Re: Discouraging how updates seem like downgrades

[Bill Gallik]

 Thanks Mark.

Assembly would be quite intensive, but standard C is not an Object Oriented 
Programming language neither - and there are others as well.

The thing about OOP is that Class and Class Inheritance isn’t always obvious 
where “collateral impact” is concerned and although OOP does streamline program 
implementation I wonder if it doesn’t afford introduction of some of these 
issues.

I cannot see a realistic possibility of Apple changing to a non-OOP coding 
language, but I think this does help explain why these issues arise after a 
system upgrade.  I just cannot entertain the notion that Apple - nor any 
company - engineers would intentionally or carelessly introduce some of these 
issues.  Correcting such problems is so very expensive!

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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Bill Gallik]

 Hey Donna,

This is indeed strange; I have two iDevices, each with iOS 11.3 installed - an 
iPhone 6 and an iPad II.

The iPhone has the Emoji pronunciation issue concerning this thread, the iPad 
does not!  



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RE: Discouraging how updates seem like downgrades

[M. Taylor]

Hello Bill,

A very, very insightful observation about object-oriented-programming.  

While this thought had not occurred to me, now that you bring it to our 
attention, I concur.  

The only non-object oriented programming language of which I am aware is 
assembly.  Are you suggesting that were assembly being used, these problems 
would not occur so frequently?  

Just something to consider.

Mark

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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:39 AM
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Hi Katya,

I realize that what I’m about to write here is not going to mitigate the 
“update” frustrations, but I don’t think that Apple engineers are doing any of 
this intentionally.

Rather, what I believe we (the VoiceOver user community) are experiencing is 
one of the serious flaws of Object Oriented Programming languages (i.e., C++ 
and others).  That is, the propensity to introduce unintended consequences.  So 
much of code in OOP is “hidden” from the programmers in favor of a more 
automated to coding that situations can arise that were not ever considered 
possible.

I’m confident that Apple engineers will get this resolved, but it does appear 
that VoiceOver integration testing is somewhat lacking - no doubt!


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RE: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[M. Taylor]

Hello Rich,

I am experiencing the same pronunciation problem in iOS 11.3 on all three phone 
that I tested including my 6 S, 7, and 8 Plus devices.  

Mind you I removed and then reinstalled Samantha Enhanced TTS on all three 
phones but the results were the same.

As I have stated on more than one occasion, I'm getting to the point where I'm 
almost afraid of updating, these days. (sad smile)

Mark 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

I just called Apple Accessibility and had the support person listen to my work 
phone's pronunciation of Emoji. 
I demonstrated that the Karen voice said it correctly, but Tom and the Siri 
Female did not.
She tried it on her phone, and Samantha said it correctly.
But, since she heard mine, she will report it to the engineers. 
I decided having someone hear it would be better than trying to explain it in 
writing.
But, sending in written reports certainly could help.
Later,
Richard


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On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
Same here, Richard. Anyhow, let’s all report this to Apple Accessibility since 
I suspect this is not a difficult item for them to fix.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade
 
 
This is truly fascinating. I just installed Samantha Enhanced and it does the 
strange new pronunciation which is about 5 or 6 syllables.  
So, for me, Samantha Enhanced, Tom Enhanced, and Siri Female all do this 
strange new combination of emodican and emogi sort of.
But, being in the US if I switch to Australian Karen, it uses the old familiar 
two syllable word.
This is so strange I may take the time later to call Apple Accessibility and 
have them listen to it and see what they say.
Later,
Richard
 
 
“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:23 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
Yep, definitely on the current version.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:
 
Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right? 
This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.
 
Richard
 
 
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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader  wrote:
I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it and 
it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't recognize 
the problem either or Samantha.
Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App of 
choice. 

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:
Kelby, 
Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the Australian 
voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my default US 
english voice, or another US English voice, the strange pronunciation is used.
Very odd. indeed.
Richard
 
 
“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:
Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when just 
using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was saying 
and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by letter. It is 
spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old word 
emoji together.
So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the dictionary 
under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the j so it says 
emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables at least.
 
I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old pronunciation 
back.
Richard
 
 
 
 
“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi  wrote:
Same here. It is strange.
 
 
Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: 

RE: Editing something I have dictated

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Applevis has fantastic search functionality. Just look for the edit field 
and type in the word or term you want to search for and press enter.
Now use your headings to find the search results and you can now filter it 
further, you can, for example, apply a "Podcast" filter if you want to see only 
Podcasts with your search term. You can also apply an "App Directory" filter 
and many more, just check it out, it's super easy and of course 100% accessible.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Editing something I have dictated

How do I search on that site?
I wish somebody would come up with a course.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:05 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> There was a great Applevis podcast about dictation.  It was a while back, but 
> i'm sure you can find it on the Applevis site.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Terri Stimmel" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:20 PM
> Subject: Editing something I have dictated
> 
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> I wasn't exactly sure what type of subject to put for this question. 
>> I am hoping someone can offer me some help, though.
>> 
>> 
>> I was making a posting on Facebook earlier. I was dictating the post, 
>> instead of typing it out. All went well with the dictation.
>> 
>> However, part of the text ended up at the bottom of what I was 
>> writing, instead of toward the beginning, like I needed it to be.
>> 
>> 
>> I was able to save my status update as a draft. 1 thing I need to 
>> really work on is learning how to correct errors and such. Rather it 
>> be a mis-spelled word, or stuff getting twisted around, if I don't type it 
>> out.
>> 
>> 
>> So how can I learn to edit my text?
>> 
>> Can I cut this certain part of text, and paste it where I need it?
>> 
>> If so, how would I go about doing this?
>> 
>> 
>> The 1 time I don't type, this would happen. LOL!
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled items on Modular watch face after update to current OS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, I shouldn’t say it’s all working as it should because Apple really needs 
to fix that bug where the screen locks a second or two after you tap or press 
the crown or even sometimes while you are in the middle of doing something.

From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:44 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled 
items on Modular watch face after update to current OS

Thanks. It is. I’ve enven toggled the AutoSpeak off and then on again, but no 
joy.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:38 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled items 
on Modular watch face after update to current OS

Hi Keith;


Make sure autospeak is turned on for all the items you want to speak.



On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:35 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

Hi,

I updated my AppleWatch Series 3 yesterday to the latest OS. Since, a single 
tap on the screen only results in the time being spoken, but not any of the 
AutoSpeak Enabled items in the Modular face complications selected. They all 
worked prior to this update.

I have powered off and back on the watch, but no better results.


I think I read on this list earlier of something similar being experienced by 
another, or others, but I can’t seem to find that in the archive.

Is this a known bug, or is there a solution out there?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

Keith

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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled items on Modular watch face after update to current OS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I experienced this after resetting my watch and setting it up as a new device. 
However, for me a reboot did the trick and it’s all working as it should again.


From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:44 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled 
items on Modular watch face after update to current OS

Thanks. It is. I’ve enven toggled the AutoSpeak off and then on again, but no 
joy.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:38 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled items 
on Modular watch face after update to current OS

Hi Keith;


Make sure autospeak is turned on for all the items you want to speak.



On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:35 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
> wrote:

Hi,

I updated my AppleWatch Series 3 yesterday to the latest OS. Since, a single 
tap on the screen only results in the time being spoken, but not any of the 
AutoSpeak Enabled items in the Modular face complications selected. They all 
worked prior to this update.

I have powered off and back on the watch, but no better results.


I think I read on this list earlier of something similar being experienced by 
another, or others, but I can’t seem to find that in the archive.

Is this a known bug, or is there a solution out there?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

Keith

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RE: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I so far found that listening to Podcasts with the Echo does not work well at 
all. If as Richard you google this you find a bunch of information mostly 
saying that Alexa gets the Podcasts from Tune In and that you can use the Alexa 
app on the phone to search for Podcasts and then play them via the Echo. This 
of course is ridiculously complicated, much easier then to open my favourite 
Podcast app where I have already set up a list of my favourite Podcasts. It is 
also interesting to note that you can enable skills for other services like 
Spreaker and you are supposed to be able to say "Alexa, ask Spreaker to 
play..." followed by the Podcast name. However, when I tried this it worked 
just as poorly.
Unless Alexa can play the Podcasts I like when I tell her to and without fuss I 
will just use my iPhone and Overcast.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Favorite Tech Podcasts

Rob,
I did a google search and there is tons of info out there, but here is one from 
Amazon Help where you might find good information.
https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8=14284855011

Richard




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-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

Many thanks for this, would like to append a further question.

Could anyone recommend podcasts I can get at via Alexa please?

Tia, BobH.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:41 PM
Subject: Favorite Tech Podcasts


All,

What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused or 
otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but 
I'm also wondering about the best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The app used to cost 99 Cents, but it’s free now. I don’t see a need for it, 
though, you can listen to it just as well with any Podcast app.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

I like the Today In IOS podcast. It sometimes is listed as TII.
It is not VoiceOver specific, but he is very aware of VoiceOver and mentions it 
sometimes.
He has an app to, but you can access it from any podcast player.
His app is completely VoiceOver accessible. I think it might cost something.
But, give an episode a listen and see what you think.
Richard



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On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:41 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
All,

What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused or 
otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also wondering about the 
best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[R Van Lant]

Thanks, Richard.  I do use the Samantha voice, so that’s interesting to know 
other voices may say it correctly.  With all screen readers, I find it 
interesting how different synthesizers are “taught” to say things.  Sometimes 
my synthesizer choice for Window Eyes or Jaws butchers something my iphone 
voice says correctly and sometimes it’s the  other way around.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:27 AM
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Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

I just called Apple Accessibility and had the support person listen to my work 
phone's pronunciation of Emoji.
I demonstrated that the Karen voice said it correctly, but Tom and the Siri 
Female did not.
She tried it on her phone, and Samantha said it correctly.
But, since she heard mine, she will report it to the engineers.
I decided having someone hear it would be better than trying to explain it in 
writing.
But, sending in written reports certainly could help.
Later,
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Same here, Richard. Anyhow, let’s all report this to Apple Accessibility since 
I suspect this is not a difficult item for them to fix.


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This is truly fascinating. I just installed Samantha Enhanced and it does the 
strange new pronunciation which is about 5 or 6 syllables.
So, for me, Samantha Enhanced, Tom Enhanced, and Siri Female all do this 
strange new combination of emodican and emogi sort of.
But, being in the US if I switch to Australian Karen, it uses the old familiar 
two syllable word.
This is so strange I may take the time later to call Apple Accessibility and 
have them listen to it and see what they say.
Later,
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:23 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
Yep, definitely on the current version.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right?
This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.

Richard



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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader 
> wrote:
I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it and 
it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't recognize 
the problem either or Samantha.
Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App of 
choice.

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Kelby,
Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the Australian 
voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my default US 
english voice, or another US English voice, the strange pronunciation is used.
Very odd. indeed.
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when just 
using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was saying 
and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by letter. It is 
spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old word 
emoji together.
So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the dictionary 
under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the j so it says 
emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables at least.

I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old pronunciation 
back.
Richard





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Re: Questions regarding iPhone voices

[Kelly Pierce]

I like to have different voices for Siri and VoiceOver. I currently
use Alex for VoiceOver and tom for Siri. If I use Tom for voiceOver
and the male Australian voice for Siri, peple around me act startled
to hear an Australian dialect that is clear and confident. So I stick
to Alex and Tom so folks don't get freaked out when hearing my iPhone.

Kelly

On 4/11/18, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I also use Eva and Alex. Indeed he is the loudest voice I have found but I
> like to alternate.
> No like others said, if is all very subjective. I find she puts me in a good
> mood. Lol.
>
> Hth.
>
> Ioana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Carla Savage  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Terry,
>> I use british voices on my iPhones. I have noticed that on my iPhone 6,
>> the voices can get distorted, however, on my 8, the voices are much
>> clearer. This is due to the better speakers on the 8. I also like Alex,
>> but it draws a lot on the processor so I've switched to the siri female
>> voice for now. I have Ava on my iPod though and really like her. Although
>> she can be soft and it depends on what environment you are in and whether
>> you are just using the speaker or headphones. It's all very subjective.
>> Hope this is helpful.
>> Take care,
>> Carla.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 11 Apr 2018, at 6:29 pm, Terri Stimmel 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>> I have some questions regarding the iPhone voices. I am not trying to
>>> possibly start something here by asking these questions. I would just
>>> honestly like to know peoples thoughts on the matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alright, for quite a while I used the voice of Alex. It seemed the
>>> clearest to me, and the loudest.
>>>
>>>
>>> However, I recently switch to the enhanced voice of Tom. I like it
>>> alright. But I think I might like the voice of Alex better. Besides the
>>> fact that he breathes. That is different!
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I am currently using Ayva. I like her. But the voice almost
>>> seems too soft. I can't exactly put in to words what I mean by this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway if I turn up my phone too much, then any voice seems distorted.
>>> The 1 thing I used to like about my Android, was that the voice I used
>>> was louder, and clearer.
>>>
>>> But maybe it's this phone, or the case, or a number of reasons. I just
>>> don't know.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you all have any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Terri
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Re: Editing something I have dictated

[Anthony Vece]

How do I search on that site?
I wish somebody would come up with a course.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:05 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> There was a great Applevis podcast about dictation.  It was a while back, but 
> i'm sure you can find it on the Applevis site.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Terri Stimmel" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:20 PM
> Subject: Editing something I have dictated
> 
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> I wasn't exactly sure what type of subject to put for this question. I
>> am hoping someone can offer me some help, though.
>> 
>> 
>> I was making a posting on Facebook earlier. I was dictating the post,
>> instead of typing it out. All went well with the dictation.
>> 
>> However, part of the text ended up at the bottom of what I was writing,
>> instead of toward the beginning, like I needed it to be.
>> 
>> 
>> I was able to save my status update as a draft. 1 thing I need to really
>> work on is learning how to correct errors and such. Rather it be a
>> mis-spelled word, or stuff getting twisted around, if I don't type it out.
>> 
>> 
>> So how can I learn to edit my text?
>> 
>> Can I cut this certain part of text, and paste it where I need it?
>> 
>> If so, how would I go about doing this?
>> 
>> 
>> The 1 time I don't type, this would happen. LOL!
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
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Re: Editing something I have dictated

[Andy Baracco]

There was a great Applevis podcast about dictation.  It was a while back, 
but i'm sure you can find it on the Applevis site.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Terri Stimmel" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:20 PM
Subject: Editing something I have dictated



Hello everyone,


I wasn't exactly sure what type of subject to put for this question. I
am hoping someone can offer me some help, though.


I was making a posting on Facebook earlier. I was dictating the post,
instead of typing it out. All went well with the dictation.

However, part of the text ended up at the bottom of what I was writing,
instead of toward the beginning, like I needed it to be.


I was able to save my status update as a draft. 1 thing I need to really
work on is learning how to correct errors and such. Rather it be a
mis-spelled word, or stuff getting twisted around, if I don't type it out.


So how can I learn to edit my text?

Can I cut this certain part of text, and paste it where I need it?

If so, how would I go about doing this?


The 1 time I don't type, this would happen. LOL!


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Questions regarding iPhone voices

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi 

I also use Eva and Alex. Indeed he is the loudest voice I have found but I like 
to alternate. 
No like others said, if is all very subjective. I find she puts me in a good 
mood. Lol. 

Hth. 

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Carla Savage  wrote:
> 
> Hi Terry, 
> I use british voices on my iPhones. I have noticed that on my iPhone 6, the 
> voices can get distorted, however, on my 8, the voices are much clearer. This 
> is due to the better speakers on the 8. I also like Alex, but it draws a lot 
> on the processor so I've switched to the siri female voice for now. I have 
> Ava on my iPod though and really like her. Although she can be soft and it 
> depends on what environment you are in and whether you are just using the 
> speaker or headphones. It's all very subjective. 
> Hope this is helpful.
> Take care, 
> Carla.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2018, at 6:29 pm, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> I have some questions regarding the iPhone voices. I am not trying to 
>> possibly start something here by asking these questions. I would just 
>> honestly like to know peoples thoughts on the matter.
>> 
>> 
>> Alright, for quite a while I used the voice of Alex. It seemed the 
>> clearest to me, and the loudest.
>> 
>> 
>> However, I recently switch to the enhanced voice of Tom. I like it 
>> alright. But I think I might like the voice of Alex better. Besides the 
>> fact that he breathes. That is different!
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, I am currently using Ayva. I like her. But the voice almost 
>> seems too soft. I can't exactly put in to words what I mean by this.
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway if I turn up my phone too much, then any voice seems distorted. 
>> The 1 thing I used to like about my Android, was that the voice I used 
>> was louder, and clearer.
>> 
>> But maybe it's this phone, or the case, or a number of reasons. I just 
>> don't know.
>> 
>> 
>> Do you all have any thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> Terri
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Re: Editing something I have dictated

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hello, 

Moving blocks of text around without a Bluetooth keyboard is, I find, a bit 
tricky. 
I recommend using the rotor set to words or lines and placing VoiceOver cursor 
at beginning of first word you want to start selecting. 
Than use the rotor to get to the "select text " option. Then you can flick down 
or up to choose selecting by words, lines, pages etc.. Flicking right will then 
select by the unit you chose previously. 
Now you can use the rotor again and choose edit and flick up or down till you 
hear "cut ". Then you have to use rotor again to place VoiceOver cursor where 
you want the clipboard contents to be placed and go back to the edit rotor 
options and this time choose paste. 

Hope this  made sense and, if others have easier ways to go about it, I am 
looking forward to hearing their suggestions. 
Of course the easiest way to edit is using a keyboard but I am using a scenario 
based on your context where a keyboard was not available. 

Best regards, 

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:20 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I wasn't exactly sure what type of subject to put for this question. I 
> am hoping someone can offer me some help, though.
> 
> 
> I was making a posting on Facebook earlier. I was dictating the post, 
> instead of typing it out. All went well with the dictation.
> 
> However, part of the text ended up at the bottom of what I was writing, 
> instead of toward the beginning, like I needed it to be.
> 
> 
> I was able to save my status update as a draft. 1 thing I need to really 
> work on is learning how to correct errors and such. Rather it be a 
> mis-spelled word, or stuff getting twisted around, if I don't type it out.
> 
> 
> So how can I learn to edit my text?
> 
> Can I cut this certain part of text, and paste it where I need it?
> 
> If so, how would I go about doing this?
> 
> 
> The 1 time I don't type, this would happen. LOL!
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: looking for feedback about problems with braille displays and typing feedback

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hello, 
Thanks for your response. Hope that you and others with similar problem will 
consider reporting this to apple. 
Indeed the best way to deal with this for now is to turn off speech feedback 
completely. 
I find I got used to hearing if the word I typed was misspelled. I actually 
suggested to apple accessibility to add an option of having a sound for 
misspelled words that would be audible independent of the setting for VoiceOver 
feedback. 

Best regards, 

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
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> Hi Ioana.
> Yes, I had to turn on my speech to confirm this, but it is indeed
> happening here as well.
> 
> Regards,
> Scott
> 
>> On 4/11/18, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I wrote a while ago asking if anyone has typing feedback problems using
>> braille displays with the iPhone. Getting no answer I assume nobody has such
>> problems? Could anyone confirm that writing with braille display presents no
>> problem with VoiceOver announcing words when typed?
>> I am having an issue only when there is text after the input cursor. An
>> example of this is typing in an email message where there is already a
>> signature placed after the cursor.
>> 
>> Thanks for any feedback about this.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Ioana
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Re: the Schwan's Food Delivery app again

[Vicky Collins]

When I first double tap on the sign in button, or I think the app 
calls it a link, the username edit field is there right away for 
me just to do a double tap.  Then, I am able to start entering my 
email address as my username.  However, should I look around the 
screen a bit while I'm entering that information, I often find 
the edit box for it has disappeared.  Sometimes, I'm even put 
back to the first screen I come to after opening the app, and I 
have to double tap on the sign in link again.  This is what 
happened to me just a few minutes ago when I uninstalled and 
reinstalled the app and had to log in again for the first time.


- Original Message -
From: Liz Ulrich and LD Hope  wrote:


Has anyone in the United States tried the Schwan's Food Delivery 
app lately? It isn't perfect now by any means, but it sure is 
much better than it was earlier.  For, so far at least, I've been 
able to do pretty much everything I've tried with the app, 
including reading product preparation instructions and reviewing 
the items in my pending orders, things I couldn't do with the 
original app.


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Editing something I have dictated

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I wasn't exactly sure what type of subject to put for this question. I 
am hoping someone can offer me some help, though.


I was making a posting on Facebook earlier. I was dictating the post, 
instead of typing it out. All went well with the dictation.

However, part of the text ended up at the bottom of what I was writing, 
instead of toward the beginning, like I needed it to be.


I was able to save my status update as a draft. 1 thing I need to really 
work on is learning how to correct errors and such. Rather it be a 
mis-spelled word, or stuff getting twisted around, if I don't type it out.


So how can I learn to edit my text?

Can I cut this certain part of text, and paste it where I need it?

If so, how would I go about doing this?


The 1 time I don't type, this would happen. LOL!


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Setting Up FitBit using VoiceOver

[Christopher Chaltain]

You do need your phone to use your FitBit, at least as a blind person. 
The Charge HR does display the time, but since it doesn't talk itself, I 
can't read the time off of my Charge HR as a blind person. I use the 
FitBit app with Android now, but I don't see many unlabelled buttons, 
and I don't remember the experience on the iPhone being any different.




On 04/11/2018 10:17 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Marie, and anyone else who can give me some information.
If zip it that you are using does it have a watch that included on it 
and do you need your phone to use the watch as far as I know the only 
real excess a bowl product is the Apple Watch I know that there are 
many unlabeled or on usable buttons on the fit bit app in less I do 
not know what I’m doing which is quite possible.
If you have any information can you please let me know. You can 
contact me off list and I will give you my email if you’re interested.

I am currently using a fit bit flex two.
Thank you very much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:35 AM, marie > wrote:


I use a Fitbit Alta HR, the only sighted help I needed to set it up 
was to read the code to type.

I find the application quite easy to use on my 5s.
Hope this helps a bit, good luck!
Marie

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:50:01 PM UTC+2, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

I am considering a FitBit, and am wondering if I can set it up
using VoiceOver, or will I need sighted assistance. I get varying
answers on this, and am seeking other opinions. Are there other
similar devices that I should consider that are easier to set up
or use with VoiceOver? Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt


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Re: Fave i phoe voices

[Christopher Chaltain]

Ava Enhanced, but I do like Zoey on my PC, so I need to see if she's 
come to the iPhone.



On 04/11/2018 03:37 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

Tom regular, and Juan regular.


El 11/04/2018 a las 03:21 p.m., 'Simon' via VIPhone escribió:

samantha enhanced I use as a default voice.
-Original Message- From: wui chin Leong
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fave i phoe voices

What is every ones fave ios voice they enjoy using i really like 
using the serre voice.


Sent from my iPad





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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled items on Modular watch face after update to current OS

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

Thanks. It is. I’ve enven toggled the AutoSpeak off and then on again, but no 
joy.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 5:38 PM
To: Blind iPhone MailingList
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled items 
on Modular watch face after update to current OS

Hi Keith;


Make sure autospeak is turned on for all the items you want to speak.




On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:35 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
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Hi,

I updated my AppleWatch Series 3 yesterday to the latest OS. Since, a single 
tap on the screen only results in the time being spoken, but not any of the 
AutoSpeak Enabled items in the Modular face complications selected. They all 
worked prior to this update.

I have powered off and back on the watch, but no better results.


I think I read on this list earlier of something similar being experienced by 
another, or others, but I can’t seem to find that in the archive.

Is this a known bug, or is there a solution out there?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

Keith

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Re: AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled items on Modular watch face after update to current OS

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Keith;


Make sure autospeak is turned on for all the items you want to speak.



> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:35 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
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> Hi,
>  
> I updated my AppleWatch Series 3 yesterday to the latest OS. Since, a single 
> tap on the screen only results in the time being spoken, but not any of the 
> AutoSpeak Enabled items in the Modular face complications selected. They all 
> worked prior to this update.
>  
> I have powered off and back on the watch, but no better results.
>  
>  
> I think I read on this list earlier of something similar being experienced by 
> another, or others, but I can’t seem to find that in the archive.
>  
> Is this a known bug, or is there a solution out there?
>  
> Thanks in advance for any insights.
>  
> Keith
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AppleWatch Series 3 not reading AutoSpeak Enabled items on Modular watch face after update to current OS

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

Hi,

I updated my AppleWatch Series 3 yesterday to the latest OS. Since, a single 
tap on the screen only results in the time being spoken, but not any of the 
AutoSpeak Enabled items in the Modular face complications selected. They all 
worked prior to this update.

I have powered off and back on the watch, but no better results.


I think I read on this list earlier of something similar being experienced by 
another, or others, but I can't seem to find that in the archive.

Is this a known bug, or is there a solution out there?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

Keith

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Re: Fave i phoe voices

[Gerardo Corripio]

Tom regular, and Juan regular.


El 11/04/2018 a las 03:21 p.m., 'Simon' via VIPhone escribió:

samantha enhanced I use as a default voice.
-Original Message- From: wui chin Leong
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fave i phoe voices

What is every ones fave ios voice they enjoy using i really like using 
the serre voice.


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Re: Fave i phoe voices

[Mary Otten]

Definitely Alex.


Sent from my iPhone

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Does

[wui chin Leong]

Does any one notice with the newest ios 1103 with the serri voice of the femail 
it is not laggy. I notice it is not laggy on my i pad minni second generation

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Re: Fave i phoe voices

['Simon' via VIPhone]

samantha enhanced I use as a default voice.
-Original Message- 
From: wui chin Leong

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:18 PM
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What is every ones fave ios voice they enjoy using i really like using the 
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Fave i phoe voices

[wui chin Leong]

What is every ones fave ios voice they enjoy using i really like using the 
serre voice.

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Re: looking for feedback about problems with braille displays and typing feedback

[Scott Davert]

Hi Ioana.
Yes, I had to turn on my speech to confirm this, but it is indeed
happening here as well.

Regards,
Scott

On 4/11/18, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
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> I wrote a while ago asking if anyone has typing feedback problems using
> braille displays with the iPhone. Getting no answer I assume nobody has such
> problems? Could anyone confirm that writing with braille display presents no
> problem with VoiceOver announcing words when typed?
> I am having an issue only when there is text after the input cursor. An
> example of this is typing in an email message where there is already a
> signature placed after the cursor.
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RE: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[Richard Turner]

Rob,
I did a google search and there is tons of info out there, but here is one from 
Amazon Help where you might find good information.
https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8=14284855011

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

Many thanks for this, would like to append a further question.

Could anyone recommend podcasts I can get at via Alexa please?

Tia, BobH.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 4:41 PM
Subject: Favorite Tech Podcasts


All,

What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused or 
otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but 
I'm also wondering about the best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.

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Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[pegkane52]

Hi, I found the answer to my question I thought the message body was filled in 
sorry about that not sure what happened.
Thank you for your help.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Peggy,
> There was no text in your message.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>  
>  
> 
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>  
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Candie Stiles  wrote:
> 
> It stands for today in IOS. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:42 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>  
> What is TII?
> Thank you very much.
> Peggy
>  
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>  
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> Hi Richard and all,
>  
> The TII app used to cost, but now it's free. I agree that this is an 
> excellent podcast.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
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> I like the Today In IOS podcast. It sometimes is listed as TII.
> It is not VoiceOver specific, but he is very aware of VoiceOver and mentions 
> it sometimes.
> He has an app to, but you can access it from any podcast player.
> His app is completely VoiceOver accessible. I think it might cost something.
> But, give an episode a listen and see what you think.
> Richard
>  
> 
>  
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:41 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused 
> or otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also wondering 
> about the best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Many thanks for this, would like to append a further question.

Could anyone recommend podcasts I can get at via Alexa please?

Tia, BobH.

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Subject: Favorite Tech Podcasts


All,

What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused or 
otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but 
I'm also wondering about the best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.

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RE: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[Richard Turner]

Peggy,
There was no text in your message.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts


Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Candie Stiles 
> wrote:
It stands for today in IOS.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:42 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

What is TII?
Thank you very much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Anna Dresner 
> wrote:
Hi Richard and all,

The TII app used to cost, but now it's free. I agree that this is an excellent 
podcast.

Best,
Anna





On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

I like the Today In IOS podcast. It sometimes is listed as TII.
It is not VoiceOver specific, but he is very aware of VoiceOver and mentions it 
sometimes.
He has an app to, but you can access it from any podcast player.
His app is completely VoiceOver accessible. I think it might cost something.
But, give an episode a listen and see what you think.
Richard


“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:41 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
All,

What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused or 
otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also wondering about the 
best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.

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Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[pegkane52]

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Candie Stiles  wrote:
> 
> It stands for today in IOS. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:42 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What is TII?
>> Thank you very much.
>> Peggy
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard and all,
>>> 
>>> The TII app used to cost, but now it's free. I agree that this is an 
>>> excellent podcast.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 I like the Today In IOS podcast. It sometimes is listed as TII.
 It is not VoiceOver specific, but he is very aware of VoiceOver and 
 mentions it sometimes.
 He has an app to, but you can access it from any podcast player.
 His app is completely VoiceOver accessible. I think it might cost 
 something.
 But, give an episode a listen and see what you think.
 Richard
 
 
 
 “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
 quieter.” 
 - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
 
 On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:41 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
 
> All,
> 
> What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind 
> focused or otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also 
> wondering about the best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Questions regarding iPhone voices

[Carla Savage]

Hi Terry, 
I use british voices on my iPhones. I have noticed that on my iPhone 6, the 
voices can get distorted, however, on my 8, the voices are much clearer. This 
is due to the better speakers on the 8. I also like Alex, but it draws a lot on 
the processor so I've switched to the siri female voice for now. I have Ava on 
my iPod though and really like her. Although she can be soft and it depends on 
what environment you are in and whether you are just using the speaker or 
headphones. It's all very subjective. 
Hope this is helpful.
Take care, 
Carla.


Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Apr 2018, at 6:29 pm, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I have some questions regarding the iPhone voices. I am not trying to 
> possibly start something here by asking these questions. I would just 
> honestly like to know peoples thoughts on the matter.
> 
> 
> Alright, for quite a while I used the voice of Alex. It seemed the 
> clearest to me, and the loudest.
> 
> 
> However, I recently switch to the enhanced voice of Tom. I like it 
> alright. But I think I might like the voice of Alex better. Besides the 
> fact that he breathes. That is different!
> 
> 
> Anyway, I am currently using Ayva. I like her. But the voice almost 
> seems too soft. I can't exactly put in to words what I mean by this.
> 
> 
> Anyway if I turn up my phone too much, then any voice seems distorted. 
> The 1 thing I used to like about my Android, was that the voice I used 
> was louder, and clearer.
> 
> But maybe it's this phone, or the case, or a number of reasons. I just 
> don't know.
> 
> 
> Do you all have any thoughts?
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Donna]

I find it very strange that some have the problem while others using the same 
voice does not. There has to be a common thread somewhere. 

Donna

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I just called Apple Accessibility and had the support person listen to my 
> work phone's pronunciation of Emoji.
> I demonstrated that the Karen voice said it correctly, but Tom and the Siri 
> Female did not.
> She tried it on her phone, and Samantha said it correctly.
> But, since she heard mine, she will report it to the engineers. 
> I decided having someone hear it would be better than trying to explain it in 
> writing.
> But, sending in written reports certainly could help.
> Later,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Same here, Richard. Anyhow, let’s all report this to Apple Accessibility 
>> since I suspect this is not a difficult item for them to fix.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 6:36 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade
>>  
>>  
>> This is truly fascinating. I just installed Samantha Enhanced and it does 
>> the strange new pronunciation which is about 5 or 6 syllables. 
>> So, for me, Samantha Enhanced, Tom Enhanced, and Siri Female all do this 
>> strange new combination of emodican and emogi sort of.
>> But, being in the US if I switch to Australian Karen, it uses the old 
>> familiar two syllable word.
>> This is so strange I may take the time later to call Apple Accessibility and 
>> have them listen to it and see what they say.
>> Later,
>> Richard
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>> quieter.” 
>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:23 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, definitely on the current version.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right?
>> This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>> quieter.” 
>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it 
>> and it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't 
>> recognize the problem either or Samantha.
>> 
>> Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App 
>> of choice. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kelby,
>> Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the 
>> Australian voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my 
>> default US english voice, or another US English voice, the strange 
>> pronunciation is used.
>> Very odd. indeed.
>> Richard
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>> quieter.” 
>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when 
>> just using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was 
>> saying and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by 
>> letter. It is spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
>> It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old 
>> word emoji together.
>> So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the 
>> dictionary under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for 
>> the j so it says emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two 
>> syllables at least.
>>  
>> I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old 
>> pronunciation back.
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>> quieter.” 
>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi  wrote:
>> 
>> Same here. It is strange.
>>  
>>  
>> Godwin Adoyi Agada
>> Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 

looking for feedback about problems with braille displays and typing feedback

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hello, 
I wrote a while ago asking if anyone has typing feedback problems using braille 
displays with the iPhone. Getting no answer I assume nobody has such problems? 
Could anyone confirm that writing with braille display presents no problem with 
VoiceOver announcing words when typed? 
I am having an issue only when there is text after the input cursor. An example 
of this is typing in an email message where there is already a signature placed 
after the cursor. 

Thanks for any feedback about this. 

Best regards, 

Ioana 


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Outlook and Multi-line text field

[danielmcgee134]

Hi all
I like Outlook for iOS very much. But one thing that frustrates me is the  
repetition of VO saying: Multi-line text field.
When your trying to review an email for reply and when you try to edit it with 
the rotor. 
Have any of you seen this behavior with the microsoft outlook app for iOS. 
Do you have any theories as to why it could be happening with this stand alone 
app? 
Thanks 
Daniel 





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Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[Candie Stiles]

It stands for today in IOS. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:42 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> What is TII?
> Thank you very much.
> Peggy
> 
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard and all,
>> 
>> The TII app used to cost, but now it's free. I agree that this is an 
>> excellent podcast.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like the Today In IOS podcast. It sometimes is listed as TII.
>>> It is not VoiceOver specific, but he is very aware of VoiceOver and 
>>> mentions it sometimes.
>>> He has an app to, but you can access it from any podcast player.
>>> His app is completely VoiceOver accessible. I think it might cost something.
>>> But, give an episode a listen and see what you think.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>>> quieter.” 
>>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:41 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
 All,
 
 What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind 
 focused or otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also 
 wondering about the best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.
 
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Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[pegkane52]

What is TII?
Thank you very much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Apr 11, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard and all,
> 
> The TII app used to cost, but now it's free. I agree that this is an 
> excellent podcast.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I like the Today In IOS podcast. It sometimes is listed as TII.
>> It is not VoiceOver specific, but he is very aware of VoiceOver and mentions 
>> it sometimes.
>> He has an app to, but you can access it from any podcast player.
>> His app is completely VoiceOver accessible. I think it might cost something.
>> But, give an episode a listen and see what you think.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>> quieter.” 
>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:41 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused 
>>> or otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also wondering 
>>> about the best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.
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Questions regarding iPhone voices

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I have some questions regarding the iPhone voices. I am not trying to 
possibly start something here by asking these questions. I would just 
honestly like to know peoples thoughts on the matter.


Alright, for quite a while I used the voice of Alex. It seemed the 
clearest to me, and the loudest.


However, I recently switch to the enhanced voice of Tom. I like it 
alright. But I think I might like the voice of Alex better. Besides the 
fact that he breathes. That is different!


Anyway, I am currently using Ayva. I like her. But the voice almost 
seems too soft. I can't exactly put in to words what I mean by this.


Anyway if I turn up my phone too much, then any voice seems distorted. 
The 1 thing I used to like about my Android, was that the voice I used 
was louder, and clearer.

But maybe it's this phone, or the case, or a number of reasons. I just 
don't know.


Do you all have any thoughts?


Terri

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Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Richard and all,

The TII app used to cost, but now it's free. I agree that this is an excellent 
podcast.

Best,
Anna




> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I like the Today In IOS podcast. It sometimes is listed as TII.
> It is not VoiceOver specific, but he is very aware of VoiceOver and mentions 
> it sometimes.
> He has an app to, but you can access it from any podcast player.
> His app is completely VoiceOver accessible. I think it might cost something.
> But, give an episode a listen and see what you think.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:41 AM, kelby carlson  > wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused 
>> or otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also wondering 
>> about the best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: the Schwan's Food Delivery app again

[Liz Ulrich and LD Hope]

I have tried the latest update, and I can't log in. When I double tap on the 
user name and password fields, the keyboard does not come up. 


Sent from my iPhone 
Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope 
HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Vicky Collins  wrote:
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> Has anyone in the United States tried the Schwan's Food Delivery app lately? 
> It isn't perfect now by any means, but it sure is much better than it was 
> earlier.  For, so far at least, I've been able to do pretty much everything 
> I've tried with the app, including reading product preparation instructions 
> and reviewing the items in my pending orders, things I couldn't do with the 
> original app.
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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Richard Turner]

I just called Apple Accessibility and had the support person listen to my work 
phone's pronunciation of Emoji.
I demonstrated that the Karen voice said it correctly, but Tom and the Siri 
Female did not.
She tried it on her phone, and Samantha said it correctly.
But, since she heard mine, she will report it to the engineers.
I decided having someone hear it would be better than trying to explain it in 
writing.
But, sending in written reports certainly could help.
Later,
Richard




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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Same here, Richard. Anyhow, let’s all report this to Apple Accessibility since 
I suspect this is not a difficult item for them to fix.


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Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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This is truly fascinating. I just installed Samantha Enhanced and it does the 
strange new pronunciation which is about 5 or 6 syllables.
So, for me, Samantha Enhanced, Tom Enhanced, and Siri Female all do this 
strange new combination of emodican and emogi sort of.
But, being in the US if I switch to Australian Karen, it uses the old familiar 
two syllable word.
This is so strange I may take the time later to call Apple Accessibility and 
have them listen to it and see what they say.
Later,
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:23 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
Yep, definitely on the current version.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right?
This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.

Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader 
> wrote:
I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it and 
it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't recognize 
the problem either or Samantha.
Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App of 
choice.

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Kelby,
Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the Australian 
voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my default US 
english voice, or another US English voice, the strange pronunciation is used.
Very odd. indeed.
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when just 
using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was saying 
and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by letter. It is 
spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old word 
emoji together.
So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the dictionary 
under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the j so it says 
emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables at least.

I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old pronunciation 
back.
Richard





“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi 
> wrote:
Same here. It is strange.


Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Anthony Vece >
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon 

Re: Favorite Tech Podcasts

[Richard Turner]

I like the Today In IOS podcast. It sometimes is listed as TII.
It is not VoiceOver specific, but he is very aware of VoiceOver and mentions it 
sometimes.
He has an app to, but you can access it from any podcast player.
His app is completely VoiceOver accessible. I think it might cost something.
But, give an episode a listen and see what you think.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:41 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:

All,

What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused or 
otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also wondering about the 
best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.

Sent from my iPhone

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Favorite Tech Podcasts

[kelby carlson]

All,

What are your favorite podcasts that are technology-oriented, blind focused or 
otherwise? Obviously the Daily Fible is great, but I'm also wondering about the 
best podcasts since DF has to be listened to live.

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Re: Setting Up FitBit using VoiceOver

[pegkane52]

Hi Marie, and anyone else who can give me some information.
If zip it that you are using does it have a watch that included on it and do 
you need your phone to use the watch as far as I know the only real excess a 
bowl product is the Apple Watch I know that there are many unlabeled or on 
usable buttons on the fit bit app in less I do not know what I’m doing which is 
quite possible.
If you have any information can you please let me know. You can contact me off 
list and I will give you my email if you’re interested.
I am currently using a fit bit flex two.
Thank you very much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:35 AM, marie  wrote:
> 
> I use a Fitbit Alta HR, the only sighted help I needed to set it up was to 
> read the code to type.
> I find the application quite easy to use on my 5s.
> Hope this helps a bit, good luck!
> Marie
> 
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>> VoiceOver, or will I need sighted assistance. I get varying answers on this, 
>> and am seeking other opinions. Are there other similar devices that I should 
>> consider that are easier to set up or use with VoiceOver? Thanks for any 
>> opinions. 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
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RE: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Same here, Richard. Anyhow, let’s all report this to Apple Accessibility since 
I suspect this is not a difficult item for them to fix.


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Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade


This is truly fascinating. I just installed Samantha Enhanced and it does the 
strange new pronunciation which is about 5 or 6 syllables.
So, for me, Samantha Enhanced, Tom Enhanced, and Siri Female all do this 
strange new combination of emodican and emogi sort of.
But, being in the US if I switch to Australian Karen, it uses the old familiar 
two syllable word.
This is so strange I may take the time later to call Apple Accessibility and 
have them listen to it and see what they say.
Later,
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:23 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
Yep, definitely on the current version.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right?
This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.

Richard



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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader 
> wrote:
I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it and 
it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't recognize 
the problem either or Samantha.
Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App of 
choice.

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Kelby,
Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the Australian 
voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my default US 
english voice, or another US English voice, the strange pronunciation is used.
Very odd. indeed.
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:
That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when just 
using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was saying 
and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by letter. It is 
spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old word 
emoji together.
So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the dictionary 
under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the j so it says 
emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables at least.

I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old pronunciation 
back.
Richard





“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi 
> wrote:
Same here. It is strange.


Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Anthony Vece >
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

I noticed the same exact thing
Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant 
> wrote:
My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that label for 
the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen this?  I wonder 
what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to clearly say “emogi 
keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can tell it’s saying 
something about emoticons, the way it says it is really strange.
Robin
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It doesn't matter and won't hurt anything.

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Does it hurt anything to remove and insert a sim card with the iPhone turned 
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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Donna]

y using the enhance Samantha & she says something other than emoji keyboard. 

Donna 
> 
> Richard,
> 
> I'm using the enhanced version of iOS Samantha. I use it for pretty much 
> everything on my phone. (Sidenote: I like Alex, but am not sure why there is 
> so much enthusiasm there.) I just checked the keyboard again and it 
> pronounces the word emoji normally.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kelby,
>> Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the 
>> Australian voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my 
>> default US english voice, or another US English voice, the strange 
>> pronunciation is used.
>> Very odd. indeed.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>> quieter.” 
>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when 
 just using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was 
 saying and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by 
 letter. It is spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
 It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old 
 word emoji together.
 So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the 
 dictionary under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for 
 the j so it says emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two 
 syllables at least.
 
 I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old 
 pronunciation back.
 Richard
 
  
 
 
 “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
 quieter.” 
 - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
 
 On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi  wrote:
 
> Same here. It is strange.
> 
> 
> Godwin Adoyi Agada
> Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
> (Sent from my iPhone)
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> Anthony Vece 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade
>  
> I noticed the same exact thing
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!
> 
> On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
> 
>> My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that 
>> label for the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen 
>> this?  I wonder what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to 
>> clearly say “emogi keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can 
>> tell it’s saying something about emoticons, the way it says it is really 
>> strange. 
>> Robin
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Re: Discouraging how updates seem like downgrades

[Bill Gallik]

Hi Katya,

I realize that what I’m about to write here is not going to mitigate the 
“update” frustrations, but I don’t think that Apple engineers are doing any of 
this intentionally.

Rather, what I believe we (the VoiceOver user community) are experiencing is 
one of the serious flaws of Object Oriented Programming languages (i.e., C++ 
and others).  That is, the propensity to introduce unintended consequences.  So 
much of code in OOP is “hidden” from the programmers in favor of a more 
automated to coding that situations can arise that were not ever considered 
possible.

I’m confident that Apple engineers will get this resolved, but it does appear 
that VoiceOver integration testing is somewhat lacking - no doubt!


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Re: Setting Up FitBit using VoiceOver

[marie]

I use a Fitbit Alta HR, the only sighted help I needed to set it up was to 
read the code to type.
I find the application quite easy to use on my 5s.
Hope this helps a bit, good luck!
Marie

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:50:01 PM UTC+2, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

> I am considering a FitBit, and am wondering if I can set it up using 
> VoiceOver, or will I need sighted assistance. I get varying answers on 
> this, and am seeking other opinions. Are there other similar devices that I 
> should consider that are easier to set up or use with VoiceOver? Thanks for 
> any opinions. 
>
> Arnold Schmidt 
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Bill Gallik]

 Thank God for this thread; now I can stop searching for what it was I did to 
initiate this strange pronunciation of “Emoji."


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Re: Discouraging how updates seem like downgrades

['Simon' via VIPhone]

Why?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 10:17 AM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
> 
> with a slight hearing loss, I love the new volume sounds!
> 
>> On 4/11/18, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> Not all change is good, sure. But not all change is bad, either. The volume
>> sound now used has been used on the Mac for a long while. Bugs are there,
>> yes, but they’re there for sighted users as well. It is not just us, so
>> don’t feel persecuted against.
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:10 AM, kelby carlson 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe there comes a point at which a company's updates of its products
>>> hit the law of diminishing returns, and either don't improve anything or
>>> actively make the product worse. I think Apple has hit that point.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Kathy Brandt >> > wrote:
>>> 
 This thing with how the emoji keyboard is now sounding in keyboards is
 just something else to deal with, besides how they changed the sound of
 the up-and-down volume buttons, and earlier, the way FaceTime sounds when
 you make a call, and hell now, on the iPod touch with FaceTime, you have
 to be using earphones for some reason in order to have any control of the
 buttons, which never used to be the case. I wrote to Apple asking why
 they have to do stuff like this, as a post to fixing what we point out,
 like how before, the clipboard would clear out, as opposed to now, if you
 want to copy and paste more than one thing, you have to hit copy twice in
 order to get the right thing put onto the clipboard, to paste, and why
 you now have to go through a process in order to delete individual items
 from history in safari, all of which never used to be this way. It is
 discouraging to have an older iPod on ios9.5, since it can’t be updated,
 but which works the way it’s supposed to with these things.
 
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Re: Discouraging how updates seem like downgrades

[Yolanda Thompson]

with a slight hearing loss, I love the new volume sounds!

On 4/11/18, Devin Prater  wrote:
> Not all change is good, sure. But not all change is bad, either. The volume
> sound now used has been used on the Mac for a long while. Bugs are there,
> yes, but they’re there for sighted users as well. It is not just us, so
> don’t feel persecuted against.
>
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:10 AM, kelby carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I believe there comes a point at which a company's updates of its products
>> hit the law of diminishing returns, and either don't improve anything or
>> actively make the product worse. I think Apple has hit that point.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Kathy Brandt > > wrote:
>>
>>> This thing with how the emoji keyboard is now sounding in keyboards is
>>> just something else to deal with, besides how they changed the sound of
>>> the up-and-down volume buttons, and earlier, the way FaceTime sounds when
>>> you make a call, and hell now, on the iPod touch with FaceTime, you have
>>> to be using earphones for some reason in order to have any control of the
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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I have noticed the issue when I use Tom as my voice. I do not notice it when I 
use other voices like Alex.

Greg Wocher

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right?
> This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it 
>> and it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't 
>> recognize the problem either or Samantha.
>> 
>> Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App 
>> of choice. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Kelby,
>>> Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the 
>>> Australian voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my 
>>> default US english voice, or another US English voice, the strange 
>>> pronunciation is used.
>>> Very odd. indeed.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>>> quieter.” 
>>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner > wrote:
 
> Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when 
> just using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it 
> was saying and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter 
> by letter. It is spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
> It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the 
> old word emoji together.
> So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the 
> dictionary under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for 
> the j so it says emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two 
> syllables at least.
> 
> I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old 
> pronunciation back.
> Richard
> 
>  
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
> quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi  > wrote:
> 
>> Same here. It is strange.
>> 
>> 
>> Godwin Adoyi Agada
>> Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > > on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> >
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade
>>  
>> I noticed the same exact thing
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant > > wrote:
>> 
>>> My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that 
>>> label for the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else 
>>> seen this?  I wonder what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used 
>>> to clearly say “emogi keyboard” or something like that and now, while I 
>>> can tell it’s saying something about emoticons, the way it says it is 
>>> really strange. 
>>> Robin
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Re: the Schwan's Food Delivery app again

[Lelia Struve]

Yes, the schwans app has become a lot more accessible with the latest update. I 
too can read the preparation instructions as well as search for what I want as 
well as put an order in.

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:38 AM, Vicky Collins  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone in the United States tried the Schwan's Food Delivery app lately? 
> It isn't perfect now by any means, but it sure is much better than it was 
> earlier.  For, so far at least, I've been able to do pretty much everything 
> I've tried with the app, including reading product preparation instructions 
> and reviewing the items in my pending orders, things I couldn't do with the 
> original app.
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the Schwan's Food Delivery app again

[Vicky Collins]

Has anyone in the United States tried the Schwan's Food Delivery 
app lately? It isn't perfect now by any means, but it sure is 
much better than it was earlier.  For, so far at least, I've been 
able to do pretty much everything I've tried with the app, 
including reading product preparation instructions and reviewing 
the items in my pending orders, things I couldn't do with the 
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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Richard Turner]

This is truly fascinating. I just installed Samantha Enhanced and it does the 
strange new pronunciation which is about 5 or 6 syllables.
So, for me, Samantha Enhanced, Tom Enhanced, and Siri Female all do this 
strange new combination of emodican and emogi sort of.
But, being in the US if I switch to Australian Karen, it uses the old familiar 
two syllable word.
This is so strange I may take the time later to call Apple Accessibility and 
have them listen to it and see what they say.
Later,
Richard




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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:23 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:

Yep, definitely on the current version.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:


Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right?
This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader 
> wrote:

I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it and 
it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't recognize 
the problem either or Samantha.

Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App of 
choice.


On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Kelby,
Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the Australian 
voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my default US 
english voice, or another US English voice, the strange pronunciation is used.
Very odd. indeed.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:

That's odd. I'm not noticing this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when just 
using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was saying 
and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by letter. It is 
spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old word 
emoji together.
So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the dictionary 
under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the j so it says 
emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables at least.

I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old pronunciation 
back.
Richard





“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi 
> wrote:

Same here. It is strange.


Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Anthony Vece >
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

I noticed the same exact thing

Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant 
> wrote:

My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that label for 
the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen this?  I wonder 
what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to clearly say “emogi 
keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can tell it’s saying 
something about emoticons, the way it says it is really strange.
Robin

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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[kelby carlson]

Yep, definitely on the current version.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right?
> This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader  wrote:
> 
>> I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it 
>> and it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't 
>> recognize the problem either or Samantha.
>> 
>> Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App 
>> of choice. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Kelby,
>>> Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the 
>>> Australian voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my 
>>> default US english voice, or another US English voice, the strange 
>>> pronunciation is used.
>>> Very odd. indeed.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>>> quieter.” 
>>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
 That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
> Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when 
> just using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it 
> was saying and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter 
> by letter. It is spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
> It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the 
> old word emoji together.
> So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the 
> dictionary under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for 
> the j so it says emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two 
> syllables at least.
> 
> I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old 
> pronunciation back.
> Richard
> 
>  
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
> quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi  wrote:
> 
>> Same here. It is strange.
>> 
>> 
>> Godwin Adoyi Agada
>> Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
>> Anthony Vece 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade
>>  
>> I noticed the same exact thing
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
>> 
>>> My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that 
>>> label for the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else 
>>> seen this?  I wonder what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used 
>>> to clearly say “emogi keyboard” or something like that and now, while I 
>>> can tell it’s saying something about emoticons, the way it says it is 
>>> really strange. 
>>> Robin
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removing AND INSERTING sim card

[Vicky Collins]

Does it hurt anything to remove and insert a sim card with the 
iPhone turned on? I have forgotten to turn off the unit a few 
times when moving my sim between phones and things seemed to be 
okay afterward, but I thought I would ask, just in case.


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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Richard Turner]

Those who are not seeing the problem, you are using iOS 11.3, right?
This is beyond strange if you are on 11.3.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:44 AM, Jerry Mader 
> wrote:

I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it and 
it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't recognize 
the problem either or Samantha.

Jerry Mader. Follow my podcast by searching for the Mader cast on your App of 
choice.


On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Kelby,
Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the Australian 
voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my default US 
english voice, or another US English voice, the strange pronunciation is used.
Very odd. indeed.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:

That's odd. I'm not noticing this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when just 
using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was saying 
and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by letter. It is 
spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old word 
emoji together.
So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the dictionary 
under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the j so it says 
emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables at least.

I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old pronunciation 
back.
Richard





“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi 
> wrote:

Same here. It is strange.


Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Anthony Vece >
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

I noticed the same exact thing

Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant 
> wrote:

My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that label for 
the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen this?  I wonder 
what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to clearly say “emogi 
keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can tell it’s saying 
something about emoticons, the way it says it is really strange.
Robin

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Re: Discouraging how updates seem like downgrades

[Devin Prater]

Not all change is good, sure. But not all change is bad, either. The volume 
sound now used has been used on the Mac for a long while. Bugs are there, yes, 
but they’re there for sighted users as well. It is not just us, so don’t feel 
persecuted against.

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 6:10 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> I believe there comes a point at which a company's updates of its products 
> hit the law of diminishing returns, and either don't improve anything or 
> actively make the product worse. I think Apple has hit that point.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Kathy Brandt  > wrote:
> 
>> This thing with how the emoji keyboard is now sounding in keyboards is just 
>> something else to deal with, besides how they changed the sound of the 
>> up-and-down volume buttons, and earlier, the way FaceTime sounds when you 
>> make a call, and hell now, on the iPod touch with FaceTime, you have to be 
>> using earphones for some reason in order to have any control of the buttons, 
>> which never used to be the case. I wrote to Apple asking why they have to do 
>> stuff like this, as a post to fixing what we point out, like how before, the 
>> clipboard would clear out, as opposed to now, if you want to copy and paste 
>> more than one thing, you have to hit copy twice in order to get the right 
>> thing put onto the clipboard, to paste, and why you now have to go through a 
>> process in order to delete individual items from history in safari, all of 
>> which never used to be this way. It is discouraging to have an older iPod on 
>> ios9.5, since it can’t be updated, but which works the way it’s supposed to 
>> with these things.
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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Jerry Mader]

I'm using the US English voice and I'm not recognizing it. I just tested it and 
it worked just fine. I'm using Alex. I also use Allison and I don't recognize 
the problem either or Samantha.

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> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Kelby,
> Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the 
> Australian voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my 
> default US english voice, or another US English voice, the strange 
> pronunciation is used.
> Very odd. indeed.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
>> That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when 
>>> just using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was 
>>> saying and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by 
>>> letter. It is spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
>>> It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old 
>>> word emoji together.
>>> So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the 
>>> dictionary under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for 
>>> the j so it says emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two 
>>> syllables at least.
>>> 
>>> I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old 
>>> pronunciation back.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>>> quieter.” 
>>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi  wrote:
>>> 
 Same here. It is strange.
 
 
 Godwin Adoyi Agada
 Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
 (Sent from my iPhone)
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade
  
 I noticed the same exact thing
 
 Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!
 
 On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
 
> My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that 
> label for the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen 
> this?  I wonder what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to 
> clearly say “emogi keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can 
> tell it’s saying something about emoticons, the way it says it is really 
> strange. 
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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[kelby carlson]

Richard,

I'm using the enhanced version of iOS Samantha. I use it for pretty much 
everything on my phone. (Sidenote: I like Alex, but am not sure why there is so 
much enthusiasm there.) I just checked the keyboard again and it pronounces the 
word emoji normally.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Kelby,
> Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the 
> Australian voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my 
> default US english voice, or another US English voice, the strange 
> pronunciation is used.
> Very odd. indeed.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
>> That's odd. I'm not noticing this.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when 
>>> just using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was 
>>> saying and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by 
>>> letter. It is spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
>>> It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old 
>>> word emoji together.
>>> So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the 
>>> dictionary under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for 
>>> the j so it says emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two 
>>> syllables at least.
>>> 
>>> I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old 
>>> pronunciation back.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
>>> quieter.” 
>>> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
>>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi  wrote:
>>> 
 Same here. It is strange.
 
 
 Godwin Adoyi Agada
 Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
 (Sent from my iPhone)
  
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade
  
 I noticed the same exact thing
 
 Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!
 
 On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
 
> My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that 
> label for the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen 
> this?  I wonder what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to 
> clearly say “emogi keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can 
> tell it’s saying something about emoticons, the way it says it is really 
> strange. 
> Robin
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Re: Logitech keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Actually, on the k480 from the spacebar going left you have:
Command, Options, Function, Control.

Richard




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On Apr 11, 2018, at 4:38 AM, Ann Byrne 
> wrote:

AI believe the VO keys are one left of the space bar--command, then option, 
then ctrl, then function.  Pressing VO+K, VoiceOver will speak the functions of 
most of the keys.  The top row, however, is a bit of a mystery.  There is a 
home key far to the right, and one maybe second from the left.  There is a key 
to show/hide the keyboard on the phone, maybe fourth from the left.  I have 
this keyboard and like it a lot, but don't know the functions of all the keys.
06:17 AM 4/11/2018, you wrote:
Good morning all;
a friend of mine got herself a Logitech k480 keyboard, I no there's been 
discussion on this keyboard,
does anyone have the layout of the keyboard?
preferably the top row,
and the buttons to the right and left of spacebar.
also any other useful information. In advance, thanks for the information.


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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Richard Turner]

Kelby,
Are you using a US English voice? I suspect not. If I change to the Australian 
voice, the old pronunciation is back. But, if I use either my default US 
english voice, or another US English voice, the strange pronunciation is used.
Very odd. indeed.
Richard




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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 5:24 AM, kelby carlson 
> wrote:

That's odd. I'm not noticing this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when just 
using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was saying 
and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by letter. It is 
spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old word 
emoji together.
So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the dictionary 
under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the j so it says 
emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables at least.

I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old pronunciation 
back.
Richard





“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi 
> wrote:

Same here. It is strange.


Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Anthony Vece >
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

I noticed the same exact thing

Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant 
> wrote:

My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that label for 
the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen this?  I wonder 
what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to clearly say “emogi 
keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can tell it’s saying 
something about emoticons, the way it says it is really strange.
Robin

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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[kelby carlson]

That's odd. I'm not noticing this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when 
> just using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was 
> saying and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by 
> letter. It is spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
> It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old 
> word emoji together.
> So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the 
> dictionary under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the 
> j so it says emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables 
> at least.
> 
> I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old 
> pronunciation back.
> Richard
> 
>  
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi  wrote:
> 
>> Same here. It is strange.
>> 
>> 
>> Godwin Adoyi Agada
>> Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
>> Anthony Vece 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade
>>  
>> I noticed the same exact thing
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
>> 
>>> My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that label 
>>> for the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen this?  I 
>>> wonder what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to clearly say 
>>> “emogi keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can tell it’s 
>>> saying something about emoticons, the way it says it is really strange. 
>>> Robin
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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Richard Turner]

Apparently, Apple employees never check what these things sound like when just 
using VoiceOver. I did the 3 finger quadruple tap to copy what it was saying 
and pasted it into a note to then try spelling it out letter by letter. It is 
spelled the same as before: e m o j i.
It seems to be saying something like a combination of emodican and the old word 
emoji together.
So, if you want to change its pronunciation, you could add it to the dictionary 
under VoiceOver, Speech, pronunciations. I substituted a g for the j so it says 
emogi, which is still slightly different, but only two syllables at least.

I'd also write Apple Accessibility and tell them you want the old pronunciation 
back.
Richard





“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 11, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Godwin Adoyi 
> wrote:

Same here. It is strange.


Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> on behalf of 
Anthony Vece >
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:36:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

I noticed the same exact thing

Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant 
> wrote:

My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that label for 
the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen this?  I wonder 
what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to clearly say “emogi 
keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can tell it’s saying 
something about emoticons, the way it says it is really strange.
Robin

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Re: Logitech keyboard

[Ann Byrne]

AI believe the VO keys are one left of the space bar--command, then 
option, then ctrl, then function.  Pressing VO+K, VoiceOver will 
speak the functions of most of the keys.  The top row, however, is a 
bit of a mystery.  There is a home key far to the right, and one 
maybe second from the left.  There is a key to show/hide the keyboard 
on the phone, maybe fourth from the left.  I have this keyboard and 
like it a lot, but don't know the functions of all the keys.

 06:17 AM 4/11/2018, you wrote:

Good morning all;
a friend of mine got herself a Logitech k480 keyboard, I no there's 
been discussion on this keyboard,

does anyone have the layout of the keyboard?
preferably the top row,
and the buttons to the right and left of spacebar.
also any other useful information. In advance, thanks for the information.


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Logitech keyboard

[David Whitehead]

Good morning all;

a friend of mine got herself a Logitech k480 keyboard, I no there's been
discussion on this keyboard,

does anyone have the layout of the keyboard?

preferably the top row,

and the buttons to the right and left of spacebar.

also any other useful information. In advance, thanks for the information.

 

 

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Re: Discouraging how updates seem like downgrades

[kelby carlson]

I believe there comes a point at which a company's updates of its products hit 
the law of diminishing returns, and either don't improve anything or actively 
make the product worse. I think Apple has hit that point.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> This thing with how the emoji keyboard is now sounding in keyboards is just 
> something else to deal with, besides how they changed the sound of the 
> up-and-down volume buttons, and earlier, the way FaceTime sounds when you 
> make a call, and hell now, on the iPod touch with FaceTime, you have to be 
> using earphones for some reason in order to have any control of the buttons, 
> which never used to be the case. I wrote to Apple asking why they have to do 
> stuff like this, as a post to fixing what we point out, like how before, the 
> clipboard would clear out, as opposed to now, if you want to copy and paste 
> more than one thing, you have to hit copy twice in order to get the right 
> thing put onto the clipboard, to paste, and why you now have to go through a 
> process in order to delete individual items from history in safari, all of 
> which never used to be this way. It is discouraging to have an older iPod on 
> ios9.5, since it can’t be updated, but which works the way it’s supposed to 
> with these things.
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Discouraging how updates seem like downgrades

[Kathy Brandt]

This thing with how the emoji keyboard is now sounding in keyboards is just 
something else to deal with, besides how they changed the sound of the 
up-and-down volume buttons, and earlier, the way FaceTime sounds when you make 
a call, and hell now, on the iPod touch with FaceTime, you have to be using 
earphones for some reason in order to have any control of the buttons, which 
never used to be the case. I wrote to Apple asking why they have to do stuff 
like this, as a post to fixing what we point out, like how before, the 
clipboard would clear out, as opposed to now, if you want to copy and paste 
more than one thing, you have to hit copy twice in order to get the right thing 
put onto the clipboard, to paste, and why you now have to go through a process 
in order to delete individual items from history in safari, all of which never 
used to be this way. It is discouraging to have an older iPod on ios9.5, since 
it can’t be updated, but which works the way it’s supposed to with these things.

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Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

[Godwin Adoyi]

Same here. It is strange.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Anthony 
Vece 
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Subject: Re: emoticon button label since version 11.3 upgrade

I noticed the same exact thing

Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:30 PM, R Van Lant 
> wrote:

My phone upgraded to IOS 11.3 over the weekend.  I noticed today that label for 
the emoticon keyboard is now really strange.  Anyone else seen this?  I wonder 
what changed.  I can’t recall, but I think it used to clearly say “emogi 
keyboard” or something like that and now, while I can tell it’s saying 
something about emoticons, the way it says it is really strange.
Robin

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