Re: [TV orNotTV] Canadian election coverage Monday night

[Chris Neuman]

I’m a CBC man myself, going back to the Knowlton Nash years. Can’t think of
a Kornacki surrogate … maybe someone from 338? (For our US viewers, there
are 338 seats in the House of Commons; comparisons to Nate Silver are
encouraged).

On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 17:21 Doug Eastick  wrote:

> Our federal election is on Monday.  As I was driving today, I started
> wondering who the Canadian Kornacki is.  Who's the "map/wall person"?
>
> I'll have to look at the various network teams this weekend.
>
> Any Canadian listers have network preferences?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: White House daily briefings...

[Chris Neuman]

It’s a relief to hear anything at all coming from the briefing room that
isn’t either stone silence or personal insults in the direction of
reporters.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:51 Kevin M.  wrote:

> ... are back.
>
> If I hear the phrase “I’m going to circle back on that” one more time,
> there will be violence
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Should I know any of these people?

[Chris Neuman]

Do you have some recommendations? I would like to check some of this out,
given I know almost nothing about online content generators.

Chris

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:12 Kevin M.  wrote:

> There are artists and creative people producing content online who are
> worthy of recognition. I don’t see any of their names on this list.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Live PD cancelled by A

[Chris Neuman]

Anyone wanting to hear more on LivePD and its predecessor Cops, the
“Running From Cops” podcast (6 parts) was excellent.

https://www.topic.com/runningfromcops

Chris

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:20 M-D November  wrote:

> Am I wrong in thinking that Dan Abrams may have actually been in charge of
> MSNBC at one point...?
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 11:14:16 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
>> LivePD host Dan Abrams was interviewed today by Brianna Keilar on CNN.
>> I’d not seen the show, and only remember Abrams as a reporter during the OJ
>> Simpson trial. I think he had a show on MSNBC for a while, but so has
>> almost everybody.
>>
>> Keilar attempted to employ what I guess are now termed gotcha questions,
>> but most of them didn’t land. All they did was create fake adversarial
>> tension. Frankly it got annoying.
>>
>> Were I to examine this interview through the prism of race, it’s very
>> telling that the white CNN host is interviewing the white host of LivePD
>> about the systemic racism the media helps to create/sustain. It’s equally
>> telling Keilar went from this interview to an interview with Sean Penn
>> (whom she fawned over) for another old white man’s take on racial injustice.
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediaite.com/tv/dan-abrams-defends-live-pd-in-heated-clash-with-cnns-brianna-keilar/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:00 PM stannc  wrote:
>>
>>> It follows this week’s cancellation of “COPS”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/live-pd-a-e-javier-ambler-austin-black-lives-matter-1234630742/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] What show were you watching when a major news event happened?

[Chris Neuman]

My wife and I moved from Toronto to Chicago about 10 days before September
11. We were staying with a friend in Lincoln Park while we waited for our
place to be ready in Evanston and we’re occupying he second bedroom with a
view of the El tracks just south of Belmont. What woke us up first was the
relative absence of trains, then our host knocking and saying we should get
up and get to the TV. We watched like most people, transfixed, keenly aware
that we had just become foreigners, immigrants (Though I don’t pretend to
assume what we experienced was anything like our racialized friends). I
never saw so many flags on front steps in the space of 12 hours. And the
three Canadians huddled in a walk up on Bissell Street were delighted to
find a channel that carried the CBC coverage. The dulcet tones of Peter
Mansbridge and the less dulcet tones of PM Jean Chrétien were a balm in
those first raw hours.

Sorry, not “what we’re you watching” but as I recall the channel
simulcasting CBC involved Al Gore — if memory serves it eventually became
Al Jazeera US, maybe?

Chris

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 20:01 Ben Scripps  wrote:

> I was in middle school English when Challenger happened; they ended up
> sending us home early that day.
>
> Like Kevin, I slept through the first couple of hours of 9/11.  When I
> woke up around 11, I had a breathless message from a friend telling me to
> turn on the TV because something terrible had happened.  Once the tube
> warmed up, whatever channel I was on was showing the Pentagon, and as I
> stepped up through the channels to get to my station, each channel along
> the way happened to be either on the Pentagon or in-studio anchors, leaving
> me to think “Well, a plane crashing into the Pentagon certainly is tragic,
> but it’s not that big a deal."  Then I hit the Home Shopping Channel and
> saw they’d shut down and knew there must be more than what I’d seen.  One
> of the weirdest days I’ve ever had at work.
>
> And Stan, I got the reference as soon as I saw “Texxon”.  Still one of my
> favorite bits of SNL of all time.
>
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:41 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>
> As I look back, I wasn’t watching TV during any of the big moments.
>
> Challenger disaster: I was in Catholic school. We were in the habit of
> watching shuttle launches in the classroom to the point where it had become
> monotonous, so we didn’t even watch it live. It wasn’t until the principal
> came into the classroom and told the teacher the turn on the TV that we saw
> it replayed. However, a camera crew from KABC 7 went to my sister’s high
> school to get reaction from young people. If anybody has that videotape,
> please send it my way.
>
> 9/11: I was working a graveyard shift at a Kinkos-like copy store and had
> gotten home from work. Maybe an hour after I fell asleep, a friend called
> me and asked if I was watching. I asked what channel, and he replied “Every
> channel... we are at war.”
>
> Colombia disaster: I was in the Peace Corps in an Internet cafe in
> Kazakhstan. There was undoubtedly a mix of over-bass techno music playing
> overhead. One stranger walked over to me and patted me on the shoulder and
> said “I’m sorry” in Russian. A few seconds later another stranger did the
> same. I didn’t even know why they were offering condolences at that moment.
>
> Addendum: I recently bought and watched an episode of Kojak on the iTunes
> Store, specifically because the episode was originally broadcast the exact
> day and year I was born. If you ever get the chance, do some research and
> find media from your actual date of birth. There is no way anything
> remotely resembling that hour of television could be broadcast today. The
> treatment of women, the portrayals of minorities and drug use... oh my.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:29 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> Aug 8th 1974, around 9:00pm east... "The Mac Davis Show," whose star was
>> riding the *Billboard* charts at the time, got its ending cut off when
>> on came whichever anchor (I'm guessing Reasoner) ready to throw it to the
>> White House, where President Nixon would shortly announce his resignation.
>> (I don't recall being able to watch the moon landing live.)
>>
>> B
>>
>> daniel anderson, today (7/23):
>>
>>> I was watching the World Series in 1989 when the Earthquake happened. I
>>> can still remember hearing Al Michaels say "I'll tell you what, we're
>>> having an earth-" before the feed cut out. I remember ABC airing something
>>> else for a few minutes, before Ted Koppel came on form Washington(where he
>>> was hosting Nightline).
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The NHL season has been paused

[Chris Neuman]

Trying to decide if that says more about Fox Sports or about your gym. :)

Chris

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 16:27 Kevin M.  wrote:

> A few times, the TV in my gym’s locker room was showing bowling on Fox
> Sports.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:04 PM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 12, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>> >  I can't imagine what the sports channels are going to do.
>>
>> Speculation: classic games and documentaries. (I can easily see ESPN
>> loading up the schedule with their “30 for 30” films, for example.)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] late nighty-night (change of status)

[Chris Neuman]

IIRC, Krasinski is schedule to host the Mar 28 show; they’re dark this
weekend and next. One assumes they’re taking it day by day.

Chris

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 15:00 M-D November  wrote:

> Interestingly, even though NBC!Jimmy and Seth have already cancelled their
> tapings for the foreseeable future, there's been no news about SNL.
> They're dark this week, but if memory serves, they were supposed to be live
> next Saturday with John Krasinski as host (promoting a movie which has, in
> related news, had its release pushed back - making him the 2nd host in a
> row in that predicament). My gut says that if they stopped production on
> "Tonight" and "Late Night", which could conceivably be done with skeleton
> crews, then SNL has to be called off, since there's NO way to do a
> stripped-down version of that show (unless you just do 90 minutes of
> Weekend Update).
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> On a related note - has there been any word about TDS or LWT?  I know
> audiences are off the table, but I don't remember seeing anything about
> either show suspending production.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Country Music (Ken Burns)

[Chris Neuman]

I haven’t watched the series yet though I plan to. This conversation did
however remind me of a segment of “On the Media” (WNYC show/podcast) about
country music and conservatism — a pairing I/we generally accept as “‘‘twas
ever thus” but apparently is not as old as I thought. It’s an Interesting
listen.

Link to the segment:
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/how-country-music-went-conservative

Chris

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 20:39 PGage  wrote:

> Thanks for these reflections. I am sorry to hear about your dad, and glad
> some of this music was comforting for you.
>
> By now I am familiar with the idea that what people love about Country
> Music is the stories (both Burns and Blake Shelton repeat this endlessly).
> I respect that millions of people find that to be true, but for the most
> part I do not. Except for artists like Cash, and the part of Country that
> crosses over into Folk or “Americana” (and for me Johnny Cash is more of a
> folk singer than a country singer anyway) the stories in country music are
> ( with all due respect) kind of trite and simplistic. Still, a jazz artist
> I very much respect (Wynton Marsalis) is quoted frequently in the Doc
> praising the storytelling, and his opinion is worth a hell of a lot more
> than mine.
>
> You bring up something else I really was interested in, which is the
> musicianship in Country music. The fiddlers, and the banjo players and the
> rest. This is part of what has always attracted me to bluegrass music, but
> I think I have been guilty of grossly under appreciating the guitar
> virtuosity in a lot of country music.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 6:22 PM Diner  wrote:
>
>> I am a country fan, though I've always thought of myself as more of a fan
>> of specific artists than of the genre as a whole. I've been a longtime fan
>> of Buck Owens and Chet Atkins (Chet is my guitar god - I can play dozens of
>> his songs at about half the speed!), but I know next to nothing about
>> Waylon Jennings and Merle Haggard. But this series gave me a great
>> education on them, and many others. And I loved that they spent so much
>> time interviewing people like Rosanne Cash and Marty Stuart who are steeped
>> in the music's history and can discuss it with great insight.
>>
>> I tried to watch it during the first run, but after a few nights I knew I
>> wouldn't have the time. Fortunately, one of the stations in my area was
>> running one episode a week on Saturday afternoons, so after a couple months
>> I caught up.
>>
>> I saw the final episode last weekend, which was a month after my dad died
>> suddenly. The last episode had a segment on the Kathy Mattea ballad
>> "Where've You Been," which I've heard hundreds of times but never made me
>> cry before. Then the very next segment was on ANOTHER weeper about death,
>> Vince Gill's "Go Rest High on That Mountain." So it was a real double
>> whammy! But stuff like that is what country does so well that no other
>> genre can do. And Burns' documentary examined that well without wallowing
>> in it.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 1:26:24 PM UTC-5, PGage wrote:
>>>
>>> I binged the Doc last weekend, and was surprised by how much I liked it,
>>> given that I knew little about the genre, and liked little of what I knew.
>>> I am wondering if my positive reaction was a function of my ignorance; I
>>> know more about Jazz, and a lot more about baseball, and had more issues
>>> with those docs (I am re-watching Jazz now to remember more clearly what
>>> those were). I am wondering what real country music fans thought of the
>>> show? I found it to be interesting pop history, but it did not really make
>>> me want to listen to more Country Music, aside from those on the margins
>>> that I already listen to.
>>>
>>> It helped me that so much of the show was built around the Carter-Cash
>>> Family, and Hank Williams, since Williams and Cash are two of the few
>>> country acts I know and like. I was also pleased to see the emphasis in the
>>> later episodes on acts that I think of as only quasi Country, and are among
>>> my favorites (e.g. Willy Nelson and Emmylou Harris).
>>>
>>> The show shed some light on the seeming authenticity fetish in country
>>> music (here my main information comes from Blake Shelton on The Voice). I
>>> have been wondering for some years why he makes such a big deal about being
>>> “real country blah blah blah” but now I gather this is more a counter to
>>> the pop crossover pressure than an attack on non-country artists. But it
>>> raised another question - Shelton seems to often use Patsy Cline and
>>> Loretta Lyn as hallmarks of the classic country music sound when evaluating
>>> female country singers on the show, yet the Burn’s doc seems to tell us
>>> that Cline and Lyn are products of the “Nashville Sound”, which I
>>> understood to be a more orchestrated pop crossover sound than original,
>>> twangy Country. Shouldn’t that make Cline (whose voice I actually love) 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Alex Trebek

[Chris Neuman]

I’ve begun to notice a little bit of wobbliness in his hosting duties over
the past few episodes, and I’d imagine other will have too. None of it
seems so serious as to impact his hosting duties but it’s disheartening all
the same.

Chris

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:29 Kevin M.  wrote:

> In an interview up in Canada, Trebek admitted the cancer is starting to
> noticeably (to him) impact his ability to host his show.
>
>
> https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/alex-trebek-tells-lisa-laflamme-i-m-not-afraid-of-dying-1.4625438
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:27 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
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>> Alex suffers a setback... back on chemo
>>
>>
>> https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/jeopardy-host-alex-trebek-undergoing-chemotherapy-numbers-sky-65651536
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 11:28 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 8:11 PM Steve Timko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Alex Trebek, saying he's on the mend, back at 'Jeopardy!'

 LOS ANGELES (AP) - "Jeopardy!" host Alex Trebek has returned to work,
 saying he's "on the mend" following treatment for pancreatic cancer.

 The game show posted a video Thursday on Twitter showing the
 79-year-old host back on set and promising "a good year" ahead. He actually
 started work on July 22, his birthday.

 New episodes of the upcoming Season 36 are slated to begin airing on
 Sept. 9.

 Trebek announced his diagnosis in March. He said he planned to beat the
 disease's low survival rate with the love and support of family and friends
 and with prayers from viewers.

 The American Cancer Society estimates 3% of patients with stage 4
 pancreatic cancer are alive 5 years after being diagnosed.

>>>
>>> Here's a season premiere promo video from the Jeopardy folks:
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/Jeopardy/status/1167142434653868032
>>>
>>> And a today show segment they retweeted:
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1167406394573762560
>>> https://twitter.com/Jeopardy/status/116714243465
>>> https://twitter.com/Jeopardy/status/1167142434653868032?s=20
>>> https://twitter.com/Jeopardy/status/1167142434653868032?s=20
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Re: [TV orNotTV] New episode of Seinfeld's "Comedians in Cars Drinking Coffee" drops

[Chris Neuman]

Maniscalco is also in the upcoming Scorsese film “The Irishman,” dropping
this fall on — where else — Netflix.

Chris

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 05:18 Ron Casalotti  wrote:

> <>
>
> Yes he's that hot. Likely due to that first appearance, he's selling out
> arenas, like Madison Square Garden, across the country.
>
> Ron Casalotti
> Monroe, NJ
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[TV orNotTV] AP Bio cancelled by NBC

[Chris Neuman]

Mike O’Brien announced on his Twitter feed on Friday. Widely reported
(here’s TV Wrap):
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/nbc-cancels-a-p-bio-after-2-seasons/amp/

Disappointing, to say the least. This was a great show and a breakout role
for Paula Pell. The students were also great, particularly Allisyn Arm as
Heather (the one with the glasses).

Chris

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Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC Fall Annotated

[Chris Neuman]

Dave, I’m genuinely curious: are there any shows you actually like?

Chris

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 14:54 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I'm always kind of surprised to think that people actually watch "Will and
> Grace." It's like I'm always shocked to realize that "Grey's Anatomy" is
> still stinking up the airwaves.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 9:36:35 AM UTC-7, Doug Fields wrote:
>>
>> Returning mid-season, along with Manifest.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2019/05/nbc-fall-2019-20-schedule-upfronts-new-shows-this-is-us-nfl-little-big-shots-mike-schur-will-and-grace-manifest-1202612948/
>>
>>
>> Doug Fields
>>
>> Tampa, FL
>>
>> 
>> NBC Fall 2019-20 Schedule: Little Change; ‘Will & Grace’, ‘Manifest’ Get
>> Midseason Premieres – Deadline
>> 
>> deadline.com
>> The Comcast-owned net has unveiled its fall and midseason schedule & it
>> is a lot like the season that's just about to end.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Doug Eastick 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:01 PM
>> *To:* tvor...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC Fall Annotated
>>
>> Where isWill and Grace ?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Paris' Notre-Dame cathedral burning

[Chris Neuman]

I was not aware Donald Trump had expertise in saving Gothic cathedrals from
fire. I'm sure les pompiers de Paris were flummoxed at what to do until his
sage tweet landed on their cell phones. I'm also sure a plane dropping
6000L of water is precisely the answer for fire suppression in a densly
populated area (as opposed to a forest), not to mention preserving the
structural integrity of an 800-year-old structure.

Maybe stick to your lane, though I'm not sure what that lane is.



On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 2:35 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The spire collapsed. Saving precious objets d'art inside is difficult.
> Trump suggested dropping water from aircraft, but experts argued the
> integrity of the building would be compromised thereby.
>
> https://news.yahoo.com/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-fire-173249228.html
> (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Apple Announces TV+

[Chris Neuman]

I'm curious, for selfish reasons, how this will impact the Canadian market.

Most Canadians have OTA access to the big three or four - CTV, Global,
CBC,and City -- which between them mirror most of the US network primetime
programs. And most Canadians with cable have American feeds of the main
networks plus PBS, and in some cases two sets (I have CBS/NBC/ABC/Fox/PBS
from Spokane and Detroit). As for cable programming, some channels exist
and simulcast in both countries (AMC, FXX), some channels have
identically-named Canadian versions that carry most programming (IFC), some
have analogue channels that seem to carry most of each other's stuff
(MuchMusic carries a lot of MTV, Comedy Channel carries a lot of Comedy
Central), and finally the premium channels tend to be bundled together (My
"HBO" package gives me HBO Canada, which carries all the series and a lot
of the one-off episodes, as well as Showtime).

Streaming is a dog's breakfast. Netflix Canada carries all the original
programming of Netflix US but there are vast differences in the licensed
stuff. Amazon Prime in Canada just started providing access to its
streaming services. Hulu isn't accessible unless you have VPN. I haven't
heard anything about Disney, Warner, CBS, or anything else being available
in Canada.

If they don't have deals for these streaming services in Canada, I predict
an uptick of Kodi-type boxes.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:42 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Remember in the early-90s when cable TV exploded, and we were promised 500
> channels of original, unique content, but instead we got Law and Order
> reruns on multiple channels, with a smattering of original shows to give
> the illusion of choice?
>
> Here we go again.
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 2:38 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 3:46 PM M-D November 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/25/18280920/apple-tv-streaming-service-announcement-price-date-launch-event-2019
>>>
>>> Essentially, Prime Video, if Prime Video were all original series and
>>> didn't also come with the sweet, sweet free shipping.  Pricing TBD.
>>>
>>
>> The news may not be much on its own. Add to it the upcoming Disney+
>> streaming service and AT's Warner Media streaming service and all that
>> together can turn the TV business on its head.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] WarnerMedia s**t

[Chris Neuman]

Fun fact: Hauppauge, according to Wikipedia, is the home town of Lori
Loughlin, she of "Full House" and "My daughter needs help getting into USC"
fame.

Chris

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:01 PM stannc  wrote:

> From Newsday:
>
> “The 60,000-square-foot Hauppauge satellite facility was built in 1983 for
> $14 million and was considered state-of-the-art at the time. A Newsday
> story at the time said the site would transmit movies, sports and
> entertainment specials to 3,600 cable systems in mainland United States,
> and to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. It also was expected to house
> program origination operations that were relocated from a Manhattan studio.
> An HBO executive said at the time that the new location would allow HBO to
> gain access to satellites in addition to the ones owned and operated by
> RCA. Long Island, another executive said, would also provide "easy access"
> to the main office in Manhattan and to a talented workforce. ”
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Re: [TV orNotTV] So long, Hal Blaine

[Chris Neuman]

I fancied myself a drummer in high school and have always tried to learn
more about the greats, but somehow I missed Hal Blaine. To then find that
he was the session drummer for just about every Simon & Garfunkel song you
can think of, not to mention The Beach Boys as a member of the Wrecking
Crew, was pretty amazing. Shortly after i found those tidbits out, my phone
rang. My ringtone, of course, is the beginning of "Taste of Honey" by Herb
Alpert, featuring drums by  Hal Blaine. Guy was everywhere. As his
family put it, may he rest on the 2 and the 4.

Chris




On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:31 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Arguably our nation's greatest session drummer, for whom there should be a
> website devoted to chronicling all the (mostly recognizable) songs he
> helped record with a group of colleagues he allegedly dubbed "The Wrecking
> Crew" (also the name of a 2008 documentary about them, not to be confused
> with one of Dean Martin's "Matt Helm" escapades)... just last month, at 90,
> he performed at his own birthday party at a Studio City (L.A.) night club
> one of those colleagues founded in 1970.
>
> Variety
> 
> (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie review: "Street Legal" reboot

[Chris Neuman]

I wonder if Peter's retirement was the impetus for Cynthia Dale to get out
of the house. I can imagine Peter, sitting around their Forest Hills (I'm
guessing? Maybe Rosedale, but certainly not Bridle Path) pile, former
summer-only beard now on a year-round feature, practicing his anchor
delivery to a mirror while sipping a nice Pelee Island gewurz and popping
Hawkins Cheesies. Cheese stained drunk Peter would be best in small doses,
I'd think.

(This slice of elite Toronto-specific Canadian life brought to you by an
Edmontonian frustrated as he looks out the window at 6 *more* inches of
snow.)


On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 5:41 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> It seems Peter is enjoying his retirement.
>
>
>
> On Thu., Mar. 7, 2019, 6:58 p.m. Brad Beam,  wrote:
>
>> I was considering a "new CBC breadwinner in the household" quip
>>
>> @YYZ
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 17:55, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>
>> And the wife of Peter Mansbridge.
>>
>>
>> On Mon., Mar. 4, 2019, 9:29 p.m. Brad Beam, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why was I thinking “Chase”? It’s Novak.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Brad Beam
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 22:56
>>> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] Quickie review: "Street Legal" reboot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Olivia Chase returns in a post-Ford Toronto and (nearly post-?)Trudeau
>>> Canada. The theme's happy sax is replaced with minor keys. This is not your
>>> father's "Street Legal."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Season 9 (or "1 again"... what does it matter anymore?) will focus on a
>>> season-long case instead of the case du jour as Olivia leaves her
>>> financially-hemorrhaging partnership on Bay Street to join a gritty firm
>>> (working out of a garage!) whose (sexier! younger!) lawyers usurped her
>>> Big Pharma class-action.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As per tradition, cast members from SL:TOS will be dropping by.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And for a rural rebuttal, Oscar L. of Dog River, Sask.:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGh914IaqSA=33s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _   _
>>>
>>> |_>|_>  Brad Beam, on vacation- St John’s NL
>>>
>>> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons retires Michael Jackson episode

[Chris Neuman]

Were they unaware of the accusations around Mr Jackson before the
documentary? I was under the impression it was, to borrow a term, kind of a
big deal.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:14 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> After watching “Finding Neverland,” the producers have yanked the episode
> from syndication, streaming, and downloading services... they’ll be coming
> for your DVDs next.
>
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/simpsons-episode-guest-starring-michael-jackson-pulled-circulation-1193215
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ken Burns' next epic

[Chris Neuman]

There is precedent for him to go back and bring viewers up to date, as he
did with his baseball "Extra Innings" series that covered the drug scandals
of the aughts, etc.

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 12:39 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> "Country Music," gracing the Peeb for eight nights this September, was
> touted to TCA Friday (2/1)... it was cut down to that by cutting off its
> timeline at the mid-90s, not that there won't be contemporaries from since
> then to talk about the greats... what gets left on the editing floor, Burns
> promised his colleagues, will be found in the companion book, to drop a few
> days ahead of the mini...
>
> Variety
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> (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "Mooch" bolts Celeb BB

[Chris Neuman]

This explanation (that he’d been a twist all along) sounds suspect. My
guess: he wanted to walk, but was presented with a choice to either forfeit
the year’s supply of Rice-a-Roni* or whatever they’re paying these
“celebrities,” or consent to this “Mooch veto” ruse. My guess is you’ll
never see him again. On the show, that is; these Trump appointees are like
cockroaches, in that they never die and scurry when you shine a light on
them.

*The San Francisco treat.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 20:37 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> To no one's surprise, he orchestrated the whole shebang. Variety 'splains
> 
> (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Dog and Beth resume their bounty hunting on WGN America

[Chris Neuman]

I’ve never watched a single minute of Dog and his bounty hunting. Was he
racist on his previous outings?

Chris

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:26 Kevin M.  wrote:

> Racism is fine in Trump’s America
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 8:33 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> It's the Trib channel's first unscripted effort in five years.
>>
>> THR
>> 
>> (link)
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-OT: NPR CEO stepping down

[Chris Neuman]

Contrarians gonna contrary.

As a Canadian, my direct exposure to NPR is through its podcasts and the
occasional listen on TuneIn or satellite radio (with the exception of two
years living in Chicago where WBEZ was my replacement for CBC). I can't
speak to how NPR is changing in the way a person who has it on all day,
every day can. But I have noticed that, as I inexorably move out of the
precious 18-49 demographic, programming in all media is decidedly not
targeted to me. I accept this with a shrug and the occasional muttering
about "kids these days." But I suppose, as with all things, YMMV. I think
NPR shows are no less valuable in podcast form, and/or podcasts can
transition without too much trouble to mainstream broadcast.

Chris

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:41 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I’m with Kevin on this one. NPR listeners are notorious for hating change,
> but I find the current version of the network—which I used to listen to
> many hours a day— to be mostly unlistenable now.
> Between the programming that’s too heavily influenced by “This American
> Life” (a show I’ve always loathed), the preference for magazine shows
> (especially “The Takeaway”) that skim over topics rather than deep-dive
> substance (like “Talk of the Nation”), and the mania to feature
> right-wingers in an attempt to appease listeners who don’t tune in and
> aren’t interested, it’s pretty useless.
>
> Other than “Wait, Wait” and occasional segments of “Fresh Air” (when Terry
> Gross isn’t gushing or chuckling endearingly), I’m out.
>
> —Dave Sikula
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Re: [TV orNotTV] More chances to qualify for your favorite gameshows...

[Chris Neuman]

Also, like goalies in hockey, kickers in football and keepers in the other
football, game show hosts can continue hosting long after others in their
age group must bow out. Standing behind a podium and asking questions is
not solely a young person's game.

It would be nice for Pat to bow out and maybe let Vanna take over hosting
duties from time to time... Less of the cringe-inducing "Pat holds with
female contestants" would also be awesome.

Chris

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:46 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 7:45 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Wheel and Jeopardy are both renewed through 2023. Pat, Vanna, and Alex
>> also have contract extensions for a few more years.
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/wheel-fortune-jeopardy-renewed-2023-1158179
>> 
>>
>
> My read on the shows keeping their aging hosts: they are not looking to
> bring in younger viewers and they are not thinking about how to keep the
> shows going long term.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Chris Neuman]

Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:

https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129


On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
> dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
> am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html
>>>
>>
>> As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more journalists
>> of color and feminist journalists in order to get different points of view
>> than my own reacting to events. The African-American journalists I follow
>> and the people they retweet all say that Megyn Kelly has a long history of
>> racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they were getting when they
>> hired her.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: From CBS Television City...For Now

[Chris Neuman]

Related to this, I seem to recall a site that listed past and present shows
by filming location, but can't find it again. Does such a resource exist
for the nerds among us who revel in that sort of thing?

Chris

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:02 PM M-D November  wrote:

> According to the WikiMachine, the following shows also tape at CBS
> Television City (in Hollywood):
>
> - American Idol
> - Beat Shazam
> - DWTS (they've frequently made use of the proximity to The Grove to make
> their winter finale/Xmas show into something of a spectacle)
> - Celebrity Family Feud (which is odd, since the 'normal people' version
> tapes in Atlanta)
> - Andy Cohen Presents Love Connection Starring Andy Cohen
> - SYTYCD
> - Talking Dead/Saul'Preacher
>
> ...plus the live finale/reunion shitshows for Survivor.
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 3:24:16 PM UTC-4, brad...@dwx.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>   Looks like CBS is trying to sell off Television City due to lack of
>> use. So The Late Late Show,
>> The Price Is Right and Bill Maher will have to find a new location to do
>> their shows.
>>
>>   https://www.newsfromme.com/2018/10/17/home-shopping-network/
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] An Open Letter to “SNL”: Your Live Music Just Sucks

[Chris Neuman]

Musical only. But I'm not assuming that SNL didn't think to ask, as is
inferred in the phrase "Did they *even* use him in sketches..." He was in
his mid-30s when he dressed up as a turkey. He's now 77 years old. If he
just wants to sing and conduct his septet, that's his prerogative.

Chris

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:47 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Simon used to make great contributions to the comedy sketches in the ‘70s.
> Did they even use him in sketches in last week’s show, or did he stay on
> the musical side of the street?
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:44 AM stannc  wrote:
>
>> This week’s guest, Paul Simon, was very different from the rest of the
>> show.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] An Open Letter to “SNL”: Your Live Music Just Sucks

[Chris Neuman]

It's hard to read his missive without thinking that as a critic in his
mid-50s, who specifically name-checked Patti Smith and the Kinks, the
"music of the kids today" is not really to his taste, and isn't really
*for* him. I too am not a fan of most musical acts on SNL, but I don't
trouble myself because I've passed out of the target demo for most things.
That said, in addition to David's list of Childish Gambino and Tribe Called
Quest, I'd add Shawn Mendes and Katy Perry to the list of acts to have
stuck in my mind.

Chris

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tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Why should the musical acts be different from the rest of the show?
>
> Based my limited exposure, musical action all the late night shows are
> awful.
>
> —Dave Sikula
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Pennsylvania to Trebek: Ooh, sorry

[Chris Neuman]

Why is noted Californian-Canadian Alex Trebek moderating a Pennsylvania
gubernatorial debate? Does he have some connection to the Quaker State? Or
was M Night Shyamalan unavailable?

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 17:06 Brad Beam  wrote:

> In moderating a debate/conversation – depending on who you ask – between
> the two gubernatorial candidates in Pennsylvania last night, Alex
> apparently interjected himself into the fray far too often.
>
>
> http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2018/10/02/alex-trebek-pennsylvania-gubernatorial-debate-governor-race-wolf-wagner/stories/201810020104
>
>
>
> Or, as @AdamBonin noted:
>
> The problem with this #PAGov debate is that Alex Trebek doesn't seem to
> know how to form a direct, concise question.  Which is as ironic as
> anything I've ever seen.
>
>
>
> _   _
>
> |_>|_>  Brad Beam- Belle WV
>
> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Julie Chen-Moonves

[Chris Neuman]

There is a studio audience on Thursdays for their live eviction episodes. I
caught this in passing last night and it was literally the last thing Julie
said before they cut to credits, so not a lot of chance to see/hear studio
response.

Chris


On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 11:59 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Doug Eastick, yesterday (9/13):
>>
>> 6 second clip here.
>> https://twitter.com/TVMoJoe/status/1040422965970526208
>>
>> twas retweeted by @jaketapper
>>
>
> Joe Adalian, right?  (His tweet-page features a vintage photo of Casey
> Kasem.)
>
> There's no audience for BB, is there? There would have been *wild*
> cheering and applause after her signoff if there was.
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: College media center named after Julie Chen

[Chris Neuman]

#ExpectTheUnexpected

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:31 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:

> my personal opinion is that "naming of stuff" is highly subject to
> termination, depending on the contract language.
>
> Being a fan of BigBrother (don't start... I *know*) they could rename the
> building #ButFirst, or #HOH, or #POV (Power of Veto) oh, or maybe
> #DoubleEviction
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:16 PM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
>> USC announced last month that they were temporarily not using the name. I
>> haven't seen any recent updates as to whether or not it would be permanent.
>>
>> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/usc-les-moonves-
>> assault-allegations_us_5b61f9b9e4b0de86f49d692a
>>
>> USC does have other things to deal with: http://www.latimes.com/local/
>> california/la-me-usc-george-tyndall-sg-storygallery.html
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
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>> Sent:
>> Tue, 11 Sep 2018 08:53:21 -0700
>> Subject:
>> [TV orNotTV] Re: College media center named after Julie Chen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So they can't take his name off since he paid for it, right?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 3:47 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> And Les Moonves.
>>> Because when you think of a quality journalist,  you think of Julie Chen.
>>>
>>> http://www.atvn.org/news/2015/02/usc-annenberg-media-center-
>>> named-julie-chen-leslie-moonves-and-cbs
>>> I am waiting for the Beth Stern radio broadcast center.
>>> Sent from Blue Mail 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Quick review: The Break with Michelle Wolf

[Chris Neuman]

I also liked it. A bit rough around the edges but nothing that wouldn't be
expected for the first time out. She had an interesting perspective and I
would have continued watching to see where it went.

Netflix has had a relatively hard time dealing with current events
programming (Wolf, Handler, McHale). I've heard two theories: first,
there's a cognitive dissonance for Netflix subscribers who come to the site
expecting binge-ready and don't get it with these kinds of shows; and
second, their delivery (how it's presented) gets lost. Someone on a Reddit
thread pointed out that clicking on the tile for a show will autoplay the
most recent episode, but people sometimes skip a week and have to then do
more work to find and start the episode they want. Also you can't order the
shows to your preference, making it different (and therefore an obstacle)
for those used to a PVR.

When they announced McHale's show would go on hiatus and come out with a
batch of 6 shows, I thought that was the death knell. The whole point of a
show like that is to react/respond to the zeitgeist; what's the point of
waiting 6 weeks -- other than to satisfy the "must binge" crowd?

Chris

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Steve Timko  wrote:

> Netflix has cancelled both Michelle Wolf and Joel McHale's shows. I liked
> Michelle Wolf's show.
>
> LINK
> 
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 10:07 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Explodes out of the gate with excellent jokes and recorded material. Only
>> stumble is awkward reaction shots from her DJ.
>> Now here comes the tough part. The discussion of being a childless woman
>> with Amber Ruffin seems to be more of an attempt to make a statement about
>> what kind of show they intend to be than to entertain. The jokes aren't as
>> sharp. But maybe that's just a middle-aged white man observation. The last
>> Amazon bit fell flat.
>> If she can keep it up, it looks like Netflix has a hit.
>>
>> Not sent from an iPhone
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Louis CK thinks he’s served his time

[Chris Neuman]

I’m not sure the court of public opinion has a hand in sentencing, only
conviction. That said, if people feel strongly one way or the other they’ll
either go see him or ignore him; eventually, bookers and others will find
his “market value.” In the case of Louis CK, where he’d essentially pivoted
to a self funded business model for both standup and other creative
endeavours, it’s a pretty direct and accurate barometer.

Was there talk that CK spoke to Phil McGraw, or was that just a drive-by
diss?

Finally - showing up on a comedy club stage is not the same as “thinking
you’ve served your time.” Its not like he came out announcing a new special
and a 30-date arena tour. Who knows - maybe this was him taking he
temperature and deciding a little more time away from the spotlight is
needed; I don’t know.

Chris

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 15:37 Kevin M.  wrote:

> Worth revisiting this article as well.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/opinion/im-not-ready-for-the-redemption-of-men.html
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 1:08 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Realizing we will have this discussion for years, here and elsewhere on
>> the intertubes, I don’t know what the timeline is for #metoo accusations,
>> but this seems a little early for Louis to be out of the penalty box. Is
>> there any documented evidence that he’s seen a shrink (NOT Phil McGraw)
>> about his behavior? Have any of his accusers stepped forward on his behalf?
>> I realize there’s no criminal conviction, but is merely stepping out of the
>> public eye a punishment?
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/arts/television/louis-ck-performs-comedy.html
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: That's Just Charlie Being Charlie

[Chris Neuman]

I read the article. I felt no sorrow for Charlie Rose. So I’d say that part
of your email is subjective. What part of it made you feel sorry for him?

Chris

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 22:47 Kevin M.  wrote:

> Why -- I ask you -- would the Hollywood Reporter publish an article
> designed to make readers feel sorry for Charlie Rose?
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/what-happened-charlie-rose-we-asked-his-friends-associates-1101333
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> AP reporting CBS has axed Rose
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 4:25 PM Jay Lewis  wrote:
>>
>>> And CBS has suspended Charlie & PBS halts his show
>>>
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-20/cbs-suspends-rose-pbs-halts-his-show-following-allegations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2017 8:23 PM, Diner wrote:
>>>
>>> As someone who watches CBS This Morning every morning, I'm pretty much
>>> in shock right now. An old friend of mine just wrote on Facebook:
>>> "I'm kinda stunned. At first I thought this was an Onion story, like
>>> the one they did about Tom Hanks murdering 5 the other day."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 5:33:51 PM UTC-5, Tom Wolper wrote:

 Today's toxic celebrity is Charlie Rose. The Washington Post has an
 extensive article about his behavior and the accusations against him. One
 reporter notes that she heard some of these stories in 2010 when she wrote
 for Jezebel but could not get any of the victims to confirm them.


 https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eight-women-say-charlie-rose-sexually-harassed-them--with-nudity-groping-and-lewd-calls/2017/11/20/9b168de8-caec-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Another male FoxNews a-hole...

[Chris Neuman]

Setting aside the issues at Fox News about this, most workplaces don’t ban
relationships between employees, and most only require notification if
there is a direct reporting relationship. Honestly, it sounds like what
happened in this case is pretty typical. That said, I don’t know Fox News
policy on any of this.

Chris

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 22:47 Kevin M.  wrote:

> I'd like to make it clear I genuinely don't care about the age of the
> woman he's having an affair with or even that he's getting a divorce. I
> only share the link because this is another guy at FoxNews who has crossed
> a line with a female employee. Yeah, she was by all accounts a willing
> participant -- doesn't matter. FoxNews, a network that has paid out tens of
> millions in settlements because of males in power who abused their power,
> is still letting this happen. The memo doesn't need to be lengthy:
>
> "To all FoxNews men: Do not touch any woman who works at FoxNews."
>
> Surely, some sort of independent investigation needs to occur there,
> because the problem continues.
>
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/fox-news-host-jesse-watters-divorce-affair-employee-article-1.3867486
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC’s Winter Olympics

[Chris Neuman]

Despite the fact that the US doesn’t dominate the Winter games quite the
way they do the summer games, I commented a few days ago to my wife how odd
it was to not see the US higher up in the medal standings. My theory is
that it’s a regression to the mean.

I present, without opinion of any kind, a story that appeared in today’s
Globe and Mail about the US performance in PyeongCheng to date. The author
links the Elizabeth Swaney debacle and DJT to the American performance and
crowd presence.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/sports/olympics/the-americans-and-their-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-games/article38026417/

(The author is something of a provocateur, a fact you’ll likely pick up on
in the first para. I still haven’t forgiven him for his hit piece on my
hometown of Edmonton two years ago, when he was here to cover the Women’s
World Cup. Such a Toronto-centric A-hole.)

Chris



On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 07:27 Brad Beam  wrote:

>
> Somebody somewhere -- perhaps an Olympic-Athlete-from-Russian bot farm --
> is working on a "Kirstie is not impressed" meme:
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-kirstie-alley-olympics-curling-feud-20180220-story.html
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 21, 2018, at 09:16, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>
> if you are keen into curling and twitter, check out the encouragements
> that @Hollywoodcurl   has been putting out to people to go try the sport,
> including @MrT
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Re: [TV orNotTV] One "Bake-Off" face will follow it to C4

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This is now a very old thread but did want to point out that everything
episode of QI from A to O (current season) is available (at least in
Canada) on YouTube. In addition, the “QI XL” versions are also posted which
adds more content.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:12 Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

>
> > On Mar 17, 2017, at 4:57 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> > Toksvig took over last year with the start of N.
>
> Also, Series J aired on BBC America early in 2015, but it apparently
> didn't do well (it was moved from a Thursday prime-time slot to midday
> Sunday during the run).
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Sean Hannity sets firm deadline, then caves; Shep smith contradicts his own network on uranium story

[Chris Neuman]

At the risk of sounding elite, sound logic and basic intelligence are not
the dominant personality traits of those who a) watch Hannity and b)
support his stance on Roy Moore’s apparent penchant for minors.

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 18:54 Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
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>> So it turns out Sean Hannity is replacing coffee makers people smashed in
>> support of him. This is quite curious.
>> https://twitter.com/jeanniegaffigan/status/932023424221884417
>>
>
> More ridiculous than curious. In a boycott, people put pressure on a
> business by refusing to buy its goods or services until the company makes a
> desired change. The idea is the loss of revenue will speak louder than
> words. In this case people have already bought the coffeemakers. So they
> are not denying revenue to Keurig. They smash their coffeemakers so they
> will have to buy new ones, meaning more revenue to Keurig. What kind of
> pressure is this? Hannity says he will buy new coffeemakers for people who
> smashed them. How will he verify who did that as part of this "boycott?"
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Rick & Morty" fans revolt over Mickey D condiment

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If there’s one thing I’ve learned from listening to the Kevin Smith / Ralph
Garman “Hollywood Babble On” podcast is the blazing speed with which porn
parodies are brought to life. That and Liam Neeson’s status as the Milton
Berle of his generation.

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> There's a "Rick and Morty" porn parody.
>
> http://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/rick-and-morty-porn-dick-and-morty-video-1201886713/
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Tom Wolper <twol...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Chris Neuman <ch...@neuman.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Forbes had an interesting article about the legions of R fans having a
>>> very similar mindset to Rick - they are the most intelligent and bow to
>>> nobody. It also touches on the Szechuan thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/10/08/rick-and-morty-fans-take-obnoxiousness-to-a-whole-new-dimension/amp/
>>>
>>
>> I've finished the first season and I'm enjoying the series. Like
>> Community, an episode sets up a familiar story and then goes sideways to
>> resolve it in an original way. I'll admit I can't grasp fandom - if I enjoy
>> a series I will watch and if I don't I will immediately abandon it. But
>> that might be because of my age. Back when TOS was on daily in the after
>> school slot and I was in high school I certainly was a fan. I can't look at
>> Rick and Morty the same way.
>>
>> I never thought about identifying with Rick. He starts out the series as
>> an abusive sociopath and develops a bit of empathy as the season
>> progresses. He also makes decisions and acts with no regard for
>> consequences and I find that horrifying in a role model.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Rick & Morty" fans revolt over Mickey D condiment

[Chris Neuman]

Forbes had an interesting article about the legions of R fans having a
very similar mindset to Rick - they are the most intelligent and bow to
nobody. It also touches on the Szechuan thing.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/10/08/rick-and-morty-fans-take-obnoxiousness-to-a-whole-new-dimension/amp/

Chris

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> THR, f'rinstance,
> 
> (link) spotlighted the burger giant's La Brea-near-San Vicente location,
> where folks seeking Szechuan sauce for their chow got violent when supplies
> ran short... Roiland and Harmon disclaimed any knowledge of the promo, and
> Oak Park (I believe that's still the chain's base, or where it was for much
> of its history) promised to redouble deliveries of the snappy addition...
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Emmy 2017

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Do not confuse "Pretty Little Liars" which got no Emmies of which I am
aware, with "Big Little Lies" which garnered several.

Chris

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 07:39 PGage  wrote:

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>
> There were a couple of shows I have heard of but not yet watched that got
> bumped up on my radar (my daughters keep bugging me to watch that Pretty
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "If you retire to spend more time with your family, check with your family first."

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He took Norm Macdonald's advice to buy a dinner table and set himself up
like Charlie Rose. Nice to also hear about a return to field pieces.

Chris

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> Dave's coming back on Netflix. Six episodes in 2018.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Kurtz: Late night talk shows unfriendly to conservatives

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I seem to recall a moment -- I feel like it was a few years into his tenure
at CBS -- where Dave used his post-monologue desk shot to address an item
in the papers about his political leanings. I recall him saying he had, at
various times, registered as a Democrat, a Republican, and an independent,
and had voted for candidates of both parties. In particular, however, he
was clear that his voting record was utterly irrelevant in the context of
his job.

Don't remember the cause of the media coverage but it significantly
predated the tenure of GWB, let alone Palin and her daughter.



On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 12:01 Tom Wolper  wrote:

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>> Paar rather famously took down Red baiter Walter Winchell, although
>> reading about it now I see it had more to do with Winchell writing that
>> Paar:s marriage was in trouble. It was payback, not political beliefs.
>>
>
> What I know about Winchell I know from reading Neal Gabler's biography of
> him. Winchell was the first newspaper gossip columnist and he worked for
> the Hearst chain of newspapers. Hearst's political columnists were all
> strongly anti-New Deal in the early thirties and the Roosevelt White House
> invited Winchell to the White House to persuade him of the New Deal's
> value. Winchell was probably more swayed by the attention, but it worked.
> Winchell became a Roosevelt ally and that continued through WWII. As the
> Cold War developed Winchell was a staunch anti-Communist. Gabler thinks
> that Winchell got swept away by the idea of the US leading a crusade
> against fascism/nazism during the war and he wanted to continue the crusade
> against Communism. As Winchell seemed neither subtle nor nuanced he became
> a defender of HUAC and McCarthy and as their reputations diminished over
> the fifties so did Winchell.
>
> Winchell was infamous for using his column to settle personal grudges and
> perceived slights. If he took on Paar and Paar got him back by inviting him
> on TV and blasting him there, that was personal. By this time Winchell had
> already lost most of his influence.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: RIP Stuart McLean - CBC Radio's The Vinyl Cafe

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I always thought of Vinyl Cafe as a Canadian analogue to Prairie Home
Companion, and the Dave and Morley stories as Lake Wobegon set in
residential Toronto.

I was of two minds about Vinyl Cafe. Here's my FB post on it, if anyone
cares to hear an opinion that wasn't as effusive.

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the twee folksiness of his voice and the pre-Dave and Morley story about
that down home coffee shop in Kamiscasing or that down home blueberry pie
joint on Gabriola Island. But I really did enjoy the Dave and Morley
stories as presented on the page. As an Edmontonian preparing to move to
the centre of the universe many years ago, those stories gave me a
grounding in Toronto life more than any issue of Toronto Life. Later, my
sister and I exchanged text based where we envisioned Dave getting into
Stephanie's stash of shrooms and screaming down at the Turlingtons from the
roof, written in McLean's meandering voice. I actually registered
@edgyVinylCafe to publicize those alternate takes but never got around to
it. And now, because I never tweeted out, and because cancer sucks, and
because Canada always needs more of its own content and characters, I'm sad
that he's gone. Farewell and I hope you can find a good down home cafe
where the scones are big, the coffee is cheap and plentiful, and there's a
little stage for a folk duo on Fridays.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Pigs In Space returning?

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I think a 30 minute version of "Pigs in Space" would be on a par with Star
Trek TOS, to be honest, but I've never been a trekkie/trekker/fanboy so I
can understand why there might be resistance to this assessment.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Joe Coughlin 
> wrote:
>
>> They're web videos that the Muppet people made earlier this year. Steve
>> Whitmire off-handedly mentioned them at D23, but all had been quiet about
>> them until now. I guess they're releasing them now around the same time as
>> Rogue One for a reason. Synergy.
>>
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> Pigs in Space worked as a silly one or two minute sketch on the '70s
> Muppet Show. I was dreading the idea of stretching it to a half hour
> series.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 9/11/01 what did you watch?

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My wife and I had just arrived in Chicago a few days earlier. I was going
to Northwestern for grad school, and we were staying with a fellow Canadian
expat in his apartment that backed on the El. He woke us up to let us know
what happened and we watched news the rest of the day. At some point we
flipped around and found CBC so gratefully watched Peter Mansbridge report
on something other than "the terrorists came in from Canada!" (They
didn't.)

The City of Chicago evacuated the loop downtown and ran all trains outbound
before shutting down the El. The absence of a train roaring by every 2
minutes in my friend's apartment was uncanny.

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> I taped the news all that day, and later managed accidentally to tape over
> every single one of the tapes. Also - I lived in downtown Manhattan, and
> someone had to remind me to stop watching television, and to go see what
> was happening outside, in real life.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] British Mystery

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I enjoyed The Fall (I've only seen the first season) because it turns the
usual trope of keeping one in suspense over who the murderer is on its
head. We know from almost the first episode and we get to enjoy the
dramatic irony of the cat and mouse chase. Plus, Gillian Anderson.

If your definition of "mystery" extends to espionage, I recommend "Page 8"
starring Bill Nighy, Rachel Weisz, and Michael Gambon. This showed up on
Masterpiece a few years ago and was very good. There are also two
followups, "Turks & Caicos" and "Salting the Battlefield," which were also
very good.

Another series, firmly back in mystery territory, the Thorne series is
good. Starting David Morrissey (the governor from Walking Dead, and the
utterly engaging lead in "Blackpool" aka "Viva Blackpool" some years back),
there are two series of three hours each. I see them pop up in the movie
channels in Canada all the time so I assume they're available on other
steaming platforms or on DVD.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 07:15 Jay Lewis  wrote:

> I won't say it's OMG-the-greatest-EVA, but I quite enjoyed Jonathan
> Creek. I guess it really isn't a "detective" show but the main
> characters(s) do solve crimes. More of a 'Murder, Show Wrote' vibe as I
> think of it.
>
>
>  F*rom:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com
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> *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 8:39 PM
> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] British Mystery
>
>
>
> I am looking for recommendations for a good British detective television
> show.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jeopardy! October Test

[Chris Neuman]

Is the test still restricted to US residents/citizens only?

Chris

On Tuesday, 13 September 2016,  wrote:

> Remember taking the test five times. Got called back three of those times
> (Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh). The Raleigh callback for the winter test...
> pending?
>
> ~D
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Among those who may be "Dancing"...

[Chris Neuman]

Can't tell if forcing that tool to execute a bad samba will be a calming
pill for a Brazilian people or an encouragement to violence.

Chris

On Thursday, 25 August 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Bob Jersey  > wrote:
>
>>
>> ...a source tells USA Today
>> 
>> (link), is beleaguered Olympic swimming medalist Ryan Lochte, who
>> reportedly agreed to the competition well before the Rio Games... I wonder
>> if producers have a backup plan if, as the article notes, Lochte faces
>> further discipline either in Brazil or here...
>>
>
> I have recently been listening to a podcast called The Hines Ward Show.
> Ward was a Steeler receiver for 14 years and also won the Dancing With the
> Stars competition. He brought his agent/manager on for an episode and,
> among other things, talked about managing Ward's transition into
> post-football life. It was the agent who thought DWTS would be a good way
> for Ward to build a name among people who do not follow football. The agent
> said that he contacted the casting director for DWTS while Hines was still
> playing and it was a long process getting him accepted. After winning the
> competition Ward now says that if he is recognized on the street it is more
> likely for DWTS than the NFL. And the popularity that followed DWTS helped
> him land jobs with NBC Sports and then HLN.
>
> IOW, the casting director of DWTS would have no trouble finding a
> replacement for Lochte if they decided not to bring him into the
> competition. There is a lot of demand to be on the show.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Feds investigating hack of Leslie Jones' website

[Chris Neuman]

One thing the Internet does provide, in times like this, is an easy way to
feel better about life. Open google, switch to image search, and query
"baby " where you replace the blank with your favourite - or even least
favourite - animal. Works every time.

Best advice I ever got from a TED talk.

Chris

On Thursday, 25 August 2016, Kevin M.  wrote:

> People suck.
>
> Good thing dogs exist, or we could write this whole planet off.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2016, PGage  > wrote:
>
>> The internet is such a vast wasteland of racism and misogyny that I
>> stopped taking it seriously a long time ago, and had assumed I had become
>> immune to it. For some reason, the attacks on Jones this summer,
>> culminating in this last outrage, is so mean-spirited and dehumanizing that
>> it has really gotten to me, and lowered my already low opinion of the human
>> race.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Bob Jersey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Homeland Security is involved in the case of a schmuck (possibly non-US)
>>> that busted into her namesake site, posting sensitive personal stuff about
>>> the *Ghostbusters*/"SNL" actress, including nekkid pictures... the
>>> suspect appears to be retaliating after Jones convinced Twitter brass to
>>> ban the Breitbart.com editor accused of leading tweet-attacks against her...
>>>
>>> Variety
>>> 
>>> (link)
>>>
>>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CAN swimming - Mark on Penny

[Chris Neuman]

I thought I was being subtle. ;). (Actually I'm not much of a pedant ...
About that at least)

On Friday, 12 August 2016, Doug Eastick <east...@mcd.on.ca> wrote:

> I think you just did.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Neuman <ch...@neuman.ca
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@neuman.ca');>> wrote:
>
>> The Canadian became the first swimmer born in the 21st century to win a
>>> gold medal in any Olympic sport.
>>
>>
>> Uh oh, How long before a pedant (on this list or in general) makes the
>> eyeroll-inducing point that the 21st Century really doesn't start until
>> 2001, and therefore Oleksiak (born in 2000) doesn't count?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Doug Eastick <east...@mcd.on.ca
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','east...@mcd.on.ca');>> wrote:
>>
>>> for those in USA here's the NBC story on the event.  (which I can't
>>> watch from the land of maple syrup).
>>>
>>> http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/simone-manuel-penny-oleksiak
>>> -tie-olympic-gold-100m-freestyle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Adam Bowie <a...@adambowie.co.uk
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a...@adambowie.co.uk');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Doug Eastick <east...@mcd.on.ca
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','east...@mcd.on.ca');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (apologies if the links don't work outside Canada.  I hope the CBC
>>>>> opens up these clips for other countries).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I love how invariably the pre-roll ads always seem to work
>>>> internationally, but of course the main video doesn't. That said, the
>>>> pre-rolls were all CBC house ads. I'll probably skip the Canadian Dragon's
>>>> Den, just like I skip the British one...
>>>>
>>>> (I'll give it a go later at home via a VPN)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CAN swimming - Mark on Penny

[Chris Neuman]

>
> The Canadian became the first swimmer born in the 21st century to win a
> gold medal in any Olympic sport.


Uh oh, How long before a pedant (on this list or in general) makes the
eyeroll-inducing point that the 21st Century really doesn't start until
2001, and therefore Oleksiak (born in 2000) doesn't count?

Chris

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:

> for those in USA here's the NBC story on the event.  (which I can't
> watch from the land of maple syrup).
>
> http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/simone-manuel-penny-
> oleksiak-tie-olympic-gold-100m-freestyle
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> (apologies if the links don't work outside Canada.  I hope the CBC opens
>>> up these clips for other countries).
>>>
>>>
>> I love how invariably the pre-roll ads always seem to work
>> internationally, but of course the main video doesn't. That said, the
>> pre-rolls were all CBC house ads. I'll probably skip the Canadian Dragon's
>> Den, just like I skip the British one...
>>
>> (I'll give it a go later at home via a VPN)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NBC's Unforgivable Sin [Was: I tried watching the Olympics...]

[Chris Neuman]

In Canada, for as long as I can remember, we have been able to see both the
US feeds and the Canadian feeds which, for the most part, have been
broadcast on CBC (except for a few years where CTV pipped the rights). All
cable packages had the closest local US feeds (I know more about Spokane
than I ever thought possible) so the comparison has been easy to make.

The trope has always been that while both national broadcasts are patriotic
in their coverage, the Canadian programming acknowledged that other
countries had made it to the Games. It's basically taken as fact that
Canadian is better than American at showing the "whole" games. I've been on
this list for a long time now and that definitely seems to be the opinion
of those few Americans who can get CBC coverage and make the comparison
themselves.

And it's still happening. Case in point: the other night I watched the
final in the women's 4x200 freestyle. The Americans were strongly favoured
but as always faced a challenge from Australia. (Canada finished third). I
watched the leadup and coverage of the race on both channels. The
difference was obvious. Where CBC provided a feed of each country's team
emerging from the ready room, NBC only bothered showing the Americans and
the Australians. Once the teams were out, the NBC commentary in the leadup
to the race was entirely US centric and the camera never left their team.
Over on CBC, the commentators were talking about the other teams, including
Canada, showing their preparations and warmups. Almost the entire race was
split screened with the race itself on one half of the screen and the next
American to swim shown in the other screen. CBC flipped to show the next
swimmer maybe once in the whole race and that was for the anchor of the
Canadian team.

Maybe it's the difference between the broadcaster from a powerhouse nation
that finds itself on the podium far more often than does a middle power
like Canada. Maybe it's a different mindset in the two countries where one
is "just happy to be there" and the other expects/demands success (though I
can tell you, the Canadian Olympic Committee is held to account after a
"bad" showing at the games). But I have to tell you I strongly favour the
Canadian version of the coverage because it seems to be in keeping with the
spirit of international competition.

Sorry, maybe I'm just being jingoistic. We've covered this to death both at
this Olympiad and every other one but I'd be curious to hear what other
people think about the whys. Is it more than just a drive for broadcast
revenue?

Chris





On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Joe Hass  wrote:

> It was a 5:00 PM ET start, so the game was in the books when McKay went on
> the air at 8:00. Both games were in the same rink, so they'd have had to
> have time to reset the building for the nightcap.
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:55 AM JW  wrote:
>
>> > I would strongly disagree that they weren't building to that game. Here
>> is
>> > part of Jim McKay's introduction:
>>
>> There's a lot I don't remember 36 years later, like what time the US-USSR
>> game actually started. If the second game started at 8:45, then the first
>> game must have been very late, if not over, when ABC went on the air, and
>> the Miracle was possible, if not certain. If the Soviets had been up 6-1
>> when the telecast started, I don't think McKay would have expressed that
>> same excitement. Perhaps ABC would have shown more skiers and less hockey.
>> We'll never know, which is fine with me.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CAN swimming - Mark on Penny

[Chris Neuman]

Patriotism demands that I clarify: Tewskbury was the last Canadian to win a
gold medal in swimming. There have been gold medals for Canada in the
Summer Games (aka the second most important type of Olympics) since then,
including Donovan Bailey's domination of Michael Johnson in the 100m in
Atlanta ...

Chris


On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I'm not sure how much coverage the Canadian women's swimming is getting on
> NBC, but CBC's Mark Tewksbury is a delight to watch in the studio.
>
> Mark was Canada's last summer gold medal winner, twenty years ago.
>
> Here's his reaction watching the first Canadian swimming medal in the
> relay early in the week.
>
> http://olympics.cbc.ca/video/vod/time-olympic-medalist-mark-
> tewksbury-reacts-canada-first-medal.html
>
> And here's his post-race discussion in the studio where he gets a bit
> verklempt.
>
> http://olympics.cbc.ca/video/vod/mark-tewksbury-gets-emotion
> al-describing-penny-oleksiak-gold-medal-performance.html
>
>
> (apologies if the links don't work outside Canada.  I hope the CBC opens
> up these clips for other countries).
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Killam and Pharoah Not Ready for SNL

[Chris Neuman]

The one thing I remember vividly he knocked out of the park: his audition
for the Patrick Swayze role in Dirty Dancing Live:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=izZ0CVNyDfo

Apparently it was a routine he developed before he joined the cast.

Chris

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> I can't think of anything Rudnitsky was in. The weekly car wreck is Colin
> Jost and Michael Che. Put Cecily Strong back on.
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>>
>> Along with Jon Rudnitsky.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 9 August 2016, stannc <sta...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sta...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm surprised that this wasn't mentioned here yet.
>>>
>>> http://tvline.com/2016/08/08/snl-season-42-taran-killam-jay-
>>> pharoah-leaving-saturday-night-live/
>>>
>>>
>>> -Stan
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: Sept 2016 trip. Vegas, AZ, San diego

[Chris Neuman]

Don't forget the Pinball Hall of Fame and Museum in LV. Always worth a
visit.

Chris

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> I can recommend some places to eat in Vegas if you give me a price range
> and type of food you like.
> The Mob Museum looks interesting,  but I haven't been there. I visited
> other museums there. The Atomic Museum was the best, but I'm not sure I'd
> recommend it. The Neon Museum was closed the last couple of times I was in
> Vegas. It has potential.
>
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> On Apr 11, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
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>> Okay here's my usual request.This trip will be in September 2016.
>> Idea is to land in Vegas,  do grand Canyon,  Sedona,  Coachella valley ,
>> then head to San Diego. Fly out of San Diego.
>>
>>
>> Opinions and suggestions welcome on things to see.  Time frame is ten
>> days.
>>
>> My only knowledge of San Diego is from down in our rendezvous. the
>> zoo opening.
>>
>> Thanks everyone.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Next TAR to include strictly social-media "stars"

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On the one hand, not knowing who any of these people are puts me in no less
a position than I am with most seasons of TAR. On the other hand, a few
seasons ago there was a male-female couple who were introduced as YouTube
stars and they - he in particular - were two of the most annoying teams,
personality- and gameplay-wise, that I can remember. I can't fathom a
season with a bunch of copycats

On Wednesday, 11 November 2015, Jay Lewis  wrote:

>
> On 2015-11-11 7:31 PM, Kevin M. wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Jay Lewis  > wrote:
>
>> Phil will be wearing Fonzie's leather jacket for this season I guess.
>>
>
> It is a level of pandering normally reserved for the old WB network when
> all they did was show T and things that exploded.
>
>
> One of the things I liked about The Amazing Race is that they kept the
> pandering to a minimum, especially in the early series. Then every series
> had model couples and other Reality Stars. But it felt like the show kept
> their "integrity" and could rise above other reality shows. For me, this is
> way too much of that youth-ratings-grab.
>
> I guess that with this season, I'm pretty much done with the Race.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] debates

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Those are the grating ads. There are a handful of them, all attacking
Trudeau for not being ready ... Yet. I don't know what to make of it except
to say the Conservatives know they won't convert that many NDP voters and
so are targeting those who have traditionally voted Liberal but may be
unsure about Trudeau as a leader. Thus the soft peddle so as not to offend
that target audience.

No more talk of Canadian politics unless it is tangentially related to TV.
I promise.

Chris

On Thursday, August 6, 2015, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 *(Let’s try that again.)*

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 **The ads are already grating.



 While I was in Vancouver a couple weeks back, I saw a Conservative party
 ad attacking Justin Trudeau – the prime-minister “candidate” for the
 Liberals, currently a distant third in MP seats behind the NDP – and the
 Tories’ throughline was: I won’t vote for him this election, but give him
 time.

 Conservative Attack Ad Says Justin Could be Ready, Later
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLX7F44Htsw



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Re: [TV orNotTV] debates

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Even that's too long. Traditionally an election in Canada is officially 36
days, from when the Queen (or her rep) dissolves parliament to the
election. The current government established a fixed election date and then
officially started their campaign 70-odd days before it. The ads are
already grating.

Chris

On Thursday, August 6, 2015, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
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 At least your election is in two months, not 15.

 David

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 I'm torn.   This morning on my drive I heard that the US presidential
 debates are tonight -- ooh, that might be interesting to watch I
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 (yes, we are in an election now).

 I think I might pick the Trump one to watch.

 Regardless, I have to make sure the DVR is set to record all of Stewart
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Writer of early TV sitcom dead

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There was an excellent interview with her in Mike Sacks's Poking a Dead
Frog.  Worth the read.

Chris

On Monday, July 27, 2015, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:

 TVWeek
 http://www.tvweek.com/tvbizwire/2015/07/this-woman-who-just-died-at-age-98-was-a-true-pioneer-of-early-tv-a-triple-threat-creator-writer-and-star-she-wrote-nearly-11000-sitcom-scripts-all-by-herself/
 (link), sourcing the *NY Times*: Peg Lynch, 98, wrote and starred in *Ethel
 and Albert*, which started on radio in 1944, then moved to TV in 1953,
 eventually logging episodes on all of the Big Three networks... nearly
 11,000 scripts for radio and telly without even one co-writer!

 The post includes an episode uploaded just in the last few months to the
 'toob by Lynch herself, sponsor and all... and an old friend of TVBarn gets
 in a comment at the end...

 B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Harry Connick, Jr. taping talker pilot this week.

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My moment on the stage was in Chicago, when I was a grad student. A lawyer
working on the show was working on his MBA and I tutored him. One session
was in a Springer boardroom which included a tour of the offices and a meet
and greet with Jerry and his on-camera bodyguard.

Chris

On Thursday, June 18, 2015, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:


 Chris Neuman, to moi and David Bruggeman:

 TIL Jerry Springer's show moved from the NBC tower in Chicago to
 Connecticut.

 I am able to say that I have been on the Jerry Springer stage without
 having been a guest of the show.

 Didn't think Stamford offered tours... and as I post this even 30 Rock
 isn't doing any http://nbcstudiotour.com/ (link).

 B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Harry Connick, Jr. taping talker pilot this week.

[Chris Neuman]

TIL Jerry Springer's show moved from the NBC tower in Chicago to
Connecticut.

I am able to say that I have been on the Jerry Springer stage without
having been a guest of the show.

Chris

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:


 David Bruggeman:

 Per an email from his fan club, Connick will tape three pilots/test shows
 at 30 Rock tomorrow and Wednesday.


 Did it say which studio they're using?

 He'll be glad he ain't out in Stamford with *Maury, Springer, *and
 *Wilkos*... or the nascent *Crazy Talk*
 http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/syndication-and-distribution/nbc-launch-crazy-talk-fall/138863,
 basically *Talk Soup* with an actual audience. (*BC* link on its sale)

 The piece on this (Connick) show's slating *had* to include his infamous 
 double-bird-flip
 from *Idol*
 http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/83827/connick-show-heads-2016-development-slate
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Aasif Mandvi does his TDS thing at a Washington media dinner, nobody seems amused.

[Chris Neuman]

There is a YouTube video of Nick Offerman doing this gig and getting a
similar tepid response. To be fair, his material was somewhat less polished
than what you see at the main event every year.

Chris

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 OK, that last part should be the White House Correspondents are *not* the
 only organization that takes itself too seriously.

 David

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 While it lacks the subtlety of Colbert's approach at the White House
 Correspondent's Dinner, Mandvi opted to mock the media and politics at the
 Radio and TV Correspondent's Dinner.  What little coverage is out there
 suggests that the White House Correspondent's are the only organization
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Kevin Spacey to do politics series for CNN

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She's relatively new to the country so blue and green it was. All after I
pointed out that my NHL allegiance was:
1. The Edmonton Oilers
2. Winnipeg, Montreal, Ottawa
3. Original 6 teams not from Toronto
4. Everyone else but at the bottom
5. Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, in no particular order.

Seems reasonable.

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  As revenge she decorated my cubicle in Vancouver
  Canucks gear, which is an absolute low.

 Blue and green, or black orange and gold?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Kevin Spacey to do politics series for CNN

[Chris Neuman]

As an aside, I had someone at work convinced that Downton Abbey ended the
season with Mrs Patmore dropping Isobel Crawley in a Grantham fight club as
the Dowager Countess's home is razed to make way for an aerodrome. As
revenge she decorated my cubicle in Vancouver Canucks gear, which is an
absolute low.

Chris



On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, d...@flids.net wrote:

 Well, who's fault is that?  Season Three is out, so all bets are off on
 spoilers from previous seasons.  :)

 Doug Fields
 Tampa, FL

 (wait'll he freaks out when he sees how Sean Connery dies at the end of
 Season Two!)

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 President? ??

 I'M NOT FINISHED SEASON TWO YET!!!

 :)

 On Mar 10, 2015, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','.jer...@juno.com'); wrote:

 TV's best-known President will co-produce and narrate Race for the
 White House, a six-parter telling stories of previous campaigns. One of
 his HoC producers will be his producing partner.

 CNN http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/09/media/kevin-spacey-cnn-series/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quick reviews: Mozart in the Jungle, Bosch (Amazon streaming)

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On Thursday, February 19, 2015, Steve Timko steveti...@gmail.com wrote:

 Those old enough to have watched “Parker Lewis Can’t Lose” in the early
 1990s will remember Abraham Benrubi, who played a brutish high school
 student. It makes me feel old to see him balding with gray hair as the
 lawyer defending Bosch.


Benrubi may also be familiar as the bartender from Men In Trees and
as Jerry from ER (reunited on  Bosch with Troy Evans, who played Frank
alongside Jerry).

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Re: [TV orNotTV] BBC America picks up QI

[Chris Neuman]

Many episodes of QI seem to be available on YouTube. Are these
significantly delayed?

Chris

On Friday, January 30, 2015, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote:

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 Better than nothing, but not the XL edition, and not enough to get me to
 change my habits.



 Well, there is Hulu.



 Based on my viewing history, Series J – I  K are also currently available
 – streamed last January. (Btw, Hulu does not show the XL editions.)

 http://www.hulu.com/qi



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sh!t Shannen said

[Chris Neuman]

As an aside, Globe Trekker had a variety of hosts, many of them not
American. Ian Wright and Padma Lakshmi were no slouches. But the Americans
were a bit obnoxious; Justine Shapiro staying at a hostel in
Arizona, complaining about the bunk beds and the need for shower shoes,
then shirking the communal job jar the next morning, comes to mind. That
show also featured some unknown guy named Bradley Cooper.

On Saturday, January 17, 2015, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:

  A PBS series I detested was Globe Trekker which featured complete
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CSI-Danson to end a month or so sooner

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Has anyone said this season of CSI is the last? I hadn't heard that before.

Chris


On Thursday, October 23, 2014, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:

 Ausiello exclusive
 http://tvline.com/2014/10/22/csi-season-15-episode-order-cbs/ (link):
 CBS cuts the swan song season to 18 weeks... between its planned 'Cyber'
 successor and two other shows, the network has more than enough product to
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Foos Visit Dave All Week He Gets Personal in a Web Exclusive

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Wonder if this extended run was a tie in to their HBO series being produced
by Worldwide Pants?

Chris

On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Michael mikethekn...@gmail.com wrote:

 As many on the list probably know, Letterman's favorite band Foo Fighters
 is in residence on The Late Show this week. In case you've missed any of
 it, here are three clips, including a scintillating performance of Polk
 Salad Annie by Tony Joe White backed by the Foos, an ad for a law firm
 dedicated to fighting Foo, and an exclusive web performance of Miracle
 that is preceded by a sweet anecdote from Dave about bonding with his son
 on a ski trip and how the song Miracle relates.


 http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/watch-david-letterman-share-poignant-foo-fighters-miracle-story-20141016

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Massive laying-off at CNN

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I would not watch monkeys throwing feces.

I would watch feces throwing monkeys, however. That's must see TV.

Chris



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 As if anyone will notice.

 If the entire CNN staff were fired and replaced with a room of feces
 throwing monkeys, not only would the ratings improve, but it'd be more
 respected.

 Can you tell that, for reasons I don't want to go into, my household now
 has cable TV?

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 Say buh-bye to Jane Velez Mitchell, and pretty soon the whole showbiz
 division will be toast. Overall, nearly 1500 jobs are to be cut across the
 Turner organization. Yeesh.

 TheWrap
 http://www.thewrap.com/cnn-massive-layoffs-underway-entertainment-unit-disbanded-developing/?utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=contactology
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Kenan Thompson departure from SNL disputed

[Chris Neuman]

With Shannen Doherty in a small part as befits her talent.

On Wednesday, September 24, 2014, Michael mikethekn...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not certain of much in this crazy ol' world, but I am sure that Kevin
 and Dave can't wait for the inevitable Alec Baldwin-Kristen Wiig film to
 come out.

 On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:21:29 AM UTC-7, Dave Sikula wrote:

 My opinion of McKinnon is that she's the perfect successor to Wiig: she
 plays everything exactly the same, yelling and forcing punchlines down the
 viewer;s throat with the subtlety and comedic chops of a rhinoceros.

 --Dave Sikula

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:52:14 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 I concur that the female cast members are, in general, good - especially
 Kate McKinnon. I was skeptical at first, but McKinnon won me over quickly
 (with one line as the old Italian mama in the Jon Hamm - Lawrence Welk
 skit). She's fearless and funny and freaky. That said, I do agree that the
 writers need to step up their game.

 On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:58:58 AM UTC-7, M-D November wrote:

 I actually think the ensemble of female performers is one of the
 stronger groups of any gender they've had on SNL in a long while - they
 just need to find someone in the writers' room who can write for the female
 voice.  (Hint: more (Do it) On My Twin Bed, less Girlfriends Talk Show)

 As far as Keenan, he never fails to make me laugh at least once an
 episode with nothing more than a take to the camera.  I was surprised to
 learn that not only is he the most senior member of the current SNL
 ensemble, he's also the longest-tenured cast member of color in the show's
 40 year history.  (I thought for sure Tim Meadows was there longer...)  If
 he decides to leave, that's his call, but frankly I hope he stays for a
 while longer - at least long enough for Lorne to right the ship.

 On Monday, September 22, 2014 11:40:05 PM UTC-4, Dave Sikula wrote:

 Since Kenan is currently the only watchable element on SNL, I shudder
 to think of what'll become without him.

 --Dave Sikula

 On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:00:29 PM UTC-7, Bob Jersey wrote:


 TMZ
 http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/22/kenan-thompson-leaving-saturday-night-live/
 (link): He wanted to split last year, Lorne talked him out of it, but now
 that the cast turnover has calmed down, no one is stopping him.

 USA Today
 http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2014/09/22/kenan-thompson-is-not-leaving-saturday-night-live/
 (link): NBC told them any cast decisions were made after the previous
 season ended, and Thompson was not one of them.

 He'll be on the Today Show Thursday to promote the season opener.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Madam Secretary

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On Wednesday, September 24, 2014, Doug Eastick east...@mcd.on.ca wrote:

 I watched the pilot too.  For a while I thought that the Chief of Staff
 was the same guy as Frank Underwood's right hand man, but I don't think
 so.   Although one of Tea's staff was also on House of Cards.


I think you're confusing noted Slovenian actor Zeljko Ivanek with noted
Philadelphia native Michael Kelly. It's an easy mistake. Add noted Canadian
actor Henry Czerny to the screen and its a confusing edition of Hey it's
that guy!

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Breaking baseball (and hockey, and possibly other sports)?

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On Sunday, August 10, 2014, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 And here, from earlier this year, is a map that shows what major league
 ballpark is closest to every point in America.


 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/04/09/a-map-of-mlb-geography-by-proximity/


Fun fact: that's called a Voronoi Diagram. One of those things you learn
(along with the four colour conjecture, which holds that you can colour a
political map of the world with only 4 colours and have no two bordering
countries with the same colour) in masters programs in industrial
engineering.

Chris

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Tonight's Ferguson repeat

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Perhaps to make it clear why he didn't address Robin Williams's death?

Other late night shows (Fallon, Meyers) have not mentioned it - wonder if
the news broke during or just after taping. Conan posted a short segment
online with Andy and Will Arnett talking about it, saying they found out
while taping.

Chris

On Monday, August 11, 2014, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
tvornottv@googlegroups.com wrote:

 For some reason, Previously Recorded was inserted on the bottom of the
 screen when Craig came out for the monologue.  Don't know if that is just
 for my local market or not, but it is certainly out of the ordinary..

 David

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Why the dueling film critics TV show format ultimately failed

[Chris Neuman]

Dave said:

When he did have the chance to pick bold critics (Wesley Morris and Elvis
Mitchell come immediately to mind), Roger passed.

Now me:

I story I heard was that Ebert did choose Elvis Mitchell but that a screen
test of him with Kristy Lemire showed little or no chemistry.

I like Elvis Mitchell - The Treatment is in frequent rotation on my commute
- but bold people can make for less than salubrious employees. Frankly,
when I heard Mitchell had been dropped I wasn't altogether surprised.

Chris




 --Dave Sikula

 On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:02:05 PM UTC-7, Tom Wolper wrote:

 Ignatiy Vishnevetsky, the last co-host of Roger Ebert's show, describes
 how the format became no longer sustainable.

 http://www.avclub.com/article/i-killed-movies-206668

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Re: [TV orNotTV] ESPN (Apparently) Doesn't Read Their Own Press Releases

[Chris Neuman]

FWIW (and nobody asked) the online CBC streaming has been excellent north
of the border. Far more reliable than their 2010 efforts. And CBC has
wisely chosen the English/international commentary rather than trying to
interpose someone else, restricting the Canadian talent to analysis on the
various networks.

I note John Helm is back and I assume the absence of people asking about
that weird breathing stuff he did in 2010 means he's been medically treated
;)

Chris

On Friday, June 27, 2014, Adam Bowie a...@adambowie.co.uk wrote:

 That's a great combination. Lee Dixon also works for ITV, doing their UCL
 games and internationals. So he's currently in Brazil. He's one of the
 better analysts (and was a pretty decent left back for Arsenal). I was
 disappointed when he moved to ITV from the BBC because they get so little
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Cubs to WBBM

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Does the move away from local programming in WGN America include Chicago's
Best? As a lover of Chicago and a former resident, I do enjoy watching the
show (despite my general dislike for Britney  Payton's daughter and the new
host and the obnoxious product endorsement).

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014, Mark Jeffries spotligh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Which pretty much sets up WGN-TV losing the Cubs, as well.  However, I
 have the feeling that the Ricketts will be holding up Comcast (the dominant
 cable player in Chicago) for their own channel, like YES for the Yankees
 and TWC SportsNet in LA for the Dodgers (although I can see Fox going after
 the Cubs to place on their MyNet station WPWR).

 And Chicago sports, like WGN's local newscasts, seem to be coming to an
 end on WGN America, as the Trib seems to want it to become a big cable
 playa for original programming--and I'm sure they're convinced that the
 playa hatas who want the Cubs, Sox, Bulls and Tom Skilling over sitcom
 reruns and Salem are all 55+.

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 After 90 years on WGN, the Cubs took a dump truck of money to head to
 WBBM (who already has the Bears) for seven years. WSCR (a fellow CBS
 station) has the Sox for one more year (and may take the Cubs if the Sox
 leave). WGN still has the Blackhawks and WMVP has the Bulls.

 http://www.robertfeder.com/2014/06/03/why-wgn-radio-lost-the-cubs/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] NFL passes on Roman numeral for Super Bowl 50

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Olympics also use Roman numerals.

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 Not sport so much as sports entertainment, but the WWE has used Roman
 numerals on the titles of most Wrestlemania events (the most recent being
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Let's see the NFL do this

[Chris Neuman]

Thanks for the info. Wonder if some of the stations that we get in canada
will run into rights issues with The rights holders in Canada? As long as
they don't screw up msnbc I'm happy. Come on You Gunners!

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 As is customary in English football leagues, the matches on the final week
 of the season run concurrently.



 So NBC – American holder of EPL broadcasting rights and not unfamiliar
 with multicasting – has released its Survival Sunday schedule for this
 weekend (1500 GMT/10a ET/7a PT):



 [NBC] Manchester City v. West Ham United

 [NBCSN] Liverpool v. Newcastle United

 [USA] Tottenham Hotspur v. Aston Villa

 [CNBC] Cardiff City v. Chelsea

 [MSNBC] Norwich City v. Arsenal

 [Bravo] Hull City v. Everton

 [Syfy] Southampton v. Manchester United

 [Esquire] Sunderland v. Swansea City

 [E!] Fulham v. Crystal Palace

 [Oxygen] West Bromwich Albion v. Stoke City



 _  _

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Oscar winner leaves HBO series

[Chris Neuman]

That was my understanding as well. Though one wonders given the success of
the show whether Harrelson or McConaughey might have stuck around, Jessica
Lange-esque, for the next anthology. What does Woody have going on,
honestly? ;)

On Monday, March 3, 2014, bradfo...@dwx.com bradfo...@dwx.com wrote:


   Right. The article I read before the series even started said that
 neither Harrelson or McConaughey would be in the second series if it was
 picked up.
 The show was compared to American Horror Story in that each season would
 be a seperate entity. (And yes, I know that on AHS actors have stayed
 on from season to season. But they haven't played the same charactor.) So
 the next series of the show might feature detectives somewhere other than
 New Orleans.


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 It was in the initial press for the show that the season would be one
 complete story, and no suggestion was made that any of the characters or
 cast would continue into a second season.


 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Bob Jersey 
 bob.in.jer...@juno.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bob.in.jer...@juno.com');
  wrote:

 Matthew McConaughey won't be in the second season of *True Detective*...
 is the commenter right that producers intended to swap out the
 investigators each round?


 http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/matthew-mcconaughey-wont-do-a-true-detective-season-2-1201124448/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] canada freaks out....

[Chris Neuman]

That would be my home province of Alberta, whose premier announced this
policy decision via tweet on Friday with no advance notice to the local
constabulary. There was much swearing about who pays for the overtime for
the extra Sunday morning shifts but overall it sounds like everyone
behaved. Weather in the low -20s (at that point it doesn't really matter if
you're talking F or C) probably helped.

(I have always found that Americans regard the term premier as slightly
too soviet for their tastes.)

Chris

On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think I speak for all Americans when I remind you that we're two missed
 bowls of Fiber One away from making you the 51st (Ontario and Quebec) and
 52nd (The Rest) States.

 Then again, you have a provincial leader who allowed bars to serve at 5 AM
 this morning for the game, which, if it happened in this country, would be
 both brilliant and suicidal.


 On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Doug Eastick 
 east...@mcd.on.cajavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','east...@mcd.on.ca');
  wrote:

 Yesterday, the Canadian women's hockey team came back from a 2-0 possible
 loss, to tie it in the last 5 mins, then won it in overtime.Here's some
 videos of how Canada freaked out.

 http://deadspin.com/canadians-freaking-out-over-winning-
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 utm_source=deadspin_twitterutm_medium=socialflow


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Because damned if they'll appreciate it the classic way

[Chris Neuman]

For a look at what might be the future, check out last night's SNL cold
open. Kenan Thompson as Ben Vereen playing Richard Sherman?

On Friday, January 31, 2014, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:

 Fox Sports is betting $1 million that musicals will play a crucial role
 in the future of sports programming. The sports media giant has awarded
 AVByte, a YouTube channel dedicated to musicals, a six-month deal to
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 http://www.thewrap.com/fox-sports-avbyte-million-sports-programming

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Blink (twice) and you'll miss Conan

[Chris Neuman]

In all fairness, as with most percussion instruments the cowbell is easy to
hit, but much harder to hit well and consistently. My wife doesn't believe
me on this.

On my way out, a joke I heard from the lips of a certain N Peart, when he
was on the Rick Mercer Show in Canada. Q. What do you call a drummer with
half a brain? A. Gifted.

Chris

On Sunday, January 5, 2014, Kevin M. wrote:

 The Johnny Carson estate posted another full episode tonight, which first
 aired on this day 25 years ago. Yes the monologue is good, yes I laughed
 loudly at the desk bit, yes Jimmy Stewart blew the roof off the place when
 he revealed his New Year's resolution (talk slower), yes Bob Saget was
 quick-witted and odd, but the musical act is what has me preoccupied this
 evening. His name was Preston Smith, and he had a song I hesitate to call a
 hit on the soundtrack for the Tom Cruise movie Cocktail. And I've been
 cracking myself up all night at the thought of what he chose to do on what
 was apparently his national TV debut. Specifically, he performed his own
 cowbell during the song. That is to say he held a guitar, but by the time
 the chorus hit, he let it hang off his shoulder so he could bang the
 cowbell to his immediate right. And he did so with such fervor that he just
 screamed dig me and my awesome cowbell skills! to the world. Maybe it
 doesn't seem amusing to you, and maybe I'm just in a goofy mood, or maybe I
 just want to take any attention away from Jimmy Fallon, but Mr. Smith
 decided what would win over the American people was if he played cowbell
 during his song. The cowbell, as we all know, is a complex musical
 instrument requiring seconds to master. This predates the more cowbell
 SNL sketch by at least a decade, and the reality of this guy thinking the
 cowbell made him look -- I don't know -- sexy maybe? is just amazingly
 funny to me. Anyway, this episode is a must-watch for anyone who likes
 laughter.

 http://youtu.be/CvKYN4kTNWg


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 New commercial for The Tonight Show



 The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon - A Tradition 
 Continueshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=jjTKhRamYHc

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Not One to Sit Idol, ABC Throws Its Voice Into the Ring

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Given the US market simulcasting in Canada, there's two more time zones
(Atlantic and Newfoundland).

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013, wrote:

 Six times zones (Alaska and Hawaii).  Other than sports and the occasional
 event TV, almost everything in Hawaii was time-delayed two hours behind
 the West Coast feeds when I lived there.

 Doug Fields
 Tampa, FL

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 Four time zones.  That's why the next-night results show was invented,
 instead of the 15 minutes before the late news in one time zone countries.

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 Differentiator: Audience votes for contestants via app real time.
 Article asks the obvious question, how will the producers take into account
 the (mainland) U.S.'s three time zones?

 ABC Orders Singing Competition 'Rising Star' Based on Hot Israeli 
 Formathttp://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/abc-orders-singing-competition-rising-656994

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Re: [TV orNotTV] SNL early info

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I thought the new cast members had been announced?

http://splitsider.com/2013/08/here-are-your-new-snl-featured-players/

On Monday, September 9, 2013, Bob in Jersey wrote:

 Still nothing on new cast, but hosts/music are up for the first few
 weeks... Tina Fey returns in the opener, followed by double duty for the
 twerkish Miley, and Katy Perry joins Bruce Willis in the third:


 http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2013/09/09/saturday-night-live-nbc-tina-fey-miley-cyrus-bruce-willis/2785975/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] US video websites in canada

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I'm guessing that technically you still don't have the rights to the stuff
you're streaming... ;)

You'll take your Netflix Canada and Daily Show clips are available on
Comedy Central dialog boxes and LIKE IT!

Chris in Edmonton



On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Doug Eastick east...@mcd.on.ca wrote:

 I came across usvideo.ca  yesterday, and am trying it for a week.

 So far, with the simple DNS changes and a new USA netflix account, we are
 streaming a bunch of stuff that we never really had the rights to before.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox Gets '18 '22 World Cup Rights

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Any news on who won the bid for Canadian rights?

Chris



On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
  A surprise, given that ESPN was considered the front-runner. The
  Spanish rights go to Telemundo.
 
  http://goo.gl/8EdQv

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 will be in 2018, but I really appreciated that all of the 2010 games
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Sherlock! is now available for streaming at Netflix

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I think a true mark of quality is how well a dramatic piece holds up when
you change setting, time, and even characters. That's why Shakespeare is
literally timeless; if you can stage 16th century plays - like Othello in
the world of high school basketball (O), Hamlet in a biker gang (Sons of
Anarchy), or Much Ado About Nothing as a curling foursome returning from a
bonspiel in the Canadian Prairie (seen at the Edmonton Fringe fest) - you
know you've got solid material on your hands. I thought they got the
Cumberbatch Sherlock just about perfect, a process made easier for excellent
source material.

Chris



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 Very pleased about the renewal, and happy to see that wary TVONTVers
 have been enjoying Sherlock. Showrunner/head-writer Steven Moffat
 has a remarkable track record including the clever kids' show Press
 Gang, the original U.K. sitcom Coupling, the chilling Jekyll
 miniseries, and his fantastical award-winning scripts and current
 stewardship of Doctor Who, - all stuff worth checking out.

 On May 9, 12:37 pm, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   On Monday, May 9, 2011, Adam Bowie adam.bo...@gmail.com wrote:
And they're just about to enter production of series 2 (
  http://twitter.com/#!/Markgatiss/status/67656593365409792) *with*
 Martin
   Freeman, and despite the fact that he's also currently playing Bilbo
 Baggins
   in The Hobbit. I'd guess that the commute between London and Wellington
 is
   quite tricky...
 
Well worth catching if you've not seen them.
 
   I concur. I wanted to dislike this reimagining, but they did an
   excellent job of it. Well produced and well acted, and modernizing it
   did not kill the spirit of the Holmes mythos as I'd feared.
 
  I think I was vocal in my skepticism when this project was fist announced
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  well. I can't recall if I fessed up to watching all of them over New
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Lorre Planning to Save '2.5 Men' Without Sheen

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Somewhere there is a leather-clad Henry Winkler about to strap on some skis
and sail over a hammerhead.

Chris

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Wesley McGee wesley.mc...@gmail.comwrote:

 So it's essentially what we all figured back in January when Charlie Sheen
 napalmed that final bridge with Lorre and the WB.


 On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:

 The Hollywood Reporter says that Chuck Lorre intends to replace
 Charlie Sheen and bolster Jon Duckie Cryer's role and keep TV's top-
 rated sitcom (and syndication's top-rated show of any kind, the first
 show to knock Wheel of Fortune off the top since Nielsen started
 doing weekly national ratings of syndicated shows) on the air for a
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Mad Men' Renewed for Season 5 Without Weiner

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I know it doesn't have as much commercial success as critical success (ooo!
pun) but is there really so little money to go around that they have to lose
2 characters for budget reasons?



On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Joe Coughlin inturnaro...@gmail.comwrote:

 Apparently Weiner will be getting $10 million if he signs, but he's pushing
 back over a few demands AMC has. They want product integration, the run time
 of each episode to be cut by 2 minutes and 2 cast members to be cut for
 economic reasons.

   On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.comwrote:

 AMC's signed for a fifth season with producers Lionsgate, but it won't
 be until next year, almost entirely because neither AMC nor Lionsgate
 has creator/showrunner Matthew Weiner signed for a fifth season:


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Criminal Minds Suspect Behavior

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Forest Whitaker indeed has a lazy eye.

Chris

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess I didn't know Forest Whitaker had a lazy eye (or maybe droopy
 eye), or maybe he just had an eye infection when they shot the pilot.
 Janeane Garofalo is always Janeane Garofalo, so I don't understand why
 she gets cast in roles that are not made for Janeane Garofalo. Nice to
 see Richard Schiff in a bit part, but it only served to remind me how
 much I miss the West Wing.

 This was another pilot had had that moment when they introduced a
 character by having two other characters talking about his bad
 reputation/checkered past. It is starting to get on my nerves.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: JEOPARDY! Watson Day 2 Results (with Spoilers)

[Chris Neuman]

Sorry, late to the game on this, but re: the Toronto answer I wonder if
another sentence structure quirk stumped Watson.  The answer was Its
largest airport is named for a WW2 hero; its second largest, for a WW2
battle.  I hadn't considered the ambiguity of the its but had thought
that the second part of the clue implies knowledge that we're still talking
about airports (second largest what?).  Humans who know English would
understand instinctively but Watson would have to know how to parse this
particular structure -- at which point, my understanding is that it might be
able to access a list of airport names and a list of battles/heroes of WW2
and come to an answer.

Would have liked to see what other options came up. Would also like to know
how much more or less difficult it would be to program Watson for other
languages, which have varying degrees of grammatical strictness compared to
English.

Chris



On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Arik Hesseldahl over at allthingsd.com had an interview with Stephen
 Baker, who is writing Final Jeopardy, a book on this entire event.
 Baker brought up three interesting points on the Toronto response.

 First: Watson is programmed to generally disregard the category name
 as a filter, because of the quirky nature of the game. For example,
 the category could be American Authors, and the clue could be JD
 Salinger wrote this novel, generally considered his greatest work, in
 1951. The category would lead Watson to believe that all the
 responses are going to be names of people, when the answer in this
 case would be the name of the author's work. We saw this the other
 night in the Decades category, where Watson was coming up with answers
 that were clearly not decades.

 This leads to the second point: The first word of the clue was a
 pronoun: its. A human can figure out that the pronoun represented a
 US city as the category tipped off. But Watson couldn't make that
 link, because it doesn't know how to take the category and apply it.
 Had the clue started This US city, it would've known that the answer
 had to be a US city.

 Finally, this brought to light an issue that came up in response to
 exclusive answer situations (Daily Doubles and Final Jeopardy). In
 regular play, if Watson doesn't come up with a response that hits the
 buzz threshold, it simply doesn't answer. But in an exclusive answer
 situation, it doesn't have that option. So the programmers had a
 debate: is there a point where we program Watson to simply *not* give
 a response? They decided no: Watson would always try to answer. In one
 of the Daily Doubles, Watson only had a 34% confidence level in its
 answer, and actually prefaced its response with I'm going to take a
 guess. It turned out it was right.
 Baker revealed something the show did not tell us: Watson had only a
 12% confidence level in the Toronto response. It never would've
 responded to that clue in regular play.

 One of the things I recall reading was that IBM's attitude towards
 this was that, yes, it would be very nice for it to beat the humans,
 but the major point was to not have Watson embarrass itself, since the
 entire thing is a branding exercise for IBM. Since the proverbial talk
 of the town has been How stupid is it to not know that Toronto isn't
 a US city? versus the beatdown it administered in the DJ round, I'd
 say that last night would be described in general as a failure,
 despite being a lock game.

 BTW: Arik was completely unaware as to how Final Jeopardy works. He
 asked Baker if Watson's lack of confidence was why it made such a low
 wager, implying that contestants can place their wager at the same
 time as their answer. Baker seemed taken aback by the question. I
 mean, for heaven's sake, you're a reporter/blogger: do a little
 research!

 All Things D: http://sn.im/22gjvy

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  Before I get to the spoilers, I can tell you that at least two of my
  Facebook friends effectively made the same comment that Kevin's mom
  did last night: just show the damn game. Wednesday (which will feature
  straight game play) can't come soon enough.
 
  And now, the requisite space for spoilers
 
  Just adding lines now
 
  Thanks for the analysis last night, Ben
 
  My wife also appreciated it.
 
  Continuing down
 
  Three more lines now
 
  Server farms are quite fun
 
  Almost there...
 
  SPOILERS START HERE
 
  In the movie The Incredibles, there's a scene in which Mr.
  Incredible breaks into Syndrome's computers a1nd we see the computer
  coldly going through the head-to-head battles between the versions of
  the Omnidroid and various supers. In the rare incidents where the
  supers won, the next version of Omnidroid would easily dispatch the
  super. You see Incredible's face just slackjawed at what he's
  witnessing.
 
  That's exactly what the Double Jeopardy round turned into: Watson just
  completely 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: JEOPARDY! Watson Day 2 Results (with Spoilers)

[Chris Neuman]

Just listened to the Steve Baker / Arik interview.  Baker claimed that
Toronto's main airport was named for a WW2 hero.  Lester B Pearson was a
Canadian icon but didnt' serv in WW2.  He did win a Nobel Prize for helping
resolve the Suez Canal crisis, in the process creating the notion of UN
peacekeepers. He became Prime Minister and served 5 years before Trudeau
took office in 1968.

Thus endeth the Canadian history lesson.

Chris



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 Sorry, late to the game on this, but re: the Toronto answer I wonder if
 another sentence structure quirk stumped Watson.  The answer was Its
 largest airport is named for a WW2 hero; its second largest, for a WW2
 battle.  I hadn't considered the ambiguity of the its but had thought
 that the second part of the clue implies knowledge that we're still talking
 about airports (second largest what?).  Humans who know English would
 understand instinctively but Watson would have to know how to parse this
 particular structure -- at which point, my understanding is that it might be
 able to access a list of airport names and a list of battles/heroes of WW2
 and come to an answer.

 Would have liked to see what other options came up. Would also like to know
 how much more or less difficult it would be to program Watson for other
 languages, which have varying degrees of grammatical strictness compared to
 English.

 Chris



 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Arik Hesseldahl over at allthingsd.com had an interview with Stephen
 Baker, who is writing Final Jeopardy, a book on this entire event.
 Baker brought up three interesting points on the Toronto response.

 First: Watson is programmed to generally disregard the category name
 as a filter, because of the quirky nature of the game. For example,
 the category could be American Authors, and the clue could be JD
 Salinger wrote this novel, generally considered his greatest work, in
 1951. The category would lead Watson to believe that all the
 responses are going to be names of people, when the answer in this
 case would be the name of the author's work. We saw this the other
 night in the Decades category, where Watson was coming up with answers
 that were clearly not decades.

 This leads to the second point: The first word of the clue was a
 pronoun: its. A human can figure out that the pronoun represented a
 US city as the category tipped off. But Watson couldn't make that
 link, because it doesn't know how to take the category and apply it.
 Had the clue started This US city, it would've known that the answer
 had to be a US city.

 Finally, this brought to light an issue that came up in response to
 exclusive answer situations (Daily Doubles and Final Jeopardy). In
 regular play, if Watson doesn't come up with a response that hits the
 buzz threshold, it simply doesn't answer. But in an exclusive answer
 situation, it doesn't have that option. So the programmers had a
 debate: is there a point where we program Watson to simply *not* give
 a response? They decided no: Watson would always try to answer. In one
 of the Daily Doubles, Watson only had a 34% confidence level in its
 answer, and actually prefaced its response with I'm going to take a
 guess. It turned out it was right.
 Baker revealed something the show did not tell us: Watson had only a
 12% confidence level in the Toronto response. It never would've
 responded to that clue in regular play.

 One of the things I recall reading was that IBM's attitude towards
 this was that, yes, it would be very nice for it to beat the humans,
 but the major point was to not have Watson embarrass itself, since the
 entire thing is a branding exercise for IBM. Since the proverbial talk
 of the town has been How stupid is it to not know that Toronto isn't
 a US city? versus the beatdown it administered in the DJ round, I'd
 say that last night would be described in general as a failure,
 despite being a lock game.

 BTW: Arik was completely unaware as to how Final Jeopardy works. He
 asked Baker if Watson's lack of confidence was why it made such a low
 wager, implying that contestants can place their wager at the same
 time as their answer. Baker seemed taken aback by the question. I
 mean, for heaven's sake, you're a reporter/blogger: do a little
 research!

 All Things D: http://sn.im/22gjvy

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
  Before I get to the spoilers, I can tell you that at least two of my
  Facebook friends effectively made the same comment that Kevin's mom
  did last night: just show the damn game. Wednesday (which will feature
  straight game play) can't come soon enough.
 
  And now, the requisite space for spoilers
 
  Just adding lines now
 
  Thanks for the analysis last night, Ben
 
  My wife also appreciated it.
 
  Continuing down
 
  Three more lines now
 
  Server farms are quite fun
 
  Almost

Re: [TV orNotTV] Mitchell Off Ebert's New 'At the Movies'

[Chris Neuman]

Anyone know why Elvis has been dropped?  I've heard he's a bit prickly
(well, I suppose it's related to his short tenure at NYT).  I really enjoy
The Treatment so I'm glad that's not being touched.

Chris

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Joe Coughlin inturnaro...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am really looking forward to this show coming back. Ebert's doing Siskel
 proud with this one.


 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:

 Veteran film critic Elvis Mitchell will not be AP critic Christy
 Lemire's debating partner when Roger Ebert Presents At the Movies
 premieres the weekend of Jan. 21 on over 190 pubcasters through
 American Public Television--Ebert and wife Chaz say they will announce
 a replacement next week:


 http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/towerticker/2010/12/elvis-mitchell-gets-the-thumbs-rush-from-roger-ebert-presents-at-the-movies.html#more

 Mitchell still has his gig hosting LA NPR station KCRW's syndicated
 weekly movie show The Treatment--I suspect that his replacement will
 be Chicago Tribune critic Michael Phillips, who has appeared on the
 old show many times (and co-hosted the last Disney season with the NY
 Times' Tony Scott), especially since home base will be Chicago PBS
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-TV: Russia to host 2018 World Cup, Qatar in 2022

[Chris Neuman]

A small quibble, but it is possible for back-to-back World Cup finals to be
on the same continent.  While it is currently a FIFA policy to rotate them,
FIFA's track record quite clearly shows FIFA policy to be as liquid as the
cash you're willing to pay.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] NPR to Staffers: Don't Show up at Stewart, Colbert Rallies

[Chris Neuman]

Do NPR personnel have the leeway to work on electoral campaigns, volunteer
for causes near and dear to their hearts, etc without the corporation
interjecting itself?

Strikes me that if I were a NPR employee who wanted to go to the rally on my
own time, on my own dime, there's nothing anyone could say about it.  But I
work for government - maybe media is more touchy about alleged bias?

Chris


On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:

 CEO Vivian Schiller and news chief Ellen Weiss have both warned their
 staff, particularly in news, that it would be a big ethics violation
 to have signs or Facebook photos supporting the Comedy Central
 clambake at the Capital Mall on Oct. 30, or to show up at the event
 unless to cover it:

 http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=45aid=192569

 Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if this was the Lonesome Rhodes
 Beck gathering.  However, one wonders the murmurings if Garrison
 Kellior (who doesn't work for NPR, but people think he does) steps on
 the podium on Oct. 30 or if Terry Gross does (not an NPR employee, but
 syndicated by NPR).  I'm wondering if the regular Wait, Wait...Don't
 Tell Me! panelists have received personal memos not to go to the
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-OT: Married by the guy who was too fat to fly

[Chris Neuman]

Smith has for many years had a sideline in his QA events, which started as
college events and have moved to sellout audiences in many different places
(including Carnegie Hall and the Sydney Opera House).  He's recently
combined his smodcasting with the QA sessions, and says the dynamic of
recording in front of an audience is what prompted him to buy the theatre
space. Kevin, you forgot that he will arrange catering for your SMarriage
with local LA food trucks.

He has a few more podcasts too, including Blow Hard with Small Town Gay
Bar director and self-proclaimed selfish top Malcolm Ingram and
Highlands (NJ): A Peephole History which includes him reminiscing with
friends and family about growing up in Monmouth County. Admittedly you have
to be a pretty big fan to catch all of these but the guy is a natural
storyteller even when under the influence. In particular, the Jay and Silent
Bob series has focused mainly on the long and rocky road Jason Mewes has had
in battling drug addiction.  Much of it has been told in other places but
not with Mewes there in attendance.

Chris


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 For those who haven't noticed, writer/director/actor/stoner Kevin
 Smith has been producing multiple podcasts in recent weeks. In
 addition to his Smodcasts, he also co-hosts another one entitled
 Hollywod Babble-On which is sort of like Entertainment Tonight if Mary
 Hart could use the word fuck. He has also begun the Jay and Silent
 Bob Get Old podcast, with his heterosexual lifemate Jason Mewes. But
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: CBC Kicks Out Budd from 'As It Happens'

[Chris Neuman]

Minor quibble - As it Happens airs from 6:30 - 8:00 local time (7 - 8:30
Newfoundland, no doubt) so probably doesn't count as afternoon drive.

Chris

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:

 Barbara Budd co-hosted CBC Radio's trademark afternoon drive interview
 show for 17 years (American Public Media syndicates it to U.S.
 pubstations)--the CBC says that it is trying to weed out the last
 staff announcer types from their news and pubaffairs shows and replace
 them with experienced journalists (Budd was a Stratford Festival
 actress before she got the CBC staff announcer gig that brought her to
 Happens), but the Globe and Mail commenters who are typically-aging
 CBC listeners (just like NPR here) are suspecting Bob Edwards Syndrome
 (or, get rid of the old people):


 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/barbara-budd-sad-to-leave-as-it-happens/article1518015/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NotTV: Vinyl Cafe - new episodes...

[Chris Neuman]

The comparison to Keillor is spot on, I think.  Some of the stories are
funny (I agree with previous posting about Dave and the turkey) but much of
it is a little to Lake Wobegon for anyone younger than 45.

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I listened to the James Bond/library installment. I enjoyed the music
 and the stories, but I'm not wild about the host's voice. It is sort
 of a cross between Jimmy Stewart and Garrison Keillor, with too much
 Keillor (then again, I find ANY Keillor to be too much). I'll give it
 another try, though, and see if another week's stories and music are
 compelling.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Amanpour-to-ABC done deal

[Chris Neuman]

Is this a good it for Amanpour?  It seemed her heart is in foreign
correspondent work, not the Beltway insider role of Stephanopoulos.

Chris

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Bob in Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.comwrote:

 She starts this August...


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