Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I don't use the roater all that much.  I don't find it that difficult
to use.  Its a little tricky moving the roater backwards then
forwards, but other then that its pretty easy.  One trick I do, is I
put my fingers on my phone and don't move them, but I turn my phone
around, and not my fingers.  That seems to work pretty well for me.  I
also have my speed set to 55%.  I use the Nicki voice for voiceover.

On 10/16/19, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> Glad it worked for you. I figured you would understand it. Not really that
> difficult once you get it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Perfect, Shirley. That did it, and then I put it back on Characters.
>> Thank you. It's now on 55.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>
>> If you want to adjust your speaking rate, then turn your rotor to such and
>> make the necessary adjustment and when you are through, then turn your
>> rotor to something else like words. I keep mine set most of the time on
>> words unless I need to do something else.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, then turn back so that speed won't come up whenever I flick up or
>>> down, is that right?>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:32 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>>
>>> Carolyn, if you want to adjust your speed, turn two fingers on your
>>> screen until you hear your phone say speed and then you just flick up
>>> to either make it faster or slower or down. If you're not sure
>>> something is in your rotor, just go to settings and then to rotor and
>>> when you see something you want on the rotor, just double tap that.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Carolyn Arnold
 <4carol...@windstream.net>
 wrote:

 I guess the Rotor is my next challenge. I just don't quite get how
 to use it. I tried to adjust my speech rate to 56 percent, as 50 is a
 little slow, but 60 fast for me taste. It's still 50. Then, too, I
 don't want it coming up half the time when I'm in the middle of
 something changing speech rate up or down, whenever I flick.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

 I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate
 it maybe have not yet understood its use and learned how to take
 advantage of it.

 What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is
 vertical navigation which is very different.



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
 Of Feliciano Godoy
 Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.



 Robert,

 The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one
 implemented on iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right
 hand side edge of the screen.

 Feliciano

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  On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright
 
 wrote:

  

  I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of
 the rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta
 that its been moved and made a main part of the screen?



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  From: Anna Dresner 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
  To: VIPhone Mailing List 
  Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.



  Hi Carolyn,



  YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through
 the page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also
 tells you where you are on the page.



  Best,

  Anna









> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold
 <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

>

> Why in the world did 

Re: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I never really mess with the tone feature of the bard mobile app.  I
pretty much leave the tone at normal.

On 10/16/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Now that you have confirmed the VoiceOver accessability of the playback
> feature, I will definitely buy a title as I am truly amazed at the low, low
> prices of titles.
>
> One thing I love about the BARD app, is its built-in equalizer.  Being able
> to adjust the tone of the narration truly enhances the listening experience.
>
>
> I have all but begged the developers of both Apple and Audible to add such a
> playback feature to their respective audio book appps but, no soap, as the
> saying goes.  I don't suppose Chirp offers such a feature, either, eh?  As
> far as I can tell, neither Libby, Cloud Library, or Over Drive offer such a
> feature.  Something so simple and yet ...
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of R Van Lant
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers
>
> I have Chirp installed and the app is accessible.  I haven't listened to
> more than a minute of a book, but find the app really simple so far.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich
> Verrier
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 3:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers
>
> Hello Mark. I know the e mail that you are talking about chirp and also the
> books that they offer. I should point out that this seems to be only for
> people who live in the US and so if people live out side of the US like in
> Canada I am ot shure if you are able to pay for the books or not. I have not
> used the app but do get the news letter. I also feel that wile the books and
> stuff are good discounts it would be nice if they were offerd in Canadion as
> well since wile they might be a good discount in USD not so in CAD. From
> Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: October 13, 2019 3:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> There is an audio book discount service called Chirp Books.com.
>
> I receive a daily email containing recommended audio books that I have found
> to be excellent.  Now, generally speaking, I learn about books from this
> service, then either download them from Apple Books, Audible, BARD or Over
> Drive.
>
> There website is fully screen reader accessible and they do have an app for
> iOS in which one can purchase the titles, at the discounted price.
>
> Question, has anyone ever actually used the Chirp Books app, with VoiceOver
> to download and listen to purchased titles?
>
> Mark
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RE: oddity with BARD app

[M. Taylor]

Hello R,

A buddy of mine, who is not a list member, reported this behavior to me before 
I updated to iOS13; however, I have not yet encountered it.

Just so you know, I am using the Samantha Enhanced, TTS.  Perhaps that could be 
making a difference?  I don't know.

I'll tell you one more thing to watch out for with regard to audio book 
playback in Apple Books, BARD, and Over Drive, in iOS 13.x.  When resuming 
playback, you may not be at the exact same location in the book that you were 
when you stopped playback.  So far, I have not noticed this behavior in Audible 
for iOS.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of R 
Van Lant
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: oddity with BARD app

Hi,
I just updated my 6S phone to IOS 13 then updated all the apps.  I have now 
noticed that in the BARD app, VoiceOver says “space” after any button I press.  
This is even true if I am playing and pausing from the button on my Bluetooth 
earphones.  I don’t recall this from before.  Anyone else noticing this?  
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Re: oddity with BARD app

[Richard Turner]

It could be that the BARD app will need an update.




Richard
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On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:


Hi,

As a work-around for this, you can set up an activity that sets punctuation to 
None when you run BARD Mobile. Then the spaces won't be spoken.

Best,
Anna




On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:45 PM, R Van Lant 
mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>> wrote:

Hi,
I just updated my 6S phone to IOS 13 then updated all the apps.  I have now 
noticed that in the BARD app, VoiceOver says “space” after any button I press.  
This is even true if I am playing and pausing from the button on my Bluetooth 
earphones.  I don’t recall this from before.  Anyone else noticing this?

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RE: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

[M. Taylor]

Hello Marie and thank you, most kindly.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 3:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

This is happening with IOS 12.4 also so it is a Uber problem with Voiceover.
Workaround: double tap on the driver and you will be able to read the ETA on 
that screen Marie


-Original Message- 
From: M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

Hello All,

The other day I scheduled an on-demand ride with Uber using iOS 13.x on my 8
Plus.

Try as I may, I could not get VoiceOver to read the estimated time of
pick-up, even though it was clearly being updated on the screen.  For
example, the display was saying 5 minutes away, 3 minutes, away, etc.

Question:  Am I missing something?  Can VoiceOver not read this area of the
display?  If not, it is quite a shame.

Perhaps there is an Apple Watch complication that will update as the car
gets closer to the pickup location?

Question 2:
Has anyone been able to schedule a ride, in advance, say 2 hours in the
future, using the Uber app for iOS?

I have read, on the Uber website that this is a feature of the app but, try
as I may, I cannot get the feature to display, either with or without
VoiceOver being enabled.The only way, so far, that I can even see the
feature is to logon to the Uber website, itself; and I have no intention of
using the website to schedule rides, if I can avoid it.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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voiceover crashed after finished phone calls

['Ming' via VIPhone]

hi! after updated to 13.1.3
voice over still crashing when finished a call from whatsapp, facebook 
messenger... esectra!
anyone have   experienced this issue?



Ming
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RE: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

Now that you have confirmed the VoiceOver accessability of the playback 
feature, I will definitely buy a title as I am truly amazed at the low, low 
prices of titles.

One thing I love about the BARD app, is its built-in equalizer.  Being able to 
adjust the tone of the narration truly enhances the listening experience.  

I have all but begged the developers of both Apple and Audible to add such a 
playback feature to their respective audio book appps but, no soap, as the 
saying goes.  I don't suppose Chirp offers such a feature, either, eh?  As far 
as I can tell, neither Libby, Cloud Library, or Over Drive offer such a 
feature.  Something so simple and yet ...

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of R 
Van Lant
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers

I have Chirp installed and the app is accessible.  I haven't listened to more 
than a minute of a book, but find the app really simple so far.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers

Hello Mark. I know the e mail that you are talking about chirp and also the 
books that they offer. I should point out that this seems to be only for people 
who live in the US and so if people live out side of the US like in Canada I am 
ot shure if you are able to pay for the books or not. I have not used the app 
but do get the news letter. I also feel that wile the books and stuff are good 
discounts it would be nice if they were offerd in Canadion as well since wile 
they might be a good discount in USD not so in CAD. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: October 13, 2019 3:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers

Hello Everyone,

There is an audio book discount service called Chirp Books.com.  

I receive a daily email containing recommended audio books that I have found to 
be excellent.  Now, generally speaking, I learn about books from this service, 
then either download them from Apple Books, Audible, BARD or Over Drive.  

There website is fully screen reader accessible and they do have an app for iOS 
in which one can purchase the titles, at the discounted price.  

Question, has anyone ever actually used the Chirp Books app, with VoiceOver to 
download and listen to purchased titles?  

Mark

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How to make sense of Instagram

[turab chimthanawala]

Hi all,
Of late, after a lot of hesitation, I downloaded Instagram on my XR!
While being a Facebook product, the basic options are majorly
accessible, the content is mostly impossible to grasp for me.
Are there any work arounds?
Thanking you
Best
Turab

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Re: oddity with BARD app

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

As a work-around for this, you can set up an activity that sets punctuation to 
None when you run BARD Mobile. Then the spaces won't be spoken.

Best,
Anna




> On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:45 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I just updated my 6S phone to IOS 13 then updated all the apps.  I have now 
> noticed that in the BARD app, VoiceOver says “space” after any button I 
> press.  This is even true if I am playing and pausing from the button on my 
> Bluetooth earphones.  I don’t recall this from before.  Anyone else noticing 
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Re: oddity with BARD app

[Wayne Merritt]

> Yes, I have noticed that on my iPhone XR running iOS 13.1.2. I have also 
> noticed that if I'm listening to a book and then lock my screen while the 
> book is planing, when I stop the book I don't hear the usual tones the app 
> plays when starting or stopping books. When I then unlock the screen, I 
> discover the book has moved back to a prior point. This hasn't happened to me 
> in a lbbong time, but I think it is also related to iOS 13. 
Regards, 
> 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent from my iPhone XR
> 
> On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:45 PM, R Van Lant  wrote:
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> 
> Hi,
> I just updated my 6S phone to IOS 13 then updated all the apps.  I have now 
> noticed that in the BARD app, VoiceOver says “space” after any button I 
> press.  This is even true if I am playing and pausing from the button on my 
> Bluetooth earphones.  I don’t recall this from before.  Anyone else noticing 
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oddity with BARD app

[R Van Lant]

Hi,
I just updated my 6S phone to IOS 13 then updated all the apps.  I have now 
noticed that in the BARD app, VoiceOver says "space" after any button I press.  
This is even true if I am playing and pausing from the button on my Bluetooth 
earphones.  I don't recall this from before.  Anyone else noticing this?

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RE: Calendar problem

[R Van Lant]

I am on IOS 13.1.2 and have not noticed this issue. I changed a calendar entry 
from my iPhone calendar to my work calendar just today.  Just like in the 
folders for  mail, I heard my company name, then below that I find Calendar. 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Lockwood
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 12:42 PM
To: iphone group 
Subject: Calendar problem

I go into an event and choose calendar to change the calendar where the event 
displays all voiceover says is calendar calendar calendar. It does not read the 
title of the calendars. Anyone else have this problem? has Someone notify Apple 
of this problem. I use my phone for work

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RE: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

[R Van Lant]

I have had this issue on my last two Uber rides - one yesterday and one maybe 2 
weeks ago.  I have reported it when filling in the NFB Ridesharing survey after 
both rides, but not elsewhere.  I'm running IOS 13 and have all apps up to 
date.  




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

Hi Mark,

VoiceOver does speak the estimated time for me, but I have not yet upgraded to 
IOS 13, and have not updated the Uber app for a couple of weeks.

I would be interested to know if others are seeing this behavior either with 
IOS 13 and/or with the latest Uber update.  If so, I would not want to upgrade 
or update the app until that is fixed.

Sorry, I have no input on your second question as I have never tried that.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of M. 
Taylor [mk...@ucla.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

Hello All,

The other day I scheduled an on-demand ride with Uber using iOS 13.x on my 8 
Plus.

Try as I may, I could not get VoiceOver to read the estimated time of pick-up, 
even though it was clearly being updated on the screen.  For example, the 
display was saying 5 minutes away, 3 minutes, away, etc.

Question:  Am I missing something?  Can VoiceOver not read this area of the 
display?  If not, it is quite a shame.

Perhaps there is an Apple Watch complication that will update as the car gets 
closer to the pickup location?

Question 2:
Has anyone been able to schedule a ride, in advance, say 2 hours in the future, 
using the Uber app for iOS?

I have read, on the Uber website that this is a feature of the app but, try as 
I may, I cannot get the feature to display, either with or without
VoiceOver being enabled.The only way, so far, that I can even see the
feature is to logon to the Uber website, itself; and I have no intention of 
using the website to schedule rides, if I can avoid it.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, that doesn’t work, but if you touch the status bar and then do Option + 
Down Arrow control centre opens.

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

I thought you could use control option m to get to the status bar? That does 
not seem to work here unless I am miss remembering?

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:06
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

I don’t use the keyboard a lot except for when I am already in an email and I 
want to type a longer message, but I just tried and as long as focus is in the 
status bar, pressing the Options Key (Windows key on a PC keyboard) and the 
down arrow reliably opens control centre for me, pressing it with the up arrow 
opens Notification Centre.
Normally VO Key + M is supposed to put you in the status bar, but that doesn’t 
currently work in iOS 13. Once it is fixed VO Key + M followed by Options + 
Down Arrow should open the control centre and if you are still on iOS 12 that 
should work.


From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

understood. Well I figured out what I was doing wrong while trying to get into 
the control center. The mistake I was making was to keep one finger on a status 
bar item while swiping. That did not work I found after several hours of 
frustration.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 19:11
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

Actually, no it doesn't.
That is different.
If you call Apple Accessibility and they want to do a screen share, they will 
send you a notification that you accept, and then double tap on agree, and now 
they can see your screen and tell you what to do.
HTH,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

ah doing a screen share requires me to get into the control center which I can 
not do reliably.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

You will have to drag files out of the folder until it disappears.
If there are just two apps in it, dragging one out should do the trick.
You could call Apple Accessibility and do a screen share with them so they 
could direct you through the process if you are not sure how to do that.



Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

So I still have neither the dexterity nor coordination to get into the control 
center reliably and the hardware keyboard shortcut doesn’t work. While trying 
to get into the control center, I inadvertently created a productivity folder. 
How do I go about removing that?
Ray T. Mahorney
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RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have not experienced this phone bug since updating to iOS 13.1.3 and I have 
probably made and received a dozen calls since then. At this point until it 
happens again it seems to be fixed for me.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

christobal

Please keep in mind that the nasty phone bug won’t really be addressed until 
ios13.2 comes out.
The bug is still being reported for many users in 13.1.3.

So far, ios13.2 beta testers could not reproduce this bug.

Davy

From: Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

Question, is this with the default voice enabled only?
I know that sometimes I can have funky things happen with my default English 
language voice, but if I switch the language to English which I also have in my 
language rotor aside from it being my default, then that works fine.
I’m still on V 21.4.1, but plan on upgrading since it sounds like that nasty 
phone call bug was finally addressed. I may just upgrade on my secondary phone 
just to see first.
I wonder if this is a universal dictation and language thing that sighted folks 
are also experiencing…
Anyway, just a thought.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3


I confirming it
I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone

On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens 
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi folks

Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones.

If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms.

Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?
Davy
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RE: No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I use an Outlook.com account and my posts always appear in my Inbox a few 
seconds after I send a message.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Shirley Baker 
Subject: Re: No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group

It's always been a feature of Gmail, that you won't see your own messages when 
you post them to a Google group. If nothing has changed with the list, maybe 
something change with your email provider, which seems to be comcast. You might 
reach out to Comcast support to see if there's a known issue.





On 10/16/19 12:13 PM, Shirley Baker wrote:
> I did until yesterday.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Dave  wrote:
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>> I've never seen my own posts, i send to this group.
>>
>> Dave.
>>
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>> -Original Message- From: Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group
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RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

German keyboard installed in addition to English and I have had this issue ever 
since iOS 13 came out, in fact since I was using the public beta it was for 
much longer than that. I have the keyboard on English and dictate say a text 
Message and stupid SIRI interprets what I say as German and what comes out is 
total jibberish. Sometimes switching to the German keyboard and back to English 
works, other times it doesn’t. I have even gone so far as to turn off dictation 
and turn off Hey SIRI which essentially turns SIRI off and it warns you that 
all data accumulated on Apple servers about your speaking habits will be 
deleted, I went ahead and then re-enabled everything with no effect. I don’t 
think I have ever encountered the reverse, e.g. if my keyboard is on German it 
seems to interpret things in German, but then again I don’t use it as often.
If I use SIRI to say Text so and so and then speak the message in English it 
usually works fine, it’s just when I actually use dictation in an edit field 
where it messes up. I wonder if this only happens to Voiceover users since I 
think if it were a wide spread issue one would have heard about it in the 
mainstream tech press.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Muñoz
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

Question, is this with the default voice enabled only?
I know that sometimes I can have funky things happen with my default English 
language voice, but if I switch the language to English which I also have in my 
language rotor aside from it being my default, then that works fine.
I’m still on V 21.4.1, but plan on upgrading since it sounds like that nasty 
phone call bug was finally addressed. I may just upgrade on my secondary phone 
just to see first.
I wonder if this is a universal dictation and language thing that sighted folks 
are also experiencing…
Anyway, just a thought.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rafal 
Marzec
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3


I confirming it
I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone

On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens 
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi folks

Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones.

If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms.

Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?
Davy
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Re: No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group

[Christopher Chaltain]

It's always been a feature of Gmail, that you won't see your own 
messages when you post them to a Google group. If nothing has changed 
with the list, maybe something change with your email provider, which 
seems to be comcast. You might reach out to Comcast support to see if 
there's a known issue.






On 10/16/19 12:13 PM, Shirley Baker wrote:

I did until yesterday.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 16, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Dave  wrote:

I've never seen my own posts, i send to this group.

Dave.


-Original Message- From: Shirley Baker
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Subject: No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group


I am no longer receiving the mail I send to this group. Did that change?


Sent from my iPhone

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question on Fantastical 2

[Vicki W.]

Does anyone have a source for a more in depth article or tutorial for 
Fantastical 2?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: setting recurring reminders

[Christopher Chaltain]

What, you mean you can make phone calls with these smart phones? I'll 
have to check that out!



Just kidding, but I do joke with a friend of mine at the office that I 
have a smart phone where I can't make phone calls and a smart watch 
where I can't tell the time.



On 10/16/19 12:36 PM, Donald Raikes wrote:

Thank you for the help.  I did figure out the reminder app after
playing with it for a while this morning.  There are so many features
of the iPhone I haven't ever used even though I have had one for about
5 years, so not it is time to start using it for more than just
listening to audible books and making phone calls and texting :)

Donald

On 10/16/19, Marie  wrote:

If you are finding the reminder app too difficult, you can always create a
calendar event, set it to repeat at the given times and then set an alert .
Marie


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From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Donald Raikes
Subject: Re: setting recurring reminders

1) Bring up a list and then double tap on new reminder at the bottom.

2) Double tap on the time button.

3) Double tap on custom, and repeat will be one of the options.


On 10/15/19 10:38 PM, Donald Raikes wrote:

I looked at the updated reminders app, but couldn't figure out how to
set an occurrance.  Maybe I will use seri to set one up and then look
at how it is configured :)

On 10/15/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

If you are on iOS 13, take a good look at the updated Reminders app.
You can set them with Siri, but take some time going through the app's
options.
You can get rather creative on setting up reoccurring reminders.
If on iOS 12, the Reminders will still work, or just set reoccurring
appointments on the calendar and set an alarm sound for the time of the
event.
HTH,




Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:

Hi,

What is the best app to use for setting recurring reminders.  For
example, each week on friday afternoon, I need to file a status report
by 3:00pm, or each day at 11:30 I need to spend half an hour working
on a particular presentation.

I want my phone to alert me, but not have to do anything special to
have the reminder recur after the specified interval.

Any tips would be appreciated,

Donald

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Re: either I killed the calendar or its icon

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

no the apps are still there. the only thing missing seems to be the calendar. 
It did not end up on another page.

From: Marie 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 19:33
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: either I killed the calendar or its icon

The way you create a folder is to drag an app onto another app and lift your 
finger. So if you deleted the folder without moving the apps out, you may have 
deleted the apps also. I have not done this so they might have just been moved 
to another location.
good luck.
Marie


From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: either I killed the calendar or its icon

checked 3 and 4 and did not see it. Although, thinking about it, it may have 
ended up in the extras folder.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:27
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: either I killed the calendar or its icon

Just check your other pages, it may simply have ended up on page 2 or, if you 
have other folders, it may have accidently ended up in one of them although 
that is less likely.

If it’s on page 2 simply move it back to the place on page 1 where you want it.

 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: either I killed the calendar or its icon

 

While I was trying to disappear that productivity folder, The calendar appears 
to have gone with it. Either that or its icon. The calendar normally shows up 
on page one but it is no longer there. Any way to get that back?
Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Shirley Baker]

Glad it worked for you. I figured you would understand it. Not really that 
difficult once you get it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Perfect, Shirley. That did it, and then I put it back on Characters. Thank 
> you. It's now on 55. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
> 
> If you want to adjust your speaking rate, then turn your rotor to such and 
> make the necessary adjustment and when you are through, then turn your rotor 
> to something else like words. I keep mine set most of the time on words 
> unless I need to do something else.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, then turn back so that speed won't come up whenever I flick up or 
>> down, is that right?>
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:32 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>> 
>> Carolyn, if you want to adjust your speed, turn two fingers on your 
>> screen until you hear your phone say speed and then you just flick up 
>> to either make it faster or slower or down. If you're not sure 
>> something is in your rotor, just go to settings and then to rotor and 
>> when you see something you want on the rotor, just double tap that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Carolyn Arnold 
>>> <4carol...@windstream.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess the Rotor is my next challenge. I just don't quite get how 
>>> to use it. I tried to adjust my speech rate to 56 percent, as 50 is a 
>>> little slow, but 60 fast for me taste. It's still 50. Then, too, I 
>>> don't want it coming up half the time when I'm in the middle of 
>>> something changing speech rate up or down, whenever I flick.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>> 
>>> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate 
>>> it maybe have not yet understood its use and learned how to take 
>>> advantage of it.
>>> 
>>> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is 
>>> vertical navigation which is very different.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Feliciano Godoy
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> 
>>> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one 
>>> implemented on iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right 
>>> hand side edge of the screen.
>>> 
>>> Feliciano
>>> 
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>>> those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the 
>>> ones who do. -Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of 
>>> the rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta 
>>> that its been moved and made a main part of the screen?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does 
>>> the learning start?***
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  From: Anna Dresner 
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
>>>  To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>>>  Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Hi Carolyn,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through 
>>> the page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also 
>>> tells you where you are on the page.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Best,
>>> 
>>>  Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold
>>> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
 
>>> 
 Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
>>> 
 any of you Beta people have any idea?
>>> 
 
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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Perfect, Shirley. That did it, and then I put it back on Characters. Thank you. 
It's now on 55. 

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Shirley Baker
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

If you want to adjust your speaking rate, then turn your rotor to such and make 
the necessary adjustment and when you are through, then turn your rotor to 
something else like words. I keep mine set most of the time on words unless I 
need to do something else.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> OK, then turn back so that speed won't come up whenever I flick up or 
> down, is that right?>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
> Carolyn, if you want to adjust your speed, turn two fingers on your 
> screen until you hear your phone say speed and then you just flick up 
> to either make it faster or slower or down. If you're not sure 
> something is in your rotor, just go to settings and then to rotor and 
> when you see something you want on the rotor, just double tap that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Carolyn Arnold 
>> <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I guess the Rotor is my next challenge. I just don't quite get how 
>> to use it. I tried to adjust my speech rate to 56 percent, as 50 is a 
>> little slow, but 60 fast for me taste. It's still 50. Then, too, I 
>> don't want it coming up half the time when I'm in the middle of 
>> something changing speech rate up or down, whenever I flick.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>
>> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate 
>> it maybe have not yet understood its use and learned how to take 
>> advantage of it.
>>
>> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is 
>> vertical navigation which is very different.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Feliciano Godoy
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one 
>> implemented on iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right 
>> hand side edge of the screen.
>>
>> Feliciano
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>>
>>
>>   On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>
>>   I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of 
>> the rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta 
>> that its been moved and made a main part of the screen?
>>
>>
>>
>>   **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does 
>> the learning start?***
>>
>>
>>
>>   From: Anna Dresner 
>>   Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
>>   To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>>   Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Hi Carolyn,
>>
>>
>>
>>   YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through 
>> the page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also 
>> tells you where you are on the page.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Best,
>>
>>   Anna
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold
>> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
>>
>>> any of you Beta people have any idea?
>>
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RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Oh, I am too. So far, I am really happy with 13.1.3. 

-Original Message-
From: 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.

I am glad that when you hang up a call you doo not get the loss of speech

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> I went ahead and downloaded 13.1.3. I am running my hearing treatment 
> with Bluetooth, something I could not do in .2. I am so glad. My ears 
> have been ringing me to death. I think it will take several treatments 
> to get me back to where I was, but at least I can do them now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>
> The navigating messages thread is a Voiceover feature.
> I have only made a few calls, but so far Voiceover and sounds have not 
> gone away, either. As far as whether you should update or not that 
> isn't even a question you should consider, at this point you should 
> always update to any new iOS 13 release. Yes, there is always a chance 
> Apple could introduce a major new bug and you could wait a day or so 
> because if they did you'd hear about it almost immediately on this 
> list, but the chances of that are fairly small and there is a much 
> bigger likelihood existing bugs are getting fixed.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>
> What about VoiceOver?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>
> I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I 
> think; fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed.
> I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test 
> more.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by 
> Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>   On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith 
> wrote:
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>
>
>   Ios 13.1.3 is now available for download. I don’t know what has been 
> fixed or not fixed with VoiceOver. I am currently running iOS 13.2 
> beta.
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RE: Accessibility of android

[Carolyn Arnold]

I had an Android tablet, really liked TalkBack, no problem deleting emails. I 
liked the Eyes-Free list. It had a whole lot of traffic, but from time to time, 
they had great videos. 

When I grew up, people used to argue over a Chevy or a Ford, and living in 
Houston, I used to say, get either one, get on U.S. 75, you'll get to Dallas. 
Same with Android and iPhone. 

I really like my iPhone, because I use it all day every day and am accustomed 
to it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 3:41 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Accessibility of android

I am, and have been an Android user from the beginning. Android is different 
than iOS. If you want to do things as you always have, you are unwilling to 
change your workflow, you like iOS, stick with iOS. If you come into it with 
curiosity, knowing that it is different, knowing that there are probably users 
doing what you want and solutions for what you want to do even if it involves 
doing those things in a different way, then Android is for you. Devon stated a 
number of things. He stated that TTS voices are not as high quality. This is 
subjective, and some of the Google TTS voices are pretty good, especially 
voices which have been added recently. Of course you can purchase other voices 
as he stated. Devon also stated that you must use headphones to silence speech. 
Another way to silence speech is to turn down the accessibility volume to zero. 
This is not ideal, we should have a silence speech option, but there is a 
solution which does not require the use of headphones, and an example of what I 
mean by changing your workflow. Devon stated that it is difficult to delete 
emails. I disagree. Delete is right at the top of Gmail, and other email apps 
have different layouts. Talkback has actions such as are found in Voiceover, 
and bringing up a list of actions can easily be bound to a gesture of your 
choosing. This is a change to your workflow, but not one which makes you 
unproductive, in my opinion. Voice assistant is more like iOS in that delete is 
available by swiping up with one finger, and with Voice assistant, 
double-tapping with two fingers triggers the chosen action. So again, very 
similar to what iOS has, except that you double-tap with two fingers instead of 
one. Voice assistant requires a Samsung device. Android provides users with 
choice, there are many different manufacturers and some add additional 
accessibility features, there are many external apps on the Playstore for 
accessibility functions or otherwise, so most likely, whatever you want to do 
will be probably doable, although you may have to change how you currently do 
it.

there are two mailing lists which I recommend you join for additional help and 
info about Android. antad+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
  and 
eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
 

Antad is a group which is composed of Android users who wanted their own list 
without moderation. The result is a list which may not stick to Android as a 
topic, but you can still get very helpful information there.

Eyes-free group is ran by Google. It is more moderated now, and has Android as 
a topic of discussion.

You can also search for the Antad podcast in tunein, or the podcatcher of your 
choice for a podcast by Android users and Google fanboys. It may be under 
inclusiveandroid if you cannot find it under antad podcast, but let me know if 
you can't find it.

Here's hoping this helps.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 12:18 PM Amy Johnson mailto:asg1...@gmail.com> > wrote:


I have a smart vision 2 phone that runs on android and I like it for
certain things but still use my Iphone for certain apps as well.

On 10/16/19, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> I used it for half a year in 2017 to 2018. It is usable, but not as
> productive as the iPhone. For example, deleting email is not as 
quick, there
> is no widely used Actions rotor, and Google TTS is still very low 
quality
> compared with iOS’s many speech choices. Of course, you can buy other 
voices
> for Android. If you use Braille, you must download the BrailleBack 
app,
> which also requires that Talkback be on, which means that you have to 
plug
> in headphones to have silent braille usage.
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:51 PM, James Lockwood mailto:lockwoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
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Re: iCloud Backup

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

You don't have to turn off automatic backups to do one yourself. Choose the 
Apple ID button at the top of Settings, then iCloud, then Backup. You can do a 
backup from that screen at any time as well as turn automatic backups on or off.

Best,
Anna




> On Oct 16, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn  
> wrote:
> 
>> Where is the setting to turn off automatic backups so that I can do it 
>> myself?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The phone doesn't have to be locked to do a manual backup. It's just that 
>> automatic backups only happen when it's locked.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, All,
>> 
>> Is it possible to do an iCloud backup without the phone being locked? Now it 
>> says the phone has to be locked, connected to power, and connnected to 
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Re: iCloud Backup

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi,

Go to your device settings, Apple ID, iCloud, iCloud back up on and double tap 
it and there you have the option to activate the back up button to do a manual 
back up or to enable or disable automatic back up.

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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn  
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> 
> 
>> 
>> Where is the setting to turn off automatic backups so that I can do it 
>> myself?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The phone doesn't have to be locked to do a manual backup. It's just that 
>> automatic backups only happen when it's locked.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, All,
>> 
>> Is it possible to do an iCloud backup without the phone being locked? Now it 
>> says the phone has to be locked, connected to power, and connnected to 
>> wi-fi. I never had to lock my phone to backup before this.
>> 
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Re: either I killed the calendar or its icon

[Marie]

The way you create a folder is to drag an app onto another app and lift your 
finger. So if you deleted the folder without moving the apps out, you may have 
deleted the apps also. I have not done this so they might have just been moved 
to another location.
good luck.
Marie


From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: either I killed the calendar or its icon

checked 3 and 4 and did not see it. Although, thinking about it, it may have 
ended up in the extras folder.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:27
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: either I killed the calendar or its icon

Just check your other pages, it may simply have ended up on page 2 or, if you 
have other folders, it may have accidently ended up in one of them although 
that is less likely.

If it’s on page 2 simply move it back to the place on page 1 where you want it.

 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: either I killed the calendar or its icon

 

While I was trying to disappear that productivity folder, The calendar appears 
to have gone with it. Either that or its icon. The calendar normally shows up 
on page one but it is no longer there. Any way to get that back?
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA

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Re: iCloud Backup

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

> Where is the setting to turn off automatic backups so that I can do it myself?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> The phone doesn't have to be locked to do a manual backup. It's just that 
> automatic backups only happen when it's locked.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
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> 
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> Is it possible to do an iCloud backup without the phone being locked? Now it 
> says the phone has to be locked, connected to power, and connnected to wi-fi. 
> I never had to lock my phone to backup before this.
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> Dulce
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Re: iCloud Backup

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

The phone doesn't have to be locked to do a manual backup. It's just that 
automatic backups only happen when it's locked.

Best,
Anna




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Re: Calendar problem

[Richard Turner]

This may be obvious, but do you have other calendars enabled in the settings in 
the calendar app?
If so, then this sounds like a bug and a call to Apple Accessibility may be in 
order.




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On Oct 16, 2019, at 11:41 AM, James Lockwood  wrote:

I go into an event and choose calendar to change the calendar where the event 
displays all voiceover says is calendar calendar calendar. It does not read the 
title of the calendars. Anyone else have this problem? has Someone notify Apple 
of this problem. I use my phone for work

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Re: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

[Marie]

This is happening with IOS 12.4 also so it is a Uber problem with Voiceover.
Workaround: double tap on the driver and you will be able to read the ETA on 
that screen

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: M. Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

Hello All,

The other day I scheduled an on-demand ride with Uber using iOS 13.x on my 8
Plus.

Try as I may, I could not get VoiceOver to read the estimated time of
pick-up, even though it was clearly being updated on the screen.  For
example, the display was saying 5 minutes away, 3 minutes, away, etc.

Question:  Am I missing something?  Can VoiceOver not read this area of the
display?  If not, it is quite a shame.

Perhaps there is an Apple Watch complication that will update as the car
gets closer to the pickup location?

Question 2:
Has anyone been able to schedule a ride, in advance, say 2 hours in the
future, using the Uber app for iOS?

I have read, on the Uber website that this is a feature of the app but, try
as I may, I cannot get the feature to display, either with or without
VoiceOver being enabled.The only way, so far, that I can even see the
feature is to logon to the Uber website, itself; and I have no intention of
using the website to schedule rides, if I can avoid it.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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Re: either I killed the calendar or its icon

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

checked 3 and 4 and did not see it. Although, thinking about it, it may have 
ended up in the extras folder.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:27
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: either I killed the calendar or its icon

Just check your other pages, it may simply have ended up on page 2 or, if you 
have other folders, it may have accidently ended up in one of them although 
that is less likely.

If it’s on page 2 simply move it back to the place on page 1 where you want it.

 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: either I killed the calendar or its icon

 

While I was trying to disappear that productivity folder, The calendar appears 
to have gone with it. Either that or its icon. The calendar normally shows up 
on page one but it is no longer there. Any way to get that back?
Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

I thought you could use control option m to get to the status bar? That does 
not seem to work here unless I am miss remembering?

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:06
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

I don’t use the keyboard a lot except for when I am already in an email and I 
want to type a longer message, but I just tried and as long as focus is in the 
status bar, pressing the Options Key (Windows key on a PC keyboard) and the 
down arrow reliably opens control centre for me, pressing it with the up arrow 
opens Notification Centre.

Normally VO Key + M is supposed to put you in the status bar, but that doesn’t 
currently work in iOS 13. Once it is fixed VO Key + M followed by Options + 
Down Arrow should open the control centre and if you are still on iOS 12 that 
should work.

 

 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

 

understood. Well I figured out what I was doing wrong while trying to get into 
the control center. The mistake I was making was to keep one finger on a status 
bar item while swiping. That did not work I found after several hours of 
frustration.

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 19:11

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

 

Actually, no it doesn't. 

That is different.

If you call Apple Accessibility and they want to do a screen share, they will 
send you a notification that you accept, and then double tap on agree, and now 
they can see your screen and tell you what to do.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

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-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 





  On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

   

  ah doing a screen share requires me to get into the control center which I 
can not do reliably.

   

  From: Richard Turner 

  Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 15:56

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

   

  You will have to drag files out of the folder until it disappears. 

  If there are just two apps in it, dragging one out should do the trick.

  You could call Apple Accessibility and do a screen share with them so they 
could direct you through the process if you are not sure how to do that.

   

   

   

  Richard

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Wagner

   





On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

 

So I still have neither the dexterity nor coordination to get into the 
control center reliably and the hardware keyboard shortcut doesn’t work. While 
trying to get into the control center, I inadvertently created a productivity 
folder. How do I go about removing that?
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA

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iCloud Backup

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

Hi, All,Is it possible to do an iCloud backup without the phone being locked?   Now it says the phone has to be locked, connected to power, and connnected to wi-fi.   I never had to lock my phone to backup before this.Dulce



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Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.

['wui chin Leong' via VIPhone]

It has not happened to me since I up dated yesterday

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:17 PM, dani pagador  wrote:
> 
> I upgraded to 13.1.3 and still lose speech after ending a call. The
> difference now though is that I can toggle VO back on with the
> triple-click-Home shortcut. Whew.
> 
> More Later,
> Dani
> 
> On 10/16/19, 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone  wrote:
>> I am glad that when you hang up a call you doo not get the loss of speech
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went ahead and downloaded 13.1.3. I am running my hearing treatment with
>>> Bluetooth, something I could not do in .2. I am so glad. My ears have been
>>> ringing me to death. I think it will take several treatments to get me
>>> back to where I was, but at least I can do them now.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:20 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>>> 
>>> The navigating messages thread is a Voiceover feature.
>>> I have only made a few calls, but so far Voiceover and sounds have not
>>> gone away, either. As far as whether you should update or not that isn't
>>> even a question you should consider, at this point you should always
>>> update to any new iOS 13 release. Yes, there is always a chance Apple
>>> could introduce a major new bug and you could wait a day or so because if
>>> they did you'd hear about it almost immediately on this list, but the
>>> chances of that are fairly small and there is a much bigger likelihood
>>> existing bugs are getting fixed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Carolyn Arnold
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:51 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>>> 
>>> What about VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:34 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>>> 
>>> I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I
>>> think; fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed.
>>> I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test
>>> more.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>>> it."
>>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
>>> 
>>> Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ios 13.1.3 is now available for download. I don’t know what has been
>>> fixed
>>> or not fixed with VoiceOver. I am currently running iOS 13.2 beta.
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Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.

[dani pagador]

I upgraded to 13.1.3 and still lose speech after ending a call. The
difference now though is that I can toggle VO back on with the
triple-click-Home shortcut. Whew.

More Later,
Dani

On 10/16/19, 'wui chin Leong' via VIPhone  wrote:
> I am glad that when you hang up a call you doo not get the loss of speech
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I went ahead and downloaded 13.1.3. I am running my hearing treatment with
>> Bluetooth, something I could not do in .2. I am so glad. My ears have been
>> ringing me to death. I think it will take several treatments to get me
>> back to where I was, but at least I can do them now.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>>
>> The navigating messages thread is a Voiceover feature.
>> I have only made a few calls, but so far Voiceover and sounds have not
>> gone away, either. As far as whether you should update or not that isn't
>> even a question you should consider, at this point you should always
>> update to any new iOS 13 release. Yes, there is always a chance Apple
>> could introduce a major new bug and you could wait a day or so because if
>> they did you'd hear about it almost immediately on this list, but the
>> chances of that are fairly small and there is a much bigger likelihood
>> existing bugs are getting fixed.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>>
>> What about VoiceOver?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>>
>> I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I
>> think; fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed.
>> I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test
>> more.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it."
>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
>>
>> Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  Ios 13.1.3 is now available for download. I don’t know what has been
>> fixed
>> or not fixed with VoiceOver. I am currently running iOS 13.2 beta.
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Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Shirley Baker]

If you want to adjust your speaking rate, then turn your rotor to such and make 
the necessary adjustment and when you are through, then turn your rotor to 
something else like words. I keep mine set most of the time on words unless I 
need to do something else.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> OK, then turn back so that speed won't come up whenever I flick up or down, 
> is that right?>
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shirley Baker
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
> 
> Carolyn, if you want to adjust your speed, turn two fingers on your screen 
> until you hear your phone say speed and then you just flick up to either make 
> it faster or slower or down. If you're not sure something is in your rotor, 
> just go to settings and then to rotor and when you see something you want on 
> the rotor, just double tap that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I guess the Rotor is my next challenge. I just don't quite get how to 
>> use it. I tried to adjust my speech rate to 56 percent, as 50 is a 
>> little slow, but 60 fast for me taste. It's still 50. Then, too, I 
>> don't want it coming up half the time when I'm in the middle of 
>> something changing speech rate up or down, whenever I flick.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>> 
>> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it 
>> maybe have not yet understood its use and learned how to take 
>> advantage of it.
>> 
>> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is 
>> vertical navigation which is very different.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Feliciano Godoy
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Robert,
>> 
>> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one 
>> implemented on iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right 
>> hand side edge of the screen.
>> 
>> Feliciano
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of 
>> the rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta 
>> that its been moved and made a main part of the screen?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does 
>> the learning start?***
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   From: Anna Dresner 
>>   Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
>>   To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>>   Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Hi Carolyn,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through 
>> the page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also 
>> tells you where you are on the page.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Best,
>> 
>>   Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
>> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
>> 
>>> any of you Beta people have any idea?
>> 
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Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.

['wui chin Leong' via VIPhone]

I am glad that when you hang up a call you doo not get the loss of speech

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I went ahead and downloaded 13.1.3. I am running my hearing treatment with 
> Bluetooth, something I could not do in .2. I am so glad. My ears have been 
> ringing me to death. I think it will take several treatments to get me back 
> to where I was, but at least I can do them now. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
> 
> The navigating messages thread is a Voiceover feature.
> I have only made a few calls, but so far Voiceover and sounds have not gone 
> away, either. As far as whether you should update or not that isn't even a 
> question you should consider, at this point you should always update to any 
> new iOS 13 release. Yes, there is always a chance Apple could introduce a 
> major new bug and you could wait a day or so because if they did you'd hear 
> about it almost immediately on this list, but the chances of that are fairly 
> small and there is a much bigger likelihood existing bugs are getting fixed.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
> 
> What about VoiceOver?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.
> 
> I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I think; 
> fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed.
> I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test more.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane 
> Wagner
> 
> 
> 
>   On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>   Ios 13.1.3 is now available for download. I don’t know what has been 
> fixed 
> or not fixed with VoiceOver. I am currently running iOS 13.2 beta.
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Re: Accessibility of android

[Nimer Jaber]

I am, and have been an Android user from the beginning. Android is
different than iOS. If you want to do things as you always have, you are
unwilling to change your workflow, you like iOS, stick with iOS. If you
come into it with curiosity, knowing that it is different, knowing that
there are probably users doing what you want and solutions for what you
want to do even if it involves doing those things in a different way, then
Android is for you. Devon stated a number of things. He stated that TTS
voices are not as high quality. This is subjective, and some of the Google
TTS voices are pretty good, especially voices which have been added
recently. Of course you can purchase other voices as he stated. Devon also
stated that you must use headphones to silence speech. Another way to
silence speech is to turn down the accessibility volume to zero. This is
not ideal, we should have a silence speech option, but there is a solution
which does not require the use of headphones, and an example of what I mean
by changing your workflow. Devon stated that it is difficult to delete
emails. I disagree. Delete is right at the top of Gmail, and other email
apps have different layouts. Talkback has actions such as are found in
Voiceover, and bringing up a list of actions can easily be bound to a
gesture of your choosing. This is a change to your workflow, but not one
which makes you unproductive, in my opinion. Voice assistant is more like
iOS in that delete is available by swiping up with one finger, and with
Voice assistant, double-tapping with two fingers triggers the chosen
action. So again, very similar to what iOS has, except that you double-tap
with two fingers instead of one. Voice assistant requires a Samsung device.
Android provides users with choice, there are many different manufacturers
and some add additional accessibility features, there are many external
apps on the Playstore for accessibility functions or otherwise, so most
likely, whatever you want to do will be probably doable, although you may
have to change how you currently do it.

there are two mailing lists which I recommend you join for additional help
and info about Android. antad+subscr...@googlegroups.com and
eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Antad is a group which is composed of Android users who wanted their own
list without moderation. The result is a list which may not stick to
Android as a topic, but you can still get very helpful information there.

Eyes-free group is ran by Google. It is more moderated now, and has Android
as a topic of discussion.

You can also search for the Antad podcast in tunein, or the podcatcher of
your choice for a podcast by Android users and Google fanboys. It may be
under inclusiveandroid if you cannot find it under antad podcast, but let
me know if you can't find it.

Here's hoping this helps.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 12:18 PM Amy Johnson  wrote:

> I have a smart vision 2 phone that runs on android and I like it for
> certain things but still use my Iphone for certain apps as well.
>
> On 10/16/19, Devin Prater  wrote:
> > I used it for half a year in 2017 to 2018. It is usable, but not as
> > productive as the iPhone. For example, deleting email is not as quick,
> there
> > is no widely used Actions rotor, and Google TTS is still very low quality
> > compared with iOS’s many speech choices. Of course, you can buy other
> voices
> > for Android. If you use Braille, you must download the BrailleBack app,
> > which also requires that Talkback be on, which means that you have to
> plug
> > in headphones to have silent braille usage.
> >
> >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:51 PM, James Lockwood 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know this is a group for iPhone. However has anyone used android
> >> recently? If so can you please comment on its accessibility? Has it
> >> improved at all
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RE: A Question to Voiceover Uber Riders

[karl Smith]

I'm using an iPhone 6S with iOS 13.x and Sunday night I scheduled a ride with 
UBER for Monday morning and in the morning I got the update as to time before 
my ride would arrive and it read just fine with Voiceover.

Now my question is, does anyone know if after you have scheduled an UBER ride 
in advance if you can go in and verify that it is in fact scheduled? I could 
never find this although the next morning I was notified that my ride was on 
the way.

Karl


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question to Voiceover Uber Riders

Hello All,

The other day I scheduled an on-demand ride with Uber using iOS 13.x on my 8 
Plus.

Try as I may, I could not get Voiceover to read the estimated time of pick-up, 
even though it was clearly being updated on the screen.  For example, the 
display was saying 5 minutes away, 3 minutes, away, etc.

Question:  Am I missing something?  Can Voiceover not read this area of the 
display?  If not, it is quite a shame.

Perhaps there is an Apple Watch complication that will update as the car gets 
closer to the pickup location?

Question 2:
Has anyone been able to schedule a ride, in advance, say 2 hours in the future, 
using the Uber app for iOS?  

I have read, on the Uber website that this is a feature of the app but, try as 
I may, I cannot get the feature to display, either with or without
Voiceover being enabled.The only way, so far, that I can even see the
feature is to logon to the Uber website, itself; and I have no intention of 
using the website to schedule rides, if I can avoid it.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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Re: Accessibility of android

[Amy Johnson]

I have a smart vision 2 phone that runs on android and I like it for
certain things but still use my Iphone for certain apps as well.

On 10/16/19, Devin Prater  wrote:
> I used it for half a year in 2017 to 2018. It is usable, but not as
> productive as the iPhone. For example, deleting email is not as quick, there
> is no widely used Actions rotor, and Google TTS is still very low quality
> compared with iOS’s many speech choices. Of course, you can buy other voices
> for Android. If you use Braille, you must download the BrailleBack app,
> which also requires that Talkback be on, which means that you have to plug
> in headphones to have silent braille usage.
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:51 PM, James Lockwood  wrote:
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>> I know this is a group for iPhone. However has anyone used android
>> recently? If so can you please comment on its accessibility? Has it
>> improved at all
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Re: Accessibility of android

[Devin Prater]

I used it for half a year in 2017 to 2018. It is usable, but not as productive 
as the iPhone. For example, deleting email is not as quick, there is no widely 
used Actions rotor, and Google TTS is still very low quality compared with 
iOS’s many speech choices. Of course, you can buy other voices for Android. If 
you use Braille, you must download the BrailleBack app, which also requires 
that Talkback be on, which means that you have to plug in headphones to have 
silent braille usage.

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:51 PM, James Lockwood  wrote:
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> I know this is a group for iPhone. However has anyone used android recently? 
> If so can you please comment on its accessibility? Has it improved at all
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RE: Speaking Rate on the Rotor

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yes, speaking rate is on my rotor, thanks. 

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Subject: Speaking Rate on the Rotor

Carolyn, if speaking rate is not on your rotor, you go to accessibility in 
settings, voiceover, then swipe right until you hear rotor. Once you are there, 
you will find speaking rate and if it doesn't say selected, double tap that and 
then it will be on your rotor or anything else you might want on your rotor, 
you would double tap to select that.

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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Carolyn Arnold]

OK, then turn back so that speed won't come up whenever I flick up or down, is 
that right?>

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Shirley Baker
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:32 AM
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Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Carolyn, if you want to adjust your speed, turn two fingers on your screen 
until you hear your phone say speed and then you just flick up to either make 
it faster or slower or down. If you're not sure something is in your rotor, 
just go to settings and then to rotor and when you see something you want on 
the rotor, just double tap that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> I guess the Rotor is my next challenge. I just don't quite get how to 
> use it. I tried to adjust my speech rate to 56 percent, as 50 is a 
> little slow, but 60 fast for me taste. It's still 50. Then, too, I 
> don't want it coming up half the time when I'm in the middle of 
> something changing speech rate up or down, whenever I flick.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it 
> maybe have not yet understood its use and learned how to take 
> advantage of it.
>
> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is 
> vertical navigation which is very different.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Feliciano Godoy
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
>
>
> Robert,
>
> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one 
> implemented on iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right 
> hand side edge of the screen.
>
> Feliciano
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>On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright 
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>
>
>I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of 
> the rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta 
> that its been moved and made a main part of the screen?
>
>
>
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>
>From: Anna Dresner 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
>To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
>
>
>Hi Carolyn,
>
>
>
>YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through 
> the page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also 
> tells you where you are on the page.
>
>
>
>Best,
>
>Anna
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
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>>
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>> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
>
>> any of you Beta people have any idea?
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RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I went ahead and downloaded 13.1.3. I am running my hearing treatment with 
Bluetooth, something I could not do in .2. I am so glad. My ears have been 
ringing me to death. I think it will take several treatments to get me back to 
where I was, but at least I can do them now. 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:20 AM
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Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.

The navigating messages thread is a Voiceover feature.
I have only made a few calls, but so far Voiceover and sounds have not gone 
away, either. As far as whether you should update or not that isn't even a 
question you should consider, at this point you should always update to any new 
iOS 13 release. Yes, there is always a chance Apple could introduce a major new 
bug and you could wait a day or so because if they did you'd hear about it 
almost immediately on this list, but the chances of that are fairly small and 
there is a much bigger likelihood existing bugs are getting fixed.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.

What about VoiceOver?

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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:34 PM
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Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.

I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I think; 
fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed.
I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test more.




Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith  
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Ios 13.1.3 is now available for download. I don’t know what has been 
fixed 
or not fixed with VoiceOver. I am currently running iOS 13.2 beta.

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Accessibility of android

[James Lockwood]

I know this is a group for iPhone. However has anyone used android recently? If 
so can you please comment on its accessibility? Has it improved at all

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Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

christobal 

Please keep in mind that the nasty phone bug won’t really be addressed until 
ios13.2 comes out.
The bug is still being reported for many users in 13.1.3.

So far, ios13.2 beta testers could not reproduce this bug.

Davy 

From: Cristobal Muñoz 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

Question, is this with the default voice enabled only?

I know that sometimes I can have funky things happen with my default English 
language voice, but if I switch the language to English which I also have in my 
language rotor aside from it being my default, then that works fine.

I’m still on V 21.4.1, but plan on upgrading since it sounds like that nasty 
phone call bug was finally addressed. I may just upgrade on my secondary phone 
just to see first.

I wonder if this is a universal dictation and language thing that sighted folks 
are also experiencing… 

Anyway, just a thought.

 

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Marzec
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I confirming it 

I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone





  On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi folks 

   

  Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

   

  If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms. 

   

  Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?

  Davy 

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RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Grr… V 12.4.1

 

From: Cristobal Muñoz  
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

 

Question, is this with the default voice enabled only?

I know that sometimes I can have funky things happen with my default English 
language voice, but if I switch the language to English which I also have in my 
language rotor aside from it being my default, then that works fine.

I’m still on V 21.4.1, but plan on upgrading since it sounds like that nasty 
phone call bug was finally addressed. I may just upgrade on my secondary phone 
just to see first.

I wonder if this is a universal dictation and language thing that sighted folks 
are also experiencing… 

Anyway, just a thought.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Rafal Marzec
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I confirming it 

I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone

 

On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi folks 

 

Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

 

If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms. 

 

Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?

Davy 

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RE: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Question, is this with the default voice enabled only?

I know that sometimes I can have funky things happen with my default English 
language voice, but if I switch the language to English which I also have in my 
language rotor aside from it being my default, then that works fine.

I’m still on V 21.4.1, but plan on upgrading since it sounds like that nasty 
phone call bug was finally addressed. I may just upgrade on my secondary phone 
just to see first.

I wonder if this is a universal dictation and language thing that sighted folks 
are also experiencing… 

Anyway, just a thought.

 

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Marzec
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I confirming it 

I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone





On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi folks 

 

Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

 

If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms. 

 

Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?

Davy 

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Calendar problem

[James Lockwood]

I go into an event and choose calendar to change the calendar where the event 
displays all voiceover says is calendar calendar calendar. It does not read the 
title of the calendars. Anyone else have this problem? has Someone notify Apple 
of this problem. I use my phone for work

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Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Rafał Marzec]

Yes I’m using several keyboards
The problem is when I’m dictating something in another language it’s changing 
it to English

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Oct 2019, at 7:27 pm, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> 
> What additional languages than Englisch are installed, do you use several 
> keyboards?
>  
> From: Rafał Marzec
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3
>  
> 
> 
> I confirming it
> I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi folks
>>  
>> Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
>> dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones.
>>  
>> If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
>> next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are 
>> installed, the next line will be put out in another language for example 
>> Dutch and then English or French so that that line is read out full of 
>> mistakes and wrong words and idioms.
>>  
>> Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?
>> Davy
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Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

What additional languages than Englisch are installed, do you use several 
keyboards?

From: Rafał Marzec 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:24 PM
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Subject: Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3




I confirming it 
I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone


  On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi folks 

  Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

  If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms. 

  Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?
  Davy 
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Re: attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Rafał Marzec]

I confirming it 
I’ve got the same problem Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Oct 2019, at 6:39 pm, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi folks
>  
> Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
> dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones.
>  
> If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
> next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are 
> installed, the next line will be put out in another language for example 
> Dutch and then English or French so that that line is read out full of 
> mistakes and wrong words and idioms.
>  
> Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?
> Davy
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RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

[Robert Wright]

Normally you touch the status bar. When you know you are there you  you do a 3 
finger swipe up to open the control center. You shouldn’t need to try and hold 
it in place.


**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 9:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

8 plus running the most IOS 13.3 I believe. I ended up using both hands to get 
into the control center. The first mistake I made was to hold down a status bar 
item while swiping up with the three fingers on the right hand. After several 
attempts at this I got no where. It was suggested that I touch the status bar 
item and swipe at the same time which required one finger on one hand and the 
other fingers of the other hand but that worked. Unfortunately, at this point, 
using a hardware keyboard to get to the control center is a non starter.
 
From: Robert Wright 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 06:00
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder
 
Ray, can you tell me which phone you have and which iOS you are running. Also, 
can you give me step by step what you did to open the control center?
 
**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 
 
From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder
 
Actually, no it doesn't. 
That is different.
If you call Apple Accessibility and they want to do a screen share, they will 
send you a notification that you accept, and then double tap on agree, and now 
they can see your screen and tell you what to do.
HTH,
 
 
 
Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner
 

On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:
 
ah doing a screen share requires me to get into the control center which I can 
not do reliably.
 
From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder
 
You will have to drag files out of the folder until it disappears. 
If there are just two apps in it, dragging one out should do the trick.
You could call Apple Accessibility and do a screen share with them so they 
could direct you through the process if you are not sure how to do that.
 
 
 
Richard
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-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner
 

On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
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So I still have neither the dexterity nor coordination to get into the control 
center reliably and the hardware keyboard shortcut doesn’t work. While trying 
to get into the control center, I inadvertently created a productivity folder. 
How do I go about removing that?
Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.

[lenron brown]

I think they may have finally gotten it right. My phone has not
crashed in a day, this is after updating to the latest.

On 10/16/19, Jim Fettgather  wrote:
> The mail appworks more consistently, and  this update has also
> addressed the difficulty of locating the status bar as well.
> Thanks.
>
> On 10/16/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> The navigating messages thread is a Voiceover feature.
>> I have only made a few calls, but so far Voiceover and sounds have not
>> gone
>> away, either. As far as whether you should update or not that isn't even
>> a
>> question you should consider, at this point you should always update to
>> any
>> new iOS 13 release. Yes, there is always a chance Apple could introduce a
>> major new bug and you could wait a day or so because if they did you'd
>> hear
>> about it almost immediately on this list, but the chances of that are
>> fairly
>> small and there is a much bigger likelihood existing bugs are getting
>> fixed.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>>
>> What about VoiceOver?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>>
>> I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I
>> think;
>> fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed.
>> I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test
>> more.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>> it."
>>
>> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
>> Wagner
>>
>>
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>>  On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith 
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>> fixed
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RE: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Mark,

VoiceOver does speak the estimated time for me, but I have not yet upgraded to 
IOS 13, and have not updated the Uber app for a couple of weeks.

I would be interested to know if others are seeing this behavior either with 
IOS 13 and/or with the latest Uber update.  If so, I would not want to upgrade 
or update the app until that is fixed.

Sorry, I have no input on your second question as I have never tried that.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of M. 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

Hello All,

The other day I scheduled an on-demand ride with Uber using iOS 13.x on my 8
Plus.

Try as I may, I could not get VoiceOver to read the estimated time of
pick-up, even though it was clearly being updated on the screen.  For
example, the display was saying 5 minutes away, 3 minutes, away, etc.

Question:  Am I missing something?  Can VoiceOver not read this area of the
display?  If not, it is quite a shame.

Perhaps there is an Apple Watch complication that will update as the car
gets closer to the pickup location?

Question 2:
Has anyone been able to schedule a ride, in advance, say 2 hours in the
future, using the Uber app for iOS?

I have read, on the Uber website that this is a feature of the app but, try
as I may, I cannot get the feature to display, either with or without
VoiceOver being enabled.The only way, so far, that I can even see the
feature is to logon to the Uber website, itself; and I have no intention of
using the website to schedule rides, if I can avoid it.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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attention: possible severe dictation bug in ios13.1.3

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Two belgian users mentioned earlier today that a language switch in 
dictionaries had been made for their dictation capability on iphones. 

If you dictate in paragraphes, the first is just fine, but when entering the 
next line separated by a full stop point, if different languages are installed, 
the next line will be put out in another language for example Dutch and then 
English or French so that that line is read out full of mistakes and wrong 
words and idioms. 

Who can confirm this strange behaviour bug?
Davy 

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Re: setting recurring reminders

[Donald Raikes]

Thank you for the help.  I did figure out the reminder app after
playing with it for a while this morning.  There are so many features
of the iPhone I haven't ever used even though I have had one for about
5 years, so not it is time to start using it for more than just
listening to audible books and making phone calls and texting :)

Donald

On 10/16/19, Marie  wrote:
> If you are finding the reminder app too difficult, you can always create a
> calendar event, set it to repeat at the given times and then set an alert .
> Marie
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Donald Raikes
> Subject: Re: setting recurring reminders
>
> 1) Bring up a list and then double tap on new reminder at the bottom.
>
> 2) Double tap on the time button.
>
> 3) Double tap on custom, and repeat will be one of the options.
>
>
> On 10/15/19 10:38 PM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>> I looked at the updated reminders app, but couldn't figure out how to
>> set an occurrance.  Maybe I will use seri to set one up and then look
>> at how it is configured :)
>>
>> On 10/15/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> If you are on iOS 13, take a good look at the updated Reminders app.
>>> You can set them with Siri, but take some time going through the app's
>>> options.
>>> You can get rather creative on setting up reoccurring reminders.
>>> If on iOS 12, the Reminders will still work, or just set reoccurring
>>> appointments on the calendar and set an alarm sound for the time of the
>>> event.
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
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>>> Jane
>>> Wagner
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What is the best app to use for setting recurring reminders.  For
>>> example, each week on friday afternoon, I need to file a status report
>>> by 3:00pm, or each day at 11:30 I need to spend half an hour working
>>> on a particular presentation.
>>>
>>> I want my phone to alert me, but not have to do anything special to
>>> have the reminder recur after the specified interval.
>>>
>>> Any tips would be appreciated,
>>>
>>> Donald
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A Question to VoiceOver Uber Riders

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

The other day I scheduled an on-demand ride with Uber using iOS 13.x on my 8
Plus.

Try as I may, I could not get VoiceOver to read the estimated time of
pick-up, even though it was clearly being updated on the screen.  For
example, the display was saying 5 minutes away, 3 minutes, away, etc.

Question:  Am I missing something?  Can VoiceOver not read this area of the
display?  If not, it is quite a shame.

Perhaps there is an Apple Watch complication that will update as the car
gets closer to the pickup location?

Question 2:
Has anyone been able to schedule a ride, in advance, say 2 hours in the
future, using the Uber app for iOS?  

I have read, on the Uber website that this is a feature of the app but, try
as I may, I cannot get the feature to display, either with or without
VoiceOver being enabled.The only way, so far, that I can even see the
feature is to logon to the Uber website, itself; and I have no intention of
using the website to schedule rides, if I can avoid it.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.

[Jim Fettgather]

The mail appworks more consistently, and  this update has also
addressed the difficulty of locating the status bar as well.
Thanks.

On 10/16/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> The navigating messages thread is a Voiceover feature.
> I have only made a few calls, but so far Voiceover and sounds have not gone
> away, either. As far as whether you should update or not that isn't even a
> question you should consider, at this point you should always update to any
> new iOS 13 release. Yes, there is always a chance Apple could introduce a
> major new bug and you could wait a day or so because if they did you'd hear
> about it almost immediately on this list, but the chances of that are fairly
> small and there is a much bigger likelihood existing bugs are getting
> fixed.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Carolyn Arnold
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>
> What about VoiceOver?
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> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.
>
> I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I think;
> fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed.
> I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test more.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
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> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
> Wagner
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>
>
>   On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith  
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>   
>
>   Ios 13.1.3 is now available for download. I don’t know what has been 
> fixed
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Re: No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group

[Shirley Baker]

I did until yesterday.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Dave  wrote:
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> I've never seen my own posts, i send to this group.
> 
> Dave.
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> -Original Message- From: Shirley Baker
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> I am no longer receiving the mail I send to this group. Did that change?
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Re: No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group

[Dave]

I've never seen my own posts, i send to this group.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Shirley Baker

Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group


I am no longer receiving the mail I send to this group. Did that change?


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: iPad OS BT battery level

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Adrienne,

You can have the Today screen on the first iPad home screen all the time, or 
set it to only come up when you swipe right with three fingers on the first 
home screen. You may need to add bAtteries to the Today screen, though. When 
you have that screen active, choose Edit if Batteries isn't listed, find 
Batteries, and double-tap the Add bAtteries button to add it.

I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna


> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:48 AM, 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I’ve not had an iPad long, but I was wanting to check the battery level on my 
> Magic Keyboard and thought I could do this the same way as on the iPhone, 
> i.e. swipe right with three fingers from the home screen. However, this 
> doesn’t work. How do I find this?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Adrienne
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No Longer Getting My Messages I Send to This Group

[Shirley Baker]

I am no longer receiving the mail I send to this group. Did that change?


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Speaking Rate on the Rotor

[Shirley Baker]

Carolyn, if speaking rate is not on your rotor, you go to accessibility in 
settings, voiceover, then swipe right until you hear rotor. Once you are there, 
you will find speaking rate and if it doesn't say selected, double tap that and 
then it will be on your rotor or anything else you might want on your rotor, 
you would double tap to select that.

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RE: iTunes Backups

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And even if you access your Apple account from a PC you can choose to “trust” 
the PC or browser the first time you use it and afterwards it will not ask for 
2-factor authentication on that computer/browser combination.
A lot of people hate 2-factor authentication, but as Anna said, it’s definitely 
the way to go with respect to security in today’s world of ransomware attacks 
and such.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:49 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: ITunes Backups

Hi Vicki,

No. Once it's set up, you only have to enter a code occasionally, such as if 
you get a new device.

Best,
Anna





On Oct 15, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Vicki W. 
mailto:vwher...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I'm not exactly sure how it works. Do I have to get beyond it every time I use 
my phone?

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: Anna Dresner
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: ITunes Backups

Hi Vicki,

I would suggest setting up two-factor authentication. It's a lot more secure 
than previous methods, and it's not intrusive once it's set up.

Best,
Anna





On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:39 PM, Vicki W. 
mailto:vwher...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I'm looking for a way to back up everything, including my messages, without 
using 2 factor authentication on my phone.

I was hoping that ITunes backup might do the trick since ICloud does not.

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:15 AM
Subject: RE: ITunes Backups

Is there a reason why you can’t do an encrypted iTunes backup?
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ITunes Backups
Mine doesn't, at least with ICloud. Every time I try I get the message that it 
cannot back up messages because I'm not using 2 factor authentication.
I'm wondering if there is a way to back up or copy my messages to dropbox or my 
computer from my phone?
Vicki
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: ITunes Backups
Encrypted iTunes backups and I believe iCloud backups also do include text 
messages.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 3:32 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: ITunes Backups
Hi Vicki,
My understanding is that an encrypted iTunes backup includes exactly the same 
information as an iCloud backup, so I don't think your messages would be backed 
up. I would suggest checking with Apple to be sure, though.
Best,
Anna
On Oct 14, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Vicki W. 
mailto:vwher...@comcast.net>> wrote:
Another question I have is concerning backing up my messages. With the way I 
have my security set up, I can't back up my messages with ICloud, but it's my 
understanding that I can if I use ITunes. Is that true?
Vicki
- Original Message -
From: Anna Dresner
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: ITunes Backups
Hi Vicki,
You shouldn't have trouble restoring a backup from an older operating system to 
a newer one. The problem would be if your new device were running an older 
operating system.
I would set up iCloud backups and restore from that. It's simpler, and either 
way, the apps are downloaded from Apple's servers. Just go to Settings, choose 
the Apple ID setting near the top that has your name, and make sure iCloud 
Backup is on. Then a backup will happen automatically every 24 hours or so, 
when your device is on and connected to wi-Fi and power. There's also a Back Up 
Now button you can use to back up the device at any time.
Then when you get your new device, choose to restore from an iCloud backup. It 
will give you the choice of using your most recent backup.
Best,
Anna
On Oct 12, 2019, at 5:48 PM, Vicki W. 
mailto:vwher...@comcast.net>> wrote:
I have a somewhat detailed question on backing up and restoring a mini IPAD II 
to a Mini IPad 5 and or an older IPhone which cannot be updated beyond IOS 12 
to a newer phone with IOS 13.
First of all, what version of ITunes is best to use? I have both Windows 7 and 
10 with JAWS 2019 or 2020 beta.
Next, what are the steps for making a backup copy of my mini IPad II or older 
phone?
Third, how can I transfer this to the new Mini IPad 5 or newer phone?
The problem, I believe, is going to show up in the transfer. I will be trying 
to put a different IOS version from 

RE: Backing up Voicedream

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am 99.9% certain, that an encrypted iTunes backup will not backup your Voice 
Dream library, that is what iCloud sync is for.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Backing up Voicedream

I'm not sure if it compresses them. Apple could answer that, or maybe someone 
here knows.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner



On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:32 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
 I have done an encrypted backup. Does it compress the files to make them 
smaller?

I have emailed them but unfortunately I haven't gotten a response.
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:08 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Well, it might if you do an encrypted backup.
But, I'd probably do both, sync with iCloud in Voice Dream and do an encrypted 
backup; but first, I'd write the developer to see what he says.
wins...@voicedream.com




Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 4:49 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If you do an entire iTunes backup (not just backing up VoiceDream), will 
VoiceDream back up its library that way? When I did my last backup, the size 
iTunes reported was smaller than the size of my library, which uses the most 
space.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If you open voice dream reader and go into settings, you will see something 
called cloud sink. Double tap that and turn it on. That should back up your 
entire library to iCloud. So if you get another phone, you should be able to 
get your voice stream library back when you do a restore from iCloud back up 
and open voice dream reader.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2019, at 4:37 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is there a way to backup my VoiceDream Library to iCloud? I have tried in the 
files app, but I get a message saying "couldn't connect to helper application". 
I've also been getting an error message when backing up with iTunes.

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Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Thanks for that tip.  I did turn my orientation lock to on.  I've
still got a lot to learn about the iPhone.  I've never used the
control center before.

On 10/16/19, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> Carolyn, if you want to adjust your speed, turn two fingers on your screen
> until you hear your phone say speed and then you just flick up to either
> make it faster or slower or down. If you're not sure something is in your
> rotor, just go to settings and then to rotor and when you see something you
> want on the rotor, just double tap that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I guess the Rotor is my next challenge. I just don't quite get how to use
>> it. I tried to adjust my speech rate to 56 percent, as 50 is a little
>> slow, but 60 fast for me taste. It's still 50. Then, too, I don't want it
>> coming up half the time when I'm in the middle of something changing
>> speech rate up or down, whenever I flick.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>
>> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it
>> maybe have not yet understood its use and learned how to take advantage of
>> it.
>>
>> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is vertical
>> navigation which is very different.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Feliciano Godoy
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one implemented on
>> iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right hand side edge of
>> the screen.
>>
>> Feliciano
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the
>> rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that its
>> been moved and made a main part of the screen?
>>
>>
>>
>>**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the
>> learning start?***
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Anna Dresner 
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
>>To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>>Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Carolyn,
>>
>>
>>
>>YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the
>> page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells
>> you where you are on the page.
>>
>>
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Anna
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold
>> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
>>
>>> any of you Beta people have any idea?
>>
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Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Shirley Baker]

Carolyn, if you want to adjust your speed, turn two fingers on your screen 
until you hear your phone say speed and then you just flick up to either make 
it faster or slower or down. If you're not sure something is in your rotor, 
just go to settings and then to rotor and when you see something you want on 
the rotor, just double tap that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I guess the Rotor is my next challenge. I just don't quite get how to use 
> it. I tried to adjust my speech rate to 56 percent, as 50 is a little slow, 
> but 60 fast for me taste. It's still 50. Then, too, I don't want it coming up 
> half the time when I'm in the middle of something changing speech rate up or 
> down, whenever I flick. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
> 
> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it maybe 
> have not yet understood its use and learned how to take advantage of it.
> 
> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is vertical 
> navigation which is very different.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Feliciano Godoy
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
> 
> 
> 
> Robert, 
> 
> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one implemented on 
> iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right hand side edge of the 
> screen.
> 
> Feliciano 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> who do. -Steve Jobs 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the 
> rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that its 
> been moved and made a main part of the screen?
> 
> 
> 
>**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
> learning start?*** 
> 
> 
> 
>From: Anna Dresner  
>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
>To: VIPhone Mailing List  
>Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
> 
> 
> 
>Hi Carolyn,
> 
> 
> 
>YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the 
> page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you 
> where you are on the page.
> 
> 
> 
>Best,
> 
>Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
> 
>> any of you Beta people have any idea? 
> 
>> 
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Re: setting recurring reminders

[Marie]

If you are finding the reminder app too difficult, you can always create a 
calendar event, set it to repeat at the given times and then set an alert .

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Donald Raikes
Subject: Re: setting recurring reminders

1) Bring up a list and then double tap on new reminder at the bottom.

2) Double tap on the time button.

3) Double tap on custom, and repeat will be one of the options.


On 10/15/19 10:38 PM, Donald Raikes wrote:

I looked at the updated reminders app, but couldn't figure out how to
set an occurrance.  Maybe I will use seri to set one up and then look
at how it is configured :)

On 10/15/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

If you are on iOS 13, take a good look at the updated Reminders app.
You can set them with Siri, but take some time going through the app's
options.
You can get rather creative on setting up reoccurring reminders.
If on iOS 12, the Reminders will still work, or just set reoccurring
appointments on the calendar and set an alarm sound for the time of the
event.
HTH,




Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:

Hi,

What is the best app to use for setting recurring reminders.  For
example, each week on friday afternoon, I need to file a status report
by 3:00pm, or each day at 11:30 I need to spend half an hour working
on a particular presentation.

I want my phone to alert me, but not have to do anything special to
have the reminder recur after the specified interval.

Any tips would be appreciated,

Donald

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RE: either I killed the calendar or its icon

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just check your other pages, it may simply have ended up on page 2 or, if you 
have other folders, it may have accidently ended up in one of them although 
that is less likely.
If it’s on page 2 simply move it back to the place on page 1 where you want it.

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: either I killed the calendar or its icon

While I was trying to disappear that productivity folder, The calendar appears 
to have gone with it. Either that or its icon. The calendar normally shows up 
on page one but it is no longer there. Any way to get that back?
Ray T. Mahorney
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either I killed the calendar or its icon

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

While I was trying to disappear that productivity folder, The calendar appears 
to have gone with it. Either that or its icon. The calendar normally shows up 
on page one but it is no longer there. Any way to get that back?
Ray T. Mahorney
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RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The navigating messages thread is a Voiceover feature.
I have only made a few calls, but so far Voiceover and sounds have not gone 
away, either. As far as whether you should update or not that isn't even a 
question you should consider, at this point you should always update to any new 
iOS 13 release. Yes, there is always a chance Apple could introduce a major new 
bug and you could wait a day or so because if they did you'd hear about it 
almost immediately on this list, but the chances of that are fairly small and 
there is a much bigger likelihood existing bugs are getting fixed.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.

What about VoiceOver? 

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Subject: Re: IOS 13.1.3 released.

I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I think; 
fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed. 
I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test more.




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On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith  
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Ios 13.1.3 is now available for download. I don’t know what has been 
fixed or not fixed with VoiceOver. I am currently running iOS 13.2 beta. 

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Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

8 plus running the most IOS 13.3 I believe. I ended up using both hands to get 
into the control center. The first mistake I made was to hold down a status bar 
item while swiping up with the three fingers on the right hand. After several 
attempts at this I got no where. It was suggested that I touch the status bar 
item and swipe at the same time which required one finger on one hand and the 
other fingers of the other hand but that worked. Unfortunately, at this point, 
using a hardware keyboard to get to the control center is a non starter.

From: Robert Wright 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 06:00
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

Ray, can you tell me which phone you have and which iOS you are running. Also, 
can you give me step by step what you did to open the control center?

 

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

 

Actually, no it doesn't. 

That is different.

If you call Apple Accessibility and they want to do a screen share, they will 
send you a notification that you accept, and then double tap on agree, and now 
they can see your screen and tell you what to do.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

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  On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

   

  ah doing a screen share requires me to get into the control center which I 
can not do reliably.

   

  From: Richard Turner 

  Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 15:56

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

   

  You will have to drag files out of the folder until it disappears. 

  If there are just two apps in it, dragging one out should do the trick.

  You could call Apple Accessibility and do a screen share with them so they 
could direct you through the process if you are not sure how to do that.

   

   

   

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On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
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So I still have neither the dexterity nor coordination to get into the 
control center reliably and the hardware keyboard shortcut doesn’t work. While 
trying to get into the control center, I inadvertently created a productivity 
folder. How do I go about removing that?
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA

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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That would of course work for deleting a contact because if you use the 
scrollbar to scroll all the way to 100% you are essentially doing what several 
3-finger swipes up the screen would do except it's easier.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Yes, it does tell, and one time, when, for some reason I had a time getting to 
deleting a contact, I just scrolled to 100 percent, and that worked - just 
something else to get used to. 

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Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Hi Carolyn,

YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the page, 
or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you where you 
are on the page.

Best,
Anna




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> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do any of you 
> Beta people have any idea?
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RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don’t use the keyboard a lot except for when I am already in an email and I 
want to type a longer message, but I just tried and as long as focus is in the 
status bar, pressing the Options Key (Windows key on a PC keyboard) and the 
down arrow reliably opens control centre for me, pressing it with the up arrow 
opens Notification Centre.
Normally VO Key + M is supposed to put you in the status bar, but that doesn’t 
currently work in iOS 13. Once it is fixed VO Key + M followed by Options + 
Down Arrow should open the control centre and if you are still on iOS 12 that 
should work.


From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

understood. Well I figured out what I was doing wrong while trying to get into 
the control center. The mistake I was making was to keep one finger on a status 
bar item while swiping. That did not work I found after several hours of 
frustration.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 19:11
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

Actually, no it doesn't.
That is different.
If you call Apple Accessibility and they want to do a screen share, they will 
send you a notification that you accept, and then double tap on agree, and now 
they can see your screen and tell you what to do.
HTH,



Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

ah doing a screen share requires me to get into the control center which I can 
not do reliably.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

You will have to drag files out of the folder until it disappears.
If there are just two apps in it, dragging one out should do the trick.
You could call Apple Accessibility and do a screen share with them so they 
could direct you through the process if you are not sure how to do that.



Richard
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So I still have neither the dexterity nor coordination to get into the control 
center reliably and the hardware keyboard shortcut doesn’t work. While trying 
to get into the control center, I inadvertently created a productivity folder. 
How do I go about removing that?
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Joshua, Landscape easy fix, just give your phone a quick right turn. I guess 
you could do left, but I just always do right, even showed sighted hubby that 
one. 

-Original Message-
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Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

I hate when my iPhone gets into landscape mode.  Are you saying that with IOS 
13 you won't have any choice but to swipe up or down on your screen instead of 
from left to wright.  Having to swipe up and down on my iPhone screen just 
doesn't feel natural to me.

On 10/16/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it 
> maybe have not yet understood its use and learned how to take 
> advantage of it.
> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is 
> vertical navigation which is very different.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Feliciano Godoy
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
> Robert,
> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one 
> implemented on iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right 
> hand side edge of the screen.
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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright 
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> I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the 
> rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that 
> its been moved and made a main part of the screen?
>
> **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does 
> the learning start?***
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> From: Anna Dresner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
> Hi Carolyn,
>
> YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through 
> the page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also 
> tells you where you are on the page.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>
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>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I guess the Rotor is my next challenge. I just don't quite get how to use it. I 
tried to adjust my speech rate to 56 percent, as 50 is a little slow, but 60 
fast for me taste. It's still 50. Then, too, I don't want it coming up half the 
time when I'm in the middle of something changing speech rate up or down, 
whenever I flick. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it maybe 
have not yet understood its use and learned how to take advantage of it.

What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is vertical 
navigation which is very different.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

 

Robert, 

The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one implemented on iOS 
13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right hand side edge of the screen.

Feliciano 

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On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright  
wrote:

 

I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the 
rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that its been 
moved and made a main part of the screen?

 

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?*** 

 

From: Anna Dresner  
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List  
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

 

Hi Carolyn,

 

YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the 
page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you 
where you are on the page.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 

 

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

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> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do

> any of you Beta people have any idea? 

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RE: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

[Carolyn Arnold]

I finally did too, although I am a one not to even try to find a bottom post. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

I normally don't try to find messages that are bottom posted, but I looked at a 
couple of Wayne's emails yesterday and never even found anything at the end of 
his messages.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vivian 
Conger
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

Wayne,

Your responses are ending up at the bottom of the thread and not up with your 
signature.

Vivian and Sallie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Scott
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly



Wayne Scott "Everything happens in God's chime."


On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Vivian Conger  wrote:

Wayne,

Not sure if others are having this issue but your last 4 messages didn't 
seem to have your message except your signature.

Vivian and Sallie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Wayne Scott
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly



Wayne Scott "Everything happens in God's chime."


On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:

How exactly do you check battery health? When I go into battery, I see that 
I can check activity for the past 24 hours or the past 10 days, and I can 
read the percentage of battery used by each app, but not the specific figure 
that says what my battery capacity is. The last time I checked it was when I 
did a screen share with apple, which told me I was at 90% after having this 
battery for about two years.

On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Ron Pelletier  
wrote:

Kelby,

How long have you had the lightning cable? Before going to the extreme of 
changing the battery, I would try to borrow a lightning cable from friend or 
family member and try it like that. Sometimes, cables are intermittent

Ron & Danvers

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:14 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:

In the last week or so, my phone's battery has been behaving extremely 
oddly. When not charging, the battery drains very quickly; it can often lose 
at least 5% in a couple of minutes. Conversely, when I have it plugged in, 
it charges very slowly, maybe 1% every five minutes or so. It is an iPhone 7 
that is a little more than 2 years old. I'm not running iOS 13 yet because 
of the bug with ending calls and losing speech. I don't think it can be a 
problem with the lightning port, because it does charge when plugged in the 
wall and a computer. However, if I am doing something like uploading to 
iCloud, it can actually drain even while plugged in. When I check the 
battery health, it is at 84%. Is it time for a battery replacement?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Carolyn Arnold]

But, sometimes, it is just there, and it is use it or close app. 

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Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 6:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Just don’t use it and, work around it.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:48 PM, Viola  wrote:
>
> I personally hate it! it makes my screens too cluttered. I wish there 
> were a way to have it or not.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Feliciano Godoy
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 6:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
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> HI,
> In my opinion, the implementation of the vertical scroll bar is great! 
> There are many occasions where I use it to scroll through pages to 
> find what I am looking for rather than having to scroll up/ down with 
> three fingers.
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RE: IOS 13.1.3 released.

[Carolyn Arnold]

What about VoiceOver? 

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Richard Turner
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I have an iPhone 8 plus for work that I just updated to 13.1.3 and I think; 
fingers crossed, the navigating message threads might be fixed. 
I only had one thread I could test quickly, so I hope others can test more.




Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 3:58 PM, Larry Smith  
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Ios 13.1.3 is now available for download. I don’t know what has been 
fixed or not fixed with VoiceOver. I am currently running iOS 13.2 beta. 

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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Yes, it does tell, and one time, when, for some reason I had a time getting to 
deleting a contact, I just scrolled to 100 percent, and that worked - just 
something else to get used to. 

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Hi Carolyn,

YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the page, 
or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you where you 
are on the page.

Best,
Anna




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iPad OS BT battery level

['ChalmersAS' via VIPhone]

Hi

I’ve not had an iPad long, but I was wanting to check the battery level on my 
Magic Keyboard and thought I could do this the same way as on the iPhone, i.e. 
swipe right with three fingers from the home screen. However, this doesn’t 
work. How do I find this?

Regards

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Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

[kelby carlson]

The other thing I'm wondering is if some recent updates to apps that are 
compatible with iOS 13 might be draining the battery quickly without me knowing 
it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 4 hours of running Soundscape and the battery going from 100% to 75% would 
> certainly not surprise nor alarm me.
> If you think something is wrong you may have to try and visit an Apple Store 
> and get them to check your phone, I believe they can even do certain 
> diagnostics if you call Apple phone support.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
> Raikes
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly
> 
> For what it's worth, I have been having the same problem with the rapid drain 
> and slow charge of the battery on my iPhone 8.  After resetting the network 
> and rebooting the phone it was still happening.
> 
> After turning off battery optimization as was suggested earlier in this 
> thread,  the battery charged from 60% to 100% in about an hour, and then was 
> down to 75% after 4 hours of being unplugged. However during a lot of that 
> time Microsoft SoundScape was running so I could get information on where I 
> was walking.
> 
> This is opposed to draining from 100% to 60% in about 3 hours of letting the 
> phone sit on my desk not doing anything.
> 
>> On 10/15/19, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>> Hi Wayne,
>> There is nothing on your email accept your name. My friend had the 
>> same issue with his gmail account on his iPhone. When he sent messages 
>> there was nothing being sent even though voice over on his end read 
>> that what he had dictated was there but when the message was sent 
>> there is nothing in the email.
>> Mr. Ed
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Wayne Scott
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Wayne Scott "Everything happens in God's chime."
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you rebooted the phone and, if that didn't help, tried a Reset 
>> Network Settings?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> kelby carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly
>> 
>> In the last week or so, my phone's battery has been behaving extremely 
>> oddly. When not charging, the battery drains very quickly; it can 
>> often lose at least 5% in a couple of minutes. Conversely, when I have 
>> it plugged in, it charges very slowly, maybe 1% every five minutes or 
>> so. It is an iPhone 7 that is a little more than 2 years old. I'm not 
>> running iOS 13 yet because of the bug with ending calls and losing 
>> speech. I don't think it can be a problem with the lightning port, 
>> because it does charge when plugged in the wall and a computer. 
>> However, if I am doing something like uploading to iCloud, it can 
>> actually drain even while plugged in. When I check the battery health, it is 
>> at 84%. Is it time for a battery replacement?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Joshua,

The scrollbar and vertical navigation both don't really have anything to do 
with landscape mode. If you don't like it when  your phone goes into landscape 
mode why don't you simply touch the status bar, then touch the screen with 3 
fingers and swipe up to bring up the control centre, find the Orientation lock 
and toggle it to on. This will lock your phone in portrait mode with the 
exception for a very few apps which basically require landscape mode like when 
you start to play a movie or TV show on Netflix.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

I hate when my iPhone gets into landscape mode.  Are you saying that with IOS 
13 you won't have any choice but to swipe up or down on your screen instead of 
from left to wright.  Having to swipe up and down on my iPhone screen just 
doesn't feel natural to me.

On 10/16/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it 
> maybe have not yet understood its use and learned how to take advantage of it.
> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is 
> vertical navigation which is very different.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Feliciano Godoy
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
> Robert,
> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one 
> implemented on iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right 
> hand side edge of the screen.
> Feliciano
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>
>
> On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright 
> wrote:
> 
> I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the 
> rotor if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that 
> its been moved and made a main part of the screen?
>
> **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does 
> the learning start?***
>
> From: Anna Dresner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
> Hi Carolyn,
>
> YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through 
> the page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also 
> tells you where you are on the page.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold 
>> <4carol...@windstream.net>
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>> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do any of you 
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Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I hate when my iPhone gets into landscape mode.  Are you saying that
with IOS 13 you won't have any choice but to swipe up or down on your
screen instead of from left to wright.  Having to swipe up and down on
my iPhone screen just doesn't feel natural to me.

On 10/16/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it maybe
> have not yet understood its use and learned how to take advantage of it.
> What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is vertical
> navigation which is very different.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Feliciano Godoy
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
> Robert,
> The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one implemented on
> iOS 13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right hand side edge of the
> screen.
> Feliciano
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>
>
> On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright 
> wrote:
> 
> I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the rotor
> if you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that its been
> moved and made a main part of the screen?
>
> **If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the
> learning start?***
>
> From: Anna Dresner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.
>
> Hi Carolyn,
>
> YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the
> page, or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you
> where you are on the page.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
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>> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
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RE: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

[Sieghard Weitzel]

4 hours of running Soundscape and the battery going from 100% to 75% would 
certainly not surprise nor alarm me.
If you think something is wrong you may have to try and visit an Apple Store 
and get them to check your phone, I believe they can even do certain 
diagnostics if you call Apple phone support.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
Raikes
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

For what it's worth, I have been having the same problem with the rapid drain 
and slow charge of the battery on my iPhone 8.  After resetting the network and 
rebooting the phone it was still happening.

After turning off battery optimization as was suggested earlier in this thread, 
 the battery charged from 60% to 100% in about an hour, and then was down to 
75% after 4 hours of being unplugged. However during a lot of that time 
Microsoft SoundScape was running so I could get information on where I was 
walking.

This is opposed to draining from 100% to 60% in about 3 hours of letting the 
phone sit on my desk not doing anything.

On 10/15/19, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
> There is nothing on your email accept your name. My friend had the 
> same issue with his gmail account on his iPhone. When he sent messages 
> there was nothing being sent even though voice over on his end read 
> that what he had dictated was there but when the message was sent 
> there is nothing in the email.
> Mr. Ed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Wayne Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly
>
>
>
> Wayne Scott "Everything happens in God's chime."
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Have you rebooted the phone and, if that didn't help, tried a Reset 
> Network Settings?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> kelby carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly
>
> In the last week or so, my phone's battery has been behaving extremely 
> oddly. When not charging, the battery drains very quickly; it can 
> often lose at least 5% in a couple of minutes. Conversely, when I have 
> it plugged in, it charges very slowly, maybe 1% every five minutes or 
> so. It is an iPhone 7 that is a little more than 2 years old. I'm not 
> running iOS 13 yet because of the bug with ending calls and losing 
> speech. I don't think it can be a problem with the lightning port, 
> because it does charge when plugged in the wall and a computer. 
> However, if I am doing something like uploading to iCloud, it can 
> actually drain even while plugged in. When I check the battery health, it is 
> at 84%. Is it time for a battery replacement?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I also think this is a well done feature and I think those who hate it maybe 
have not yet understood its use and learned how to take advantage of it.
What Robert refers to as having always been part of the rotor is vertical 
navigation which is very different.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Robert,
The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one implemented on iOS 
13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right hand side edge of the screen.
Feliciano
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On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright  wrote:

I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the rotor if 
you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that its been moved and 
made a main part of the screen?

**If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the 
learning start?***

From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Hi Carolyn,

YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the page, 
or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you where you 
are on the page.

Best,
Anna




> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
> any of you Beta people have any idea?
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RE: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers

[R Van Lant]

I have Chirp installed and the app is accessible.  I haven't listened to more 
than a minute of a book, but find the app really simple so far.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers

Hello Mark. I know the e mail that you are talking about chirp and also the 
books that they offer. I should point out that this seems to be only for people 
who live in the US and so if people live out side of the US like in Canada I am 
ot shure if you are able to pay for the books or not. I have not used the app 
but do get the news letter. I also feel that wile the books and stuff are good 
discounts it would be nice if they were offerd in Canadion as well since wile 
they might be a good discount in USD not so in CAD. From Mich.

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Sent: October 13, 2019 3:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Question for All of You Audio Book Lovers

Hello Everyone,

There is an audio book discount service called Chirp Books.com.  

I receive a daily email containing recommended audio books that I have found to 
be excellent.  Now, generally speaking, I learn about books from this service, 
then either download them from Apple Books, Audible, BARD or Over Drive.  

There website is fully screen reader accessible and they do have an app for iOS 
in which one can purchase the titles, at the discounted price.  

Question, has anyone ever actually used the Chirp Books app, with VoiceOver to 
download and listen to purchased titles?  

Mark

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RE: Address for Apple Card?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apple offers their Apple Card credit card through a partnership with Goldman 
Sachs and it is currently exclusive to the US. While Apple Pay is available I 
believe in about 40 countries, it is unknown when the Apple Card will be 
offered in other countries, but I assume based on how Apple Pay was rolled out 
that such other countries will probably first include the UK, Australia, New 
Zealand and maybe Canada at some point. This would all depend with what sort of 
arrangements Apple makes with banks/credit card providers in other countries.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:43 AM
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Subject: Address for Apple Card?

Hi, list.
Does Apple Card accept US addresses only? Would it accept a non-US address too?
Thanks!

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RE: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I normally don't try to find messages that are bottom posted, but I looked at a 
couple of Wayne's emails yesterday and never even found anything at the end of 
his messages.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vivian 
Conger
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

Wayne,

Your responses are ending up at the bottom of the thread and not up with your 
signature.

Vivian and Sallie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Scott
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly



Wayne Scott "Everything happens in God's chime." 
 

On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Vivian Conger  wrote:

Wayne,

Not sure if others are having this issue but your last 4 messages didn't seem 
to have your message except your signature.

Vivian and Sallie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Scott
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly



Wayne Scott "Everything happens in God's chime." 


On Oct 15, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:

How exactly do you check battery health? When I go into battery, I see that I 
can check activity for the past 24 hours or the past 10 days, and I can read 
the percentage of battery used by each app, but not the specific figure that 
says what my battery capacity is. The last time I checked it was when I did a 
screen share with apple, which told me I was at 90% after having this battery 
for about two years.

On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:

Kelby,

How long have you had the lightning cable? Before going to the extreme of 
changing the battery, I would try to borrow a lightning cable from friend or 
family member and try it like that. Sometimes, cables are intermittent

Ron & Danvers

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:14 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:

In the last week or so, my phone's battery has been behaving extremely oddly. 
When not charging, the battery drains very quickly; it can often lose at least 
5% in a couple of minutes. Conversely, when I have it plugged in, it charges 
very slowly, maybe 1% every five minutes or so. It is an iPhone 7 that is a 
little more than 2 years old. I'm not running iOS 13 yet because of the bug 
with ending calls and losing speech. I don't think it can be a problem with the 
lightning port, because it does charge when plugged in the wall and a computer. 
However, if I am doing something like uploading to iCloud, it can actually 
drain even while plugged in. When I check the battery health, it is at 84%. Is 
it time for a battery replacement?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Feliciano Godoy]

Robert,
The vertical scrollbar that is being referred to is the one implemented on iOS 
13. The vertical scrollbar is located on the right hand side edge of the screen.

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On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:04 AM, Robert Wright  wrote:


I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the rotor if 
you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that its been moved and 
made a main part of the screen?

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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Hi Carolyn,

YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the page, 
or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you where you 
are on the page.

Best,
Anna




> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
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> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
> any of you Beta people have any idea?
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Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly

[kelby carlson]

I am not running iOS 13 yet, so unfortunately I cannot turn battery 
optimization off. I think the battery case I tested last week may have damaged 
the battery somehow, but I don't know how and I certainly don't know the way of 
fixing it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:40 PM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, I have been having the same problem with the
> rapid drain and slow charge of the battery on my iPhone 8.  After
> resetting the network and rebooting the phone it was still happening.
> 
> After turning off battery optimization as was suggested earlier in
> this thread,  the battery charged from 60% to 100% in about an hour,
> and then was down to 75% after 4 hours of being unplugged. However
> during a lot of that time Microsoft SoundScape was running so I could
> get information on where I was walking.
> 
> This is opposed to draining from 100% to 60% in about 3 hours of
> letting the phone sit on my desk not doing anything.
> 
>> On 10/15/19, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>> Hi Wayne,
>> There is nothing on your email accept your name. My friend had the same
>> issue with his gmail account on his iPhone. When he sent messages there was
>> nothing being sent even though voice over on his end read that what he had
>> dictated was there but when the message was sent there is nothing in the
>> email.
>> Mr. Ed
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Wayne Scott
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Wayne Scott "Everything happens in God's chime."
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you rebooted the phone and, if that didn't help, tried a Reset Network
>> Settings?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby
>> carlson
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 7:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Battery Draining Fast and Charging Slowly
>> 
>> In the last week or so, my phone's battery has been behaving extremely
>> oddly. When not charging, the battery drains very quickly; it can often lose
>> at least 5% in a couple of minutes. Conversely, when I have it plugged in,
>> it charges very slowly, maybe 1% every five minutes or so. It is an iPhone 7
>> that is a little more than 2 years old. I'm not running iOS 13 yet because
>> of the bug with ending calls and losing speech. I don't think it can be a
>> problem with the lightning port, because it does charge when plugged in the
>> wall and a computer. However, if I am doing something like uploading to
>> iCloud, it can actually drain even while plugged in. When I check the
>> battery health, it is at 84%. Is it time for a battery replacement?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Anthony Vece]

Just don’t use it and, work around it.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:48 PM, Viola  wrote:
> 
> I personally hate it! it makes my screens too cluttered. I wish there were a 
> way to have it or not.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Feliciano Godoy
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 6:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
> 
> HI,
> In my opinion, the implementation of the vertical scroll bar is great! There 
> are many occasions where I use it to scroll through pages to find what I am 
> looking for rather than having to scroll up/ down with three fingers.
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Re: feedback

[Richard Turner]

You can go to www.apple.com/feedback
and fill out their form.
You can also write to accessibil...@apple.com
I'd do both.
HTH,




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On Oct 16, 2019, at 3:07 AM, Robert Wright  wrote:


How do you send feedback if you are not running beta?

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feedback

[Robert Wright]

How do you send feedback if you are not running beta?

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RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[Robert Wright]

I am confused. The verticle scroll bar has always been a apart of the rotor if 
you happened to add it. Are you saying that in the beta that its been moved and 
made a main part of the screen?

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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:35 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

Hi Carolyn,

YOu can use it to navigate a page. Flick up or down to move through the page, 
or double-tap and hold, and then slide your finger. It also tells you where you 
are on the page.

Best,
Anna




> On Oct 15, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Why in the world did they put that thing on the phone? Do
> any of you Beta people have any idea? 
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RE: inadvertently created a productivity folder

[Robert Wright]

Ray, can you tell me which phone you have and which iOS you are running. Also, 
can you give me step by step what you did to open the control center?

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From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder

Actually, no it doesn't. 
That is different.
If you call Apple Accessibility and they want to do a screen share, they will 
send you a notification that you accept, and then double tap on agree, and now 
they can see your screen and tell you what to do.
HTH,



Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
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ah doing a screen share requires me to get into the control center which I can 
not do reliably.
 
From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 15:56
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: inadvertently created a productivity folder
 
You will have to drag files out of the folder until it disappears. 
If there are just two apps in it, dragging one out should do the trick.
You could call Apple Accessibility and do a screen share with them so they 
could direct you through the process if you are not sure how to do that.

 
 
Richard
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
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So I still have neither the dexterity nor coordination to get into the control 
center reliably and the hardware keyboard shortcut doesn’t work. While trying 
to get into the control center, I inadvertently created a productivity folder. 
How do I go about removing that?
Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: Vertical Scroll Bar.

[lenron brown]

they could have and should have made this a toggle.

On 10/15/19, Viola  wrote:
> I personally hate it! it makes my screens too cluttered. I wish there were a
>
> way to have it or not.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Feliciano Godoy
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 6:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vertical Scroll Bar.
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> HI,
> In my opinion, the implementation of the vertical scroll bar is great! There
>
> are many occasions where I use it to scroll through pages to find what I am
>
> looking for rather than having to scroll up/ down with three fingers.
>
> Feliciano
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