Re: [Vo]:How to make money with cold fusion

[Teslaalset]

Some rough calculations on Mizuno's R20 reactor from atomic perspective to
trigger further thoughts

(please, fill in any errors, assumptions and suggestions):


(1) Surplus heat @ 3KW: 2700W - Energy release 2700 W/s = 1.7 * 1022 eV


(2) Number of Deuterium atoms (n) in the reactor using ideal gas law PV =
nRT : n = PV/RT (mol)

P = 0.0002 (@ 200 P)

V = 5.7 liters (given by R20 cylinder)

R = 0.08314 (given constant)

T = 673 K ( given by 400 degrees C as an R20 estimate)


n = 0.00020374 mol Deuterium = 2.4449 * 1020 free atoms in reactor space.

Assuming that absorbed Deuterium atoms do not take part in the energy
generation, but serve as a 'gas reserve' that by means of an Deuterium
equilibrium will be released in reactor space due to gas pressure and/or
gas temperature changes.


Let's further assume that 1% of the free space atoms participate in energy
release at the surface of the PD/Ni mesh.

That would result in 100 *(1)/(2) = 7 KeV per participating atom. Not a
fusion result (would require several MeV/atom) if given assumptions would
be correct.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 5:05 PM H LV  wrote:

> The battery (or Voltaic pile as it was originally named) proved to be an
> incredibley important discovery, but not in the way some people imagined.
> So much of our modern world depends on batteries.
>
> Harry
>
> On Tue., Jul. 2, 2019, 4:39 p.m. Jed Rothwell, 
> wrote:
>
>> H LV  wrote:
>>
>> When the electric battery was first discovered in the early 1800s and
>>> little was known about the phenomena, to some people it seemed like it
>>> could become the next great source of energy.  I think people should temper
>>> their commercial and scientific expectations when faced with the mystery of
>>> a new phenomena. Harry
>>>
>>
>> I think we now know enough about cold fusion to make informed speculation
>> about it. If the recent Mizuno experiment can be replicated, I think it
>> proves beyond question that the effect can be scaled up and made into a
>> commercially useful source of energy. It is only a matter of
>> engineering. It also shows that there is enough palladium in the world to
>> generate all the energy we need. I should explain that Mizuno has
>> projected that much higher power density is possible. We now know the
>> reaction can occur at high temperatures and high power density, and that it
>> can be controlled at least as well as a burning pile of coal or a fission
>> reactor core.
>>
>> When I wrote my book, I did not know whether cold fusion would ever
>> become a useful source of energy, or even whether it was possible to make
>> it practical. The book is predicated on the assumption that it can be made
>> practical, but that was speculation. I think we now know for sure that it
>> can be. It only has to be proved once, with one experiment, since the
>> effect itself has been widely replicated and there is no doubt it exists.
>>
>> It is possible there is such strong political opposition to cold fusion
>> it will never be developed. However we now know that it can be.
>>
>> It is true that people have sometimes overestimated the potential of new
>> technology, but I think more often they have underestimated it. People have
>> often underestimated by a gigantic margin. Some of these people were
>> experts who should have known better. In the 1970s the top managers at DEC
>> and other companies thought that microcomputers would never amount to much.
>> In the late 1990s, Paul Krugman thought that the Internet was not
>> important. Here is my favorite quote from an expert in transportation who
>> should have known better:
>>
>> Eighty-five percent of the horse-drawn vehicle industry of the country
>> is untouched by the automobile. In proof of the foregoing permit me to say
>> that in 1906-7, and coincident with an enormous demand for automobiles, the
>> demand for buggies reached the highest tide of its history. The man who
>> predicts the downfall of the automobile is a fool; the man who denies its
>> great necessity and general adoption for many uses is a bigger fool; and
>> the man who predicts the general annihilation of the horse and his
>> vehicle is the greatest fool of all.
>>
>> - The keynote speaker at the annual meeting of the National Association
>> of Carriage Builders in 1908, the year that Ford introduced the Model T
>>
>> From D. H. Sanders, "Computers in Business, An Introduction" (1968)
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno reports increased excess heat

[Teslaalset]

I watched his presentation via YouTube, but it was not mentioned there
(including the questions part).

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 2:06 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

> Check Zeiner-Gundersen’s presentation at ICCF-21. Not sure but it could
> have come out in later questioning.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Teslaalset 
>
>
>
> "In fact, it is now becoming evident what Sindre Zeiner-Gundersen may have
> meant when he said that they are no longer using the Shell catalyst (iron
> oxide) of Holmlid but have made an improvement."
>
>
>
> What is the source of this statement?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno reports increased excess heat

[Teslaalset]

"In fact, it is now becoming evident what Sindre Zeiner-Gundersen may have
meant when he said that they are no longer using the Shell catalyst (iron
oxide) of Holmlid but have made an improvement."

What is the source of this statement?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 5:00 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

> Here is a bit of a shocker if you haven’t been following this breaking
> news closely.
>
>
>
> The connection of Mizuno to the Holmlid UDD (ultra dense deuterium)
> phenomenon may be closer than most observers are aware.
>
>
>
> Late last year – after the earthquake – Mizuno supplied a test reactor to
> Sindre Zeiner-Gundersen and the Norront Fusion group – the main licensee of
> Holmlid.
>
>
>
> https://coldfusionnow.org/tadahiko-mizuno-rewards-community/
>
>
>
> Ruby confirms this in the Olafsson podcast. It may not have been the
> latest reactor version with the “Aladdin effect” (the magic effect of
> rubbing the genie’s lamp) but given all that has transpired recently – how
> long would it take a researcher to add this detail?
>
>
>
> Few hours at most if you have the nickel mesh and a bit of Pd.
>
>
>
> In fact, it is now becoming evident what Sindre Zeiner-Gundersen may have
> meant when he said that they are no longer using the Shell catalyst (iron
> oxide) of Holmlid but have made an improvement.
>
>
>
> That was last winter. Could that improvements have been made already using
> either the Mizuno mesh or else a mechanical alloying of Pd and iron oxide?
>
>
>
> Prediction – we should be hearing something soon from Norront to confirm
> the Mizuno collaboration and hopefully with even better results…
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Another looming possibility is that only sparse nuclear fusion reactions
> are happening but  most of  the thermal gain comes from BEC dominated
> processes where mass is converted into energy in such a way that  the
> thermal gain is more than chemical but less than fusion. Most likely the
> excess mass being converted  is related  to strong force dynamics via
> Quantum Chromodynamics.
>
>
>
> It seems likely that nickel does not promote fusion and the tiny amount of
> palladium is insufficient for the large amount of heat Mizuno is seeing.
>
>
>
> The possibility of non-fusion QCD reactions  is hinted at  in the
> previously cited Hora paper but it is not their interpretation. “Surface
> Effect for Gas Loading Micrograin Palladium for Low Energy Nuclear
> Reactions LENR” By Heinrich Hora, George H Miley, Mark A Prelas, Kyu Jung
> Kim and Xiaoling Yang
>
>
>
> This paper keeps turning up because of the “micrograin palladium”
> parameter – in contrast to bulk Pd. It is all about clustering of bosons
> which can lead to fusion on rare occasion, but otherwise  most of the heat
> of  the process can derive from the  clustering dynamics of the high
> temperature BEC.
>
>
>
> Curiously, the microcracking structure popularized by Ed Storms could
> relate to the same NON-fusion pathway for gain despite his insistence
> otherwise. Quantum Chromodynamics can be seen a natural outcome of a
> disturbance in the large deuterium cluster – the very tight packing in the
> BEC which can be hundreds of atoms.
>
>
>
> According to the paper -  deuterons collect in the cracks as a
> condensate,  in extremely dense accumulations at room temperature  but
> fuse  rarely due to their low colliding energy of several 10 meV.  However,
> this is sufficiently high that van-der-Waals forces or the increased
> Casimir forces at the pm distance may lead to the fluid state where
>  deuterons clinch together tp  form clusters and then oscillate in and out
> of the BEC state.
>
>
>
> It should be noted, that clusters with 100 deuterons of the size of one
> crystal void (Schottky defect) were measured in palladium ... These states
> could directly be identified from the deuteron emission energy of 630 eV
> from clear measured mass
>
> spectrometry.
>
>
>
> Wow – they clearly measured this level of gain which cannot be related to
> fusion. 630 eV is a huge amount of energy compared to chemical but tiny for
> a nuclear processl -  and yet it can derive from a bulk clustering process
> where the only radiation would be extreme UV radiation and eventually lots
> of heat.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
> Should separation distance between metals prove to be important, then a
> very
>
> small separation between two metal sheets can be obtained by etching a
> honeycomb
>
> pattern into fine gold leaf, and using it to separate the two target metal
>
> sheets.
>
>
>
> This could allow gas pressures as high as 17 atm. to be used if so desired.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
>
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

[Teslaalset]

How about deflecting muon paths by strong magnetic fields.
I found this info

.


On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Unsolicited observations of identical experimental consequences lends
> credence to the production of a common causative reaction. For
> example, Defkalion saw not advantage in reporting a major problem that
> they suffered in the testing and demonstration of their system that
> later ture up in other systems. ME356 explained why his testing
> instruments and sensors were malfunctioning 3 meters away from his
> reaction. This is very similar to what Defkalion had reported.
>
> Now Holmlid tells why such observations are a result of muon
> production. Now, the picture becomes a little clearer, a common thread
> can be drawn to the point that if ionization production is not
> observed in a LENR experimental situation, then the power production
> of the reaction and even its existence is rightly questioned.
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:
> > Toomuch credit is being given to Me356 andDefkalion. For that matter,
> Mills
> > also has a troublesome history. His latest announcement seems curiously
> like
> > a 'Me too' response to .
> >
> > the E
> >
> > The discussion seems to accept the fraudulent claims and empowers them.
> If
> > this was a legalaction we would refer to the 'alledged energy
> production'.
> >
> > 
> > From: Jones Beene 
> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 1:15 PM
> > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Axil Axil  If LENR is heavily deployed in a high density urban
> > housing situation, then a dense field of general muon interference will
> > produce a impossible to shield zone of electronic and electrical failure.
> > 
> >
> > There is a well-known way to mollify this problem affordably, and provide
> > extra energy at the same time. Lead itself is way too expensive.
> >
> > The idea is to capture muons in a thick jacket around the reactor. Very
> > thick. The only way to do this cheaply is specialty concrete.
> >
> > 10 feet thickness of specialty concrete which is made with the addition
> of
> > iron ore and lead ore to Portland cement will convert 90% of muons into
> low
> > grade heat. Copper tubing can remove the heat. Not fancy, but ideal for
> > places like northern China and Russia which can use lots of low grade
> heat.
> > A dollar of lead ore is superior to $100 of lead metal.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Vo]:The $100 muon detector

[Teslaalset]

http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/the-100-muon-detector

Re: [Vo]:It Just Works - Simple engineering scale up for PdD wet cold fusion

[Teslaalset]

What happened with your work Russ?
Why wasn’t it taken to the next level?

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> It is bothersome how so many in the LENR field offer nothing but disdain
> for PdD wet cells. It seems to me that MP’s boiling cell might be readily
> engineered to become a useful commercial product. (Mitch Swartz’s Nanor’s
> might work as well.) Take for example it the cell nominally occupies 2cc of
> volume in a massive array. Each piece of Pd in a common pool of D2O held
> under very high pressure and thus higher temperature would contribute to
> the sum of heat produced at say 10 watts per unit. Gather 100,000 unit
> cells together and the system would produce a million watts. Share the
> electrical power amongst the units via a duty cycle allowing a tiny
> fraction of the power to be required to keep them fusing and the OU output
> ratio, COP, would be spectacular.
>
>
>
> In my work producing prodigious heat and helium using transient asymmetric
> cavitation fusion (TACF) where observed outputs of hundreds of watts was
> routinely achieved a similar massive array would easily perform in the same
> way in a highly pressurized reactor vessel to allow higher temperature
> operation. Nice thing about my TACF, (pronounced tac-f) is titanium was a
> superb metal, better than palladium, not nearly so good as silver but
> silver’s fusion reactivity is so high that it is nigh unto impossible to
> keep it intact as it melts almost instantly (in room temp D2)) when loaded
> with D2 and activated.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:The identifty of a catalyst that was known in 1966 or earlier

[Teslaalset]

Don't forget that Rossi initially had a business in waste conversion to
bio-fuel.


On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> You ignore the finding of 4He in my improvements upon and replication of
> the Case catalyst.
> http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/03/wired-magazine-report-on-cold-fusion-includes-segment-on-my-work/
>
>
>
> *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:47 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:The identifty of a catalyst that was known in 1966 or
> earlier
>
>
>
> Connect the dots… (none of these items mean much alone, but all of them
> come together in the end)
>
> Dot #1. Here is the original observation of a possible thermal anomaly in
> phenanthrene, dating from 1966 by Arndt and Damask, which reported 380
> cal/mole unexplainable gain at  around 70°C.
>
> http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/45/2/10.1063/1.1727640
>
> Dot #2. Mizuno’s 2008 paper on phenanthrene is here:
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTanomaloushb.pdf
>
> Mizuno based his work on anecdotal thermal anomalies of coal tar from
> Japan, going back to the 1940s. The reports were similar to Arndt. Dot #3- 
> Phenanthrene
> is often the most stable aromatic component of coal tar or charcoal - due
> to Clar’s rule, but other similar compounds may be active for thermal gain
> when hydrogen is present.
>
> Dot #4. Les Case saw thermal gain using a catalyst made of charcoal and
> palladium. Surprisingly the gain could have come from the aromatic.
> Phenanthrene and related aromatics make up most of any type of pyrolyzed 
> organic
> material like coconut shells.
>
> http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CaseLCcatalyticf.pdf
>
> Dot #5. Dennis Cravens saw long term significant thermal gain at low
> temperature in his famous NI Week demo using the Case carbon – along with
> added magnetism. His catalyst not doubt contained substantial phenanthrene
> and other aromatics.
>
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/08/02/dennis-craven-demo-for-niweek/
>
> Dot #6. Larsen’s excellent slide-show on phenanthrene and other aromatics
> (PAHs) is here:
>
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llctechnical-overviewpahs-and-lenrsnov-25-2009
>
> Dot #7. Lastly, Focardi and Rossi acknowledged Mizuno’s work and un-named
> catalysts, according to Passerini and others who have suspected a
> phenanthrene connection.
>
> Since as far back as the Petroldragon story, a secret catalyst was used
> to turn waste from old tires into liquid fuel. Thus, phenanthrene would
> have been known to Rossi when the Mizuno report came out in 2008, but if this
> led to the E-Cat … (and it could have been the prime inspiration), it was
> not mentioned in ECat patents … In short, Rossi could not patent
> phenanthrene, due to Mizuno’s prior art, even if he used it beforehand - so
> it had to remain a secret.
>
> Connecting the dots, the aromatic compound phenanthrene could be the
> “secret sauce” catalyst that only works in the low temperature versions of
> E-Cat. It will boil water but not much more. It only works for low gain and
> will degrade at high temperature. “Low gain” is defined herein as gain of
> less that COP=2 … but make no mistake, this low-cost catalyst would still
> be extraordinarily valuable to society, if proved scientifically, even if
> it’s only use is for hot water.
>
> I am assuming that -- although IH reports (in sworn documents) to NOT having
> witnessed excess heat at all from Rossi, nor having scientific evidence
> that any ECat actually produced thermal gain, that some prior versions
> did work for low gain, at low temperature. That combination of facts would
> mean that these E-Cat versions were actually suppressed by the inventor
> himself. Why?
>
> Simple. Under the contract with IH, thermal gain with COP less than 2 was
> not just worthless, it was harmful to Rossi as it would have meant no
> bonus payment at all. Thus, low gain could not be admitted, despite its
> value to the rest of science. What a predicament. Nevertheless, based on
> the strong evidence from Cravens and the prior work of Mizuno - one can
> make a good case for phenanthrene being a key route to modest thermal gain
> at low temperature.
>
> Why are Mizuno and Cravens not replicated?? Apparently, low gain at low
> power is not very interesting to replicators.
>
> Yet - it is of extreme importance to the field of LENR to replicate these
> experiments immediately, since Rossigate has created nothing but turmoil,
> and will consume the field for the next year.
>
> Craven’s demo, or something like it at a larger scale, needs to be
> demonstrated ASAP – with tens of watts of excess heat ongoing for months
> using low input power.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Teslaalset]

 Say... maybe I should rush this idea off to USPTO : Too late, you made
this prior art by posting it on this public reflector.


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: mix...@bigpond.com
>
> > Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in
> everyone's arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of everything.
> that is the big scare.
>
> >> Probably not, since, as you have previously pointed out, enriched Ni62
> is
> available for purchase, and hence 13 Ni62 atoms have already been assembled
> in billions of crystals, without dire consequence.
>
> Yes, Robin - but perhaps the normal use of the isotope as an accelerator
> target is not sufficient to achieve a transition to the super-Higgs. As you
> say, an anomaly would have been seen. Has anyone added cryogenics?
>
> It could require the condensate in order to make the transition, and not
> just the BEC but also an source of very sharp implosion such as a chirped
> laser pulse. Otherwise, someone would have noticed some anomaly with it
> already, since the use of the isotope itself is fairly common in medicine.
>
> One suggestion to test the possibility would be fabrication of a laser
> target composed only of the Ni-62 isotope, possibly plated into a hohlraum
> -
> which is brought to near absolute zero in temperature - and thus the nickel
> is in the condensed state to begin with. Magnetization could help to
> achieve
> the BEC.
>
> Say... maybe I should rush this idea off to USPTO.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

[Teslaalset]

An active anode/cathode construction is not necessary at all to enable
electrons to gain energy amount of 100 KeV.
High voltage can be generated at nano scale using ferro-electric,
magneto-electric or piezo-electric (nano)materials.
Read Pekka Soininen's patent applications and you'll find this has already
been claimed.

Re: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

[Teslaalset]

Yes, that may be the confusion. I found that quote, its on Lenr forum
<https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2991-Forget-about-the-E-Cat-It-never-worked-Replicators-and-the-Forum-should-focus-on/?postID=16905#post16905>
by Sveinn himself. Thanks for pointing out.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:

>
>
> This appears to be misunderstanding of a post from Ólafsson in which he
> says that the Holmlid reaction works at 100C whereas the Rossi HT reaction
> requires 1200C.
>
>
>
> Ólafsson did not mean it worked at 100C without a laser, of course. It
> still requires a laser pulse or equivalent, and given the wavelength of
> that pulse – the corresponding local temperature is something like 25,000
> degrees, even if the average temperature in the reactor is only 100C.
>
>
>
> *From:* Teslaalset
>
>
>
> I can’t find that news on Ólafsson confirming an active reaction (UDD/UDH)
> using heat. Anyone with a valid link to that item?
>
>
>
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
>
>
>  Ólafsson has gotten the reaction (LENR?) to work without LASER
> activation...just by using heat. I remember somebody tell us about this a
> few days ago.
>

Re: [Vo]: MFMP GS5.3 - a replication

[Teslaalset]

I can’t find that news on Ólafsson confirming an active reaction (UDD/UDH)
using heat. Anyone with a valid link to that item?


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

>  Ólafsson has gotten the reaction (LENR?) to work without LASER
> activation...just by using heat. I remember somebody tell us about this a
> few days ago.
>

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

[Teslaalset]

It seems to me that the whole clash between IH and Rossi is not about
patents or test results but about progress that Rossi has been making (and
probably still is making) which is not clearly included in the agreements.
The original agreement was made when Rossi was concentrating on the
so-called 'hotcat' technology. In case the hotcat concept would work within
the boundaries of the agreement IH would pay Rossi the remaining millions.
This included the trade secrets to prepare the hotcat 'fuel' which is not
described sufficiently in the patent applications. All this includes a
working concept based on hotcat technology able to work with COP => 6.

Meanwhile Rossi has made significant progress in understanding how his
hotcat process works and can be improved. He calls this the x-cat
technology, the next generation e-cat technology. These insights and
progression makes hotcat methods probably obsolete because of x-cat
superiority. In my view the whole fight that emerged between IH and Rossi
is not whether conditions have been met, but whether knowledge of the x-cat
should be included or not.

Rossi points out that the 'old' conditions in the agreement are still met
(implemented with hotcat methods) and that IH therefore should fulfil the
agreed payment. For IH this hotcat knowledge transfer is not profitable
anymore now Rossi has his x-cat technology in his pocket.



On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 5:51 AM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

> That's your belief. If you are satisfied with it, then it's good. It
> doesn't matter now. If what Rossi says is true, the technology will soon
> spread. Otherwise, it's all a lie.
>
> 2016-04-09 22:56 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
>>
>> Defkalion never responded to Gamberale. They never disputed the report,
>> or published a rebuttal. So I am confident Gamberale's version of events is
>> accurate.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fw: new message

[Teslaalset]

Vortex Moderator: remove this user. He’s forwarding malware.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:05 PM,  wrote:

> Hey!
>
>
>
> *Open message* http://khosex.net/secret.php
> 
>
>
>
> kowals...@mail.montclair.edu
>

Re: [Vo]:the expected LENR Surprise Rossi's long time test over!Re:

[Teslaalset]

Rossi does not have any obligations to anyone except probably Darden
because he invested in his technology development. He is an entrepreneur
and not somebody who is payed by society. What he tells us and what he
doesn’t tell us is up to him.

The field he is trying to explore is unique and started by pure
experimenting things. Some of his findings contradict conclusions on
earlier ones. Some find that amateuristic and unreliable but in fact it is
quite understandable if you think about it for a moment.

>From what currently has been shared by Rossi it’s very clear that the core
principle of creating LENR his way is extremely simple compared to what the
ITR community is doing. Rossi understands very well that it will be very
hard for him to control the market with his technology. Secondly he, in the
mean time, also knows that this technology is so new and not well
understood that his progression is mainly based on trial and error, so
sharing all details will compromise his reputation if there is lot of
contradiction in his shared insights. An example of that can be noticed
from the patent applications he has filed so far. Originally he indicated
that nickel powder requires a catalyst, later he claims that nickel powder
is the catalyst. This shows he’s still building up knowledge. I bet there
will be completely new claims to follow that may contradict some of his
earlier ones.

Give Rossi a bit more credit on what he shares and what he doesn’t share.
>From his angle it very understandable.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Jed Rothwell 
wrote:

> Russ George  wrote:
>
> What part of my qualifying word about Rossi’s test “as openly” did you not
>> understand.
>>
>
> I understand perfectly, but I disagree. He has not been very open. He has
> repeatedly withheld critical details. He has refused to answer questions,
> or to allow qualified people to attend his demonstrations. Other
> researchers have been more open than this.
>
> As I said, he has no obligation to be open. No one could object if he kept
> everything secret. But, if you are going to be open, and you wish to
> establish credibility, I think you should be more forthcoming than he has
> been. Assuming the machine works as claimed, it would not be difficult to
> do a definitive test with many qualified witnesses. Of course it might not
> work on the day you try to do a test. In that case, you try again some
> other day.
>
> I do not see the point of doing a demonstration if you do not wish to
> establish credibility. I think you should either do a good job, or do
> nothing.
>
>
>
>> I see no complaints about Rossi’s work coming from those who have a
>> history of work at the lab bench as opposed to the keyboards.
>>
>
> Many professional and academic scientists in this field have complained
> about Rossi. Most of them have the same objections I do: the tests are
> often sloppy and poorly documented.
>
>
>
>> I am all for an open society, let’s begin with the revelation of all
>> computer code everywhere.
>>
>
> Open source code is very popular these days.
>
> Rossi is engaged in commercial development, so obviously he cannot reveal
> technical details before he files a patent application. However, there is
> no need to reveal such details. IBM, Intel and many other companies
> demonstrate products in a convincing fashion without revealing technical
> details. Rossi could easily convince expert observers by doing good
> calorimetry with a black-box device. Many people have urged him to do that,
> but he refuses.
>
> McKubre speculates that Rossi does not want to establish credibility. He
> wants there to be a margin of doubt about his work, to reduce competition.
> Perhaps that is true. I wouldn't know, and I will not speculate about the
> reasons. But I am sure this is deliberate. Rossi told me repeatedly that he
> will not allow "tests" but only demonstrations. He told me he will do
> nothing to improve the calorimetry. Many qualified people have recommended
> improvements. He categorically refused to consider these suggestions.
> Again, let me reaffirm that he has every right to do things his way, and to
> refuse advice, but his credibility suffers because of it.
>
> I am talking about the calorimetry in his public demonstrations. I have no
> knowledge of the calorimetry in his lab or in the 1-year test.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fw: new message

[Teslaalset]

Moderator: Please block this member

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 4:12 PM,  wrote:

> Hey!
>
>
>
> *Open message* http://thermoacabados.com/of.php
> 
>
>
>
> kowals...@mail.montclair.edu
>

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

[Teslaalset]

Bob, the products they make available are not to be compared with consumer
end-products. It's a limited batch of prototypes. For such a test batch 1
year of guarantee is not too bad.

I agree that the term 'never dying battery' is probably wrong for these
test products, since the electret module is combined with a lithium ion
battery which we all know lasts only 300 - 1000 charge cycles. It could be
combined with supercapacitors which would fit the term a bit better.

The upcoming months will show how real their demo products are.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> It only has a 1 year guarantee.  So, perpetual charging is not
> guaranteed.  Seems like that if you were going to make the claim that it
> NEVER needs charging, then you should at least offer a 10 year guarantee so
> as to make it better than the best lithium battery.  Reality is that even
> if the electret is a perpetual source, the internal lithium battery charge
> buffer will not be.
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Esa J. Ruoho  wrote:
>>
>> "Never charge battery".
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

[Teslaalset]

Ron, this patent application requires an energy source by means of a Van de
Graaf generator to generate voltage output by means of a high electrical
field provided. Van den Graaf generators do not run without input energy.

Steorn claims are based on a charge generator that does not have a
conventional input source.
Remains the question: what is the energy source this Steorn battery is
tapping from?
Environmental temperature changes or Earth magnetic field variations are
out of order because the energy density Steorn demonstrates does not fit
these potential sources.

My personal guess is that they use 'metal - semiconductor' junctions
to
generate the high electrical field that is required to generate charge by
means of electret materials. Some electret materials
 also have semiconductor
properties, so such combination would fit their claims. In other words the
Van de Graaf generator in your indicated patent application is substituted
by 'metal - semiconductor' mechanism.


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Ron Kita  wrote:

> Greetings Vortex,
>
> I was wondering IF it will be possible to compare the Orbo Battery with
> the Power Source Patent of my late Lockheeed Martin friend. Boyd
> Bushman:
>
> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2=HITOFF=1=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html=14=G=50=AND=PTXT=%22bushman+boyd%22=%22bushman+boyd%22=%22bushman+boyd%22
>
> From December 31, 1996.
>
> Ad astra,
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
> Few appreciate that a Homocharged electretgoes to.. Discharge then
> Self-Recharges.  This is worthy of a Google search.
>

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

[Teslaalset]

The most likely radio wave source would be a WiFi router.
In Europe, Wifi routers are restricted to 100 mW RF output.
The energy harvesting Steorn demonstrated with their USB hub is 0.4 Watt.
That would suggest they fake their demo's with a dedicated focused RF
source.
But since they roll out test devices that are claimed to work I would not
rely on RF harvesting alone. Maybe a combination.

Re: [Vo]:Iron oxide, hydrogen and a mechanism for densification

[Teslaalset]

Good point. Embrittlement could indeed be coupled to UHD.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Typically, in the production of iron, hematite is reduced using coke or
> coal… almost never with hydrogen. That is because there are known problems
> with hydrogen, besides cost.
>
>
>
> The main reason for using carbon is that coal and coke is extremely cheap
> – and it takes a lot of it, but hydrogen when present tends to cause
> “hydrogen embrittlement” in iron, which could be related to UDH. In fact,
> coke is used instead of coal because it has no hydrogen content.
>
>
>
> Embrittlement, in severe cases is related to long time exposure to
> hydrogen, and this could indicate that some of the damage is being caused
> by UDH, as it densifies and penetrates. IOW, any hydrogen exposure to iron
> causes problems – and the longer the exposure, the worse the problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* Teslaalset
>
>
>
> Ø  wouldn't that have caused numeral problems at traditional production
> of magnetite using 3Fe2O3 + H2 → 2Fe3O4 +H2O, assuming UDH can be made in
> a similar manner ? Holmlid indicated in one of his papers that UDH can be
> formed as well using Shell 105 catalyst.
>
> The “leap of faith” and it is large… is that in a matrix of iron-oxide,
> loaded with pressurized deuterium which is absorbed (and is bosonic) there
> will be an continuous oscillation and change in volume of the nanopores,
> when hematite changes to magnetite and back again – and this oscillation will
> create shock waves which are comparable at that small geometry, to what
> Holmlid sees with laser pulses. These would occur at IR frequencies in a
> heated pressure vessel, which is also magnetized. Because of the IR,
> there could be a plasmonic effect.
>
> The nano shock waves would be combined with large changes in local
> magnetism, as the phase shifts from ferromagnetic ordering to 
> antiferromagnetic
> rapidly. There is likely to be a contribution from DCE – the dynamical
> Casimir effect.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Iron oxide, hydrogen and a mechanism for densification

[Teslaalset]

Bob, forming of molecular Hydrogen is indeed often mentioned by
embrittlement experts, but imagine what would happen when sufficient UDH
inside metal lattices would be activated.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My understanding of at least the conventional thinking of hydrogen
> embrittlement of irons has to do with internal dislocations and vacancies
> in the iron.  The hydrogen can penetrated iron in its neutral monatomic
> form but cannot as H2.  When the hydrogen gets loaded into the iron as a
> monatomic species and encounters a void/dislocation/vacancy, it may hang
> around in there long enough for it to encounter another monatomic hydrogen
> and then it forms an H2 molecule.  The H2 molecule cannot escape.
> Eventually more and more H2 molecules are formed in the void and it becomes
> high pressure, putting a great deal of stress on the lattice causing the
> embrittlement.
>
> In the UHD form, the hydrogen would simply escape from the void; and thus,
> UHD would seem to be counter to that which I think of as embrittlement of
> iron.
>
> Also, keep in mind that most FexOy catalysts are formed as fine oxide (+
> alkali) particles that are agglomerated into a larger, but highly porous
> body.  These are not like rust on an iron slug.  The whole idea is for H2
> to be able to breathe through the material.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Teslaalset <robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good point. Embrittlement could indeed be coupled to UHD.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Typically, in the production of iron, hematite is reduced using coke or
>>> coal… almost never with hydrogen. That is because there are known problems
>>> with hydrogen, besides cost.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The main reason for using carbon is that coal and coke is extremely
>>> cheap – and it takes a lot of it, but hydrogen when present tends to cause
>>> “hydrogen embrittlement” in iron, which could be related to UDH. In fact,
>>> coke is used instead of coal because it has no hydrogen content.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Embrittlement, in severe cases is related to long time exposure to
>>> hydrogen, and this could indicate that some of the damage is being caused
>>> by UDH, as it densifies and penetrates. IOW, any hydrogen exposure to iron
>>> causes problems – and the longer the exposure, the worse the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Teslaalset
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ø  wouldn't that have caused numeral problems at traditional production
>>> of magnetite using 3Fe2O3 + H2 → 2Fe3O4 +H2O, assuming UDH can be made
>>> in a similar manner ? Holmlid indicated in one of his papers that UDH can
>>> be formed as well using Shell 105 catalyst.
>>>
>>> The “leap of faith” and it is large… is that in a matrix of iron-oxide,
>>> loaded with pressurized deuterium which is absorbed (and is bosonic) there
>>> will be an continuous oscillation and change in volume of the
>>> nanopores, when hematite changes to magnetite and back again – and this
>>> oscillation will create shock waves which are comparable at that small
>>> geometry, to what Holmlid sees with laser pulses. These would occur at
>>> IR frequencies in a heated pressure vessel, which is also magnetized.
>>> Because of the IR, there could be a plasmonic effect.
>>>
>>> The nano shock waves would be combined with large changes in local
>>> magnetism, as the phase shifts from ferromagnetic ordering to 
>>> antiferromagnetic
>>> rapidly. There is likely to be a contribution from DCE – the dynamical
>>> Casimir effect.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Iron oxide, hydrogen and a mechanism for densification

[Teslaalset]

Beene, if below would be feasible, wouldn't that have caused numeral
problems at traditional production of magnetite using 3Fe2O3 + H2 → 2Fe3O4
 +H2O, assuming UDH can be made in a similar manner ? Holmlid indicated in
one of his papers that UDH can be formed as well using Shell 105 catalyst.



> The “leap of faith” and it is large… is that in a matrix of iron-oxide,
> loaded with pressurized deuterium which is absorbed (and is bosonic) there
> will be an continuous oscillation and change in volume of the nanopores,
> when hematite changes to magnetite and back again – and this oscillation will
> create shock waves which are comparable at that small geometry, to what
> Holmlid sees with laser pulses. These would occur at IR frequencies in a
> heated pressure vessel, which is also magnetized. Because of the IR,
> there could be a plasmonic effect.
>
> The nano shock waves would be combined with large changes in local
> magnetism, as the phase shifts from ferromagnetic ordering to a
> ntiferromagnetic rapidly. There is likely to be a contribution from DCE –
> the dynamical Casimir effect.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Iron oxide, hydrogen and a mechanism for densification

[Teslaalset]

Interesting thoughts, Jones.
Do you have any reference to past scientific work on this matter?
It seems to me you are referring to Bell’s Diagram?

The fact that Holmlid refers to Shell 105 catalyst (containing Fe2O3) may
indicate that this catalyst works but may not be the optimum catalyst to
produce UDD. Holmlid seems to be working at low gas pressures (<0.4 bar)
and low temperatures.


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Here are some factoids to toss around in pursuit of UDD on an industrial
> scale. This does not seem to be what Holmlid is doing, but it makes sense
> anyway, at least on paper.
>
> Magnetite is iron-oxide with the chemical formula is Fe3O4 ratio 1:1.33
> (iron to oxygen atoms)
>
> Hematite is iron-oxide with the chemical formula is Fe2O3 ratio 1:1.5 (iron
> to oxygen)
>
> There are striking differences in the physical properties of the two
> oxides – especially electrical conductivity and magnetic susceptibility.
> Oxygen can be strongly paramagnetic and can cause superparamagnetism at
> the nanoscale. Thus varying oxygen content of the oxide is the key.
>
> When hematite is combined with hydrogen and heat, some of the oxide will
> be reduced to magnetite and steam, but then then magnetite will be
> combined with steam and heat and be oxidized back to hematite.  This can
> happen rapidly, on a time scale of picoseconds. Thus, a shifting balance 
> between
> the two oxides is reached at equilibrium, when hematite is stored in the
> presence of pressurized deuterium and heat. The secondary results of this
> see-saw – nanomagnetism - should lead to hydrogen densification due to
> magnetic interactions.
>
> The two oxides have different, but similar, physical structure, based on
> hexagonal nanoporosity and will hold varying amounts of hydrogen. But
> rapid changes in magnetization would be the avenue leading to UDD.
>
> This process may sound similar to the deuterium uptake in palladium, seen
> in cold fusion… but in contrast the pores in iron-oxide are an order of
> magnitude larger and are in the range of the Casimir force, whereas the
> palladium matrix is too tight to benefit from Casimir dynamics.
>
> Specific gravity of iron: 7.84  g/cm3; Specific gravity of oxygen: 1.1
> g/cm3.
>
> Density of Magnetite: 5.175 g/cm3 (Measured); 5.20 g/cm3 (Calculated
> specific gravity).
>
> Density of Hematite: 5.15 g/cm3 (Measured); 5.30 gm/cm3 (Calculated
> specific gravity).
>
> Thus we can see that in comparing the two oxides, hematite “should be”
> less dense (than it is in actuality) based on its higher oxygen content and
> the lower specific gravity of oxygen. This means that magnetite has
> slightly greater nanoporosity but both are significantly nanoporous. It
> is the change in porosity, when going from H-to-M-to-H rapidly - which is
> important.
>
> When hydrogen enters the picture, as a gas - it is stored in the nanopores
> and becomes reactive, based on temperature - but as the oxides change
> from H (hematite) to M (magnetite) and back again, trillions of times per
> second, the net effect is like a pump, or a piston engine. Rapid change
> is pressurization and magnetization could set the stage for gradual
> densification over time. Temperature control would be important.
>
> Based on these parameters, it should be possible to make significant
> amounts of UDD over an extended time period, simply by storing
> pressurized deuterium in iron-oxide - at temperature near the Néel
> temperature of ~950 K (675 C) … for weeks to months. Something similar
> may happen with nickel-oxides at lower temps, but being less reactive,
> not as robust. The chances of success with this kind of static
> densification technique would seem be far greater with iron-oxides than
> nickel oxides.
>
> Jones
>

Re: [Vo]:North Korea... and the UDD "candle"?

[Teslaalset]

There may still be the issue of sufficient lifetime of UDD to be resolved
though.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:54 AM, John Berry  wrote:

> Jones, I appreciate the recap.
>
> But while I appreciate that there may be breakthroughs and perhaps this
> one goes above the level my post considered...
>
> I was talking about conventional nuclear weapons that are declassified.
> Not black projects, not experimental research.
>
> Now you do make a good point, but I'm not sure we really know what Holmlid
> is doing currently, especially me since this is outside my area of active
> interest really.
>
> I am not sure if can be considered settled sciences well known to create a
> suitcase H-bomb with conventional nuclear yield.
> Are you sure it can be?
> If so that is scary!
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> You still are not on the right page, John.
>>
>> I think this is because you are unaware of Leif Holmlid’s work, and how
>> that work fits into the big picture of World politics. Holmlid is
>> showing complete mass conversion of nucleons into energy, which is a
>> step above nuclear fusion. He has been publishing this in peer reviewed
>> journals for a decade but AFAIK, none of his important experiments are
>> independently replicated, at least not in the USA.
>>
>> I will try to be more specific on the details. Going back to the
>> original premise, if we can believe both Professor Holmlid and North K
>> orea – then what we are facing is precarious situation for World Peace
>> which could be worse than imagined by experts. The points to consider
>> and combine are:
>>
>> 1)  Holmlid has presented a technique to make an ultra-dense from of
>> deuterium (UDD) which has a nucleon separation of 2.3 picometers.
>>
>> 2)  This material has been shown to be much easier to fuse than
>> normal deuterium. In fact, Holmlid can fuse UDD and even cause complete
>> nucleon disintegration, using only a milliwatt laser for triggering.
>>
>> 3)  NK has been involved in LENR since about 2001, according to an
>> earlier press release. They certainly are capable of doing sophisticated 
>> research
>> in nuclear physics and can be assumed to have read Holmlid’s papers.
>>
>> 4)  NK has this week tested what they call a compact “hydrogen bomb”
>> but the yield is in the range of few kilotons – far less than a fission
>> triggered fusion type of H-bomb and less than a boosted design.
>>
>> 5)  This combination of salient facts, if true, leads to only a few c
>> onclusions about what is really going on behind the scenes.
>>
>> 6)  One conclusion, which may be unlikely but which cannot be
>> ignored, is that NK has managed to make enough of the Holmlid deuterium
>> (UDD), or even UDDT, to weaponized.
>>
>> 7)  The great risk of open-research on the internet is that an
>> exotic material such as UDD, which can be easily converted into energy,
>> can be produced and disintegrated without a fission trigger by a Rogue
>> Nation or well-funded terrorist group.
>>
>> 8)  For instance, if you do the numbers to extrapolate from Holmlid’s
>> tests to the 5 kiloton explosion which did happen this week – then it is
>> possible that a few grams of UDD could produce that kind of result if
>> fully disintegrated into muons. The ratio for comparative energy of UDD
>> to TNT is about one billion to one. The NK could even have used laser
>> triggering.
>>
>>
>> For a sardonic laugh, imagine 1,000 laser-pointers surrounding a tiny fuel
>> pellet like mini version of NIF.
>>
>>
>> *From:* John Berry
>>
>> Looking it up, Boosted Fission if a Fission-Fusion bomb where the Fusion
>> instead of being the main event is merely a minor improver of Fission
>> efficiency.
>>
>> Fusion Fission (as a bomb) is not possibly according to anything
>> declassified or any known physics within reason.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:North Korea... and the UDD "candle"?

[Teslaalset]

Holmlid suggests 0.18 s lifetime possible. See:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/244327849_Formation_of_long-lived_Rydberg_states_of_H_2_at_K_impregnated_surfaces

Question is, when UDD realy exists, does it allow to store in metal
lattices (e.g. Nickel) and when so, will this expand it’s lifetime?



On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Teslaalset <robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> There may still be the issue of sufficient lifetime of UDD to be resolved
> though.
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:54 AM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jones, I appreciate the recap.
>>
>> But while I appreciate that there may be breakthroughs and perhaps this
>> one goes above the level my post considered...
>>
>> I was talking about conventional nuclear weapons that are declassified.
>> Not black projects, not experimental research.
>>
>> Now you do make a good point, but I'm not sure we really know what
>> Holmlid is doing currently, especially me since this is outside my area
>> of active interest really.
>>
>> I am not sure if can be considered settled sciences well known to create
>> a suitcase H-bomb with conventional nuclear yield.
>> Are you sure it can be?
>> If so that is scary!
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You still are not on the right page, John.
>>>
>>> I think this is because you are unaware of Leif Holmlid’s work, and how
>>> that work fits into the big picture of World politics. Holmlid is
>>> showing complete mass conversion of nucleons into energy, which is a
>>> step above nuclear fusion. He has been publishing this in peer reviewed
>>> journals for a decade but AFAIK, none of his important experiments are
>>> independently replicated, at least not in the USA.
>>>
>>> I will try to be more specific on the details. Going back to the
>>> original premise, if we can believe both Professor Holmlid and North K
>>> orea – then what we are facing is precarious situation for World Peace
>>> which could be worse than imagined by experts. The points to consider
>>> and combine are:
>>>
>>> 1)  Holmlid has presented a technique to make an ultra-dense from
>>> of deuterium (UDD) which has a nucleon separation of 2.3 picometers.
>>>
>>> 2)  This material has been shown to be much easier to fuse than
>>> normal deuterium. In fact, Holmlid can fuse UDD and even cause complete
>>> nucleon disintegration, using only a milliwatt laser for triggering.
>>>
>>> 3)  NK has been involved in LENR since about 2001, according to an
>>> earlier press release. They certainly are capable of doing sophisticated 
>>> research
>>> in nuclear physics and can be assumed to have read Holmlid’s papers.
>>>
>>> 4)  NK has this week tested what they call a compact “hydrogen
>>> bomb” but the yield is in the range of few kilotons – far less than a
>>> fission triggered fusion type of H-bomb and less than a boosted design.
>>>
>>> 5)  This combination of salient facts, if true, leads to only a few
>>> conclusions about what is really going on behind the scenes.
>>>
>>> 6)  One conclusion, which may be unlikely but which cannot be
>>> ignored, is that NK has managed to make enough of the Holmlid deuterium
>>> (UDD), or even UDDT, to weaponized.
>>>
>>> 7)  The great risk of open-research on the internet is that an
>>> exotic material such as UDD, which can be easily converted into energy,
>>> can be produced and disintegrated without a fission trigger by a Rogue
>>> Nation or well-funded terrorist group.
>>>
>>> 8)  For instance, if you do the numbers to extrapolate from Holmlid’s
>>> tests to the 5 kiloton explosion which did happen this week – then it
>>> is possible that a few grams of UDD could produce that kind of result if
>>> fully disintegrated into muons. The ratio for comparative energy of UDD
>>> to TNT is about one billion to one. The NK could even have used laser
>>> triggering.
>>>
>>>
>>> For a sardonic laugh, imagine 1,000 laser-pointers surrounding a tiny fuel
>>> pellet like mini version of NIF.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* John Berry
>>>
>>> Looking it up, Boosted Fission if a Fission-Fusion bomb where the Fusion
>>> instead of being the main event is merely a minor improver of Fission
>>> efficiency.
>>>
>>> Fusion Fission (as a bomb) is not possibly according to anything
>>> declassified or any known physics within reason.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Reveal

[Teslaalset]

Less tax? I don’t think so. If energy tax will be minimized, governments
will compensate by raising other taxes. Never the less, let’s hope Rossi’s
technology will be replicated and become available openly in 2016. Happy
2016!

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Andrea Rossi
> January 1st, 2016 at 12:19 AM
>
> Dear Readers of the JoNP:
> It’s 00.00.01″ of January 1st 2016.
> Update: the 1 MW E-Cat is stable and in ssm, the E-Cat X is very promising
> and still operating and making heat, electricity.
> The E-Cat X is very close to the design of the core of the apparatus
> described in the US Patent, I mean the wafer. It has been engineered to
> resist to very high temperatures. The electricity exits directly from the
> wafer.
> As I said , several nights ago I had a dream. The E-Cat X had been
> produced in billions pieces, each of them assembled with others in various
> combinations to make public lamps: a town was totally illuminated by the
> E-Cat X and from every lamp a network of pipes and of wires was able to
> distribute heat and electricity to the houses.
> In that town there were about 1 million lamps each of them of 500 watts,
> consuming about 50 watts; consequently, there were 450 MWh/h produced, of
> which about half were turned into heat distributed to the houses through a
> network of well insulated pipes, running inderground, like optic fibers,
> the other half was used to enlight the town and to distribute electricity
> to the households. The cost of the E-Cat X was around 50 $/kW of power, due
> to the production of billions of pieces per year in all the world, with
> tens of thousands of jobs. Less taxes were paid by the people, due to the
> saves derived from low pollution and low energy cost for public services.
> Millions of persons were also earning money selling E-Cats and every owner
> of E-Cats was saving money in utilities ( electricity, heat, light).
> Then I heard the alarm clock: it was time to return to the factory, to
> make true the dream. F9.
> Happy new year, I love you all.
> I am drinking my cup of Korbel champagne, then i have to return to the
> gauges of the plant. She is good, tonight.
> Again, Happy 2016, May God bless you all,
> Andrea
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Press Release - ​INDEPENDENT TECHNICAL VALIDATION REPORT COMPLETED ON BRILLOUIN

[Teslaalset]

Mr. Halem and mr. Guillemin both are members of lenr-invest, which to me
brings doubts regarding independent evaluation, see
lenr-invest.com/index.php/about-us/management

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Here is a vague press release from Brillouin. It says that someone named
> Michael Halem did tests to confirm Brillouin's claims. He wrote a 35-page
> Technical Validation Report. But there is no copy of the report available,
> and no indication of what he did or what the report says, or for that
> matter, who he is. I have no idea what to make of this.
>
> See:
>
> Press Release - INDEPENDENT TECHNICAL VALIDATION REPORT COMPLETED ON
> BRILLOUIN
>
>
> http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2349-Press-Release-%E2%80%8BINDEPENDENT-TECHNICAL-VALIDATION-REPORT-COMPLETED-ON-BRILLOUIN/
>
>
> http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/465-Brillouin-Press-Release-Technical-Validation-Report-12-1-15-pdf/
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Teslaalset]

Bob, this is not targeted at end-consumers, but potential licensees, to
allow evaluation of their granted patent and potential trade secrets
included in the license deal. These prototypes also will allow those who
want to understand the physics, e.g. universities. What they currently show
is far from matured applications and integration. The first home VCR also
weighted 15Kg. I'd like my mobile phone having this technology embedded.




On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> That may be true, but they are only guaranteeing that it will work for 1
> year.  And, it is not clear that they are guaranteeing that it will still
> produce 10WH / day at the end of one year.  The internal lithium battery
> will probably only last about 2 years.  That is a total of about 3.6kWH of
> electricity, or about $3.60 worth for $1300 for the device.  It may be
> worth the price as an experiment demonstrating the novel physics involved,
> but for nothing else.  If it really does involve new physics, the cost
> would have to decline by a factor of >100 before it would have an impact on
> society.  Keep in mind that you could provide the same daily energy from a
> couple of solar cells and a voltage boosting inverter for less than $10 in
> parts if you are looking or an emergency phone charger.  And the solar
> charger would weigh less and last longer.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Teslaalset]

Price is 1200 Euro
Power generation is 0.4W
Energy is roughly 10Wh
Weight is 300 grams, most of it is due to the aluminum casing.
Even in a Feraday cage the device works.
It’s not sensitive to geographic orientation.
They have a granted patent on this.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Esa Ruoho  wrote:

> Well, I'm watching the replay of the webinar, at
>  https://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153326632242672/
>
> when I tuned in to the actual broadcast, they said, 2.1amps, two full
> recharges of a smartphone, then 24 hours to recharge in case the battery
> ran out.
>
> Did I get it right, Craig? I stand corrected if I got it wrong.
>
> Oh, and the price? 1200€.
>
>

Re: [Vo]: Translation of Russian paper on Ni-H experiment

[Teslaalset]

I wonder whether they took the exothermic effects of hydrogen
absorption into account.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> What I would like to emphasize is that the first study described here was
> an independent, stand-alone observation of excess heat from the Ni-H
> system. There are not many studies like that. All the ones I know of were
> inspired by or linked to Mills, Piantelli or Rossi. Such results might be
> colored by wishful thinking. Or at least by the knowledge that someone else
> claimed heat from Ni-H, and the hope that the claim can be replicated. In
> contrast, this result apparently came as a surprise to the researchers.
> That is a good thing! It is promising.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]: Translation of Russian paper on Ni-H experiment

[Teslaalset]

Jed, there is contraditional info around, see:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360319914002389
(bottom of the page)



On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It seems to me that based on the given data it is possible to interpret
>> the temperature difference between the empty vessel and the vessel with
>> "fuel" ( their quotation marks) as resulting from either endothermic
>> activity or exothermic activity in the vessel with "fuel".
>>
>
> How can you have an endothermic reaction with an empty vessel?
>
>
> Teslaalset <robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I wonder whether they took the exothermic effects of hydrogen
>> absorption into account.
>>
>
> Hydrogen absorption is endothermic. Adsorption is exothermic but I believe
> overall the process is endothermic. See:
>
>
> http://eprints.lib.hokudai.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2115/24660/1/5(2)_P71-86.pdf
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

[Teslaalset]

Mats blog also indicates following remarks:

*Lundin and Lidgren have made a brief successful experiment and they have
verified the model through calculations against results from well-known
LENR experiments such as the Lugano report with Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat
.
Earlier 2015 they also filed a patent application describing the process.*

*“We did an experiment on our own but we stopped it. We realised that we
were sitting on a neutron source and that’s not something you should do in
your basement,” *

So, it seems they performed some tests on their model, confirming neutron
spallation and realizing a potential neutron challenge.

Also:
*The scientists are now preparing for a well-planned experiment with all
necessary safety measures, ideally with a transparent reactor body since
the effect according to the scientists releases a lot of light.*

[Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

[Teslaalset]

Published by Mats this morning:

Essentially no new physics but a little-known physical effect describing
matter’s interaction with electromagnetic fields — *ponderomotive Miller
forces* — would explain energy release and isotopic changes in LENR. This
is what Rickard Lundin and Hans Lidgren, two top level Swedish scientists,
claim, describing their theory in a paper called *Nuclear Spallation and
Neutron Capture Induced by Ponderomotive Wave Forcing* (full length paper
here
)
that will be presented on Friday, October 16, at the 11th International
Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals
, hosted by Airbus in Toulouse, France.

http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/#comment-3042

Article:
http://documents.irf.se/get_document.php?group=Administration=1772

Fwd: [Vo]:Translation of Parkhomov slides at recent Soshi meeting

[Teslaalset]

Re-send, I got a mail bounce on this message:


The Ni62 amendments to US2009125444 were sent to the patent office in April
2013 while Rossi’s patent US9115913B1 originated as filing in March 2012.
US91159B1 does not mention specifically Ni62 in the claims, but instead the
general term ‘Nickel’. These claims were not amended to be more specific at
a later stage in the patent process, probably for a very good reason.


On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:41 PM, > wrote:

> In reply to  Teslaalset's message of Sat, 3 Oct 2015 20:18:09 +0200:
> Hi,
>
> At that time didn't he still think that the primary reaction was Ni62 + H
> =>
> Cu63?
>
> If so, then specifying Ni62 explicitly would make sense because Cu63 is
> stable.
>

Re: [Vo]:Translation of Parkhomov slides at recent Soshi meeting

[Teslaalset]

Rossi’s patent application WO2009125444 had a major claim change on April
15, 2013 (initiated in the European patent family member EP2259998),
stating that the applied Nickel SHALL be Ni62. The discussed matter in this
discussion thread could well be tightly related to the amended claims
.

In recent granted patent, Rossi indicates that Nickel acts as catalyst, not
mentioning Ni62 specifically. Maybe this should be combined with Rossi’s
amended claims of WO2009125444

Rob Woudenberg


On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Eric Walker
>
>
>
> Ø  I do not assume anything at this point about what Industrial Heat knew
> or didn't know in connection with Rossi's preparation for the Lugano test.
>
>
>
> The patent in question is not in their name, so this doesn’t relate to
> them very much.
>
>
>
> Given the amount of money reportedly involved in the E-Cat licensing,
> there is a fair chance that IH was offered the patent rights as assignee -
> but refused, suspecting that this kind of problem would arise. Thus, IH
> appear to have taken a completely different approach in their own filing -
> and they have steered clear of this isotope issue.
>
>
>
> An interesting point is this regard is China, since IH has strong
> connections. It would be interesting to look at the Chinese patent filings
> to see what IH did file over there.
>
>
>
> The Chinese market for LENR could easily be larger than the US market –
> and possibly by a factor of 10 times, given the larger population and
> growing desire to cut down on dirty coal, and given there is no competition
> or interference from BIG OIL/ OPEC.
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Walker
>
>
>
> Intentionally fiddling around with the nickel isotopes without having an
> operational reason to do so strikes me as active sabotage of the ash assay,
> rather than passive standing back and allowing the Lugano team to
> concluding what they will.  So I have a hard time concluding anything but
> subterfuge in connection with this specific detail of the Lugano test if
> Bob's scenario is what occurred.  It is possible that there is a similar,
> but more benign, scenario that actually transpired.
>
>
>
> I'm personally holding out for an active role for the nickel, though.  :)
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Don’t forget that the Lugano report, containing the fallacious isotope
> data - was apparently submitted directly to the patent office as
> documentation for obtaining the IP. This detail was mentioned in AR’s
> blog, IIRC. It is probably one reason that Rossi got the expedited grant
> (in addition to age, which now allows an expedited process).
>
> That is where the real problem lies. See  “Manual of Patent Examining
> Procedure” Section 2016 on Fraud. This could be a costly problem which
> has repercussions far beyond the original filing. However, the USPTO does
> not do this kind of investigation – it will only come up in a challenge,
> and must be proved by the opposing party – which could be Piantelli.
>
> Thus us was a STUPID strategy to go to court with Piantelli so early. With
> “discovery” (the legal procedure) the truth about the isotopes could come
> out very soon.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Translation of Parkhomov slides at recent Soshi meeting

[Teslaalset]

I had included the link to the amended claims in the orginal posting, but
it seems including hyperlinks with a substitute does not work at Vortex.
Here is the
link: 
javascript:NewPDFWindow('application?documentId=EUIP5C400118284=EP08873805=en=false',
'EUIP5C400118284_EP08873805_en')


On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Teslaalset <robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Rossi’s patent application WO2009125444 had a major claim change on April
> 15, 2013 (initiated in the European patent family member EP2259998),
> stating that the applied Nickel SHALL be Ni62. The discussed matter in this
> discussion thread could well be tightly related to the amended claims.
>
> In recent granted patent, Rossi indicates that Nickel acts as catalyst,
> not mentioning Ni62 specifically. Maybe this should be combined with
> Rossi’s amended claims of WO2009125444
>
> Rob Woudenberg
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> *From:* Eric Walker
>>
>>
>>
>> Ø  I do not assume anything at this point about what Industrial Heat
>> knew or didn't know in connection with Rossi's preparation for the Lugano
>> test.
>>
>>
>>
>> The patent in question is not in their name, so this doesn’t relate to
>> them very much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Given the amount of money reportedly involved in the E-Cat licensing,
>> there is a fair chance that IH was offered the patent rights as assignee -
>> but refused, suspecting that this kind of problem would arise. Thus, IH
>> appear to have taken a completely different approach in their own filing -
>> and they have steered clear of this isotope issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> An interesting point is this regard is China, since IH has strong
>> connections. It would be interesting to look at the Chinese patent filings
>> to see what IH did file over there.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Chinese market for LENR could easily be larger than the US market –
>> and possibly by a factor of 10 times, given the larger population and
>> growing desire to cut down on dirty coal, and given there is no competition
>> or interference from BIG OIL/ OPEC.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Walker
>>
>>
>>
>> Intentionally fiddling around with the nickel isotopes without having an
>> operational reason to do so strikes me as active sabotage of the ash assay,
>> rather than passive standing back and allowing the Lugano team to
>> concluding what they will.  So I have a hard time concluding anything but
>> subterfuge in connection with this specific detail of the Lugano test if
>> Bob's scenario is what occurred.  It is possible that there is a similar,
>> but more benign, scenario that actually transpired.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm personally holding out for an active role for the nickel, though.  :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jones Beene wrote:
>>
>> Don’t forget that the Lugano report, containing the fallacious isotope
>> data - was apparently submitted directly to the patent office as
>> documentation for obtaining the IP. This detail was mentioned in AR’s
>> blog, IIRC. It is probably one reason that Rossi got the expedited grant
>> (in addition to age, which now allows an expedited process).
>>
>> That is where the real problem lies. See  “Manual of Patent Examining
>> Procedure” Section 2016 on Fraud. This could be a costly problem which
>> has repercussions far beyond the original filing. However, the USPTO
>> does not do this kind of investigation – it will only come up in a
>> challenge, and must be proved by the opposing party – which could be
>> Piantelli.
>>
>> Thus us was a STUPID strategy to go to court with Piantelli so early. With
>> “discovery” (the legal procedure) the truth about the isotopes could
>> come out very soon.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fortune mag. interviews Tom Darden

[Teslaalset]

And gues who’s trying to troll the article’s comments: Krivit and Yugo.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> From Jed:
>
>
>
> >>
> http://fortune.com/2015/09/27/ceo-cherokee-investment-partners-low-energy-nuclear-reaction/
>
>
>
> Excerpt:
>
>
>
> Q: What changed your mind?
>
>
>
> A: Scientists get locked into paradigms until the paradigm shifts. Then
> everyone happily shifts to the new truth and no one apologizes for being so
> stupid before. Low temperature fusion could be consistent with existing
> theories, we just don’t know how. It’s like when physicists say that
> according to the laws of aerodynamics bumblebees can’t fly but they do.
>
>
>
> Good response.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> OrionWorks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>

Re: [Vo]:STEORN in the news again:

[Teslaalset]

Orbo is basically a solid state refinement of what John Bedini has been
claimed for decades.
Remarkable that there is so limited scientific discussion on the key
principle of their patent: rapidly switching core permeability while a coil
carries current.

Since core permeability relates to inductor value and inductor value is
proportional to the energy an inductor holds, while carrying current,
rapidly switching coil core permeability rapidly changes the amount of
energy a coil holds.
Of course it takes energy to change core permeability but there may be a
time related overshoot in permeability change that could be harvested. It
may take significantly less energy to change core permeability than the
delta energy the related coil undergoes.

In the case of Orbo, according their patent, they use a Metglas toroid
shaped core to rapidly change the permeability of the air gap between two
ferrite cores. Metglas requires very little energy to saturate and has very
little core losses. Core losses of ferrite cores are also quite low.

The potential energy gains are small however, which could make a small
battery charger the ideal target application.
Larger power generation requires too much core material and copper to make
it economical feasible at this stage. The Watts/Kilogram ratio is currently
too low.



On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Craig Brown  wrote:

>
> According to a newspaper article last year sometime Steorn received a few
> million more Euros investment from their shareholders and other investors
> in the company. They don't seem to have any issue with funding, especially
> as they seem to be close to the finishing line at long last.
>
> The Orbo PowerCube is approx 9cm x 9cm, has no moving parts and can
> trickle charge mobile phones and the like from a single USB port on the
> device. They have recently been floating packaging ideas around and had
> also hired brand and internet consultants who are the ones I believe who
> came up with the new logo, so I think we could be seeing the first product
> hit the market by the end of the year - maybe a lot sooner.
>
> See one of my reports on this:
> http://freeenergy.news/steorn/pub-launch-for-steorns-orbo-powercube/
>
> Craig
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:STEORN in the news again:
> From: Analog Fan 
> Date: Wed, September 16, 2015 11:25 am
> To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" 
>
> On Friday, September 11, 2015 2:59 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>  wrote:
>
> >What I find interesting is that throughout all of these years the company
> apparently hasn't gone belly up. Despite all of its prior... how should I
> say this... spectacular failures, how is it possible for Steorn to continue
> to stay afloat?
>
>
> Steorn raised at least ten million euros from investors. According to
> http://moletrap.co.uk/forum/, Steorn's investors are primarily Irish
> farmers, not known for their physics knowledge. This is supported by
> documents e.g. http://www.scribd.com/doc/52869096/Steorn-B10-20110411
> where three directors named to the board list their occupation as 'farmer'.
>
>
> Gullible investors can sustain a company for many years (cf Rossi, BLP,
> EEstor, Rohner et al)
> >What comes next? Can somebody please pass the popcorn my way?
>
> I am sure those farmers aren't passing any popcorn.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:STEORN in the news again:

[Teslaalset]

Those are valid questions that maybe point to the source of surplus energy
that ORBO claims to have.
The energy gain due to permeability switching has to have a source. This
may very well be external (electro) magnetic fields indeed.
Smart design should be able to make it direction independent.


On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:46 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Does this type of energy generation require a residual flux be present
> from an exterior source such as leakage from the AC power network?  Also,
> can the system be positioned in any direction that results in a null or
> change to the energy level generated?
>
> Dave
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi beware!

[Teslaalset]

In the early days Rossi mentioned that heat is largely produced by
particles absorbed by the lead shielding, mentioning gamma radiation that
he had in mind.
How much is known about shielding requirements of muons (or related sub
particles)?



On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know about the cross section of muons. But, given the enormous
 energy, if those are discharged within some millenniums, it won't be a
 problem

 2015-08-10 15:16 GMT-03:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com:

 LENR thermalizes gamma rays into heat, but how far does the safety zone
 of LENR thermalization occur? If Rossi sits outside that zone of LENR
 protection, does his body feel gamma radiation from muon decay? What is the
 cross section for that gamma decay inside Rossi?

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 1 mol of muons measaure 0.1g.  10^26 gives around 15g of muons. Their
 decay in mass gives pretty much only gamma rays in terms of energy. That
 gives around 300ktons in TNT. Which is about 15 times Hiroshima's nuke.





 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:FYI: growing nanostructures in controlled manner on metals

[Teslaalset]

I wonder whether this effect is only applicable for Helium. The same would
in theory be applicable for Hydrogen. Re-combining gas ions to molecular
clusters within metal lattices may be the mechanism.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:44 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:

 FYI:  for some strange reason I thought this might be relevant to the LENR
 crowd.  J



 “Materials scientist Irem Tanyeli from energy research institute DIFFER
 has discovered how you can grow nanostructures in a controlled manner on a
 variety of metals, by bombarding the metals with helium particles.


 http://phys.org/news/2015-04-materials-fathoms-growth-nanostructures-metal.html
 http://phys.org/news/2015-04-materials-fathoms-growth-nanostructures-metal.html#jCp



 Also, wouldn’t that be a kicker, if the helium produced in a LENR device
 also ‘grew’ more nanostructures which were the right size to support more
 LENR!  Certainly would help to sustain the reaction…  ;-)



 -mark iverson

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Tracking exploding lithium-ion batteries in real-time

[Teslaalset]

They should perform isotopic analysis on those run aways.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:

  I just thought it was interesting that they were studying very similar
 conditions of thermal runaway with lithium using destructive charging and
 discharging procedures to initiate..and even their monitoring system – I
 think they mentioned using xrays, could be considered a stimulus..you got
 to wonder if they applied their techniques in a different manner if they
 couldn’t produce a Parkhomov variant experiment.

 Fran



 *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:41 PM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Tracking exploding lithium-ion batteries in
 real-time



 IF the problem is the energy content of the battery during shipment, the
 manufacturer should leave the battery uncharged until it is in the hands of
 the customer.



 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
 francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:

 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150428125253.htm

Re: [Vo]:VIDEO: Stan Szpak LENR Co-deposition

[Teslaalset]

One important remark is that the interpretation of the IR camera signal
might be completely wrong. The 'amplitude/time' graph shows that the
threshold for white color in the XY color graph is exactly at the noise
level. The noise level itself shows very low variations. If nuclear
reactions / transmutations really would have occurred there would be very
high peaks on top of the noise level, representing very local heat spikes.
Such high peaks do not show up here. To really see nuclear spots the color
graph would show white spots in a yellow, green or blue field, not in a
dark red field. So in my opinion the color graph is misinterpreted.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:34 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:05:22 -0700:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 Well, once again I will dissent, since we have had this discussion before.
 It is your understanding of the fractionalization mechanism that is not
 logical. What you are describing is simple ionization of the catalyst,

 Correct.

 and
 this must precede, not cause, orbital reduction.

 No, it happens at the same time. That's why it's energy resonance. Energy
 is
 transferred from the H atom to the catalyst atom. The H atom gives up
 energy by
 shrinking (reduction potential energy), and the catalyst receiving the
 energy
 uses it to become ionized. Similar to the way an atom absorbing a photon
 may
 become ionized.


 There is no energy to dump
 until after the redundancy has completed,

 Where do you think it goes to in the mean time? ;)

 You could think of it as transfer of a virtual photon from H to catalyst.
 Virtual because the H can't emit a real photon, however if it's within
 range it
 can transfer the energy through the near field. You could also think of it
 as a
 resonant electrical transformer, where the H is the primary, and the
 catalyst is
 the secondary.

 and Mills has clearly stated that
 the neutral atom is the hydrogen - not the catalyst.

 It's not an either or situation. Yes, the H is neutral, but the catalyst
 can be
 anything, a neutral atom, an ion, or even a molecule. The only criterion
 is that
 it be able to resonantly absorb a multiple of 27.2 eV. A neutral Lithium
 atom
 can do this, so can e.g. a neutral K atom (81.68 eV) or an Ar+ ion (27.2
 eV), or
 a He+ ion (54.4 eV), so can some entire molecules, which break up in the
 process
 e.g. H2O, HCl.
 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:prototype for only $99,000

[Teslaalset]

This is based on simple air ionization. Many hobbyists copy this, have a
look at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01F8V5IhB5k
No violation of any physics laws.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
wrote:

 this is probably in line with the EmDrive family of devices, including
 Cannae Drive , which works too.

 for those interested I keep an eye on that
 http://www.scoop.it/t/emdrive
 (pile of more or less interesting articles)

 best sources are
 - emdrive.com site
 - nextbigfuture
 - wired

 http://emdrive.com/faq.html

 http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/02/more-emdrive-experiment-information.html


 http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-08/07/10-qs-about-nasa-impossible-drive


 note that some theorist work on anothe theory based on unruh radiation
 http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/02/can-emdrive-be-explained-by-quantised.html
 http://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.fr/2015/02/mihsc-vs-emdrive-data-3d.html

 his results seem to paralell Shawyer

 the next blackswan to be confirmed...

 2015-03-24 1:17 GMT+01:00 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com:

 Is it similar to:
 http://www.gizmag.com/cannae-reactionless-drive-space-propulsion/33210/

 On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 wrote:

 It looks like a violation of Newton's law unless some of the field
 escapes the enclosure carrying momentum in the opposite direction of the
 force.  I hope it can work, but have my doubts without some exhaust.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Mar 23, 2015 6:08 pm
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:prototype for only $99,000

   From Frank

 http://displacementfieldtechnologies.com/products

 Fascinating. They make it clear that the device is still a prototype.
 Hope they can pull it off. Thrust being 100-500 mN, I'm guessing that's the
 approximate weight (thrust) of a piece of paper as measured at the surface
 of Earth. Sounds similar to NASA's ion thrusters already in use on a couple
 of satellites. Very efficient.

 Why is it that Americans always round down the prices of their products
 with 9 nines, as if they think the dollar amount will look cheaper to the
 prospective buyer than if they used a bunch of zeros. I've heard many parts
 of Europe don't practice such silly accounting tricks.

 I'm curious. Does this technology violate Newton's Third Law?
 - For every action there must be an opposite reaction. -

 Regards,
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 svjart.orionworks.com
 zazzle.com/orionworks




 --
 Patrick

 www.tRacePerfect.com
 The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect!
 The quickest puzzle ever!

Re: [Vo]:Working on possible error in my paper on Mizuno

[Teslaalset]

Meanwhile Mizuno appeared to have filed his technology. WO2015008859
recently was published:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WONR=2015008859A2KC=A2FT=DND=3date=20150122DB=EPODOClocale=en_EP


On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I may have discovered an error in the paper I wrote on Mizuno. It may be
 serious enough to invalidate the results. This goes back to what I wrote
 here on January 21 in response to David Roberson:



 How do you explain the fact that the temperature in the vicinity of the
 palladium wire drops very quickly after the pulse?


 I noticed that. It will take more calibrations to sort out what is going
 on there. I do not fully trust that thermocouple. . . . I would like to see
 what's going on in the counter-electrode which is also Pd.


 I do not want to specify what I have in mind because I am still working on
 it. I may discover I am getting all upset about nothing. Give me another
 week or so to sort it out. I will publish full details either way, even if
 it turns out to be a false alarm.

 I mention this here just in case Dave or someone else discovers the
 problem and publishes before I do. (Assuming there is a problem.) To be
 honest, I am posting this message now mainly because I do not wish to be
 accused of covering up a serious mistake in my own work. You might call
 this a claim of negative priority.

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:How could we collect ideas and knowledge on engineering of LENR devices?

[Teslaalset]

Mats, some thoughts:

Maybe the guys from LENR-cities have some ideas. They promote an open IP
structure, although not well defined yet. I've asked for more details, but
they probably are lacking time in detailling this out for the moment.

Part of valuable ideas will probably be converted into patent applications
as well by individuals.
Those inventors may want to promote their ideas as soon as their ideas are
secured.

The other part will be shared openly by those who do not care about IP.

Collecting and stucturing ideas also require serious moderation to keep a
certain professional level.
I've been thinking of several places to moderate professional engineering
ideas:
- meetup groups
- moderated LinkedIn groups
- dedicated e-mail reflectors

I see several sub-groups that handle following activities:
- a think tank that defines engeneering topics and brainstorms about
solutions
- a review team that reviews proposed engineering ideas
- a feasibility team that is able to prototype (e.g. MFMP)
- F2F meetings in several regions.

Another approach:
Are there similar global cooperation projects that can be used to piggy
back on?
- How is the 3D printing society organized?
- How is the Drone society organized?
- Cooperate with FabLabs that facilitate tooling?
- Other global cooperation activities that have usefull ways of working ?

Cheers,
Rob

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se wrote:

  Lots of interesting ideas are flowing here on Vortex on various aspects
 of LENR engineering – methods to control the phenomenon, different
 materials to be tried, temperatures to focus on, geometries etc.



 How could all these ideas be collected and structured, in order to make
 the information searchable for anyone who’s trying to develop and engineer
 future devices?



 Frank Acland made an initiative with a kind of Wiki:
 http://kb.e-catworld.com/index.php?title=E-Cat_World_LENR_Knowledge_Base
 , but I don’t know if it has any chance of being used for this kind of flow
 of ideas.



 Probably the gathering of information should be automated with text
 analysis.



 Comments?



 Mats



 Mats

 www.animpossibleinvention.com

Re: [Vo]:two answers from Bazhutov and current LENR news

[Teslaalset]

My traditional ernergy bill consists of an amount that can roughly be split
as follows:
- 10-20% transport to home
- 60-70% tax
- 10-30% raw  energy costs
This with all having profits and overhead included.
LENR reactors will certainly challence such model in the Netherlands.

Apart from domestic energy usage, there will be a big development on
allowing LENR based mobility (cars, planes, etc.) which will push for
compact standalone operation.

There will be several stages over time, probably starting with using
traditional grids first and local energy generation later onwards.


Op zondag 18 januari 2015 heeft mix...@bigpond.com het volgende
geschreven:

 In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:24:12 -0500:
 Hi,
 [snip]
  The whole distribution and control system will be
 scrapped, and that alone will cut your electric bill by half or
 two-thirds.
 So even if the individual generator costs a bit more per kilowatt of
 capacity, it will be much cheaper overall. Plus it will replace your home
 space heater, with co-generation.

 But the biggest reason is that people will happily pay a higher cost/watt
 for a
 generator, if it means an end to regular utility bills. Utility bills also
 include the utility's profit margin.
 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:New Patent- Field Emission Device configured as a Heat Englne.

[Teslaalset]

Reading the provisional filing:

*We foresee it potentially becoming the dominant class of heat engines of
the mid-21st*
*century, and specifically as an inexpensive, simple, no-moving-parts,
super-high powerdensity,*
*near-Carnot-efficiency transformer between heat and electricity in a
plethora of*
*circumstances, very specifically including heat-electricity transformation
on essentially all*
*scales and across virtually all temperature spans of practical interest.*
*As such, we anticipate its use in everything from personal
electronics-powering (e.g.,*
*powered by a LPG/butane micro-flame) to prime-mover applications in
transport vehicles*
*of all types and in central power-stations of all scales - and
not-quite-incidentally in making*
*refrigeration--HVAC cheap--practical--thus ubiquitous in the tropics*

Also remarkable from the provisional:

*Acknowledgments:*
*We are grateful to Bill Gates for inspiring and encouraging this
exploration, and to Rod*
*Hyde, Jordin Kare and David Tuckerman for discussions which helped to
clarify physics*
*and technology issues*.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
wrote:

 it seems to be a thermionic device...
 a heat to power converter ?

 2015-01-16 1:12 GMT+01:00 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com:

 Greetings Vortex-L,

 An invention by some Highly Talented Researchers.
 I am clueless.
 http://www.google.com/patents/US8575842

 Applications...aircraft and other energy applications...

 Ad astra,
 Ron Kita,Chiralex
 Doylestown PA

Re: [Vo]:the Parkhomov paper translated

[Teslaalset]

+1. Thanks Peter!


On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not so fast as I wanted but here it is:


 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/fast-translation-of-parkhomov-paper.html

 Questions and corrections to my e-mail address please, I hope to discuss
 with the author.

 Peter

 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:SAWS Sensitive Application Warning System for Patents

[Teslaalset]

Maybe a reason why Piantelly has gone the European Patent Office route.
(and getting a grant meanwhile)

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 http://hho4free.com/documents/patent_screening_uspto%20memo.pdf

 It goes without saying that anything Rossi has done is likely flagged..

Re: [Vo]:Mouse in the wires?

[Teslaalset]

Rossi probably discovered earlier that spiral shaped heating elements are
crucial to start up the e-cat coincidentally.
After that discovery he might have developed it further to optimize
startup.
This might be his hook for IP.

Piantelli indicated in his patent that other stimilus might work as well
though, e.g. laser light, microwaves.


On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rossi writes:
 The coils of the reactor are made with a proptietary alloy, and the
 inconel is only a doped component of it. Your phrase “”with or without
 reactions involved” is pretty arrogant, and such arrogamce, perhaps,
 forbids you to try to understand what I wrote. If you read carefully what I
 wrote and what is written in the Report, you will see that “with or without
 reactions” is a stupidity. The nature and composition of the coils are of
 paramount importance in our IP and for obvious reasons I will not give any
 more information, albeit you demand to me not to “state that (I) cannot
 comment further on this, ESPECIALLY BEING AWARE THAT THROUGH THE REPORT
 SOME FUNDAMENTAL ( SIC!) MISTAKES ARE CARRIED OUT, SUCH AS..” and at this
 point you add another titanic stupidity that the Readers can find in your
 comment: whom do you think you are talking with ?

 This makes me wonder if there is something more special about these wires
 than we realized.
 Jack

Re: [Vo]:SSI Tesla generator

[Teslaalset]

Keshe Foundation is a legal entity in Belgium.
Not very credible due to lack of facts

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:

 If my memory is correct the origins  of the Keshe Foundation is Iran.
 Also...they have been promising UFO tech for years...I stopped watching
 them.
 Ad Astra,
 Ron

 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Anyone following this?


 http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/34787-breakthrough-in-the-world-of-science

 It looks like they got up to 62T off of 10w of energy.   They are live
 streaming the entire thing.

 interesting.

Re: [Vo]:The obect of the TIP report is to get a patent

[Teslaalset]

European Patent Office is more than willing to process.
Piantelli got one of his patents on Ni-H granted in January 2013 (EP2368252)

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Would Sweden qualify?  The demo plant was originally stated to be in
 Sweden a couple of years ago.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:51 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Better would be a patent cooperation treaty country somewhere other than
 the US approving the patent and the US physics theocracy being paraded
 around for historic scorn and perhaps trials for crimes against humanity.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The TIP report is out, and it is positive for Rossi.  The next step for
 him is to challenge the USPTO rejection of his patent because their
 assessment is that it is not operable.  Now he has 7 independent scientists
 saying it IS operable.

 But the patent office will still drag their heels because this is an
 embarrassment.  So Rossi's next step will be public demos and a press
 release inviting the patent examiners to see the demo.  From this point it
 is politics.  And Rossi/IH will need to grease a few palms in the political
 realm that can bring pressure on the patent office.

Re: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

[Teslaalset]

Sample 2 was the fuel used to charge the E-Cat. It’s in the form of a
very fine powder. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the
fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and
these are not found in the ash.

This indicates that also virgin powder was analyzed. This was not
explicitly mentioned in TIP2, was it?


On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The isotopic shift observed is only a side effect of the real reaction
 that are taking place. From others LENR experiments one can suspect that
 hydrogen is the fuel and that Ni is just modified by whatever is in its
 vicinity.

 Do you remember all the internet ink was used to debate the copper ash in
 the nickel powder; now all that is for naught.

 The transmutation pattern is based on the geometry of the reactor. As that
 geometry changes so does the transmutation patterns.

 The analysis of transmutation was incomplete and much of the many
 reactions were missed.

 For example from page 53...

 Sample 2 was the fuel used to charge the E-Cat. It’s in the form of a very
 fine powder. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel
 also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these
 are not found in the ash.

 And there was transmutation of aluminum.



 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:21 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Li7 + Ni58 = Ni59 + Li6 + 1.75 MeV
 Li7 + Ni59 = Ni60 + Li6 + 4.14 MeV
 Li7 + Ni60 = Ni61 + Li6 + 0.57 MeV
 Li7 + Ni61 = Ni62 + Li6 + 3.34 MeV
 Li7 + Ni62 = Ni63 + Li6 - 0.41 MeV (Endothermic!)

 This series stops at Ni62, hence all isotopes of Ni less than 62 are
 depleted
 and Ni62 is strongly enriched.


 This is very nice.  I've been too attached to deuterium.  In this
 particular instance, deuterium reactions above 62Ni would be exothermic:

- 62Ni + n → 63Ni + p + Q (5.1 MeV)
- 63Ni + n → 64Ni + p + Q (7.9 MeV)

 Since neither 62Ni nor 63Ni were seen in significant quantities in the
 ash, I think we can rule deuterium out for this particular test.  Note that
 while 64Ni(7Li,6Li)65Ni is also endothermic, 63Ni(7Li,6Li)64Ni is
 exothermic.  Since 63Ni is not found in nature, however, and since it won't
 be coming from the 62Ni(7Li,6Li)63Ni reaction, none will arise unless there
 is deuterium in the mix.  It all feels a little precarious, because if you
 get any 64Ni, you can get penetrating radiation from deexcitation gammas
 from inelastic collisions.

 To add to your thought about the kinetic energy of the daughter 6Li being
 relatively low, for the maximum Q value in your list above, there would be
 4.14 MeV / 6 nucleons = 690 keV per nucleon, which seems manageable.  I
 will nominate you for the Vortex Nobel Prize for your insight about neutron
 stripping from lithium.

 Two questions I have:

- Why use hydrogen at all if the reaction can be sustained with
lithium?
- What is the amount of force that would be needed to bring a 7Li to
within a sufficient distance of a nickel nucleus for stripping to occur?
It seems like it would be high.

 Eric

[Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Where did al the C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn go?

[Teslaalset]

Axel addressed this in earlier threads, but I too wander what happened with
the C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn that was observed in the 'virgin' fuel?

0.011 grams of Li, 0.55 grams of Ni, so the remaining elements should not
have been ignored in the analysis.

[Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

[Teslaalset]

I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li
were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of
the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the
reason for shutdown.
Why has this not been mentioned?

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

[Teslaalset]

A much wider set of principles can be found in patent applications by
George Samual Levy.
In particular his published provisional filing 61567455 which can be
obtained at http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair is intreaging,

My personal interest goes to the solid state versions of his claimed energy
generators.
By appying graded doped semiconductor slabs he claims to be able to
withdraw electrical power by temporary periods of violated 2nd law of
thermodynamics.

The part that is key and needs some more prove by experts in my view is
following part of his provisional filing where Levy claims that by themally
shortcutting a graded doped semiconductor slab a current is flowing through
such semiconducor.

Quote:
*An analog of Loschmidt's adiabatic gas column thought experiment can
therefore*
*be implemented in a semiconductor with graded doping. Carriers in such a
semiconductor*
*develop an adiabatic temperature profile. If the heavily doped end and
lightly doped end*
*of the semiconductor slab are thermally short circuited, the temperature
of the*
*semiconductor at each end deviates from the adiabatic profile. The
relative temperature is*
*colder at the heavily doped end and hotter at the lightly doped end. The
hot probe effect*
*results in a current flowing through the semiconductor, which can be
tapped by*
*electrodes. This particular implementation combines in a single
semiconductor slab two*
*aspects of the Loschmidt's thought experiment: the adiabatic gradient in
the gas and the*
*heat engine (Seebeck device).*

We can further discuss if found interesting enough.



On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:25 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Paradigm Energy website is now empty (although you can still download
 the papers at the links given on the MFMP page). In the comments section
 Ryan Hunt explains why:

 That website has since been taken down. :( They decided not to do their
 research openly in the interest of being able to secure private funding and
 guarding against getting patented out of the game by onlookers is what I
 heard.

 Harry

 On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 3:29 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 The authors have set up an open source organisation to develop the
 _epicatalysis_ phenomena which they believe is producing the heat.

 ​​
 http://jointheparadigm.com/what-is-epicatalysis/

 Harry

 On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 2:47 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Research (published in the peer reviewed journals Physical Review E and
 Foundations of Physics) mentioned on the MFMP site argues that the second
 law of thermodynamics is not a law but only a rule of thumb.


 http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/old-experiments/follow-2/412-2nd-rule-of-thumb-of-thermodynamics

 Harry

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

[Teslaalset]

I just wonder whether they took into account that Tungsten at 2000K and 1
Torr likely absorbs Hydrogen.
Absorption of Hydrogen into metal lattices is an exothermic mechanism.
Nothing mentioned in their report.

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting how similar the description is to the Casimir effect.

Re: [Vo]:Gasp- Rossi changes Story on Indipendent Report

[Teslaalset]

They should re-read Rossi's blog: This is not about the Independant Third
Party Report on the earlier performed E-Cat performance, but a product
related question.


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, I guess I will die of old and not see that report.


 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:How Russia uses fossil fuels to influence and corrupt Europe

[Teslaalset]

Being Dutch, I recently got some extra motivation to do the opposite.

Op zondag 27 juli 2014 heeft Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com het
volgende geschreven:

 An interesting article:


 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/07/russia_s_corrupt_control_of_europe_how_vladimir_putin_keeps_the_continent.html

 The author is an American journalist married to the Foreign Minister of
 Poland.

 Based on this and various other reports, I expect Putin will oppose cold
 fusion and do all that he can to prevent it. And he can a lot!

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:How Russia uses fossil fuels to influence and corrupt Europe

[Teslaalset]

From what I see, not very active, but it's a bit tricky due to the language
barier. Rarely I see quotations or discussions from Russian forums.
I found that Google trends is a good indicator to see where LENR or Cold
Fusion is being searched for:
https://www.google.nl/trends/explore#q=LENRcmpt=q




On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:08 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 How active is cold fusion research in Russia?


 On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 An interesting article:


 http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/07/russia_s_corrupt_control_of_europe_how_vladimir_putin_keeps_the_continent.html

 The author is an American journalist married to the Foreign Minister of
 Poland.

 Based on this and various other reports, I expect Putin will oppose cold
 fusion and do all that he can to prevent it. And he can a lot!

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Kudos to Jed

[Teslaalset]

I would not write them off too quickly.
They had NASA over (not formally confirmed I believe) and NASA seems to be
quite convinced LENR has revived in a serious way. Maybe Rossi was visited
too.
Defkalion's weak point is bad engineering.
This can be resolved.


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:

 If you see greentech, or Internet companies, it is not so different.
 the problem is that it is much more tolerated and ignored for mainstream
 and fashion technologies than for lenr.

 even good startup with good technologies crash most of the time


 2014-05-14 6:26 GMT+02:00 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com:

 On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:

 We have to be careful.


 Without regard to DGT, specifically, I think there is a recurring lesson
 here.  In the LENR and free energy fields, more than any other fields I
 have followed, there is a certain type of amped-up businessman who belongs
 in a late-night infomercial but instead makes wacky claims somewhere on the
 Internet.  Whether you would call what they're doing fraud or not probably
 depends in part upon the mindset and intention of the people, if any, who
 have given them money.  In this context it is something of a miracle that
 Rossi's work has stood out as likely being genuine and have not simply
 blended into the background.  The LENR researchers, too, on the whole, do
 not fit this pattern, although some of them are obviously credulous.  A few
 of them do appear to be infomercial salesmen as well.

 Even when people seem credible and genuine, it is good to follow up and
 ask for some data to support what they're saying.

 Eric

Re: [Vo]:New LENR patent application by Francesco Piantelli : WO2013008219 A2

[Teslaalset]

Jones, it seems that Bastiaan has stopped hosting the site.
I'll see what I can do to bring the site up again.


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Lowe

  I will add this one to my LENR patent database at
  http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/fusion-base/fusion-patents/


 This link appears to be down...

Re: [Vo]:[test, please ignore]

[Teslaalset]

Thanks Jed!
This was indeed an automated spamfilter change causing the problem.
I'll keep an eye on the spambox more often now.
Good you sent me a response to my private mail address too, otherwise it
would have taken me longer to find out.



On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Check your spam file. Gmail has suddenly started sending many of my Vortex
 messages to the spam file. Actually, it does not send them, because I have
 a filter set up to overrule it, but many messages say:

 *This message was not sent to Spam because of a filter you created.*

 (Your message said that too.)


 Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Haven't been receiving mails from Vortex for 2 days.
 This is a reflector test

[Vo]:[test, please ignore]

[Teslaalset]

Haven't been receiving mails from Vortex for 2 days.
This is a reflector test

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended

[Teslaalset]

Up and running again.


On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.defkalion-energy.com/

 This now says only:

 Account Suspended

 This Account Has Been Suspended


 I suppose this is because they did not pay the ISP. Maybe not, because it
 costs little to maintain a web site these days. I pay for LENR-CANR.org
 once a year. My ISP bill comes due on April Fool's Day, which seems
 appropriate.

 - Jed

[Vo]:Is Mizuno poining at Ryberg matter or not?

[Teslaalset]

Recent positive responses to Mizuno's work present recently at MIT
by Yoshino made me look at his work presented at ICCF
18http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTmethodofco.pdflast year.
In section 1.1 of this presentation Mizuno hints in my view at Rydberg
matter but does not actually mention Rydberg.
Bullet #4 and #5 indicates he thinks some involved atoms schrink in size
and in bullet #10 he indicates that alkali and alkaline-earth elements show
identical effects.

Looking to general description of Rydberg atoms, it is indicated that
Rydberg atoms are extremely large with loosely bound valence electrons.

Any opinions on these observations/assumptions?

Re: [Vo]:Is Mizuno poining at Ryberg matter or not?

[Teslaalset]

Bob, you are probably right, this likely is pointing at inverse Rydberg
matter.

Rob.

Op dinsdag 8 april 2014 heeft Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com het
volgende geschreven:

 Keep in mind that Rydberg matter does not normally describe shrunken
 hydrogen.  Shrunken hydrogen has its electron in a reduced orbital at an
 energy state below the normally accepted ground state.  This has been
 variously described as inverse Rydberg and fractional Rydberg or
 hydrino (Mills) states that are all below ground level.  Mills describes
 multiple fractional states below ground level.  There is an older reference
 to a Deep Dirac Level or DDL that is also a shrunken hydrogen.

Re: [Vo]:Why not Silicon Carbide for the NiH reactor?

[Teslaalset]

SiC is also interesting to apply as part of a high temperature
semiconducter substrate to catch the free electrons and convert them to
directly to electricity. See also the patent application of Anthony
Zupperohttp://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument;jsessionid=61E16476CB3D5C93F80CEC6C02A88F4D.espacenet_levelx_prod_0?CC=USNR=2014034116A1KC=A1FT=DND=date=20140206DB=locale=en_EP
,


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The high sublimation temperature of SiC (approximately 2700 °C) makes it
 at the high end of the insolating ceramic operating temperature range..
 Silicon carbide does not melt at any known pressure. It is also highly
 inert chemically.

 Its high thermal conductivity, high electric field breakdown strength and
 high maximum current density make it most promising any type of LENR
 reaction.

 SiC also has a very low coefficient of thermal expansion (4.0 × 10-6/K)
 and experiences no phase transitions that would cause discontinuities in
 thermal expansion.

 On the downside, In the 1980s and 1990s, silicon carbide was studied in
 several research programs for high-temperature gas turbines in Europe,
 Japan and the United States. The components were intended to replace nickel
 superalloy turbine blades or nozzle vanes. However, none of these projects
 resulted in a production quantity, mainly because of its low impact
 resistance and its low fracture toughness.

 Silicon carbide is used in high temperature kilns such as for firing
 ceramics,

 Silicon carbide is an important structural  material in TRISO-coated fuel
 particles, the type of nuclear fuel found in high temperature gas cooled
 reactors (such as the Pebble Bed Reactor). A layer of silicon carbide gives
 coated fuel particles structural support and is the main diffusion barrier
 to the release of fission products.

 My belief is, if it can handle fission of U235, it should handle LENR.

Re: [Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement--ideas for production

[Teslaalset]

Absolutely. That is indeed the likely reason. SiO2 has both pyro- and
thermalelectrical capabilities. On nano scale this could be sufficient to
split the local hydrogen.

Op zondag 23 maart 2014 heeft Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com het
volgende geschreven:

 On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com');
  wrote:

 Celani holds a patent application that combines oxidation and adding a
 silicate layer to significantly speed up absorption of Hydrogen. His
 process also includes rapid cooling, creating small grain sizes during
 re-crystallisation.


 I think silicates also have a high dielectric strength.  I assume this
 would facilitate the occurrence of electric arcs between grain boundaries.

 Eric

Re: [Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement--ideas for production

[Teslaalset]

Absolutely. That is indeed the likely reason. SiO2 has both pyro- and
thermalelectrical capabilities. On nano scale this could be sufficient to
split the local hydrogen.

Op zondag 23 maart 2014 heeft Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com het
volgende geschreven:

 On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com');
  wrote:

 Celani holds a patent application that combines oxidation and adding a
 silicate layer to significantly speed up absorption of Hydrogen. His
 process also includes rapid cooling, creating small grain sizes during
 re-crystallisation.


 I think silicates also have a high dielectric strength.  I assume this
 would facilitate the occurrence of electric arcs between grain boundaries.

 Eric

Re: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation

[Teslaalset]

Steve, have a look at a paper of Edmund Storms (recently brought under the
attention by Alain via LinkedIn):
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf

He proposes following processes happening in the reactors of
Rossi/Defkalion (using light Hydrogen):

d+e+d  4H (fast decay)  4He + e Q=~23 MeV
d+e+p  3H (slow decay)  3He + e Q=~4.9 MeV [22, 23]
p+e+p  2H (stable) Q=~1.4 MeV
t+e+p  4H  4He + e
t+e+d  5H  4H + n  4He + e
The Q values give an estimated overall energy release.

Something very similar could be the case in Mizuno's latest setup (skipping
the 1H to 2H step).



On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Having been at the meeting I would be pleased to add an item of
 clarification. The input gas was in fact molecular deuterium. An innovation
 that they made a big deal of at the meeting was a device placed inside the
 reactor that allowed them to monitor the composition of the circulating gas
 in real time, in terms of atomic number. Thus at the beginning of the run
 they were registering atomic number 4 (molecular deuterium) and during the
 run there was a progressive decline in 4. A transient rise in 3 occurred
 (they didn't know if it was tritium or possibly
 Helium 3) then that level declined again. The item that progressively rose
 during the run was atomic number 2(they didn't know if that was atomic
 deuterium or molecular hydrogen). Any speculation from the group as to why
 that might happen? As an matter of coincidence or god forbid synchronicity
 the output of Fisher's polyneutron theory was molecular hydrogen (IIRC)
 The opening slide was an image of Japanese gradeschoolers wearing
 masks for protection from Fukushimas monstrous effluent. Underscore an
 enhanced willingness on the part of Japanese government and industry to get
 behind Mizuno's innovation
 Steve High

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

[Teslaalset]

I lost that data in my memory indeed. Thanks for refreshing it.
Do you have a public reference on fusion of odd count nuleons not fusing?
I respect your knowledge but like to understand this a bit better.

It looks like there are many variaties possible.
Looks like much is depending on what type/size of NAE occurs locally.



On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 You should take a look at the table 2 and table 3 element list from the
 DGT ICCF-17 document.


 http://cdn.coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2012-08-13-ICCF-17__Paper_DGTGx.pdf

 The is a large increase in very light elements and not much nickel to
 copper transmutation.

 This means that Cluster fusion of many nuclei including many protons and a
 heavy metal nucleus is occurring per fusion event.

 In the Rossi ash, iron was 10% of the element assay.

 *1H+1H+62Ni = 4He + 4He + 56Fe + 3.495 MeV   this one produces iron.*

 Fusion cannot happen if the nucleon count is odd, e.g. Ni61. This
 indicates photofusion.

 Gamma Radiation is converted to huge magnetic fields and will result in
 EUV radiation from the eventual destruction of the EMF soliton that will be
 thermalized by election capture.

Re: [Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

[Teslaalset]

Eric, on the little info I could find in public domain, I understand that
ß+ decay happens within the nucleus.
Are you saying that there are quite some exceptions?



On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:


1. The ß+ decay energy of Cu(x)  Ni(x) + e+ + ve (2 -4 MeV) of each
decay step in the chain, causing the Ni/Cu powder to heat up.

 I think the electron-positron annihilation photons from the radioactive
 decay of certain isotopes of nickel would escape the system.  Since the
 mean free path of these photons is long, they would be unlikely to
 thermalize, unless some sort of 100 percent efficiency gamma thermalization
 mechanism is at play.  (Only handfuls of gammas are typically seen.)

 Eric

[Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement

[Teslaalset]

The topic of creating the right NAEs touches my recent querries for
optimizing Nickel embrittlement.
There's lots of info available in the public and scientific domain on
reducing embrittlement of Nickel, hinting at some of the main possible
causes.

Some of those causes:

   - Copper - Nickel alloys, where oxidized copper clusters in nickel
   alloys can form H2O and Copper, where the local H2O can cause very high
   pressures that in their turn can cause cracks (and holes). My association
   with this is the use of the Cu-Ni-Mn alloys Celani used for his recent
   research.
   - Carbon to enforce Nickel alloys. Under pressure and elevated
   temperatures Hydrogen and Carbon can form pockets of Methane causing
   embrittlement.


Looking to causes of embrittlement of pure Nickel there are not so many
hints that I could find so far.
I guess absorbtion and desorbtion at certain rates are the most common
known causes to create Nickel embrittlement.
Are there others known?

Last thing I would like to mention is the remarking indication of Defkalion
of modifying Nickel lattice from FCC to C4 or a Pm3m structure,
Any clues on how they would do this?

Re: [Vo]:Stimulate embrittlement--ideas for production

[Teslaalset]

Looks like trying to find a needle in a haystack ;).
It is indeed known that Hydrogen penetration is concentrated around grain
boundaries.
Crystallisation may play a role, however both Defkalion and Rossi's
reactors are able to be turned off and on. In particular Rossi shows that
his reactor seems to work way above the crystallisation temperature of
Nickel. Cooling these reactors down slowly will re-crystallise the Nickel
particles.

Likely very fine grains are only important in 'virgin' Nickel powder to
allow certain speed of Hydrogen absorption during first operation of such
load.
Celani holds a patent application that combines oxidation and adding a
silicate layer to significantly speed up absorption of Hydrogen. His
process also includes rapid cooling, creating small grain sizes during
re-crystallisation.


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Alain etal.--

 This paper by Duncan etal. from ICCF-18 identified by Alain remind me of
 an experience involving stress corrosion in Ni-Cr-Fe alloy 600 over 40
 years ago.  The material specification being used to procure the Ni-Cr-Fe
 material did not control the concentration of Niobium.  It was not believed
 to be an element that need to be controlled.  However, some heats of
 material were subject to stress corrosion and some were not.  The ones
 coming from one vendor were generally good and ones coming from another
 vendor were not so good.  It turned out that the vendor producing the good
 heats--those that did not corrode--had added Nb in a very small
 amount--several parts per million--to its heats, still meeting the
 specification, since this element, Nb, was not controlled by the
 specification.  The small amount of Nb turned out to tie up carbon which
 was allowed to a small extent per the specification.   It reacted with the
 carbon in the grain boundaries and prevented stress corrosion from
 occurring.  The micro stress patterns were changed and internal stress
 small.  The local energy necessary for the stress corrosion cracking did
 not develop.

 Embrittlement is what happened in the welds of hulls of Liberty Ships that
 broke up under stressing and fatigue during  WW1. The welds were embrittled
 by ionization of water in stick electrodes used to weld sections of the
 hulls together. The migration of the hydrogen to local defects caused
 internal pressure and the embrittlement. The lesson was: Do not to use wet
 electrodes for welding steel.

 The devil is in the details.

 Separately,  a good mechanism for controlling cracks may be the
 introduction of water during alloying.  Various small amount of crystals of
 hydration can be added to a preparation of an alloy using powder metals
 mixed and diced in a cryogenic ball-milling machine.  (Such a device uses
 liquid N-2 as the liquid in the ball milling process to get very
 fine--maybe nano scale--particles of an alloy and the hydrated crystal.
 The N-2 is nice, since it prevents the agglomeration of particles by
 coating each particle with a layer of N-2.  Very good mixing is possible.
 The slurry mixture is poured into molds under a vacuum to keep stray atoms
 out and the N-2 is allowed to evaporate under the vacuum and added
 temperature and pressure.  Pressure bonding is accomplished with the
 hydrated crystal in the bonded metal lattice.  During the heating
 and pressure bonding process, the water of hydration changes to O-2 and
 H-2, the O-2 reacts to form a metal oxide and the hydrogen collects in
 defects to form an internal pressure and embrittlement.   The metal atoms
 bond together being very pure with little on no excess heat and whatever
 pressure it takes.  (He may be used in the pressure bonding process once
 the N-2 is off gassed.) There is no oxide reduction necessary to get  the
 metal to bond well..  The small amount of O-2 reacts locally at the point
 where the crystal of hydration ends up in the mix.   The grains are very
 small and well controlled in size considering the amount of water of
 hydration used in the mix.  For magnetic materials like Ni and Pd these
 boundaries may even be oriented in a desired direction during bonding.

 Deuterated water of hydration crystals may be a good sauce in this mix for
 Pd, giving pockets of D-2 at the grain boundaries without preloading.

 Anybody wanting a patent on this process idea should get to work. (smile)

 Bob

[Vo]:My current views on the 'Rossi's process'

[Teslaalset]

I've been reading quite some theories and views on what exactly Rossi's /
Defkalion's processes might be.
Here's my current view focussing on the main effects only. Comments and
(dis)agreements are welcome:

The main chain of fusions/transmutations is in my view: Ni58+p  Cu59 + e-
 Ni59 +p  Cu60 + e-  Ni59 + p  Cu60 + e-  - - - - -  Cu63 + e-. All
Cu isotopes in the range of Cu59 - Cu62 have relative short half-life. The
longest half-life is that of Cu61 (3.3 hours). This is why Rossi's process
needs quite some time to shut down. The fusion/transmutation chain stops at
Cu63 because Cu63 is stable with an extreem long half-life. Protons (p) are
provided by (absorbed) Hydrogen ions. Electrons (e-) are released due to
Vibrationally Promoted Electron Emission (VPEE).

The released energy is caused by two sources:

   1. The emitted electrons e- (with very high kinetic energy, 5 - 8 MeV);
   the electrons are absorbed by the reactor wall causing eddy currents that
   are converted into heat due to resistance of that wall material. Those eddy
   currents also may be the cause of the extreemly high magnetic fields that
   have been observed (Defkalion).
   2. The ß+ decay energy of Cu(x)  Ni(x) + e+ + ve (2 -4 MeV) of each
   decay step in the chain, causing the Ni/Cu powder to heat up.

Some ballpark figures on the total energy generated and the amount of fuel
involved:
Assuming all the Nickel in the reactor in the form Ni58 and finally all
transmutted into Cu63:
Ni58 mass is calculated to be 57.95380± 15 amu. The actual mass of a
copper-Cu63 nucleus is 62.91367 amu. Mass of Ni58 plus 5 nucleons is
57.95380+5=62.95380 amu. Delta mass is 62.95380-62.91367=0.04013 amu. 1 amu
= 931 MeV is used as a standard conversion 0.04013×931 MeV=37.36 MeV. So
each transformation of Ni58 into Cu63 releases 37.36MeV of nuclear energy.
So, without further energy losses it requires 2 - 3 grams of Ni and approx.
0.2 grams of H2 to produce 10KW of heat over a 6 months period continuously.

Re: [Vo]:Newly published US20140034116A1 patent application regarding LENR

[Teslaalset]

The most remarkable takeaway of US20140034116A1 is that the inventors point
out that using ionized 1/1 (light) Hydrogen, only two Nickel isotopes are
suitable: Ni62 and Ni64. This is particulary interesting since they
published this in their provisional patent application back in August 2012.
Rossi and Defkalion started talking about specific Nickel isotopes being
essential during the course of spring 2013. Rossi amended his claims in
April 2013 claiming Ni62 is essential for the overall proces.


On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:


 There is no bibliography on this patent. This is odd.


 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Newly published US20140034116A1 patent application regarding LENR

[Teslaalset]

US20140034116A1 patent application published regarding a description of
LENR methods to generate energy, including the options to generate
electricity. The inventors actually don't mention the term LENR, but
indicated that the actual physical effects are still unknown.
Ni - H is part of it, but the claims are much wider regarding the potential
combinations of elements.

http://www.google.com/patents/US20140034116/http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fpatents%2FUS20140034116%2Furlhash=0aBv_t=tracking_disc

Re: [Vo]:Newly published US20140034116A1 patent application regarding LENR

[Teslaalset]

Improved link:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20140034116


On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 US20140034116A1 patent application published regarding a description of
 LENR methods to generate energy, including the options to generate
 electricity. The inventors actually don't mention the term LENR, but
 indicated that the actual physical effects are still unknown.
 Ni - H is part of it, but the claims are much wider regarding the
 potential combinations of elements.

 http://www.google.com/patents/US20140034116/http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fpatents%2FUS20140034116%2Furlhash=0aBv_t=tracking_disc

Re: [Vo]:Patent application on Least Action Nuclear Process (LANP)

[Teslaalset]

Eric, thanks for summarizing his patent for the Vortex readers.
From patenting ethics point of view this is a very strange approach trying
to patent something, It almost looks like a quick job, dumping his mindset.
His last figure is an example of that.
He is following the track of worldwide patenting with this input however,
which doesn't come cheap. Maybe he has an investor that backs him
financially.

Axil, thanks for confirming his basics makes sense. From your previous
postings I suspected that, but it's good to see confirmation.


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 The author lives in Davis, California, which is not that far from me.
  Here is the abstract:

 This invention describes the Least Action Nuclear Process (LANP). What
 makes this process different than that occurring in LENR or cold fusion
 devises is the temperature at which the nuclear process occurs, about 10^70
 K [edited for clarity]. The process requires an element of new physics (a
 far-from-equilibrium blackbody theory), a poorly understood physical
 process (reversible thermodynamics), and a fundamental physics principle
 (Principle of Least Action) to model the electrolysis process wherein
 nuclear reactions occur. The invention can be used to understand, modify,
 enhance, calculate, or model the LANP process, or to understand, modify,
 enhance, model, design, manufacture, or operate, LANP devices, or to
 propose, study, design or apply new applications of LANP technology.


 There's an easier-to-read version of the patent here:

 http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013184082A1?cl=en

 Some interesting details to mention:

- He claims to be patenting a process (LANP), which, in his account,
appears to be a natural rather than a mechanical process.  The patent
itself seems to consist of a description of a theory about this natural
process.  If we have heard elsewhere that it is dangerous to include bits
of theory in a patent, he has bucked this wisdom and put all of his eggs in
this basket.
- He introduces a new temperature, the radiation temperature, which
I believe consists of the energy flux through a surface defined between two
fundamental particles, a back-and-forth sharing of energy he suggests
happens trillions of times a second.  The radiation temperature is
conceived as a sort of near-field temperature that does not exist beyond
the immediate environment of the particles being observed.
- He seeks to differentiate his process from LENR by claiming that
LENR is understood to occur at around 60-70 degrees celsius (in terms of
the normal thermodynamic temperature), whereas LANP occurs at 10^70 K
(radiation temperature).  The reason we think LENR (which is really LANP)
is happening at lower temperatures is that the very high (radiation)
temperature relates to an adiabatic process that has no traces outside of
the electrolytic cell.
- He seems to believe that all LENR is actually LANP, and that LANP is
a proper replacement for LENR.
- He provides a number of embodiments.  The embodiments appear to be
either descriptions of existing LENR electrolytic devices, or a series of
theoretical steps that build upon one another, or both.
- Among other things, LANP attempts to explain the lack of radioactive
byproducts by affecting selection rules.

 At a high level, I get the sense that he wants to differentiate LANP from
 LENR, while simultaneously replacing it with LANP, and then patent
 well-known LENR techniques under the new acronym.  I only skimmed the
 patent, so I might have been mistaken on this point or missed something
 interesting.

 Eric



 On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 i found a patent application that was published on December 2013 on Least
 Action Nuclear Process, claiming an alternative explanation of what most of
 us see as LENR.
 The inventor, Daniel S. Szumski, presented this theory during ICCF17 I
 believe.
 Jed posted it here at Vortex a while ago.

 Link to the patent application:

 http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WONR=2013184082A1KC=A1FT=DND=date=20131212DB=locale=en_EP

 Does anyone have an opinion on this process? Axil, Jed?

[Vo]:Patent application on Least Action Nuclear Process (LANP)

[Teslaalset]

i found a patent application that was published on December 2013 on Least
Action Nuclear Process, claiming an alternative explanation of what most of
us see as LENR.
The inventor, Daniel S. Szumski, presented this theory during ICCF17 I
believe.
Jed posted it here at Vortex a while ago.

Link to the patent application:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WONR=2013184082A1KC=A1FT=DND=date=20131212DB=locale=en_EP

Does anyone have an opinion on this process? Axil, Jed?

Re: [Vo]:Patent application on Least Action Nuclear Process (LANP)

[Teslaalset]

Yes, I have to agree on the very small chance of getting this patent
application granted.
A bit further in time this effect will be added to the set of physical
principles. Physical principles can't be patented.

Op zondag 19 januari 2014 heeft Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com het volgende
geschreven:

 The author of the patent has the basics right, but I wouldn’t think he
 could patent the process.

Re: [Vo]:New patent application from George Miley

[Teslaalset]

Seems to be a refinement on his granted application US 822720 (B1)

Re: [Vo]:ICCF-18 lecture presentation videos for Tuesday uploaded

[Teslaalset]

Thank you!

Unfortunately no recent PA's related to Nanor material.


On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  ** **

 ** **

 *From:* Teslaalset 

 ** **

 Can anyone find the Patent Applications of them which Swartz is claiming?
 

 I can't find any, using Swartz as inventor, Jet Energy or Nanortech as
 assignees.

 ** **

 ** **


 https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts#q=ininventor%3A%22Mitchell+R.+Swartz%22start=10tbm=pts
 

 ** **

Re: [Vo]:ICCF-18 lecture presentation videos for Tuesday uploaded

[Teslaalset]

Can anyone find the Patent Applications of them which Swartz is claiming?
I can't find any, using Swartz as inventor, Jet Energy or Nanortech as
assignees.



On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:02 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

 Ruby,

 Excellent work.

 I was especially surprised at how far JET Energy has taken the Nanor.
 From the ICCF-18 Entrepreneurial Efforts panel video you posted  -
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdVYvgdrabg
 - they may be one of the earliest entries into the commercial market.

 A full interview with Mitchell Swartz would be very welcome.
 Especially interesting would be his analysis of the Nanor material change
 that accompanied the large boost in energy gain after the magnetic
 stimulus.

 -- Lou Pagnucco

 Ruby wrote:
 
  Greetings,
 
  Eli has finished editing and uploading the Tuesday lecture videos that
  we have permission to make public.
 
  A Tuesday playlist is here:
  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7rx5Nfge9pdxoDJMrc7b9FAgIdMc8M3V
 
  The ColdFusionNow Youtube channel video upload page is here:
  http://www.youtube.com/user/ColdFusionNow/videos
 
  A blog post on ColdFusionNow.org is here:
 
 http://coldfusionnow.org/iccf-18-presentation-videos-for-tuesday-july-23/
 
  Monday's playlist is here:
  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7rx5Nfge9pciRw_jDdP1SYvTaf47RCux
 
  Any suggestions or comments are welcome.
 
  I think Eli is going to take care of some other stuff through the end of
  the week, and resume editing next week.
 
  Thanks for your support,
  Ruby
 
 
  --
  Ruby Carat
  r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org
  Skype ruby-carat
  www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
 
 

Re: [Vo]:Record Superconductivity Hits 42 Celsius (107F, 315K).

[Teslaalset]

He has this info already for a few years.
I just wonder why he does not have any progress on this (when true) in
terms of usable applications.
There are quite a number of people following his progress for quite some
time. I don't see any replicators being active.




On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.superconductors.org/42C_mod.htm

 *Warm Superconductors Get Hot*
 **
 The accomplishments of E. Joe Eck are ignored by main stream science.

Re: [Vo]:In defense of cracks...

[Teslaalset]

Carbonyl Nickel is Nickel produced from Nickel Carbonyl. Producing Nickel
this way, the Nickel forms 'pointy' or 'spiky' grains.

Regarding FeO3 used as a 'wedge' to open and keep open nano cracks in
Nickel: What about the fact that Nickel is expanding as soon as it forms
NickelHydride. Would that alone not be sufficient to keep the process
running?

Best,
Rob Woudenberg


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:

 The micrograph is of carbonyl Ni.  Look it up.  For example, Hunter
 Chemical AH50.  Also, Vale T255.  It is the same as what is shown in Kim's
 slides.  Carbonyl is the process - the particles are pure Ni.
 On Aug 23, 2013 3:25 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 DGT has never mentioned the use of  carbonyl. There powder is pure
 nickel. The surface of the particles are processed with a proprietary
 process to resurface the particle with a Rutile structure.

 Please show me a reference to the use of  carbonyl in this process.  In
 fact, the use of carbonyl is incompatible with  the rutile process.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes.  What is shown is a carbonyl Ni particle.  It has no nanowires.  It
 does have points, but no nanowires.  Nanowires would not be visible at the
 scale of that micrograph.
 On Aug 23, 2013 2:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you looking at slide 3, fabrication of fuels and reaction cells?

 the box of interest starts with the following...

 Modified Ni Crystal powders

 The 5 micron particle is pictured on that page. Can you see it now...


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Bob Higgins 
 rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:

 The carbony Ni particles used by DGT, as was shown in Kim's
 presentation, have NO nanowires at all.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not for the first time, with amazing generosity, DGT has provided us
 with a picture of a 5 micron nanowire coated micro-particle in their
 ICCF-18 presentation that they have originally engineered base on 
 suggested
 information derived from Rossi’s revelations.





 There must be a million nanowires coming off that fuzzy looking
 micro-particle.





 If 10 nanoparticle aggregation form on each nanowire tip and 100 hot
 spots from inside each aggregation, that drive the NAE count for each
 micro-particle up to 10 to the power of 9 hot spots per micro-particle.



 If 10,000,000 micro particles as used in the 3 grams of nickel power
 reaction activator, then the NAE count goes up to 10 to the 16 power of
 possible NAE sites in a Ni/H reactor.





 Clearly, this micro-powder covered with nanowires approach to the
 reaction has many orders of magnitude numerical superiority over the 
 crack
 regime.
















 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Edmund Storms 
 stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

 Peter, I'm simply telling you what your comments mean to me. I'm not
 thinking in your place. If I have gotten the wrong understanding from 
 what
 you have written, than you are free to tell me and to correct your 
 writings
 so that other people do not also get the wrong impression, which is 
 clearly
 the case.

 I do not think a crack is equally active along its length. I'm only
 proposing that somewhere in the gap, the fusion reaction is possible. I
 have described ALL aspects of the model. I'm only giving the broad
 requirements. Once these are accepted, you will be told more details.  I
 see no reason to waste my time if the basic claim is rejected. I would
 rather spend my time using the model to make the effect work.

 Ed
 On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:

 Dear Ed.

 I would ask you to not think in my place, I really don't like it.It
 is typical for dictatures and I had enough from it starting with :Der
 Fuhrer denkt fur uns alle and ending with Ceausescu's omniscience. I 
 have
 the right to think independently.
 Citing you:
 *you are assuming that D+Pd involves a different mechanism, a
 different NAE, and different nuclear products. *
 Clearly the products of reaction are different for Pd and Ni H
 simply because
 the reactants are different. I have NOT told that the mechanism of
 reaction
 are different.
 A question for you- a crack however beautiful is inherently very
 asymmetric
 do you think a crack nanometers broad but microns or even
 millimeters long
 is equally active along its entire lengths? Isn't it more plausible
 that inside
 this labyrinthic formation there are some even more preferential
 short areas
 where the activity is focused? And are you convinced that thse short
 areas
 are so different from a nanostructure? Couldn't be the things a bit
 more
 complicated but actually more unitary- as you otherwise also suggest?

 I think it is not possible to decide now sitting at our PC's if
 Nature uses
 only one soltion or more for creating excess energy. It is more
 useful
 to find new ways to force Nature to give us what we need and want
 

Re: [Vo]:In defense of cracks...

[Teslaalset]

Proces to produce nickel from Nickel Carbonyl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mond_process





On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 I might be wrong. The are a large amount of light elements present. You
 may be totally correct.:


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Re:

 TABLE II

 XRF ANALYSIS OF NAE5 (BEFORE A TEST RUN)

 TEST ID: 07/18/12 #25

 From the composition of the powder from the ICCF-17 DGT paper, no carbon
 is present.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, I stand corrected. I see what you mean. They must remove the
 carbon with oxygen and then the oxygen with hydrogen starting from the
 commercial powder..

 The presence of carbon will distort (increase) the curie temperature of
 the powder. Therefore, Carbon must be removed.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Bob Higgins 
 rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:

 The micrograph is of carbonyl Ni.  Look it up.  For example, Hunter
 Chemical AH50.  Also, Vale T255.  It is the same as what is shown in Kim's
 slides.  Carbonyl is the process - the particles are pure Ni.
  On Aug 23, 2013 3:25 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 DGT has never mentioned the use of  carbonyl. There powder is pure
 nickel. The surface of the particles are processed with a proprietary
 process to resurface the particle with a Rutile structure.

 Please show me a reference to the use of  carbonyl in this process.
 In fact, the use of carbonyl is incompatible with  the rutile process.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Yes.  What is shown is a carbonyl Ni particle.  It has no nanowires.
 It does have points, but no nanowires.  Nanowires would not be visible at
 the scale of that micrograph.
 On Aug 23, 2013 2:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you looking at slide 3, fabrication of fuels and reaction cells?

 the box of interest starts with the following...

 Modified Ni Crystal powders

 The 5 micron particle is pictured on that page. Can you see it now...


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Bob Higgins 
 rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:

 The carbony Ni particles used by DGT, as was shown in Kim's
 presentation, have NO nanowires at all.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote:

 Not for the first time, with amazing generosity, DGT has provided
 us with a picture of a 5 micron nanowire coated micro-particle in 
 their
 ICCF-18 presentation that they have originally engineered base on 
 suggested
 information derived from Rossi’s revelations.





 There must be a million nanowires coming off that fuzzy looking
 micro-particle.





 If 10 nanoparticle aggregation form on each nanowire tip and 100
 hot spots from inside each aggregation, that drive the NAE count for 
 each
 micro-particle up to 10 to the power of 9 hot spots per 
 micro-particle.



 If 10,000,000 micro particles as used in the 3 grams of nickel
 power reaction activator, then the NAE count goes up to 10 to the 16 
 power
 of possible NAE sites in a Ni/H reactor.





 Clearly, this micro-powder covered with nanowires approach to the
 reaction has many orders of magnitude numerical superiority over the 
 crack
 regime.
















 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Edmund Storms 
 stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

 Peter, I'm simply telling you what your comments mean to me. I'm
 not thinking in your place. If I have gotten the wrong understanding 
 from
 what you have written, than you are free to tell me and to correct 
 your
 writings so that other people do not also get the wrong impression, 
 which
 is clearly the case.

 I do not think a crack is equally active along its length. I'm
 only proposing that somewhere in the gap, the fusion reaction is 
 possible.
 I have described ALL aspects of the model. I'm only giving the broad
 requirements. Once these are accepted, you will be told more 
 details.  I
 see no reason to waste my time if the basic claim is rejected. I 
 would
 rather spend my time using the model to make the effect work.

 Ed
 On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Peter Gluck wrote:

 Dear Ed.

 I would ask you to not think in my place, I really don't like
 it.It is typical for dictatures and I had enough from it starting 
 with
 :Der Fuhrer denkt fur uns alle and ending with Ceausescu's 
 omniscience. I
 have the right to think independently.
 Citing you:
 *you are assuming that D+Pd involves a different mechanism, a
 different NAE, and different nuclear products. *
 Clearly the products of reaction are different for Pd and Ni H
 simply because
 the reactants are different. I have NOT told that the mechanism
 of reaction
 are different.
 A question for you- a crack however beautiful is inherently very
 asymmetric
 do you think a crack nanometers broad but microns or even
 millimeters long
 is equally active along its entire lengths? Isn't it more
 plausible that inside
 this 

Re: [Vo]:In defense of cracks...

[Teslaalset]

Nickel Hydride High pressure phases[edit
sourcehttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nickel_hydrideaction=editsection=2
 | 
editbetahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride?veaction=editvesection=2
]

A true crystallographically distinct phase of nickel hydride can be
produced with high pressure hydrogen gas at 600
MPa.[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride#cite_note-junjun7-3
Alternatively
it can be produced
electrolytically.[5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride#cite_note-Takano-5
The
crystal form is face centred
cubichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_centred_cubic or
β-nickel hydride. Hydrogen to nickel atomic ratios are up to one, with
hydrogen occupying an octahedral
site.[6]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride#cite_note-Travares-6
The
density of the β-hydride is 7.74 g/cm3. It is coloured
grey.[6]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride#cite_note-Travares-6
At
a current density of 1 Amp per square decimeter, in 0.5 mol/liter of
sulfuric acid and thiourea a surface layer of nickel will be converted to
nickel hydride. This surface is replete with cracks up to milimeters long.
The direction of cracking is in the {001} plane of the original nickel
crystals. The lattice constant of nickel hydride is 3.731 nm, which is 5.7%
more than that of
nickel.[5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride#cite_note-Takano-5

The near-stoichometric NiH is unstable and loses hydrogen at pressures
below 340 
MPa.[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride#cite_note-junjun7-3


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Proces to produce nickel from Nickel Carbonyl:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mond_process





 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 I might be wrong. The are a large amount of light elements present. You
 may be totally correct.:


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Re:

 TABLE II

 XRF ANALYSIS OF NAE5 (BEFORE A TEST RUN)

 TEST ID: 07/18/12 #25

 From the composition of the powder from the ICCF-17 DGT paper, no carbon
 is present.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, I stand corrected. I see what you mean. They must remove the
 carbon with oxygen and then the oxygen with hydrogen starting from the
 commercial powder..

 The presence of carbon will distort (increase) the curie temperature of
 the powder. Therefore, Carbon must be removed.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Bob Higgins 
 rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:

 The micrograph is of carbonyl Ni.  Look it up.  For example, Hunter
 Chemical AH50.  Also, Vale T255.  It is the same as what is shown in Kim's
 slides.  Carbonyl is the process - the particles are pure Ni.
  On Aug 23, 2013 3:25 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 DGT has never mentioned the use of  carbonyl. There powder is pure
 nickel. The surface of the particles are processed with a proprietary
 process to resurface the particle with a Rutile structure.

 Please show me a reference to the use of  carbonyl in this process.
 In fact, the use of carbonyl is incompatible with  the rutile process.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Bob Higgins 
 rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes.  What is shown is a carbonyl Ni particle.  It has no
 nanowires.  It does have points, but no nanowires.  Nanowires would not 
 be
 visible at the scale of that micrograph.
 On Aug 23, 2013 2:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you looking at slide 3, fabrication of fuels and reaction cells?

 the box of interest starts with the following...

 Modified Ni Crystal powders

 The 5 micron particle is pictured on that page. Can you see it
 now...


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Bob Higgins 
 rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:

 The carbony Ni particles used by DGT, as was shown in Kim's
 presentation, have NO nanowires at all.


 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote:

 Not for the first time, with amazing generosity, DGT has provided
 us with a picture of a 5 micron nanowire coated micro-particle in 
 their
 ICCF-18 presentation that they have originally engineered base on 
 suggested
 information derived from Rossi’s revelations.





 There must be a million nanowires coming off that fuzzy looking
 micro-particle.





 If 10 nanoparticle aggregation form on each nanowire tip and 100
 hot spots from inside each aggregation, that drive the NAE count for 
 each
 micro-particle up to 10 to the power of 9 hot spots per 
 micro-particle.



 If 10,000,000 micro particles as used in the 3 grams of nickel
 power reaction activator, then the NAE count goes up to 10 to the 16 
 power
 of possible NAE sites in a Ni/H reactor.





 Clearly, this micro-powder covered with nanowires approach to the
 reaction has many orders of magnitude numerical superiority over the 
 crack
 regime.
















 On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Edmund Storms 
 stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote

Re: [Vo]:Norman D. Cook @ ICCF18: Isotope shifts in LENR

[Teslaalset]

If we assume mass is converted into energy, heat in this case, then why
would transmutations go in the directions of increased mass?

If Rossi is indicating Copper and Ni62 are key ingrediences, would Copper
not be the starting point of creating Ni62 from Copper isotopic
transmutations, or the little amount of Ni62 to trigger Co into a chain of
Co isotopic tranmutations that also trigger other Ni isotopic
transmutations?

I like to understand the role of both Ni62 and Copper in Rossi's patent
applications a bit better.
Any help would be appreciated.

Re: [Vo]:Norman D. Cook @ ICCF18: Isotope shifts in LENR

[Teslaalset]

Thanks Axil, Edmund. That helps understanding. I urgently need to study
some basic quantum mechanics.

Re: [Vo]:just published -with permission- a paper about DEFKALION

[Teslaalset]

It's about time we spend a bit more time on facts and much less on all the
fuzz.
Stirring up all kind of noise does not contribute to the promotion of LENR.
Sometimes it's OK to just be silent for a while. LENR stalking is
undesired.

Re: [Vo]:High Tc Superconductivity Record Reaches 38 C

[Teslaalset]

This has been there for a number of years without a proper follow up.


Op zondag 11 augustus 2013 schreef Axil Axil (janap...@gmail.com):

 http://www.superconductors.org/38C_rec.htm

Re: [Vo]:Norman D. Cook @ ICCF18: Isotope shifts in LENR

[Teslaalset]

If there is substantial support on this approach we finally have a beter
name for this technology : FIT, Forced Isotopic Transmutation ;)

Op zaterdag 10 augustus 2013 schreef Teslaalset (robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com
):

 IInteresting analysis of LENR experiments by Norman D. Cook and Valerio
 Dallacasa, presented at ICCF 18. Shifts in isotopic percentages in LENR
 'fuels'.
 It has some interesting hooks with Rossi's claim on Ni62 being essencial
 and Defkalion menitioning that Ni61 does not participate in Ni-H LENR
 reactions.


 https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36817/SimulationNuclearTransmutationPresentation.pdf?sequence=2http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmospace%2Eumsystem%2Eedu%2Fxmlui%2Fbitstream%2Fhandle%2F10355%2F36817%2FSimulationNuclearTransmutationPresentation%2Epdf%3Fsequence%3D2urlhash=D4f0_t=tracking_anet


 Norman D. Cook is author of the book Models of the Atomic Nucleus,
 published by Springer

[Vo]:Norman D. Cook @ ICCF18: Isotope shifts in LENR

[Teslaalset]

IInteresting analysis of LENR experiments by Norman D. Cook and Valerio
Dallacasa, presented at ICCF 18. Shifts in isotopic percentages in LENR
'fuels'.
It has some interesting hooks with Rossi's claim on Ni62 being essencial
and Defkalion menitioning that Ni61 does not participate in Ni-H LENR
reactions.

https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36817/SimulationNuclearTransmutationPresentation.pdf?sequence=2http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmospace%2Eumsystem%2Eedu%2Fxmlui%2Fbitstream%2Fhandle%2F10355%2F36817%2FSimulationNuclearTransmutationPresentation%2Epdf%3Fsequence%3D2urlhash=D4f0_t=tracking_anet


Norman D. Cook is author of the book Models of the Atomic Nucleus,
published by Springer

Re: [Vo]:Let me know if you cannot access something at LENR-CANR.org

[Teslaalset]

Thanks for the efforts Jed.
I can access without problems from The Netherlands.

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

[Teslaalset]

You don't need to look any further then.
Take a heat pump and you have something to celebrate.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM, blaze spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:

 The reason is to inject reality into the conversation.

 I am thinking of a new formation of a bet.

 A generally accepted detailed description of a consistently reproducible
 experiment which can perform a COP of  2 for over 24 hours (that is total
 energy in is 1/2 of total energy out).

 By generally accepted, I'm even willing to go with super majority
 consensus of veterans on Vortex rather than the 'delusional public'.

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

[Teslaalset]

In case you're also not familiar with Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump

Heat pumps are used to provide heating because less high-grade energy is
required for their operation than appears in the released heat. Most of the
energy for heating comes from the external environment, and only a fraction
comes from electricity (or some other high-grade energy source required to
run a compressor). In electrically powered heat pumps, the heat transferred
can be three or four times larger than the electrical power consumed,
giving the system a Coefficient of Performance (COP) of 3 or 4, as opposed
to a COP of 1 of a conventional electrical resistance heater, in which all
heat is produced from input electrical energy.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yeah?  A heat pump uses LENR+?   Huh.  And here I thought it was pumping
 heat.


 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 You don't need to look any further then.
 Take a heat pump and you have something to celebrate.



 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM, blaze spinnaker 
 blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 The reason is to inject reality into the conversation.

 I am thinking of a new formation of a bet.

 A generally accepted detailed description of a consistently reproducible
 experiment which can perform a COP of  2 for over 24 hours (that is total
 energy in is 1/2 of total energy out).

 By generally accepted, I'm even willing to go with super majority
 consensus of veterans on Vortex rather than the 'delusional public'.

Re: [Vo]:Yum

[Teslaalset]

Yet another Dutch food technology ;)


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Follow-up:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23576143

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni

[Teslaalset]

You probably need a google account to allow downloading...


Op zaterdag 3 augustus 2013 schreef (torulf.gr...@bredband.net):

 I can not download this PDF.

 How das I do?



 On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:10:31 -0400, Bob Higgins 
 rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com');
 wrote:

 Greetings fellow Vorts,
  While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no
 controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so
 much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art.
 Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the
 workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the
 end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows -
 the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a
 self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am
 doing in Ni-H materials.
  At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to
 many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So
 while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not
 peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back.
  The paper is on my Google drive at:

 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing


 Please let me know if this doesn't work.
 I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on
 the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular.
  Regards, Bob Higgins