[tw5] Re: A "Who am I?" game template

[Charlie Veniot]

That is very cool !

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:45:37 AM UTC-4 Erwan wrote:

>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Sharing this little "Who Am I?" game template that I did: 
> https://erwanm.github.io/TW-WhoAmIGame/
>
> The idea is that you can replace the questions and answers with your own, 
> and the questions appear in random order with a list of randomly selected 
> possible answers. 
>
> I had this idea around Christmas as a way to replace the traditional 
> gathering we normally have with my extended family (that's almost 40 people 
> with all my cousins' children). So I asked every family member to send me 3 
> to 5 questions and a couple pictures (parents doing it for their young 
> children, of course), then I put all of these in the wiki and I sent the 
> resulting game to everyone. Most people in my family enjoyed it, they even 
> had fun preparing the questions and later actually playing the game.
>
> Cheers
> Erwan
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[TW Tones]

Cedric,

My simple answer to " Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for 
me? " is yes, but it important to realise the following key points;

   - TiddlyWiki is a platform on which a suitable tool can be built and 
   evolved
   - True collaboration is only possible on top of Bob which is a Node 
   solution and thus may be a safe Intranet or LAN solution, but only an 
   internet solution with a VPN by users into you LAN (my opinion)
   - Jed is building more of the security and Internet facing features with 
   Bob but he needs more funding support
   - I have being working toward a simple serial editor method (Check in / 
   Out) which would be another way to collaborate but I have not had much 
   support and would need some funding as well, as I need to make a living.

Regards
Tones
On Friday, 29 January 2021 at 20:41:09 UTC+11 work.ced...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everybody.
>
> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a very 
> small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company.
>
> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared between 
> people who yet work in the same room and I want to start documenting 
> projects and applications while managing updates and versions. 
>
> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we cannot 
> afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source wikimedia like 
> or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered Tiddly. 
>
> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me?
>
> Best regards.
> Cedric J. 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Note that out of the box TW doesn't do collaboration. AFAIK, the only 
multi-user tool is Bob. So you might investigate how that works on your 
company intranet.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 12:16:42 PM UTC-8 work.ced...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> @PMario,
>
> Yes my boss, the owner of the company wants that so does his advisor. My 
> manager also wants that but nobody want to spend much time. 
> We use Jira for tasks management: creating, assigning and updating tasks 
> from ''To Do" to "Done".
> We use GitLab to manage the versions of our codes.
> There is no CI/CD tool like Travis and Jenkins. I don't have experience 
> with CI systems but I am ready to learn.
> What I **really** want is a really private collaborative blog-like with 
> tags and a clean interface.
> I want to document :
>
>- Projects goals
>- Choices (why we did things the way we did) 
>- APIs with the endpoints, what they return and the versions
>- Tutorials: how to set up and start apps
>- Use cases
>- Related knowledge, for example I made a Kubernetes powerpoint based 
>training last week for my team
>- FAQ
>- Updates
>
>
>
> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 16:54:28 UTC+1, PMario a écrit :
>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:28:54 PM UTC+1 work.ced...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different 
>>> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync 
>>> and I would need an example.
>>>
>>> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said 
>>> that it is difficult for a team. 
>>> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? 
>>>
>>
>> Yes. BUT I think it only works for _public_ content and I doubt that's 
>> what you want.
>>  
>>
>>> We use a private GitLab business account so I am not sure that it would 
>>> be the solution.
>>>
>>
>> We (TW) do have a GitLab saver and GitLab also has a "pages" option. 
>>
>> ... But if you use GitLab and the CI/CD elements, it will also be 
>> possible to dynamically create "parts" or "all" of the wiki content in a 
>> "scripted" way. You only would need to "compile" the wiki after a commit is 
>> made, or may be if you TAG a software version. 
>>
>> BUT ... This would be the second step of the game. 
>>
>> In the OP you wrote that some of the "maintainers" of the wiki sit in the 
>> same room. .. So "locking" the wiki would be simple. Just ask the others to 
>> save their wiki, if they are editing it. ... I know that this is far from 
>> perfect, but if you are at the same place -- it's simple. 
>>
>> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra.
>>>
>>
>> I think the only "fair" comparison would be with Bookstack, since it can 
>> be "self-hosted" and is open-source. All the others are proprietary 
>> products.
>>
>> But I think you did land here at the TW group, because it can be a 
>> "single page" wiki, that can be stored alongside 1 project, with no extra 
>> dependencies. For Bookstack, imo you will need your own DevOps person that 
>> takes care of the server-side and keep it running. 
>>
>> TiddlyWiki is a single html file, that imo easily can contain the text 
>> content needed. ... Images should be "external", but that shouldn't be a 
>> big problem with GitLab-pages. 
>>
>> Knowing that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 
>>> full-time developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from 
>>> the messy situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next 
>>> to you installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, 
>>> etc. 
>>>
>>
>> In the OP you wrote, that you use Jira, to manage your code. In the 
>> response above you wrote you have a GitLab business account ... So I'm a 
>> bit confused. Both software stacks do similar things ... 
>>
>>  
>>
>>> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
>>> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying 
>>> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has 
>>> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the 
>>> applications with many installations.
>>>
>>
>> I think that's a perfect match for a TW. 
>>  
>>
>>>  This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private Wiki.
>>>
>>
>> As I wrote, it may be possible, to create parts of the wiki 
>> automatically, if you use a CI system. 
>>
>> BUT it would need a lot more info, what you *really* want. 
>>
>> --
>>
>> There is 1 question left: ... Is it your idea to create a knowledge base, 
>> or does everyone desperately want it. IMO it's important that it's 
>> sanctioned from the management. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[C J]

@PMario,

Yes my boss, the owner of the company wants that so does his advisor. My 
manager also wants that but nobody want to spend much time. 
We use Jira for tasks management: creating, assigning and updating tasks 
from ''To Do" to "Done".
We use GitLab to manage the versions of our codes.
There is no CI/CD tool like Travis and Jenkins. I don't have experience 
with CI systems but I am ready to learn.
What I **really** want is a really private collaborative blog-like with 
tags and a clean interface.
I want to document :

   - Projects goals
   - Choices (why we did things the way we did) 
   - APIs with the endpoints, what they return and the versions
   - Tutorials: how to set up and start apps
   - Use cases
   - Related knowledge, for example I made a Kubernetes powerpoint based 
   training last week for my team
   - FAQ
   - Updates



Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 16:54:28 UTC+1, PMario a écrit :

> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:28:54 PM UTC+1 work.ced...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different 
>> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync 
>> and I would need an example.
>>
>> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said 
>> that it is difficult for a team. 
>> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? 
>>
>
> Yes. BUT I think it only works for _public_ content and I doubt that's 
> what you want.
>  
>
>> We use a private GitLab business account so I am not sure that it would 
>> be the solution.
>>
>
> We (TW) do have a GitLab saver and GitLab also has a "pages" option. 
>
> ... But if you use GitLab and the CI/CD elements, it will also be possible 
> to dynamically create "parts" or "all" of the wiki content in a "scripted" 
> way. You only would need to "compile" the wiki after a commit is made, or 
> may be if you TAG a software version. 
>
> BUT ... This would be the second step of the game. 
>
> In the OP you wrote that some of the "maintainers" of the wiki sit in the 
> same room. .. So "locking" the wiki would be simple. Just ask the others to 
> save their wiki, if they are editing it. ... I know that this is far from 
> perfect, but if you are at the same place -- it's simple. 
>
> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra.
>>
>
> I think the only "fair" comparison would be with Bookstack, since it can 
> be "self-hosted" and is open-source. All the others are proprietary 
> products.
>
> But I think you did land here at the TW group, because it can be a "single 
> page" wiki, that can be stored alongside 1 project, with no extra 
> dependencies. For Bookstack, imo you will need your own DevOps person that 
> takes care of the server-side and keep it running. 
>
> TiddlyWiki is a single html file, that imo easily can contain the text 
> content needed. ... Images should be "external", but that shouldn't be a 
> big problem with GitLab-pages. 
>
> Knowing that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 
>> full-time developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from 
>> the messy situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next 
>> to you installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, 
>> etc. 
>>
>
> In the OP you wrote, that you use Jira, to manage your code. In the 
> response above you wrote you have a GitLab business account ... So I'm a 
> bit confused. Both software stacks do similar things ... 
>
>  
>
>> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
>> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying 
>> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has 
>> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the 
>> applications with many installations.
>>
>
> I think that's a perfect match for a TW. 
>  
>
>>  This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private Wiki.
>>
>
> As I wrote, it may be possible, to create parts of the wiki automatically, 
> if you use a CI system. 
>
> BUT it would need a lot more info, what you *really* want. 
>
> --
>
> There is 1 question left: ... Is it your idea to create a knowledge base, 
> or does everyone desperately want it. IMO it's important that it's 
> sanctioned from the management. 
>
> -mario
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Debugging TiddlyWiki crashes

[Lisa Rowell]

Unfortunately I think I made the upgrade to 11.1 right about the time I 
upgraded TD, so I'm not sure where the instability worked its way in. 
Previous to that, TD was incredibly solid.
On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 6:53:17 AM UTC-8 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> Thank you that’s helpful. It’s only happened to me since upgrading to the 
> latest macOS 11.1 update, which seems to be causing similar problems for 
> other apps, which certainly drives my suspicions,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 29 Jan 2021, at 14:44, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, which isn't much I know, I've been using TD 14 on 
> Windows and Linux for the last 2 weeks or so. It's been very stable. This 
> suggests that the problem may be with some particular Mac component of 
> node, rather than the actual node version.
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 4:09:24 AM UTC-8 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Lisa
>>
>> I've been getting regular crashes of TiddlyDesktop 0.14 under MacOS 11.1 
>> and I'm wondering what information I can gather up to better report the 
>> issue. I don't get any kind of popup, the app just suddenly disappears. It 
>> doesn't appear to be tied to any particular action, having crashed during 
>> edits, or just scrolling around reading.
>>
>>
>> Exactly the same thing happened to me while editing a tiddler this week, 
>> also with v0.0.14 and macOS 11.1. Unnerving stuff as I’ve never previously 
>> seen a crash like that.
>>
>> I've found the following in /var/log/system.log, but I'm not sure where 
>> else to look.Jan 28 19:05:08 Lisas-MBP com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] 
>> (application.com.tiddlywiki.8617894281.8617894284[46836]): Service exited 
>> due to SIGSEGV | sent by exc handler[46836]
>>
>>
>> “SIGSEGV” is a fairly generic error that can’t normally be generated by 
>> JavaScript code, it must be some component of nwjs that is failing.
>>
>> I intend to update TiddlyDesktop to the latest version of nwjs soon which 
>> may ameliorate things. In these cases it would be useful to be able to 
>> periodically force an autosave while editing a draft, which I’ll have a 
>> look at too.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>> Jan 28 19:05:11 Lisas-MBP com.apple.xpc.launchd[1]: Coalition Cache Hit: 
>> app [37822]
>>
>> Jan 28 19:05:11 Lisas-MBP com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] 
>> (application.com.tiddlywiki.8617894281.8617894284[47535]): Service exited 
>> due to SIGSEGV | sent by exc handler[47535]
>>
>> Jan 28 19:05:27 Lisas-MBP com.apple.xpc.launchd[1]: Coalition Cache Hit: 
>> app [37822]
>> Often after a crash I'll go to restart and that will fail, I suspect the 
>> later lines are that happening.
>>
>> My wiki is based off of TW 5.1.22 and has 5,700 riddles. I keep documents 
>> and images in external files, so my wiki is not large at 8 MB with 11 GB of 
>> files.
>>
>> Any push in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>> Lisa.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[Ste]

Dare I utter the word.. Twederation? 
https://github.com/inmysocks/TW5-TWederation

On Saturday, 30 January 2021 at 17:05:25 UTC ludwa6 wrote:

> Hey @charlie: you may have lost a job, but i suspect your career is far 
> from over.  Tell ya what, mate: if you could tweak that ORM-ish TiddlyWiki 
> in such a way that users of your system documentation could easily 
> contribute edits or even comments-in-context, i suspect you would find the 
> sponsorship that you seek tout-de-suite!  ;-)
>
> /walt
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:36:48 PM UTC cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Holy moly, I am extremely emotional all of a sudden.
>>
>> In my 25-year career, unceremoniously terminated last December, I never 
>> felt anybody at any level up the chain really had any clue what kind of 
>> work I did.  It never mattered much because the job itself was 
>> oh-so-gratifying in every possible way, and my occasional celebratory 
>> self-pats on the back easily sustained me.
>>
>> I am not used to having any kind of recognition for "job well done", and 
>> definitely not in such a glowing way.  I am stunned, and that is just about 
>> the greatest gift anybody has ever given me.  In my French-Acadian way, I'd 
>> say the sensation is: "Taberslack! Tcheu moseusse de caresse!".  (i.e. 
>> "Wow!  That is some compliment!")
>>
>> So thank-you, big time.  (I've been busy polishing up my résumé and 
>> trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up.  I must get back to 
>> my "ORM-ish à la TiddlyWiki 
>> " 
>> project.)
>>
>> All of that aside: I was once told that I "coddled" my users too much.  
>> Well, take care of the little guys in the trenches (i.e. their needs), and 
>> you can take that hill.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:02:19 AM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> @charlie: clearly you speak as one who's been around this loop a good 
>>> few times already, and your advice about engaging a "lead visionary" 
>>> (custodian/ librarian/ evangelist) is right-on, IMHO.
>>>
>>> Moreover: I think that work you shared in an earlier thread 
>>>  is an 
>>> awe-inspiring display of mastery over a number of skill-sets that such a 
>>> project lead would do very well to have, including Information 
>>> Architecture, Relational Database Modelling, advanced TW5 interface design, 
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> All that being said: what you've built there is (to invoke ESR's 
>>> immortal metaphor) a Cathedral, not a Bazaar... And i wonder to what extent 
>>> such an application might serve the needs of users in the context that 
>>> Cedric describes. 
>>>
>>> Bottom line: i think Charlie's closing point is really the clincher: 
>>> whatever it is that users will actually find helpful (as indicated not by 
>>> what they say up front, but what they actually do after the fact!) is what 
>>> will carry the day.  So it is that i've had to swallow the bitter pill of 
>>> using Google Docs  vs Wiki for collaborative documentation-building so many 
>>> times already... (just thinking about it makes me wanna puke :-)
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 1:32:27 PM UTC work.ced...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I also would like to add that the backend developer wants to leave the 
 company and that I am new there so the solution that I am looking for 
 should be very easy to set up and use quickly. I hope that Tiddly will be 
 the right one. 

 Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 14:28:54 UTC+1, C J a écrit :

> Thank you for your answers! 
>
> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different 
> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git 
> sync 
> and I would need an example.
>
> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said 
> that it is difficult for a team. 
> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab 
> business account so I am not sure that it would be the solution.
>
> If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the 
> implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday.
>
> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. 
> Knowing that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 
> full-time developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from 
> the messy situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting 
> next 
> to you installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, 
> etc. 
>
> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time 
> trying 
> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he 
> has 
> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to 

Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[ludwa6]

Hey @charlie: you may have lost a job, but i suspect your career is far 
from over.  Tell ya what, mate: if you could tweak that ORM-ish TiddlyWiki 
in such a way that users of your system documentation could easily 
contribute edits or even comments-in-context, i suspect you would find the 
sponsorship that you seek tout-de-suite!  ;-)

/walt

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:36:48 PM UTC cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Holy moly, I am extremely emotional all of a sudden.
>
> In my 25-year career, unceremoniously terminated last December, I never 
> felt anybody at any level up the chain really had any clue what kind of 
> work I did.  It never mattered much because the job itself was 
> oh-so-gratifying in every possible way, and my occasional celebratory 
> self-pats on the back easily sustained me.
>
> I am not used to having any kind of recognition for "job well done", and 
> definitely not in such a glowing way.  I am stunned, and that is just about 
> the greatest gift anybody has ever given me.  In my French-Acadian way, I'd 
> say the sensation is: "Taberslack! Tcheu moseusse de caresse!".  (i.e. 
> "Wow!  That is some compliment!")
>
> So thank-you, big time.  (I've been busy polishing up my résumé and trying 
> to figure out what I want to be when I grow up.  I must get back to my 
> "ORM-ish 
> à la TiddlyWiki 
> " project.)
>
> All of that aside: I was once told that I "coddled" my users too much.  
> Well, take care of the little guys in the trenches (i.e. their needs), and 
> you can take that hill.
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:02:19 AM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> @charlie: clearly you speak as one who's been around this loop a good few 
>> times already, and your advice about engaging a "lead visionary" 
>> (custodian/ librarian/ evangelist) is right-on, IMHO.
>>
>> Moreover: I think that work you shared in an earlier thread 
>>  is an 
>> awe-inspiring display of mastery over a number of skill-sets that such a 
>> project lead would do very well to have, including Information 
>> Architecture, Relational Database Modelling, advanced TW5 interface design, 
>> etc.
>>
>> All that being said: what you've built there is (to invoke ESR's immortal 
>> metaphor) a Cathedral, not a Bazaar... And i wonder to what extent such an 
>> application might serve the needs of users in the context that Cedric 
>> describes. 
>>
>> Bottom line: i think Charlie's closing point is really the clincher: 
>> whatever it is that users will actually find helpful (as indicated not by 
>> what they say up front, but what they actually do after the fact!) is what 
>> will carry the day.  So it is that i've had to swallow the bitter pill of 
>> using Google Docs  vs Wiki for collaborative documentation-building so many 
>> times already... (just thinking about it makes me wanna puke :-)
>>
>> /walt
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 1:32:27 PM UTC work.ced...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I also would like to add that the backend developer wants to leave the 
>>> company and that I am new there so the solution that I am looking for 
>>> should be very easy to set up and use quickly. I hope that Tiddly will be 
>>> the right one. 
>>>
>>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 14:28:54 UTC+1, C J a écrit :
>>>
 Thank you for your answers! 

 I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different 
 aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git 
 sync 
 and I would need an example.

 However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said 
 that it is difficult for a team. 
 I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab 
 business account so I am not sure that it would be the solution.

 If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the 
 implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday.

 To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. Knowing 
 that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 full-time 
 developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from the messy 
 situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next to you 
 installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, etc. 

 This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
 company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time 
 trying 
 to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has 
 a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the 
 applications with many installations.

  This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private 
 Wiki.

 Best Regards.
 Cedric

 Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 13:57:48 UTC+1, flanc...@gmail.com a 
 écrit :

Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[ludwa6]

Given the breadth AND depth of experience being shared here, w/r/t both 
tech AND social engineering, i am encouraged to think that some viable 
solution(s) may well emerge for Cedric, maybe even generalisable to other 
UseCases in other non-software related domains.

For example: i created this site- valedalama.github.io -some months ago as 
a proof of concept, to test a few propositions:

   1. Can i put a site online that will serve a subset of content selected 
   for push from my TiddlyDesktop PIM, with the additional benefits of:
   2. Affordances for collaborative design/ discussion/ documentation;
   3. Version control & history;
   4. Industrial-grade hosting service, with good performance & backup; and
   5. Free & Open Source Software, from bottom to top.

What i got with this combo of TW + Github.io ticks all the boxes in 
principle, but in practice... I would have to say that,  while requirements 
3, 4 and 5 are passed with flying colours, req (1) involves a bit of clunky 
workflow that i could probably automate away -and would do, if i could only 
engage some players on my team to make this a win on point (2) as well, but 
sadly this has not happened. I've given colleagues the option to either (a) 
use Github affordances for issue-tracking and/or discussion; (b) edit 
individual tiddlers to merge via pull-request, or else (c) just download 
index.html, edit in your browser and email back to me, but it seems these 
are all a step too far to ask.  

Of course: this little proof-of-concept doesn't yet hold a lot of USEFUL 
content (maybe your situation as well, @finn?)... and it IS perhaps too 
much to ask of people who work primarily in the field and not online.  Yet 
they do seem to love their Google Docs, so... go figure! 

Still, i have to wonder: given the hooks of which PMario speaks, which Finn 
seems to be using to some extent, surely there must be other TW sites out 
there in Github.io and/or GitLab land that we might look to for some 
insight -yes?

/walt

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:54:28 PM UTC PMario wrote:

> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:28:54 PM UTC+1 work.ced...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different 
>> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync 
>> and I would need an example.
>>
>> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said 
>> that it is difficult for a team. 
>> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? 
>>
>
> Yes. BUT I think it only works for _public_ content and I doubt that's 
> what you want.
>  
>
>> We use a private GitLab business account so I am not sure that it would 
>> be the solution.
>>
>
> We (TW) do have a GitLab saver and GitLab also has a "pages" option. 
>
> ... But if you use GitLab and the CI/CD elements, it will also be possible 
> to dynamically create "parts" or "all" of the wiki content in a "scripted" 
> way. You only would need to "compile" the wiki after a commit is made, or 
> may be if you TAG a software version. 
>
> BUT ... This would be the second step of the game. 
>
> In the OP you wrote that some of the "maintainers" of the wiki sit in the 
> same room. .. So "locking" the wiki would be simple. Just ask the others to 
> save their wiki, if they are editing it. ... I know that this is far from 
> perfect, but if you are at the same place -- it's simple. 
>
> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra.
>>
>
> I think the only "fair" comparison would be with Bookstack, since it can 
> be "self-hosted" and is open-source. All the others are proprietary 
> products.
>
> But I think you did land here at the TW group, because it can be a "single 
> page" wiki, that can be stored alongside 1 project, with no extra 
> dependencies. For Bookstack, imo you will need your own DevOps person that 
> takes care of the server-side and keep it running. 
>
> TiddlyWiki is a single html file, that imo easily can contain the text 
> content needed. ... Images should be "external", but that shouldn't be a 
> big problem with GitLab-pages. 
>
> Knowing that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 
>> full-time developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from 
>> the messy situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next 
>> to you installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, 
>> etc. 
>>
>
> In the OP you wrote, that you use Jira, to manage your code. In the 
> response above you wrote you have a GitLab business account ... So I'm a 
> bit confused. Both software stacks do similar things ... 
>
>  
>
>> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
>> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying 
>> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has 
>> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the 
>> applications with many installations.
>>
>
> I think that's 

[tw5] Re: [ANN] Notebook theme v1.4.0 is out!

[Michael Wiktowy]

I personally think that announcements are appropriate here and keeping them 
in separate thread allows feedback per version and people can pay attention 
to them if they are interested. Old threads/versions will naturally sink to 
the bottom of the archives.

Having said that, some feedback:
* It appears that the additional sidebars are missing their tab labels 
unless the caption field is set. I would expect the behaviour to be like 
default where if caption is missing, it uses the tiddler title as a tab 
label.
* Wikitext is ignored in the sidebar. I use "!!" to provide headers and 
your theme seems to ignore that (but does render toc macros properly). Is 
there a way to re-enable this wikifying of that text?

Thanks for the nice clean theme ... it is really attractive and useful.

/Mike

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 4:39:55 PM UTC-4 Nicolas Petton wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm happy to announce the release of Notebook v1.4.0!
>
> You can install/upgrade from
>
> https://nicolas.petton.fr/tw/notebook.html
>
> Here the changelog:
>
> Features
>
> * New redesigned topbar layout
> * Add a configuration setting for the story width
> * Add support for keyboard navigation in the search dropdown
>
> PS: Please let me know if you feel I'm spamming the mailing-list with
> all the Notebook/Projectify release emails, I could keep them in a
> single thread, or just emails only when a major release is out.
>
> Cheers,
> Nico
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[PMario]

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:28:54 PM UTC+1 work.ced...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different aforementioned 
> plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync and I would 
> need an example.
>
> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said that 
> it is difficult for a team. 
> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? 
>

Yes. BUT I think it only works for _public_ content and I doubt that's what 
you want.
 

> We use a private GitLab business account so I am not sure that it would be 
> the solution.
>

We (TW) do have a GitLab saver and GitLab also has a "pages" option. 

... But if you use GitLab and the CI/CD elements, it will also be possible 
to dynamically create "parts" or "all" of the wiki content in a "scripted" 
way. You only would need to "compile" the wiki after a commit is made, or 
may be if you TAG a software version. 

BUT ... This would be the second step of the game. 

In the OP you wrote that some of the "maintainers" of the wiki sit in the 
same room. .. So "locking" the wiki would be simple. Just ask the others to 
save their wiki, if they are editing it. ... I know that this is far from 
perfect, but if you are at the same place -- it's simple. 

To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra.
>

I think the only "fair" comparison would be with Bookstack, since it can be 
"self-hosted" and is open-source. All the others are proprietary products.

But I think you did land here at the TW group, because it can be a "single 
page" wiki, that can be stored alongside 1 project, with no extra 
dependencies. For Bookstack, imo you will need your own DevOps person that 
takes care of the server-side and keep it running. 

TiddlyWiki is a single html file, that imo easily can contain the text 
content needed. ... Images should be "external", but that shouldn't be a 
big problem with GitLab-pages. 

Knowing that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 
> full-time developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from 
> the messy situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next 
> to you installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, 
> etc. 
>

In the OP you wrote, that you use Jira, to manage your code. In the 
response above you wrote you have a GitLab business account ... So I'm a 
bit confused. Both software stacks do similar things ... 

 

> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying 
> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has 
> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the 
> applications with many installations.
>

I think that's a perfect match for a TW. 
 

>  This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private Wiki.
>

As I wrote, it may be possible, to create parts of the wiki automatically, 
if you use a CI system. 

BUT it would need a lot more info, what you *really* want. 

--

There is 1 question left: ... Is it your idea to create a knowledge base, 
or does everyone desperately want it. IMO it's important that it's 
sanctioned from the management. 

-mario


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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[Finn Lancaster]

@ludwa6 asked for a bit of explanation of sorts for my wiki site, so here
it is:

Although it is still in its infancy, a fact @ludwa6 pointed out, my wiki
seeks to be a collaborative collection of programs people have made, as
well as explanations and ideas for new programs and techniques. Right now,
there are very few contributions, so I’m mainly trying to advertise/build
the site base. It is my hope to build the next Wikipedia for coding: where
anyone can add, edit, or share programming ideas, build them, or work with
other members to make them. After this, and a few site requests I’ve
received, I will probably add a documentation/developer page to the site
main at www.finnsoftware.net, but for now upcoming changes are posted at
the “Coming Soon!” page.

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 8:31 AM ludwa6  wrote:

> Interesting, @finn, your 2nd point, as yours
>  is the first example of TW5 that i have
> seen which actually enables collaborative editing (albeit in a simple form,
> and not without some hiccups
>  :-). Though it
> appears to be in its infancy, i would be interested (as would others here i
> suspect, it being so relevant to this topic) to hear in a bit more depth
> about the form(s) of collaboration your site aims to support, since it is
> not yet very well elaborated in-context.
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 12:57:48 PM UTC flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most
>> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a
>> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a
>> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For
>> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve
>> removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find
>> them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core
>> vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and
>> hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone
>> attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing
>> needed to do all of this correctly is patience.
>>
>> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric
>> would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted
>> on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully
>> collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again
>> would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric
>> if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a
>> little bit of testing for this purpose.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Finn Lancaster
>>  Software Developer finnsoftware.net
>>  Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net
>>
>
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe  wrote:
>>
>>> ludwa6:
>>>
>>> Thanks for you post.  It resonated with me since its insights are
>>> consistent with me experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>
>> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a
 problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i
 resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm
 really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a
 UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes.

 Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity
 management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally
 settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to
 deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient
 traction to warrant its continued maintenance.

 My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of
 the very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an
 extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's
 "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5)
 accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.
 Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up
 the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all
 have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie,
 when he talks about the shift that we'll see
 
 in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of
 Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image.  With granular
 content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game.
 Question 

[tw5] Re: A "Who am I?" game template

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ha! Great stuff!

On Question  5...

*Question 5 / 5:* *I had a dream.* 

They ALL did except the whale *(and it may have; who knows its porpoise in 
life?) *

Seriously. A nice work.

Best wishes
TT
On Saturday, 30 January 2021 at 15:45:37 UTC+1 Erwan wrote:

>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Sharing this little "Who Am I?" game template that I did: 
> https://erwanm.github.io/TW-WhoAmIGame/
>
> The idea is that you can replace the questions and answers with your own, 
> and the questions appear in random order with a list of randomly selected 
> possible answers. 
>
> I had this idea around Christmas as a way to replace the traditional 
> gathering we normally have with my extended family (that's almost 40 people 
> with all my cousins' children). So I asked every family member to send me 3 
> to 5 questions and a couple pictures (parents doing it for their young 
> children, of course), then I put all of these in the wiki and I sent the 
> resulting game to everyone. Most people in my family enjoyed it, they even 
> had fun preparing the questions and later actually playing the game.
>
> Cheers
> Erwan
>

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[tw5] A "Who am I?" game template

[Erwan]

Hi everybody,

Sharing this little "Who Am I?" game template that I did: 
https://erwanm.github.io/TW-WhoAmIGame/

The idea is that you can replace the questions and answers with your own, 
and the questions appear in random order with a list of randomly selected 
possible answers. 

I had this idea around Christmas as a way to replace the traditional 
gathering we normally have with my extended family (that's almost 40 people 
with all my cousins' children). So I asked every family member to send me 3 
to 5 questions and a couple pictures (parents doing it for their young 
children, of course), then I put all of these in the wiki and I sent the 
resulting game to everyone. Most people in my family enjoyed it, they even 
had fun preparing the questions and later actually playing the game.

Cheers
Erwan

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[Charlie Veniot]

Holy moly, I am extremely emotional all of a sudden.

In my 25-year career, unceremoniously terminated last December, I never 
felt anybody at any level up the chain really had any clue what kind of 
work I did.  It never mattered much because the job itself was 
oh-so-gratifying in every possible way, and my occasional celebratory 
self-pats on the back easily sustained me.

I am not used to having any kind of recognition for "job well done", and 
definitely not in such a glowing way.  I am stunned, and that is just about 
the greatest gift anybody has ever given me.  In my French-Acadian way, I'd 
say the sensation is: "Taberslack! Tcheu moseusse de caresse!".  (i.e. 
"Wow!  That is some compliment!")

So thank-you, big time.  (I've been busy polishing up my résumé and trying 
to figure out what I want to be when I grow up.  I must get back to my "ORM-ish 
à la TiddlyWiki 
" project.)

All of that aside: I was once told that I "coddled" my users too much.  
Well, take care of the little guys in the trenches (i.e. their needs), and 
you can take that hill.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:02:19 AM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote:

> @charlie: clearly you speak as one who's been around this loop a good few 
> times already, and your advice about engaging a "lead visionary" 
> (custodian/ librarian/ evangelist) is right-on, IMHO.
>
> Moreover: I think that work you shared in an earlier thread 
>  is an 
> awe-inspiring display of mastery over a number of skill-sets that such a 
> project lead would do very well to have, including Information 
> Architecture, Relational Database Modelling, advanced TW5 interface design, 
> etc.
>
> All that being said: what you've built there is (to invoke ESR's immortal 
> metaphor) a Cathedral, not a Bazaar... And i wonder to what extent such an 
> application might serve the needs of users in the context that Cedric 
> describes. 
>
> Bottom line: i think Charlie's closing point is really the clincher: 
> whatever it is that users will actually find helpful (as indicated not by 
> what they say up front, but what they actually do after the fact!) is what 
> will carry the day.  So it is that i've had to swallow the bitter pill of 
> using Google Docs  vs Wiki for collaborative documentation-building so many 
> times already... (just thinking about it makes me wanna puke :-)
>
> /walt
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 1:32:27 PM UTC work.ced...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I also would like to add that the backend developer wants to leave the 
>> company and that I am new there so the solution that I am looking for 
>> should be very easy to set up and use quickly. I hope that Tiddly will be 
>> the right one. 
>>
>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 14:28:54 UTC+1, C J a écrit :
>>
>>> Thank you for your answers! 
>>>
>>> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different 
>>> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync 
>>> and I would need an example.
>>>
>>> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said 
>>> that it is difficult for a team. 
>>> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab business 
>>> account so I am not sure that it would be the solution.
>>>
>>> If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the 
>>> implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday.
>>>
>>> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. Knowing 
>>> that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 full-time 
>>> developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from the messy 
>>> situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next to you 
>>> installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, etc. 
>>>
>>> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
>>> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying 
>>> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has 
>>> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the 
>>> applications with many installations.
>>>
>>>  This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private Wiki.
>>>
>>> Best Regards.
>>> Cedric
>>>
>>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 13:57:48 UTC+1, flanc...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>>
 @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most 
 definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a 
 great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a 
 group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For 
 example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve 
 removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find 
 them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core 
 vitals” of 

Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[ludwa6]

@charlie: clearly you speak as one who's been around this loop a good few 
times already, and your advice about engaging a "lead visionary" 
(custodian/ librarian/ evangelist) is right-on, IMHO.

Moreover: I think that work you shared in an earlier thread 
 is an 
awe-inspiring display of mastery over a number of skill-sets that such a 
project lead would do very well to have, including Information 
Architecture, Relational Database Modelling, advanced TW5 interface design, 
etc.

All that being said: what you've built there is (to invoke ESR's immortal 
metaphor) a Cathedral, not a Bazaar... And i wonder to what extent such an 
application might serve the needs of users in the context that Cedric 
describes. 

Bottom line: i think Charlie's closing point is really the clincher: 
whatever it is that users will actually find helpful (as indicated not by 
what they say up front, but what they actually do after the fact!) is what 
will carry the day.  So it is that i've had to swallow the bitter pill of 
using Google Docs  vs Wiki for collaborative documentation-building so many 
times already... (just thinking about it makes me wanna puke :-)

/walt

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 1:32:27 PM UTC work.ced...@gmail.com wrote:

> I also would like to add that the backend developer wants to leave the 
> company and that I am new there so the solution that I am looking for 
> should be very easy to set up and use quickly. I hope that Tiddly will be 
> the right one. 
>
> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 14:28:54 UTC+1, C J a écrit :
>
>> Thank you for your answers! 
>>
>> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different 
>> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync 
>> and I would need an example.
>>
>> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said 
>> that it is difficult for a team. 
>> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab business 
>> account so I am not sure that it would be the solution.
>>
>> If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the 
>> implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday.
>>
>> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. Knowing 
>> that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 full-time 
>> developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from the messy 
>> situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next to you 
>> installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, etc. 
>>
>> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
>> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying 
>> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has 
>> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the 
>> applications with many installations.
>>
>>  This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private Wiki.
>>
>> Best Regards.
>> Cedric
>>
>> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 13:57:48 UTC+1, flanc...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>
>>> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most 
>>> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a 
>>> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a 
>>> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For 
>>> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve 
>>> removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find 
>>> them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core 
>>> vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and 
>>> hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone 
>>> attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing 
>>> needed to do all of this correctly is patience. 
>>>
>>> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which 
>>> Cedric would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki 
>>> hosted on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it 
>>> fully collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one 
>>> again would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to 
>>> Cedric if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that 
>>> has a little bit of testing for this purpose. 
>>>
>>> Regards, 
>>>  Finn Lancaster
>>>  Software Developer finnsoftware.net 
>>>  Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe  wrote:
>>>
 ludwa6:

 Thanks for you post.  It resonated with me since its insights are 
 consistent with me experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link

 Regards,
 Hans


 On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:

>>> The 

Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[C J]

I also would like to add that the backend developer wants to leave the 
company and that I am new there so the solution that I am looking for 
should be very easy to set up and use quickly. I hope that Tiddly will be 
the right one. 

Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 14:28:54 UTC+1, C J a écrit :

> Thank you for your answers! 
>
> I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different 
> aforementioned plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync 
> and I would need an example.
>
> However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said that 
> it is difficult for a team. 
> I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab business 
> account so I am not sure that it would be the solution.
>
> If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the 
> implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday.
>
> To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. Knowing 
> that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 full-time 
> developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from the messy 
> situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next to you 
> installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, etc. 
>
> This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the 
> company the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying 
> to set up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has 
> a lot of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the 
> applications with many installations.
>
>  This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private Wiki.
>
> Best Regards.
> Cedric
>
> Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 13:57:48 UTC+1, flanc...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
>> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most 
>> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a 
>> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a 
>> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For 
>> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve 
>> removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find 
>> them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core 
>> vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and 
>> hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone 
>> attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing 
>> needed to do all of this correctly is patience. 
>>
>> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric 
>> would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted 
>> on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully 
>> collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again 
>> would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric 
>> if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a 
>> little bit of testing for this purpose. 
>>
>> Regards, 
>>  Finn Lancaster
>>  Software Developer finnsoftware.net 
>>  Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net 
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe  wrote:
>>
>>> ludwa6:
>>>
>>> Thanks for you post.  It resonated with me since its insights are 
>>> consistent with me experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>>
>> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a 
 problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i 
 resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm 
 really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a 
 UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. 

 Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity 
 management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally 
 settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to 
 deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient 
 traction to warrant its continued maintenance. 

 My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of 
 the very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an 
 extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, 
 it's 
 "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) 
 accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.  
 Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up 
 the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we 
 all 
 have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, 
 

Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[ludwa6]

Interesting, @finn, your 2nd point, as yours 
 is the first example of TW5 that i have 
seen which actually enables collaborative editing (albeit in a simple form, 
and not without some hiccups 
 :-). Though it appears 
to be in its infancy, i would be interested (as would others here i 
suspect, it being so relevant to this topic) to hear in a bit more depth 
about the form(s) of collaboration your site aims to support, since it is 
not yet very well elaborated in-context.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 12:57:48 PM UTC flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most 
> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a 
> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a 
> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For 
> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve 
> removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find 
> them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core 
> vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and 
> hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone 
> attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing 
> needed to do all of this correctly is patience. 
>
> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric 
> would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted 
> on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully 
> collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again 
> would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric 
> if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a 
> little bit of testing for this purpose. 
>
> Regards, 
>  Finn Lancaster
>  Software Developer finnsoftware.net 
>  Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net 
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe  wrote:
>
>> ludwa6:
>>
>> Thanks for you post.  It resonated with me since its insights are 
>> consistent with me experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a 
>>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i 
>>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm 
>>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a 
>>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. 
>>>
>>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity 
>>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally 
>>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to 
>>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient 
>>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. 
>>>
>>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the 
>>> very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an 
>>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's 
>>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) 
>>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.  
>>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up 
>>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all 
>>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, 
>>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of 
>>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image.  With granular 
>>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game.  
>>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a 
>>> really good collaborative one?
>>>
>>> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really is.  
>>> To that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to collaborative 
>>> software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are open for us all to 
>>> explore?  (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open to edits by all 
>>> that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only by virtue of 
>>> its army of dedicated editors!)
>>>
>>> /walt
>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité  (fraternité 
 TiddlyWiki?  Pshiu ... boom.)

 I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for 
 just about anything.  Even if 

Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[Charlie Veniot]

This is a really great thread o' discussion.

Just to follow-up on all of the latest contributions:

Although I've never played with it, I'm pretty sure, for TiddlyWiki *team* 
play , you'll want to get your hands on TW5-SingleExecutable by Jed Carty 
.

And you'll probably want to volunteer a lead "visionary" in the team to act 
as TiddlyWiki custodian/librarian/evangelist.

I tend to see your project very much like a software development project, 
but mostly all about gathering requirements and prototyping, all about 
assessing needs.  (I get right giddy about those activities.  So much fun 
!!!)

What I have seen in software development, you often have higher up folk who 
want certain information, and applications get created for staff to enter 
data with the goal of providing management with the information management 
needs. 

Staff often wind up in the unenviable position of experiencing use of the 
system as "extra work", and the system to be used because "somebody said 
so."   Yuck.

To me, and right out of the gate, any thing created for people to use needs 
to provide immediate benefit to those people.  It has to be something that 
isn't "extra work", but rather something that provides value to each one of 
them.  When you take care of the little dimes, the dollars take care of 
themselves, in a way.

So whatever the "big goal/purpose", it can be much easier to get there when 
other "little goals/purposes" are supported first as something that leads 
to success with the meatier goal.

Now, I have not yet had my first cup of morning coffee.  Please take all of 
that philosophical mumbo-jumbo of mine with a bucket of salt.


On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 8:57:48 AM UTC-4 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most 
> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a 
> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a 
> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For 
> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve 
> removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find 
> them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core 
> vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and 
> hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone 
> attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing 
> needed to do all of this correctly is patience. 
>
> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric 
> would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted 
> on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully 
> collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again 
> would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric 
> if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a 
> little bit of testing for this purpose. 
>
> Regards, 
>  Finn Lancaster
>  Software Developer finnsoftware.net 
>  Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net 
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe  wrote:
>
>> ludwa6:
>>
>> Thanks for you post.  It resonated with me since its insights are 
>> consistent with me experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a 
>>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i 
>>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm 
>>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a 
>>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. 
>>>
>>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity 
>>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally 
>>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to 
>>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient 
>>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. 
>>>
>>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the 
>>> very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an 
>>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's 
>>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) 
>>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.  
>>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up 
>>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all 
>>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, 
>>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see 
>>> 

Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[C J]

Thank you for your answers! 

I am interested in the git synchronisation and the different aforementioned 
plugins and approaches. I do not know how to do the git sync and I would 
need an example.

However, I would like to make it collaborative. Ludwa06 and Finn said that 
it is difficult for a team. 
I do not know GitHub pages. Is it free? We use a private GitLab business 
account so I am not sure that it would be the solution.

If you could provide me with a recipe to use it like Finn with the 
implementation of Charlie and Sylvain's ideas I will try it on Monday.

To be honest I will compare it to Notion, Bookstack and Tettra. Knowing 
that we are a very small company (14 employees including 4 full-time 
developers) I have to find a free solution while escaping from the messy 
situation where nobody knows how the guy who is just sitting next to you 
installs software, runs programs, writes his code and deploys it, etc. 

This situation has consequences: if someone is absent or leaves the company 
the onboarding is very hard. Last Monday I spend all my time trying to set 
up a program. Finally, on Tuesday its developer told me that he has a lot 
of steps to explain to me, that I have to follow to start the applications 
with many installations.

 This is my case and the reason for what I am looking for a private Wiki.

Best Regards.
Cedric

Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 13:57:48 UTC+1, flanc...@gmail.com a écrit :

> @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most 
> definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a 
> great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a 
> group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For 
> example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve 
> removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find 
> them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core 
> vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and 
> hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone 
> attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing 
> needed to do all of this correctly is patience. 
>
> The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric 
> would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted 
> on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully 
> collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again 
> would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric 
> if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a 
> little bit of testing for this purpose. 
>
> Regards, 
>  Finn Lancaster
>  Software Developer finnsoftware.net 
>  Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net 
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe  wrote:
>
>> ludwa6:
>>
>> Thanks for you post.  It resonated with me since its insights are 
>> consistent with me experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a 
>>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i 
>>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm 
>>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a 
>>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. 
>>>
>>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity 
>>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally 
>>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to 
>>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient 
>>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. 
>>>
>>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the 
>>> very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an 
>>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's 
>>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) 
>>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.  
>>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up 
>>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all 
>>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, 
>>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of 
>>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image.  With granular 
>>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game.  
>>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that 

Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[Finn Lancaster]

@ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most
definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a
great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a
group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For
example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve
removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find
them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core
vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and
hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone
attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing
needed to do all of this correctly is patience.

The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric
would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted
on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully
collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again
would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric
if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a
little bit of testing for this purpose.

Regards,
 Finn Lancaster
 Software Developer finnsoftware.net
 Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe  wrote:

> ludwa6:
>
> Thanks for you post.  It resonated with me since its insights are
> consistent with me experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a
>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i
>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm
>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a
>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes.
>>
>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity
>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally
>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to
>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient
>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance.
>>
>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the
>> very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an
>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's
>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5)
>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.
>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up
>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all
>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie,
>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see
>> 
>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of
>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image.  With granular
>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game.
>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a
>> really good collaborative one?
>>
>> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really is.
>> To that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to collaborative
>> software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are open for us all to
>> explore?  (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open to edits by all
>> that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only by virtue of
>> its army of dedicated editors!)
>>
>> /walt
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité  (fraternité
>>> TiddlyWiki?  Pshiu ... boom.)
>>>
>>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for just
>>> about anything.  Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for the job,
>>> you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of having
>>> better figured out your needs/requirements.
>>>
>>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas.  Don't let
>>> yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure."  Avoid
>>> "structure block"  (like writer's block), and just get to writing.  Let
>>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and try
>>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> It might take time to get everything jst right, but it will fit you
>>> and your crew perfectly.  The option is a "canned" solution with
>>> 

[tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[Hans Wobbe]

Thanks for your post.  It resonated with me since its insights are 
consistent with my experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link

Regards,
Hans

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:

> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a 
> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i 
> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm 
> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a 
> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. 
>
> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity 
> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally 
> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to 
> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient 
> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. 
>
> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the 
> very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an 
> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's 
> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) 
> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.  
> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up 
> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all 
> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, 
> when he talks about the shift that we'll see 
> 
>  
> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of 
> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image.  With granular 
> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game.  
> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a 
> really good collaborative one?
>
> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really is.  To 
> that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to collaborative 
> software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are open for us all to 
> explore?  (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open to edits by all 
> that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only by virtue of 
> its army of dedicated editors!)
>
> /walt
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité  (fraternité 
>> TiddlyWiki?  Pshiu ... boom.)
>>
>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for just 
>> about anything.  Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for the job, 
>> you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of having 
>> better figured out your needs/requirements.
>>
>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas.  Don't let 
>> yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure."  Avoid 
>> "structure block"  (like writer's block), and just get to writing.  Let 
>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and try 
>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> It might take time to get everything jst right, but it will fit you 
>> and your crew perfectly.  The option is a "canned" solution with 
>> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and your 
>> crew to adapt to the solution.  (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible 
>> solution to my quirky self.)
>>
>> Rock'n roll !
>>
>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 work.ced...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everybody.
>>>
>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a very 
>>> small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared between 
>>> people who yet work in the same room and I want to start documenting 
>>> projects and applications while managing updates and versions. 
>>>
>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we cannot 
>>> afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source wikimedia like 
>>> or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered Tiddly. 
>>>
>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me?
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>>> Cedric J. 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[Hans Wobbe]

ludwa6:

Thanks for you post.  It resonated with me since its insights are 
consistent with me experience.  I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link

Regards,
Hans


On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote:

> The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a 
> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i 
> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm 
> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a 
> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. 
>
> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity 
> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally 
> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to 
> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient 
> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. 
>
> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the 
> very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an 
> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's 
> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) 
> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.  
> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up 
> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all 
> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, 
> when he talks about the shift that we'll see 
> 
>  
> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of 
> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image.  With granular 
> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game.  
> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a 
> really good collaborative one?
>
> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really is.  To 
> that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to collaborative 
> software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are open for us all to 
> explore?  (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open to edits by all 
> that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only by virtue of 
> its army of dedicated editors!)
>
> /walt
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité  (fraternité 
>> TiddlyWiki?  Pshiu ... boom.)
>>
>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for just 
>> about anything.  Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for the job, 
>> you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of having 
>> better figured out your needs/requirements.
>>
>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas.  Don't let 
>> yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure."  Avoid 
>> "structure block"  (like writer's block), and just get to writing.  Let 
>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and try 
>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> It might take time to get everything jst right, but it will fit you 
>> and your crew perfectly.  The option is a "canned" solution with 
>> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and your 
>> crew to adapt to the solution.  (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible 
>> solution to my quirky self.)
>>
>> Rock'n roll !
>>
>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 work.ced...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everybody.
>>>
>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a very 
>>> small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared between 
>>> people who yet work in the same room and I want to start documenting 
>>> projects and applications while managing updates and versions. 
>>>
>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we cannot 
>>> afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source wikimedia like 
>>> or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered Tiddly. 
>>>
>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me?
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>>> Cedric J. 
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Setting to define additional system prefix?

[TW Tones]

One way is to modify the  what *is excluded from the default sidebar search 
results  *
Just add an additional filter like !prefix[#:/]


Tones
On Saturday, 30 January 2021 at 20:49:50 UTC+11 amreus wrote:

> I guess mainly I'd like to define a character sequence that, when used as 
> a title prefix, is excluded from the default sidebar search results. The 
> rest I can do with filters. 
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 11:25:58 PM UTC-5 PMario wrote:
>
>> hmm, 
>> The problem would be, that you can't see and open a tiddler that, if it 
>> would be invisible for every internal filter. 
>> How do you want to edit them? .. What if you saved a tiddler with a typo 
>> in the title. It would be impossible to find it again.
>>
>> Could you describe your usecase a little bit closer? 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Bag Tag?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ste wrote:

> Bags and recipe's?! 


*Take a lightly toasted Gucci and add basil in a marinate :-) .*

More seriously, PMario points to a good, still present, (compatability) 
mechanism in TW for saving wiki.

TT

 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[ludwa6]

The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a 
problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i 
resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm 
really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a 
UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. 

Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity 
management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally 
settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to 
deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient 
traction to warrant its continued maintenance. 

My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the 
very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an 
extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's 
"InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) 
accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc.  
Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up 
the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all 
have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, 
when he talks about the shift that we'll see 

 
in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of 
Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image.  With granular 
content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game.  
Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a 
really good collaborative one?

SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really is.  To 
that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to collaborative 
software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are open for us all to 
explore?  (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open to edits by all 
that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only by virtue of 
its army of dedicated editors!)

/walt
On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote:

> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité  (fraternité TiddlyWiki?  
> Pshiu ... boom.)
>
> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for just 
> about anything.  Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for the job, 
> you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of having 
> better figured out your needs/requirements.
>
> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas.  Don't let 
> yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure."  Avoid 
> "structure block"  (like writer's block), and just get to writing.  Let 
> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and try 
> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach 
> 
> .
>
> It might take time to get everything jst right, but it will fit you 
> and your crew perfectly.  The option is a "canned" solution with 
> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and your 
> crew to adapt to the solution.  (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible 
> solution to my quirky self.)
>
> Rock'n roll !
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 work.ced...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody.
>>
>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a very 
>> small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company.
>>
>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared between 
>> people who yet work in the same room and I want to start documenting 
>> projects and applications while managing updates and versions. 
>>
>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we cannot 
>> afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source wikimedia like 
>> or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered Tiddly. 
>>
>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me?
>>
>> Best regards.
>> Cedric J. 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Setting to define additional system prefix?

[amreus]

I guess mainly I'd like to define a character sequence that, when used as a 
title prefix, is excluded from the default sidebar search results. The rest 
I can do with filters. 




On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 11:25:58 PM UTC-5 PMario wrote:

> hmm, 
> The problem would be, that you can't see and open a tiddler that, if it 
> would be invisible for every internal filter. 
> How do you want to edit them? .. What if you saved a tiddler with a typo 
> in the title. It would be impossible to find it again.
>
> Could you describe your usecase a little bit closer? 
>
> -mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddly as a knowledge base alternative to Jira and Wikimedia or blogs for software technical deocumentation

[Sylvain Naudin]

Bonjour Cédric,
@Charlie : je valide le jeu de mot ^-^'

No doubt that Mohammad's Shiraz plugin will be useful for you to format the 
documentation.
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/

I don't use it personally, but everyone says good things about it :)

At the office I use my own version (even if it is not perfect) with the 
styles of Minstyle.io (https://silvyn.github.io/tw-minstyle/).
(it's not a collaborative wiki, just an extension of my brain to document 
projects).


Sylvain
(if you don't see forum.tiddlywiki.fr, you're welcome !)

Le samedi 30 janvier 2021 à 04:11:43 UTC+1, Charlie Veniot a écrit :

> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité  (fraternité TiddlyWiki?  
> Pshiu ... boom.)
>
> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for just 
> about anything.  Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for the job, 
> you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of having 
> better figured out your needs/requirements.
>
> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas.  Don't let 
> yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure."  Avoid 
> "structure block"  (like writer's block), and just get to writing.  Let 
> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and try 
> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach 
> 
> .
>
> It might take time to get everything jst right, but it will fit you 
> and your crew perfectly.  The option is a "canned" solution with 
> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and your 
> crew to adapt to the solution.  (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible 
> solution to my quirky self.)
>
> Rock'n roll !
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 work.ced...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody.
>>
>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a very 
>> small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company.
>>
>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared between 
>> people who yet work in the same room and I want to start documenting 
>> projects and applications while managing updates and versions. 
>>
>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we cannot 
>> afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source wikimedia like 
>> or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered Tiddly. 
>>
>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me?
>>
>> Best regards.
>> Cedric J. 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Bag Tag?

[Ste]

Bags and recipe's?! 

On Saturday, 30 January 2021 at 04:49:24 UTC PMario wrote:

> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 8:13:41 PM UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> PMario wrote:
>>
>>> The "bag - field" is internally used by the TiddlyWeb adaptor. ... 
>>> "bags" and "recipes" where used by TiddlySpace, which doesn't exist 
>>> anymore. .. 
>>>
>>
>> Ha! I just tried adding a field called "*bag*" to a TW in the editor. It 
>> won't accept it. I assume we are honoring TiddlySpace legacy in that 
>> behavior?
>>
>
> Not really. ... The "bag" and "recipe" mechanism is still a valid concept 
> that works with the right backend. ... and it works with TW5. So it's there 
> for compatibility reasons. 
> -mario
>
>
>

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