Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[James Wilson]

DC Netonix switches on my solar powered tell me tell me that the AF5X
radios are using around 10 watts.

On Jan 5, 2017 11:20 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

I think you are thinking of the AF24’s.  They draw quite a bit more.



Rory



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That's why I regulate the voltage.  From as low as 19v it'll do 24v to the
gear.



Netonix does this as well.

Josh Luthman
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On Jan 5, 2017 4:31 PM, "Steve D"  wrote:

Oh, that is bloody fantastic.  Thanks for the responses guys.  I'd love to
hear from Ubnt guys about the low end power and whether they can they
safely hit 20v in a worst case scenario.  We really try our best to avoid
ever going under 24v but it's nice to have wiggle room for days when
everything goes stupid.  And much, much love for the wide range of input
voltage because I can totally see ourselves eventually moving to 48v if we
ever did this again.



-Steve



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

I've measured similar power consumption... the spec sheet is definitely on
the high side. I usually figure 8 watts for planning purposes, but I
haven't ever seen them actually draw that much. According to ubiquiti, the
input voltage is 19v to 53v now, but I don't think they are 802.3af
compliant.
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Power consumption



Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory POE.

POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.

I waited ~10 minutes after it booted to look. They were definitely
associated. It's running 33dBm EIRP @ 5240.



6 watt radio I would *NOT* call power hungry at all.



They were 24v radios on the first shipment, there's a specific MAC address
range (very small).  These days they're 24-48 volts.  It's to the point
where Netonix is removing 24vh (power on 4 pairs) because AF5x was the only
radio that uses it and it isn't necessary but for a small number of
existing units.



I think the cut off is 20v?




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Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Adair Winter 
wrote:

We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than 24
though.



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D  wrote:

Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw up to
12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt
something onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber
line was *power hungry*.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3
compliant so 48 volt.  This isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec
sheets from airmax radios, is it?



Cheers,



-Steve



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Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[Rory Conaway]

I think you are thinking of the AF24’s.  They draw quite a bit more.

Rory

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Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

That's why I regulate the voltage.  From as low as 19v it'll do 24v to the gear.

Netonix does this as well.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 5, 2017 4:31 PM, "Steve D" > 
wrote:
Oh, that is bloody fantastic.  Thanks for the responses guys.  I'd love to hear 
from Ubnt guys about the low end power and whether they can they safely hit 20v 
in a worst case scenario.  We really try our best to avoid ever going under 24v 
but it's nice to have wiggle room for days when everything goes stupid.  And 
much, much love for the wide range of input voltage because I can totally see 
ourselves eventually moving to 48v if we ever did this again.

-Steve

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
I've measured similar power consumption... the spec sheet is definitely on the 
high side. I usually figure 8 watts for planning purposes, but I haven't ever 
seen them actually draw that much. According to ubiquiti, the input voltage is 
19v to 53v now, but I don't think they are 802.3af compliant.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:46 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption
Power consumption

Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory POE.
POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.
I waited ~10 minutes after it booted to look. They were definitely associated. 
It's running 33dBm EIRP @ 5240.

6 watt radio I would *NOT* call power hungry at all.

They were 24v radios on the first shipment, there's a specific MAC address 
range (very small).  These days they're 24-48 volts.  It's to the point where 
Netonix is removing 24vh (power on 4 pairs) because AF5x was the only radio 
that uses it and it isn't necessary but for a small number of existing units.

I think the cut off is 20v?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than 24 
though.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D 
> wrote:
Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw up to 
12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt something 
onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber line was power 
hungry.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3 compliant so 48 volt.  This 
isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec sheets from airmax radios, is it?

Cheers,

-Steve

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Re: [Ubnt_users] 6.0 issues

[Stuart Pierce]

Just a good SOP on up/down-grading. Why? Who knows, memory leaks or
whatever. If it's up for more than 7 days, I reboot.

On Thu, January 5, 2017 9:33 pm, Jerry Head wrote:
> Why?
> I did not.
>
>
> On 1/5/2017 6:01 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
>
>> Make sure you reboot before you downgrade.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, January 5, 2017 4:22 pm, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry are you finding going back to 5.6.9 can stabilize this issue.
>>> We
>>> have Rocket M5(XM) that are doing the same thing.  One sector just had
>>> 6
>>> clients offline and rebooting the AP restored all the clients.
>>>
>>> We had a few clients that were having issues and after reverting back
>>> to 5.6.9 the radios died.  Don't want to do that on a 300ft tower AP
>>> when its 17 degrees outside.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> Wireless Operations Manager
>>> New Lisbon Broadband
>>> NLBC.COM
>>> PCSWIN.COM
>>> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
>>> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Jerry Head
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:45 PM
>>> To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would advise against putting 6.0 on XM APs. As they drop subs with
>>> that version. A reboot gets them back but...yuck.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/5/2017 10:39 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>> Just try going to 6.0 first on AP and STA and see if it improves. Also
>>>  make sure you Airview scan that you're on the best channel.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:17 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on
>>> this? back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg
>>> packages on 2.4 rockets with these numbers? should the radios be able
>>> to do that? do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)
>>>
>>> maybe i will lol
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: RickG
>>> To: Ubiquiti Users Group
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes &
>>> goes and so far I have not been able to pinpoint it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick
>>> > wrote:
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it
>>> as long as everything looks fine from our end. But this has increased
>>> significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware and I think we need
>>> to critically look at it and not dismiss it. There is no way a ton of
>>> customers can be hallucinating at the same time
>>>
>>> The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet
>>> goes off and on especially if you are on the DFS band.
>>>
>>> Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest
>>> package today and said "do not upgrade him even if he asks" we suspect
>>> he'll visit his parents more :) base package is 3 meg
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> To: Ubiquiti Users Group
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:40 PM
>>> Subject: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We've got an average of 14 users on our 2.4 rockets.  10 mhz
>>> channels. some are sectors, some are omnis.
>>>
>>> Currently one 2.4 rocket has 13 connections (one guy dropped for
>>> t-mobile??!!)   I guess that makes sense, no one else has t-mobile
>>> down here - so here are the current stats :
>>>
>>> airmax quality - 83% airmax capacity - 80%
>>>
>>> here is the stations list and their signals -
>>>
>>> [cid:image001.jpg@01D26770.0D24CF80]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Access point is running 6.0 ; stations are 5.6.3
>>> That'll change soon - maybe end of January.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a 2nd 2.4 rocket we are also monitoring - it also has 14 users
>>> on it
>>>
>>> airmax quality is 75% airmax capacity is 70%
>>>
>>> also running 6.0  stations are 5.6.3
>>>
>>> [cid:image002.jpg@01D26770.0D24CF80]\
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am selling 10 meg packages off these access points.  In some cases
>>> folks are buying more than that. Sometimes I can get 22 meg linktests
>>> using the ubnt speed tests.
>>>
>>> I've noticed in the last week or two i've seen people disconnecting -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "i'm only getting 2 meg, this is not acceptable"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> here's my favorite - a kid files a complaint against us with the bbb
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> "If you can avoid doing business with this company, I 

Re: [Ubnt_users] 6.0 issues

[Jerry Head]

Why?
I did not.

On 1/5/2017 6:01 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
> Make sure you reboot before you downgrade.
>
> On Thu, January 5, 2017 4:22 pm, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> Jerry are you finding going back to 5.6.9 can stabilize this issue.  We
>> have Rocket M5(XM) that are doing the same thing.  One sector just had 6
>> clients offline and rebooting the AP restored all the clients.
>>
>> We had a few clients that were having issues and after reverting back to
>> 5.6.9 the radios died.  Don't want to do that on a 300ft tower AP when
>> its 17 degrees outside.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> Wireless Operations Manager
>> New Lisbon Broadband
>> NLBC.COM
>> PCSWIN.COM
>> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
>>
>>
>> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jerry Head
>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:45 PM
>> To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>>
>>
>> I would advise against putting 6.0 on XM APs. As they drop subs with that
>> version. A reboot gets them back but...yuck.
>>
>>
>> On 1/5/2017 10:39 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>> Just try going to 6.0 first on AP and STA and see if it improves. Also
>> make sure you Airview scan that you're on the best channel.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:17 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on this?
>> back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg packages
>> on 2.4 rockets with these numbers? should the radios be able to do that? do
>> i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)
>>
>> maybe i will lol
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: RickG
>> To: Ubiquiti Users Group
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>>
>>
>> Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes & goes
>> and so far I have not been able to pinpoint it.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick
>> > wrote:
>> Jay,
>>
>>
>> We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it as
>> long as everything looks fine from our end. But this has increased
>> significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware and I think we need to
>> critically look at it and not dismiss it. There is no way a ton of
>> customers can be hallucinating at the same time
>>
>> The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet goes
>> off and on especially if you are on the DFS band.
>>
>> Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest package
>> today and said "do not upgrade him even if he asks" we suspect he'll visit
>> his parents more :) base package is 3 meg
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller
>> To: Ubiquiti Users Group
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:40 PM
>> Subject: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>>
>>
>>
>> We've got an average of 14 users on our 2.4 rockets.  10 mhz channels.
>> some are sectors, some are omnis.
>>
>> Currently one 2.4 rocket has 13 connections (one guy dropped for
>> t-mobile??!!)   I guess that makes sense, no one else has t-mobile down
>> here - so here are the current stats :
>>
>> airmax quality - 83% airmax capacity - 80%
>>
>> here is the stations list and their signals -
>>
>> [cid:image001.jpg@01D26770.0D24CF80]
>>
>>
>> Access point is running 6.0 ; stations are 5.6.3
>> That'll change soon - maybe end of January.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a 2nd 2.4 rocket we are also monitoring - it also has 14 users on
>> it
>>
>> airmax quality is 75% airmax capacity is 70%
>>
>> also running 6.0  stations are 5.6.3
>>
>> [cid:image002.jpg@01D26770.0D24CF80]\
>>
>>
>> I am selling 10 meg packages off these access points.  In some cases
>> folks are buying more than that. Sometimes I can get 22 meg linktests
>> using the ubnt speed tests.
>>
>> I've noticed in the last week or two i've seen people disconnecting -
>>
>>
>> "i'm only getting 2 meg, this is not acceptable"
>>
>>
>> here's my favorite - a kid files a complaint against us with the bbb -
>>
>> "If you can avoid doing business with this company, I would STRONGLY
>> suggest it. This company is very sneaky, and claims that the incredibly
>> poor service and frequent downtime is simply out of their hand. They
>> offer a "completely unlimited package" for x  in which they CLAIM "as
>> much connectivity as your radio allows". After compiling data from around
>> 100+ bandwidth connections tests over the course of 6 months, with the
>> average speed 

Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[Josh Luthman]

That's why I regulate the voltage.  From as low as 19v it'll do 24v to the
gear.

Netonix does this as well.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 5, 2017 4:31 PM, "Steve D"  wrote:

> Oh, that is bloody fantastic.  Thanks for the responses guys.  I'd love to
> hear from Ubnt guys about the low end power and whether they can they
> safely hit 20v in a worst case scenario.  We really try our best to avoid
> ever going under 24v but it's nice to have wiggle room for days when
> everything goes stupid.  And much, much love for the wide range of input
> voltage because I can totally see ourselves eventually moving to 48v if we
> ever did this again.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> I've measured similar power consumption... the spec sheet is definitely
>> on the high side. I usually figure 8 watts for planning purposes, but I
>> haven't ever seen them actually draw that much. According to ubiquiti, the
>> input voltage is 19v to 53v now, but I don't think they are 802.3af
>> compliant.
>> --
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
>> behalf of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:46 PM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption
>>
>> Power consumption
>>
>> Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory POE.
>> POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.
>> I waited ~10 minutes after it booted to look. They were definitely
>> associated. It's running 33dBm EIRP @ 5240.
>>
>> 6 watt radio I would *NOT* call power hungry at all.
>>
>> They were 24v radios on the first shipment, there's a specific MAC
>> address range (very small).  These days they're 24-48 volts.  It's to the
>> point where Netonix is removing 24vh (power on 4 pairs) because AF5x was
>> the only radio that uses it and it isn't necessary but for a small number
>> of existing units.
>>
>> I think the cut off is 20v?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Adair Winter > > wrote:
>>
>>> We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than
>>> 24 though.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D  wrote:
>>>
 Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw
 up to 12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt
 something onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber
 line was *power hungry*.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3
 compliant so 48 volt.  This isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec
 sheets from airmax radios, is it?

 Cheers,

 -Steve

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>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[RickG]

Peak time now, looked at a couple running right about 10 watts on 24 volts.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> We had an extended power outage a couple months ago on a tower with two
> AF-5x radios, and the batteries got drained down to nothing. I don't
> remember exactly what the voltage got down to before we lost contact to the
> tower, but I know it was well below 20v - something like 16-17, if I
> remember right.
> --
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
> behalf of Steve D [bigd...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:31 PM
>
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption
>
> Oh, that is bloody fantastic.  Thanks for the responses guys.  I'd love to
> hear from Ubnt guys about the low end power and whether they can they
> safely hit 20v in a worst case scenario.  We really try our best to avoid
> ever going under 24v but it's nice to have wiggle room for days when
> everything goes stupid.  And much, much love for the wide range of input
> voltage because I can totally see ourselves eventually moving to 48v if we
> ever did this again.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> I've measured similar power consumption... the spec sheet is definitely
>> on the high side. I usually figure 8 watts for planning purposes, but I
>> haven't ever seen them actually draw that much. According to ubiquiti, the
>> input voltage is 19v to 53v now, but I don't think they are 802.3af
>> compliant.
>> --
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on
>> behalf of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:46 PM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption
>>
>> Power consumption
>>
>> Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory POE.
>> POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.
>> I waited ~10 minutes after it booted to look. They were definitely
>> associated. It's running 33dBm EIRP @ 5240.
>>
>> 6 watt radio I would *NOT* call power hungry at all.
>>
>> They were 24v radios on the first shipment, there's a specific MAC
>> address range (very small).  These days they're 24-48 volts.  It's to the
>> point where Netonix is removing 24vh (power on 4 pairs) because AF5x was
>> the only radio that uses it and it isn't necessary but for a small number
>> of existing units.
>>
>> I think the cut off is 20v?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Adair Winter > > wrote:
>>
>>> We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than
>>> 24 though.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D  wrote:
>>>
 Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw
 up to 12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt
 something onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber
 line was *power hungry*.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3
 compliant so 48 volt.  This isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec
 sheets from airmax radios, is it?

 Cheers,

 -Steve

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[Mathew Howard]

We had an extended power outage a couple months ago on a tower with two AF-5x 
radios, and the batteries got drained down to nothing. I don't remember exactly 
what the voltage got down to before we lost contact to the tower, but I know it 
was well below 20v - something like 16-17, if I remember right.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Steve D [bigd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 3:31 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

Oh, that is bloody fantastic.  Thanks for the responses guys.  I'd love to hear 
from Ubnt guys about the low end power and whether they can they safely hit 20v 
in a worst case scenario.  We really try our best to avoid ever going under 24v 
but it's nice to have wiggle room for days when everything goes stupid.  And 
much, much love for the wide range of input voltage because I can totally see 
ourselves eventually moving to 48v if we ever did this again.

-Steve

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
I've measured similar power consumption... the spec sheet is definitely on the 
high side. I usually figure 8 watts for planning purposes, but I haven't ever 
seen them actually draw that much. According to ubiquiti, the input voltage is 
19v to 53v now, but I don't think they are 802.3af compliant.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Josh Luthman 
[j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:46 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

Power consumption

Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory POE.
POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.
I waited ~10 minutes after it booted to look. They were definitely associated. 
It's running 33dBm EIRP @ 5240.

6 watt radio I would *NOT* call power hungry at all.

They were 24v radios on the first shipment, there's a specific MAC address 
range (very small).  These days they're 24-48 volts.  It's to the point where 
Netonix is removing 24vh (power on 4 pairs) because AF5x was the only radio 
that uses it and it isn't necessary but for a small number of existing units.

I think the cut off is 20v?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than 24 
though.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D 
> wrote:
Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw up to 
12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt something 
onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber line was power 
hungry.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3 compliant so 48 volt.  This 
isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec sheets from airmax radios, is it?

Cheers,

-Steve

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[Mathew Howard]

I've measured similar power consumption... the spec sheet is definitely on the 
high side. I usually figure 8 watts for planning purposes, but I haven't ever 
seen them actually draw that much. According to ubiquiti, the input voltage is 
19v to 53v now, but I don't think they are 802.3af compliant.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:46 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

Power consumption

Wall is 123vac. Amp meter says 0.07a. 8.61 watts. This is the factory POE.
POE spits out 24vdc. Amp meter said 0.23a. 5.52 watts.
I waited ~10 minutes after it booted to look. They were definitely associated. 
It's running 33dBm EIRP @ 5240.

6 watt radio I would *NOT* call power hungry at all.

They were 24v radios on the first shipment, there's a specific MAC address 
range (very small).  These days they're 24-48 volts.  It's to the point where 
Netonix is removing 24vh (power on 4 pairs) because AF5x was the only radio 
that uses it and it isn't necessary but for a small number of existing units.

I think the cut off is 20v?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than 24 
though.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D 
> wrote:
Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw up to 
12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt something 
onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber line was power 
hungry.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3 compliant so 48 volt.  This 
isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec sheets from airmax radios, is it?

Cheers,

-Steve

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Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[Jerry Head]

I would advise against putting 6.0 on XM APs. As they drop subs with 
that version.

A reboot gets them back but...yuck.

On 1/5/2017 10:39 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Just try going to 6.0 first on AP and STA and see if it improves. Also 
make sure you Airview scan that you're on the best channel.



On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:17 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on
this?
back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg
packages on 2.4 rockets with these numbers?
should the radios be able to do that?
do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)
maybe i will lol

- Original Message -
*From:* RickG 
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
*Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a
wisp

Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It
comes & goes and so far I have not been able to pinpoint it.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick
> wrote:

Jay,

We get these complaints from customers and I have always
ignored it as long as everything looks fine from our end.
But this has increased significantly since the Virus and
5.6.x firmware and I think we need to critically look at
it and not dismiss it. There is no way a ton of customers
can be hallucinating at the same time

The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the
internet goes off and on especially if you are on the DFS
band.

Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??


Regards


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:

oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to
our lowest package today and said "do not upgrade him
even if he asks"
we suspect he'll visit his parents more :)
base package is 3 meg

- Original Message -
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller

*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:40 PM
*Subject:* [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love
being a wisp

We've got an average of 14 users on our 2.4
rockets.  10 mhz channels.  some are sectors, some
are omnis.
Currently one 2.4 rocket has 13 connections (one
guy dropped for t-mobile??!!)   I guess that makes
sense, no one
else has t-mobile down here - so here are the
current stats :
airmax quality - 83%
airmax capacity - 80%
here is the stations list and their signals -
Access point is running 6.0 ; stations are 5.6.3
That'll change soon - maybe end of January.
I have a 2nd 2.4 rocket we are also monitoring -
it also has 14 users on it
airmax quality is 75%
airmax capacity is 70%
also running 6.0  stations are 5.6.3
\
I am selling 10 meg packages off these access
points.  In some cases folks are buying more than
that.
Sometimes I can get 22 meg linktests using the
ubnt speed tests.

I've noticed in the last week or two i've seen
people disconnecting -
"i'm only getting 2 meg, this is not acceptable"
here's my favorite - a kid files a complaint
against us with the bbb -

"If you can avoid doing business with this
company, I would STRONGLY suggest it. This company
is very sneaky, and claims that the incredibly
poor service and frequent downtime is simply out
of their hand. They offer a "completely unlimited
package" for x  in which they CLAIM "as much
connectivity as your radio allows". After
compiling data from around 100+ bandwidth
connections tests over the course of 6 months,
with the average speed being 

Re: [Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[Adair Winter]

We run them at 24 and 48 volts no problem. never tried them on less than 24
though.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Steve D  wrote:

> Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw up
> to 12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt
> something onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber
> line was *power hungry*.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3
> compliant so 48 volt.  This isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec
> sheets from airmax radios, is it?
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Steve
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[Ubnt_users] Airfiber 5x power consumption

[Steve D]

Spec sheet says they'll take an input voltage between 19-29v and draw up to
12watts.  Anyone able to tell me how true this is?  Looking to bolt
something onto a solar site, and I was under the impression the airfiber
line was *power hungry*.  Plus, I could have sworn they were af802.3
compliant so 48 volt.  This isn't a case of someone copy pasting spec
sheets from airmax radios, is it?

Cheers,

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Re: [Ubnt_users] FW 6.0 on LocoM900

[Mitch]

At this point I'm scared to push it out to

anymore of my 2.4 gear

Mitch Koep

218-851-8689 cell


On 01/05/2017 02:14 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:


We have now started to see M5 NanoStations having some issues as 
well.  We have not rolled any of them back but have a truck roll to go 
fix one tomorrow.  Some NanoBridges too. Funny part is our M2 tower we 
did is working fine.


*Steve Barnes*

Wireless Operations Manager

*New Lisbon Broadband*

*NLBC.COM*

*PCSWIN.COM*

765-584-2288 ext:1101

*From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mitch

*Sent:* Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:13 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group ; James Craig 


*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] FW 6.0 on LocoM900

We are seeing the same thing but includes 2.4 nano and some AG2's (not 
all and not xm or xw specific)


also the 2.4 clients will work for awhile then stop passing traffic 
until truck roll reboot


Also RM9 upgraded to 6.0 one client works fine second client will not 
pass traffic no


matter the firmware. This did NOT change when RM9 down graded back to 
5.5.10 not 5.6.9


Also use care in upgrading 5Ghz and AC see strange issues as well down 
grading everything


back to 5.6.9 and some to 5.5.10 to get things working again

6.0 got bloody

Wierd!

Mitch

On 01/05/2017 11:25 AM, David Kunat wrote:

Very similar issue here. Just bricked two m900's


On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:59 AM, James Craig via Ubnt_users
> wrote:

Hey Steve,

Thanks for the report.  Sending you an message offline.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Steve Barnes > wrote:

Yesterday we started doing more testing on 6.0.  We
decided to test a Loco M900 upgrade here in the office
before rolling out to customers.  Glad we did.
Upgraded first radio from 5.6.9 to 6.0.  upgraded directly
plugged into radio not wirelessly. Upgrade applied and the
radio Bricked.  No matter what we would do could not get
back into radio.
Tried factory reset with button on radio, No luck.  Gave
up and tried 2nd radio.

Same scenario, upgrade proceeded as before.  Was able to
get back into radio.  Decided to factory reset from GUI to
make sure no issues.  Then this device Bricked.  Tried
more times to get back in and finally got a login.
Interesting thing was LAN light on radio would not show
connection.  Only sporadic blinking.  Flashed unit back to
5.6.9 and restarted.  Same issue.  No Lan light, and unit
takes minutes to be able to get a login and then is 10
Mbps on the LAN connection and is not stable.  Tried other
computers and POE same issue.  Have upgraded lots of M5
devices with this same system and no issues.

Ideas

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
New Lisbon Broadband
NLBC.COM 
PCSWIN.COM 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] FW 6.0 on LocoM900

[Steve Barnes]

We have now started to see M5 NanoStations having some issues as well.  We have 
not rolled any of them back but have a truck roll to go fix one tomorrow.  Some 
NanoBridges too.   Funny part is our M2 tower we did is working fine.

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
New Lisbon Broadband
NLBC.COM
PCSWIN.COM
765-584-2288 ext:1101

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mitch
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ; James Craig 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] FW 6.0 on LocoM900


We are seeing the same thing but includes 2.4 nano and some AG2's (not all and 
not xm or xw specific)

also the 2.4 clients will work for awhile then stop passing traffic until truck 
roll reboot

Also RM9 upgraded to 6.0 one client works fine second client will not pass 
traffic no

matter the firmware. This did NOT change when RM9 down graded back to 5.5.10 
not 5.6.9

Also use care in upgrading 5Ghz and AC see strange issues as well down grading 
everything

back to 5.6.9 and some to 5.5.10 to get things working again

6.0 got bloody



Wierd!

Mitch

On 01/05/2017 11:25 AM, David Kunat wrote:
Very similar issue here. Just bricked two m900's

On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:59 AM, James Craig via Ubnt_users 
> wrote:
Hey Steve,

Thanks for the report.  Sending you an message offline.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Steve Barnes 
> wrote:
Yesterday we started doing more testing on 6.0.  We decided to test a Loco M900 
upgrade here in the office before rolling out to customers.  Glad we did.
Upgraded first radio from 5.6.9 to 6.0.  upgraded directly plugged into radio 
not wirelessly.  Upgrade applied and the radio Bricked.  No matter what we 
would do could not get back into radio.
Tried factory reset with button on radio, No luck.  Gave up and tried 2nd radio.

Same scenario, upgrade proceeded as before.  Was able to get back into radio.  
Decided to factory reset from GUI to make sure no issues.  Then this device 
Bricked.  Tried more times to get back in and finally got a login. Interesting 
thing was LAN light on radio would not show connection.  Only sporadic 
blinking.  Flashed unit back to 5.6.9 and restarted.  Same issue.  No Lan 
light, and unit takes minutes to be able to get a login and then is 10 Mbps on 
the LAN connection and is not stable.  Tried other computers and POE same 
issue.  Have upgraded lots of M5 devices with this same system and no issues.

Ideas

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
New Lisbon Broadband
NLBC.COM
PCSWIN.COM
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Re: [Ubnt_users] FW 6.0 on LocoM900

[Mitch]

We are seeing the same thing but includes 2.4 nano and some AG2's (not 
all and not xm or xw specific)


also the 2.4 clients will work for awhile then stop passing traffic 
until truck roll reboot


Also RM9 upgraded to 6.0 one client works fine second client will not 
pass traffic no


matter the firmware. This did NOT change when RM9 down graded back to 
5.5.10 not 5.6.9


Also use care in upgrading 5Ghz and AC see strange issues as well down 
grading everything


back to 5.6.9 and some to 5.5.10 to get things working again

6.0 got bloody


Wierd!

Mitch


On 01/05/2017 11:25 AM, David Kunat wrote:

Very similar issue here. Just bricked two m900's

On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:59 AM, James Craig via Ubnt_users 
> wrote:



Hey Steve,

Thanks for the report.  Sending you an message offline.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Steve Barnes > wrote:


Yesterday we started doing more testing on 6.0.  We decided to
test a Loco M900 upgrade here in the office before rolling out to
customers.  Glad we did.
Upgraded first radio from 5.6.9 to 6.0.  upgraded directly
plugged into radio not wirelessly.  Upgrade applied and the radio
Bricked.  No matter what we would do could not get back into radio.
Tried factory reset with button on radio, No luck.  Gave up and
tried 2nd radio.

Same scenario, upgrade proceeded as before.  Was able to get back
into radio.  Decided to factory reset from GUI to make sure no
issues.  Then this device Bricked. Tried more times to get back
in and finally got a login. Interesting thing was LAN light on
radio would not show connection.  Only sporadic blinking. 
Flashed unit back to 5.6.9 and restarted.  Same issue.  No Lan

light, and unit takes minutes to be able to get a login and then
is 10 Mbps on the LAN connection and is not stable.  Tried other
computers and POE same issue.  Have upgraded lots of M5 devices
with this same system and no issues.

Ideas

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
New Lisbon Broadband
NLBC.COM 
PCSWIN.COM 
765-584-2288 ext:1101 


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Re: [Ubnt_users] FW 6.0 on LocoM900

[RickG]

James, Please send me the same message offline too.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:59 AM, James Craig via Ubnt_users <
ubnt_users@wispa.org> wrote:

> Hey Steve,
>
> Thanks for the report.  Sending you an message offline.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>
>> Yesterday we started doing more testing on 6.0.  We decided to test a
>> Loco M900 upgrade here in the office before rolling out to customers.  Glad
>> we did.
>> Upgraded first radio from 5.6.9 to 6.0.  upgraded directly plugged into
>> radio not wirelessly.  Upgrade applied and the radio Bricked.  No matter
>> what we would do could not get back into radio.
>> Tried factory reset with button on radio, No luck.  Gave up and tried 2nd
>> radio.
>>
>> Same scenario, upgrade proceeded as before.  Was able to get back into
>> radio.  Decided to factory reset from GUI to make sure no issues.  Then
>> this device Bricked.  Tried more times to get back in and finally got a
>> login. Interesting thing was LAN light on radio would not show connection.
>> Only sporadic blinking.  Flashed unit back to 5.6.9 and restarted.  Same
>> issue.  No Lan light, and unit takes minutes to be able to get a login and
>> then is 10 Mbps on the LAN connection and is not stable.  Tried other
>> computers and POE same issue.  Have upgraded lots of M5 devices with this
>> same system and no issues.
>>
>> Ideas
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> Wireless Operations Manager
>> New Lisbon Broadband
>> NLBC.COM
>> PCSWIN.COM
>> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
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Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[Kevin Lamothe]

I would also look at a spectrum scan outside the 2.4GHz band.

Had problems at a few sites with really loud LTE in 2.3 & 2.65GHz bands. 
My units saw it at about -15 to -30.

These radios do not have proper filtering. Loud out of band emissions 
will cause the AGC to go into overload.

I fixed a few sites by installing bandpass filters that only allow ISM 
frequencies and putting the rocket unit into a small metal enclosure. 
Can't wait until the Prism AC2 stuff is released.

This is also a problem with 900MHz. Loud noise at the upper 800MHz band 
causes problems. I've been using bandpass filters with Cambium's 45 
degree antennas, seems to have worked wonders for us. I hope Ubiquiti 
will come out with a 900MHz solution in AC or their new LTU platform 
that has proper filtering.


On 1/5/2017 12:51, Mathew Howard wrote:
> I haven't tried using the ubnt speed test in years, but I always 
> considered it to be pretty much worthless. Perhaps it's better than it 
> used to be, I don't know.
>
> I think 10Mbps is probably pushing it a bit. With clean channels and 
> 20mhz channels, I wouldn't think twice about selling 10 meg service on 
> UBNT M gear, but on 10mhz channels everything has to be almost perfect 
> to get that kind of speeds or a few heavy users with less than perfect 
> connections can kill it... and around here, 2.4ghz is just too noisy 
> these days.
>
> I wouldn't do that high of speeds on 2.4ghz around here, but given the 
> right conditions, it's certainly possible.
> 
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on 
> behalf of ty...@wigi.us [ty...@wigi.us]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 05, 2017 11:20 AM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>
> Im no expert on the matter so probably shouldnt chime 
> inBut, Ive never gone off of what a ubnt speed test shows, 
> always considered not very accurate.  Ive put cheaper mikrotiks at my 
> problem childs house (customers who complain) before and tested 
> connections that way though cause mikrotiks use iperf which in my 
> experience is more accurate.  That being said I personally like to go 
> to the customers house having the problem and take their que out to 
> see what kind of speed they are capable of not metered.  Also as 
> stated earlier 95% of the time when a whole AP isnt performing up to 
> par doing an airview and picking a cleaner channel or swapping 
> channels has resolved most of our issues.  Especially on 2.4  I wish 
> all of our stuff was 5.8 not half the problems with interference or 
> performance.
>
> - Original Message -
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> Date: 1/5/17 12:03 pm
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
>
> Ok - I appreciate your opinion.  I did provide my bandwidth graphs
> - they are no where near 40-50 meg - although I am using 10 mhz
> channels, so i am assuming I could expect 25 meg or so.  In
> theory, no one is goin to be maxxing out their connection.  They
> may have 10 meg available to them but they're going to be using 4
> meg.  Sometimes 6 if they're streaming more than one tv.  Lets say
> 6 of the 14 are streaming - that is 24 meg - and the usage graph
> does not show they're getting there.
> Let me ask this in a different way.  During "peak" times - lets
> say 9 pm at night - should the ubnt speed test to the customer in
> duplex mode be more or less accurate?
> Thanks :)
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Tim Kerns 
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:58 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a
> wisp
> In my opinion, anyone  that is selling 10 meg packages on UBNT
> AP’s (except 5 gig AC’s) is pushing it.
> In a point to point I can get 100 meg between the 2 radios. In
> a Multipoint environment, the best you will see is 40-50 megs
> aggregate (using 20 meg channels) for the AP.
> So how many 10 meg customers can you put on it? and if the
> ones on there are streaming video, and HD Net flick @ 6 megs.
> I just love the WISP selling 40 megs to customers using UBNT
> gear and then expect to get 10-20 clients on it.
> Also, remember the Rocket M’s have 100 meg Ethernet and it
> won’t pass more than 100 megs.
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:17 AM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a
> wisp
> will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment
>   

Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't tried using the ubnt speed test in years, but I always considered it 
to be pretty much worthless. Perhaps it's better than it used to be, I don't 
know.

I think 10Mbps is probably pushing it a bit. With clean channels and 20mhz 
channels, I wouldn't think twice about selling 10 meg service on UBNT M gear, 
but on 10mhz channels everything has to be almost perfect to get that kind of 
speeds or a few heavy users with less than perfect connections can kill it... 
and around here, 2.4ghz is just too noisy these days.

I wouldn't do that high of speeds on 2.4ghz around here, but given the right 
conditions, it's certainly possible.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
ty...@wigi.us [ty...@wigi.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 11:20 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

Im no expert on the matter so probably shouldnt chime inBut, Ive 
never gone off of what a ubnt speed test shows, always considered not very 
accurate.  Ive put cheaper mikrotiks at my problem childs house (customers who 
complain) before and tested connections that way though cause mikrotiks use 
iperf which in my experience is more accurate.  That being said I personally 
like to go to the customers house having the problem and take their que out to 
see what kind of speed they are capable of not metered.  Also as stated earlier 
95% of the time when a whole AP isnt performing up to par doing an airview and 
picking a cleaner channel or swapping channels has resolved most of our issues. 
 Especially on 2.4  I wish all of our stuff was 5.8 not half the problems with 
interference or performance.

- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
Date: 1/5/17 12:03 pm
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 


Ok - I appreciate your opinion.  I did provide my bandwidth graphs - they are 
no where near 40-50 meg - although I am using 10 mhz channels, so i am assuming 
I could expect 25 meg or so.  In theory, no one is goin to be maxxing out their 
connection.  They may have 10 meg available to them but they're going to be 
using 4 meg.  Sometimes 6 if they're streaming more than one tv.  Lets say 6 of 
the 14 are streaming - that is 24 meg - and the usage graph does not show 
they're getting there.

Let me ask this in a different way.  During "peak" times - lets say 9 pm at 
night - should the ubnt speed test to the customer in duplex mode be more or 
less accurate?

Thanks :)


- Original Message -
From: Tim Kerns
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

In my opinion, anyone  that is selling 10 meg packages on UBNT AP’s (except 5 
gig AC’s) is pushing it.

In a point to point I can get 100 meg between the 2 radios. In a Multipoint 
environment, the best you will see is 40-50 megs aggregate (using 20 meg 
channels) for the AP.
So how many 10 meg customers can you put on it? and if the ones on there are 
streaming video, and HD Net flick @ 6 megs.

I just love the WISP selling 40 megs to customers using UBNT gear and then 
expect to get 10-20 clients on it.

Also, remember the Rocket M’s have 100 meg Ethernet and it won’t pass more 
than 100 megs.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:17 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp


will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on this?
back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg packages on 2.4 
rockets with these numbers?
should the radios be able to do that?
do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)

maybe i will lol


- Original Message -
From: RickG
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes & goes and so 
far I have not been able to pinpoint it.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick  wrote:
Jay,

We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it as long as 
everything looks fine from our end.
But this has increased significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware and I 
think we need to critically look at it and not dismiss it. There is no way a 
ton of customers can be hallucinating at the same time

The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet goes off 
and on especially if you are on the DFS band.

Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??


Regards


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest package 

Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[Scott Lambert]

With the client signals and noise figure posted, I would guess that these 
sectors will run out of steam around 10-16 mbps.

The customers with 26mbps air rate can destroy total throughput when they 
decide to use the Internet.   Your ubnt speed tests to the better signal 
clients may show 30 mbps.  Ubnt may prioritize that traffic at the AP. I don't 
know.

-68 just isn't good enough.  Of course, it all depends on which customers are 
moving bits at any particular time.   I think you have signal issues more than 
firmware issues. 

>From your bandwidth graphs, i would say ap1 is doing okay, your users aren't 
>too heavy for the 24 hour period.  ap2 is done.
The modulations look better than ap1, but you probably have more interference 
to have the lower amc/amq.

I expect my 10 mhz 2.4 Ghz APs to have 13 mbps of achievable throughout.  The 
customers are treed up and there is quite a bit of noise visible at the towers. 


On January 5, 2017 10:17:45 AM CST, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:
>
>will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on this?
>back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg
>packages on 2.4 rockets with these numbers?
>should the radios be able to do that?
>
>do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)
>
>maybe i will lol
>
>
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: RickG 
>  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
>  Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>
>
>Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes & goes
>and so far I have not been able to pinpoint it.
>
>
>On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick  wrote:
>
>Jay,
>
>
>We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it as
>long as everything looks fine from our end.
>But this has increased significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware
>and I think we need to critically look at it and not dismiss it. There
>is no way a ton of customers can be hallucinating at the same time
>
>
>The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet
>goes off and on especially if you are on the DFS band.
>
>
>Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??
>
>
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:
>
>
>oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest
>package today and said "do not upgrade him even if he asks"
>  we suspect he'll visit his parents more :)
>  base package is 3 meg
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
>To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:40 PM
>Subject: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>
>
>
>We've got an average of 14 users on our 2.4 rockets.  10 mhz channels. 
>some are sectors, some are omnis.
>
>Currently one 2.4 rocket has 13 connections (one guy dropped for
>t-mobile??!!)   I guess that makes sense, no one
>  else has t-mobile down here - so here are the current stats :
>
>airmax quality - 83%
>airmax capacity - 80%
>
>here is the stations list and their signals - 
>
>
>
>Access point is running 6.0 ; stations are 5.6.3  
>That'll change soon - maybe end of January.
>
>
>I have a 2nd 2.4 rocket we are also monitoring - it also has 14 users
>on it
>
>airmax quality is 75%
>airmax capacity is 70%
>
>also running 6.0  stations are 5.6.3
>
>\
>
>I am selling 10 meg packages off these access points.  In some cases
>folks are buying more than that.
>   Sometimes I can get 22 meg linktests using the ubnt speed tests.
>
> I've noticed in the last week or two i've seen people disconnecting - 
>
>"i'm only getting 2 meg, this is not acceptable"
>
>here's my favorite - a kid files a complaint against us with the bbb - 
>
>"If you can avoid doing business with this company, I would STRONGLY
>suggest it. This company is very sneaky, and claims that the incredibly
>poor service and frequent downtime is simply out of their hand. They
>offer a "completely unlimited package" for x  in which they CLAIM
>"as much connectivity as your radio allows". After compiling data from
>around 100+ bandwidth connections tests over the course of 6 months,
>with the average speed being around 7Mbits (896 kilobytes). The pricing
>is not even close to reflecting the service, the cap on the xx 
>package is 10Mbits, so I am not even reaching the average on that. I
>can only say that the highest tier package is nothing short of a scam.
>Whenever I called to complain about this outrageous service, I was told
>that it was too bad, and that nothing will be done. xx is a
>conman, relying on shady business tactics to further his greed."
>
>btw - i can't recall any downtime within the last year and, well, i
>just love human beings.
>
>i am wondering - - 

Re: [Ubnt_users] FW 6.0 on LocoM900

[David Kunat]

Very similar issue here. Just bricked two m900's

> On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:59 AM, James Craig via Ubnt_users  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Steve,
> 
> Thanks for the report.  Sending you an message offline.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Yesterday we started doing more testing on 6.0.  We decided to test a Loco 
>> M900 upgrade here in the office before rolling out to customers.  Glad we 
>> did.
>> Upgraded first radio from 5.6.9 to 6.0.  upgraded directly plugged into 
>> radio not wirelessly.  Upgrade applied and the radio Bricked.  No matter 
>> what we would do could not get back into radio.
>> Tried factory reset with button on radio, No luck.  Gave up and tried 2nd 
>> radio.
>> 
>> Same scenario, upgrade proceeded as before.  Was able to get back into 
>> radio.  Decided to factory reset from GUI to make sure no issues.  Then this 
>> device Bricked.  Tried more times to get back in and finally got a login. 
>> Interesting thing was LAN light on radio would not show connection.  Only 
>> sporadic blinking.  Flashed unit back to 5.6.9 and restarted.  Same issue.  
>> No Lan light, and unit takes minutes to be able to get a login and then is 
>> 10 Mbps on the LAN connection and is not stable.  Tried other computers and 
>> POE same issue.  Have upgraded lots of M5 devices with this same system and 
>> no issues.
>> 
>> Ideas
>> 
>> Steve Barnes
>> Wireless Operations Manager
>> New Lisbon Broadband
>> NLBC.COM
>> PCSWIN.COM
>> 765-584-2288 ext:1101
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[tyson]

Im no expert on the matter so probably shouldnt chime inBut, Ive 
never gone off of what a ubnt speed test shows, always considered not very 
accurate.  Ive put cheaper mikrotiks at my problem childs house (customers who 
complain) before and tested connections that way though cause mikrotiks use 
iperf which in my experience is more accurate.  That being said I personally 
like to go to the customers house having the problem and take their que out to 
see what kind of speed they are capable of not metered.  Also as stated earlier 
95% of the time when a whole AP isnt performing up to par doing an airview and 
picking a cleaner channel or swapping channels has resolved most of our issues. 
 Especially on 2.4  I wish all of our stuff was 5.8 not half the problems with 
interference or performance.
 
- Original Message - Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. 
gotta love being a wisp
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
Date: 1/5/17 12:03 pm
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 

  
Ok - I appreciate your opinion.  I did provide my bandwidth graphs - they are 
no where near 40-50 meg - although I am using 10 mhz channels, so i am assuming 
I could expect 25 meg or so.  In theory, no one is goin to be maxxing out their 
connection.  They may have 10 meg available to them but they're going to be 
using 4 meg.  Sometimes 6 if they're streaming more than one tv.  Lets say 6 of 
the 14 are streaming - that is 24 meg - and the usage graph does not show 
they're getting there. 
 
Let me ask this in a different way.  During "peak" times - lets say 9 pm at 
night - should the ubnt speed test to the customer in duplex mode be more or 
less accurate?  
 
Thanks :)
 
 
 - Original Message -
From: Tim Kerns
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
 
In my opinion, anyone  that is selling 10 meg packages on UBNT AP's (except 5 
gig AC's) is pushing it.
 
In a point to point I can get 100 meg between the 2 radios. In a Multipoint 
environment, the best you will see is 40-50 megs aggregate (using 20 meg 
channels) for the AP.
So how many 10 meg customers can you put on it? and if the ones on there are 
streaming video, and HD Net flick @ 6 megs.
 
I just love the WISP selling 40 megs to customers using UBNT gear and then 
expect to get 10-20 clients on it.
 
Also, remember the Rocket M's have 100 meg Ethernet and it won't pass more 
than 100 megs.
 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:17 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp


 

 
will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on this?
back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg packages on 2.4 
rockets with these numbers?
should the radios be able to do that?

do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)
 
maybe i will lol
 
 
 - Original Message -
From: RickG
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
 
Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes & goes and so 
far I have not been able to pinpoint it.
 
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick  wrote:
  Jay,  
We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it as long as 
everything looks fine from our end.
But this has increased significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware and I 
think we need to critically look at it and not dismiss it. There is no way a 
ton of customers can be hallucinating at the same time
 
The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet goes off 
and on especially if you are on the DFS band.
 
Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??
 
 
Regards
 

 
On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest package today 
and said "do not upgrade him even if he asks"
we suspect he'll visit his parents more :)
base package is 3 meg
 
 
 - Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:40 PM
Subject: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
 
 
We've got an average of 14 users on our 2.4 rockets.  10 mhz channels.  some 
are sectors, some are omnis.
 
Currently one 2.4 rocket has 13 connections (one guy dropped for t-mobile??!!)  
 I guess that makes sense, no one
else has t-mobile down here - so here are the current stats :
 
airmax quality - 83%
airmax capacity - 80%
 
here is the stations list and their signals - 
 

 
Access point is running 6.0 ; stations are 5.6.3  
That'll change soon - maybe end of January.
 
 
I have a 2nd 2.4 rocket we are also monitoring - it also has 14 users on it
 
airmax quality is 75%
airmax capacity is 70%
 
also running 6.0  

Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Ok - I appreciate your opinion.  I did provide my bandwidth graphs - they are 
no where near 40-50 meg - although I am using 10 mhz channels, so i am assuming 
I could expect 25 meg or so.  In theory, no one is goin to be maxxing out their 
connection.  They may have 10 meg available to them but they're going to be 
using 4 meg.  Sometimes 6 if they're streaming more than one tv.  Lets say 6 of 
the 14 are streaming - that is 24 meg - and the usage graph does not show 
they're getting there. 

Let me ask this in a different way.  During "peak" times - lets say 9 pm at 
night - should the ubnt speed test to the customer in duplex mode be more or 
less accurate?  

Thanks :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kerns 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp


  In my opinion, anyone  that is selling 10 meg packages on UBNT AP’s (except 5 
gig AC’s) is pushing it.

  In a point to point I can get 100 meg between the 2 radios. In a Multipoint 
environment, the best you will see is 40-50 megs aggregate (using 20 meg 
channels) for the AP.
  So how many 10 meg customers can you put on it? and if the ones on there are 
streaming video, and HD Net flick @ 6 megs.

  I just love the WISP selling 40 megs to customers using UBNT gear and then 
expect to get 10-20 clients on it.

  Also, remember the Rocket M’s have 100 meg Ethernet and it won’t pass 
more than 100 megs.

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 8:17 AM
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp


  will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on this?
  back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg packages on 
2.4 rockets with these numbers?
  should the radios be able to do that?

  do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)

  maybe i will lol


- Original Message - 
From: RickG 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes & goes and 
so far I have not been able to pinpoint it.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick  wrote:

  Jay, 

  We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it as 
long as everything looks fine from our end.
  But this has increased significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware 
and I think we need to critically look at it and not dismiss it. There is no 
way a ton of customers can be hallucinating at the same time

  The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet goes 
off and on especially if you are on the DFS band.

  Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??


  Regards


  On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest 
package today and said "do not upgrade him even if he asks"
we suspect he'll visit his parents more :)
base package is 3 meg


  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp


  We've got an average of 14 users on our 2.4 rockets.  10 mhz 
channels.  some are sectors, some are omnis.

  Currently one 2.4 rocket has 13 connections (one guy dropped for 
t-mobile??!!)   I guess that makes sense, no one
  else has t-mobile down here - so here are the current stats :

  airmax quality - 83%
  airmax capacity - 80%

  here is the stations list and their signals - 



  Access point is running 6.0 ; stations are 5.6.3  
  That'll change soon - maybe end of January.


  I have a 2nd 2.4 rocket we are also monitoring - it also has 14 users 
on it

  airmax quality is 75%
  airmax capacity is 70%

  also running 6.0  stations are 5.6.3

  \

  I am selling 10 meg packages off these access points.  In some cases 
folks are buying more than that.
  Sometimes I can get 22 meg linktests using the ubnt speed tests.

  I've noticed in the last week or two i've seen people disconnecting - 

  "i'm only getting 2 meg, this is not acceptable"

  here's my favorite - a kid files a complaint against us with the bbb 
- 

  "If you can avoid doing business with this company, I would STRONGLY 
suggest it. This company is very sneaky, and claims that the incredibly poor 
service and frequent downtime is simply out of their hand. They offer a 
"completely unlimited package" for x  in which they CLAIM "as much 
connectivity as your radio allows". 

Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[Darin Steffl]

Just try going to 6.0 first on AP and STA and see if it improves. Also make
sure you Airview scan that you're on the best channel.


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:17 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on this?
> back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg packages
> on 2.4 rockets with these numbers?
> should the radios be able to do that?
> do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)
>
> maybe i will lol
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* RickG 
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>
> Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes & goes and
> so far I have not been able to pinpoint it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick  wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it as
>> long as everything looks fine from our end.
>> But this has increased significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware
>> and I think we need to critically look at it and not dismiss it. There is
>> no way a ton of customers can be hallucinating at the same time
>>
>> The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet goes
>> off and on especially if you are on the DFS band.
>>
>> Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest package
>>> today and said "do not upgrade him even if he asks"
>>> we suspect he'll visit his parents more :)
>>> base package is 3 meg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:40 PM
>>> *Subject:* [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp
>>>
>>>
>>> We've got an average of 14 users on our 2.4 rockets.  10 mhz channels.
>>> some are sectors, some are omnis.
>>>
>>> Currently one 2.4 rocket has 13 connections (one guy dropped for
>>> t-mobile??!!)   I guess that makes sense, no one
>>> else has t-mobile down here - so here are the current stats :
>>>
>>> airmax quality - 83%
>>> airmax capacity - 80%
>>>
>>> here is the stations list and their signals -
>>>
>>>
>>> Access point is running 6.0 ; stations are 5.6.3
>>> That'll change soon - maybe end of January.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a 2nd 2.4 rocket we are also monitoring - it also has 14 users on
>>> it
>>>
>>> airmax quality is 75%
>>> airmax capacity is 70%
>>>
>>> also running 6.0  stations are 5.6.3
>>>
>>> \
>>>
>>> I am selling 10 meg packages off these access points.  In some cases
>>> folks are buying more than that.
>>> Sometimes I can get 22 meg linktests using the ubnt speed tests.
>>>
>>> I've noticed in the last week or two i've seen people disconnecting -
>>>
>>> "i'm only getting 2 meg, this is not acceptable"
>>>
>>> here's my favorite - a kid files a complaint against us with the bbb -
>>>
>>> "If you can avoid doing business with this company, I would STRONGLY
>>> suggest it. This company is very sneaky, and claims that the incredibly
>>> poor service and frequent downtime is simply out of their hand. They offer
>>> a "completely unlimited package" for x  in which they CLAIM "as much
>>> connectivity as your radio allows". After compiling data from around 100+
>>> bandwidth connections tests over the course of 6 months, with the average
>>> speed being around 7Mbits (896 kilobytes). The pricing is not even close to
>>> reflecting the service, the cap on the xx  package is 10Mbits, so I am
>>> not even reaching the average on that. I can only say that the highest tier
>>> package is nothing short of a scam. Whenever I called to complain about
>>> this outrageous service, I was told that it was too bad, and that nothing
>>> will be done. xx is a conman, relying on shady business tactics
>>> to further his greed."
>>>
>>> btw - i can't recall any downtime within the last year and, well, i just
>>> love human beings.
>>>
>>> i am wondering - - am i asking too much out of these access points?
>>>
>>> usage graphed -
>>>
>>> access point 1 -
>>>
>>>
>>> access point #2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> btw - i should add the kid who filed the complaint lives in his parents
>>> barn (yes, i said barn) and has
>>> his own connection separate from his parents.
>>>
>>> question - am i asking too much of these access points?
>>>
>>> yes - i'm waiting on the rocket 2ac prism - - and these are our two
>>> busiest 2.4 rockets - - but
>>> i am also getting complaints on other parts of our network.
>>>
>>> ok - thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> 

Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

will play with 5.6.9 later today - anyone else able to comment on this?
back to the initial question - am i trying too hard with 10 meg packages on 2.4 
rockets with these numbers?
should the radios be able to do that?

do i need to go post in ubnt forums? :)

maybe i will lol


  - Original Message - 
  From: RickG 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp


  Yes and the time frame matches the 5.6.x FW suspicion. It comes & goes and so 
far I have not been able to pinpoint it.


  On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Ken Patrick  wrote:

Jay,


We get these complaints from customers and I have always ignored it as long 
as everything looks fine from our end.
But this has increased significantly since the Virus and 5.6.x firmware and 
I think we need to critically look at it and not dismiss it. There is no way a 
ton of customers can be hallucinating at the same time


The complaints are usually in the form of its slow or  the internet goes 
off and on especially if you are on the DFS band.


Is anyone else experiencing this kinds of complaints ??




Regards




On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


  oh, if you're wondering, management downgraded him to our lowest package 
today and said "do not upgrade him even if he asks"
  we suspect he'll visit his parents more :)
  base package is 3 meg


- Original Message - 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:40 PM
Subject: [Ubnt_users] 2.4 throughput. gotta love being a wisp



We've got an average of 14 users on our 2.4 rockets.  10 mhz channels.  
some are sectors, some are omnis.

Currently one 2.4 rocket has 13 connections (one guy dropped for 
t-mobile??!!)   I guess that makes sense, no one
else has t-mobile down here - so here are the current stats :

airmax quality - 83%
airmax capacity - 80%

here is the stations list and their signals - 



Access point is running 6.0 ; stations are 5.6.3  
That'll change soon - maybe end of January.


I have a 2nd 2.4 rocket we are also monitoring - it also has 14 users 
on it

airmax quality is 75%
airmax capacity is 70%

also running 6.0  stations are 5.6.3

\

I am selling 10 meg packages off these access points.  In some cases 
folks are buying more than that.
Sometimes I can get 22 meg linktests using the ubnt speed tests.

I've noticed in the last week or two i've seen people disconnecting - 

"i'm only getting 2 meg, this is not acceptable"

here's my favorite - a kid files a complaint against us with the bbb - 

"If you can avoid doing business with this company, I would STRONGLY 
suggest it. This company is very sneaky, and claims that the incredibly poor 
service and frequent downtime is simply out of their hand. They offer a 
"completely unlimited package" for x  in which they CLAIM "as much 
connectivity as your radio allows". After compiling data from around 100+ 
bandwidth connections tests over the course of 6 months, with the average speed 
being around 7Mbits (896 kilobytes). The pricing is not even close to 
reflecting the service, the cap on the xx  package is 10Mbits, so I am not 
even reaching the average on that. I can only say that the highest tier package 
is nothing short of a scam. Whenever I called to complain about this outrageous 
service, I was told that it was too bad, and that nothing will be done. 
xx is a conman, relying on shady business tactics to further his 
greed."

btw - i can't recall any downtime within the last year and, well, i 
just love human beings.

i am wondering - - am i asking too much out of these access points?

usage graphed - 

access point 1 - 



access point #2




btw - i should add the kid who filed the complaint lives in his parents 
barn (yes, i said barn) and has
his own connection separate from his parents.

question - am i asking too much of these access points?

yes - i'm waiting on the rocket 2ac prism - - and these are our two 
busiest 2.4 rockets - - but 
i am also getting complaints on other parts of our network.   

ok - thanks in advance.


 


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[Ubnt_users] FW 6.0 on LocoM900

[Steve Barnes]

Yesterday we started doing more testing on 6.0.  We decided to test a Loco M900 
upgrade here in the office before rolling out to customers.  Glad we did.
Upgraded first radio from 5.6.9 to 6.0.  upgraded directly plugged into radio 
not wirelessly.  Upgrade applied and the radio Bricked.  No matter what we 
would do could not get back into radio.
Tried factory reset with button on radio, No luck.  Gave up and tried 2nd radio.

Same scenario, upgrade proceeded as before.  Was able to get back into radio.  
Decided to factory reset from GUI to make sure no issues.  Then this device 
Bricked.  Tried more times to get back in and finally got a login. Interesting 
thing was LAN light on radio would not show connection.  Only sporadic 
blinking.  Flashed unit back to 5.6.9 and restarted.  Same issue.  No Lan 
light, and unit takes minutes to be able to get a login and then is 10 Mbps on 
the LAN connection and is not stable.  Tried other computers and POE same 
issue.  Have upgraded lots of M5 devices with this same system and no issues.

Ideas

Steve Barnes
Wireless Operations Manager
New Lisbon Broadband
NLBC.COM
PCSWIN.COM
765-584-2288 ext:1101

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