Re: Forgotten password

[John Hart]

On 6/13/2019 2:22 AM, Sanna Warnemyr wrote:

I have a few open office documents on my old computer from 2011/2012. When I 
wrote them I locked them with a password which I have now forgotten. Is there 
really no way to open them without the correct password? I really hope you can 
help me.

If the password is short a password cracking program could do it,
if it's long it will be next to impossible.

Re: How do I open a document when I forgot the password?

[John Hart]

https://www.iseepassword.com/forgot-openoffice-password.html

Re: Verify Download?

[John Hart]

https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-dns-hijacking/

Last question, Master document to single file

[John Hart]

I thought I'd ask one last question before unsubscribing from the list.

Is there an easy way to convert all the files listed in a master
document into a single file?

DOC format file saving

[John Hart]

I have a form in doc format with macros that has labeled check boxes. 
After saving labels for the check boxes disappear. Is there a way to 
make this work in Open Office? If not can LibreOffice do it?

Re: problem

[John Hart]

On 5/31/2018 3:19 PM, Melissa Knudson wrote:

I can't find any of my old documents!  What happened to all of my
documents!!  Did you upgrade and not tell your customers.  I am so confused.

-- Melissa Knudson

When OO is upgraded, sometimes the recent documents list gets
erased. The list is for convenience, and when it's cleared you
have to open the file from the directory it's in. Also if you
move or delete a file, the name doesn't get removed from the
list and the link isn't updated, so if you try to open it, it
will tell you it can't find it, or it doesn't exist.

jrh

Re: non-techie's comment/question

[John Hart]

On 2/24/2018 3:32 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote:

OpenOffice has always worked the way the Martin described. What you are
seeing with the open dialog is how your operating system works.
OpenOffice does not have control over that.

1. What does 'default path' mean in the statement:
   "OpenOffice doesn't changes the default path"?
2. Does OO or the OS control the 'default path'?
3. OO could save files anywhere a person wanted, regardless
   of the OS, without changing the 'default path'.
   I have written many programs that do, and assure you it's trivial.
4. A feature to allow writing a file to an external drive without
   changing the 'default path' would be easy to implement.
   It's what the original poster requested info on, and the reply
   'It works how it works get over it', isn't a good answer.
5. Rationalizing shortcomings by pretending people who expect
   more are incompetent, isn't good 'customer service'.

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Re: non-techie's comment/question

[John Hart]

On 2/24/2018 3:38 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
I'm using v3.3, and after saving it changed the path, which was 
annoying, and explains the need for the method Mkaye asked about, 
which wouldn't change the default path.


Sorry, but OpenOffice doesn't changes the default path. 
Are you saying v4.x works different than 3.x when using 'save as' to 
write files to external media,
and that the next time one saves or opens a file, it points at the 
working directory, not external

media.  If so, how does one change where the working directory is?

It saves only the 10 most recently used documents.
Recently used documents in 3.3, include pointers to where they reside. 
Open and save uses the path to the
last directory a file was opened in or saved to. After writing a file to 
external media using 3.3,
all subsequent opens or saves, use that location, and the link to the 
working directory
needs to be re-established. Does 4.x work differently? If so, please 
explain. I'm still using 3.3 on my

old computer, haven't switched to the new one with 4.x yet.

this means if you open a file from the recently used menu and you do a 
save as in another

directory it has now both files in the recently used menu.

That's true, the path is included in recently used, but the question is:
does 'save as' change the path open uses, and if so is there a way
 to write files to external media without doing so?

jrh

Re: non-techie's comment/question

[John Hart]

On 2/23/2018 6:16 PM, John Hart wrote:
Save as, allows one the save to another location, as well as change 
the name.
I've never tried it, just did and it works for me. 
I'm using v3.3, and after saving it changed the path, which was 
annoying, and explains the need for the method Mkaye asked about,

which wouldn't change the default path.

Re: non-techie's comment/question

[John Hart]

On 2/23/2018 2:21 PM, Wade Smart wrote:

Why cant you just click SaveAs and save it to another location?
Which is the exact same thing you would do on and MS product.


The main feature missing has always been an
extension that allows users to "save to" or "write to"
a different disc or a flash drive.
Save as, allows one the save to another location, as well as change the 
name.

I've never tried it, just did and it works for me.

Re: Open Office

[John Hart]

On 2/15/2018 2:04 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

Classifications is not a synonym for dichotomy. Check any thesaurus
Because classifications is used in the definition of what a dichotomy 
is does not mean it is a synonym of of dichotomy. It should not be 
listed as such by OpenOffice.



Dichotomy is a classification, but classification isn't a dichotomy.
Dichotomy belongs in a list of classifications, but not in synonyms of it.
Including it in the list might be a nice feature if the meaning was clear,
otherwise some poor student is going to make a fool of himself.

jrh

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Re: Google Apps

[John Hart]

On 2/15/2018 11:20 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:

Hi -

On Feb 15, 2018, at 10:12 AM, John Hart <jh...@testra.com 
<mailto:jh...@testra.com>> wrote:


The responses to this post provide convincing evidence that
OSS needs public funding (tax credits)


This is a completely different topic and many might disagree with your 
conclusion. Please explain how tax credits would help in detail.


OpenOffice is downloaded into almost every country in the world. The 
ASF is a non-profit under US law and donations may be tax deductible.


All business expenses are tax deductible! Correctly designed tax credits 
can induce economic forces in
markets so they solve problems only evolutionary systems can. But that's 
not the primary reason OSS
is needed. Without the source, it's all but impossible to determine if a 
computer system is secure, and
in light of the fact power corrupts, what is evolving gets more 
dangerous each day. Downloading anything
that isn't open, is like inviting a stranger into ones house. Everything 
is fine until it isn't, then it's too late

to do anything about it.

There are things necessary to providing good service, programmers 
donating time don't understand
and wouldn't want to do if they did, because they're mundane, time 
consuming grunt work, so they
don't get done, and over time failure to do those things will undermine 
the best of intention.


The details of tax credits would have to be worked out by a number of 
people, I have some ideas but
discussing them is beyond the scope of my input now. What is clear now 
is code can be dangerous,

and without checks and balances, disaster is all but guaranteed.

Had sun been given credit for it's contribution to OSS, it still might 
exist, but companies that do what's
ethically right, have  a serious disadvantage competing with companies 
that don't. Tax credits are the
only way I can see to correct this problem, if you have any other ideas, 
feel free to express them.


jrh

*Sun Microsystems, Inc.*_*Was*_ an American company 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_company> which sold ...
Sun was a proponent of open systems in general and acquired software 
such as StarOffice <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice>,...
Sun was the largest corporate contributor to open source movements in 
the world.^[77] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems#cite_note-MERIT-floss-77> ,
Sun's open source contributions exceed the combined total of the next 
five largest commercial contributors.


Oracle Corporation <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Corporation> 
acquired Sun <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_acquisition_by_Oracle> 
for US$7.4 billion...


<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer>

Re: Cut the crap out

[John Hart]

On 2/12/2018 8:01 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

 Original Message 
From: Gary Madine 
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:18:21 -0500

I’m trying to prepare an important business letter in a hurry.

How the hell do I disable your automatic "guessing-ahead-of-time" what words I 
want to type?


First a note to list subscribers: Please recognize that Garry (not 
subscribed) has written his message in a frustrated and irritated 
frame of mind and as a list moderator I would request that you please 
resist the temptation to respond in a way that might be inflammatory.


Many novice users have similar problems. The reason is volunteers spend 
a lot of time designing and
coding powerful features, and they want to show off their work so they 
make them the Default. It's understandable
why, if they don't, how will anyone  know the feature is available? What 
goes wrong is the majority of
users want something that's easy to use from the start, and all it takes 
is one snag and the feature turns into a
nightmare. When one has time this isn't as frustrating as when one is in 
a hurry, but when the new car won't
start, people get angry. OO is good software, written by talented 
people, but the lack of focus on marketing
causes this type of problem to occur. If OO cost the same as MS Office, 
it's doubtful many would use it, or

there'd be enough profit to pay 'volunteers' a living wage.

Open source software is necessary to prevent corrupt people from using 
computers to rip people off, The
only way I see to make it viable is to give tax credits to individuals 
and corporations that support it. In the
present system, those who support OSS are at a considerable disadvantage 
in the market place because
work they fund can be used by competitors for free! Money going into OSS 
projects would enable things
essential to success, that volunteers can't do, like writing tutorials 
and providing on line technical support.


jrh

Re: Panic! Accidentally saved over a document

[John Hart]

On 12/1/2017 2:37 PM, Elias Skogqvist wrote:

Hi!

I was using another document as a template and was gonna press "save as" to
save the new document alone. But I accidentally pressed save and now the
first document is gone! Im close to crying right now

How can I get the first document back

Please help!
The original probably exists on the hard drive, but it's more difficult 
to retrieve than
a file that was deleted. A file retrieval program such as Photorec might 
be able to do it,
but don't save files on the computer until it's recovered or it could be 
overwritten.
It's best when using any file as a template to save it with the new name 
before making

any changes.

jrh

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Re: Problems with Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.4_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US

[John Hart]

On 11/17/2017 5:11 AM, James Knott wrote:

God bless you!

I find that offensive.  Religion is delusion, which has no place in the
real world.

Just because you have a defective concept of God, is no reason for starting
a flame war on this list. He provided links that may or not be relevant,
comments about them are useful, discussions about religion have no place 
in this list!

Re: cannot create business card

[John Hart]

On 11/11/2017 6:45 PM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

> Go to File -> New -> Business Cards you get a Pop up window
> In the window on the Medium tab you can select the Brand
> after you selected the Brand you can select the Type.
> I must admit that the selection list isn't helpful unless you know 
the type.

> So what I do is: Go straight to the Business Card tab and select
> at the bottom Business Card, Work (3½ x 2)
> At the Business tab enter the data you want to see on the business card
> At the Format tab you can adjust the size of the business card
> Press New Document and you have your page where you can edit
> the contents of the first business card.
> when you press Synchronize Labels all business cards are the same.

Martin, If all posts were this good, the list would be much more useful.

thanks

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Re: Text CSV won't open as a Spreadsheet

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2017 11:33 AM, Linda Hull wrote:

IT still isn't working.  That's the bottom line for me. I need to be able
to go from a text file to a spreadsheet. Pasting it doesn't do the columns
right.

Linda

It's probably not saved as a text file. I'd suggest opening it with
a simple editor to find out.

jrh

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Re: Lost Work

[John Hart]

On 4/9/2017 10:42 PM, International Aircraft Collection wrote:


Helllo,


I just lost all my work on this page.  All my years work is now gone.


Pease help me restore it. Please see attached file


Best Regards

James Smith

Open Office is not good about making sure files aren't corrupted, but
even if it were things go wrong so you need do regular backups.

As for your current problem, if the problem happened recently, there's 
probably a copy of the old file on your drive. Avoid using the computer

and get a file recovery program. It's possible it will be able to find
it.

Good luck

Malicious Posters

[John Hart]

Why do moderators of this list allow malicious posters to ruin it's 
effectiveness? On 4/6/2017 3:31 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: Get an actual 
computer and operating system instead of an Apple product. --- On 
3/9/2017 5:20 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: You really are a  dumb fuck. --- 
On 2/26/2017 12:16PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: And yet you've responded 
twice to my post, which you could have ignored. You apparently do think 
I care, and lack the self restraint to control yourself. I own you. --- 
On 2/26/2017 10:38AM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: Imagine how much I care what 
you think. --- 2017-02-26 18:01 GMT+01:00 Jim McLaughlin Why would 
Microsoft alter Windows Defender in Win 10 to make use of open source 
garbage like OO 4.1.3 easier?  You are at best naive. --- On 
2/6/2017 1:42 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: I give you a litany of the 
defects that have plagued OO since at least ver 2.0, unrepaired, and 
yourr response is personal perjorative insults. --- On 2/6/2017 1:09 PM, 
Jim McLaughlin wrote: OO is a bad joke. yaers and years with the same 
defects, --- On 2/2/2017 10:30 AM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: So you are a 
dumb shit incapable of receiving advice in th omly manner in which it is 
offered. --- On 1/29/2017 12:29 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: Yet another 
instane of a long festering defect in the OO "organization" --- On 
1/5/2017 7:19 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: SElf proclaimed Apple fanatics 
like Goeyass are incapable of actually learning. Etc

Fwd: Re: Missing unsubscribe link in messages

[John Hart]

Sent to me directly, bypassing the list.
Despite the vulgar language, it might be a clue to what's happening.
If someone received messages with the same ID without the links,
It would narrow the search for the problem.

If Jim McLaughin would like to do something constructive he could
post the source of the last message for comparison.

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Missing unsubscribe link in messages
Date:   Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:20:00 -0800
From:   Jim McLaughlin <jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com>
To: jh...@testra.com



You really are a  dumb fuck.

On my machine, every one of those messages which you edited has a footer 
as follows:


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Missing unsubscribe link in messages

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This one with the unsubscribe message quoted chastising the the
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Re: Drag and Drop in a Spreadsheet

[John Hart]

On 2/1/2017 6:40 PM, toki wrote:

Another reason people should demand Congress establish a tax credit for
>contributions to Open Source Software.

_The Apache Software Foundation_  is a 501(c)(3) organization, and as
such, donations are tax deductible.
There is a great deal of difference between a tax credit, and a 
deduction. All business expenses are deductible. Companies and 
individuals providing

for the general good of society, need to be compensated if one wants them
to do as well as competitors that don't.


>Without a credit, companies and individuals that donate to OSS, are at a 
disadvantage in the marketplace.

Companies that donate to 501(c)(3) organizations can, and usually do
deduct it, when it comes to paying taxes.

I repeat, deductions and credits are vastly different.



For companies that contribute developers, their costs are no greater
than that organizations whose developers work on closed source software.

True, but competitors can use their work, but they can't use competitors.



jonathon

Re: Drag and Drop in a Spreadsheet

[John Hart]

On 2/1/2017 2:05 PM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:



On 02/02/17 5:23 AM, Alan Pearce wrote:
Thanks to all for your help. Now I understand. I don't know why it 
can't be as easy as Excel.


Well, Microsoft has an army of engineers working on it and charge you 
for the use of their application.
OpenOffice has a couple of volunteers working on it and give you the 
application for free.


Even a simple change requires a lot of time for testing and 
documenting the changes.




Alan.


Another reason people should demand Congress establish a tax credit for 
contributions to Open Source Software. Closed software is dangerous

and poses a risk to society worse than terrorists. Open source software
is in the public interest, and needs to be funded. Without a credit, 
companies and individuals that donate to OSS, are at a disadvantage in

the marketplace. Those that don't pay, can use what they pay for and sell
it for less. OSS is the foundation for Blue ray players, but companies
that build them had no obligation or incentive to compensate people who
did the work. Inventors who want to contribute to the common good starve,
while companies that take advantage of their work get rich.

jrh

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Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]

[John Hart]

On 11/25/2016 5:41 AM, Robert Funnell wrote:
Choose whether to enable AutoRecovery and how often to save the 
information used by the AutoRecovery process.


AutoRecovery in OpenOffice.org overwrites the original file. If you 
have also chosen Always create backup copy, the original file then 
overwrites the backup copy. If you have this set, recovering your 
document after a system crash will be easier; but recovering an 
earlier version of the document may be harder.




So there's a trade-off. Has this changed recently?

And what are the default settings? More than once I've discovered that 
I did not have backup and timed AutoRecovery enabled, although I 
thought that I did.


The Emacs text editor creates timed autosave and multiple numbered 
backup copies by default and can then be flexibly configured. I've 
often wished that applications like AOO would do the same.


- Robert


Thanks for clarifying the point.

Backups can get complex, but the default shouldn't be the worst case
and cause novice users to loose everything. The focus of OO should be
on individual users, as it stands it's a big benefit to large corporations
with an IT department, for individuals who value their time, it's not the
best choice. I don't know why there's so much resistance to making is so
it's easy to learn how to use it. Styles are a fantastic idea, but the
interface is a convoluted mess. The user profile gets corrupted when it's
updated, and unless options are selected, good files can be permanently
destroyed if something goes wrong when they're saved.

jrh

Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]

[John Hart]

On 11/25/2016 2:00 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
I'm sure implementing the facilities actually took far longer than it 
took you to complain - falsely - that they are not there, in fact. But 
it was done nevertheless. And you cannot write into an application 
such as OpenOffice total protection against user error, hardware 
faults, or operating system glitches. 

I'm not complaining, just observing, and Thank you for making the point
more clearly. It appears all that's necessary is to make the features
be the default.

I looked in a directory of OO files I've been editing, and there are
no backup files, so automatic backups aren't the default.
After an upgrade, many users have a problem with the profile, and the
recommended solution is to reset it, which would most likely turn off
automatic backups.

Automatic saving of a file every 'n' minutes, and creating an automatic 
backup file aren't the same thing. If automatic saving uses the same file

name, it could be destructive, if it uses a different file name, and the
program or system crashes, how does one find the file?

If there's a crash protection file, why would the user be required to
turn it on? When you restart OO after a crash, does it ask if you want
to recover the file? When is the crash protection file deleted?

jrh


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Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]

[John Hart]

On 11/23/2016 4:36 PM, Doug wrote:
Take "extraordinary"--and the line I quoted says this is a PROBLEM 
known for some time; therefore presumably there is a way to solve it 
but nobody
has bothered.  And yes, I am careful, but nobody's perfect. OTOH, I 
don't know why anyone would shut off their computer while in the 
middle of using a
word processor. And anyone who is using a computer for serious 
business has an UPS--uninteruptable power supply.


--doug 

I use an editor written twenty years ago for technical work.
It automatically saves what you're working on every five minutes
in a scratch file so if something goes wrong, you won't loose
your changes. Another feature it has, when a file is changed, it
automatically creates a backup, so even if the scratch file
gets corrupted, the original isn't wiped out. These are simple
things to implement, and with millions of OO users, would save a
lot of people a lot of grief. A feature to protect user files
could be added in less time than has been spent chastising
users for not learning how to do backups.

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Re: Invitation to collaborate in usability survey

[John Hart]

On 10/20/2016 12:49 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote:

Willfully rude and insulting, John?

No, just an observation, after a week wasted trying to figure
out how to use Master Documents. The most important part of a
program is ease of use. The reason for the difficulty was the
parts work differently, and everyone became frustrated when I
started questioning what appeared to be contradictions in the
users guide, and in the advice I was being given.

I asked several expert programmers if they'd used Open Office,
and all said they tried, and gave up because they encountered
too many problems. I am a strong advocate of open source code,
and believe tax credit funding is necessary for it to survive.

Presently the public doesn't benefit as much from open source
as do large corporations. They can hire someone to figure out
how to use Open Office, save money and pay developers nothing.
If one's time is worth much it's far cheaper to buy something,
than figure out how to use it.

Even after I got it working, when I tried to add a blank page
it screwed everything up, no matter what I tried. It would of
been a waste of time asking readers of the list. It was clear
no one understood what was going on under the hood, they knew
how to use it, but didn't know how it worked.

jrh

Advice from two users I should have taken:

Other than care in selecting to use the same template for all components 
of a master document I can make no suggestion.  I have never needed to 
use the master documents structure for any of the documents I have 
edited/written, irrespective of their size (sometimes several thousand 
pages) and have only dabbled inconclusively with master documents.


Rory

+1
Several times in the past, I have looked at using a master document for 
a large document of mine.  However, in each case there was some 
difficulty I found with using a master document, that made me think it 
was just too much trouble.  In all of those cases, using a "flat" 
document was the best choice for me.

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Re: Invitation to collaborate in usability survey

[John Hart]

On 10/19/2016 11:04 PM, lucrecia.ller...@predoc.uam.es wrote:
This research aims to provide empirical evidence to resolve many 
usability issues with which the OpenOffice Writer community is unfamiliar.

Willfully ignorant?

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Re: PDF

[John Hart]

File > Export as PDF, Works better than

File > Print, PDFCreator, which is a Virtual Print Driver
extension for the OS.

Export produces pages that are easy to access, PDFCreator doesn't.

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Re: Inserted file headings

[John Hart]

On 10/7/2016 7:47 PM, John Hart wrote:

Now everything is working, except it starts with chapter 2,

Resolved. The Index was created with a chapter numbering style.
It didn't put it's self into the table, but did number it's self
and increment the count. Clicking on the index and changing the
style to none fixed it.

If anyone is interested in how to set up Master Documents with
generated numbering, (no outline) respond and I'll post my notes
when they're finished.

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Inserted file headings

[John Hart]

I'm trying to build a table of contents, and put the chapter title
in the file properties.Then added a heading with the title field.

When the file is inserted into the master document, the heading for
all the chapters are replaced with the title of the master document.

The index function is set to use the file headings to make the table
of contents, so it does nothing.

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

Thanks for the assistance Rory, and everyone else who tried to help.

The reason for the difficulty was an obscure bug in OO_3.3, combined
with my unusual method of learning, ended up doing things that couldn't
be undone. Some changes made to master documents are tricky to reverse,
and some how got saved, so the master document became corrupt in a way
that was screwing up page numbering, even after everything inserted had
been deleted.

A search for numbering problems in master documents, reveals many have
had similar problems, and quit using OO in disgust because they wasted
so much time trying to solve it.

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2016 9:59 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
Aaargh! Please don't involve new red herrings. Page numbering is 
controlled by *page styles*, not templates, not the clutch pedal, not 
the key of C# minor ... 
Until page numbering was added to the template, page numbering didn't 
work, so the template must be significant.


I would guess the vast majority of OO users, don't use master documents, and
would encounter similar problems if they tried.

Some simple answers should solve the problem.

From the writers guide:

1) Open a new document from the template you created in Step 2,
by clicking New > Templates and Documents, then selecting
the template you created.

Be sure the first page of this new document is set to
the page style you want for the first page of the final
document; if it is not, change it.

Is this done by inserting a page break,
and selecting something from the menu?

In our example, the style for the first page is Title page.

There is no Title page option, but their is a first page,
is this what should be selected, or am I on the wrong track?

jrh

Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2016 3:11 PM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
The problem is that you don't read the answers given already to you. 
for example Rory said in one of his many answers :


One can certainly edit a style after it is used.

AND, he also said

The built in styles are usually adequate for all but the most complex 
formatting, so I took his advice and was seeking information on how to
use them.

AND, When what I was told to do didn't work, I was trying to clarify
what needed to be done to get the correct style in the right place.

The response I was looking for was a set of instructions on how to
accomplish a simple task, not criticism for failing to master what
a novice user should be able to do in a flash.

I don't want a polished document, just a draft with a title and table of
contents. I know how powerful styles can be, but that doesn't mean is
should be difficult to set up for a simple task.

I would appreciate it, if someone who understands the underlying structure page 
numbering in styles would explain how they work at the software level.

Starting with the template.
Does the title page need a different template without page numbering?
If not, what overrides the page number, how is it inserted, and where
does it go?
etc.

jrh


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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2016 10:30 AM, toki wrote:

Look at the page style for Chapter 1. It should be_Right Page_.

1. A right click on the first page of chapter 1 brings up a menu.
2. Towards the bottom of the menu is Edit Paragraph Style.
3. Is this the right place to make the change?

The Organizer tab shows:

Name,Pre formatted text, which can't be changed.
Next style,  Pre formatted text, and the pop down menu has many selections,
 none close to "Right Page"
Linked with, Default, and the pop down menu has a similar but different
 list of selections, none close to "Right Page"

From what I understand, styles are associated with paragraphs, not pages,
and style changes propagate in some magic way that makes them work if they
are placed correctly in an underlying structure by a myriad of tools who's
use is NOT intuitively obvious.

All I wanted to do was put a title page, and table of contents in front 
of a multi file document that prints exactly as it needs to. Why this is 
so complex, in what is supposed to be a mature software package used by 
millions is hard to under stand. If volunteers at OO want their project 
to succeed they need to stop adding features, and make it easy for first 
users to do something productive with the software without having to 
learn a bunch of

intricate complexities.

This is the structure
text1, when empty, prints correct
file1, prints correct
file2, prints correct
text2, empty

The question: What needs to go in text1 in what order to make it work.

If files can be linked into text1, than all that would be in it is the
commands to make the styles put the Title Page, and Contents page in
front of file1, and start the page numbering with one.

In user friendly software, this should take about ten minutes,
not ten hours.

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2016 1:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

My advice is to forget working on your main document for the present - it is 
too complex for initial learning and one is always worried that a wrong action 
will destroy it.  Make a short trial file and use that to set up sample page 
numbering.
The main document is just a list of files. It makes it a little slow 
opening,
but there's no danger of them being corrupted, and they're securely 
backed up.


I brought up the style editor, which has more properties than the pop down.
It has a place for a name, but it wouldn't let me change it. It was
opened by right clicking on a paragraph, which is probably why. How
are new styles created, and shouldn't the styles that came with the
software be sufficient for the simple task of making a Title page,
Copyright page, and table of contents?

Is there a way to change the style selected when a break was inserted?
If not, how are they found and deleted?

Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/4/2016 6:57 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
Why use a legacy version? Is the bug that you have yet to upgrade 
software from January 2011 which was rendered obsolete in May 2012?



I'm working on an obsolete computer with limited disk space,
and it's a simple project that won't be using advanced features.



The 3.3 Writer Guide illustrates (on page 182) that the same options 
are available in manual page breaks as in current versions (and as in 
Illustration 20 in the Writer for Students manual). What are you not 
seeing? 
I don't know the structure of the style process, or any familiarity with 
the tools. What 's intuitively obvious to you,

will make little sense to me until I understand it.

When I right click on a paragraph, I get a pop down menu with Default at 
the top, and a list of properties.

I assume if they're changed, it changes the default, not a good idea.

Towards the bottom is: Edit Paragraph Style...

It brings up the style editor, which has more properties than the pop 
down, and a place for a name.
If  the name is changed and the changes saved, I assume it will get 
added to the style list.


In the editing screen there is an item that says: Next Style,  and the 
box has Default in it.

I'm not sure what it's for, but it's obviously important.

Below it is another item that says: Linked with, the box has None in it.
I don't know what this does either.

Below it is Category, Text Styles, grayed out,
and below that a large box with the label: Contains, inside it, don't 
count lines.


So what needs to be done to get page numbering, centering, and fonts for:
The Title page,
the Copyright notice,
and the table of contents.

I would like the table of contents to have page numbers for the chapters,
and it would be nice to have the chapter names come from the documents.
Is that easy to do?

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/4/2016 6:43 PM, toki wrote:

Select the appropriate attributes for the appropriate styles.

I'd have to look at the document in question, to explain why it produces
the result it does. I suspect that it due to the inserted page not
having headers/footers in which page numbers can be inserted, and
forcing all subsequent pages to be of the same style.

Title page
Copyright page
Table of contents, would like the page number included.
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
...
Chapter n.
Epilogue

The Title, Copyright, and Table were pasted into the TEXT block
at the beginning, separated by inserted Manual Breaks. If those
breaks were wrong, can they be replaced, or edited?

Does it need three separate TEXT blocks at the beginning?

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/4/2016 6:05 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:

The trick is to first set up the page styles.

Can a style be edited after it's used?
If so how is it done?

On the far left of the bottom command bar there's a toggle icon.
One view shows a list of files, the other functions.

At the top of the file list is an object called text.
The instructions implied the title, copyright, table of contents,
and preface are in this block.
The instructions said insert a manual break,
which brings up a list of three options, line break, column break, and 
page break. I don't know what a column break does, but the instructions 
said page break so it doesn't matter. At below the options is a pop down 
of styles.

[none]
Default
Envelop
First page
Index
Landscape
Right page
Left page

I use First page for the Title, expecting it not to have a page number,
but it does.

Do I need four text blocks in front of the files? Or can the four
sections go in one block? I would like the page numbers for the chapters
in the table of contents. Is the Index used for that?

If I understood the structure OO was creating, it would be easy to figure
out how to use the tool. If I knew how to use the tool, I could figure out
the structure, but knowing neither makes it very hard to use.

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/4/2016 12:12 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

Just because styles are powerful, doesn't mean they have to be hard to use.
>A list of style attributes, and a diagram of how they propagate would bemost 
useful. Does such a document exist?
>
>jrh
>
  
See the file referenced in this posting for an overview of using Style

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=275320#p275320

This document may also be informative:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students
This latter document is "Writer for Students" (several languages)--

Unfortunately they don't provide the information I need.

The numbering system works until I insert pages in front of the body for 
the title, etc.
Then every other page gets numbered, and if the number is odd, page 
numbering for

the whole document is turned off.

Is this a BUG in OO 3.3 that was fixed in later versions?
If so, is there a workaround?
If it's not a BUG,  what needs to be added to make it work..
The manual discusses Roman Numeral numbering of the preface,
and uses page break insertion options the version I'm using doesn't have.

jrh

Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/3/2016 11:22 AM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:



On 10/02/2016 11:04 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab 
and put a checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that 
appears at page bottom, enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page 
number. That presupposes you need the page number centred, hence the 
tab.

Thanks, it worked correctly.

The next problem is when the document is inserted into the master,
page numbering is lost. How are page numbers enabled in master
documents?

jrh
Other than care in selecting to use the same template for all 
components of a master document I can make no suggestion.  I have 
never needed to use the master documents structure for any of the 
documents I have edited/written, irrespective of their size 
(sometimes several thousand pages) and have only dabbled 
inconclusively with master documents.


Rory


+1
Several times in the past, I have looked at using a master document 
for a large document of mine.  However, in each case there was some 
difficulty I found with using a master document, that made me think it 
was just too much trouble.  In all of those cases, using a "flat" 
document was the best choice for me.

Girvin Herr

The immediate problem is solved. The template for the master document 
didn't have a footer with the page number. Adding them to the template,
it used, turned numbering on in all the files, saving a lot of time. 
Knowing how something works is much more important to me, than long 
winded instruction on how to use the program, especially when they don't 
match what I'm trying to do.


Just because styles are powerful, doesn't mean they have to be hard to use.
A list of style attributes, and a diagram of how they propagate would be 
most useful. Does such a document exist?


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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/2/2016 2:22 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

Page numbering question:
>
>Is their a simple way to get page numbers at the bottom of the page?
>Inserting a page number worked, but following pages didn't inherit
>property. Do I have to create a footer and insert the page number into it?
>
>jrh

In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab and put a 
checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that appears at page bottom, 
enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page number. That presupposes you need the 
page number centred, hence the tab.

Thanks, it worked correctly.

The next problem is when the document is inserted into the master,
page numbering is lost. How are page numbers enabled in master
documents?

jrh

Page numbering

[John Hart]

Page numbering question:

Is their a simple way to get page numbers at the bottom of the page?
Inserting a page number worked, but following pages didn't inherit
property. Do I have to create a footer and insert the page number into it?

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Re: spreadsheet password

[John Hart]

On 8/20/2016 6:09 AM, MICHELLE BARTON wrote:

Hi
Can anyone please tell me how I can access my saved spreadsheets without my 
password, ive tried every password ive ever used and searched the internet on 
recovery and have found nothing, please advise

If the password was in your mind at one time, it's probably still there.
If you can remember what you were doing when you first use it, it might 
come back, or you might recall it in a hypnotic trance.


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3.3 to 4.1.2 upgrade

[John Hart]

Can 4.1.2 be installed while leaving 3.3 untouched and operational?

If so, what needs to be done to save the old version?

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Re: User having issues with Open Office

[John Hart]

Can someone explain why the unsubscribe message is missing from this email?

Message source follows 



From - Thu Mar 03 13:36:08 2016
X-Account-Key: account2
X-UIDL: L)3!!hOJ!!E46!!2UK!!
X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
X-Mozilla-Status2: 
X-Mozilla-Keys:
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Re: Encrypted Calc file got corrupted

[John Hart]

On 2/27/2016 2:53 PM, Adam Bujdoso wrote:

Dear Group,

I have a problem for which I am hoping to get some help from you.

I am trying to open an encrypted Calc ods file with some quite important
data in it, however, when I type in the password after being prompted to
do so, I get an error message "The file is corrupt and therefore cannot be



If the beginning of the file is corrupt, it will be impossible to 
salvage anything.
The best chance of recovering it would be to take the hard drive out of 
the computer
and try to find an uncorrupted copy of the file. You can search for a 
copy without
removing the drive, the danger is the OS might overwrite the file, which 
becomes

more likely the longer it's using the drive.
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Re: Updates

[John Hart]

On 2/26/2016 2:25 PM, Andrew Pitonyak wrote:


You obviously feel strongly about this as do many others who prefer 
the other way. Please do not start this religious war yet again.


On 26.02.2016 14:20, jd1008 wrote:

PLease, I ask people to stop TOP POSTING!!! It destroys the
sequential flow of the thread!!!
See bottom for my reply.



1. If the message is short, bottom posting with a full quote makes sense.
2. If the message is long, short partial quotes, with the reply at the 
bottom makes sense.
3. If the message is long, quoting the whole thing and putting a short 
reply at the bottom

is EXTREMELY rude.

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Re: please

[John Hart]

On 1/29/2016 4:20 AM, David Rivers wrote:
In order for an unsubscribe web page to work it would have to 
recognize the user who's wanting to unsubscribe, otherwise anyone 
could unsubscribe anyone else. To get around that a paasword system 
would have to be established and the web page hosted and maintained. I 
fail to see how that simplifies things.
Clicking on the appropriate link at the bottom of any message from any 
member of the group, then clicking "send", waiting a minute for a 
confirmation request to arrive then returning that as requested seems 
to me to be much easier.
Ive subscribed to hundreds of lists. Recently I found I was getting too 
much email,
and I clicked on the unsubscribe link at the bottom of about twenty of 
them. None of the pages
asked for a password, and every one unsubscribed the address passed to 
it  without a problem.


The reason for the suggestions was to improve the list, not to add to 
the clutter. By the quality of the product,
it's obvious a lot of smart people donated time on the OO project. Why 
something as simple as fixing a minor
unsubscribe problem, generates so much opposition is beyond 
understanding, and besides that, I don't think

making excuses does anyone any good.

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Re: please

[John Hart]

On 1/29/2016 3:20 PM, John Hart wrote:

On 1/29/2016 4:20 AM, David Rivers wrote:
In order for an unsubscribe web page to work it would have to 
recognize the user who's wanting to unsubscribe, otherwise anyone 
could unsubscribe anyone else.
Not true. The person maliciously unsubscribing someone, would have to 
have a copy of their email,
and if that was the case, I think getting wrongly unsubscribed from this 
list would be the least of their
problems. I get hundreds of  mails a day and I know how to deal with 
them, but many people don't,
and there is no way to unsubscribe to people complaining they can 
unsubscribe, without making a

complex filter for this group.

I think some sites distributing copies of OO, subscribe people to the 
list, and call it support. Making
it easier for those who don't want to receive it to stop it, would take 
a little work, but I'm sure people
having trouble unsubscribing, and monitors that have to deal with them 
would appreciate it.


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Re: please

[John Hart]

On 1/27/2016 3:43 PM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:


Sent from my mobile device.


On 28 Jan 2016, at 7:52 AM, Maurice Howe  wrote:

I (and others) have yelled for years about this.  The "unsubscribe" things
is taking WAY too much time and resource.
It's easily (in theory, anyway) fixed:

Unsubscribe is easy as well, all you need to remember is the email address you 
used while subscribing to the mailing list. But when you unsubscribe with an 
other email address you're in trouble.


Not when the link you click to unsubscribe, transfers the TO address in 
the header to the unsubscribe webpage.


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Re: please

[John Hart]

On 1/27/2016 2:52 PM, Maurice Howe wrote:

I (and others) have yelled for years about this.  The "unsubscribe" things is 
taking WAY too much time and resource.  It's easily (in theory, anyway)fixed: just build a 
macro with the req'd steps -- one that's generalized & easily executed -- and end this 
nonsense once for all.

Maurice Howe



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Re: please

[John Hart]

On 1/27/2016 8:17 PM, Daniel DeFoe wrote:

I am sort of new here, and I won't pretend to know much, but it seems that
it would be nice if someone with more skill than I have could set up a
Wiki, that way anyone could sign in who wants to, they could quit when they
wanted to, not show up if they don't want to. Contribute if they want to.
I won't pretend to know all that it would require, but it is just an idea
from something I was reading about connected to another project that I am
working with.

On 28 January 2016 at 04:13, Daniel DeFoe 
wrote:

USENET was on the verge of becoming a very useful public data base, when 
it was forced into the background
by commercial interests, and government censors. Blog software with a 
few AI extensions could turn this list

into something to be proud of.

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Re: please

[John Hart]

The math was way off, the point wasn't. Most mail lists have unsubscribe 
links that aren't so problem prone.
What would be much better is a blog, with mail notification of responses 
to one's post. That way people would
get answers to their question, with out all the NOISE, and it would be 
easier to form a data base of queries.


Support is the most important part of any software project, be it open 
source or not. If volunteers of this project

want it to be successful, they must get their act together.

jrh

Tax credits for contributions to open source software is the answer.

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Re: please

[John Hart]

On 1/27/2016 8:13 PM, Daniel DeFoe wrote:

To John Heart
  I like your idea for the tax credits, but since you are then competing
with Microsoft and all of those other companies that are collecting big
money and are there for paying bigger monies to the governement, good luck
on that one.  ( not that I don't wish it would happen - but the real world
has greedy politicians and they know who to go to for money to support
their desired life styles, and they are the ones who get the tax credits,
the ones that pay the politicians for them).



Corporations like Microsoft would get credit for supporting OSS. 
Everyone would benefit, except virus writers,

snoopers, thieves and black hackers.

jrh

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Re: please

[John Hart]

Of the 13,000+ emails I've received from the list, more than 10% 
(1,740)  concern unsubscribing.


If there are a thousand readers of the list, and they spent six seconds 
on each, that's five thousand hours.


A small sample below:

658irst politely asked you to please unsubscribe me after that, you
658f the show and refuse to manually unsubscribe me is block every s
658et, you can't even get one simple unsubscribe to work. I have see
658users too, so, stop telling me to unsubscribe when it is not work
1339can unsubscribe by sending a blank e-mail to
15372How do I unsubscribe from this group?
32650Note that the unsubscribe request and your later confirmation ema
33855 attention or *learning* how to unsubscribe or I'll wager
33859 had to subscribe and unsubscribe to this list and it worked fla
33892s that makes you believe that the unsubscribe mechanism fails
33935>> >> I did the unsubscribe think again and they keep coming.
34040> > Do I have to unsubscribe each and every e-mail
34052Unfortunately the unsubscribe seems to malfunction often.
34140> > I did the unsubscribe think again and they keep coming.
38926Then reply to the confirm unsubscribe email you reeive
39908How do I unsubscribe from these mails?
44928bullshit" and repeated unsubscribe advice.
44946> > unsubscribe to end the whining bullshit.
45107Suepke wrote concerning "Re: Unsubscribe Me Posts & Thread H
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45614tried to unsubscribe someone that is not subscribed, which will f
46177 robot which runs the subscribe / unsubscribe function.
46342Sent my unsubscribe request 3 times at
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75083ing else. But am being forced to  unsubscribe as the only way to
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Re: Donate Link

[John Hart]

On 1/15/2016 8:41 AM, Bart Bowers wrote:

OpenOffice,

I have been using AOo for a few years and just donated $50 in Bitcoin.

The link to donate was hard to find. I think you should put the link on the top main 
menu, just to the right of "Download"

Thank you for all of your hard work.

Regards,


Until the people demand politicians establish tax credits for 
contributions to Open Source Software, it will
never be a viable alternative to commercial products.  Companies that 
fund, and individuals that donate
time or money to OSS, will always be at a disadvantage in the market 
place. Their work can be used by
companies that don't contribute, which gives them an advantage over 
time, and they become dominant.


This is the fatal flaw of unbridled capitalism, what empowers the greedy 
to take over. By not giving credit
to individuals and corporations that serve the people, those that don't 
gain control. When the only
alternative people are offered is Socialism, the system oscillates back 
and forth between two unworkable

options until the system fails and the society dies.

Support Rand, he's one of the few who understands the concentration of 
power is what's causing America
to fail, not which party holds it. When people are empowered to solve 
problems, things get better, when

government or large corporations take over, things get worse.

jrh

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Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

On 1/11/2016 6:53 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

John,

If you look at the raw SMTP headers that you presented in the first remark 
about From and To, you'll see that Reply-To has the list address, and also 
there is a List-Id field that could be used.  Delivered-To might be useful also.

I know that some email clients don't present these, but it may still be 
possible to have filter rules on them.


Thanks, I found a tab in Thunderbird to add filter types.

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Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

On 1/11/2016 5:21 PM, Richard Detwiler wrote:

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:


Brian Barker  said:

The difference in the message you quote is that the To: field did *not* 
contain the list address.


Then asked:

Was this put into a Bcc: field by the author?

I'm not sure why he asked me that, I'm not clairvoyant,
so I responded:

How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with random 
addresses?


To which you replied.

Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".

And we've gone in a complete circle.

Mail from the list has the wrong address, but it's the user's fault
so nothing can or should be done about it according to Brian.

Usenet was a much better forum than lists, I guess that's why the 
establishment killed it.

Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

I don't care about the spam problem caused by the list distributing my 
address, but I do care about email going into the wrong box. What the 
author does to his email, shouldn't effect what the list sends me. How 
am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with random 
addresses?


On 1/11/2016 2:16 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 13:12 11/01/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:
Every once in a while the OO list server sends an email with the 
subscriber's address in the From: so it goes to the Inbox: or Spam: 
instead of OO:.

To:
From: =?utf-8?q?syrovy=2Ev?= <syrov...@centrum.cz> <*LOOK*


You have this rather confused. *All* messages come with the author's 
address in the From: field. This message from you came with your 
address in its From: field; anyone who wants it has your address. This 
is as it should be: that is the purpose and function of the From: 
field. The difference in the message you quote is that the To: field 
did *not* contain the list address. Was this put into a Bcc: field by 
the author?



People get enough spam without OO distributing their addresses.


The list always gives people's addresses (though some web interfaces 
suppress these).



Someone should look into and fix this problem.


No problem: someone shouldn't.

Brian Barker

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Re: Please Help

[John Hart]

On 1/11/2016 2:59 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:

On Jan 11, 2016, at 16:13, Peter Koch  wrote:

I am trying to generate random numbers without duplicate numbers being 
generated.

Mathematicians will tell you that a set of numbers isn't truly random if 
duplicates are disallowed.  You seem to want a random ordering of the integers 
in the range.


Power Ball tickets don't have space for duplicate numbers


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Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

On 1/11/2016 6:41 PM, David Rivers wrote:

Richard Detwiler wrote:

On 1/11/2016 7:12 PM, John Hart wrote:
How am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with 
random addresses? 


Filter on the "To" line which is "users@openoffice.apache.org".



... or filter on the "Reply-To:" line. :)



Thanks, it wasn't in the filter list, but there was a tab to add it.

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Re: Email

[John Hart]

After writing a letter in OO, there are many ways to send it.

The simplest would be to highlight it, press ctl-c, switch to the blank 
email window and press ctl-v.


If format and appearance are important, convert it to PDF and attach it.

If the receiver wants to edit the document, save it in the desired 
format, zip it and attach it.




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Re: revolting support

[John Hart]

Every once in a while the OO list server sends an email with the
subscriber's address in the From: so it goes to the Inbox: or Spam:
instead of OO:.

People get enough spam without OO distributing their addresses. Someone
should look into and fix this problem.


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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[John Hart]

On 6/27/2015 2:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, John Hart wrote:


On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote:

  However, if there were
to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a 
line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately 
returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly 
environment. 



A reasonable suggestion


not reasonable at all from my point of view.

I have to edit a collection of essays once a yr. styles are invaluable.

if hitting a line return changed styles, the work would be very 
difficult.


suppose I have a long quotation with indents and containing several 
paragraphs. I want the line returns to preserve formatting.


if I want to drop out of a style I either change the style (some of 
them I have tied to key combinations) or hit 'clear formatting.'
I have a CNC that can do most anything better than a drill press, yet I 
use the drill press more. It appears by your answer, there is a way for 
him to do what he wants. It's much better to inform, than call people 
stupid. (unreasonable)


jrh

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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[John Hart]

On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:

On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote:

  However, if there were
to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line 
or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to 
the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment. 



A reasonable suggestion

You've already told us that you do not intend to learn styles. There 
is no need to give us more proof that you don't know how to use them.



Followed by an /ad hominem response


/

Re: NUMBERING

[John Hart]

Animals and people get angry and lash out at those trying to help them. 
As funny as the complaint and the response are,
the list's purpose would be better addressed by answering the ANGRY 
user's implied question,

how to use the numbering system!

jrh

On 5/27/2015 11:44 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2015-05-27 20:32 GMT+02:00 James Plante jimpla...@me.com:


Good. If you’ll never use this software again, that means you won’t be
typing email in all caps like a noob, and you won’t be insulting all the
volunteer users who populate this forum. As a non-user, we won’t see you
any more. I like that. Life is good.

clip

I think it was hilarious, I want more of that! It's fun when people make
fools of themselves. But maybe this isn't the right place for it…


Johnny Rosenberg




On May 27, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Robert Radzikowski iha...@aol.com wrote:

HEY I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK ON YOUR AUTOMATIC NUMBERING

SYSTEM, ITS HORRIBLE! THIS IS THE FIRST TIME USING YOUR SYSTEM
AND I GOTTA TELL YA IM VERY VERY UNHAPPY WITH IT, ITS ABSOLUTE CRAP

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Re: OpenOffice 4.1.1. failure to perform

[John Hart]

Copy and paste is a data typed procedure that depends on the operating 
system. You can use print to PDF
to solve the problem and it will work with any application, not just OO. 
I think OO can make PDFs but I use



 PDFCreator http://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator/download



On 3/14/2015 5:13 PM, Kandi wrote:

Worked very hard for the past few weeks to design  create a Presentation to
use with my gmail.com.

The pages fail to copy  paste correctly.  When I do copy and then try to paste
a single page on to the gmail, only the text pastes not the whole page with
background.  I am so exhausted I have sat  cried after working day  night
until 3am  time after time.

I folowed directions to copy  paste for nothing.  All the work I did, I cannot
even trasfer it to another program.

And to make matters worse, I couldn't explain to you even on Facebook, or by
email.

I am now trying this approach but you failing to provide adequate contact, this
probably won't go through either.  Why have you created such a malfunctioning
system?


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Re: How to prevent very long text in a cell overlap the footer in Calc?

[John Hart]

On 6/11/2014 6:39 PM, Rochelle wrote:

If this forum is to be a meaningful source of shared knowledge, no matter
what skill level or ability the poster has, there must be respect and and
decorum.  If a poster has a question to ask, there may be many others
seeking the same or similar solution.

If you can't contribute to the body of knowledge, then don't reply at all.

Allowing such remarks is off putting to others, enough to prevent someone
from future contributions or asking of help.


​IMHO,​

Rochelle


I agree. When a question is asked, no matter how lame it appears, a 
snide response is the worst thing one can do.


jhr

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Re: Remove me from this mailing list . This is my 3rd request

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Please note the   List Conduct Guidelines;

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Re: Shame on you. A message to Terry Lugviel

[John Hart]

On 4/27/2014 8:48 PM, Terry Lugviel wrote:

It was from OpenOffice.org. clip

Either way, it's your god damn fault and I hope someone I've written to 
fucks your company so hard in the ass it drive you out of business and 
into the god damn streets :


Terry,

1. You owe readers of this list and volunteers that donate time to 
provide people with free software an apology.
2. If you're as mad as you say about the culprit, find the URL in was 
downloaded from in the browser history and

email it to this list.
3. If the name was open office it means your DNS was hacked and sent you 
to a forged site because downloads from
the official site don't contain anything but AOO. If the name was 
close and did something illegal it can be shut down.
4. By the vulgarity and lack of respect you show, I suspect you're an 
idiot, if not and you were just venting, send a
message to the list and someone might volunteer to help you get rid 
of the malware and it would help them do

something about the bogus site.

jrh

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Re: Very dissapointed

[John Hart]

On 1/4/2014 8:16 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM, nick van benthem
nick_bent...@hotmail.com wrote:

I deleted some text and then got it back useing control z and then the programm 
crashed. And i didnt saved the progress and with the recovery hè couldnt Get 
back the progress.


But when did you save the file?  If you deleted some text, did a
control z and then the program crashed, then the file on disk has not
changed.  Unless you did something like: delete some text, save the
file, did a control-z and then it crashed?  But if you did that then
you were vulnerable to many ways of losing your document, such as a
power outage.

-Rob
If the information is critical it might be retrieved using a sector 
editor. Search the drive for a phrase
known to be in the file and if you're lucky, the rest will be with it. 
When editing important files
it's a good idea to keep incremental backups. When a file is saved with 
the same name, the original

is effectively over written and won't be in the trash.

jrh

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How to print graphs

[John Hart]

How do you get charts to print on one page?
Is there a print to fit option?
When the printer is changed from portrait to landscape does OO reformat 
for the setting?


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Re: How to print graphs

[John Hart]

On 12/11/2013 2:59 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 02:36 11/12/2013 -0700, John Hart wrote:
How do you get charts to print on one page? Is there a print to fit 
option?


Yes.  Set Format | Page... | Sheet | Scale | Scaling mode to Fit 
print range(s) to width/height or Fit print range(s) on number of 
pages.


When the printer is changed from portrait to landscape does OO 
reformat for the setting?


No.  (You may be guilty of Microsoft-Office-think.)  But it does when 
you change the page format at Format | Page... | Page | Orientation.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

Thanks. Having the print format saved in the drawing is much better than 
changing OS printer settings.


jrh

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Re: Lynn Brubaker, how to unsubscribe

[John Hart]

There are only four messages from Lynn. None asking for help with AOO 
and It's obvious she didn't request to be on the list, nor anyone else 
using her email address. How did she get subscribed to the list This 
has happened quite a few times and it's supposed to be that In order to 
be subscribe one must reply to an email from the list. That doesn't 
appear to true in this case or others I've looked in to.  Someone should 
find out how this happened and make sure it doesn't happen again.


jrh


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  LYNN BRUBAKER Today
  Converting sdw files

help.  I don't know how I got on this email list but can someone 
get me off.


  LYNN BRUBAKER Today
  Backwards compatibility

help.  I don't know how I got on this email list but can someone 
get me off.


  LYNN BRUBAKER Today
  AOO can't open .xlsx spreadsheet at Cornell site

help.  I don't know how I got on this email list but can someone 
get me off.


  LYNN BRUBAKER 8/24/2013 5:36 AM
  Help I'm being invaded

Every day I get about 10 emails concerning how to work Open 
Office.  Every day I get rid of them by putting them in junk, but the 
next day I'll get about ten more.  I don't think they are people trying 
to contact Apache Open Office, but the old Open Office - now defunct.  
Is there any way you can t…



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Re: Secure Password Problem

[John Hart]

On 8/5/2013 2:38 PM, Duffield wrote:

Unfortunately, the blue screens took care of the rebooting question-there
have been innumerable reboots since this problem appeared.

I know that when a reboot has been forced while an OO file is open, during
the boot up process OO gives the option to recover the file (but from that
point on it is a Read-Only file and cannot be changed).  Knowing that
limitation, I gave up trying to recover under those circumstanced and just
cancelled out of the offer.  It was only after I had done that that the
corrupted password problem appeared.  I was hoping I might be able to force
a recovery without being prompted to do so during boot up.

Yes, it was an ODF file.  Although numerous reboots have passed, I will
still look at the temporary files to see if I find anything, on an off
chance.  Thank you very much for the tip.

Bob


A Windows file recovery program may be your only option at this point.



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Re: The big balagan...

[John Hart]

On 2/21/2013 11:28 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 14:22 21/02/2013 -0700, John Hart wrote:

How did this happen?


Someone sent a message to many of his correspondents as well as to the 
list.



PLEASE keep the list secure, ...


Again, you appear to think the addresses you saw had something to do 
with list membership.  Surely not?

That's good to know, thanks.

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Re: The big balagan...

[John Hart]

On 2/21/2013 12:44 PM, JB wrote:

   Because of the major foul-up of a couple of list members today by sending 
out the complete addresses of everyone in the 'To' field, it made me think to 
ask a question that might possibly help end or at least slow that kind of 
mistake down.

  
How did this happen? I received only the first part of the list in one 
email and the last part in another. Hardly enough to keep a spam 
generator happy for more than a few seconds!


PLEASE keep the list secure, I get more than enough spam already!

And what did the subject,
Today is International Mother Language Day

have to do with the AOO user forum?

jrh

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Re: Files anaccountably locked for editing

[John Hart]

Tom,
Very good response, the reason I subscribe to the list.
jrh

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Re: Problem

[John Hart]

To the list moderator, how did this post get to me without an 
unsubscribe link?


On 12/28/2012 4:10 PM, ssilb...@juno.com wrote:

All of a sudden all my files load with the edit button pressed. Everything is 
underlined. If I release the edit button I am in read only mode. Sometimes when 
I reboot it is ok. Other times not. What is going on? I have the latest version 
3.4? did that do this?


ssiber1, It sounds like an operating system problem, what are you using?

jrh

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Re: Problem

[John Hart]

On 12/28/2012 8:15 PM, John Hart wrote:
To the list moderator, how did this post get to me without an 
unsubscribe link?


On 12/28/2012 4:10 PM, ssilb...@juno.com wrote:
All of a sudden all my files load with the edit button pressed. 
Everything is underlined. If I release the edit button I am in read 
only mode. Sometimes when I reboot it is ok. Other times not. What is 
going on? I have the latest version 3.4? did that do this?


ssiber1, It sounds like an operating system problem, what are you using?

jrh

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If you just upgraded you might try resetting the user profile, it can 
cause all sorts of problems.


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Re: Odd behavior in Writer

[John Hart]

On 12/27/2012 10:29 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
Yes, when I turned on my laptop this morning, the touchpad was turned 
ON again so it looks as though I will just have to include that step 
in my routine for starting up each session.  And turning the touchpad 
off does seem to have cured the problems I was having... except for 
the automatic changing of font size in the Firefox editor.  That one 
is still bugging me... but that is a topic for another forum.


from: 
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/turn-off-windows-7-touch-pad-when-remote-mouse/db408bc8-aa90-4945-919b-f8bb860a6f0f


Here are few steps to disable touchpad while using external mouse.

1.  Click the Start button on your computer screen (bottom left corner), 
then type main.cpl in the search box. When you are finish typing, click 
Enter on your keyboard.


2.  In the new window that opens, click the Device Settings tab at the 
top. It should be the last one on the right.


3.  While in the Device Settings section, make sure the name of your 
touchpad is highlighted (it should be already), then click the Disable 
button. Click OK, then click OK again when the warning box pops up.


If the issue still persists, then I suggest that you contact the 
manufacturer of the computer to check if there are any latest drivers 
available for windows 7 and install the same.



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