RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

[chrisjudge1967]

Oh the swear words are no problem. I’ll try the apple magic keyboard. Thanks.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  
Sent: September 19, 2024 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I ran into that and needed sighted help to get through that.

I’m sorry I didn’t mention that.

If you have a bluetooth keyboard, that may help.  Not to mention a lot of 
patience, and probably a few swear words 😊.

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com <mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I’m having difficulty signing in. I just updated the app and opened it. I was 
asked if I wanted to join an existing system which I definitely did. ON the 
next screen with all the gobblygook you have to read there is an except button 
but it is dimmed. I can’t find a check box or anything to indicate that I agree 
with all the terms so I can’t move past it.

 

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: September 19, 2024 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I don’t hate it, but I find it still frustrating.  Ah, for those good old days; 
a few months ago. 😉.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

The app and Voiceover accessibility has come a very long way since May, I just 
wish they would make use of the rotor for things like adding to the queue and 
maybe in some other areas. All in all I certainly don’t hate it any more.

 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I've been trying to use the app, or rather, the app has been driving me up a 
wall, since I accidentally updated it a month or so after the initial release. 

It is slowly getting better. I wish they would put my home library back to 
being a separate item, rather than under Apple Music. I have not found a good 
way to browse. 

My biggest gripe I think is that when you open your home library and say select 
albums. It has them alphabetially, kind of, which is fine. It has the sections 
tab where you can jump by percentages, which should mean that when you get to 
80 or 90 percent, you should be beyond half way through the alphabet ... if you 
are lucky, you are at the letter c. which is totally frustrating. 

So I just search for the album I wat, or the artist and withake a few deep 
breaths after probably swearing more than is necessary...

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2024, at 8:49 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:



.

 

Are you using the app yet? I’ve been anxiously waiting to hear if they’ve 
improved the voice over experience before updating.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: September 19, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

Below is what the app store says about the update. Then I will point a couple 
things out.New app features. Bug fixes and improved performance.  
Improvements to setup flow Improved performance when browsing content in Home 
and in Browse Improved queue management including ability to delete, reorder 
and scroll Added ability to set appearance between light mode/dark mode/system 
default Continued improvements to user interface Added Trueplay support for 
iOS18

 

I have not tested everything, but note, if you havean Apple Music subscription, 
your home library will be in the Apple Music option.

If you are sliding your finger around the screen looking for the search button, 
for me, I never found it. But, whe

RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

I ran into that and needed sighted help to get through that.

I’m sorry I didn’t mention that.

If you have a bluetooth keyboard, that may help.  Not to mention a lot of 
patience, and probably a few swear words 😊.

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 11:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I’m having difficulty signing in. I just updated the app and opened it. I was 
asked if I wanted to join an existing system which I definitely did. ON the 
next screen with all the gobblygook you have to read there is an except button 
but it is dimmed. I can’t find a check box or anything to indicate that I agree 
with all the terms so I can’t move past it.

 

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: September 19, 2024 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I don’t hate it, but I find it still frustrating.  Ah, for those good old days; 
a few months ago. 😉.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

The app and Voiceover accessibility has come a very long way since May, I just 
wish they would make use of the rotor for things like adding to the queue and 
maybe in some other areas. All in all I certainly don’t hate it any more.

 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I've been trying to use the app, or rather, the app has been driving me up a 
wall, since I accidentally updated it a month or so after the initial release. 

It is slowly getting better. I wish they would put my home library back to 
being a separate item, rather than under Apple Music. I have not found a good 
way to browse. 

My biggest gripe I think is that when you open your home library and say select 
albums. It has them alphabetially, kind of, which is fine. It has the sections 
tab where you can jump by percentages, which should mean that when you get to 
80 or 90 percent, you should be beyond half way through the alphabet ... if you 
are lucky, you are at the letter c. which is totally frustrating. 

So I just search for the album I wat, or the artist and withake a few deep 
breaths after probably swearing more than is necessary...

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2024, at 8:49 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:



.

 

Are you using the app yet? I’ve been anxiously waiting to hear if they’ve 
improved the voice over experience before updating.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: September 19, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

Below is what the app store says about the update. Then I will point a couple 
things out.New app features. Bug fixes and improved performance.  
Improvements to setup flow Improved performance when browsing content in Home 
and in Browse Improved queue management including ability to delete, reorder 
and scroll Added ability to set appearance between light mode/dark mode/system 
default Continued improvements to user interface Added Trueplay support for 
iOS18

 

I have not tested everything, but note, if you havean Apple Music subscription, 
your home library will be in the Apple Music option.

If you are sliding your finger around the screen looking for the search button, 
for me, I never found it. But, when I found the "edit home" button and flicked 
right with one finger, there is the search button. It is about an inch or 2 
above the bottom of thescreen.

That iswhat I know at this point.

 t  

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

-- 
The fo

RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

[chrisjudge1967]

I’m having difficulty signing in. I just updated the app and opened it. I was 
asked if I wanted to join an existing system which I definitely did. ON the 
next screen with all the gobblygook you have to read there is an except button 
but it is dimmed. I can’t find a check box or anything to indicate that I agree 
with all the terms so I can’t move past it.

 

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  
Sent: September 19, 2024 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I don’t hate it, but I find it still frustrating.  Ah, for those good old days; 
a few months ago. 😉.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

The app and Voiceover accessibility has come a very long way since May, I just 
wish they would make use of the rotor for things like adding to the queue and 
maybe in some other areas. All in all I certainly don’t hate it any more.

 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I've been trying to use the app, or rather, the app has been driving me up a 
wall, since I accidentally updated it a month or so after the initial release. 

It is slowly getting better. I wish they would put my home library back to 
being a separate item, rather than under Apple Music. I have not found a good 
way to browse. 

My biggest gripe I think is that when you open your home library and say select 
albums. It has them alphabetially, kind of, which is fine. It has the sections 
tab where you can jump by percentages, which should mean that when you get to 
80 or 90 percent, you should be beyond half way through the alphabet ... if you 
are lucky, you are at the letter c. which is totally frustrating. 

So I just search for the album I wat, or the artist and withake a few deep 
breaths after probably swearing more than is necessary...

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2024, at 8:49 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:



.

 

Are you using the app yet? I’ve been anxiously waiting to hear if they’ve 
improved the voice over experience before updating.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: September 19, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

Below is what the app store says about the update. Then I will point a couple 
things out.New app features. Bug fixes and improved performance.  
Improvements to setup flow Improved performance when browsing content in Home 
and in Browse Improved queue management including ability to delete, reorder 
and scroll Added ability to set appearance between light mode/dark mode/system 
default Continued improvements to user interface Added Trueplay support for 
iOS18

 

I have not tested everything, but note, if you havean Apple Music subscription, 
your home library will be in the Apple Music option.

If you are sliding your finger around the screen looking for the search button, 
for me, I never found it. But, when I found the "edit home" button and flicked 
right with one finger, there is the search button. It is about an inch or 2 
above the bottom of thescreen.

That iswhat I know at this point.

 t  

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

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RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

I don’t hate it, but I find it still frustrating.  Ah, for those good old days; 
a few months ago. 😉.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

The app and Voiceover accessibility has come a very long way since May, I just 
wish they would make use of the rotor for things like adding to the queue and 
maybe in some other areas. All in all I certainly don’t hate it any more.

 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I've been trying to use the app, or rather, the app has been driving me up a 
wall, since I accidentally updated it a month or so after the initial release. 

It is slowly getting better. I wish they would put my home library back to 
being a separate item, rather than under Apple Music. I have not found a good 
way to browse. 

My biggest gripe I think is that when you open your home library and say select 
albums. It has them alphabetially, kind of, which is fine. It has the sections 
tab where you can jump by percentages, which should mean that when you get to 
80 or 90 percent, you should be beyond half way through the alphabet ... if you 
are lucky, you are at the letter c. which is totally frustrating. 

So I just search for the album I wat, or the artist and withake a few deep 
breaths after probably swearing more than is necessary...

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2024, at 8:49 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:



.

 

Are you using the app yet? I’ve been anxiously waiting to hear if they’ve 
improved the voice over experience before updating.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: September 19, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

Below is what the app store says about the update. Then I will point a couple 
things out.New app features. Bug fixes and improved performance.  
Improvements to setup flow Improved performance when browsing content in Home 
and in Browse Improved queue management including ability to delete, reorder 
and scroll Added ability to set appearance between light mode/dark mode/system 
default Continued improvements to user interface Added Trueplay support for 
iOS18

 

I have not tested everything, but note, if you havean Apple Music subscription, 
your home library will be in the Apple Music option.

If you are sliding your finger around the screen looking for the search button, 
for me, I never found it. But, when I found the "edit home" button and flicked 
right with one finger, there is the search button. It is about an inch or 2 
above the bottom of thescreen.

That iswhat I know at this point.

 t  

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

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RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

[chrisjudge1967]

Ok thanks. That’s I need to hear.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 19, 2024 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

The app and Voiceover accessibility has come a very long way since May, I just 
wish they would make use of the rotor for things like adding to the queue and 
maybe in some other areas. All in all I certainly don’t hate it any more.

 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

I've been trying to use the app, or rather, the app has been driving me up a 
wall, since I accidentally updated it a month or so after the initial release. 

It is slowly getting better. I wish they would put my home library back to 
being a separate item, rather than under Apple Music. I have not found a good 
way to browse. 

My biggest gripe I think is that when you open your home library and say select 
albums. It has them alphabetially, kind of, which is fine. It has the sections 
tab where you can jump by percentages, which should mean that when you get to 
80 or 90 percent, you should be beyond half way through the alphabet ... if you 
are lucky, you are at the letter c. which is totally frustrating. 

So I just search for the album I wat, or the artist and withake a few deep 
breaths after probably swearing more than is necessary...

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2024, at 8:49 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:



.

 

Are you using the app yet? I’ve been anxiously waiting to hear if they’ve 
improved the voice over experience before updating.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: September 19, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

Below is what the app store says about the update. Then I will point a couple 
things out.New app features. Bug fixes and improved performance.  
Improvements to setup flow Improved performance when browsing content in Home 
and in Browse Improved queue management including ability to delete, reorder 
and scroll Added ability to set appearance between light mode/dark mode/system 
default Continued improvements to user interface Added Trueplay support for 
iOS18

 

I have not tested everything, but note, if you havean Apple Music subscription, 
your home library will be in the Apple Music option.

If you are sliding your finger around the screen looking for the search button, 
for me, I never found it. But, when I found the "edit home" button and flicked 
right with one finger, there is the search button. It is about an inch or 2 
above the bottom of thescreen.

That iswhat I know at this point.

 t  

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) 

 

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RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The app and Voiceover accessibility has come a very long way since May, I just 
wish they would make use of the rotor for things like adding to the queue and 
maybe in some other areas. All in all I certainly don’t hate it any more.

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos update, 80.09.05

I've been trying to use the app, or rather, the app has been driving me up a 
wall, since I accidentally updated it a month or so after the initial release.
It is slowly getting better. I wish they would put my home library back to 
being a separate item, rather than under Apple Music. I have not found a good 
way to browse.
My biggest gripe I think is that when you open your home library and say select 
albums. It has them alphabetially, kind of, which is fine. It has the sections 
tab where you can jump by percentages, which should mean that when you get to 
80 or 90 percent, you should be beyond half way through the alphabet ... if you 
are lucky, you are at the letter c. which is totally frustrating.
So I just search for the album I wat, or the artist and withake a few deep 
breaths after probably swearing more than is necessary...



Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ...
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

(sent from my iPhone 13 pro)



On Sep 19, 2024, at 8:49 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:

.

Are you using the app yet? I’ve been anxiously waiting to hear if they’ve 
improved the voice over experience before updating.

Chris Judge






From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
Sent: September 19, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sonos update, 80.09.05

Below is what the app store says about the update. Then I will point a couple 
things out.New app features. Bug fixes and improved performance.  
Improvements to setup flow Improved performance when browsing content in Home 
and in Browse Improved queue management including ability to delete, reorder 
and scroll Added ability to set appearance between light mode/dark mode/system 
default Continued improvements to user interface Added Trueplay support for 
iOS18

I have not tested everything, but note, if you havean Apple Music subscription, 
your home library will be in the Apple Music option.
If you are sliding your finger around the screen looking for the search button, 
for me, I never found it. But, when I found the "edit home" button and flicked 
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That iswhat I know at this point.
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RE: Sonos update, 80.09.05

[chrisjudge1967]

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Are you using the app yet? I’ve been anxiously waiting to hear if they’ve 
improved the voice over experience before updating.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  
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Subject: Sonos update, 80.09.05

 

Below is what the app store says about the update. Then I will point a couple 
things out.New app features. Bug fixes and improved performance.  
Improvements to setup flow Improved performance when browsing content in Home 
and in Browse Improved queue management including ability to delete, reorder 
and scroll Added ability to set appearance between light mode/dark mode/system 
default Continued improvements to user interface Added Trueplay support for 
iOS18

 

I have not tested everything, but note, if you havean Apple Music subscription, 
your home library will be in the Apple Music option.

If you are sliding your finger around the screen looking for the search button, 
for me, I never found it. But, when I found the "edit home" button and flicked 
right with one finger, there is the search button. It is about an inch or 2 
above the bottom of thescreen.

That iswhat I know at this point.

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Re: Sonos update, 80.09.05

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

I've been trying to use the app, or rather, the app has been driving me up a wall, since I accidentally updated it a month or so after the initial release. It is slowly getting better. I wish they would put my home library back to being a separate item, rather than under Apple Music. I have not found a good way to browse. My biggest gripe I think is that when you open your home library and say select albums. It has them alphabetially, kind of, which is fine. It has the sections tab where you can jump by percentages, which should mean that when you get to 80 or 90 percent, you should be beyond half way through the alphabet ... if you are lucky, you are at the letter c. which is totally frustrating. So I just search for the album I wat, or the artist and withake a few deep breaths after probably swearing more than is necessary...Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Sep 19, 2024, at 8:49 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:. Are you using the app yet? I’ve been anxiously waiting to hear if they’ve improved the voice over experience before updating. Chris JudgeFrom: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  Sent: September 19, 2024 11:57 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Sonos update, 80.09.05 Below is what the app store says about the update. Then I will point a couple things out.New app features. Bug fixes and improved performance.  Improvements to setup flow Improved performance when browsing content in Home and in Browse Improved queue management including ability to delete, reorder and scroll Added ability to set appearance between light mode/dark mode/system default Continued improvements to user interface Added Trueplay support for iOS18 I have not tested everything, but note, if you havean Apple Music subscription, your home library will be in the Apple Music option.If you are sliding your finger around the screen looking for the search button, for me, I never found it. But, when I found the "edit home" button and flicked right with one finger, there is the search button. It is about an inch or 2 above the bottom of thescreen.That iswhat I know at this point. t   Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com (sent from my iPhone 13 pro)  -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00c401db0aa4%24352086c0%249f619440%24%40comcast.net.



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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

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May be that’s why CerePlay performed so poorly with previous iOS versions, if it was really meant for iOS 18.Simon, the March Merman.On 18 Sep 2024, at 16:59, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I think this may only now be possible with iOS 18 which also allows you to generate a TTS voice using your own voice.
 
 


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I did not realize we were able to buy text to speech voices other than the ones Apple gives us. Do you know if there are any other apps available where we could buy voices such as Ivona or a cappella?


 

Kerry

 


Sent from my iPhone







On Sep 17, 2024, at 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:




CerePlay is an app which allows you to buy various text to speech voices. The reviews are mixed leaning towards the negative and I won't even give it a second thought because I am very
 happy with the selection of voices I have in iOS, between Eloquence, the Siri voices and the other ones offered I have no problems finding one I like.


-Original Message-
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What are CerePlay voices? 

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By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?
I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my previous voice.

Simon, the March Merman.


   On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com> wrote:
   
   

    

   I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.

   
   

   I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it started the static again.

   
   

   I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.

   
   

   Anyone else having this issue yet?

   
   

   Thanks.

    
   

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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

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Not that I know of, but certainly if Ivona is available, I wouldn’t mind getting those as well. Might be worth looking into.Simon, the March Merman.On 18 Sep 2024, at 16:03, Kerry Macdonald  wrote:I did not realize we were able to buy text to speech voices other than the ones Apple gives us. Do you know if there are any other apps available where we could buy voices such as Ivona or a cappella?KerrySent from my iPhoneOn Sep 17, 2024, at 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:CerePlay is an app which allows you to buy various text to speech voices. The reviews are mixed leaning towards the negative and I won't even give it a second thought because I am very happy with the selection of voices I have in iOS, between Eloquence, the Siri voices and the other ones offered I have no problems finding one I like.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn ArnoldSent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:47 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd genWhat are CerePlay voices? -Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Goshawk On HorsebackSent: Monday, September 16, 2024 8:22 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd genBy any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my previous voice.Simon, the March Merman.    On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan  wrote:                 I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.            I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it started the static again.            I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.            Anyone else having this issue yet?            Thanks.             --     Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA        --     The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.         If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.         Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com         The archives for this list can be searched at:    http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/    ---     You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.    To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com  .    To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d311e625-d123-4f52-8f68-66bb6a9dc619%40gmail.com  .    -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com  .To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/45627353-57C8-4C72-96E7-221DDE299C1E%40fastmail.co.uk  .-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/091b01db0929%24a74b4a40%24f5e1dec0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important fo

RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think this may only now be possible with iOS 18 which also allows you to 
generate a TTS voice using your own voice.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry 
Macdonald
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 8:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

I did not realize we were able to buy text to speech voices other than the ones 
Apple gives us. Do you know if there are any other apps available where we 
could buy voices such as Ivona or a cappella?

Kerry

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 17, 2024, at 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
CerePlay is an app which allows you to buy various text to speech voices. The 
reviews are mixed leaning towards the negative and I won't even give it a 
second thought because I am very happy with the selection of voices I have in 
iOS, between Eloquence, the Siri voices and the other ones offered I have no 
problems finding one I like.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

What are CerePlay voices?

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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?
I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the 
result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my 
previous voice.

Simon, the March Merman.


   On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:



   

   I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It 
is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change 
the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.




   I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
started the static again.




   I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.




   Anyone else having this issue yet?




   Thanks.




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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Kerry Macdonald]

I did not realize we were able to buy text to speech voices other than the ones 
Apple gives us. Do you know if there are any other apps available where we 
could buy voices such as Ivona or a cappella?

Kerry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2024, at 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> CerePlay is an app which allows you to buy various text to speech voices. 
> The reviews are mixed leaning towards the negative and I won't even give it a 
> second thought because I am very happy with the selection of voices I have in 
> iOS, between Eloquence, the Siri voices and the other ones offered I have no 
> problems finding one I like.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen
> 
> What are CerePlay voices? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Goshawk On Horseback
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 8:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen
> 
> By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?
> I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the 
> result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my 
> previous voice.
> 
> Simon, the March Merman.
> 
> 
>On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan  wrote:
>
>
> 
> 
> 
>I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It 
> is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change 
> the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.
> 
>
>
> 
>I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
> started the static again.
> 
>
>
> 
>I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 
> 17.7.
> 
>
>
> 
>Anyone else having this issue yet?
> 
>
>
> 
>Thanks.
> 
> 
>
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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Goshawk On Horseback]

It is a shame though I will say, as I have had no problems with these voices on 
either my PC, or my Samsung android phone, and when they work, they are 
extremely good voices. I believe this app is very new to iOS however, so 
hopefully they will soon iron all the bugs out.

Simon, the March Merman.

> On 17 Sep 2024, at 19:10, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> CerePlay is an app which allows you to buy various text to speech voices. 
> The reviews are mixed leaning towards the negative and I won't even give it a 
> second thought because I am very happy with the selection of voices I have in 
> iOS, between Eloquence, the Siri voices and the other ones offered I have no 
> problems finding one I like.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen
> 
> What are CerePlay voices?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Goshawk On Horseback
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 8:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen
> 
> By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?
> I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the 
> result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my 
> previous voice.
> 
> Simon, the March Merman.
> 
> 
>On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> 
>I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It 
> is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change 
> the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.
> 
>
>
> 
>I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
> started the static again.
> 
>
>
> 
>I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 
> 17.7.
> 
>
>
> 
>Anyone else having this issue yet?
> 
>
>
> 
>Thanks.
> 
>
>
> 
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RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

CerePlay is an app which allows you to buy various text to speech voices. The 
reviews are mixed leaning towards the negative and I won't even give it a 
second thought because I am very happy with the selection of voices I have in 
iOS, between Eloquence, the Siri voices and the other ones offered I have no 
problems finding one I like.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

What are CerePlay voices? 

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Goshawk On Horseback
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?
I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the 
result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my 
previous voice.

Simon, the March Merman.


On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan  wrote:



 

I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  
It is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could 
change the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.




I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and 
it started the static again.




I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 
17.7.




Anyone else having this issue yet?




Thanks.

 


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RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

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What are CerePlay voices? 

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Goshawk On Horseback
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?
I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the 
result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my 
previous voice.

Simon, the March Merman.


On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan  wrote:



 

I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  
It is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could 
change the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.




I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and 
it started the static again.




I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 
17.7.




Anyone else having this issue yet?




Thanks.

 


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RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Can you provide more information about this “CerePlay”, I have never heard 
about it before.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Goshawk 
On Horseback
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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You might have to get the CerePlay app first, then at least one of them should 
appear. As the result was so poor, I haven’t looked into it further, but think 
additional voices need to be purchased.

Simon, the March Merman.


On 17 Sep 2024, at 01:34, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Where are you finding these Cereplay voices?
I’m not seeing them under VoiceOver Speech.


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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 5:22 PM
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By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?
I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the 
result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my 
previous voice.

Simon, the March Merman.



On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is 
so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the 
voice.  that did nothing to fix it.



I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
started the static again.



I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.



Anyone else having this issue yet?



Thanks.



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RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Buy “CerePlay” do you mean “Siri”? I have been using the North American Siri 
Voice 4 on my iPhone for a long time now as I find it is the clearest and best 
at slightly higher speeds. I never have any issues and I have tried all the 
other Siri voices as well, they are all fine except to my ears Siri Voice 4, 
called “Nora” in the voices rotor sounds the best.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Goshawk 
On Horseback
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?
I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the 
result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my 
previous voice.

Simon, the March Merman.


On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is 
so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the 
voice.  that did nothing to fix it.



I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
started the static again.



I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.



Anyone else having this issue yet?



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RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Why not call Apple Accessibility and see if they can help.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 1:08 PM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen


I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is 
so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the 
voice.  that did nothing to fix it.



I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
started the static again.



I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.



Anyone else having this issue yet?



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RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Dennis Long]

That has been an issue since iOS 17.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 4:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I just updated to 18 and all is fine. When my phone restarted after the update, 
I had the Samantha voice for a couple minutes, then my reid from elrquence came 
back.
Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!



On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
What voice were you using before the upgrade? I haven’t seen this either with 
my iPhone SE 2nd gen.
 



On Sep 16, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Dan mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is 
so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the 
voice.  that did nothing to fix it.
 
I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
started the static again.
 
I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.
 
Anyone else having this issue yet?
 
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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

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You might have to get the CerePlay app first, then at least one of them should appear. As the result was so poor, I haven’t looked into it further, but think additional voices need to be purchased.Simon, the March Merman.On 17 Sep 2024, at 01:34, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  wrote:Where are you finding these Cereplay voices?I’m not seeing them under VoiceOver Speech.  Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Goshawk On HorsebackSent: Monday, September 16, 2024 5:22 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my previous voice. Simon, the March Merman.On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan <dbeaver...@gmail.com> wrote: I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the voice.  that did nothing to fix it. I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it started the static again. I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7. Anyone else having this issue yet? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d311e625-d123-4f52-8f68-66bb6a9dc619%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/45627353-57C8-4C72-96E7-221DDE299C1E%40fastmail.co.uk.



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RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

['Richard Turner' via VIPhone]

Where are you finding these Cereplay voices?

I’m not seeing them under VoiceOver Speech.

 

 

Richard, USA

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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Goshawk 
On Horseback
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

 

By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?

I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the 
result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my 
previous voice.

 

Simon, the March Merman.





On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is 
so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the 
voice.  that did nothing to fix it.

 

I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
started the static again.

 

I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.

 

Anyone else having this issue yet?

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Goshawk On Horseback]

By any chance, are you trying to use any of the CerePlay voices?I ask this, as I recently attempted to use one of these on my 13 pro, and the result was so bad, that I had a lot of trouble even switching back to my previous voice.Simon, the March Merman.On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:08, Dan  wrote:

  


  
  
I updated and now my VO is
producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is so severe
that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change
the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.

  
I did power off and back on
but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it started the static
again.

  
I am now going to connect to
my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.

  
Anyone else having this issue
yet?

  
Thanks.
 

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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Tamika Polk-Davis]

I had that problem with Siri voices, but none of the other voices.Thanks, Mrs. Tamika Polk-Davis On Sep 16, 2024, at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:What voice were you using before the upgrade? I haven’t seen this either with my iPhone SE 2nd gen.On Sep 16, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Dan  wrote:

  


  
  I updated and now my VO is
producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is so severe
that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change
the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.
  I did power off and back on
but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it started the static
again.
  I am now going to connect to
my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.
  Anyone else having this issue
yet?
  Thanks. 

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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I just updated to 18 and all is fine. When my phone restarted after the update, I had the Samantha voice for a couple minutes, then my reid from elrquence came back.Sent from Joshua’s radical chariot!!!On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:What voice were you using before the upgrade? I haven’t seen this either with my iPhone SE 2nd gen.On Sep 16, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Dan  wrote:

  


  
  I updated and now my VO is
producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is so severe
that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change
the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.
  I did power off and back on
but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it started the static
again.
  I am now going to connect to
my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.
  Anyone else having this issue
yet?
  Thanks. 

-- 
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Re: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Jonathan Cohn]

What voice were you using before the upgrade? I haven’t seen this either with 
my iPhone SE 2nd gen.


> On Sep 16, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Dan  wrote:
> 
> I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is 
> so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change 
> the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.
> 
> 
> 
> I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
> started the static again.
> 
> 
> 
> I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone else having this issue yet?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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RE: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[donmoore48]

I haven’t and I also have the second gen.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 4:08 PM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen
 
I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  It is 
so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she could change the 
voice.  that did nothing to fix it.
 
I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and it 
started the static again.
 
I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 17.7.
 
Anyone else having this issue yet?
 
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big problem with IOS 18.0 update on Iphone SE 2nd gen

[Dan]

I updated and now my VO is producing loud static instead of the voice.  
It is so severe that I had to have my wife look at it to see if she 
could change the voice.  that did nothing to fix it.



I did power off and back on but this fixed it for about 30 seconds and 
it started the static again.



I am now going to connect to my laptop and restore my phone back to IOS 
17.7.



Anyone else having this issue yet?


Thanks.


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Re: do not update chatgpt RE: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to send a message on iphone

[Chuck Adkins]

thank you so much, I think it already updated on my phone because a lot of 
stuff is not accessible. I am having the same issues.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> Yup. This has been my experience too.
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do not update chatgpt RE: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to 
> send a message on iphone
> 
> This is also happening to me as well. No matter what I do I cannot activate 
> the send button, and voice mode is also not available.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2024, at 10:48 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello goeienavond William
>> 
>> I can completely reproduce this issue, this is a tremendous bug, please 
>> folks do not update!
>> Davy
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens William 
>> Windels
>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 augustus 2024 17:44
>> Aan: 'Kliph VIPhone 
>> Onderwerp: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to send a message on iphone
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I discover a problem in the last version of chatgpt on ios: 1..2024..233.
>> I can write a prompt but it is not possible to press the send button.
>> Also a long press, doesn't work.
>> 
>> I have the last version of ios.
>> On the ipad should it still work but I haven't tested it there.
>> 
>> Anyone else who discover this problem?
>> kind regards, William
>> Mvg
>> William windels
>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
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RE: do not update chatgpt RE: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to send a message on iphone

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Yup. This has been my experience too.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: 'Candie Stiles' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: do not update chatgpt RE: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to 
send a message on iphone

This is also happening to me as well. No matter what I do I cannot activate the 
send button, and voice mode is also not available.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2024, at 10:48 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello goeienavond William
> 
> I can completely reproduce this issue, this is a tremendous bug, please folks 
> do not update!
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens William 
> Windels
> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 augustus 2024 17:44
> Aan: 'Kliph VIPhone 
> Onderwerp: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to send a message on iphone
> 
> Hello,
> I discover a problem in the last version of chatgpt on ios: 1..2024..233.
> I can write a prompt but it is not possible to press the send button.
> Also a long press, doesn't work.
> 
> I have the last version of ios.
> On the ipad should it still work but I haven't tested it there.
> 
> Anyone else who discover this problem?
> kind regards, William
> Mvg
> William windels
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
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Re: do not update chatgpt RE: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to send a message on iphone

['Candie Stiles' via VIPhone]

This is also happening to me as well. No matter what I do I cannot activate the 
send button, and voice mode is also not available.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2024, at 10:48 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello goeienavond William
> 
> I can completely reproduce this issue, this is a tremendous bug, please folks 
> do not update!
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens William 
> Windels
> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 augustus 2024 17:44
> Aan: 'Kliph VIPhone 
> Onderwerp: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to send a message on iphone
> 
> Hello,
> I discover a problem in the last version of chatgpt on ios: 1..2024..233.
> I can write a prompt but it is not possible to press the send button.
> Also a long press, doesn't work.
> 
> I have the last version of ios.
> On the ipad should it still work but I haven't tested it there.
> 
> Anyone else who discover this problem?
> kind regards, William
> Mvg
> William windels
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
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do not update chatgpt RE: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to send a message on iphone

[davycuppens]

Hello goeienavond William 

I can completely reproduce this issue, this is a tremendous bug, please folks 
do not update!
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens William Windels
Verzonden: vrijdag 30 augustus 2024 17:44
Aan: 'Kliph VIPhone 
Onderwerp: chatgpt 1.2024.233 is inaccessible to send a message on iphone

Hello, 
I discover a problem in the last version of chatgpt on ios: 1..2024..233.
I can write a prompt but it is not possible to press the send button.
Also a long press, doesn't work.

I have the last version of ios.
On the ipad should it still work but I haven't tested it there.

Anyone else who discover this problem?
kind regards, William
Mvg 
William windels
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

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FW: [Tech-VI] An Important Update on AppleVis Founder David Goodwin and the Future of AppleVis | AppleVis

[Dennis Long]

 
 
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https://www.applevis.com/blog/important-update-applevis-founder-david-goodwin-future-applevis

An Important Update on AppleVis Founder David Goodwin and the Future of AppleVis

Dear AppleVis Community,
At his request, I wanted to provide you an update on AppleVis' Founder and 
Editor-in-Chief, David Goodwin; as well as the future of AppleVis.
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RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

[robini71]

Hi Lisa And All,

Ah yes I remember that breakage that was ugly. I also remember when the like 
and dislike buttons for replacements weren’t labelled properly. Mercifully now 
they along with the rating stars are working but one wonders for how long at 
the rate they seem to be breaking other things.

Well I did write my very lengthy review in the app store so we’ll see if it 
motivates any sort of response or fixes to be forth coming.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

From: Lisa Belville  
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 12:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; robin...@fastmail.com
Subject: Re: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Robin, I never thought of that.  This was over two years ago.  I left my review 
in response to an update that broke my ability to accurately rate a shopper.  I 
just heard star, star, star, when I swiped in that area.  There was no 
indication when using VO of how many stars were being selected.  I mentioned 
that an inaccessible app might lead to a blind person giving a shopper a bad 
rating when they didn't deserve one.  Perhaps this rationale could be used with 
the tip adjustment issue.  I always default to 15% because I need the shopper 
to carry the groceries in and sit them down just inside my door.  I usually 
bump it up or at least tack on an extra $5  Not being able to adjust the tip 
could lead to shoppers not wanting to shop for us or just quitting all 
together, not that there's that many of us, but it's a thought.

 

 

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com> 

On 7/14/2024 6:40 PM, robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com>  
wrote:

Hi Lisa And All,

When I was chatting with an Instacart rep via the X platform that was their 
last suggestion for reporting these things was via reviews in the app store. 
But I am wondering what restrictions if any there are for how often one can 
either leave an entirely new review or edit one already made. I don’t feel 
entirely comfortable using that as a vehicle for reporting such things but 
sadly it might be all that’s left to us at this point. I’ll certainly give it a 
go without getting my hopes up too high.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

The last time I had an issue with Instacart I left them a one star rating in 
the app store and spelled out the accessibility issues in detail.  They got 
fixed in a subsequent update.  This was in about 2022 or so.

 

Lisa

 

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com> 

On 7/14/2024 5:52 PM, robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com>  
wrote:

Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do so at least 
until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be hard to decide whether or 
not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so difficult with them. Thanks for the 
tip about Shipt. If you achieve any success reporting things to Instacart 
please tell us all about it. So far, I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all 
have yielded no good results sadly.

 

Take good care,

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
 On Behalf Of sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section where you 
can request no photos.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

Re: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

[Lisa Belville]

Robin, I never thought of that.  This was over two years ago.  I left my 
review in response to an update that broke my ability to accurately rate 
a shopper.  I just heard star, star, star, when I swiped in that area.  
There was no indication when using VO of how many stars were being 
selected.  I mentioned that an inaccessible app might lead to a blind 
person giving a shopper a bad rating when they didn't deserve one.  
Perhaps this rationale could be used with the tip adjustment issue.  I 
always default to 15% because I need the shopper to carry the groceries 
in and sit them down just inside my door.  I usually bump it up or at 
least tack on an extra $5  Not being able to adjust the tip could lead 
to shoppers not wanting to shop for us or just quitting all together, 
not that there's that many of us, but it's a thought.




Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 7/14/2024 6:40 PM, robin...@fastmail.com wrote:


Hi Lisa And All,

When I was chatting with an Instacart rep via the X platform that was 
their last suggestion for reporting these things was via reviews in 
the app store. But I am wondering what restrictions if any there are 
for how often one can either leave an entirely new review or edit one 
already made. I don’t feel entirely comfortable using that as a 
vehicle for reporting such things but sadly it might be all that’s 
left to us at this point. I’ll certainly give it a go without getting 
my hopes up too high.


Take good care,

Robin

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Lisa Belville

*Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2024 7:31 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

The last time I had an issue with Instacart I left them a one star 
rating in the app store and spelled out the accessibility issues in 
detail.  They got fixed in a subsequent update. This was in about 2022 
or so.


Lisa

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 7/14/2024 5:52 PM, robin...@fastmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do
so at least until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be
hard to decide whether or not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so
difficult with them. Thanks for the tip about Shipt. If you
achieve any success reporting things to Instacart please tell us
all about it. So far, I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all
have yielded no good results sadly.

Take good care,

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of
*sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:10 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings
section where you can request no photos.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *robin...@fastmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:28 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month
subscription to try it out due to my absolute inability to
effectively communicate with Instacart regarding accessibility
related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products
beyond those which Instacart recommends for replacement options. 
Some have said they can find a search button with screen
recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce this at all running
iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app which by me
is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very
disheartening and since grocery procurement is such a vital pert
of life it saddens me that many of the consumer orgs don’t pay
more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:15 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Cc:* macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Instacart update broke tip adjustment

    Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust
tip with Voiceover.

Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

[khevener]

Yes, Paula, here in cincinnati, shipt now offers target, kroger, CVS, petsmart, 
petco, lowe’s, walgreens, and meijer.  While I have never tried the feature, 
apparently doordash also offers some grocery options such as aldees (not sure 
of spelling) walgreens and possibly others.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi all.  One of the reasons I switched from Shipt to Instacart was the wider 
variety of stores I could choose from.  When I had a Shipt membership several 
years ago, there were only two stores available. Has this changed?  Thanks.  
I’m hoping that if anyone changes to Shipt they’ll let Instacart know that 
they’ve changed due to accessibility problems.  Letting the problem be known 
might put a little pressure on. 

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do so at least 
until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be hard to decide whether or 
not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so difficult with them. Thanks for the 
tip about Shipt. If you achieve any success reporting things to Instacart 
please tell us all about it. So far, I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all 
have yielded no good results sadly.

 

Take good care,

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section where you 
can request no photos.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with 
Voiceover.

Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

[sarai.bucciarelli]

I keep duel memberships.. Shipt is owned by Target so Target has in store 
prices, and now you can link your Target Red card for 5% discount.

I need to ask Shipt about adding Sprouts Farmers market. If they do then I’m 
dropping Instacart! All other stores are on Shipt.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
robin...@fastmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Paula and All,

I can’t speak to all areas but in my area, I was very pleased to discover that 
while the number of stores Shipt has isn’t as many as I find in Instacart it 
has increased the amount of grocery stores from which to choose. I know some 
who keep dual memberships to access all stores they wish to patronize; but I 
also acknowledge that might not be practical for all.

At this point I’m not sure Instacart will care whether we indicate our reasons 
for patronizing other services. They certainly don’t seem to care about 
creating a clear-cut pathway for reporting accessibility issues and getting 
them to the right teams so they can be addressed.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Paula Jordan
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi all.  One of the reasons I switched from Shipt to Instacart was the wider 
variety of stores I could choose from.  When I had a Shipt membership several 
years ago, there were only two stores available. Has this changed?  Thanks.  
I’m hoping that if anyone changes to Shipt they’ll let Instacart know that 
they’ve changed due to accessibility problems.  Letting the problem be known 
might put a little pressure on. 

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do so at least 
until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be hard to decide whether or 
not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so difficult with them. Thanks for the 
tip about Shipt. If you achieve any success reporting things to Instacart 
please tell us all about it. So far, I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all 
have yielded no good results sadly.

 

Take good care,

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section where you 
can request no photos.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with 
Voiceover.

Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

[robini71]

Hi Lisa And All,

When I was chatting with an Instacart rep via the X platform that was their 
last suggestion for reporting these things was via reviews in the app store. 
But I am wondering what restrictions if any there are for how often one can 
either leave an entirely new review or edit one already made. I don’t feel 
entirely comfortable using that as a vehicle for reporting such things but 
sadly it might be all that’s left to us at this point. I’ll certainly give it a 
go without getting my hopes up too high.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

The last time I had an issue with Instacart I left them a one star rating in 
the app store and spelled out the accessibility issues in detail.  They got 
fixed in a subsequent update.  This was in about 2022 or so.

 

Lisa

 

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com> 

On 7/14/2024 5:52 PM, robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com>  
wrote:

Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do so at least 
until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be hard to decide whether or 
not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so difficult with them. Thanks for the 
tip about Shipt. If you achieve any success reporting things to Instacart 
please tell us all about it. So far, I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all 
have yielded no good results sadly.

 

Take good care,

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section where you 
can request no photos.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
robin...@fastmail.com <mailto:robin...@fastmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with 
Voiceover.

Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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[robini71]

Hi Paula and All,

I can’t speak to all areas but in my area, I was very pleased to discover that 
while the number of stores Shipt has isn’t as many as I find in Instacart it 
has increased the amount of grocery stores from which to choose. I know some 
who keep dual memberships to access all stores they wish to patronize; but I 
also acknowledge that might not be practical for all.

At this point I’m not sure Instacart will care whether we indicate our reasons 
for patronizing other services. They certainly don’t seem to care about 
creating a clear-cut pathway for reporting accessibility issues and getting 
them to the right teams so they can be addressed.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi all.  One of the reasons I switched from Shipt to Instacart was the wider 
variety of stores I could choose from.  When I had a Shipt membership several 
years ago, there were only two stores available. Has this changed?  Thanks.  
I’m hoping that if anyone changes to Shipt they’ll let Instacart know that 
they’ve changed due to accessibility problems.  Letting the problem be known 
might put a little pressure on. 

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

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Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do so at least 
until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be hard to decide whether or 
not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so difficult with them. Thanks for the 
tip about Shipt. If you achieve any success reporting things to Instacart 
please tell us all about it. So far, I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all 
have yielded no good results sadly.

 

Take good care,

 

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Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section where you 
can request no photos.

 

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Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

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Subject: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with 
Voiceover.

Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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Re: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

[Lisa Belville]

The last time I had an issue with Instacart I left them a one star 
rating in the app store and spelled out the accessibility issues in 
detail.  They got fixed in a subsequent update.  This was in about 2022 
or so.



Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 7/14/2024 5:52 PM, robin...@fastmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do so 
at least until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be hard to 
decide whether or not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so difficult 
with them. Thanks for the tip about Shipt. If you achieve any success 
reporting things to Instacart please tell us all about it. So far, 
I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all have yielded no good 
results sadly.


Take good care,

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com

*Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:10 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
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Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section 
where you can request no photos.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *robin...@fastmail.com

*Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:28 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to 
try it out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate 
with Instacart regarding accessibility related concerns.


I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond 
those which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have 
said they can find a search button with screen recognition turned on 
but I cannot reproduce this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest 
version of the Instacart app which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.


I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very 
disheartening and since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of 
life it saddens me that many of the consumer orgs don’t pay more 
attention to such matters.


Take good care,

Robin

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com

*Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:15 PM
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*Cc:* macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Instacart update broke tip adjustment

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip 
with Voiceover.


Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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[Paula Jordan]

Hi all.  One of the reasons I switched from Shipt to Instacart was the wider 
variety of stores I could choose from.  When I had a Shipt membership several 
years ago, there were only two stores available. Has this changed?  Thanks.  
I’m hoping that if anyone changes to Shipt they’ll let Instacart know that 
they’ve changed due to accessibility problems.  Letting the problem be known 
might put a little pressure on. 

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

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Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do so at least 
until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be hard to decide whether or 
not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so difficult with them. Thanks for the 
tip about Shipt. If you achieve any success reporting things to Instacart 
please tell us all about it. So far, I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all 
have yielded no good results sadly.

 

Take good care,

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section where you 
can request no photos.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

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Subject: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with 
Voiceover.

Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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[robini71]

Hi,

I hate to carry 2 membership subscriptions but I might have to do so at least 
until it’s time to renew Instacart and then it’ll be hard to decide whether or 
not to keep it. I wish things weren’t so difficult with them. Thanks for the 
tip about Shipt. If you achieve any success reporting things to Instacart 
please tell us all about it. So far, I’ve done email, phone, X platform and all 
have yielded no good results sadly.

 

Take good care,

 

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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section where you 
can request no photos.

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

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Subject: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with 
Voiceover.

Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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Shipt is accessible. They even have an accessibility settings section where you 
can request no photos.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

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Subject: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with 
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Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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[robini71]

Hi Sarai and all,

Funny you say this about Shipt, I just got a one-month subscription to try it 
out due to my absolute inability to effectively communicate with Instacart 
regarding accessibility related concerns.

I’m still wrestling with the inability to search for products beyond those 
which Instacart recommends for replacement options.  Some have said they can 
find a search button with screen recognition turned on but I cannot reproduce 
this at all running iOS 17.5.1 and the latest version of the Instacart app 
which by me is version 8.26.0 34014.

I’m sorry to hear yet another thing has broken. This is very disheartening and 
since grocery procurement is such a vital pert of life it saddens me that many 
of the consumer orgs don’t pay more attention to such matters.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

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Subject: Instacart update broke tip adjustment

 

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with 
Voiceover.

Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

Might be ditching my Instacart subscription and sticking with Shipt.

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Instacart update broke tip adjustment

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Looks like latest update of Instacart broke being able to adjust tip with
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Still cannot pick favorite delivery shopper. Ugg.

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Re: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

[Keith Kramlinger]

Thanks very much for these replies. I think I will hold tight for now with both 
the older firmware and the old app. Thanks much. Keith


On Jun 24, 2024, at 3:42 PM, robin...@fastmail.com wrote:


Hi,
It was my experience that if I wanted to either add a music service or 
reauthorize a music service or voice service firmware update was necessitated 
and one could not proceed without doing so.
Ultimately I did update both firmware and software and thus far once we got 
past the very first app update subsequent app updates have improved 
accessibility with each release.
I hope that helps.
Take good care,
Robin


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

Hi Keith,
I have my doubts you will be able to use the old app if you update the 
firmware.  It kind of worked when I first did the Sonos app update on my iPad 
Mini 6.  After updating the firmware, I got a message on the old app on the 
iPhone that I needed to update.  I ignored that message and it worked OK.
But, I cannot say much more since I accidentally updated the iPhone app when 
the next Sonos update came out, so now I’m stuck with the updated version on 
both devices.

So, I wouldn’t update the firmware until you are ready to update the app too.
Maybe someone else knows more that will chime in.


Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ...
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Keith 
Kramlinger
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

Hi Richard,
Thanks very much for this. It is most helpful.
I am still on the old Sonos app and have not updated the firmware. On my 
iPhone, I think I will stay using the old Sonos app, but I am open to 
experimenting with the new Sonos app on an older iPhone that I have. Do you 
think it is necessary or safe to use a manual update of the new Sonos firmware 
to continue using the old Sonos app? If I recall, you had several devices and 
did not update one of them so you have some experience possibly with this 
approach. I do recall that you did update your firmware as well.

This is indeed unfortunate that Sonos has taken this route before making sure 
it is fully functional. I am sure they will hear from many of us on an ongoing 
basis about this.
I will be listening to your demo several more times before attempting to play 
with the new app.
Thanks very much. Keith

On Jun 24, 2024, at 12:49 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi there,
I did a very rough demo of today's update from Sonos and have put the 9 minute 
or so recording on my web site on the Demos and Walk-Throughs page.  Here is 
the direct link to the demo.  It isn’t great.
https://www.turner42.com/Sonos-June-24-2024-update.mp3
The demo page is at:
https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html

HTH,
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RE: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

[robini71]

Hi,

It was my experience that if I wanted to either add a music service or 
reauthorize a music service or voice service firmware update was necessitated 
and one could not proceed without doing so.

Ultimately I did update both firmware and software and thus far once we got 
past the very first app update subsequent app updates have improved 
accessibility with each release.

I hope that helps.

Take good care,

Robin

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

 

Hi Keith,

I have my doubts you will be able to use the old app if you update the 
firmware.  It kind of worked when I first did the Sonos app update on my iPad 
Mini 6.  After updating the firmware, I got a message on the old app on the 
iPhone that I needed to update.  I ignored that message and it worked OK.

But, I cannot say much more since I accidentally updated the iPhone app when 
the next Sonos update came out, so now I’m stuck with the updated version on 
both devices.

 

So, I wouldn’t update the firmware until you are ready to update the app too.

Maybe someone else knows more that will chime in.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

 

Hi Richard,

Thanks very much for this. It is most helpful.

I am still on the old Sonos app and have not updated the firmware. On my 
iPhone, I think I will stay using the old Sonos app, but I am open to 
experimenting with the new Sonos app on an older iPhone that I have. Do you 
think it is necessary or safe to use a manual update of the new Sonos firmware 
to continue using the old Sonos app? If I recall, you had several devices and 
did not update one of them so you have some experience possibly with this 
approach. I do recall that you did update your firmware as well.

 

This is indeed unfortunate that Sonos has taken this route before making sure 
it is fully functional. I am sure they will hear from many of us on an ongoing 
basis about this.

I will be listening to your demo several more times before attempting to play 
with the new app.

Thanks very much. Keith 

 

On Jun 24, 2024, at 12:49 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi there,

I did a very rough demo of today's update from Sonos and have put the 9 minute 
or so recording on my web site on the Demos and Walk-Throughs page.  Here is 
the direct link to the demo.  It isn’t great.  

https://www.turner42.com/Sonos-June-24-2024-update.mp3

The demo page is at:

https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html

 

HTH,

Richard, USA

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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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RE: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

[Richard Turner]

Hi Keith,

I have my doubts you will be able to use the old app if you update the 
firmware.  It kind of worked when I first did the Sonos app update on my iPad 
Mini 6.  After updating the firmware, I got a message on the old app on the 
iPhone that I needed to update.  I ignored that message and it worked OK.

But, I cannot say much more since I accidentally updated the iPhone app when 
the next Sonos update came out, so now I’m stuck with the updated version on 
both devices.

 

So, I wouldn’t update the firmware until you are ready to update the app too.

Maybe someone else knows more that will chime in.

 

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Keith 
Kramlinger
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

 

Hi Richard,

Thanks very much for this. It is most helpful.

I am still on the old Sonos app and have not updated the firmware. On my 
iPhone, I think I will stay using the old Sonos app, but I am open to 
experimenting with the new Sonos app on an older iPhone that I have. Do you 
think it is necessary or safe to use a manual update of the new Sonos firmware 
to continue using the old Sonos app? If I recall, you had several devices and 
did not update one of them so you have some experience possibly with this 
approach. I do recall that you did update your firmware as well.

 

This is indeed unfortunate that Sonos has taken this route before making sure 
it is fully functional. I am sure they will hear from many of us on an ongoing 
basis about this.

I will be listening to your demo several more times before attempting to play 
with the new app.

Thanks very much. Keith 





On Jun 24, 2024, at 12:49 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi there,

I did a very rough demo of today's update from Sonos and have put the 9 minute 
or so recording on my web site on the Demos and Walk-Throughs page.  Here is 
the direct link to the demo.  It isn’t great.  

https://www.turner42.com/Sonos-June-24-2024-update.mp3

The demo page is at:

https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html

 

HTH,

Richard, USA

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Re: Sonos update 80.03.07 as of June 24

[Keith Kramlinger]

Hi Richard,
Thanks very much for this. It is most helpful.
I am still on the old Sonos app and have not updated the firmware. On my 
iPhone, I think I will stay using the old Sonos app, but I am open to 
experimenting with the new Sonos app on an older iPhone that I have. Do you 
think it is necessary or safe to use a manual update of the new Sonos firmware 
to continue using the old Sonos app? If I recall, you had several devices and 
did not update one of them so you have some experience possibly with this 
approach. I do recall that you did update your firmware as well.

This is indeed unfortunate that Sonos has taken this route before making sure 
it is fully functional. I am sure they will hear from many of us on an ongoing 
basis about this.
I will be listening to your demo several more times before attempting to play 
with the new app.
Thanks very much. Keith

On Jun 24, 2024, at 12:49 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Hi there,
I did a very rough demo of today's update from Sonos and have put the 9 minute 
or so recording on my web site on the Demos and Walk-Throughs page.  Here is 
the direct link to the demo.  It isn’t great.
https://www.turner42.com/Sonos-June-24-2024-update.mp3
The demo page is at:
https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html

HTH,
Richard, USA
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Voice Dream update 4.34.5

[Richard Turner]

Update info from today, May 21, 2024:
- Restore previous VoiceOver navigation - Fix bug with downloading Bookshare 
files on iOS 16 - Fix issues with playing mp3 files



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RE: Sonos App Update

[Richard Turner]

I updated my iPad where I had put the last update and while this one is better, 
it is still way too clunky for my liking.

I hope the update promised in 6 weeks gets us back to some level of normalcy.

I hope they add an option to not have so damn much on one screen.

 

 

 

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Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos App Update

 

Funny timing, I was just composing my message about the app update. Depending 
on how adventurous you are I would say you can update now, but there is 
definitely a bit of a learning curve and some experimentation required. It is 
definitely a lot better, though, maybe some others who have updated will post 
their feedback and what they have discovered works and doesn't work.

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Sonos App Update

 

Hi,

I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the 
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it’s supposed to have improved 
VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I’m still running 
the older version prior to the redesign.  

Tom

 

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RE: Sonos App Update

[lange85]

Hi Sieghard,

Funny timing indeed! I ran the update just after I saw your message.  After 
looking at a couple of dialogs which I closed, the new app wanted me to do a 
software update for my Sonos speakers, which are the old Sonos 1.  The firmware 
update completed successfully and I’m happy to say that the speakers are back 
in action, and, exploring the screen with VoiceOver seems to work okay. I’ve 
got a lot of exploring to do, but I’ll take my time with that. I’ve got a lot 
of other stuff that I need to do today. I look forward to hearing about how you 
and others out there are faring with the recent update. Thanks.

 

Tom

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos App Update

 

Funny timing, I was just composing my message about the app update. Depending 
on how adventurous you are I would say you can update now, but there is 
definitely a bit of a learning curve and some experimentation required. It is 
definitely a lot better, though, maybe some others who have updated will post 
their feedback and what they have discovered works and doesn't work.

 

 

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Subject: Sonos App Update

 

Hi,

I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the 
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it’s supposed to have improved 
VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I’m still running 
the older version prior to the redesign.  

Tom

 

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RE: Sonos App Update

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Funny timing, I was just composing my message about the app update. Depending 
on how adventurous you are I would say you can update now, but there is 
definitely a bit of a learning curve and some experimentation required. It is 
definitely a lot better, though, maybe some others who have updated will post 
their feedback and what they have discovered works and doesn't work.


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Hi,
I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the 
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it’s supposed to have improved 
VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I’m still running 
the older version prior to the redesign.
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As promised, today's Sonos update brings significant Voiceover improvements

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi, as Sonos promised, an update of the new Sonos app which was released two 
weeks ago came out today. I decided to update and I am happy to say that while 
not perfect, the app is now definitely very usable with Voiceover. Exploring by 
touch again lets you find stuff and swiping is much more efficient. There are 
still places where a certain item has two or three different labels/icons you 
can click on with the same result, but while I haven't spend more than 10 or 15 
minutes with the app, I can now say it's not a complete disaster any more. 
There was, by the way, also an update of the firmware today which I assume has 
to do with the announcement of the new headset. One thing I have not yet 
figured out and it may simply not yet be possible is how to rearrange one's 
home screen. According to the app tour you can arrange what you want to see on 
yoru home screen and in which order, e.g. Recently Added, Albums, Artists etc. 
Sounds like this is a drag and drop sort of thing and I may have to ask one of 
my sighted employees to figure it out and then see if it can be done, but after 
going into "Edit", doing a double tap and hold does not seem to work. There is 
a remove button on the left of all the items which are showing, but not the 
typical reorder button one finds in other iOS apps.
Let's hope Sonos will keep their promise and continue with more Voiceover 
improvements to bring accessibility up to par with the old app by the end of 
June. If this wasn't such a busy time for me work wise I'd probably ask to be 
back in the beta program, but hopefully there are a few other blind users who 
do have time and can do this.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Sonos App Update

[lange85]

Hi,

I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it's supposed to have
improved VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I'm
still running the older version prior to the redesign.  

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Re: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

['Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone]

I need to start using envision AI more. I use superSense often but lately end 
up going to either Seeing AI or AIRA out of frustration. I purchased SuperSense 
at a Convention several years ago after a live presentation full of promises.  
I”m wondering when a host of new promised features will appear with a new 
subscription model. Such as we have been recently seeing.
Merv


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> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
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>> 
>> Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, 
>> does as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. 
>> This BS about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long 
>> enough. And, they never reply to emails sent to them. 
>> Here is what the update says:
>> Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) 
>> Minor UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More 
>> exciting news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any 
>> feedback to provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know 
>> what you think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to 
>> superse...@mediate.tech. Best, Supersense Team
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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Re: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

[Esther Levegnale]

I also enjoy envision AI. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On May 13, 2024, at 4:39 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, they never reply to emails sent to them. Here is what the update says:Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Best, Supersense TeamRichard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 



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RE: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

[Dennis Long]

It’s a shame.  I don’t know whatever happened to Shane.  He seemed to care 
about the product.  There is no community engagement now.  It’s a shame.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 4:39 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited
 
Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does 
as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS 
about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, 
they never reply to emails sent to them. 
Here is what the update says:
Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor 
UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting 
news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to 
provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think 
about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech 
<mailto:superse...@mediate.tech> . Best, Supersense Team
 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
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SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

[Richard Turner]

Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does 
as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS 
about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, 
they never reply to emails sent to them. 
Here is what the update says:
Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor 
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news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to 
provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think 
about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Best, 
Supersense Team


Richard, USA
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Dennis Long]

It never should've been released.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

It's clunky at best, if you haven't updated yet and you use your Sonos app a 
lot I would highly recommend that you wait to see what happens in 2 weeks. I 
told my Sonos contact that the ball is now in their court and they better make 
sure the promises they made about major accessibility improvements on May 21 
and more by end of June will happen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
>> 
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It's clunky at best, if you haven't updated yet and you use your Sonos app a 
lot I would highly recommend that you wait to see what happens in 2 weeks. I 
told my Sonos contact that the ball is now in their court and they better make 
sure the promises they made about major accessibility improvements on May 21 
and more by end of June will happen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
>> 
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>> 
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>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
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>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Thanks Larry, I had already noticed the fact that if I use the gesture to go to 
the very bottom and swip eback I see my speakers/rooms, but with all these 
strange buttons and images I hadn't figured out yet which one to tap. Let's 
hope that the May 21 update we are being told includes a lot of accessibility 
improvements will address a lot of this especially the fact that right now you 
have to swipe everywhere and can't find anything buy simply touching the 
screen. I also found that if you do what yiou describe and are not careful, you 
easily end up a the top again so if you have a number of speakers and lose your 
place you then have to start all over again with the gesture to go to the 
bottom and swipe 10 or 15 times to get one of your speakers near the top of the 
list etc.
I am definitely not updating my Sonos app on the iPhone until this gets a lot 
better, but you really have to be careful bvecause not just do you have to pay 
attention that you don't accidently or by habit tap on "Update All", but when I 
opened the old Sonos app last night I was also presented with a screen touting 
the new update and I had to dismiss it before I could use the app and the 
"Update" bvutton was right next to the "Dismiss" button so one can easily tap 
the wrong thing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:19 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I have found a couple of ways to do this. I guess the easiest way 
if you can call it that is to: When you open the Sonos app, do a 4 finger 
single tap on the bottom of the screen. Once you are at the bottom of the 
screen, start swiping back. Now because you are swiping back, You are going to 
see things related to the room before you see the name of the room itself. For 
example, when I start swiping back, I see something like  volume small. I then 
see what is playing Tim Mcgraw, live like you were dying. Swipe again and I see 
the play button. I keep swiping until I see the room name. If I know what room 
I’m in based on the song, I only swipe back until I hear speakers. If you 
double tap speakers, the app will then bring up a list of your rooms. You then 
swipe to the room you want to add. After the room name, It will say something 
like circlecheck. Double tap that and continue this until all rooms you want is 
selected. At the bottom there is an apply button. 
As I stated in my previous email, there is a lot of swiping required for this 
new app. This needs to be addressed by the Sonos team sooner rather than later. 
There are other accessibility issues that has to be fixed also. I guess my hope 
is that those who can use this app will do so. That way, issues can be found 
and reported to Sonos. If Sonos cares about all of their customers, including 
The blind community, They will hear us and fix these issues. I have over $7,000 
invested in Sonos products and growing. 

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, but how do you select a particular room or speaker to play 
> music on? I was able to access the system settings no problem, but I have had 
> little success selecting a particular room and then select for example my 
> Apple Music subscription to find a particular artist, album or playlist. I 
> actually don't even use Sonos all that much, my sighted wife does more, but 
> until I can reliably select where I want to play whatever music I want to 
> play, I won't update my iPhone.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:34 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
> there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
> everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
> accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
> originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
> iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
> touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is 
> off no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that 
> it is changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker 
> that is playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope 
> Sonos address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. 
> But for me, The app is useable.
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
>> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does no

Re: Sonos latest update.

[Larry Smith]

Hi Sieghard. I have found a couple of ways to do this. I guess the easiest way 
if you can call it that is to: When you open the Sonos app, do a 4 finger 
single tap on the bottom of the screen. Once you are at the bottom of the 
screen, start swiping back. Now because you are swiping back, You are going to 
see things related to the room before you see the name of the room itself. For 
example, when I start swiping back, I see something like  volume small. I then 
see what is playing Tim Mcgraw, live like you were dying. Swipe again and I see 
the play button. I keep swiping until I see the room name. If I know what room 
I’m in based on the song, I only swipe back until I hear speakers. If you 
double tap speakers, the app will then bring up a list of your rooms. You then 
swipe to the room you want to add. After the room name, It will say something 
like circlecheck. Double tap that and continue this until all rooms you want is 
selected. At the bottom there is an apply button. 
As I stated in my previous email, there is a lot of swiping required for this 
new app. This needs to be addressed by the Sonos team sooner rather than later. 
There are other accessibility issues that has to be fixed also. I guess my hope 
is that those who can use this app will do so. That way, issues can be found 
and reported to Sonos. If Sonos cares about all of their customers, including 
The blind community, They will hear us and fix these issues. I have over $7,000 
invested in Sonos products and growing. 

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, but how do you select a particular room or speaker to play 
> music on? I was able to access the system settings no problem, but I have had 
> little success selecting a particular room and then select for example my 
> Apple Music subscription to find a particular artist, album or playlist. I 
> actually don't even use Sonos all that much, my sighted wife does more, but 
> until I can reliably select where I want to play whatever music I want to 
> play, I won't update my iPhone.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:34 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
> there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
> everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
> accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
> originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
> iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
> touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is 
> off no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that 
> it is changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker 
> that is playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope 
> Sonos address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. 
> But for me, The app is useable.
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
>> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update 
>> comes with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our 
>> iPad last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app 
>> and I was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be 
>> all about a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of 
>> the system.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On

RE: Sonos latest update.

[chrisjudge1967]

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just curious, but how do you select a particular room or speaker to play music 
on? I was able to access the system settings no problem, but I have had little 
success selecting a particular room and then select for example my Apple Music 
subscription to find a particular artist, album or playlist. I actually don't 
even use Sonos all that much, my sighted wife does more, but until I can 
reliably select where I want to play whatever music I want to play, I won't 
update my iPhone.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:34 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
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Re: Sonos latest update.

[Larry Smith]

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
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>> 
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
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>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about a 
new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  

> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
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> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the 
> Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And also, I did manage to find System Update in the new app on the iPad and 
when I double tapped "Check for updates" I was told that my system did not need 
to be updated which indicates that this is entirely an app/user interface 
update and does not involve any firmware update of the Sonos speakers. 
Therefore, for the time at least even if you do turn on automatic updates in 
your old Sonos app and the speakers get an update, this should not affect the 
app or force you to update to the new app. Just make sure you don't have 
automatic app updates turned on or accidently tap on "update all" and you 
should be fine using the fully accessible Sonos app until hopefully Sonos comes 
to their senses. Of course it will definitely not hurt to continue bugging them 
about this terrible decision to release such a big UI update without making 
sure it is fully accessible. It would be great if somebody could contact 
reputable organisations like Engadget, What HiFi, 9to5Mac and so on to see if 
they wouldn't jump in by publishing articles about this.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!



The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Richard,

I updated the Sonos app on our iPad and while it's far from good, I did not 
have any issues swiping to and activating buttons like Account Info, System 
Info. It was late last night so I only spend maybe 5 minutes with it and I 
certainly wouldn't want it on my iPhone 13 Pro which I use as my primary 
device, but like I said, some of these things worked fine for me without screen 
recognition. I have yet to ask a sighted person to tell me what they see and 
how it all interacts with Voiceover. Let's hope Sonos will implement an initial 
round of Voiceover improvements in 2 weeks as they mentioned in some post I 
read. If they say this and don't do it then this would truly be not a good sign.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!



The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[Dennis Long]

Sonos is just like every other company these days.  Accessibility we can get to 
later.  There are few companies who put accessibility at the core of what they 
do.  Apple is one of the few that does.  Sad more companies don’t adopt Apple’s 
values.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do not update Sonos!
 
Thanks for this. I disabled automatic updates in the app store and set my 
system to not update automatically. This is probably the most disappointing 
accessibility issue I’ve ever faced. I have thousands of dollars invested in 
Sonos. I sure hope they take steps to make it right.
 
Chris Judge
 

 
 

 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Do not update Sonos!
 
 
 
The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.
 
  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[chrisjudge1967]

Thanks for this. I disabled automatic updates in the app store and set my 
system to not update automatically. This is probably the most disappointing 
accessibility issue I’ve ever faced. I have thousands of dollars invested in 
Sonos. I sure hope they take steps to make it right.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!

 

 

 

The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!

It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.

Without Screen Recognition it is useless.

I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.

And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.

And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

 

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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Re: Sonos latest update.

[Larry Smith]

Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  

> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
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> Subject: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the 
> Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
> 
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Richard Turner]

I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Sonos latest update.

Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the firmware? 
I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update the app only. 
I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if things would be 
different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the Sonos app on my 
iPhone 15 Max.

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Sonos latest update.

[Larry Smith]

Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the firmware? 
I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update the app only. 
I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if things would be 
different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the Sonos app on my 
iPhone 15 Max.

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Do not update Sonos!

[Richard Turner]

 

 

The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!

It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good
as before.

Without Screen Recognition it is useless.

I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.

And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your
System button does nothing.

And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System
Button, but again, it doesn't activate.

 

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you
want a totally frustrating experience, don't update.  I updated on my iPad
Mini 6 which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won't be touching the update on my
phone.

 

Richard, USA

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than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight
fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life."
-- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Chris, it would be if it's true. I assumed it was, but usually Jonathan has 
good information and if he heard that the accessibility of the new app is 
terrible then I am sure he has good reasons to say this. If I hear back from my 
Sonos contact I will certainly provide that information. In any case, we'll 
find out in a day and a half provided you choose to upgrade. I have two 
systems, one at home and one at my retail store and I may just try it first 
there with an iPad we have before updating the app on my phone.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 5:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

That’s great to hear.

Chris Judge

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

A Sonos employee confirmed on the Sonos Community forum that the new update 
will continue to be fully Voiceover accessible.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app


I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the update.

Dave


On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Thanks Sieghard,
This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. T

RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[chrisjudge1967]

That’s great to hear.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

A Sonos employee confirmed on the Sonos Community forum that the new update 
will continue to be fully Voiceover accessible.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
David Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ; Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> >
Subject: Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the update.

Dave

 

On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Thanks Sieghard,

This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

 

Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

 

Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your 

RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

A Sonos employee confirmed on the Sonos Community forum that the new update 
will continue to be fully Voiceover accessible.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app


I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the update.

Dave


On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Thanks Sieghard,
This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

Help is just around the top-right corner
Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

Complete control
Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

Streaming streamlined
The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

Services on Sonos
Unlock all the power of Sonos
Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

Access from your computer or tablet
The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

​ Sonos Radio
Music comes standard
Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.


Take care,
Sieghard

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Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[David Grossoehme]

I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the 
update.


Dave


On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:


Thanks Sieghard,

This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.


Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and 
less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your 
sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of 
your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio 
Description (1932-2009)


My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com>

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from 
Sonos, I just received the below:


Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to 
personalize your listening experience.


Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing 
Sonos app.


How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that 
this update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, 
features, and services will work as they always have, and all your 
settings will be saved.


What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details 
when the update is available.


The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some 
visuals on that website which may show some of the new look, but the 
below information is also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain 
their excellent track record regarding Voiceover accessibility and the 
new app will be fully accessible as the app has been now for around 11 
or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for Sonos, but stopped quite a 
long time ago so I have no personal experience with this update yet 
and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. Here now 
the info they do provide:


Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one 
place for effortless control.


Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to 
your favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And 
personalize your experience.


Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. 
Quickly jump back into recent favourites, browse services, search for 
content, find recommendations, and control your system.


Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just 
enter the artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of 
combined results from all your services.


Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos 
Favourites to create the ultimate music library. Add and edit 
Collections to your Home screen for easy access to go-to content.


Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each 
speaker and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.


Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most 
of your Sonos experience in your Message Centre.


Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos 
products for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the 
volume, change what's playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room 
to the next.


Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for 
music, podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and 
play all the content you love.


Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice 
Control. Adjust speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily 
add speakers to your system.


Access from your computer or tablet

The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and 
content from your browser.


​ Sonos Radio

Music comes standard

Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from 
Sonos Radio. No extra download or account required.


Take care,

Sieghard

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just did a Google search for "Will the new Sonos app maintain Voiceover 
accessibility" and the first search result was a link to exactly that question 
which was asked by another blind Sonos user in the Sonos community. Here is the 
reply given by a Sonos employee:

Welcome to the Sonos Community!
Apologies for the delay - I wanted to ensure I had a correct answer for you.
Yes, the new Sonos app has been tested with voice-over and will continue to be 
accessible to voice-over users. We aim to keep improving this experience and 
our ultimate goal is to have an even better experience for voice-over users 
with our new app update.
I hope this helps.


Take care,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 2:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

I always get Leary when I hear about a pending update for the
Sonos app. So far the accessibility has been great, but I have well over $1 
invested in Sonos gear and I can’t help but get a bit nervous wondering if some 
major accessibility issue will come up and turn my speakers in to paper 
weights. Having said all that, I’m excited for the update and just hope Sonos 
don’t brake something major.

Chris Judge

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

Help is just around the top-right corner
Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

Complete control
Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

Streaming streamlined
The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

Services on Sonos
Unlock all the power of Sonos
Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

Access from your computer or tablet
The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

​ Sonos Radio
Music comes standa

RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[chrisjudge1967]

I always get Leary when I hear about a pending update for the 
Sonos app. So far the accessibility has been great, but I have well over $1 
invested in Sonos gear and I can’t help but get a bit nervous wondering if some 
major accessibility issue will come up and turn my speakers in to paper 
weights. Having said all that, I’m excited for the update and just hope Sonos 
don’t brake something major.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

 

Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

 

Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

 

Access from your computer or tablet

The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

 

​ Sonos Radio

Music comes standard

Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Sieghard,

This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

 

Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

 

Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

 

Access from your computer or tablet

The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

 

​ Sonos Radio

Music comes standard

Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

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A big update is coming to the Sonos app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

Help is just around the top-right corner
Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

Complete control
Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

Streaming streamlined
The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

Services on Sonos
Unlock all the power of Sonos
Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

Access from your computer or tablet
The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

​ Sonos Radio
Music comes standard
Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.


Take care,
Sieghard

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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi,everyone,Wow!  I absolutely love Seeing AI, and it's good to know that there is an update!  Thanks for the info!EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Apr 8, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Sharonda White-Goode  wrote:I definitely agree that this update is quite significant, as I have many photos to clean off my phone. On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 10:04 AM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs which you can then save as a route and follow.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.

Hello,

An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says about the update.

• Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.

Malcolm Parfitt

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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Sharonda White-Goode]

I definitely agree that this update is quite significant, as I have many
photos to clean off my phone.

On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 10:04 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my
> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency
> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus
> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much
> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge
> you have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send
> it to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to
> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description,
> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures
> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the
> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the
> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of
> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor
> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs
> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>
> Hello,
>
> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says
> about the update.
>
> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on
> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your
> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic
> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to
> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate
> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask
> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or
> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich
> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the
> image. • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been
> improved to include even more details. Additionally, the names of people
> you have taught Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now
> available in all 19 languages in which Seeing AI is localized. •
> Handwriting recognition is now also available in Japanese and Korean. •
> Document orientation - After scanning a document, you can find out which
> way round it is - useful when organizing multiple pages for stapling, for
> example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the
> hood.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I also think that Seeing AI is a wonderful and awesome app! I 
hope all of you have a fantastic day. Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been 
> free. I use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my 
> packages that I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope 
> that more people would get into using it. I have use the part about looking 
> at photos a little bit, I find that part of it very useful.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my 
>> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency 
>> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus 
>> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much 
>> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you 
>> have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it 
>> to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to 
>> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, 
>> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures 
>> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the 
>> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the 
>> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of 
>> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor 
>> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs 
>> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
>> about the update.
>> 
>> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
>> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
>> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic 
>> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to 
>> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate 
>> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask 
>> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or 
>> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich 
>> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. 
>> • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to 
>> include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught 
>> Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 
>> languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now 
>> also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After 
>> scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when 
>> organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page 
>> Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Seeing AI does not describe people in the same level as Be My AI does but it is 
still an outstanding app.

In my opinion SuperSense’s document mode is the best at the moment, it guides 
you on placing your phone with instructions like:  Move forward, back, left, 
right, nearer and away so you get the document correctly in the view of the 
camera.  Not all edges are visible is not all that helpful in placing your 
phone correctly.

Yes I know SuperSense is expensive but as I already have a lifetime license it 
makes sense to use it.  Whether it is worth the money is a matter of opinion.  
Many apps now have a similar feature set and all have their strengths.  Having 
all the free ones gives us choice and that is all to the good.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 6 Apr 2024, at 6:08 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been 
> free. I use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my 
> packages that I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope 
> that more people would get into using it. I have use the part about looking 
> at photos a little bit, I find that part of it very useful.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my 
>> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency 
>> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus 
>> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much 
>> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you 
>> have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it 
>> to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to 
>> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, 
>> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures 
>> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the 
>> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the 
>> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of 
>> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor 
>> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs 
>> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
>> about the update.
>> 
>> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
>> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
>> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic 
>> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to 
>> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate 
>> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask 
>> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or 
>> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich 
>> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. 
>> • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to 
>> include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught 
>> Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 
>> languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now 
>> also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After 
>> scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when 
>> organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page 
>> Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Barbara Stahl]

Yes it's a great app

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been 
> free. I use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my 
> packages that I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope 
> that more people would get into using it. I have use the part about looking 
> at photos a little bit, I find that part of it very useful. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my 
>> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency 
>> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus 
>> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much 
>> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you 
>> have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it 
>> to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to 
>> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, 
>> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures 
>> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the 
>> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the 
>> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of 
>> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor 
>> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs 
>> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
>> about the update.
>> 
>> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
>> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
>> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic 
>> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to 
>> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate 
>> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask 
>> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or 
>> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich 
>> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. 
>> • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to 
>> include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught 
>> Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 
>> languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now 
>> also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After 
>> scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when 
>> organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page 
>> Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Michael Irons]

I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been free. I 
use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my packages that 
I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope that more people 
would get into using it. I have use the part about looking at photos a little 
bit, I find that part of it very useful. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my opinion 
> is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency recognition and 
> so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus and I only this 
> morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much better than what you 
> can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you have to work from the 
> Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it to Be My AI for 
> recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to your photos library 
> and as you open a picture you get a brief description, you can then tap on 
> More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures from the Seeing AI app 
> although I find you may have to back out of the Browse Photos feature and go 
> back in before the picture disappears from the list of pictures. Anyways, 
> very nice and I definitely plan to try more of the new features like finding 
> items/objects and also to try the Indoor Navigation feature which allows you 
> to put down something like bread crumbs which you can then save as a route 
> and follow.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
> about the update.
> 
> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic objects, 
> so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to teach new 
> objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate your things. • 
> Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask Seeing AI 
> questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or those 
> shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich description, you 
> may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. • Rich image 
> descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to include even 
> more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught Seeing AI to 
> identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 languages in 
> which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now also available 
> in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After scanning a document, 
> you can find out which way round it is - useful when organizing multiple 
> pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, 
> various bug fixes under the hood.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
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RE: Update to Seeing AI now available.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my opinion is 
still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency recognition and so on. 
The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus and I only this morning 
tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much better than what you can do 
with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you have to work from the Photos 
app, open each picture, tap share and send it to Be My AI for recognition. In 
the Seeing AI app you can give access to your photos library and as you open a 
picture you get a brief description, you can then tap on More Info and hear 
more. You can even delete pictures from the Seeing AI app although I find you 
may have to back out of the Browse Photos feature and go back in before the 
picture disappears from the list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I 
definitely plan to try more of the new features like finding items/objects and 
also to try the Indoor Navigation feature which allows you to put down 
something like bread crumbs which you can then save as a route and follow.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.

Hello,

An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says about 
the update.

• Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on devices 
running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your personal 
objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic objects, so we 
built this system that provides an audio-first experience to teach new objects 
yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate your things. • Ask 
questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask Seeing AI questions 
about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or those shared from 
another app. For example, after hearing the rich description, you may wish to 
hear more about a specific aspect of the image. • Rich image descriptions, when 
you tap "More Info", have been improved to include even more details. 
Additionally, the names of people you have taught Seeing AI to identify are now 
included. And, this is now available in all 19 languages in which Seeing AI is 
localized. • Handwriting recognition is now also available in Japanese and 
Korean. • Document orientation - After scanning a document, you can find out 
which way round it is - useful when organizing multiple pages for stapling, for 
example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.

Malcolm Parfitt

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RE: Phone update question

[Rob Armstrong]

You should first take a backup of your current system just to be safe.  You can 
back up to iCloud.  But the better approach is to take an encrypted backup to a 
Windows computer or a Mac.  I have never had to restore from a backup, but I 
always take a backup before a major update to a new release.

You should probably have your phone plugged into the battery charger while 
doing the update.  Start the update when you are getting ready to go to bed.  
You will have to enter the pass code to begin the update.  After you enter the 
pass code, the update will happen without you having to do anything.

When I did the update a few weeks ago, an error occurred during the download of 
the new version.  There was an option to retry.  After I double tapped Retry, 
the update downloaded and installed without any more problem.

When the update finishes, it automatically shuts down and restarts the phone.  
It will be on the home screen.

Rob

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 1:02 PM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: Phone update question



I'm one of those people who update their phones later than most. This morning, 
I wanted to download an APP and discovered I'd have to have the latest version. 
Good reason to update from iOS 16. Is there a way to do this by having it 
happen overnight, instead of putting my phone out of commission during the day 
while the update is being installed? Thanks for any suggestions.





+Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

+Peace & Blessings,
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Phone update question

[Duane Steele]

I'm one of those people who update their phones later than most. This morning, 
I wanted to download an APP and discovered I'd have to have the latest version. 
Good reason to update from iOS 16. Is there a way to do this by having it 
happen overnight, instead of putting my phone out of commission during the day 
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Re: Soundscape Community update

[Jody ianuzzi]

I have both Soundscape invoice Vista but I prefer Soundscape because VoiceVista 
seems to be more of a ripped out version of Soundscape
JODY

To Boldly Go  🖖🏻 


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"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik 
Weihenmayer

> On Mar 23, 2024, at 9:30 PM, Thomas Frank  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t updated Sound Scape yet. In any case, I already switched to Voice 
> Vista. This is a fantastic Sound Scape clone made possible when Sound Scape 
> went open source. Voice Vista has many more features than Sound Scape and 
> something new is release almost every week. Try it; you’ll like it.
> 
> Tom
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 7:56 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There was an update to Soundscape Community in the last day or two that I 
>> thought some may folks would want to know about: Here is what it says.
>> Optimisations and enhancements to the core Soundscape experience. 
>> Additionally, we are introducing the Recreational Activities feature 
>> designed to allow the offline creation and import of routes which can then 
>> be shared with a Soundscape Community user, and which provide more 
>> information and details of the environment and surroundings. This was 
>> developed in close collaboration with Mobility Instructors to support them 
>> in the teaching and development of orientation and mobility skills for the 
>> range of different people they work with, including those who are blind or 
>> have low-vision, or developing navigation and wayfinding capabilities for 
>> everyone.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
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Re: Soundscape Community update

[Thomas Frank]

I haven’t updated Sound Scape yet. In any case, I already switched to Voice 
Vista. This is a fantastic Sound Scape clone made possible when Sound Scape 
went open source. Voice Vista has many more features than Sound Scape and 
something new is release almost every week. Try it; you’ll like it.

Tom
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> On Mar 23, 2024, at 7:56 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> There was an update to Soundscape Community in the last day or two that I 
> thought some may folks would want to know about: Here is what it says.
> Optimisations and enhancements to the core Soundscape experience. 
> Additionally, we are introducing the Recreational Activities feature designed 
> to allow the offline creation and import of routes which can then be shared 
> with a Soundscape Community user, and which provide more information and 
> details of the environment and surroundings. This was developed in close 
> collaboration with Mobility Instructors to support them in the teaching and 
> development of orientation and mobility skills for the range of different 
> people they work with, including those who are blind or have low-vision, or 
> developing navigation and wayfinding capabilities for everyone.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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Soundscape Community update

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There was an update to Soundscape Community in the last day or two that I 
thought some may folks would want to know about: Here is what it says.
Optimisations and enhancements to the core Soundscape experience. Additionally, 
we are introducing the Recreational Activities feature designed to allow the 
offline creation and import of routes which can then be shared with a 
Soundscape Community user, and which provide more information and details of 
the environment and surroundings. This was developed in close collaboration 
with Mobility Instructors to support them in the teaching and development of 
orientation and mobility skills for the range of different people they work 
with, including those who are blind or have low-vision, or developing 
navigation and wayfinding capabilities for everyone.


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FW: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes What is going on?

[Dennis Long]

I don't normally do this.  But I wanted to backup some of the claims I was 
making.  I feel it is important.

-Original Message-
From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Jeanette 
Kutash
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 2:34 PM
To: hablecommun...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
What is going on?

I have to agree with Dennis here. For those of us who are less technically 
comfortable releasing a product without notes is like sudden death and Hable 
does this a lot. While I think some people have asked for more than Hable can 
deliver they need to be realistic and make choices. I started out loving the 
device but have found it difficult to learn to use because of the way they so 
sloppily do their documentation. And if Roger you think this is so great 
perhaps you should spend some of your time helping people who struggle. I think 
we have been very patient with Hable and  they have never been completely 
honest with us. When I got mine I tried to set up an appointment for help not 
once, not twice, but three times, and I got no assistance. So yes they may be a 
small staff but they have made promises, including a better help system, and 
have been unable to follow through. To continue to survive and I hope they do, 
they need to step up to the plate and figure out what they can realistically do 
and follow through on.

Jeanette 

-Original Message-
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Roger Fordham
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
What is going on?

Well you keep being there Dennis. But as for me, I use mine every day. I 
like it; each to his own. It may not be perfect, but for what it is, 
it's great. Voiceover isn't perfect. Microsoft isn't perfect. So why 
should Hable be perfect, especially with the small staff they have. So, 
you stick to your preference, and I'll stick to mine.

On 29/02/2024 15:44, Dennis Long wrote:
> Lets see people had issues installing it.AEB braille had issues Things 
> promised and not delivered when it was said would be hear by Hable themselves 
> so put it all together and that is where I am now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Roger 
> Fordham
> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:38 AM
> To: hablecommun...@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
> What is going on?
>
> And You would then be the first to complain that there hadn't been a
> February update at all. Where was it; why hasn't it happened, etc, etc.
> And I didn't see anything particularly bad about the July update either.
>
> On 29/02/2024 15:35, Dennis Long wrote:
>> This is a proven pattern.  From a bad July update and now this no you can 
>> only have so much patience.  You don't put out a update if notes aren't 
>> ready.  You hold back the update until the notes are ready.  If a free 
>> screen reader NVDA can put out proper release notes a $200 product can and 
>> certainly should be expected to do so!!!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Roger 
>> Fordham
>> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:31 AM
>> To: hablecommun...@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
>> What is going on?
>>
>> I absolutely disagree with you Dennis. You are always advising readers
>> to have patience. Where is yours then? The staff will issue notes when
>> they are ready; and because they haven't for one update, why does
>> suddenly this failure make the Bable a terrible product, and according
>> to you nobody should use it any more. Shame on you and your intolerance.
>> You know, and we all know, that the Hable has been of incalculable
>> benefit to thousands of users.
>>
>> On 29/02/2024 14:55, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> This is apparently official with no update notes.  To verify I went to this
>>> link.  It talks about the July update!  I can no longer recommend a Hable
>>> one to anyone.  You don’t respond to requests for what is new!  You don’t
>>> even publish proper release notes!!!  The Hable that caused me to recommend
>>> this product isn’t there  I will encourage anyone that wants a good
>>> Braille keyboard to get an Orbit writer.  This is the Hable update page.
>>> Where does it talk about the February update?
>>> https://www.iamhable.com/support/software-updates
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

RE: looks like today's instacart app update broke editing cart

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Thanks.

 

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Subject: Re: looks like today's instacart app update broke editing cart

 

The first unlabeled button is to add a note to your shopper about that item. 
The second is to remove that item from your cart. 

 

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Hi all:

Just put in an Instacart grocery order. Be aware you cannot change quantity of 
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two unlabeled buttons when your on the product in cart.

Work around is to search for the item again. You will hear 1 item in cart then 
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Re: looks like today's instacart app update broke editing cart

[Arnold Schmidt]

The first unlabeled button is to add a note to your shopper about that item. The second is to remove that item from your cart. Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Mar 4, 2024, at 9:08 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all:Just put in an Instacart grocery order. Be aware you cannot change quantity of items in your cart IE add more. You can remove items from cart. There are also two unlabeled buttons when your on the product in cart.Work around is to search for the item again. You will hear 1 item in cart then you can add more.



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looks like today's instacart app update broke editing cart

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Hi all:

Just put in an Instacart grocery order. Be aware you cannot change quantity
of items in your cart IE add more. You can remove items from cart. There are
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Re: do not update ios facebook app V446.0.0

[Alban Hoxha]

voice over can not read link when navigate on news fid.
how can we report this problem?

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Yeah, I noticed that yesterday evening. Hopefully it gets fixed.
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> If you update to this version:
> - the problem that embedded links are not spoken is NOT solved, Meta is
> reluctant to solve bugs for visually impaired people! Do please do all
> report to facebook.
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> announced again, regressions in accessibility sop lease donot update!
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Re: do not update ios facebook app V446.0.0

[Loreal Lavigna]

Yeah, I noticed that yesterday evening. Hopefully it gets fixed.
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