Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
On 13/06/13 15:18, David Peters Bluefinity wrote: > Hi > > As long as you don't tell anyone else, as it might show my age, I can add a > bit of background. I worked for Prime and was seconded to represent sales to > the project in Milton Keynes that delivered PI/open. In fact I was part of > the group that decided on the name and still have some of the original > marketing collateral in a box somewhere. As far as I can remember due to the > implementation Martin outlined the run time code could be moved between Unix > systems without recompiling.But I am sure Martin will be able to remember > and correct me if I am wrong. > That sounds a bit odd to me. Unless you're talking the components that were in BASIC, because Unix systems ran on a lot of different CPUs. But it could well have been "just a recompile". > Assuming we are talking about a UK VAR in South London for the EXL 7330's etc > I was probably involved as well. Small world. > Jefferys Systems - I remember them when they were Wootton Jefferys - that'll date me too! But we also dealt directly with Prime. > And yes I then moved to VMark as they acquired Prime Information. It took > them years to assimilate PI in to Universe, but that's another story!! > Yes - I gather they tried to merge the Prime code with UniData, or some other similar PHB story ... Cheers, Wol > Regards > > David Peters > Sales Manager > BlueFinity International - an Mpower1 Group Company > > -Original Message- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists > Sent: 12 June 2013 22:14 > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information > > On 12/06/13 13:36, Martin Phillips wrote: >> It is interesting to note that just a few weeks before first release >> the marketing guys decided to change the platform on which it would be >> launched. If we had gone the assembler route, this would have imposed a huge >> delay. With C, it took just a few changes to recompile everything. > > When we got rid of our Prime (2750, iirc), we migrated to PI/Open. We > migrated our main system to three EXL7330s, which used a MIPS R3000 processor > - the same as in the Sony Playstation 1 I understand! > > But we also had an EXL300 (if I've got the designation right) which was an > Intel box (286 processor?) and also ran PI/Open. > > So that's two unique architectures right there ... :-) > > Cheers, > Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Hi As long as you don't tell anyone else, as it might show my age, I can add a bit of background. I worked for Prime and was seconded to represent sales to the project in Milton Keynes that delivered PI/open. In fact I was part of the group that decided on the name and still have some of the original marketing collateral in a box somewhere. As far as I can remember due to the implementation Martin outlined the run time code could be moved between Unix systems without recompiling.But I am sure Martin will be able to remember and correct me if I am wrong. Assuming we are talking about a UK VAR in South London for the EXL 7330's etc I was probably involved as well. Small world. And yes I then moved to VMark as they acquired Prime Information. It took them years to assimilate PI in to Universe, but that's another story!! Regards David Peters Sales Manager BlueFinity International - an Mpower1 Group Company -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 12 June 2013 22:14 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 12/06/13 13:36, Martin Phillips wrote: > It is interesting to note that just a few weeks before first release > the marketing guys decided to change the platform on which it would be > launched. If we had gone the assembler route, this would have imposed a huge > delay. With C, it took just a few changes to recompile everything. When we got rid of our Prime (2750, iirc), we migrated to PI/Open. We migrated our main system to three EXL7330s, which used a MIPS R3000 processor - the same as in the Sony Playstation 1 I understand! But we also had an EXL300 (if I've got the designation right) which was an Intel box (286 processor?) and also ran PI/Open. So that's two unique architectures right there ... :-) Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
On 12/06/13 13:36, Martin Phillips wrote: > It is interesting to note that just a few weeks before first release the > marketing guys decided to change the platform on which it > would be launched. If we had gone the assembler route, this would have > imposed a huge delay. With C, it took just a few changes to > recompile everything. When we got rid of our Prime (2750, iirc), we migrated to PI/Open. We migrated our main system to three EXL7330s, which used a MIPS R3000 processor - the same as in the Sony Playstation 1 I understand! But we also had an EXL300 (if I've got the designation right) which was an Intel box (286 processor?) and also ran PI/Open. So that's two unique architectures right there ... :-) Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
I don't know about this idea of "retiring" Prime Information. The Information flavor is part of Universe, you can still select it, so I suggest they "merged" it into Universe, for lack of a better phrasing. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Thanks Martin, I remember those days, but only vaguely and never knew those details. dale On 06/12/2013 07:36 AM, Martin Phillips wrote: I can add that I think VMark rewrote Prime Information in C which really boosted the performance. I think they called it Prime Info or something like that. I'm not sure about this. As far as I know, once VMark took ownership of Prime Information, they gently retired it. Are you thinking of PI/open? If so, I was one of the technical managers for its development. PI/open started life in Prime Australia where the intention was to write it using a macro assembler called K9. Shortly after they got started, Prime Australia was closed and development moved to the UK. I took a look at K9 and decided that it was the wrong way to go as it made assumptions about the underlying processor architecture that were not necessarily valid if we wanted portability without massive rewriting efforts. I made a decision that the core of PI/open would be written in C. This was highly contentious. I can recall a project meeting in which the VP of Engineering stated that my continued employment was dependent on this being successful. At the time, Prime's C compiler was not good and there was much doubt about whether it would produce good code. One of my team was tasked with finding a good C compiler. He took the interesting approach of constructing a very devious program that used all manner of C operations to construct and display the ubiquitous "Hello World" string. Comparison of the resulting object code from a variety of compilers showed that some were not that good whereas one of them evaluated the entire process within the compiler and just generated a print of the literal string. A few performance critical bits of PI/open were still written in assembler but I put a rule in place that there must be a C equivalent too. It is interesting to note that just a few weeks before first release the marketing guys decided to change the platform on which it would be launched. If we had gone the assembler route, this would have imposed a huge delay. With C, it took just a few changes to recompile everything. Phew! I still had a job. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England +44 (0)1604-709200 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Martin, Those are details I hadn't heard. Thanks, Chuck On 6/12/2013 7:36 AM, Martin Phillips wrote: I can add that I think VMark rewrote Prime Information in C which really boosted the performance. I think they called it Prime Info or something like that. I'm not sure about this. As far as I know, once VMark took ownership of Prime Information, they gently retired it. Are you thinking of PI/open? If so, I was one of the technical managers for its development. PI/open started life in Prime Australia where the intention was to write it using a macro assembler called K9. Shortly after they got started, Prime Australia was closed and development moved to the UK. I took a look at K9 and decided that it was the wrong way to go as it made assumptions about the underlying processor architecture that were not necessarily valid if we wanted portability without massive rewriting efforts. I made a decision that the core of PI/open would be written in C. This was highly contentious. I can recall a project meeting in which the VP of Engineering stated that my continued employment was dependent on this being successful. At the time, Prime's C compiler was not good and there was much doubt about whether it would produce good code. One of my team was tasked with finding a good C compiler. He took the interesting approach of constructing a very devious program that used all manner of C operations to construct and display the ubiquitous "Hello World" string. Comparison of the resulting object code from a variety of compilers showed that some were not that good whereas one of them evaluated the entire process within the compiler and just generated a print of the literal string. A few performance critical bits of PI/open were still written in assembler but I put a rule in place that there must be a C equivalent too. It is interesting to note that just a few weeks before first release the marketing guys decided to change the platform on which it would be launched. If we had gone the assembler route, this would have imposed a huge delay. With C, it took just a few changes to recompile everything. Phew! I still had a job. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England +44 (0)1604-709200 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
PI/Open I think that was -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of dale kelley Sent: 12 June 2013 13:09 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information I can add that I think VMark rewrote Prime Information in C which really boosted the performance. I think they called it Prime Info or something like that. Dale On 06/12/2013 03:31 AM, Brett Callacher wrote: > I think it is a hard task for anyone to remember all this - gets complicated. This may help: > http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/familytree.html > > > "Larry Hiscock" wrote in message news:<009e01ce42f0$092cac70$1b860550$@wcs-corp.com>... >> If I recall correctly (and I may not ;-), Ardent was the company >> behind UniData. Ardent and VMark merged (or Ardent acquired VMark -- >> I'm not 100% clear on the details), and retained the Ardent name. >> Ardent was subsequently acquired by Informix, which was acquired by >> IBM, which later sold the U2 division to Rocket Software. >> >> Larry Hiscock >> Western Computer Services >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org >> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David >> Taylor >> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:13 PM >> To: U2 Users List >> Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information >> >> If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. >> >> I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all >> this) that Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of >> Ardent as the President of Informatics, or something like that, to >> run both Ardent and Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired >> Informatics for their database and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. >> >> Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product group. >> >> Certainly someone (Suzie) at Rocket could clarify this and perhaps >> publish an document for historical purposes to document this history >> completely and accurately. >> >> Dave Taylor >> Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. >> >> >> >>> Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One >>> of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by another >>> computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). >>> >>> The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later >>> acquired by Ardent Software. >>> >>> I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and >>> IBM, and while this was going on, there was a separate history >>> happening for Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both >>> Universe and Unidata, and branded them as U2. >>> >>> Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME >>> INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. >>> >>> I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on >>> throughout the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy >>> Styka, which is where I came into this conversation. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >>>> so explain that better >>>> and whats the source? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Allen Egerton >>>> To: U2 Users List >>>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >>>> >>>> >>>> I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime >>>> information. >>>> >>>> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) >>>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >>>> >>>>> That idea doesn't seem right Allen. >>>>> I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's >>>>> bankruptcy. >>>>> One reference says that the Prime assets all went to >>>>> ComputerVision, but it's >>>> just a blog >>>>> Anyone have a newspaper article link ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>&
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
> I can add that I think VMark rewrote Prime Information in C which really > boosted the performance. I think they called it Prime Info or something >like that. I'm not sure about this. As far as I know, once VMark took ownership of Prime Information, they gently retired it. Are you thinking of PI/open? If so, I was one of the technical managers for its development. PI/open started life in Prime Australia where the intention was to write it using a macro assembler called K9. Shortly after they got started, Prime Australia was closed and development moved to the UK. I took a look at K9 and decided that it was the wrong way to go as it made assumptions about the underlying processor architecture that were not necessarily valid if we wanted portability without massive rewriting efforts. I made a decision that the core of PI/open would be written in C. This was highly contentious. I can recall a project meeting in which the VP of Engineering stated that my continued employment was dependent on this being successful. At the time, Prime's C compiler was not good and there was much doubt about whether it would produce good code. One of my team was tasked with finding a good C compiler. He took the interesting approach of constructing a very devious program that used all manner of C operations to construct and display the ubiquitous "Hello World" string. Comparison of the resulting object code from a variety of compilers showed that some were not that good whereas one of them evaluated the entire process within the compiler and just generated a print of the literal string. A few performance critical bits of PI/open were still written in assembler but I put a rule in place that there must be a C equivalent too. It is interesting to note that just a few weeks before first release the marketing guys decided to change the platform on which it would be launched. If we had gone the assembler route, this would have imposed a huge delay. With C, it took just a few changes to recompile everything. Phew! I still had a job. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England +44 (0)1604-709200 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
I can add that I think VMark rewrote Prime Information in C which really boosted the performance. I think they called it Prime Info or something like that. Dale On 06/12/2013 03:31 AM, Brett Callacher wrote: I think it is a hard task for anyone to remember all this - gets complicated. This may help: http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/familytree.html "Larry Hiscock" wrote in message news:<009e01ce42f0$092cac70$1b860550$@wcs-corp.com>... If I recall correctly (and I may not ;-), Ardent was the company behind UniData. Ardent and VMark merged (or Ardent acquired VMark -- I'm not 100% clear on the details), and retained the Ardent name. Ardent was subsequently acquired by Informix, which was acquired by IBM, which later sold the U2 division to Rocket Software. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Taylor Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:13 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all this) that Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of Ardent as the President of Informatics, or something like that, to run both Ardent and Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired Informatics for their database and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product group. Certainly someone (Suzie) at Rocket could clarify this and perhaps publish an document for historical purposes to document this history completely and accurately. Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by another computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later acquired by Ardent Software. I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and IBM, and while this was going on, there was a separate history happening for Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both Universe and Unidata, and branded them as U2. Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on throughout the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy Styka, which is where I came into this conversation. On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: so explain that better and whats the source? -Original Message- From: Allen Egerton To: U2 Users List Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime information. (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: That idea doesn't seem right Allen. I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's bankruptcy. One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, but it's just a blog Anyone have a newspaper article link ? -Original Message- From: Wjhonson To: u2-users Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages Who is the woman in this picture? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg -Original Message- From: Allen Egerton To: U2 Users List Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) Prime Information was a product running as an application on PRIMOS. It was acquired by Vmark and subsequently by Advent if memory serves me correctly. IBM acquired Universe and Unidata and subsequently sold them to Rocket. (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I don't think Universe was ever Prime. -Original Message- From: Allen Egerton To: U2 Users List Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) On 4/25/2013 5:36 PM, Randy Styka wrote: Hi! It's been a long time since I posted here but our company, Computronics, has sold a product called PEEK for Unix systems since 1993. It is most often used for remote support, to see what is on someone's screen. And, if needed to send keystrokes as if they were typing them, to help them out or close out programs. But one of the other uses is for logging. PEEK can be set up to fire off a background process when a user logs in. That process is independent of the user, and can run under another id. It can then write a log of either all keystrokes of the user (input only mode) or of input and the resulting output.
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
I think it is a hard task for anyone to remember all this - gets complicated. This may help: http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/familytree.html "Larry Hiscock" wrote in message news:<009e01ce42f0$092cac70$1b860550$@wcs-corp.com>... > If I recall correctly (and I may not ;-), Ardent was the company behind > UniData. Ardent and VMark merged (or Ardent acquired VMark -- I'm not 100% > clear on the details), and retained the Ardent name. Ardent was > subsequently acquired by Informix, which was acquired by IBM, which later > sold the U2 division to Rocket Software. > > Larry Hiscock > Western Computer Services > > > -Original Message- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Taylor > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:13 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information > > If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. > > I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all this) that > Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of Ardent as the > President of Informatics, or something like that, to run both Ardent and > Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired Informatics for their database > and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. > > Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product group. > > Certainly someone (Suzie) at Rocket could clarify this and perhaps publish > an document for historical purposes to document this history completely and > accurately. > > Dave Taylor > Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. > > > > > Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One > > of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by another > > computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). > > > > The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later > > acquired by Ardent Software. > > > > I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and > > IBM, and while this was going on, there was a separate history > > happening for Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both Universe > > and Unidata, and branded them as U2. > > > > Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME > > INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. > > > > I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on > > throughout the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy Styka, > > which is where I came into this conversation. > > > > > > > > On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >> so explain that better > >> and whats the source? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Allen Egerton > >> To: U2 Users List > >> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm > >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > >> > >> > >> I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime > >> information. > >> > >> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) > >> > >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >> > >>> That idea doesn't seem right Allen. > >>> I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's > >>> bankruptcy. > >>> One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, > >>> but it's > >> just a blog > >>> Anyone have a newspaper article link ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Wjhonson > >>> To: u2-users > >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > >>> > >>> > >>> I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages > >>> > >>> Who is the woman in this picture? > >>> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Allen Egerton > >>> To: U2 Users List > >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and res
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Anthony that's wrong my friend. The lawsuit was a "look and feel" type lawsuit Also, I do not think the DevCom group had anything to do with GIRLS at all. From where are you getting this? Memory is a tricky animal. -Original Message- From: Anthonys Lists To: u2-users Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 2:21 am Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 30/04/2013 19:03, Wjhonson wrote: > Anthony I'd be very surprised if the DevCom code was created that way. > My understanding, and I'm willing to be corrected, was that the DevCom code was built independently > (And thanks for those who jogged my memory) > As a Pick-*like* implementation. Which if you read my post, is what I said! Pick Systems picked off all the derivative versions, but couldn't touch the independent versions, such as Devcom/PI. > And the lawsuit wasn't so much a "they stole our code from us", as an "looks like a duck" lawsuit. > So I don't think the DevCom folk worked for or with Dick at all when they developed that code. I don't know whether they worked with Dick or not. But Devcom was a *grandchild* to the group that developed GIRLS, GIRLS split in two, and then Devcom split off from the "not Pick" half. Do read :-) And (most of) the lawsuits were "they stole our code" suits - which was why the end result of "it wasn't your code for them to steal" was so important. Ashton Tate got burnt over the dBase code in exactly the same way - the original code was US government and when they sued over it they got burnt. Cheers, Wol > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Wols Lists > To: u2-users > Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:57 am > Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information > > > On 29/04/13 19:25, Jerry Banker wrote: >> Prime Information was originally developed by Devcom I'm not sure what the > name was at that time but I do know that Prime Computers bought them out and > bought the rights from Pick to develop independently. Prime became a database > powerhouse with the product at one time encompassing almost 50% of the database > business in the US. From what I heard Vmark was a group of users of Prime > Information that decided to go UNIX so they developed UniVerse borrowing much of > the expertise from Prime to build a product that would ride on UNIX instead of > Primos, Prime's operating system. They even took over some of the offices that > Prime had on Speen Street. When Prime went under, don't ask why, at the end of > the 80's, early 90's, Vmark bought Prime Information. > > Actually, I don't think Pr1me bought the right to develop independently. > > iirc, the group developing GIRLS (Public Domain, btw, as all software > developed for the US gov then was) split in two, with Dick forming Pick > Systems as one half. The Devcom guys then split off from the other half > and were sued (like pretty much everyone else) by Dick. The lawsuit then > concluded that the Devcom guys had as much rights as the Pick guys (bear > in mind also, that Devcom was a re-implementation, not a derivative). > > Which is why Pick Systems ended up picking off and taking over all the > derivative versions, but not the re-implementations. > > I wasn't aware of INFORMATION owning a large chunk of the US market, > after all, they were up against Oracle and DB2 in their own back yard, > but it was Pr1me Australia that licenced PI from Devcom, and they ended > up pretty much owning the Aussie market. I didn't think they bought > Devcom out - Devcom might have turned into Revelation, but they did buy > the (joint) copyright to PI. Again iirc, I think the deal was joint > copyright, co-develop, PI on Pr1me and Devcom elsewhere. > > Cheers, > Wol > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
On 30/04/2013 19:03, Wjhonson wrote: Anthony I'd be very surprised if the DevCom code was created that way. My understanding, and I'm willing to be corrected, was that the DevCom code was built independently (And thanks for those who jogged my memory) As a Pick-*like* implementation. Which if you read my post, is what I said! Pick Systems picked off all the derivative versions, but couldn't touch the independent versions, such as Devcom/PI. And the lawsuit wasn't so much a "they stole our code from us", as an "looks like a duck" lawsuit. So I don't think the DevCom folk worked for or with Dick at all when they developed that code. I don't know whether they worked with Dick or not. But Devcom was a *grandchild* to the group that developed GIRLS, GIRLS split in two, and then Devcom split off from the "not Pick" half. Do read :-) And (most of) the lawsuits were "they stole our code" suits - which was why the end result of "it wasn't your code for them to steal" was so important. Ashton Tate got burnt over the dBase code in exactly the same way - the original code was US government and when they sued over it they got burnt. Cheers, Wol -Original Message----- From: Wols Lists To: u2-users Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:57 am Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 29/04/13 19:25, Jerry Banker wrote: Prime Information was originally developed by Devcom I'm not sure what the name was at that time but I do know that Prime Computers bought them out and bought the rights from Pick to develop independently. Prime became a database powerhouse with the product at one time encompassing almost 50% of the database business in the US. From what I heard Vmark was a group of users of Prime Information that decided to go UNIX so they developed UniVerse borrowing much of the expertise from Prime to build a product that would ride on UNIX instead of Primos, Prime's operating system. They even took over some of the offices that Prime had on Speen Street. When Prime went under, don't ask why, at the end of the 80's, early 90's, Vmark bought Prime Information. Actually, I don't think Pr1me bought the right to develop independently. iirc, the group developing GIRLS (Public Domain, btw, as all software developed for the US gov then was) split in two, with Dick forming Pick Systems as one half. The Devcom guys then split off from the other half and were sued (like pretty much everyone else) by Dick. The lawsuit then concluded that the Devcom guys had as much rights as the Pick guys (bear in mind also, that Devcom was a re-implementation, not a derivative). Which is why Pick Systems ended up picking off and taking over all the derivative versions, but not the re-implementations. I wasn't aware of INFORMATION owning a large chunk of the US market, after all, they were up against Oracle and DB2 in their own back yard, but it was Pr1me Australia that licenced PI from Devcom, and they ended up pretty much owning the Aussie market. I didn't think they bought Devcom out - Devcom might have turned into Revelation, but they did buy the (joint) copyright to PI. Again iirc, I think the deal was joint copyright, co-develop, PI on Pr1me and Devcom elsewhere. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
No, SMI was always in Des Plaines, IL. Oak Brook was home to the McDonalds User Group (MUG) which managed accounting for hundreds (thousands?) of McDonalds hamburger franchises. That software was originally in RPL until it was ported to BASIC. (I had a hand in that.) I have a couple clients in Oak Brook now, including a Universe site that will not be "outted" without their permission. I dunno about any other large/famous sites... T > From: Mike Street > SMI and, of course, RPL. > > From: Wjhonson > Now where have I heard of Oak Brook before? I mean in relation to Pick ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
SMI and, of course, RPL. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information Interesting for the issue of Devcom / Escom, I happen to have in my grubby little hands a copy of Pick Hits from 1988. Escom is listed in Kirkland, and there is also a company called Devcom Mid America which is listed in Oak Brook Illinois Now where have I heard of Oak Brook before? I mean in relation to Pick ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Interesting for the issue of Devcom / Escom, I happen to have in my grubby little hands a copy of Pick Hits from 1988. Escom is listed in Kirkland, and there is also a company called Devcom Mid America which is listed in Oak Brook Illinois Now where have I heard of Oak Brook before? I mean in relation to Pick ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Devcom was a spin-off from Escom Seattle and was also involved in building the original version of Revelation. Mike -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information Anthony I'd be very surprised if the DevCom code was created that way. My understanding, and I'm willing to be corrected, was that the DevCom code was built independently (And thanks for those who jogged my memory) As a Pick-*like* implementation. And the lawsuit wasn't so much a "they stole our code from us", as an "looks like a duck" lawsuit. So I don't think the DevCom folk worked for or with Dick at all when they developed that code. -Original Message- From: Wols Lists To: u2-users Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:57 am Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 29/04/13 19:25, Jerry Banker wrote: > Prime Information was originally developed by Devcom I'm not sure what the name was at that time but I do know that Prime Computers bought them out and bought the rights from Pick to develop independently. Prime became a database powerhouse with the product at one time encompassing almost 50% of the database business in the US. From what I heard Vmark was a group of users of Prime Information that decided to go UNIX so they developed UniVerse borrowing much of the expertise from Prime to build a product that would ride on UNIX instead of Primos, Prime's operating system. They even took over some of the offices that Prime had on Speen Street. When Prime went under, don't ask why, at the end of the 80's, early 90's, Vmark bought Prime Information. Actually, I don't think Pr1me bought the right to develop independently. iirc, the group developing GIRLS (Public Domain, btw, as all software developed for the US gov then was) split in two, with Dick forming Pick Systems as one half. The Devcom guys then split off from the other half and were sued (like pretty much everyone else) by Dick. The lawsuit then concluded that the Devcom guys had as much rights as the Pick guys (bear in mind also, that Devcom was a re-implementation, not a derivative). Which is why Pick Systems ended up picking off and taking over all the derivative versions, but not the re-implementations. I wasn't aware of INFORMATION owning a large chunk of the US market, after all, they were up against Oracle and DB2 in their own back yard, but it was Pr1me Australia that licenced PI from Devcom, and they ended up pretty much owning the Aussie market. I didn't think they bought Devcom out - Devcom might have turned into Revelation, but they did buy the (joint) copyright to PI. Again iirc, I think the deal was joint copyright, co-develop, PI on Pr1me and Devcom elsewhere. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Anthony I'd be very surprised if the DevCom code was created that way. My understanding, and I'm willing to be corrected, was that the DevCom code was built independently (And thanks for those who jogged my memory) As a Pick-*like* implementation. And the lawsuit wasn't so much a "they stole our code from us", as an "looks like a duck" lawsuit. So I don't think the DevCom folk worked for or with Dick at all when they developed that code. -Original Message- From: Wols Lists To: u2-users Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:57 am Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 29/04/13 19:25, Jerry Banker wrote: > Prime Information was originally developed by Devcom I'm not sure what the name was at that time but I do know that Prime Computers bought them out and bought the rights from Pick to develop independently. Prime became a database powerhouse with the product at one time encompassing almost 50% of the database business in the US. From what I heard Vmark was a group of users of Prime Information that decided to go UNIX so they developed UniVerse borrowing much of the expertise from Prime to build a product that would ride on UNIX instead of Primos, Prime's operating system. They even took over some of the offices that Prime had on Speen Street. When Prime went under, don't ask why, at the end of the 80's, early 90's, Vmark bought Prime Information. Actually, I don't think Pr1me bought the right to develop independently. iirc, the group developing GIRLS (Public Domain, btw, as all software developed for the US gov then was) split in two, with Dick forming Pick Systems as one half. The Devcom guys then split off from the other half and were sued (like pretty much everyone else) by Dick. The lawsuit then concluded that the Devcom guys had as much rights as the Pick guys (bear in mind also, that Devcom was a re-implementation, not a derivative). Which is why Pick Systems ended up picking off and taking over all the derivative versions, but not the re-implementations. I wasn't aware of INFORMATION owning a large chunk of the US market, after all, they were up against Oracle and DB2 in their own back yard, but it was Pr1me Australia that licenced PI from Devcom, and they ended up pretty much owning the Aussie market. I didn't think they bought Devcom out - Devcom might have turned into Revelation, but they did buy the (joint) copyright to PI. Again iirc, I think the deal was joint copyright, co-develop, PI on Pr1me and Devcom elsewhere. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
On 29/04/13 19:25, Jerry Banker wrote: > Prime Information was originally developed by Devcom I'm not sure what the > name was at that time but I do know that Prime Computers bought them out and > bought the rights from Pick to develop independently. Prime became a database > powerhouse with the product at one time encompassing almost 50% of the > database business in the US. From what I heard Vmark was a group of users of > Prime Information that decided to go UNIX so they developed UniVerse > borrowing much of the expertise from Prime to build a product that would ride > on UNIX instead of Primos, Prime's operating system. They even took over some > of the offices that Prime had on Speen Street. When Prime went under, don't > ask why, at the end of the 80's, early 90's, Vmark bought Prime Information. Actually, I don't think Pr1me bought the right to develop independently. iirc, the group developing GIRLS (Public Domain, btw, as all software developed for the US gov then was) split in two, with Dick forming Pick Systems as one half. The Devcom guys then split off from the other half and were sued (like pretty much everyone else) by Dick. The lawsuit then concluded that the Devcom guys had as much rights as the Pick guys (bear in mind also, that Devcom was a re-implementation, not a derivative). Which is why Pick Systems ended up picking off and taking over all the derivative versions, but not the re-implementations. I wasn't aware of INFORMATION owning a large chunk of the US market, after all, they were up against Oracle and DB2 in their own back yard, but it was Pr1me Australia that licenced PI from Devcom, and they ended up pretty much owning the Aussie market. I didn't think they bought Devcom out - Devcom might have turned into Revelation, but they did buy the (joint) copyright to PI. Again iirc, I think the deal was joint copyright, co-develop, PI on Pr1me and Devcom elsewhere. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Prime Information was originally developed by Devcom I'm not sure what the name was at that time but I do know that Prime Computers bought them out and bought the rights from Pick to develop independently. Prime became a database powerhouse with the product at one time encompassing almost 50% of the database business in the US. From what I heard Vmark was a group of users of Prime Information that decided to go UNIX so they developed UniVerse borrowing much of the expertise from Prime to build a product that would ride on UNIX instead of Primos, Prime's operating system. They even took over some of the offices that Prime had on Speen Street. When Prime went under, don't ask why, at the end of the 80's, early 90's, Vmark bought Prime Information. > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > From: wjhon...@aol.com > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:03:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information > > What is the origin of Prime Information? > How did that come about? > > The histories I've seen so far about Prime focus almost exclusively in the > hardware. Who developed Information ? Why did they make it "Pick" like ? > Where did they go ? > > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
What is the origin of Prime Information? How did that come about? The histories I've seen so far about Prime focus almost exclusively in the hardware. Who developed Information ? Why did they make it "Pick" like ? Where did they go ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Ah, I recall Prime small mini-tower (under the desk) AT&T System V boxes too -the EXL 300 series which ran a re-branded version of UniVerse (PI/EXL I think). This was rolled out before the EXL 7000 series which were MIPS RISC/os based servers. I vaguely recall Prime was looking at Silicon Graphics and Sequent (the latter was bought by IBM) When PI/Open finally arrived it was great, but the loss of the Primos Batch subsystem and spooler was a bit of a culture shock and required some rewrites...Prime tried to port their Batch and Spooler products to UNIX (not that successfully as I recall!). UV at the time was a giant step backwards for Prime INFORMATION users in many respects but the catch the fact it got you off very old, slow expensive hardware. :) But even then they weren't cheap (by today's standards)... http://www.cbronline.com/news/prime_adds_to_exl_line_pick_netware_on_all_its_unix_kit For those interested the demise of Prime/CV is documented in these links partially documented here: http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/computervision-corporation-history/ I recall a story from some ex-Prime employees that ponder where Prime would be today...if only they purchased another company instead of Computervision...that company was Sun Microsystems... probably still in the same place! :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013 6:59 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information I think prime and vmark had done business together hence why the purchase - I remember back in 92/93 when we had a pair of prime 1920's (I think) running prime information, we then got a new prime unix box, that was actually a rebadged MIPS running Riscos, they said at the time that PI+ the new version of Information for unix was not quite ready but they would supply universe version 1 for free while they finished it off. Going from prime information to uv v1 was like taking a backward step, and we found a load of bugs in uv, esp with the locking tables, and deadlocks etc. Anyway we eventually got PI+ but I think it was just after that that Prime went out of business, we also used the CAD software, so we took the computervision CAD and ended up with PI+ but supplied by universe. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 27 April 2013 14:54 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 27/04/13 05:26, Wjhonson wrote: > Okay but let's just talk about 1990-1993 How did Computer Vision > exactly get its hands on Prime Information ? > This happened *before* the final bankruptcy of Prime? > Or did somehow Prime sell or spin off Computer Vision with Prime Information as well? iirc they didn't. Computer Vision did a sort of reverse buyout, taking Prime's CAD business with it. INFORMATION was sold to Vmark, and the hardware business was sold to ?Pericom? That might be why Pr1mos has ended up in copyright limbo. There was a "White Knight" involved in this, so I'm guessing that the breakup and sale was along the lines of "PI to Vmark, software to Computer Vision, and hardware and support to this other company". With the result that it wasn't clearly specified who got the copyrights to Pr1mos and now nobody can do much with it because they don't know who actually owns it... > > Enquiring minds want to know > Well, I might not be much good at enlightening, but I was around as a customer when it all happened ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5776 - Release Date: 04/26/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
I think prime and vmark had done business together hence why the purchase - I remember back in 92/93 when we had a pair of prime 1920's (I think) running prime information, we then got a new prime unix box, that was actually a rebadged MIPS running Riscos, they said at the time that PI+ the new version of Information for unix was not quite ready but they would supply universe version 1 for free while they finished it off. Going from prime information to uv v1 was like taking a backward step, and we found a load of bugs in uv, esp with the locking tables, and deadlocks etc. Anyway we eventually got PI+ but I think it was just after that that Prime went out of business, we also used the CAD software, so we took the computervision CAD and ended up with PI+ but supplied by universe. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: 27 April 2013 14:54 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information On 27/04/13 05:26, Wjhonson wrote: > Okay but let's just talk about 1990-1993 How did Computer Vision > exactly get its hands on Prime Information ? > This happened *before* the final bankruptcy of Prime? > Or did somehow Prime sell or spin off Computer Vision with Prime Information as well? iirc they didn't. Computer Vision did a sort of reverse buyout, taking Prime's CAD business with it. INFORMATION was sold to Vmark, and the hardware business was sold to ?Pericom? That might be why Pr1mos has ended up in copyright limbo. There was a "White Knight" involved in this, so I'm guessing that the breakup and sale was along the lines of "PI to Vmark, software to Computer Vision, and hardware and support to this other company". With the result that it wasn't clearly specified who got the copyrights to Pr1mos and now nobody can do much with it because they don't know who actually owns it... > > Enquiring minds want to know > Well, I might not be much good at enlightening, but I was around as a customer when it all happened ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5776 - Release Date: 04/26/13 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
On 27/04/13 05:26, Wjhonson wrote: > Okay but let's just talk about 1990-1993 > How did Computer Vision exactly get its hands on Prime Information ? > This happened *before* the final bankruptcy of Prime? > Or did somehow Prime sell or spin off Computer Vision with Prime Information > as well? iirc they didn't. Computer Vision did a sort of reverse buyout, taking Prime's CAD business with it. INFORMATION was sold to Vmark, and the hardware business was sold to ?Pericom? That might be why Pr1mos has ended up in copyright limbo. There was a "White Knight" involved in this, so I'm guessing that the breakup and sale was along the lines of "PI to Vmark, software to Computer Vision, and hardware and support to this other company". With the result that it wasn't clearly specified who got the copyrights to Pr1mos and now nobody can do much with it because they don't know who actually owns it... > > Enquiring minds want to know > Well, I might not be much good at enlightening, but I was around as a customer when it all happened ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Okay but let's just talk about 1990-1993 How did Computer Vision exactly get its hands on Prime Information ? This happened *before* the final bankruptcy of Prime? Or did somehow Prime sell or spin off Computer Vision with Prime Information as well? Enquiring minds want to know ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Informix? Yes! Informatics? HaHaHa! LOL > Bingo. > > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] on behalf of Kevin King > [ke...@precisonline.com] > Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 7:22 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information > > Vmark + Unidata = Ardent -> Informix -> IBM - Rocket, right? > > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM, David Taylor > wrote: > >> If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. >> >> I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all this) >> that Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of Ardent >> as >> the President of Informatics, or something like that, to run both Ardent >> and Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired Informatics for their >> database and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. >> >> Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product >> group. >> >> Certainly someone (Suzie) at Rocket could clarify this and perhaps >> publish >> an document for historical purposes to document this history completely >> and accurately. >> >> Dave Taylor >> Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. >> >> >> >> > Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One >> > of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by >> another >> > computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). >> > >> > The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later >> > acquired by Ardent Software. >> > >> > I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and >> IBM, >> > and while this was going on, there was a separate history happening >> for >> > Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both Universe and Unidata, >> > and branded them as U2. >> > >> > Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME >> > INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. >> > >> > I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on >> throughout >> > the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy Styka, which is >> > where I came into this conversation. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >> >> so explain that better >> >> and whats the source? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: Allen Egerton >> >> To: U2 Users List >> >> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm >> >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >> >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime >> >> information. >> >> >> >> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >> >> >> >>> That idea doesn't seem right Allen. >> >>> I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's >> >>> bankruptcy. >> >>> One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, >> >>> but it's >> >> just a blog >> >>> Anyone have a newspaper article link ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: Wjhonson >> >>> To: u2-users >> >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am >> >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages >> >>> >> >>> Who is the woman in this picture? >> >>> >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: Allen Egerton >> >>> To: U2 Users List >> >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am >> >>> Su
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Bingo. From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] on behalf of Kevin King [ke...@precisonline.com] Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 7:22 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information Vmark + Unidata = Ardent -> Informix -> IBM - Rocket, right? On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM, David Taylor wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. > > I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all this) > that Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of Ardent as > the President of Informatics, or something like that, to run both Ardent > and Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired Informatics for their > database and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. > > Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product group. > > Certainly someone (Suzie) at Rocket could clarify this and perhaps publish > an document for historical purposes to document this history completely > and accurately. > > Dave Taylor > Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. > > > > > Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One > > of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by another > > computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). > > > > The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later > > acquired by Ardent Software. > > > > I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and IBM, > > and while this was going on, there was a separate history happening for > > Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both Universe and Unidata, > > and branded them as U2. > > > > Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME > > INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. > > > > I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on throughout > > the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy Styka, which is > > where I came into this conversation. > > > > > > > > On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >> so explain that better > >> and whats the source? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Allen Egerton > >> To: U2 Users List > >> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm > >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > >> > >> > >> I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime > >> information. > >> > >> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) > >> > >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >> > >>> That idea doesn't seem right Allen. > >>> I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's > >>> bankruptcy. > >>> One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, > >>> but it's > >> just a blog > >>> Anyone have a newspaper article link ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Wjhonson > >>> To: u2-users > >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > >>> > >>> > >>> I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages > >>> > >>> Who is the woman in this picture? > >>> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Allen Egerton > >>> To: U2 Users List > >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > >>> > >>> > >>> Prime Information was a product running as an application on PRIMOS. > >>> > >>> It was acquired by Vmark and subsequently by Advent if memory serves > >>> me > >>> correctly. > >>> > >>> IBM acquired Universe and Unidata and subsequently sold them to Rocket. > >>> > >>> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) > >>> > >>> On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
If I recall correctly (and I may not ;-), Ardent was the company behind UniData. Ardent and VMark merged (or Ardent acquired VMark -- I'm not 100% clear on the details), and retained the Ardent name. Ardent was subsequently acquired by Informix, which was acquired by IBM, which later sold the U2 division to Rocket Software. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Taylor Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:13 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all this) that Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of Ardent as the President of Informatics, or something like that, to run both Ardent and Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired Informatics for their database and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product group. Certainly someone (Suzie) at Rocket could clarify this and perhaps publish an document for historical purposes to document this history completely and accurately. Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. > Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One > of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by another > computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). > > The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later > acquired by Ardent Software. > > I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and > IBM, and while this was going on, there was a separate history > happening for Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both Universe > and Unidata, and branded them as U2. > > Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME > INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. > > I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on > throughout the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy Styka, > which is where I came into this conversation. > > > > On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >> so explain that better >> and whats the source? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Allen Egerton >> To: U2 Users List >> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >> >> >> I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime >> information. >> >> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) >> >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >> >>> That idea doesn't seem right Allen. >>> I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's >>> bankruptcy. >>> One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, >>> but it's >> just a blog >>> Anyone have a newspaper article link ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Wjhonson >>> To: u2-users >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >>> >>> >>> I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages >>> >>> Who is the woman in this picture? >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Allen Egerton >>> To: U2 Users List >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >>> >>> >>> Prime Information was a product running as an application on PRIMOS. >>> >>> It was acquired by Vmark and subsequently by Advent if memory >>> serves me correctly. >>> >>> IBM acquired Universe and Unidata and subsequently sold them to Rocket. >>> >>> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think Universe was ever Prime. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Allen Egerton >>>> To: U2 Users List >>>> Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm >&
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
I believe that was Informix rather than Informatics. Richard Lewis On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM, David Taylor wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. > > I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all this) > that Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of Ardent as > the President of Informatics, or something like that, to run both Ardent > and Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired Informatics for their > database and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. > > Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product group. > ... > Dave Taylor > Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. > > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Vmark + Unidata = Ardent -> Informix -> IBM - Rocket, right? On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:12 PM, David Taylor wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. > > I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all this) > that Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of Ardent as > the President of Informatics, or something like that, to run both Ardent > and Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired Informatics for their > database and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. > > Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product group. > > Certainly someone (Suzie) at Rocket could clarify this and perhaps publish > an document for historical purposes to document this history completely > and accurately. > > Dave Taylor > Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. > > > > > Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One > > of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by another > > computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). > > > > The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later > > acquired by Ardent Software. > > > > I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and IBM, > > and while this was going on, there was a separate history happening for > > Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both Universe and Unidata, > > and branded them as U2. > > > > Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME > > INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. > > > > I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on throughout > > the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy Styka, which is > > where I came into this conversation. > > > > > > > > On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >> so explain that better > >> and whats the source? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Allen Egerton > >> To: U2 Users List > >> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm > >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > >> > >> > >> I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime > >> information. > >> > >> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) > >> > >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >> > >>> That idea doesn't seem right Allen. > >>> I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's > >>> bankruptcy. > >>> One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, > >>> but it's > >> just a blog > >>> Anyone have a newspaper article link ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Wjhonson > >>> To: u2-users > >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > >>> > >>> > >>> I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages > >>> > >>> Who is the woman in this picture? > >>> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Allen Egerton > >>> To: U2 Users List > >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > >>> > >>> > >>> Prime Information was a product running as an application on PRIMOS. > >>> > >>> It was acquired by Vmark and subsequently by Advent if memory serves > >>> me > >>> correctly. > >>> > >>> IBM acquired Universe and Unidata and subsequently sold them to Rocket. > >>> > >>> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) > >>> > >>> On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >>> > I don't think Universe was ever Prime. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Allen Egerton > To: U2 Users List > Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm > Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > > > > On 4/25/2013 5:36 PM, Randy Styka wrote: > > Hi! > > > > It's been a long time since I posted here but our company, > > Computronics, > > has sold a product called PEEK for Unix systems since 1993. It is > > most > > often used for remote support, to see what is on someone's screen. > > And, > > if needed to send keystrokes as if they were typing them, to help > > them > > out or close out programs. > > > > But one of the other uses is for logging. PEEK can be set up to fire > > off > > a background process when a user logs in. That process is > > independent of > > the user, and can run under another id. It can then write a log of > > either > > all keystrokes of the user (input only mode) or of input and the > > resulting > > output. Since it runs under a different id, the logs can be placed > > where > > you want and they can't be modified or accessed by the user being > > "peeked" > > on. > > > > If this is of interest, visit http://www.computroni
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
If I'm not mistaken, there was another company in between Vmark and IBM. I believe (and there may have been some smoke and mirrors in all this) that Informatics "acquired" Ardent and then assigned the CEO of Ardent as the President of Informatics, or something like that, to run both Ardent and Informatics. And then later, IBM acquired Informatics for their database and just inherited Vardent almost by accident. Then, I believe that IBM acquired Unidata and formed the U2 product group. Certainly someone (Suzie) at Rocket could clarify this and perhaps publish an document for historical purposes to document this history completely and accurately. Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. > Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One > of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by another > computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). > > The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later > acquired by Ardent Software. > > I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and IBM, > and while this was going on, there was a separate history happening for > Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both Universe and Unidata, > and branded them as U2. > > Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME > INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. > > I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on throughout > the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy Styka, which is > where I came into this conversation. > > > > On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >> so explain that better >> and whats the source? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Allen Egerton >> To: U2 Users List >> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >> >> >> I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime >> information. >> >> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) >> >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >> >>> That idea doesn't seem right Allen. >>> I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's >>> bankruptcy. >>> One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, >>> but it's >> just a blog >>> Anyone have a newspaper article link ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Wjhonson >>> To: u2-users >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >>> >>> >>> I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages >>> >>> Who is the woman in this picture? >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Allen Egerton >>> To: U2 Users List >>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >>> >>> >>> Prime Information was a product running as an application on PRIMOS. >>> >>> It was acquired by Vmark and subsequently by Advent if memory serves >>> me >>> correctly. >>> >>> IBM acquired Universe and Unidata and subsequently sold them to Rocket. >>> >>> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >>> I don't think Universe was ever Prime. -Original Message- From: Allen Egerton To: U2 Users List Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) On 4/25/2013 5:36 PM, Randy Styka wrote: > Hi! > > It's been a long time since I posted here but our company, > Computronics, > has sold a product called PEEK for Unix systems since 1993. It is > most > often used for remote support, to see what is on someone's screen. > And, > if needed to send keystrokes as if they were typing them, to help > them > out or close out programs. > > But one of the other uses is for logging. PEEK can be set up to fire > off > a background process when a user logs in. That process is > independent of > the user, and can run under another id. It can then write a log of > either > all keystrokes of the user (input only mode) or of input and the > resulting > output. Since it runs under a different id, the logs can be placed > where > you want and they can't be modified or accessed by the user being > "peeked" > on. > > If this is of interest, visit http://www.computronics.com and look > for > information on PEEK. The manuals are there and a free trial is > available. > Note we are UNIX only (we don't do Windows ;-) > > If you have questions, email me at ra...@computronics.com. Thanks! > Randy > > ++ > | Computronics Randy Styka, ra...@computronics.com > | > | 4N165 Woo
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
Prime Computer out of Natick Massachusetts went out of business. One of their products was PR1ME INFORMATION. They were acquired by another computer, Computervision (Thank you Mark, I'd forgotten the name). The product PRIME INFORMATION was acquired by VMark. Vmark was later acquired by Ardent Software. I don't remember if there were any companies in between Ardent and IBM, and while this was going on, there was a separate history happening for Unidata. Net upshot was that IBM acquired both Universe and Unidata, and branded them as U2. Source - my memory, (such as it is). I started playing with PR1ME INFORMATION on a PR1ME 450-II back in 1978. I bought disk drives, controllers, and tape units off and on throughout the years from Computronix, specifically from Randy Styka, which is where I came into this conversation. On 4/26/2013 4:18 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > so explain that better > and whats the source? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Allen Egerton > To: U2 Users List > Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > > > I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime information. > > (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >> That idea doesn't seem right Allen. >> I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's >> bankruptcy. >> One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, but >> it's > just a blog >> Anyone have a newspaper article link ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Wjhonson >> To: u2-users >> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >> >> >> I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages >> >> Who is the woman in this picture? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Allen Egerton >> To: U2 Users List >> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >> >> >> Prime Information was a product running as an application on PRIMOS. >> >> It was acquired by Vmark and subsequently by Advent if memory serves me >> correctly. >> >> IBM acquired Universe and Unidata and subsequently sold them to Rocket. >> >> (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) >> >> On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Wjhonson wrote: >> >>> I don't think Universe was ever Prime. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Allen Egerton >>> To: U2 Users List >>> Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm >>> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2013 5:36 PM, Randy Styka wrote: Hi! It's been a long time since I posted here but our company, Computronics, has sold a product called PEEK for Unix systems since 1993. It is most often used for remote support, to see what is on someone's screen. And, if needed to send keystrokes as if they were typing them, to help them out or close out programs. But one of the other uses is for logging. PEEK can be set up to fire off a background process when a user logs in. That process is independent of the user, and can run under another id. It can then write a log of either all keystrokes of the user (input only mode) or of input and the resulting output. Since it runs under a different id, the logs can be placed where you want and they can't be modified or accessed by the user being "peeked" on. If this is of interest, visit http://www.computronics.com and look for information on PEEK. The manuals are there and a free trial is available. Note we are UNIX only (we don't do Windows ;-) If you have questions, email me at ra...@computronics.com. Thanks! Randy ++ | Computronics Randy Styka, ra...@computronics.com | | 4N165 Wood Dale Road Phone: 630/941-7767| | Addison, Illinois 60101 USA Fax:630/941-7714| |www:http://www.computronics.com | | for product information: i...@computronics.com | | for product support: supp...@computronics.com| ++ >>> >>> For what it may be worth; I'm happy to vouch for Randy and Computronics >>> in general. They've been around for Universe since it was Prime >>> Information and have a stellar reputation. >>> >>> -- >>> Allen Egerton; aeger...@pobox.com >>> >>> ___ >>> U2-Users mailing list >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> U2-Use
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
http://www.cbronline.com/news/computervision_agrees_to_sell_prime_informationopen_to_vmark -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] History of Prime Information so explain that better and whats the source? -Original Message- From: Allen Egerton To: U2 Users List Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime information. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History of Prime Information
so explain that better and whats the source? -Original Message- From: Allen Egerton To: U2 Users List Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) I didn't say vmark acquired prime. I said they acquired prime information. (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) On Apr 26, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > That idea doesn't seem right Allen. > I can't find any reference to Vmark acquiring Prime, after Prime's bankruptcy. > One reference says that the Prime assets all went to ComputerVision, but it's just a blog > Anyone have a newspaper article link ? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Wjhonson > To: u2-users > Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:58 am > Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > > > I'll have to update the wiki poo pea a pages > > Who is the woman in this picture? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prime9950_kean.jpg > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Allen Egerton > To: U2 Users List > Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:31 am > Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) > > > Prime Information was a product running as an application on PRIMOS. > > It was acquired by Vmark and subsequently by Advent if memory serves me > correctly. > > IBM acquired Universe and Unidata and subsequently sold them to Rocket. > > (Allen - Sent from my paperweight) > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Wjhonson wrote: > >> I don't think Universe was ever Prime. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Allen Egerton >> To: U2 Users List >> Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:06 pm >> Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging (AD) >> >> >> >> On 4/25/2013 5:36 PM, Randy Styka wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> It's been a long time since I posted here but our company, Computronics, >>> has sold a product called PEEK for Unix systems since 1993. It is most >>> often used for remote support, to see what is on someone's screen. And, >>> if needed to send keystrokes as if they were typing them, to help them >>> out or close out programs. >>> >>> But one of the other uses is for logging. PEEK can be set up to fire off >>> a background process when a user logs in. That process is independent of >>> the user, and can run under another id. It can then write a log of either >>> all keystrokes of the user (input only mode) or of input and the resulting >>> output. Since it runs under a different id, the logs can be placed where >>> you want and they can't be modified or accessed by the user being "peeked" >>> on. >>> >>> If this is of interest, visit http://www.computronics.com and look for >>> information on PEEK. The manuals are there and a free trial is available. >>> Note we are UNIX only (we don't do Windows ;-) >>> >>> If you have questions, email me at ra...@computronics.com. Thanks! Randy >>> >>> ++ >>> | Computronics Randy Styka, ra...@computronics.com | >>> | 4N165 Wood Dale Road Phone: 630/941-7767| >>> | Addison, Illinois 60101 USA Fax:630/941-7714| >>> |www:http://www.computronics.com | >>> | for product information: i...@computronics.com | >>> | for product support: supp...@computronics.com| >>> ++ >> >> For what it may be worth; I'm happy to vouch for Randy and Computronics >> in general. They've been around for Universe since it was Prime >> Information and have a stellar reputation. >> >> -- >> Allen Egerton; aeger...@pobox.com >> >> ___ >> U2-Users mailing list >> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> >> >> ___ >> U2-Users mailing list >> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History..
On 20/03/13 18:11, Israel, John R. wrote: > Type: > .L > To list the past commands. > > .Xn > To re-execute the nth command. > > .? > For help Also .Rn to pull the nth command back into first (default) place. That's useful if you've got the COMMAND.EDITOR switched on. By the way, "n" defaults to 1, so ".Rn .X" will have the same effect as ".Xn" Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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It seems to me that I remember something along the lines of, if the subroutine code lives in the same file as the calling program code, then you don't actually have to CATALOG the subroutine in order for the calling program to be able to find it and run it. -Original Message- From: Israel, John R. To: U2 Users List Sent: Wed, Mar 20, 2013 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [U2] History.. Also, Once a program is cataloged, you no longer need to type the "RUN filename programname". You can just type the programname. Note that if the program is a subroutine AND it has arguments, you cannot run this from TCL. It will blow up right away. No harm, but no execution either. You also have to catalog a program in order to CALL it by another program. Be sure to understand the impact of cataloging globally (the default) vs. locally. We catalog everything locally on our box which simply builds a VOC pointer to the object code. This means that once it is cataloged once, we never need to catalog it again, but other accounts cannot see it w/o being cataloged in those other accounts too. Globally cataloged programs are available to anyone on the box (but can lead to confusion between different account w/ different versions of the same program). Both global and local have their advantages and disadvantages. JRI -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen Egerton Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:25 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] History.. John answered your sentence stack commands, so I'll take a shot at how to execute a program. Typically programs are stored in type 1 files, aka directories or folders, (terminology usually depends upon base operating system, *ix or windows). There's a corresponding file containing the object code. To execute the program, you would typically enter RUN filename programname at the command prompt. Then, there's cataloged code which is a method of storing object code so that it can be referenced by multiple users, (unless it's cataloged "locally"). You can also execute a program directly from its native host without entering UniData if you know where the binary executable lives. The last three are included only for some semblance of completeness, I believe that the answer you're looking for right now is paragraphs two and three. On 3/19/2013 11:17 AM, Sathya wrote: > Hi all,.. > > I'm pretty new to Unidata. just wanted to know the command for listing > the history of commands and how to select nth number of command. > > Also how to execute a unidata program. > > I know my questions will be very simple. But as I'm entirely new to > this, unable to find that anywhere :-( > > TIA, > Sathya V. > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History..
Also, Once a program is cataloged, you no longer need to type the "RUN filename programname". You can just type the programname. Note that if the program is a subroutine AND it has arguments, you cannot run this from TCL. It will blow up right away. No harm, but no execution either. You also have to catalog a program in order to CALL it by another program. Be sure to understand the impact of cataloging globally (the default) vs. locally. We catalog everything locally on our box which simply builds a VOC pointer to the object code. This means that once it is cataloged once, we never need to catalog it again, but other accounts cannot see it w/o being cataloged in those other accounts too. Globally cataloged programs are available to anyone on the box (but can lead to confusion between different account w/ different versions of the same program). Both global and local have their advantages and disadvantages. JRI -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen Egerton Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:25 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] History.. John answered your sentence stack commands, so I'll take a shot at how to execute a program. Typically programs are stored in type 1 files, aka directories or folders, (terminology usually depends upon base operating system, *ix or windows). There's a corresponding file containing the object code. To execute the program, you would typically enter RUN filename programname at the command prompt. Then, there's cataloged code which is a method of storing object code so that it can be referenced by multiple users, (unless it's cataloged "locally"). You can also execute a program directly from its native host without entering UniData if you know where the binary executable lives. The last three are included only for some semblance of completeness, I believe that the answer you're looking for right now is paragraphs two and three. On 3/19/2013 11:17 AM, Sathya wrote: > Hi all,.. > > I'm pretty new to Unidata. just wanted to know the command for listing > the history of commands and how to select nth number of command. > > Also how to execute a unidata program. > > I know my questions will be very simple. But as I'm entirely new to > this, unable to find that anywhere :-( > > TIA, > Sathya V. > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History..
Sathya, There is a book called UNIX & Unidata by M. Taylor and S. Rees that has the best information I have been able to find on the basics of Unidata. It is for a UNIX environment, but I think it would be useful in a Windows environment too. There are probably other good books, but this is the best one I have found. ISBN 1-900176-00-9 I think I bought my copy from Jon Sisk. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History..
Let's not forget the all important VOC file. From the command prompt, usually a colon ":" you can type the RUN command as outlined below, but there are also stored paragraphs and the locally cataloged programs that are in the VOC file. You can see a lot of those with LIST VOC. There are also other types of entries in the VOC file so not everything that comes up from the LIST command is going to be executable. You can get a lot of the available commands by typing the command HELP UNIDATA or HELP UNIQUERY. Other help commands are HELP SQL and HELP UNIBASIC. The HELP command by itself has all this but it's kind of difficult to pull that information out of what you're given in just the HELP command. Folks here are very helpful and very knowledgeable. Welcome to the world of Multivalues. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen Egerton Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:25 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] History.. John answered your sentence stack commands, so I'll take a shot at how to execute a program. Typically programs are stored in type 1 files, aka directories or folders, (terminology usually depends upon base operating system, *ix or windows). There's a corresponding file containing the object code. To execute the program, you would typically enter RUN filename programname at the command prompt. Then, there's cataloged code which is a method of storing object code so that it can be referenced by multiple users, (unless it's cataloged "locally"). You can also execute a program directly from its native host without entering UniData if you know where the binary executable lives. The last three are included only for some semblance of completeness, I believe that the answer you're looking for right now is paragraphs two and three. On 3/19/2013 11:17 AM, Sathya wrote: > Hi all,.. > > I'm pretty new to Unidata. just wanted to know the command for listing > the history of commands and how to select nth number of command. > > Also how to execute a unidata program. > > I know my questions will be very simple. But as I'm entirely new to > this, unable to find that anywhere :-( > > TIA, > Sathya V. > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History..
John answered your sentence stack commands, so I'll take a shot at how to execute a program. Typically programs are stored in type 1 files, aka directories or folders, (terminology usually depends upon base operating system, *ix or windows). There's a corresponding file containing the object code. To execute the program, you would typically enter RUN filename programname at the command prompt. Then, there's cataloged code which is a method of storing object code so that it can be referenced by multiple users, (unless it's cataloged "locally"). You can also execute a program directly from its native host without entering UniData if you know where the binary executable lives. The last three are included only for some semblance of completeness, I believe that the answer you're looking for right now is paragraphs two and three. On 3/19/2013 11:17 AM, Sathya wrote: > Hi all,.. > > I'm pretty new to Unidata. just wanted to know the command for listing the > history of commands and how to select nth number of command. > > Also how to execute a unidata program. > > I know my questions will be very simple. But as I'm entirely new to this, > unable to find that anywhere :-( > > TIA, > Sathya V. > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] History..
Type: .L To list the past commands. .Xn To re-execute the nth command. .? For help JRI -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Sathya Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:17 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] History.. Hi all,.. I'm pretty new to Unidata. just wanted to know the command for listing the history of commands and how to select nth number of command. Also how to execute a unidata program. I know my questions will be very simple. But as I'm entirely new to this, unable to find that anywhere :-( TIA, Sathya V. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] History..
Hi all,.. I'm pretty new to Unidata. just wanted to know the command for listing the history of commands and how to select nth number of command. Also how to execute a unidata program. I know my questions will be very simple. But as I'm entirely new to this, unable to find that anywhere :-( TIA, Sathya V. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
