Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty
May work in the new world of welfare but never in the saloon at Dime Box Texas. The characters that inhabit a Texas beer joint are a microcism of the US Congress. For sure a fight will start as soon as somebody takes a sip outa somebody else's mug.. half full or half empty.. the fight starts... Richard - Original Message - From: David Thomson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty Hi John, The answer is easier obtained by taking two glasses, one full and one empty, and then taking half of each. If a glass is already empty, taking half of it doesn't fill it. It only makes sense to take half of a full glass. Dave -- From: John Berry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty I'm a 'we have the perfect amount of water and just an abundance of glass' person myself. Actually I think the answer to the riddle is simple, were you filling the glass or emptying it? On 3/2/07, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote From what I'm seeing Vo dominated by Glass half empty people? I've always found Glass half full people to have much farther foresight. It's amazing how skeptics and debunkers cannot see the obvious. It's highly unlikely a person will accomplish something they disbelieve. IMHO, it's better to take into consideration the whole truth, warts and all. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.4/705 - Release Date: 2/27/2007 3:24 PM
[Vo]: Re: Re: : Quantum Thermodynamics
Howdy Jones, Depend on Jones Beene to keep me up late reading http://www.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/faraday.pdf Paragraph 3.8.3 regarding vortex... hmmm ! Once saw a vid piece on Finns showing their stoic personalities. The vid captured their actions when dancing.. absolutely no emotion expressed.Must be the long winters. Richard
[Vo]: Re: CHEMTRAILS DOCUMENTARY on Discovery Channel Tonight Feb.22 9:00 PM
Howdy Mark, Interesting your post today coincided with a series of contrails across south central Texas today stretching from Houston to San Antonio. There were impressive in they appeared as a giant tick tack toe checkerboard crisscrossing. the sky as far as could be seen. Wow!. Our esteemed Senator for Texas, Mz Kay Bailey Hutchinson was the prime mover for funding legislation for weather modification studies including cloud seeding. Richard
[VO]: Helium and Hindenburg
BlankHowdy Vorts, Yes, the Hindenburg project suffered from the cutoff of a supply of Helium gas by the US Gov't. Helium is a strategic element. The US privatized the main US source of Helium into the hands of a subsidiary of Bechtol. Considering the importance of Helium to atomic energy and research, it should not come as a surprise that Bechtol is a major player in atomic power plants for electric power generation. Cold Fusion experiments produce Helium. Connect the dots. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Cold Fusion,nuclear fusion, infinite energy, low energy nuclear reactions,lenr,chemically assisted nuclear reactions,canr,neutron emission, fusion reaction,heavy water,Fleischman and Pons, deute
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[Vo]: Re: RT Quantum Hall Effect
Jones wrote, The quantum Hall effect, like the BEC was previously believed to only be observable at temperatures close to absolute zero (minus 459 degreesF). But recently a form of carbon called graphene - in a high magnetic field has made the observation possible. Graphene is the name given to a single layer of carbon atoms densely packed into a benzene-ring structure like nanotubes, etc. (e.g., carbon nanotubes are usually thought of as graphene sheets rolled up into nanometer-sized cylinders). Planar graphene itself was once presumed not to exist in the free state, as it is inherently *highly stressed* due to the packing arrangement. The high field adds extra stress. ... not unlike deuterium, when confined in a metal matrix... Temperature and pressure (internal stress) are somewhat interchangeable. Frank Grimer coined this combined property as compreture. In a situation where internal stress creates effective pressures in the range of 10^6 psi, you can (arguably) have a situation at 300 K (=RT) where the compreture property is effectively the same as an unstressed material near zero K. Howdy Jones, Make that somewhat inter- unreactive and it fits in my head as compreture. Electro-chemistry strident. Richard
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Re: The $25 Million Branson Pr..
BlankHowdy Vorts, Great ideas for bio themes in aerobics but anerobics can also play in the great game. The story behind the Medina culture which is produced by the firm in Medina Texas for a bio-growth enhancer .. seems that back in the 1930's, an ole time railroad brakeman that worked the Texas-Cal rails noticed certain dry ponds in the desert had explosive growth after a rain. Taking a bucket full of muck back home, he produced a culture and the liquified product was sprayed on test field at cotton planting time. Near Pt.Arther Texas, back in the early 1960's, a Chem engineer built a radical new anerobic test digester system which he tested at the local wastewater treatment plant.The solids were dispersed to a drying bed similar to how they operated the aerobic plant. The anerobic solids bed had a much higher plant growth that the aerobic solids. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]:Re: The $25 Million Branson..
BlankHowdy Vorts, Many major resources and plant facilities already exist in the USA.. Coal fired power plants Water filtration plants Wastewater treatment plants A single huge wastewater treatment plant alone is the opposite of an algae factory by design. Change the process and the plant becomes an energy transfer reservoir. The primary purpose of removing solids and disinfecting the water remains. Won't happen.. WHY? Because the mentality must first change and it won't happen in this generation because of the underlying inertia of public leadership and an intrinsic objection to anything other than habit. the internet may force the next generation of politico and municipal servant( bureaucrat) into morphing toward a sense of responsibility to citizens but only by having a free internet. What we should be on guard over is the subtle encroachment of big Guv'mt into the internet under the gusie of protecting the public from the harm. Google video is forcing a response by Gov'mts to act because they are being exposed. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: The $25 Million Branson Climate Prize
BlankFred wrote.. A 100 watt light bulb burns a pound of fossil-fuel carbon every 10 hours generating 44/12 = 3.666 pounds of atmospheric Carbon Dioxide out the power plant chimney. Howdy Fred, The UNIT # 1Fayette Power Plant ( FPP) located near Fayetteville Texas, a coal fired plant owned by civil entities including the city of Austin and Lower Colorado River Authority (LCRA) is one of the dirtiest polluters on the list of the worse in the USA. Yes! It is owned and operated by the state of Texas and Austin. No scrubber. They kept promising to clean it up for years and now the word is they will be shutting it down as soon as they build Two more units Number 4 and 5. Our ranch is under the plume downwind some 9 miles. Over some 50 miles NW is ALCOA Rockdale Works ( a WW2 leftover) that mines lignite to fuel their aluminum plant ( another worse polluter). One of the largest landowners in Texas with some 30-60,000 acres stripped to the bone after 60 years of mining. Alcoa is negociating to shut the whole works down.. provided a little incentive is offered.. like hands free up in Iceland plus lotsa state of Texas and Fed money.. Yum!. Not to worry, the state and Feds are gonna do sum-tin' 'bout dit pollutin' all de nation. People over in Dime Box Texas just smile cuz they don' no nothin 'bout politishuns 'cept they lizes when the truth is in their favor. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: OT:Emergence
BlankHowdy Jones, A soliloquy indeed. One must experience a Jones moment on occasion in order to correctly position one's thinking cap while cogitating one's meditating.grin ( I miss Grimer's posts on Vortex) You can cover more subject matter in a paragragh than my ole Chemistry professor could with chalk in one hand and eraser in the other.( He had a blackboard some 30 feet across.) Time... hmmm !! You dare to introduce time. A simple clock and a yardstick demonstrate what we describe as physical reality. The clock and the yardstick can be used to plot four dimensions. Beyond those four dimensions lies conjecture, imagination, beliefs literally and liberly sprinkled with faith to which we have no way of measuring with the physical tools we have been given. This does not mean they cannot be calculated in the mind provided you use abstract methods. Even in finance we must now rely on abstract differentials ( derivatives) simply because the complexity of the underlying value of what is considered worth. Faith like worth can be assigned an abstract value and used in determining weight. Poets use this system of measurement and interchange the weight to words. Mathematicians use symbols for negatives and abstract values just as Einstein used the C for a fudge factor (which saved his hide in the end). The Spanish language, a romance language with a heavy dab of Moor is an example of interchanging an actual word for an abstraction Querencia is such.. and may be loosely traanslated as Camelot although essence suffers in translation and Camelot loses the depth of the feeling of the word. The word faith transcends any word in expressive depth in the English language.. you said it in you post in another fashion and you are to be commended for the depth of your true understanding of the word. One must climb to the heights of a majestic mountain to fathom your descriptive analogy. Continue with your discourse, it stimulates. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Empathy ( was Re: More about..
BlankHowdy Vorts, Lurking between the thoughts posted on this subject are grains of wisdom. Considering that the word cold fusion can provoke much debate. Some view the word similar to con-fusion and some others il-lusion while others as de-lusion or pro-fusion. The debate can even be a-musing were it not for the seriousness of the need for clean forms of energy. Not being a particle physicist, I study the elements of the words for insight. The elements are faith and hope conjured and mixed with jealously, vanity, lust and greed. Oh! what a witches brew. The good news is that good science will emerge because of the energy expended in both theory and experiment versus controversy and suspicion. To paraphase ole Carysle.. science character is tempered in the fires of adversity where jealousy can succumb to greed and vanity to lust or visa-verse, depending on the quality of the instrument used to probe the depth. Ooops! That thought can take on the sensual however.. the sensual is mostly in the mind as is all true science. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [Vo]: FW: $25 million prize for greenhouse gas removal
FW: $25 million prize for greenhouse gas removal Stiffler wrote... Isn't that a big funny? If life is about to end because of global warming why is removal of Green House Gasses only worth $25Mil, yet a way to produce or filter water is worth $200 Billion? I doubt I would even start for $25 Million when 60% goes to the Feds. When I read who was involved I see why. Howdy Ron, Don't forget Ted Turner. He was in Houston touting the word..Ted has some serious money he could use if it isn't all going to Jane Fonda's alimony fund. Richard
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Global warming skepticism alive..
Jed Rothwell wrote.. but that is a political problem, not scientific. Howdy Jed, A keen insight you have. Things happen in the world that most attribute to conspiracy when they should be blamed on attitude. Given an opportunity, laws of human nature demand actions be met with inaction of leadership. Machavelli wrote the book on actions and resultants. There is actually a relationship between how you described FP reactions and the border agents articles in the below link. It's total absolute incompetence of our government at nearly every level, Homeland Defense ( FEMA) being the prime example. The simple fact is that leaders in government are incapable of planning anything that would work.. good or bad. Whatever happens.. simple happens and all the machinery is designed for is to cover tracks. One of the largest jobs categories is become.. spokesperson Richard http://worldnetdaily.com/
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Fw:{Bob Parks...Feb.2
BlankDavid Thompson wrote.. there is no mention of the impending slaughter of humans. Just 11,500 years ago a seemingly natural climate change occurred, which wiped out the Wooly Mammoths, Saber Toothed Tigers, Giant Ground Sloths, Giant Beavers, and dozens of other species. Howdy Vorts.. Nope, they ain't all missing. Some are holed up over near Dime Box Texas and come to the dance every Friday. Dancing with a gal like a Wooly Mammoth or a Giant Beaver can be frightening. Solar warming is caused by an increase in our sun spot activity. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: MIT Professor Begins Hunger Srike
BlankSteve Krivit wrote.. It's not so much that the mind is shut. It's a process of belief systems and the influence of mass media. Howdy Steven, You have the fundamentals .. but ..CF lacks the charismatic person that can sell it. Until that person emerges, it slumbers. An example is Henry Ford. Pure energy, design and build thinking combined with marketeering genius. Right place at the right time in history. Everybody thinks they can do it given the opportunity.. but.. only a few have what it takes.. just a few.. there never has been but a few. If that person emerges on the CF scene we will see CF move forward. If not It is the person, not the science that is holding things up. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50
Blankjohn herman wrote.. General post: Open question set: NB: This is intended to address real world science. NOT theory. Please defive term[s] and or experiment[s] which support answer. This is an attempt to guide vortex back toward science, as opposed to armchair thinking and the like. Howdy john, True science has a heavy armchair component and is heavy on theory. Our company has an active research budget that has resulted in much failure but .. occasionally.. even a blind hog can root up an acorn.. Not being a nuclear physicist, I must depend on filtering thoughts that eminate from the various posts submitted in this unique group Vortex-L. Surprisingly, it has been the armchair thinkers here that have provided me the most thoughtful stimulation. I must translate what I read here into some mechanical component because that is what we build.. mechanical products like vacuum induction feeder mixers and controls for industry. For example, a single seemingly laughable comment I read provoked a thought that resulted in solving a most sophisicated technical design problem. It regarded the design of an extreme wide range precision flow control valve with a range from 100 gpm down to zero with a turn down ratio of 150:1. The problem was solved by thinking about a comment made in Vortex. That comment prompted us to realize that industry had no flow meter capable of measuring such a turn down ratio. Shazzaam ! We designed a precision control valve that is linear with flow.. so we could use it also as a measure of flow as well as control. grin So keep those armchair comments a part of the group.. Never know when a simpleton for Dime Box Texas knows how to read. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: IPE
Blank Jones wrote.. However, to the extent that when carefully controlled, the IPE methodology permits a new type of nuclear meta-phenomenon to appear and self-perpetuate - a limited *photon chain reaction* - that much is the key jumping-off point for possible understanding of some reported energy anomalies, and possibly those involving barium, which has an isomer with that required highly deformed nucleus. Barium IPE - would have three possible advantage for LENR applications over hafnium IGE or cold fusion - if anecdote can be believed - in that the nuclear isomer in question can be regenerated through a pretreatment regime (conditioning) which itself becomes the key issue in the ability to use it - as the half-life of the isomer is minuscule. Secondly the energy available is about 10,000 times greater per unit weight than combustion, so even a fractional percent of active material is important. And thirdly, since barium ferrites are usable as a magnetic core material, any IPE which occurs will in effect change the inductive properties of the magnetized core itself so that direct conversion into electricity of that energy is possible at high efficiency. Howdy Jones , Interesting stuff ! Ah Ha ! Barium.. I mentioned a Barite mine in Arkansas located near the town of Magnet Cove. The name suggests folks were aware of the anomalies of tha area. There were a few rather unexplained happenings that led to the name Magnet Cove..hmmm. Anyway, the Magnet Cove Barium Corp was formed to mine Barite which makes an ideal drilling mud. Hence the name MagCoBar Corp. Which for the benefit of Robin I will explain , sold out later to Baroid Corp, a division of the National Lead Company.. hmmm .. again interestging marriage.. and finally Baroid was gobbled by the Halliburton Corp. The use of Barite in drilling mud ( fluids) continues but substitutes are now coming on because of price. Must be a huge deposit of Barite in Arkansas. waste drilling mud is sold and sprayed into ranch water ponds ( stock tanks) to make them leak tite. Good informative post with your usual speculative insight in LENR. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [VO]: Resonant Field Line Oscillations 1.6Mhz
Blank Some experiments with frequency http://www.blazelabs.com/e-exp16.asp Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [VO]: Resonant Field Line Oscillations 1.6Mhz
BlankR.Stiffler wrote.. Hello R.C. This fellow does some great work in component construction, one of our weak area's, (machine shop no we don't have). I spend some time looking over Tesla and the big difference in what I am doing is the secondary is floating, one lead of the secondary is open. No a good population of EE's will say this is totally a coupling via capacity and I will fight to the hill that they are wrong. It seems what we can read about Tesla has been sanitized to some extent. (May be wrong) here, but with all he did he should have seen that there is such a thing as 'To coin a phrase' and Jones will like this one, Open System Wattful Potential, Duh! Well I think he did and someplace it got lost. So is the BlazeLabs in Texas? Looked a short time on the site and could not get an address, did not research the URL owner. Howdy Ron, Must be a part of the John Hutchison effect.. I think he is in Canada somewhere. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Barium
BlankHowdy Jones, A neat homily on Barium, another of the quirky elements. It nearly bumps into Lithium on the road to being an oddity. The oil industry uses Barite as a drilling fluid since it has an ideal downhole weight. Arkansas has Barite mines ( Magnet Cove).. hence the name MagCobar, later Bariod owned and now Halliburton owned. I have oftem wondered why Barium has never been used in certain lubricating systems. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Barium
BlankRobin wrote.. In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:30:50 -0600: Hi Richard, [snip] I don't suppose there is any way you could avoid attaching a blank card to your emauls (accidental spelling error deliberately left in;) is there? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk Howdy Robin, ??? to your question.. don't understand but.. I live near Dime Box Texas and that should say it all. 'Puters are not allowed in the saloon so I have so sneak over to Muldoon if'n I want to larn som'thin.. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re: Waveform Circuit Cries Foul
R Stiffler wrote.. Okay already, for the people that are giving me the bad name (again), here is a wave form. Now I have labeled certain points, the rest is up to you that can tell, where it is taking place, (not why, but where). www.stifflerscientific.com/images/avtrig4.j Howdy Ron, Madame Curie' avoided many on the problems associated with the internet by having a closed society lab in France. The good part was they could work singularily on a project. The bad part was they were isolated and developed tunnel vision and a siege mentality. Ah! the benefits of the internet in the science world.. a good mix of both science and crazies. Read between the lines.. Jones is encouraging you..let it stimulate that good mind of yours. Richard
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Energy *Violations* using standard physics
Blank Excerps from Paul's post.. You are asking way too much from nature. Nature?.. do you mean Physics? we actually know little about physics.. perhaps some assumed values is all. My theory simply states energy is simply moved from one location to another. Location? do you mean Regimes? unless we know the origin, it becomes impossible to track it's movement from regime to regime. The account of Moses coming down off the mountain ... he said.. my prayer is that I would know God... Moses spent 40 days up on the mountain in conversation and instruction from God.. and he discovered he was almost vacant as to an understanding. I have my physics textbook from engineering school printed 1940's. It is as reliable as any present day literate work. What we may be seeing in this next generation of emerging scholars could be similar to the breakout of technology at Florence Italy in the 1500's. Consider that the people that burned their draft cards in the 60's are now in charge in Washington. Ask yourself what happened to those that entered academia rather than politics? Did they hinder the advance of science? How could a single generation put a man on the moon and the next generation query what is is while driving Enron into the ground like a tent stake and getting the nation into another by jingo war? Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re: Re: Einstein's Elevator Le Sage's Gravity Theory
Fred wrote.. Will a sphere within a sphere (a ball-bearing in a transparent hollow sphere) due to the gravitational attraction between them, center itself during free fall ? The inner ball should began to rotate until it begins to rub the inner wall. Richard
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Vo Counter-Spin?
BlankHowdy Jones,, An elegant waxing of wordsmithing. Yes , there is an interesting counter spin ( reverse rotation) that occurs in a water vortex.. hmmm.. actually , an induced counterflow... double hmmm!!. We have yet to understand it much less describe it. Ask yourself the question...a flow is produced evidenced by water draining from a sink by forming a vortex.. cover the top of the vortex ( top cone shaped opening) and the flow almost stops. How can downward flow to drain increase by vortex action while an upward flow occurs when the vortex reforms. It is almost like the vortex requires lubrication from the reverse vortex flow in order to accelerate.. Our tests continue to produce more questions than answers but we are studying methods of determining velocity in each regime. Sometimes we think we are dealing with something out of the Twilight Zone when observing this reverse vortex. We have produced a beautiful shaped reverse vortex that can be seen using a Q beam lamp. Some report that this reverse vortex can produce light in the UV and perhaps the gamma range but we have not been able to detect anything visible or by a Radmeter. Starting the fab work on the test with the 200 ea, magnets ( 3/4 neodym) next. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]:Re: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol..
BlankPhilip wrote.. Excellent!!! How true!!! The reason is that the intent in all cases is to indoctrinate along certain predictable lines thus creating a nice docile herd. It's not to create clear, creative thinking - usually through doubting accepted dogma then applying lateral thinking and ultimately applying solid investigation. Call me a cynic... Howdy Philip, Old story from the bibleAnd the people cried, we want a king. Samuel explained.. you have a King !. The people cried, no, we want a king like everybody else. Samuel explained.. If you elect a king, he will make your daughters servants, conscript your sons into an army and take your best land. What this means is that if you pay somebody to do your worrying for you.. it is only a small step to where they start doing your thinking for you.. when this happens.. they wind up owning you. Most issues can be simply resolved by identifying the troublemakers.. handcuff one of their hands to the other guy's hand .. give them both a sharp machete... take them outside the Dime Box Tavern.. and let them work it out between themselves. Sure saves on broken glass and mirrors. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Not just for tree-huggers any more?
BlankJones wrote.. NASA apparently recruits smart folks, right? The $64 question is: Why would they imagine that this is limited to, or even more appropriate, for aircraft? Howdy Jones, Halophyte production is beginning to make sense. Combined with developments in extremely fast growth algea production, we may have a serious source of raw materials for bio-fuels. Well... err.. maybe if NASA don't take over. There is some serious private capital plus money coming from the State of Texas for push behind algea and Halophyte production plus a number of small startup diesel biofuel plants. One of the concerns along the Texas coast is the huge fresh water acquifers are being pumped at a rate that salt water intrusion is beginning migrate underground from the shoreline. A salt loving crop would help. Jose' Cuervo bio-diesel... get more stroke outa ya piston. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: time distortion fields
BlankHarvey wrote.. Likewise the same twilight zone episodes can happen when we deal with resonant voltage rises in time: compare the time periods where they came from relative to each other as occurs in 120 three phase production of electrical impulses, and the results that can be seen when those impulses are used to create resonant voltage rises individually, and the end comparing of those resonant voltage rises against each other/ What the time laws say is that time must be shared equally and divided. And that in this division the circle of time will always add to 360 degrees when divided three ways. But the second factor of voltage amplification present in resonant voltage rise shows that in mutual inductance of resonant elements, the measured differnce between each of these voltage rises in time with measurement to the other shows a circle well expnaded to some 400 degrees, when a circle is only possible with 360. 13 meters were used to show that effect, and I am glad to have pointed it out. Howdy Hardy, Watching the LCD screen of a Fluke Inc. test meter measuring 3 phase power and voltage under various loads gives visible evidence. Perhaps that is why they call it a fluke. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: evert fluid tech Clem motor
Evert's updated pages show some Clem overunity motor info http://www.evert.de/eft609e.htm Richard
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: FRE
BlankPaul wrote.. My point was that present rise in temperatures will be a drop in the bucket with global free energy unless we develop FRE (Free Recyclable Energy) machines. IMHO the idea of personal and portable ZPE, cold fusion, etc. devices is suicidal. Howdy Paul, Not to worry, hide and watch the scene unfold. Imagine a gravy train with biscuit wheels( the world economy).. The train doesn't fly off the track on a tight curve, It doens't crash into another train, it doesn't collapse a bridge The biscuit wheels get soggy from the gravy and slowly sinks into the track and rolls over on it's side. No noise, no shouting, just a few watching with awe.. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: Hydro Hub
BlankInteresting comparison between R-O and MSF Triple flash distillation methods of desal. Thankfully, we have both processes. Each process has it's benefits and advantages. Our tiny manufacturing company struggles with research in methods of reducing the mineral content of brackish and seawater prior to entering the pre-filters of the R-O membrane trains. One of the functions of a water vortex is it's ability to create a vacuum when the spin is induced by mechanical means. We have closely studied the MSF processes and the comparative efficencies vs R-O, in particular , the temperature differentials between the flash stages. One of our test setups include a two stage Lazell Flow Nozzle ( expander rather than a throat venturi effect). The purpose is to determine if we can get the flash without the added cost of heating. Hmmm.. a sort of a hybrid MSF- RO.. (sounds like the lyrics to RAP music. grin) Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Hydro Hub
BlankRobin wrote.. What do you think of this:- http://www.aquasonics.com/tech.html ? http://www.h2ovap.com/annual-report.php?atnavid=2 http://ezekielproject.org/desalinate.shtml Howdy Robin, Depends on what will happen now.. lloks ike Aquasonics was acquired by h2ovap. Notice Ezekiel project mentions an Australian project.. how is it going ? The problem with this process appears to be the same problem at Carslbad Caverns.. scraping carbonates off the walls takes all the fun out of work. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re: China Coal
Terry wrote, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2524271_1,00.html China chokes on a coal-fired boom Michael Sheridan Toxic cloud of progress can be seen from space A GREAT coal rush is under way across China on a scale not seen anywhere since the 19th century. Its consequences have been detected half a world away in toxic clouds so big that they can seen from space, drifting across the Pacific to California laden with microscopic particles of chemicals that cause cancer and diseases of the heart and lung. Nonetheless, the Chinese plan to build no fewer than 500 new coal-fired power stations, adding to some 2,000, most of them unmodernised, that spew smoke, carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere. Howdy Terry, They must have energy so they use coal. China is obviously aware of the havoc the use of coal will wreak on their long term plans. Consider they are painfully aware of the need for clean cheap energy,, Taken another step, it is conceivable they are feverishly searching for such a source. Taken another step, it is conceivable they have searched the world's data bases on new energy research and know about research in Cold Fusion and have known since 1990's. It would not be hard to take the next step and consider they are researching this field now and are ahead of the rest of the world. Why so, you say?? A little tidbit of info.. the Hydro Hub of Singapore.. a consortium of National University of Singapore ( NUS) and some of the leading world corporations like GE Water and Siemens Water. Why would firms like these be investing in research in water on such a large and integrated scale ( co-operative ventures) ? Because they are aware and know something. What do they know? I suggest they know of some technology being advanced. Some connection between new energy forms that have application in water treating. Our tiny company in Texas is researching a miniscule segment of this new water technology. We ship product into the Pacific Rim and receive enough feed back to sense a dynamic emerging out of HydroHub. What nation has the must urgent need of a new form of energy? China of course. They have discovered something and this discovery has application in other fields of science. Taking a huge step .. pure conjecture would suggest the names of the players.. GE and Siemens.. are sufficent to think it fits. These two players in the great game are not kids nor fools. They don't invest 1/2 bil bucks in HydroHub Singapore unless they already have their money back with interest. Who in the world is GE anyway??? Well !! think GE Capital Corp and let that steep awhile.. think Bank of New York and Mellon Bank recent joining at the hip to manage some 22 TRILLION in assets worldwide. Think WalMart and Home Depot, the nations largest retailers. Think Boeing and Siemens.. How do they all fit together.. They are the great game.. not just one of the players. Meanwhile back at the ranch, we are looking, wondering when the science of Cold Fusion will finally become mainstream. Answer, it took about 30 seconds after FP announced their research in the 1990's for the players in the great game to understand. These people are tough.. they stay on top.. strong take it away from the weak, the smart takes it away from the strong, the bank holds the money for the smart. One of the smartest moves in the past 10 years is China forced the brits let them into Hong Kong banks. Nope, they ain't fools. China now controls the world's money management system. Richard
[Vo]: Richard's Rube Goldberg's
BlankRobin wrote.. We will be testing a series of throats with the hope we may achieve some acceleration of the vortex funnel.. hmmm.. fun stuff. [snip] Isn't this going to result in explosive decompression of the water in the vortex making it vaporize? (Just a vague memory). Howdy Robin, You sure are an observant cuss from down under. grin. Visualize the test setup. A housing ( 4 clear PVC pipe section) surrounding the water vortex with an eyewall center of approx 3/4 dia. The pipe section is actually a series of flanged segments ( interchangeable) that allows us to insert various segments for combinations of tests.An example of a segment may have embedded 1'/2 dia neodym magnets ( 200ea) flush with ID and positioned in a series of circular spirals. Another segment has a double spiral cone shaped springs ( one Iron, one aluminun) for connecting to a 48 VDC power to provide a voltage curtain.Another segment has a electro mag( stator) Other segments have the venturi throats and expanders( Lazell type). The drive unit is a 25 HP motor 3450RPM connected to 1: 3 sheave setup belt drive. Using a VFD drive we can vary the speed from zero to 10,500 rpm. We should be able to accelerate without separating the column ( vertical vortex) but another test will be to determine what happens if a separation occurs. May produce pulsation if we can get the Lazell expander to co-operate plus the rotating distributor can be configured with sufficent cavities( perhaps 9 to 11) that can produce harmonics assisting a pulsation. Overall, the purpose behind the never ending tests is to cause molecular changes to take place in the mineral content of seawater sufficent to allow a reduction in mineral content of the water prior to entering the reverse osmosis train prefilters with the added benefit of changing the salt to a form of marble suitable for disposal. Heck, why dream of little things.. make it the moon! Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: Upside down
Blank Jones wrote.. Therefore this cannot be correct, can it? ... since the electron has substantial mass; not only is pushing that much mass to lightspeed, or even close ... totally out of the question, since the electron would then have more mass-energy equivalent then the nucleus itself - but where would the energy required to do this - be coming from? Robin posted an interesting thought From the rest mass lost by proton and electron during shrinkage. Since the electron is continually losing rest mass, while it gains kinetic energy, there comes a point where the next level is unattainable. According to the first graph on my web page (http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/New-hydrogen.html) this occurs about q=124 (p=124 to use Mills quantum numbers). However the exact level is irrelevant, for home grown Hydrinos, because fusion would occur long before then. Howdy Vorts, Robin's math demonstrates my thoughts that science lacks the mathematics to take fusion to the next level. Pure conjecture on my part that... magnetics are poorly understood and the pivital role played by magnetics in balancing Robin's equation cannot be fully stated as confirmed by Robins math. One of the design tasks we envision in our water vortex apparatus is make a series of throats similar to the old Gibson formula for venturis that would both accelerate and expand the fluid flow. Stacking the vortex may produce the same result as pulsation and /or lend support to Robin's thoughts. An alternate thought we have is to use expanders similar to the Lazell flow nozzle that produces the opposite effectas the Gibson throat. Since nuclear physics is not our forte, we must rely on fluid hydraulics to achieve what little progress we make in water treatment. Imagine an acceleration of fluid flow beyond so called terminal velocity of water. This may be possible using a combination of socalled ejector throats. If these velocities can be achieved, do they have an application for study of light or heavy H ? hmmm. The vortex group offers us a constant stimulation of thought. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [Vo]: Re:[VO]: Inertia,Aspden Angular Mo
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:00:35 -0600: Hi, [snip] Interesting question. Consider the thermal updrafts that occur during huge forest fires. I have noticed TV news live vid of vertical vortex forming that eyeball measure some 5000 ft high. In an instant of 1 to 3 seconds , a fire cone accelerates up the vortex. I have noticed this in several vids of forest fires in extreme mountanous terrain. Calculating the eyeball height of the cone and the time duration makes the fire travel some 2500- 5000 feet per second Naw !, It can't be... Something is taking place I don't understand. [snip] Footage I have seen of forest fires on TV has never shown a flame more than twice the height of the trees. 2500-5000 feet is up in the clouds. Can you find an instance of the coverage that you refer to on the web? Howdy Robin, I have seen this event twice. Once the past year during a Colorado forest fire.. I can't find it but it was the one the lady forest ranger set. I calculated the height of the adjacent mountain terrain. The fire on the side down between the rugged slopes had to be between 2500 to 5000 feet change below the peaks. A funnel type vortex would form and the flame would shoot straight up above the peaks.. weird to witness... the thing that caught my attention was the velocity of the vertical flame inside the vortex. The flame would suddenly shoot up inside the vortex in 1-3 seconds. wow Since that time I have asked if anyone fighting a fire of this type had ever witnessed an event of this type.. One mentioned they have seen such and it was accompanied by a whirling noise like a banshee. so much for things that go bump in the night. It gave us the idea for trying to achieve acceleration of a vortex. Some time back a guy bamed Bull invented a horwitzer that could shoot 250 or more miles. He used a series of ejector throats feeding into the next series of ejector throats. The gun barrel was some 150 feet long.. One was found in Iraq during the Gulf War. Iraq was planning to shell Isreal by lobbing a projectile into the near space.Try to imagine the muzzle velocity. We will be testing a series of throats with the hope we may achieve some acceleration of the vortex funnel.. hmmm.. fun stuff. Richard.
[VO]: The holiday season
BlankHowdy Vorts, As we enter the holiday season, may all have a safe and joyful celebration of Christmas. May the new year bring peace on earth and goodwill toward man. I commend each of you for keeping the Vorts a respectful group and interesting place to share ideas. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: Firing Circuits
BlankHowdy Terry, The theme for using a spark plug firing at frequency speeds approaching the resonant frequency of water is to an attempt to combine two functions. One is to apply an electric current path surrounding the water vortex and also interrupt the current path so as to replicate a ultrasonic transducer and frequency generator.. a model A spark coil and a boom box effect with adjustable frequency. Hopefully achieve an electronic tuning fork that causes a resonance in the vortex.. hmmm! Add to that little tidbit ... a series of Neodym magnets in a spiral array fixed in a section of pipe ahead or behind the pipe section housing the spiral spring electrodes and we may generate some O3 or O isotopes.. Not to worry, we have an ole man lives in Dime Box Texas that drinks a gallon of peach squeezing every day and he can hear the steam locomotive whistle a mile away even though the train hasn't run in a hundred years. Now that is resonance. Off track. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: Firing Circuits
BlankRobin wrote.. You may not need such a heavy duty spark generator. Instead of trying to generate sparks at the requisite frequency, whatever you think it is, why not just adjust the resonance of the tank circuit to match it instead? IOW, let each spark generate lots of high frequency oscillations? Just as in old spark gap radio transmitters. Howdy Robin, Thanks for the thought. Please expand on it. You have a picture in your mind I am not seeing clearly but it is a very important idea that I must consider. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re:Measuring Precession
BlankJohn Berry wrote.. Some type of processional force is claimed by the Steven's device. Can anyone suggest a great way to detect even very small processional forces? Howdy John, Dr.R.Stiffler posts on this group. You may ask him. He has been doing some interesting work in this area using magnetics. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]: Firing Circuits
BlankHowdy Vorts, Been in discussion with some making suggestions for our next series of experiments for water vortex studies. One suggestion was to use the discharge of a high voltage Tesla coil and fire that voltage across spiral wound springs ( 1/2 gap), one of iron and one of aluminum ( a sparkplug if you may). The springs would be mounted inside a clear PVC 4 pipe shrouding the water vortex and the spiral springs configured to approach the shape of the water vortex upward flow. The idea would be to increase the frequency of bursts to the resonant frequency of water. If this would be possible it may supplant the need for an ultrasonic horn configuration and transponder. Hmmm.. Electronic wizards??? can an electronic firing circuit be made that is capable of this number of bursts? My ole model A spark coil, condensor and points don't seem vigorous enough. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: Neglected Power Law
BlankHowdy Jones, Interesting series of posts regarding a diesel-turbine-hybrid unit. We have been studying a work of Schauberger, a design he proposed for a implosion type compressor. Our interest is in using it for vacuum induction against pressure above 30 PSI, hopefully up to 150 PSI. Yuor idea of using a Roots style blower fits. Even more interesting would be an implosion type blower if anyone makes a version of the Schauberger design. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]: OT: Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941
BlankHowdy Vorts, Visited funeral home tonight pay respects to old friend served with in the US Navy WW2 I thought about Iraq and the pending commission study report to Bush. My thoughts are our leaders should never pull a gun on a man they don't intend to kill. All it gets is a lotta good men killed for nothing. Capt.David Fraser of Houston. West Point Grad, US Army ranger, special forces.. killed in Iraq Nov. 26, 2006. 25 years old. Soldier, warrior, brother, friend..He was a warrior and our leaders were using him as a policeman in a war. What a waste. To everyone that ever served his nation honorably, comrade and foe, I salute you. Few leaders in the world deserve your service and the sacrifice made by those that have fallen in battle. I still get tears when I see our flag and remember what it stand for and who it stands for. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: Another energy machine story
Blank Thomas wrote.. Phil contends that if we had spent the same money on energy development, we'd have energy independence. I think that if the Powers That Be wanted us to have energy independence we'd be energy independent. Howdy Thomas, One must understand there has been an irrevocable change since WW2. Now the focus is on melding and merging the world populace in phases. We are somewhere between the 1st and 2nd phase which can be described as socio market spheres like UCM and NAFTA. Energy is one of the major components for the success of this planning. It is being used both as a triggering mechanism and a lure. Forget the wealth gained by the few from petro sales. Like the stock market, it is being allowed because it serves the purpose. You may consider the swinging di*ks (SD's) of Wall Street and big petro as expendable. Keep your eyes on Putin. Watch his tactics. Notice he permitted a few Oligs to gain much before he had them jailed. The US can be energy independent when you think about it. All that's necessary is to convert from autos getting 20 mpg to 100 mpg and turn off all the lights at night. Ask yourself what is preventing this and why an energy policy has not been made. It's because it does not serve the interests of the players in the great game. The SD's like Buffett may appear as guiding the economy but the real power lies in the hands of the people guiding the bureaucracy inside the beltway. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: [VO]
BlankJones wrote.. Looks like the Vo-server was down yesterday, as two-day old messages appeared this morning and at least one post which needed correction is still apparently lost in cyberspace... One always suspects some kind of high-level tampering when this happens ... not that anyone with good sense would pay serious attention to this forum, but still... it makes one revert to using abbreviations. I suspect that neutron is some kind of flag for the snoops, and very few of our Corporals stationed in the German-message-screening-brigade have good sense but ... anyway Howdy Jones, Internet problems.. not just the vortex group , but a host of hosts.. went down.. ghostly hosts. I used to think it was a huge conspiracy until I considered the reality of human nature.. Now I am convinced it is a matter of the blind leading the blind. Liked you info on H2O2 and ozone.. we have a dickens of a time trying to get ozone gas to mix in water.. the hard headed stuff just wants to off-gas. However, if there are people in Dime Box Texas that know how to mix gunpowder with whiskey , we shouldn't fret about it. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [VO]:Re: Another energy machine story
Robin wrote.. In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:06:58 -0600: Hi Richard, [snip] One must understand there has been an irrevocable change since WW2. Now the focus is on melding and merging the world populace in phases. We are somewhere between the 1st and 2nd phase which can be described as socio market spheres like UCM and NAFTA. Energy is one of the major components for the success of this planning. It is being used both as a triggering mechanism and a lure. [snip] It appears you have been reading the Club of Rome report. :) Regards Howdy Robin, No need to read the Club of Rome report in depth, only follow the financial news such as.. The Bank of New York ( formed by Alexander Hamilton back in the 1780's) and Mellon Bank ( 1880's CarnegieMellon) announced they merged to form NYB-Mellon. Not much news there until you study their asset base... now the largest on earth... 22 TRILLION bucks. Stop and think a minute and consider that WalMart, Microsoft and GE couldn't manage their business without a resource like NYB-Mellon to handle the amount of cash that flows across the desk every day. Actually, the Chinese have to rely on them for advice because the mind boggling amount of business that China generates acroos the globe on a daily basis. It takes knowhow that few organizations possess on this magnitude. Ask yourself how an organization can manage that huge amount of resources and assets without having a game plan... Which means the Club of Rome is only a component of so huge a business. Conspiracy theorists are rampant.. but the real power controls conspiracies, they don' let conspiracies control them. Richard
[VO]:Re: Interesting News About Steorn
BlankJones wrote.. On one lower level there is the well-known prhenomenon of magentic precession of domains in a permanent magnet (PM), no? Precession involves angular momentum, no? Angular momentum can be transfered, no? If a PM is capable, at the domain level, of transfering some of its precessional angular momentum away from its aligned and synchronous domains- then that would necessarily be a conservative situation... and the magnet would/should become demagnetized... unless ?? Unless something (some quantum force or effect) akin to the Casimir force was capable of applying an effectvie pressure, at the domain level, so that the angular momentum of the PM - which had been lessened by a small amount in the transfer of energy [to either a valence electron or another unrelated domain] was immediately recouped (or regauged as Bearden likes to miss-state). Howdy Jones, Been thinking about how to fit a section of 4 inch clear PVC pipe into the test rig we are designing . The pipe will encase the eyewall type vortex .. approx 3 ft in vertical length. In this section we plan to flange in various pipe segments for experiments. One will be a section of magnets. The idea is to use neodym 1/2'dia x 1/4 and imbed them flush with the inside dia of the pipe. Then came and idea to fix the magnets into the pipe in an upward spiral that matches the normal vortex upward spiral . Also add some removable s shapedclips inside the pipe would enchance the vortex possibly. The question arose about adding a section of pipe for a ultrasonic horn segment .. above or below the magnet section.. We decided since the pipe segments are modular, they can be installed either way to determine results. Had another e-mail suggesting we design a segment with copper rings and add a tesla coil setup firing circuit into the water vortex... sounds kinda wild but we will add it if anyone has any experience in electro- water setups of this type. Weare also studying how to install a UV lamp inside the pipe to interact with the vortex. Als planning to arrange the 4 inch vertical pipe so an external pipe shroud can be installed and sealed with another liquid. This experiment could be used to determine if there is a temperature differential result from the formation of the vortex in the inner pipe filled with water.. Fun stuff.. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re: does centripetal vortex create a free electron in vortexed water?
Esa Ruoho wrote.. hello, does anyone have any data as to how vortexing could create a free electron (or, free up an electron) in the molecular structure of water? came across this quote (first was speaking with an old man about water's energy levels and he asked if my vortexeralso frees up an electron in the water) The great scientist Viktor Schauberger was the first to demonstrate what happens to water when we pump it through pipes under pressure. Coming out of the ground, Schauberger said, water is living. It contains an extra electron in the outer ring, and it is the vortex of naturally moving water that creates this structure. But when pushed through a pipe, although it wants to move in a vortex (as we can easily demonstrate for ourselves), water is forced into a circular motion, and this circular movement strips the outer electrons off the water molecule, creating what's called unstructured water. It's still hydrogen and oxygen, but it lacks a specific electrical charge. this from http://netmar.com/~maat/archive/dec3/editor.htm but honestly.. anyone have any more leads. Howdy Esa, Best evidence is that a vortex has an internal reverse flow as you can see by viewing water flow down a drain. Richard
[VO]:OT: Mega-tsunamis are more common..
BlankHarry Veeder wrote, Prof Bryant used satellite images from Google Earth to identify inland dunes in the shape of arrowheads that he says are signs of mega-tsunamis Howdy Harry, Good example would be the dunes down on the King Ranch in deep south Texas. They can be observed both sides of US 77 below Kingsville. Something bigger than a hurricane caused them. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: RCM Vortex Machine
BlankJones wrote.. Is you main focus here to use the device for water purification - only, or are you looking towards possible energy applications? ... or are you just going to stir it all up, so to speak, and see what comes out? which G come to think of it, is how 'Mother Nature' often operates (biomimicry). Howdy Jones, The original unit demonstrated the ability to form a near perfect eyewall type vortex. This eyewall is intriguing enough for us to want to pursue some interesting as well as far out suggestions for tests including yours regarding microwave into the center of the eye. Still trying to figure out how to rig a test for this. Could an external magnetron connected to a submerged wifi antenna work under water ? The object is to attempt to shake, rattle or roll minerals out of brackist and seawater prior to filtering upstream of the reverse osmosis membrane batteries. We can aereate some out via oxidation but overwhelming in scope. Some input states a combo of events may allow a 'disconnect of mineral from water sufficent to separate. Shucks, if my ole great grandad could make the best corn squeezins in Crockett county, we should be able to separate minerals from water. Course the revenuers got him in the end but his reputation remained intact, it was only his neck they stretched. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: BioMimicry, the old way
BlankJones wrote.. Real science based on 'taking a risk' with some degree of educated-speculation, instead of real-fluff based on total mainstream obeisance. Consequently, we need to add another layer of complication. See ... until fairly recently ... we were totally unaware of this snow-ball earth situation and like most new findings - it raised more problems than it solved. But oxygen somehow appeared anyway, from putative snowball-earth, as it melted. How did this transpire and how did organisms evolve oxygen tolerance? Short answer: HOOH. Howdy Jones, Where would we be without a after thankgiving portion of delicious grits as served by the Jones???Obeisance is right out of his vocabulary grin. My ole pal, the geologist and I could never agree on anything including the earth was round or flat. I considered the premise the earth was once completely sheathed in an ice cover so massive that the pressure increased the heat of the core. Why so? Assuming it is now in a near fluid state... would it have to been rather non-elastic in order for the mass to form the ball ?? Hmmm. Are earthquakes recent events in time and are they evidence of this massive release of weight represented by melting of the ice sheath? Mix hydrogen peroxide and oxone... what is the reaction from these two oxidants? Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: Hidden wealth
Blank Jones wrote.. As for the coming decade [and stranger than fiction forms of wealth], take the national helium repository for instance - close by a certain ranch in Crawford TX. This one is not yet fictionalized. It was recently, very quietly, shuttled into private hands from DoE, in what is clearly political manipulation. There could be a trillion dollars worth of 3He hidden in there - but no one is talking. And few except at the highest levels would know for sure if a breakthrough in 3He fusion has taken place in a so-called black project. Still black-gold, eh? Howdy Jones, My! what big eyes you got grandma. Private hands indeed!... spell that Bechtol Corporation, George Shultz, the cowardly lion lookalike. Who is Bechtol ? The leading US nuke plant contractor, the 2nd in command ( still carrying Brown and Root's water) in Iraq et al. Enter the committee lead by Jim Baker ( another good ole Texas boy) serving to figure out how to right wrongs brought about by a totally disaster called the W factor. No place but Texas. Helium... ah ha ! Did you say Algeria? hmmm... French-Italian nuke interests ? Tell us why Helium and Nuclear power fit hand in glove.. an indispensible element. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[VO]:Re: Magnetic effect on water
BlankMichael Foster wrote.. Somewhere on Bill's endlessly large website is an experiment showing that exposure to a magnetic field increases the viscosity of water. This is such an easy thing to test that I tried it. It really works. At first I thought that this is mysterious and inexplicable. Then it occurred to me that since water molecules are electric dipoles, they would be subject to the Lenz effect when in a magnetic field, i.e., they would resist a change in orientation. Since the normal random thermal motion of the molecules would be more or less restricted, depending on the strength of the magnetic field, the rise in temperature of the water to ambient would be suppressed. This might also explain the precipitate. The normal Brownian motion caused by thermal agitation would also be suppressed, resulting in the water's inability to keep small paricles in suspension. The water would have to have some fine particulate impurity in the first place for this to happen. And here's some speculation: Suppose you place a beaker full of water inside a larger container with a non-polar liquid. Expose these to a strong magnetic field. Would the water become colder and the non-polar liquid hotter? Anti-entropic? Naaah. Howdy Michael, We were able to drop out some white powder precipitate one a single occasion some time back.We had forgotten to turn off the test unit over the lunch hour. Never able to reproduce the event in our steel test tank. The municipal source of our water supply could have had been hypo-chlorinated that day... or some chemical agent to reduce manganese.. or visa-verse. Using a plexiglas tank with aluminum frame and municipal chlorinated water would occasionally produce the precipitate and severely oxidize the aluminum. You idea of using a non-polar liquid is intriguing. Glad we have been giving the next test rig modular design theme some time for input like your speculation. If you would like to see a pic of the present setup I can send you a pdf. Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: Re: Magnetic effect on water
Dr. Stiffler wrote, I have a question for the group and will follow up with additional coverage of the research that brings questions like these to the forefront. Assume (2) 150mL Pyrex lab beakers filled with distilled, de-ionized water. Seal both tops of the beakers with Al foil to reduce evaporation. Place one beaker in the center of a ring magnet (we used ones taken from audio woofers), the rating of which is not relevant at this point. Place the second beaker at least a meter from the beaker and the ring magnet. Now let both sit undisturbed for 24 hours. Repeatedly here is what I have found. The beaker within the center of the ring magnet, does not reach equilibrium with ambient temperature (yet the magnet itself does). The beaker that is one meter away from the other setup, does reach equilibrium with ambient. Additionally the beaker within the magnet has a white precipitate where the other one does not. Before I go further, has anyone done anything similar? *I do not subscribe to the effects of magnetic field on pure water, yet I now have question on that understanding. Thanks... Howdy Stiffler, Much studies around including some pretty far out stuff in the ORMUS areas. WE have a research test setup at our Weimar Texas shop. Our next series of tests will start a log on the use of magnets and solenoids both for flows and water vortex studies. Richard
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Give Mel a Break?
Howdy Vorts, Nuff said about culturals and races. Back in the US Navy WW2., a kid I knew from down around Corpus Christi Texas told of the fights he could start at the dance hall. Seems the small nearby farming communities were sorta "clannish". Orange Grove was all Dutch, San Patricio was Irish-Mex mix, Alice was German, Robstown was Czech, Kingsville some partJewish settlement... and so on . The dance hall was midway between the towns. To get a fight started, my smartaleck kid friend would stand outside and shout to one of the guys inside saying... "did you hear what that Bohunk called you".. the fight would start in earnest.. all it takes is to play the card.. ethnic, culture and race.. Fun stuff.eh? Back to talking about science ideas.. the highest form of gossip!!! Richard
[VO]:Re: MERUCRY and the Vortex Prophecy?
Nick Palmer wrote,P.S. I'm very dubious about astrology! Slate Magazine today on net... "In fact, the best news of the 2006 elections is the opportunity it gives Democrats to earn the lasting support of the independents and disgruntled Republicans whose votes just dropped in our laps. Tuesday was the death knell for Rovism—the quaint and now fully discredited theory that majorities are built not by expanding support with ideas that work but by mobilizing extreme minorities with ideas that aren't meant to be enacted and wouldn't work if they did " Hmmm!!!, More carnival than astrology but what the heck, Jones said it like it is. Richard
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Greenest of the Green
Standing Bear wrote, This is a stratosphereof inflated salaries that can disappear in a heartbeat along withthe standards of living to which these pampered darlings havebecome accustomed. Interesting observations da Bear. Consider Clear Channel Communications of San Antonio Texas. Now considering going private. The present management is in the hands of a wealthy family. The stock is 1/2 of 2000 price. This family has reaped huge stck and other encentives and now face super enrichment by selling out. Who is buying Clear Channel to take private and why ? Goldman sachs is " handling" the deal for management and studying offers by Texas-Pacific, Kohlberg, Blackstone Group and others. Serious money must want Clear Channel... why? Clear Channel owns 1500 some odd USA radio stations.. A few names may be recognized.. Rush Limbaugh, et.al. A conservative voice over 1500 stations is no small potaters. Scary stuff to begin with.. a single entity controlling 1500 dispersed radoi stations nationwide.. How did they get an ok from FCC to capture such a huge base? .. and better still.. who wants this asset and resource.. and why.. the what-ifs are staggering if one considers that Rush could be effectively silenced if certain parties took the 1500 stations private... while I am not a Rush fan.. I can see a danger. Anything that has a smell of Goldman Sachs scares me. Richard
[Vo]: Re:[VO]
Jones wrote Below the sun's surface, in the fusion zone there will likely be a monstrous positive charge bias, which keeps this area far less-dense than it otherwise should be, if only gravity were at work. Electrostatic repulsion is in constant battle with gravity there. The resultant charge layering makes the structure like a giant capacitor, and on the surface and in the corona, you will have a corresponding negative charge bias, to balance out the positive bias below - and many surplus electrons, which probably are "paired" for substantial statistical time periods (even if it is nanoseconds as paired and femptoseconds as sequentially unpaired) - since there is also a gigantic magnetic field and a gigantic gravity field, with which to structure this kind of persistent electron pairing - which is highly favored by electrons anyway.. if protons from the flare are moving fast enough to exit the gravity field alone, or to capture a single electron and exit into the solar wind, then they provides the bulk of this wind, and the single electron capture would provide perhaps the remaining 5-10% of solar heating. The stable hydrino-hydride, in contrast will be ejected electrostatically, but at a much slower pace both in numbers and in velocity. The Hy- may move at less than one percent of the speed of the bulk of solar wind. Howdy Jones, I suggest the mind picture is blurred by the use of the wording " solar wind".Unforunately, sometime in the past the event was named "solar wind" and has"misdirected " sciencesince. A mind picture of a robus strip shaped torus would better fit the frame for reference. It may be possible todesign an experiment to demonstate if the "solar wind" actually inverts . Picture the Indianapolis speedway track reshaped into a robus strip and watch the race cars run past heading eastand watchthem return from the west, yet never meet together in a collision. The magnificent " capacitor "fits" the mind picture .. however.. Richard
[VO]:Re: The Hydrino Harvester(c)
Howdy Vorts, Alas!! NASA and aerospace introduced with their attendant bureaucratic bumbling ang bungling. Did you notice that Boeing was "edged out" of the latest contract with NASA in favor of Lockheed- Martin. Ummm .. lets see.. that means a total regime change at NASA with a new contractor.. as profound as it would be if KBR were replaced by another contractor in Iraq. All this means that energy, space exploration, science etc is not the driving force.. money and power is the driving force. Washington... where it is not nearly as important to win .. as it is to make sure the other guy loses. What a philosophy. Richard
[VO]:Re: The Hydrino Harvester
Howdy Jones, Or it may be stated " HY". A Jones homily is always welcome on a blustery Texas fall day. The thing most thought provoking in your " copyrighted theory" is considering the long sought explanation of " heat" radiation received on earth from the sun. To consider that a fascimile of heat is " encapsulated" in something while " in transit" from the sun to the earth is blasphemy to the gods of higher learning. Yet , how else to explain how heat can survive the coldness of vacuum space over 93 mil miles.. hmmm! Richard
[Vo]: Fw: Re: Removal of chi?
Fred wrote, Then again, there is a chi in your chi-mney Richard. Watch Jones blow his stack over that one. :-) Howdy Fred, Sumtin's doon tikled dat man's fancy. Humor is an imperative for survival in the new world of dis-order of science and politics. Hannibal could have been defeated with laughter when you think about it. Just the headlines in the Roman Times would have done it. " General P.T (Barnum) Hannibal invades Rome with circus troop complete with elephants." Richard
Re: [VO]:Re: The Hydrino Harvester
Dr. Stiffler wrote.. RC Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sir, I respect your opinion as I would expect you of mine, yet I wonder about your e-mail account of walhalla as opposed to valhalla? :-) Howdy Dr.Stiffler, The account is named walhalla after the nearby (used to be) town of Walhalla, Texas. The local pronunciation differs depending on ancestory. Germans pronounce the word with a V sound. Stories differ regarding the demise of Walhalla Texas, some believe the procrastinators club originated in the basement of the old cotton gin back in 1889, but since they never got around to composing a members list... well.. err.. what can I say . Settlers started coming in around 1821 ( the Austin Colony), the first German town in Texas was settled nearby and named Industry. More German settlers came and named Oldenburg, Rutersville, New Ulm, Waldeck, Weimar etc. The Czechs came later and named their towns Dubina, Nechanitz, Praha etc. My favorite character out of Texas history is a fella named Buckner, a genuine individual. He came in around 1815 before Austin, settled alongside a spring fed creek otherside of LaGrange Texas. He had an old indian woman lived with him. Nobody lived closer than 100 miles. Along came Austin and told him he'd have to move off the land he settled cuz it was given the Austin settlers by Mexico. Buckner held his own for 15 some years. The trouble with Mexico got worse and Austin kept asking Buckner to fight with the settlers but he stayed out of it until 1835 when he let a politicain talk him into going down to Velasco to help fight. Got himself killed for the trouble and outa kindness, the politicains divided his land between themselves. Kinda reminds me of the story of Iraq. Say Walhalla or Valhalla , don't much matter anymore, cuz Mexico will soon demonstrate that Santa Ana actually won the battle of San Jacinto in 1836.. just took longer than expected. Richard
[VO]:Re: Removal of chi?
Jones wrote, The reason that this is important is that many physicists, on hearing something like Qi or Chi or orgone spoken in a serious context, turn pale, start to froth at the mouth, and slather vulgarities... anyway...Howdy Jones, One must have a regular portion of Jone's "homolies" to survive in the backwoods of Texas. Much space has been devoted on the web to the remarkable properties of water including "ormus" state water etc.The bible has an interesting sentence.. "the water and the blood". Richard
[VO]:Fred's Solar Chimney
Fred wrote, Never try to outdo a Texan. They certainly have the hot air supply. Bush, and Jones Beene's ancestral heritage country. :-) "In the heart of the nation's leading oil province, Monahans (Texas) officials and residents are hoping to land a major renewable energy project." If located at Monahans, the solar tower -- also known as a solar chimney -- would be, at 3,000 feet tall, the largest manmade structure in the world and generate 200 megawatts of green electricity, enough to power 200,000 homes Howdy Fred, Shucks Fred, they may pull it off. That is the financing and tax benefits. Our Gov. Rick Perry has a little package of "freebees" for stuff like this chimney.. that is if he survives the next election. Boy wonder slid into office on Guv. Bush coattails and has hung around performing wonders with numbers while eating cucumbers. He put a backdoor deal together with Cintra of Spain for a 180 billion dollar TransTx Corridor highway to make sure the illegals and WalMart had a superhighway between Mexico and Canada ready for the next phase of the new world order. Worked right, this towercould be named after the retiring Prez... let's see .. hmmm. we could call it.. "blowin smoke up" or something commerative. Technology wise, the darn thing makes sense on paper.. but...if it don't.. well. wez really gonna have sumtin' to chuckle about..which is what Texans are best at.. laughing at themselves. Richard, we don wanna hab anythin like this around Dime Box Texas
[VO]:Re: The Vacuum ICE
Jones wrote, Some of those old locomotives could pull half a million pounds with less than a hundred real horsepower, it is said - because they had sufficient torque. Howdy Jones, My ole boss used to say, horsepower is horsehockey, torque is what a mule has in his rear. Ah! Steam locomotives... brought back memories of mid January 1946, war over,arrived atCamp Schmacher outside Berkeley, caught the east bound continental out that night , passed Sacramento steaming up the Donner grade and BLAM! near snowbound waiting for daylight and plows to clear the tracks. Thats when I saw an example of pure, raw horsepower.. at first dawn, UP connected two mountain locomotives to pull the 40 car troop train up across the pass heading to Reno. As the tracks curved around the steep grade, you could see the two locomotives " chugging" away at a speed of just above walking.. it was after nightfall before we reached Reno. That's real Hoss power. Back to reality... much of our work is vacuum inducting feeding of chemicals... strange experiences occur when working with vacuum. There has been a lack of research in the vacuum arena until NASA . Richard
[VO]:Re: A short rant
Harry Veeder wrote, Though Huygens rejected Newton's theory of universal gravitation because it required action-at-a-distance, his own mechanistic account failed to explain satisfactorily how subtle vortical-matter transferred centripetal conatus to ordinary matter." Richard wrote, A further explanation is required to address the purpose and action of the " reverse vortex" present in a vortex. One of physics puzzling questions. Thomas wrote, Have you read any Russell? His model has vortexes, centripetal, center seaking and centitifugal that expand. Howdy Thomas, Technically, the reverse vortex is not fully covered by Russell. Consider the granddaddy of all earthly observable vortex.. the gulf of Mexico style hurricane. The sustained eyewall may exceed 60 miles diameter. Acounterforce must exist.The low pressure formed in the eye cannot reconcile with the surrounding forces produced. The assumption that an unmeasurable"electro-magnetic event" takes place above, below or globally opposite the eye has been offered. That thought would in turn produce congecture that a spinning top must have a corresponding unseen energy balance opposite. hmmm!! Such conjecture, not taken to extreme ( tongue in cheek), may in turn offer some insight into why LENR is so extremely difficult to reproduce. We may be looking for the resultant in the wrong place. Richard Richard
[VO]:Stare
Howdy Vorts, Ever look at things like a kid and simply stare. They see it but don't,because that's not what they are looking for. We are looking at the next war that actually started around year 1990 via computer. An information war.A cyber war.This war is evolving as new weapons are developed, We have entered the " blog" phase. The next phase can be " denial of service" which in turn will be overcome by the demand for armored internet services via the next version of wifi and in turn by satellite.hmmm! Since all battles are won and lost in the mind before the fight starts.We need to cast a cautious eye on what the fed is planning for "satellite protection and space measures". Ever get the idea that there is somebody out there a whole lot smarter than realized.. and they may be inside thebeltway and notelsewhere? Richard
[VO]:Re: Future speed freaks
Howdy Jones, A close peek at the "rocketman" makes me consider he has adapted the vortex air blaster theme to a turbine.. pretty neat. http://www.swissrocketman.com/images_gtre/41.gif Alas! the USA is rapidly losing it's capacity to produce anvanced technology products. Almost every consumer product is now made in China. That doesn't mean it can't be produced in the USA, it means the experience in daily production allows them to advance past our idleness to the point that they would need to send their tech people to the USA to make a product to meet their quality control standards. We have become a nation of wholesalers. Richard
[VO]:Re: A short rant
Harry Veeder wrote, Though Huygens rejected Newton's theory of universalgravitation because it required action-at-a-distance, his own mechanisticaccount failed to explain satisfactorily how subtle vortical-mattertransferred centripetal conatus to ordinary matter." Howdy Harry, A further explanation is required to address the purpose and action of the " reverse vortex" present in avortex. One of physics puzzling questions. Richard
[VO]:Re:{anti-Vo]:Global warming
Nick Palmer wrote, No, it does not conflict with the need to do something... Howdy Vorts, Ah Ha! Now therein lies the real problem. .." the need to do something" ! Shakespeare once penned " there is a tide..." It ain't up to us anymore which is why it's a waste of time to talk about global warm. I went to wedding in Dallas over the weekend. Dallas is one of the "NEW" boom town cities of the world where the movers and shakers migrate toward. I listened to the talk and after more than 40 years of business experience, I compared what I heard with what my gut feeling was telling me. Best way to describe what I sensed in Dallas.. playing poker with scared money. It's like a game of monolopy.. everybody knows the money is make believe and the hotels and properties are just play Folks, global warming is way down the list of priorities. Not to worry.. the laws of human nature are alive and well in the world. Read Cervantes "Don Quixote" and get the joke. Jones Beene should write a 21 century version. Richard
[VO]:Re: Flux Tansfer Events
Terry wrote, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/06/leaking_earth/Up close and personal with a leaking magnetosphere Cosmic plumbingBy Lucy SherriffFriday 6th October 2006 06:02 GMTYou may or may not know that Earth's magnetosphere leaks. You mightthink it is therefore time to send for the intergalactic plumbers. Andin a manner of speaking, that is what the European Space Agency hasdone, in collaboration with its counterparts in China. Howdy Terry, One mustavoid being " strip searched" byLady Sheriffs. Great graphics shown in the links,utter fictionof what could have actually happened to the spacecraft monitoring systems. Itmay bethat the same people reading these "tea leaves" were responsible for the recent award of the Nobel prize for physics for the next episodeof "big Bang" theories. At least the Flat Earth Society publishes a disclaimer and the Darwinians admittheir ideas areonly a misguided attempt to frustrate the intellect. Richard
[VO]:Re: More on DSHP
Jones wrote, First of all, the 'eureka moment' in question goes back further than Archimedes - it is Mother-nature's idea - biomimicry at work. Howdy Jones, Surprising how many Texas AM engineering school undergrads are now tracking your posts on this subject via my secret code ring locationunder my keyboard. They asked me if I knew Jones I remarked that he lives over the other side of Eureka which is not even close to Dime Box. Still believe that Schauberger's vortex windmill would bea good easy to make project with fiberglas. Richard vort11.gif Description: GIF image
[Vo]: [VO];Re: Steve Krivit NO LONGER urges participation in Wikapedia
Steve wote, Well, some of you attempted to intervene, and I applaud you, whoever it was, but it seems the like things are a bit out of control there at the moment. I'm appalled that such destruction could occur and that it has been left to stand. Let them have their way. One day they will wake up to a very big surprise. Howdy Vorts, Seems to me thatmore peopleare lending credence to Wikipedia than deserved. So much for a great idea. They become tainted and painted with the ole "tar brush" and become wickedpedia. For shame.. the gossip that will ensue over at the domino parlor at Dime Box Texas. Richard
[VO]:Re: Seeing Tesla with new eyes
John Berry wrote..
I have a friend, he's a bit odd, but anyway he told me about a friend
of his (also John) who built a death ray, he isn't technical and I'm am doubtful
he'd be able to come up with such interesting details, by using very strong UV
lamps and high voltage was able to create just such a conductive channel through
the air, he told me the guy had killed, I forget if it was a goat or a cow,
maybe one of each with it. He asked his friend if I could have a look but
his paranoid friend (who lives in isolation) didn't agree, and next time he told
me that it wasn't working. (I forgot what he said blew)This was about a
year ago if that. I'd say it's more likely than not he's on the level,
he doesn't have interest in science in any form which makes the details (most of
which I can't recall accurately enough to recount) he gave seem unlikely to be
fabricated.
Howdy John,
After all John, what are friends for? Used to have a friend like that
myself. LIved over near Cat Spring ,Texas in an ole house next to the abandoned
railroad tracks ('bout 40 some miles over from Dime Box,
Texas). Anyways, this fella could sit in his front porch rockin'
chair and drink " white lighnin". He could actually see and hear the ole
steam locomotive coming into town 100 years after they tore up the tracks and
the last train ran.
Now, that's what you call science.
He had this trick.. he could drink corn squeezing and chew tobacco both at
the same time. Well... err...that is ' till one night he accidently
washed down a whole plug of "Wedding Cake" chewing tobacco with a healthy "swig"
of white lighnin.
What happened next could be described sorta like what happened to your
friend.. septin.. my friend spent the next few days in the outhouse... funny
thing .. he never heard or saw any more steam locomotives.. but that science for
you... can't always reproduce an experiment.
Richard
[VO]: Re: Esa Rucho
Esa wrote.. I really hope this email isn't taken as 1) troll 2) annoyance I would love to pose some more questions, I am starving of information, and tired of the "quick fix" people Howdy Esa, A lenghty discourse from you. Thanks!. Ask your specific questions, thats what Vorts is all about. Is your vodeo clip available to send? I would like to view your egg test if you wish to send a clip to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard
[VO]:Re: On the magnetization of Water
--- Robin How do you intend to remove a fraction of a percent,The fractional percent is with no catalyst present(pure water) but the equilibrium level is much higherwith a colloidal catalyst. and concentrate it to HTP?That is done in a cascade. Because of the enormousdensity difference, only a few simple stages areneeded. We hope to get to mid-grade with three stages,maybe two, and to HTP from there in one final stage,which is done immediately prior to injection so thatthere is almost no stored HTP. Jones Howdy Vorts, I have been following this thread with much interest. Most exciting and parallels some of our studies.. The Russian paper on magnetic treatment of wastewater caught my attention but the HTP idea is fascinating. Now couple the small turbine attached to the 100,000 rpm generator to a mag coupled flywheel and it's beginning to jell. Richard
[VO]:Re: Jones post
Jones wrote.. Notwithstanding that major breakthrough, the hybrid car itself will need no large engine, just a tiny genset - similar in size to a present day turbocharger - except thatthe compressor-end is gone and replaced with a high speed electrical generator - operating at only one speed (100,000 RPM) and about 20 kW output - used to keep the batteries charged for longer trips than the 10 miles they can go with no genset. This is basically a tiny steam engine. A slightly larger radiator is there, but it is used to condense some of the steam back to water so that less need be carried. The steam is made mostly from water which has been converted onboard into HTP (high test peroxide), but zero HTP (which is dangerous) is carried aboard the vehicle. How can that be??? Simple, my dear Watson- it is all manufactured and enriched continuously and "just in time" (as detailed in the next posting). Howdy Jones, Interesting insight into nature in this article that states.. "Pax’s projects also take a cue from a design theory called biomimicry, coined by Janine Benyus, who wrote a seminal book on the subject in 1997. Biomimicry argues that nature uses only the energy it needs, fits form to function, and recycles everything. So why not design products the same way?" http://www.pc-news.org/turning-natures-design-into-scientific-breakthrough/internet-news/
[VO]: Pitkinen magnetics paper
Howdy Vorts, Interesting insight in magnetics study by Pitkanen. http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/pitkanen.pdf My interest is the application of some of the thoughts expressed in his paper to a water vortex. Richard
[VO]:Re: steornwatch.com
Remi wrote, The best thing is for visionaries/ideas people to form a consortium ofengineers/scientists (much as Steorn) and cut every worker in, pay everyworker a salary and give every worker equity.Kind of socialism within capitalist constraints: you look after the foundersand the workforce. Howdy Remi, Don't work thata way. The strong take itaway from the weak and the smart take it away from the strong. Richard
[Vo]: Question
Howdy Frank, Are you being blocked by vortex or is this an example of our esteemed intelligence ( or lack thereof) heirarchy in government? One requires a steady input of " the Grimer" complete with latin verbage to survive in the rural parts of Texas where rumors and suspicions abound that Santa Ana and General Grant have signed a trade agreement with WalMart and our Confederate money could loose 10% of it's value overnight. OUr best, Richard
[VO]:Re: A SODden Thought
Howdy Jones. Whne I was a kid I couldn't miss the saturday morning movie adventure. Alas ! Yesterday! But, not to worry because Jones Beene is here to provide the spark of inspiration together with that intrinsic sense of humor so vital to life grin For those odd Texans that never attended AM engineering school, what Jones means is SOD is present in everyday life. We see it in manifest form.. what you say??? RUST. the evidence Dr. Watson RUST isd the evidence. Just as a hurricane is the evidence of CF. Some one will harness the energy available, but only and unless that person believes just as a kid watching a western movie and believed he would grow up one day and be a cowboy. Richard
Re: [Vo]: Re: Magnetron application to water vortex
On 8/18/06, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True ... but just as all the clocks in a clock store line-up in phase, on their own (like magic ?) one would expect microtrons, especially if wired in parallel, to do the same, no? Terry wrote, Not really. The resonant frequency of the microwave cavity will vary with the mechanical variations in the device. The frequencies have to be exact to be phase synchronous. Robin wrote, Then use the same source and split the beam in two (or pass the same signal through two separate amplifiers). Howdy Robin , Thanks for the idea. We keep plugging away at the task and ideas are always welcome. Richard
[VO]:Re: SciAM Sept.
Howdy Jones, Mention Nuke power plants . The South Texas Nuclear Power Plant near Bay City Texas, some 100 miles due south of me has a problem. Abunch of spoilsports sneaked into town and begin examining medical records over the past 20 years and learned there has been a marked increase in illnesses associated with radiation. Not to worry because the plant owners are going to ADD two more reactors to the plant. Seems this plant was originally a joint venture with Houston Lighting and Power, city of Austin etc al. Brown and Root construction( now Halliburton) had the contract for about 2 bil bucks, trouble started immediately and finally Bechtol took over the contract and completed the job for around 8 bil, give or take a few. HPP started crying they were stranded with a money losing nuke plant so the State of Texas sold bonds and gave them the money( 15 bil give or take a few)with the public paying off the bonds (by charging higher rates). Since in Texas, it considered to be very poor sportsmanship to ever give a sucker an even break, After triple flipping the ownership of the plant across three different owners, each using the same brand of tears and crying towel, the plant finally wound up being owned by Mr. Nobody ( in other words we really aren't sure exactly who the owners are for lianility purposes). Uhmmm! Lets see if I have this straight in my mind Bush was Governor at the time and. oh no.. there is no connection,, couldn't be. P.T. Barnum and Mark Twain had it pegged. Richard
[Vo]: [VO}:Re: Where did Vortex get lost?
john wrote, We all see war and political and religious aspects in the news and in our lives. I am not suggesting to ignore this. I am asking if any Vos would like to get back to science Howdy john, Hey, I know what you mean. Once in awhile I try to interject a bit of humor about Texas as a way to cool it. All the same to you I will just stick with what ole Sheriff Jim said ( may recall he was the law back when the best lil ho'house in Texas was at its prime. When asked what he intended to do about all the lawbreaking out at the chicken ranch ( site about 12 miles from myhome).. Sheriff Jim quipped.. What? arrest the lawbreakers going out to the chicken ranch? I hate to tell you but I'd have to arrest the governor, the legislatureand the attorney general if I did. Who would be left to run Texas? Talk about science.. look at the links below and consider where science is pursuing insanity .. err... or visa-verse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator http://www.tfd.chalmers.se/~valeri/EMP.html http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/docs1/00374018.pdf Richard
[Vo]: Magnetron application to water vortex
Howdy Vorts, We have made several modifications to our test setup andcan producea very stable eyewall in the water vortex. Suggestions made regarding applying a pair of magnetronsaimed at the vortex have been intriguing. I have some pdf pics of the test setup including a pic of trhe actual " eye" produced. Before wefabricate a stainless steel container for further testing, we would welcome input on ideas for the mounting of the megnetrons. Being a bunch of Vorts.. your ideas and suggestions may be as completely wild as you wish grin Yes, we know a microwave cannot be "aimed" or focused... thats why wehave to do it. Ask me and I will send you the two pics to view. Richard
[VO]:Re: New Segway Products
Howdy Vorts, Can'y find too much false in what John Berry wrote about the good ole USA which may be the reason the Confederacy in the south is still fighting the Civil War of 1861-1865. I know my grandmother sure hated the Yankees cuz her granddaddy was killed in that war by the damn Yankees and she wasn't born til 1869. Folks sure have a long memory , may even be a few Muslins still around that hate Crusaders. Shucks, if you want to read all about what started it with the Muslins ya have to go back to Genesis and read how bad poor little Ismael got treated by his stepmama Sarah.That must have been around... uh...lets see.. about 2000 BC, give or take a century or too. My memory ain't too good on dates but I'm a Texan and Texans never forget anything that's real important like a really dirty trick. I bettter sign off now cuz I'm getting plum worked up again jus thinking about our boys at the Alamo and Goliad... Now , that was really a dirty trick ole Santa Ana's side kick played on Col.Fannin. Why he promised Fannin if he would surrender that Fannin and his troops would get parole.. word of honor, cross my heart, sure fire deal, no lie... BLAM,BLAM and that was the end of ole Fannin and his troops as soon as he layed down his gun and raised his hands. But as they say, time has a way of solving old peoblems.. but I gotta say those Yankees lie when the truth is in their favor so I kinda gotta go along with what John Berry had to say about em. Richard Just south of Dime Box Texas wher the bluebonnets grow, the cattle call and the tequila tastes like lemomade.
[VO]:Re: New Segway Products
Mike Carrell wrote.. Do you advocate policies which guarantee equality of outcome as opposed to equality opportunity? Be careful of what you wish for, that produces equal poverty for all. Howdy Mike, Ah! The law of unintended consequenses. You may add to the equation the " derivative" consequence. This strange "critter" has morphed into a near uncontrollable super virus that eats anything that approaches it for security, balance, offset, hedge or a host of excuses to foster the great game. Derivatives are now indispensible to the world financial system. Rummy was certainly right in his statement... " deficits no longer matter". A truism when you think about it. SEC was spoiling to "regulate" the beast until the very wise of the world led them aside and explained the facts of life to them. The poor dumb Muslim nations are so far back in the mire of the 6th century that they know they are being used by big petro but they dont know what to do about it except blow themselves up attempting to get even.Ever notice that many of the firebrand leaders in these natiions were educated in Moscow back in their glory days... take for example.. Saddam Hussian,, hmmm. Scratch the surface of the lot and notice they are first Marxist and last Muslin clerics. The problem with wanting to play in the world's poker game of life isthe need toconstantly remind yourself the house wins because they hold the oddswhich causes you bet against yourself.
[VO]:Re: New Segway Products
Robin wrote.. Ever heard of a Pyrrhicvictory? - because that would be the most probable outcome, if youboth had your way. (No bets on who the "victor" would be). Howdy Robin, All the above is just an academic argument compared to what is staring Australia in the face. An entire continent, underpopulated by mostly European Infidels. Just northwest of Australia lies the East Indies with a muslim population explosion in progress in a land hungry series of nation islands. When its time , they will come knocking on your door. They are already invading Australia by the boatloads. Streets in major cities are no longer safe. What is your suggested solution? Richard
[VO]:Re: OT How to deal with terrorism
Howdy Vorts, Been an interesting series of comments but I see no consensus. At the fundamental base of humanity, very few have an inherent evil within. I have metvery few that were evil to the core without any redemptive value. There seems to be an age , possibly around 6-9 years, where certain patterns of behavior emerge and a set of values begin to form that influence behavior into adulthood. It is mostly impossible to change a persons mind or behavior once set.since only God can change the heart. Different religious cultural practice and parental teaching and discipline seems toidentify withvarious cultures. Muslim culture clashes with Judeo-Christian culture and has for some 1400 years. Isreal understands there can be no peaceful resolution so their method of survival is eye for an eye. The Christian method is dependence upon God. We could be seeing the samesituation that occurred in the time of the kings of Isreal where 2 Chronicles chapter 20 identifies battles that belong to God. The USA is not only a paradox, it is going through another phase of melding of cultures of which the outcome we cannot predict. Dynamic changes underway have unintended consequences where individual freedoms arefurther reducedboth by the well intended and the schemes of men. Human nature isinfluenced byjealousy, vanity, lust and greed which leads to no end of mischiefwith never ending variations producing one of the most profitable and intriguing industries on the US scene... lawyering. and the military industrial complex so profitable to the Carylile and Blackstone group. I recall reading something written by DesCartes after his visit to the holy lands regarding his unbelief that the phophecy of the eventual restoration of Isreal couldn't happen because no one lived in the desert region between the western sea and the Persian gulf except a few thousand nomadic herdsmen. Yet the Zionist movement sent settlers to form Kibbutz along the Gaza area in the 1880'sThey secured authorization from the Turkish Sultan and purchased ( emphasis on bought , not took)the land from the tribesmen on which they drilled water wells and created irrigated farming co-ops ( communes)to sellproduce to Europe. After thses farms were established, their next step was to form the Hebrew University to begin the training of a civil service cadre for governing. This long range planning resulted in what Isaiah predicted and a nation was created in "one day" in 1948. There has not been one day of peace since that day. There has not been a day since 1948 that Isreal has not been mentioned in the world news. Phophecy states that every nation that comes against Isreal will injure themselves. A view of the pics of the damage wrought against Lebanon seems to confirm that prophecy. Maybe the Mexicans had it right in the old days.. when two people couldn't agree, they tied their hands together with rawhide , handed each a sharp machete and advised them to settle the matter between themselves. Oh! were the disputes of the world that easy to resolve. But .come to think of it.. trouble usually starts with just two. If the twocould be culled out before they were able to hire somebody else to fight their battles. everyone else would be left in peace to chase women, drink whiskey and raise hell. Richard
[VO]:Re: Are we there yet?
Howdy Vorts, Reduced to application, the Coleman Powermate AirGen idea is a 1000 watt non-portable electric generator. Praxair will package the device with a botttle of hydrogen gas( under high pressure)and market it nationwide. A high pressure cylinder of hydrogen gas? For standby power source for a computer ? When I sit down to my "puter" I do not wish to have a hydrogen cylinder between my legs .. or anywhere close.. these things leak and go "boom in the night". Some of us kids in Texas ain't got a lick of sense but we ain't crazy. Now if you want to discuss colloid.. well.. once when we were kids and the strip down 34 model chev we used to hunt ducks in the rice fields wouldn't start, we found the battery was dry. Shazzaam !A little squirt of pi*s in the battery did wonders. Colloids in actions. Richard
[VO]: OT: BP Alaska Pipeline shutdown ??
Howdy Vorts.. Why do I get the feeling tha my chain is getting "yanked" by people a whole lot smarter than me? Richard
[VO]:Re: Correa Patent Issued
Chris wrote.. Tonight has been consistent, as someone just informed me that Stanford has hooked up with Chevron to study "their" new discovery of nanodiamond for broad scale industrial applications and something to do with Silicon Vally. The looming question is why I ever thought anyone at Stanford (or any other University that I contacted) would bother to fund my discovery of a never before known, Semiconductive Non DetonationNanodiamond powder? Quite the "common" thing to do. Howdy Chris, You read my post on patent themes. Didn't your grandmother ever tell you that people cheat at cards? Hollywood has made a fortunefostering the fable thatgood guys wear white hats. What is to keep bad guys from wearing white hats to fool the gullible? A border cantina ( University) is no place to look for a " friendly " game of cards. The crossed bandeleers and the knife in the boot is a sure sign you are in mixed company. Ah! Stanford .. where all the hopes and aspirations of the simple and pure in heart clash with "silicon valley and US DOE". If you want to make a fortune, move to New Mexico, raise long red peppers and sell the strings to the rich tourists. All the patents have expired. Richard
[VO]:Re: Correa Patent Issued
Chris wrote.. My comments on this are at http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1993mode=threadorder=0thold=0however I will say here that the Correa's are common folk, with no imagination, foul, nastypersonalitiesand they havesticky fingers as well. My Pulsed Plasma Drive worked so well for them - they decided to say they invented it! Howdy Chris, Gosh Chris, That's plum disgusting! My sweet ole grandma Blanche Louise Townley, to whom one never attributed a "cuss word" would have understood and appreciated the " common" remark. One must be veddy British to appreciate the depth of disgust the use of this word implies. Richard
[VO]:Re: Hydrophobia in New Mexico
Jones wrote.. Interesting results re: hydrophobic surfaces from Fred's old stomping grounds...http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/releases/2006/snap.html Fascinating, the formation of vortex shapes. Spit on a dry very hot cast iron skillet and the liquid "bounces and dances" without evaporating. Or , the strange accounts of natives dancers in the South Pacific walking across hot rocks without injury.. hmm Richard
[VO]:Re: Magnetic Vortices Charged Water
Howdy Vorts, I have acopy of a Russian paperon a new physical method of disinfection of water that addresses a portion of the magnetic water theme. I will send a jpg to anyone that wishes to read it. Richard
[VO]:Re: Colloidal Carbon Nanoparticles..
Fred wrote.. I like this example: "EXAMPLE 8 (Revival of battery of imported car): In a battery mounted in a car manufactured by MERCEDES BENZ (trademark) which was conveyed from German on a ship and landed in Japan, completely deep discharge was proceeded under the influence of ambient air temperature when the ship passed the equator during transportation, so that the battery could not be used nor charged. A trial was made to revive the battery which could not be used because of the deep discharge. A total amount of 250 cc of a carbon suspension was supplied in each cell of a battery (almost 100 AH) of a 4.5 liter displacement engine of the car manufactured by MERCEDES BENZ which battery could not be charged. The battery was charged with currents of 60A for 15 minutes. When the battery was mounted in the car manufactured by MERCEDES BENZ and the engine was tried to be started, the engine could be started at once. It became clear from the above that the carbon suspension could recover a ! battery which deeply discharged, by quick charge for a short period of time. " Howdy Fred.. Had a little troublewith the translation. Am I correct in understanding they attributed the total dischargeof thebattery to crossing the Equator ?This could be easily verified by experiment. The 60A charge for 15 minutes on a 100AH battery is the giveaway. . 60 Amps at 14.4 vdccharge of a100 AH battery for 15 minutes will result in a pool of gunk. Again, easy to verify by experiment. Richard
[VO]:Re: The Military and Hubbert
John Steck wrote.. harumph harumph harumph 8^) Richard wrote.. Big oil may also be the stabilizing agent for the world economy and not the Federal Reserve nor gold. Howdy John, As in the physical sciences, one must keep an open mind else we all wind up at MIT playing keepaway. The magnitude of the currency represented by the daily marketing of oil ,is in itself, so profound, that the world banking industry is fearfulof replaciing the dollar withthe Euroas the trading vehicle. Robin correctly identified this tidbit in his post bymentioning the US holds the world hostage with the printed dollar. Whne drinking Tequila in Texas border cantina, one must be circumspect as to the atmosphere and environment. Once inside the door, macho plays a greater role. It is assumed that more than one patron has a weapon of choice and scouts honor don't play to the audience. Richard
[VO]:Re: The Miolitary and Hubbert
Robin referred to link below.. http://www.greatchange.org/ov-simmons,club_of_rome_revisted.html Howdy Robin, Simmons has been a favorite reference for oil and gas(OG) people in Texas. Interesting report to gether with the website.. don't miss the rest of it. Left unmentioned in much of the energy forecasts is the economic warps created by " credit cards" and their role in new financial programs like reverse and 2nd mortgages. While Simmons does a great job in OGtrending studiesthefinancial worlduses the daily reports ofWall Street where not anly is everything for sale but has a published bid price. These bids and prices include the value of a nation when you think about it. It will not be energy nor food that determines outcome.. it will be credit. Richard
[VO]:RE: Just a test..subject keeps..
Howdy John Berry, Interesting thought regarding parallel lines of force. You may expand on the thought and receive more input form others in the group. Regarding "missing" e-mail posts and messages, we have been experiencing power outages in key locations in the US like St.Louis. The internet is subject to power outages just like my lightbulbs at home. During the past few months there has been some internet "magic" taking place. I will leave it up to others to speculate and/or identify this magic, be it key location power outage, mid-east rowdy boys playing games or big uncle protecting us from ourselves. Go figure. Richard
Re: [Vo]: Tesla Unveiled
Howdy Terry, The link refers to Tesla's 1931 Pierce -Arrow touring car supposedly rigged up to run on a black box sitting on the front seat and caapable of 90 MPH speed. Take it froma guy that drove his first car in 1936. Nobody drove an auto 90 MPH in those days except race drivers with specially equipped motors and gearing. Reference was made the motor was capable of 1800 RPM. That dead giveaway proved the whole episode was a figment of someones imagination. 1800RPM with transmission and gearing in a 1931 Pierce-Arrow would give you speeds of approx 45-50 MPH maximum. .. The Tesla cult is alive and well... All Baloney. Richard - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Tesla Unveiled The first Tesla: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=1062 Terry
