Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-10 Thread Birthe C
Hi Tobias,
Hilarious.
If someone offered me surkål I would prefer the fish.


Birthe


On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 2:15:47 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:

 That Sauerkraut thing is really catching on...

   Sauerkraut in your head? Organize!  
   tiddlywiki.com

   Sauerkraut im Kopf? Aufräumen!  
   tiddlywiki.com

   Choucroute dans la tête? Range!  
   tiddlywiki.com
  
   Choucrut en tu cabeza? Arregla!  
   tiddlywiki.com

   Salcrauti nella testa? Ordina!  
   tiddlywiki.com

 :D

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-10 Thread Alberto Molina
In proper French : De la choucroute dans la tête? Rangez-la ! :)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-10 Thread Tobias Beer
That Sauerkraut thing is really catching on...

  Sauerkraut in your head? Organize!  
  tiddlywiki.com

  Sauerkraut im Kopf? Aufräumen!  
  tiddlywiki.com

  Choucroute dans la tête? Range!  
  tiddlywiki.com
 
  Choucrut en tu cabeza? Arregla!  
  tiddlywiki.com

  Salcrauti nella testa? Ordina!  
  tiddlywiki.com

:D

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-09 Thread Alex Hough
Mario,

Do Austrians have their own Sourkraut?

I am a huge fan, love it with spaghetti Bolognese - German and Italian
ideas combined in English style.

best

Alex

On 9 January 2015 at 14:01, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 2:50:17 PM UTC+1, Mat wrote:



 Sauerkraut im Kopf? Frei*
 tiddlywiki.com


 :))

 I was thinking about, to create a Bavarian translation for TW. ... but I'm
 7 km away from the border on the Austrian side. ... So our dialect is
 already different. .. We don't have the oa sound :) ...

 While it wouldn't make much sense. It would be nice for German TW
 presentations :)

 -m

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-09 Thread Mat
Tobias Beer wrote:

 I think I might be creating a German version for this...


You are clearly in need of my expertise here:

Sauerkraut im Kopf? Frei*
tiddlywiki.com 

This is my final version. Earlier drafts included Wienerschnitzel but it 
made me hungry. Plus if you get Sauerkraut on your Kopf then you *cannot 
avoid noticing* it! This is a key selling point. I'm sure some here would 
like to wipe it off but DON'T. Wear it proudly and we will attract both 
Bavaria and Preussen to tiddlywiki. Or TiddliViki as they call it. Achtung!

:-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-09 Thread PMario
On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 2:50:17 PM UTC+1, Mat wrote:



 Sauerkraut im Kopf? Frei*
 tiddlywiki.com 


:))

I was thinking about, to create a Bavarian translation for TW. ... but I'm 
7 km away from the border on the Austrian side. ... So our dialect is 
already different. .. We don't have the oa sound :) ... 

While it wouldn't make much sense. It would be nice for German TW 
presentations :)

-m

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Mat
The 100th post probably triggered it. Or maybe Sergey and Brin have had it 
and want to take this to the printers now! Like I do. It's ready for print. 
Starting monday I'll put these up in my university campus. 

If, which I hope will not be the case, but if we were to go with blue 
free, then at least also bold. If people miss it, then...

Ok, hope for final blessing from Jermolene. 

:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Handoko Suwono
@native English speakers: I reasoned it should say your personal wiki - a 
single html 
file not just your personal wiki - single html file (the difference is 
the a before 
single) sensing this would keep both lines in a more similar grammatical 
form. 
Yes/No?

I am using recently, TiddlyWiki, a flatfile CMS for personal usage.


On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 11:14:14 PM UTC+7, Mat wrote:

 Tablet, yes. 

 I could go with either when it comes to writing desktop vs laptop but my 
 reasoning for using laptop is that people identify more with laptops these 
 days and the word desktop has almost reverted back into meaning table 
 desktop, at least in my mind. The real actual word is otherwise desktop 
 computer, whereas laptop is unambiguous. Desktop can also mean the 
 Windows (and iOS?) background area, particularly now with Win8 where it is 
 something you must know about to switch to/from. But if you prefer desktop, 
 I could go with that.

 @native English speakers: I reasoned it should say your personal wiki - a 
 single html file not just your personal wiki - single html file (the 
 difference is the a before single) sensing this would keep both lines 
 in a more similar grammatical form. Yes/No?

 But I notice the gradient has shifted a bit so that it is no longer 
 centered under the fish, causing a misaligned visible shadow. Could it be 
 realigned without moving any other suff - other than possibly also letting 
 headline follow it down those few millimeters.) 

 Other than this, I think the one with the blue line (which *should* take 
 attention) is pretty much perfect.

 :-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Tobias Beer
I think I might be creating a German version for this...

 Gedankensalat? Aufräumen.
  tiddlywiki.com   

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Duarte,
 

 Updated, text, updated url size and update export size.

I think the layout is better that way. It feels a little bit off that 
tiddlywiki.com would be so close to the fish but the headline not. Perhaps 
move that a little down so that it dives more into the gradient rather than 
be somewhat on top.

For what is worth I too strongly dislike the handwritten stroke, if free 
 really is that important I'd color it differently like the last alternative 
 I made. I would vote against, two against one, but I'll let Jeremy and 
 decide on that.


;-) Ok, maybe it could be greyish, almost not there, but then there. So you 
only see it at second thought and get that itch you want to scratch, 
subliminally.

At long last, thanks for all your work on this! Can't stretch this enough...
You did a great job creating that new, fresh visual edge for TiddlyWiki.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


I saw the thread change too, not sure if it was the thread length that 
triggered it or if google changed anything on their side, everything 
looks different, dunno.
Anyway this thread IS getting long, I'd say end it eheh. So here's what I 
hope is the final preview. 
The paper size is correct, nothing changed I just made a small mistake 
exporting it last time. Updated, text, updated url size and update export 
size


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster10.png


For what is worth I too strongly dislike the handwritten stroke, if free 
really is that important I'd color it differently like the last alternative 
I made. I would vote against, two against one, but I'll let Jeremy and 
decide on that.

On Thursday, 8 January 2015 19:50:20 UTC, Mat wrote:

 That smidge under free makes me want to get a cloth and wipe it away.

 Hehe, me too! And that's *exactly* the point. It *ensures* they can't 
 miss free. If they miss free then, in their mind, this is *obviously* 
 a poster for a product that costs money. Ads and posters *are* for 
 selling and making money.

 Also agree with Tobias' other points about perhaps making tw a tiny bit 
 smaller etc. No big deal for me, but I do agree.

 Also note the image seems to be 27,94 instead of the specified 27,90, at 
 least in my drawing software (paint.net)

 Apropos the long thread: Just now the view switched over to multiple pages 
 (5 of them) instead of one long thread. Did that just happen to you too? 
 Made it a lot smoother.

 :-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


Sure thing, was actually my mistake there, moved the fish and forgot to 
update the gradient. Also updated the word to laptop, that one slipped 
through.
Here's the updated version. Jeremy are you ok with all these latest changes?


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster09.png

On Thursday, 8 January 2015 16:14:14 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Tablet, yes. 

 I could go with either when it comes to writing desktop vs laptop but my 
 reasoning for using laptop is that people identify more with laptops these 
 days and the word desktop has almost reverted back into meaning table 
 desktop, at least in my mind. The real actual word is otherwise desktop 
 computer, whereas laptop is unambiguous. Desktop can also mean the 
 Windows (and iOS?) background area, particularly now with Win8 where it is 
 something you must know about to switch to/from. But if you prefer desktop, 
 I could go with that.

 @native English speakers: I reasoned it should say your personal wiki - a 
 single html file not just your personal wiki - single html file (the 
 difference is the a before single) sensing this would keep both lines 
 in a more similar grammatical form. Yes/No?

 But I notice the gradient has shifted a bit so that it is no longer 
 centered under the fish, causing a misaligned visible shadow. Could it be 
 realigned without moving any other suff - other than possibly also letting 
 headline follow it down those few millimeters.) 

 Other than this, I think the one with the blue line (which *should* take 
 attention) is pretty much perfect.

 :-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Mat
Excellent! Assuming we get an answer on the a single... question and that 
Jeremy gives an OK, then I say this is it

This is one heck of a mini-poster! 

:-) 

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Ops forgot about that one. Lets see what Jeremy says, I'll update it for 
the next version

On Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:46:03 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Excellent! Assuming we get an answer on the a single... question and 
 that Jeremy gives an OK, then I say this is it

 This is one heck of a mini-poster! 

 :-) 


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
I agree, I actually fixed that in my version, forgot to mention it before

On Thursday, 8 January 2015 15:21:29 UTC, Eric Shulman wrote:


 Don't use commercial product brand names!
 The only brand that should be mentioned is TiddlyWiki.

 laptop, mobile, iPad

should be

 laptop, mobile, tablet

 -e




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Mat


Beginning to think maybe correspondence woudl be smoother via email, but 
after each draft I find myself going ok, just a few tiny things and then 
we should be done! - which has been going on now for quite a few drafts ;-)

Anyway, here are just a few tiny things and then we should be done:

I took the liberty of doing some editing myself, among other things to make 
it even more balanced. This included move the fish vertically a bit and 
making tw.com a bit more subtle (nobody can miss it though). I think it 
looks good, what do you say? I suggest putting my version as a transparent 
layer on top of yours to see all the detail changes.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--_BEuTiYnlQ/VK6NGrLpYmI/PHg/N3gasKR5xUU/s1600/DuartesPoster_MatVersion1.png

I'm really happy we got some input from my teacher. It really improves it. 
The bit about putting the headline alone on top is great and, funnily, by 
putting the url under the fish it almost like when you have an image with a 
descriptive text under it, i.e here you see a tiddlywiki fish sort of.

Now... what I would *really* prefer is actually this one crucial bit to 
make sure they can't miss what might very well be the tipping point to make 
them actually try it out. See pic below. The line is * intended* to look as 
if a friend of theirs just wanted to make sure they didn't miss it and so 
simply picked up a pen:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qr9UBCh0ELM/VK6N9ijhJsI/PHo/M0-ssKCFhNM/s1600/DuartesPoster_MatVersion2.png
The line is from this 
http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/954646/219601339/stock-vector-set-of-correction-and-highlight-elements-part-circles-arrows-lines-etc-hand-drawn-with-219601339.jpg
 
image (cut out and manipulated). I found it by searching on google images 
for hand drawn line and selecting color blue. BTW, the above versions are 
a mix of cut+move, type on top of stuff, etc so they are not real quality 
with vectors etc. 
 
I can only speak for myself, but I would be happy if it looks like this 
last variant.


:-)



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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


I think we are getting somewhere!
Not much of a fan of the handwritten visual here, I don't really like the 
tick but I think can live with it :) Recreated it um full vector fashion to 
keep the SVG as true to itself as possible, also made an alternate version 
to see if anyone prefers a cleaner look.
Would love to hear Jeremy and everyone else opinion before we can call 
anything final.


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster08.png



http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster07.png






On Thursday, 8 January 2015 14:17:33 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Beginning to think maybe correspondence woudl be smoother via email, but 
 after each draft I find myself going ok, just a few tiny things and then 
 we should be done! - which has been going on now for quite a few drafts ;-)

 Anyway, here are just a few tiny things and then we should be done:

 I took the liberty of doing some editing myself, among other things to 
 make it even more balanced. This included move the fish vertically a bit 
 and making tw.com a bit more subtle (nobody can miss it though). I think 
 it looks good, what do you say? I suggest putting my version as a 
 transparent layer on top of yours to see all the detail changes.


 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--_BEuTiYnlQ/VK6NGrLpYmI/PHg/N3gasKR5xUU/s1600/DuartesPoster_MatVersion1.png

 I'm really happy we got some input from my teacher. It really improves it. 
 The bit about putting the headline alone on top is great and, funnily, by 
 putting the url under the fish it almost like when you have an image with a 
 descriptive text under it, i.e here you see a tiddlywiki fish sort of.

 Now... what I would *really* prefer is actually this one crucial bit to 
 make sure they can't miss what might very well be the tipping point to make 
 them actually try it out. See pic below. The line is * intended* to look 
 as if a friend of theirs just wanted to make sure they didn't miss it and 
 so simply picked up a pen:


 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qr9UBCh0ELM/VK6N9ijhJsI/PHo/M0-ssKCFhNM/s1600/DuartesPoster_MatVersion2.png
 The line is from this 
 http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/954646/219601339/stock-vector-set-of-correction-and-highlight-elements-part-circles-arrows-lines-etc-hand-drawn-with-219601339.jpg
  
 image (cut out and manipulated). I found it by searching on google images 
 for hand drawn line and selecting color blue. BTW, the above versions are 
 a mix of cut+move, type on top of stuff, etc so they are not real quality 
 with vectors etc. 
  
 I can only speak for myself, but I would be happy if it looks like this 
 last variant.


 :-)





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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Eric Shulman

Don't use commercial product brand names!
The only brand that should be mentioned is TiddlyWiki.

laptop, mobile, iPad

   should be

laptop, mobile, tablet

-e


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Mat
Tablet, yes. 

I could go with either when it comes to writing desktop vs laptop but my 
reasoning for using laptop is that people identify more with laptops these 
days and the word desktop has almost reverted back into meaning table 
desktop, at least in my mind. The real actual word is otherwise desktop 
computer, whereas laptop is unambiguous. Desktop can also mean the 
Windows (and iOS?) background area, particularly now with Win8 where it is 
something you must know about to switch to/from. But if you prefer desktop, 
I could go with that.

@native English speakers: I reasoned it should say your personal wiki - a 
single html file not just your personal wiki - single html file (the 
difference is the a before single) sensing this would keep both lines 
in a more similar grammatical form. Yes/No?

But I notice the gradient has shifted a bit so that it is no longer 
centered under the fish, causing a misaligned visible shadow. Could it be 
realigned without moving any other suff - other than possibly also letting 
headline follow it down those few millimeters.) 

Other than this, I think the one with the blue line (which *should* take 
attention) is pretty much perfect.

:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Tobias Beer


 Sure thing, was actually my mistake there, moved the fish and forgot to 
 update the gradient. Also updated the word to laptop, that one slipped 
 through.
 Here's the updated version. Jeremy are you ok with all these latest 
 changes?

That smidge under free makes me want to get a cloth and wipe it away. Just 
my 5 cts. ^^

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Tobias Beer
Also, the poster looks a bit crammed at the bottom.
I would perhaps bring that tiddler up a little and have the stuff under it 
breathe a little.
Perhaps make tiddlywiki.com a tiny wee smaller?!?

One more thing, this thread is huge,
perhaps a good idea to open a new one.
...or be done with it. ^^

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-08 Thread Mat
That smidge under free makes me want to get a cloth and wipe it away.

Hehe, me too! And that's *exactly* the point. It *ensures* they can't miss 
free. If they miss free then, in their mind, this is *obviously* a 
poster for a product that costs money. Ads and posters *are* for selling 
and making money.

Also agree with Tobias' other points about perhaps making tw a tiny bit 
smaller etc. No big deal for me, but I do agree.

Also note the image seems to be 27,94 instead of the specified 27,90, at 
least in my drawing software (paint.net)

Apropos the long thread: Just now the view switched over to multiple pages 
(5 of them) instead of one long thread. Did that just happen to you too? 
Made it a lot smoother.

:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-07 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


Haha thanks, yeah you know how deadlines are, I work mostly for archviz 
with 3D models and such and they always want them for yesterday so I went 
through some pretty intensive sprints :)
That ascii version really looks neat and compact, I could see it become 
some sort of official logo, light and simple enough to include in TW.

So here it is, looks much more harmonious now, thanks for the suggestion. I 
didn't strip as much information though, I think there's still room for it 
without over advertizing; too little info and it will become a riddle to 
new users and we risk capturing no one's attention.

If you think it's still too much we can go with your even more minimal 
approach


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster06.png




On Thursday, 8 January 2015 02:22:55 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Fast and impressive working! Do you make architectural drawings with such 
 ease too? :-)

 I agree with the overall balance issue there.

 How about this (but, yes, it needs formatting too ;-)


 Your messy thoughts. Organized.

 = :){ ---

 tiddlywiki.com

 a personal wiki in html ⌽ open source and free


 It this is not the absolute core of it then I don't know what is. Mybe 
 even cut in html because open source tops it anyway. This is extremely 
 clear and IMO captures the absolute essentials of TW to make someone want 
 more.

 And funnily, having just made the above I'm thinking that an ascii version 
 might just actually make some sense after all! If your poster becomes a bit 
 of a trademark for TW (but I do hope people make more posters eventually) 
 then a simple ascii, like AlexHough's hilarious stuff, might just make 
 sense in some contexts, like signatures on discussion boards etc. Just a 
 thought, but I'm tired and it makes my thoughts even messier than usual... 
 I must go to tiddlywiki.com to get organi... no I should really slee... 
 

 :-)



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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-07 Thread Mat
@Duarte (...well, and everyone ;-)

Ok, a few quite interesting things have come up!

I wanted to take this to a teacher of mine to get his input - which I did 
today! He has decades of experience in marketing, copywriting, campaigns 
and advertising in all kinds of media and he teaches at the leading 
marketing school in Sweden (Berghs http://www.berghs.se/en) on these and 
related subjects. I'm taking his course on Communication Design (at my 
university, not the marketing school) which is about (verbally) presenting 
so to effectively get messages across. He is 60+ and has a non tech 
background. I had previously mentioned TW but only in general terms (it's a 
wiki etc) and he doesn't really know about it or tried it, which I think 
was good for testing the poster on him. I told him about the competition 
and the purpose - and then showed him Duartes poster.

Well, first of all - again congratulations to Duarte. He was *very* 
impressed with the artwork and he thought it was brilliant in concept.

He also said it was unlike almost all other advertisement he had seen for 
technical products, and that this was a very good aspect.

He also had quite a few valuable and even critical pointers:

Perhaps to the relief of some, he did not like my Free* and *yes free, 
check it out bits. (Hrmpf!) He pointed out that a web address in itself is 
a call to action and he means the interest creation in itself pushes this.

Regarding the headline he said we should make *this* the prominent part, 
not the URL. He strongly suggests putting the headline above the fish and 
the URL *under* it, because the headline is what tells the story. And the 
headline and the URL should switch each others font size. BTW, Jeremy 
suggested (unless the technical disturbance in the communication made me 
misunderstand him) he suggests we skip the www and also the faint grey. 
He points out www is redundant and that the grey makes it look like we 
want to say something with the colors. Ok, possibly. Well, if we cut out 
the www, then the grey looses much of it's point anyway. I say we try it 
and see what it looks like, i.e simply tiddlywiki.com in one color.

Wording for the headline: He (my teacher) said: 

Messy thoughts. Organized.

Ok hard to argue with that. That really does say it all. He also 
pointed out that scattered brains and similar is not good if it is to be 
used outside of Enligsh speaking countries. I think he's right. I kind of 
liked the Now. but I agree it is even more direct without it. (Again I'm 
reminded of the Evernote line: Remember everything. That also really says 
it all.)

Now for the absolute major crtitizism, and a *classic* beginners mistake: 
We have too much text. (I guess Herr More is less get's happy now ;-) 
And, somewhat to my embarassment, I only there noticed the font is actually 
also *much* too small! I had until then zoomed in every time I looked, but 
the poster is - well - it is as big as it is, A4. We MUST reduce the text 
and only take out the critical parts.

It is the typical beginners mistake to list all the technical benefits but 
this is not the right stage for this. As he pointed out, just about every 
other IT system is supposedly versatile and knowledge base etc and 
trying to list every benefit we can think of is like a desperate car 
salesman and instead signals insecurity as if you're nervous the customer 
won't like it. He says we should basically have more or less only the free 
and open source and own you data. Now he's not an IT guy so he may not 
know exactly what our target market considers important but I can't argue 
with his general premise here. Listing a lot there will not convince anyone 
any more than listing a few things there. And if the too much makes the 
text difficult to read, well then we loose it all. Regardless, I would at 
least want to have something like personal wiki included. So I suggest:

a personal wiki ○ single html file in your browser
free and open source ○ no costs, you own your data
any platform, any time ○ desktop, mobile, tablet, offline or in the cloud 

(He would probably say this is too much also. Can we make it even fewer 
words?)

Regarding the image (which he *really* liked!) he suggested that what comes 
out probably should only be one line, not many. I think that we here think 
of many tiddlers coming out but I think his point was to have maximum 
order, i.e one thing. Ok, makes sense. (I fear it might look heavy if it's 
one thick black line though. Maybe paler? But should be same color as what 
comes in IMO.)

He also pointed out that the supposed messy lines aren't very messy 
because they are symmetrical! I agree with the not very messy but hadn't 
considered that it was they symmetry causing it. I think he is right. He 
suggested having *one* of the downpointing lines diverge much more so the 
viewer gets annoyed at something. Ok, worth a try IMO.

@Duarte... you up for it? :-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-07 Thread Mat
Correction: When I wrote the above I recalled the headline as currently 
being Your messy thoughts [etc] and just remembered how he covered the 
first word. However, I now see the first word is currently All!. In other 
words, for headline he suggested *Your* messy thoughts. Organized. which 
I think is better because it involves the viewer not to mention TW is for 
*your* messy thoghts and not the whole organization for example.

:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-07 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


Sure am, I was actually gonna post here when I read you message.

It's good to have the input of an actual professional, although I have some 
basic notions I have no formal education in advertizing or marketing, I am 
simply an architect who happens to really like graphic design as a hobby.
So here's what I came up with, I think it lost a little in terms of overall 
balance of the composition, but the more minimal approach improves the 
readability and message. Made the text larger and I tried my best to fit 
the URL bellow the fish but just could find a position it would sit nicely 
so I left it above. If you oppose it strongly I will gladly move it back 
down, let me know what you think:


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster05.png





On Thursday, 8 January 2015 00:14:08 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Correction: When I wrote the above I recalled the headline as currently 
 being Your messy thoughts [etc] and just remembered how he covered the 
 first word. However, I now see the first word is currently All!. In other 
 words, for headline he suggested *Your* messy thoughts. Organized. 
 which I think is better because it involves the viewer not to mention TW is 
 for *your* messy thoghts and not the whole organization for example.

 :-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-07 Thread Mat
Fast and impressive working! Do you make architectural drawings with such 
ease too? :-)

I agree with the overall balance issue there.

How about this (but, yes, it needs formatting too ;-)


Your messy thoughts. Organized.

= :){ ---

tiddlywiki.com

a personal wiki in html ⌽ open source and free


It this is not the absolute core of it then I don't know what is. Mybe 
even cut in html because open source tops it anyway. This is extremely 
clear and IMO captures the absolute essentials of TW to make someone want 
more.

And funnily, having just made the above I'm thinking that an ascii version 
might just actually make some sense after all! If your poster becomes a bit 
of a trademark for TW (but I do hope people make more posters eventually) 
then a simple ascii, like AlexHough's hilarious stuff, might just make 
sense in some contexts, like signatures on discussion boards etc. Just a 
thought, but I'm tired and it makes my thoughts even messier than usual... 
I must go to tiddlywiki.com to get organi... no I should really slee... 


:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-06 Thread Mat
Duarte Farrajota Ramos wrote:

 That's an excellent idea Mat, really like it and I think it works very 
 well, check it out here:

Yes, it did really work well. Now let's just hope Jeremy feels it's ok with 
us having removed .../poster


I have to agree with Tobias on the **yes, free. check it out *though. I I 
 don't think it's a deal breaker, but hear some more opinions, it is after 
 all a community poster


Ok, let us look at what this means. I'm all positive for some other way as 
long as it takes the following in consideration: 

A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this to 
work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the poster. My 
marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with them.

So, let's look at if we cut out yes free, check it out. The essence of 
the call to action remaining is then in the top line word Now. This, 
however, has a dual meaning here, both implying Do it now but also Your 
messy thoughts will be organized now. It's ok, but not great as a way to 
have the unassuming poster viewer actally go *do* something. However, the 
check it out is much more powerful because it is in imperative and it 
really *ends* the poster with a *definite* call to action. It is 100% clear 
what the viewer should *do* now. It takes it from being just another (very) 
pretty poster into a poster that plants an echo in their head to actually 
check tw out.

I'm all for alternatives... but they have to get more people to check TW 
out  ;-)

Thoughts?

:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-06 Thread Mat
Duarte Farrajota Ramos wrote:

 That's an excellent idea Mat, really like it and I think it works very 
 well, check it out here:

Yes, it did really work well. Now let's just hope Jeremy feels it's ok with 
us having removed .../poster


I have to agree with Tobias on the **yes, free. check it out *though. I I 
 don't think it's a deal breaker, but hear some more opinions, it is after 
 all a community poster


Ok, I'm not objecting per se - but let us look at what this means and what 
we should do instead, because IMO there has to be some other changes if we 
removed this: 

A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. It is not 
enough with a (very) pretty poster. It must be a poster that makes them 
take the next step. For this to work, *something has to echo in their head* 
as they leave the poster. My marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% 
agreement with them.

So, let's look at if we cut out yes free, check it out. The remaining 
call to action would be Your messy thoughts. Organized. Now. Free. Here 
the Free actually distracts from the call. (It actually also breaks the 
rythm of the sentence, but that's another matter.) The essence of the call 
to action in the top line is the word Now which, however, has a dual 
meaning here, both implying Do it now but also Your messy thoughts will 
be organized. It's ok, but not great as a call to action. However, the 
check it out is much more powerful because it is in imperative and it 
really *ends* the poster with a *definite* call to action. It is 100% clear 
what the unassuming viewer should *do* now. It takes it from being just 
another (very) pretty poster into a poster that plants an echo in their 
head to actually check tw out. 

If we were to remove the yes, free: check it out then how about removing 
Free from the header and instead make the content text free and open 
source catch the eye? Maybe bigger font size + blue so it deviates from 
the rest of the text and is guaranteed to get noticed. Or just doing this 
to the free there. *But it must stick out a lot - it is a key selling 
point.*

That way, the topmost call to action is standalone (very much like the 
calls to action in the examples with Evernote et. al). Almost a slogan 
actually. Your messy thoughts. Organized. Now.

Thoughts?



:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-06 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Mat,
 

 A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this to 
 work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the poster. My 
 marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with them.


I fully agree with needing a clear call to action... and the more 
memorable, the better.
However, I also think that finding more of that than needed
has exactly the adverse effect and smells a bit of excessive marketing.

As for catchiness, I think scattered brains sounds a lot more memorable 
than messy thoughts.
Also, it slightly hints at how TiddlyWiki might just be very apt to cope 
with the genius that is you,
empowering you in ways unimagined before. If you wish, a form of subliminal 
flattery.

Perhaps, this slight change to the headline might help things sound more 
actionable...

  Scattered Brains? Organize. Now. Free!  

So, you get...

   1. an realisation of your problem with a pinch of subliminal flattery — 
*Scattered 
   Brains?*
   2. a call to action, hinting at the solution — *Organize.*
   3. and another call to action — *Now.*
   4. and a big incentive, rounding it all up — *Free!*
   5. immediately followed by the *X* that marks the spot with the treasure 
   — *www.tiddlywiki.com*

I think that should be enough to make the mental link of what to expect at 
the url ;-)
...without needing some more flashy click here, check it out text or 
banner thingy;
especially not in some corner that is all isolated from the rest of the 
poster.

The beauty of something creates desire.
The more beauty is covered by sticky stuff or make-up,
the more that desire rather quickly vanishes... at least for me.

 = less is more 

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-06 Thread Jeremy Ruston
For what it's worth I really like the phrase scattered brains. It
pleasantly evokes the English word scatterbrain.

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mat,


 A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this to
 work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the poster. My
 marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with them.


 I fully agree with needing a clear call to action... and the more
 memorable, the better.
 However, I also think that finding more of that than needed
 has exactly the adverse effect and smells a bit of excessive marketing.

 As for catchiness, I think scattered brains sounds a lot more memorable
 than messy thoughts.
 Also, it slightly hints at how TiddlyWiki might just be very apt to cope
 with the genius that is you,
 empowering you in ways unimagined before. If you wish, a form of
 subliminal flattery.

 Perhaps, this slight change to the headline might help things sound more
 actionable...

   Scattered Brains? Organize. Now. Free!

 So, you get...

1. an realisation of your problem with a pinch of subliminal flattery
— *Scattered Brains?*
2. a call to action, hinting at the solution — *Organize.*
3. and another call to action — *Now.*
4. and a big incentive, rounding it all up — *Free!*
5. immediately followed by the *X* that marks the spot with the
treasure — *www.tiddlywiki.com*

 I think that should be enough to make the mental link of what to expect at
 the url ;-)
 ...without needing some more flashy click here, check it out text or
 banner thingy;
 especially not in some corner that is all isolated from the rest of the
 poster.

 The beauty of something creates desire.
 The more beauty is covered by sticky stuff or make-up,
 the more that desire rather quickly vanishes... at least for me.

  = less is more

 Best wishes, Tobias.




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-06 Thread Jeremy Ruston

 Yes, it did really work well. Now let's just hope Jeremy feels it's ok
 with us having removed .../poster


Absolutely, yes, I think it's much clearer for the call-to-action URL to
simply be tiddlywiki.com.

Best wishes

Jeremy.





 I have to agree with Tobias on the **yes, free. check it out *though. I I
 don't think it's a deal breaker, but hear some more opinions, it is after
 all a community poster


 Ok, let us look at what this means. I'm all positive for some other way as
 long as it takes the following in consideration:

 A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this to
 work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the poster. My
 marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with them.

 So, let's look at if we cut out yes free, check it out. The essence of
 the call to action remaining is then in the top line word Now. This,
 however, has a dual meaning here, both implying Do it now but also Your
 messy thoughts will be organized now. It's ok, but not great as a way to
 have the unassuming poster viewer actally go *do* something. However, the
 check it out is much more powerful because it is in imperative and it
 really *ends* the poster with a *definite* call to action. It is 100%
 clear what the viewer should *do* now. It takes it from being just
 another (very) pretty poster into a poster that plants an echo in their
 head to actually check tw out.

 I'm all for alternatives... but they have to get more people to check TW
 out  ;-)

 Thoughts?

 :-)




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-06 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
I have no real preference between the two phrases, I like them both 
equally, but if master Jeremy likes that one better I'd say go with it, 
unless we can get more votes to break the tie


On Tuesday, 6 January 2015 14:30:48 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 For what it's worth I really like the phrase scattered brains. It 
 pleasantly evokes the English word scatterbrain.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Tobias Beer beert...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Hi Mat,
  

 A call to action must be noticed and be a *lasting message*. For this 
 to work, *something has to echo in their head* as they leave the 
 poster. My marketing friends stress this and I'm in 100% agreement with 
 them.


 I fully agree with needing a clear call to action... and the more 
 memorable, the better.
 However, I also think that finding more of that than needed
 has exactly the adverse effect and smells a bit of excessive marketing.

 As for catchiness, I think scattered brains sounds a lot more memorable 
 than messy thoughts.
 Also, it slightly hints at how TiddlyWiki might just be very apt to cope 
 with the genius that is you,
 empowering you in ways unimagined before. If you wish, a form of 
 subliminal flattery.

 Perhaps, this slight change to the headline might help things sound more 
 actionable...

   Scattered Brains? Organize. Now. Free!  

 So, you get...

1. an realisation of your problem with a pinch of subliminal flattery 
— *Scattered Brains?*
2. a call to action, hinting at the solution — *Organize.*
3. and another call to action — *Now.*
4. and a big incentive, rounding it all up — *Free!*
5. immediately followed by the *X* that marks the spot with the 
treasure — *www.tiddlywiki.com*

 I think that should be enough to make the mental link of what to expect 
 at the url ;-)
 ...without needing some more flashy click here, check it out text or 
 banner thingy;
 especially not in some corner that is all isolated from the rest of the 
 poster.

 The beauty of something creates desire.
 The more beauty is covered by sticky stuff or make-up,
 the more that desire rather quickly vanishes... at least for me.

  = less is more 

 Best wishes, Tobias.




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Birthe C
Hi Mat

The word free* is important, the red color do call for attention, but not 
only in a good way. If it could be changed a little to better match the 
colours in the fish. Duarte is the artist let it be up to him.


Birthe

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Mat
Birthe C wrote:

 changed a little to better match the colours in the fish. Duarte is the 
 artist let it be up to him.


Good idea. I would stand out more than enough also with a niceer matching 
colour. I'm sure señor Picasso will handle it ;-)

:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Mat
@Duarte

Here is my suggestion, and below the reasoning:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bCIX3pkrUKs/VKsEd7nUcHI/PHM/DjwNvXXznzk/s1600/poster_fish.png

   - (@ also Tobias) while I like the scatterbrains... remedy, I'm afraid 
   this is too abstract here and requires too much figuring out. We must not 
   forget that *even the fish* itself appears TOTALLY irrelevant to someone 
   not in the know. (Here 
   http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/great-call-to-action-examples are 
   some examples of brilliance for exactly this. Ironically the very first 
   example is from our main competitor, if there ever was one: Evernote!)
   - The (stakkato) sentence captures the problem, the (resulting) solution 
   and ends with an immediate call to action. 
   - The free* is a strong selling point for almost anyone who bothers 
   with open source, at least in my experience.
   - The asterisk and the explanation at bottom is supposedly discrete 
   while it is obviously not - actually it is obviously intended to be seen, 
   and the yes, free adds a bit of humour. The check it out is another 
   call to action and in some sense the end of the poster.
   - I actually wouldn't mind a bit more jumbled lines, I mean spreading 
   out in a somewhat wider angle. My mind is a lot more scattered than that ;-)
   - @Jeremy - www.tiddlywiki.com vs .../poster, Jeremy suggested the 
   .../poster, I assume as a way to measure the effect of it all. Frankly, 
   if I saw this url, I would still just go to tw.com particularly since I 
   have to type it in manually. Jeremy - what do you say, can we skip 
   /poster?
   - For phrasing the factual content, I say go with Jeremys suggestions.
   - Please do remove the watermark but if not visible then do add e.g 
   tiddlywiki.com
   - Like Felix, I love the circles. I have no idea why, but I love them. 
   Maybe it binds the sentences visually, subtly messaging they're connected 
   into a story... somehow breaking the feeling of a list... I don't know.
   

:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Mat
I strongly prefer the first one - and it is *fantastic*. 

One tiny idea I just thought of would be to see if the word tiddlywiki 
would be clearer if we made www and com a little fainter. All URL's 
give a complex impression and maybe this would make it easier on the eye. 
Just an idea.

...Duarte, again, it really is *fantastic*!!!

:-)

On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 12:39:52 AM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos wrote:

 Hahahah señor picasso, good one!

 @Jeremy 
 Thank you, I am very glad that you like it. Your publishing method seems 
 adequate, I intend to provide you three final files once the design gets 
 the approving green light from you:

- An optimized SVG file (will reduce file size and improve 
compatibility) for display purposes embedded inside tiddlywiki, and any 
further community editing
- A raster PNG version in as many sizes as you see fit (let me know 
what you require)
- A ready to print PDF (All data will remain vector based, except for 
the fish drop shadow which is an SVG filter and cannot be natively 
 exported 
to PDF)
I can specify any resolution you desire, but blurry shadows don't 
require very high definition, at 300DPI is more than enough, I notice no 
visible pixelation.

 @Jeremy, Mat, and Birthe C

 I went with Jeremy's proposal for the text topics, thanks for the 
 suggestions these look genuinely better.
 As for the call to action I made two variants, one following Mat's 
 suggestion (yes *free *is indeed an import message) and another inspired 
 by it.
 Mine uses the Tag pill to connect the asterisk much like wikiwords and 
 tags connect a hole wiki together, and a call to action that is a bit more 
 poetic so to say, but still alludes to the collecting and note taking 
 nature of tiddlywiki, plus a vague sea-fish reference.

 Final version may very well end up being a mashup of all the available 
 options so let me know what you like and what you don't.

 http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster02.png


 http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster03.png


 http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster02.png




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Hahahah señor picasso, good one!

@Jeremy 
Thank you, I am very glad that you like it. Your publishing method seems 
adequate, I intend to provide you three final files once the design gets 
the approving green light from you:

   - An optimized SVG file (will reduce file size and improve 
   compatibility) for display purposes embedded inside tiddlywiki, and any 
   further community editing
   - A raster PNG version in as many sizes as you see fit (let me know what 
   you require)
   - A ready to print PDF (All data will remain vector based, except for 
   the fish drop shadow which is an SVG filter and cannot be natively exported 
   to PDF)
   I can specify any resolution you desire, but blurry shadows don't 
   require very high definition, at 300DPI is more than enough, I notice no 
   visible pixelation.

@Jeremy, Mat, and Birthe C

I went with Jeremy's proposal for the text topics, thanks for the 
suggestions these look genuinely better.
As for the call to action I made two variants, one following Mat's 
suggestion (yes *free *is indeed an import message) and another inspired by 
it.
Mine uses the Tag pill to connect the asterisk much like wikiwords and 
tags connect a hole wiki together, and a call to action that is a bit more 
poetic so to say, but still alludes to the collecting and note taking 
nature of tiddlywiki, plus a vague sea-fish reference.

Final version may very well end up being a mashup of all the available 
options so let me know what you like and what you don't.

http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster02.png


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster03.png


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster02.png


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Duarte,

I like...

*All your messy thoughts. Organized. Now. Free.*

...and also that free would be highlighted.

However, I don't think the poster begs for any...

**yes, free. check it out*

   = less is more

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


That's an excellent idea Mat, really like it and I think it works very 
well, check it out here:


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster04.png


I have to agree with Tobias on the **yes, free. check it out *though. I I 
don't think it's a deal breaker, but hear some more opinions, it is after 
all a community poster




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster01.png
I'm totally for a more minimal approach, I like your suggestion, also made 
a small adjustment to one of the lower topics:



On Monday, 5 January 2015 15:37:55 UTC, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Hi Duarte,

 Not sure how exactly, but I would turn the two headlines before 
 *tiddlywiki.com 
 http://tiddlywiki.com* into one and make the font smaller.

 *Scattered brains? Get your free remedy **at:*

 =

 less is more, especially when it comes to text ;-)

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi Duarte,

great idea with the list circles below the fish.

-Felix

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Congratulations to Duarte, I think your poster is a worthy winner, and I
like it very much.

In terms of publishing the poster, PDF (with a suitably high resolution for
the embedded bitmaps) would probably be the best choice for most people
wishing to print the poster. I'd like to be able to offer it in SVG as
well, for viewing on the web, and perhaps a few sizes of PNG for
convenience.

In terms of the best way to publish the winning image online, I'm wondering
whether we might not include the images in a tiddler at
tiddlywiki.com/#Poster (having set them up as external images).

Best wishes

Jeremy.



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 Hi Duarte,

 great idea with the list circles below the fish.

 -Felix




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Duarte, Mat,

I meant to add that perhaps some of the wording and punctuation might
benefit from a few tweaks. What do others think?

Best wishes

Jeremy.


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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Congratulations to Duarte, I think your poster is a worthy winner, and I
 like it very much.

 In terms of publishing the poster, PDF (with a suitably high resolution
 for the embedded bitmaps) would probably be the best choice for most people
 wishing to print the poster. I'd like to be able to offer it in SVG as
 well, for viewing on the web, and perhaps a few sizes of PNG for
 convenience.

 In terms of the best way to publish the winning image online, I'm
 wondering whether we might not include the images in a tiddler at
 tiddlywiki.com/#Poster (having set them up as external images).

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.



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 wrote:

 Hi Duarte,

 great idea with the list circles below the fish.

 -Felix




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-05 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Duarte,

Not sure how exactly, but I would turn the two headlines before 
*tiddlywiki.com* into one and make the font smaller.

*Scattered brains? Get your free remedy **at:*

=

less is more, especially when it comes to text ;-)

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-04 Thread HansWobbe

Congratulations!

I think these should be posted at Flickr.  If you'd like, I'd be happy to 
do so for you and set up some appropriate Tags and perhaps even a TW 
Photographers  Images Group.

Regards,
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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-04 Thread Mat
@Duarte - and further down @Jeremy
 

 I am of course available to make any final adjustments to my poster 
 required to match you standards and requirements. There is always a 
 somewhat implicit need for some post-contest fine-tuning, even from my 
 part, as I would myself like to make a few small additions and touch ups 
 for the final version. So let me know what Jeremy, Mat, Eric or anyone else 
 requires.


Truly a worthy winner!!!

Ok, the main thing pointed out was a clearer call to action, i.e in our 
case something that makes the viewer actually go to the computer and type 
in the url. (Hm... will it work well on the phone?)

Here are some examples 
https://www.google.se/search?hl=enq=examples+of+call+to+action+on+websitesgws_rd=cr,sslei=LqOpVOPcAqvMygOGvYLQCw#hl=en-SEq=examples+of+call+to+action+in+ads
 
of calls to action in ads but I think it's enough with something simple 
that stands out (red? handwritten? encricled?) and just plants a sentence 
in their like You MUST type in tiddlywiki.com/poster in your browser NOW. 
(Yes it's corny but it's not meant to be pretty/clever/subtle/... it's ment 
to make them click.). 

 

 A few questions of my own that stand out the most are:

- Is the poster size really 210mm × *279*mm ? I know we are accounting 
for American standard paper sizes, but an ISO A4 paper is 210 x *297*mm. 
Just want to make sure it is not a typo.


Yes, 210x279 is to make it fit both on European A4 and on US letter size. I 
reason it's better with a few mm of white margin than someone not being 
able to print it or have it cut. With your fish maybe it doesn't matter if 
the lenght is cut a bit - any @Americans here who can tell). Ideally a 
slightly too small image should be centered on their printout but with so 
few mm I think it wouldn't matter much if it wasn't. If you have a better 
idea - rock'n roll.

@Jeremy
 
As for your format questions, I will let Mr.R reply. Personally I think pdf 
sounds like a terrific idea! And I'm VERY happy to hear you're willing to 
provide multiple versions. One little thing I think would be particularly 
valuable would be a monochrome version(s).

Jeremy, is there anything you need help with when it comes to putting up 
the posters? I think the best, from an accessibility point, would be a 
gallery showing all posters available and perhaps stating creator, file 
format and a print button. If you give some specs, maybe someone could 
help set up such a gallery?



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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-04 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Thanks! :)
That sounds like a terrific ideia, but perhaps wait for the final approved 
version before publishing?
Anyway I am not in charge here, Jeremy and Mat will advise on the best 
course of action, but from my part you have my blessings.

On Sunday, 4 January 2015 19:11:27 UTC, HansWobbe wrote:


 Congratulations!

 I think these should be posted at Flickr.  If you'd like, I'd be happy to 
 do so for you and set up some appropriate Tags and perhaps even a TW 
 Photographers  Images Group.

 Regards,
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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-04 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
My paper size was respecting your previous specifications and it seems 
quite fine by me, no change there.

OK, so I remastered the poster to fix a few small issues with the previous 
version and to make some additions I meant to add, like the small call line 
to emphasize the topics and reworking the text a bit. Did some further 
thinking, organized my ideas and refined the wording to better match what I 
initially meant to say, and also added your call to action right on top.
This is not at all a closed final version, its open to debate so please let 
me know what you think, and what should be reverted back to original, some 
topical points:

   - Again I understand you want a more down-to-earth common user 
   approach to the phrasing but I still urge you (community dwellers, 
   knowledgeable people and developers) to please review my text, mainly to 
   see if I committed no technical inaccuracies, and no grammatical/syntax 
   errors. Please do correct me as English is not my native language.
   - Is the catch phrase or call to action to your liking, or did you have 
   something else in mind? Suggestions are gladly accepted, I am not very good 
   with words ;)
   - I tried changing the link to www.tiddlywiki.com. Isn't the poster 
   supposed to promote tiddlywiki itself to new users? I think it makes a lot 
   more sense to point directly to the real thing, instead of pointing to a 
   poster again, which might confuse new users who seem to be the main target 
   audience. Other users will probably find their way to the poster easily.
   - Removed the fish shadow mostly for practical reasons: makes more room 
   for additional text, and unclutters the poster of redundant visual 
   elements. It can easily be added back in if you think its essential.
   - I kept personal signature watermark throughout the previews, I 
   assume it should be removed for the final version, right?

http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/TiddlyWiki_TiddlerPoster.png


Here is a PNG version with 5580 x 4200 pixels, I think it is more than 
enough to print even bigger then an ISO A3 (I can make it larger if 
desired), and at about 1.4mb filesize seems like an acceptable download for 
today's standards. Equivalent PDF clocks at about 206Kb (apparently the 
blurry shadows have to be rasterized, since PDF doesn't support all SVG 
filters but I don't think quality will be an issue). Equivalent SVG file 
will probably be under 146Kb after optimization.

Awaiting further instructions

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-03 Thread wimm


final attempt

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_GN5FhilGpk/VKflpBCbALI/AFo/lLn9JD8A4VQ/s1600/final%2Bposter%2Bpreview.png

KR

WiM

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-03 Thread Mat


Dear all!

I am proud to say the jury has reached a decision. And the WINNER is... 

Oh, just first, I should mention that the decision process turned out 
trickier than expected. In fact, I pulled in assistance from two friends 
who work in marketing AND even my fiancee (M.D.) whom I bombarded with a 
zillion questions such as Which ones catch your eye the most?, If this 
appeared on your work place, what would the others think when reading 
this?, Which posters would work better on a board in a stressed and messy 
environment - and which ones for a calmer place?, What would non-tech 
people think?, etc. There was particular talk about what creates a 
desire to go to the webpage.

Well, there was quite a heated debate but in the end there was a next to 
unanimous decision. Can you guess? Well the WINNER is:


Oh, just first, we should have a rundown of all the contributions for 
everyones enjoyment and for reference. 

Here are the final versions of the variants people included. In reviewing 
them we looked at earlier versions also (for instance WiMs many touch ups) 
but there was an agreement the latest was the best anyway so this did not 
affect things. So, here I only include the final versions of the 
contributed variants:

*In ARBITRARY, i.e no particular, order:*


WiMs TW Concept (remade into jpg for display here):

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9Nflw7QAuq4/VKhRIlQ5cSI/PFY/Ruc5B4AO2qQ/s1600/WiM_final.jpg

Stephens Ordination:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aEs5-O5pKkU/VKhQ9IDEehI/PFI/fOufnU2r2fY/s1600/Stephen_doctorsorders.jpg

World of Stephen:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nVRrSt2llhg/VKhRDKnCJVI/PFQ/3Oic7IA76ik/s1600/Stephen_youcancreate.jpg
Duartes Node Tree:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tXqCI6M8z2U/VKhQxPc0uxI/PFA/J__Vqf1FD9I/s1600/Duarte_Nodetree.jpg

Duartes Fish:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_pQV8bLTcIo/VKhQqTcFujI/PE4/vAdL16wZGTE/s1600/Duarte_Fish.jpg

Duartes Diamond:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rG-nQv68sCM/VKhQlbiEYiI/PEw/oMY21pCnxEg/s1600/Duarte_Diamond.jpg

...and a bonus by Mr. Stickleback himself - AlexHough going ascii (thanx 
Alex!!!)

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We also got encouraging input from several people that has affected some of 
the contributions.

So... are you ready?

My warmest contratulations goes to the fisherman - non other than Duarte!

While I explicitly did state that beautiful graphics were not important - *per 
se* - it is undeniable that his fish catches the eye. A good catch to say 
the least. And you go hm, what's this. As particularly my fiancee pointed 
out, it also creates a first impression of TW namely that it is something 
polished and slick. Now, both my marketing friends and I have some opinions 
that there probably should be some more call to action but on the whole 
we were all *very* impressed.

I also want to bring up WiMs contribution. Bri-li-ant! In fact, it is so 
good that I have made a version myself which I will put up shortly. (Oooh, 
I wish there was a contest ;-)

Of course also my warmest thank you to Stephen! I really liked both the 
doctors order (funny!) and the globe (impressive!) I doubt people would 
understand it was about some kind of personal wiki, but cool nonetheless! 
And I don't think I must mention which one my M.D fiancee liked the most ;-)

GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE CONTE... no, wait.. FOR OUR COMMUNITY, GUYS!


So what happens now? Well, the prize money has already been transferred as 
a contribution to Erics Inside TiddlyWiki project (even if via paypal) and 
he will, if not already, be informed about Duartes win. BTW, I urge 
everyone to take this remaining last day to jump on his SUPER PERK UPGRADE 
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual. 
I just did myself the other day. Imagine your friends or colleagues seeing 
your poster, starting to use TW... only to find out you are also part of 
the book!!! And 

[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-03 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Well I am as humbled as I am surprised that my entry won the contest. Thank 
you very much, and congratulations to everyone else who participated, you 
are great competition, and there are some really good posters in this 
thread.

I am of course available to make any final adjustments to my poster 
required to match you standards and requirements. There is always a 
somewhat implicit need for some post-contest fine-tuning, even from my 
part, as I would myself like to make a few small additions and touch ups 
for the final version. So let me know what Jeremy, Mat, Eric or anyone else 
requires.

A few questions of my own that stand out the most are:

   - Is the poster size really 210mm × *279*mm ? I know we are accounting 
   for American standard paper sizes, but an ISO A4 paper is 210 x *297*mm. 
   Just want to make sure it is not a typo.
   - The Tiddler fish entry is a full vector SVG drawing (no raster 
   graphics whatsoever) so there should be no print quality issues at any 
   size, it can also be export as raster graphics of any required dimensions, 
   but:
   - Shouldn't the default poster download file be a PDF file? It is easy 
   to print directly, well supported (opens everywhere, most current browsers 
   have built-in PDF viewer), and since it is vector based too, provides a 
   great balance between file size and quality, and can also easily be 
   imported back into Inkscape for further editing without any major loss of 
   information.
   Most common users are probably not tech savvy enough to deal with SVG 
   files, and will most likely print *as is*, no editing involved, so SVG 
   might be overkill. Images are either low quality or may become quite large 
   in terms of file size with high enough resolution. JPG is probably a bad 
   file format for this kind of illustration type of image (causes 
   compression artifacts), PNG is also widely supported and would probably 
   provide better secondary file format (with the downside of increased file 
   size).
   - Anyway for display purposes inside TiddlyWiki SVG would still be the 
   best bet, so from my part I will gladly provide the final version in all 
   three file formats (PDF for printing, SVG for display inside tiddlywiki, 
   and PNG (or JPG if you prefer) for display/printing elsewhere.

Anyway let me know what you think, and what needs to be done. If you wish 
to continue in a more private fashion you can reach me at my GMail 
duarte.framos

Thanks again
 

On Saturday, 3 January 2015 22:42:09 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Dear all!

 I am proud to say the jury has reached a decision. And the WINNER is... 

 Oh, just first, I should mention that the decision process turned out 
 trickier than expected. In fact, I pulled in assistance from two friends 
 who work in marketing AND even my fiancee (M.D.) whom I bombarded with a 
 zillion questions such as Which ones catch your eye the most?, If this 
 appeared on your work place, what would the others think when reading 
 this?, Which posters would work better on a board in a stressed and messy 
 environment - and which ones for a calmer place?, What would non-tech 
 people think?, etc. There was particular talk about what creates a 
 desire to go to the webpage.

 Well, there was quite a heated debate but in the end there was a next to 
 unanimous decision. Can you guess? Well the WINNER is:


 Oh, just first, we should have a rundown of all the contributions for 
 everyones enjoyment and for reference. 

 Here are the final versions of the variants people included. In reviewing 
 them we looked at earlier versions also (for instance WiMs many touch ups) 
 but there was an agreement the latest was the best anyway so this did not 
 affect things. So, here I only include the final versions of the 
 contributed variants:

 *In ARBITRARY, i.e no particular, order:*


 WiMs TW Concept (remade into jpg for display here):


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9Nflw7QAuq4/VKhRIlQ5cSI/PFY/Ruc5B4AO2qQ/s1600/WiM_final.jpg

 Stephens Ordination:


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aEs5-O5pKkU/VKhQ9IDEehI/PFI/fOufnU2r2fY/s1600/Stephen_doctorsorders.jpg

 World of Stephen:

 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nVRrSt2llhg/VKhRDKnCJVI/PFQ/3Oic7IA76ik/s1600/Stephen_youcancreate.jpg
 Duartes Node Tree:


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tXqCI6M8z2U/VKhQxPc0uxI/PFA/J__Vqf1FD9I/s1600/Duarte_Nodetree.jpg

 Duartes Fish:


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_pQV8bLTcIo/VKhQqTcFujI/PE4/vAdL16wZGTE/s1600/Duarte_Fish.jpg

 Duartes Diamond:


 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rG-nQv68sCM/VKhQlbiEYiI/PEw/oMY21pCnxEg/s1600/Duarte_Diamond.jpg

 ...and a bonus by Mr. Stickleback himself - AlexHough going ascii (thanx 
 Alex!!!)

 }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸   }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ 
 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C%21%21%21%21%21%3B%28%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸  
 

[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-03 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
On Saturday, 3 January 2015 22:42:09 UTC, Mat wrote:

 BTW, I urge everyone to take this remaining last day to jump on his SUPER 
 PERK UPGRADE 
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual. 
 I just did myself the other day. 
 :-)


Also would like to let you know I just made an additional contribution to 
the noble cause. Hope it helps :)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-02 Thread Alex Hough
More fish here

http://asciifish.tiddlyspot.com/

please let me know what you think!

Alex

On 2 January 2015 at 21:39, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:

 }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸   }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
 }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
 }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com
 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸   }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
 .·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
 }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

 ---
 Click on a Tiddler to take you home

 Grow you own

 [[ };(  º ]]
 [[  º ;)'{ ]]


 Alex

  º );Cut and Paste the below into your TiddlyWiki {

 !! ASCI Fish - [[Links

 }-|||('

 | eye | º * |
 | gill | ( |
 |tail | } 彡 |
 |body | //o //|

 ``°彡``

 ~~ °  ~~

 (◕ ))) 


  [[¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸(((º]]

   * º

 looking for stickleback fish, three spines

 | [[}'''(º ]] | |
 | [[}o'''(º ]] | |
 | [[ }''',( º]] | |
 | [[ };(  º]] | |
 | [[ };(  º ]] |  |
 | [[ }^^^;(  º ]] | spines |
 | [[ }!;(  º ]] | spines |

 ! Links

 http://1lineart.kulaone.com/search/node/fish


 Japanese Fish text emoticon

 http://www.sherv.net/text/emoticons/japanese.fish-4798




 On 1 January 2015 at 22:17, Mat matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear friends!

 *December has ended - so who is the winner in the poster competition?*


 ...well, a thing has come up that makes me extend the contribution period
 a few days:

 Eric is temporarily increasing the perks
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/AqkBKKsGtkQ
 for the contributions to the Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual
 project!

 He is giving a special super duper perk week and generiously gave
 persmission for the poster competition to ride on this! This means the
 winner - maybe YOU - will make it to the $500 PARTNER PERK level and win:

 * access to the Inside TiddlyWiki discussion group, where you can
 review early drafts of book content
 * listed in the book credits as a Partner of Inside TiddlyWiki

 * an autographed, first edition PRINTED COPY OF THE FINAL PUBLISHED
 BOOK

 * 4 hours credit toward private TiddlyWiki consulting services



 Obviously all poster contributions thus far are potential candidates for
 this. But now you guys who have not yet put down your ideas into a poster -
 do so NOW and post it here or send it to me!


 The WINNER WILL BE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK END

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-02 Thread Alex Hough
}!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

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º http://tiddlywiki.com

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.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
}!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
  }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com
.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸   }!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#%20%7D%3C!%3B(%20%20%C2%BA%3E%20
}!;( º http://tiddlywiki.com

---
Click on a Tiddler to take you home

Grow you own

[[ };(  º ]]
[[  º ;)'{ ]]


Alex

 º );Cut and Paste the below into your TiddlyWiki {

!! ASCI Fish - [[Links

}-|||('

| eye | º * |
| gill | ( |
|tail | } 彡 |
|body | //o //|

``°彡``

~~ °  ~~

(◕ ))) 


 [[¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸(((º]]

  * º

looking for stickleback fish, three spines

| [[}'''(º ]] | |
| [[}o'''(º ]] | |
| [[ }''',( º]] | |
| [[ };(  º]] | |
| [[ };(  º ]] |  |
| [[ }^^^;(  º ]] | spines |
| [[ }!;(  º ]] | spines |

! Links

http://1lineart.kulaone.com/search/node/fish


Japanese Fish text emoticon

http://www.sherv.net/text/emoticons/japanese.fish-4798




On 1 January 2015 at 22:17, Mat matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear friends!

 *December has ended - so who is the winner in the poster competition?*


 ...well, a thing has come up that makes me extend the contribution period
 a few days:

 Eric is temporarily increasing the perks
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/AqkBKKsGtkQ
 for the contributions to the Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual
 project!

 He is giving a special super duper perk week and generiously gave
 persmission for the poster competition to ride on this! This means the
 winner - maybe YOU - will make it to the $500 PARTNER PERK level and win:

 * access to the Inside TiddlyWiki discussion group, where you can review
 early drafts of book content
 * listed in the book credits as a Partner of Inside TiddlyWiki

 * an autographed, first edition PRINTED COPY OF THE FINAL PUBLISHED BOOK

 * 4 hours credit toward private TiddlyWiki consulting services



 Obviously all poster contributions thus far are potential candidates for
 this. But now you guys who have not yet put down your ideas into a poster -
 do so NOW and post it here or send it to me!


 The WINNER WILL BE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK END

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-02 Thread Handoko Suwono
I am eager to see the outcome.

I have seen a few of them, they are good. Isn't it possible for us to vote 
for one which has the most likes to win or as part of the weighted average 
on winning? If that so you should make them paraded for awhile before 
deciding the best.

Handoko -

On Friday, December 5, 2014 7:56:00 AM UTC+7, Mat wrote:

 Fellow tiddlywikians,

 Win $100 contributed, in your name, to the guidebook Inside TiddlyWiki - 
 the Missing Manual 
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual 
 by expert TW developer and expert TW educator Eric Shulman.

 *...by designing a A4/letter sized poster that attracts people to 
 TiddlyWiki*

 It should be ready for simple print out, with a common printer, to put up 
 on university billboards, in corporate lunch rooms, taped on the lab door, 
 public outdoor billboards, community houses, etc. This is a rare 
 opportunity to contribute to our community without being a programmer! Or a 
 spender for that matter ;-)

 The competition will run December out and the winner will be announced 
 shortly thereafter and the prize will be transferred to the Inside 
 TiddlyWiki project. The grand jury is... well, let's just say it's as small 
 as it gets and highly subjective ;-)


 Critera

- The purpose of the poster is to get the maximum number of new people 
to try out TW.
Beautiful graphics, ugly sketches, 3-D tiddlers or 3-year toddlers - 
use whatever it takes to get people to try TW. Ok,  no profanity, false 
claims, etc. The jury evaluates only perceived effectiveness at attracting 
people to TW.


- www.tiddlywiki.com*/poster* - this url must be mentioned. They will 
be met by the poster there with a link to tiddlywiki.com


- SVG format ideally, but if not available in your software then use 
*jpeg*, *tiff* or *png* (unless some expert here objects). The idea is 
anyone can print it on a common color printer but SVG is particularly good 
for embedding on the website. 


- Size  -  210mm × 279mm (8.26 × 11) to work both for European (A4) 
and North American (letter size) paper BUT you should probably include 
 some 
margin in this because printers often add this. Pure text typically has 
25mm/1 margin.
Portrait or landscape does not matter.


- e-mail contributions to *boards.mm http://boards.mm at gmail.com 
http://gmail.com* with subject title *Poster*


 Yes, of course you can send in multiple different candidates! Maybe add a 
 black/white version? Not necessary to win, but good for TW. There is only 
 one winner but all contributions will be available for use in (only) 
 TiddlyWiki contexts.


 Tips

 A good framework for designing an effective poster is the well known AIDA 
 formula;

- get the *A*ttention (catch the eye), 
- create *I*nterest (hm, wiki what?), 
- create *D*esire (...oh, I could use that for ... !)
- stimulate *A*ction (I'm must go to tw.com now!)



 It is my absolute belief that the most valuable contribution the majority 
 of us here can do is to get more members to our community. This is the 
 prerequisite for everything else, including more development.

 ...so get a pen and paper or switch over to that graphics software you've 
 got - now! ;-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2015-01-01 Thread Mat
Dear friends!

*December has ended - so who is the winner in the poster competition?*


...well, a thing has come up that makes me extend the contribution period a 
few days:

Eric is temporarily increasing the perks 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/tiddlywiki/AqkBKKsGtkQ 
for the contributions to the Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual 
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual 
project!

He is giving a special super duper perk week and generiously gave 
persmission for the poster competition to ride on this! This means the 
winner - maybe YOU - will make it to the $500 PARTNER PERK level and win:

* access to the Inside TiddlyWiki discussion group, where you can review 
 early drafts of book content
 * listed in the book credits as a Partner of Inside TiddlyWiki 

* an autographed, first edition PRINTED COPY OF THE FINAL PUBLISHED BOOK 

* 4 hours credit toward private TiddlyWiki consulting services



Obviously all poster contributions thus far are potential candidates for 
this. But now you guys who have not yet put down your ideas into a poster - 
do so NOW and post it here or send it to me! 


The WINNER WILL BE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK END

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Alex


On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:

 [image: Inline images 1]

 Some kind of logo made from WikiText

   !  !  !
   * ]]~~~  ]]
  #



Very good. We could do with an ASCII art logo for embedding into the source
code...

Best wishes

Jeremy.




 On 23 December 2014 at 15:03, Mat matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work
 really :)


 But of course, haha! I can only agree w Felix - those are some terrific
 pictures!!

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-23 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi Jeremy

The rationale for a kitten being the mascot is that a well-fed kitten is 
 full of tiddlers...

 
Nice allegory.

The other reason is that I encountered Jack during a brief holiday in 
 Croatia just as I was leaving BT and deciding to work on TiddlyWiki5. I've 
 uploaded a bunch of the other photos here:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/jermy/sets/72157649476626450/


Truly amazing pictures in all your albums.

-Felix

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-23 Thread Jeremy Ruston
 Truly amazing pictures in all your albums.

Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work really
:)

Best wishes

Jeremy.


 -Felix




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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-23 Thread Felix Küppers


 Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work really 
 :)

 
Hehe, must be a camera then that has a great sense for mood, and for 
situations full of ambiance :)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-23 Thread Mat


 Thank you - although I think it's the camera that does all the work really 
 :)


But of course, haha! I can only agree w Felix - those are some terrific 
pictures!!

:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-23 Thread Alex Hough
[image: Inline images 1]

Some kind of logo made from WikiText

  !  !  !
  * ]]~~~  ]]
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 But of course, haha! I can only agree w Felix - those are some terrific
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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-22 Thread Felix Küppers
Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have:

   - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD
   - http://gruntjs.com/
   - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

Maybe that's also worth a thought at some point If we think of developing a 
corporate design.

-Felix

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-22 Thread Mat
WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea 
with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of 
manually typing the url, right?

Felix wrote:

 Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have:


There has been detabe on this before 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ.
 
I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg is probably as close as it gets.

:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-22 Thread wimm


 WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea 
 with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of 
 manually typing the url, right?


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-v9HCSwwL3hw/VJh1UZ9yW0I/ADw/vZs1tFLnSYY/s1600/qrcode.png

http://www.tiddlywiki.com
The QR-code can be scanned with your smart phone camera and an app, it will 
display the URL and then allows you to jump to the site with the browser.
 

 Felix wrote:

 Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have:


 There has been detabe on this before 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ.
  
 I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg is probably as close as it 
 gets.


Attached my version with Motovun Jack-logo and -pictures in pdf format. 
Motovun Jack images are of course (c) by Jeremy Ruston .

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tw5 poster QR-code motovun jack.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-22 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Felix, Mat,

 Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have

I think of Motovun Jack as being more of a mascot than a logo. The
distinction being that a logo is generally intended to be reproduced in a
consistent style/colours etc., whereas a mascot can be morphed and changed
to suit the purpose at hand.

The rationale for a kitten being the mascot is that a well-fed kitten is
full of tiddlers...

The other reason is that I encountered Jack during a brief holiday in
Croatia just as I was leaving BT and deciding to work on TiddlyWiki5. I've
uploaded a bunch of the other photos here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jermy/sets/72157649476626450/

Best wishes

Jeremy





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 WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea
 with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of
 manually typing the url, right?

 Felix wrote:

 Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have:


 There has been detabe on this before
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ.
 I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg is probably as close as it
 gets.

 :-)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-22 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Thanks for the explanation, Jeremy, I've always been intrigued by that cat, 
and wondered were it came from or why it is featured frequently in 
tiddlywiki matters.
Now that is one curious story, thanks for sharing!

On Monday, 22 December 2014 20:58:23 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Felix, Mat,

  Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have

 I think of Motovun Jack as being more of a mascot than a logo. The 
 distinction being that a logo is generally intended to be reproduced in a 
 consistent style/colours etc., whereas a mascot can be morphed and changed 
 to suit the purpose at hand.

 The rationale for a kitten being the mascot is that a well-fed kitten is 
 full of tiddlers...

 The other reason is that I encountered Jack during a brief holiday in 
 Croatia just as I was leaving BT and deciding to work on TiddlyWiki5. I've 
 uploaded a bunch of the other photos here:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/jermy/sets/72157649476626450/

 Best wishes

 Jeremy





 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Mat matia...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea 
 with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of 
 manually typing the url, right?

 Felix wrote:

 Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have:


 There has been detabe on this before 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ.
  
 I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg is probably as close as it 
 gets.

 :-)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-22 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Thanks for that explanation, Jeremy, I've always been intrigued by that 
cat, and wondered were it came from or why it is featured frequently in 
tiddlywiki related matters.
Now that is one curious story, thanks for sharing! This should definitely 
be officially featured in tiddlywiki.com as label for the image. :)


On Monday, 22 December 2014 20:58:23 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Felix, Mat,

  Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have

 I think of Motovun Jack as being more of a mascot than a logo. The 
 distinction being that a logo is generally intended to be reproduced in a 
 consistent style/colours etc., whereas a mascot can be morphed and changed 
 to suit the purpose at hand.

 The rationale for a kitten being the mascot is that a well-fed kitten is 
 full of tiddlers...

 The other reason is that I encountered Jack during a brief holiday in 
 Croatia just as I was leaving BT and deciding to work on TiddlyWiki5. I've 
 uploaded a bunch of the other photos here:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/jermy/sets/72157649476626450/

 Best wishes

 Jeremy





 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Mat matia...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 WiM - great that you're continuing the creative process! Interesting idea 
 with the QR code! Do people actually use those? I assume it is instead of 
 manually typing the url, right?

 Felix wrote:

 Just a question: Does Tiddlywiki have a logo like other projects have:


 There has been detabe on this before 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/tiddlywiki/logo/tiddlywiki/5kTbeR-tx8I/PVgA4XtzLWcJ.
  
 I think that as of TW5, Motovun Jack 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg is probably as close as it 
 gets.

 :-)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-17 Thread Mat
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:44:15 AM UTC+1, AlexHough wrote:

 http://sticklebacktiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com/ 
 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsticklebacktiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNGb7gBj-en5RrH146OzLBIr-g9UXg


Ya gotta love it! Scrolling down, I got a bit scared of the Teenage Mutant 
Ninja Tiddlers tho. Tiddlers are supposed to be small chunks, but those is 
clearly something with too much content. Sections or divs or something. 

If we have a $100 video competition, that one is in the lead so far.

Speaking of the competition: Do keep the contributions coming, here or to 
above stated email. And do suggest ideas too.

:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-16 Thread Alex Hough
I think it would be good to reach out to the StickleBack community. There
is a potential source of imagery, information to extend the small fish
metaphor.

My current favourite StickleBack researcher is Jolle Jolles [1]


He reports [2]:


Research carried out in the Zoology Department at the University of
Cambridge suggests that observations of these tiny fish, and how they
interact with one another, could provide important insights into the
dynamics of social groups, including humans.


The video of the research gives some indication of the quality of images
being produced - of individuals and schools.


Alex
[1] http://jollejolles.com/

[2]
http://jollejolles.com/bold-fish-less-sociable-thereby-affect-leadership-group-coordination/
[3]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TSim9TkXiwlist=UUvF0E42Vo5awEOAWIAQuy5w

On 15 December 2014 at 23:35, Mat matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:57:27 PM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos
 wrote:

 Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
 If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape users
 community page on Google+


 I think it's fair to say that all contributions in this competition are
 *intended* to be spread as absolutely much as possible - on the
 presumption that they are used for the promotion of TiddlyWiki or the
 TiddlyWiki community. If anyone objects, raise your voice now or yee shall
 forver be silent.

 However, I'm thinking we should add a small Copyright © TiddlyWiki
 community on the poster for a (microscopic) protection against some other
 part blatantly using our posters for other purposes. That local stickleback
 dealer, to name one fishy guy.

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-16 Thread Alex Hough
Ok here we go... a personal non linear online notebook exploring
sticklebacks and TiddlyWiki


http://sticklebacktiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com/


Alex

On 16 December 2014 at 21:39, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it would be good to reach out to the StickleBack community. There
 is a potential source of imagery, information to extend the small fish
 metaphor.

 My current favourite StickleBack researcher is Jolle Jolles [1]


 He reports [2]:


 Research carried out in the Zoology Department at the University of
 Cambridge suggests that observations of these tiny fish, and how they
 interact with one another, could provide important insights into the
 dynamics of social groups, including humans.


 The video of the research gives some indication of the quality of images
 being produced - of individuals and schools.


 Alex
 [1] http://jollejolles.com/

 [2]
 http://jollejolles.com/bold-fish-less-sociable-thereby-affect-leadership-group-coordination/
 [3]
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TSim9TkXiwlist=UUvF0E42Vo5awEOAWIAQuy5w

 On 15 December 2014 at 23:35, Mat matiasg...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:57:27 PM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos
 wrote:

 Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
 If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape
 users community page on Google+


 I think it's fair to say that all contributions in this competition are
 *intended* to be spread as absolutely much as possible - on the
 presumption that they are used for the promotion of TiddlyWiki or the
 TiddlyWiki community. If anyone objects, raise your voice now or yee shall
 forver be silent.

 However, I'm thinking we should add a small Copyright © TiddlyWiki
 community on the poster for a (microscopic) protection against some other
 part blatantly using our posters for other purposes. That local stickleback
 dealer, to name one fishy guy.

 :-)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-16 Thread Birthe C
Hi Alex,

When I saw your former links I couldn't help thinking, but where are the 
tiddlers? I did not have to worry for long ;-). Nice to see tiddlers 
holding several sticklebacks. And the big black one running over the 
screen, so funny.


Birthe

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:44:15 AM UTC+1, AlexHough wrote:

 Ok here we go... a personal non linear online notebook exploring 
 sticklebacks and TiddlyWiki


 http://sticklebacktiddlywiki.tiddlyspot.com/


 Alex

 On 16 December 2014 at 21:39, Alex Hough r.a@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 I think it would be good to reach out to the StickleBack community. There 
 is a potential source of imagery, information to extend the small fish 
 metaphor.

 My current favourite StickleBack researcher is Jolle Jolles [1]


 He reports [2]:


 Research carried out in the Zoology Department at the University of 
 Cambridge suggests that observations of these tiny fish, and how they 
 interact with one another, could provide important insights into the 
 dynamics of social groups, including humans.


 The video of the research gives some indication of the quality of images 
 being produced - of individuals and schools. 


 Alex 
 [1] http://jollejolles.com/

 [2] 
 http://jollejolles.com/bold-fish-less-sociable-thereby-affect-leadership-group-coordination/
 [3] 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TSim9TkXiwlist=UUvF0E42Vo5awEOAWIAQuy5w

 On 15 December 2014 at 23:35, Mat matia...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:57:27 PM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
 wrote:

 Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
 If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape 
 users community page on Google+


 I think it's fair to say that all contributions in this competition are 
 *intended* to be spread as absolutely much as possible - on the 
 presumption that they are used for the promotion of TiddlyWiki or the 
 TiddlyWiki community. If anyone objects, raise your voice now or yee shall 
 forver be silent.

 However, I'm thinking we should add a small Copyright © TiddlyWiki 
 community on the poster for a (microscopic) protection against some other 
 part blatantly using our posters for other purposes. That local stickleback 
 dealer, to name one fishy guy.

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-16 Thread Birthe C
Hi Alex,

When I saw your former links I couldn't help thinking, but where are the 
tiddlers? I did not have to worry for long ;-). Nice to see tiddlers 
holding several sticklebacks. And the big black one running over the 
screen, so funny.

Birthe



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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-16 Thread Birthe C
Hi Alex,

When I saw your former links I couldn't help thinking, but where are the 
tiddlers? I did not have to worry for long ;-). Nice to see tiddlers 
holding several sticklebacks. And the big black one running over the 
screen, so funny.

Biggest tiddler caught 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647125/Britains-biggest-tiddler-Angler-catches-biggest-stickleback-Britain-second-year-three-grams-heavier-one-caught-year.html


Birthe








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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
This is probably the best attempt at graphically expressing what the 
tiddlywiki functionality is. Pretty cool

On Monday, 15 December 2014 06:25:47 UTC, wimm wrote:

 This is my attempt
 WiM


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi WiM,

this is really a cool picture!

Under which license did you publish it? Would you mind granting me the 
rights to use it as it I want to use it for my tw-taskgraph plugin :)

Your graphical elements really look like the nodes in taskgraph.

See the demo here: http://wkpr.de/hosting/tmp/tw5/taskgraph/

Felix


Am Montag, 15. Dezember 2014 07:25:47 UTC+1 schrieb wimm:

 This is my attempt
 WiM


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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread Matias Goldman
2014-12-15 17:23 GMT+01:00 Felix Küppers felixkuepp...@hotmail.de:

 Under which license did you publish it? Would you mind granting me the
 rights to use it as it I want to use it for my tw-taskgraph plugin :)


Yes WiM, great that you're contributing!

Felix, while it of course is nice that you ask WiM, I stated in an earlier
message that:

This competition and the poster is of course for the benefit of the TW
 community (us!) so it should be clear that all contributions belong to the
 community and can be manipulated by anyone for the promotion of TW.


I would include promoting your tw-taskgraph in promoting TW.

:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread wimm
second attempt added some text (required according to the rules ;-)
WiM

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread Mat
On Monday, December 15, 2014 7:17:18 PM UTC+1, wimm wrote:

 second attempt added some text (required according to the rules ;-)
 WiM


Sorry if I've been unclear: text is* not at all required*. The 
contributions are judged according to how well they are perceived to 
accomplish the goal i.e to attract people to try out TW. It could be a 
poster showing... well just anything, at least hypothetically.

The point I made on Dec. 11 regarding text was that a poster with a mere 
dedicated space for text is not good because it is not something anyone 
can actually use. It is not a finished poster for anyone to simply print 
out. But if your poster is *supposed* to look a certain way, with or 
without text (or images, or whatever) then, hey, go ahead!

I'm sorry if I was unclear but I'm happy you brought this up! Don't 
hesitate to tell me if there's anything unclear.

Again, WiM, thank you for your contribution!!!

:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread Mat
 @everybody

One more thing; please note that it is not necessary to post your poster 
here in the google group. You can also email to me at: *boardsmm at gmail 
dot com* as I stated in the introductory announcement.

Notice that the competition is for the good of TW - *we want the best 
poster -(s?) possible for TW* - so, just like with TW and open source, it 
is fully allowed to take ideas from others and improve on them. This means 
it is also a risk putting up your contributions on the boards.


:-)


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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread Felix Küppers


 Felix, while it of course is nice that you ask WiM, I stated in an earlier 
 message that:

 This competition and the poster is of course for the benefit of the TW 
 community (us!) so it should be clear that all contributions belong to the 
 community and can be manipulated by anyone for the promotion of TW.


 I would include promoting your tw-taskgraph in promoting TW.


Nice! Thanks for this clarification Mat! The I will use it for my purposes. 
:)

Felix

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread wimm
Felix,
your welcome
WiM

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread Felix Küppers


 Felix,
 your welcome
 WiM


Thanks WiM! 

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-15 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Is it ok if we post the posters elsewhere?
If you are ok with it I would later like to post it on the Inkscape users 
community page on Google+

On Monday, 15 December 2014 20:19:13 UTC, Felix Küppers wrote:

 Felix,
 your welcome
 WiM


 Thanks WiM! 


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-14 Thread wimm
This is my attempt
WiM

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-13 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
I think that the poster graphic should be an integral part of the message. 
It can't be just a pretty picture; it must convey its own message as well. 
That's part of why I like the fish version better than the diamond. It has 
TiddlyWiki represented by the fish (I doubt that anyone on this side of the 
pond will see the picture and think Oh, that's a stylized three spined 
stickleback also known as a tiddler) sucking in chaos and pooping out 
order. The diamond... something valuable with scaffolding perhaps?

One of the dictums they teach every beginning writer is to Show not Tell. 
Obviously showing what TiddlyWiki can do on a poster is a lot harder than 
just telling is going to be a challenge but I think the graphic should make 
the attempt. 

By the way, Duarte, my favorite of the posters suggested so far, is your 
fish.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-13 Thread Felix Küppers
@David - Just wanted to say, I really like your text (and the word styling 
of the words links and tags is also a great idea). Its clean and 
simple, yet creates interest.

Felix

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-13 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
That's what I tried to achieve with the images here to a certain extent:

   - The fish represents the tiddler
   - The crystal and nodes represent how the several linking elements 
   (links, tags, wikiwords,etc.) constitute the backbone of a tiddlywiki
   - And the diamond resulted fromEric Shulman's suggestion and I quote 
   implication being that the facets are tiddlers, and bringing them together 
   in an organized way makes a very valuable result - and solid if I may add

Although has you said conveying through images the abstract concepts of a 
wiki and information is very hard, and not always universal (like the 
fish, in Portuguese for example a *tiddler *means absolutely nothing).

Still we can start aiming here on the opposite direction and perhaps 
instead try to associate a strong (even if somewhat random) image with 
tiddywiki brand

On Saturday, 13 December 2014 18:05:50 UTC, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 I think that the poster graphic should be an integral part of the message. 
 It can't be just a pretty picture; it must convey its own message as well. 
 That's part of why I like the fish version better than the diamond. It has 
 TiddlyWiki represented by the fish (I doubt that anyone on this side of the 
 pond will see the picture and think Oh, that's a stylized three spined 
 stickleback also known as a tiddler) sucking in chaos and pooping out 
 order. The diamond... something valuable with scaffolding perhaps?

 One of the dictums they teach every beginning writer is to Show not 
 Tell. Obviously showing what TiddlyWiki can do on a poster is a lot harder 
 than just telling is going to be a challenge but I think the graphic should 
 make the attempt. 

 By the way, Duarte, my favorite of the posters suggested so far, is your 
 fish.


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-12 Thread Birthe C
Hi Stephen
The prescription is my  favourit. I seem to have problems finding the right 
daily dose though.


Birthe


On Friday, December 12, 2014 4:30:16 AM UTC+1, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 I have about artistic ability as a can of beans but if it will help prompt 
 a few more folks to turn something into the competition... Here are two 
 entries from me. 


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-12 Thread Tobias Beer


 The prescription is my  favourit. I seem to have problems finding the 
 right daily dose though.


:D

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-12 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/Diamond_TiddlyWikiPoster.jpg
What do you think, @Eric Shulman?

Once again, all proposals are full vector artworks, drawn in Inkscape, and 
available as SVG files for native inclusion in tiddlywiki.
This one had an auxiliary 3D model in Blender to get the diamond shape just 
right.


On Friday, 12 December 2014 07:34:30 UTC, Eric Shulman wrote:


 On Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:41:37 PM UTC-8, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
 wrote:

 http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Nodetree.jpg
 Hahahah the pooping fish design made me laugh, nice nickname!
 The connecting words is actually a great idea, made a new poster based 
 on the concept more abstract design if you are more into that sort of thing.
 Think wikiwords, tags and links that connect tiddlers together in a 
 complex global network mesh, hope you like it.


 Suggestion: make the crystal shape in the middle a classic symmetric 
 diamond cut (58 triangular and kite-shaped facets)... the implication being 
 that the facets are tiddlers, and bringing them together in an organized 
 way makes a very valuable result.

 http://ddca.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/CutDiagramScaled.png

 -e


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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-12 Thread Andreas Hahn

Am 13.12.2014 01:23, schrieb Duarte Farrajota Ramos:
Once again, all proposals are full vector artworks, drawn in Inkscape, 
and available as SVG files for native inclusion in tiddlywiki.
This one had an auxiliary 3D model in Blender to get the diamond shape 
just right.


And once again, it looks very nice. I really like the idea of trying to 
expressing the concept of TiddlyWiki through geometric shapes. I however 
also think that any text included in such
a poster should be easily readable and particularly the bottom text 
might be a bit too much grey on grey ?


/Andreas

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Re: [tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-12 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Right you are, should any of tese posters win, some color adjustments to 
the text might have to be made. Some times what's more visually appealing 
is not always easier to read.
Also, if these are to be print-ready, those backgrounds might be a little 
environment unfriendly and cost ineffective, and color ink might not always 
be available so maybe a monochrome version might be in order.

On Saturday, 13 December 2014 00:49:25 UTC, Andreas Hahn wrote:

 Am 13.12.2014 01:23, schrieb Duarte Farrajota Ramos: 
  Once again, all proposals are full vector artworks, drawn in Inkscape, 
  and available as SVG files for native inclusion in tiddlywiki. 
  This one had an auxiliary 3D model in Blender to get the diamond shape 
  just right. 

 And once again, it looks very nice. I really like the idea of trying to 
 expressing the concept of TiddlyWiki through geometric shapes. I however 
 also think that any text included in such 
 a poster should be easily readable and particularly the bottom text 
 might be a bit too much grey on grey ? 

 /Andreas 


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-12 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_TiddlerB.jpg
Updated version with some small color tweaks and size adjustments to better 
fit new paper size, also added a slight shadow to help the little tiddler 
pop out a little more.

On Thursday, 11 December 2014 17:40:07 UTC, Duarte Farrajota Ramos wrote:

 Thanks everyone for the positive feedback.

 Haha didn't know about the babel fish from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the 
 Galaxy, so that must be where the name of the old yahoo translation website 
 came from.

 I did forget to mention the ideia behind it all, this was actually 
 inspired by an idea that ran quite some time ago back when you were 
 searching for an official icon for TiddlyWiki. I always thought the word 
 *tiddler 
 *came from *tiddly* as small or compact and simple, but apparently as 
 Stephen mentioned it is also a fish species whose scientific name, 
 according to Wikipedia, is Three-Spined Stickleback.
 Doing a Google search I found a few nice images which I use as reference 
 reference, and the colors are actually more or less accurate according to 
 the last image found in this website http://imgkid.com/stickleback.shtml, 
 with some artistic liberties in the mix of course.

 So it should be pretty straightforward now, the fish obviously came from 
 the tiddler species, and those lines, that go in all tangled and come 
 out straight and lined up represent how tiddlywiki is great for organizing 
 and displaying your information in a neat and customizable fashion. The 
 triangulated low poly style 
 https://www.google.com/search?tbm=ischhl=enlr=lang_en%7Clang_ptq=low%20poly%20vector
  
 seems to be pretty much the thing currently throughout the internet, did 
 my best to capture that feeling.


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Birthe C
Hi Duarte
Lovely fish, beautifully coloured. We could pick colours from that for many 
a TiddlyWiki palette.


Birthe

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 5:33:04 AM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
wrote:

 http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Tiddler.jpg
 Ok, so here is my entry, what do you guys think?
 The text is generic, may be adjusted to whatever you want later, its was 
 designed in Inkscape so the original is a full vector artwork available in 
 SVG:




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer


 Ok, so here is my entry, what do you guys think?


It's pretty awesome, is what I think. 

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
My immediate thought was that it was a Babel fish. Aren't Babel fish was 
yellow? (And if you don't know what a Babel fish is then you need to refer 
to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.) On further thought, its that 
European fish with the slang name tiddler.

It's very nice. I can see us using that on the HelloThere page.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Mat
Thank you Duarte!

As jury (er, I mean, as part of the *grand* jury, of course) I will 
intentionally refrain from expressing what I think of it right now other 
than to say that you're clearly displaying graphical skill. As mentioned 
previously, this is not a criteria *per se* for the purpose described so I 
hope nobody gets scared off.

As an encouragement to everybody - this actually is the *only* contibution 
coming in thus far! You can't let Duarte win this without any competition, 
can you? Consider that you're doing it for the improvement of TW and that 
you win the *$100 perks* in the Inside Tiddlywiki: the Missing Manual 
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual:

   - Participate in online review and feedback
   - PLUS listed as a Sponsor of Inside TiddlyWiki online and in the 
   final publication
   - PLUS credit for one hour of private consulting to evaluate/debug one 
   of your original TiddlyWiki documents.


This last bullet alone - one hour of private consultation from a Silicon 
Valley programming expert specialized in TiddlyWiki - is worth many times 
the $100.


Have you dismissed some things as so difficult I don't even know where to 
start so I'll just leave it...but it would be fantastic if...  - well, 
Eric can help you!

Imagine talking with Eric *right now* - what would you bring up? 


:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
It's got something organic to chew on, producing some rather clear output 
(not sure about the metaphor :D ) ...it's got a bit of a techie, edgy feel, 
but playful ...it's futuristic, but an animal ... simple, but colorful as a 
rainbow. Kinda cute.

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