Re: Unicode
On 05/11/2014 10:31 PM, Alain Farmer wrote: Hello, I am using version 6.1.0-rc-1 (Desktop) None of the unicode stuff works [for me]: * set the useUnicode to true * the unicodeText of field * the unicodeFormattedText of field No error messages; just empty. Can anyone give me a clue as to what to do ? Thanks, Alain Is this really the version you're using? That version is almost a year old and has been superseded by several newer versions. Is this stuff that works for you in other versions of LiveCode but not in the version you want to use now? Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.0 dp 5
On 05/25/2014 10:29 AM, Richmond wrote: Problems: 1. The menubar (Linux) states it it dp 4. 2. Still unable to put an insertion point into the search fields in the Dictionary and RevOnline. 3. Double-clicking on a control in the toolbar does nothing. 4. Unable to switch back and forth between Browse and Point except via the menubar. These problems were all there in dp 3 Effectively unusable at the moment. Richmond. It shows the same build number in the About screen. You have to wonder exactly where the mixup is. As before, I don't find any of the problems running this in openSUSE that you have there. It is possible these are system isolated problems or perhaps distro specific. You should consider filing a bug report with all system specific information as you can imagine might be relevant. To the devs -- it seems with recent changes some Linux users are having new issues with dependencies where they had previously been running LiveCode without problems. Might it be possible to provide a script which checks for all known requirements as well as any suggested libs (making sure to distinguish 32 and 64 bit versions as necessary!) and lists them as installed or missing, in a format a little less cryptic than running 'ldd'? Something like this could save a lot of head scratching and frustration! I don't know that the problems Richmond is experiencing are related to this sort of problem, but in many other reported instances of troubles, being able to easily and definitively identify missing libs would have been an enormous boon. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.0 dp 5
On 05/25/2014 11:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: or wait for an actual release announcement. Mark, If we assume this is a mislabeled dp4, I suppose it's possible there are problems resolved in the actual dp5 that we can't experience just yet, but the issues he's talking about here have plagued him for a few releases and do not exist on my system. This is troublesome from many perspectives. This, along with other issues experience by Linux users lately, does suggest a simple solution to identify dependency issues for Linux would be highly useful. Release announcements have not been entirely consistent, with at least one recent release being announced on one list much earlier than on the other, and I am in agreement with those who think RunRev needs to find a better solution to pre-staging than the current implementation if we need to be cautious about downloading what are publicly linked versions. I have no interest whatsoever in the headaches of attempting to build from source, thank you very much. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.0 dp 5
On 05/25/2014 01:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: ...which was also not announced... With so many parallel versions and more than one place to track announcements, it's hard to be sure exactly what is current. The fact that there is a public link on the LiveCode site to downloads of versions which haven't been announced but are available - fully vetted or not - makes it silly to worry someone about downloading them. People who might have no idea about these lists and any official release announcements are being directed to these builds by RunRev. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.0 dp 5
On 05/25/2014 10:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Warren- Sunday, May 25, 2014, 12:31:34 PM, you wrote: With so many parallel versions and more than one place to track announcements, it's hard to be sure exactly what is current. Ah, ok... maybe I missed something here. You're saying there was a version that was released but wasn't announced on this list? That's a bit disconcerting - which version was that? The fact that there is a public link on the LiveCode site to downloads of versions which haven't been announced but are available - fully vetted or not - makes it silly to worry someone about downloading them. I'm not particularly worried about that. I just think it's silly to download an unreleased version and then complain about it. People who might have no idea about these lists and any official release announcements are being directed to these builds by RunRev. My confusion again, sorry. So RunRev is directing people to download these versions? I missed that announcement. Maybe I should slog my way through the Kevin thing after all. There was recently a version announced on one list which I did not see announced on the other. It struck me as odd. I don't remember which and I'm sorry but I don't feel inspired to wade through the lists to figure it out. I wouldn't suggest it was anything more than an accidental oversight, btw. Again, it doesn't matter if it's been announced. If it's placed in a publicly available download location, alongside other releases, it is released. These are accessed from a plainly available link on the LiveCode .com website. The link is labeled View All LiveCode Downloads. These unannounced versions have release dates and release notes. There is nothing to indicate these are merely almost releases and not to be downloaded until some future date. The staging process is missing a step and it's not the fault of the downloaders. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.0 dp 5
On 05/25/2014 11:35 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: That's what the dp and rc designations are for, but it would probably be more clear if there was a statement on the page explaining what those mean, along with appropriate caveats. Final releases should be clearly marked as stable. We're discussing the difference between releases which have been announced and versions which have been uploaded to the release directory before they have actually been given all final checks, not the difference between dp, rc and gm versions. The process which sometimes results in improperly functioning builds or installers being publicly available prior to their actual finalization and announcement has been discussed in the past and explained by the devs, who have suggested that the system was being looked at with an eye to fixing this. But, I agree that a note on the download page, along the lines you suggest, would be a good idea :) Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.0 dp 5
On 05/26/2014 12:53 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: That's what I thought. This urban legend has been batted around lately. Um, what is it you thought? I didn't say I once heard somebody say their friend's uncle told them about a neighbor... urban legend style. It was my own (recent) observation. I noticed a release announcement on one list but not the other. It's not impossible that I missed it, but I did look for it at the time. If I missed it, I will not have been the only one who has overlooked an announcement for one reason or another. In any event, depending on these lists to prevent people from downloading publicly available software until it's time is wildly irresponsible and scolding or mocking someone for downloading such software is ridiculous. People regularly overlook or miss announcements and others might not be downloading immediately from the announcements but prefer to go to the download directory at some other convenient time. I'm pretty sure there is also hope that curious people are finding and downloading LiveCode with the expectation that they'll join these lists sometime after rather than vice versa. While it's possible to say many of us should know better, there are groups of people who can't and others for whom it may not be convenient. The system is not in any way reliable, nor particularly defensible given there are any number of reasons why someone may encounter one of these not-ready-for-release releases. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6.2
On 06/07/2014 12:58 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: I'm getting an error that the file isn't found. That error is typically what you get trying to run in a 64 bit environment without the 32 bit libs installed. Do you have other versions of LiveCode running on this particular computer? Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Nested Repeat loops
On 06/20/2014 08:18 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Wondering if anyone has an elegant way of exiting all the way out of a set of nested repeat loops., e.g: repeat for... repeat for... repeat for repeat for if . then I want to exit out of the outermost repeat loop here end repeat do this and that end repeat do this and that end repeat do this and that end repeat Right now, I set a flag to true when the exit condition is met then test it in the do this and that stuff. Works fine but feels a little kludgy. Pete Maybe I've completely failed to understand what it is you don't like about your current method, but... Would it be practical and feel cleaner to wrap your nested repeats inside a command, say,'doLoop'. When your 'if' condition in the nth repeat is met, you 'exit doLoop'. You only have to reference and check a condition once this way and you cleanly exit the entire nested structure exactly when and where the condition is found. A useless example that works: Create a card with four fields and a button. Put this script in the button: on mouseUp doLoop answer exited loop end mouseUp on doLoop repeat 10 times add 1 to field 1 repeat 10 times add 1 to field 2 repeat 10 times add 1 to field 3 repeat 10 times if field 3 is 3 then exit doLoop add 1 to field 4 end repeat end repeat end repeat end repeat end doLoop Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCodeServer - Prints shebang line
On 07/15/2014 08:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: Hi Peter One of the contributions I made just prior to christmas was to handle the shebang and basically put the script into ?lc mode immediately if there's a shebang. I really didn't get much of a chance to experiment with it but it was merged in. Unfortunately I can't remember which version of LC but perhaps try one of the latest server versions??? Cheers Monte We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6. Release Contents ... * '#!' now recognised by server ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: SHELL text encoding OS X?
On 07/26/2014 07:44 AM, Klaus major-k wrote: Hi friends, i am currently using some shell commands, mainly mdfind, to get a list of files. But german UMLAUTS etc. are not correctly displayed. i thought the shell output would be UTF8, but unidecode(listoffiles) produces lots of glibberish 8-) - Grabber fuÃàr Anyone.rtf should of course be: - Grabber für Anyone.rtf This even happens with LC 7dp7, but shouldn't right? Anyway, what can I do win LC 6.6.2? Any hints very appreciated! Best Klaus -- In LiveCode 7 try something like: put textDecode(shell(myCommand),utf-8) Works for me retrieving data from shell in Linux. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: SHELL text encoding OS X?
On 07/26/2014 08:05 AM, Klaus major-k wrote: thank you, but my question was: Anyway, what can I do in LC 6.6.2? ;-) You also wrote this: This even happens with LC 7dp7, but shouldn't right? so it seemed you might be interested in how it's supposed to work there. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [BUG][SHELL] Could Others Please Test This OS X/Linux
On 09/30/2014 10:17 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: Before I go ahead and submit a bug report I'd like others to test and report their findings. openSUSE, LiveCode 6.6.2 Redirected the output to files. Results are identical, except for the extra file created by running the initial 'find $PWD pwdtest.txt'. 91,426 vs. 91,427. Running: put shell(find $PWD) into tStore put the number of lines of tStore is also the same except for the second file created in the previous step and a couple of other files created by the system as it tracks recently used applications and documents. (This output was also stored to a file and all files were compared using a diff tool.) Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [BUG][SHELL] Could Others Please Test This OS X/Linux
On 10/01/2014 08:09 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: But then why is this not the case with Linux? For Linux users who have installed single user, in their HOME directory, the defaultfolder is their HOME directory.. Those who have installed for all users, in /opt, will run into these kinds of issues, at least sometimes, perhaps depending on what you're attempting to do with shell(). The defaultfolder in an /opt install is /opt/runrev/VERSION and 'put shell(find $PWD)' returns file not found errors. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Volume Size
On 10/14/2014 04:55 AM, JB wrote: I can get a file size by listing the detailed files and I can get a list of all drives and volumes that are mounted by using the volumes function. Is there a way to get the size of a drive or volume that is returned by using the volumes function? John Balgenorth If 'volumes' doesn't work, maybe you can try get shell(df -h) You can try 'put shell(df -h)' in the message box to see if it gives you a result. If the command is still installed in OS X, you'll get information on disc size and usage. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Volume Size
On 10/14/2014 10:37 PM, JB wrote: The dictionary states, This function always returns empty on Unix systems. So, is Linux a Unix OS? For LiveCode purposes, yes. The dictionary does indicated, by omission of the penguin icon, that 'volumes()' is not supported under Linux. I find the 'diskSize()' returns an unexpected and useless result here under openSUSE, despite the dictionary's indication that it is supported under Linux. In Linux you should be able to use shell(df). Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Livecode Server on Dreamhost fails in Ubuntu upgrade
On 11/11/2014 12:42 PM, Phil Davis wrote: One thing I noticed is that script execution speed seems to have gotten dreadfully slow in 64-bit 7.0 - roughly 6x slower. I have a simple script that repeats 5000 times, adding to a counter and populating and sorting a list with seven items. It takes just a little less than 4x as long to execute under LC 7 Server as it does under any previous version. I'm running 32bit in LC 7, btw. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC Server on DreamHost?
On 11/21/2014 01:56 PM, Phil Davis wrote: the speed of loading is TERRIBLE with the 7.0.1 LC Linux server. It takes 4.5 seconds for LC to 'execute' a simple page every time. It's not about DNS and a PHP page on the same site loads immediately by comparison. Is this possibly related to other slowdowns in the desktop versions? Unless there is a problem specific to the 64 bit engine it seems more likely related to some issue with the DreamHost setup. The script that Phil provides in his bug report shows similar nearly instantaneous execution times for 6.1.2, 6.5.1 and 7.0.0 served from the same (32 bit) machine at WebFaction: http://warren.ws/newtest.lc (6.1.2) http://warrensweb.us/newtest.lc (6.5.1) http://asom.net/newtest.lc (7.0.0) I do have a simple test script with a repeat loop and a list sort that takes @ 4 times as long to execute with 7.0.0 as it does with earlier versions, but Phil's script doesn't show anything like the same problem here as it does on his DreamHost server. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LC Server on DreamHost?
On 11/21/2014 01:56 PM, Phil Davis wrote: I'm glad it isn't just me: http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13983 Phil Davis Phil, Your desktop utility shows a difference of about 8 to 10 times using your URLs and about 4 times using mine when run under 6.6.2. Opening the URLs in a browser continues to show a significant difference, but it's hard to quantify. Could you put a timer in the scripts themselves? Also, it seems probable from how they display in the utility and the browser that the scripts are not quite identical, with the one at http://ctrainweb.com/test2.lc not converting 'CR' to 'br' as does (apparently) the other one. However doubtful it might be that this has serious impact, it would be best ensure they are identical. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT: Web Server-side ID3 Tagger
On 12/16/2014 12:24 AM, Brahmanathaswami wrote: I need to set the ID3 tags for MP3 files that have already been uploaded to our web server. typically my approach is to create a thin desktop client, which can read our media database from the web server... then I need to send a POST back to my MusicAPI.lc which in turn then passes some params to [The ID3 Tagger program] via shell path to file artist author genre album date title locally on a mac this is as simple as getting info in iTunes, adding the ID3 metadata and iTunes writes it back to the same .mp3 file (or aiff) Does anyone know of a *nix program that can do the same, that I can call from shell (would run on CentOS 6.2) Swasti Astu, Be Well! Brahmanathaswami Is id3v2 installed, or can you install it? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Windows?
On Saturday, June 04, 2011 05:48:55 PM Colin Holgate wrote: I don't know if it's changed, but when I bought Windows to use under Fusion, I had to get Ultimate. From page 2 of the EULA for Win 7 Professional, Home Remium and Home Basic: d. Use with Virtualization Technologies. Instead of using the software directly on the licensed computer, you may install and use the software within only one virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed computer. You can find the EULAs here: http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx You may run into trouble trying to install an OEM lisence on a second computer, even if you've removed it from the first machine (or virtual machine). The OEM license may be locked to particular hardware as part of its activation, due to its purpose. I have had to reactivate after updating VirtualBox because changes in the hardware emulation cause it to raise a flag. (That could just be FUD, but I'm not about to install and attempt to activate it on another machine just to see what happens to my first license!) I have seen it suggested that the best option for people whose installation plans require flexibility, and this may apply to you, is to buy a retail family pack which will allow you to install 32 and/or 64 bit versions as well as move them from machine to machine, including virtual machines. Regards, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LIVECODE running in LION
On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 09:50:16 AM Andre Garzia wrote: I don't think I like it (just for personal reasons, nothing technical) cheers andre *GASP* Blasphemy (snicker, snicker) - ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Distinguishing CLI from GUI
On Monday, June 13, 2011 07:41:32 AM Richard Gaskin wrote: As Todd Geist quoted here earlier, in the Dictionary entry for $ it says: If you start up the application from the command line (on OS X, Unix or Windows systems), the command name is stored in the global variable $0 and any arguments passed on the command line are stored in numbered variables starting with the $ character. For example, if you start the application by typing the following shell command: myrevapp -h name then the global variable $0 contains myrevapp (the name of the application), $1 contains -h, and $2 contains name. In my tests here, it seems this is only partially correct: $0 contains the app name from the command line (myrevapp in their example), but $1 contains the name portion after the -h option flag, and the flag itself does not appear in any $ variable. I have an app in which I'd like to have two different behaviors, depending on whether it's being run from the command-line or as a GUI. This would be easy if the engine worked as described in the Dictionary so I could easily detect if the user launched it with -ui, but it seems the option flags are not being passed to the application, though everything that doesn't begin with - is. So my question is two-fold: 1. I've tested this on Windows and Linux and get identical behavior, in which the - flags aren't present in the $ vars. Can anyone here confirm this on Linux, Win, or OS X? 2. If this is indeed a documentation bug and what I see in my tests is what happens for everyone, how can I determine whether the app was launched with -ui or not? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv Richard, It seems to be working here although certain letters seem not to be usable. For example -s does not work. I can get an answer dialog to return -h when used as a cl flag and the app will do something if there is a variable $x which equals -h. as a silly example, this script does exactly what it looks like it should: on openstack answer $0 $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 if $1 is -h then answer hooboy, it works end openstack using this command: '/myApp -h a-param -o some-param' answers /myApp -h a-param -o some-param and then answers hooboy, it works. openSUSE 11.4 with Bash. Regards, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Distinguishing CLI from GUI
On Monday, June 13, 2011 12:54:04 PM Richard Gaskin wrote: Warren Samples wrote: It seems to be working here although certain letters seem not to be usable. For example -s does not work. I can get an answer dialog to return -h when used as a cl flag and the app will do something if there is a variable $x which equals -h. as a silly example, this script does exactly what it looks like it should: on openstack answer $0 $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 if $1 is -h then answer hooboy, it works end openstack using this command: '/myApp -h a-param -o some-param' answers /myApp -h a-param -o some-param and then answers hooboy, it works. openSUSE 11.4 with Bash. Curious. Are you able to get those args when running faceless? I haven't, but at least the windowID trick seems to be a reasonable for around for the moment. -- Richard Gaskin This simple script: on openStack put $0 $1 $2 $3 into url file:/home/warren/Documents/launchtestLOG.txt if $3 is -h then get shell(opera) end openStack seems to work as expected with and without -ui. Using this command: ''launchTest -ui -Q some-param -h launches Opera and creates the file with this line: launchTest -Q some-param -h. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Distinguishing CLI from GUI
On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:16:19 AM Richard Gaskin wrote: seems to work as expected with and without -ui. Using this command: ''launchTest -ui -Q some-param -h launches Opera and creates the file with this line: launchTest -Q some-param -h. Thanks for that info. I've had no such luck in Ubuntu, OS X, or WinXP. @Mark Weider: are you able to get -ui in any of the $ vars in your Fedora setup? Richard, Just to point out, although I'm sure you noticed; while I do get the promised $ vars, which appears to be not working for you, the -ui flag is not being stored here, and it seems you're interested in getting that. That the $ values exist at all would indicate commandline, but it's not inconceivable that one might want some conditional behaviors based on whether or not the app is running with a gui, thus storing the -ui flag could be helpful. Such refinement is naturally only useful if the basics can be relied on, though :( Regards, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Thanks for DropTools.
On Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:05:18 PM Roger Guay wrote: As usual, I'm riding the tail end of the wave, but I too want to thank Ken Ray and all of you who are contributing to his Drop Tools plugin. Just a very minor nit, Ken: LiveCode Preferences is found in the LiveCode Menu and not in the Edit menu as indicated in your DropTools User Guide. Thanks again for making LiveCode even greater! Cheers, Roger That depends on what platform you're running Livecode in. In Windows and in Linux, it is indeed found under the Edit menu. Regards, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: group name persisting
On Wednesday, June 22, 2011 05:09:48 PM Pete wrote: fingers crossed Nothing wrong with crossed. Just keep them where you can see them. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mac OS X Lion
On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:11:55 PM Richard Gaskin wrote: For better or worse, it seems those scrollbars are the wave of the future: Stevie was really enthuastic about his drawers, too. For a while. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Lion Xcode 3.2.6
On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:45:58 PM Terry Vogelaar wrote: I wanted to upgrade yesterday, but I couldn't, because it is 'Already installed' according to the App Store. Not to make light of the problems you personally are having, Terry, but would this be the same we provide a seamless path to software installation and upgrade, for the ultimate user experience Apple App Store that so many people are so excited about? Lordy! Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Mac OS X Lion
On Thursday, July 21, 2011 01:11:17 PM Andre Garzia wrote: I vote for Mac OS X 10.8 Megalomaniac Garfield Werecat? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT: I want to buy Lion
On Wednesday, July 27, 2011 01:20:05 PM Arie van der Ent wrote: Hi Tiemo, It is not necessary to wait for Lion on a USB-stick. Don McAllister from screencastsonline did the following; 1. buy Lion from App store; 2. make a copy from the installer (in your application folder); 3. open up the copy of the installer package, then open the folder Shared Support in it; 4. there you'll find InstallEDG.dmg; 5. copy this file to an USB-stick 8 gb. That's all. Arie Arie, He's explained why he can't buy 10.7 at the moment. Unless you're silently implying Tiemo enlist the aid of someone who had purchased it and is willing to share, this is not useful information. There seems to be conflicting information regarding a clean install of 10.7 with some saying they've done it and others saying there's got to be 10.6.8 avaible at one point or another to run the installer. It does not seem likely that Apple will ignore forever those users who need or would simply prefer to be able to purchase physical install media of some sort or another, though. I wonder if it's possible to clone a drive and just install that drive in another machine. Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: AW: OT: I want to buy Lion
On Thursday, July 28, 2011 01:41:57 AM Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: I don't understand why they don't offer anymore any classic download option for backward compatibility for users who are not up to date every day like me. Tiemo They're not interested in helping you to maintain your backward status. Apple wants its users up to date, with the program, and feeding them money through iTunes and the App Store. Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: AW: OT: I want to buy Lion
On Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:13:23 AM Bob Sneidar wrote: I think that may be harsh. Remember one of Microsoft's excuses for not producing a really modern OS for so long was that they had to maintain backwards compatibility for all their users. At some point this becomes a ball and chain for the vendor No, Bob, not harsh at all. I don't see much judgement being passed, really. There is only slight and mostly implied chacterization of Apple's obvious marketring strategy. I'm not going to flame you, but your apologia strikes me as being almost irrelevant to the issue of directing traffic in a gratuitous fashion through Apple's various money-making apparatus. Not always convenient for the consumer, but certainly convenient for Apple. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.
On Friday, July 29, 2011 10:09:13 AM Roger Eller wrote: it would be prohibitively slow in a vm Roger, Have you some disappointing experience running vms? My own experience running VirtualBox is that the guest OSs run quite snappily. I cannot recommend that one rely on a virtualized OS for development purposes because certain OS features are bound to be tied to hardware features that the vm won't provide. That said, for many purposes, including some kinds of testing during development, they are very usable and useful indeed. Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] More Apple Foolishness
On Friday, July 29, 2011 11:44:11 AM David C. wrote: snip...from iTunes (the single most frustrating and annoying app interface-wise on the whole planet on any OS) /snip Absolutely on the mark! To be tied at the hip with that one piece of software is absolutely awful and I'm doing just about all that I can to remedy that. I am so glad to know that I'm not the only one that feels that way. Best regards, David C. I almost never used iTunes when I ran OS X. It wasn't my preferred application for anything and I was never interested in the store. Since the vast majority of the requent updates to iTunes focused on the store, I eventually tried to get software update to ignore those updates. To no avail. Software update refused to honor that request. It was the only update that refused to be ignored. Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Installing iOS SDK and Xcode on Windows 7.
On Friday, July 29, 2011 12:04:49 PM Roger Eller wrote: running natively on brand new i7 machines with high-end video cards. The Hackintosh is not a great secret, and indeed there is no reason for OS X not to run beautifully on non- Apple hardware once the issues of booting and certain drivers are overcome, but the question was regarding performance within a virtual machine. I do not suffer any serious degree of slowness running any OS inside a virtual machine here. I don't particularly encourage the venture proposed by the OP, and am very disturbed by the preoccupation of the author of the article he references with avoided paying what are legitimate fees, but my experience does not support your prediction. I think the sort of statement you make presents unwarranted discouragement to those who may otherwise find virtualization a very useful and convenient tool for certain purposes. What I find most curious about the original post, is how does the OP propose to implement this if he cannot also test it? It makes me think of a post I saw the other day in a forum, Here fishy fishy... Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Getting someone's age from dob and current year
On Saturday, July 30, 2011 07:16:44 PM Roger Eller wrote: convert tToday to seconds convert tBorn to seconds It's been talked about before, but this calls for a reminder: attempting to convert a date prior to Jan 1, 1970 to seconds returns invalid date instead of a number in Windows. Don't do this if you are going to need this to work in Windows! Under Windows, you need to subtract the birthyear from the current year and determine if the current month/day is later than the birth month/day and subtract one year if necessary. Conveniently, this methods does work on all platforms. Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Internet Censorship
On Friday, August 05, 2011 10:25:18 PM Alejandro Tejada wrote: This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. This doesn't have much or even anything to do with Censorship. This is about honoring commercial distribution agreements which will vary from country to country, not content censorship. There are lost of videos, from all over the place, which have location restrictions. Regards, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Internet Censorship
On Friday, August 05, 2011 11:30:44 PM Alejandro Tejada wrote: many people, around the world, are not supposing to watch to finish your sentence... on youtube. I suppose you could write to Sony and ask them. While this is just speculation, it is a possibility that either some performer appears, or some material is used in this segment which is affected by contracts which prevent youtube distribution whereas the other segments which you can see on youtube are not. Regards, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Internet Censorship
On Friday, August 05, 2011 11:45:46 PM Warren Samples wrote: On Friday, August 05, 2011 11:30:44 PM Alejandro Tejada wrote: many people, around the world, are not supposing to watch to finish your sentence... on youtube. I suppose you could write to Sony and ask them. While this is just speculation, it is a possibility that either some performer appears, or some material is used in this segment which is affected by contracts which prevent youtube distribution whereas the other segments which you can see on youtube are not. Regards, Warren You'll find a discussion of this in another of these clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPmnho7OvT8feature=related ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Internet Censorship
On Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:48:04 AM Alejandro Tejada wrote: You'll find a discussion of this in another of these clips http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPmnho7OvT8feature=related Hmmm, There is no discussion in that page. (or anything else) Only the message: This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. Al Here is a segment of the comments from the page linked to above: Uploader Comments (timegrinder) This video contains an audio track that has not been authorized by WMG. The audio has been disabled. More about copyright =( Love these videos!!! 5* for them all thomandy 2 years ago Vid back up. timegrinder 2 years ago 5 what happened to the audio? Will it get back? JaredChacon 2 years ago Unfortunatly the entire audio for this vid has been removed as WMG have a copyright claim on a short clip in it :-/ Bass part 4 also has copyright issues and i have been considering refuting these claims on the basis of educational fair use, which is unlikely to succeed. The only other option is to reupload the vids with the clips taken out. timegrinder 2 years ago thanks indeed and it if it could be up without the clips at leas that would be something phil philmacari 2 years ago Would seem all disputed vids are now back up. timegrinder 2 years ago ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Blasted Flash
On Thursday, August 11, 2011 08:32:51 AM Richmond Mathewson wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14475250 Firefox 6, Ubuntu 11.04 No probs here in Opera on openSUSE ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Internet Censorship
On Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:53:33 AM Bob Sneidar wrote: But the very thought of having people pay royalties on what we consider to be a gift from God namely the talent and the inspiration for the music seems to be... well quenching. The moneychangers in the temple comes to mind. Bob Bob, how far are you willing to go with argument? Is it just musicians? Who is exempt? Is there anyone or any field where you'd to say, Oh, God doesn't have anything to do with that, so I'll pay you? Let me take my cello down to the supermarket and see if they'll give me food if I play for them. Would that actually be any different from asking for cash? I dunno, but it is fair to suggest that you want to benefit from my, or some musician's talents - and hard work invested in developing an nurturing that talent, wthout returning anything except maybe a smile. Is your smile worth something in the supermarket? The issue of payment and distibution is far more varied and complex than most of you seem to be aware of or willing to consider. As consumers your interests only reflect a very limited perspective. Sincerely, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Internet Censorship
On Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:09:47 PM Roger Eller wrote: I agree. In fact, I witnessed the rise of a YouTube artist, and bought his very first CD because 1) he was that good, and 2) I wanted to be supportive of the hundreds of songs he posted on YouTube (and I enjoyed for free). THAT is an artist! Play it to express what you feel, and if we feel it too, we will buy it. The effect of unlicensed redistribution on the music industry is a topic of huge debate. The view the RIAA and AF of M take is certainly an exageration. But unlicensed distribution is not harmless. Your anecdote reflects a legitimate part of the debate, but the music industry is not some simple monolith. Many of us work for wages which are determined by the projected use and distribution of the final product. While it is undeniable that the exposure gained through unlicensed redistribution can be an incredible boon to some projects, it also competes with licensed distribution and certainly makes it impossible to fairly compensate many of us when the actual distribution is unknowable. I can't escape the feeling that a part of what some of you are saying is that you feel the entities that produced the material have received what you believe to be a fair return and they should not be entitled to receive anything more and therefore any future use of that product shall be without cost to you. Is that really what you think? Is it really reasonable? Sincerely, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What to Do Since FTP No Longer Supported in Mac OSX Lion?
On Friday, August 12, 2011 01:44:32 PM Gregory Lypny wrote: Hello everyone, I was building a nice app with LiveCode the other day. It used PUT URL and FTP to download files from my remote Mac. Worked like a charm until yesterday when I updated the OS on the remote Mac to Lion. Now I get socket timeout messages. I then read on the web that FTP is not enabled in Lion but SFTP works if Remote Login is enabled in the Sharing pane of System Preferences. I confirmed that SFTP works by trying it with Interarchy. How can I make SFTP work in a LiveCode handler? Regards, Gregory ___ You can still use FTP: While FTP is still available and configurable from the command line, it's no longer supported as an easy to turn on option in System Preferences -- from http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=121222 Hope that helps, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What to Do Since FTP No Longer Supported in Mac OSX Lion?
On Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:17:25 AM Richard Gaskin wrote: IIRC Apple no longer makes Xserve anyway, so who needs an OS X FTP server? -- Richard Gaskin At issue is which protocol is being used when one enables file sharing in the System Preferences on a standard OS X Desktop install. The FTP option has been replaced with SFTP. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Grabbing the Date and Time From a Time Server on the Internet
On Monday, August 15, 2011 12:31:25 PM Bob Sneidar wrote: This interests me, because while I could depend on the system time I suppose, to datetimestamp entries in an SQL tab But wouldn't it be simpler, and smarter, to let the db create and store store its own timestamp as the insert is made? Input from the user would be unnecessary and even irrelevant. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/timestamp.html Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Retrieving Date and Time From The Internet
On Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:13:58 AM Bob Sneidar wrote: Okay, I contacted the USNO site via email and requested that they include the year in the returned date/time. You could try this: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_CA-QC.aspx Your time info is here in the html it returns (example): div id=analog-digital span class=font7 5:10 PM /span /div strong Tuesday, August 16, 2011/strong br / span class=font1 Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) -0400 UTC Isolate this from the rest of the source and filter out the lines that begin with , and you'll have what you're looking for. If you want a different city, just select one from the list and copy that URL. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Max length of value passed to shell()
On Monday, August 29, 2011 06:35:36 PM Dar Scott wrote: Whereas I'm lazy, I thought I'd ask rather than run a test. Is there some limit to the length of the string passed to shell() on any platform, especially OS X, whether by the engine or the shell-command program itself. Or even the typical limitations of utilities themselves. I'm not concerned about editor limitations; I'm thinking of a computed value passed to shell(). Anybody happen to know? Dar Running getconf ARG_MAX here in BASH under OpenSuse returns 2097152, which seems like pretty many to me. Don't know about Livecode limits, though. HYH, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode 4.6.4
On 09/06/2011 02:24 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: SSSHHH! We are not supposed to even KNOW there is a 4.6.4. But seriously, this is not the forum for pre-release versions. Did you get an email telling you where to post beta issues? Bob Final public release was announced today. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: LiveCode 4.6.4
On 09/06/2011 02:40 PM, Roger Eller wrote: It looks like the announcement ONLY went to the DEV list though... Odd... :\ ~Roger Yes, I noticed that, too, but I checked the store and it's available for download in my account. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Reading PDF - a cry for help
On 09/29/2011 12:27 PM, stephen barncard wrote: I just created a PDF with two lines of text and a 16x16 graphic and following text. A very basic test pattern. Then I opened up the document in BBEdit. Yikes! A huge amount of data is there - some binary and some plain text for such simple data. A minefield of fun and a big project to work with. Here's the specs ( a large PDF document) right from the source. PDF SPECS DOCUMENThttp://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/pdf/PDFReference.pdf Good luck. But it should certainly be doable. In fact, File Juicer does it. It's Mac software, but it is an example of exactly what is being discussed. It might be a lot of work, but clearly it's not a hopeless task :) Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: new iPhone 4s
On 10/04/2011 02:13 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: but it doesn't replace Viagra I'm sure there are some... ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: new iPhone 4s
On 10/05/2011 11:34 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: * It requires lots of touches to do simple things. please let me know if there is a quicker way! Android: 1. Touch the Clock in the lower right. 2. In the popup that appears there are some sliders to the right. Touch those. 3. In the popup that appears, touch Settings at the bottom. 4. Touch Applications in the list on the left. 5. Touch Manage applications at the top of the list on the right. 6. In the next screen, touch Running on the right. 7. This next step can take a while, because it lists all of the processes running. Scroll through the list to find the app you want to close, and touch that. 8. There may be more than one sub process listed. Touch Stop for each one. 9. You're back at the previous list now, scroll until you find the next app you want to close. Touch Stop. 10. If greeted with a Stop system service? dialog, touch OK. 11. Repeat steps 9 and 10 for each of the other apps you want to close. On my Samsung Exhibit, I press and hold the Home button which floats a window showing recently used applications as well as a button which opens the task manager where I can kill any open apps all at once or one at a time. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Export and Import SQLite data from LC Project?
On 10/25/2011 02:34 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi John, Can't you transfer the entire database file? If not, you can just do a dump and import the resulting file or do a query and save the data to a text file, which you import the usual way. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Mark is correct. This is from the Distinctive Features page provided by SQLite: Single Database File An SQLite database is a single ordinary disk file that can be located anywhere in the directory hierarchy. If SQLite can read the disk file then it can read anything in the database. If the disk file and its directory are writable, then SQLite can change anything in the database. Database files can easily be copied onto a USB memory stick or emailed for sharing. Stable Cross-Platform Database File The SQLite file format is cross-platform. A database file written on one machine can be copied to and used on a different machine with a different architecture. Big-endian or little-endian, 32-bit or 64-bit does not matter. All machines use the same file format. Furthermore, the developers have pledged to keep the file format stable and backwards compatible, so newer versions of SQLite can read and write older database files. You don't need to do anything other than copy the database file. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Confused again
On 10/25/2011 05:44 PM, Timothy Miller wrote: She seemed to suggest that the upgrade to 5.0.1 is for developers only, but that doesn't sound right. Please advise. Tim Miller Any upgrades you are entitled to will be available from the Store at runrev.com. Select that link and sign in. 5.0 seems to be the latest publicly available version. There is a 5.0.1 developer preview which is a pre-release version available only to those who have paid the additional money to be involved in the Developer Program. I don't get any messages regarding an update when I open 5.0 under Linux. (I am a member of the Developer Program as a result of the prior licensing model.) I wonder if this is a bug. If you have a question regarding what future updates you may be entitled to, ask RunRev support directly. They are the only people who have access to your records and who can provide you a definitive answer. Regards, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?
On 10/28/2011 11:52 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
While trying to get just a bit comfortable with a command-line interface, I
started Terminal on Mac OSX Lion and eventually got a command to work (after
finding out how to cope with spaces in file and folder names). I put the same
thing in an LC 'shell' command and got a runtime error (Handler: can't find
handler). I guess this is because in the Terminal context, the shell recognised
the program I was calling ('convert' - it's dear old ImageMagick) but within my
prog and the LS IDE it didn't. What do I need to do to get 'my' shell to be
able to invoke the same apps that the raw terminal interface can? My guess is
that it's something to do with a context variable like LS's defaultFolder, but
I just don't know how to get there. Can anyone explain?
TIA
Graham
Graham, post the exact code you're trying to make work using Livecode's
shell() function so it can be debugged. The shell function should have
access to any command the terminal has access to.
Best,
Warren
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Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?
On 10/28/2011 11:52 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
While trying to get just a bit comfortable with a command-line interface, I
started Terminal on Mac OSX Lion and eventually got a command to work (after
finding out how to cope with spaces in file and folder names). I put the same
thing in an LC 'shell' command and got a runtime error (Handler: can't find
handler). I guess this is because in the Terminal context, the shell recognised
the program I was calling ('convert' - it's dear old ImageMagick) but within my
prog and the LS IDE it didn't. What do I need to do to get 'my' shell to be
able to invoke the same apps that the raw terminal interface can? My guess is
that it's something to do with a context variable like LS's defaultFolder, but
I just don't know how to get there. Can anyone explain?
TIA
Graham
Paste this in the message box:
put shell(convert)
and see what happens. You should get usage information from ImageMagick.
To add a path to the input and output files inside the quoted shell
command try surrounding the paths with single quotes.
Warren
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Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?
On 10/28/2011 12:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Is this in Windows or Mac? Im Mac to get usage for a shell command you have to preface it with man. I think it's short for manual. This only works if whatever installed the command in the shell also installed a man page. Bob Technically you are correct, he'll get help but for our purpose here usage seemed like an acceptable description of what he'll see. Beat me with a stick. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?
On 10/28/2011 03:09 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Try this on your terminal: which convert This will return the path to the convert command, in my case is: /usr/local/bin/convert So change your convert command in the shell to /usr/local/bin/convert image.jpg blabla and see if you can get it to work. (I may of course be wrong and the problem may lie elsewhere) Andre This would have been my suggestion if his shell() looked ok. It does point out a problem with using shell(), especially in OS X where things are very possibly not going to be installed in their standard *nix locations. A method to check for the location of an exectuable and if necessary, a way for the user to provide the path, should be provided. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?
On 10/29/2011 09:40 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: shell(/opt/local/bin/convert) Mike's response contains all the correct information, but it can be distilled to this: change what you what you type into the message box to: put shell(/opt/local/bin/convert) This should display in the message box whatever the terminal displays after you type convert in Terminal and press enter. The put is what will cause the output to be displayed. On my machine, issuing the convert command without any args returns the help. This is not uncommon behavior for cli programs. Also I note that while it is very common to require two hyphens before whole word args, 'convert' doesn't seem to use any single letter args and only responds to single hyphen (as compiled on my machine) args. This is from the help itself: -help print program options Try: put shell(/opt/local/bin/convert -help) works for me here, but if not for you, then: put shell(/opt/local/bin/convert --help) In an application you might prefer to use get in place of put before your shell(). Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT: Command-line blues (ImageMagick)
On 10/28/2011 07:33 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: [As an aside I would NOT recommend IM on a Mac to anyone who has only worked within a GUI environment. The installation of IM for Mac took longer (and appeared to use more resources) than installing Lion on my Mac, even if you take into account my making a complete clone of my hard disk before the Lion installation started. My machine is now stuffed with Xcode, MacPorts, countless components of IM, and IM itself. If there is an uninstall process I have not discovered it and probably never will. So, IMHO, avoid. In contrast, there is a simple .exe file available for the PC. No geography teacher would ever be willing to do the Mac install, although doubtless many of them are very able, so there will never be a Mac version of my app.] Graham, I see you found the Windows binary installers. Good! About Macports; Macports will allow you to export fully functioning binaries which you can supply to your users for simple install. http://guide.macports.org/#introduction (Allows you to create pre-compiled binary installers of ported applications to quickly install software on remote computers without compiling from source code.) and http://guide.macports.org/#using.binaries.binary-packages This means you could offer precompiled binaries with simple installation, in a known location, for every version of OS X you are able to set up Macports in and that your app is available for. To ensure compliance with the GPL, you may need to make this a separate download from your app and provide a way for your users to access the source. (An easy to find link in your documentation should be adequate.) You can uninstall Macports by following directions found here: http://guide.macports.org/#installing.macports.uninstalling Best, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What's the difference between LC 'shell' and OSX terminal?
On 10/29/2011 12:59 PM, stephen barncard wrote: on a side note regarding shell - I just ran this from the message box: put shell(man zip) and got this text: Not an answer to your question, but that doesn't happen here running Linux. Here is something from discussion of Phil Davis' Shell Command Help plugin: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2011-January/151041.html and the next few messages. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Waiting for 'shell'
On 11/01/2011 12:11 PM, Roger Eller wrote: I use animated GIFs which I show just before a lengthy conversion, then hide it when shell has completed the task. It' not a progress bar, but indicates a busy state quite well. ~Roger What platform(s) does this work on? When I do this, the animation stops. Running Linux here. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Waiting for 'shell'
On 11/01/2011 03:47 PM, Roger Eller wrote: I've done this on Mac and Windows, but I would expect it to work on Linux too. ~Roger Putting something like show animated.gif get shell(cp fileLocA fileLocB) in a button leaves the animated gif completely static during the copy operation. Interestingly, the gif is static the whole time - until the copy is finished - even if there is a wait before the get shell(). Perhaps you are doing something a little more involved/complicated to display the gif? Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Waiting for 'shell'
On 11/01/2011 06:27 PM, Roger Eller wrote: I just looked back at the original post. If I understand correctly, the problem is not seeing when shell completes, but to let the user know there is backgrounded activity while shell is still processing, and so they don't think the app has locked up. ˜Roger Yes, and the progression eventually involved an alternative which which would necessitate some clever method to determine when to stop showing the progress indicator because the process had finished. Therefore: Oh cool. Yep, that could be easily used as an indication that the launched process has completed. That or ps would both work on mac or linux. It does make sense :) Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language
On 11/08/2011 11:03 AM, René Micout wrote: A little information : in Mac OS X Lion when you need to know what is the default (country) language of the system : put defaults read NSGlobalDomain into vxLangage get line 10 of shell (vxLangage) Before Lion it was line 9 of shell now line 10 Bon souvenir de Paris René ___ Not even close here. Don't you want the line that begins with AppleLocale that comes after the list of available languages? Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language
On 11/08/2011 12:01 PM, René Micout wrote: Yes of course, it is better, line 10 is the first language in the list (and I think it is the default system (country) language. AppleLocale is line 33... Thank you Warren Le 8 nov. 2011 à 18:39, Warren Samples a écrit : I get a very different line count. Perhaps this depends on how many languages the user has installed, or removed. It might be safest to look for the line that starts AppleLocal rather than hardcode some potentially incorrect line number.. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language
On 11/08/2011 12:39 PM, René Micout wrote: get shell (defaults read NSGlobalDomain) don't work... !!? Don't forget to wrap your shell command with ! Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language
On 11/08/2011 01:17 PM, René Micout wrote: YES ! But why put defaults read NSGlobalDomain into vxLangage get shell (vxLangage) works ? I don't write put quote defaults read NSGlobalDomain quote into vxLangage ... Le 8 nov. 2011 à 19:39, René Micout a écrit : Thanks to Pete, Warren and Ben !! My new script after all their informations : put defaults read NSGlobalDomain into vxLangage get shell (vxLangage) get line lineOffset(AppleLocale,it) of it put false into vxFrançais ; if fr is in it then put true into vxFrançais get shell (defaults read NSGlobalDomain) don't work... !!? ___ vxLangauage is a variable not a string. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: MAC OS X Lion, shell and language
On 11/08/2011 01:21 PM, Warren Samples wrote: vxLangauage is a variable not a string. oops! Didn't spell your variable correctly. That would never work either :D Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Re : Wasting space on the forum.
On 11/14/2011 07:25 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Top please. This is a whole other topic. I personally prefer to have the new reply at the bottom, as the quoted text prepares the context for the reply. I understand the other point of view, and I would say that it frequently doesn't make a difference practically speaking, but usually when it does, it's because I've been assisted by the prologue. I would complain more about those who reply point by point, placing their replies between quoted sections. This is often confusing. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: clipboard issue in Windows?
On 11/30/2011 11:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 11/30/11 1:00 AM, Pete wrote: I can see where the confusion comes from on this. The dictionary claims you can copy a chunk of a control to the clipboard, even has an example - copy word -3 to -1 of field Help. I was wrong, the dictionary is right. Either I was relying on old info, or else I lost a synapse somewhere. This works for me too: copy word 1 to -1 of fld 1 -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com *sigh* copy and clipboardData may be unreliable on Linux it seems. The copy function and clipboard is complicated in Linux and for some reason the KDE clipboard utility, Klipper, does not copy data from LiveCode using either copy or the clipboardData on my system. It works when Klipper isn't running, though. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ANN] Extensions for LiveCode/Linux
On 12/19/2011 10:12 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: Im looking at the webkit extension now. Looks nice. Only other requirement is python, correct? You may need to install the python-webkitGTK bindings. Would not run initially on my system, openSUSE, but installing the bindings allows the python browser to run. The purebasic demo does not work. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [ANN] Extensions for LiveCode/Linux
On 12/19/2011 08:16 AM, Bob Warren wrote: In case you missed Rev's announcement a few weeks back, and now that the site is complete, Linux fans might find the following extensions useful: 1. UTF-8 Stack Template 2. UTF-8 Function Demo 3. Accent-Blind International Bubble Sort 4. UTF-8 Text Editor 5. Shell Without Wait 6. Web Browser (WebKit engine) 7. Web Browser (PB WebKitGtk Library) 8. UTF-8 Compliant Picture Chooser And here's where you will find them: http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/extensions/ In the python-webkit browser demo, it seems the python processes are not terminated by closing the browser or quitting Livecode. Also, I am unable to close the window of the fullscreen demos except by killing the process. Are these things expected behavior? Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 5.0.2 startup woes
On 12/23/2011 11:40 PM, Fred Moyer wrote: Now with this new 5.0.2 that I just purchased, various startup, openstack and preopenstack commands do not implement -- that is they don't implement when I double-click on the stack while LiveCode is not running. (Everything works fine if LiveCode is already running.) But, for example, if you make a stack that simply consists of a stack script that says: on openstack choose browse tool beep end openstack If you double-click on the stack with LiveCode not running, and 5.0.2 starts up, does the tool change to browse tool? In my computer (Mac), it doesn't -- but the computer does beep. Am I missing something really basic here? If I drag my new version 5.0.2 to the trash, which leaves 4.6.4 to start up, and do the same thing, the tool switches to browse tool as it should. There are other startup issues suddenly going on in 5.0.2 which I don't understand. Can anyone advise? Thanks Fred This also happens here in Linux. In 5.0, Livecode opens, the stack appears and both parts of this script work. In 5.0.2 the stack is opening almost instantly and well before the Livecode toolbar appears. It beeps but does not switch to the browse tool. It would seem that Livecode is attempting to run the script before it's fully ready. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: SQL Date Formatting
On 01/11/2012 07:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hi all. I am having F-I-TZ working with dates in mySQL. I WANT to store the dates as real dates, but mySQL formats them as -mm-dd. Livecode does no such thing and nothing I know how to do can get Livecode to work with dates in this format AS dates. It's no good for my present purposes to work with other formats. I query SQL and then drop the data into a datagrid with no custom formatting, and that is just the way it has to be. What I need is to tell Livecode to sue SLQ date formatting. I have no real hope, but if someone knows of a way to do that, I would appreciate it. I think what is really needed is a feature request for one more date format for the convert command: convert myDate to sqlDate.sigh Bob Is the problem getting them from Livecode to mySQL or what mySQL returns from select? Can you set the date format in your select statement? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/date-and-time-functions.html#function_date-format Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Application Menu (again) and RunRev attribution
On 01/13/2012 11:51 AM, Pete wrote: I am about to release my first commercial product written with Livecode and I'm wondering what the etiquette is, if any, regarding mentioning Livecode and RunRev in the About dialog, maybe something like Built with Livecode from RunRev plus a web address? From the EULA: APPENDIX A - Required Copyright Notice You must include the following copyright notice where other such notices appear. In the event that such other notices do not appear in the Created Software, this notice must be placed in a reasonable location. Built with LiveCode. Portions (c)2000-2011 RunRev Ltd, All Rights Reserved Worldwide. We would like you to include the RunRev logo, as per the terms set on our website. However, unlike the Copyright notice above, you are not required to include the logo. I can't find the guidelines for using the images, but I saw them once and recall thinking it was a little formal and restricting, but it's their business :D Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: revBrowser sound
On 01/19/2012 04:20 AM, tkuyp...@telenet.be wrote: it's kinda annoying to always have their website open when surfing the internet, accidentally closing my music when closing to many windows. Can't you just open it in it's own window and hide/minimize it? Park it on another desktop/workspace? That would keep it safe from inadvertent closing. If you have a habit of quitting the browser to close windows, then maybe you could install a browser that you only use foe this purpose, again putting the window on a workspace you aren't using. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: best 404 ever
On 01/20/2012 11:01 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I get blank screen. I am probably being blocked by a content filter.:-) Bob It's done in Flash ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Application quit on OS X
On 01/20/2012 11:23 AM, Pete wrote: As far as I can tell, all Mac applications work this way.. This is not correct. It depends on what kind of application it is. Most work this way but several utilities do not. I have seen some discussion of this elsewhere, although I can't recall where, and I think Apple has issued its official opinion on this which does allow for this behavior. One could use the closestack message to open a dialog with a menubar, which ask the user if they would like to open another window or quit the app, or some other option appropriate for the app. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Developing on Mac, standalone on Windows
On 01/22/2012 11:55 PM, Pete wrote: I just compiled and ran my fist standalone on Windows and I'm finally realising the benefits of developing cross platform applications with LC. I was pretty amazed when everything I developed on my Mac just ran as expected on Windows! The on;y problem I need to address concerns fonts. I have a very few controls that depend on font size to correctly position themselves around other, non-textobjects and it seems that LC's default font on WIndows is different than on a Mac, or at least the font size/spacing is. I left the font and size blank in almost all of my controls' text formatting options but perhaps I need to name a specific font to have things line up correctly on OS X and Windows? -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com It may be worth the time to build a small app that lets you play with things like font choice and size, and text margins and run it as a standalone - margins and alignment are not always the same in a standalone as in the IDE - in whatever platforms (and various versions of these OSs!) you want to deploy in. It can be fairly simple and not really all that time consuming but may be very illuminating and helpful. This would leave you the ability to confidently set such things conditionally. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Video on Linux (again)
On 02/06/2012 09:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: How are you playing videos on Linux? Are you able to do it at all? Running openSUSE 12, KDE and KWin. I get audio but no video attempting to play videoclips. Using the player, and with window effects on, I get audio but no visible video. I get video if I turn off window effects before launching Livecode. It renders normally with full opacity. Once launched, I can turn window effects back on and video is still normal. Toggling window effects after launch has no effect on the video, either way. Mint 9 in VirtualBox, running without window effects, videoclips behave as above above. Video playback using a player is fine. When I ran Mint 10 with Compiz, I got the same transparent masking effect you have described seeing under Ubuntu. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Linux engine...
On 02/23/2012 03:20 AM, Malte Brill wrote: I figured out so much that this is a GNOME (working) versus KDE (not working) thing. What really scares me is the exit on signal 11 issue. How does one debug that??? Not that this is of any practical value, but this is an issue with compositing. If you turn off window effects, shift+Alt+F12, background patterns should render normally. That works here with openSUSE KDE. There is a related problem with video rendering for many of us. Happens also with Gnome 2 on Ubuntu and Mint when running Compiz. It *may* also be dependent on specific video card/driver combinations. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Linux engine...
On 02/23/2012 01:50 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: I've more or less stopped using Rev because I only use Linux, and having got a 22 inch monitor, I simply can't read most of the IDE unless I reset screen resolution to much lower resolution. Or put on reading glasses which brings its own problems. It doesn't make any difference which WM you use. It was fine on my old 19 inch monitor, but I've given up struggling with it on the new one. Now, is this Rev's problem, or is it X11's problem? Who cares? You have to be able to read the IDE to use it. Peter Hmm. Peter, I am using a 24 inch monitor and don't have any issues like this. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Linux engine...
On 02/25/2012 12:27 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Just MHO on a Sunday morning, Joe Wilkins Architect It's Saturday. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] Free SSL certificates available
On 03/11/2012 05:03 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: Hi Andre, Is StartSSL the one in Israel? I think when I looked at them it was only free for 1 month. They were also very intrusive, almost like spyware, so I didn't end up going with them. Let me know. Rick http://www.startssl.com/?app=40 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What is wrong with this ?
On 03/12/2012 10:54 AM, Ken Corey wrote: On 12/03/2012 15:38, John Dixon wrote: on mouseUp puthttps://gg.com/racing; into raceListURL put URL raceListURL into fld 1 end mouseUp It will not work for me under Win XP from boot camp... Can anyone tell me why ? It's not a help, but as a negative data point it seems to work for me (LiveCode 5.5dp1, Windows 7 64 bit). -Ken Also works here in XP (running inside VirtualBox on a Linux machine), in both Livecode 4.6.4 and 5.0.2. Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: What is wrong with this ?
On 03/12/2012 12:38 PM, John Dixon wrote: It does however beg the question as to why this is undocumented ? And also the question 'why is there a problem there, but not here?' Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT - BING HAS TAKEN OVER MY SEARCH ENGINE
On 03/14/2012 11:11 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Thanks Fellas, Even after removing Bing and restarting and Quitting/starting, Bing still showed up as the active search engine. I don't trust them at all now. VERY insidious! Guess I'll just use Safari now. Seems as if it's a little better than it was a couple of months ago. Joe Wilkins Have you tried to edit the preference using about:config? http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config Type about:config, without the quotes, in the address bar. Dismiss the warning. Type search, without the quotes, in the filter field. Look for browser.search.defaultenginename - it's the second line in my case. What soes it say? If it says Google, then something is definitely screwy because it's not using the specified default. If it says Bling, then right-click anywhere in that line, select Modify from the contextual menu and type Google into the dialog, without the quotes. Click OK. Maybe restart Firefox and you *should* be ok. Good luck! Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT - BING HAS TAKEN OVER MY SEARCH ENGINE
On 03/14/2012 11:42 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: continued frustration. Result was website cannot be found. (sigh!) Thanks anyway! Just not my day. My vision is poorer than usual today. Joe Wilkins That seems odd. You can edit the prefs files directly in a text editor. It's not difficult or scary. You need to know where your profile is and which one if there are more than one. This may help: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder http://gemal.dk/mozilla/profile.html MAKE SURE FIREFOX IS NOT OPEN WHILE YOU DO EDIT THE FILE!!! Once you've found your profile directory, open the file called prefs.js in your favorite text editor. Search for browser.search.defaultenginename. You want that line to look this way: user_pref(browser.search.defaultenginename, Google); You may also have a file called user.js Check that to make sure it doesn't have anything that conflicts with this. http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file Good luck :) Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT - BING HAS TAKEN OVER MY SEARCH ENGINE
On 03/14/2012 12:25 PM, Warren Samples wrote: On 03/14/2012 11:42 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: continued frustration. Result was website cannot be found. (sigh!) Thanks anyway! Just not my day. My vision is poorer than usual today. Joe Wilkins That seems odd. You can edit the prefs files directly in a text editor. It's not difficult or scary. You need to know where your profile is and which one if there are more than one. This may help: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder http://gemal.dk/mozilla/profile.html MAKE SURE FIREFOX IS NOT OPEN WHILE YOU DO EDIT THE FILE!!! Once you've found your profile directory, open the file called prefs.js in your favorite text editor. Search for browser.search.defaultenginename. You want that line to look this way: user_pref(browser.search.defaultenginename, Google); You may also have a file called user.js Check that to make sure it doesn't have anything that conflicts with this. http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file Good luck :) Warren I should have tried this before I wrote. There are two lines that need to be checked: user_pref(browser.search.defaultenginename, Google); user_pref(browser.search.defaulturl, http://www.google.com/;); I'm not sure why, but it's not working here as simply as it should. Set this in prefs.js and for good measure, also create a file user.js in this same folder and add these lines to it: # my search engine preference user_pref(browser.search.defaultenginename, Google); user_pref(browser.search.defaulturl, http://www.google.com/;); Good luck! Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Serious Question about the list...
On 03/18/2012 08:51 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I am automatically notified of any new message on this mailing list. I don't know of a way to do this with the forum messages (unless I'm already participating in the discussion) RSS works, although it's not quite as nice as a properly threaded mailbox, at least for those receiving all posts individually. (On my computer, Thunderbird does a horrible job of threading. Kmail is much better and when I ran OS X, Powermail did this perfectly.) Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: using a special keyboard in livecode fields (in Windows 7)
On 03/20/2012 12:37 PM, Richmond wrote: On a Mac, a Win or a Lin? Did you fall asleep before you reached the end of the subject? :D ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
On 03/24/2012 05:48 PM, Pete wrote: I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. It seems like Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their computers. Can I install Linux on my Windows computer a dual boot it somehow? If you have enough memory, it may be more useful, and simpler, to run a Linux distro inside VirtualBox or VMWare. To make that even easier, you can find, using your favorite search engine, downloadable, ready to go virtual machine disk images of almost any Linux distro, in current and older versions. For casual use, this would be my recommendation. Good luck, Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: the VM approach solves the hardware problem. So now I'm left with the question of which Linux distro to go for Pete Since you can test them so easily, I would suggest firstly not to be too anxious about making the best decision. You don't have to decide Before you start; you can decide as you go. Again, you can download either fully set up virtual machine disks or run almost any distro from a liveCD, which is also a fabulously easy way to trial a distro. I run openSUSE, currently and ran Mint 9 and 10 before that. For what you expect to be casual use, I would think that the Desktop Environment (the Unity, KDE, Gnome, Enlightment, XFCE, LXDE things that people talk about - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment) will be the most important consideration. You will need to find the one that is the most intuitive to you. After that, the software management aspect may be the second most important. This was much simpler in Mint than it is in openSUSE. I would recommend you try a Mint version first. I have no experience with Gnome 3, but Mint 9 is the long term support version of that distro and uses gnome 2. Mint 10 was very pleasant to use but it will lose support next month. I had bad experience with KDE under Mint and Kubuntu has a very poor reputation, so it's hard to recommend KDE in those distros. Do a little research about desktop variants of whatever disto you are gravitating to and (taking everything with heaping spoonfuls of salt) you should find some helpful info. Inside VirtualBox, you will probably find your desktop doesn't run with effects (Compiz, KWin) so you save some memory. This somewhat equalizes the playing field between the heavy feature-full (aka bloated) Desktop Environments and the light nimble (aka primitive) ones. That *should* mean you won't be making as many performance/feature sacrifices as you look for what best suits your taste. Good luck! Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: So now I'm left with the question of which Linux distro to go for FWIW: http://dt.deviantart.com/journal/poll/1202084/ http://enigmacommunity.org/forums/topic/1099-whats-your-favorite-linux-desktop-environment/ http://www.muktware.com/survey/3444/poll-which-de-you-use Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
On 03/24/2012 09:44 PM, Roger Eller wrote: The easiest way for a beginner is a WUBI installation. You don't need an emulator or virtual box or parallels, etc. Just a PC that is already running Windows. When you install Ubuntu via WUBI, it is just a series of folders on the hard-drive (no dedicated partition necessary). This method sets it up to dual-boot, so you just choose which OS to run when you turn the computer on. To remove it, you just uninstall it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYw6dOXw3pc http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer ~Roger That's interesting. I had never seen this. It seems a really simple and great way to deal with dual-boot installation, provided that one wants to run Ubuntu. However a dual-boot system is not nearly as convenient for many purposes, such as let me see real quick how this looks/works on Linux and Windows. I see that convenience as a big plus for virtual machines. Although I recognize the advantages of running the OS natively, for a lot of purposes this is moot. Maybe it's a case of choose the tool that lets you do the job the way you want it done ;) Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: you can find downloadable, ready to go virtual machine disk images of almost any Linux distro, in current and older versions. Here are some links to preconfigured virtual disk images. http://virtualboxes.org/images/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtualboximage/files/ http://virtualboximages.com/Free.VirtualBox.VDI.Downloads http://virtualboximages.com/ and info on how to get one running once you've downloaded it: http://virtualboxes.org/doc/ Good luck! Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability
On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: So now I'm left with the question of which Linux distro to go for Pete More ideas that might interest you :) Since you are mainly working in OS X and I assume you are happy and comfortable working in that interface, you may be interested in a linux distro that is set up out of the box to look and act much like OS X. You can do this in any distro but this would be a simpler route, and for someone who might not want to spend a lot of time and effort fiddling with a system he's not planning to use every day, a very sensible choice. http://www.unixmen.com/pear-linux-comice-os-4-0-has-been-released-screenshots-tour-video/ http://www.pear-os-linux.fr/ Do-it-yourself ideas: http://beta.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/how-to-make-linux-mint-look-like-os-x-1040983 http://lifehacker.com/5665765/macbuntu-makes-your-linux-desktop-look-like-mac-os-x http://www.internetling.com/2008/03/24/linux-docks-5-mac-os-x-docks-for-ubuntu-and-other-linux-distros/ http://www.howtogeek.com/45817/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-mac-os-x/ http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-docks.html http://linuxlibrary.org/applications/linux-desktop-docks-panels/ youtube also has lots of videos of people demonstrating their Mac-like Linux desktops. You might enjoy a peek at a few of those. Good luck! Warren ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
