Re: [U2] [Windows]
OK so with the KeepAlive box checked in the Accuterm session, and with a Loop-On running in the session (on the remote Universe host) printing the time to my screen every five minutes The session was disconnected after three hours. So that's when the PC went to sleep -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] I'll try running a session overnight with a Loop-On and with Keepalive set and see what occurs. *I* think that it will disconnect anyway, but we'll see. -Original Message- From: David Taylor da...@sysmarkinfo.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Have you turned ON Keep-Alives in Accuterm? Dave Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Change your power settings in windows to not allow the PC to go into sleep mode. Enable monitor power-off and disk power-off only. I have never trusted suspend and resume on Windows. On 9/27/2012 12:11 PM, Wjhonson wrote: OK so with the KeepAlive box checked in the Accuterm session, and with a Loop-On running in the session (on the remote Universe host) printing the time to my screen every five minutes The session was disconnected after three hours. So that's when the PC went to sleep ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: glen.batche...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Mobile: http://m.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com 24-hour Automated Voice Response. Get order status and tracking information 24-hours a day from any touch-tone phone. Call now: 877.404.6165 [910.550.2220] (you will need your 6-digit order# and the ship-to postal code of that order) D U Txt? Get order and tracking info via SMS/Text. Add your mobile# to MyAccount to activate. Text your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 to get order status. Text track, space and your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 for latest tracking info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I'm not saying there is no solution. I'm saying we have 1500 PCs It doesn't make me giddy to think this is the default setting on newly installed PCs Nor that having it, makes telnet sessions self-destruct, perhaps in the middle of a nightly job for which they must absolutely *not* self-destruct :) Come to think of it, it explains two other issues we been having intermittently. This doesn't only affect one PC, it affects all of them :) Really our guys should visit every PC in the org, one-by-one, either virtually or in person to reset this. -Original Message- From: Glen Batchelor webmas...@all-spec.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:18 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Change your power settings in windows to not allow the PC to go into sleep mode. Enable monitor power-off and disk power-off only. I have never trusted suspend and resume on Windows. On 9/27/2012 12:11 PM, Wjhonson wrote: OK so with the KeepAlive box checked in the Accuterm session, and with a Loop-On running in the session (on the remote Universe host) printing the time to my screen every five minutes The session was disconnected after three hours. So that's when the PC went to sleep ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: glen.batche...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Mobile: http://m.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com 24-hour Automated Voice Response. Get order status and tracking information 24-hours a day from any touch-tone phone. Call now: 877.404.6165 [910.550.2220] (you will need your 6-digit order# and the ship-to postal code of that order) D U Txt? Get order and tracking info via SMS/Text. Add your mobile# to MyAccount to activate. Text your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 to get order status. Text track, space and your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 for latest tracking info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
We change the power settings and clean up program installs on every PC before we install it. Disk suspend has been problematic for us since Windows came out. There are central management tools that offer central and remote admin for PC settings such as these. However, you still have to touch each PC to install the client service so you might as well just fix the power settings if that's the only problem. :) On 9/27/2012 12:24 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I'm not saying there is no solution. I'm saying we have 1500 PCs It doesn't make me giddy to think this is the default setting on newly installed PCs Nor that having it, makes telnet sessions self-destruct, perhaps in the middle of a nightly job for which they must absolutely *not* self-destruct :) Come to think of it, it explains two other issues we been having intermittently. This doesn't only affect one PC, it affects all of them :) Really our guys should visit every PC in the org, one-by-one, either virtually or in person to reset this. -Original Message- From: Glen Batchelor webmas...@all-spec.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:18 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Change your power settings in windows to not allow the PC to go into sleep mode. Enable monitor power-off and disk power-off only. I have never trusted suspend and resume on Windows. On 9/27/2012 12:11 PM, Wjhonson wrote: OK so with the KeepAlive box checked in the Accuterm session, and with a Loop-On running in the session (on the remote Universe host) printing the time to my screen every five minutes The session was disconnected after three hours. So that's when the PC went to sleep ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: glen.batche...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Mobile: http://m.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com 24-hour Automated Voice Response. Get order status and tracking information 24-hours a day from any touch-tone phone. Call now: 877.404.6165 [910.550.2220] (you will need your 6-digit order# and the ship-to postal code of that order) D U Txt? Get order and tracking info via SMS/Text. Add your mobile# to MyAccount to activate. Text your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 to get order status. Text track, space and your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 for latest tracking info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
i would set it with a GPO instead of visiting each and every pc... On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I'm not saying there is no solution. I'm saying we have 1500 PCs It doesn't make me giddy to think this is the default setting on newly installed PCs Nor that having it, makes telnet sessions self-destruct, perhaps in the middle of a nightly job for which they must absolutely *not* self-destruct :) Come to think of it, it explains two other issues we been having intermittently. This doesn't only affect one PC, it affects all of them :) Really our guys should visit every PC in the org, one-by-one, either virtually or in person to reset this. -Original Message- From: Glen Batchelor webmas...@all-spec.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:18 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Change your power settings in windows to not allow the PC to go into sleep mode. Enable monitor power-off and disk power-off only. I have never trusted suspend and resume on Windows. On 9/27/2012 12:11 PM, Wjhonson wrote: OK so with the KeepAlive box checked in the Accuterm session, and with a Loop-On running in the session (on the remote Universe host) printing the time to my screen every five minutes The session was disconnected after three hours. So that's when the PC went to sleep ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: glen.batche...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Mobile: http://m.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com 24-hour Automated Voice Response. Get order status and tracking information 24-hours a day from any touch-tone phone. Call now: 877.404.6165 [910.550.2220] (you will need your 6-digit order# and the ship-to postal code of that order) D U Txt? Get order and tracking info via SMS/Text. Add your mobile# to MyAccount to activate. Text your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 to get order status. Text track, space and your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 for latest tracking info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I'll second this one. It's exactly what group policies are for. And it doesn't require loading anything on the workstations. Marc Harbeson wrote: i would set it with a GPO instead of visiting each and every pc... On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I'm not saying there is no solution. I'm saying we have 1500 PCs It doesn't make me giddy to think this is the default setting on newly installed PCs Nor that having it, makes telnet sessions self-destruct, perhaps in the middle of a nightly job for which they must absolutely *not* self-destruct :) Come to think of it, it explains two other issues we been having intermittently. This doesn't only affect one PC, it affects all of them :) Really our guys should visit every PC in the org, one-by-one, either virtually or in person to reset this. -Original Message- From: Glen Batchelor webmas...@all-spec.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:18 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Change your power settings in windows to not allow the PC to go into sleep mode. Enable monitor power-off and disk power-off only. I have never trusted suspend and resume on Windows. On 9/27/2012 12:11 PM, Wjhonson wrote: OK so with the KeepAlive box checked in the Accuterm session, and with a Loop-On running in the session (on the remote Universe host) printing the time to my screen every five minutes The session was disconnected after three hours. So that's when the PC went to sleep ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: glen.batche...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Mobile: http://m.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com 24-hour Automated Voice Response. Get order status and tracking information 24-hours a day from any touch-tone phone. Call now: 877.404.6165 [910.550.2220] (you will need your 6-digit order# and the ship-to postal code of that order) D U Txt? Get order and tracking info via SMS/Text. Add your mobile# to MyAccount to activate. Text your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 to get order status. Text track, space and your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 for latest tracking info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Will: I can confirm Gregor has identified the usual problem. This is a common problem and I have to ensure that all our network adapters are configured to __NOT__ Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power !! Simply get to the network adapter properties (via a lot of different ways) and uncheck the box next to the above statement. This is especially irritating with WiFi adapters. HTH, Bill Haskett - Original Message - *From:* gregor.sc...@pentanasolutions.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 9/26/2012 5:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] [Windows] You can adjust your network adaptor to stop the PC Power Management facility from turning it off. This should alleviate this problem for you. Run the Device Manager applet in the control panel, select the Network Adapters then select the appropriate adaptor. Right-click and select the Properties option. On Vista, there is a Power Management tab that shows a tick-box that indicates if the Power Management can turn the power off for the adaptor. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012 7:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I
Re: [U2] [Windows]
You might try adding a TCP timed wait delay on the server - I usually use 5 minutes. See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938217.aspx for Windows. Unix boxes vary but have a similar type of parameter tucked in the TCP configuration parameters. Sometimes they are card or TCP connection specific. Sometimes they are system wide. regards JayJay Sent from my iPad On 27 Sep 2012, at 03:05, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com wrote: I'll preface this by saying I dealt with this issue a Long time ago so my memory on the matter has faded and my notes here could be invalid... I don't believe that you can trust that this Device Manager setting will be present. Many client PCs are from Dell or other build-to-order companies that install whatever cheap components match their spec. Some old/cheap NICs don't support the power management feature, and some manufacturers don't update their drivers to support the power management console. The net result is that you have a client PC somewhere on the LAN or WAN that goes to sleep and zombie's out a server process. You may or may not be able to fix that PC even if you identify it. At worst you may need to replace the NIC and/or it's driver. Back to my post a couple hours ago, the right solution is to ensure the telnet _Service_ is not affected by a client that goes silent. This is what prompted Wil to start this discussion when he asked how to identify a non-logged-in client attached to the telnet service. And that solution can only be provided by Rocket Software. T From: Bob Rasmussen Aha, there it is! And in Windows 7 also. Here's some MS info on this subject: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee617165(v=ws.10).aspx Gregor Scott wrote: You can adjust your network adaptor to stop the PC Power Management facility from turning it off. This should alleviate this problem for you. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I can confirm that having a PC go to sleep can disrupt a telnet session. My experience, and I'm going WAY back here, is that sometimes (on some machines) going to sleep will disrupt a network connection, and sometimes it won't. This may have to do with settings in advanced options under the power configuration, namely whether the network adapter powers down. It might even depend on the network adapter hardware, and it might depend on the version of Windows. More factors to check... On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Wjhonson wrote: Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Have you turned ON Keep-Alives in Accuterm? Dave Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I think the real concern that Wil brings up is about what happens to these connections in the DBMS at both the socket level and at the port/session/license level. From: Bob Rasmussen I can confirm that having a PC go to sleep can disrupt a telnet session. My experience, and I'm going WAY back here, is that sometimes (on some machines) going to sleep will disrupt a network connection, and sometimes it won't. ... On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Wjhonson wrote: Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
But the issue isn't that the process is idle. The process is actually working. It's that Windows goes to sleep, not that Universe thinks my process is idle, or that Accuterm does... If Windows won't recognize that data coming *to* the screen means something is good to stay awake, than I don't see why it would think that invisible nudges going *out* from Accuterm should keep it awake At any rate, it killed the session after two minutes That seems awful fast for it to be anything other than I described. -Original Message- From: David Taylor da...@sysmarkinfo.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Have you turned ON Keep-Alives in Accuterm? Dave Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http
Re: [U2] [Windows]
You can adjust your network adaptor to stop the PC Power Management facility from turning it off. This should alleviate this problem for you. Run the Device Manager applet in the control panel, select the Network Adapters then select the appropriate adaptor. Right-click and select the Properties option. On Vista, there is a Power Management tab that shows a tick-box that indicates if the Power Management can turn the power off for the adaptor. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012 7:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Aha, there it is! And in Windows 7 also. Here's some MS info on this subject: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee617165(v=ws.10).aspx On Thu, 27 Sep 2012, Gregor Scott wrote: You can adjust your network adaptor to stop the PC Power Management facility from turning it off. This should alleviate this problem for you. Run the Device Manager applet in the control panel, select the Network Adapters then select the appropriate adaptor. Right-click and select the Properties option. On Vista, there is a Power Management tab that shows a tick-box that indicates if the Power Management can turn the power off for the adaptor. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012 7:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I'll try running a session overnight with a Loop-On and with Keepalive set and see what occurs. *I* think that it will disconnect anyway, but we'll see. -Original Message- From: David Taylor da...@sysmarkinfo.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Have you turned ON Keep-Alives in Accuterm? Dave Update on this case. If you set the sleep mode on your local PC such that it goes to sleep (power save), say while you are at lunch, this will apparently disconnect Universe telnet sessions. I tested this on my own PC, with ALL OTHER programs not running, except Accuterm connected to Universe which from the command prompt was doing a Loop-On Time with a five minute pause between loops. I set the sleep mode to go to sleep in one minute (typically you might have 15 minutes, 30 minutes or an hour). When it went to sleep, or rather when I woke it up ten minutes or so later, my session had been disconnected. This may explain not one, but *two* issues we are having here. Zombie sessions where the person never does login and yet the telnet process keeps running forever (which have apparentlydisappeared on Universe 11), and users getting disconnected while in records (because they went to lunch apparently). So the moral of the story is, set your sleep mode to wait at *least* an hour before going to sleep. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I'll preface this by saying I dealt with this issue a Long time ago so my memory on the matter has faded and my notes here could be invalid... I don't believe that you can trust that this Device Manager setting will be present. Many client PCs are from Dell or other build-to-order companies that install whatever cheap components match their spec. Some old/cheap NICs don't support the power management feature, and some manufacturers don't update their drivers to support the power management console. The net result is that you have a client PC somewhere on the LAN or WAN that goes to sleep and zombie's out a server process. You may or may not be able to fix that PC even if you identify it. At worst you may need to replace the NIC and/or it's driver. Back to my post a couple hours ago, the right solution is to ensure the telnet _Service_ is not affected by a client that goes silent. This is what prompted Wil to start this discussion when he asked how to identify a non-logged-in client attached to the telnet service. And that solution can only be provided by Rocket Software. T From: Bob Rasmussen Aha, there it is! And in Windows 7 also. Here's some MS info on this subject: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee617165(v=ws.10).aspx Gregor Scott wrote: You can adjust your network adaptor to stop the PC Power Management facility from turning it off. This should alleviate this problem for you. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Update on this case. We recently upgraded our main server to Universe 11, and it's also a virtual server The problem with these zombie telnet sessions appears to have gone bye-bye. I haven't seen any in nine days, and they used to appear one to three times every day. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions. The server is running Universe on Windows, and our users *should* be running AccuTerm However there is no requirement to run Accuterm as, as I understand it, the tl_service.exe will respond to any request for a telnet session to be opened. Doesn't have to be Accuterm. Doesn't have to be a human. I'm suspicious that there isn't some *other* type of requestor out there somewhere, trying to open a session and then leaving it hang. That could explain the failure to log in if this other something isn't even a human operator, but some kind of automated something. I had hoped I could get come kind of clue by looking at *when* these things are occurring and so Windows Process Explorer was loaded, which at least will tell us the *time* each process was created. But the times seem kinda random, one even occurring at 2 AM (!) -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 8:57 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Universe on Windows / with Accuterm -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 7:28 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] I suspect the database does not have device licensing. Check with confprod or unregen -z. The shell used (on unix) would be either uvdls or udtts. The client software would need to support it as well. wIntegrate, Dynamic Connect or SBClient usually. Regards JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 17:57, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This system entry is empty. -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] If you are using device licensing, SYSTEM(51) has some useful information. Regards. JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 14:59, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the tl_service.exe not the actual pid of the tl_server.exe job. So every telnet session, on the -o reports the *same* pid. But in the tasklist of course they each have different pids. So this doesn't solve the issue either. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] and -o to let you link it with the pid. Sent from my iPad On 6 Sep 2012, at 21:04, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman
Re: [U2] [Windows]
What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved. As I mentioned before, you probably didn't read this one, when you start a telnet client it appears in the tasklist In this case, it's tl_server.exe which is Rocket's special telnet server However IF you do *not* login on that telnet server, then no corresponding entry is made in the netstat table, or perhaps one is made and then nulled out again. At the point you want to ask, well what are the ip numbers of these connections, you have 62 tl_server entries and 61 (repeat 61, not 62) netstat entries. That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. So netstat is apparently only showing live or active connections or whatever you might call it, whereas the windows server is holding on to one or more *extra* zombies. Yes you can kill those *extra* tl_server.exe sessions, but really it would be nice to know what activated them. I killed all the zombies last week, and now I'm back up to about six extra tl_server sessions without corresponding netstat entries -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] What's the real goal here? To get the hostname of any random telnet client? You have the information you need to do that. If nothing else you can get the IP address and someone can manually chase down who's connecting in. Block rogue connections at the firewall. I mean, at this point you're going around in circles and the detail you're providing is irrelevant to the task. What still needs to be resolved? You're right. It doesn't matter what client program is being used as long as they come in via the standard telnet port and we don't care what time of night someone is connecting in. Why can't this thread be marked RESOLVED? T From: Wjhonson Oops I need to modify my message about these zombie tl_server.exe Windows sessions... [huge snip of mostly group-generated footers] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I recommend that you use the script that I provided which uses the same base table from which the Task Manager draws its data. If that's not working then you have a permissions issue. Fix that problem. Run as administrator or check other permissions issues. But the fact that the script does not return data to you does not mean it's the wrong solution. It's the right solution - I ran through it before posting. This is no longer a U2 issue. Another factor here. You're saying a connection seems to come in and go out so fast that netstat doesn't register it. I Wish that were the case in every other situation. Processes go through various connectivity states including CONNECTING, ESTABLISHED and TIMED_OUT. Many processes hold in a TIMED_OUT or other state for long after a connection is broken. This situation has confused many developers and admins over many years. That your connections seem to go from an Unconnected state to invisible while still holding on is extremely unusual - and that might be worth an enquiry to a networking forum. You don't need to mention Universe - it's just another telnet server. More likely, I'm guessing you're not using the right options on your commands, or perhaps running without the right permissions to get the data you need even from netstat. Personally I'd get SysInternals tools (now Microsoft and still free) or something like WireShark, and get your info like that. This should be fairly easy to resolve - though of course the ones we think are easy are usually not... T From: Wjhonson No that's wrong. So far none of the solutions presented has given me the IP or hostname of the particular telnet clients involved That one extra zombie entry in the tasklist, is not present in the netstat output. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
If you have device licensing and Accuterm have the right DLLs, then SYSTEM(51) should be populated. If not, then it will be blank. Regards JayJay Sent from my iPad On 8 Sep 2012, at 16:57, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Universe on Windows / with Accuterm -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 7:28 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] I suspect the database does not have device licensing. Check with confprod or unregen -z. The shell used (on unix) would be either uvdls or udtts. The client software would need to support it as well. wIntegrate, Dynamic Connect or SBClient usually. Regards JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 17:57, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This system entry is empty. -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] If you are using device licensing, SYSTEM(51) has some useful information. Regards. JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 14:59, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the tl_service.exe not the actual pid of the tl_server.exe job. So every telnet session, on the -o reports the *same* pid. But in the tasklist of course they each have different pids. So this doesn't solve the issue either. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] and -o to let you link it with the pid. Sent from my iPad On 6 Sep 2012, at 21:04, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I suspect the database does not have device licensing. Check with confprod or unregen -z. The shell used (on unix) would be either uvdls or udtts. The client software would need to support it as well. wIntegrate, Dynamic Connect or SBClient usually. Regards JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 17:57, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This system entry is empty. -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] If you are using device licensing, SYSTEM(51) has some useful information. Regards. JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 14:59, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the tl_service.exe not the actual pid of the tl_server.exe job. So every telnet session, on the -o reports the *same* pid. But in the tasklist of course they each have different pids. So this doesn't solve the issue either. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] and -o to let you link it with the pid. Sent from my iPad On 6 Sep 2012, at 21:04, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Universe on Windows / with Accuterm -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 7:28 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] I suspect the database does not have device licensing. Check with confprod or unregen -z. The shell used (on unix) would be either uvdls or udtts. The client software would need to support it as well. wIntegrate, Dynamic Connect or SBClient usually. Regards JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 17:57, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This system entry is empty. -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] If you are using device licensing, SYSTEM(51) has some useful information. Regards. JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 14:59, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the tl_service.exe not the actual pid of the tl_server.exe job. So every telnet session, on the -o reports the *same* pid. But in the tasklist of course they each have different pids. So this doesn't solve the issue either. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] and -o to let you link it with the pid. Sent from my iPad On 6 Sep 2012, at 21:04, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Mighty impressive answer nevertheless... awesome! On 7 September 2012 11:47, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com wrote: Here are a number of ways to link a telnet client into UV back to its respective hostname. There's some redundancy here as not all commands work everywhere. OK, so as I understand the challenge, you got the inbound IP using System(42) (which of course should reveal the answer to life, the universe, and everything), and now you want the hostname of that PC. You can try all of the commands below and derive the solution from any command that returns valid data. You can't create a generic solution and guarantee success because the result of each command is dependent on site-specific configurations. [snip] ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
you could also do a reverse DNS (if its setup). On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I've discovered, for useful content on this thread, that using SYSTEM(42) I can return my IP address, and then, on the SERVER (doing DOS from Universe TCl command line) I can then use the tracert command to associate that IP address back to my LOCAL (client!!!) PC who is doing the telnet. That is, each telnet knows the IP address from SYSTEM(42) but you cannot get the hostname from that, and there doesn't appear to be any way to ask the SERVER (not the CLIENT), what that IP address means in terms of who is ASKING (not responding). I know people who do this on a SINGLE pc get wildly confused by actual networked installs. At any rate, I still don't know how you get from the local information to the PID outside of having a connected universe process, and querying from inside universe. There must be a way to make windows do this, but I haven't quite hit it yet. People who are googling and spouting off the first answer they find, need not respond :)~ -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] As a professional who works (a lot) with MultiValued systems (many of them U2), I really like the technical content that I run into on here, and contribute when I think I have something useful to say. I get really put out with the personal attacks, but choose generally not to respond. I really, really hate flame wars... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 4:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows] (SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED)
Worse, I know that on UniData, the IP address 'reported' back to the server is simply the first address from the IPCONFIG -- even if that address is non-routable to the server! Very annoying issue I've submitted to Rocket (actually, it was IBM at the time!) ... Not yet fixed to my knowledge. David W. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of HENDERSON MIKE, MR Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:08 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] (SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED) Great input, Tony. But be warned WJ, if your client PCs are external to your network, then Private Addressing and NAT may make this whole exercise nugatory. For example, if your host network / server is on your 10.x.y.z (or 192.168.a.b) and your remote client is on his 10.x.y.y (or 192.168.a.c), then you may end up resolving the name for the remote client as being whatever has 10.x.y.y (or 192.168.a.c) assigned on its local network. IPv4 addresses are legitimately non-unique. Regards Mike -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 1:48 p.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Here are a number of ways to link a telnet client into UV back to its respective hostname. There's some redundancy here as not all commands work everywhere. [snip] I'm sure none of that was helpful to WJ who will say no, that's not it at all, what I really want is... but I trust it will benefit someone else. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users The information contained in this Internet Email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information, but not necessarily the official views or opinions of the New Zealand Defence Force. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. If you have received this message in error, please Email or telephone the sender immediately. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the tl_service.exe not the actual pid of the tl_server.exe job. So every telnet session, on the -o reports the *same* pid. But in the tasklist of course they each have different pids. So this doesn't solve the issue either. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] and -o to let you link it with the pid. Sent from my iPad On 6 Sep 2012, at 21:04, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
The server runs Universe, the clients telnet to that server, which responds Login, Password. So far pretty normal. Once you are *in* Universe, you can DOS and type Tasklist for example, where you get a list of all running tasks *on* *the* *server* not on your local PC of course. So far we're on the same page right? Now each of those Tasks has a process id (PID), the telnet ones (providing that your only telnet listener is of course Universe) *all* match up to running Universe jobs in the LISTU output. But, and here's the ol but. IF the user does NOT login, you will NOT see an entry in the LISTU, BUT the tasklist will STILL report a listening telnet session. How can you tell what device, pc, user, ip, etc is *trying* to telnet before they have successfully logged into Universe ? That's the core problem layed out more clearly perhaps. How can you tell, when all the tasklist gives you is the PID? Somewhere there must be a table tying the PID to it's listener but where and what -Original Message- From: doug chanco d...@chancofamily.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] I find this thread interesting (now that we have the name calling and such out of the way, I am taking no sides just saying) having said that I am still trying to fully understand what you are trying to accomplish. I understand (I think) that you have a system (running universe on windows) and you want to know the IP address of the system(s) connecting to your system running universe from another system? If I am not far off base, this would be pretty easy in linux using iptables (yeah I know) anyway I am not sure why you could not modify the windows firewall rules to record telnet connections, I have done this using iptables but never in windows, I may play around with it as I have a windows 2003 server I could toy around with (let me know if this is what your trying to accomplish or if I am way off base) Dougc -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:50 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] I've discovered, for useful content on this thread, that using SYSTEM(42) I can return my IP address, and then, on the SERVER (doing DOS from Universe TCl command line) I can then use the tracert command to associate that IP address back to my LOCAL (client!!!) PC who is doing the telnet. That is, each telnet knows the IP address from SYSTEM(42) but you cannot get the hostname from that, and there doesn't appear to be any way to ask the SERVER (not the CLIENT), what that IP address means in terms of who is ASKING (not responding). I know people who do this on a SINGLE pc get wildly confused by actual networked installs. At any rate, I still don't know how you get from the local information to the PID outside of having a connected universe process, and querying from inside universe. There must be a way to make windows do this, but I haven't quite hit it yet. People who are googling and spouting off the first answer they find, need not respond :)~ -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] As a professional who works (a lot) with MultiValued systems (many of them U2), I really like the technical content that I run into on here, and contribute when I think I have something useful to say. I get really put out with the personal attacks, but choose generally not to respond. I really, really hate flame wars... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 4:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC
Re: [U2] [Windows]
nslookup returns some kind of error I'm not at that pc right now but at any rate, from what I gather this doesn't resolve to *a* device just to that entire company, site, sector or whatever it's called like joescompany.com not to joes PC on this desktop, versus joes pc across the room. I think the PING is the right solution, until I find a counter example That gives me the hostname of each pc apparently (or whatever that *name* is called, machine name, PC name, desk name, location name, etc) This isn't the whole solution yet, but maybe its a piece. -Original Message- From: Marc Harbeson marc.harbe...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:11 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] you could also do a reverse DNS (if its setup). On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I've discovered, for useful content on this thread, that using SYSTEM(42) I can return my IP address, and then, on the SERVER (doing DOS from Universe TCl command line) I can then use the tracert command to associate that IP address back to my LOCAL (client!!!) PC who is doing the telnet. That is, each telnet knows the IP address from SYSTEM(42) but you cannot get the hostname from that, and there doesn't appear to be any way to ask the SERVER (not the CLIENT), what that IP address means in terms of who is ASKING (not responding). I know people who do this on a SINGLE pc get wildly confused by actual networked installs. At any rate, I still don't know how you get from the local information to the PID outside of having a connected universe process, and querying from inside universe. There must be a way to make windows do this, but I haven't quite hit it yet. People who are googling and spouting off the first answer they find, need not respond :)~ -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] As a professional who works (a lot) with MultiValued systems (many of them U2), I really like the technical content that I run into on here, and contribute when I think I have something useful to say. I get really put out with the personal attacks, but choose generally not to respond. I really, really hate flame wars... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 4:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
If you are using device licensing, SYSTEM(51) has some useful information. Regards. JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 14:59, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the tl_service.exe not the actual pid of the tl_server.exe job. So every telnet session, on the -o reports the *same* pid. But in the tasklist of course they each have different pids. So this doesn't solve the issue either. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] and -o to let you link it with the pid. Sent from my iPad On 6 Sep 2012, at 21:04, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
This system entry is empty. -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] If you are using device licensing, SYSTEM(51) has some useful information. Regards. JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 14:59, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the tl_service.exe not the actual pid of the tl_server.exe job. So every telnet session, on the -o reports the *same* pid. But in the tasklist of course they each have different pids. So this doesn't solve the issue either. -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] and -o to let you link it with the pid. Sent from my iPad On 6 Sep 2012, at 21:04, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
From: Wjhonson How can you tell what device, pc, user, ip, etc is *trying* to telnet before they have successfully logged into Universe ? That's the core problem layed out more clearly perhaps. The answer to this is in my detailed post. Since the users aren't logged-in, LISTU won't show the PIDs. So How can you tell, when all the tasklist gives you is the PID? Somewhere there must be a table tying the PID to it's listener but where and what Use the script I provided. It queries the process table to get the PIDs and IP addresses of clients running tl_server.exe. That's the information you want. With that, use the other methods to get the hostnames. Oh, and yes, you are Quite welcome. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
The cscript below echos to the screen the list of PIDs only. Nothing else. So it doesn't get any closer to solving the problem. -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Here are a number of ways to link a telnet client into UV back to its respective hostname. There's some redundancy here as not all commands work everywhere. OK, so as I understand the challenge, you got the inbound IP using System(42) (which of course should reveal the answer to life, the universe, and everything), and now you want the hostname of that PC. You can try all of the commands below and derive the solution from any command that returns valid data. You can't create a generic solution and guarantee success because the result of each command is dependent on site-specific configurations. There's NBTSTAT which requires NetBIOS but provides one vector to your solution. nbtstat -a 192.168.1.999 There's also PING: ping -a -n 1 192.168.1.999 This doesn't require DNS but I believe it does require WINS, and isn't always effective. If the IP is resolved the first non-blank line will have the hostname. There's also NSLOOKUP: nslookup 192.168.1.999 This checks your DNS, but if you're running DHCP it's not going to resolve. With a little .NET code you can also use the System.Net.Dns.GetHostByAddress method, then Execute SH to that routine with the IP. Now, if you are Not doing this from within Universe, you don't have an IP from System(42), so from what I gather you want to get the IP from a PID that represents a telnet client. NETSTAT -A will get you the hostnames and NETSTAT -N will get you the IP addresses. You can link those up using the client socket - while that's likely to be unique there's no guarantee. NETSTAT -O will get you the PID of the UV telnet server, not the client, with the hostname NETSTAT -ON will get you the server PID with the IP address. You can use 'TASKLIST /V | FIND tl_server ' to get the PIDs of clients that are telnetted into the UV server. Those PIDs agree with what you see in a LISTU and with the NETSTAT -O commands above. Change the find to tl_service to get the PID of the service. By matching the UV telnet service to a PID, the PID to an IP address or hostname, and the hostname to processes that are telnetted in, you sort of have a path to all of the info you need. Another way to link up the PID with the IP address for the tl_server is to execute the following script (join lines, intentionally broken to prevent wrapping): strComputer = . Set objWMIService = GetObject(winmgmts:\\ strComputer \root\cimv2) Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery( Select * from Win32_Process Where NAME=tl_server.exe) For Each objItem in colItems Wscript.Echo objItem.ProcessId , objItem.CommandLine Next Save that into file uvclients.vbs. Then from the command line: cscript uvclients.vbs //nologo The output shows the PID from LISTU and the related IP address. (Note, you need scripting capability on the PC.) You can parse on that output if required once again to get the hostname from the IP. I'm sure none of that was helpful to WJ who will say no, that's not it at all, what I really want is... but I trust it will benefit someone else. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Here are a number of ways to link a telnet client into UV back to its respective hostname. There's some redundancy here as not all commands work everywhere. OK, so as I understand the challenge, you got the inbound IP using System(42) (which of course should reveal the answer to life, the universe, and everything), and now you want the hostname of that PC. You can try all of the commands below and derive the solution from any command that returns valid data. You can't create a generic solution and guarantee success because the result of each command is dependent on site-specific configurations. There's NBTSTAT which requires NetBIOS but provides one vector to your solution. nbtstat -a 192.168.1.999 There's also PING: ping -a -n 1 192.168.1.999 This doesn't require DNS but I believe it does require WINS, and isn't always effective. If the IP is resolved the first non-blank line will have the hostname. There's also NSLOOKUP: nslookup 192.168.1.999 This checks your DNS, but if you're running DHCP it's not going to resolve. With a little .NET code you can also use
Re: [U2] [Windows]
From: Wjhonson The cscript below echos to the screen the list of PIDs only. Nothing else. So it doesn't get any closer to solving the problem. Now you're facing a permissions issue or some other system-specific detail. I wouldn't have posted without testing and on my system it works. You need to take that as a base and build upon it. In the select clause: (Select * from Win32_Process Where NAME=tl_server.exe) Simplify that to: (Select * from Win32_Process) That will give you more info than you want, but from there you can refine the output with find: cscript uvclients.vbs //nologo | find tl_ Other things to check: 1) Are you sure you're running this on your UV server? 2) Do you have a client telnetted into the local server when you run this? 3) Rather than shelling out to run from UV, try running from a DOS window. Your UV permissions are almost certainly different. 4) Start the DOS window with Administrator permissions. 5) Consider that your specific OS is does not allow this specific WMI functionality. I don't believe you mentioned your specific OS (Win7Pro? XP? Win2003Server? Win8?) Also remember that I said the script is just one of a few resources. If that's not working for you, skip it. NETSTAT tells you the port that a client is connected to on the local system. Just look for any process that is ESTABLISHED to 127.0.0.1:23 ...substitute your UV Telnet Server IP:port. --local server--\/ --remote client -- \/ TCP127.0.0.1:21023 192.168.1.107:1108 ESTABLISHED TCP127.0.0.1:21023 192.168.1.115:7166 ESTABLISHED From TonyG I'm sure none of that was helpful to WJ who will say no, that's not it at all, what I really want is... but I trust it will benefit someone else. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
With the proper security settings you could also see it in the windows event log. Not sure about how to query the Universe telnet server, in UniData there are a number of commands that are actually executables that you can run from a command prompt - like listuser. hth Colin -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
and -o to let you link it with the pid. Sent from my iPad On 6 Sep 2012, at 21:04, Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote: On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
yes there is: NETSTAT [-a] [-b] [-e] [-f] [-n] [-o] [-p proto] [-r] [-s] [-t] [interval] -aDisplays all connections and listening ports. -bDisplays the executable involved in creating each connection or listening port. In some cases well-known executables host multiple independent components, and in these cases the sequence of components involved in creating the connection or listening port is displayed. In this case the executable name is in [] at the bottom, on top is the component it called, and so forth until TCP/IP was reached. Note that this option can be time-consuming and will fail unless you have sufficient permissions. -eDisplays Ethernet statistics. This may be combined with the -s option. -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -nDisplays addresses and port numbers in numerical form. -oDisplays the owning process ID associated with each connection. -p proto Shows connections for the protocol specified by proto; proto may be any of: TCP, UDP, TCPv6, or UDPv6. If used with the -s option to display per-protocol statistics, proto may be any of: IP, IPv6, ICMP, ICMPv6, TCP, TCPv6, UDP, or UDPv6. -rDisplays the routing table. -sDisplays per-protocol statistics. By default, statistics are shown for IP, IPv6, ICMP, ICMPv6, TCP, TCPv6, UDP, and UDPv6; the -p option may be used to specify a subset of the default. -tDisplays the current connection offload state. interval Redisplays selected statistics, pausing interval seconds between each display. Press CTRL+C to stop redisplaying statistics. If omitted, netstat will print the current configuration information once. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Not client. Server. The command that will associate each requesting* client to its *server* process, on the *server* Not on the client. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
ONLY for the client side NOT for the server side :) -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
It's possible the server is not Windows 7 -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] ONLY for the client side NOT for the server side :) -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] On Windows 7, netstat -help shows this: -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 1:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
And apparently all the telnet sessions from the server side, are all children hanging off the tl_service.exe process. That's why the netstat PID's don't line up *Slaps forehead* geez louise ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Sitting back and just watching it happen this time. Have you guys realized yet that he's doing 'that thing' again? T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
That thing where I ask what I perceive to be a simple question, and Tony gets all bent out of shape by it. What the exact issue here Tony? This is a REAL problem, I'm REALLY having :) So what's your deal -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Sitting back and just watching it happen this time. Have you guys realized yet that he's doing 'that thing' again? T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
As a professional who works (a lot) with MultiValued systems (many of them U2), I really like the technical content that I run into on here, and contribute when I think I have something useful to say. I get really put out with the personal attacks, but choose generally not to respond. I really, really hate flame wars... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 4:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I've discovered, for useful content on this thread, that using SYSTEM(42) I can return my IP address, and then, on the SERVER (doing DOS from Universe TCl command line) I can then use the tracert command to associate that IP address back to my LOCAL (client!!!) PC who is doing the telnet. That is, each telnet knows the IP address from SYSTEM(42) but you cannot get the hostname from that, and there doesn't appear to be any way to ask the SERVER (not the CLIENT), what that IP address means in terms of who is ASKING (not responding). I know people who do this on a SINGLE pc get wildly confused by actual networked installs. At any rate, I still don't know how you get from the local information to the PID outside of having a connected universe process, and querying from inside universe. There must be a way to make windows do this, but I haven't quite hit it yet. People who are googling and spouting off the first answer they find, need not respond :)~ -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] As a professional who works (a lot) with MultiValued systems (many of them U2), I really like the technical content that I run into on here, and contribute when I think I have something useful to say. I get really put out with the personal attacks, but choose generally not to respond. I really, really hate flame wars... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 4:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Will, Please take this constructively: I'm not really sure what an asshat is, but frequently you seem to fit the bill. A forum where unpleasant remarks are frequently in use takes seriousness away from this useful tool we all have, and might discourage what I believe we all want, that being more participants. A lesson in manners would probably help you both personally and professionally. It's a shame you choose this unpleasant attitude, because frequently your contributions are interesting, but because of the way you express yourself, many choose to abstain. Regards, Marc -Mensaje original- De: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] En nombre de Wjhonson Enviado el: jueves, 06 de septiembre de 2012 20:12 Para: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Asunto: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
So you chose to respond to me the victim, instead of Jeff the perpetrator. Very curious isn't that? Would that be a typical reaction you think, to blame the victim for someone abusing them? -Original Message- From: Marc A Hilbert mhilb...@ppcsoftware.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Will, Please take this constructively: I'm not really sure what an asshat is, but frequently you seem to fit the bill. A forum where unpleasant remarks are frequently in use takes seriousness away from this useful tool we all have, and might discourage what I believe we all want, that being more participants. A lesson in manners would probably help you both personally and professionally. It's a shame you choose this unpleasant attitude, because frequently your contributions are interesting, but because of the way you express yourself, many choose to abstain. Regards, Marc -Mensaje original- De: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] En nombre de Wjhonson Enviado el: jueves, 06 de septiembre de 2012 20:12 Para: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Asunto: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Ignoring the rabble, I've discovered curiously that you can have telnet sessions started on the server, but then apparently abandoned. They will appear in the DOS tasklist command (on the server), but yet not appear in the DOS netstat command (on the server). I suppose this means they are not actually connected to any external device. I was hopeful I would at least get the IP address of with what they were trying to talk. I wonder how this could possibly occur. -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:50 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] I've discovered, for useful content on this thread, that using SYSTEM(42) I can return my IP address, and then, on the SERVER (doing DOS from Universe TCl command line) I can then use the tracert command to associate that IP address back to my LOCAL (client!!!) PC who is doing the telnet. That is, each telnet knows the IP address from SYSTEM(42) but you cannot get the hostname from that, and there doesn't appear to be any way to ask the SERVER (not the CLIENT), what that IP address means in terms of who is ASKING (not responding). I know people who do this on a SINGLE pc get wildly confused by actual networked installs. At any rate, I still don't know how you get from the local information to the PID outside of having a connected universe process, and querying from inside universe. There must be a way to make windows do this, but I haven't quite hit it yet. People who are googling and spouting off the first answer they find, need not respond :)~ -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] As a professional who works (a lot) with MultiValued systems (many of them U2), I really like the technical content that I run into on here, and contribute when I think I have something useful to say. I get really put out with the personal attacks, but choose generally not to respond. I really, really hate flame wars... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 4:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Or maybe there isn't No f below Jeff Displays protocol statistics and current TCP/IP network connections. NETSTAT [-a] [-b] [-e] [-n] [-o] [-p proto] [-r] [-s] [-t] [-v] [interval] -aDisplays all connections and listening ports. -bDisplays the executable involved in creating each connection or listening port. In some cases well-known executables host multiple independent components, and in these cases the sequence of components involved in creating the connection or listening port is displayed. In this case the executable name is in [] at the bottom, on top is the component it called, and so forth until TCP/IP was reached. Note that this option can be time-consuming and will fail unless you have sufficient permissions. -eDisplays Ethernet statistics. This may be combined with the -s option. -nDisplays addresses and port numbers in numerical form. -oDisplays the owning process ID associated with each connection. -p proto Shows connections for the protocol specified by proto; proto may be any of: TCP, UDP, TCPv6, or UDPv6. If used with the -s option to display per-protocol statistics, proto may be any of: IP, IPv6, ICMP, ICMPv6, TCP, TCPv6, UDP, or UDPv6. -rDisplays the routing table. -sDisplays per-protocol statistics. By default, statistics are shown for IP, IPv6, ICMP, ICMPv6, TCP, TCPv6, UDP, and UDPv6; the -p option may be used to specify a subset of the default. -tDisplays the current connection offload state. -vWhen used in conjunction with -b, will display sequence of components involved in creating the connection or listening port for all executables. interval Redisplays selected statistics, pausing interval seconds between each display. Press CTRL+C to stop redisplaying statistics. If omitted, netstat will print the current configuration information once. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] yes there is: NETSTAT [-a] [-b] [-e] [-f] [-n] [-o] [-p proto] [-r] [-s] [-t] [interval] -aDisplays all connections and listening ports. -bDisplays the executable involved in creating each connection or listening port. In some cases well-known executables host multiple independent components, and in these cases the sequence of components involved in creating the connection or listening port is displayed. In this case the executable name is in [] at the bottom, on top is the component it called, and so forth until TCP/IP was reached. Note that this option can be time-consuming and will fail unless you have sufficient permissions. -eDisplays Ethernet statistics. This may be combined with the -s option. -fDisplays Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDN) for foreign addresses. -nDisplays addresses and port numbers in numerical form. -oDisplays the owning process ID associated with each connection. -p proto Shows connections for the protocol specified by proto; proto may be any of: TCP, UDP, TCPv6, or UDPv6. If used with the -s option to display per-protocol statistics, proto may be any of: IP, IPv6, ICMP, ICMPv6, TCP, TCPv6, UDP, or UDPv6. -rDisplays the routing table. -sDisplays per-protocol statistics. By default, statistics are shown for IP, IPv6, ICMP, ICMPv6, TCP, TCPv6, UDP, and UDPv6; the -p option may be used to specify a subset of the default. -tDisplays the current connection offload state. interval Redisplays selected statistics, pausing interval seconds between each display. Press CTRL+C to stop redisplaying statistics. If omitted, netstat will print the current configuration information once. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way
Re: [U2] [Windows]
Here are a number of ways to link a telnet client into UV back to its respective hostname. There's some redundancy here as not all commands work everywhere. OK, so as I understand the challenge, you got the inbound IP using System(42) (which of course should reveal the answer to life, the universe, and everything), and now you want the hostname of that PC. You can try all of the commands below and derive the solution from any command that returns valid data. You can't create a generic solution and guarantee success because the result of each command is dependent on site-specific configurations. There's NBTSTAT which requires NetBIOS but provides one vector to your solution. nbtstat -a 192.168.1.999 There's also PING: ping -a -n 1 192.168.1.999 This doesn't require DNS but I believe it does require WINS, and isn't always effective. If the IP is resolved the first non-blank line will have the hostname. There's also NSLOOKUP: nslookup 192.168.1.999 This checks your DNS, but if you're running DHCP it's not going to resolve. With a little .NET code you can also use the System.Net.Dns.GetHostByAddress method, then Execute SH to that routine with the IP. Now, if you are Not doing this from within Universe, you don't have an IP from System(42), so from what I gather you want to get the IP from a PID that represents a telnet client. NETSTAT -A will get you the hostnames and NETSTAT -N will get you the IP addresses. You can link those up using the client socket - while that's likely to be unique there's no guarantee. NETSTAT -O will get you the PID of the UV telnet server, not the client, with the hostname NETSTAT -ON will get you the server PID with the IP address. You can use 'TASKLIST /V | FIND tl_server ' to get the PIDs of clients that are telnetted into the UV server. Those PIDs agree with what you see in a LISTU and with the NETSTAT -O commands above. Change the find to tl_service to get the PID of the service. By matching the UV telnet service to a PID, the PID to an IP address or hostname, and the hostname to processes that are telnetted in, you sort of have a path to all of the info you need. Another way to link up the PID with the IP address for the tl_server is to execute the following script (join lines, intentionally broken to prevent wrapping): strComputer = . Set objWMIService = GetObject(winmgmts:\\ strComputer \root\cimv2) Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery( Select * from Win32_Process Where NAME=tl_server.exe) For Each objItem in colItems Wscript.Echo objItem.ProcessId , objItem.CommandLine Next Save that into file uvclients.vbs. Then from the command line: cscript uvclients.vbs //nologo The output shows the PID from LISTU and the related IP address. (Note, you need scripting capability on the PC.) You can parse on that output if required once again to get the hostname from the IP. I'm sure none of that was helpful to WJ who will say no, that's not it at all, what I really want is... but I trust it will benefit someone else. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I've glad you're in a productive mood, because Ping using your one packet, is significantly faster than tracert which is what I *was* using to connect the IP number to the client hostname. -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Here are a number of ways to link a telnet client into UV back to its respective hostname. There's some redundancy here as not all commands work everywhere. OK, so as I understand the challenge, you got the inbound IP using System(42) (which of course should reveal the answer to life, the universe, and everything), and now you want the hostname of that PC. You can try all of the commands below and derive the solution from any command that returns valid data. You can't create a generic solution and guarantee success because the result of each command is dependent on site-specific configurations. There's NBTSTAT which requires NetBIOS but provides one vector to your solution. nbtstat -a 192.168.1.999 There's also PING: ping -a -n 1 192.168.1.999 This doesn't require DNS but I believe it does require WINS, and isn't always effective. If the IP is resolved the first non-blank line will have the hostname. There's also NSLOOKUP: nslookup 192.168.1.999 This checks your DNS, but if you're running DHCP it's not going to resolve. With a little .NET code you can also use the System.Net.Dns.GetHostByAddress method, then Execute SH to that routine with the IP. Now, if you are Not doing this from within Universe, you don't have an IP from System(42), so from what I gather you want to get the IP from a PID that represents a telnet client. NETSTAT -A will get you the hostnames and NETSTAT -N will get you the IP addresses. You can link those up using the client socket - while that's likely to be unique there's no guarantee. NETSTAT -O will get you the PID of the UV telnet server, not the client, with the hostname NETSTAT -ON will get you the server PID with the IP address. You can use 'TASKLIST /V | FIND tl_server ' to get the PIDs of clients that are telnetted into the UV server. Those PIDs agree with what you see in a LISTU and with the NETSTAT -O commands above. Change the find to tl_service to get the PID of the service. By matching the UV telnet service to a PID, the PID to an IP address or hostname, and the hostname to processes that are telnetted in, you sort of have a path to all of the info you need. Another way to link up the PID with the IP address for the tl_server is to execute the following script (join lines, intentionally broken to prevent wrapping): strComputer = . Set objWMIService = GetObject(winmgmts:\\ strComputer \root\cimv2) Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery( Select * from Win32_Process Where NAME=tl_server.exe) For Each objItem in colItems Wscript.Echo objItem.ProcessId , objItem.CommandLine Next Save that into file uvclients.vbs. Then from the command line: cscript uvclients.vbs //nologo The output shows the PID from LISTU and the related IP address. (Note, you need scripting capability on the PC.) You can parse on that output if required once again to get the hostname from the IP. I'm sure none of that was helpful to WJ who will say no, that's not it at all, what I really want is... but I trust it will benefit someone else. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [Windows]
I find this thread interesting (now that we have the name calling and such out of the way, I am taking no sides just saying) having said that I am still trying to fully understand what you are trying to accomplish. I understand (I think) that you have a system (running universe on windows) and you want to know the IP address of the system(s) connecting to your system running universe from another system? If I am not far off base, this would be pretty easy in linux using iptables (yeah I know) anyway I am not sure why you could not modify the windows firewall rules to record telnet connections, I have done this using iptables but never in windows, I may play around with it as I have a windows 2003 server I could toy around with (let me know if this is what your trying to accomplish or if I am way off base) Dougc -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:50 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] I've discovered, for useful content on this thread, that using SYSTEM(42) I can return my IP address, and then, on the SERVER (doing DOS from Universe TCl command line) I can then use the tracert command to associate that IP address back to my LOCAL (client!!!) PC who is doing the telnet. That is, each telnet knows the IP address from SYSTEM(42) but you cannot get the hostname from that, and there doesn't appear to be any way to ask the SERVER (not the CLIENT), what that IP address means in terms of who is ASKING (not responding). I know people who do this on a SINGLE pc get wildly confused by actual networked installs. At any rate, I still don't know how you get from the local information to the PID outside of having a connected universe process, and querying from inside universe. There must be a way to make windows do this, but I haven't quite hit it yet. People who are googling and spouting off the first answer they find, need not respond :)~ -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] As a professional who works (a lot) with MultiValued systems (many of them U2), I really like the technical content that I run into on here, and contribute when I think I have something useful to say. I get really put out with the personal attacks, but choose generally not to respond. I really, really hate flame wars... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: September-06-12 4:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] When someone calls me an asshat, I tend to respond. Did you think somehow you'd get away with that sort of personal abuse? -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Really kills you to not have the last word doesn't it. Sort of like a petulant 12 year old. Wjhonson wrote: Uh for a solution that ignored what I wanted? Yeah... uh.. thanks for not answering my question. -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Oh yeah, and your welcome, asshat. Wjhonson wrote: There is no -f option on netstat -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny jscha...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] netstat -f Wjhonson wrote: When a remote PC, asks the Windows server to open a Telnet session, Windows assigns a Process ID to that request. While the telnet session is open,that Process ID will appear in the Windows Task Manager. Is there a way to tell, WHO ask for that Telnet session to be opened? That is, the name of the remote PC, Foreign Address, Mac Address, IP or something of that sort that identifies the requestor/asker ? This has to be done *outside of* Universe, not inside it, for a particular reason. Anyone know the answer? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2
Re: [U2] [Windows] (SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED)
Great input, Tony. But be warned WJ, if your client PCs are external to your network, then Private Addressing and NAT may make this whole exercise nugatory. For example, if your host network / server is on your 10.x.y.z (or 192.168.a.b) and your remote client is on his 10.x.y.y (or 192.168.a.c), then you may end up resolving the name for the remote client as being whatever has 10.x.y.y (or 192.168.a.c) assigned on its local network. IPv4 addresses are legitimately non-unique. Regards Mike -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 1:48 p.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] Here are a number of ways to link a telnet client into UV back to its respective hostname. There's some redundancy here as not all commands work everywhere. [snip] I'm sure none of that was helpful to WJ who will say no, that's not it at all, what I really want is... but I trust it will benefit someone else. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users The information contained in this Internet Email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information, but not necessarily the official views or opinions of the New Zealand Defence Force. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. If you have received this message in error, please Email or telephone the sender immediately. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows DFS Replication
I have no direct knowledge, but I suspect that the remote differential compression used by DFS would need to examine the entire file to determine changed blocks, and with a non-trivial UV file of a couple of hundred megs, I imagine that the overhead would be LARGE. However, if you were looking at this as a periodic update mechanism for a mirrored server (say, on a nightly basis), rather than attempting real time database replication changes, you might be in business :-) All speculation on my part, and happy to defer to someone with firsthand knowledge, but if you could share an insight to the result you are trying to achieve, others may be able to provide a more accurate response. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011 8:04 AM To: U2 Users Group Technical Subject: [U2] Windows DFS Replication Is anyone using Windows DFS Replication with UniVerse on Windows Server 2008? Jerry ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows DFS Replication
I don't know that much about it, but DFS replication is still using file block replication not disk level. Also, It may not matter in your environment but it is recommended that the prestaging folder is 10 times the largest replicated file (some say 10 times the largest couple files) to avoid an IO hit. Is RDC true block-level replication? No. RDC is a general purpose protocol for compressing file transfer. DFS Replication uses RDC on blocks at the file level, not at the disk block level. RDC divides a file into blocks. For each block in a file, it calculates a signature, which is a small number of bytes that can represent the larger block. The set of signatures is transferred from server to client. The client compares the server signatures to its own. The client then requests the server send only the data for signatures that are not already on the client. You might check out: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773238%28WS.10%29.aspx -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Windows DFS Replication I have no direct knowledge, but I suspect that the remote differential compression used by DFS would need to examine the entire file to determine changed blocks, and with a non-trivial UV file of a couple of hundred megs, I imagine that the overhead would be LARGE. However, if you were looking at this as a periodic update mechanism for a mirrored server (say, on a nightly basis), rather than attempting real time database replication changes, you might be in business :-) All speculation on my part, and happy to defer to someone with firsthand knowledge, but if you could share an insight to the result you are trying to achieve, others may be able to provide a more accurate response. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2011 8:04 AM To: U2 Users Group Technical Subject: [U2] Windows DFS Replication Is anyone using Windows DFS Replication with UniVerse on Windows Server 2008? Jerry ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows telnet client with PT200 emulation
Dynamic Connect has pt200. Don't know if it is accurate though - it's not an emulation I use. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Natasha Zagsky Sent: 12 August 2010 19:51 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows telnet client with PT200 emulation Can anyone recommend a telnet client for Microsoft Windows XP/Vista/7 with PT200 (Prime Computer) terminal emulation? Natasha zagskyzag...@hotmail.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows telnet client with PT200 emulation
From: Natasha Zagsky Can anyone recommend a telnet client for Microsoft Windows XP/Vista/7 with PT200 (Prime Computer) terminal emulation? Ask The Doctor? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJeu3LCo-6A Seriously: http://www.facetcorp.com/fw_overview.html More seriously ... don't do that. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows telnet client with PT200 emulation
HostAccess http://www.roguewave.com/products/hostaccess.php Natasha Zagsky wrote: Can anyone recommend a telnet client for Microsoft Windows XP/Vista/7 with PT200 (Prime Computer) terminal emulation? Natasha zagskyzag...@hotmail.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows telnet client with PT200 emulation
Dynamic Connect, it's a light version of Wintegrate, free on the U2 Client disc from Rocket. It's generally pretty good. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Natasha Zagsky Sent: Friday, 13 August 2010 04:51 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows telnet client with PT200 emulation Can anyone recommend a telnet client for Microsoft Windows XP/Vista/7 with PT200 (Prime Computer) terminal emulation? Natasha zagskyzag...@hotmail.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows telnet client with PT200 emulation
On 12/08/10 20:36, Jeff Schasny wrote: HostAccess How good is HostAccess pt200 emulation? If DynamicConnect has the same .wit file as wIntegrate (it should) then it's a pretty good emulation (I wrote it, so I'm blowing my own trumpet :-) You may want to tell DynamicConnect you're using a pt250 - the two wit files should be identical. Just be aware that a real pt200 or pt250 had several sequences that would do the same thing, and I coded both variants into my wit file. VMark (as it was then) in their wisdom deleted a load of the duplicates, which screwed up our system when we upgraded because we had software which used the variant they deleted :-( Bear in mind we successfully used wIntegrate/pt250 to run WordPerfect/SCO sessions, so it had to be pretty good :-) If you have any questions feel free to ask me, but from my mention of VMark you can tell it was a LONG time ago ... :-) Cheers, Wol http://www.roguewave.com/products/hostaccess.php Natasha Zagsky wrote: Can anyone recommend a telnet client for Microsoft Windows XP/Vista/7 with PT200 (Prime Computer) terminal emulation? Natasha zagskyzag...@hotmail.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
Thank you all for your help, however this subroutine from 2005 actually
works perfectly:
SUBROUTINE ATGETDOCPATH(PATH)
* Get path to My Documents folder using AccuTerm Script
SCR='InitSession.Output MyDocPath() Chr$(13)'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'End Sub'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'Private Declare Function SHGetFolderPath Lib
shfolder.dll Alias SHGetFolderPathA (ByVal hwnd,ByVal fldr,ByVal
tok,ByVal dw,ByVal Path$)'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'Function MyDocPath() As String'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'Dim path As String'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'On Error Resume Next'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'path=String$(1000,0)'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'SHGetFolderPath 0,5,0,0,path'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'path=Left$(path,InStr(path,Chr$(0))-1)'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'If Len(path) Then'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'If Right$(path,1)\ Then path=path \'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'End If'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'MyDocPath=path'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'End Function'
SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'Sub Dummy'
PRINT CHAR(27):CHAR(2):'P':SCR:CHAR(13):
ECHO OFF
PROMPT ''
INPUT PATH:
PROMPT '?'
ECHO ON
RETURN
END
Sincerely,
David Laansma
IT Manager
Hubbard Supply Co.
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Office: 810-234-8681
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-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Holt, Jake
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:31 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
I don't think it works if the user moves their documents/My documents
anyway so it's probably not the best place to be dropping files. I've
always avoided it unless it's a .net app where I can use
Environment.SpecialFolder.MyDocuments, even then I've only used it once
or twice for unimportant things.
%HOMEPATH% actually goes to \Documents and Settings\{username} not
{drive}:\Documents and Settings\{username} which is why it's not working
the same as %USERPROFILE%.
Make a network share and use \\server\share\%username% instead =).
-Original Message-
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:59 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
...Or moved it back to where it was in XP.
I wonder what it's like to be in on the design meeting where someone
says
hey, let's just move stuff in this next release, k?.
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Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
Hi, This works for Windows in the English language. In French, it would be: %userprofile\Mes documents. The directory name changes depending on the language windows is in. - Original Message From: Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 10:10:19 AM Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable %userprofile%\My Documents -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Laansma Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
From: Dave Laansma Thank you all for your help, however this subroutine from 2005 actually works perfectly: SUBROUTINE ATGETDOCPATH(PATH) SCR=SCR:CHAR(25):'Private Declare Function SHGetFolderPath Lib shfolder.dll Alias SHGetFolderPathA (ByVal hwnd,ByVal fldr,ByVal tok,ByVal dw,ByVal Path$)' Executing kernel functions is a bit extreme for something this basic. The script above will work for AccuTerm users on the client, not on the server. If that's what you want and you have AccuTerm, great. Otherwise someone will need to code an executable wrapper around shfolder.dll. Again - a bit extreme given the multitude of simpler solutions. For info on Windows special folders (that's what they're called) and environment variables, I recommend people Google around to sites that provide Windows-specific info. As the OP stated, this isn't a U2 question. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
%userprofile%\My Documents -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Laansma Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
Hi Dave, I think what you are looking for are these variables: %WINDIR% or %SYSTEMROOT%: opens the Windows installation %PROGRAMFILES%: Opens the folder where you installed other programs (Program Files) %USERPROFILE%: opens the profile of the user currently logged %HOMEDRIVE%: opens the browser on the partition or the operating system is installed %HOMEPATH%: opens the currently logged user C: \ Documents and Settings \ [username] %TEMP%: opens the temporary folder Keith Conley IS Manager Jerry Pate Turf Irrigation, Inc. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Laansma Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, or proprietary. Distribution to anyone other than the addressee is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete this message and any attachments without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
So I think what you are actually looking for would be: %homepath%/Documents/ If you were to type that into the Run line, it would take you to the My Documents folder for the currently logged in user. Keith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:17 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Hi Dave, I think what you are looking for are these variables: %WINDIR% or %SYSTEMROOT%: opens the Windows installation %PROGRAMFILES%: Opens the folder where you installed other programs (Program Files) %USERPROFILE%: opens the profile of the user currently logged %HOMEDRIVE%: opens the browser on the partition or the operating system is installed %HOMEPATH%: opens the currently logged user C: \ Documents and Settings \ [username] %TEMP%: opens the temporary folder Keith Conley IS Manager Jerry Pate Turf Irrigation, Inc. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Laansma Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, or proprietary. Distribution to anyone other than the addressee is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete this message and any attachments without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
Actually, what seems to work on Vista is %USERPROFILE%/Documents/ - a mixture of previous suggestions! Ed -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: 04 March 2010 15:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable So I think what you are actually looking for would be: %homepath%/Documents/ If you were to type that into the Run line, it would take you to the My Documents folder for the currently logged in user. Keith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:17 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Hi Dave, I think what you are looking for are these variables: %WINDIR% or %SYSTEMROOT%: opens the Windows installation %PROGRAMFILES%: Opens the folder where you installed other programs (Program Files) %USERPROFILE%: opens the profile of the user currently logged %HOMEDRIVE%: opens the browser on the partition or the operating system is installed %HOMEPATH%: opens the currently logged user C: \ Documents and Settings \ [username] %TEMP%: opens the temporary folder Keith Conley IS Manager Jerry Pate Turf Irrigation, Inc. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Laansma Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, or proprietary. Distribution to anyone other than the addressee is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete this message and any attachments without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- This e-mail and any attachment(s), is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the addressee, dissemination, copying or use of this e-mail or any of its content is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender immediately and destroy the e-mail, any attachment(s) and any copies. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. It is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachment(s). Unless otherwise stated (i) views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender (ii) no contract may be construed by this e-mail. Emails may be monitored and you are taken to consent to this monitoring. Civica Services Limited, Company No. 02374268; Civica UK Limited, Company No. 01628868 Both companies are registered in England and Wales and each has its registered office at 2 Burston Road, Putney, London, SW15 6AR. --- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
Didn't Microsoft change the location of the /Documents/ directory with Win7 Or is it still under %USERPROFILE%? On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Edward Brown ebr...@civica.co.uk wrote: Actually, what seems to work on Vista is %USERPROFILE%/Documents/ - a mixture of previous suggestions! Ed -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: 04 March 2010 15:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable So I think what you are actually looking for would be: %homepath%/Documents/ If you were to type that into the Run line, it would take you to the My Documents folder for the currently logged in user. Keith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:17 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Hi Dave, I think what you are looking for are these variables: %WINDIR% or %SYSTEMROOT%: opens the Windows installation %PROGRAMFILES%: Opens the folder where you installed other programs (Program Files) %USERPROFILE%: opens the profile of the user currently logged %HOMEDRIVE%: opens the browser on the partition or the operating system is installed %HOMEPATH%: opens the currently logged user C: \ Documents and Settings \ [username] %TEMP%: opens the temporary folder Keith Conley IS Manager Jerry Pate Turf Irrigation, Inc. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Laansma Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, or proprietary. Distribution to anyone other than the addressee is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete this message and any attachments without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- This e-mail and any attachment(s), is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the addressee, dissemination, copying or use of this e-mail or any of its content is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender immediately and destroy the e-mail, any attachment(s) and any copies. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. It is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachment(s). Unless otherwise stated (i) views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender (ii) no contract may be construed by this e-mail. Emails may be monitored and you are taken to consent to this monitoring. Civica Services Limited, Company No. 02374268; Civica UK Limited, Company No. 01628868 Both companies are registered in England and Wales and each has its registered office at 2 Burston Road, Putney, London, SW15 6AR. --- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
Before I posted, I verified on my desktop (Windows 7 Pro) that it did in fact work. :) Keith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:44 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Didn't Microsoft change the location of the /Documents/ directory with Win7 Or is it still under %USERPROFILE%? On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Edward Brown ebr...@civica.co.uk wrote: Actually, what seems to work on Vista is %USERPROFILE%/Documents/ - a mixture of previous suggestions! Ed -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: 04 March 2010 15:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable So I think what you are actually looking for would be: %homepath%/Documents/ If you were to type that into the Run line, it would take you to the My Documents folder for the currently logged in user. Keith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:17 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Hi Dave, I think what you are looking for are these variables: %WINDIR% or %SYSTEMROOT%: opens the Windows installation %PROGRAMFILES%: Opens the folder where you installed other programs (Program Files) %USERPROFILE%: opens the profile of the user currently logged %HOMEDRIVE%: opens the browser on the partition or the operating system is installed %HOMEPATH%: opens the currently logged user C: \ Documents and Settings \ [username] %TEMP%: opens the temporary folder Keith Conley IS Manager Jerry Pate Turf Irrigation, Inc. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Laansma Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, or proprietary. Distribution to anyone other than the addressee is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete this message and any attachments without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- This e-mail and any attachment(s), is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the addressee, dissemination, copying or use of this e-mail or any of its content is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender immediately and destroy the e-mail, any attachment(s) and any copies. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. It is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachment(s). Unless otherwise stated (i) views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender (ii) no contract may be construed by this e-mail. Emails may be monitored and you are taken to consent to this monitoring. Civica Services Limited, Company No. 02374268; Civica UK Limited, Company No. 01628868 Both companies are registered in England and Wales and each has its registered office at 2 Burston Road, Putney, London, SW15 6AR
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
Just checked %homepath%/Documents/ again on a Vista machine - it doesn't work. So looks like ms moved My Documents on Win7... Ed -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: 04 March 2010 15:53 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Before I posted, I verified on my desktop (Windows 7 Pro) that it did in fact work. :) Keith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:44 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Didn't Microsoft change the location of the /Documents/ directory with Win7 Or is it still under %USERPROFILE%? On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Edward Brown ebr...@civica.co.uk wrote: Actually, what seems to work on Vista is %USERPROFILE%/Documents/ - a mixture of previous suggestions! Ed -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: 04 March 2010 15:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable So I think what you are actually looking for would be: %homepath%/Documents/ If you were to type that into the Run line, it would take you to the My Documents folder for the currently logged in user. Keith -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Keith Conley Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:17 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Hi Dave, I think what you are looking for are these variables: %WINDIR% or %SYSTEMROOT%: opens the Windows installation %PROGRAMFILES%: Opens the folder where you installed other programs (Program Files) %USERPROFILE%: opens the profile of the user currently logged %HOMEDRIVE%: opens the browser on the partition or the operating system is installed %HOMEPATH%: opens the currently logged user C: \ Documents and Settings \ [username] %TEMP%: opens the temporary folder Keith Conley IS Manager Jerry Pate Turf Irrigation, Inc. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Laansma Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, or proprietary. Distribution to anyone other than the addressee is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message, any part of it, or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete this message and any attachments without reading the content and notify the sender immediately of the inadvertent transmission. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- This e-mail and any attachment(s), is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the addressee, dissemination, copying or use of this e-mail or any of its content is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender immediately and destroy the e-mail, any attachment(s) and any copies. All liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. It is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachment(s). Unless otherwise stated (i) views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
...Or moved it back to where it was in XP. I wonder what it's like to be in on the design meeting where someone says hey, let's just move stuff in this next release, k?. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
If you wish, there is a subroutine, FIND_MYDOCUMENTS, in the AccuTerm SAMPLES file. Bruce M Neylon Health Care Management Group From: Dave Laansma dlaan...@hubbardsupply.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: 03/04/2010 10:11 AM Subject:[U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org I know this is not a U2 question, but I am trying to push a file from Unidata to the PC User's 'my documents' directory, using the Accuterm escape sequences for transferring a file. For those of you who are Dos savvy, what is the Dos environment variable that returns the full path of the users 'my documents' directory? Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
I don't think it works if the user moves their documents/My documents
anyway so it's probably not the best place to be dropping files. I've
always avoided it unless it's a .net app where I can use
Environment.SpecialFolder.MyDocuments, even then I've only used it once
or twice for unimportant things.
%HOMEPATH% actually goes to \Documents and Settings\{username} not
{drive}:\Documents and Settings\{username} which is why it's not working
the same as %USERPROFILE%.
Make a network share and use \\server\share\%username% instead =).
-Original Message-
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King
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Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
...Or moved it back to where it was in XP.
I wonder what it's like to be in on the design meeting where someone
says
hey, let's just move stuff in this next release, k?.
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Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
I was about to bring that up... This pc for example has been set by group
policy to have My Documents point to D:\ for re-imaging reasons. Yet no
environmental variable shows that. BTW, type SET by itself at a command
prompt to see which env. variables are set - they do vary amount versions of
Windows.
Also correct on the %HOMEPATH%, you would need %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\Documents\
for the full path, unless the above applies...
Robert
Holt, Jake jh...@samsill.com 3/4/2010 11:30 AM
I don't think it works if the user moves their documents/My documents
anyway so it's probably not the best place to be dropping files. I've
always avoided it unless it's a .net app where I can use
Environment.SpecialFolder.MyDocuments, even then I've only used it once
or twice for unimportant things.
%HOMEPATH% actually goes to \Documents and Settings\{username} not
{drive}:\Documents and Settings\{username} which is why it's not working
the same as %USERPROFILE%.
Make a network share and use \\server\share\%username% instead =).
-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:59 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] windows/dos my documents environment variable
...Or moved it back to where it was in XP.
I wonder what it's like to be in on the design meeting where someone
says
hey, let's just move stuff in this next release, k?.
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Re: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message
Thanks Susan, you were correct. Al DeWitt Stylmark, Inc. 763.574.8705 (V) 763.574.1052 (F) adew...@stylmark.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Susan Lynch Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message Al, it should be the STATIC_GROWTH_WARN_SIZE in section 2.2 your udt.config file. I suspect that the U2 engineers set it low enough that an administrator would have time to schedule sufficient downtime to memresize the file to a dynamic file, even if it is a rapidly growing file. Susan Lynch - Original Message - From: Al DeWitt adew...@stylmark.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: 11/10/2009 11:40 AM Subject: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message I noticed in UDT.ERRLOG the following message: Tue Nov 10 09:25:05 Warning - The size of CFORDER (ino=207201, dno=2154331439, cwd=E:\AVANTE95\FLODATA\LIVE\LIVE.DATA) is approaching system limitation. According to Windows the size is 1,612,720kb in size and I know that the limit is 2-GB.What I'm wondering is; is the message the result of the file expanding beyond a certain threshhold (say 1.5-GB) and it starts this message or does the database thing it's much larger than it's showing? If it's a threshhold situation is there a way of changing the limit to say 1.8-GB so that it's really more if a warning? Thanks. Albert DeWitt Sr. Programmer Analyst Stylmark, Inc. 763.574.8705 (V) 763-574-1052 (F) adew...@stylmark.com mailto:adew...@stylmark.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message
Al, it should be the STATIC_GROWTH_WARN_SIZE in section 2.2 your udt.config file. I suspect that the U2 engineers set it low enough that an administrator would have time to schedule sufficient downtime to memresize the file to a dynamic file, even if it is a rapidly growing file. Susan Lynch - Original Message - From: Al DeWitt adew...@stylmark.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: 11/10/2009 11:40 AM Subject: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message I noticed in UDT.ERRLOG the following message: Tue Nov 10 09:25:05 Warning - The size of CFORDER (ino=207201, dno=2154331439, cwd=E:\AVANTE95\FLODATA\LIVE\LIVE.DATA) is approaching system limitation. According to Windows the size is 1,612,720kb in size and I know that the limit is 2-GB.What I'm wondering is; is the message the result of the file expanding beyond a certain threshhold (say 1.5-GB) and it starts this message or does the database thing it's much larger than it's showing? If it's a threshhold situation is there a way of changing the limit to say 1.8-GB so that it's really more if a warning? Thanks. Albert DeWitt Sr. Programmer Analyst Stylmark, Inc. 763.574.8705 (V) 763-574-1052 (F) adew...@stylmark.com mailto:adew...@stylmark.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message
I believe that someone mentioned in a post a few days ago that this limit is 1.5. John Israel Senior Programmer/Analyst Dayton Superior Corporation 721 Richard St. Miamisburg, OH 45342 937-866-0711 x44380 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Al DeWitt Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:41 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message I noticed in UDT.ERRLOG the following message: Tue Nov 10 09:25:05 Warning - The size of CFORDER (ino=207201, dno=2154331439, cwd=E:\AVANTE95\FLODATA\LIVE\LIVE.DATA) is approaching system limitation. According to Windows the size is 1,612,720kb in size and I know that the limit is 2-GB.What I'm wondering is; is the message the result of the file expanding beyond a certain threshhold (say 1.5-GB) and it starts this message or does the database thing it's much larger than it's showing? If it's a threshhold situation is there a way of changing the limit to say 1.8-GB so that it's really more if a warning? Thanks. Albert DeWitt Sr. Programmer Analyst Stylmark, Inc. 763.574.8705 (V) 763-574-1052 (F) adew...@stylmark.com mailto:adew...@stylmark.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message
Of course - we did make it configurable - so you can set it to a different number - depending on your particular situation or administrative needs. All 3 associated settings are documented in the 'Administering UniData on [UNIX | Windows]' manual: STATIC_GROWTH_WARN_TABLE_SIZE=256 STATIC_GROWTH_WARN_SIZE=1610612736 STATIC_GROWTH_WARN_INTERVAL=300 Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4700 S. Syracuse Street, Suite 400 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Susan Lynch Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:03 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message Al, it should be the STATIC_GROWTH_WARN_SIZE in section 2.2 your udt.config file. I suspect that the U2 engineers set it low enough that an administrator would have time to schedule sufficient downtime to memresize the file to a dynamic file, even if it is a rapidly growing file. Susan Lynch - Original Message - From: Al DeWitt adew...@stylmark.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: 11/10/2009 11:40 AM Subject: [U2] Windows 2003, UniData 7.1.20: Please Explain This Message I noticed in UDT.ERRLOG the following message: Tue Nov 10 09:25:05 Warning - The size of CFORDER (ino=207201, dno=2154331439, cwd=E:\AVANTE95\FLODATA\LIVE\LIVE.DATA) is approaching system limitation. According to Windows the size is 1,612,720kb in size and I know that the limit is 2-GB.What I'm wondering is; is the message the result of the file expanding beyond a certain threshhold (say 1.5-GB) and it starts this message or does the database thing it's much larger than it's showing? If it's a threshhold situation is there a way of changing the limit to say 1.8-GB so that it's really more if a warning? Thanks. Albert DeWitt Sr. Programmer Analyst Stylmark, Inc. 763.574.8705 (V) 763-574-1052 (F) adew...@stylmark.com mailto:adew...@stylmark.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler
Bill, The instructions you sent worked as well. Thanks for the help. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Bill Haskett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Mike: How well did the instructions I sent you work? Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Roosa Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:48 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler Well, I got an error with option #1, but option #2 worked fine. I'll just go with that way for now. Thanks. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Tony G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike. Three methods come to mind. 1) start /b c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM 2) Some people may prefer a script, so here is how to do it like that. Create a text file called uvphantom.vbs with the contents below. You can do this from BASIC and customize as required. ;) You can also do this with just two lines but I broke it into four, to avoid email wrapping here. Set objShell = CreateObject(WScript.Shell) uvexec = c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe command = PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM output = phantom_output.txt objShell.Run cmd /c uvexec command output, 0, False The /c in the last line means close the a window as soon as the command finishes, assuming a window gets a chance to open. The 0 means hide the output (you can also use 7). The False means don't wait for the command to finish, just spawn the task and move on. Now with task scheduler, execute: wscript c:\path\to\uvphantom.vbs Since I know you work with C#, you can also use System.Diagnostics.Process if you want to do more rigourous handling of output, maybe completely wrap the process. HTH T From: Mike Roosa I am using the Windows Task Scheduler to run a job in Universe. Everything is working great except that I can't figure out how to keep the console window from opening when the uv.exe command is executed. The command I'm using to run my program is c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM. Is there a switch or something to indicate that the console window should not open? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler
Well, I got an error with option #1, but option #2 worked fine. I'll just go with that way for now. Thanks. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Tony G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike. Three methods come to mind. 1) start /b c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM 2) Some people may prefer a script, so here is how to do it like that. Create a text file called uvphantom.vbs with the contents below. You can do this from BASIC and customize as required. ;) You can also do this with just two lines but I broke it into four, to avoid email wrapping here. Set objShell = CreateObject(WScript.Shell) uvexec = c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe command = PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM output = phantom_output.txt objShell.Run cmd /c uvexec command output, 0, False The /c in the last line means close the a window as soon as the command finishes, assuming a window gets a chance to open. The 0 means hide the output (you can also use 7). The False means don't wait for the command to finish, just spawn the task and move on. Now with task scheduler, execute: wscript c:\path\to\uvphantom.vbs Since I know you work with C#, you can also use System.Diagnostics.Process if you want to do more rigourous handling of output, maybe completely wrap the process. HTH T From: Mike Roosa I am using the Windows Task Scheduler to run a job in Universe. Everything is working great except that I can't figure out how to keep the console window from opening when the uv.exe command is executed. The command I'm using to run my program is c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM. Is there a switch or something to indicate that the console window should not open? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler
We run batch files from the Scheduler which use uvsh.exe to call catalogged UV programs or Paragraphs. Eric Armstrong Lobel Financial -Original Message- From: Mike Roosa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:41 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler I am using the Windows Task Scheduler to run a job in Universe. Everything is working great except that I can't figure out how to keep the console window from opening when the uv.exe command is executed. The command I'm using to run my program is c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM. Is there a switch or something to indicate that the console window should not open? Thanks, Mike Roosa --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler
Mike: How well did the instructions I sent you work? Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Roosa Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:48 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler Well, I got an error with option #1, but option #2 worked fine. I'll just go with that way for now. Thanks. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Tony G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike. Three methods come to mind. 1) start /b c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM 2) Some people may prefer a script, so here is how to do it like that. Create a text file called uvphantom.vbs with the contents below. You can do this from BASIC and customize as required. ;) You can also do this with just two lines but I broke it into four, to avoid email wrapping here. Set objShell = CreateObject(WScript.Shell) uvexec = c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe command = PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM output = phantom_output.txt objShell.Run cmd /c uvexec command output, 0, False The /c in the last line means close the a window as soon as the command finishes, assuming a window gets a chance to open. The 0 means hide the output (you can also use 7). The False means don't wait for the command to finish, just spawn the task and move on. Now with task scheduler, execute: wscript c:\path\to\uvphantom.vbs Since I know you work with C#, you can also use System.Diagnostics.Process if you want to do more rigourous handling of output, maybe completely wrap the process. HTH T From: Mike Roosa I am using the Windows Task Scheduler to run a job in Universe. Everything is working great except that I can't figure out how to keep the console window from opening when the uv.exe command is executed. The command I'm using to run my program is c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM. Is there a switch or something to indicate that the console window should not open? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows Task Scheduler
Hi Mike. Three methods come to mind. 1) start /b c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM 2) Some people may prefer a script, so here is how to do it like that. Create a text file called uvphantom.vbs with the contents below. You can do this from BASIC and customize as required. ;) You can also do this with just two lines but I broke it into four, to avoid email wrapping here. Set objShell = CreateObject(WScript.Shell) uvexec = c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe command = PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM output = phantom_output.txt objShell.Run cmd /c uvexec command output, 0, False The /c in the last line means close the a window as soon as the command finishes, assuming a window gets a chance to open. The 0 means hide the output (you can also use 7). The False means don't wait for the command to finish, just spawn the task and move on. Now with task scheduler, execute: wscript c:\path\to\uvphantom.vbs Since I know you work with C#, you can also use System.Diagnostics.Process if you want to do more rigourous handling of output, maybe completely wrap the process. HTH T From: Mike Roosa I am using the Windows Task Scheduler to run a job in Universe. Everything is working great except that I can't figure out how to keep the console window from opening when the uv.exe command is executed. The command I'm using to run my program is c:\ibm\uv\bin\uv.exe PHANTOM MY.PROGRAM. Is there a switch or something to indicate that the console window should not open? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows Unidata -- adding users?
Mark; Hopefully you've figured it out by now - but users (and groups) are created in the operating system - not in UniData. There are a couple of permissions that UniData users require that may not be set by default for standard users: 1. logon locally 2. access this computer from a network 3. full permissions on the \unidata directory (although you can pare it down some if req'd) A couple words of warning about the Windows ODBC setup: 1. Many things are still case-sensitive 2. Avoid using a windows user that is a member of the administrators group to create your schema. It messes with the sql permissions. 3. Watch the OS permissions on the privilege file Hth Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada -Original Message- From: Mark Thornton Good morning from Central Texas, I am trying to understand the ODBC connectivity with Unidata. I am having problems with privileges assigned to tables and views in my 6.0 production Unix version so I installed the 7.1 Windows personal version to do some testing with. Now I can't determine how to create a new user in the database. The install didn't create a Unidata group as the documentation suggests nor does it detail how that groups permissions should be assigned to Unidata. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Mark --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users
We have our users all login into an account and we specify UV account when setting up the user. Our users are in the local user group on machine and they have full rights to the data account, source code account and the uv account. Works like a charm they are dropped right into the account we want them to. We also have code in our menu system that blocks them from TCL. Tony Caufield IS Manager Harbor Wholesale Grocery Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:19 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users The problem you are experimenting has to do with either Windows understanding the user is an Administrator or a Local Administrator, or not finding where to go in the UVlogins file. - Original Message - From: IT-Laure Hansen Date: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Hi Bill, I'm not a server/network person so please bear with me. We don't want our users to ever go to TCL. There is custom coding in the login paragraph to prevent this. Users get into a customized menu system. We also don't want the users to pick and choose the accounts they access; so, we have been setting them up with the account path in the profile tab, under the home folder, local path. This worked like a charm on Win2000, but ever since we upgraded to Win2003, creating new users resets the permissions to the selected account path as soon as we save the new user with that path as their local path. So the path is not truly to a user profile, but to their home directory. Since they share directories (we only have so many Universeaccounts), we don't want the permissions to be reset. I hope this makes more sense. If there is a better way to do this, please let me know: we've been doing this by rote and are obviously missing a piece of the equation. Thanks! Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Laure: Are you saying you set permissions to a UV account (e.g. E:\OurUV\Production). Then, when you create a new user and place this directory in their profile tab the permissions change? Why are the roaming user profiles maintained in a UV dbms directory? Doesn't it seem reasonable that the profile directory is altered as you describe? I'm wondering if these profiles shouldn't be maintained in another directory like E:\UVProfiles\%username%. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IT-Laure Hansen Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:59 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Universe 10.2 on Win2003 server SP2 (but was happening before SP2 as well): our set-up requires that users get created with the path to a valid Universe account in the user's profile tab. As soon as I do this, using the admin login on the server, the original permissions on the account are removed and all that remains are administrator and the new user. This is not acceptable, as Universe requires wide-open security (the effect of this is that other users can no longer even log to the account). I've been creating new users after hours because of this, and it's starting to drive me nuts! Does anyone know of a fix, either via change to Windows security policies, hotfixes etc? Thanks, Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users
Laure: Are you saying you set permissions to a UV account (e.g. E:\OurUV\Production). Then, when you create a new user and place this directory in their profile tab the permissions change? Why are the roaming user profiles maintained in a UV dbms directory? Doesn't it seem reasonable that the profile directory is altered as you describe? I'm wondering if these profiles shouldn't be maintained in another directory like E:\UVProfiles\%username%. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IT-Laure Hansen Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:59 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Universe 10.2 on Win2003 server SP2 (but was happening before SP2 as well): our set-up requires that users get created with the path to a valid Universe account in the user's profile tab. As soon as I do this, using the admin login on the server, the original permissions on the account are removed and all that remains are administrator and the new user. This is not acceptable, as Universe requires wide-open security (the effect of this is that other users can no longer even log to the account). I've been creating new users after hours because of this, and it's starting to drive me nuts! Does anyone know of a fix, either via change to Windows security policies, hotfixes etc? Thanks, Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users
Hi Bill, I'm not a server/network person so please bear with me. We don't want our users to ever go to TCL. There is custom coding in the login paragraph to prevent this. Users get into a customized menu system. We also don't want the users to pick and choose the accounts they access; so, we have been setting them up with the account path in the profile tab, under the home folder, local path. This worked like a charm on Win2000, but ever since we upgraded to Win2003, creating new users resets the permissions to the selected account path as soon as we save the new user with that path as their local path. So the path is not truly to a user profile, but to their home directory. Since they share directories (we only have so many Universe accounts), we don't want the permissions to be reset. I hope this makes more sense. If there is a better way to do this, please let me know: we've been doing this by rote and are obviously missing a piece of the equation. Thanks! Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Laure: Are you saying you set permissions to a UV account (e.g. E:\OurUV\Production). Then, when you create a new user and place this directory in their profile tab the permissions change? Why are the roaming user profiles maintained in a UV dbms directory? Doesn't it seem reasonable that the profile directory is altered as you describe? I'm wondering if these profiles shouldn't be maintained in another directory like E:\UVProfiles\%username%. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IT-Laure Hansen Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:59 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Universe 10.2 on Win2003 server SP2 (but was happening before SP2 as well): our set-up requires that users get created with the path to a valid Universe account in the user's profile tab. As soon as I do this, using the admin login on the server, the original permissions on the account are removed and all that remains are administrator and the new user. This is not acceptable, as Universe requires wide-open security (the effect of this is that other users can no longer even log to the account). I've been creating new users after hours because of this, and it's starting to drive me nuts! Does anyone know of a fix, either via change to Windows security policies, hotfixes etc? Thanks, Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users
The problem you are experimenting has to do with either Windows understanding the user is an Administrator or a Local Administrator, or not finding where to go in the UVlogins file. - Original Message - From: IT-Laure Hansen Date: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Hi Bill, I'm not a server/network person so please bear with me. We don't want our users to ever go to TCL. There is custom coding in the login paragraph to prevent this. Users get into a customized menu system. We also don't want the users to pick and choose the accounts they access; so, we have been setting them up with the account path in the profile tab, under the home folder, local path. This worked like a charm on Win2000, but ever since we upgraded to Win2003, creating new users resets the permissions to the selected account path as soon as we save the new user with that path as their local path. So the path is not truly to a user profile, but to their home directory. Since they share directories (we only have so many Universeaccounts), we don't want the permissions to be reset. I hope this makes more sense. If there is a better way to do this, please let me know: we've been doing this by rote and are obviously missing a piece of the equation. Thanks! Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Laure: Are you saying you set permissions to a UV account (e.g. E:\OurUV\Production). Then, when you create a new user and place this directory in their profile tab the permissions change? Why are the roaming user profiles maintained in a UV dbms directory? Doesn't it seem reasonable that the profile directory is altered as you describe? I'm wondering if these profiles shouldn't be maintained in another directory like E:\UVProfiles\%username%. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IT-Laure Hansen Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:59 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Universe 10.2 on Win2003 server SP2 (but was happening before SP2 as well): our set-up requires that users get created with the path to a valid Universe account in the user's profile tab. As soon as I do this, using the admin login on the server, the original permissions on the account are removed and all that remains are administrator and the new user. This is not acceptable, as Universe requires wide-open security (the effect of this is that other users can no longer even log to the account). I've been creating new users after hours because of this, and it's starting to drive me nuts! Does anyone know of a fix, either via change to Windows security policies, hotfixes etc? Thanks, Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users {unclassified}
Hi Laure We run UV 10.1.18 on Win 2003 SP2 and have no problems pointing all our users to one account. We also prevent them from going to TCL and have them use a custom menu system. Overall, we have 180+ users logging in daily from all over the world using our internal WAN and Citrix. To manage security, I put users into logical windows groups and use NTFS permissions on the various UV file folders to give or deny access to data as applicable. To get the users to login to the correct account I do not, however, use their windows Profile (AD or otherwise). Instead I setup a UV.LOGINS record for each user. This is accessible through UniAdmin under the Network Services/Telnet menu. Click the Users tab and then the Add User button. Use their Windows login ID, in uppercase, as the user name. If it is a domain login, put the domain name and the path to the account that you want them to use in the Domains area. If it is a local login id (created on the server which hosts UV), then use the Local Machines area. Either way, it is important that it is all in upper case and the account path is used, not the account name. Then under the parameters tab, click the UV Account radio button so UV will use the local info and not the home path. Using this method does not change permissions on the account when a user is setup and does not make the system any less secure. It also gives you more control over who has access to your DB if you do not have direct access to the Windows profiles. I hope this helps, Andrew Mack Snr DB Mgr. New Zealand Defence Force -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IT-Laure Hansen Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:20 p.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Hi Bill, I'm not a server/network person so please bear with me. We don't want our users to ever go to TCL. There is custom coding in the login paragraph to prevent this. Users get into a customized menu system. We also don't want the users to pick and choose the accounts they access; so, we have been setting them up with the account path in the profile tab, under the home folder, local path. This worked like a charm on Win2000, but ever since we upgraded to Win2003, creating new users resets the permissions to the selected account path as soon as we save the new user with that path as their local path. So the path is not truly to a user profile, but to their home directory. Since they share directories (we only have so many Universe accounts), we don't want the permissions to be reset. I hope this makes more sense. If there is a better way to do this, please let me know: we've been doing this by rote and are obviously missing a piece of the equation. Thanks! Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Laure: Are you saying you set permissions to a UV account (e.g. E:\OurUV\Production). Then, when you create a new user and place this directory in their profile tab the permissions change? Why are the roaming user profiles maintained in a UV dbms directory? Doesn't it seem reasonable that the profile directory is altered as you describe? I'm wondering if these profiles shouldn't be maintained in another directory like E:\UVProfiles\%username%. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IT-Laure Hansen Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:59 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users Universe 10.2 on Win2003 server SP2 (but was happening before SP2 as well): our set-up requires that users get created with the path to a valid Universe account in the user's profile tab. As soon as I do this, using the admin login on the server, the original permissions on the account are removed and all that remains are administrator and the new user. This is not acceptable, as Universe requires wide-open security (the effect of this is that other users can no longer even log to the account). I've been creating new users after hours because of this, and it's starting to drive me nuts! Does anyone know of a fix, either via change to Windows security policies, hotfixes etc? Thanks, Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe
RE: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users {unclassified}
I think it has more to do with Windows believing that if this folder is to be your Home folder, then only you should have access to it, and changing the permissions accordingly. A case of MS knows best ;-) It is better, IMHO, to setup the UV.LOGINS record for your users than use the windows profile to manage this. More control and less grief. Andrew Mack -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 2:19 p.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users The problem you are experimenting has to do with either Windows understanding the user is an Administrator or a Local Administrator, or not finding where to go in the UVlogins file. - Original Message - From: IT-Laure Hansen Date: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [U2] Windows 2003 server security on new users To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Hi Bill, I'm not a server/network person so please bear with me. We don't want our users to ever go to TCL. There is custom coding in the login paragraph to prevent this. Users get into a customized menu system. We also don't want the users to pick and choose the accounts they access; so, we have been setting them up with the account path in the profile tab, under the home folder, local path. This worked like a charm on Win2000, but ever since we upgraded to Win2003, creating new users resets the permissions to the selected account path as soon as we save the new user with that path as their local path. So the path is not truly to a user profile, but to their home directory. Since they share directories (we only have so many Universeaccounts), we don't want the permissions to be reset. I hope this makes more sense. If there is a better way to do this, please let me know: we've been doing this by rote and are obviously missing a piece of the equation. Thanks! Laure Hansen, City of Redwood City Information Technology 1017 Middlefield Road Redwood City, CA 94063 Tel 650-780-7087 Cell 650-207-3235 Fax 650-556-9204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this Internet Email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information, but not necessarily the official views or opinions of the New Zealand Defence Force. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. If you have received this message in error, please Email or telephone the sender immediately. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Windows Printer Seperator Pages
Tony, If it is a Konica Minolta printer the try the website http://www.konicaminoltaprinters.co.uk/support/downloads.htm for the manuals, firmware, utilities, etc... Kathleeni -Original Message- From: Anthony Caufield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:53 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Windows Printer Seperator Pages I just got some Konica copiers and they don't seem to completely be compatable with my HP separator pages. I am looking for the control codes to run Port Norm, Port Compressed and landscape anything you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tony Caufield IS Manager Harbor Wholesale Grocery Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
