Ending a call with side button VoiceOver iOS16

[Shai]

Hello all,
I tried to end a call using the sleep/wake button on my iPhone10r
iOS16 with VoiceOver; however, I noticed that it did not end a call
when pressed. I tried both against my ear and while on speaker phone.
Has anyone gotten this feature to work and if so, how did you do it? I
made sure that prevent lock button from ending call is turned to off
under accessibility/touch.


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Battery life with iOS 16

[Richard Turner]

I updated to iOS 16 a little after 11 AM Pacific time today. It is now 8:42 PM 
and I have been using my 13 pro a lot exploring new settings, voices, features.
I'm now at 60% batjery. I know I have used the phone at least 5 hours, so that 
is pretty surprising in a very good way.



Richard

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RE: New voices iOS 16

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well best text to speech is highly suggestive. I find the Vocalizer Expressive 
voices from Nuance to be the best compromise between responsiveness and human 
sounding quality. These are free with JAWS. I’d suggest taking this to a 
Windows or JAWS list.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of chaim 
biberfeld
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 7:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

I gave up my windows 95/98/2000 using jaws when the iPhone came out. Now I 
bought a computer with windows seven I believe, have tried NVDA, and have given 
Up  in frustration and put it away gathering dust. What would be the best text 
to speech for my old new PC?
Chaim Biberfeld, LCSW-R
Private Practice
917-902-3349

thegototherapist.com


On Sep 12, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was 
using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality voice, 
and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!

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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer 
if you were wondering.
Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: New voices iOS 16

I personally like the following new voices.
Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.






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RE: iOS 15.7 and iOS 16

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you go into software updates, you should see 15.7 at the top, but below 
that, you should see also available and then version 16. You can install 
version 16 without installing 15.7 first.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jessica 
Miller
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 6:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 15.7 and iOS 16

I saw the 15.7 update, but haven't seen 16 yet.  I imagine the servers are 
probably swamped, so I was going to wait a bit for them to calm down anyway.  
Hopefully the update will show up for me in the next few days.

At 04:14 PM 9/12/2022, you wrote:

Yes, that was the case last year. It was a new feature in one of the developer 
betas. You can skip iOS 15 entirely, and just install iOS 16.


On Sep 12, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hello,

When I wanted to update to iOS 16 this morning I was surprised that when I 
checked under Settings > General > Software Update I was first presented with 
an iOS 15.7 update which mentioned security fixes.
I didn't even look further because if I had I would have seen that it then said 
that also available was iOS 16.
I can't remember if this was already the case with iOS 15 last year or if this 
is a new and less forceful approach by Apple to let people know the new version 
of iOS is available but to then let them decide if they want to download and 
install it. Anyways, I did the 15.7 update and then when I checked I saw the 
iOS 16 update which also downloaded and installed quickly and without fuss.


Best regards,
Sieghard


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Re: Side Button Doesn't bring Up Siri After Update to iOS16?

[Anna Dresner]

Hello Fazil,

I assume you’ve already tried restarting, but if you haven’t, I would try that 
first. Then check Siri settings to see if the ability to wake Siri with the 
side button somehow got turned off. Sometimes a setting is accidentally changed 
during an update.

I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 12, 2022, at 7:53 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> In my iPhone12, Side-Button doesn’t evoke Siri since I have updated to iOS16, 
> what should I do?
> Thanks!
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15.7? I thought . . .

[Curtis Delzer]

I thought it'd be version 16.

hmm

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Re: Dealing with QR Codes

[Richard Turner]

The easiest is to go into settings, control center, and make sure Code Scanner 
is in the control center.
Then, when you need to access one of them, open control center and double tap 
on code scanner.
Or, you could go the long way and use the camera which is essentially the same 
thing, but code scanner just gets you there more quickly.
How accessible they are depends on whomever created the data and how they 
formatted it.
Enjoy,





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> On Sep 12, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Jim Portillo  wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> I was recently in a couple situations where friends asked if I could deal 
> with QR codes when it came to things like reading restaurant menus. I guess 
> more and more places are going that way, where people can see the menus by 
> activating a QR code.
> As many years as I’ve owned an iPhone, I’m embarrassed to say that I’ve never 
> played or dealt with QR codes and was wondering from you guys how easy or 
> accessible they were.
> What would be a good QR code app? Would I just use my camera, or are there 
> better ways and apps?
> I’m going on vacation in a few days and from what I understand, a few of the 
> places I’ll be eating at have these sorts of menus
> Frankly, it’s probably good that I learn more about using QR codes anyway.
> Recommendations?
> Jim
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 12!
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Dealing with QR Codes

[Jim Portillo]

Good evening,
I was recently in a couple situations where friends asked if I could deal with 
QR codes when it came to things like reading restaurant menus. I guess more and 
more places are going that way, where people can see the menus by activating a 
QR code.
As many years as I’ve owned an iPhone, I’m embarrassed to say that I’ve never 
played or dealt with QR codes and was wondering from you guys how easy or 
accessible they were.
What would be a good QR code app? Would I just use my camera, or are there 
better ways and apps?
I’m going on vacation in a few days and from what I understand, a few of the 
places I’ll be eating at have these sorts of menus
Frankly, it’s probably good that I learn more about using QR codes anyway.
Recommendations?
Jim


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IOS16 won’t open

[Gerardo Corripio]

Are any of you guys encountering a bug in which the notification doesn’t open? 
I’m either on the locked screen, or in this Mail app, for instance; I go into 
the NOtification screen, look for a notification, double-tap but it won’t open! 
I eon’t know how I’ve done it, but after double-tapping a bunch of times, 
flicking to the left, I see an OPen button, which double-tapping on it, opens 
the notification in question.
Other than this little annoyance, iOS16 is awesome! Eloquence flies!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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Side Button Doesn't bring Up Siri After Update to iOS16?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

In my iPhone12, Side-Button doesn't evoke Siri since I have updated to
iOS16, what should I do?

Thanks!

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Re: New voices iOS 16

[chaim biberfeld]

I gave up my windows 95/98/2000 using jaws when the iPhone came out. Now I 
bought a computer with windows seven I believe, have tried NVDA, and have given 
Up  in frustration and put it away gathering dust. What would be the best text 
to speech for my old new PC? 

Chaim Biberfeld, LCSW-R
Private Practice
917-902-3349

thegototherapist.com 

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I 
> was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality 
> voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>  
> Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
> voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
> read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
> email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
> because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
> emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my 
> computer if you were wondering.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
> To: ViPone list 
> Subject: New voices iOS 16
>  
> I personally like the following new voices.
> Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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Re: New Siri sound

[Julie Dawson]

The new sound is very different. I just set up my new Iphone SE3.

- Original Message - 
From: "Maria Campbell" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: New Siri sound


I don't care for the new sound to invoke Siri, as I have a hearing loss, 
and the sound is too low to hear well, unless the volume is high.



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Re: New voices iOS 16

[Julie Dawson]

Is there a Scottish voice?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Malcolm Parfitt 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16


  What about a voice with a Welsh dialect?  Here in the UK all nations are 
provided for except Wales!


  Malcolm Parfitt


On 12 Sep 2022, at 23:13, CHELA Robles  wrote:


Well, sometimes I like hearing the higher quality voices too, and 
sometimes having Siri be my voice of Joyce. I like your voice three American. 
when it comes to Siri, of course :-) it is great that Apple took into 
consideration various options for several peoples suggestions. It’s great to 
have more than one voice. Now I have to set up my Apple Watch. It just booted 
up with watchOS 9. but oh, so many voices to choose from I do like the Scottish 
voice I may from time to time use it. but I do use the Irish voice in March. 
Why well you know when Saint Paddy‘s day comes along I like to hear the Irish 
accent. I don’t care for Moira much, but I do like the Siri Irish voices. I 
wish they had a series, Scottish voice, or a set of male and female Scottish 
Siri voices that be cool.


Sent from my iPhone


  On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
wrote:


   
  Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when 
I was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality 
voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!



  --

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  Chaltain at Outlook



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16



  Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer 
if you were wondering.

  Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
 wrote:

 

I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium 
version!



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: New voices iOS 16



I personally like the following new voices.

Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.













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little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

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Re: New voices iOS 16

[Julie Dawson]

I would love that and a Scottish one is there one on the IOS16?
- Original Message - 
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16


For Welch, try Ivona Garet or Gwinith.

On 9/12/22, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:

Hello Lana,

I don’t know where you are in the world but I come from a town in Wales
called Tredegar.

We have a dialect that some call Wenglish which is an amalgamation of
English and residual Welsh.

It is not uncommon for someone to say something like: “I’ll do it now in a
minute” while this makes no sense in a literal sense we know exactly what 
is

meant.

Malcolm Parfitt


On 13 Sep 2022, at 00:03, Lana  wrote:



I would love that. There are some novels with a Welsh and or Arthurian
setting which cry for a Welsh reader. Then someone could pronounce some 
of

those names properly.

On 9/12/2022 4:36 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote:


What about a voice with a Welsh dialect? Here in the UK all nations are
provided for except Wales!

Malcolm Parfitt


On 12 Sep 2022, at 23:13, CHELA Robles  wrote:

 Well, sometimes I like hearing the higher quality voices too, and
sometimes having Siri be my voice of Joyce. I like your voice three
American. when it comes to Siri, of course :-) it is great that Apple
took into consideration various options for several peoples 
suggestions.

It’s great to have more than one voice. Now I have to set up my Apple
Watch. It just booted up with watchOS 9. but oh, so many voices to
choose from I do like the Scottish voice I may from time to time use 
it.

but I do use the Irish voice in March. Why well you know when Saint
Paddy‘s day comes along I like to hear the Irish accent. I don’t care
for Moira much, but I do like the Siri Irish voices. I wish they had a
series, Scottish voice, or a set of male and female Scottish Siri 
voices

that be cool.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christopher Chaltain
 wrote:



Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak
when I was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a
nice quality voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a
younger man’s clothes!



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16



Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of
those voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind
of funny to read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice
singing your whole email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched
it to eloquence though, because then I can hear it at a much faster
speed that I’m used to reading emails in on my windows, computer. I
usually have it set to 70% on my computer if you were wondering.

Sent from my iPhone




On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain
 wrote:



I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium
version!



--

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Chaltain at Outlook



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of

Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: New voices iOS 16



I personally like the following new voices.

Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.













Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of
little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~
John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com



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Re: New voices iOS 16

[Joshua Hendrickson]

For Welch, try Ivona Garet or Gwinith.

On 9/12/22, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> Hello Lana,
>
> I don’t know where you are in the world but I come from a town in Wales
> called Tredegar.
>
> We have a dialect that some call Wenglish which is an amalgamation of
> English and residual Welsh.
>
> It is not uncommon for someone to say something like:  “I’ll do it now in a
> minute” while this makes no sense in a literal sense we know exactly what is
> meant.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 13 Sep 2022, at 00:03, Lana  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I would love that. There are some novels with a Welsh and or Arthurian
>> setting which cry for a Welsh reader. Then someone could pronounce some of
>> those names properly.
>>
>> On 9/12/2022 4:36 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote:
>>>
>>> What about a voice with a Welsh dialect?  Here in the UK all nations are
>>> provided for except Wales!
>>>
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>>
 On 12 Sep 2022, at 23:13, CHELA Robles  wrote:

  Well, sometimes I like hearing the higher quality voices too, and
 sometimes having Siri be my voice of Joyce. I like your voice three
 American. when it comes to Siri, of course :-) it is great that Apple
 took into consideration various options for several peoples suggestions.
 It’s great to have more than one voice. Now I have to set up my Apple
 Watch. It just booted up with watchOS 9. but oh, so many voices to
 choose from I do like the Scottish voice I may from time to time use it.
 but I do use the Irish voice in March. Why well you know when Saint
 Paddy‘s day comes along I like to hear the Irish accent. I don’t care
 for Moira much, but I do like the Siri Irish voices. I wish they had a
 series, Scottish voice, or a set of male and female Scottish Siri voices
 that be cool.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christopher Chaltain
>  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak
> when I was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a
> nice quality voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a
> younger man’s clothes!
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> CHELA Robles
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
>
>
>
> Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of
> those voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind
> of funny to read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice
> singing your whole email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched
> it to eloquence though, because then I can hear it at a much faster
> speed that I’m used to reading emails in on my windows, computer. I
> usually have it set to 70% on my computer if you were wondering.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium
>> version!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
>> To: ViPone list 
>> Subject: New voices iOS 16
>>
>>
>>
>> I personally like the following new voices.
>>
>> Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of
>> little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~
>> John Ruskin
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>>
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Re: New voices iOS 16

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello Lana,I don’t know where you are in the world but I come from a town in Wales called Tredegar.We have a dialect that some call Wenglish which is an amalgamation of English and residual Welsh.It is not uncommon for someone to say something like:  “I’ll do it now in a minute” while this makes no sense in a literal sense we know exactly what is meant.Malcolm ParfittOn 13 Sep 2022, at 00:03, Lana  wrote:
  

  
  
I would love that. There are some novels with a Welsh and or
  Arthurian setting which cry for a Welsh reader. Then someone could
  pronounce some of those names properly. 

On 9/12/2022 4:36 PM, Malcolm Parfitt
  wrote:


  
  What about a voice with a Welsh dialect?  Here in the UK all
  nations are provided for except Wales!
  
  Malcolm Parfitt
  
On 12 Sep 2022, at 23:13, CHELA Robles
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  Well, sometimes I like hearing the higher quality voices too,
  and sometimes having Siri be my voice of Joyce. I like your
  voice three American. when it comes to Siri, of course :-) it
  is great that Apple took into consideration various options
  for several peoples suggestions. It’s great to have more than
  one voice. Now I have to set up my Apple Watch. It just booted
  up with watchOS 9. but oh, so many voices to choose from I do
  like the Scottish voice I may from time to time use it. but I
  do use the Irish voice in March. Why well you know when Saint
  Paddy‘s day comes along I like to hear the Irish accent. I
  don’t care for Moira much, but I do like the Siri Irish
  voices. I wish they had a series, Scottish voice, or a set of
  male and female Scottish Siri voices that be cool.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:04 PM,
  Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
Well, I used to use Eloquence on my
  PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was using
  Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a
  nice quality voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was
  when I wore a younger man’s clothes!
 

  --
  Christopher (AKA CJ)
  Chaltain at Outlook

 

  
From:
  viphone@googlegroups.com
  
  On Behalf Of CHELA Robles
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16
  

 
Her
  voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing
  on some of those voices that offer all three voice
  types. By the way, it was kind of funny to read your
  message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing
  your whole email message quite interesting. Indeed I
  switched it to eloquence though, because then I can
  hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to
  reading emails in on my windows, computer. I usually
  have it set to 70% on my computer if you were
  wondering.

  Sent from my iPhone


  


  
On
  Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain
  
  wrote:
  


  
 
I was already a fan of Ava, so
  I can’t wait to check out the premium version!
 

  --
  Christopher (AKA CJ)
  Chaltain at Outlook

 

  
From: viphone@googlegroups.com
  
  On Behalf Of Richard Turner
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08
  PM
  To: ViPone list 
  Subject: New voices iOS 16
  

 

  I personally like the

Re: OneStep Reader one step behind!

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello Richard,Removing camera access and restoring it did not solve the problem for me.Removing and reinstalling it did work however.None-the-less this should not have been necessary!I wonder what the state of development of this app is, that’s assuming it’s still under development?Malcolm ParfittOn 13 Sep 2022, at 00:05, Richard Turner  wrote:I found the same thing.I deleted it and redownlodaed it, gave permision to use the camera, and it works again.Perhaps going into settings on the phone, and toggling the camera permision on and off would also fix it.Richard“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Sep 12, 2022, at 3:50 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:On my iPhone 12 Pro Max all of my apps work well with one exception.  This app just happens to be the most expensive one I own, OneStep Reader.When launched it crashes although it is listed in Task Switcher.Given the cost of this app and the time that developers have had to prepare for iOS16 this is unacceptable!Contrast this with a recent issue with VoiceDream Reader and how quickly it was resolved and it makes it even more intolerable!Malcolm Parfitt-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/B3A4C03A-0940-4FBE-8FF5-752B692FC270%40parfitt1.org.uk.



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Re: pasting ios 16

[Richard Turner]

Well, apologies for the empty message.
When pasting into an email, at least from mBraille, you have to give permision 
to allow the paste.
Off to see about a permanent OK.




Richard
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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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Re: iOS 15.7 and iOS 16

[Jessica Miller]

I saw the 15.7 update, but haven't seen 16 yet.  I imagine the 
servers are probably swamped, so I was going to wait a bit for them 
to calm down anyway.  Hopefully the update will show up for me in the 
next few days.


At 04:14 PM 9/12/2022, you wrote:
Yes, that was the case last year. It was a new feature in one of the 
developer betas. You can skip iOS 15 entirely, and just install iOS 16.


On Sep 12, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca> wrote:


Hello,

When I wanted to update to iOS 16 this morning I was surprised that 
when I checked under Settings > General > Software Update I was 
first presented with an iOS 15.7 update which mentioned security fixes.
I didn't even look further because if I had I would have seen that 
it then said that also available was iOS 16.
I can't remember if this was already the case with iOS 15 last year 
or if this is a new and less forceful approach by Apple to let 
people know the new version of iOS is available but to then let 
them decide if they want to download and install it. Anyways, I did 
the 15.7 update and then when I checked I saw the iOS 16 update 
which also downloaded and installed quickly and without fuss.



Best regards,
Sieghard


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Re: OneStep Reader one step behind!

[Richard Turner]

I found the same thing.
I deleted it and redownlodaed it, gave permision to use the camera, and it 
works again.
Perhaps going into settings on the phone, and toggling the camera permision on 
and off would also fix it.





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> On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:50 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> On my iPhone 12 Pro Max all of my apps work well with one exception.  This 
> app just happens to be the most expensive one I own, OneStep Reader.
> 
> When launched it crashes although it is listed in Task Switcher.
> 
> Given the cost of this app and the time that developers have had to prepare 
> for iOS16 this is unacceptable!
> 
> Contrast this with a recent issue with VoiceDream Reader and how quickly it 
> was resolved and it makes it even more intolerable!Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: New voices iOS 16

[Lana]

I would love that. There are some novels with a Welsh and or Arthurian 
setting which cry for a Welsh reader. Then someone could pronounce some 
of those names properly.


On 9/12/2022 4:36 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote:
What about a voice with a Welsh dialect?  Here in the UK all nations 
are provided for except Wales!


Malcolm Parfitt


On 12 Sep 2022, at 23:13, CHELA Robles  wrote:

 Well, sometimes I like hearing the higher quality voices too, and 
sometimes having Siri be my voice of Joyce. I like your voice three 
American. when it comes to Siri, of course :-) it is great that Apple 
took into consideration various options for several peoples 
suggestions. It’s great to have more than one voice. Now I have to 
set up my Apple Watch. It just booted up with watchOS 9. but oh, so 
many voices to choose from I do like the Scottish voice I may from 
time to time use it. but I do use the Irish voice in March. Why well 
you know when Saint Paddy‘s day comes along I like to hear the Irish 
accent. I don’t care for Moira much, but I do like the Siri Irish 
voices. I wish they had a series, Scottish voice, or a set of male 
and female Scottish Siri voices that be cool.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
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Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak 
when I was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve 
a nice quality voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore 
a younger man’s clothes!


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*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On 
Behalf Of *CHELA Robles

*Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: New voices iOS 16

Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of 
those voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was 
kind of funny to read your message. Christopher with the good news, 
voice singing your whole email message quite interesting. Indeed I 
switched it to eloquence though, because then I can hear it at a 
much faster speed that I’m used to reading emails in on my windows, 
computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer if you were 
wondering.


Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain
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I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the
premium version!

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*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *Richard Turner
*Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
*To:* ViPone list 
*Subject:* New voices iOS 16

I personally like the following new voices.

Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.

Richard

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OneStep Reader one step behind!

[Malcolm Parfitt]

On my iPhone 12 Pro Max all of my apps work well with one exception.  This app 
just happens to be the most expensive one I own, OneStep Reader.

When launched it crashes although it is listed in Task Switcher.

Given the cost of this app and the time that developers have had to prepare for 
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Re: New voices iOS 16

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What about a voice with a Welsh dialect?  Here in the UK all nations are provided for except Wales!Malcolm ParfittOn 12 Sep 2022, at 23:13, CHELA Robles  wrote:Well, sometimes I like hearing the higher quality voices too, and sometimes having Siri be my voice of Joyce. I like your voice three American. when it comes to Siri, of course :-) it is great that Apple took into consideration various options for several peoples suggestions. It’s great to have more than one voice. Now I have to set up my Apple Watch. It just booted up with watchOS 9. but oh, so many voices to choose from I do like the Scottish voice I may from time to time use it. but I do use the Irish voice in March. Why well you know when Saint Paddy‘s day comes along I like to hear the Irish accent. I don’t care for Moira much, but I do like the Siri Irish voices. I wish they had a series, Scottish voice, or a set of male and female Scottish Siri voices that be cool.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 12, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16


 
Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice
 singing your whole email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer if you were
 wondering.

Sent from my iPhone






On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:




 
I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!
 

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Chaltain at Outlook

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: New voices iOS 16


 

I personally like the following new voices.


Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.


 


 

 


 


 


 


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Re: New voices iOS 16

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Well, sometimes I like hearing the higher quality voices too, and sometimes having Siri be my voice of Joyce. I like your voice three American. when it comes to Siri, of course :-) it is great that Apple took into consideration various options for several peoples suggestions. It’s great to have more than one voice. Now I have to set up my Apple Watch. It just booted up with watchOS 9. but oh, so many voices to choose from I do like the Scottish voice I may from time to time use it. but I do use the Irish voice in March. Why well you know when Saint Paddy‘s day comes along I like to hear the Irish accent. I don’t care for Moira much, but I do like the Siri Irish voices. I wish they had a series, Scottish voice, or a set of male and female Scottish Siri voices that be cool.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 12, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality voice, and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16


 
Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice
 singing your whole email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer if you were
 wondering.

Sent from my iPhone






On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:




 
I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: New voices iOS 16


 

I personally like the following new voices.


Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.


 


 

 


 


 


 


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RE: New voices iOS 16

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, I used to use Eloquence on my PC and then I switched to eSpeak when I was 
using Linux. Now that I’m an old man, I figure I deserve a nice quality voice, 
and I’m not in a hurry like I was when I wore a younger man’s clothes!

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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New voices iOS 16

Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those 
voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to 
read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole 
email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, 
because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading 
emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer 
if you were wondering.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
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To: ViPone list mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: New voices iOS 16

I personally like the following new voices.
Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.






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Her voice sounds really good. Premium quality is amazing on some of those voices that offer all three voice types. By the way, it was kind of funny to read your message. Christopher with the good news, voice singing your whole email message quite interesting. Indeed I switched it to eloquence though, because then I can hear it at a much faster speed that I’m used to reading emails in on my windows, computer. I usually have it set to 70% on my computer if you were wondering.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 12, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







I was already a fan of Ava, so I can’t wait to check out the premium version!
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: New voices iOS 16


 

I personally like the following new voices.


Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.


 


 

 


 


 


 


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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Yes, anyone here does too, but they're not crooks. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Assuming they knew what voiceover was and most people 
don't, even my husband and kids who know what it is get vonfused as all get out 
with the black screen. It's quite entertaining A thief would probably just toss 
the phone which really isn't a problem in terms of data because of the cloud 
backups. 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and 
tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain.
And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who 
potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen 
curtain is.
A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a 
non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features 
of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said:

Screen curtain to protect your privacy
Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using 
VoiceOver.
Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you 
don't want anyone to see.
You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and 
touch-sensitive – but turn the display off.
Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen 
to your bank balance read aloud.
Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal.

To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it 
on.
Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers.

I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying 
don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use 
of  your iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does 

RE: New voices iOS 16

[Christopher Chaltain]

I was already a fan of Ava, so I can't wait to check out the premium version!

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:08 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: New voices iOS 16

I personally like the following new voices.
Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.






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"What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Star Gazer]

Assuming they knew what voiceover was and most people 
don't, even my husband and kids who know what it is get vonfused as all get out 
with the black screen. It's quite entertaining 
A thief would probably just toss the phone which really isn't a problem in 
terms of data because of the cloud backups. 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and 
tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain.
And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who 
potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen 
curtain is.
A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a 
non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features 
of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said:

Screen curtain to protect your privacy
Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using 
VoiceOver.
Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you 
don't want anyone to see.
You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and 
touch-sensitive – but turn the display off.
Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen 
to your bank balance read aloud.
Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal.

To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it 
on.
Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers.

I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying 
don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use 
of  your iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & 

RE: New voices iOS 16

[Carolyn]

I think I am going to try Nathan Enhanced. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:08 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: New voices iOS 16

I personally like the following new voices.
Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.
 





Richard
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RE: New voices iOS 16

[Star Gazer]

They seemed to have fixed the weird speech 
patterns of Tom enhanced which is good because they drove me batty 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:08 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: New voices iOS 16

 

I personally like the following new voices.

Scotland, Fiona enhanced, UK Jamie premium, and Ava prrmium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

But my cousin says that some thieves are very savvy. I figured with Screen 
Curtain and Voiceover on, they'd just pitch it, and I have said that loud and 
clear all around here to friends, so that they'll believe it, pass on the rumor 
and maybe spare me a local thief or two. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Sieghard, my cousin says that exact, same thing. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Yes, you do pay for that plan. So, when I contact AT, I am going to see what 
they offer me, and then turn in my 11 and charge the price on my Visa card, 
like where they charge my bill. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am with Verizon. I am a little suspicious of them, because they offer the 
most money if you upgrade to a different plan. So you wind up paying for that 
discount they are giving you overtime. Just read the fine print and make sure 
you know the details.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me 
> a trade up. 
> 
> I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I 
> am not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
> much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, 
> my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do 
> want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, 
> but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what 
> color things were. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 
> 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
> under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. From 
> Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see 
> the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if 
> you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
> prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
> Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
> Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
> battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
> when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will 
> try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as 
> well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera 
> on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the 
> emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot 
> could offer some peace of mind.
> And anybody who doesn't think they need all 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

I'm with you there, 100%. I am way not above allowing someone to use my phone, 
but someone I know, and in a situation that I more or les control, as far as 
the phone is concerned. I am not in the habit of leaving mine lying out other 
than sometimes at home. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Caroline, don’t get me wrong, if somebody wishes to use my phone and they ask 
me and tell me why they want to use it, I will allow it. But I make that 
choice. I would never leave my phone sitting on a table. Too many people can 
pick it up and do things to it. We have a granddaughter and my wife’s phone 
gets picked up by her all the time and God knows what happens when she does 
that. But, I’m not gonna worry about that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Les Kriegler
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
> buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
> friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s 
> over the top.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> 
>Yes, I keep mine in direct 
> contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, 
> everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people 
> who can see absolutely crazy. 
> 
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> 
> 
>I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my 
> phone it’s me.
> 
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
> mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
> 
>Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face 
> ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, 
> I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
> numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.
> 
> 
> 
>I feel so badly for you.
> 
> 
> 
>Esther
> 
>Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
>   wrote:
> 
>Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been 
> pissed as well.
>
>Chris Judge
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
>Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
>To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
>Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
>You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
>
>Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
>
>Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine 
> and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone 
> because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up 
> the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could 
> unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me.
>
>It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
>
>I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see 
> her pick up my phone?"  Wow!
>
>I just don't like Face ID!
>
>Mark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
>  mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
>To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
>I actually believe 

New voices iOS 16

[Richard Turner]

I personally like the following new voices.
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Richard
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Re: why I don't like face ID

[Lynn Schneider]

Contrary to popular wisdom, on my iPhone 13 Pro with the latest software 
update, my face ID will just not work in the dark. Unfortunately for me, I 
forgot about this when I was sitting in my very dark room this morning trying 
to access my bank account. Having failed to recognize my face after three 
attempts, the app told me that I was locked out of my  Bank  because I forgot 
my bank password, which the app would not let me store in my keychain when I 
first set things up. So now, I am trying to recover my account. Coming up with 
a new strong password and typing it in on my iPhone is difficult, as it will 
not let me have a computer generated password and it has a time limit on typing 
things in. with all the capitals and punctuation and whatever else, with trying 
to type fast, my first password and my confirmation password never match. then, 
I am kicked out of the entire system and have to start the process all over 
again. this is not the first time something like this has happened to me, all 
because it did not recognize my face in the beginning. When I went to check my 
credit card balance, I was a little smarter this time and actually walked 
downstairs and was in good light. it recognized my face in a split second and 
there were no problems. so now, I am spending the afternoon engaged in the 
convoluted and arduous process of reestablishing access to my bank account with 
a password change. yes, I have attention turned off in the Face ID and I reset 
it frequently when it actually stops recognizing my face entirely. I am about 
ready to just ditch face ID all together for logins. according to my cited 
compatriots, my face does not change overnight so as to be unrecognizable. I am 
perplexed that I am having such difficulty considering the fact that most other 
blind users are not. Touch ID always worked flawlessly for me, but I accept the 
fact that we will never go back to that system. it is really disheartening that 
I have this problem and cannot seem to find solutions. I love my iPhone and I 
am thankful for its accessibility to me as a blind person, but I am just hoping 
that I will find a solution to the face ID conundrum.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> 
> There are a few reasons.  1 for what Mark and Donna brought up.
> 2 If I am laying down I can’t get it to reliably work.  I really wish Apple 
> would give us the choice.
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RE: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'

[Vicky Collins]

I even heard some speculation before the Apple event that that was a way to encourage folks to purchase the more expensive phones rather than the regular 14s. Of course, I have no way of knowing if that was really Apple’s intention. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Sieghard WeitzelSent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:45 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails' Small wonder if they release a new phone with the same chip as the old one and apart from a few minor camera enhancements and emergency GPS via satellite which only works in the US/Canada and hence is of no interest to the rest of the world let alone probably a majority of people in the US and Canada.Most people who have an iPhone 12 or 13 whether Pro or not probably think twice before upgrading to a regular 14 or 14 Plus. I think Apple would have done better to just offer the iPhone 14 in the regular screen size and drop the Mini and Plus option. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:16 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails' Link at end of article.Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'Sep. 12th, 2022The iPhone 14 and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus have seen "bad" pre-order results, indicating that Apple's positioning of the two new standard models may have failed, accordingto Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.iphone 14 iphone 14 plus in handIn his latest post on Medium, Kuo explained that the iPhone 14 Pro and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max have seen "neutral" and "good" pre-order results compared to the iPhone 13 Pro and ‌iPhone 13 Pro‌ Max. Delivery wait times of more than four weeks may indicate good demand for the new high-end devices. It is apparently "unclear"whether Apple will increase shipment forecasts of its Pro models, but there is a "growing" chance that it will cut orders of the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone14‌ Plus, which currently account for around 45 percent of the entire lineup's shipments.The ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus are expected to be in stock in retail stores on their launch dates, "reflecting lackluster demand." As it stands,Kuo says that the pre-order results for the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus are worse than those of the third-generation iPhone SE and the iPhone 13 mini. He noted that Apple cut orders of both the third-generation ‌iPhone SE‌ and the ‌iPhone 13‌ mini in the first half of 2022 due to low demand.If demand for the two standard models do not improve, Apple may cut ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus orders as soon as November. Suppliers who are notmajor beneficiaries of Apple's ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ models will likely see the start of declining revenue in September and October as a result.For ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus, in particular, the "pre-order result is significantly lower than expected." As a model that effectively replaces the "mini" form factor in the latest iPhone lineup, with 6.1-inch and 6.7-inch display sizes now being the only options, Kuo said that "Apple's product segmentation strategy for standard modelsfails this year."All four of the ‌iPhone 14‌ models were announced by Apple last week and have been available to pre-order since September 9. The ‌iPhone 14‌, ‌iPhone 14Pro‌, and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max are set to launch on Friday, September 16, and the ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus will launch on Friday, October 7.https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/12/kuo-iphone-14-plus-worse-than-iphone-13-mini/-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/002d01d8c6a1%246bb9c280%24432d4780%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched 

RE: New Siri sound

[Dennis Long]

Send feedback to apple.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 3:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Siri sound

There really isn't anything you can do about it to get the old sound back.  It 
sounds like the echo sound to me.

On 9/12/22, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> I don't care for the new sound to invoke Siri, as I have a hearing 
> loss, and the sound is too low to hear well, unless the volume is high.
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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Dennis Long]

I completely agree with you Sieghard. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and 
tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain.
And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who 
potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen 
curtain is.
A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a 
non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features 
of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said:

Screen curtain to protect your privacy
Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using 
VoiceOver.
Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you 
don't want anyone to see.
You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and 
touch-sensitive – but turn the display off.
Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen 
to your bank balance read aloud.
Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal.

To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it 
on.
Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers.

I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying 
don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use 
of  your iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 

Re: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'

[Julian]

I'm not at all surprised. Personally, I think Apple should consider releasing a new iPhone every two years as opposed to every year, especially if the yearly updates are going to be so incremental to the point that they are not that significant.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 12, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Corey Cook  wrote:I work for Verizon and I believe it was the worst iPhone pre-order weekend I have ever seen as in nobody was ordering the phonesOn Sep 12, 2022, at 2:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Small wonder if they release a new phone with the same chip as the old one and apart from a few minor camera enhancements and emergency GPS via satellite which only works in the US/Canada
 and hence is of no interest to the rest of the world let alone probably a majority of people in the US and Canada.
Most people who have an iPhone 12 or 13 whether Pro or not probably think twice before upgrading to a regular 14 or 14 Plus. I think Apple would have done better to just offer the iPhone
 14 in the regular screen size and drop the Mini and Plus option.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'


 
Link at end of article.
Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'
Sep. 12th, 2022
The 
iPhone 14
 and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus have seen "bad" pre-order results, indicating that Apple's positioning of the two new standard models may have failed, according
to Apple analyst 
Ming-Chi Kuo.
iphone 14 iphone 14 plus in hand
In his 
latest post
 on Medium, Kuo explained that the 
iPhone 14 Pro
 and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max have seen "neutral" and "good" pre-order results compared to the 
iPhone 13 Pro
 and ‌iPhone 13 Pro‌ Max. Delivery wait times of more than four weeks may indicate good demand for the new high-end devices. It is apparently "unclear"
whether Apple will increase shipment forecasts of its Pro models, but there is a "growing" chance that it will cut orders of the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone
14‌ Plus, which currently account for around 45 percent of the entire lineup's shipments.
The ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus are expected to be in stock in retail stores on their launch dates, "reflecting lackluster demand." As it stands,
Kuo says that the pre-order results for the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus are worse than those of the third-generation 
iPhone SE
 and the 
iPhone 13
 mini. He noted that Apple cut orders of both the third-generation ‌iPhone SE‌ and the ‌iPhone 13‌ mini in the first half of 2022 due to low demand.
If demand for the two standard models do not improve, Apple may cut ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus orders as soon as November. Suppliers who are not
major beneficiaries of Apple's ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ models will likely see the start of declining revenue in September and October as a result.
For ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus, in particular, the "pre-order result is significantly lower than expected." As a model that effectively 
replaces the "mini" form factor
 in the latest 
iPhone
 lineup, with 6.1-inch and 6.7-inch display sizes now being the only options, Kuo said that "Apple's product segmentation strategy for standard models
fails this year."
All four of the ‌iPhone 14‌ models were announced by Apple last week and have been available to pre-order since September 9. The ‌iPhone 14‌, ‌iPhone 14
Pro‌, and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max are set to launch on Friday, September 16, and the ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus will launch on Friday, October 7.
https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/12/kuo-iphone-14-plus-worse-than-iphone-13-mini/
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RE: NFL and iOS App

[Christopher Chaltain]

Totally agree. I got SiriusXM during the preseason, and I listened to three 
games on Sunday with no problem. I even caught the pregame show for the 
Dolphins game.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

Right, doable but not very accessible isn’t worth paying for.
Thanks,


Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

The only way I could find the radio broadcasts was to into the scores.


Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.



OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here’s what I did:

1.I brought up the NFL app.

2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn’t 
figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.

3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested 
in. In this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.

4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.

5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the 
Patriots, or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could 
double tap on the away feed.

6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won’t hear anything 
because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume 
up button.

7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally 
inaccessible, so there’s no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.



Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn’t unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.


SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven’t tried that yet!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

Adios,

Richard
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Re: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'

[Corey Cook]

I work for Verizon and I believe it was the worst iPhone pre-order weekend I 
have ever seen as in nobody was ordering the phones

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 2:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Small wonder if they release a new phone with the same chip as the old one 
> and apart from a few minor camera enhancements and emergency GPS via 
> satellite which only works in the US/Canada and hence is of no interest to 
> the rest of the world let alone probably a majority of people in the US and 
> Canada.
> Most people who have an iPhone 12 or 13 whether Pro or not probably think 
> twice before upgrading to a regular 14 or 14 Plus. I think Apple would have 
> done better to just offer the iPhone 14 in the regular screen size and drop 
> the Mini and Plus option.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product 
> Strategy 'Fails'
>  
> Link at end of article.
> Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 
> 'Fails'
> Sep. 12th, 2022
> The 
> iPhone 14
>  and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus have seen "bad" pre-order results, indicating that 
> Apple's positioning of the two new standard models may have failed, according
> to Apple analyst 
> Ming-Chi Kuo.
> iphone 14 iphone 14 plus in hand
> In his 
> latest post
>  on Medium, Kuo explained that the 
> iPhone 14 Pro
>  and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max have seen "neutral" and "good" pre-order results 
> compared to the 
> iPhone 13 Pro
>  and ‌iPhone 13 Pro‌ Max. Delivery wait times of more than four weeks may 
> indicate good demand for the new high-end devices. It is apparently "unclear"
> whether Apple will increase shipment forecasts of its Pro models, but there 
> is a "growing" chance that it will cut orders of the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone
> 14‌ Plus, which currently account for around 45 percent of the entire 
> lineup's shipments.
> The ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus are expected to be in stock in retail 
> stores on their launch dates, "reflecting lackluster demand." As it stands,
> Kuo says that the pre-order results for the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus 
> are worse than those of the third-generation 
> iPhone SE
>  and the 
> iPhone 13
>  mini. He noted that Apple cut orders of both the third-generation ‌iPhone 
> SE‌ and the ‌iPhone 13‌ mini in the first half of 2022 due to low demand.
> If demand for the two standard models do not improve, Apple may cut ‌iPhone 
> 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus orders as soon as November. Suppliers who are not
> major beneficiaries of Apple's ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ models will likely see the 
> start of declining revenue in September and October as a result.
> For ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus, in particular, the "pre-order result is significantly 
> lower than expected." As a model that effectively 
> replaces the "mini" form factor
>  in the latest 
> iPhone
>  lineup, with 6.1-inch and 6.7-inch display sizes now being the only options, 
> Kuo said that "Apple's product segmentation strategy for standard models
> fails this year."
> All four of the ‌iPhone 14‌ models were announced by Apple last week and have 
> been available to pre-order since September 9. The ‌iPhone 14‌, ‌iPhone 14
> Pro‌, and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max are set to launch on Friday, September 16, and 
> the ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus will launch on Friday, October 7.
> https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/12/kuo-iphone-14-plus-worse-than-iphone-13-mini/
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Re: iOS 15.7 and iOS 16

[Daniel MacDonald]

Yes, that was the case last year. It was a new feature in one of the developer 
betas. You can skip iOS 15 entirely, and just install iOS 16. 

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> When I wanted to update to iOS 16 this morning I was surprised that when I 
> checked under Settings > General > Software Update I was first presented with 
> an iOS 15.7 update which mentioned security fixes.
> I didn't even look further because if I had I would have seen that it then 
> said that also available was iOS 16.
> I can't remember if this was already the case with iOS 15 last year or if 
> this is a new and less forceful approach by Apple to let people know the new 
> version of iOS is available but to then let them decide if they want to 
> download and install it. Anyways, I did the 15.7 update and then when I 
> checked I saw the iOS 16 update which also downloaded and installed quickly 
> and without fuss.
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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iOS 15.7 and iOS 16

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello,

When I wanted to update to iOS 16 this morning I was surprised that when I 
checked under Settings > General > Software Update I was first presented with 
an iOS 15.7 update which mentioned security fixes.
I didn't even look further because if I had I would have seen that it then said 
that also available was iOS 16.
I can't remember if this was already the case with iOS 15 last year or if this 
is a new and less forceful approach by Apple to let people know the new version 
of iOS is available but to then let them decide if they want to download and 
install it. Anyways, I did the 15.7 update and then when I checked I saw the 
iOS 16 update which also downloaded and installed quickly and without fuss.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and 
tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain.
And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who 
potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen 
curtain is.
A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a 
non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features 
of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said:

Screen curtain to protect your privacy
Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using 
VoiceOver.
Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you 
don't want anyone to see.
You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and 
touch-sensitive – but turn the display off.
Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen 
to your bank balance read aloud.
Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal.

To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it 
on.
Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers.

I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying 
don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use 
of  your iPhone.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

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From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of 

RE: New Siri sound

[Richard Turner]

Apple and Windows must be working together.
The new sounds in Windows 11 are lower pitched and lower volume and people with 
hearing issues are complaining too.
Anyone finding this to be a problem, please report it to Apple.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Siri sound

There really isn't anything you can do about it to get the old sound back.  It 
sounds like the echo sound to me.

On 9/12/22, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> I don't care for the new sound to invoke Siri, as I have a hearing 
> loss, and the sound is too low to hear well, unless the volume is high.
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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Star Gazer]

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> 

Re: New Siri sound

[Joshua Hendrickson]

There really isn't anything you can do about it to get the old sound
back.  It sounds like the echo sound to me.

On 9/12/22, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> I don't care for the new sound to invoke Siri, as I have a hearing loss,
> and the sound is too low to hear well, unless the volume is high.
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I don't care for the new sound to invoke Siri, as I have a hearing loss, 
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RE: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Small wonder if they release a new phone with the same chip as the old one and 
apart from a few minor camera enhancements and emergency GPS via satellite 
which only works in the US/Canada and hence is of no interest to the rest of 
the world let alone probably a majority of people in the US and Canada.
Most people who have an iPhone 12 or 13 whether Pro or not probably think twice 
before upgrading to a regular 14 or 14 Plus. I think Apple would have done 
better to just offer the iPhone 14 in the regular screen size and drop the Mini 
and Plus option.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product 
Strategy 'Fails'

Link at end of article.
Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 
'Fails'
Sep. 12th, 2022
The
iPhone 14
 and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus have seen "bad" pre-order results, indicating that 
Apple's positioning of the two new standard models may have failed, according
to Apple analyst
Ming-Chi Kuo.
iphone 14 iphone 14 plus in hand
In his
latest post
 on Medium, Kuo explained that the
iPhone 14 Pro
 and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max have seen "neutral" and "good" pre-order results 
compared to the
iPhone 13 Pro
 and ‌iPhone 13 Pro‌ Max. Delivery wait times of more than four weeks may 
indicate good demand for the new high-end devices. It is apparently "unclear"
whether Apple will increase shipment forecasts of its Pro models, but there is 
a "growing" chance that it will cut orders of the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone
14‌ Plus, which currently account for around 45 percent of the entire lineup's 
shipments.
The ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus are expected to be in stock in retail 
stores on their launch dates, "reflecting lackluster demand." As it stands,
Kuo says that the pre-order results for the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus 
are worse than those of the third-generation
iPhone SE
 and the
iPhone 13
 mini. He noted that Apple cut orders of both the third-generation ‌iPhone SE‌ 
and the ‌iPhone 13‌ mini in the first half of 2022 due to low demand.
If demand for the two standard models do not improve, Apple may cut ‌iPhone 14‌ 
and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus orders as soon as November. Suppliers who are not
major beneficiaries of Apple's ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ models will likely see the start 
of declining revenue in September and October as a result.
For ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus, in particular, the "pre-order result is significantly 
lower than expected." As a model that effectively
replaces the "mini" form factor
 in the latest
iPhone
 lineup, with 6.1-inch and 6.7-inch display sizes now being the only options, 
Kuo said that "Apple's product segmentation strategy for standard models
fails this year."
All four of the ‌iPhone 14‌ models were announced by Apple last week and have 
been available to pre-order since September 9. The ‌iPhone 14‌, ‌iPhone 14
Pro‌, and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max are set to launch on Friday, September 16, and 
the ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus will launch on Friday, October 7.
https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/12/kuo-iphone-14-plus-worse-than-iphone-13-mini/
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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on 

RE: NFL and iOS App

[Richard Turner]

Right, doable but not very accessible isn’t worth paying for.

Thanks,

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

 

The only way I could find the radio broadcasts was to into the scores.

 

Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.

 

OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here’s what I did:

1.I brought up the NFL app.

2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn’t 
figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.

3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested 
in. In this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.

4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.

5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the 
Patriots, or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could 
double tap on the away feed.

6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won’t hear anything 
because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume 
up button.

7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally 
inaccessible, so there’s no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.

 

Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn’t unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.

 

SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven’t tried that yet!

 

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Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

 

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

 

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

 

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

 

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

 

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

 

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

 

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

 

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

 

Adios,

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  

 https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

 

Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?

I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com 

RE: NFL and iOS App

[Christopher Chaltain]

I did report this to the NFL and even opened up a complaint with the DOJ under 
the ADA.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

Richard, thanks for this review. I suspect the NFL knows they have problems. 
Why else would they be advertising as much as they do. Another company that 
bothers me is NBC. Peacock if you wanted to watch the Sunday baseball games 
they do you have to sign up for premium at 499 a month. Now they are offering 
it for less than half of that for one year. But again, as far as I’m concerned, 
who needs any of this. I do have SiriusXM and I’ve never regretted it. that was 
4.99 per month. so I don’t want anybody’s heart to go into arrhythmia.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

Adios,

Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com
礪

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?
I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.




Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com




On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford 
mailto:ke...@theideaplace.net>> wrote:
Here is what I had to do.

1. Get to the list of games.
2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was located.
4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
5. Turn off VoiceOver.
6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is located.
7. Turn back on VoiceOver.


Now you will be able to read the buttons for the different broadcasts.


It would appear that the NFL is using some graphic that isn't read by screen 
readers to create the three dots that are shown visibly here to bring up these 
buttons.  A similar issue happens on the web site but there, they did add a tab 
stop to the unread graphic.

Kelly



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.

OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here's what I did:
1.I 

RE: NFL and iOS App

[Christopher Chaltain]

The only way I could find the radio broadcasts was to into the scores.


Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.



OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here’s what I did:

1.I brought up the NFL app.

2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn’t 
figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.

3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested 
in. In this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.

4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.

5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the 
Patriots, or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could 
double tap on the away feed.

6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won’t hear anything 
because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume 
up button.

7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally 
inaccessible, so there’s no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.



Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn’t unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.


SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven’t tried that yet!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

Adios,

Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com
礪

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?
I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.




Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: 
https://www.turner42.com


On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford 
mailto:ke...@theideaplace.net>> wrote:
Here is what I had to do.

1. Get to the list of games.
2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was located.
4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
5. Turn off VoiceOver.
6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is 

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

I am with Verizon. I am a little suspicious of them, because they offer the 
most money if you upgrade to a different plan. So you wind up paying for that 
discount they are giving you overtime. Just read the fine print and make sure 
you know the details.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me 
> a trade up. 
> 
> I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I 
> am not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
> much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, 
> my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do 
> want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, 
> but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what 
> color things were. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 
> 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
> under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. From 
> Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see 
> the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if 
> you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
> prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
> Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
> Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
> battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
> when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will 
> try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as 
> well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera 
> on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the 
> emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot 
> could offer some peace of mind.
> And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a 
> good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going 
> to wait for that.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

Caroline, don’t get me wrong, if somebody wishes to use my phone and they ask 
me and tell me why they want to use it, I will allow it. But I make that 
choice. I would never leave my phone sitting on a table. Too many people can 
pick it up and do things to it. We have a granddaughter and my wife’s phone 
gets picked up by her all the time and God knows what happens when she does 
that. But, I’m not gonna worry about that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Les Kriegler
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
> buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
> friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s 
> over the top.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> 
>Yes, I keep mine in direct 
> contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, 
> everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people 
> who can see absolutely crazy. 
> 
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> 
> 
>I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my 
> phone it’s me.
> 
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
> mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
> 
>Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face 
> ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, 
> I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
> numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.
> 
> 
> 
>I feel so badly for you.
> 
> 
> 
>Esther
> 
>Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
>   wrote:
> 
>Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been 
> pissed as well.
>
>Chris Judge
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
>Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
>To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
>Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
>You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
>
>Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
>
>Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine 
> and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone 
> because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up 
> the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could 
> unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me.
>
>It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
>
>I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see 
> her pick up my phone?"  Wow!
>
>I just don't like Face ID!
>
>Mark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
>  mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
>To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
>I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than 
> facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our 
> phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they 
> could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face 
> all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what 
> just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be 
> more secure.
>
>Donna
>
>

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me a 
trade up. 

I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I am 
not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my 
long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want 
to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I 
just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things 
were. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 
Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s over 
the top.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer  
wrote:





Yes, I keep mine in 
direct contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery 
life, everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive 
people who can see absolutely crazy. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my 
phone it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put 
in Face ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your 
post, I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in 
the numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

 

I feel so badly for you.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd 
have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com 
 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or 
low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend 
of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone 
because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the 
phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock 
the device by simply pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the 
least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough 
vision to see her pick up my phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com 
 
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure 
than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our 
phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could 
lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all 
within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just 
happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more 
secure.

Donna




 

I've been using 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Plus,l the friend was just one more bully for blind people. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>> iPhone 14.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

I'm like you, Les, pocket or purse, but pocket if at all possible. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
 wrote:




Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face 
ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, 
I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

I feel so badly for you.

Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:



Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been 
pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine 
and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because 
she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone 
but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the 
device by simply pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to 
see her pick up my phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than 
facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone 
out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock 
the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & 
to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna






I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I 
don't think it's new, and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but 
I do prefer touch ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to 
be more convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without 
having to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a 
feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their 
unwillingness to learn something new.





--


Christopher (AKA CJ)


Chaltain at Outlook





-Original Message-


From: vipho...@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Mary Otten


Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM


To: vipho...@googlegroups.com


Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?





I agree with whoever it was that said when they first 
got a phone with Face ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now 
for some time, and Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ 
with touch ID. And I have to use my pass code on that just about as 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Me as well.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: September 12, 2022 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, and 
was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick 
to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers?  
Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

 

I feel so badly for you.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna




 

I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, and 
I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch ID. I 
find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more convenient. There 
are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to put it in front of 
my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature without it having to 
be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to learn something new.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: vipho...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM

To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face ID, 
it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and Face ID 
works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. And I have 
to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 10r. I think 
people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think it’s hard if 
you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do those gestures 
where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the top. Try it. Put 
your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big of a deal.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> wrote:

 

Hello Dennis and Everyone,

 

Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.

 

I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, 
with iPhone release this time around.

 

I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.

 

Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
read, recently.

 

I just don't know, I 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my 
long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want 
to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I 
just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things 
were. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 
Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then 

RE: why I don't like face ID

[chrisjudge1967]

I use to have trouble getting it to while laying down but since I got the 13 
pro it works the majority of the time.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: September 12, 2022 9:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like face ID

 

There are a few reasons.  1 for what Mark and Donna brought up.

2 If I am laying down I can’t get it to reliably work.  I really wish Apple 
would give us the choice.

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Re: NFL and iOS App

[Les Kriegler]

Richard, thanks for this review. I suspect the NFL knows they have problems. 
Why else would they be advertising as much as they do. Another company that 
bothers me is NBC. Peacock if you wanted to watch the Sunday baseball games 
they do you have to sign up for premium at 499 a month. Now they are offering 
it for less than half of that for one year. But again, as far as I’m concerned, 
who needs any of this. I do have SiriusXM and I’ve never regretted it. that was 
4.99 per month. so I don’t want anybody’s heart to go into arrhythmia.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
> up for the free trial.
>  
> First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily 
> in a helpful format, but lots of info.
>  
> Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
> broadcasts.
>  
> And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
> game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!
>  
> And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
> kickoff on.
>  
> SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
> complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
> Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
> find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.
>  
> And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
> app is not as reliable as in the past.
>  
> So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM 
> gives you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell 
> would anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?
>  
> Adios,
>  
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App
>  
> Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?
> I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Here is what I had to do.
> 
> 1. Get to the list of games.
> 2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
> 3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was 
> located.
> 4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
> 5. Turn off VoiceOver.
> 6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is located.
> 7. Turn back on VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> Now you will be able to read the buttons for the different broadcasts.
> 
> 
> It would appear that the NFL is using some graphic that isn't read by screen 
> readers to create the three dots that are shown visibly here to bring up 
> these buttons.  A similar issue happens on the web site but there, they did 
> add a tab stop to the unread graphic.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App
> 
> Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
> and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
> doable but not very accessible.
> 
> OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
> they did the season before last season. Here's what I did:
> 1.I brought up the NFL app.
> 2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn't 
> figure out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.
> 3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested in. In 
> this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.
> 4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.
> 5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the Patriots, 
> or I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could double tap on 
> the away feed.
> 6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won't hear anything 
> because the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the 
> volume up button.
> 7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally inaccessible, 
> so there's no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.
> 
> Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
> Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn't unmute the 
> audio, so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a 
> sighted 

RE: Mail, books and just syncing

[Richard Turner]

You would have to sign in on her gmail account on the web to enable iMap I 
believe, or to check and see if it is there.
I believe you can also dig into the account settings on the phone mail settings 
and tell, but I'm a little foggy on that point.

I assume you are talking about Apple books?  IF she is signed in with the same 
Apple ID, that is one where she needs to call Apple, and if she won't, then she 
will have to live with it.

HTH,
Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail, books and just syncing

Richard, I have no idea! I don’t know who set up Gmail for her. However I am 
truly at the end of my rope. Where do I go specifically to change that if it’s 
not correct? she had it on all the devices before we deleted everything in Mail 
to reinstall it. Now it won’t go through. Also I do not understand why her 
books will not sync from iPhone to iPad inbox. I would tell her to go to an 
Apple store but it’s far away from her. She will not call Accessibility. I 
don’t understand it but she won’t she calls me. Besides, they wouldn’t help 
with Gmail. We had a hard enough time changing her Google password. I just hate 
Google and Gmail. Luckily mine is working or I would be a screaming Mimi.

Reggie Alvarado 

On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

It sounds like she is using POP email.
If she was using iMap with Gmail, they should all download all the same stuff.




Richard
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alvarado
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 9:15 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Mail, books and just syncing

Hi, please! I am at a loss and end of my rope with my friend and her iPhone 13 
pro, iPad Mini and iPad air (new). Saturday I had her delete her gmail on her 
phone and reinstall it. That worked. Now she is saying that emails in gmail are 
not showing up on the Mini and the iPad Air. Also, Books do not sync her books 
with her phone. How do I help? I know there is a place you go to sync, but I 
have forgotten how. She says she has everything highlighted, but I am not 
certain. How do I sync everything? Thanks for any help. She thinks I'm an Apple 
expert. I am not. I know quite a lot, but for some reason I don't understand 
syncing or iCloud.


Reggie Alvarado 

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RE: NFL and iOS App

[Richard Turner]

OK, after suggesting Screen recognition I decided to take the plunge and sign 
up for the free trial.

 

First, screen recognition does give you lots of information, not necessarily in 
a helpful format, but lots of info.

 

Second, even though I signed up for the $4.99 trial, I could find only TV 
broadcasts.

 

And, the absolutely stupid hoops you have to jump through to try and access a 
game is not worth using for free, let alone for any amount of money!

 

And, the NFL doesn’t give you access to any of the pre-game shows, just from 
kickoff on.

 

SiriusXM, while more than twice as much at $11.99 a month gives you full and 
complete access to each teams broadcasts including all their pregame shows.  
Plus, you can access the other major sports.  My sighted wife could not even 
find the radio broadcast on the NFL app.  What a complete waste of time.

 

And, the NFL must be doing more to block stations as the GameDay Pro Football 
app is not as reliable as in the past.

 

So, I guess I will keep SiriusXM after the 3 month trial.  Note, SiriusXM gives 
you three months to try it out, not just one week.  And, why the hell would 
anyone want to pay the NFL during the off season?

 

Adios,

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFL and iOS App

 

Have you tried Screen Recognition with this app?

I havenbbt tried the app so know nothing.

 

 

 

 

Richard

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Kelly Ford mailto:ke...@theideaplace.net> > wrote:

Here is what I had to do.

1. Get to the list of games.
2. Double tap on the game I wanted.
3. Slide my finger to the right edge of the screen where that game was located.
4. Lift my finger a bit but keep track of the physical location.
5. Turn off VoiceOver.
6. Touch the right edge of the screen where the game is located.
7. Turn back on VoiceOver.


Now you will be able to read the buttons for the different broadcasts.


It would appear that the NFL is using some graphic that isn't read by screen 
readers to create the three dots that are shown visibly here to bring up these 
buttons.  A similar issue happens on the web site but there, they did add a tab 
stop to the unread graphic.

Kelly



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: NFL and iOS App

Here's what I posted to the list earlier. I've used the NFL app in the past, 
and I tried it again during the preseason with the seven day free trial. It's 
doable but not very accessible.

OK, I signed up for the NFL Plus free trial, and things worked pretty much as 
they did the season before last season. Here's what I did:
1.I brought up the NFL app.
2.I had to go into the Scores tab to get a game started. I couldn't figure 
out how to do this from the NFL Plus tab.
3.In the Scores tab, I double tapped on the game I was interested in. In 
this case, it was the Giants at Patriots.
4.I then had to double tap on the Watch tab.
5.Here I could double tap on the home broadcast, which was the Patriots, or 
I could double tap on the listen live options, where I could double tap on the 
away feed.
6.At this point the broadcast comes up, but you won't hear anything because 
the audio volume is set to 0. I unmuted the audio by hitting the volume up 
button.
7.Now you can listen to the game but the player is totally inaccessible, so 
there's no way to play/pause or fast forward/rewind.

Like I said, this was pretty much how things worked the season before last. 
Last season, the problem was that the volume buttons wouldn't unmute the audio, 
so there was no way for me to listen to the game unless I had a sighted person 
around who could tap on the unmute button in the inaccessible player.

SiriusXM is a much more enjoyable way to listen to a game, but it is $12 
instead of $5 a month. I did see the option in the Watch tab to relisten to a 
game, but I haven't tried that yet!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kelly Ford
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: NFL and iOS App

I am curious if anyone else has the NFL plus subscription 

Re: Mail, books and just syncing

[regina alvarado]

Richard, I have no idea! I don’t know who set up Gmail for her. However I am 
truly at the end of my rope. Where do I go specifically to change that if it’s 
not correct? she had it on all the devices before we deleted everything in Mail 
to reinstall it. Now it won’t go through. Also I do not understand why her 
books will not sync from iPhone to iPad inbox. I would tell her to go to an 
Apple store but it’s far away from her. She will not call Accessibility. I 
don’t understand it but she won’t she calls me. Besides, they wouldn’t help 
with Gmail. We had a hard enough time changing her Google password. I just hate 
Google and Gmail. Luckily mine is working or I would be a screaming Mimi.

Reggie Alvarado 

On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

It sounds like she is using POP email.
If she was using iMap with Gmail, they should all download all the same stuff.




Richard
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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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礪

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 9:15 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Mail, books and just syncing

Hi, please! I am at a loss and end of my rope with my friend and her iPhone 13 
pro, iPad Mini and iPad air (new). Saturday I had her delete her gmail on her 
phone and reinstall it. That worked. Now she is saying that emails in gmail are 
not showing up on the Mini and the iPad Air. Also, Books do not sync her books 
with her phone. How do I help? I know there is a place you go to sync, but I 
have forgotten how. She says she has everything highlighted, but I am not 
certain. How do I sync everything? Thanks for any help. She thinks I'm an Apple 
expert. I am not. I know quite a lot, but for some reason I don't understand 
syncing or iCloud.


Reggie Alvarado 

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RE: Mail, books and just syncing

[Richard Turner]

It sounds like she is using POP email.
If she was using iMap with Gmail, they should all download all the same stuff.




Richard
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alvarado
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 9:15 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Mail, books and just syncing

Hi, please! I am at a loss and end of my rope with my friend and her iPhone 13 
pro, iPad Mini and iPad air (new). Saturday I had her delete her gmail on her 
phone and reinstall it. That worked. Now she is saying that emails in gmail are 
not showing up on the Mini and the iPad Air. Also, Books do not sync her books 
with her phone. How do I help? I know there is a place you go to sync, but I 
have forgotten how. She says she has everything highlighted, but I am not 
certain. How do I sync everything? Thanks for any help. She thinks I'm an Apple 
expert. I am not. I know quite a lot, but for some reason I don't understand 
syncing or iCloud.


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Mail, books and just syncing

[regina alvarado]

Hi, please! I am at a loss and end of my rope with my friend and her iPhone 13 
pro, iPad Mini and iPad air (new). Saturday I had her delete her gmail on her 
phone and reinstall it. That worked. Now she is saying that emails in gmail are 
not showing up on the Mini and the iPad Air. Also, Books do not sync her books 
with her phone. How do I help? I know there is a place you go to sync, but I 
have forgotten how. She says she has everything highlighted, but I am not 
certain. How do I sync everything? Thanks for any help. She thinks I'm an Apple 
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Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s over 
the top.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, I keep mine in direct 
> contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, 
> everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people 
> who can see absolutely crazy.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>  
> I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
> it’s me.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, 
> and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll 
> stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
> numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.
>  
> I feel so badly for you.
>  
> Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
> 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
> 
> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
> 
> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, 
> thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device 
> by simply pointing it towards me.
> 
> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
> 
> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
> my phone?"  Wow!
> 
> I just don't like Face ID!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
> 
>  
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>  
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>  
> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>  
> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>  
> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>  
> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>  
> 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Star Gazer]

Yes, I keep mine in direct 
contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, 
everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people 
who can see absolutely crazy. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, and 
was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick 
to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers?  
Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

 

I feel so badly for you.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna




 

I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, and 
I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch ID. I 
find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more convenient. There 
are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to put it in front of 
my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature without it having to 
be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to learn something new.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: vipho...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM

To: vipho...@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face ID, 
it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and Face ID 
works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. And I have 
to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 10r. I think 
people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think it’s hard if 
you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do those gestures 
where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the top. Try it. Put 
your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big of a deal.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> wrote:

 

Hello Dennis and Everyone,

 

Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.

 

I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, 
with iPhone release this time around.

 

I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.

 

Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
Wireless has had 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Star Gazer]

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options
I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make 
sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>> iPhone 14.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, 
> and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll 
> stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
> numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.
> 
> I feel so badly for you.
> 
> Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.
>> 
>> Chris Judge
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
>> 
>> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
>> 
>> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
>> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
>> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone 
>> but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the 
>> device by simply pointing it towards me.
>> 
>> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
>> 
>> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
>> my phone?"  Wow!
>> 
>> I just don't like Face ID!
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Donna Casteen
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
>> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
>> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock 
>> the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
>> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just 
>> happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be 
>> more secure.
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> 
>>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having 
>>> to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a 
>>> feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their 
>>> unwillingness to learn something new.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, 
>>> but so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down 
>>> from the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s 
>>> not that big of a deal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Dennis and Everyone,
 
 Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
 
 I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
 worst, with iPhone release this time around.
 
 I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
 
 Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
 Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
 settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles 
 I've read, recently.
 
 I just don't know, I just don't know.
 
 I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
 going to miss Touch ID.
 
 Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
 couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
 new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Esther Levegnale]

NO KIDDING!  RIGHT?

ESTHER

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Sep 11, 2022, at 10:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
> 
> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
> 
> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, 
> thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device 
> by simply pointing it towards me.
> 
> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
> 
> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
> my phone?"  Wow!
> 
> I just don't like Face ID!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
>> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
>> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
>> learn something new.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but 
>> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from 
>> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not 
>> that big of a deal.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>>> 
>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles 
>>> I've read, recently.
>>> 
>>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>>> going to miss Touch ID.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>>> iPhone 14.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully 
>>> they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the 
>>> USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did 
>>> this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
>>> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should 

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Esther Levegnale]

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, and 
was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick 
to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers?  
Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

I feel so badly for you.

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
> 
> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
> 
> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, 
> thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device 
> by simply pointing it towards me.
> 
> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
> 
> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
> my phone?"  Wow!
> 
> I just don't like Face ID!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
>> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
>> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
>> learn something new.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but 
>> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from 
>> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not 
>> that big of a deal.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>>> 
>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles 
>>> I've read, recently.
>>> 
>>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>>> going to miss Touch ID.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>>> iPhone 14.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> The phones were 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

I can put my iPhone on Bluetooth to my hearing aids, so I can be out in public 
and put that Detection feature to good use without others hearing it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hey Mitch. So are you really considering the 14 max? I ask because I think the 
14 pro will be roughly the same size. Not quite so large a screen but if you 
don't have useful vision and don't require the extra screen size, going with 
the pro will cost you around the same and you will have the benefit of lidar. 
There might not be much about lidar of interest to you right now, but I believe 
it will be used for more things as time goes on. Myself I can't wait to try 
this door detection thingy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: September 11, 2022 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I ment black Friday lol. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Mitch,
Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  

I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery 
life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size 
would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than 
maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life 
with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one.

I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
improvement.


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my 
long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want 
to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I 
just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things 
were. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 
Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 

Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy 'Fails'

[Dennis Long]

Link at end of article.

Kuo: iPhone 14 Plus Pre-Orders Worse Than iPhone 13 Mini, Product Strategy
'Fails'

Sep. 12th, 2022

The 

iPhone 14

 and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus have seen "bad" pre-order results, indicating that
Apple's positioning of the two new standard models may have failed,
according

to Apple analyst 

Ming-Chi Kuo.

iphone 14 iphone 14 plus in hand

In his 

latest post

 on Medium, Kuo explained that the 

iPhone 14 Pro

 and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max have seen "neutral" and "good" pre-order results
compared to the 

iPhone 13 Pro

 and ‌iPhone 13 Pro‌ Max. Delivery wait times of more than four weeks may
indicate good demand for the new high-end devices. It is apparently
"unclear"

whether Apple will increase shipment forecasts of its Pro models, but there
is a "growing" chance that it will cut orders of the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone

14‌ Plus, which currently account for around 45 percent of the entire
lineup's shipments.

The ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus are expected to be in stock in retail
stores on their launch dates, "reflecting lackluster demand." As it stands,

Kuo says that the pre-order results for the ‌iPhone 14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus
are worse than those of the third-generation 

iPhone SE

 and the 

iPhone 13

 mini. He noted that Apple cut orders of both the third-generation ‌iPhone
SE‌ and the ‌iPhone 13‌ mini in the first half of 2022 due to low demand.

If demand for the two standard models do not improve, Apple may cut ‌iPhone
14‌ and ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus orders as soon as November. Suppliers who are not

major beneficiaries of Apple's ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ models will likely see the
start of declining revenue in September and October as a result.

For ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus, in particular, the "pre-order result is significantly
lower than expected." As a model that effectively 

replaces the "mini" form factor

 in the latest 

iPhone

 lineup, with 6.1-inch and 6.7-inch display sizes now being the only
options, Kuo said that "Apple's product segmentation strategy for standard
models

fails this year."

All four of the ‌iPhone 14‌ models were announced by Apple last week and
have been available to pre-order since September 9. The ‌iPhone 14‌, ‌iPhone
14

Pro‌, and ‌iPhone 14 Pro‌ Max are set to launch on Friday, September 16, and
the ‌iPhone 14‌ Plus will launch on Friday, October 7.

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/12/kuo-iphone-14-plus-worse-than-iphone-13
-mini/

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why I don't like face ID

[Dennis Long]

There are a few reasons.  1 for what Mark and Donna brought up.

2 If I am laying down I can't get it to reliably work.  I really wish Apple
would give us the choice.

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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>> iPhone 14.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
>> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC 
>> than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this 
>> year I think a lot of people won't upgrade.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
>> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Hey Mitch. So are you really considering the 14 max? I ask because I think the 
14 pro will be roughly the same size. Not quite so large a screen but if you 
don't have useful vision and don't require the extra screen size, going with 
the pro will cost you around the same and you will have the benefit of lidar. 
There might not be much about lidar of interest to you right now, but I believe 
it will be used for more things as time goes on. Myself I can't wait to try 
this door detection thingy.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: September 11, 2022 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I ment black Friday lol. From Mich.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Mitch,
Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  

I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery 
life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size 
would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than 
maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life 
with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one.

I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
improvement.


Richard
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礪

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Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still 

Re: Amazon Music routing through Ear

[chaim biberfeld]

Wow! That really worked! Thank you again

Chaim Biberfeld, LCSW-R
Private Practice
917-902-3349

thegototherapist.com 

> On Sep 11, 2022, at 10:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> This is an excellent answer, Donna.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
> Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Amazon Music routing through Ear
> 
> Chaim, Yes, the question was answered. Open the Amazon music app, close the 
> app sending it to the app switcher, open the app switcher, then open the 
> Amazon music app. You should now hear voiceover coming from the phone speaker 
> instead of the phone ear piece. Swipe to the more tab & tap to open, swipe to 
> settings & tap to open, swipe to hands free & tap to turn this off if it is 
> on or turn on if it is off. This setting depends on how you have the Hands 
> Free setting in the Amazon Alexa app set. If you have Hands Free on in the 
> Alexa app, Hands Free needs to be off in the Amazon music app. If Hands Free 
> is off in the Alexa app, it needs to be on in the Amazon music app. Hope this 
> makes sense.
> 
> Donna
> 
> 
> Was this question answered? When I use Amazon music I lose volume of through 
> loudspeaker, it gets rounded to to ear piece. Any solutions?
> Chaim Biberfeld, LCSW-R
> Private Practice
> tel:917-902-3349
> 
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