with every field represented 
and edges representing all of their links and, if it doesn't crash your 
browser, you will likely see a useless spiderweb of unreadable nodes and 
lines. This is a purely non-linear representation of a non-linear database. 
On the other hand, you can export an entire wiki to a csv file, a 
spreadsheet. and likewise the data is practically useless in its raw form, 
mostly because it is 90% empty cells. Those empty cells are the wasted 
efficiencies of a non-linear database converted to a linear one. Luckily, 
TiddlyWiki is unique in that everything is represented in tiddlers which 
are represented by name:value pairs. So getting back to the "best of both 
worlds", creating a simple table in TiddlyWiki is a linear "chunk" of a 
non-linear database, which is an inevitable part of visualizing data. In 
the plugins you mention, editing a table only creates data in one field at 
a time therefore the non-linear philosophy is maintained. In my plugin, the 
expand feature was intended to make the tables less linear to hopefully 
avoid "spreadsheet overload". The idea is you can set up multiple tables to 
drill-down or traverse through rather than a bunch of separate tables or 
tables with vague links between them. 

That said, I think you make a good point, and we should always remind 
ourselves to stay true to the spirit of TiddlyWIki. Certainly TiddlyTables 
is too complex in its current form to be implemented as a standard feature, 
but it was a general lack of basic functionality that led me to build it. 
That is, the need for a "query builder". I found myself using the advanced 
search filter a lot and became familiar with the filter syntax, but I felt 
the filter search was missing one thing, columns. I would type in a filter 
that returned 15 titles and then wanted to know their values for "tags" or 
"modified". I would often create a quick unstructured table using the list 
widget but soon started working on a plugin. To answer your proposal, let 
me share my idea for a simple table/query builder that could/should become 
part of the core:

In advanced search under the filter tab, instead of just one text box, two. 
One to query a list of tiddler titles (filter format) and another to query 
fields/indexes (also filter format). If the second box is blank it defaults 
to a simple list of tiddler titles, if not it returns a table. You could 
even add a button to turn that query into a tiddler with the table 
rendered, but that isn't necessarily required. I think it would be a very 
useful feature and would expand the practicality of the advanced search.

I told myself I would keep this short. Sorry,
Alan

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:23:03 AM UTC-6, HC Haase wrote:
>
> Lets talk about tables.
>
> Lately there has been a focus on tables  of tiddlers and there fields (not 
> static wikitext tables) and some great plugins has been developed. Lets 
> talk about the what, the why and the future of tables in tiddlywiki
>
> What tables
> when we look at tiddler-tabels, i.e. tables that list tiddlers, not 
> wikitext tables, I find it a bit confusing with the many options. I see 
> three great plug-ins at the moment.
>
>- fields2table 
>
> by
>  
>Mat: simple and quick to use, in-table edits. I like this because it is 
>simple an fast to use and the inline editing is realy useful. The way you 
>specify what fields to use as columns without editing the tiddler in edit 
>mode is also nice.
>- Tiddlytables 
>
> by
>  
>Alan Aldrich : very extensive, lots of options and nice GUI, beautiful 
>tables. However for me this is overkill as I only have 5 tables.
>-

[tw5] Re: TW5: How to make simple TOC for headers in the current tiddler only?

Chuck

Not withstanding the good advice to make tiddlers the the main unit of data 
in tiddlywiki, because apart from anything all the tools and solutions 
leverage this, this has being an ongoing issues for many one approach to 
the solution is;

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/tiddlywiki/$23$23$20anchor%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/3oGpMaWy6QM/hpMr7L5dBAAJ


Another is 
[[here|https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/ikjxwjllFtE/V9ByUWhEBAAJ]]

There is a fundamental difference between tiddlywiki and standard html 
pages, and that is everything is in a single page (the tiddlywiki file) 
which has many advantages including the live refresh where a change is 
immediately reflected. However this make use of standard anchors difficult 
because there may be more than one on the page at a time. The linked to 
discussions address this but you need to code the headings a particular way.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 2:32:13 AM UTC+11, Chuck R. wrote:
>
> My setup: TW5.1.19 on tiddlyspot.com, using Chrome to view and edit the 
> TW online, using Windows 7 or 10, using TW5 markup
>
> I just want a TOC at the top of tiddlers where I insert the TOC, to show a 
> list of the headers listed in that tiddler only, with links so the user can 
> click on a link in the TOC to jump to that area of the tiddler. 
>
> I've looked at some of the <> macros but I can't get them to work, 
> nor find any documentation on which parameters are required. I've tried 
> this at the top of a normal TW5 language tiddler: 
>
> 
> <$macrocall $name="toc-selective-expandable" tag=<> >
> 
>
>
> But then my whole tiddler disappears when I save the changes with no TOC. 
> I can edit the tiddler again and everything is still there, but none of the 
> contents are displayed. 
>
> Is this possible? I don't want another sidebar TOC as my horizontal spaces 
> is very limited for my browser and desktop. I prefer to keep my brower tall 
> and narrow that is. 
>
> Thank you.
>

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[tw5] Re: Unexpected behavior with savetitle in action-createtiddler widget and set widget.

I would love it if I'm wrong, but in my experience you can't have the 
changes created by one action widget then used by another action widget 
inside the same trigger (button) widget. You would need a 2nd button for 
the 2nd stage. Hopefully someone will pop up and prove me wrong ;-)

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:28:42 PM UTC-8, Alan Aldrich wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> I am hoping someone can help me figure this out...
>
> Currently the *New Table* button in my plugin TiddlyTables 
> creates a new tiddler with 
> *<>* as its text. I would like that to instead be: *< of new tiddler">> *where "title of new tiddler" is the title generated by 
> the action-createtiddler widget.
>
> Here is a basic version of what I am attempting:
>
> \define newTableText()
> <>
> \end
> <$button>
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle="New Table"
> $savetitle="$:/temp/title"
> />
> <$set name="newTableTitle" value={{$:/temp/title}} >
> <$action-setfield $tiddler={{$:/temp/title}} text=<>/>
> 
> <$action-navigate $to={{$:/temp/title}}/>
> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/title"/>
> New Table
>
> The problem seems to be with the set widget. I think the variable is 
> getting assigned *before* $:/temp/title is created. Am I using the set 
> widget incorrectly? Is there another way to accomplish this?
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
> Alan
>

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[tw5] Re: SimpleNavigation

For the passers by

 <$transclude field="caption">
<$view field="title"/>
 

*Shows only the caption OR the title because*


The TranscludeWidget  treats any 
contained content as a fallback if the target of the transclusion is not 
defined 

(ie a missing tiddler or a missing field).


This varies according to the widget in use, look at tiddlywiki.com widget 
tiddler to see the ViewWidget works the same way but not others;

eg The *action-createtiddler* widget is invisible. Any content within it is 
ignored. The content of the <$browse> widget is ignored


Regards

Tony


On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 2:54:46 PM UTC+11, A Gloom wrote:
>
> Thanks for all help & tips, managed to get it working :) 
>
>
> most excellant to hear
>  
>
>> I created a macro with 
>>
>> \define tv-wikilink-tooltip()
>> <$transclude field="caption"><$transclude field="title"/>
>> \end
>>
>
> ah, thats how the ToC macro displays caption then title -- you can also 
> use that in normal lists (see below) -- reusing code is good 
>
> <$list filter="[list[$:/tags/SideBar]]">
>
> <$set name="tv-wikilinks" value="yes">
>   <$link><$transclude field="caption">
> <$view field="title"/>
>   
> 
> 
>
>
> ToC macro
>
> \define toc-caption()
> <$set name="tv-wikilinks" value="no">
>   <$transclude field="caption">
> <$view field="title"/>
>   
> 
> \end
>
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[tw5] Re: Multiple sort order in Tiddlywiki

Mohammad,

Sorry for the delay in a response.

I used all tiddlers to include only the subset of what would be most likely 
in a query of state and region tiddlers. This acts to limit the default.

I have no objection to your suggestion, however since this part of the 
filter needs to be the same at all levels of the nested lists, perhaps 
abstracting this to a subfilter makes more sense since you need only edit 
in one place.

Perhaps a better approach would be a subfilter*, (This code untested 
against data)*
\define tiddlerset-filter() [all[]]
<$list fiter="[subfiltereach[state]get[state]sort[]]" 
variable=state>
   <$list 
fiter="[subfilterstateeach[region]get[region]sort[]]" 
variable=region>
   <$list fiter="[subfilterstateregion
sort[]]">
   <>
   
   


Regards
Tony

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 5:44:20 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 8:42:44 AM UTC+3:30, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> I do not mean to sound competitive, but all you need is .nested lists
>>
>> <$list fiter="[all[tiddlers]each[state]get[state]sort[]]" variable=state>
>><$list fiter="[all[tiddlers]stateeach[region]get[region]sort[]]" 
>> variable=region>
>><$list fiter="[all[tiddlers]stateregionsort[]]">
>><>
>>
>>
>> 
>> gives a list sorted by state then region then tiddler title
>> not tested against data
>>
>> note the groups state and region use "each" and the inner list only lists 
>> those with the same state and region at a time
>>
>> to keep it tidy i use the same name as the field as the variable name 
>> generated by the each lists.
>>
>> state means list all tiddlers with the state field = the value in 
>> the `<> variable.
>>
>> you could wrap the whole thing or make it more levels deep however a new 
>> outer filter may need every filter to be updated. See how every list filter 
>> starts with all[tiddlers] a fresh, so if you want to operate on all 
>> tiddlers this is fine but only with tag[a] would need to read 
>> [all[tiddlers]tag[a] to each filter.
>>
>
> What do you think if we omit the all[tiddlers]. I think the input of every 
> filter is all[tiddlers] or all[tiddlers+shadows] so it should not affect 
> the performance in this case! What do you think? 
>
>>   
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 3:47:14 PM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> There are different approaches. The easiest would be to make a button 
>>> that, when pressed, populates a fourth field that can then be sorted.
>>>
>>> Here's an approach that doesn't require two steps, but it does assume 
>>> that "@@" is reserved:
>>>
>>> \define sortus()
>>> <$vars lb="[[" rb="]]">
>>> <$list filter="[has[fa]]">
>>> <$list 
>>> filter="[addprefix[@@]addprefix{!!fc}addprefix{!!fb}addprefix{!!fa}addprefixaddsuffix]"/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <$wikify text=<> name="ready2sort">
>>> <$list filter="[enlistsort[]]" variable="sorted">
>>> <$list filter="[split[@@]rest[]]"/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 6, 2019 at 7:53:03 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:

 Assume you have a bunch of tiddlers 

- all tagged with data
- all have three fields fa, fb, fc


 How one can produce a list of tiddlers where they are

- sorted first by fa
- then by field fb
- then by field fc


 This means to keep the multiple sort order!

 --Mohammad

>>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.4.0-beta, Garden Gnomes, lazy loading and file stuff

Jed,

I also had a fault, I did not have the chance to report, where imports 
would fail to create the imported tiddlers, but this is no longer occurring 
on 1.4.0 beta 4 as far as I can tell (64bit BOBEXE Windows)!

Thanks


On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 7:56:15 AM UTC+11, Stobot wrote:
>
> Both of my previously mentioned issues have been fixed in 1.4.0 beta 4 as 
> far as I can tell (64bit BOBEXE Windows)!
>
>- [] Disable File System Monitor
>   - Now changes without error message
>- Media server
>   - Now images importing normally
>
> Thanks for the support!
>

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[tw5] Re: * It is the time to be Generous *

Minor Updates to the Lead post and a reminder
 *** It is the time to be Generous ***

Remember any amount large or small can help someone sustain their efforts.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:32:29 AM UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> *** It is the time to be Generous ***
> [Lead Post updated and deleted processed replies]
>
>
> Folks;
>
> I just want to let you all know I have made some payments to community 
> members with a patreon or Paypal accounts and will make more before the New 
> Year. 
>
> This is despite my own currently low income because I see value in 
> rewarding those who put a great deal of effort into our community.  
>
> I plan in the new year to offer some crowd funding of my own work, lest I 
> return to full time work and reduce my contributions. In the meantime I am 
> funding those who do the work.
>
>- Please choose a sum and make one off or re-occuring donations.
>- Please follow suite and indicate you have made a donation here if 
>possible (Details not necessary).
>- If you have a patreon, Paypal or other donation method please post 
>the details here so others can donate to you.
>- I will build a list for future funding drives.
>
>
> Please be generous and sponsor our community and consider a larger 
> donation if you have a business that makes use of TiddlyWiki.
>
>
>- *Bob/JED/OokTech+* has a patreon page here 
>https://www.patreon.com/OokTech 
>
> 
>- *TiddlyServer+ Arlen* use https://www.paypal.me/Arlen22
>- This is *Mario's* paypal link https://www.paypal.me/PMarioJo *PS - 
>If you like it: Support it  :)*
>- 
>
>*Or donate to an individual Plugin eg *
>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/file-backups/
>
>- *Eric Shulman *https://paypal.me/TiddlyTools
>- Some users may provide donation information on their GitHub Pages
>
>
> The best way to support *Jeremy* is by hiring him commercially through 
> his company Federatial https://federatial.com. 
>
>- Jeremy says "Most of my current work is performing custom 
>development of solutions based on TiddlyWiki, with some 
>advisory/consultancy work. 
>- For some clients I also offer a seamless cloud-based implementation 
>of TiddlyWiki running on Amazon Web Services.
>
>
> *This Topic to be Pinned until 31st December*
>
> *Guidance*
>
>- Please "do not reply" with how you can't make a payment, if you make 
>a payment please let people know, you do not need to say how much just 
> tell 
>us who and why.
>- If You can't donate at present there are plenty of opportunities to 
>help the community other ways. 
>
>
>- Promote donations to someone for their work
>   - Answer Questions you have answers for in the Forum
>   - Promote solutions when appropriate in a thread from our community 
>   members and include a link to their donations channel.
>   - Build and Share solutions in this thread
>   - Plan to make donations as soon as you can
>
>
> Yours Sincerely
> Tony 
>

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[tw5] Re: Custom data styles: targeting fields

Hubert,

I am no expert in this but see https://tiddlywiki.com/#Custom%20data-styles 
this defines the attribute tags that comes with TiddlyWiki, it includes the 
ability to apply it to tiddler titles as well as using tags. I believe 
another approach is for you to use the attribute definitions below 
More Possibilities in 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Custom%20styles%20by%20data-tags

That is you can use this css method to address elements with your custom 
attributes and apply css to those elements. This can stop the css bleeding 
because it only applies to elements with those attributes.

With an unbleading set of css you can then use a list widget/reveal with a 
filter in the view template that contains a 
css
Section, if and only if any desired field condition exists.

I hope this leads you to an answer. Hopefully a CSS expert will see this.

tony

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 1:19:11 AM UTC+11, Hubert wrote:
>
> Thanks for responding Tony.
>
> I believe filters can be used in css data-tags. Not done it myself
>>
>
> I would like to avoid tags as reference points for styling. I'm doing that 
> currently and, if possible, I would like to "deprecate" this. Same for 
> filters. Whenever possible, I've replaced them with the  widget.
>
> There is the class field and you can conditionaly display css between 
>>

[tw5] Re: Searches

2019-12-11 Thread Eric Shulman

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 4:20:22 PM UTC-8, PWL wrote:
>
> I tried that code... Main interest is for the HD field.  Didn't work.  
> Don't know what I did wrong.  I copied the exact line into my code but I go 
> nothing.  It stopped giving any results at all... blank page.
>

The example code I posted (which you copied "exactly") was still using 
"$:/temp/search"... change it to "$:/temp/mysearch" and it should work 
again.

-e

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[tw5] Re: search in data tiddler (dictionary and json)

Mohammad,

Could you not simply have a list widget that extracts each key/value pair 
then have a listwidget within that that asks if that "contains" the string 
you are searching for?

Tony

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 5:23:24 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Good idea to start!
>
> of course not all indexes contain exactly what is searched for example 
> test: this is a car and it is blue
>
> and then we look for car for example!
>
> but I think your approach should work!
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Itty.bitty - a cousin to the tiddler?

Ste,

I imagine the algorithm for Ittybitty could be represented in TiddlyWiki, 
both encode and decode but I am curious how this can be put to use?

[[Test|https:
//itty.bitty.site/#/?XQI4AAAmGUqHVd09ZfxC16xLzC16aGEjdkZ7N++qsaejZeOh+pjIxMWiWgrUhIMz6VWHybyHUyNYIGvB///p02AA]]
works on tiddlywiki.com

If we could control the generation of itty.bitty links within tiddlywiki we 
could generate links to display tiddlers and other objects but I am not 
sure how this would be better than other methods;

Of interest is using an iframe to display the result;



Or using it as a QR Code generator

Regards
Tony



On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 10:43:55 AM UTC+11, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Hans, 
> Did you come up with anything interesting for this?
>
> Tt, 
> Good question.
> I guess we can't.. Even though we can isolate one tiddler it still comes 
> as a file...tid/ Json etc.  so then i guess the question becomes one of 
> ease of sharing. link or e-mail attachment. Would an export to itty bitty 
> option be useful? 
>
> TiddlyWiki the bitty edition?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

I'm pretty sure the the settings were saved. I had already set up a wiki 
dir and generated a list, and  probably closed down/re-opened Bob more than 
once, because I was making comparisons with TS. I can only say, try using 
the manual settings and insert something the system wouldn't know how to 
process. I think what I did the first time is to try to emulate the __path 
structure of the previous wikis.

Anyway, the "create wikis" tabs is frightening to anyone adding a wiki -- 
the LAST thing I want to do is to accidentally OVERWRITE an existing wiki.

Thanks!

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:57:18 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> That is useful to hear.
>
> The settings weren't resetting themselves, they weren't saved. you have to 
> click the save settings button or they don't get saved back to the server 
> when you are using the manual settings. There isn't much spelled out there 
> because there isn't much reason to use it and I was hoping that reading the 
> documentation would point people in the right direction.
>
> To add wikis you use the first tab under the bob settings in the control 
> panel called 'Manage Wikis', then there is a tab called 'create wikis', 
> then select 'a node wiki' and there is an interface to add them.
>
> So, what documentation could I add that would have brought you to the 
> 'manage wikis' tab instead of the manual settings tab to add a wiki?
>

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[tw5] Re: Searches

2019-12-11 Thread PWL

I tried that code... Main interest is for the HD field.  Didn't work.  
Don't know what I did wrong.  I copied the exact line into my code but I go 
nothing.  It stopped giving any results at all... blank page.

On Wednesday, 11 December 2019 20:07:36 UTC-4, PWL wrote:
>
> That is exactly what I am looking for.  And now I am staring at the code 
> trying to figure out how to make it work with what I have. I suck at this 
> crap.  Probably why I became an electronics Tech, not technologist.  Anyway 
> here is what my code looks like now.
>
> Search by <$select tiddler="$:/temp/searchfilter" default="Choose" 
> tag="input">
> -Choose one-
>  value="[has[intelligence]search:intelligence{$:/temp/mysearch}]">Intelligence
>  value="[has[climate_terrain]search:climate_terrain{$:/temp/mysearch}]">Climate/Terrain
> HD
> 
> <$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch" tag="input" />
>
> <$macrocall $name="list-links" filter={{$:/temp/searchfilter}} />
> @@.fourcolumns
> 
> @@
>
> On Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:43:00 UTC-4, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:11:33 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> For the 2nd part, wrap the lookup macro with a list that uses a 
>>> minlength operator:
>>>
>>
>> I don't think that's what he is trying to achieve... he said he *wants* 
>> to search for single character input, but only get results for which that 
>> character occurs in isolation:
>>
>> in his initial question, PWL wrote:
>>
>>> when I try to search a single character it returns every entry with that 
>>> particular character in it even if it is part of a series or another 
>>> number.  I want to search for the number 2 and I get returns that include 
>>> 2, 12, 20, 22. is there a way to fix this?
>>
>>
>> One possibility is to use the more strict "literal" search flag that 
>> would require an exact match of the input. Like this:
>> Intelligence
>> Climate/Terrain
>> HD
>>
>> Then, when entering the search input, he could type in the number, 
>> surrounded by whitespace (e.g., " 2 ", without the quotes)
>>
>> That *should* force the search to match only the number 2 as a separate 
>> "word" in the text, preventing it from matching "12", "20", or "22".
>>
>> Of course, if the number is at the start or end of the text to match, he 
>> would need to type "2 " or " 2", respectively.
>>
>> It's not a perfect solution, but it might allow him to work around some 
>> of the specific use-cases he needs.
>>
>> -e
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Searches

2019-12-11 Thread PWL

That is exactly what I am looking for.  And now I am staring at the code 
trying to figure out how to make it work with what I have. I suck at this 
crap.  Probably why I became an electronics Tech, not technologist.  Anyway 
here is what my code looks like now.

Search by <$select tiddler="$:/temp/searchfilter" default="Choose" 
tag="input">
-Choose one-
Intelligence
Climate/Terrain
HD

<$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/mysearch" tag="input" />

<$macrocall $name="list-links" filter={{$:/temp/searchfilter}} />
@@.fourcolumns

@@

On Tuesday, 10 December 2019 20:43:00 UTC-4, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:11:33 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> For the 2nd part, wrap the lookup macro with a list that uses a minlength 
>> operator:
>>
>
> I don't think that's what he is trying to achieve... he said he *wants* to 
> search for single character input, but only get results for which that 
> character occurs in isolation:
>
> in his initial question, PWL wrote:
>
>> when I try to search a single character it returns every entry with that 
>> particular character in it even if it is part of a series or another 
>> number.  I want to search for the number 2 and I get returns that include 
>> 2, 12, 20, 22. is there a way to fix this?
>
>
> One possibility is to use the more strict "literal" search flag that would 
> require an exact match of the input. Like this:
> Intelligence
> Climate/Terrain
> HD
>
> Then, when entering the search input, he could type in the number, 
> surrounded by whitespace (e.g., " 2 ", without the quotes)
>
> That *should* force the search to match only the number 2 as a separate 
> "word" in the text, preventing it from matching "12", "20", or "22".
>
> Of course, if the number is at the start or end of the text to match, he 
> would need to type "2 " or " 2", respectively.
>
> It's not a perfect solution, but it might allow him to work around some of 
> the specific use-cases he needs.
>
> -e
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Lets talk about tables.

HC,

To me a table is as fundamental as a list, I would like to see table 
handling to move into the standard distribution. In TWC the ForEachTiddler 
plugin was my most used plugin which was effectively the List Widget and 
Table tool.

Perhaps a macro or variation on the list widget, I wonder if this can be 
achieved with the template parameter in the list? Then you could introduce 
a toggle that presents the list OR Table view that you suggest.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 8:23:03 PM UTC+11, HC Haase wrote:
>
> Lets talk about tables.
>
> Lately there has been a focus on tables  of tiddlers and there fields (not 
> static wikitext tables) and some great plugins has been developed. Lets 
> talk about the what, the why and the future of tables in tiddlywiki
>
> What tables
> when we look at tiddler-tabels, i.e. tables that list tiddlers, not 
> wikitext tables, I find it a bit confusing with the many options. I see 
> three great plug-ins at the moment.
>
>- fields2table 
>
> by
>  
>Mat: simple and quick to use, in-table edits. I like this because it is 
>simple an fast to use and the inline editing is realy useful. The way you 
>specify what fields to use as columns without editing the tiddler in edit 
>mode is also nice.
>- Tiddlytables 
>
> by
>  
>Alan Aldrich : very extensive, lots of options and nice GUI, beautiful 
>tables. However for me this is overkill as I only have 5 tables.
>- Dynamic 
>
> tables
>  
>as part of Shiraz by Mohammad: this has all the best from tiddlytable 
> (that 
>it is derived from), but keeps it more simple. beautiful tables, many 
>cosmetic customisations, sort by column click (very useful) and it also 
> has 
>inline editing.
>
>
> There is a trade of here between easy of use and features. Starting from 
> fields2tabel it is simple fast and easy to edit, bam here is your table. 
> Dynamic table a bit more to understand a bit of a barrier to get going but 
> much more beautiful and realy handy with column sorting. Tiddlytable has, 
> for my usecase way to much going on and to much learning, but looks realy 
> powerful so if I had a greater need for tables this might be good.
>
> Why tables
>
> For some tiddlers like my index of books to read, I use a handful of 
> fields in them. For those kind of tiddlers, tables are very handy to sort 
> by different criteria (year, genre etc.) and it gives a good overview. 
>
> However I am not sure if it breaks with the TW-philosophy of the tiddler 
> as the smallest unit and tags as the main organiser. Like TW has changed 
> the way I think/interact with knowledge, I think these tables have done it 
> too. when using tables I have a mindset of spreadsheets/DB. I tend to seek 
> to find and overview, to fill missing fields, where the "wiki mindset" 
> gives me a mindset of seeking connections and mental maps. I am not saying 
> tables a bad but I think they change the room for doing an situating 
> knowledge. Or is it just reinventing spreadsheets? that's worth pondering 
> on. 
>
> Future use and development
>
> The main organising mechanism in TW is filtered list of different kinds 
> (list-link, toc, tags). Tables is in essence also just a filtered list that 
> is showing more data. You can (and I have in the past) use the list macro, 
> to make a list showing many fields of its entries. As an example I have a 
> list of users in my company that shows there name, what special software 
> they have and version no. What these tables plugin do different, is making 
> it *easier to make "list with fields* showing", *fast to sort* ( and 
> shift) by different criteria, and *fast to edit field values* in bulk. 
> This is very useful. 
>
> So this is my proposal. 
> Imaging that you make a standard TW list, and at the top left corner (or 
> elsewhere) there is a small toggle button. table view on/of. with this you 
> get a table view of your list with all fields present for the filtered 
> tiddlers. You can do some edits and turn list view back on, or you can 
> leave the table view on if it is more appropriate for what you are doing. 
> Or you could use it to get an overview, make a quick sort by the relevant 
> field and turn back to list again.
>
> I think this could be a good way to hop between wiki mindset and database 
> mindset (as commented above) and give the flexibility to use the best of 
> two worlds.
>
> what do you think. would it be something worth perusing?
>
> unfortunately I would not be the right person to implement his idea.
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

That is useful to hear.

The settings weren't resetting themselves, they weren't saved. you have to 
click the save settings button or they don't get saved back to the server 
when you are using the manual settings. There isn't much spelled out there 
because there isn't much reason to use it and I was hoping that reading the 
documentation would point people in the right direction.

To add wikis you use the first tab under the bob settings in the control 
panel called 'Manage Wikis', then there is a tab called 'create wikis', 
then select 'a node wiki' and there is an interface to add them.

So, what documentation could I add that would have brought you to the 
'manage wikis' tab instead of the manual settings tab to add a wiki?

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[tw5] Re: Itty.bitty - a cousin to the tiddler?

Hans, 
Did you come up with anything interesting for this?

Tt, 
Good question.
I guess we can't.. Even though we can isolate one tiddler it still comes as a 
file...tid/ Json etc.  so then i guess the question becomes one of ease of 
sharing. link or e-mail attachment. Would an export to itty bitty option be 
useful? 

TiddlyWiki the bitty edition?

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[tw5] Unexpected behavior with savetitle in action-createtiddler widget and set widget.

Hello everyone,
I am hoping someone can help me figure this out...

Currently the *New Table* button in my plugin TiddlyTables 
creates a new tiddler with *<>* 
as its text. I would like that to instead be: *<> *where "title of new tiddler" is the title generated by the 
action-createtiddler widget.

Here is a basic version of what I am attempting:

\define newTableText()
<>
\end
<$button>
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle="New Table"
$savetitle="$:/temp/title"
/>
<$set name="newTableTitle" value={{$:/temp/title}} >
<$action-setfield $tiddler={{$:/temp/title}} text=<>/>

<$action-navigate $to={{$:/temp/title}}/>
<$action-deletetiddler $tiddler="$:/temp/title"/>
New Table

The problem seems to be with the set widget. I think the variable is 
getting assigned *before* $:/temp/title is created. Am I using the set 
widget incorrectly? Is there another way to accomplish this?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
Alan

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

It's an assumption I make, because I broke it twice in 10 minutes without 
trying. So I assume it's been only tested by someone who knows exactly what 
to type to get the results they want. There's no reason to get upset about 
it. I'm just reporting what happened.

By reset, I mean all the settings I had made, like wikiPath, were gone and 
I had to start over. I was editing in the JSON look-alike editor you have. 
Server -> Manual settings. That's the only way to set the wikipath, right? 
And add additional wiki locations? If there's some better way to do it, 
that would be interesting. 

Thanks!

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 2:19:14 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> That is a pretty strong assumption to make.
> What exactly do you mean by 'reset'? Where were you editing settings?
>
> The file server mimics the behaviour of the core node server and then adds 
> the option to add more folders. Setting up a file server to mimic the 
> behaviour of an html file on a file:// uri with many different paths puts 
> limits on wiki names that I didn't want to deal with.
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

Diego,

I use both TiddlyServer and Bob. Many have documented the key differences
below. I would add the following;

TiddlyServer
[image: 2019-12-12_9-51-13.jpg]

- Once configured TiddlyServer provides a way to map a folder then just
include your wikis under that folder be they single file or node installs.
- This allows me to have wikis that create wikis and I save them in a
folder and they are then available by simply browsing
- See the image

Bob (I use the EXE form)

- To me the key value of Bob is the multi-access/multi-user function.
Bob is the best place for me to have critical wikis that opening in a
different tab or browser will not result in accidental overwrites.
- The recent Bob File Saver plugin that allows single file wikis to be
saved after installing bob.exe is potentially the the most effective way to
solve the tiddlywiki save issues for new users.

Using both

- I have added additional IP Addresses to my computer on the HOME LAN, I
set both TiddlyServer and Bob to use these rather than localhost or the
default IP Address this stops competition for addresses or port numbers.
- I make both available on my Home network, when elsewhere the custom IP
Addresses are invalid.
- At any point I can move the dedicated IP address to another device on
my lan to be a host.
- The exception is the Bob File Saver Plugin which is on local host and
a special port.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

Captain,

In my view tags are of immense value, especially for building relationships 
and responding to the nature of the knowledge you are recording. Because of 
this value one can over use the tag space, pollute it with too many. What I 
do is freely use tags especially with the new here button however as soon 
as the use of a tag is systematic, for example used to assign one of N 
Projects,  a domain like Home/Work, I move it to a field or another method 
such as Jeds GenTags. 

Tags are not always the best tool because it is not strait forward to 
categorise them and respond differently, for example telling the difference 
between a project tag and a status tag. With status tags you need to remove 
one or more when you add another. It's much simpler to use a field that can 
have only one status value.

I suggest, Use tags as much as you need, but move them elsewhere once you 
can systamatise them.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, December 12, 2019 at 2:05:56 AM UTC+11, Captain Packers wrote:
>
> I'm curious about what people's views are about tagging. Is it better to 
> limit the number of tags you use and force tiddlers to fit a tight and 
> limited structure, or is it better to be generous and liberal with your 
> tagging. The thing that got me wondering about this is the option to tag a 
> new tiddler with the tittle of the current tiddler. Using this option 
> frequently could lead to the creation of a virtually unlimited number of 
> tags, almost one for every tiddler. Does this pose any performance 
> problems? 
>
> I suppose one could impose both philosophies or practices at the same 
> time, where you allow each "child" tiddler to be tagged with the title of 
> the parent, while maintaining a more limited set of topical tags for each 
> tiddler.
>
> As I said, I'm just curious about what tagging practices folks are 
> employing, and whether or not there could eventually be some performance 
> issues.
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> P.S.: I am using a node tiddlywiki.
>

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Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Jeremy,

If the guidelines are clear and transparent it does not need everyone to 
read them, regular posters know what is agreed and will promote the 
guidelines in the community.

Pinning is a great example, there was no standard set, so people did what 
they wanted. I for one thought it was a private pin only, as soon as I 
learned I unpinned, now I can advise others when the pin is inappropriate. 
Whenever this is done in the forum other onlookers learn what the standard 
is.

The people you listed including myself, the regular posters and repliers, 
are all that is needed to direct MOST cases of forum behaviour. If in the 
long run we can't control an area enough, fine try an lock it down.

Other forums have software and moderation features that people use because 
they are there, the misuse of these features is what kills "open forums".

Regards
Tony



On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 7:51:12 PM UTC+11, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>
> * Leave moderation functions open to everyone, and provide guidance and 
> gentle encouragement when their actions affect other users
>
>
> My first concern is that people don’t read warnings. We’ve already got a 
> bunch of important warnings at the top of the forum, the more we add the 
> more we risk that users won’t bother to read any of it. So, end users will 
> continue to be surprised that their actions affect other people.
>
> Secondly, it will completely break the expectations of people who use 
> other forums. Forums of this size always have moderators. I’ve said before 
> we’re not trying to re-invent how open source communities function, we 
> instead seek to learn what works for other similar communities.
>
> Fine, If this method failed (in my view unlikely), well take another 
> approach. 
>
> Ironically I did not know pins affected everyone, and I believe that is 
> what triggered this whole discussion. Yet what I pinned possibly deserved 
> it.
>
>
> I think that’s the problem right there. We can’t have everyone who thinks 
> their posts are important pinning them. It’s an abuse of the way that 
> forums work: the idea is that topics under heavy discussion rise to the top 
> organically.
>
> My personal opinion is that pinning shouldn’t be done for the our regular 
> users, but rather to help provide signposts for new users, and perhaps 
> rarely visiting users.
>
> Examples of the threads I’d like to see pinned are:
>
> * “Newbies start here”, a thread with the top post maintained by moderators
> * “Announcements”, a rolling top post of brief announcements, linking to 
> the original posts
>
> Beyond that, I’d suggest it only be used for emergencies — e.g. a release 
> with a bug so serious we want to prompt all users to upgrade.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> One of the strengths of this community from way back is we suggested 
> people may want to search the group but not feel shy to ask questions. The 
> result is I actively answer Questions. If we continue to emphasis this 
> people will ask questions about pins and tags etc... and a Community FAQ 
> should be enough. Every member of the group can guide other users if we 
> understand our practices.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:10:43 AM UTC+11, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josiah
>>
>> Ciao Jeremy
>>
>> The issue on this is that it was a pretty routine issue closing threads 
>> on request previously. 
>> It helps in that readers then know you don't need to bother reading that 
>> thread.
>> Unless a moderator is reading everything it won't happen now.
>>
>> I hope we can get to some kind of consensus on a way forward because 
>> right now it is less than optimal.
>> I appreciate there are issues on closing threads, pinning & tagging (most 
>> issues are on the latter I think, as its not fully clear what has gone on) 
>> but none of it was exactly a huge problem.
>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell we have two options:
>>
>> * Leave moderation functions open to everyone, which we know causes 
>> problems for users who don’t expect their actions to affect other users
>> * Restrict moderation functions to a group of moderators, which we know 
>> causes frustration for people who want to be able to do moderator-like 
>> things without being a moderator
>>
>> Obviously, the latter approach is taken universally by online 
>> communities. We’re not trying to re-invent how online communities work (or 
>> at least not yet!), and so I don’t see a need to depart from what has 
>> worked for other communities.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Monday, 9 December 2019 16:40:47 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Josiah
>>>
>>> I just noticed that it appears a reader can no longer "close" a thread.
>>>
>>> I assume that is a side effect of the recent changes in the admin system?
>>>
>>> Quite often authors of threads request that (as it is not possible for 
>>> the author of the thread to close it) it be closed when they got an

[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

Like I said, I am updating it.

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

That is a pretty strong assumption to make.
What exactly do you mean by 'reset'? Where were you editing settings?

The file server mimics the behaviour of the core node server and then adds 
the option to add more folders. Setting up a file server to mimic the 
behaviour of an html file on a file:// uri with many different paths puts 
limits on wiki names that I didn't want to deal with.

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Re: [tw5] Pin Unpin Posts

Jeremy,

If you’re saying that you believe that we don’t need moderators for this 
> group, then I respectfully disagree. Firstly, the use of moderation in 
> online communities is universal, and secondly we’ve always had moderators.
>

I am not saying this, perhaps moderators are necessary, I am saying to 
avoid active moderation unless there is a real need. Sure spammers and 
trolls should be locked out.

I have being involved in online communities with* little or no moderators*, 
because the membership as a whole moderate themselves. In many respects 
this already occurs in the TiddlyWiki groups. We regular posters also 
promote a healthy collaborative environment without applying moderation.
 

>
> I don’t think you’re saying that moderators shouldn’t work through an 
> agreed, transparent framework of decision making, but really that’s all 
> that is being suggested. The alternative is that the moderators work on 
> their gut feel, which will inevitably lead to disagreements.
>

I am keen on a "transparent framework of decision making" but I am not at 
all keen on reducing functionality to the general membership and thus 
demanding more effort from moderators on the basis of "perceived" concerns. 
An agreed, transparent framework of decision should be based on evidence 
not opinion (including my own).
 
You invited us to comment on this and I know my suggestion may seem 
non-intuitive and contradictory to many groups, but I is based on my 
experience. People now migrate to largely unmoderated forums and social 
media because of the limitations the old fashioned forums and strict 
moderation. A google search can find dozens of, all but abandoned, forums 
all over the internet. Look at the TiddlyWiki Discord as an example for a 
lightly moderated forum.

If I were employed by tiddlywiki community some may consider questioning 
the status quo as a CLM (Career Limiting move) but I naturally only put a 
strong and novel argument, if I have substantial experience to support my 
assertions, as I do on this occasion.

Any way I have put my case, perhaps sufficiently outside the box that it is 
not understood. But as long as we maintain the current forum culture we 
should be fine. 

 Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

2019-12-11 Thread Scott Kingery

bimlas, thanks for posting that link. Lot's of great information and food 
for thought in there.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 7:15:22 AM UTC-8, bimlas wrote:
>
> Quick link, long answer: 
> https://praxis.fortelabs.co/a-complete-guide-to-tagging-for-personal-knowledge-management/
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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

Tag.. Your it! 

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

2019-12-11 Thread Diego Mesa

Not to make a strong suggestion on others time, but would the community 
find it useful/instructive if both Jed and Arlen tried to install/use/play 
around with the others tool and report back here? If both are willing and 
able, of course.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 3:08:30 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> As many folders as you want RELATIVE to a particular wiki (to support 
> legacy TW where you might have wiki/files, wiki/images, wiki/audio, etc.) ?
>
> I imagine you haven't tried entering incorrect field/object setups into 
> the editor, because you know what the editor wants. I wasn't planning on 
> crashing it, so I didn't take notes for a bug report. But when it crashed, 
> it reset completely.
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 12:36:59 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> Bob allows as many folders as you want for serving files, it is just that 
>> each wiki has its own dedicated folder as well. Media that you import into 
>> the wiki gets saved in a wiki specific folder.
>>
>> And please make bug reports when you have trouble, Bob shouldn't ever 
>> reset its settings, it has been very stable for me for a while so I need 
>> bug reports or I can't fix things.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

Whenever I try to add "A demo tag" in the demo field of a new tiddler (from 
the demo tag menu), it takes me to an empty tiddler ("A Demo Tag") instead. 
I can type the tag in by hand, but I can't select it like I can in a 
regular tag field.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 12:45:57 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I got with many many tags. I made the GenTags plugin to allow multiple 
> tags-like fields which can help reduce the troubles associated with having 
> a very long list of tags. Having tags in different fields lets you have 
> different categories of tags to further organise your wiki.
>
> https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/GenericTagFields/
>
> I should update the plugin a bit. I am going to take a bit of time doing 
> that now.
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

As many folders as you want RELATIVE to a particular wiki (to support 
legacy TW where you might have wiki/files, wiki/images, wiki/audio, etc.) ?

I imagine you haven't tried entering incorrect field/object setups into the 
editor, because you know what the editor wants. I wasn't planning on 
crashing it, so I didn't take notes for a bug report. But when it crashed, 
it reset completely.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 12:36:59 PM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Bob allows as many folders as you want for serving files, it is just that 
> each wiki has its own dedicated folder as well. Media that you import into 
> the wiki gets saved in a wiki specific folder.
>
> And please make bug reports when you have trouble, Bob shouldn't ever 
> reset its settings, it has been very stable for me for a while so I need 
> bug reports or I can't fix things.
>

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[tw5] Re: SVG for button graphic

Ciao Gloom

I am really interested in this! Especially the diamonds.

I'm super busy ATM. But I will look at it and test and comment over the 
next week.

Best wishes
TT

A Gloom wrote:
>
> took care of the dead spot, added div container for diamonds so it can be 
> sized as well as making able to fit on a line with other content
>

 

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[tw5] Re: Lets talk about tables.

Ciao HC,

Very interesting post!

I think this could be a good way to hop between wiki mindset and database 
> mindset


I'm thinking about it.

I would say that TW is NOT only a "wiki" in the normal sense of that term.

This is a case that kinda brings that into the foreground more? Its 
potential flex is VERY unusual.

My 2 cents
TT

HC Haase wrote:
>
> Lets talk about tables.
>
> Lately there has been a focus on tables  of tiddlers and there fields (not 
> static wikitext tables) and some great plugins has been developed. Lets 
> talk about the what, the why and the future of tables in tiddlywiki
>

 

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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

I got with many many tags. I made the GenTags plugin to allow multiple 
tags-like fields which can help reduce the troubles associated with having 
a very long list of tags. Having tags in different fields lets you have 
different categories of tags to further organise your wiki.

https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/GenericTagFields/

I should update the plugin a bit. I am going to take a bit of time doing 
that now.

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

Bob allows as many folders as you want for serving files, it is just that 
each wiki has its own dedicated folder as well. Media that you import into 
the wiki gets saved in a wiki specific folder.

And please make bug reports when you have trouble, Bob shouldn't ever reset 
its settings, it has been very stable for me for a while so I need bug 
reports or I can't fix things.

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

Ciao Mark S.

I can't explain all the details because it involves other programs you 
likely would not know.
The point is that in passing to O/S you can use one's "other" skills that 
then feed their result back 

Here is an example that Bob does for me reliably ...

1 - Bob SCRIPT launches a Windows batch file, passing it parameters that 
invokes a program to "whack a website"; 
2 - on completion passes the whacked file to a regex engine that strips the 
file and converts it into TW (file) fragments (node) can read;
3 - copies the output of 2 into the wiki's directory;
4 - alerts you when it succeeded so you can refresh the wiki;
5 - your wiki now has the processed content.

For some things I like to do Bob most. It is very efficient in combining TW 
intelligence with O/S mediated grunt-work.

My 2 cents
TT

On Wednesday, 11 December 2019 20:36:15 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> It *does* sound like a neat feature. Do you have an example of how you 
> are using it?
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 11:27:55 AM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Mark S.
>>
>> Footnote on ...
>>
>> Bob has it's own editor for configuration files, and (in theory -- I 
>>> haven't tried it) will let you run batch scripts that can be launched from 
>>> your wiki. 
>>
>>
>> It works well. There are some issues on script process. But these are 
>> largely to do with the O/S, not Bob per se. 
>> For instance, you might want to launch a program in the specific wiki's 
>> directory but the Windows program won't play ball without fiddling about.
>>
>> But overall the scripting access to the O/S is superb in Bob, and is 
>> invaluable. 
>> Jed also took care that the way you invoke the scripts isn't too 
>> dangerous.
>>
>> My 2 cents
>> TT
>>
>> Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> They're both interesting, and do similar things, but in slightly 
>>> different ways.
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: search in data tiddler (dictionary and json)

Hi TT,
 Using the Mark approach what do you propose as a  suitable regex pattern 
to find a word in a index:value pairs?

--Mohammad

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 10:45:57 PM UTC+3:30, TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:
>
> That is very useful to know. It would never have occurred to me to use the 
> "type".
>
> Tx, TT
>
> On Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:09:07 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> You could emulate an index search with regexp:
>>
>> <$list 
>> filter="[type[application/x-tiddler-dictionary]regexp:text[\bauthor: 
>> marxsal\b]]">
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>  I need the tiddler name! then I can transclude some indexes.
>>>
>>> Normally a list of data tiddler with index/values are displayed on the 
>>> screen!
>>> I want to search among them and filter the list based on that search 
>>> result!
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>>  display all tiddlers have marxsal  in their author index name
>>>
>>> and then I have same data tiddlers with
>>> author: marxsal
>>>
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> I have many tags... 
> As a tiddler of little brain i use tags to organise subject/sub-subject 
> hiarachies .. All talk of 'other ways' is heresy! ;)


Professor, are you inclined to burn witches? :-)

TT 

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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

David Gifford wrote:
>
> I have personally moved away from tagging because of performance issues 
> with list filters. 
>

Right. The issue is that "tags" in TW do a LOT of things. They are not like 
simple #hashtags on Twitter or Telegram or other places too.

TW tags support "categorical", "organisational" and "bespoke" functions.

But they come at a price. The more complex the tag usage gets the more it 
impacts render & refresh.

What I would say is that "taggery" in TW is a very good FIRST STRATEGY to 
try. 
Often the performance is NOT a major issue. 
A lot depends on (1) size of wiki; (2) scale of organisation by taggery. 

My 2 cents
TT 

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

It *does* sound like a neat feature. Do you have an example of how you are 
using it?

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 11:27:55 AM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mark S.
>
> Footnote on ...
>
> Bob has it's own editor for configuration files, and (in theory -- I 
>> haven't tried it) will let you run batch scripts that can be launched from 
>> your wiki. 
>
>
> It works well. There are some issues on script process. But these are 
> largely to do with the O/S, not Bob per se. 
> For instance, you might want to launch a program in the specific wiki's 
> directory but the Windows program won't play ball without fiddling about.
>
> But overall the scripting access to the O/S is superb in Bob, and is 
> invaluable. 
> Jed also took care that the way you invoke the scripts isn't too dangerous.
>
> My 2 cents
> TT
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> They're both interesting, and do similar things, but in slightly 
>> different ways.
>>
>
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

Ciao Mark S.

Footnote on ...

Bob has it's own editor for configuration files, and (in theory -- I 
> haven't tried it) will let you run batch scripts that can be launched from 
> your wiki. 

It works well. There are some issues on script process. But these are 
largely to do with the O/S, not Bob per se. 
For instance, you might want to launch a program in the specific wiki's 
directory but the Windows program won't play ball without fiddling about.

But overall the scripting access to the O/S is superb in Bob, and is 
invaluable. 
Jed also took care that the way you invoke the scripts isn't too dangerous.

My 2 cents
TT

Mark S. wrote:
>
> They're both interesting, and do similar things, but in slightly different 
> ways.
>

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[tw5] Re: search in data tiddler (dictionary and json)

That is very useful to know. It would never have occurred to me to use the 
"type".

Tx, TT

On Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:09:07 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You could emulate an index search with regexp:
>
> <$list 
> filter="[type[application/x-tiddler-dictionary]regexp:text[\bauthor: 
> marxsal\b]]">
>
> 
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>  I need the tiddler name! then I can transclude some indexes.
>>
>> Normally a list of data tiddler with index/values are displayed on the 
>> screen!
>> I want to search among them and filter the list based on that search 
>> result!
>>
>> For example:
>>
>>  display all tiddlers have marxsal  in their author index name
>>
>> and then I have same data tiddlers with
>> author: marxsal
>>
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

They're both interesting, and do similar things, but in slightly different
ways.

Don't quote me to your *friend* on any of this, because I might have it
wrong.

One of the great, though recent, aspects of Bob is that for saving single
files all you have to do is

1) Install the Bob Saver in the Wiki
2) Download BobWin
3) Run Bob

Now just double click or launch your wiki, and it works and saves AS LONG
AS Bob is running. If all you want to do is work with single files, then
Bob makes it pretty easy.

TS has a more complicated set up. You have to install node.js. You have to
copy an example settings file and then edit it in a text editor.

TS also saves single file wikis, but you need to set up a simple settings
file first. Then TS serves the single file as if it were a file on the web.
Bob is, I think, slightly faster when saving single file wikis. Probably
because the file doesn't have to travel back over the network.

A feature of TS is that you can set a backup directory, and each time it
saves a backup to that directory.

For data folder wikis, both Bob and TS can serve up images, which is
important if you have external files. Bob limits how many file directories
you can have (one per Wiki, I think). So if your legacy wiki has files
under "files" and under "images" then you may have to reorganize your file
structure and change your image links. TS allows you to serve up as many
paths as you want, relative to the data folder *.info file.

If you don't have legacy files to support, then I suppose they're about
equal in terms of static file serving.

TS, or at least an older version of TS, can run on Termux on Android 5+. I
haven't tried running Bob on Termux, so maybe someone can comment on their
experiences in that regard.

Bob has it's own editor for configuration files, and (in theory -- I
haven't tried it) will let you run batch scripts that can be launched from
your wiki. The editor is a little bit fragile, I'd say. For instance, while
writing this I attempted to add a single data folder to the structure. Not
only did it fail, it wiped out my existing wikis setting. The same thing
happened again when I enabled the file server. If you had a lot of
intricate settings, you might find this frustrating.

In TS you have to use an editor for configuration, but you can set up your
own virtual tree that will help navigate if you have a lot of wikis spread
out over an area. The navigation tree can lead you to both single file and
data folder wikis. Bob's configuration sort of expects that all your wikis
live mostly in one directory, though you can add individual paths to
specific data folders. You can't make a path to single-file wikis, because
they are not being served by Bob Server.

So there you have it. They're very close in functionality. TS is a little
better if you want one dashboard for both single file and data folders. Bob
is a little better if you want to use single-file wikis exactly as files on
file system, and have them save fast. But you have to remember to install
the Bob Saver plugin in your single-file Wiki first. Bob simplifies setup
and configuration for you with a single-file installation and a
configuration interface that eliminates the need for an editor. But the
interface resets your configuration if anything goes wrong. TS is more
flexible in terms of static file serving and offers file backup.

Which one do I prefer? It's usually whichever I'm using at the moment ;-)

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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

I have many tags... 
As a tiddler of little brain i use tags to organise subject/sub-subject 
hiarachies .. All talk of 'other ways' is heresy! ;)

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

Hi Jed
 Many thanks for this itemize but complete description.
 I have not used Bob within last year, but your list of feature encourage 
me to try the new version.
--Mohammad

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 1:50:39 PM UTC+3:30, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I made Bob because I can't spell, can't remember command line arguments 
> and can never remember where I put my wikis.
>
> And I kept opening wikis in different tabs and forgetting about it so I 
> would overwrite things I had saved, so it fixes that problem.
>
> So I set up Bob so you can click on the executable and it starts, it 
> doesn't require any configuration and you have access to almost all of its 
> features, the features that do require configuration are more advanced and 
> I am slowly making them work out of the box as well.
>
> I have been working to make it use as little memory as I can, so it has a 
> single tiddlywiki process and only loads tiddlers from each wiki instead of 
> creating a new $tw object or making a new process for it.
> I have my home server running on a raspberry pi along with gitea and some 
> file servers and before I had a script to start up a new node process for 
> each wiki which was making the pi run out of ram pretty quickly, now I have 
> around 70 wikis and it has no trouble.
>
> I have also tried to be very conscious of security problems because it is 
> meant to be very simple to use, so people using it may not have the 
> background to know what to look for when it comes to security.
> I try to have notes anywhere there is a setting that could cause a 
> security problem and explain some of the trade-offs between security and 
> convenience, this is for things like having the wikis available on the 
> local network and enabling the file server.
>
> After that I have just been putting things into it when I think of them 
> and need a break from other projects.
>
> You can do all of this from inside the wiki with a UI, it can use lot of 
> work but it is easier for me than having to editing json files and remember 
> how everything goes together.
>
> After that it just got away from me and I keep adding things to it.
>
> - Create wikis
>   - From editions
>   - From duplicating other wikis
>   - From single file wikis
>   - From a filtered list of tiddlers from one or more other wikis
> - Delete wikis
> - Move/Rename wikis
> - Export single file wikis with all of the server components removed
>- You can optionally give a filter to limit what tiddlers are included 
> in the exported html file
> - You can set up Bob as a plugin server
> - You can change the plugins that a wiki uses with a checklist inside the 
> wiki itself, this updates the tiddlywiki.info file as well
>   - you can do the same with themes
> - It has an experimental feature that fetches plugins directly from GitHub 
> or gitlab and saves them so they can be included in any of your wikis
> - messages from the server appear in the wiki as tiddlywikis alerts
>- This is configurable
> - The file server component can serve from multiple locations
>- For security only files is the listed locations are available, and 
> you can't use something like '../../../../.ssh/rsa_id'
> - When importing media files Bob can save media files in a files folder 
> and create _canonical_uri tiddlers instead of importing the media directly 
> into a wiki
>- I have a wiki that has thousands of pictures of the construction on 
> my house in it and there isn't any trouble
>- You can scan folders for media and Bob will automatically create the 
> _canonical_uri tiddlers for you, and add the folder to the list of places 
> the file server can reach, so I didn't have to manually make one tiddler 
> for each image
> - You can shutdown the wiki server from inside a wiki
> - It also includes a saver server that, along with the BobSaver plugin, 
> lets you just open a tiddlywiki file and save it like you could before we 
> had the problems with browser restrictions.
> - There is a local chat that lets people using the same Bob server to have 
> a real-time chat setup inside the wiki. I am not sure how useful this is, 
> but it is there.
>
> There is also some federation stuff, like syncing wikis between different 
> Bob servers, but that is in the early stages and I doubt anyone but me 
> would use it in its current state.
>

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[tw5] Re: search in data tiddler (dictionary and json)

Good idea to start!

of course not all indexes contain exactly what is searched for example 
test: this is a car and it is blue

and then we look for car for example!

but I think your approach should work!

--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

2019-12-11 Thread David Gifford

I have personally moved away from tagging because of performance issues 
with list filters. And I haven't missed them.

I use linking and the relink plugin a lot. But then I tend to work 
deductively (top down) rather than inductively (bottom up).


On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 9:05:56 AM UTC-6, Captain Packers wrote:
>
> I'm curious about what people's views are about tagging. Is it better to 
> limit the number of tags you use and force tiddlers to fit a tight and 
> limited structure, or is it better to be generous and liberal with your 
> tagging. The thing that got me wondering about this is the option to tag a 
> new tiddler with the tittle of the current tiddler. Using this option 
> frequently could lead to the creation of a virtually unlimited number of 
> tags, almost one for every tiddler. Does this pose any performance 
> problems? 
>
> I suppose one could impose both philosophies or practices at the same 
> time, where you allow each "child" tiddler to be tagged with the title of 
> the parent, while maintaining a more limited set of topical tags for each 
> tiddler.
>
> As I said, I'm just curious about what tagging practices folks are 
> employing, and whether or not there could eventually be some performance 
> issues.
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> P.S.: I am using a node tiddlywiki.
>

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[tw5] Re: search in data tiddler (dictionary and json)

You could emulate an index search with regexp:

<$list filter="[type[application/x-tiddler-dictionary]regexp:text[\bauthor: 
marxsal\b]]">



On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>  I need the tiddler name! then I can transclude some indexes.
>
> Normally a list of data tiddler with index/values are displayed on the 
> screen!
> I want to search among them and filter the list based on that search 
> result!
>
> For example:
>
>  display all tiddlers have marxsal  in their author index name
>
> and then I have same data tiddlers with
> author: marxsal
>
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

2019-12-11 Thread Dave


>
> You can shutdown the wiki server from inside a wiki
>
 
I never really thought about this.  I'm using the BobExe now, so is there a 
better way of shutting down the server using a bash script other than 
"pkill Bob"?  I know that killing a process like that is sometimes less 
than graceful.

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[tw5] Re: search in data tiddler (dictionary and json)

Hi Mark,
 I need the tiddler name! then I can transclude some indexes.

Normally a list of data tiddler with index/values are displayed on the 
screen!
I want to search among them and filter the list based on that search result!

For example:

 display all tiddlers have marxsal  in their author index name

and then I have same data tiddlers with
author: marxsal


--Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: search in data tiddler (dictionary and json)

What is it that you want to return? The tiddler that has the value? Or the 
index?

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 9:23:42 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Is there any simple way to search in data tiddler indexes value like what 
> we do for tiddler fields?
>
> Assume you have several data tiddlers with different index names and then 
> you want to search in one or more indexes as we do for fields
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#search%20Operator
>
>
> --Mohammad
>

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Re: [tw5] bibtex plugin

PiT,
 I see the problem is from Mendely side! I do not use it!
 It seems Mendely uses special export setting!
 Check with Diego and see if you can find a solution!

 Sorry if I was not of enough help!

Cheers
Mohammad

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 4:30:49 PM UTC+3:30, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>
> I tried with this one : 
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
>
>
>- sciencedirect is giving this:
>
>
> @article{BOUCHEREAU2019445,
> title = "Éthique et temporalité en neuroréanimation",
> journal = "Anesthésie & Réanimation",
> volume = "5",
> number = "6",
> pages = "445 - 447",
> year = "2019",
> issn = "2352-5800",
> doi = "https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anrea.2019.09.008;,
> url = "http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
> ",
> author = "Eléonore Bouchereau and Vincent Degos",
> keywords = "Pronostic neurologique, Coma, Conscience, Directive avancées, 
> EEG, Neuro-prognostication, Coma, Consciousness, Advance directives, EEG"
> }
>
> this works!
>
>
>- then I import the same .bib inside Mendeley and export it as .bib 
>again and it gives me this:
>
>
> @article{BOUCHEREAU2019445,
> author = {Bouchereau, El{\'{e}}onore and Degos, Vincent},
> doi = {https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anrea.2019.09.008},
> issn = {2352-5800},
> journal = {Anesth{\'{e}}sie {\&} R{\'{e}}animation},
> keywords = {Advance directives,Coma,Conscience,Consciousness,Directive 
> avanc{\'{e}}es,EEG,Neuro-prognostication,Pronostic neurologique},
> number = {6},
> pages = {445--447},
> title = {{{\'{E}}thique et temporalit{\'{e}} en neuror{\'{e}}animation}},
> url = {http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
> },
> volume = {5},
> year = {2019}
> }
>
> This does not works when importing through TiddlyWiki, with, of course, 
> the BibTeX importer plugin installed!
>
> But, is it a problem related to Mendely exporting or standards, or BibTeX 
> importer plugin? I can't figure it out.
>
> Here is my settings about that "escape" thing inside Mendeley, but checked 
> or not, this does not change the exported .bib
> [image: 2019-12-11_13h55_47.png]
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 12:47:29 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Could you please for test purpose export a .bib from sciencedirect for 
>> example
>>
>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042815018595
>>
>> Then import in TW+Bibtex and see how it is going on!
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 8:28:49 PM UTC+3:30, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, after trying to tweak Mendeley I still have no success exporting 
>>> for or importing to TiddlyWiki.
>>> But I'm not sure if or how you can help.
>>>
>>> It seems that Mendeley is doing quite differently with BiBTeX 
>>> standards, but would be still valid 
>>>  (?).
>>>
>>> So I share with you back a sample.bib with special characters "by 
>>> *Mendeley*".
>>>
>>> I guess I'm the only one using Mendeley with special characters 
>>> bibliography, am I?
>>>
>>> Thanks, regards
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:39:35 PM UTC+1, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:

 Hi Mohammad and Tony,


> *Mohammad, here is a sample of bib with special characters.**This 
> BiBTeX is generated by Mendeley Desktop.*
>
> *Tony, I'm not sure about what you're asking for...**Ideally, I'd 
> like to keep those special characters and don't want to replace each of 
> them manually, of course.*


 Thanks for you answers!

 *EDIT:*  I actually kinda answered myself in fact, so sorry for 
 bothering, Mendeley was just messing up with my export.

  ριτ



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[tw5] Re: to tag or not to tag

2019-12-11 Thread bimlas

Quick link, long 
answer: 
https://praxis.fortelabs.co/a-complete-guide-to-tagging-for-personal-knowledge-management/

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[tw5] to tag or not to tag

2019-12-11 Thread Captain Packers

I'm curious about what people's views are about tagging. Is it better to 
limit the number of tags you use and force tiddlers to fit a tight and 
limited structure, or is it better to be generous and liberal with your 
tagging. The thing that got me wondering about this is the option to tag a 
new tiddler with the tittle of the current tiddler. Using this option 
frequently could lead to the creation of a virtually unlimited number of 
tags, almost one for every tiddler. Does this pose any performance 
problems? 

I suppose one could impose both philosophies or practices at the same time, 
where you allow each "child" tiddler to be tagged with the title of the 
parent, while maintaining a more limited set of topical tags for each 
tiddler.

As I said, I'm just curious about what tagging practices folks are 
employing, and whether or not there could eventually be some performance 
issues.

Thanks for your feedback.

P.S.: I am using a node tiddlywiki.

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[tw5] Re: Custom data styles: targeting fields

2019-12-11 Thread Hubert

Thanks for responding Tony.

I believe filters can be used in css data-tags. Not done it myself
>

I would like to avoid tags as reference points for styling. I'm doing that 
currently and, if possible, I would like to "deprecate" this. Same for 
filters. Whenever possible, I've replaced them with the  widget.

There is the class field and you can conditionaly display css between 
>

Re: [tw5] bibtex plugin

2019-12-11 Thread Sεяεηδι ριτ

Thanks, this would be a way through, but a that point, one other would be 
to export from Mendeley, import to Zotero then export to .bib (or sync this 
but I really don't like how Zotero is managing libraries).

I just don't understand this mess from Mendeley, but this is not the only 
thing they're doing wrong...

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 2:18:24 PM UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey!
>
> I usually solve this kind of stuff using regular expressions on the bib 
> file before TW sees it! I had to use regular expressions to remov the 
> double brackets around tittles, etc.
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 7:00:49 AM UTC-6, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>>
>> I tried with this one : 
>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
>>
>>
>>- sciencedirect is giving this:
>>
>>
>> @article{BOUCHEREAU2019445,
>> title = "Éthique et temporalité en neuroréanimation",
>> journal = "Anesthésie & Réanimation",
>> volume = "5",
>> number = "6",
>> pages = "445 - 447",
>> year = "2019",
>> issn = "2352-5800",
>> doi = "https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anrea.2019.09.008;,
>> url = "http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
>> ",
>> author = "Eléonore Bouchereau and Vincent Degos",
>> keywords = "Pronostic neurologique, Coma, Conscience, Directive avancées, 
>> EEG, Neuro-prognostication, Coma, Consciousness, Advance directives, EEG"
>> }
>>
>> this works!
>>
>>
>>- then I import the same .bib inside Mendeley and export it as .bib 
>>again and it gives me this:
>>
>>
>> @article{BOUCHEREAU2019445,
>> author = {Bouchereau, El{\'{e}}onore and Degos, Vincent},
>> doi = {https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anrea.2019.09.008},
>> issn = {2352-5800},
>> journal = {Anesth{\'{e}}sie {\&} R{\'{e}}animation},
>> keywords = {Advance directives,Coma,Conscience,Consciousness,Directive 
>> avanc{\'{e}}es,EEG,Neuro-prognostication,Pronostic neurologique},
>> number = {6},
>> pages = {445--447},
>> title = {{{\'{E}}thique et temporalit{\'{e}} en neuror{\'{e}}animation}},
>> url = {http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
>> },
>> volume = {5},
>> year = {2019}
>> }
>>
>> This does not works when importing through TiddlyWiki, with, of course, 
>> the BibTeX importer plugin installed!
>>
>> But, is it a problem related to Mendely exporting or standards, or BibTeX 
>> importer plugin? I can't figure it out.
>>
>> Here is my settings about that "escape" thing inside Mendeley, but 
>> checked or not, this does not change the exported .bib
>> [image: 2019-12-11_13h55_47.png]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 12:47:29 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Could you please for test purpose export a .bib from sciencedirect for 
>>> example
>>>
>>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042815018595
>>>
>>> Then import in TW+Bibtex and see how it is going on!
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 8:28:49 PM UTC+3:30, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:

 Well, after trying to tweak Mendeley I still have no success exporting 
 for or importing to TiddlyWiki.
 But I'm not sure if or how you can help.

 It seems that Mendeley is doing quite differently with BiBTeX 
 standards, but would be still valid 
  (?).

 So I share with you back a sample.bib with special characters "by 
 *Mendeley*".

 I guess I'm the only one using Mendeley with special characters 
 bibliography, am I?

 Thanks, regards

 On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:39:35 PM UTC+1, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad and Tony,
>
>
>> *Mohammad, here is a sample of bib with special characters.**This 
>> BiBTeX is generated by Mendeley Desktop.*
>>
>> *Tony, I'm not sure about what you're asking for...**Ideally, I'd 
>> like to keep those special characters and don't want to replace each of 
>> them manually, of course.*
>
>
> Thanks for you answers!
>
> *EDIT:*  I actually kinda answered myself in fact, so sorry for 
> bothering, Mendeley was just messing up with my export.
>
>  ριτ
>
>

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Re: [tw5] bibtex plugin

2019-12-11 Thread Diego Mesa

Hey!

I usually solve this kind of stuff using regular expressions on the bib 
file before TW sees it! I had to use regular expressions to remov the 
double brackets around tittles, etc.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 7:00:49 AM UTC-6, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>
> I tried with this one : 
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
>
>
>- sciencedirect is giving this:
>
>
> @article{BOUCHEREAU2019445,
> title = "Éthique et temporalité en neuroréanimation",
> journal = "Anesthésie & Réanimation",
> volume = "5",
> number = "6",
> pages = "445 - 447",
> year = "2019",
> issn = "2352-5800",
> doi = "https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anrea.2019.09.008;,
> url = "http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
> ",
> author = "Eléonore Bouchereau and Vincent Degos",
> keywords = "Pronostic neurologique, Coma, Conscience, Directive avancées, 
> EEG, Neuro-prognostication, Coma, Consciousness, Advance directives, EEG"
> }
>
> this works!
>
>
>- then I import the same .bib inside Mendeley and export it as .bib 
>again and it gives me this:
>
>
> @article{BOUCHEREAU2019445,
> author = {Bouchereau, El{\'{e}}onore and Degos, Vincent},
> doi = {https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anrea.2019.09.008},
> issn = {2352-5800},
> journal = {Anesth{\'{e}}sie {\&} R{\'{e}}animation},
> keywords = {Advance directives,Coma,Conscience,Consciousness,Directive 
> avanc{\'{e}}es,EEG,Neuro-prognostication,Pronostic neurologique},
> number = {6},
> pages = {445--447},
> title = {{{\'{E}}thique et temporalit{\'{e}} en neuror{\'{e}}animation}},
> url = {http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388
> },
> volume = {5},
> year = {2019}
> }
>
> This does not works when importing through TiddlyWiki, with, of course, 
> the BibTeX importer plugin installed!
>
> But, is it a problem related to Mendely exporting or standards, or BibTeX 
> importer plugin? I can't figure it out.
>
> Here is my settings about that "escape" thing inside Mendeley, but checked 
> or not, this does not change the exported .bib
> [image: 2019-12-11_13h55_47.png]
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 12:47:29 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Could you please for test purpose export a .bib from sciencedirect for 
>> example
>>
>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042815018595
>>
>> Then import in TW+Bibtex and see how it is going on!
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 8:28:49 PM UTC+3:30, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, after trying to tweak Mendeley I still have no success exporting 
>>> for or importing to TiddlyWiki.
>>> But I'm not sure if or how you can help.
>>>
>>> It seems that Mendeley is doing quite differently with BiBTeX 
>>> standards, but would be still valid 
>>>  (?).
>>>
>>> So I share with you back a sample.bib with special characters "by 
>>> *Mendeley*".
>>>
>>> I guess I'm the only one using Mendeley with special characters 
>>> bibliography, am I?
>>>
>>> Thanks, regards
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:39:35 PM UTC+1, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:

 Hi Mohammad and Tony,


> *Mohammad, here is a sample of bib with special characters.**This 
> BiBTeX is generated by Mendeley Desktop.*
>
> *Tony, I'm not sure about what you're asking for...**Ideally, I'd 
> like to keep those special characters and don't want to replace each of 
> them manually, of course.*


 Thanks for you answers!

 *EDIT:*  I actually kinda answered myself in fact, so sorry for 
 bothering, Mendeley was just messing up with my export.

  ριτ



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Re: [tw5] Re: How can I make TiddlyMap look more like a 'traditional' mind-map?

2019-12-11 Thread A Sklpns


Τη Τρίτη, 1 Οκτωβρίου 2019 - 9:17:48 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης HC Haase έγραψε:
>
> I would like to know this to.. tiddlymap is powerful, but also hard to 
> make structured. I would wish that there was a way to auto align nodes. 
>
> I don know how to do it with tiddlymap but, you could use tidgraph 
> .
>  
> If you have a tree hierarchy it produce very nice tree mind maps and is 
> lightweight (but still configurable). but it can't handle many to many 
> relations like tiddlymap.
>
>
>> Dear friends,
I'd like to second both of the above, if I may: wish that there was a way 
to auto align nodes in tiddlymap. Also, handling many to many relations 
with tidgraph. 
Thank you
sklpns 

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Re: [tw5] bibtex plugin

2019-12-11 Thread Sεяεηδι ριτ

I tried with this one : 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388


   - sciencedirect is giving this:


@article{BOUCHEREAU2019445,
title = "Éthique et temporalité en neuroréanimation",
journal = "Anesthésie & Réanimation",
volume = "5",
number = "6",
pages = "445 - 447",
year = "2019",
issn = "2352-5800",
doi = "https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anrea.2019.09.008;,
url = "http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388;,
author = "Eléonore Bouchereau and Vincent Degos",
keywords = "Pronostic neurologique, Coma, Conscience, Directive avancées, 
EEG, Neuro-prognostication, Coma, Consciousness, Advance directives, EEG"
}

this works!


   - then I import the same .bib inside Mendeley and export it as .bib 
   again and it gives me this:


@article{BOUCHEREAU2019445,
author = {Bouchereau, El{\'{e}}onore and Degos, Vincent},
doi = {https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anrea.2019.09.008},
issn = {2352-5800},
journal = {Anesth{\'{e}}sie {\&} R{\'{e}}animation},
keywords = {Advance directives,Coma,Conscience,Consciousness,Directive 
avanc{\'{e}}es,EEG,Neuro-prognostication,Pronostic neurologique},
number = {6},
pages = {445--447},
title = {{{\'{E}}thique et temporalit{\'{e}} en neuror{\'{e}}animation}},
url = {http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352580019301388},
volume = {5},
year = {2019}
}

This does not works when importing through TiddlyWiki, with, of course, the 
BibTeX importer plugin installed!

But, is it a problem related to Mendely exporting or standards, or BibTeX 
importer plugin? I can't figure it out.

Here is my settings about that "escape" thing inside Mendeley, but checked 
or not, this does not change the exported .bib
[image: 2019-12-11_13h55_47.png]




On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 12:47:29 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Could you please for test purpose export a .bib from sciencedirect for 
> example
>
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042815018595
>
> Then import in TW+Bibtex and see how it is going on!
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 8:28:49 PM UTC+3:30, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>>
>> Well, after trying to tweak Mendeley I still have no success exporting 
>> for or importing to TiddlyWiki.
>> But I'm not sure if or how you can help.
>>
>> It seems that Mendeley is doing quite differently with BiBTeX standards, 
>> but would be still valid 
>>  (?).
>>
>> So I share with you back a sample.bib with special characters "by 
>> *Mendeley*".
>>
>> I guess I'm the only one using Mendeley with special characters 
>> bibliography, am I?
>>
>> Thanks, regards
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:39:35 PM UTC+1, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mohammad and Tony,
>>>
>>>
 *Mohammad, here is a sample of bib with special characters.**This 
 BiBTeX is generated by Mendeley Desktop.*

 *Tony, I'm not sure about what you're asking for...**Ideally, I'd like 
 to keep those special characters and don't want to replace each of them 
 manually, of course.*
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for you answers!
>>>
>>> *EDIT:*  I actually kinda answered myself in fact, so sorry for 
>>> bothering, Mendeley was just messing up with my export.
>>>
>>>  ριτ
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: SVG for button graphic

2019-12-11 Thread A Gloom

took care of the dead spot, added div container for diamonds so it can be 
sized as well as making able to fit on a line with other content


<$list filter="[prefix[zz test pg]limit[4]sort[sortorder]]">

<$link>{{svg 
diamond}}<$view 
field="captletter"/>

use field "captletter" for tiddlers so you can have single letters display 
inside the diamonds, titles will overflow out of the shape

classes can be assigned to the divs and inline styling can be moved to a 
global stylesheet (I tend to use inline styling for fine tuning for 
different tiddlers, especially since layouts are still be ironed out and 
changing often)

this also demonstrates an easy way to make an icon, image or object such as 
a div, a link "object" --

 <$list filter="[[tiddler title]]"><$link>

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Re: [tw5] bibtex plugin

If you use Refnotes (https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/)
You need to have Bibtex Importer plugin installed!

Good luck

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 8:28:49 PM UTC+3:30, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>
> Well, after trying to tweak Mendeley I still have no success exporting for 
> or importing to TiddlyWiki.
> But I'm not sure if or how you can help.
>
> It seems that Mendeley is doing quite differently with BiBTeX standards, 
> but would be still valid 
>  (?).
>
> So I share with you back a sample.bib with special characters "by 
> *Mendeley*".
>
> I guess I'm the only one using Mendeley with special characters 
> bibliography, am I?
>
> Thanks, regards
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:39:35 PM UTC+1, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mohammad and Tony,
>>
>>
>>> *Mohammad, here is a sample of bib with special characters.**This 
>>> BiBTeX is generated by Mendeley Desktop.*
>>>
>>> *Tony, I'm not sure about what you're asking for...**Ideally, I'd like 
>>> to keep those special characters and don't want to replace each of them 
>>> manually, of course.*
>>
>>
>> Thanks for you answers!
>>
>> *EDIT:*  I actually kinda answered myself in fact, so sorry for 
>> bothering, Mendeley was just messing up with my export.
>>
>>  ριτ
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] bibtex plugin

Could you please for test purpose export a .bib from sciencedirect for 
example

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042815018595

Then import in TW+Bibtex and see how it is going on!

--Mohammad


On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 8:28:49 PM UTC+3:30, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>
> Well, after trying to tweak Mendeley I still have no success exporting for 
> or importing to TiddlyWiki.
> But I'm not sure if or how you can help.
>
> It seems that Mendeley is doing quite differently with BiBTeX standards, 
> but would be still valid 
>  (?).
>
> So I share with you back a sample.bib with special characters "by 
> *Mendeley*".
>
> I guess I'm the only one using Mendeley with special characters 
> bibliography, am I?
>
> Thanks, regards
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 4:39:35 PM UTC+1, Sεяεηδι ριτ wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mohammad and Tony,
>>
>>
>>> *Mohammad, here is a sample of bib with special characters.**This 
>>> BiBTeX is generated by Mendeley Desktop.*
>>>
>>> *Tony, I'm not sure about what you're asking for...**Ideally, I'd like 
>>> to keep those special characters and don't want to replace each of them 
>>> manually, of course.*
>>
>>
>> Thanks for you answers!
>>
>> *EDIT:*  I actually kinda answered myself in fact, so sorry for 
>> bothering, Mendeley was just messing up with my export.
>>
>>  ριτ
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Bob and TiddlyServer

I made Bob because I can't spell, can't remember command line arguments and 
can never remember where I put my wikis.

And I kept opening wikis in different tabs and forgetting about it so I 
would overwrite things I had saved, so it fixes that problem.

So I set up Bob so you can click on the executable and it starts, it 
doesn't require any configuration and you have access to almost all of its 
features, the features that do require configuration are more advanced and 
I am slowly making them work out of the box as well.

I have been working to make it use as little memory as I can, so it has a 
single tiddlywiki process and only loads tiddlers from each wiki instead of 
creating a new $tw object or making a new process for it.
I have my home server running on a raspberry pi along with gitea and some 
file servers and before I had a script to start up a new node process for 
each wiki which was making the pi run out of ram pretty quickly, now I have 
around 70 wikis and it has no trouble.

I have also tried to be very conscious of security problems because it is 
meant to be very simple to use, so people using it may not have the 
background to know what to look for when it comes to security.
I try to have notes anywhere there is a setting that could cause a security 
problem and explain some of the trade-offs between security and 
convenience, this is for things like having the wikis available on the 
local network and enabling the file server.

After that I have just been putting things into it when I think of them and 
need a break from other projects.

You can do all of this from inside the wiki with a UI, it can use lot of 
work but it is easier for me than having to editing json files and remember 
how everything goes together.

After that it just got away from me and I keep adding things to it.

- Create wikis
  - From editions
  - From duplicating other wikis
  - From single file wikis
  - From a filtered list of tiddlers from one or more other wikis
- Delete wikis
- Move/Rename wikis
- Export single file wikis with all of the server components removed
   - You can optionally give a filter to limit what tiddlers are included 
in the exported html file
- You can set up Bob as a plugin server
- You can change the plugins that a wiki uses with a checklist inside the 
wiki itself, this updates the tiddlywiki.info file as well
  - you can do the same with themes
- It has an experimental feature that fetches plugins directly from GitHub 
or gitlab and saves them so they can be included in any of your wikis
- messages from the server appear in the wiki as tiddlywikis alerts
   - This is configurable
- The file server component can serve from multiple locations
   - For security only files is the listed locations are available, and you 
can't use something like '../../../../.ssh/rsa_id'
- When importing media files Bob can save media files in a files folder and 
create _canonical_uri tiddlers instead of importing the media directly into 
a wiki
   - I have a wiki that has thousands of pictures of the construction on my 
house in it and there isn't any trouble
   - You can scan folders for media and Bob will automatically create the 
_canonical_uri tiddlers for you, and add the folder to the list of places 
the file server can reach, so I didn't have to manually make one tiddler 
for each image
- You can shutdown the wiki server from inside a wiki
- It also includes a saver server that, along with the BobSaver plugin, 
lets you just open a tiddlywiki file and save it like you could before we 
had the problems with browser restrictions.
- There is a local chat that lets people using the same Bob server to have 
a real-time chat setup inside the wiki. I am not sure how useful this is, 
but it is there.

There is also some federation stuff, like syncing wikis between different 
Bob servers, but that is in the early stages and I doubt anyone but me 
would use it in its current state.

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[tw5] Re: How to backup or clone the actual wiki inside of TW5?

2019-12-11 Thread Stefan Pfister

Alright I'll keep my bash script. Thanks for the input.

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[tw5] Re: Orange "Drop Here" banner when dragging and dropping a plugin

2019-12-11 Thread HC Haase



onsdag den 11. december 2019 kl. 09.25.52 UTC+1 skrev PMario:
>
> Hi
>
> If the story river is empty, the "drop area" is close to the top of the 
> wiki.
>
> Did you try to drag your stuff upwards?
>
  
dosen't help 

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Re: [tw5] Bob and TiddlyServer

2019-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston



> In fact, most of the inspiration for it came from Jeremy because of the way 
> he designed the boot.js file and other server related components. The 
> paradigm he used is what made it possible. In a way, it felt like I built a 
> section of TiddlyWiki that had been planned for but never built. Maybe not, 
> but Jeremy definitely laid a solid foundation.

Yes indeed, it's really fun when it happens like that.

As some of you may have noticed, I might have a bias towards writing code, 
rather than writing docs or blog posts. It's fair to say that there's a part of 
me that thinks that writing code is a definitively superior means of expression 
because it's unambiguous and concrete. Seeing code like yours that I could have 
written myself is the most satisfying possible confirmation of that shaky 
theorising. It's also very good for the health of the community to have as many 
developers as possible with that level of understanding of the core code.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw5] Lets talk about tables.

2019-12-11 Thread HC Haase

Lets talk about tables.

Lately there has been a focus on tables of tiddlers and there fields (not
static wikitext tables) and some great plugins has been developed. Lets
talk about the what, the why and the future of tables in tiddlywiki

What tables
when we look at tiddler-tabels, i.e. tables that list tiddlers, not
wikitext tables, I find it a bit confusing with the many options. I see
three great plug-ins at the moment.

- fields2table

Mat: simple and quick to use, in-table edits. I like this because it is
simple an fast to use and the inline editing is realy useful. The way you
specify what fields to use as columns without editing the tiddler in edit
mode is also nice.
- Tiddlytables

Alan Aldrich : very extensive, lots of options and nice GUI, beautiful
tables. However for me this is overkill as I only have 5 tables.
- Dynamic

tables

as part of Shiraz by Mohammad: this has all the best from tiddlytable (that
it is derived from), but keeps it more simple. beautiful tables, many
cosmetic customisations, sort by column click (very useful) and it also has
inline editing.

There is a trade of here between easy of use and features. Starting from
fields2tabel it is simple fast and easy to edit, bam here is your table.
Dynamic table a bit more to understand a bit of a barrier to get going but
much more beautiful and realy handy with column sorting. Tiddlytable has,
for my usecase way to much going on and to much learning, but looks realy
powerful so if I had a greater need for tables this might be good.

Why tables

For some tiddlers like my index of books to read, I use a handful of fields
in them. For those kind of tiddlers, tables are very handy to sort by
different criteria (year, genre etc.) and it gives a good overview.

However I am not sure if it breaks with the TW-philosophy of the tiddler as
the smallest unit and tags as the main organiser. Like TW has changed the
way I think/interact with knowledge, I think these tables have done it too.
when using tables I have a mindset of spreadsheets/DB. I tend to seek to
find and overview, to fill missing fields, where the "wiki mindset" gives
me a mindset of seeking connections and mental maps. I am not saying tables
a bad but I think they change the room for doing an situating knowledge. Or
is it just reinventing spreadsheets? that's worth pondering on.

Future use and development

The main organising mechanism in TW is filtered list of different kinds
(list-link, toc, tags). Tables is in essence also just a filtered list that
is showing more data. You can (and I have in the past) use the list macro,
to make a list showing many fields of its entries. As an example I have a
list of users in my company that shows there name, what special software
they have and version no. What these tables plugin do different, is making
it *easier to make "list with fields* showing", *fast to sort* ( and shift)
by different criteria, and *fast to edit field values* in bulk. This is
very useful.

So this is my proposal.
Imaging that you make a standard TW list, and at the top left corner (or
elsewhere) there is a small toggle button. table view on/of. with this you
get a table view of your list with all fields present for the filtered
tiddlers. You can do some edits and turn list view back on, or you can
leave the table view on if it is more appropriate for what you are doing.
Or you could use it to get an overview, make a quick sort by the relevant
field and turn back to list again.

I think this could be a good way to hop between wiki mindset and database
mindset (as commented above) and give the flexibility to use the best of
two worlds.

what do you think. would it be something worth perusing?

unfortunately I would not be the right person to implement his idea.

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[tw5] TW5: Can I upgrade a TW5 file on tiddlyspot directly?

I always do the download and drag into tiddlywiki.com then download and save 
back to tiddlyspot thing. I think Firefox doesn't like the saving back to 
tiddlspot bit so you may have to use chrome this once. 

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.0 beta 13: new list-search macro and regexp


>
> I still get this message:
>
>> Blocked plugin (due to incoming 2.0.0 beta 13 being older than existing 
>> 2.0.0 beta 12) 
>>
>
> Maybe you clanged the name but not the version number? 
>

I will push a new update soon hopefully address this issue!


--Mohammad 

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[tw5] Re: Orange "Drop Here" banner when dragging and dropping a plugin

2019-12-11 Thread PMario

Hi

If the story river is empty, the "drop area" is close to the top of the 
wiki.

Did you try to drag your stuff upwards?

-m

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[tw5] Re: interactive maths: gamma distribution help needed