RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
When we advise clients on GUI, we always advise a divide and conquer approach. It is amazing just how small a percentage of a system actually needs to be GUItized, once you have partitioned out the business rules, report and (strange) user menus, admin facilities etc. Use a regular report designer [AD - mvQuery] to handle the reporting. Keep the admin stuff on the green screen. Turn business rules into subroutines and test then from the green screen first. Then look at what is left, and employ someone who understands GUI to create the new front end. You might be surprised how little is left to be reworked, if you use the right tools. We use uvCase, but we don't sell that outside the UK so that won't help you! But there are plenty tools around that can. soapbox moment Sticking a few text and combo boxes on a screen is not a GUI. It's a form with a few text/combo boxes. Desiging an effective GUI is a skill that takes time to learn - like any other computing skill. Do employ someone to help you do it. /soapbox moment Some lateral thinking can help too: One of my favourite demos for mvQuery involves running a Command Before to capture an existing BASIC print job. I have a simple 300 line BASIC program that executes a print job to HOLD, uses a definition record to strip data from the job by locating recognized headings/subheadings and stripping text out at relative x and y offsets, and uses that data to write a number of records into a work file. I can then use mvQuery to select the work file and design e.g. a modern looking PDF or an export. None of that is rocket science, and I can use that technique to redesign a quite number of existing reports in a matter of minutes - without having to analyze how the original report was created! You can do similar things with other tools: it's just takes a little bit of thinking around the issue. Brian This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
UOJ: Iconv Date Picker Issue
I'm having a problem input converting a date derived from using the data picker (DTPicker) component, the following code, tmpRecordArray.Value(1, 1) = session.Iconv(DTPicker1.Value, D4/) returns a status of 1 (the string supplied is invalid). When I display it using the message box (Msgbox DTPicher1.Valus) all looks fine eg 19/10/2004. What am I doing wrong here. Thanks, Hans --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient and may be privileged. If you have received this email inadvertently or you are not the intended recipient, you may not disseminate, distribute, copy or in any way rely on it. Further, you should notify the sender immediately and delete the email from your computer. Whilst we have taken precautions to alert us to the presence of computer viruses, we cannot guarantee that this email and any files transmitted with it are free from such viruses. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Iconv Date Picker Issue
Hans, I dont know anything about DTPicker, but your date seems to have the format DD/MM/(European format). Therefore you should try to supply the format D4/E (or simpler DE) to your Iconv-function. Maybe thats worth a try. Thomas - Original Message - From: Morawa, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: UOJ: Iconv Date Picker Issue tmpRecordArray.Value(1, 1) = session.Iconv(DTPicker1.Value, D4/) returns a status of 1 (the string supplied is invalid). When I display it using the message box (Msgbox DTPicher1.Valus) all looks fine eg 19/10/2004. What am I doing wrong here. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Mailscanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[OT] Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
Well, let's see... the new car automatically unlocks all the doors when I get in (my wife thinks the carjackers'll love that one), I have to stand on the brake pedal to get it to start, the window decides for itself to go all the way down when I just want it down a crack, and the turning radius sucks. But, hey, that's progress. It's new and improved. Anyway, ignore this as the grumblings of an old codger whose coffee hasn't overcome the arthritis yet this morning. ;^) Regards, Charlie Noah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Change to the process flow is many times the impetus to replace a module or application in the first place. Change is not always terrible, although feared. In truth I have found the fear to be more in the hearts of the IT person who has tweaked the system over the past 15+ years and is insulted that their masterpiece is being considered a dinosaur ready for replacement. How dare they! You don't think that way when you replace your car now do you? You generally move into a newer improved model that outperforms the car you left behind. It may react a little differently, but overall the performance is better. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
And it was YOU that bought it! m coffee... need more.. Les :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 April 2004 11:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports Well, let's see... the new car automatically unlocks all the doors when I get in (my wife thinks the carjackers'll love that one), I have to stand on the brake pedal to get it to start, the window decides for itself to go all the way down when I just want it down a crack, and the turning radius sucks. But, hey, that's progress. It's new and improved. Anyway, ignore this as the grumblings of an old codger whose coffee hasn't overcome the arthritis yet this morning. ;^) Regards, Charlie Noah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Change to the process flow is many times the impetus to replace a module or application in the first place. Change is not always terrible, although feared. In truth I have found the fear to be more in the hearts of the IT person who has tweaked the system over the past 15+ years and is insulted that their masterpiece is being considered a dinosaur ready for replacement. How dare they! You don't think that way when you replace your car now do you? You generally move into a newer improved model that outperforms the car you left behind. It may react a little differently, but overall the performance is better. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI from Mv code - Tools
Will and others, Original point... My main point was, that the tools are here. Are you ready to learn how to use them? That's the sticking point. (Will Johnson) Yes the tools are out there, some of them are truly exceptional, and a few have a short learning curve. We have worked with Pete Schellenbach at Accuterm for many years and found it be a rock-solid product backed by people who understand and adhere to the concepts of user-friendly and easily supportable. Pete and his brother were responsible for the cursor-table / define-cursor definitions that are the basis of the @(-xx) definitions that exist within modern pick environments. We have integrated the Accuterm GUI API into our 4GL (Nucleus) and am constantly amazed at the ease with which GUI applications can be deployed within our environment. Nucleus uses the Accuterm GUI API set and simplifies the effort of adding a Graphic User Interface to pick applications. It alleviates the need of the programmer to plug GUI calls into native code while enabling the programmer to call any ActiveX or Java control where desired or if needed. shameless plug Both GUI and green screen environments within Nucleus are supported with ONE set of application code, data structures are based on data dictionaries. The learning path is upward, not tangental and is based on Pick standards and concepts. I would be happy to demonstrate to anyone in the pick community (U2, Pick, UniVision, jBASE, Reality) a conceptually elegant way of managing data and simplifying support within a consistent environment. Yes, System Builder applications can be converted to Nucleus. Yes, Nucleus supports all modern pick flavors. Yes, we have deals for developers. /shameless plug Regards Lee Bacall http://www.binarystar.com Tollfree 866-882-1888 Phone: +1 (954) 791-8575 Cell: +1 (954) 937-8989 My main point was, that the tools are here. Are you ready to learn how to use them? That's the sticking point. Will Johnson Fast Forward Technologies -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: can we stop with the pointless displays? was Re: Crystal Reports
I believe I added this option years ago... try using DET.SUP or DET-SUPP. At 06:29 PM 4/17/2004, you wrote: In a message dated 4/17/2004 7:35:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and had to watch the compiler meticulously display those line-by line asterisks during compiling. O speaking of that, thank you that reminds me. When doing BUILD-INDEX is it really necessary to display an asterisk with every ten items indexed? That is consuming more CPU time that doing the index! [IMHO] Get rid of it! Out! Vamoosh! Be gone with your evil self! I don't find value-added to displaying asterisks. If you must display anything, display a counter every thousand 1000 , 2000, 3000 or something or base the display on the apparent speed of the processing. Like every 5 seconds display the current count. That would help and it should be a very trivial fix. Do we have a fix it list yet up on the web site? Or can we start one? Or what? Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Iconv Date Picker Issue (Resolved)
Thomas, That did the trick. Thanks, Hans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Sprenger Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 5:41 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: Iconv Date Picker Issue Hans, I dont know anything about DTPicker, but your date seems to have the format DD/MM/(European format). Therefore you should try to supply the format D4/E (or simpler DE) to your Iconv-function. Maybe thats worth a try. Thomas - Original Message - From: Morawa, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: UOJ: Iconv Date Picker Issue tmpRecordArray.Value(1, 1) = session.Iconv(DTPicker1.Value, D4/) returns a status of 1 (the string supplied is invalid). When I display it using the message box (Msgbox DTPicher1.Valus) all looks fine eg 19/10/2004. What am I doing wrong here. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Mailscanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential to the intended recipient and may be privileged. If you have received this email inadvertently or you are not the intended recipient, you may not disseminate, distribute, copy or in any way rely on it. Further, you should notify the sender immediately and delete the email from your computer. Whilst we have taken precautions to alert us to the presence of computer viruses, we cannot guarantee that this email and any files transmitted with it are free from such viruses. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2)
Sounds a bit like the Coyote Web Server [ http://coyote.easyco.com/ ] This functionality would be a great thing to add to the Maverick project. At 07:41 AM 4/17/2004, you wrote: That's my point. In one sense I see what Will means. There are a lot of U2 shops out there that are happy as can be with what they have. However I've also had experience on several sites where the company has considered the U2 application a 'silo' application that is holding them back technology wise. Now, a lot of that can be resolved by throwing up Tomcat and UOJ and 'bam' - their old U2 app is suddenly capable of doing anything modern technology offers. So. It would be nice to do away with the necessity to add something like Tomcat. Don't you think? We've had some great recent additions to client type utilities in the form of callHTTP and the SOAP client. Now lets see U2 mature into a modern day application server. *---* Jon Wells Database Administrator Beloit College Information Services Resources Beloit, Wisconsin 608-363-2290 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 608-363-2100 (fax) *---* -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
problem with VLIST
Hello ! I'll got very strange thing with VLIST. I have external program which crash with fault 11, so I use VLIST and here is strange thig. Vlist give me information about length , object compilatr etc. but when try to list first line of code crash with fault 11. Layer type is Unknown. Universe verison is 9.6.1.9 OS version Tru64 Unix. Strange program was compiled on Uv 9.4.1.1 but I have lot of programs witch are compiled with this version od Universe. One more thing when I copy this file to W2K with Universe 9.5 VLIST work fine ?? Any idea suggestion. Best regards Radek -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: problem with VLIST
try re-compiling and cataloging the file. Chris Rados?aw Ryckowski wrote: Hello ! I'll got very strange thing with VLIST. I have external program which crash with fault 11, so I use VLIST and here is strange thig. Vlist give me information about length , object compilatr etc. but when try to list first line of code crash with fault 11. Layer type is Unknown. Universe verison is 9.6.1.9 OS version Tru64 Unix. Strange program was compiled on Uv 9.4.1.1 but I have lot of programs witch are compiled with this version od Universe. One more thing when I copy this file to W2K with Universe 9.5 VLIST work fine ?? Any idea suggestion. Best regards Radek -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: problem with VLIST
Rados³aw Ryckowski wrote: I have external program which crash with fault 11, so I use VLIST and here is strange thig. Vlist give me information about length , object compilatr etc. but when try to list first line of code crash with fault 11. Layer type is Unknown. Universe verison is 9.6.1.9 OS version Tru64 Unix. Hello, Radek, Perhaps the object was compiled on a different type of processor. Try using fnuxi or format.conv on the program. Best regards, Gyle -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS
Having a strange problem at a client site. There sysadmins upgraded the server running Universe from NT4 to Windows 2003 Small Business Server. Everything seemed OK, until regular domain users tried to login to universe. It seems to accept username/password but then telnet session terminates immediately afterward. Only two users can log in. Both of these users where members of the administrators group. All other users where members of Domain Users and a special group called UVUsers which we setup and granted the right to 'logon locally'. We checked to ensure the group UVUsers had right to logon locally - it did. We then removed and recreated the group UVUsers and gave it rights to logon locally - that still didn't work. Now here is the really bizarre thing. EVEN if we add any of the regular users to the administrators group - THEY STILL CAN'T LOGIN TO UNIVERSE. Only those two users that happened to be members of the administrators group when the server was upgraded are able to login. I'm stumped. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks, joe Joe Walter Fax/Voice mail: 1.435.514.5132 http://jaw1.home.mindspring.com Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS
Joe, We have seen similar problems in the past when NT user setups were copied over. We had to re-enter the users on Windows to get them to work. You might try setting up a new user in the user group and see if you can log in. If that works, you probably will need to set up the users from scratch. HTH, Mike Dallaire Mortgage Builder Software Inc. (248) 208-3223 ext. 103 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mortgagebuilder.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Walter Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS Having a strange problem at a client site. There sysadmins upgraded the server running Universe from NT4 to Windows 2003 Small Business Server. Everything seemed OK, until regular domain users tried to login to universe. It seems to accept username/password but then telnet session terminates immediately afterward. Only two users can log in. Both of these users where members of the administrators group. All other users where members of Domain Users and a special group called UVUsers which we setup and granted the right to 'logon locally'. We checked to ensure the group UVUsers had right to logon locally - it did. We then removed and recreated the group UVUsers and gave it rights to logon locally - that still didn't work. Now here is the really bizarre thing. EVEN if we add any of the regular users to the administrators group - THEY STILL CAN'T LOGIN TO UNIVERSE. Only those two users that happened to be members of the administrators group when the server was upgraded are able to login. I'm stumped. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks, joe Joe Walter Fax/Voice mail: 1.435.514.5132 http://jaw1.home.mindspring.com Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS
Here are the notes that I have been using (for UD): Open AD Users and Computers. Create a Global group Add members to group accordingly, then assign directory rights accordingly. Click Start - Programs - Administrative Tools and click Domain Controller Security Policy. Double click the Security Settings folder, double click Local Policies, and then click User Rights Assignment. Under the Policy column, click Logon Locally, and then click Add. Click Browse, select the appropriate group, then click Add. Click Ok, click Ok, click Ok. Open a command prompt and type the following command: secedit /refreshpolicy machine_policy /enforce Press Enter twice. I also have a PDF document from IBM which indicates to update the local security policy and then the domain security policy and add log on locally and access this computer from the network rights. I think the secedit /refreshpolicy may be the key as I believe it can sometimes take some time for your changes to take effect. hth -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles -Original Message- From: Joe Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS Having a strange problem at a client site. There sysadmins upgraded the server running Universe from NT4 to Windows 2003 Small Business Server. Everything seemed OK, until regular domain users tried to login to universe. It seems to accept username/password but then telnet session terminates immediately afterward. Only two users can log in. Both of these users where members of the administrators group. All other users where members of Domain Users and a special group called UVUsers which we setup and granted the right to 'logon locally'. We checked to ensure the group UVUsers had right to logon locally - it did. We then removed and recreated the group UVUsers and gave it rights to logon locally - that still didn't work. Now here is the really bizarre thing. EVEN if we add any of the regular users to the administrators group - THEY STILL CAN'T LOGIN TO UNIVERSE. Only those two users that happened to be members of the administrators group when the server was upgraded are able to login. I'm stumped. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks, joe Joe Walter Fax/Voice mail: 1.435.514.5132 http://jaw1.home.mindspring.com Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field
HI All, Would someone please point out what I'm doing wrong with the following? I am trying to extract the 'hello' field from the attribute below: 0059 }}}hello|13236|13226|13}E55}12478}}12657 I have tried this: 001 A 002 0 003 LTR NAME 004 005 006 007 008 F;0;(TDLT;X4;;59);X4;(G1\1) 009 R 010 12 and this: 001 I 002 FIELD(59X,CHAR(252),0) 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S without success. We're on UniVerse 9.6.2.10. Thank you for your help! Steve Ferries Vice President, Information Technologies Total Credit Recovery Limited 416 774 4250 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field
001 I 002 FIELD(@RECORD59,4,'|',1,1) 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S -Original Message- From: Steve Ferries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field HI All, Would someone please point out what I'm doing wrong with the following? I am trying to extract the 'hello' field from the attribute below: 0059 }}}hello|13236|13226|13}E55}12478}}12657 I have tried this: 001 A 002 0 003 LTR NAME 004 005 006 007 008 F;0;(TDLT;X4;;59);X4;(G1\1) 009 R 010 12 and this: 001 I 002 FIELD(59X,CHAR(252),0) 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S without success. We're on UniVerse 9.6.2.10. Thank you for your help! Steve Ferries Vice President, Information Technologies Total Credit Recovery Limited 416 774 4250 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field
try... 001 I 002 @RECORD59,4,1 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S HTH Chris Steve Ferries wrote: HI All, Would someone please point out what I'm doing wrong with the following? I am trying to extract the 'hello' field from the attribute below: 0059 }}}hello|13236|13226|13}E55}12478}}12657 I have tried this: 001 A 002 0 003 LTR NAME 004 005 006 007 008 F;0;(TDLT;X4;;59);X4;(G1\1) 009 R 010 12 and this: 001 I 002 FIELD(59X,CHAR(252),0) 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S without success. We're on UniVerse 9.6.2.10. Thank you for your help! Steve Ferries Vice President, Information Technologies Total Credit Recovery Limited 416 774 4250 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field
Oh... were those subvalues or pipes? -Original Message- From: chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:16 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field try... 001 I 002 @RECORD59,4,1 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S HTH Chris Steve Ferries wrote: HI All, Would someone please point out what I'm doing wrong with the following? I am trying to extract the 'hello' field from the attribute below: 0059 }}}hello|13236|13226|13}E55}12478}}12657 I have tried this: 001 A 002 0 003 LTR NAME 004 005 006 007 008 F;0;(TDLT;X4;;59);X4;(G1\1) 009 R 010 12 and this: 001 I 002 FIELD(59X,CHAR(252),0) 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S without success. We're on UniVerse 9.6.2.10. Thank you for your help! Steve Ferries Vice President, Information Technologies Total Credit Recovery Limited 416 774 4250 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field
HI Jeff, Sub-values. Steve -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:42 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field Oh... were those subvalues or pipes? -Original Message- From: chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:16 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field try... 001 I 002 @RECORD59,4,1 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S HTH Chris Steve Ferries wrote: HI All, Would someone please point out what I'm doing wrong with the following? I am trying to extract the 'hello' field from the attribute below: 0059 }}}hello|13236|13226|13}E55}12478}}12657 I have tried this: 001 A 002 0 003 LTR NAME 004 005 006 007 008 F;0;(TDLT;X4;;59);X4;(G1\1) 009 R 010 12 and this: 001 I 002 FIELD(59X,CHAR(252),0) 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S without success. We're on UniVerse 9.6.2.10. Thank you for your help! Steve Ferries Vice President, Information Technologies Total Credit Recovery Limited 416 774 4250 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field
Perfect! Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:16 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: [UV] - Dictionary Item for Multi-valued field try... 001 I 002 @RECORD59,4,1 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S HTH Chris Steve Ferries wrote: HI All, Would someone please point out what I'm doing wrong with the following? I am trying to extract the 'hello' field from the attribute below: 0059 }}}hello|13236|13226|13}E55}12478}}12657 I have tried this: 001 A 002 0 003 LTR NAME 004 005 006 007 008 F;0;(TDLT;X4;;59);X4;(G1\1) 009 R 010 12 and this: 001 I 002 FIELD(59X,CHAR(252),0) 003 004 LAST.LTR.NAME 005 12L 006 S without success. We're on UniVerse 9.6.2.10. Thank you for your help! Steve Ferries Vice President, Information Technologies Total Credit Recovery Limited 416 774 4250 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Drilling cubes was Re: Crystal Reports
In a message dated 4/19/2004 1:34:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, would anyone care to post any experiences on performance of implementing a star schema in a set of normalized U2 files and doing drill down and roll up strictly with LIST, SORT, and its options? Post numbers, not guesses. Oooo I feel dirty just reading that. Why would you normalize U2 files if you're going to use LIST and SORT ? Isn't that the whole beauty of mv that we don't HAVE To normalize ? Yes I wrote a system where I could do what Pick historically called cruising and double-clutching ... that is link to another record, and drill down into details without much effort. Of course, looking back at my collection of 500 useless utilities, I was the only one who figured out how to use it well. I tried to teach my programmers, but, well So you pull up a list of say ORDERS, you select a link field say PART 110192-5 and it allows you to see the details of that PART record which then links to SALES.HIST or BILL.OF.MATERIAL or VENDOR or whatever. So you can go down, sideways, backup, go over there, jump here, and return to where you started, still in the original list you started with. The concepts are not horribly trickly, but the implementation is a rhymes with switch. And you have to ensure that your linking fields are all built so the system can understand how to get the foreign record from the foreigh key i.e. your Tfile translates or TRANS functions have to be present. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
GUI as nice as character-based
I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a silver bullet is found. I've been hunting for years. Mark Johnson Original Message - From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: GUI as nice as character-based I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
We have been using a product called SmarTerm from Esker. It allows us to displays screen close to GUI that is easily configureable by the end user with little to no programming. It allows for HotSpots which appear as a button on the screen which the user can click on. Buttons are a list of things that a user can do that are mundane or repetitive, these can save wear and tear on the old fingers. It has a GUI pop up calendar that can be invoked from the host and the date returned back to the host. The user can change the colors on the screen to match their preferences. Email addresses and http links are highlighted differently and can be clickable. You can create you our macros that can be run from a Button. We use triggers to change our screen colors depending on which account we are in. If anyone is interested in a screen shot of what can be done. Email me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are currently using Version 11.0.5 on both PCs and Citrix Servers. I am also in the process of testing 12.1 Beta. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:45 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a silver bullet is found. I've been hunting for years. Mark Johnson Original Message - From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: GUI as nice as character-based I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based
Does the requirement to have no client-side setup (other than pointing a user to a web page in a std web browser) eliminate accuterm or not? If not, then does this permit drop-down boxes, combo boxes, calendars for date entry and the usual icons one might expect for various features? I'm talking about the U2 database, but the tools on the mv side need not be more than UOJ, for example (with support for update of stored fields and preferably also virtual fields as read-only). Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:28 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based Clarify. Are you talking about *within* the mv environment? Or an outside app? Accuterm has the ability to recognize where a mouse-click is in regards to (col, row). This is the same col, row that PRINT @ uses. Now if your mv programs have a single, standard INPUT subroutine then you can simply modify that subroutine. So your modification would look something like If I.am.using.accuterm then if mouseclick then get.location; determine.which.field; reset fieldno = this.field redo.input = true; return end end else input xxx end Or something along those lines. I have only seen one application package that integrated this ability, however, the screen drivers it built allowed the user to point-and-click and enter data into any field in any order on the screen. It was then up to the programmer to ensure that intra-field dependencies were properly handled. But it was certainly a good start. Is that what you meant? Will In a message dated 4/19/2004 2:17:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS
FYI, MS has changed the secedit command in 2003. To force a policy refresh, the command is gpupdate. http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/standard/p roddocs/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsserv/2003/stan dard/proddocs/en-us/RefrGP.asp Regards, Timothy Harkin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS Here are the notes that I have been using (for UD): Open AD Users and Computers. Create a Global group Add members to group accordingly, then assign directory rights accordingly. Click Start - Programs - Administrative Tools and click Domain Controller Security Policy. Double click the Security Settings folder, double click Local Policies, and then click User Rights Assignment. Under the Policy column, click Logon Locally, and then click Add. Click Browse, select the appropriate group, then click Add. Click Ok, click Ok, click Ok. Open a command prompt and type the following command: secedit /refreshpolicy machine_policy /enforce Press Enter twice. I also have a PDF document from IBM which indicates to update the local security policy and then the domain security policy and add log on locally and access this computer from the network rights. I think the secedit /refreshpolicy may be the key as I believe it can sometimes take some time for your changes to take effect. hth -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles -Original Message- From: Joe Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS Having a strange problem at a client site. There sysadmins upgraded the server running Universe from NT4 to Windows 2003 Small Business Server. Everything seemed OK, until regular domain users tried to login to universe. It seems to accept username/password but then telnet session terminates immediately afterward. Only two users can log in. Both of these users where members of the administrators group. All other users where members of Domain Users and a special group called UVUsers which we setup and granted the right to 'logon locally'. We checked to ensure the group UVUsers had right to logon locally - it did. We then removed and recreated the group UVUsers and gave it rights to logon locally - that still didn't work. Now here is the really bizarre thing. EVEN if we add any of the regular users to the administrators group - THEY STILL CAN'T LOGIN TO UNIVERSE. Only those two users that happened to be members of the administrators group when the server was upgraded are able to login. I'm stumped. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks, joe Joe Walter Fax/Voice mail: 1.435.514.5132 http://jaw1.home.mindspring.com Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Ah, I should add or modify one of the requirements -- when I indicated that there needs to be no setup on the client, I should put that in the client tier and consider citrix servers to be application clients, of sorts. So, for my purposes (though not for everyone), a citrix server is not an option. 1. Client Tier (no setup) 2. Http Server Tier (could include app server, such as tomcat or EJB container such as Eclipse or WebSphere) 3. Database Server Tier I'll clarify the requirements to add no more tiers. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Buffington, Wyatt Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:57 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based We have been using a product called SmarTerm from Esker. It allows us to displays screen close to GUI that is easily configureable by the end user with little to no programming. It allows for HotSpots which appear as a button on the screen which the user can click on. Buttons are a list of things that a user can do that are mundane or repetitive, these can save wear and tear on the old fingers. It has a GUI pop up calendar that can be invoked from the host and the date returned back to the host. The user can change the colors on the screen to match their preferences. Email addresses and http links are highlighted differently and can be clickable. You can create you our macros that can be run from a Button. We use triggers to change our screen colors depending on which account we are in. If anyone is interested in a screen shot of what can be done. Email me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are currently using Version 11.0.5 on both PCs and Citrix Servers. I am also in the process of testing 12.1 Beta. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:45 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a silver bullet is found. I've been hunting for years. Mark Johnson Original Message - From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: GUI as nice as character-based I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
My former employer Intuit Eclipse has successfully implemented a Java front end (Solar Eclipse... get it, Sun... Java... Solar, Arrgh) for their distribution ERP system. The nice part is that you can use any combibnation of GUI and character interface you like. For example, the guys in the warehouse can have old PC's with the Eclipse terminal emulator (which by the way allows a multi windowing charachter interface)installed while the accounting folks use the GUI or you can even run the terminal emulator for some things on the same PC as the Java GUI. This was all possible because the entire ERP system was VERY modular including a very smart INPUT routing used by every process requiring inputs from a user. Even so, the development of the java front end took over 2 years. -Original Message- From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
And as luck would have it, one of my recent clients uses Intuit Eclipse (without the GUI) so I just might get a look at that in the future (not to be confused with the IBM-ish Eclipse IDE container). Thanks, Jeff. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:21 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based My former employer Intuit Eclipse has successfully implemented a Java front end (Solar Eclipse... get it, Sun... Java... Solar, Arrgh) for their distribution ERP system. The nice part is that you can use any combibnation of GUI and character interface you like. For example, the guys in the warehouse can have old PC's with the Eclipse terminal emulator (which by the way allows a multi windowing charachter interface)installed while the accounting folks use the GUI or you can even run the terminal emulator for some things on the same PC as the Java GUI. This was all possible because the entire ERP system was VERY modular including a very smart INPUT routing used by every process requiring inputs from a user. Even so, the development of the java front end took over 2 years. -Original Message- From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Performance Degraded running u10.0.0 in Aix 5.2 ML 2
Hmmm. Are you saying 'Ogres' are like onions? On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 07:05, Scott Richardson wrote: Performance of UV applications on various Operating Systems is not rocket science. Perhaps better described as large, nasty tight onions that need peeling, one layer at a time, and understanding what each peeled layer is doing and why. Once this knowledge is acquired and understood, a plan can be built and executed to attack/resolve the problem. Are users logging out/off when they're done using the system, or when they've completed some large tasks or operations? How often is the system rebooted? RAID 5 file systems can slow down IO. We'll need specifics on file system setup and parameters. How many users? What are these users doing? Have you got everyone and their siblings all running SELECT and SORT operations all the time? Data Entry out the wazoo? How big are the files, and how are they sized? How frequently does data change in the files, (grow, shrink, etc...) How big is your /tmp file system, and what kind of file system, and where is it physically located?? Provide it it's own file system, on it's own disk or disk set, (i.e. not the same disks where other activity is going on). 4GB of RAM, yet only 4 GB paging/swap space? Where is this swap paging space, (i.e. what disks?) topas may be fine for quick and dirty analysis and understanding, but using it extensively can help contribute to performance problems. You need to configure and tune the platform, the OS, the UV DB, the IO sub-system, the applications, the users, and the administration/operations, and thenensure they're all coordinated with each other, to maximize platform performance. To find, (and therefore address resolve), the root causes of what is happening here, you need to profile the platform using something such as the DPMonitor, (extremely low-overhead monitoring Agent) and display/crunch the performance metrics on another platform, (i..e. a Windows Performance Explorer Console). Using this method, you'll be able completely profile the entire platform, (OS and applications), around the clock, and then easily dial into specific timeframes where problems are occurring, and fully understand exactly what is happening and learn why it is happening, so it can be addressed and resolved, and measure the progress along the entire way. The DPMonitor is available with a free 10 day evaluation license where it will track system-wide performance metrics. Fully licensed version will track individual processes that you select, or all processes if you so desire. When you monitor all of the processes, you can quickly and easily identify processes deserving further analysis, and stop tracking processes that are not casuing any problems. More information on the DPMonitor can be found at http://www.deltek.us and the DPMonitor can be downloaded right off the website. If you're short on memory, DPMonitor will allow you to see how much memory you will need to allow the system to run as fast as it can, given how you're running it. If you need tuning of OS or UV parameters, or other things that ay be playing contributing factor/roles, the DPMonitor will clearly point this out, grahically, so that anyone can plainly see what is happening. Once you make any changes, you'll be able to monitor, and measure, any differences, consistently, and prove whether or not you have improved, or detrimented, your cause. Best of all, you'll be able to show, prove, and justify to management what you're doing, and why, and show them what it will take to get the problems addressed and resolved, positively, without question. Hope this helps. I know the DPMonitor can will help. I have used it personally, numerous times, to peel many a complex onion, understand what is exactly going on, find out why, and then put together and executed plans that have successfully addressed and resolved similar problems and streamlined operations moving forward saving many a business significant time, frustration, and money, and then ensured that any all operations moving forward were done from a pro-active, knowing ahead of time manner, rather than fire-fighting problems on a continual basis. If you want something done, why not do it right, once? Stop beating your head against the onion wall! Work smarter! Let the DPMonitor be your detailed, EKG-like instrument to cut to the heart of your complex application server performance problems, identify them, and help you to resolve them, quickly and easily. Been there, done that. Many times over. Sincere Regards, Scott Richardson Senior Systems Engineer / Consultant Marlborough, MA 01752 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://home.comcast.net/~CheetahFTL/CC/CheetahFTL_1.htm eFax: 208-445-1259 - Original Message - From: Foo Chia Teck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:22 AM Subject: Performance
Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
Which is precisely why I ALWAYS do a project with both ends of the sprectrum being in on the decision process (Management IT). What good is a system that you bring in house only to have it a technical OR Business Solution misfit? BTW...although sometime the shoe fits...but why is management ALWAYS made out to be technical morons? Why is IT ALWAYS painted out to have the one and only solution that will sustain the company into the years ahead? Face it...sometimes IT is left in the dark concerning 5-10 year plans so the technology can accomodate it, and guess what...IT becomes simply a service function when it cannot deliver insightful solutions while taking progress and yes, whimsical desires sometimes, into consideration. You become the cog in the wheel who simply balks at change, (and funny to find when complaining how clerical staff can't stand anything new) the immovable hulk with nary a fresh idea. You have to be able to play together in order have the the type of smooth interaction and discussion. The moment either IT or Management takes sides...and refuses to budge..it's dead - and THAT is usually when they bring in the dreaded outside IT Director who knows squat and tries to replicate where he came from (and with bringing along anyone from the old company they can) Management works for the Board, you work for Management..find a solution where all the people in the sandbox are happy.. -- Debster In a message dated 4/19/2004 12:51:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In truth I have found the fear to be more in the hearts of the IT person who has tweaked the system over the past 15+ years and is insulted that their masterpiece is being considered a dinosaur ready for replacement. How dare they! You don't think that way when you replace your car now do you? You generally move into a newer improved model that outperforms the car you left behind. It may react a little differently, but overall the performance is better. But Deb I fear your alternative is a pretty lemon. I don't want to trade up my Jeep with cruise control, automatic headlights and anti-lock brakes for a porsche with a stick shift do I? IT needs to be on-board with any management decisions and then at the meetings they can ask pertinent questions like Can you show us where the Audit logs are kept and can we modify that process to our needs? Can you show us how easy it is for a user to customize one of these reports you have? If I have a customer who wants 100 units allocation to them on a continuous basis, how do we set that up in your inventory system? If IT is relegated to a service function, not a decision function or worse, if a new IT manager who didn't do it that way where I came from appears than you're screwed. Excuse my French. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
We first tried wIntegrate that created the GUI environment but of course required a client side. It worked pretty well and we still have a client using and asking for modifications to those applications. Several years ago, we found RedBack which runs under Unidata/Universe. Initially we focused on getting the applications done. Once they we completed we worked on the other issues: such as the length of development time, consistency of the code, training Basic programmers to code ASP/JavaScript/HTML, and ease custom coding. We solved these issues with a product called XLr8. XLr8 helps us code without that steep learning curve, producing industry standard code that programmers outside the U2 world can read and modify, and gives us a built in source code control module. Below is the answers to your requirements: 1) Browser based (Mozilla or IE) runs on all platforms 2) Attractive forms using Cascading Style Sheets (css) 3) Respond to key strokes using JavaScript. 4) Only a Browser needed, no plugins or client side software. 5) XMLHTTP threads off processes so the need for type ahead is abated. 6) Heads down type ahead is accomplished in two ways. First tabindex is set for all prompts. Secondly, validation is through dropdowns, or using the XMLHTTP engine for threaded processes, thus keeping the speed close to green screen. Hope this helps, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: GUI as nice as character-based I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
UniObjects
We are having a UniObject dilemma and wanted to see if anyone has had a similar problem and/or resolution. When making a call into Universe, via UniObjects, we are seeing a session limit of 10 sessions. Obviously, this is the 10 spawn max on enterprise or ip-based Universe licenses. We were under the impression that when license 1 had spawned 10 sessions, then we would roll to license 2 and so forth, until we reached the max licenses available. Has anyone come across this problem? Thanks, Kevin -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based
Isn't that what System Builder did (does) with its sbclient software? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based Clarify. Are you talking about *within* the mv environment? Or an outside app? Accuterm has the ability to recognize where a mouse-click is in regards to (col, row). This is the same col, row that PRINT @ uses. Now if your mv programs have a single, standard INPUT subroutine then you can simply modify that subroutine. So your modification would look something like If I.am.using.accuterm then if mouseclick then get.location; determine.which.field; reset fieldno = this.field redo.input = true; return end end else input xxx end Or something along those lines. I have only seen one application package that integrated this ability, however, the screen drivers it built allowed the user to point-and-click and enter data into any field in any order on the screen. It was then up to the programmer to ensure that intra-field dependencies were properly handled. But it was certainly a good start. Is that what you meant? Will In a message dated 4/19/2004 2:17:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly for the computer to respond 6) Heads down data entry folks are as happy with this as they were with their green screens when they first got those and have only minor complaints if converting now from a green screen, none of substance What are the options -- who has written or seen such a GUI? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniObjects
Have a look at the subkey property on the session object. You will need to alter this to be unique (after every 10 connections). HTH. Regards, Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Vezertzis Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UniObjects We are having a UniObject dilemma and wanted to see if anyone has had a similar problem and/or resolution. When making a call into Universe, via UniObjects, we are seeing a session limit of 10 sessions. Obviously, this is the 10 spawn max on enterprise or ip-based Universe licenses. We were under the impression that when license 1 had spawned 10 sessions, then we would roll to license 2 and so forth, until we reached the max licenses available. Has anyone come across this problem? Thanks, Kevin -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[UV] ODBC Account Flavor
I'm plowing through a project to setup a standard UV-ODBC table and column definition for our application. Our application database accounts are setup as PICK flavored accounts. For ODBC, we're going to setup a separate account for each application account with file pointers to the DATA portion of files and cleaned-up local dictionary files. I've been told by IBM that the ODBC account must be IDEAL flavor. I know that isn't totally true as I have a proof-of-concept system setup where the ODBC account is setup as PICK flavor. Like application accounts, is the flavor of the ODBC account simply a matter of preference? Or are there limitations with ODBC and PICK flavored accounts that I should be aware of? Tom Firl Columbia Ultimate -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Users can't login to UV after upgrade from NT4 to 2003 SBS
Goo'day, IIRC, isn't there a problem with telnet on Micro$oft SBS that gets in the way of what UniVerse expects of telnet? Can't give you a deinitive fix, other than we were informed yonks ago *not* to use SBS with UniVerse At 02:30 20/04/04, you wrote: Having a strange problem at a client site. There sysadmins upgraded the server running Universe from NT4 to Windows 2003 Small Business Server. Everything seemed OK, until regular domain users tried to login to universe. It seems to accept username/password but then telnet session terminates immediately afterward. Only two users can log in. Both of these users where members of the administrators group. All other users where members of Domain Users and a special group called UVUsers which we setup and granted the right to 'logon locally'. We checked to ensure the group UVUsers had right to logon locally - it did. We then removed and recreated the group UVUsers and gave it rights to logon locally - that still didn't work. Now here is the really bizarre thing. EVEN if we add any of the regular users to the administrators group - THEY STILL CAN'T LOGIN TO UNIVERSE. Only those two users that happened to be members of the administrators group when the server was upgraded are able to login. I'm stumped. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks, joe Joe Walter Fax/Voice mail: 1.435.514.5132 http://jaw1.home.mindspring.com Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.8.3 - Release Date: 15/04/04 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.9.0 - Release Date: 19/04/04 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Dawn, Citrix Server would break DLG (Dawn's Law of GUI) rule 4 anyway, as you would need to pre-install Citrix client software on most platforms. BTW Dawn, do you have a mathematic proof of DLG ? Just wondering, 'cause just like the Great Date Debate, many may be happy to 'bend' these rules because they don't apply to the environment they use ? For example, Citrix has MANY other advantages, especially in larger organizations, when it comes to issues like securing the desktop, and centralized updates etc. In Wyatt's case, he can simply install SmartTerm (oops, Windows only product, breaks rule 1 - hmm, but with Citrix his client 'can' be a Mac ?!!? Your proof could be 'interesting' ?!?!) onto his Server, and it then requires no pre-installation. He can have a link on a web page to download the Citrix client software does this 'break' your 'rules', or does it fit ? Of course Citrix Server/Terminal Server has an important place in larger enterprises, addressing issues like security, desktop lockdown, patch/update management, software distribution etc - which transcend DLG Also with your rule revision below, as with the original DLG, you still haven't included the J word, which I believe is an implicit (and understood) requirement for DLG !?! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 5:14 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Ah, I should add or modify one of the requirements -- when I indicated that there needs to be no setup on the client, I should put that in the client tier and consider citrix servers to be application clients, of sorts. So, for my purposes (though not for everyone), a citrix server is not an option. 1. Client Tier (no setup) 2. Http Server Tier (could include app server, such as tomcat or EJB container such as Eclipse or WebSphere) 3. Database Server Tier I'll clarify the requirements to add no more tiers. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Buffington, Wyatt Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:57 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based We have been using a product called SmarTerm from Esker. It allows us to displays screen close to GUI that is easily configureable by the end user with little to no programming. It allows for HotSpots which appear as a button on the screen which the user can click on. Buttons are a list of things that a user can do that are mundane or repetitive, these can save wear and tear on the old fingers. It has a GUI pop up calendar that can be invoked from the host and the date returned back to the host. The user can change the colors on the screen to match their preferences. Email addresses and http links are highlighted differently and can be clickable. You can create you our macros that can be run from a Button. We use triggers to change our screen colors depending on which account we are in. If anyone is interested in a screen shot of what can be done. Email me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are currently using Version 11.0.5 on both PCs and Citrix Servers. I am also in the process of testing 12.1 Beta. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:45 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a silver bullet is found. I've been hunting for years. Mark Johnson Original Message - From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: GUI as nice as character-based I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks currently using a green screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). What could be used to actually replace, completely, the character screens? Requirements: 0) work with U2 as multiuser databases 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client 2) Have graphically attractive colorful screens, looking enough like standard GUIs (M$, in particular) that users would understand the use of icons, etc. 3) Respond to keystrokes by users -- not only to the click of a submit button 4) Require no preparation of the client computers in advance of using the software, likely directing user to a web page. 5) type ahead can be done so that the user is not waiting constantly
RE: [UV] ODBC Account Flavor
My only .02 is that the fully compliant schema seems to interact better with odbc SQL clients - probably because using CREATE-TABLE commands makes the dictionaries exactly what they should be, and the creation of things like UV_TABLES. We probably won't go so far as to define a SQL schema on the account, but I can definitely see how it removes many of the difficulties in getting and ODBC interface up and running. Thanks for your response... the level of feedback I'm looking for. Tom Firl Columbia Ultimate -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Citrix and I don't get along -- too many bad memories trying to set up ODBC so that client machines ... anyway, I know that there are reasons that shops use it, just as there are reasons I hope not to have to touch the product again ;-) And I didn't intend for Java to be the only possible solution to fit the rules -- I just tried to be sure to rule out the V-word ;-) [Just a little joke there -- I actually think that Visage is likely an excellent choice for Microsoft-centric sites and I'm a Ross-fan myself, remember] Cheers! --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:21 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn, Citrix Server would break DLG (Dawn's Law of GUI) rule 4 anyway, as you would need to pre-install Citrix client software on most platforms. BTW Dawn, do you have a mathematic proof of DLG ? Just wondering, 'cause just like the Great Date Debate, many may be happy to 'bend' these rules because they don't apply to the environment they use ? For example, Citrix has MANY other advantages, especially in larger organizations, when it comes to issues like securing the desktop, and centralized updates etc. In Wyatt's case, he can simply install SmartTerm (oops, Windows only product, breaks rule 1 - hmm, but with Citrix his client 'can' be a Mac ?!!? Your proof could be 'interesting' ?!?!) onto his Server, and it then requires no pre-installation. He can have a link on a web page to download the Citrix client software does this 'break' your 'rules', or does it fit ? Of course Citrix Server/Terminal Server has an important place in larger enterprises, addressing issues like security, desktop lockdown, patch/update management, software distribution etc - which transcend DLG Also with your rule revision below, as with the original DLG, you still haven't included the J word, which I believe is an implicit (and understood) requirement for DLG !?! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 5:14 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Ah, I should add or modify one of the requirements -- when I indicated that there needs to be no setup on the client, I should put that in the client tier and consider citrix servers to be application clients, of sorts. So, for my purposes (though not for everyone), a citrix server is not an option. 1. Client Tier (no setup) 2. Http Server Tier (could include app server, such as tomcat or EJB container such as Eclipse or WebSphere) 3. Database Server Tier I'll clarify the requirements to add no more tiers. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Buffington, Wyatt Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:57 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based We have been using a product called SmarTerm from Esker. It allows us to displays screen close to GUI that is easily configureable by the end user with little to no programming. It allows for HotSpots which appear as a button on the screen which the user can click on. Buttons are a list of things that a user can do that are mundane or repetitive, these can save wear and tear on the old fingers. It has a GUI pop up calendar that can be invoked from the host and the date returned back to the host. The user can change the colors on the screen to match their preferences. Email addresses and http links are highlighted differently and can be clickable. You can create you our macros that can be run from a Button. We use triggers to change our screen colors depending on which account we are in. If anyone is interested in a screen shot of what can be done. Email me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are currently using Version 11.0.5 on both PCs and Citrix Servers. I am also in the process of testing 12.1 Beta. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:45 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a silver bullet is found. I've been hunting for years. Mark Johnson Original Message - From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: GUI as nice as character-based I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as a green screen from the perspective of folks
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Dawn, What constitutes an acceptable level of client install? After all, if they are running a Mac, Wintel, Linux box, etc., they have pre-installed software. What about auto-install, auto-config software? that requires nothing of the user, but still requires additional software. - Chuck Why's the Sky Blue Barouch Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: Citrix and I don't get along -- too many bad memories trying to set up ODBC so that client machines ... anyway, I know that there are reasons that shops use it, just as there are reasons I hope not to have to touch the product again ;-) And I didn't intend for Java to be the only possible solution to fit the rules -- I just tried to be sure to rule out the V-word ;-) [Just a little joke there -- I actually think that Visage is likely an excellent choice for Microsoft-centric sites and I'm a Ross-fan myself, remember] Cheers! --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:21 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn, Citrix Server would break DLG (Dawn's Law of GUI) rule 4 anyway, as you would need to pre-install Citrix client software on most platforms. BTW Dawn, do you have a mathematic proof of DLG ? Just wondering, 'cause just like the Great Date Debate, many may be happy to 'bend' these rules because they don't apply to the environment they use ? For example, Citrix has MANY other advantages, especially in larger organizations, when it comes to issues like securing the desktop, and centralized updates etc. In Wyatt's case, he can simply install SmartTerm (oops, Windows only product, breaks rule 1 - hmm, but with Citrix his client 'can' be a Mac ?!!? Your proof could be 'interesting' ?!?!) onto his Server, and it then requires no pre-installation. He can have a link on a web page to download the Citrix client software does this 'break' your 'rules', or does it fit ? Of course Citrix Server/Terminal Server has an important place in larger enterprises, addressing issues like security, desktop lockdown, patch/update management, software distribution etc - which transcend DLG Also with your rule revision below, as with the original DLG, you still haven't included the J word, which I believe is an implicit (and understood) requirement for DLG !?! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 5:14 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Ah, I should add or modify one of the requirements -- when I indicated that there needs to be no setup on the client, I should put that in the client tier and consider citrix servers to be application clients, of sorts. So, for my purposes (though not for everyone), a citrix server is not an option. 1. Client Tier (no setup) 2. Http Server Tier (could include app server, such as tomcat or EJB container such as Eclipse or WebSphere) 3. Database Server Tier I'll clarify the requirements to add no more tiers. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Buffington, Wyatt Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:57 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based We have been using a product called SmarTerm from Esker. It allows us to displays screen close to GUI that is easily configureable by the end user with little to no programming. It allows for HotSpots which appear as a button on the screen which the user can click on. Buttons are a list of things that a user can do that are mundane or repetitive, these can save wear and tear on the old fingers. It has a GUI pop up calendar that can be invoked from the host and the date returned back to the host. The user can change the colors on the screen to match their preferences. Email addresses and http links are highlighted differently and can be clickable. You can create you our macros that can be run from a Button. We use triggers to change our screen colors depending on which account we are in. If anyone is interested in a screen shot of what can be done. Email me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are currently using Version 11.0.5 on both PCs and Citrix Servers. I am also in the process of testing 12.1 Beta. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:45 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a silver bullet is found. I've been hunting for years. Mark Johnson Original Message - From:
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Dawn, how blue sky are we talking? I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI framework for developing applications on Windows, X, Mac, OS/2. I also think the world is crying out for a cross platform application browesr (same idea as a web browser, but for running applications defined using XML and downloaded from a server. Not designed for browsing websites and hence with different security requirements (and permission to do more things on the client)). Want to colaborate to write one with wxWidgets? :) This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can't think of a real zero install technology ... once you consider web browser dependencies, java dependencies, flash player dependencies, citrix dependencies, terminal emulation dependencies etc there is always *something* you need to have or fiddle with on the client (otherwise we'd all be shipping PCs with no O/S installed). Craig -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Anyone up for a little straw poll ? A recurrent theme that I see played out in this related forums is the well, does it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop question. Often, when asked, the people that raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!? Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the big smoke - but (to date) I simply haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of windows. SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the gee, if I had my way kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 workstation devices -- all Windows (even back as far as 3.11) I've had the Mac option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500. Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely the state of the desktop, so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up be counted - and if there is a vast ocean of hidden MAC and Linux desktops out there, please identify yourself Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage an Evolution in Software Development 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
I also think the world is crying out for a cross platform application browesr (same idea as a web browser, but for running applications defined using XML and downloaded from a server. Not designed for browsing websites and hence with different security requirements (and permission to do more things on the client)). Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows Longhorn by the time it BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects should be up away, and you may have your path. We've started to play with this as part of the overall evolutionary path of our product (Clif won't let me mention Viságe unless I put an [AD] in the subject) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Bennett Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:32 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Dawn, how blue sky are we talking? I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI framework for developing applications on Windows, X, Mac, OS/2. I also think the world is crying out for a cross platform application browesr (same idea as a web browser, but for running applications defined using XML and downloaded from a server. Not designed for browsing websites and hence with different security requirements (and permission to do more things on the client)). Want to colaborate to write one with wxWidgets? :) This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can't think of a real zero install technology ... once you consider web browser dependencies, java dependencies, flash player dependencies, citrix dependencies, terminal emulation dependencies etc there is always *something* you need to have or fiddle with on the client (otherwise we'd all be shipping PCs with no O/S installed). Craig -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based
In a message dated 4/19/2004 11:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the requirement to have no client-side setup (other than pointing a user to a web page in a std web browser) eliminate accuterm or not? If not, then does this permit drop-down boxes, combo boxes, calendars for date entry and the usual icons one might expect for various features? I'm talking about the U2 database, but the tools on the mv side need not be more than UOJ, for example (with support for update of stored fields and preferably also virtual fields as read-only). yes Dawn, Accuterm does support a web browser interface I've not worked closely with that implementation, I usually use the telnet terminal emulator thingie. But I did dink around with it slightly just to make sure it works. I would expect since its running in a browser that you could do any java thingies you do with any other page if you want Or any HTML or whatever. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are?. According to http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html Windows 90%+ Mac 4% Linux1% If anything over the last few years windows market share has been increasing as mac which used to be in excess of 5% fades slightly - Robert-- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
You can't really have a zero client footprint. I'd rephrase Dawn's statement to say that perhaps you are using client software that the average person would ALREADY have installed such as a browser, a jpg viewer, a mp3 player, etc. As long as its the RIGHT browser, an appropriate version, configured correctly. Craig -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
H, That could exclude Java, as I don't think the JVM ships these days with XP, does it ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based In a message dated 4/19/2004 6:36:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can't think of a real zero install technology ... once you consider web browser dependencies, java dependencies, flash player dependencies, citrix dependencies, terminal emulation dependencies etc there is always *something* you need to have or fiddle with on the client (otherwise we'd all be shipping PCs with no O/S installed). Craig You can't really have a zero client footprint. I'd rephrase Dawn's statement to say that perhaps you are using client software that the average person would ALREADY have installed such as a browser, a jpg viewer, a mp3 player, etc. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows Longhorn by the time it BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects should be up away, and you may have your path. But Ross, that gives me no more advantages than using IE6 in the context of Dawn's question (although I can see how an application vendor tied hard to windows might feel a little defensive about criteria 1 :) All our desktops at work and at clients are wintel (I run Slackware at home). Nevertheless, the thrust of you argument (and presumable the intended point of your straw poll) is not necessarily correct -- just because windows has vast market domination now, it does not follow that this will remain the case: just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers). Craig -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UV Crash on W2K3
Sara, Did you try a RESIZE on the file? And if so, what was the result? Andrew Mack Deputy Sys Admin NZDF HRMIS 04 2371 914 From: Sara Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UV Crash on W2K3 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:23:10 +1200 After extensive effort, creating an example to send to IBM we believe we have found the problem. One of our files had a trigger. Due to this the big/little endian conversion, using CONVERT.FORMAT did not seem to completely work. However this was not obvious. We thought we had reconverted all files with triggers, but maybe we missed this one. The following commands worked without obvious problems. uvbackup COUNT BAD.FILE CT BAD.FILE * LIST BAD.FILE SORT BAD.FILE However FILE.STAT BAD.FILE failed with a message, but did not terminate the session. uvfixfile did not appear to do anything. No error, just nothing. ACCOUNT.FILE.STATS worked without obvious error but the output in STAT.FILE showed incomplete information. The result of this was that basic programs failed intermittently which made this very, very difficult to track down. I will be raising this with IBM as I believe it is a bug. Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ Listen to music online with the Xtra Broadband Channel http://xtra.co.nz/broadband -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
MV Data Warehousing with Great Plains
Wow. Thanks to all who have helped me create a proposal for my client to possibly keep their MV system as a Data Warehouse to Great Plains. Especially the Data Cube concept which has been in Results for 24 years. I would like to get some first hand examples if anyone has used a MV system as a Data Warehouse to either a non-MV system or an MV system. More towards the non-MV system. In particular, was the Data Warehouse new software and new reports had to be created in that environment. Or was the Data Warehouse the previous application, which is more of my situation. Thanks in advance. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
