Re: Contracted Braille or computer Braille as entry choice via Braille display on iphone

[Aman Singer]

Hi,
Keep in mind, if you will, that the setting is easily switched with a
2-3-6-chord. I do switch it often. Generally, the greatest advantage
of computer braille for me is easier editing, I know that each cell
represents a character and don't have to concern myself with
contractions or case. That is, if I want to add a letter to the end of
a word, for example a d, I need not bother with a letter sign and
simply hit d. I will not get do, but rather d, and am sure I am going
to get that. Each method of entry has its place, I think, particularly
since one can swap back and forth.
HTH,
Aman


On 10/20/15, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> From various discussions I've followed here regarding entering text with a
> Braille display on an iOS device, I see that some of you have got the
> Braille entry set to computer Braille.  Are there advantages to having it
> set this way?  I'm still relatively new to using Braille display with an
> iphone so I'm still pretty shaky and uncertain on what I'm doing.
>
> Many thanks for any tips.
>
> Andrew
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Re: Remote desk top apps?

[Aman Singer]

Hi Brent,

You are quite right, but keep in mind that for Kim to use the database
through Jump Desktop or any of the other remote desktop apps mentioned
in the original message, it would be necessary to have a screen reader
installed on the system. That is, some talking thing is going to have
to be on the server anyhow, whether what's needed is simply a remote
desktop app or the specific methods used by Jaws or NVDA. It makes no
difference what remote desktop method is used or from where it is
used, a screen reader is going to have to be on the server.
HTH.
Aman

On 10/15/15, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> NVDA and JFW remote desktop support would require those screen readers to
> also be installed on the server as well. Although this would seem like a
> reasonable accomodation for a place to do, since the server doesn't need a
> license separate from the client you access it from, I heard that actually
> getting them to agree and install it is another issue.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aman Singer" <aman.sin...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Remote desk top apps?
>
>
>> Hello Kim,
>>
>> I used, and still use when I can properly hear speech, Jump's remote
>> desktop app. Their Bluetooth keyboard support is excellent, everything
>> just works. They do stream audio from the remote machine but you will
>> have the usual problem with remote desktop apps, the audio streaming
>> of screen readers is significantly delayed and sometimes breaks up.
>> That, of course, makes using the PC on the other side of the
>> connection painfully slow in some cases and absolutely hopeless in
>> others. If you really want access to your machine remotely, you may
>> want to try getting a small windows machine and using either NVDA's
>> remote access add-on or Jaws' remote desktop support.
>> I hope that's of use.
>> Aman
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/15, Kim Samco <ksa...@me.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My sighted coworkers use the following apps to access the company
>>> database
>>> from their iPhones and/or iPads.  These apps are relatively expensive so
>>>
>>> I'd
>>> like to know if they are accessible before I buy.  Anyone have any
>>> experience with any of these?
>>>
>>> 1.  Jump
>>>
>>> 2.  Rd client
>>>
>>> 3.  Tap rdp
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
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Re: Remote desk top apps?

[Aman Singer]

Hello Kim,

I used, and still use when I can properly hear speech, Jump's remote
desktop app. Their Bluetooth keyboard support is excellent, everything
just works. They do stream audio from the remote machine but you will
have the usual problem with remote desktop apps, the audio streaming
of screen readers is significantly delayed and sometimes breaks up.
That, of course, makes using the PC on the other side of the
connection painfully slow in some cases and absolutely hopeless in
others. If you really want access to your machine remotely, you may
want to try getting a small windows machine and using either NVDA's
remote access add-on or Jaws' remote desktop support.
I hope that's of use.
Aman


On 10/15/15, Kim Samco  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My sighted coworkers use the following apps to access the company database
> from their iPhones and/or iPads.  These apps are relatively expensive so I'd
> like to know if they are accessible before I buy.  Anyone have any
> experience with any of these?
>
> 1.  Jump
>
> 2.  Rd client
>
> 3.  Tap rdp
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kim
>
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Re: Anker Battery Packs

[Aman Singer]

Hi,

There is no support required. USB is standardized. At worst, and with
the Anker packs this should not happen, charging may be slower than
from the wall. However, with the Anker packs, even this shouldn't be a
problem. You should get full charge speed. Because USB is standard at
5 volt from 500-3000 MA, and because devices can talk to each other
and agree on the charging rate, any device that charges from USB
should be fine without the risk of overpowering or otherwise damaging
the device.
HTH,
Aman

 e:
> I wish to purchase an Anker Battery Pack for my iPhone 6 Plus.  Does anyone
> know if the Anker Packs are supported for this new iPhone yet?  Thanks.
>
> Les
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Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

[Aman Singer]

Hi Sieghard,

I don't see any, and can't really thinhk of any besides possibly
spelling issues and other text formatting. I would be stunned if Siri
had any problems, affter all, people with their region set to United
States will travel around the world and want to use Siri. Similarly,
the developer guide for language/region doesn't mention anything that
sounds too vital
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPInternational/SpecifyingPreferences/SpecifyingPreferences.html
I haven't had any issues myself, of course.
Sorry not to have been more conclusive, I would be interested in
anyone else's experiences.
Aman

On 9/19/15, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> Hi Aman,
>
> Can you think of any disadvantages with respect to setting your region to
> United States, e.g. will it have an impact on SIRI not finding things etc.?
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Aman Singer
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple
>
> Hi,
> I think the News app is more or less an RSS reader with Apple spying
> built in. It's quite a nice and accessible reader, I like it, but I
> don't see anything that can't be gotten elsewhere fairly comfortably.
> Note that it might be more worth-while for us because it is very
> accessible both with braille and speech.  Having said that, and if you
> don't mind any information sharing issues, you can get the news app
> fairly easily despite not being in the United States. I have tried the
> app in Canada without difficulties. To get it, use the instructions at
> http://www.cultofmac.com/328592/how-to-get-ios-9s-news-app-outside-the-u-s/
> The article mentions the beta, but this works fine on iOS 9's final
> version on my 5S. Basically, the instructions are to go to settings,
> general, region/language, and then, under the region and formats
> heading, tap the button to select your region. tap "united states",
> then done, then reboot the phone. The news app should show up on the
> home screen. Obviously, you'll be stuck with US regional defaults if
> you do this, but these are not significant, in my view.
> I hope all that is of use.
> Aman
>
> 15, Ketan Kothari <muktake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> On 16th of Sept. IOS 9 got launched and one of the biggest features that
>> was
>> being touted was the News app.  I am sad to report that this app (which
>> should not cost anything extra to Apple or have any other legal issues)
>> is
>> not available in India.  I was looking forward to it.  I am sure India is
>> also one of the markets that Apple is viewing as its primary market and
>> neither Apple maps nor apps like the News apps are made available to
>> Indian
>> consumers.  Having said this, it is to be remembered that Apple does not
>> charge nothing less than the global price of Iphone or Ipad from its
>> Indian
>> consumers.  I feel that this is an important issue and should be conveyed
>> to
>> Apple through its website as well as social media.
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
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Re: IOS 9 and big brotherly attitude of Apple

[Aman Singer]

Hi,
I think the News app is more or less an RSS reader with Apple spying
built in. It's quite a nice and accessible reader, I like it, but I
don't see anything that can't be gotten elsewhere fairly comfortably.
Note that it might be more worth-while for us because it is very
accessible both with braille and speech.  Having said that, and if you
don't mind any information sharing issues, you can get the news app
fairly easily despite not being in the United States. I have tried the
app in Canada without difficulties. To get it, use the instructions at
http://www.cultofmac.com/328592/how-to-get-ios-9s-news-app-outside-the-u-s/
The article mentions the beta, but this works fine on iOS 9's final
version on my 5S. Basically, the instructions are to go to settings,
general, region/language, and then, under the region and formats
heading, tap the button to select your region. tap "united states",
then done, then reboot the phone. The news app should show up on the
home screen. Obviously, you'll be stuck with US regional defaults if
you do this, but these are not significant, in my view.
I hope all that is of use.
Aman

15, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> On 16th of Sept. IOS 9 got launched and one of the biggest features that was
> being touted was the News app.  I am sad to report that this app (which
> should not cost anything extra to Apple or have any other legal issues) is
> not available in India.  I was looking forward to it.  I am sure India is
> also one of the markets that Apple is viewing as its primary market and
> neither Apple maps nor apps like the News apps are made available to Indian
> consumers.  Having said this, it is to be remembered that Apple does not
> charge nothing less than the global price of Iphone or Ipad from its Indian
> consumers.  I feel that this is an important issue and should be conveyed to
> Apple through its website as well as social media.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Ketan
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Re: Can anyone recommend a good full-size external bluetooth keybboard that works well with IPad?

[Aman Singer]

Hello Brian and all,

The Keys to go is available at BestBuy. I would try it first, the
typing on it always seemed to be very mushy for me, but that's
strictly personal preference. The Logitech k810/k811 is available at
http://www.canadacomputers.com
or
http://www.ncix.com
I hope that's of use.
Aman

On 9/11/15, Brian Moore  wrote:
> and where might I find me one of these in Canada?
> I baught one of those ones everyone was talking about that could pair
> with 6 devices and it was awesome for about two weeks and then z a q and
> 1 all failed.  very odd because tab and caps lock work but left column
> of letter keys failed which makes this thing useless and shipping to the
> states for an rma with customs fun etc would cost more than the thing
> was worth.  it cost me 50 bucks canadian.
>
> Contact me on skype: brian.moore
> follow me on twitter:
> http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
>
> On 09/10/2015 10:04 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
>> http://www.applevis.com/reviews/bluetooth-keyboards/logitech-keys-go-bluetooth-keyboard-excelent
>>
>> Dimensions: 5.39" by 9.53" by 0.24" That's right, it's only a
>> quarter-inch thick.
>>
>> not exactly full-size, but big enough I have no trouble typing on it
>> at full speed.
>>
>> At 05:14 AM 9/10/2015, you wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Just wondered if anyone has any recommendations  for a good
>>> full-sized external bluetooth keyboard that would work  well with
>>> IPad? My current one has finally given up on me, and despite trying
>>> everything I can think of itt just doesn't want to work any more. So
>>> I'm going to have to get a new one. So any recommendations of good
>>> products would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Eleanor
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Question about getting books on your iPhone to use with voice dream

[Aman Singer]

Hi,
Besides dropbox, books can also be imported to VoiceDream  from the computer 
through Itunes. You can also email files to yourself and open  them from the 
message. All this, like dropbox, applies to the zip files from bookshare. You 
need not unzip the files before sending them. 
Finally, just in case your friend  can get them from the phone if it's a bit 
easier than Safari, keep in mind that voiceDream  can import from bookshare 
directly.
HTH,
Aman



> On Sep 7, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> If you have book share books downloaded onto your computer, is there a way to 
> load them onto the iPhone so that you can play them with voice dream? If so, 
> this would be very helpful for a friend who has multiple physical 
> disabilities.
> 
> Thanks.Kristeen
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Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

[Aman Singer]

Hi Jim and all,

I have used both devices. The Smart beetle (SB) I returned, the VarioUltra (VU) 
I am currently trying. I have split this message into two parts. First, to 
respond to your request, Jim, about the differences, and the second to say why 
I gave up on the SB.
1.  The obvious differences. 
a.  The SB sells for $1300 USD for 14 cells. The VU cells for $2500 USD for 
20 cells and a greater amount for 40 cells, though obviously the 40 cell unit 
cannot be compared to the SB. 
B.  The VU has note taker/file reader/timer functions, which are quite 
good, but keep in mind that you can buy a note taker for $100 or less these 
days. The note taker is icing, but it's nice to have a cake with icing. The 
note taker generally works well. 
C.  Keep in mind that though both devices connect to multiple Bluetooth 
senders, the SB will emulate a keyboard and a braille display, while the VU 
will only work as a braille display. This is a serious shortcoming of the VU, 
you are stuck with the limited set of braille commands provided by your screen 
reader of choice with the VU, you are not so stuck with the SB. Further, if 
your screen reader crashes, that's the end of your display's usefulness until 
you bring it back up from the keyboard when using the VU. With the SB, you 
switch to keyboard mode, bring your reader back up, and are back in business in 
braille.
2. the non-obvious differences. 
A.  The VU's firmware is more reliable than the SB's code. The VU has never 
rebooted on me, loses connection quite rarely, and otherwise behaves better. 
This was the main reason I returned the SB, I've explained this in greater, I 
hope not too painfully greater, detail below.
B.  The support at Baum is, in my respectful view, better than that at 
Hims. This is not so much a difference in the people, all the support people 
I've dealt with, both at Baum and Hims, have been excellent and have done their 
best, but Baum seems to be interested in supporting the device they have a list 
on which many people from the company post, they return phone calls and emails, 
and so on, whereas the people at Hims are doing their best but seem not to have 
sufficient data. 
C.  The VU generally seems more polished and reacts more quickly to 
commands than the SB. The VU works, at the moment, better with iOS devices, 
though this advantage will, I hope, soon disappear with the SB being put in 
Apple's roster of braille displays. See my third issue about iOS below for a 
better explanation. 
D.  The vu has a lock function. The SB does not. I simply don't understand 
what the people at Hims were thinking when they didn't include this. 
E.  The VU has poorer battery life than the SB. Note that both charge by 
USB, battery life with the cheap and easy USB batteries out there is simply not 
an issue for most people though it may be for people who want every inch of 
space and want to lighten what they carry. Personally, I'm carrying three USB 
batteries anyway (computer, FM system, iPhone). 
F.  The SB has fewer shortcuts, particularly for switching between devices, 
than the VU does. Generally, the VU handles its keyboard better, there are 
shortcuts for everything and they are simple enough to learn. The SB, though it 
has fewer functions and could have put in shortcuts for them, generally 
doesn't.
3.  Personal preferences. 
A.  I like the size and shape of the keys more, they are larger and more 
distinct, on the SB. I like the spacing and positioning of the keys, they are 
more convenient to type on, on the VU. The VU designers had more space to work 
with, and they worked with it well, the keys are laid out with the space under 
the display, the keys above it, and shaped to fit the hand. On the SB, the 
keys, though larger, feel like they are crammed in. The joystick on the VU is a 
better navigational instrument than is available on the SB. 
B.  The braille is of a higher quality, in my view, on the VU. There is 
nothing wrong with the braille on the SB, it's just that the braille on the VU 
is better on my fingers at least.
C.  I like the solidity of the VU it seems more solidly built than the SB. 
I have yet to drop the devices on a concrete floor, and frankly don't plan to. 
The SB feels chunkier than the VU, the VU feels thinner and may be a bit 
lighter.

Here's what drove me away from the SB, which I initially preferred 
because of price and size:
1. Most importantly, it didn't work properly. It would have a hard time 
maintaining Bluetooth connectivity with one device, let alone multiple devices. 
When I called Hims for support, I was informed that it had not been properly 
tested with computers, but rather was expected to be used with smaller devices. 
I was also informed that firmware updates while in the field were probably not 
happening. I hope that's not true, but I didn't want to take the risk, there is 
allot of room for changes in the unit and if 

Re: What is GPRS

[Aman Singer]

Hi,
GPRS is a slower, I think it would only qualify as 2G, data service.
It stands for general packet radio service and the Wikipedia page
gives a good overview
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Packet_Radio_Service
I believe, though this is relying on very old memories, that the
maximum speed is something like 300 kilobits/second. I wouldn't try to
watch youtube with it. It may get your email, though slowly.
Aman

On 8/14/15, Agent086b agent0...@internode.on.net wrote:
 Hi all,
 my provider is upgrading our service out here to 4G. At times when I look at
 the signal strength my provider’s name then next instead of 3G or 4G I hear
 GPRS. Can anybody explain the GPRS?
 Thanks for any advice.
 Max.

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RE: Iphones no longer secure

[Aman Singer]

 Touch Id if your device supports it is a no brainer even if 
you just use it because it's faster and easier to unlock the phone than finding 
and double tapping the Unlock button. I have to press the home button even if I 
don't have any security enabled so I might as well press it and leave my finger 
on it for a second so it unlocks my phone with Touch Id. In some ways not using 
it would be like not locking your car because after all, a professional and 
skilled auto thief will be able to steal it whether it's locked or not.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 11:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphones no longer secure

Hi Jeremy and all,

Around fifteen years ago now, someone at Microsoft wrote something he called 
the ten immutable laws of security 
https://technet.microsoft.com/library/cc722487.aspx
The whole thing is worth reading, but one of the laws or more accurately 
descriptions, says:

Law #3: If a bad guy has unrestricted physical access to your computer, it's 
not your computer anymore

A smartphone is nothing more or less than a computer. The passcode/fingerprint 
is simply security theatre, it makes things look secure and may be secure 
against someone who doesn't have Google, but it is not secure in fact. Once the 
phone is in the hands of someone who wants and is willing to bypass the 
security, nothing is secure in fact, it only depends on how much trouble the 
attacker is willing to go to.
As to this particular method of attack, the user can simply make sure Siri 
doesn't work on the lock screen. Again, though, it doesn't much matter, there 
are other methods. Keep your phone with you and, in most cases, you need not 
worry about physical access without your knowing about it. This is one of the 
reasons why I have no passcode on my phone, it offers very little extra 
security but does offer an inconvenience when I want to unlock the phone. I do 
not keep any secure data on my phone, any data that I object to the public 
having access to, simply because the chance of theft is too high and, as we 
see, the passcode is not of much use.
Aman

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Re: Iphones no longer secure

[Aman Singer]

Hi Jeremy and all,

Around fifteen years ago now, someone at Microsoft wrote something he
called the ten immutable laws of security
https://technet.microsoft.com/library/cc722487.aspx
The whole thing is worth reading, but one of the laws or more
accurately descriptions, says:

Law #3: If a bad guy has unrestricted physical access to your
computer, it's not your computer anymore

A smartphone is nothing more or less than a computer. The
passcode/fingerprint is simply security theatre, it makes things look
secure and may be secure against someone who doesn't have Google, but
it is not secure in fact. Once the phone is in the hands of someone
who wants and is willing to bypass the security, nothing is secure in
fact, it only depends on how much trouble the attacker is willing to
go to.
As to this particular method of attack, the user can simply make sure
Siri doesn't work on the lock screen. Again, though, it doesn't much
matter, there are other methods. Keep your phone with you and, in most
cases, you need not worry about physical access without your knowing
about it. This is one of the reasons why I have no passcode on my
phone, it offers very little extra security but does offer an
inconvenience when I want to unlock the phone. I do not keep any
secure data on my phone, any data that I object to the public having
access to, simply because the chance of theft is too high and, as we
see, the passcode is not of much use.
Aman

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RE: Iphones no longer secure

[Aman Singer]

 attack is less painful than the 
death of a thousand cuts. Great as far as it goes but it doesn't go too far. I 
should also say that the iPhone is not at all secure against Apple themselves. 
The amount of data they can collect makes me shudder. If I weren't blind, I 
would never use such a thing.
You write:
Additionally, with all due respect, whilst we could debate the definition of 
secure data, I'd wager that you might not be aware of quite how much data iOS 
stores without making it overly clear to you.

You're probably right, there is probably data that is being saved that 
I don't know about, though I do try to keep up. I have, not uncharitably, been 
described as a privacy nut. My concerns, such as they are, are not of the thief 
getting that data, as I said, theft of the phone isn't too much of a problem, 
but of it leaking to advertisers and others over the network, I have no doubt 
that's happening. As to the two items you mention, passwords and contacts, the 
first thing I would do if any phone with saved passwords, for wireless networks 
or anything else, went missing is to change those passwords. I would do that 
whether I did or didn't have a passcode on the phone, there would be no reason 
to take the risk of those passwords getting out even if I had a passcode and 
thought the passcode was secure. As to my travels, they're open to anyone who 
wants them, any private travels would mean that I should leave my phone at 
home. As to contacts, I keep them in my head, not on the phone.
Finally, let me say that it's a pleasure to find someone who has 
actually thought about these things, most people don't even think about what is 
on their phone, they just apply the quickest security method and leave it 
there. 
Aman
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphones no longer secure

Hi,

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with a number of your points. You said:

On 4/26/15, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:
 A smartphone is nothing more or less than a computer. The 
 passcode/fingerprint is simply security theatre, it makes things look 
 secure and may be secure against someone who doesn't have Google, but 
 it is not secure in fact. Once the phone is in the hands of someone 
 who wants and is willing to bypass the security, nothing is secure in 
 fact, it only depends on how much trouble the attacker is willing to 
 go to.
Not security theater at all. If you are seriously insinuating that a casual 
Google search will allow your run of the mill mugger to bypass your passcode 
and or touch ID in a way that allows them to access your data then I'd be very 
interested in hearing some specifics. Lets not forget that the hardware hack 
that got a lot of media attention a month or so ago no longer works.
As a side note, I'd wager that my iPhone is more secure than your average 
computer due to the amount of control that Apple has at a very low level.
 This is one of the reasons why I have no passcode on my phone, it 
 offers very little extra security but does offer an inconvenience when 
 I want to unlock the phone. I do not keep any secure data on my phone, 
 any data that I object to the public having access to, simply because 
 the chance of theft is too high and, as we see, the passcode is not of 
 much use.
Whilst I agree that to a certain extent where there's a will there's a way, 
unless you've been annoying any 4 letter agencies, I personally feel that 
saying that a passcode offers very little extra security is incorrect. Lets not 
forget that the workaround that was posted to the list has now been proven to 
be ineffective.
Additionally, with all due respect, whilst we could debate the definition of 
secure data, I'd wager that you might not be aware of quite how much data iOS 
stores without making it overly clear to you.
For example, do you really consider your wireless network password/s, where 
you've traveled to and any contact information data that you wouldn't mind 
sharing with the public?

Cheers,
Ben.

 Aman

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RE: Looking for a keyboard for my iPhone 6 that has a toggle on off switch

[Aman Singer]

Hi Neal,

 

If I may ask, does the keyboard have to fold, or can it be 
rigid? Also, do you care about specific hotkeys? For non-folding, I really like 
the Logitech K81x keyboards (they have the k810 and k811). They have the on-off 
switch, they can use several devices at a time, and the key feel is, in my very 
subjective view, very nice. It just feels like you’re typing on keys rather 
than on mush. The same may be said of the Logitech K480, but it’s a good deal 
bigger than the k81x units and has a ledge. Both can unlock the iPhone nicely 
and operate the unit with hotkeys if you want them. I am tempted to argue that 
the K81x and K480 have keys that are as good or better than the Apple board, 
but again, this is subjective. 

If you want a folding one, try the Amtop folding bluetooth keyboard. It’s nice 
and cheap, the key feel is good, it has a switch, and it’s generally a good 
unit. I returned it because I didn’t like the key spacing, but I suspect most 
people would like it. I have not used it for a long period, though, whereas I 
think my K810 is nearly two years old, and I am very hard on keyboards.

HTH.

Aman

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 2:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Looking for a keyboard for my iPhone 6 that has a toggle on off switch

 

Hi all. The subject says it all. I have the apple Bluetooth keyboard with the 
end push button for on and off. I have to take out the batteries every time I 
put it in my equipment case else the button at the end is often pressed to the 
on position and my keyboard starts talking to my iPhone.

 

Someone told me about the Logitech keys to go keyboard which does have a slide 
switch, but it is a keyboard under a membrane. Evidently the keys are able to 
be felt, but I don’t know how hard it would be to type on it. I like the fact 
that it is rechargeable and the battery is supposed to last for months. Does 
anyone use this keyboard, or are there others you might suggest that have a 
toggle with for on and off?

 

Thanks much for your help.

 

Neal

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Re: Hearing Aids and iPhone 6+

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
Do the hearing aids have a telecoil an FM receiver, or direct audio
input  built in? If you or the person using them is not sure, ask the
vendor, they are sure to know. If the aids do have a telecoil, which
is the most common feature, or the rarer FM receiver, it may well be
quite simple to use the current aids with the iOS device. If they
don't, it may be a bit more difficult, but may be manageable through
other more costly methods.
Aman

On 2/7/15, Mauricio Molina mauriciohmol...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,



 I am attempting to assist an individual who has a profound hearing
 impairment as well as a visual impairment. Even with hearing aids, I must
 speak rather loudly to be heard by this individual. This individual is in
 their mid-eighties, on a limited income, and does not read Braille. I
 suspect they currently have low-end hearing aids but am not certain. And
 while I have written to and received suggestions from
 accessibil...@apple.com, I wondered if anyone on this list with a hearing
 impairment has any suggestions. I would especially like to receive
 information from anyone who is actually using their recommended solution or
 knows of someone who is. If high-end hearing aids are recommended, such as
 those suggested by the Apple folks, I would appreciate which model hearing
 aid and the cost of acquiring the recommended aids.



 For all who can assist, I thank you in advance.



 Mauricio

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Re: Ipad keyboard question.

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Hi.
There is a keyboard dock which contains a keyboard and into which the
iPad plugs through its charging port. There is also a camera kit for
the iPad and people have reported that this kit, which basically puts
a USB port on the iPad, supports plugging in keyboards. Both the kit
and the dock are probably available from Apple.
HTH.
Aman

On 4/30/14, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello list,
 please is there a keyboard for Ipad that is not connected via bluetooth,
 but via cable through charging port?
 My mom has a tablet (it is not an Ipad, but some android) and she had a
 case for it. The case had built-in keyboard and USB cable for the
 keyboard to be plugged to the USB port.
 I am just wondering if something like that exists for ipads.
 Thank you.
 With kind regards.
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Re: book formats and apps

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Hi.
Epub will be handled by both iBooks and VoiceDream natively. Just
import them as usual and you should be able to start reading
instantly.
As for Mobi, these can easily be converted to Epub, either on your
machine or online. For conversion on your machine, see
http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/ebook-convert.html
and for conversion online, see
http://www.zamzar.com
note that the security and privacy of the online services cannot be
guaranteed, as with all online services.
HTH.
Aman



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 the ibooks store and amazon.  Can I somehow import them into ibooks and
 kindle?  Will voice dream handle these formats as well?
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Re: book formats and apps

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Hi, Gary and all.
Calibre's backend can be used, at least for conversions, in two ways.
The GUI is, to the best of my knowledge, completely inaccessible. Note
that some people seem to have managed to do some basic operations with
NVDA, but these are mainly working blindly with keyboard shortcuts. I
would not call this accessibility.
The command line program, however, ebook-convert, is accessible and
can be used both from the command line itself and from batch/script
files like any other command. It can, therefore, be used to convert
mobi to epub, I use it for that purpose, both for VoiceDream and
Kurzweil.
HTH.
Aman

On 4/14/14, Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is the first I ever heard that Calibre was accessible.  What version?
 Thanks.

 - Original Message -
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: book formats and apps


 Hi.
 Epub will be handled by both iBooks and VoiceDream natively. Just
 import them as usual and you should be able to start reading
 instantly.
 As for Mobi, these can easily be converted to Epub, either on your
 machine or online. For conversion on your machine, see
 http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/ebook-convert.html
 and for conversion online, see
 http://www.zamzar.com
 note that the security and privacy of the online services cannot be
 guaranteed, as with all online services.
 HTH.
 Aman



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Re: book formats and apps

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Hi, Cait and all.
Yes, VoiceDream is very versatile, I have raised the issue of Mobi
with the author but he doesn't think it would be a good use of
resources to support it and I am tempted to agree, though I would
personally like to be able to send mobi directly to VDR. However, if
people find conversion difficult, they may want to write to support at
voicedream, perhaps if the author gets more people asking for this, he
will think it worth doing.
Aman
On 4/14/14, Caitlyn and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks so much!
 I am finding that voice dream is meeting most of my book needs these days,
 so am glad to see it can do epub as well!
 Cait

 On Apr 14, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi.
 Epub will be handled by both iBooks and VoiceDream natively. Just
 import them as usual and you should be able to start reading
 instantly.
 As for Mobi, these can easily be converted to Epub, either on your
 machine or online. For conversion on your machine, see
 http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/ebook-convert.html
 and for conversion online, see
 http://www.zamzar.com
 note that the security and privacy of the online services cannot be
 guaranteed, as with all online services.
 HTH.
 Aman



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Re: question concerning epub files

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Hi. 
If I may ask, what do you mean when you say importing from mail to iBooks 
doesn't work? It should have, iBooks supports epub well, indeed, iBooks are 
nothing more than epub with Apple's DRM. If you want something else, voicedream 
also supports them. The Kindle app should support mobi files. 
Aman

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 I have a question about epub files.  I downloaded a few, attempted to
 email it to myself, and open it to iBooks.  That didn't work so well.
 Is there a good app for epubs and/or .mobi files?
 
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Re: Choosing Provider

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Hi.
If you're in an area with Wind coverage, I would get their service.
You have to buy the phone outright, but you can buy either the 5C or
5S and your bill for unlimited everything except international
long-distance will be under $40. If you get it from Bell, Rogers, or
Telus, which is available in Ontario, BTW, you will pay a good deal
more for a more limited service in everything but coverage area. If
you don't want to use Wind, or can't, you may want to look at the
providers which are sub-brands, as it were. These are Koodo, Virgin,
and Fido (Also, perhaps, chattr). You may well be able, again by
buying the phone outright, to get a decent plan.
I hope that's of use.
Aman

On 12/26/13, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:
 I am in Alberta and we have both carriers. The one you select will depend
 somewhat on what you use the phone for, who is your provider for other tv or
 Internet services, etc. You can bundle your services and save money. Also
 check the Christmas offerings that are available on both of their websites
 to see what your best deal is is.

 I hope this helps.

 Bob Fenton

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 26, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote:

 Hi folks.
 I'm in southern Ontario Canada and about to get my first iPhone. The 16GB
 5S is on sale with two-year contract for $49 at Future Shop/Best Buy.
 However, I have to decide between Bell, Rogers, and Telus. (Not sure if
 Telus is available in Ontario).

 Anyway, for those of you in Ontario, who do you think I should go with?
 Bell or Rogers?

 thanks
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Re: Voice Dream Reader and encrypted daisy

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I'd be overjoyed to have this capability as well, and have sent a
request to Winston. It would be great if others would send such a
request, in case he isn't reading these threads,
wins...@voicedream.com
 Archive.org has a few million books available to everyone and
somewhere between 25 and 50 books in encrypted format for
blind users using the NLS encryption system. At the moment, these are
locked up, particularly from those of us who need braille, by the fact
that most of the players which support them focus on audio. It would
be great to have VDR or some other player allow the reading of the
public archive.org books and extraordinarily good to have it read the
encrypted texts.
Aman


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 could read books from open library with voice dream reader!

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 These seem to be some odd encryption/obfuscation method used by
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 the files from archive.org on VDR, which would be wonderful, and
 generally asking what encrypted files meant in this context. He
 explained as follows:

 Theses are DAISY files with encrypted file names used mainly in Europe.
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Re: Voice Dream Reader and encrypted daisy

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These seem to be some odd encryption/obfuscation method used by
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Theses are DAISY files with encrypted file names used mainly in Europe.
Aman



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Re: VoiceDream and James

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Would anyone be able to speed up the James voice and tell us if it
gets at all choppy or breaks up at high speeds?
Thanks.
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On 12/4/13, Wil James w...@wilanddenise.com wrote:
 If I could gift that to Denise, I would. I did gift heard the app Sunday,
 and I wish voices were an option to do so. She likes to male voices over the
 female voices anyway, as do I.


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 On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Rick Alfaro rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Les,

 Totally agree. Best male voice I've heard yet hands down. Definitely worth
 the $3.



 Best Regards,

 Rick alfaro

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Re: VO not holding focus.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Sandy.
Allow me to second Chris' suggestion about the reduce motion setting
in accessibility. I don't know how much vision you have, but this is
strictly a visual effect and, besides somewhat reducing battery life,
I found just the same problems you did when reduce motion was off.
Once I turned it on, the problems seem to be either resolved or so
close to being resolved that I don't notice them. Note that this isn't
just a touch screen thing, as you note, the keyboards had the same
issue as do braille displays.
Secondly, as to batteries, besides Sieghard's suggestion about
applications, it may be worth giving an external battery a try. These
have grown much smaller and much cheaper over the past few years, and
you can triple your iPhone battery life for €30 or so if you don't
mind carrying a small device around.
HTH.
Aman

On 10/16/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi again,

 A year ago, I had planned to sell my old iPhone 4 when I got my new 4s.
 However, because I use these devices as my computer. Reading books, doing
 crosswords, searching the net, email and all that stuff, I decided to hold
 on to the old phone to share out the battery power. I decided not to update
 the 4  to ios7, it has, of course, downloaded, but is sitting waiting for me
 to give the go ahead. Well, having started life as an ios7 fan, and I do
 still like many of the bells and whistles, I have to say that for many of my
 favourite activities, I am going back to my old 4. I mentioned, in the below
 message, that I can not longer do the Guardian Cryptic Crossword on my 4s
 with 7. Well, I just took a look on the 4 and what do you think, I can do
 the CW just as I always could. So, this is definitely a 7 bug for VO and it
 is, as far as I can judge, something that affects many applications and
 website functions.

 Finally, I have turned off all the relevant settings that will drain the
 battery on my 44s running 7, and still find that the battery drains at an
 alarming rate!

 pity 'tis true, but until these issues are addressed, I shall be using
 my old 4 for the forseeable future.

 Sandy.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 16 Oct 2013, at 10:58, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 HI,

I think there is a genuine problem, using ios7 on my iPhone 4s. For
 example, one of my pleasures in life is to do the Cryptic Crossword in the
 Gardian, most days: until now, I have been able to do this using the
 online app that is used on the website of the paper together with vo.
 However, this has become increasingly flaky. This morning, it seems, that
 I cannot do it at all! I don't undrstand why this should have got worse,
 but it does eem to have done so. I have performed a reset, the one with
 the power and home buttons, but this hasn't fixed anything.

Also, when sending a message, such as this one, I type vip into the
 to field and am offered the address for this list, but once havingt
 selected it, especially, when using my BT keyboard, I cannot move away
 from that field, I have to touch the screen to get vo to focus anew and
 then I can use the arrow keys or flick to find the edit field for the
 subject line.

I know that people have mentioned the problems with focusing, here on
 this list before, I just wanted to say that I am still finding this, after
 having played with the latest update since the first day it came out. I
 wanted to give it time to see what was a bug and what was user error, and
 I have to say that this is definitely not user error. Neither do I think
 it a bug for non vo users,, so it is unlikely to be addressed by apple,
 unless we make them aware of it. However, I am always loath to submit a
 suspected bug before I have assured myself that others are also
 experiencing the same thing. So, is anyone else have problems with vo
 holding focus?

TIA, Sandy.

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Re: Accessible Koran apps for iPad

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Cara.
There are quite a few Quran apps on the app store, as you can imagine. The one 
I like is IQuran  (iQuran HD for the iPad) but I would not describe it as 
accessible with VO. It is usable but is a bit odd. However, if you are willing 
to put up with some oddness, or if you need enlargement rather than speech, it 
is a stunningly good app.  
Let me raise three issues which the user might want to consider. 
First, the iOS devices all speak Arabic. This means that almost all Quran web 
sites, and there are many such sites, are accessible. Basically, you don't need 
much of an app except for enrichment (translations/study 
notes/interpretations/audible reading/history). As it stands, the only 
reasonably inexpensive way to read Arabic is through an iDevice or a Mac, 
Windows products are either expensive, bad,  impractical, or have a pleasing 
combination of all those qualities. 
Secondly, if the user has partial sight, the iPad screen and font enlargement, 
not to mention zooms, will be excellent and will work well for most apps. Many 
have their own enlargement and, if that isn't of use, Apple's software can be 
brought into play.
Thirdly, keep in mind that the Quran is only in Arabic. That is, though there 
are translations, they are not very valuable.  The best of them will give you 
some of the meaning of some of the text. The worst of them are a mess. I 
mention this because most people who will want to read the text will want to 
read it in Arabic and, as I said, the smoothest and cheapest way to do this 
electronically is through iOS. 
I hope that is of some use, and would welcome additional apps to try. 
Aman

 On Oct 13, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Also you can get copies of DAISY versions of the book where you can navigate 
 by chapter/verse here:
 
 http://guidedogswa.org/books/scriptures/
 
 These are English versions, too, like I may have said navigable down to the 
 verse. There are DAISY audio and DAISY text formats available of several 
 Scriptures. I think the Koran is at the bottom of the page. But at least it's 
 there!
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 13, 2013, at 8:31 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I do not know about apps.
 There are several free and lower cost versions in iBooks.
 Kindle has a free English translation and several others.
 I suspect Nook will also. If they qualify for BookShare, they have several 
 versions as well.
 HTH,
 
 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
 
 On Oct 13, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote:
 
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Re: Accessible Koran apps for iPad

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Gary and all.
This app is not the Quran. It's one schollar's interpretation of the text in 
the Urdu language. It may very well be of use, but it isn't the text and I may 
say that voiceover in this case may well mean simply an audible reading of the 
interpretation rather than the iOS screen reader we all know and.. have at 
least grown to tolerate and give friendly nods to :) 
Aman


 On Oct 13, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Gary Bowers gh...@swbell.net wrote:
 
 Cara,
 
 The following app mentions VO in their description, but there have not been
 a lot of reviews. I don't have the technical skills to assess it, and I know
 next to nothing about the Quran to try it.
 
 You probably found the following link in your own search, but here you go.
 
 Maariful Quran (Audio) for iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch on the iTunes App
 Store: 
 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/maariful-quran-audio/id690705436?mt=8
 
 Gary
 
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 Of Jane
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Accessible Koran apps for iPad
 
 Also you can get copies of DAISY versions of the book where you can navigate
 by chapter/verse here:
 
 http://guidedogswa.org/books/scriptures/
 
 These are English versions, too, like I may have said navigable down to the
 verse. There are DAISY audio and DAISY text formats available of several
 Scriptures. I think the Koran is at the bottom of the page. But at least
 it's there!
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 13, 2013, at 8:31 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I do not know about apps.
 There are several free and lower cost versions in iBooks.
 Kindle has a free English translation and several others.
 I suspect Nook will also. If they qualify for BookShare, they have several
 versions as well.
 HTH,
 
 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
 
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Re: Playing Music From Personal Drive

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Joe and all.
If I may ask, Joe, did you find anything like this? I would be very
pleased if you had as I'm looking for the same thing.
Thanks.
Aman

On 9/7/13, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,



 A couple weeks ago Raul posted information about the Cloud Beats app to
 play
 music from Dropbox and Box. Is there something similar to play music from a
 personal server? I'm looking for something that would let me access folders
 and play continuous tracks like a playlist. Thanks much in advance for any
 suggestions.



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Re: Voice dream reader question

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Hi, Denise.
Thanks for the explanation and I'm sorry I didn't get what you were saying. 
First, you can use the iOS voices with VoiceDream as reading voices. That, as I 
said, is available in the voice store part of the app. For what you're trying 
to do, though, I generally use pages, though this is slow. I would use another 
app since VoiceDream offers no real advantages for this type of work, in my 
view. Where VoiceDream really shines is in the reading of long files aloud and 
occasional stops to look at things in braille. For short files where one may 
want to switch back and forth between braille and speech quite often, as with 
handouts, conference papers, agendas, etc, other apps may do better. I  would 
be pleased to be corrected about this. Sorry again for not getting things clear.
Aman


 On Oct 5, 2013, at 9:23 PM, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Aman,
 Thanks for trying to help me address my issue. I had heard that you could use 
 the ios voices, namely Samantha in my case to read files. And you could thus 
 use your Braille display along with it. So, here's what I was trying to do. I 
 had a bunch of word files in Voice Dream, and I was at a seminar. I was 
 trying to bring them up in the app and use both the speech and Brille 
 depending on the circumstance during the lecture.
 I noticed in the past that even with the read all gesture, I could not use 
 files in voice dream, and therefore, I was asking if I needed to change some 
 setting. I confess that I have not use the app in this way, as I usually use 
 the tts voices just to listen.
 
 On Oct 5, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi.
 If you're using iOS 7, you can use Samantha by selecting it in the
 voice store. If you're using 6.x, you'll probably want to use
 VoiceOver itself, in which case you may want to try iBooks since, to
 my knowledge, the only thing VoiceDream offers to people who want to
 use VoiceOver is better file format support and better ways to add
 books.
 Aman
 
 On 10/5/13, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, but I want to use Samantha the iOS voice and not the voice on the
 program itself. I want to read MBraille but I also want to use that voice
 and want to make sure I read all the text. I have had a little problem with
 that.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi.
 No, you should just need to hit play. Are you having any specific
 difficulties? Is it stopping, for example, or is it crashing?
 Aman
 
 On 10/5/13, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 I am wondering if I have to change any settings to make voice dream
 while
 using the Samantha voice read all of the text from start to finish? Can
 anyone advise? Thank you
 
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Re: Voice dream reader question

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Hi.
No, you should just need to hit play. Are you having any specific
difficulties? Is it stopping, for example, or is it crashing?
Aman

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Re: Voice dream reader question

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Hi.
If you're using iOS 7, you can use Samantha by selecting it in the
voice store. If you're using 6.x, you'll probably want to use
VoiceOver itself, in which case you may want to try iBooks since, to
my knowledge, the only thing VoiceDream offers to people who want to
use VoiceOver is better file format support and better ways to add
books.
Aman

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 No, but I want to use Samantha the iOS voice and not the voice on the
 program itself. I want to read MBraille but I also want to use that voice
 and want to make sure I read all the text. I have had a little problem with
 that.

 Sent from my iPhone

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 Hi.
 No, you should just need to hit play. Are you having any specific
 difficulties? Is it stopping, for example, or is it crashing?
 Aman

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Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Chris and all. 
With respect, Chris, while your points may well be valid for very old computer 
operating systems, I don't see how they  can be valid for iOS. If you're 
thinking about security against adversaries outside Apple, then you already 
have several measures of protection including the app store review process, the 
sandboxing built in to the operating system itself, and the inability for any 
app to obtain root  access which, as those who are trying to jailbreak will 
tell you, is not an easy thing to circumvent. All these apply just as much to 
six as they do  to seven. If your security risk comes from a bad actor inside 
Apple, or from Apple itself, which I would say is the main risk with Apple 
products, then I don't think you can protect yourself while still using iOS. 
After all, the attack may be in the operating system code itself and can be 
just as easily secretly placed in  six as in seven. 
As for support, you will probably want to restore the device before taking it 
to Apple anyhow, and if the device cannot be restored, the device has serious 
hardware issues and the os you're running won't matter to the resolution.  
Finally, in the Apple system backward compatibility is usually excellent. As it 
stands now, you're far more likely to get programs that don't support seven 
properly than those don't support lower operating system versions. 
Aman 
 On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to 
 determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you 
 won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a 
 statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you 
 keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6.
 
 On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote:
 Hi, Sieghard and all.
   I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO,
 the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for
 me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's
 better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then
 it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just
 reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it
 stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular
 user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for
 himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is
 worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to
 hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like
 me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old
 app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is
 displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea.
 Aman
 --Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6
 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone
 of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they
 just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the
 processor of my old iPhone 4.
 But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing  that I feel in
 my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I
 had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to  say
 that Ios 7 brought  many new things, things that will be so helpful for us
 using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7.
 
 -- 
 Christopher (CJ)
 chaltain at Gmail
 
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Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[Aman Singer]

 Hi, Ricardo.
You ask:
but if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why should a 
developer  bother with only ten percent of the user base? 

I would suggest, if I may, that no bothering would be necessary. The code is 
already written and, when new code is written for upgrades, the only code which 
will certainly need modification or even branching will be that which uses 
specifically those features introduced in seven itself. I would think that lack 
of app support will not be a problem for a long time, at least.
Aman  


On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:17 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Sure.  Bqq why would a developer bother with 10% of his potential user base?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there 
 are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I 
 have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a 
 portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. 
 seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there 
 you go.
 
 -eric
 
 On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 I think it depends on what we mean by support.  I don’t think there will be 
 any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here.  In a week, the 
 adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50%  In a month or 2, this 
 rate will more than likely be around 90%.  At that point, I don’t 
 thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 
 6 or not.  So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not 
 too distant future..
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Christopher,
 I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There 
 are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod 
 touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade 
 past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, 
 but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something 
 from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not 
 going to believe it.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to 
 determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so 
 you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen 
 a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if 
 you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6.
 
 On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote:
 Hi, Sieghard and all.
 I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO,
 the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least 
 for
 me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's
 better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, 
 then
 it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs 
 just
 reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it
 stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any 
 particular
 user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for
 himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is
 worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to
 hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's 
 like
 me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the 
 old
 app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is
 displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea.
 Aman
 --Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing 
 iOS 6
 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
 
 Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old 
 iPhone
 of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they
 just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for 
 the
 processor of my old iPhone 4.
 But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing  that I 
 feel in
 my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue 
 that I
 had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to  say
 that Ios 7 brought  many new things, things that will be so helpful for 
 us
 using voice over, and every

RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Sieghard and all.
I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO,
the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for
me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's
better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then
it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just
reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it
stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular
user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for
himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is
worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to
hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like
me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old
app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is
displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea.
Aman
--Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6
holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone
of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they
just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the
processor of my old iPhone 4.
But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing  that I feel in
my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I
had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to  say
that Ios 7 brought  many new things, things that will be so helpful for us
using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7.


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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Mary.
I use a bluetooth streamer to hearing aids as well as a braille
display. The fact that my hearing fluctuates often makes it easier to
use braille and leave my ears open for environmental sounds. In iOS 6,
the voiceover sounds would come through the streamer, activating it
and switching me on to the Bluetooth program when I didn't want to be.
in iOS 7, the voiceover sounds can easily be disabled, and it all
works well. I hate some parts of the new update, the UK voice sounds
like it has just come out of a very nasty meeting with its boss and
you can't seem to see the lock screen notifications with a bluetooth
keyboard, but the loss of the VO sounds makes up for it. Needless to
say, this is entirely specific to me. Other people will have other
views and ought to be able to download and update if and when they
feel like it.
Aman

On 9/26/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm on,
 I couldn't agree with you more. I am curious what the big feature in iOS 7
 is that convinced you to upgrade.
 I myself have not upgraded I don't want to upgrade right now. I have a less
 buggy iOS 6 that works for me. And I am so angry at Apple that if I didn't
 dislike android so much, this stupid move on their part would be enough to
 make me switch over to the other platform. The Sendero upgrade for the GPS
 that works on iOS 7 is not yet out. I am pretty sure there are some other
 apps that also have yet to be upgraded. It is arrogant and controlling
 beyond belief that Apple should force a download onto anybody. What in gods
 name are they thinking? I know this sounds strong, and I suppose it is. But
 really Apple you are going to far this time.
  Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Chris and all.
 I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I
 neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and
 dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has
 one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier
 than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated.
 I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading
 the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program
 because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or
 other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file.
 This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the
 megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep
 space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to
 upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an
 unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over
 it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is,
 therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be
 avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may
 have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7.
 I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which
 are excellent.
 Aman

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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, David.
You write
 When the device is downloading the update in the background, it does not
 necessarily download in one massive spirt. Instead, it breaks up the
 download in to small bits and can take up to days to complete the download.
 As I understand, the upgrade download also only occurs when the iDevice is
 plugged in, locked, and on a wifi network.

That doesn't, with respect, change anything about what I said in the
message below yours, unless I'm missing something. All the reasons I
give for this being an unfortunate move for the user are still present
with staggered downloading, downloading only over wireless, etc, and
downloading when the device is plugged in and locked. These
precautions are enough to avoid legal action, I think, if people got a
$10-20 cellular phone bill, or if their battery was suddenly very low,
the problems might bring enough attention to cause either public
relations or legal trouble, but the precautions are not enough to
prevent this being an imposition on the user. Obviously, if there was
a way to turn this off, there would be no problem.
Aman


On 9/26/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 When the device is downloading the update in the background, it does not
 necessarily download in one massive spirt. Instead, it breaks up the
 download in to small bits and can take up to days to complete the download.
 As I understand, the upgrade download also only occurs when the iDevice is
 plugged in, locked, and on a wifi network.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 27 Sep 2013, at 5:12, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Chris and all.
 I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I
 neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and
 dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has
 one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier
 than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated.
 I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading
 the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program
 because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or
 other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file.
 This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the
 megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep
 space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to
 upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an
 unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over
 it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is,
 therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be
 avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may
 have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7.
 I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which
 are excellent.
 Aman

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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Raul.
You ask
Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
 also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
 without your permission?

I certainly do, I use Windows and Microsoft is well-known for beta
testing their updates on the unfortunate users who have automatic
updates enabled. I do updates manually only, and usually some time
after they're released. This, of course, is more necessary with a
mobile device with their comparitively smaller storage. As for making
the update easier, Apple's strategy here actually doesn't, it just
makes it takes less time at the point of use. Technical and
non-technical users benefit from that equally, I believe, and the
benefit to some users is bought at the cost of difficulties for
others. These difficulties won't, as I said to david, bounce on to
Apple, but that doesn't mean they're not there.
Aman
On 9/26/13, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote:
 Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
 also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
 without your permission? What about those who are more technically
 challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier?

 --
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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Ricardo.
I am sorry to contradict but, respectfully, your examples aren’t
analogous at all. What Apple is doing here is changing the
functionality of already released products by reducing the space
available on already released devices and, incidentally, consuming
user bandwidth without user permission. Your examples all concern the
addition of new functionality or changes to servers owned by companies
providing that functionality. That is, if I want whatever new feature,
or if I want to use a server owned by a company, it is more than
reasonable to demand that I use products x y and z. It’s not only
reasonable but may well be necessary, the results of trying to read
fingerprints without a fingerprint sensor are probably not going to be
very good, and the results of trying to use an LTE network without an
LTE radio are probably going to be just as bad. What people want here
is simply to continue using what they are using now without any
interference. That, in my view, is more than reasonable, and it is the
first time I’ve seen this sort of attempt to impair present
functionality by a company. Keep in mind that people are using Word
Perfect 5.1 and DOS 6.22 to this day. Of course they have no support,
and of course they can’t use functionality on other machines which
requires newer software, but what they’ve always used works as it
always has.
Aman



On 9/26/13, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do stuff like this
 all the time.  For example, if you want IOS 7 but have an iPhone 3GS?  You
 have to at least get your hands on an iPhone 4.  You might love your phone
 but, you want that new update so you get a new phone.

 Or how about internet explorer 10.  You want to have access to certain web
 sites, your still using Windows XP?  You either update tow windows 7 or 8,
 or try to use another web browser.

 This is really nothing new.  The more people that are running the same OS
 or, using the same hardware, makes it easier for developers to push out
 updates and new content.

 Sure, in some cases its a straight money grab.  Other times, companies force
 the issue because they don’t want to support old hardware/software anymore.
 Or, they’re trying to create a more unified experience among their users.

 JMO.

 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Patti Johnson pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree, this is absolutely not right. Nobody makes me do anything I dont'
 want to do, especially something like this.
 If this kind of dictitorial behavior keeps up I'm going to get rid of my
 phone.
 Patti
 On 9/26/2013 11:45 AM, Regina Alvarado wrote:
 If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This
 is not right in my opinion.


 reggie and Allegra

 On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I
 come with some bad news.
 According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA
 update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet,
 with no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the
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 http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/apple-is-automatically-pushing-out-ios-7-to-holdout-devices


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Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Chris and all.
I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I
neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and
dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has
one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier
than it was. If that feature weren't there, I would not have updated.
I have heard of very few things more foolish than Apple's downloading
the update to the devices. People could want to avoid the program
because of the bugs. They could be in a place with a satellite or
other expensive connection and not want to download such a large file.
This would be particularly nasty if the connection charged by the
megabyte. They could have their disk nearly full and need to keep
space open. They could have an older device which they don't want to
upgrade though Apple says it can be upgraded. They could have an
unstable network which may not like having large files downloaded over
it. They could have a network which is constantly in use and is,
therefore, very slow for downloads of large files. They could be
avoiding the update because they like jailbroken devices. They may
have applications which don't work, or don't work properly, on iOS 7.
I could go on. There are tons of reasons not to upgrade, many of which
are excellent.
Aman

On 9/26/13, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good
 move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial
 releases of software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will
 only improve not worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but
 I cope with them and they are not deal breakers for me. I guess some of
 us on here, as well as some of the general public, do not like change.
 Well it's what it is so deal with it. And that's not me being harsh;
 that's me being realistic.

 On 26/09/2013 16:15, Daniel Miller wrote:
 Hello,

 For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I
 come with some bad news.
 According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA
 update to 7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with
 no user consent, and no way to reclaim the lost storage space the update
 uses when downloaded.
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Bard app and books from OpenLibrary

[Aman Singer]

Hi, all.
As I'm sure most know, the internet archive, through its
openlibrary.org site, provides a significant number of books for free
download. Most are out of copyright, but quite a large number, several
hundred thousand, I think, are still in copyright. These are Daisy books
specifically designed for accessibility and are encrypted using the Library
Of Congress encryption system, the same system used to encrypt books which
are downloaded from BARD. I'm wondering if the newly released BARD app can
read these books. Has anyone tried these books, if I may ask, and what have
the results been?
Thanks.
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Re: Locking an iOS device with a braille display.

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Hello. 
I'm sorry to say that I can't help you, I know of no way to lock the device 
with a braille display. However, you write:
 I know there's a way to unlock one, but don't know if there's one to do the 
 opposite.
How does one unlock an iOS device using a braille display if that display is 
standard, that is, if it doesn't present itself as a bluetooth keyboard but 
only as a braille display?
Thanks in advance.
Aman 


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 Hello,
 Is there a way to lock and iOS device with a braille display? I know there's 
 a way to unlock one, but don't know if there's one to do the opposite. Any 
 help on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Bulgarian voice with VO?

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Hi, Sandy.
The question is actually not stupid at all for those of us who don't speak the 
languages in question but who need to put people on the right track in finding 
voices for their particular language. You haven't hit bottom until you tell 
someone, as I did, that you have no idea if a language is supported, but that 
you would be pleased to go through the languages on Skype so he could see for 
himself.
Anyhow, to answer your question, there is, to the best of my knowledge, no 
Bulgarian voice on iOS. To get a list of voices available for the Vocalizer 
engine, which Apple uses, you might like to have a look at 
http://vocalizer-nvda.com
iOS doesn't have all the voices but it's a safe bet that if a language isn't 
available there, it won't be available on the iDevices.
I hope that's of use.
Aman

On 2013-08-24, at 10:47 AM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
This is possibly the most stupid question i have yet posed, but is there a 
 Bulgarian voice for voice-Over?
 
I have looked in the list under 
 settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/language rotor, in the hopes of 
 finding a Bulgarian voice, but it doesn't seem to be there. i have a friend 
 who would love to be able to read emails etc with the Bulgarian voice, so I 
 thought to try here, just in case the Bulgarian voice was there, but I hadn't 
 recognised its name, as the names for the languages are not anglicised.
 
Thanks for any info,
Sandy. 
 
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RE: Gutenberg books

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Hello.
I have never bothered with the Gutenberg app. There are three
methods I have used to get access to Gutenberg books, however. First and
most obviously, Safari has no issue with 
http://www.gutenberg.org
Note that you can download epubs to use in iBooks as you wish. Note also
that Gutenberg Australia and Canada
http://www.gutenberg.net.au
and
http://www.gutenberg.ca
also offer iBooks compatible files, though Gutenberg.ca is quite large.
Secondly, iBooks itself seems to contain Gutenberg titles. However,
some of these are masked by people repackaging the books for a fee.
Finally, the always excellent VoiceDream Reader
http://www.voicedream.com 
allows full access to Gutenberg.
I hope that's of use.
Aman
   

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Gutenberg books

Dear all. I tried gutenberg app but it is not accessible. So how do you guys
read gutenberg books? Is there an accessible app for gutenberg books? 
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Re: Gutenberg books

[Aman Singer]

Hello.
In the books produced more recently, the information on the pproject
itself is at the end of the book. In books produced earlier in the
project's history, the information is at the top of the file, but you
can easily skip it by searching for *end. Note the asterisk.
I hope that's of use.
Aman

On 8/8/13, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 WayHay,   that bit about VoiceDream is a gem, didn't know that!

 My one thing about Gutenberg, and suppose they have to do it;  but their
 blurb goes on for miles and it can take forever just to find the start of
 the book, or even the title sometimes.
 But the books are good after that.

 Rh.

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 From: Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:55 PM
 Subject: RE: Gutenberg books


 Hello.
 I have never bothered with the Gutenberg app. There are three
 methods I have used to get access to Gutenberg books, however. First and
 most obviously, Safari has no issue with
 http://www.gutenberg.org
 Note that you can download epubs to use in iBooks as you wish. Note also
 that Gutenberg Australia and Canada
 http://www.gutenberg.net.au
 and
 http://www.gutenberg.ca
 also offer iBooks compatible files, though Gutenberg.ca is quite large.
 Secondly, iBooks itself seems to contain Gutenberg titles. However,
 some of these are masked by people repackaging the books for a fee.
 Finally, the always excellent VoiceDream Reader
 http://www.voicedream.com
 allows full access to Gutenberg.
 I hope that's of use.
 Aman


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 Of Tarapprakash
 Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Gutenberg books

 Dear all. I tried gutenberg app but it is not accessible. So how do you
 guys
 read gutenberg books? Is there an accessible app for gutenberg books?
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RE: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Joanne.
You write
So, why don't blind pc users complain to Microsoft for some third party 
software that don't work with windows and demanding microsoft for refund, but 
Apple user seems to do so?
Is that because, Apple listen to users voice and some people, think, it is a 
good way to use it as a complain maganism?

Respectfully, I would say that Apple, like all other large companies, 
listens to the purchasing of its users and, on rare occasions, to the orders of 
judges and tribunal members rather than to their users' voices. Having said 
that, though, one does not ask Microsoft for a refund for inaccessible software 
made by developers because Microsoft can't give what it doesn't have. To put it 
differently, on Microsoft's desktop operating systems, like those systems made 
by Google, the various Linux manufacturers, etc, the operating system 
manufacturer sells you the operating system alone. You can, if you wish, buy 
other applications from the operating system developer's online store, but if 
you wish to buy from someone else, you are free to do so as many people do. 
Apple, on the other hand, in their iOS model, chooses to exercise control over 
and charge for apps from their own store. They also take significant technical 
steps to prevent people from installing applications without the consent of 
Apple. They are, therefore, involved in the process in a way which a standard 
operating system manufacturer is not. They approve the apps, take the money, 
etc. Microsoft doesn't and that's why you don't ask them for a refund except, 
of course, on their own products. Note that this is not unusual in the phone 
operating system area, but all the others which do it are either insignificant 
(Web OS) or inaccessible (Blackberry and Windows Phone). That's why we're 
talking about Apple.
As for the rest of your message, I'm afraid I don't see the connection 
between Jaws and this issue. The analogy of the restaurant does not meet this 
case because the problem is not that people don't like the app, it's that they 
don't know what the app can do before they order it. The sighted user knows 
what the app can do, the blind user does not know whether the description is 
accurate.
Aman
  -Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joanne Chua
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

It seems like now the debate/arguement is out of hand.
We are first talking about how unsuccessful some individual get the refund from 
their so call inaccessible apps to how program got distributed.
Regardless of what it is, everyone got their own opinion, and views on such 
topic.
There is no right and wrong, but often, we use our emotional views rather than 
our rational views.

Yes, indeed, there're hundrets and thousands of software developers offer trial 
software, and you can then choose to purchase or not purchase the software. 
But, as far as i know (which is not 5 years ago) those trial softwares have 
nothing to do with Micro Soft, or any of the OS developer. It got to do with 
the developer itself.

So, why don't blind pc users complain to Microsoft for some third party 
software that don't work with windows and demanding microsoft for refund, but 
Apple user seems to do so?

Is that because, Apple listen to users voice and some people, think, it is a 
good way to use it as a complain maganism?

I'm not saying this is wrong. Just like, i know someone who use Jaws on Window 
with BootCam. Wrote to FreedomScientific for some bug they found on Jaws, and 
FreedomScientific respond is that, they have nothing to do with it cause it 
operates on Mac, and Jaws doesn't operate on Mac...

Yes, you can not to pay, even sue the restorant for undercook food, but you 
can't sue the restorant for not using the knifes and fork you use to, the brand 
of tomato sauce you like, or the napkin foulded in circle rather than a 
triangular shape that you wanted.
 

The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.Joanne Chua Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 
Candidate Send from my iPad

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RE: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

[Aman Singer]

Hello, David.
You write
I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can 
occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps.

I agree, but there would be no need to do that. If Apple were 
interested in taking that step, they had better have done so years ago since 
pirating apps has been possible and actually fairly easy for quite a while. 
However, that would be a foolish step as it stands, Google does not need access 
to your machine to determine that an app has been uninstalled and returned 
within their 15 minute window. Similarly, Microsoft does not require access to 
machines even though their own software is often pirated. Keep in mind that it 
is in Apple's economic interest to appear as protective of their developers as 
possible without spending significant amounts of money or causing significant 
user backlash. To attempt to examine and modify machines so that piracy may be 
stopped when nobody else does it would, I think, be investing too much money 
and reputation for a fairly small gain. Everyone else is offering trials and 
not investigating machines. There is no reason Apple, if it wished to offer 
trials, could not do the same.
Aman
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

I would rather not give Apple complete access to my phone just so they can 
occasionally check to ensure I am not pirating apps.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 05/08/2013, at 10:41, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:



HI.  wouldn't it work better if all apps could be downloaded for free 
and trialled say for a day? There are lots of apps I'd love to try but am 
hesitant to download due to the fact that there is really no way to tell if 
they are accessible or not unless someone on list or someone on applevis has 
tried them. I mean if it's a 99 c app it's not that bad but if it's 5 or 10 
bucks? That's going to get expensive.

Warm regards and blessings 
Maria, Joe and FurBabies
Email:  iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com



On 03/08/2013, at 6:02 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com 
wrote:


As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to 
support a general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, 
rather than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy.  That is just too open to 
abuse.   Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let 
developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all requested 
refunds.   It might even improve accessibility. 
 
Arnold Schmidt

- Original Message -
From: Cara Quinn mailto:modelc...@gmail.com 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support 
regarding app refund

Sieghard and All,

Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list 
to write Apple Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation 
in place for VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. 
I'd also suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own.

I believe this issue needs to be brought into the 
forefront in a positive and decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this 
list and this is a very good opportunity to make this point heard.

This discussion has come up before of being alerted of 
VO accessibility ahead of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a 
set conclusion on the best way to do this, having some indication that an app 
has been found to be accessible to some degree with VoiceOver before we 
purchase it is a completely reasonable request. If this is not possible, then 
it is more than reasonable to ask for refunds if we cannot use an app which is 
not accessible to us with the available Apple universal access paradigm.

the email address for Apple Accessibility is:

accessibil...@apple.com

These are very caring people so please keep this in 
mind when you write. I've known some of them personally. They want to help 
though there may not be a clear way of making this happen just yet. Just let 
them know this is important though. Make your voice heard in a friendly way. 
they will listen to you even if they do not know the best answer yet. :)

Thanks All, for your time.

Sincerely,

Cara :)

Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Joseph. 
Let me also thank you for your civility. Now, very briefly, you write
 I believe I made it clear I was referring to an Apple Accessibility policy 
 that is inclusive of All apps and not just those on AppleVis.

You were perfectly clear, the only reason I raised applevis at all was because 
I wished to object to your view that subjectivity is an obstacle to the 
understanding of accessibility. Otherwise, applevis has nothing to do with what 
I was saying except that it shows that subjectivity of what is and is not 
accessible need not be a significant problem. 
As to the last part of your message, I agree that accessibility testing will 
cost money. This is why all I pursue would be refunds for inaccessible 
products. Though this is not perfect, it is fairly satisfactory and all that 
can be done through legal compultion, in my view. If anyone can get more from 
Aplle, I would be overjoyed, but I do not expect it.
Aman

  




On 2013-08-04, at 1:06 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Aman,
 
 Thank you for your polite response--always enjoy this type of interaction.
 
  I believe I made it clear I was referring to an Apple Accessibility policy 
 that is inclusive of All apps and not just those on AppleVis. (Smile).
 
 The Appleviz website relies on the relatively few who have and enjoy taking 
 the time to add comments. Let's say at most they have reviewed 500 apps 
 within recent years, well, as you know, there are 500,000+ in the apps 
 store.
 
 Again, all of your and other's suggestions sound like  100% common sense 
 proposals, but the wheels fall off when you actually implement something 
 like this in reality or on a global app store basis. This cost money, money, 
 money, and unless pushed into it, there aren't too many private sector 
 businesses that will make such accommodations without something in return as 
 is the case with Apple and their relationships with governmental public 
 sector businesses.
 
 I never used the word impossible to describe the current situation, it was 
 introduced into the conversation by another list member Christian something 
 or other.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 9:43 PM
 Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
 
 
 Hello, Joseph.
 I must respectfully disagree with you. To describe an application's 
 accessibility to VO users is so far from impossible that it is being done 
 every day on Applevis. You are certainly correct that there are some 
 subjective aspects to the evaluation, but if you look at the descriptions of 
 apps on Applevis, there is not really a significant problem in determining 
 what functions  do and don't work in an application. The problem with 
 Applevis is not that the information is bad but that there isn't enough of 
 it, too few apps are getting the treatment. If Apple wished to do this sort 
 of thing, there would be no difficulty in contracting it out to a particular 
 group of people, perhaps some of the people here. Remember that what is 
 asked for is a description, rather than an accessibility rating or, if such 
 a rating is needed, it should be secondary to the description.  Also 
 remember that, in this case as with many others, perfection shouldn't be 
 demanded and probably can't be attained in any case. The lack of perfection 
 is not something that should stop this sort of thing though, knowing Apple 
 and its policies, it well may. Aside from all that, though, as I said 
 before, a policy of refunds is probably the easiest way to go and is almost 
 certainly the cheapest. It is not optimal, but it is workable and the 
 infrastructure already exists for it.
 Aman
 
 
 On 2013-08-03, at 10:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple
 will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as 
 there
 is just too much subjective criteria at play.
 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app 
 is
 accessible?
 
 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%?
 90? 100%?
 
 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is 
 accessible,
 then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the
 blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying to
 convince Apple that the app developer lied because of X feature not being
 accessible. I'm having a tough time accepting that someone would take
 countless hours and even days of their time for $1 or $3. In the end, 
 while
 the person might get a refund, they will have probably spent some $100 in
 time for that single $3 refund. I've found that its much easier to let it
 go. :)
 
 4. There are some 500,000 apps in the Apps store, who at Apple is going to
 test all of those apps

RE: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

[Aman Singer]

Hello, David.
That's just the point. It is not impossible, but it is at least difficult, to 
find a program on the PC which does not have either a trial or a method through 
which a user may examine it before purchase. You seem, if I may say so, to be 
thinking about things as they were 5 years ago rather than as they are now. I 
have, in the past 5 years at least, never purchased a program I didn't know I 
could use. The one case where I wrote to a developer before a purchase to ask 
about accessibility was where the program had to do with tax filing, and the 
application was, obviously, not suitable for timed trial or return because it 
had only one use in a limited time. I happen to agree with you that getting 
Apple to implement a trial system like everyone else (Google, Amazon, etc) is 
highly unlikely, but this is a problem unique to Apple. Everyone else is 
offering trials, both on the PC and on mobile platforms.
Aman
 
al Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Chittenden
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

You manage it the same way you manage it with a PC. You contact the developer. 
If the developer has specifically addressed accessibility, they will tell you. 
If not, they will say no, or they will not know what you are talking about. You 
then take the chance, or you don't take the chance.

The only difference is, with the PC, you have about a 10% chance that the 
software will be accessible. If it isn't, you wasted your money, because the 
software cannot be returned once you open it. I used to give it away as gifts 
to people I knew would like it.

With iOS, unless it's a game, or a very graphically intensive app, you have a 
66% chance it will be somewhat accessible. These odds are the best I have had 
in the computer marketplace, so I do occasionally take chances. And yes, I have 
lost a couple hundred dollars over the past three years because I have 
purchased apps that ended up not being accessible.

If you don't want to take any chances, use our crowd-sourcing option, applevis. 
Remember that we have a very small user base, so our crowd-sourcing is quite 
limited.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 05/08/2013, at 11:44, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:



HI.  if this option is not viable how do we get around this problem? 
It's quite unreasonable to think that someone is going to buy an app over say 
$10 and just say well there's 10 dollars gone down the drain and never be 
able to use the app? This list and applevis is wonderful and the only way I can 
think to partially solve this problem is to contact an app developer and ask 
them to test their app with voice over.  How do you manage the problem if you 
want to purchase an app that no one else has tried?

 




Cheers 
Maria  

sent from mac mini 
email,  fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
skype bubbygirl1972  twitter same as skype without the numbers. 





On 05/08/2013, at 9:34 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Well, given how few blind people there are, and how few apps we 
actually buy compared with sighted people, and considering that this model 
would require a complete rewrite and restructuring of the App Store, I 
seriously doubt it would happen unless Apple receives a great many requests for 
such.

The shareware  model of computer software distribution does 
something like this. Save for small companies, shareware is not usually used 
because  it does not typically make much money because people readily and 
easily crack the protection schemes.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 05/08/2013, at 11:12, Maria and Joe Chapman 
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:



Hi.  I was thinking more along the lines of the app 
could be downloaded and is fully functional for a day unless you purchase a key 
on the mac or do an in app purchase on the iphone.  Some apps can be rather 
expensive, I would not be willing to buy a 10 or 20 dollar app I could not use 
and probably wouldn't unless I had heard it was at least usable in some way 
with voice over. How many apps I wonder are not discovered to be accessible 
because people are afraid to buy them in case they are not usable?



regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
check out 

Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

[Aman Singer]

Hi, alan.
You say
 what happens when a sighted person gets an app and  they think it doesn't 
 meet their needs.

With respect, that depends on whether the description accurately told the 
sighted user what the application would do. If the textual description and the 
screenshots the app store presented gave an accurate description of the app, 
then the user has nothing to complain of. If the description was inaccurate, 
then the user should get a refund. THe problem, of course, for the blind user 
is that the description may or may not be true. The app may say it can do X, 
and may in fact do X for a sighted user but not for a user of VO. For the VO 
user, the description is simply false unless it says that VO will not work with 
the app. It seems plain that the VO user is entitled to an accurate 
description, one which says whether the app will actually do what it says it 
will. Failing that, the user is entitled to try the product to see if the 
description is false. Failing even that, the user is entitled to a refund if 
the description turns out to be nonsense. Apple has chosen not to allow the 
first or second options, it seems only reasonable, though not fully 
satisfactory, for them to allow the third.
Aman
 dealer of what it 2013-08-03, at 1:08 PM, Alan Paganelli 
alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Hi All,
  
 My concern here is this.  So what happens when a sighted person gets an app 
 and  they think it doesn't meet their needs.  Do they get a refund?  I'd 
 guess not.  This sounds to me to much like pulling out the blind card. What 
 I'm saying here is, if there is a satisfaction guaranteed or your money back 
 policy in place then that's one thing but just because it doesn't work well 
 with voice over may not fly.
 ---
  
 Regards,
  
 Alan
  
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
  
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
  
 Please click on: 
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 - Original Message -
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 1:49 AM
 Subject: RE: Bad experience with iTunesStore support regarding app refund
 
 Hi Cara,
  
 I agree and think that unless Apple comes up with a better way to do this 
 they should be willing to give Voiceover users a refund without the hassle. I 
 must say, however, that I really like that 15 minute return policy Google 
 apparently offers, but of course trying to get Apple to do something like 
 that is not just a completely different ball game, it’s a different sport!
  
 If Apple was really concerned that this would be abused, they could request 
 proof that somebody is actually visually impaired or they could limit refunds 
 to a certain number per year. I am very sure that given their computers they 
 could easily track this on somebody’s Apple Id.
  
 If you are getting involved in this feel free to use my below messages as an 
 example, I am pasting the message I sent without the purchase details, i.e. 
 order number and all that, as well as the response I received.
 It was obvious that the person who responded somehow seemed to understand the 
 situation, but on another level she apparently didn’t. She summarized my 
 request by saying I “inadvertently “ purchased some apps which of course is 
 not at all the case and not what I said.
 Here is my initial message and her reply which makes me think she really 
 didn’t get it despite the fact that she said it was an “appropriate 
 exception” and they would refund me the money which still has not happened:
  
 From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:siegh...@live.ca] 
 Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:04 AM
 To: 'itunesstoresupp...@apple.com'
 Subject: Voiceover inaccessible apps
  
 Hello,
  
 My name is Sieghard Weitzel. I recently purchased several apps for tracking 
 packages in order to find out which one offered the best features. I tried a 
 couple more, but they had free Lite versions which allowed me to try them 
 before buying the full version.
  
 I am blind and have been an iPhone/Voiceover user for almost 4 years and 
 unfortunately I found that two of the paid and 2 of the free/Lite apps have 
 accessibility issues and I was not able to use them with Voiceover. I wrote 
 to the developers, but have not received any reply as to whether they might 
 consider making improvements so the apps would work with Voiceover. I used 
 iTunes credit to pay for the paid apps and was wondering if it was possible 
 to receive a refund since I have already deleted the apps from my phone.
  
 -Original Message-
 From: iTunes Store [mailto:itunesstoresupp...@apple.com] 
 Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:50 PM
 To: 

Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Joseph.
I must respectfully disagree with you. To describe an application's 
accessibility to VO users is so far from impossible that it is being done every 
day on Applevis. You are certainly correct that there are some subjective 
aspects to the evaluation, but if you look at the descriptions of apps on 
Applevis, there is not really a significant problem in determining what 
functions  do and don't work in an application. The problem with Applevis is 
not that the information is bad but that there isn't enough of it, too few apps 
are getting the treatment. If Apple wished to do this sort of thing, there 
would be no difficulty in contracting it out to a particular group of people, 
perhaps some of the people here. Remember that what is asked for is a 
description, rather than an accessibility rating or, if such a rating is 
needed, it should be secondary to the description.  Also remember that, in this 
case as with many others, perfection shouldn't be demanded and probably can't 
be attained in any case. The lack of perfection is not something that should 
stop this sort of thing though, knowing Apple and its policies, it well may. 
Aside from all that, though, as I said before, a policy of refunds is probably 
the easiest way to go and is almost certainly the cheapest. It is not optimal, 
but it is workable and the infrastructure already exists for it. 
Aman


On 2013-08-03, at 10:25 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe Aman has made great points. Furthermore, it is not likely Apple 
 will successfully achieve a VoiceOver ratings system any time soon as there 
 is just too much subjective criteria at play.
 1. Who is going to be the person at Apple who has determined that an app is 
 accessible?
 
 2. What constitutes accessibility? Accessing 60% of an apps features? 70%? 
 90? 100%?
 
 3. If Apple allows the developer to determine that their app is accessible, 
 then you might end up in tons of wasted customer service time in that the 
 blind customer spending hours and days of their and Apple's time trying to 
 convince Apple that the app developer lied because of X feature not being 
 accessible. I'm having a tough time accepting that someone would take 
 countless hours and even days of their time for $1 or $3. In the end, while 
 the person might get a refund, they will have probably spent some $100 in 
 time for that single $3 refund. I've found that its much easier to let it 
 go. :)
 
 4. There are some 500,000 apps in the Apps store, who at Apple is going to 
 test all of those apps for accessibility? This means Apple will need to 
 train a large team of individuals to determine what is accessible and what 
 is not or what is semi-accessible and what is not. All this means time, 
 effort, and tons of costs.
 
 5. What exactly is meant by Accessibility? Apple will absolutely have to 
 define and address this question before taking any first steps to achieve 
 it. There are still some holes in the ADA, and if the 600+ house and senate 
 members including the president had a tough time defining reasonable 
 accommodations, then it is likely a business will not want to get anywhere 
 near this issue unless forced to do so.
 
 6. In Windows 8, Microsoft has tried this accessibility tag in their Windows 
 store and many developers have chosen to list their apps as accessible even 
 though these aps cannot be used by a blind individual. Remember, 
 accessibility means lots more than just accessible to the blind. Again, 
 we're back to how will Apple implement such a system? Will they leave it in 
 the hands of the developer, or will they use their own team which accepts or 
 rejects submitted apps. If they do it in-house, this means training either 
 all of their employs or this means training a select group; if so, this will 
 have to be quite a large group.
 
 Don't get me wrong, I think Apple should start somewhere, but it will be 
 difficult to actually develop such a system rather than many of us making 
 demands that have not been really thought out. :) I guess its like asking, 
 why not just build a super highway across the Atlantic from the US to Asia 
 since there is tons of area to build? Extreme example? Yes, but I meant it 
 to be so to bring home my points regarding how to define, describe, and 
 implement accessibility. Heck, there are still some debating how one 
 accurately describes a screen reader.
 
 Guys, I want the same thing you do, but if it is going to be done, it might 
 as well be done right and done right the first time, so let's not make hasty 
 demands as we might end up getting what we want--as defined by a single 
 individual at Apple.
 
 Just some spur of the moment thoughts.
 
 Joseph
 

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Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Arnold.
Just a small point, if I may. Keep in mind that abuse of this system has far 
fewer and weaker consequences than abuse of other systems. If a person asks for 
a refund, the only thing that he can use is his own copy of the app. If and 
when that copy is lost, whether by restore/crash/upgrade/etc, the program is 
not on the account and cannot be downloaded again. Google, for example, says 
that if you have received a refund as to an app, and then purchase it again, 
that second sale is final. One of the very few advantages of centralizing app 
distribution and enforcing that centralization is that refunds can be processed 
with fewer consequences for developers. It should also be noted that anyone who 
wants a cracked application, that is, anyone who doesn't want to pay the money 
for an app generally has multiple ways of getting that app for free which don't 
involve interactions and other work to save some amount which is usually under 
$10.
Aman


On 2013-08-03, at 2:20 PM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote:

 Oh, I am not so worried about what the blindness community would do.  But you 
 know that it wouldn't take long for some blog, or whatever, to pick up on the 
 fact that, hey, if you don't like an app, tell them that you are blind, use 
 VoiceOver, and for the life of you, you just can't figure out how to get this 
 app to work with VoiceOver.  So, you know, you need a refund.  I would rather 
 them just institute a refund period, maybe 24 hours, to ask for a refund.  
 That would make Apple look as if they really care about their customers, and 
 benefit everybody, including the VoiceOver users. Unfortunately, to cut down 
 on the abuse, they might have to set a maximum number of refunds for a given 
 time period, but I could live with that. 
  
 Arnold Schmidt  
 - Original Message -
 From: Cara Quinn
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 4:28 AM
 Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunesStore support regarding app refund
 
 Hello Arnold,
 
 thanks so much for your note.
 
 I'm personally not willing to give into the worry of the least common 
 denominator principle. If anything, what we've seen so far in the case of 
 this community when it comes to asking for refunds for apps, is that people 
 have been more than upstanding, patient and forgiving. -to a fault if I may 
 be so bold. If I may also say so, this is not always the same in other 
 circles of blind / visually impaired users of technology I've encountered, so 
 it honestly warms my heart to say what I have just said about people being 
 upstanding here. :)
 
 Because of this, I still believe it is reasonable to ask for a policy for 
 refunds if we are not given the opportunity to know ahead of time whether an 
 app is usable with VO.
 
 If we can get a descriptive blurb, then a refund would simply depend on what 
 such a blurb says. I.E. if an app's main advertised features were not 
 accessible with VoiceOver and a customer chose to purchase said app anyway, 
 they would not be eligible for a refund. Simple as that… :)
 
 Regardless of the feelings on either side of this issue, I feel this does 
 need to be brought up in a real and meaningful way. It's best we don't 
 inadvertently sweep this one under the rug because we may not have a good 
 answer for this yet. Better for this to be discussed and refined at length if 
 necessary.
 
 Thanks so much for your note!
 
 Smiles,
 
 Cara :)
 On Aug 3, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Arnold Schmidt arno...@mindspring.com wrote:
 
 As I state in another message, I would be much more willing to support a 
 general refund policy, such as Google has, or at least use to have, rather 
 than an it won't work with VoiceOver policy.  That is just too open to abuse. 
   Besides, a general refund policy would be an even better way to let 
 developers know if people didn't like their app, a bunch of them all 
 requested refunds.   It might even improve accessibility. 
  
 Arnold Schmidt
 - Original Message -
 From: Cara Quinn
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:58 AM
 Subject: Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund
 
 Sieghard and All,
 
 Let me encourage you and actually everyone on this list to write Apple  
 Accessibility to request that there be reasonable accommodation in place for 
 VoiceOver users to receive app refunds in cases like Sieghard's. I'd also 
 suggest that Sieghard's note be attached to your own.
 
 I believe this issue needs to be brought into the forefront in a positive and 
 decisive way. We are almost 2000 people on this list and this is a very good 
 opportunity to make this point heard.
 
 This discussion has come up before of being alerted of VO accessibility ahead 
 of time in the App Store and though we've not come to a set conclusion on the 
 best way to do this, having some indication that an app has been found to be 
 accessible to some degree with VoiceOver 

Re: Bad experience with iTunes Store support regarding app refund

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Joanne.
You ask

 However, is that really Apple's fault if they not refunding the credit for 
 the apps, just because it have some accessibilities issue, or, we, as 
 consumer simply asking too much?...

If I may say so, people are not asking for a refund because there are 
accessibility issues. They are asking for a refund because they were not given 
the chance to determine whether there are accessibility issues before purchase. 
I don't think anyone would want a refund after purchase from Apple  if the app 
in question had a trial version or if apple allowed timed trials. Apple has 
chosen not to do this and that is why people want a refund. The problem is not 
inaccessibility itself, though that is a bad thing , but rather the problem is 
Apple's policy not to allow easy timed trials while keeping control over the 
store.   
 
 You say
 It is up to us, as consumer to make the decision before purchase?
 The problem is that consumers can't make that decision in any reasonable way 
 without long processes which may or may not be successful. This is the whole 
 point of the app directory on applevis, to make that decision possible 
 through the experience of others. Unfortunately, not all apps are on 
 applevis.  That is not a problem for the sighted purchaser.  

You ask
 Have we ever thought of returning a window machine in the pass because they 
 not accessible? Have we  ever thought of asking Micro not so Soft to refund 
 $$$ that we pay for their window OS?

No, but the situations are completely different. There are multiple ways to try 
the Windows OS including purchasing a computer with a return policy, trying it 
at a store, trying it at a friend's home or at an office, etc. These are not 
available for iOS apps in many cases. I cannot think of any Windows mainstream 
application, most assuredly including Microsoft products, where the opportunity 
to test for accessibility before purchase is lacking. Similarly, on Android, 
there is a fifteen minute window to return apps for a refund and the refund is 
automatic. What is being asked here is that Apple remove some of the bad 
effects of their own policy which they are almost unique in holding. 
Aman


On 2013-08-02, at 9:39 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 First at all, let me clarify that what i'm about to say is purely come from 
 my own views, it is not particularly heading towards individuals, or a group 
 of people.
 
 This stuff about Apple not refunding credits for apps is ones again a hot 
 topic on this list.
 
 However, is that really Apple's fault if they not refunding the credit for 
 the apps, just because it have some accessibilities issue, or, we, as 
 consumer simply asking too much?
 
 After all, in Apple purchase T.O.C, there's no such statement stated that 
 every apps need to be accessible, should be accessible.
 
 It is up to us, as consumer to make the decision before purchase?
 
 Have we ever thought of returning a window machine in the pass because they 
 not accessible? Have we  ever thought of asking Micro not so Soft to refund 
 $$$ that we pay for their window OS?
 
 I'm a very strong advicate of accessibility, but i also believe that there's 
 a belance in such.
 
 I do agree with some of the listers, perhaps, They could include an 
 accessibility category and have other sub-cat under the category.  If they 
 do, for the interest of Apple and the developers, i urge Apple to put 
 something about there's a risk for consumer to purchase apps beyond the 
 accessibility category to be inaccessible. If so, it is the consumer 
 responsibilities to contact the developer, and no refund will be consider on 
 the condition that the app is not accessible.Joanne Shuang Chua
 Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
 Send from my iPad
 
 On 03/08/2013, at 4:21, Nimit Gmail kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Sieghard, 
 That's surely not something most people would expect from apple.  Talking to 
 another representativve is always a good idea.  Someone I knew had a similar 
 experience and they actually called apple and reported it.  I didn't know 
 what happened next as I really didn't find it that important then.  They 
 did, however, ended up getting their refund, that I know for sure.  I know 
 they didn't give up and kept fighting.  No, please!  I am not trying to tell 
 you to fight with apple.  All I am saying that if I were you, I would let 
 apple know that this kind of situation happen and the customer service 
 provided is not the best.  Maybe, just drop a lime .  Now, it is likely, 
 that they might not directly not fix your refund issue, but at least, they 
 know that happens and they need to support us by making their customer 
 service a little better.  No, I am not saying that apple is not good with 
 cust service, but sometimes,they just need to make their workers more aware 
 of accessibility?  I hope you somehow get it fixed.  It's a shame...  Well, 
 good luck.  As somebody said, droping a 

Re: will voice dream reader play epub and mobi text files?

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
Epub will work fine with Voice Dream, it is actually better than
TXT/RTF, divided into chapters/sections and otherwise a much
pleasanter experience. Mobi will not work with the format but there's
nothing easier than converting these to Epub See, for example
http://www.zamzar.com/
for an online tool and
http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/ebook-convert.html
for one that you can use locally. To use it, you will need to download
the Calibre suite.
Obviously, if these books are protected, the whole situation changes.
Aman

On 7/30/13, Andrew Head ath...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
 Hi all,
 Just wondering if voice dream reader will play epub and mobi files?
 I was sent some books and have never heard of this mobi format and don't
 know much about epub either.
 I wish they were sent as simple txt or rtf but anyway.
 Any help is greatly appreciated.
 Kind regards,
 Andrew

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Re: Recording Phone calls, was: I recorded A Call With List Recorder

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
If I may add to what Sieghard has said, those call-recording solutions which 
use three-way calling are not usually worth the money. Keep in mind that you 
can set up such a system with nothing more than a small amount of technical 
knowledge and a cheap Skype or VOIP number. This allows you to keep the call 
recordings under your own control on your own systems. It also allows you to 
act on the recordings, that is, to have them emailed when done, to have them 
posted to a site or cloud storage service, to have links SMSed to them, etc. 
Finally, it allows you to dispense with notifications if your jurisdiction is 
one where notifications of recording are not legally required.
It may also be worth noting that you can set up a VOIP pBX so that every call 
you make or receive is recorded, whether in or out. 
I hope that's of use.
Aman


On 2013-07-28, at 3:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I had a look at your 2 app suggestions, Call Recorder - phone calls 
 recorder by William Wood and TapeACall Lite - Record Calls by
 Epic Enterprises. Here are my thoughts:
 
 First, Apple does not allow the recording of phone calls because in many
 jurisdictions it is illegal to do that. Now, the fact that List Recorder and
 there are a few other apps that can do this, can record a call that is in
 progress on the speakerphone is a fluke and if Apple was told about it they
 would pull these apps until the developers would disable this capability.
 
 As for the 2 apps you mentioned: Call Recorder is a VoIP app and that
 changes the game. Just about any VoIP app I know of has a recording
 function. This means you can make calls with the app via VoIP and record
 these calls. While I didn't see it in the app description, I wouldn't be at
 all surprised if there was some sort of notification or beep after you start
 recording, but the fact is that this would not work for incoming calls since
 there is no mention that the Call Recorder VoIP service provides an inbound
 number. I also didn't take a look at their rates, but they do state that
 after whatever trial credit they give you, you have to buy minutes from them
 and of course you have to place your call via WiFi or 3G/KLTE, the latter
 will use up cellular data.
 
 Tape A Call is like any other call recorder app out there, it records calls
 using a server and 3-way calling. Here is what it says in the app
 description:
 
 How does this app record calls? 
 
 When you're on a call and you want to record it, open TapeACall and press
 the record button. We will put your call on hold and dial our recording
 line. As soon as our line answers tap the merge button on your screen to
 create a 3 way call between your other caller and our recording line. 
 
 If you want to record an outgoing call, just press the record button. The
 app will dial our recording line and will begin recording as soon as our
 line answers. Once that happens, tap the add call button on your screen,
 call the person you want to record, then press the merge button when they
 answer. 
 
 The say we will dial our recording line which means you are possibly
 dialing a long distance number. Most of such services require a
 subscription. Tape a Call says that with their Pro app which is $10 you do
 not have to pay any subscriptions which I guess could be a good thing if you
 really need to frequently record calls, but it's not a smooth process, i.e.
 if you receive a call and want to record it, you will have to let the other
 person know, bring up the app, tap on Record and wait for the app to dial
 the recording line/server, then merge the calls which requires that you have
 3-way calling as a feature from your provider.
 
 
 Best regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of AppleGourmet
 Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:52 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I recorded A Call With List Recorder
 
 I think I found another application which probably works much better! It's
 called Tape A Call 
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tapeacall-lite-record-calls/id573751328?mt=8
 
 This app is free however the Pro version is  ten bucks! 
 
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Re: Voice Dream reader and zipped files

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Hi, Sandy.
If I may ask, can you unzip a file in one of the zip packages for the
iPhone and then try to open the contents in VoiceDream Reader? The
point is to determine that the reader is failing at the
decompression/import stage or at the stage of actually loading the
book contents.
Before doing so, however, you may want to be sure the file is a Daisy
book. As I understand it, and I would appreciate correction if I'm
wrong, VoiceDream Reader can only open ZIP files in which text-based
Daisy books live. If you are using such a file, try renaming it to
.daisy and accessing it, once more, with VDR. Sometimes the .daisy
extension works when the .zip extension doesn't.
Aman


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 Hi all,
 I am having great problems we putting new books into my Voice Dream reader
 at the app doesn't seem to want to unzip files.
 Can anyone advise?
 Thanks, Sandy.

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Re: Voice Dream reader and zipped files

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Hi, Sandy.
Remember that the open in on iOS, and indeed on Windows as well, is
based on the file's extension and possibly, in some cases, on the
file's MIME type. To programs using these identifiers, a zip file is a
zip file. VDR registered as being able to open zip files. As I said
earlier, I've heard that the author used .daisy, but that wouldn't
help very much in many cases because few other providers of daisy
books use that extension on the web.
I hope that's of use.
Aman

On 7/23/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi aman,
 These tend to be text files. Yes, I can unzip them using Tyler, however, I
 am surprised that voice dream shows up in the open in options even though
 these files can't be opened there. Now that you tell me that daisy books can
 be opened, things are a little clearer.
 Thanks,
 Sandy

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 23 Jul 2013, at 20:27, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Sandy.
 If I may ask, can you unzip a file in one of the zip packages for the
 iPhone and then try to open the contents in VoiceDream Reader? The
 point is to determine that the reader is failing at the
 decompression/import stage or at the stage of actually loading the
 book contents.
 Before doing so, however, you may want to be sure the file is a Daisy
 book. As I understand it, and I would appreciate correction if I'm
 wrong, VoiceDream Reader can only open ZIP files in which text-based
 Daisy books live. If you are using such a file, try renaming it to
 .daisy and accessing it, once more, with VDR. Sometimes the .daisy
 extension works when the .zip extension doesn't.
 Aman


 On 7/23/13, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 I am having great problems we putting new books into my Voice Dream
 reader
 at the app doesn't seem to want to unzip files.
 Can anyone advise?
 Thanks, Sandy.

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Moving out of the status bar while using a Braille display.

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hi. 
Just press space with dots 1-2, the back command, and you will leave 
the status bar. It would be nice to be able to go back to the exact point on 
the screen where you were, but this does not seem to happen. The back command 
will, however, work well to get you out of the bar.
Aman


On 2013-07-21, at 7:37 PM, Arianna englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

 As the subject would suggest, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to move 
 out of the status bar area when using my Braille display. I know that I can 
 get into it by pressing space with dots 2-3-4, but how do I then return to a 
 point on the screen without touching the display? Is this even possible?
 
 
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Suitable for Windows Use

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
The vast majority of bluetooth keyboards have the keys you're after. The only 
keyboards which don't, at least as a general rule, are those specifically 
designed for phones. That is, you may not find the modifier keys on a keyboard 
case for the iPhone, or on a keypad which is designed to slip into a pocket.
If you're looking for something specific, you might like to try the Logitech 
K810. The typing experience on this unit is quite good, the board is fairly 
small so can be carried with a tablet easily, and the bluetooth connection is 
very stable in my experience, even in areas where there is allot of 
interferance.  However, the function keys only act as such with the function 
key, on the bottom left, held down. There is a way to modify this through 
software, but this has to be done on the computer side  and doesn't work on 
systems where the software isn't installed. The board can connect to three 
devices, as well.
HTH.
Aman
On 2013-07-19, at 5:46 PM, SSEric sseri...@gmail.com wrote:

 I won't stray too far off topic, but I just received a Windows 8 tablet. I 
 know we have spoken of the various folding keyboards here that work via 
 Bluetooth. I am wondering do they have the proper keys for Windows, control, 
 alt, Windows key, etc. I will be using it with either JAWS or NVDA. 
 
 All thanks!
 
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Re: sms to dropbox

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Hello, Robert.
This is interesting. If I may ask, what have you already tried and
found not to work? There are one or two services which look like they
do this, I believe there's an Android app, which can provide a place
to forward those messages you want to save if you have a cheap android
phone, and there is the recently released If This, Then That
https://ifttt.com/connect/sms/dropbox
which works directly on the iPhone. There are also the SMS by mail
services which you can use to forward your messages to a particular
number where those messages can, in turn, be sent to an email which
saves them to Dropbox. Try Googling SMS to dropbox if you haven't
already and see if there's anything you haven't tried. I think this is
doable in quite a customized way, so if you'll let us know what issues
you've had specifically and what you'd like to do, it may well be
possible to resolve them.
Aman

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Re: sms to dropbox

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Hello, Robert.
This sounds fairly simple. Have you tried it with the IFTTT service I
gave you earlier? If so, does it not work?
Aman

On 7/17/13, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I found a really good app called, plain text.  It syncs very well with
 dropbox and all I need to do to transfer information from a text message I
 have received is copy the message and paste into a plain text document and
 it shows up in my dropbox.  It is very accessible

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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:56 PM
 Subject: RE: sms to dropbox


 Hi Robert,

 Only way would be to copy the text message to your clipboard, then paste it
 into an editor like the Notes app or if you want it to sync to Dropbox, use
 an editor which supports saving to Dropbox like Elements.

 I have experimented with the main conversation window and hoped one could
 somehow select and copy an entire conversation, but unless I am missing
 something, I am not able to do so.

 I find it easiest to open a conversation, then tap on Edit in the top right
 and then find the message I want to copy. If you tap on Edit first, once
 you
 swipe to the message you want you can just turn the rotor to Edit, swipe
 down (maybe this is not even needed since Copy seems to be the only
 selection here) and double tap. Now I can, for example, open a note in the
 Notes app, once again turn the rotor to Edit and swipe up once to get to
 paste, double tap and that particular message will be pasted into the Note.
 If you want to copy a bunch of messages from a conversation this is a
 pretty
 tedious process. Let's hope that in iOS 7 there is an easier way to maybe
 export an entire conversation or send it by email which in my opinion would
 be a good solution as one could email it to oneself.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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Re: using iphone without a data plan

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Christopher and all.
First, there is no question that ATT and other GSM providers can
detect the phone being used. They can read the IMEI, they do it to
detect stolen phones, and the IMEI indicates who manufactured the
phone and often indicates its model. The problem for detecting
smartphones and then charging them for a data plan is that it is
logistically very difficult. To raise a few of the smaller issues,
what happens if a traveller buys a SIM with a voice only plan and pays
before using it? Any attempt to charge for a data plan will fail and
leave an angry customer. That applies to any prepaid customer, really,
an attempt to charge will probably fail and the customer will be
upset. Even for a postpaid customer, it would probably be unwise to
charge for a data plan without warning. Consider those people who were
using tethering without a data plan which supported it. They received
several months of warnings, those warnings were publicised, and they
were then charged. Personally, I would believe that ATT was charging
based on IMEI if I saw a letter from ATT saying so and heard it from
someone who could tell me the exact devices being used. Keep in mind
that it is to the company's advantage to tell you that they will
charge for a data plan through some sort of detection. It may not,
however, be to the company's advantage to actually do it.
Aman


On 7/14/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've been told by multiple people, both ATT users and customer support,
 that ATT can detect when your SIM card is in a smart phone and will
 automatically charge you for a data plan if you don't have a data plan
 but put your SIM card in a smart phone. If this is true, buying your
 unlocked iPhone from Apple and trying to use it on ATT will not get you
 out of having a data plan. Ive never tried this myself, but like I said,
 I know people who have told me this has happened to them. Maybe this is
 wrong and maybe there are carriers and plans where this is not the case.

 On 07/13/2013 05:09 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
 Hi, Alan.
 Keep in mind that Apple sells the iPhone unlocked in almost all
 countries. If you want an iPhone without a contract and can pay for
 it, there is no issue in getting one. You need not buy it from a phone
 company at all unless you want it subsidized.
 Aman

 On 7/13/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 When I got my iPhone 4, I asked ATT about that.  They said to get the
 subsidised phone, they require a talk, text, and data plan with a two
 year
 agreement.  For most people buying their own first iPhone, I wonder how
 many
 actually get to skimp and not have a 2 year plan at a reduced price.
- Original Message -
From: Aman Singer
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: using iphone without a data plan


Hi, Alan and all.
Alan writes:
No matter what carrier your using, ATT, Sprint, etc, you need a
 talk,
text, and data plan.  It's that simple.

I'm sorry to contradict, Alan, but this is not accurate. It is
certainly not accurate when it comes to ATT and other GSM carriers.
Without a contract, one can use a data only plan, a voice only plan,
and even a text only plan on a GSM phone including the iPhone. This
 is
actually fairly simple, the worst case is that one needs to cut a SIM
card to do it, and cutting SIM cards is not at all ddifficult. Even
that is not usually necessary. As Donald has told us, even CDMA
iPhones can be used with voice only plans through other providers.
 One
need not buy any particular plan with any particular phone unless one
is on contract or one is using a CDMA phone with a provider that
enforces its own rules. Cellular providers would like you to think
 you
need to buy a voice/data plan at least, but you don't.
Aman

On 7/13/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 No matter what carrier your using, ATT, Sprint, etc, you need a
 talk,
 text,
 and data plan.  It's that simple.  One way that you could help
 yourself
 would be to ditch your home internet connection as you can send
 more
 email
 then anybody could possibly want in a month with the standard 2 GB
 worth
 of
 data.

 I know allot of folks get scared at the thought of using their
 phone
 for
 their internet connection, texting etc.  With the edition of a
 Bluetooth
 wireless keyboard you can do email about as easily as you could on
 your
 desktop.

 When I first got my iPhone over 2 years ago, I too was concerned
 about
 all
 that money out the door but with the sails of desktops and laptops
 slowing
 more and more, the hand writing for the future is already on the
 wall.
 People just aren't interested.  Once you get use to pulling your
 phone
 out
 rather then your laptop, you'll be telling those who come behind
 you
 the
 same thing.

 All

Re: using iphone without a data plan

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Ed.
Unfortunately, Sieghard is entirely correct as to Verizon's ability to
technically force you into having a data plan for an iPhone. The
Verizon iPhones use CDMA for voice at this time, and that means
Verizon can and does limit what devices are on the network by their
ESN, which identifies the device type as well as the specific device.
If you are looking for a voice only option due to cheapness, however,
you may want to simply get a data plan if you have an iPhone 5. If you
buy a SIM card for the iPhone 5 LTE (the iPhone 5 uses a SIM card),
and inform Verizon that you will be using a data only device, you may
well be able to get away with just a data plan and use Skype for
voice, which may well be cheaper than a voice/data plan. Whether this
is acceptable for you depends entirely on whether you are in an LTE
area, whether you are comfortable with Skype, and whether Verizon
itself will technically allow the LTE portion of the iPhone 5 to sign
on to the network without the CDMA portion signing on as well. Note
that you will not have this problem with ATT or T-Mobile, but you
will need a GSM device to handle those networks.
HTH.
Aman

On 7/13/13, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I'd be surprised if you could get a plan without data, given how eubiquitous

 smartish phones are that use the data. It might be a token amount on a paig

 simm,  but has to be there I should think. You'd ahve to switchoff all the
 cellular data things in settings and just keep wifi.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:51 AM
 Subject: RE: using iphone without a data plan


 Hi Ed.



 I had my iPhone, which was with ATT.  My contract ran out, and I was able
 to cancel my data plan.  I don't know if, when you get a new plan for your
 phone, if you have to get data with the phone service.  Also, as I said,
 this was with ATT.  I don't know what other carriers do in this case.



 Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: using iphone without a data plan

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Alan and all.
Alan writes:
No matter what carrier your using, ATT, Sprint, etc, you need a talk,
text, and data plan.  It's that simple.

I'm sorry to contradict, Alan, but this is not accurate. It is
certainly not accurate when it comes to ATT and other GSM carriers.
Without a contract, one can use a data only plan, a voice only plan,
and even a text only plan on a GSM phone including the iPhone. This is
actually fairly simple, the worst case is that one needs to cut a SIM
card to do it, and cutting SIM cards is not at all ddifficult. Even
that is not usually necessary. As Donald has told us, even CDMA
iPhones can be used with voice only plans through other providers. One
need not buy any particular plan with any particular phone unless one
is on contract or one is using a CDMA phone with a provider that
enforces its own rules. Cellular providers would like you to think you
need to buy a voice/data plan at least, but you don't.
Aman

On 7/13/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 No matter what carrier your using, ATT, Sprint, etc, you need a talk, text,
 and data plan.  It's that simple.  One way that you could help yourself
 would be to ditch your home internet connection as you can send more email
 then anybody could possibly want in a month with the standard 2 GB worth of
 data.

 I know allot of folks get scared at the thought of using their phone for
 their internet connection, texting etc.  With the edition of a Bluetooth
 wireless keyboard you can do email about as easily as you could on your
 desktop.

 When I first got my iPhone over 2 years ago, I too was concerned about all
 that money out the door but with the sails of desktops and laptops slowing
 more and more, the hand writing for the future is already on the wall.
 People just aren't interested.  Once you get use to pulling your phone out
 rather then your laptop, you'll be telling those who come behind you the
 same thing.

 All the best to you.to
   - Original Message -
   From: Pinky
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 6:01 PM
   Subject: using iphone without a data plan


   Hello list,

   I have spoken to three Verizon stores regarding having a n iphone
 connected with just a phone and not the data.  All three places informed me
 I could not have the iphone connected without having a data plan.  This is
 an Iphone I will own without any plan or contract.  Can anyone advise me if
 this is true or not.  I did also asked at one Verizon place if I have my own
 iphone that is unlocked can I just have the phone service.  I was told I
 could not have the phone service without the data plan.  I already have
 phone service with Verizon.  I did see earlier on this list that someone
 stated that you could just have the phone service.  Any assistance on this
 matter would be greatly appreciated.
   Ed

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Re: using iphone without a data plan

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Alan.
Keep in mind that Apple sells the iPhone unlocked in almost all
countries. If you want an iPhone without a contract and can pay for
it, there is no issue in getting one. You need not buy it from a phone
company at all unless you want it subsidized.
Aman

On 7/13/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 When I got my iPhone 4, I asked ATT about that.  They said to get the
 subsidised phone, they require a talk, text, and data plan with a two year
 agreement.  For most people buying their own first iPhone, I wonder how many
 actually get to skimp and not have a 2 year plan at a reduced price.
   - Original Message -
   From: Aman Singer
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:55 PM
   Subject: Re: using iphone without a data plan


   Hi, Alan and all.
   Alan writes:
   No matter what carrier your using, ATT, Sprint, etc, you need a talk,
   text, and data plan.  It's that simple.

   I'm sorry to contradict, Alan, but this is not accurate. It is
   certainly not accurate when it comes to ATT and other GSM carriers.
   Without a contract, one can use a data only plan, a voice only plan,
   and even a text only plan on a GSM phone including the iPhone. This is
   actually fairly simple, the worst case is that one needs to cut a SIM
   card to do it, and cutting SIM cards is not at all ddifficult. Even
   that is not usually necessary. As Donald has told us, even CDMA
   iPhones can be used with voice only plans through other providers. One
   need not buy any particular plan with any particular phone unless one
   is on contract or one is using a CDMA phone with a provider that
   enforces its own rules. Cellular providers would like you to think you
   need to buy a voice/data plan at least, but you don't.
   Aman

   On 7/13/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
No matter what carrier your using, ATT, Sprint, etc, you need a talk,
 text,
and data plan.  It's that simple.  One way that you could help yourself
would be to ditch your home internet connection as you can send more
 email
then anybody could possibly want in a month with the standard 2 GB worth
 of
data.
   
I know allot of folks get scared at the thought of using their phone
 for
their internet connection, texting etc.  With the edition of a
 Bluetooth
wireless keyboard you can do email about as easily as you could on your
desktop.
   
When I first got my iPhone over 2 years ago, I too was concerned about
 all
that money out the door but with the sails of desktops and laptops
 slowing
more and more, the hand writing for the future is already on the wall.
People just aren't interested.  Once you get use to pulling your phone
 out
rather then your laptop, you'll be telling those who come behind you
 the
same thing.
   
All the best to you.to
  - Original Message -
  From: Pinky
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 6:01 PM
  Subject: using iphone without a data plan
   
   
  Hello list,
   
  I have spoken to three Verizon stores regarding having a n iphone
connected with just a phone and not the data.  All three places informed
 me
I could not have the iphone connected without having a data plan.  This
 is
an Iphone I will own without any plan or contract.  Can anyone advise me
 if
this is true or not.  I did also asked at one Verizon place if I have my
 own
iphone that is unlocked can I just have the phone service.  I was told
 I
could not have the phone service without the data plan.  I already have
phone service with Verizon.  I did see earlier on this list that
 someone
stated that you could just have the phone service.  Any assistance on
 this
matter would be greatly appreciated.
  Ed
   
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Re: how to find the Sendero Seeing Eye GPS app?

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Mary and all.
Keep in mind that the developer would not have to put up a free demo.
Just as they have a single year subscription, they could have a single
month subscription or, if they wished to push it, a single day or
hour. Personally, I would pay $3 or so to try it for a week, but
there's no reason they couldn't have a subscription that was thirty
days, free of charge, and simply expire it as they do with the year's
subscription at the end of the period. This is not a question of
light/full, I think.
Aman


On 7/2/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apple does not allow for demo apps. They could do a light version which
 would have to have significant functionality crippled, which would not let
 people see how the app would really work. So blame Apple for the lack of a
 fully functioning demo, not Sendeo.

 I thought I remembered from the Keynote that in ios7, the app store will
 finally allow devs to put up fully functioning demos but maybe I'm wrong.

 Mary

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Re: would like keyboard to announce letters using voice over

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
Sorry if you've already modified this, but if you go to settings,
general, accessibility, voice over on, and scroll down that page you
should find a button which says typing feedback. Here, you can set
the typing feedback for both software and hardware keyboards, whether
nothing is spoken or whether letters/words/both are spoken. It sounds
like you may have it set to words only. If you've already done this,
you may want to make sure the change has taken by going back into the
settings application and making sure that your choice is still
selected.
Aman


On 6/26/13, Penny Golden gold...@frontiernet.net wrote:
  I have an iPod touch and a paired keyboard.  I have typed in my
 email address and when I hit the at-sign, it will give me the first part
 spoken.
 Is there some way to hear each letter as it is typed from the keyboard?
 I have written this query before and it did not show up on the list.
 Maybe I made some kind of simple error.
 Thanks for any help.

 On another front, I am having a beastly time getting my info plugged
 into the device so that I can use the free version of  pandora.  I'm
 getting some good help, but it has still been a bear for me.

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RE: Using Siri or Dragon to transpose radio speech into text/braille?

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Hi, Sandy and all.
This is rather an interesting idea, and it's one I've tried with
several products myself. My own hearing is so problematic that I am strongly
tempted to braille over speech, particularly when I don't have time to have
things repeated or can't ask. It would even be a step forward if I could get
human speech into a state fit to be spoken by Jaws, I find computerized
voices a good deal less of a problem.
Anyhow, though I have no wish to go off topic, I have tried this
with Dragon, ViaVoice, and several microphones without any success. The text
is either illegible or nearly so. The audio is fairly good, if I give it to
a human being he can understand it, so it's not an audio problem, it's a
recognition issue. Though Nuance has stated that training is not really
required for current versions of Dragon, it certainly helps. Background
noises of any sort only make things worse, and there is always some sort of
background noise. I would be most interested if anyone has tried this sort
of thing with Siri. I have not tried it for several reasons, including the
inability to easily use a decent wireless microphone with Siri, the fact
that Siri is limited in the amount of time it will allow one to dictate
without stopping, and the fact that it requires internet connectivity. If
anyone has managed to overcome these issues with Siri, or if anyone has
gotten an untrained program to recognize a normal speaker over long periods,
whether remotely or locally, I would appreciate hearing of it. I will have a
look at In Touch this week, Sandy, with thanks for letting us know about it.
Aman
  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandratomkins
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Siri or Dragon to transpose radio speech into text/braille?

Hi everyone,

I was just listening to a programme on radio 4 UK, called In touch.
This is a weekly prog dedicated to the interests of the VIP community. This
time it was looking at the potential of using voice recognition to provide
Deaf Blind people with a transcript of radio programmes. I should mention,
for those who don't know it, Radio 4 is primarily a speech based service as
apposed to music based. There is a scheme afoot, in the States, using
centralised computing power to begin this service for some radio stations
there. Now, this got me thinking, couldn't Siri/Dragon do this for us
directly on our phones? Has anyone come across an app that already does
this, or am i in the vanguard here?

Personally, I don't, at this moment, need such a service, but I think,
this might be useful to some of our members, especially, if, instead of
waiting for national efforts, we could do it for ourselves. I do see so many
apps appearing, seemingly, after the horse has bolted, as it were, offering
functionality to us, the which we already have through the mainstream, but
an app of this sort might actually offer a new form of access to a
subsection of VIP iPhone users and increase their access to the spoken word
in a meaningful way. Also, I am thinking, seeing as many of these apps
actually learn as they are used, it might provide the basis of voice to text
recognition on the fly.

Am I making sense? Does this thought seem useful or am I behind the
times?

JMT, Sandy. 

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Re: Need an app for using a samba server on my IPhone.

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Hi.
I second the recommendation of NetPortal, but keep FileExplorer and
Oplayer on your radar, as well. It all depends on what you want to do
and which interface pleases you more.
Aman

On 5/8/13, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Give net portal a go; I used to use it frequently for connecting to
 SMB shares but can't speak for the latest couple of updates.

 Cheers,
 Ben.

 On 5/8/13, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.

 I have tried to use aceplayer for connecting to my sambaserver. My Samba
 server is a harddrive connected to my airport extreme, it works with
 aceplayer, but it often stopps working. Can anyone recommend an app that
 lets you stream video and music.

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Re: Double Tap and Hold Using a Braille Display

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Hi, Nicola. 
I will do my best to send out a description as to how this should be done soon. 
In the mean time, however, I did, some years ago now, write a description of 
how to modify the commands. This is a bit out of date now, I think, but may 
still be of use
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?fromgroups#!topic/viphone/5hHHgVzWEOk
will find it. The command descriptor for double tap and hold is, I think, 
SimulateLongPress
but you will probably want to check that with the keyboard file, I am relying 
on the organic solid state drive which, like its silicon counterpart, sometimes 
tends to lose information. 
HTH. 
Aman 

On 2013-04-19, at 5:20 AM, Nicola Sanders nicola.sand...@telenet.be wrote:

 Hi, Aman,
 
 I for one would certainly appreciate some instructions, if you have time to
 write them up.
 
 Just one question:  Would this method also enable me to assign a key
 combination to the Find command, emulating the Bluetooth keyboard
 functionality, or does it only work with commands that can be executed on
 the touchscreen?
 
 I think I may still be on moderation as a new member, so apologies if my
 message doesn't happen to reach the list in a timely manner;  but I couldn't
 resist chiming in, as using a Braille display is important to me for
 professional reasons.  I have a BrailleNote Apex, in case it's relevant.
 
 Many thanks,
 
 Nicky
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Aman Singer
 Sent: 18 April 2013 22:19
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Double Tap and Hold Using a Braille Display
 
 Hi, Scott.
 I'm not quite sure what you mean by write up code, but what you can
 do is modify commands for each key. That is, you can, as I said, make
 a braill display button perform a function, changing its original
 function to the one you want. I am using the button on the front of
 the refreshabraille to do the double tap and hold, it was a back
 button before, but there is already a back command, so this was
 redundant. Note that there are quite a few commands which are
 redundant on many displays.
 Aman
 
 On 4/18/13, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can write up code for commands with braille displays once your
 device is jailbroken? If that is true, then I need to get
 jailbreaking. LOL.
 
 Scott
 
 On 4/18/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, Sarah.
 The functionality is not available unless you jailbreak and edit the
 files yourself. If you want instructions on doing that, let me know
 and I'll try to write up a set over the weekend. I suspect, but
 cannot, of course, be sure, that Apple will get to this at some point,
 there is no problem in doing it on most displays at least, I'm not
 quite sure why Apple has chosen not to do it in the current releases.
 Aman
 
 On 4/18/13, Sarah Cranston sarah.crans...@blind.state.ia.us wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 On a QWERTY keyboard, control+option+shift+m is the equivalent of the
 double
 tap and hold gesture on the touch screen. Is there an equivalent
 keystroke
 for Braille displays?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sarah
 
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Re: Double Tap and Hold Using a Braille Display

[Aman Singer]

Sorry, Nicola, I forgot to deal with your request about the find command. I'm 
afraid I don't have any experience with find. I do know, however, that you can 
assign braille keys to keyboard functions. I will look in to the find command 
later, as it will be useful to have that.
Aman

On 2013-04-19, at 5:20 AM, Nicola Sanders nicola.sand...@telenet.be wrote:

 Hi, Aman,
 
 I for one would certainly appreciate some instructions, if you have time to
 write them up.
 
 Just one question:  Would this method also enable me to assign a key
 combination to the Find command, emulating the Bluetooth keyboard
 functionality, or does it only work with commands that can be executed on
 the touchscreen?
 
 I think I may still be on moderation as a new member, so apologies if my
 message doesn't happen to reach the list in a timely manner;  but I couldn't
 resist chiming in, as using a Braille display is important to me for
 professional reasons.  I have a BrailleNote Apex, in case it's relevant.
 
 Many thanks,
 
 Nicky
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Aman Singer
 Sent: 18 April 2013 22:19
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Double Tap and Hold Using a Braille Display
 
 Hi, Scott.
 I'm not quite sure what you mean by write up code, but what you can
 do is modify commands for each key. That is, you can, as I said, make
 a braill display button perform a function, changing its original
 function to the one you want. I am using the button on the front of
 the refreshabraille to do the double tap and hold, it was a back
 button before, but there is already a back command, so this was
 redundant. Note that there are quite a few commands which are
 redundant on many displays.
 Aman
 
 On 4/18/13, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can write up code for commands with braille displays once your
 device is jailbroken? If that is true, then I need to get
 jailbreaking. LOL.
 
 Scott
 
 On 4/18/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, Sarah.
 The functionality is not available unless you jailbreak and edit the
 files yourself. If you want instructions on doing that, let me know
 and I'll try to write up a set over the weekend. I suspect, but
 cannot, of course, be sure, that Apple will get to this at some point,
 there is no problem in doing it on most displays at least, I'm not
 quite sure why Apple has chosen not to do it in the current releases.
 Aman
 
 On 4/18/13, Sarah Cranston sarah.crans...@blind.state.ia.us wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 On a QWERTY keyboard, control+option+shift+m is the equivalent of the
 double
 tap and hold gesture on the touch screen. Is there an equivalent
 keystroke
 for Braille displays?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sarah
 
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Re: Double Tap and Hold Using a Braille Display

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Hi, Sarah.
The functionality is not available unless you jailbreak and edit the
files yourself. If you want instructions on doing that, let me know
and I'll try to write up a set over the weekend. I suspect, but
cannot, of course, be sure, that Apple will get to this at some point,
there is no problem in doing it on most displays at least, I'm not
quite sure why Apple has chosen not to do it in the current releases.
Aman

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 Hi all,

 On a QWERTY keyboard, control+option+shift+m is the equivalent of the double
 tap and hold gesture on the touch screen. Is there an equivalent keystroke
 for Braille displays?

 Thanks,

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Re: Double Tap and Hold Using a Braille Display

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Hi, Scott.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by write up code, but what you can
do is modify commands for each key. That is, you can, as I said, make
a braill display button perform a function, changing its original
function to the one you want. I am using the button on the front of
the refreshabraille to do the double tap and hold, it was a back
button before, but there is already a back command, so this was
redundant. Note that there are quite a few commands which are
redundant on many displays.
Aman

On 4/18/13, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can write up code for commands with braille displays once your
 device is jailbroken? If that is true, then I need to get
 jailbreaking. LOL.

 Scott

 On 4/18/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, Sarah.
 The functionality is not available unless you jailbreak and edit the
 files yourself. If you want instructions on doing that, let me know
 and I'll try to write up a set over the weekend. I suspect, but
 cannot, of course, be sure, that Apple will get to this at some point,
 there is no problem in doing it on most displays at least, I'm not
 quite sure why Apple has chosen not to do it in the current releases.
 Aman

 On 4/18/13, Sarah Cranston sarah.crans...@blind.state.ia.us wrote:
 Hi all,

 On a QWERTY keyboard, control+option+shift+m is the equivalent of the
 double
 tap and hold gesture on the touch screen. Is there an equivalent
 keystroke
 for Braille displays?

 Thanks,

 Sarah

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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

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Hi.
Typing on the iPad is a good deal easier than on the smaller devices,
at least in my experience. Also, there is an argument to be made that
the iPad is easier for teachers to work with when teaching some
concept or other than the smaller screen of the iPhone. Other than
that, for the totally blind user, I see no significant advantage. I
also think there are disadvantages, the iPad is larger, a bit more of
a battery hog, etc. I had to make a choice between the iPad, iPad
mini, and iPod, and chose the latter for size and battery reasons.
With a 3G router, it doesn't matter whether the unit has access to the
cellular network or not, in my view.
Aman

On 3/27/13, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:
 I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two further
 in your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why a person
 who is blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the dexterity
 considerations I don't see any particular advantage unless one is visually
 impaired thusly the letters and icons would be larger.

 Fred Olver
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   To: ViPhone
   Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
   Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too


   The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

   Ubergizmo


   The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at
 Apple with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this
 does not mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as well
 as the right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually
 impaired folks too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet
 device.

   As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman from
 the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct
 teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the visually
 impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see barriers being
 broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I wonder whether
 similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so that those who
 want to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel left out of the
 equation.

   By Ubergizmo. Related articles: Logitech Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad
 mini, Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store
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Re: best epub reader app for I Phone and accessibility?

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Hi.
Also, to answer the original question about Gutenberg, VoiceDream
allows direct download from Gutenberg. You can, obviously, import your
Gutenberg books from iTunes/Dropbox/whatever other method you like,
but direct access to Gutenberg is a nice touch.
I hope that's of use.
Aman

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 You can read these types of books with Voice Dream. It's great.

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 Hi,

 I believe you can read epub with the iBooks app.

 Kimber

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 I see that project Gutenberg suggests several apps for reading their
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 in epub format.

 does anyone know the most accessible and usable app for reading epubs on

 the
 I Phone?

 Thanks.

 Dan Beaver

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Re: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Timothy.
I would respectfully disagree that any of the things you note below
have to do with the iPad except for container movement. All the rest
are due to companies not properly putting accessibility into their
applications. If SXM properly made their products accessible, there
wouldn't be an issue in navigation, and if Apple allowed iBooks to
have pages turned by the scrolling of a braille display, the largeness
of the pages wouldn't matter. Personally, I like typing on the iPad
and actually like the size/shape of the product for certain functions,
and it can definitely be used by blind people, but the things you
specifically mention are problems in access on the iDevices, not
advantages of the iPad.
Aman


On 3/27/13, Timothy Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm going to chime in here, and I am also going to forward this on to some
 folks, for a few reasons. The biggest of couse is, that yes blind people can
 use an iPad and it does have a place and it goes beyond the dexterity issues
 you mentioned in your message. It may be a little bigger than an iPhone
 especially if you don't have an iPad mini but along with the extra real
 estate as it were, some apps give you more features and ways to interact on
 a bigger screen and the app developers make some of their apps take
 advantage of that size. Voiceover works a little differently on the iPad
 than it does on the phone, the basics are the same but some of the
 interaction is different in double tapping, holding, swiping, you have more
 room to do b igger gestures a four finger swipe for instance to bring up the
 app switcher, moving through emails and texts by container instead of just
 headings which moves you from section to section, etc. I could go on and on,
 but those are just a few ideas and things but an example of an app that
 works so much differently and better on the iPad, is of course the sirius Xm
 app. This app, on the phone is workable but a little different. On the iPad
 all your channel information is displayed, you can move through the channels
 without searching for certain areas on the screen, and you can get to things
 more quickly than on the phone. iBooks read differently than on the phone
 your pages are bigger. If you use a braille display this makes a difference
 because you're not having to advance page by page as quickly. I hope this
 helps and hope this might clear some thigns up but the iPad does work for
 blind people, can be used for pleasure as well as business and depending on
 the need can fit righ in with some of the best accessibility out there. I am
 a regional librarian for the Blind here in Alabama, and work with the
 braille collection as well as the technology and alternative reading methods
 and I teach classes, and give instruction on the iPad a lot and can tell you
 it makes a difference in those that use it, for some they would rather have
 it than the iPhone or the iPod. I hope this helps and if you have any
 comments let me know. Thanks and take care.
 On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Fred Olver wrote:

 I am interested in your train of thought, could you go a step or two
 further in your thinking or what you know. I have often thought about why
 a person who is blind might want to use an iPad however beyond the
 dexterity considerations I don't see any particular advantage unless one
 is visually impaired thusly the letters and icons would be larger.

 Fred Olver
 - Original Message -
 From: Avnish Chopra
 To: ViPhone
 Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:53 AM
 Subject: The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too

 The Blind Have Use For An iPad, Too
 Ubergizmo

 The blind might not be the original target market for the folks over at
 Apple with the hugely successful iPad tablet in the first place, but this
 does not mean that with a little bit of training, some perseverance, as
 well as the right kind of software in place, the blind as well as visually
 impaired folks too, are able to take advantage of this popular tablet
 device.

 As you can check out in the video above from Bloomberg, Jon Erlichman from
 the same company participated in a workshop that actually helps instruct
 teachers on how one is able to unlock the power of the iPad for the
 visually impaired. This is definitely a heart warming video, as we see
 barriers being broken down thanks to the wonders of modern technology. I
 wonder whether similar training concepts and ideas can be incorporated so
 that those who want to use tablets on the Android platform will not feel
 left out of the equation.

 By Ubergizmo. Related articles: Logitech Keyboard Folio for iPad and iPad
 mini, Apple Adds 'Offers In-App Purchases' Warning To App Store
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Re: What and how do you use voice dreamer reader?

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Esther and all.
Maria's message below is excellent, but there is one small matter which does 
not match my experience. Maria writes:

While you cannot navigate by sections in a DAISY book as you can with
Read2Go,

Here, when i am in a DAISY book, and click the bookmarks button, I get a list 
of sections and can navigate to them. I've only tried a few DAISY books, so 
would appreciate confirmation or correction, but the ability to navigate 
through the book by section seems to be there whenever sections are available, 
whether in Epub or DAISY. 
HTH.
Aman  

On 2013-03-15, at 4:39 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:

 While you cannot navigate by sections in a DAISY book as you can with
 Read2Go,

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Re: VoiceDream Reader, Activator, and treating books like music with hardware buttons

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
The phone has to be jailbroken to allow you to use the hardware keys
on the device as play/pause, previous track, and next track buttons.
The phone does not have to be jailbroken to use those commands with
VoiceDream. The jailbreaking of the device is needed to make the audio
control commands available through hardware buttons on the device, it
is not needed to make those audio control commands work on VoiceDream.
I hope that's of use.
Aman

On 3/12/13, Mary Ellen Sanchez sanchez.maryel...@gmail.com wrote:
 So the phone has to be jail broken for this right??

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Aman Singer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:21 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: VoiceDream Reader, Activator, and treating books like music with
 hardware buttons

 Hi, all.
   I'm sure everyone knows about this, but it's something I just
 discovered and I thought it would do no harm to put it out there in case
 someone has, like me, not yet found out about it. If one has jailbroken his
 device, and has VoiceDream Reader, one can use Activator to enable playing,
 pausing, and moving between books as if they were songs using hardware
 buttons on the device. For example, one can cause the pressing of the two
 volume buttons together, wherever they are pressed and whether the device
 is
 locked or unlocked, to play/pause the reading of a book. Again, for
 example,
 the pressing of the volume down followed by volume up can move to the next
 book, while the pressing of volume up followed by volume down can move to
 the previous book. To set this up, simply install Activator, which is
 available from the standard Cydia repositories, go into the program, and
 set
 up your favourite hardware keys as shortcuts for the previous track, next
 track, and play/pause functions. The nice thing about this, besides the
 fact
 that you can use it while the device is locked, is that what these
 functions
 do is dependent upon the last item you played. That is, if you last played
 a
 book with VoiceDream, your previous/next/PlayPause will act to go to the
 previous book, next book, and will play/pause books, not music. If, on the
 other hand, you played a file from the music player last, those functions
 will apply to the music, not to the book. Note also that you can, in
 VoiceDream settings, modify things so that the previous/next track buttons
 move by 30 seconds within a book, rather than going to the previous or next
 book in the list.
   If anyone is unfamiliar with Activator, this podcast
 http://empoweringtheblind.com/2013/02/12/new-episode-activator-can-your-smar
 tphone-really-be-smartt/
 explains it. The VoiceDream site is
 http://www.voicedream.com/
 Aman

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VoiceDream Reader, Activator, and treating books like music with hardware buttons

[Aman Singer]

Hi, all.
I'm sure everyone knows about this, but it's something I just
discovered and I thought it would do no harm to put it out there in case
someone has, like me, not yet found out about it. If one has jailbroken his
device, and has VoiceDream Reader, one can use Activator to enable playing,
pausing, and moving between books as if they were songs using hardware
buttons on the device. For example, one can cause the pressing of the two
volume buttons together, wherever they are pressed and whether the device is
locked or unlocked, to play/pause the reading of a book. Again, for example,
the pressing of the volume down followed by volume up can move to the next
book, while the pressing of volume up followed by volume down can move to
the previous book. To set this up, simply install Activator, which is
available from the standard Cydia repositories, go into the program, and set
up your favourite hardware keys as shortcuts for the previous track, next
track, and play/pause functions. The nice thing about this, besides the fact
that you can use it while the device is locked, is that what these functions
do is dependent upon the last item you played. That is, if you last played a
book with VoiceDream, your previous/next/PlayPause will act to go to the
previous book, next book, and will play/pause books, not music. If, on the
other hand, you played a file from the music player last, those functions
will apply to the music, not to the book. Note also that you can, in
VoiceDream settings, modify things so that the previous/next track buttons
move by 30 seconds within a book, rather than going to the previous or next
book in the list.
If anyone is unfamiliar with Activator, this podcast
http://empoweringtheblind.com/2013/02/12/new-episode-activator-can-your-smar
tphone-really-be-smartt/ 
explains it. The VoiceDream site is
http://www.voicedream.com/
Aman

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Re: VoiceDream Reader, Activator, and treating books like music with hardware buttons

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Richard.
That doesn't burst my bubble at all. If it's true, it inflates it :) I
would much rather have something people could use without
jailbreaking, many people don't like to do so. I am, however, not able
to make it work without jailbreaking. That is, hitting the volume up
and volume down together does not start music playing on my brother's
non-jailbroken device without activator. Similarly, hitting volume
down, then up, does not move to the next song, nor does hitting volume
up, then down, move to the previous song. Remember that the point of
my message was simply to enable people to use the play/pause commands
with hardware keys and to point out that those same commands would
work with VoiceDream as well as music. The next/previous/play/pause
commands will certainly work with VoiceDream on a non-jailbroken
device, but I know of no way to make these commands work with the
hardware keys without activator, which is a tweak only available by
jailbreaking. On a device without activator, hitting volume down and
up together results in a click, hitting volume up and then down
quickly just changes the volume, as does hitting volume down then up
quickly. I hope you're right, you understand, I just don't think you
are.
Aman


On 3/12/13, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:
 I hate to burst your bubble, but that is the default behavior whether you
 have a jail broken device or not.

 Richard


 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

 On Mar 12, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, all.
I'm sure everyone knows about this, but it's something I just
 discovered and I thought it would do no harm to put it out there in case
 someone has, like me, not yet found out about it. If one has jailbroken
 his
 device, and has VoiceDream Reader, one can use Activator to enable
 playing,
 pausing, and moving between books as if they were songs using hardware
 buttons on the device. For example, one can cause the pressing of the two
 volume buttons together, wherever they are pressed and whether the device
 is
 locked or unlocked, to play/pause the reading of a book. Again, for
 example,
 the pressing of the volume down followed by volume up can move to the
 next
 book, while the pressing of volume up followed by volume down can move to
 the previous book. To set this up, simply install Activator, which is
 available from the standard Cydia repositories, go into the program, and
 set
 up your favourite hardware keys as shortcuts for the previous track, next
 track, and play/pause functions. The nice thing about this, besides the
 fact
 that you can use it while the device is locked, is that what these
 functions
 do is dependent upon the last item you played. That is, if you last played
 a
 book with VoiceDream, your previous/next/PlayPause will act to go to the
 previous book, next book, and will play/pause books, not music. If, on
 the
 other hand, you played a file from the music player last, those functions
 will apply to the music, not to the book. Note also that you can, in
 VoiceDream settings, modify things so that the previous/next track
 buttons
 move by 30 seconds within a book, rather than going to the previous or
 next
 book in the list.
If anyone is unfamiliar with Activator, this podcast
 http://empoweringtheblind.com/2013/02/12/new-episode-activator-can-your-smar
 tphone-really-be-smartt/
 explains it. The VoiceDream site is
 http://www.voicedream.com/
 Aman

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Re: Question.

[Aman Singer]

You know, I might get married, and have a son, and my son might grow
up and get into criminal circles, and his friends might commit a
crime, and they might frame him for the crime, and I might have no
money for a lawyer and investigators, and then he might go to jail,
and he might kill someone in jail, and he'd get the death penalty.
What would I do then?
There is a proverb about the high interest paid on borrowing trouble
which would suit us well for the moment. As it stands, this looks like
a tempest in a tea pot. For anything at all to happen to voiceover the
following would have to have happened first:
1. The German federal patent court would have to find the patent to be
valid in some way. This is already unlikely, the patent has already
been narrowed by Samsung from its previous position, the patent is
very wide as written, and the patent has other problems which are too
many to list here.
2. A second court, of Manheim, would have to find that Apple infringed
the patent as dealt with by Apple, Samsung, and the court.
3. All appeals from the decisions above would have to be given up on or to fail.
4. All negotiations between Apple and Samsung about licensing or
otherwise dealing with the patent would have to fail. Samsung would
have to insist on what they're asking for now, which is for Apple to
stop using the patented technology.
Having said all that, it is not clear what would happen to voiceover
if this patent were upheld because we, or at least I, am not sure what
the patent looks like now that it has been narrowed. The patent as
written originally seems to apply to every single function of a screen
reader for mobile phones as initiated by the user. I haven't seen the
patent as changed or even the patent in German. What it will look like
by the end of this is something nobody knows yet, not even Apple and
Samsung themselves. If you're like me, and insist on worrying about
something or planning for eventualities, I can give you much more
pressing things...
Aman



On 2/23/13, anita silky...@gmail.com wrote:
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 If the unthinkable happens, in that IOS products aren't accessible to
 us, then what to do next? Going back to MobileSpeak isn't anything I want to
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Re: Question.

[Aman Singer]

Hi, David.
If I may ask, where do you get the idea that only triple-click home is
being challenged in this case? If you look at both the patent and the
analysis provided by Mueller, the patent seems to want to challenge
allot more than that, in fact, it seems to take in many actions of a
screen reader user to readd, get information, etc. If this were
limited to physical presses like the home key, I don't think it would
be too much of a concern, after all, Android already has a touch only
method of activating accessibility and there is no reason Apple
couldn't do the same. If you read the patent and the analysis, before
narrowing anyhow, the patent seems to take in quite a few other
actions of a screen reader user. I hope you're right, you understand,
I just don't think you are and, if you are, I don't think it matters
very much whether the case is won or lost by Apple.
Aman


On 2/24/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Of course, it is only triple-click home which is being challenged in this
 case.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 24/02/2013, at 11:10, Nimit Kaur kaur.ni...@gmail.com wrote:

 But will the voiceover setting still be on setting, general,
 accessibility, and voiceover?  Will we still be able to turn on VO
 connecting to ITUNES on our PC using Jaws?  Thanks!


 On 2/23/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 That won't happen. What may happen, if Samsung is successful, is
 triple-click home will be disabled so you would not be able to turn VO
 on
 and off independently.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 24/02/2013, at 10:52, anita silky...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi List,
If the unthinkable happens, in that IOS products aren't accessible
 to
 us, then what to do next? Going back to MobileSpeak isn't anything I
 want
 to do!
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Re: VoiceOver threatened by Samsung

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
The patent does not simply apply to the home button, at least as
originally submitted. Despite that, I would say that any reaction at
the moment is a bit overblown, after all, the court did stay the
action on this patent for now with a plain hint that the ruling in the
federal court was likely to turn out badly for Samsung. In any case,
from reading the patent
 (the US version of the patent, anyway, I don't read German, the patent
 seems to have other issues, it is very wide and I know of two products
 which did this even before the Korean patent which the American and
 German patents are based on was issued back in 1999. Samsung has
 already narrowed the patent significantly, but according to the judge,
 eeven the narrowed patent is unlikely to succeed. I haven't seen the
 narrowed patent description, and don't know where it can be found
 online if it can be found at all. The US patent is at
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=6937700.PN.OS=PN/6937700RS=PN/6937700
 The german patent, for those of us who know that language, is at
http://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/pat/PatSchrifteneinsicht?docId=DE10040386B4page=1dpi=150lang=de
 and a blogger's description of the stay and reasons for it is at
http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/02/german-court-stays-samsungs-voiceover.html
 The blogger, Florian Mueller, has a bunch of interesting links with
 his own views about the case and seems to link to source documents
 when he can, which is great. I got the links I pasted in above from
 his site. Personally, I suspect this is unimportant, I would be
 surprised if Samsung's patent was upheld, if Apple were found to have
 infringed it and, even if those two astonishing things come to pass,
 if Samsung and Apple don't work something out as a licensing
 arrangement. Remember that this is all part of a much larger situation
 which is worldwide and which is about many other patents/issues.
Aman




On 2/23/13, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:
 The article that was quoted here was originally published by the BBC.
 However, several of the financial and technology publications have also
 picked this up. There's no question that the thoughts behind the article are
 legitimate.

 Bob Fenton

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 2013-02-23, at 12:51 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 I do not know. I received the message from another list. I'm sure if you
 do a google search, you will be able to find the publication.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 24/02/2013, at 2:30, Craig Werner coffeeb...@gmail.com wrote:

 David, what is the source of this article?  For whom does Leo Kelion
 write?

 Craig

 On 2/23/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: VoiceOver threatened by Samsung
 Reply-To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
 blind-democr...@octothorp.org

 Even if Samsung does not succeed in their action, the very fact
 they've
 even tried it guarantees I will never buy a Samsung product.
 And to think Samsung was instrumental in establishing the guide dog
 school
 in Korea.
 Unconscionable.
 Alice
 Samsung struggles to block iPhone function for the blindBy Leo
 Kelion

 Technology reporter

 The VoiceOver function is designed to help
 blind and partially sighted consumers use the
 iPhone Samsung has suffered a setback in its
 effort to win an iPhone ban based on a function
 making its software accessible to blind people.

 The South Korean firm had sought an injunction in
 a German court arguing Apple's VoiceOver
 screen-access facility infringed one of its patents.

 However, the judge has ordered the case to be
 suspended pending another ruling that could invalidate Samsung's
 claim.

 Disability campaigners had expressed concern about the case.

 Apple's VoiceOver function is used by blind and
 partially-sighted people to hear a description of
 what the iPhone is showing by touching its screen.

 The software covers text and icons including
 audio descriptions of the battery level and
 network signal. It also allows the phones to be
 operated via Braille-based add-ons.

 Samsung had argued that Apple had failed to
 licence a patent it owned which describes
 pressing a button to make a handset describe its
 display. The basis for this was that VoiceOver
 could be switched on by triple-clicking the iPhone's home button.

 Apple declined to comment.

 A statement from Samsung said: For decades, we
 have heavily invested in pioneering the
 development of technological innovations in the
 mobile industry, which have been constantly reflected in our products.

 We continue to believe that Apple has infringed
 our patented mobile technologies, and we will
 continue to take the measures necessary to
 protect our intellectual property rights.

 'Regrettable in the extreme'

 Patent consultant Florian Muller, who was first
 to 

Re: VoiceOver threatened by Samsung

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
I would be stunned if they had any interest in the blind/visually
impaired market, that market is so close to nonexistence as to make
little difference. Samsung has just been throwing all their patents at
Apple and seeing what sticks. Apple has been doing the same. It's a
shame people can't make new products rather than abusing the patent
system by filing patents which try to swallow the hole world and
forcing the courts to make them throw up.
Aman

On 2/23/13, Philip S philso1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just curious, is it possible that Samsung is thinking about capturing
 some of the blind/visually impaired consumer smartphone market from
 Apple, albeit in a very nasty and unwise way?
 Does anyone know if Samsung is working on some major smartphone
 accessibility project?


 On 2/23/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.
 The patent does not simply apply to the home button, at least as
 originally submitted. Despite that, I would say that any reaction at
 the moment is a bit overblown, after all, the court did stay the
 action on this patent for now with a plain hint that the ruling in the
 federal court was likely to turn out badly for Samsung. In any case,
 from reading the patent
  (the US version of the patent, anyway, I don't read German, the patent
  seems to have other issues, it is very wide and I know of two products
  which did this even before the Korean patent which the American and
  German patents are based on was issued back in 1999. Samsung has
  already narrowed the patent significantly, but according to the judge,
  eeven the narrowed patent is unlikely to succeed. I haven't seen the
  narrowed patent description, and don't know where it can be found
  online if it can be found at all. The US patent is at
 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=6937700.PN.OS=PN/6937700RS=PN/6937700
  The german patent, for those of us who know that language, is at
 http://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/pat/PatSchrifteneinsicht?docId=DE10040386B4page=1dpi=150lang=de
  and a blogger's description of the stay and reasons for it is at
 http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/02/german-court-stays-samsungs-voiceover.html
  The blogger, Florian Mueller, has a bunch of interesting links with
  his own views about the case and seems to link to source documents
  when he can, which is great. I got the links I pasted in above from
  his site. Personally, I suspect this is unimportant, I would be
  surprised if Samsung's patent was upheld, if Apple were found to have
  infringed it and, even if those two astonishing things come to pass,
  if Samsung and Apple don't work something out as a licensing
  arrangement. Remember that this is all part of a much larger situation
  which is worldwide and which is about many other patents/issues.
 Aman




 On 2/23/13, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:
 The article that was quoted here was originally published by the BBC.
 However, several of the financial and technology publications have also
 picked this up. There's no question that the thoughts behind the article
 are
 legitimate.

 Bob Fenton

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 2013-02-23, at 12:51 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I do not know. I received the message from another list. I'm sure if
 you
 do a google search, you will be able to find the publication.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 24/02/2013, at 2:30, Craig Werner coffeeb...@gmail.com wrote:

 David, what is the source of this article?  For whom does Leo Kelion
 write?

 Craig

 On 2/23/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: VoiceOver threatened by Samsung
 Reply-To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
 blind-democr...@octothorp.org

 Even if Samsung does not succeed in their action, the very fact
 they've
 even tried it guarantees I will never buy a Samsung product.
 And to think Samsung was instrumental in establishing the guide dog
 school
 in Korea.
 Unconscionable.
 Alice
 Samsung struggles to block iPhone function for the blindBy Leo
 Kelion

 Technology reporter

 The VoiceOver function is designed to help
 blind and partially sighted consumers use the
 iPhone Samsung has suffered a setback in its
 effort to win an iPhone ban based on a function
 making its software accessible to blind people.

 The South Korean firm had sought an injunction in
 a German court arguing Apple's VoiceOver
 screen-access facility infringed one of its patents.

 However, the judge has ordered the case to be
 suspended pending another ruling that could invalidate Samsung's
 claim.

 Disability campaigners had expressed concern about the case.

 Apple's VoiceOver function is used by blind and
 partially-sighted people to hear a description of
 what the iPhone is showing by touching its screen.

 The software covers text and icons including
 audio descriptions

Re: VoiceOver threatened by Samsung

[Aman Singer]

Hi, Cheryl.
I'm afraid they didn't lose the case, the judge has simply stopped it
from moving forward for a period of time. That period of time will end
when another court gives its decision. If the decision is favourable
to Samsung and the patent, then the case starts up again. This is not
a loss for Samsung, it's a delay of the case.
I hope that's of use.
Aman

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Re: Why we need a searchable iPhone manual

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Hi.
What, if I may ask, about the iPhone manual in the iBooks store? It's
in Epub, and you should be able to search it with iBooks. You don't
mention this in your message. Have you tried this as well?
Aman

On 2/21/13, Don  Cher Bosch oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 All-



 I miss the .doc or .txt manual versions we used to be able to get. When I
 can't find something by hit or miss in the html manual, I can't think of
 any
 way to search the entire thing at once. If you're clueless where to look or
 of you've run out of guesses, you're just out! I just tried the .pdf
 version
 and it won't let you save it as anything but pdf on-line (not searchable)
 and I'm not seeing anything but the first page and that frustrating 'Open
 Parent Document Button' L



 Is there another way to skin this cat? I've cut and pasted html manuals
 before but it is time-consuming to say the least.



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Re: most accessible IPhone user guide?

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Hi.
There are several accessible iPhone user guides, one in Epub from the
iBooks store, and another at
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html
I'm not sure, however,  if the second one has been updated. I hope
that's of use.
Aman

On 2/20/13, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Don't you have it in safari Favourites?
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Beaver GMail dbeaver...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:52 PM
 Subject: most accessible IPhone user guide?


 Hi,

 Is there an accessible IPhone user guide?  The one I have found is obviously

 a scanned pdf and is not OCRing very well at all.

 Any good one would be very much appreciated.

 Thanks.

 Dan Beaver

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Re: Jail Break Windows 7 64 bit

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Hi.
I have jailbroken on several 64-bit systems, including Windows 7 and
8. I have had no trouble whatever, and have not heard of anyone who
has.
I hope that's of use.
Aman

On 2/15/13, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi:
 Did I read correctly that it is difficult to Jail Break a phone with
 Windows 7 64 bit? I've ignored these threads over time but the idea of
 being able to use better voices and have access to the folders on the
 IPhone 5 is changing my mind.

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Re: Fleksy is now free

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Hi, all.
I don't like Fleksy at all, so have no particular dog in this fight. I
didn't get it before and am not that interested in getting it now,
even though it is free, I don't use the on-screen keyboard and didn't
like the program, anyway, when I was working with it during the
testing period. Having said that, I am rather confused about what the
people here want the developers to do. Say you're a program developer,
and would, because you have found another source of funding for your
program, because you want to get your program on more devices, because
you want advertising revenue, because you want to give back to the
community, or whatever other reason you have, like to make your
program free of charge. Say that you couldn't do that from the very
beginning for whatever reason, or even say that you tried to make a
living profit on the program and found you couldn't, so decided to
take the goodwill of making the program free. What ought you to do?
Ought you to give a refund to all your purchasers? What if you've
already spent the money on such things as shelter and food? BTW, why
not do that whenever you have a sale? After all, there may be people
who bought just before the sale, so it would obviously be reasonable
to refund to everyone who purchased at the regular price. Ought you
not to make your program free, thus leaving other people to pay when
they need not and just collect whatever funds come in? Surely, that
would be depriving someone of a useful program if they couldn't pay
for it? What should the developers have done so as not to upset some
people, if I may ask?
Aman


On 2/16/13, Tess tess...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would have to agree, we spend money that we didn't have too and now to
 see
 it has gone free?
 Yeah, it sucks.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Wil James
 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:17 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Fleksy is now free

 Who doesn't?  I think he's aggravated because the app has gone free.  I can
 see both sides of the coin here though.

 With Fleksy going free, he feels like he got ripped off.  On the other
 hand,
 I waited and didn't purchase fleksy because with the lack of it being among
 my keyboards, I didn't feel the need to purchase it.  With this product now
 free, it is my gain to use it.

 Good things come to those who wait.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ricardo Walker [mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Fleksy is now free

 You don't like free apps?

 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

 On Feb 16, 2013, at 1:45 AM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 This is the kind of thing that really pisses me off.

 Andy


 -Original Message- From: Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:05 PM
 To: viphone
 Cc: A-IOS
 Subject: Fleksy is now free

 Hi folks,

 Fleksy has gone free.  Here goes the release.

 http://blog.fleksy.com/post/43160706356/state-of-touch-typing-fleksy-goes-fr
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 hth

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Re: Evasi0n jailbreak - my observations

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Annie.
This is still quite easy. Very little seems to have changed since a
jailbreak was last available. The instructions I sent to the list then
still work now
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/viphone/5hHHgVzWEOk
The thing which has changed, or on which my memory fails me, is the
issue of the common commands. That is, for each braille display, dot 3
plus space moves to the next rotor item. I cannot find where this is
set. I can only find the single key commands for specific displays,
mapping each button to a function. This mapping is set in the braille
display specific files I mention at the above link.
I hope that is of some use to you.
Aman

On 2/5/13, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 I only thought if it would be possible to change a little in how the buttons
 behaves on my braille display.

 Best regards Annie.
 On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote:

 Hi, I'm not sure what you mean about changing Braille and key
 assignments.

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 On 2/4/2013 8:31 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:
 Hi.

 Another question about braille. Can you change some settings I am
 thinking of jailbreaking, if I could change apples terrible key
 assignments. I know that it could be done earlier, but can it still be
 done.

 Best regards Annie.
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 On 2/4/2013 2:34 PM, Blind Treasures wrote:
 HI, I just jail broke my IP 5 but when I try to search for something in
 the
 Cydia I can't get any results. I'm pretty sure that someone on this
 list
 told me what to do in Cydia to resolve this but I can't remember from
 my
 last JB. Any help would be appreciated.



 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Ben Mustill-Rose
 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:25 PM
 To: viphone
 Subject: Evasi0n jailbreak - my observations

 Hi all,

 I've just successfuly jailbroken my 4s; the process took around 3
 minutes
 and is largely unattended. Note that towards the end of the process you
 will
 need to unlock the device, find a new icon called jailbreak and open
 it.
 Whilst your computer will tell you this, I found that my screen
 readers
 focus wouldn't stay on the message long enough for me to read it
 completely.
 Never the less, it's great to be able to fully use my phone again.

 Cheers,
 Ben.

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Jonathan and all.
I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to
allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally
across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on
the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there
doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the
right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than
happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the
ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even
more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed.
Aman

On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
 phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
 the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
 phone on a flat surface to input.

 Kim

 On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

 Sent from my iPod

 On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
 but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
 the
 app before purchase is excellent.

 I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
 this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
 you
 would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
 refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
 don't.
 On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
 little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
 they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
 under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
 cell,
 but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
 refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
 the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

 I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
 think
 there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
 find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
 devices.

 Congrats to the developers on the app.

 Jonathan

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Re: Voice Dream Reader

[Aman Singer]

Hi.
Though I agree that Calibre is an excellent book manager, its GUI is
not accessible to any screen reader. However, it can be used to
convert books from mobi to epub through the command line, which is
accessible. See
http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/ebook-convert.html
for instructions. I have a Pithon script which, when a mobi file is
clicked, will convert the file to Epub and put it in a temporary
directory. If anyone wants this, let me know.
Aman

On 1/8/13, Winston Chen wins...@voicedream.com wrote:
 I don't have any plans to support mobi at the moment. You can use Calibre to
 manage and convert all your eBook file formats. Calibre is free and a good
 piece of software.

 On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

 Will this app support reading books in the mobi format?

 -Original Message- From: Winston Chen
 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:27 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader

 I'm going to do this (speaking and spelling the selected word) in the next
 two releases.
 Winston.

 On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

 Are you also going to make it possible for VoiceOver users to know what the
 text is that we are touching?  That would help for the definition function,
 etc.

 Thanks,
 Richard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Winston Chen
 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:21 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader

 It is possible to set a bookmark with VO on, but it's a little clunky right
 now. You need to press the text area and hold for a second. And then you'll
 have the option to Define, Bookmark and Highlight. A bookmark is always set
 at the beginning of the paragraph you'll on. A highlight is set on the
 sentence. So even it is imprecise because you'll see the exact Word you're
 pressing, in the end it'll be close enough. Once you set a bookmark, you
 can
 go back to it using the Bookmark menu, which lets you navigate to a
 autogenerated chapter, bookmark, or highlight.

 I'm going to add a Bookmark button in the next release so you can set a
 Bookmark at the speech cursor without having to invoke the context menu by
 long press.

 Winston.


 On Jan 7, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Timothy Emmons wrote:

 Thanks Winston, I figured you had gotten it but were busy with other things
 so it's cool. Glad to know that a lot of folks are using it, I have found
 the bookmarks chapter marks and such very usable for navigation and have
 used this since I have gotten it more than read2go because it does
 recognize
 more formats, and has more voices with everything. Keep up the great work
 and I hope to see some great things from you guys in the future. I noticec
 the textbox and that is handy. The only thing is, how does one set
 bookmarks
 in a particular book, or is it possible with voiceover yet. I can get to
 all
 the bookmarks that are automatically generated but didn't know if I could
 set my own. I haven't explored the chapter marks yet and was wondering if
 that is a separate setting or how that works, but I use a lot of the
 automatically  generated bookmarks to navigate with now which is nice.
 Anyway, thanks again for getting back to me, and keep up the great work.
 I'm
 recommending it to not only blind and visually impaired patrons of mine
 since I work for the Library for the Blind here in Alabama, but I am also
 recommending it to students with learning disabilities that are on
 bookshare
 and even if they're not to use the app because of all it does provide for
 the price especially. I'm hooked and hope to see more great updates and
 features as you can. Thanks for a great product and keep up the great work.
 Take care and talk to you soon.
 On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Voice Dream Winston wrote:

 Hi,

 Yes I did get your email. I'm thinking through text navigation of the
 text
 area right now. I don't want to rush to a solution yet. I can't just turn
 on
 VO support because I built the text box myself in order to handle very
 large
 text.

 Quite a few blind users are using my app happily now, using a combination
 of chapter marks, bookmarks, text search, and manual scrolling.

 Best,

 Winston.


 On Jan 7, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Rick Alfaro rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Winston.  Thanks for monitoring this list.  Have you received
 feedback that I've sent regarding VoiceOver support issues?  I sent
 feedback
 via the contact option within your app.



 Best,

 Rick alfaro

 On 1/5/2013 10:53 PM, Winston wrote:
 Hi, I'm the developer of Voice Dream Reader. In the next version
 you'll be able to download voices on 3G. Thanks for being a customer
 and sorry for the inconvenience. Winston.

 On Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:29:44 AM UTC-5, Ketan Kothari wrote:

 Dear Friends,
 I have purchased a few voices in the app but it asks me to use ViFi
 which I don't have.  I can connect my Iphone 4S to my laptop and
 connect to the 

Re: Remote desktop client software

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Emilio and all. 
This is one of the most serious defects with iOS devices and, in fact, with
Apple products generally. There is no accessible software, at least that I
know of, for the remote control of other devices. I have tried Jumi remote,
Splashtop 2, and Hippo remote. I have not even been able to use a keyboard
properly, let alone access the sound or screen reader output from the pc
(note that Splashtop does access the audio, but it is far behind the key
presses, and those key presses are not really effective in any case). I
would be most interested in any solution that would even simply allow the
use of a keyboard to control the pc. On a small network sound can be handled
without too many problems. If anyone has actually made the attempt, and has
been at all successful, it would be great to hear of it. 
Aman  


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emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone, 
 
 Does anyone know of an accessible remote desktop client that has an
accessible iPhone app? 
 LogMeIn is not very accessible on the macintosh, and the iPhone client is
also not very user friendly either. 
 Thank you all for your suggestions. 
 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader

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Hello.
The developer's email is
supp...@voicedream.com
The developer is, in my experience, both responsive and intelligent.
Aman


On 1/3/13, Timothy Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anybody have the eail address to contact them, I'm curious about a few
 things but I just got this and I'm really thinking it's going to take the
 place of Read2go for me with bookshare, and some other things as well.
 Thanks guys for pointing this one out, I'm liking what I see.
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

 Hi Ketan,

 You will have to use a WiFi connection to download these voices. I don’t
 use the app, but anything that is more than 50 Mb in size has to be
 downloaded via WiFi, that is a limitation Apple has set and you can’t get
 around it. If you don’t have WiFi, you an try and find a WiFi hotspot
 where you can connect and download these voices.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Ketan Kothari
 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:30 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Voice Dream Reader

 Dear Friends,

 I have purchased a few voices in the app but it asks me to use ViFi which
 I don’t have.  I can connect my Iphone 4S to my laptop and connect to the
 internet.  Using Itunes can I download these voices?  If so how?  Please
 do let me know.

 Thank you.

 Ketan
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Re: Voice Dream Reader

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Hello, Kawal.
The program supports epub books without drm, but does not support drmed iBooks 
epubs, nor does it support the drmed epubs sold by Nook and Kobo.
Aman

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 I have just downloaded In App purchases. Does this thing support I books, and 
 how?
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 31 Dec 2012, at 05:38 PM, Kim k...@woodartdesign.com wrote:
 
 How do I use this?  I'm trying the light version and went through the short 
 set up.  So far I haven't found instructions nor a description of what the 
 app does.
 
 Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
 
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Re: voice dream reader

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Hi, Kawal. 
I'm sure the developer would love to support iBooks, but would be stunned if 
Apple allowed this. You may want to ask that apple provide the acapela voices, 
though even that seems a long shot. 
Aman


On 2012-12-31, at 12:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 I have been using my braille display and thus far everything is accessible.
 
 I deleted pride and Prejudice. I have written to the developer and have asked 
 for I book support. I want for a voice to read I books for me.
 
 Kawal.  
 
 On 31 Dec 2012, at 05:49 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I tried out the free version.
 Are you able to find actual text with VoiceOver?
 They provide Pride and Prejudice with the free version but all I could find
 on the screen with VoiceOver was the word text and it would begin reading,
 but I could not get VoiceOver to focus on any of the text it was reading.
 So, I am not sure how a VoiceOver user is supposed to set bookmarks or look
 up definitions.  Am I missing something obvious?
 
 Richard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Moop Curran
 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:21 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: voice dream reader
 
 Hi Mary,
 At least for me, this app is better than ibooks for reading documents
 because the screen can be locked while reading. That's the reason I never
 used ibooks much. 
 Courtney 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 31, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Bret,
 How is this app better than Ibooks for reading epub or pdf? Which apps did
 it replace for you? If I do get it, I will definitely try bookshare.
 
 Mary
 
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Re: IBooks is it accessible?

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Hello. 
iBooks is perfectly accessible to totally blind users, and can be used with 
both speech and braille, though somewhat better with speech. Whether it is 
worth spending money on books has nothing to do with whether you're blind or 
not, that is, iBooks offers the smallest number of books available at a major 
Ebook store, and Ebook Prices are still unconscionably high for what is 
offered, but all that applies to everyone.
HTH. 
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Re: Is any keyboard that works with an IPad supposed to work with an IPhone?

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Hi.
Any Bluetooth keyboard which works with an iPad will work with the Iphone. 
Keyboards which require a wired connection, like those which connect to a 
camera kit on the iPad, or like those which are part of a dock may work, but 
probably will not or will have problems. 
HTH.
Aman

On 2012-12-18, at 1:48 PM, Helena tull.hel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys,
  
 I've been having problems with my bluetooth keyboard: Some keys don't work 
 properly, and whenever I try to put in my password, the keyboard goes 
 absolutely nuts, and puts in lots of extra letters that I haven't even 
 touched. Since I find it very hard to work the IPhone without a keyboard, I 
 would like to know if any keyboard that works with an IPad, also is supposed 
 to work with an IPhone?
  
 Kindest regards and thanks in advance,
  
 Helena and the friendly Mitzie-cat.
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Re: arabic language

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Hello.
Arabic has been supported in voice-overs since iOS six.  It is supported in 
both  speech and braille. If you're asking about dictation support, that is not 
available with Siri, but is using Dragon.
I hope that is of use.
Aman
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Re: torrent application for iOS?

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Hello, Rob.
Thanks very much for the response. Idid download phone drive, as you 
recommended, but I'm unable to get it to download any kind of torrent file. The 
only BT I can find in the program is for using Bluetooth for file transfers 
from one phone to another. Would you know exactly how to get Phone Drive, 
whether free or paid, to open torrent files? 
Thanks again. 
Aman 
On 2012-12-28, at 5:16 AM, Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I still say Phone Drive does this.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:09 AM
 Subject: RE: torrent application for iOS?
 
 
 Hi, Cristobal.
 Thanks, I did a search for this and found an item just as you
 describe on LifeHacker. However, it is not what I'm after or, more
 accurately, I have done it already and, though nice, it's not a method of
 downloading on the iOS device, but rather a method of triggering the
 computer to download which can be run from an iOS device. It should also be
 noted that any cloud can be used for this, I use it with Tonido and openVPN,
 but whatever way you find to upload the torrent file to a directory on a
 computer running a torrent application is perfectly satisfactory.
 What I'm after is a method to actually download the files directly
 to an iOS device, triggering the download from that device, obtaining the
 files on that device, and opening them on the device.
 Thanks very much for reading and having a look at this, it is appreciated.
 Aman
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Cristobal
 Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: torrent application for iOS?
 
 I remember reading an item along these same lines on Lifehacker or Gizmodo
 and how with Dropbox one can launch torrents from an i-device, but since it
 wasn't something I was particularly interested in, I didn't save or make
 note of the article. If no one on here can help, maybe you can delve into
 the archives of those sites and see if you come across the same blurb.
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Aman Singer
 Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:41 AM
 To: viphone
 Subject: torrent application for iOS?
 
 Hi, all.
 Does anyone, if I may ask, know of or use an accessible application  for the
 iDevices which will allow the use of bittorrent through an iDevice? That is,
 I am looking to download a torrent file off the web, open it on my iDevice,
 and download the referenced files to my iDevice where they can be opened
 directly on the device. There seem to be some applications which do this on
 the app store, but they all cost money and I like to be sure that the app is
 accessible before spending any money on it.
 Thanks in advance.
 Aman
 
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Re: arabic language

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Heather. 
First, keep in mind that you can write Arabic as easily as you can English or 
any other language based on the Roman alphabet/keyboard. One can add keyboards 
as usual through general, international, keyboards. Yes, your friend should be 
able to dictate to Dragon which support several dialects. Note also that oo 
language pack should be needed for Arabic, whether on the phone or braille 
display as a braille display. One may, however need a language pack, if such a 
thing is available and possible, to use the display as a specialized note 
taker. That, of course has nothing to do with the iPhone.
Aman
  

On 2012-12-29, at 8:29 PM, heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah I see, I cant tell her how to access it!  S' he wants to text her family 
 in arabic!  I know you can use the Arabic voice for vo, I guess she wants to 
 dictate her messages!  I was able to use it one my phone to read something in 
 arabic! Maybe I will tell her to try dragon.  She has a braille display but, 
 I told her maybe it does not have the language pack for arabic!  Thanks, 
 Heather 
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